



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: kathy.floritto@sasquat.com (KATHY FLORITTO)

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 16:46:00 -0800



ST|I'm pretty sure some leaching process is necessary before acorns are fit

  |for human consumption.  Native Americans subsisted on them... should be

  |plenty of literature on their preparation.



     You're probably right, but as kids, we used to eat them (raw) 

quite often - with no ill effects.  Now that I know I should have been 

ill...I don't feel well at all. :)



Kathy



 * 1st 2.00 #3640 * Kathy.Floritto@Sasquat.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: John Houghton <JOHN@hough.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 00:53:13 GMT



In article: <4427qq$edg@alpha.sky.net>  Starminr@sky.net (Starminer) 

writes:

> 

> Dumb question #1:

> 

> My oak tree is putting out tons of acorns this year.  Are they edible? 

> 

: I remember seeing a program on TV. called "Beyond 2000" on the 

:Discovery channel, It`s about new scientific discoveries & inovations.

:The article was from South Korea about tannin from acorns having the 

:ability to bond with heavy metals and so make their removal easy.

:This was discoverd by a medical researcher who noticed unusually low 

:heavy metal counts in rural peasants;On further investigation into 

:their life style he could find no reason for this apart from one item 

:in their diet,this was a pancake like bread made from acorns which was 

:considered a delicasy & had been eaten for thousands of years.

:(I cant remember the name of the pancake which had a ritualized form of 

:production).

:Because Korea is fully committed to nuclear power and concerned about 

:waste products they are now using acorn filters on coolant waters which 

:make reclaimation of dangerous isotopes easy.

:It works well with all sorts of other metals, zinc,cadnium,mercury ect.

:

:I would like to follow this up but dont know any boards in Korea.

:Any suggestions. :-)

-- 

John Houghton.

john@hough.demon.co.uk





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: <tnc@acpub.duke.edu>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 19:19:33 GMT



I have often heard, from reliable sources, that acorns definitely are 

edible, if you boil them repeatedly and discard the water, until the 

water is clear -- no more of the bitter-tasting tannic acid!



I have yet to try this out, though!



TC





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 16:19:25 -0700



tnc@acpub.duke.edu wrote:



: I have often heard, from reliable sources, that acorns definitely are 

: edible, if you boil them repeatedly and discard the water, until the 

: water is clear -- no more of the bitter-tasting tannic acid!



: I have yet to try this out, though!



: TC



I have attempted to leach acorn tannin in order to eat them, and I'll

tell you, what little I was able to eat was good (kinda like chestnuts)

but the stuff with the tannin still in them was nasty!



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: Levi0052@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chuck Levine)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 00:03:46 GMT



Although a few White Oaks have acorns sweet enough to be eaten raw or

roasted, most oaks have extreamly bitter acorns. Happily the

bitterness is due to an abundance of tannin which is readily solubule

in water. Whole kernals, stripped of thier shells and boiled in

repeated changes of water untill the water no longer turns brown, can

be roasted and eaten as nuts or dipped in sugar and eaten as candy.

Dried and crushed acorns can be placed in pourus bags and put through

the same boiling process to remove the tannins. They can be redried,

ground into meal, and used to make excellent breads and muffins. Rich

in protien and fat.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 09:57:57 -0700



Chuck Levine (Levi0052@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:

: Although a few White Oaks have acorns sweet enough to be eaten raw or

: roasted, most oaks have extreamly bitter acorns. Happily the

: bitterness is due to an abundance of tannin which is readily solubule

: in water. Whole kernals, stripped of thier shells and boiled in

: repeated changes of water untill the water no longer turns brown, can

: be roasted and eaten as nuts or dipped in sugar and eaten as candy.

: Dried and crushed acorns can be placed in pourus bags and put through

: the same boiling process to remove the tannins. They can be redried,

: ground into meal, and used to make excellent breads and muffins. Rich

: in protien and fat.



This is taken verbatim from _Peterson Field Guides: Edible Wild Plants_.

Please identify your sources in the future (plagarists are never appreciated).



-Jen Jakiel 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: ask@wonder.net  (BBWB)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:38:34 GMT



jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel) wrote:



....Yes!!

Anytime one visits old missions throughout California, invariably part

of the exhibits include either relics that the various tribes of

California Indians used to grind the acorns into meal.  The meal was

then used to make tortillias and cooked in stone ovens.



Catherine 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: teachv@netaxis.com (Vincent Teachout)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 23:21:00 -0400



I have several back to nature, old ways and survival type books and they 

are all unanimous in saying that you can eat acorns, but that you need to 

soak them in several changes of water to get the bitter tannin out first.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS?

From: foreswtvp@sirius.com (Forest Harlan)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:40:02 -0800



In article <45fd6s$fr1@davinci.netaxis.com>, teachv@netaxis.com (Vincent

Teachout) wrote:



> I have several back to nature, old ways and survival type books and they 

> are all unanimous in saying that you can eat acorns, but that you need to 

> soak them in several changes of water to get the bitter tannin out first.



There is an excellent post further up the ladder in this newsgroup that

gives an excellent description of how to process acorns for eating.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: menopause....sugesstions..??

From: weiss@u.arizona.edu

Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:47:51 GMT



-- 

----------------------

Esta M Weiss..:)

weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menopause....sugesstions..??

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 01:55:18 GMT



Well I'm not sure what exactly your question is but here goes. Some of the

most common symtoms are hot flashes, insomnia, mood swings and vaginal

dryness. All of which can be addressed with herbs and/or diet and

exercise. I'd recommend Susan Lark's book on Menopause as one of the many

good books out there on the subject. 



The most important thing of all is a good diet. (Reduce caffeine, alcohol

and sugar immediately) Then an appropriate exercise or yoga progam works

wonders.It seems to me that only when these changes don't go far enough is

it time to add medicinal herbs. That said herbs that help to regulate the

hormone levels are good (wild yam, vitex, dong quai,etc) and also herbs,

teas and foods high in calcium (spinach, kale, kombacha, chamomile) are

good for preventing osteoporosis.



Hope this is a good start



Julia



In article <44kofn$cli@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, weiss@u.arizona.edu wrote:



> -- 

> ----------------------

> Esta M Weiss..:)

> weiss@U.Arizona.EDU

> http://u.arizona.edu/~weiss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice....can anyone tell me about it?

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:27 -0700



be velly velly careful...licorice in ANY form is dangerous to ppl who have

troubles with high blood pressure.



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice....can anyone tell me about it?

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:28 -0700



licorice in all of its forms can be highly dangerous to those ppl who

experience travails with high blood pressure.



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice....can anyone tell me about it?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 02 Oct 1995 01:45:09 GMT



In message ID <9509301847.0QEC900@someherb.com> on 9/30/95, poppy@someherb.com

wrote:



: licorice in all of its forms can be highly dangerous to those ppl who

: experience travails with high blood pressure.



Poppy, much as I like your name, you are making a habit of wild assertions.

Licorice is NOT highly dangerous. In fact, there are next to NO records of

any problems with licorice root, except as an extract.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice....can anyone tell me about it?

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 08:33:58 GMT



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

>

> In message ID <9509301847.0QEC900@someherb.com> on 9/30/95, poppy@someherb.com

> wrote:

> 

> : licorice in all of its forms can be highly dangerous to those ppl who

> : experience travails with high blood pressure.

> 

> Poppy, much as I like your name, you are making a habit of wild assertions.

> Licorice is NOT highly dangerous. In fact, there are next to NO records of

> any problems with licorice root, except as an extract.

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

Licorice is a very safe herb. Very  high doses (silly amounts of tincture)

can cause some problems  in some people with sodium balance and BP.

In Australia some years ago there was a reported case of

Licorice poisioning. A lady was admitted to hospital.

The govt. medical watchdogs freaked and wanted to ban licorice.

It turned out the lady was eating 2-3 kilo (6lb) of licorice the lolly aday!!

This was made from synthetic anise flavour, colour, sugar etc but in fact contai

ned no licorice the herb!

Michael Bailes. 

 The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772  Telep

hone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322  E-Mail: frgntgar@ozemail

.com.au



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice....can anyone tell me about it?

From: Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com

Date: 05 Oct 1995 05:24:24 PST



The action of Licorice is like that of the hormone ACTH,

causing retention of sodium and potassium and a rise in blood pressure.

Although the plant contians asparagine which acts to counter this

tendancy, aviod ;icorice of you have high blood pressure or kidney

diseasepr are pregnant. Avoid prolong use of long doses.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:27 -0700



if you love your animals and are willing to put out some bread...tell your vet

you want your cats (and dogs) on "the program" by ciba.  it won't do anything

to adult fleas, but it works, internally, so when the adult fleas lay eggs, the

baby fleas have been "dismantled" genetically so they are born w/out claws and

thus cannot break out of the egg sacs.

 

as for the adults, i have found by blending raw garlic and pennyroyal together

in an oil (i use canola oil) base and spraying it on the furniture, carpeting,

drapes and around each door and window, i have so severely cut down the adult

population of fleas that i have almost won the war.  now...if only my cats and

dogs were not creatures of the great out-

doors...then i'd never have fleas again; alas! they go where they want.



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:32 -0700



try 7 medium sized FRESH garlic cloves, 2 cups of pennyroyal leaves in a food

processor...then mix with 1 cup oil (i use canola)..leave the mixture in a cool

darkish corner for a day, then strain the garlic and pennyroyal out, put the

oil into a spray bottle and with fine mist, spray carpet, drapes, furniture,

around all doors and windows.  AND THEN, goto your vet and tell her you want

all your animals to be on "the program" by ciba. 

 "the program" is an application given orally which prohibits baby fleas from

breaking out of the eggs by genetically changing their bodies.  

 

with these two things, you should be able to rid your house and life from

fleas.  though, do note that "the program" is ongoing thru the year, and the

garlic/pennyroyal treatment should be done quarterly if your animals are

allowed to go outside.



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:25:06 MST



In article <9509301847.0QEE600@someherb.com> poppy@someherb.com writes:

>From: poppy@someherb.com

>Subject: Re: Flea problem

>Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:32 -0700



>try 7 medium sized FRESH garlic cloves, 2 cups of pennyroyal leaves in a food

>processor...then mix with 1 cup oil (i use canola)..leave the mixture in a cool

>darkish corner for a day, then strain the garlic and pennyroyal out, put the

>oil into a spray bottle and with fine mist, spray carpet, drapes, furniture,

>around all doors and windows.  AND THEN, goto your vet and tell her you want

>all your animals to be on "the program" by ciba. 

> "the program" is an application given orally which prohibits baby fleas from

>breaking out of the eggs by genetically changing their bodies.  



Call me crazy, but I could never bring myself to spray my valuable

carpets and furniture, antiques, etc. with garlic and oil.

I mean wood polish is one thing, but oil on upholstery

and drapes??  Talk about a dirt magnet!  There's gotta be a better 

way.                    -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

Date: 2 Oct 1995 00:25:19 GMT



ets and furniture, antiques, etc. with garlic and oil.

>I mean wood polish is one thing, but oil on upholstery

>and drapes??  Talk about a dirt magnet!  There's gotta be a better 

>way.                   -DDR

***********************************************************************

******************I live in San Diego, with one male human(hairy,) and

2 medium haired black cats who had 2 kittens together over the spring.

When those kittens came....so did the fleas! For some reason, the

kittens drew lots & lots of fleas. My cats stay indoors only...but it's

the humans whom the are carriers of fleas,atleast in S.D...they'll jump

on you when you're at the park. I bathed my cats everyday, put flea

collars on them...everything...nothing worked esp. on the kittens. When

I gave away the kittens, the problem only grew worse. Now I have no

fleas in my place....what did it? A flea comb. They're sold at the pet

stores for $6, and are tiny combs with metal bristles.I took my cats in

the bathroom every day, and sat on the toilet & COMBED those fleas out

& flushed 'em down the toilet.The flea comb, most importantly, catches

flea eggs really well...without eggs, there are no babies!My place is

filthy, I admit it....but I have no fleas!!   nella@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:30:20 MST



In article <44nbhf$hjs@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Gar

ner ) writes:

>From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

>Subject: Re: Flea problem

>Date: 2 Oct 1995 00:25:19 GMT



what did it? A flea comb. They're sold at the pet

>stores for $6, and are tiny combs with metal bristles.I took my cats in

>the bathroom every day, and sat on the toilet & COMBED those fleas out

>& flushed 'em down the toilet.The flea comb, most importantly, catches

>flea eggs really well...without eggs, there are no babies!My place is

>filthy, I admit it....but I have no fleas!!   nella@ix.netcom.com



Good suggestion Angela.  I'll try it.           -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: seacher@ix.netcom.com (James)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:54:34 GMT



I was wondering if any one would be kind enough to explain how you

"wash" your cat(s) - using what? Gloves? etc.?



=======================================================================

In <picabia.130.00060479@picabia.seanet.com> picabia@picabia.seanet.com

(||{o}||) writes: 

>

>In article <44nbhf$hjs@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nella@ix.netcom.com

(Angela L. Garner ) writes:

>>From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

>>Subject: Re: Flea problem

>>Date: 2 Oct 1995 00:25:19 GMT

>

>what did it? A flea comb. They're sold at the pet

>>stores for $6, and are tiny combs with metal bristles.I took my cats

in

>>the bathroom every day, and sat on the toilet & COMBED those fleas

out

>>& flushed 'em down the toilet.The flea comb, most importantly,

catches

>>flea eggs really well...without eggs, there are no babies!My place is

>>filthy, I admit it....but I have no fleas!!   nella@ix.netcom.com

>

>

>Good suggestion Angela.  I'll try it.          -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 21:32:16 GMT



In article <458s7q$jlb@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

   seacher@ix.netcom.com (James) wrote:

>I was wondering if any one would be kind enough to explain how you

>"wash" your cat(s) - using what? Gloves? etc.?

Full body armor like bomb-squad disposal units use  :)

  Actually, just take the cat into the bathroom where you have

several inches of warm water already in the tub, and a couple

of plastic containers - one with diluted shampoo and a couple

of towels and another person.

SHUT THE DOOR!

Place cat in tub, holding firmly by scruff of neck.

Another person does this:

Dip warm water and pour over cat, avoiding head and ears.

Pour shampoo dilution over cat and lather well.

Pour more water over to rinse.

Lift dripping squalling cat out onto towel and wrap and blot

excess water.  Use second towel to get rest (cats don't shake

the exces slike dogs do)

Keep cat in warm dry place while they lick themselves dry.



Have neighbor take you to ER for stitches and transfusions.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: linh@cv.hp.com (linh tu)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 22:06:23 GMT



: SHUT THE DOOR!

: Place cat in tub, holding firmly by scruff of neck.

: Another person does this:

: Dip warm water and pour over cat, avoiding head and ears.

: Pour shampoo dilution over cat and lather well.

: Pour more water over to rinse.

: Lift dripping squalling cat out onto towel and wrap and blot

: excess water.  Use second towel to get rest (cats don't shake

: the exces slike dogs do)

: Keep cat in warm dry place while they lick themselves dry.

: Have neighbor take you to ER for stitches and transfusions.

: Callie



    i live with 4 cats and that is a very accurate description of

    what it takes to either bathe them or dip them in a poisonous

    solution of some sort . truth is : it takes 2 persons to 

    wash a cat and if you are single and if you have 4 unwilling

    customers , it could be a long afternoon :)



    anyway , i have used borax on rugs with good success before .

    sprinkle the stuff on the carpet and all suspect areas ; wait

    a couple hrs or so then vacuum lightly . repeat once a week for

    a few weeks .  it worked for me ; i can't say that all fleas

    were gone but i hardly get any bite , may be once a week .

    since i hate using chemical poison , it was a satisfactory

    solution for me . when i bought my house 2 yrs ago, hardwood

    floor was a sine qua non condition for me and i don't have

    any flea problem anymore .





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: igloo@gate.net

Date: 13 Oct 1995 23:49:46 GMT



>   linh@cv.hp.com (linh tu) writes:  

>      anyway , i have used borax on rugs with good success before .

>      sprinkle the stuff on the carpet and all suspect areas ; wait

>      a couple hrs or so then vacuum lightly . repeat once a week for

>      a few weeks .  it worked for me ; i can't say that all fleas

>      were gone but i hardly get any bite , may be once a week .

>      since i hate using chemical poison , it was a satisfactory

>      solution for me 



        If you don't think Borax is a poison, then sprinkle some on your cheerios and s

ee what 

happens.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:01:15 GMT



James (seacher@ix.netcom.com) writes:

> I was wondering if any one would be kind enough to explain how you

> "wash" your cat(s) - using what? Gloves? etc.?



I wash my cat in the tub with soap and water.  In general she doesn't mind

the water (she does get a little afraid when I put her in but I try to

keep the water level only a couple of inches deep to help relieve

anxiety.)  Then I rinse her and wrap her in a big fluffy towel and rub her

dry (as much as I can) and brush her fur out a bit (if she'll let me). 

Sheusally 'recovers' from a bath by straightening out all of her fur with a

 bath of her own.  (I think that is the part she doesn't like - all the

cleaning she has to do to get her fur just right afterwards.)



Carlene



PS - My cat does like wate, and will sit on the edge of the tub while I bathe.



--

"I'm thinking of the immortal words of Socrates who said...  

       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: seacher@ix.netcom.com (James)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:47:05 GMT



We use brewers yeast tablets ... go slow ... to much really has the

animals going, going and going ....

================================================================



In <44nbhf$hjs@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L.

Garner ) writes: 

>

>ets and furniture, antiques, etc. with garlic and oil.

>>I mean wood polish is one thing, but oil on upholstery

>>and drapes??  Talk about a dirt magnet!  There's gotta be a better 

>>way.                  -DDR

>**********************************************************************



>******************I live in San Diego, with one male human(hairy,) and

>2 medium haired black cats who had 2 kittens together over the spring.

>When those kittens came....so did the fleas! For some reason, the

>kittens drew lots & lots of fleas. My cats stay indoors only...but

it's

>the humans whom the are carriers of fleas,atleast in S.D...they'll

jump

>on you when you're at the park. I bathed my cats everyday, put flea

>collars on them...everything...nothing worked esp. on the kittens.

When

>I gave away the kittens, the problem only grew worse. Now I have no

>fleas in my place....what did it? A flea comb. They're sold at the pet

>stores for $6, and are tiny combs with metal bristles.I took my cats

in

>the bathroom every day, and sat on the toilet & COMBED those fleas out

>& flushed 'em down the toilet.The flea comb, most importantly, catches

>flea eggs really well...without eggs, there are no babies!My place is

>filthy, I admit it....but I have no fleas!!   nella@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: Buz Overbeck <tlc@metronet.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:58:11 GMT



Please share it with the list.



sartek <sartek@gramercy.ios.com> wrote:

>My dog and cats used to be miserable with fleas, and I spent many an 

>evening picking fleas off my Doberman. My vet shared a very effective way 

>to flea proof my home, and for the past 6 years I haven't had a flea 

>anywhere. It is a bit of work, but well worth it. If you wish detailed 

>instructions, I will be happy to share them. 

>Sartek@gramercy.ios.com

>



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: jessicar@blarg.net

Date: 5 Oct 1995 22:46:36 GMT



In <DFMsK0.E2H@freenet.carleton.ca>, bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette

) writes:

>

>ap Dafydd (ae3clegg@Swansea.ac.uk) writes:

>> Can anyone help?

>> 

>> I have 9 cats and a dog and they have fleas. The fleas are resistant to 

>> flea collars and the flea sprays I've had from the vet. 

>> 

>> Are there any herbs or combinations thereof which I could use to deal

>> with the problem.

>> 

>> All of them go out so it would need to be something ongoing.

>> 

>> Itch, itch, itch...

>> 

>> Ffred

>> .

>> 



I've heard that Tea Tree Cream is an antiseptic (sp?) and also repels

fleas.  I have yet to try that out though.  If your interested let me know

and I'll post/send the address of a company that makes products for

animals with the Tea Tree stuff in it.  One of my neighbors swears by B

vitamin tablets for animals, which makes sense because the fleas don't

like the taste of blood that has the right amount of B vitamins (at least

from what I've read).  That's the next one I'm going to try.  If you live in

a low humidity area and there isn't much moisture in the air (redundent) try

salting your carpet.  This will dehydrate the fleas and kill them within a

month.  That worked well when I had seven cats and two large dogs.



Jessica

_________________________________

Jessica Rabbit, The Next Generation:



I'm not bad, I just type that way.

_________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: stuart@choice.equinox.gen.nz

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 11:39:00 +12



 -=> Quoting Ep Rn to All <=-



 ER> Internet: eprn@aol.com



 ER> In article <44fttd$2jl@news.ios.com>, sartek <sartek@gramercy.ios.com>

 ER> writes:



 >My dog and cats used to be miserable with fleas, and I spent many an

 >evening picking fleas off my Doberman. My vet shared a very effective way



 >to flea proof my home, and for the past 6 years I haven't had a flea

 >anywhere. It is a bit of work, but well worth it. If you wish detailed

 >instructions, I will be happy to share them.

 >Sartek@gramercy.ios.com

 >

 >



 ER> Yes, please share with all of us.



 ER> Elizabeth Powell



Yea come on don't be a tease



Stuart Nz

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: stuart@choice.equinox.gen.nz

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 95 11:39:00 +12



 -=> Quoting Ep Rn to All <=-



 ER> Internet: eprn@aol.com



 ER> In article <44fttd$2jl@news.ios.com>, sartek <sartek@gramercy.ios.com>

 ER> writes:



 >My dog and cats used to be miserable with fleas, and I spent many an

 >evening picking fleas off my Doberman. My vet shared a very effective way



 >to flea proof my home, and for the past 6 years I haven't had a flea

 >anywhere. It is a bit of work, but well worth it. If you wish detailed

 >instructions, I will be happy to share them.

 >Sartek@gramercy.ios.com

 >

 >



 ER> Yes, please share with all of us.



 ER> Elizabeth Powell



Yea come on don't be a tease



Stuart Nz

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: dckinsn@whale.st.usm.edu (Karen Lynn Dickinson)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 16:13:13 GMT



stuart@choice.equinox.gen.nz wrote:

:  -=> Quoting Ep Rn to All <=-



:  ER> Internet: eprn@aol.com



:  ER> In article <44fttd$2jl@news.ios.com>, sartek <sartek@gramercy.ios.com>

:  ER> writes:



:  >My dog and cats used to be miserable with fleas, and I spent many an

:  >evening picking fleas off my Doberman. My vet shared a very effective way



:  >to flea proof my home, and for the past 6 years I haven't had a flea

:  >anywhere. It is a bit of work, but well worth it. If you wish detailed

:  >instructions, I will be happy to share them.

:  >Sartek@gramercy.ios.com

:  >

:  >



:  ER> Yes, please share with all of us.



:  ER> Elizabeth Powell



: Yea come on don't be a tease



: Stuart Nz

: ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12



FWIW, I've used essential oil of eucalyptus to keep fleas out of my house.

 Fleas can't stand it!  Also, if you put a drop on the flea comb, it stuns

the fleas on your pet (an doesn't harm him/her) so you can pick them off

easily.  Friends have told me that a barrier planting of pennyroyal around

the house works well, too.  



--Karen

******************************************************************************

Be what you is, 'cause if you be what you ain't, then you ain't what you is!

******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem

From: joseph.davis@grape.net (Joseph Davis)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:33:00 -0700



i >Message-ID: <45mtuq$q2u@news.gate.net>

i >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

i >Organization: CyberGate



>   linh@cv.hp.com (linh tu) writes:  

>      anyway , i have used borax on rugs with good success before .

>      sprinkle the stuff on the carpet and all suspect areas ; wait

>      a couple hrs or so then vacuum lightly . repeat once a week for

>      a few weeks .  it worked for me ; i can't say that all fleas

>      were gone but i hardly get any bite , may be once a week .

>      since i hate using chemical poison , it was a satisfactory

>      solution for me 



i > If you don't think Borax is a poison, then sprinkle some on your cheer

i >see what 

i >happens.



You are so right.  It has an LD-50 of 2250.  And it is a pesticide of 

choice for may pest management spec.



Good Luck



Joe



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 18:47:28 -0700



for the best selection of passiflora i've ever seen...in plant form, try

logee's greenhouses, 141 north street, danielson, CT 06239



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower

From: thartman@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Nudge Nudge)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 01:59:16 GMT



 8=> In Brazil people drink the fruit called maracuja.  People drink it as a

 8=> "calmante" or to have a calming effect, or to calm down their hyper

 8=> children. It is really a delicious fruit and is known here as passion

 8=> fruit.  Although I have never had a passion fruit (imported) that was as

 8=> delicious as in Brazil.



I think this might be a differnt species of passiflora.  there are a 

number of them.  The only one that grows WELL in temperate climates is 

passiflora incarnata.  It has purplish petals on the flowers.  I believe 

its fruit is yellow (and edible) when ripe, although I've never actually 

seen the fruit ripe.  In a CRC book by Dr. James Duke (I can't remember 

the title (something about herbs or medicinal herbs or something along 

those lines), but it's in the latest edition of "Books in Print") among the 

constituents of the fruit of p. incarnata are:  harman, harmol, harmalol, 

harmine, harmaline (also in Syrian Rue or Peganum Harmala), and 

passiflorine.  It said that passiflorine was some sort of narcotic with 

sedative effects (paraphrasing).  I don't know if all the species have 

similar constituents.  



I've found some p. incarnata growing in a nearby ditch and was wondering 

if anybody knew anything about the proper time to harvest it.  I know 

it's a perennial and I read in a book about herbs that one should harvest 

the leaves before the plant goes dormant for the winter.  Unfortunately, 

it didn't give any details, and not wanting to kill the plant, I don't 

want to take the leaves off early.  Nor do I want to wait until the frost 

gets them (unless this won't affect the herbal/medicinal properties of 

them).  Can anybody post/e-mail some info about harvesting 

passionflower?  thanks.



ed.



--



                       Ask me about penis envy!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower

From: MDQS25A@prodigy.com (Veronica Kattnig)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:25:39 GMT



>thartman@saucer.cc.umr.edu (Nudge Nudge) wrote:  (about passion flower 

but then.......)



>Ask me about penis envy!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh no, please don't!!!  Not on this newsgroup too!!!!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower

From: Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com

Date: 04 Oct 1995 10:07:21 PST



Hi :)



When ever u get the seed of this Passion Fruit Plant please send them

off to the address



Sharon McCreery

3011 Riverview Dr.

Kalamazoo, Michigan. 49004



I s anyony else up for herb and exotic seed trading :) please lemme

know!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower

From: robins49@pilot.msu.edu (ROSE)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 18:38:26 GMT



Hi sharon,



I would like to exchange herbs, seeds, and ideas, esp since we both 

live in Michigan.  What seeds did you need? joyce

In article <92414@259.chatlink.com>, Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com 

says...

>

>Hi :)

>

>When ever u get the seed of this Passion Fruit Plant please send them

>off to the address

>

>Sharon McCreery

>3011 Riverview Dr.

>Kalamazoo, Michigan. 49004

>

>I s anyony else up for herb and exotic seed trading :) please lemme

>know!!

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I am making a GINGKO TINCTURE

From: rwtwtch@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 30 Sep 95 22:06:59 -0500



 

I picked a tree just before the color change,then placed

.

The questions are

Is the solution to strong?

How long?

Any side effects?

The mix is half gallon herb to gallon alcohol.

Suggestions?

Comments?

THANX





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: rwtwtch@delphi.com

Subject: Re: I am making a GINGKO TINCTURE

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 17:02:37 GMT



rwtwtch@delphi.com wrote:

> 

>I picked a tree just before the color change,then placed

>.

>The questions are

>Is the solution to strong?

>How long?

>Any side effects?

>The mix is half gallon herb to gallon alcohol.

>Suggestions?

>Comments?

>THANX



PLEASE be careful when making a homemade Ginkgo tincture!  

Ginkgo leaves contain varying amounts of Ginkgolic Acid 

which has showns varying degrees of toxicity to animals and 

humans. At the very least, it will cause a skin 

hpersensitivity reaction much like posion ivy. In Europe, 

where most of the ginkgo extract is made and used,  the 

amount of Ginkoglic Acid is regulated to be no more than 10 

parts per million.



Take care and be careful,



Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant source for Lithium

From: baugher@ix.netcom.com (Gen Baugher)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 03:09:28 GMT



In <44j29c$ba9@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> sbharris@ix.netcom.com (Steven B.

Harris ) writes: 

>

>In <44iovc$npi@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> baugher@ix.netcom.com (Gen

>Baugher) writes: 

>>

>>Lithium is a natural ingredient in some mineral waters.  Calistoga

>>water from California contains some, but the highest source is 

>>in the mineral water available from a spring in Lithia Springs,

>>Georgia.  

>>

>>The amount of lithium in this water varies and is hard to measure but



>>16 glasses of this water contains approximately the same amount of

>>lithium as one pill.  Obviously, you can't take the usual near toxic

>>dose of lithium by drinking mineral water.  And no, it has never been

>>tested in a double blind study, so your doctor would probably never

>>approve of taking lithium this way.  The water from Lithia Springs 

>>also contains rubidium, sodium and potassium and other minerals which

>>might have some influence on how it works to cure mental illness.

>>And yes, I know mental illness is self-limiting, so anyone who thinks

>>they were cured by this water is obviously mistaken.  

>

>

>   You're wrong, of course.  Lower doses of lithium than are in the

>pills HAVE been tested on manic depression, and they don't work very

>well.  But if you think you're extremely sensitive to lithium, you can

>surely work with your doc to take a fraction of a pill, rather than

>drink a quart of expensive mineral water shipped in from another

state.

>

>   And don't put words in my mouth.  Mental illness is a big ball of

>worms, and generalizations about "it" being "self-limiting" or not,

are

>clearly silly.  Some mental illness is, some isn't.

>

>                                           Steve Harris, M.D.



The difference between taking a fraction of a lithium pill and

drinking mineral water is the same as the difference between taking

a Vitamin B1 pill and eating brown rice.  The other minerals in the

mineral water have some effect, just as the other B vitamins in 

brown rice have some effect.  This is the basic difference between

alternative medicine and orthodox medicine.  And yes I knew I was 

"wrong, of course" when I posted.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant source for Lithium

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com (Steven B. Harris )

Date: 1 Oct 1995 03:38:57 GMT



In <44l0p8$87i@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> baugher@ix.netcom.com (Gen

Baugher) writes: 

The difference between taking a fraction of a lithium pill and

>drinking mineral water is the same as the difference between taking

>a Vitamin B1 pill and eating brown rice.  The other minerals in the

>mineral water have some effect, just as the other B vitamins in 

>brown rice have some effect.  This is the basic difference between

>alternative medicine and orthodox medicine.  And yes I knew I was 

>"wrong, of course" when I posted.  



   Yes, but you can't just claim some effect for some specific mixture

or patent medicine or magic mineral water, without foundation or proof.

 Alternative medicine seems to think this is fine.  THAT'S the real

difference between science and nonsense, not the number of ingredients

in the recipe.



                                         Steve Harris, M.D.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant source for Lithium

From: baugher@ix.netcom.com (Gen Baugher)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 04:00:58 GMT



In <44l2gh$m67@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> sbharris@ix.netcom.com (Steven B.

Harris ) writes: 

>

>In <44l0p8$87i@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> baugher@ix.netcom.com (Gen

>Baugher) writes: 

>The difference between taking a fraction of a lithium pill and

>>drinking mineral water is the same as the difference between taking

>>a Vitamin B1 pill and eating brown rice.  The other minerals in the

>>mineral water have some effect, just as the other B vitamins in 

>>brown rice have some effect.  This is the basic difference between

>>alternative medicine and orthodox medicine.  And yes I knew I was 

>>"wrong, of course" when I posted.  

>

>

>   Yes, but you can't just claim some effect for some specific mixture

>or patent medicine or magic mineral water, without foundation or

proof.

> Alternative medicine seems to think this is fine.  THAT'S the real

>difference between science and nonsense, not the number of ingredients

>in the recipe.

>

>                                         Steve Harris, M.D.



You missed the point I was trying to make.  Mineral water is 

natural.  It is the type of treatment that human beings used for

35 million years before the concept of medicine was invented.

Even when modern medicine was invented, doctors didn't have drugs

and double blind studies, but relied instead on natural things

like herbs, foods, mineral water, etc.  The mineral water at

Lithia Springs, Georgia was used by the Indians for centuries

for mental illness.  In the late 1800s there was a large spa there and

people came from all over the world to drink this water.  There

are other lithia springs in Europe that were used in Roman times

by people who were mentally ill.  The difference between 

science and "nonsense" is that nonsense relies on 3,000 years of

anecdotal evidence rather than one so-called controlled study

which is not controlled at all because there are too many factors

which can mess up the results.  The 3,000 years of anecdotal 

evidence is made up of thousands of one-rat experiments, each of

which makes up one data point in a vast experiment.  Science

doesn't accept this.  But remember people are reading these 

newsgroups because they are interested in treating themselves

using "nonsense".  If they wanted science, they would call you

for an appointment, Dr. Harris.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Plant source for Lithium

From: Chuck <cci.ltd@internetmci.com>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 00:30:00 GMT



Steve Harris, M.D. really knows his stuff doesn't he!



Make me wonder why his science has such a low diagnosis rate.



Don't freak doc, I have no doubt you are good and help many peopel

and do hope you will continue to do so.



Doc, for your own sake, NEVER say it ain't true, you are a physical scientist

you don't know it all.  Perhaps we would be a bit more 

interested if you said maybe or that could provide an 

interesting trail of rersearch.   Check it out doc, the space guys, you know 

the astronomy, physicists,  said the big bang is it!!!!



It ain't!!!!   good day y'all  :-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

Date: 30 Sep 1995 23:45:04 -0400



Guarana is a stimulant found in a plant in the Amazon Jungle.  In Brazil,

they have made a national soft drink out of it that is very popular.  In

the Amazon they drink guarana unprocessed and mixed with honey.   They

consider it an all around health tonic and also for energy.  I have taken

the powder mixed in fruit juice etc.  but it does have a very stimulating

effect and can make you feel like you have had too much coffee.  People in

the Amazon say it can help you lose weight as well.

If you go to Brazil you will find alot of guarana in all forms all over

the place.

Jsananda@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: amsler@nevada.edu (JOHN AMSLER)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 17:11:01 GMT



Clemens Bergenhenegouwen (clemensb@pi.net) wrote:

: Has anybody any idea of what guarana is ?

: Are there any articles of it?



: Thanks

: _________________________

: Clemens Bergenhenegouwen         

: email: clemensb@pi.net

: The Hague / Holland

: _________________________



Hi, Clemens:



I forgot where I got this, but here's a snippet on guarana:



HERB           : Guarana 

BOTANICAL NAME : Paullinia Cupana 

SYNONYMS       : Panela Supana, uabano. 

LOCALES FOUND  : South America, Brazil & Venezuela 

  

Primarily this herb is a stimulant.  It quickens your perceptions 

and wakefulness,  slows the pulse,  impairs the appetite, and can 

be used to allow for long drives,  extended work hours, endurance 

based atheletics, and delaying sleep. 

  

CAUTION: Long term use of Guarana alters the blood  sugar,  which 

         can  cause nervousness,  insomnia and  possible  psychic 

         habituation.   Use  vitamin B supplements to  counteract 

         this possibility. 

  

To  prepare,  powder  guarana seed with a mortar  and  pestle  or 

coffee  grinder.   Prepared like coffee the grounds can  be  used 

several times.  Two nuts are recommended per cup.  The powder can 

also  be placed inside of medical capsules,  useful if you  don't 

like the taste.



I read that the active ingredient in guarana is something called 

"guaranine" which has a molecular structure similar to that of

caffeine but sufficiently different that it doesn't manifest the

side effects of caffeine, e.g., diuresis, gastrointestinal 

irritability, etc.  The South American Indians in Brazil and Uruguay

used it long ago to help relieve the physical and mental fatigue 

from which they suffered from doing their agricultural work under

the blazing sun down there.  



It's a main ingredient in a lot of "energy" and "pep" pills and 

capsules sold over-the-counter in the United States.  I've tried it

myself and it definitely acts as a stimulant, though not to an 

excess.



- John J. Amsler

  "MeeeeeeOWW!  SPLAT!"  "Woof!  WoofffOWWWW!  SPLAT!"

  (Raining cats and dogs)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:28:06 GMT



In article <44mi35$1fb@news.nevada.edu>, JOHN AMSLER <amsler@nevada.edu> wrote:

>I read that the active ingredient in guarana is something called 

>"guaranine" which has a molecular structure similar to that of

>caffeine but sufficiently different that it doesn't manifest the

>side effects of caffeine, e.g., diuresis, gastrointestinal 

>irritability, etc.



Guaranine is just an obscure name for caffeine; it is not a different

chemical entity.  Guarana contains caffeine.

-- 

Steve Dyer

dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: stuv@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Stuart Vernon")

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:02:27 GMT



John J. Amsler writes:



> CAUTION: Long term use of Guarana alters the blood  sugar,  which 

>         can  cause nervousness,  insomnia and  possible  psychic 

>         habituation.   Use  vitamin B supplements to  counteract 

>         this possibility. 



psychic habituation?



Oh *please* ... give me strength ...



Stuart Vernon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: amsler@nevada.edu (JOHN AMSLER)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 05:57:11 GMT



Stuart Vernon (stuv@cix.compulink.co.uk) wrote:

: John J. Amsler writes:



: > CAUTION: Long term use of Guarana alters the blood  sugar,  which 

: >         can  cause nervousness,  insomnia and  possible  psychic 

: >         habituation.   Use  vitamin B supplements to  counteract 

: >         this possibility. 



: psychic habituation?



: Oh *please* ... give me strength ...



: Stuart Vernon



Somebody ELSE wrote it; I merely re-posted it.



- John J. Amsler

  Frisbyterian:  when you die, your soul goes up on the roof.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Guarana ?

From: reams@snowcrest.net (Debi Reams)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 21:46:54 GMT



In article <44jtfh$ql2@neptunus.pi.net>, clemensb@pi.net (Clemens Bergenhenegouw

en) says:

>

>Has anybody any idea of what guarana is ?

>Are there any articles of it?

>

>Thanks

>_________________________

>Clemens Bergenhenegouwen         

>email: clemensb@pi.net

>The Hague / Holland

>_________________________

>In response to your question, I have researched Guarana and know that it

 is a naturally occuring caffeine.  1800 mg of Guarana has less caffeine 

than one cup of coffee.  When I say "naturally occurring" I mean it is not

 synthetically derived such as the caffeine in sodas or Coke products.

  If you are interested, I carry a product called "Ener-boost" that has 

bee pollen,B-12, wheat germ oil, and 1000 mg of Guarana.  It supplies 

energy-building nutritional factors in one tablet.  The supplement has 

no sugar, salt,starch or preservatives and is 100% guaranteed. The cost 

is 100 tablets for $10.95 U.S. You can reach me at reams@snowcrest.net



Sincerely,



Colleen Phillips 

        





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nutmeg

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 04:40:40 GMT



randy.litchfield@sharpcor.com (Randy Litchfield) writes:



> could someone give me a idea what nutmeg is I have been told it could

> cause helth problems if used to much.

>                                 thanks

>                                 Randy.Litchfield@sharpcor.com

> 

> ... This BBS has achieved Air superiority.

> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12



It can also be used as a hallucinogen (with some surprisingly nice

experiences, like shared out-of-the-body or shared auditory

hallucinations with fellow nutmeg-trippers).  I've used it back in the

70's and at times it was a drug of choice for some of us.



If you are concerned about using it for a hallucinogen, yes, there are

side-effect and some contraindications.  For starters it can cause

gastric upset with some or most people ( I never experienced it).  And

continued use over lengthy periods of time (months-years) can lead to

a condition known as "Nutmeg Liver" in the medical community.  It

causes deposits of fatty-tissue on the liver.  Once in a while it's a

great drug to take, but for continual entertainment purposes, I'd

suggest not to use it.  (the effects can last about 36 hours)  And due

to the nature of the high, I wouldn't suggest taking it in any

situation in which you can encounter unknown or dangerous events.

(i.e. don't operate heavy machinery, like that punch-press at your

dad's metal shop... :)  More info can be found at alternate

psychedelic new-groups.  (dosages, etc.) Do drugs responsibly and the

insecure in our society won't have to pass laws against all their

fears -- trapping us in their ignorance right along with them.



Beware of believing all you read in the NEW herbals, they aren't going

to  tell you about the NOT-BIG-BROTHER APPROVED information that can

be had.  In fact, according to a quote in a collection here -- "Beware

of reading health books, you might die of a misprint -- and be

specially aware of reading religious books, you might murder someone

because of a misprint."  



One of the BEST and commonly available herbal dewormers cannot even be

mentioned in books now, because the info is not B.B. (big-brother)

FDA-DRUG-LORD approved.  Hold onto your old books folks and share

xeroxed versions when you can, it will be a long cold day before

freedom of information becomes a reality again (freedom of ANY kind I

should say).  Can you spell "Repugnican"? I thought you could.  "I'm

liberal and going to hell? Shoot, you've already provided hell right

here on earth. We don't need to go there, we ARE there -- thanks to

you."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nutmeg

From: yolanda@worldaccess.nl (yolanda van nieuwkoop)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 20:50:55 GMT



randy.litchfield@sharpcor.com (Randy Litchfield) writes:



>> could someone give me a idea what nutmeg is I have been told it could

>> cause helth problems if used to much.

> >                                thanks

>>                                 Randy.Litchfield@sharpcor.com



>Nutmeg is the seed from a tree, splits out of a pod, and is originally

>covered with scarlet mace, used as a separate spice.



>Used in "normal" (sparing) amounts in foods, it's fine, but it's toxic in

>large amounts, according to _The  New Age Herbalist_. Effects include

>convulsions, disorientation, hallucinations, and double vision.



>I like the taste and probably use more than some people, but it's got a

>strong flavor and a little goes a long way. In, for example, pumpkin pie, I

>usually quadruple the nutmeg, cinnamon, and cloves, from the recipe amount,  

>and sprinkle nutmeg on top, but it's not a large amount in a serving.



>The whole nutmeg looks a bit like a hickory nut, but it really has no shell

>and you grate and use the whole thing. I understand that in colonial times

>they were so precious that it was worthwhile for crooked travelling pedlars

>to carve wooden fakes to sell.



>Health,

>Marylin



I saw only this answer and I can add a little more:

About the poison: both Nutmeg and mace contain myristicin,  which is narcotic

and poisonous; 4 to 5 gram of nutmeg produce symptoms of poisoning in man and

larger quantities  might kill you. Only a couple of weeks ago some kids in

Holland were hospitalized after swallowing too much nutmeg and barely survived.

They had been told they would get "high" on it, but not how much they could

take.



Although the essential oils are the same in both spices the flavours of them are

distinctive. The oils are also used in ointments and perfumery.  Nutmeg is also

used medicinally and is said to have stimulative, carminative, adstringent and

aphrodisiac properties. It is used in tonics and is official in the British

Pharmacopoeia.



I also like the taste and I prefer to buy the whole nut and grate it myself.

I would not use it as a drug to get high on.



Hope to have been of some help,



Yolanda

 

Yolanda@worldaccess.nl

yoli@dds.nl





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nutmeg

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 16:16:48 -0700



Randy Litchfield (randy.litchfield@sharpcor.com) wrote:

: could someone give me a idea what nutmeg is I have been told it could

: cause helth problems if used to much.

:                                 thanks

:                                 Randy.Litchfield@sharpcor.com



I have read that as little as two whole nutmegs can kill a human.



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 04:42:38 GMT



In article <44iudc$chq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,

   riz1@ix.netcom.com (JOSEPH RIZZI) wrote:



>My sister in law is almost incapacitated by panic attacks. She has to

>work, but can't drive because it always brings on attacks. Doctors have

>had her on every kind of anti-depressant, tranquilizers, etc. that you

>can imagine. She's on Xanax 3 times a day now, still can't drive, and

>wants to get off of them. Can anyone out there help her.It's going to

>take something better than Chammomile tea and warm baths. Need

>something stronger but, hopefully, not addictive or causing grogginess.

>Would appreciate an E-Mail as well as a posting for others to help.

>                                          Dani

Dani - 

  I would suggest some training in breathing - Vipassana 

meditation, Zen breathing ... whatever is locally available.

  Cathy's suggestions are all excellent ... there's a chain

of events behind an unstable blood sugar and eating concentrated

sweets:

1. Eat concentrated sweet (and don't let anyone tell you that

   honey doesn't vount)

2. Blood sugar rises sharply

3. Pancreas overreacts and overproduces insulin

4. Blood sugar nosedives

5. This triggers adrenaline production (jitters and fast heart)

   made worse by caffeine

6. This triggers fear of having another attack .... and there it is.



And tell your sister that the attacks are real, and they may

be very distressing, but they won't kill her.



        PANIC ATTACKS ARE ALL IN YOUR HEAD

  Research suggests they are located in a specific structure 

in there and triggered by its activity levels!

 An article in Science (Oct 92) presented what

appears to be the biological source of phobias,

"triggers", and panic attacks. One of the local hospitals

is researching this in detail, using some very high-tech

methods.

  A tiny part of the brain, the amygdala, located near the

base of the skull, is apparently responsible for

associating situations with fear in animals. It starts

firing impulses to the rest of the brain when a normal

person (they used college students for volunteers) is

placed in a situation they are told (or know) is

dangerous. The activity level increases smoothly with the

probability of the danger (a nasty shock). By comparison,

persons with PTSD and panic disorders had amygdala

activity above the normal levels NO MATTER WHAT the

probability of danger. In plain english, their brain was

in full panic at the first hint of danger.



  A second part of the brain apparently is capable of

re-training the amygdala about what is dangerous. This

part of the brain was LESS active than normal in PTSD and

panic disorders. It was LESS capable of retraining the

amygdala not to send panic signals. In normal subjects,

being exposed to the dangerous situation repeatedly, but

without the danger actually happening to them, "taught"

the amygdala the situation no longer required a reaction.

PTSD and panic disorder patients took significantly longer

to retrain. The article suggested that selective drugs be

developed to either calm the amygdala or stimulate the

re-training portion to effectively treat PTSD and panic

attacks.

(here is where desensitization training comes into effect,

but for the brain to learn, the brain can't be drigged into

oblivion ... so her wanting to get off the Xantac sounds

like a good idea.  Then visualizing driving, sitting in

the car pretending to drive, sittin in an idling car,

very slowly getting used to the idea that it isn't dangerous.)

  Still a question - what causes the abnormal activity

levels? I'll guess that excessive stimulation (being

trapped in a fearful situation with no way out) could do

it in suceptible people. A period of unpredictable terror

could keep the amygdala at such a high level of activity

that it becomes an on-off switch, instead of the normal

variable control.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: riz1@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: Diane Marie Chan <daschan@pop.4.jaring.my>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 13:14:19 GMT



riz1@ix.netcom.com (JOSEPH RIZZI) wrote:

>My sister in law is almost incapacitated by panic attacks. She has to

>work, but can't drive because it always brings on attacks. Doctors have

>had her on every kind of anti-depressant, tranquilizers, etc. that you

>can imagine. She's on Xanax 3 times a day now, still can't drive, and

>wants to get off of them. Can anyone out there help her.It's going to

>take something better than Chammomile tea and warm baths. Need

>something stronger but, hopefully, not addictive or causing grogginess.

>Would appreciate an E-Mail as well as a posting for others to help.

>                                          Dani



Try Bach's Flower Remedies. My favourite: Bach's Rescue Remedy, which 

relaxes and restores balance when there is a system overload or shutdown 

due to shock or congestion (emotional as well as physical). It's the 

first thing I reach for in an emergency (to prevent or relieve symptoms 

of shock). Once when my sinuses were totally congested from a bad cold 

and I had tried "everything else," I decided why not try Rescue 

Remedy--what the hell?--and within one minute, I was breathing 

comfortably through my nose again. My sister-in-law has reported its 

efficacy in calming and reviving victims of stroke. Don't be put off by 

the small bottle and recommended low dosage (4 drops to be taken with a 

sip of warm water). It is decidedly potent, yet non-addictive, as far as 

I know. There are a number of different preparations, which target 

different problems or weaknesses. Check with your healthfood shop 

whether they carry the full range. If you cannot find it, e-mail me, and 

I will recommend the name of an herbalist (in USA) who does sell the 

full range of Bach's Flower Remedies. Not expensive and worth a try.

--Das Chan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: sanshep@aol.com (SanShep)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:45:14 -0400



I too used to suffer panic attacks while driving in my car or riding in

anyone else's car and in a hotel or motel room.  After seeing a specialist

who practices Environmental Medicine I found that I'm allergic to many

things.  While in the car I was having a reaction to exhaust from all of

the vehicles on the road and from the molds coming from the

air-conditioner & heater.  I bought a car air-purifier from N.E.E.D.S.

(800-634-1380) which plugs into cigarette lighter.  This works great!  No

more attacks in the car!  (I bought the "AutoAire II" for $179.95.)



The hotel attacks are a result of the cleaning chemicals which they use in

the rooms.  That's an area that I'm still working on resolving.  (If you

can't stay in a motel , it's very difficult to travel!)



The address for the American Academy of Environmental Medicine is:

POBox 16106

Denver, Co 80216

Send $3 and a SASE for a list of specialists in your area.



These are the *only* doctors that I've found who understand panic attacks

and are successful in treating them.



Good Luck,

Sandy

Sandy Sheppard

SanShep@aol





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: riz1@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: kramer@netvision.net.il

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 19:55:51 PDT



 

> My sister in law is almost incapacitated by panic attacks. She has to

> work, but can't drive because it always brings on attacks. Doctors have

> had her on every kind of anti-depressant, tranquilizers, etc. that you

> can imagine. She's on Xanax 3 times a day now, still can't drive, and

> wants to get off of them. Can anyone out there help her.It's going to

> take something better than Chammomile tea and warm baths. Need

> something stronger but, hopefully, not addictive or causing grogginess.

> Would appreciate an E-Mail as well as a posting for others to help.

>                                           Dani

> 



Hello Dani,

I am a clinical psychologist.  One of the best ways of treating panic attacks 

WITHOUT medication is hypnosis.  If you contact me via the e-mail, I can give 

you more details on how to go about finding someone appropriate, what the 

treatment should consist of, etc.



Write me with a few more details, age of your sister, how long the problem has 

existed, when did it start, what made it start.

Rick Kramer

kramer@netvision.net.il





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: khandzik@starnetinc.com (Kenneth M. Handzik)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 02:22:10 GMT



> 

>> My sister in law is almost incapacitated by panic attacks. She has to

>> work, but can't drive because it always brings on attacks. Doctors have

>> had her on every kind of anti-depressant, tranquilizers, etc. that you

>> can imagine. She's on Xanax 3 times a day now, still can't drive, and

>> wants to get off of them. Can anyone out there help her.It's going to

>> take something better than Chammomile tea and warm baths. Need

>> something stronger but, hopefully, not addictive or causing grogginess.

>> Would appreciate an E-Mail as well as a posting for others to help.

>>                                           Dani

>> 



No one herb, medicine etc will help all who suffer from anxiety.

Herbs which may help without making one feel drugged are Valerian and

Skullcap, both of which are easy to find at most health food

emporiums.  Vitamins which will benefit to some extent and will not

harm at all are the B complex - for stress and also effective with

chemically induced imbalances.  Suggest book "The Anxiety Disease",

also "Listening to Prozac".  Prozac has been much more beneficial than

xanax without the side effects and "drugged" feeling.  Also new/next

(3rd) generation which holds even more promise, but don't remember

drugs name offhand - a good pharmacologist should be able to help.

Some have found help thru VR (virtual reality)  Would be interested in

your sister-in-laws birth data for research project - date, time and

place.  Probable she has water/12th house moon.  Chamomille tea is

mildly soothing and good for child or adult, not adequate for anything

which glass of wine and 10 minutes of quiet time won't cure.  Use as

ancillary rather than primary remedy.  With birth data may be able to

suggest couple other easily obtained and harmless aids.  When using

any natural / homeopathic remedy, do not expect to see immediate

results - treats problem, not symptom, as valium does. Good Luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: hrbs4hlth@aol.com (HRBS4HLTH)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 06:40:15 -0400



Why are you recommending drugs and alcohol to this person who inquires

about "alternative" therapies?



There are good herbal combinations available, and a good homeopathic

product can be helpful at the onset of symptoms.  You might also look into

bach flowers.



Sheila



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 08:29:41 GMT



Once I had panic attacks while driving...seems I had an inner ear 

infection at the time.  Too much head turning in a car.  This seemed so 

obvious when discovered, I guess that is why it was so easy to miss. 



Instead of all the pharmaceuticals she might try Hypericum as an 

anti-depressant.  As with most herbs, the healing is towards the source, 

not the symptom so it will usually take longer to notice the results.  

I've had good results.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: healthtrek@aol.com (HealthTrek)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:54:33 -0400



My best friend also had debilitating panic attacks, was on Xanax and

Prozac...

counseling...etc. She got help from herbs and advise given by Charlie and

Karen

Finch.  They have written a book about Charlie's problem with toxic

poisoning and

the resulting panic attacks and now sell herbal products...They are very

nice

people and I believe could at least point you in the right direction. 

Their phone number is 406-585-9898 (Montana). 



Good luck I hope this helps!  If you would like to email me,

TLMahan@aol.com I will see if I can get my friend to contact yours.  I

think support from someone 

who has gone through this themself can be a great help.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 22:33:41 -0700



: In article <44iudc$chq@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,

:    riz1@ix.netcom.com (JOSEPH RIZZI) wrote:

: >My sister in law is almost incapacitated by panic attacks. She has to

: >work, but can't drive because it always brings on attacks. Doctors have

: >had her on every kind of anti-depressant, tranquilizers, etc. that you

: >can imagine. She's on Xanax 3 times a day now, still can't drive, and

: >wants to get off of them. Can anyone out there help her.It's going to

: >take something better than Chammomile tea and warm baths. Need

: >something stronger but, hopefully, not addictive or causing grogginess.

: >Would appreciate an E-Mail as well as a posting for others to help.

: >                                          Dani



To follow up on what somebody else said... I too suffered incapacitating

panic attacks as a teenager.  I was on Xanax, and in probably the same

dosages.  It did nothing for me but increase the intensity of the attacks

each time they wore off.  I found my cure through hypnosis and an eventual

complete revamping of my lifestyle... eventually becoming my own person

and becoming comfortable with that person.  I had about five sessions with

a trained hypnotherapist, then took those techniques out of the office and

after about two years had completely conquered my illness.  I am a stronger

person for it, and I'm sure your sister-in-law will be as well, if and when

she is able to bring her illness under control.  



Hope this helps, and good luck to you!



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: smiller@pacifier.com (Sandy)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 06:53:50 GMT



In article <457nrl$acu@crl10.crl.com>

jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel) writes:



> I had about five sessions with

> a trained hypnotherapist, then took those techniques out of the office and

> after about two years had completely conquered my illness.



I hope I don't get flamed for this, but I read an article in hmmm...

The National Enquirer or The Reader's Digest, not sure which, which

said that physicians have been treating panic attacks with either a

vitamin or a new drug, I forget which!  But had excellent cure rates.



Argh!  How insubstantial!  BUT, I read about it just in the last two

weeks or so, so you wouldn't have to look into TOO  many back issues to

find the article, <g>.  This is just in case hypnosis doesn't work,

because I know that although people have tried, I just can't be

hypnotized...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Panic Attacks-Need Help

From: solodoc@aol.com (SoloDoc)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 10:22:57 -0400



Have had some results with diaphragmatic breathing practice before on a

regular basis and then more effective for attacks. I have heard reports of

up to 70% response rate with NO side effects of cost. At least work a try.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: pepper and bugs

From: jezebel@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Jill Rachelle Chancey)

Date: 30 Sep 95 23:58:39 CDT



Katie Mann (kmann@clark.net) wrote:

: I remember some time back (last spring maybe), some people mentioing that 

: pepper was good for keeping ants away... that they don't like walking 

: over it perhaps?  Has anyone had any experience w/ this w/ other butgs.  

: I've sprayed raid all over my apartment w/ little to no effect.  my 

: apartments one room, and i emptied almost a whole bottle.  The small 

: roach like bugs seemed bothered by that for a while, but the smaller ones 

: (about the size of one of these characters, three of theese characters 

: for larger ones... tear drop in over all shape and bulbous at the body 

: end) seem not to care are at all.



Try Tabasco sauce, diluted, and then sprayed outside your doors and windows. 

I can assure you that insects do NOT like Tabasco sauce.  More proof that 

roaches don't deserve to live, in my opinion.



Jez





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: pepper and bugs

From: otter@mich.com (Oscar Pederson)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 07:02:05 GMT



>Katie Mann (kmann@clark.net) wrote:

>: I remember some time back (last spring maybe), some people mentioing that 

>: pepper was good for keeping ants away... that they don't like walking 

>: over it perhaps?  Has anyone had any experience w/ this w/ other butgs.  



You can try diatomaceous earth, which works well on roaches, or Borax,

which works well on fleas, but for carpenter ants or other sweet

eating ants, I recommend a non-herbal poison called Terro Ant Killer.

It works very well at killing off the colony, as it acts slow enough

that they take it back to their friends.  I find that mixing it 50/50

with mountain dew attracts them faster.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin questions...

From: cathydm@aol.com (CathyDM)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 03:49:52 -0400



All the new interest in melatonin unfortunately overlooks something

important.  Why do we need melatonin supplements?  Why are our bodies

failing to produce enough?



Research I've seen says that our technology-dependent lifestyles interfere

with natural melatonin production.  As I understand it, our bodies produce

melatonin only when it's dark out.  Our heavy dependence on electric

lights has drastically reduced our exposure to darkness.  Hence, our own

bodies have less chance to produce melatonin.  This results in sleep

problems and, some say, increased cancer.



Rather than change the root of the problem (admittedly a big change!),

we're ignoring it completely and turning to quick technological

fixes--pills of melatonin.  This just continues our movement away from a

healthy lifestyle in sync with nature and our bodies.  



Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin questions...

From: HKHW89A@prodigy.com (Andrew Popel)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 01:13:02 GMT



i was just wondering if anybody has noticed diff experiences when taking 

melatonin at diff times? Such as right before bed or an hour or so before.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin questions...

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 08:34:17 GMT



HKHW89A@prodigy.com (Andrew Popel) wrote:

>

> i was just wondering if anybody has noticed diff experiences when taking 

> melatonin at diff times? Such as right before bed or an hour or so before.

> 

> 

My daughter and I each tried it right before bedtime and slept very

restlessly.  Relaxed,but no deep sleep.  She won't take it again. I 

take it occasionally about 5 hours before bedtime now. Very relaxing

and when I get to bed, I sleep well.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin questions...

From: Stephen_Kear@mindlink.bc.ca (Stephen Kear)

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:00:28 -0700



In article <44q2mu$1hu8@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>, HKHW89A@prodigy.com

(Andrew Popel) writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <44q2mu$1hu8@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>

> References: <44lh70$8cc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>

> Posted: 3 Oct 1995 01:13:02 GMT

>

> Org.  : Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY

>

> i was just wondering if anybody has noticed diff experiences when taking

> melatonin at diff times? Such as right before bed or an hour or so

> before.

>

>



I find that if I take it about 3/4 to one hour before I go to bed I get the

most benefit from the Melatonin.  Also, taking it on an empty stomach helps

as well. I haven't heard anyone mention this in there replies to any of the

questions about Melatonin.



--



--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Kear (2443)                             Beautiful British Columbia

Stephen_Kear@mindlink.bc.ca                           Vancouver, B.C.

skear@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca                             CANADA

__________________________________________________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cold Sores

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 11:44:48 GMT



 

I've had luck with taking a vitamin C tablet or an aspirin tablet

and pushing it firmly against the cold sore for as long as it  (the

tablet) would hold together.  It hurts a lot, especially at first,as

both C and aspirin are acid and the tissue involved is sensitive 

even before it's opened and raw from the sore.

 



There is probably some destruction of tissue and I'd think there'd 

be some possibility of scarring.  Never noticed either one.

 

I can't reccomend this uncritically, but it's worked for me.

Try some gentler methods first and give this a shot only as a last

resort.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: robins49@pilot.msu.edu (ROSE)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:33:39 GMT



 I always put an ice cube on for as long as I can stand it, and repeat 

as often as necessary, usually until the "tingling-burning" stops. Also 

, my dermatologist gave me a tube of Zorvirax (acylclovir) in case it 

doesn't work. In article <44luvg$9re@mixer.visi.com>, cyli@visi.com 

says...

>

> 

>I've had luck with taking a vitamin C tablet or an aspirin tablet

>and pushing it firmly against the cold sore for as long as it  (the

>tablet) would hold together.  It hurts a lot, especially at first,as

>both C and aspirin are acid and the tissue involved is sensitive 

>even before it's opened and raw from the sore.

> 

>

>There is probably some destruction of tissue and I'd think there'd 

>be some possibility of scarring.  Never noticed either one.

> 

>I can't reccomend this uncritically, but it's worked for me.

>Try some gentler methods first and give this a shot only as a last

>resort.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:38:58 GMT



A cold sore is herpes simplex and I find that if responds best to

homeopathic herpes simplex nosode.



Any one experiencing herpes simplex may just want to do

the nosode and be done with it once and forever!



In Health,



Robert Green, ND





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 04 Oct 1995 07:11:47 GMT



In message ID <44shii$1sl@news.connectnet.com> on 10/3/95, Robert Green  ND

wrote:



: A cold sore is herpes simplex and I find that if responds best to

: homeopathic herpes simplex nosode.

: 

: Any one experiencing herpes simplex may just want to do

: the nosode and be done with it once and forever!



Then this is not homeopathy, it is isopathy, and it is a schockish job at

that! What lousy advice.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: seacher@ix.netcom.com (James)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:09:54 GMT



In <44luvg$9re@mixer.visi.com> cyli <cyli@visi.com> writes: 

>

> 

>I've had luck with taking a vitamin C tablet or an aspirin tablet

>and pushing it firmly against the cold sore for as long as it  (the

>tablet) would hold together.  It hurts a lot, especially at first,as

>both C and aspirin are acid and the tissue involved is sensitive 

>even before it's opened and raw from the sore.

> 

>

>There is probably some destruction of tissue and I'd think there'd 

>be some possibility of scarring.  Never noticed either one.

> 

>I can't reccomend this uncritically, but it's worked for me.

>Try some gentler methods first and give this a shot only as a last

>resort.

=======================================================================

We have found that H2O2 - 3% sprayed on the sore, with "8" glasses of

pure water per day. It has to be "water" not tea, coffee, or fruit

juices.



thanks Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: herbyours@aol.com (HERB YOURS)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:21:51 -0400



I have found for me the moment I start having that feeling..... I take

acidophillous (probably not the right  spelling) You know those little

buggers that are suppose to live naturally in your gut.  I have found that

not only health food stores carry it but it you ask the pharmacy. They

stock it in the frig.... I like the chewable.  As a matter of fact at one

time the label of one type claimed its use.  Mine never develop into a

blister and are gone in 3-4 days.  Hard to believe huh....



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:51:57 GMT



In message ID <462gvf$et7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/18/95, HERB YOURS

wrote:



: I have found for me the moment I start having that feeling..... I take

: acidophillous (probably not the right  spelling) You know those little

: buggers that are suppose to live naturally in your gut.



Won't work for 'cold sores' (herpes outbreaks) AT ALL. 



May work for apthae (mouth sores).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 11:48:47 GMT



 

My daughter and I both tried it.  We both found it wonderfully 

relaxing, but not* conducive to a good night's sleep.  We slept

restlessly and with fragmentary dreams.

 

I now use it in the evening, at least 5 hours before going to bed. And

I only use it occasionally.  However, I do* sleep very well on the

nights I've taken some much earlier (5 hours)  than bedtime.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin

From: Durk Hoekstra <Durk_Hoekstra@mindlink.bc.ca>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:13:46 -0700



Can anybodytell me were I can get Melatonin it is not available 

in Canda without perscription.

Nothing is sacred any more



Many thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 22 Oct 1995 08:16:09 GMT



Melatonin available .... 800.493.2328 ext.#6743

the company is Nutrition World in Florida. Info

on some of the products at webpage below.



-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: mgang@io.org

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:21:56 GMT





Not true.  Available in many stores in Canada and US.

- Marilyn -

mgang@io.org

Toronto





Durk Hoekstra <Durk_Hoekstra@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:



>Can anybodytell me were I can get Melatonin it is not available 

>in Canda without perscription.

>Nothing is sacred any more



>Many thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin

From: ptgolley@aol.com (PTGOLLEY)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 07:07:44 -0400



Does anyone know about the safety and efficacy of melatonin?  What would 

be the maximum safe dosage as a sleep aid for a 255lb, 6'-5" male?

                   Thanks for any response!

ptgolley@aol.com 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb for Colic

From: bj3@ix.netcom.com

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 12:17:32 GMT



Hi!



About 6 months ago or so, there were a few posts on an herb that

helped a baby with colic.  (The herb was steeped in water and used as

a tea.)  Meant to write it down and, Murphy's law, didn't...so now I

need it!  My daughter had a baby only two days ago, and while it's too

early to determine if this baby has colic, her first little one did.

And a miserable time was had by all!!!



This time would like to be able to have something to help the poor

little one and also so that Mom and Dad can get some sleep.  Seems

like they rocked and walked the first baby for months!!



Any help would sure be appreciated, and make for an even happier

family!



Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 12:00:14 GMT



bj3@ix.netcom.com wrote:



>About 6 months ago or so, there were a few posts on an herb that

>helped a baby with colic.  (The herb was steeped in water and used as

>a tea.)  Meant to write it down and, Murphy's law, didn't...so now I

>need it!  My daughter had a baby only two days ago, and while it's too

>early to determine if this baby has colic, her first little one did.

>And a miserable time was had by all!!!

[snip]

>Any help would sure be appreciated, and make for an even happier

>family!

>Jeanne



Jeanne, (I feel like I'm writing to myself!)



I don't know what was posted regarding colic previously but I can tell 

you what worked for me.  I breastfed both of my children.  I avoided 

gas-y foods, like broccoli, beans, etc, and I drank alot of fennel/catnip 

tea.  I noticed that my children were able to pass their own gas much 

easier which prevented them from having gas pains.  Another herb that is 

a good addition is chamomille.  I hope this works for your daughter.



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: bj3@ix.netcom.com

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 03:47:58 GMT



Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net> wrote:



>Jeanne, (I feel like I'm writing to myself!)



>I don't know what was posted regarding colic previously but I can tell 

>you what worked for me.  I breastfed both of my children.  I avoided 

>gas-y foods, like broccoli, beans, etc, and I drank alot of fennel/catnip 

>tea.  I noticed that my children were able to pass their own gas much 

>easier which prevented them from having gas pains.  Another herb that is 

>a good addition is chamomille.  I hope this works for your daughter.



>Peace, Jeanne



That's it!  It was catnip tea that was recommended by several folks,

but I think a weak solution was given directly to the baby, if I'm not

mistaken.  Do you think that would be okay?  Mom is definitely breast

feeding - perhaps she should drink it also like you did??



Will pass this on to my daughter - Thanks!  



BTW, like your name.  :)



Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bj3@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 22:15:01 GMT



>It was catnip tea that was recommended by several folks, but I think a >weak so

lution was given directly to the baby, if I'm not mistaken.  Do >you think that would be okay?  Mom is definitely breastfeeding - pe

rhaps >she should drink it also like you did??



Jeanne,



Yes, you can give it directly to the baby as well although I would wait 

and see if it works with breastfeeding and only give about a teaspoon at 

a time of diluted tea.  I used to make a strong brew of fennel/catnip and 

sometimes chamomille tea in the morning and put it in the 'frig.  I used 

fresh herbs, about a tbls. of each in a suntea container.  If you have 

one of those metal tea balls you'll find it keeps the herbs from clogging 

the "tap".  If your daughter is nursing she'll want to keep well 

hydrated.  The usual 8 glasses a day plus some.



Best wishes and happy grandparenting!



Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 03:28:10 GMT



also, make sure there is no excess air in the bottle, plastic or 

otherwise.  squeeze the air out of the plastic bottle until you 

get asmall stream of milk out--like a syringe needle





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:33:33 GMT



Hi Jeanne,



Fist is the baby being brest feed, its sounds like perhaps 

the chid does not have the proper bacteria balance in the colon.



The other thing you could try is chamomile, especially for a child

that young, its excellent for colic and tate good too!



Hope this helps!





In Health,



Robert Green, ND





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Colic

From: bj3@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 03:44:11 GMT



"Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:

>Hi Jeanne,



>Fist is the baby being brest feed, its sounds like perhaps 

>the chid does not have the proper bacteria balance in the colon.



>The other thing you could try is chamomile, especially for a child

>that young, its excellent for colic and tate good too!



>Hope this helps!



>In Health,



>Robert Green, ND



Thank you!  Will pass all this information on to  MOM!!



So far, this new baby doesn't have the signs of colic...but we shall

see.  Mom made an effort to cut way back on dairy during the

pregnancy.  Keep your fingers crossed!  :)



Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cholestrol

From: itype@aol.com (Itype)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 09:04:30 -0400



I agree with the garlic, it has proven to be very effective in lowering

cholesterol. Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pterocarpus Marsupium

From: pcherry@science.edu (Dr. Paul Cherry)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 13:47:42 GMT



I would like as much info as possible on Pterocarpus Marsupium.  Are 

there any studies of its effectiveness for use in diabetics?  Are 

there any adverse side effects?  What does the FDA say about it?  How 

can it be aquired? -Paul-



P

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Academy of Science**************************************

  Independence ****        pcherry@science.edu

    Missouri  ***

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and Alcohol

From: tonym@awod.com (tony)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 15:05:59 GMT



Does anyone have info on any herb or herbs that crave the urge

for boozing...no no not marijuana...It got blurted on David Essel's

show and I missed it. Thank you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Alcohol

From: JKGX03B@prodigy.com (Dorothy Lasken)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 09:04:41 GMT



tonym@awod.com (tony) wrote:

>

>Does anyone have info on any herb or herbs that crave the urge

>for boozing...no no not marijuana...It got blurted on David Essel's

>show and I missed it. Thank you.



Kudzu root.  There is a famous report of its use on a breed of hamster 

that prefers alcohol to food or water.  When given kudzu, or its active 

ingredient, daidzin, the hamsters' alcohol consumption decreased 

dramatically (I have seen figures of 50% and 90% quoted).  There is some 

disagreement as to whether it reduces the craving, or, because it blocks 

the body's detoxification of alcohol, makes the person sick, and is 

therefore an aversion therapy.  It has been used by the Chinese for 

centuries not only for excessive alcohol consumption, but for many other 

purposes.



I have been using it for three weeks or so, and I think it works.  Part 

of the effect may be that I don't want to find out if it really makes one 

sick, but I do have the subjective feeling that craving is much reduced.  

I ran out a couple of days ago and experienced increased craving--which 

may be entirely psychsomatic.  But who cares if it works?



-

TOM LASKEN  JKGX03A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Alcohol

From: indigo121@aol.com (Indigo121)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:26:39 -0400



There is a product containing Kudzu in a tea form known as Before and

After Tea.  It's being sold as a hangover remedy as well as an alcohol

detox formula.  We've given it to many patients with good results.  If

anyone is interested in purchasing it you can email DrDrewAtGC@aol.com.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Alcohol

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 06 Oct 1995 00:26:52 GMT



In message ID <44ucjv$s99@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/4/95, Indigo121 wrote:



: There is a product containing Kudzu in a tea form known as Before and

: After Tea.  It's being sold as a hangover remedy as well as an alcohol

: detox formula.  We've given it to many patients with good results.  If

: anyone is interested in purchasing it you can email DrDrewAtGC@aol.com.



The demonstrated value of kudzu in the lab for interfering with alcohol

craving was at fairly high levels. The evidence is that this functions as

chemical aversion therapy, not as a 'hangover remedy.' 



You shouldn't pay for this product. Kudzu grows all over the south, and

people would pay you good money to 'harvest' it. 



Bring your flamethrower.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Alcohol

From: "J.B." <jbarrick@friend.ly.net>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 12:20:34 GMT



Heard on the news this past summer that an extract made from Kudzoo kills 

a craving for alcohol.  Kudzoo is that vine imported from Japan for use 

in erosion control; unfortunately, it grows VERY rapidly and is 

uncontainable. Ever seen it in Georgia? It covers entire trees. Produces 

a potato-like root.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb To Dissolve Arterial Plaque

From: rfreuler@earth.execpc.com (Rob Freuler)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 15:12:48 GMT



     Is there any hreb that has the property of dissolving arterial 

plaque ?



                              Rob....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb To Dissolve Arterial Plaque

From: blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:16:32 -0400



I don't know about an herb, but my husband has

successfully reversed his through a fat-free diet.

True, you can't totally delete fat from your diet,

but for almost 3 years we have both tried to buy

and cook only food which is listed as 0 grams 

fat or nearly that.



His doctor told him10 years ago that he must have

by-pass surgery.  One main artery was 100% closed,

other main ones were 70% and 50%.



Today, I have trouble keeping up to him, and he has

gone from 3 expensive medications to one, which he

hopes to give up soon.



Herbs may be out there, too.



Meanwhile, cut the fat!  And good luck!



Elizabeth





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Depression?

From: ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu

Date: 1 Oct 95 15:28:59 GMT



Hello,



Does anyone know of good herbs for depression?  Any help would be greatly

appreciated.



Please email to



ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu



Thanks!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Depression?

From: barthele@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (barthelemy kevin)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 02:18:54 GMT



ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu wrote:

: Hello,



: Does anyone know of good herbs for depression?  Any help would be greatly

: appreciated.



: Please email to



: ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu



: Thanks!!



I dunno, cannibis always seems to work good for me! :}





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Depression?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 08:55:23 



In article: <454o2e$ovn@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>  barthele@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 

(barthelemy kevin) writes:

> 

> ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu wrote:

> : Hello,

> 

> : Does anyone know of good herbs for depression?  Any help would be greatly

> : appreciated.

> 

> : Please email to

> 

> : ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu

> 

> : Thanks!!

> 



Essential oils of Rose; Rosa Damascena or R. Centifolia, Bergamot; Citrus 

Bergamia, Lavendar; Lavendula Angustifolium.



Graham



-- 

Moved again! Hopefully permanent this time    

     Guide to Aromatherapy URL



http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any herbs for post-nasal drip?

From: ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu

Date: 1 Oct 95 15:29:49 GMT



Hello,



Does anyone know of herbs to cure post-nasal drip.  Any help would be greatly

appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!



Chris



Please email to ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for post-nasal drip?

From: david.gallagher@bnr.ca (David A. Gallagher)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 13:15:19 GMT



In article <1995Oct1.152949@acl.nyit.edu>, ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu wrote:



> Hello,

> 

> Does anyone know of herbs to cure post-nasal drip.  Any help would be greatly

> appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!

> 

> 

> Chris

> 

> 

> Please email to ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu



I too am interested in PND treatment. Please post to me and/or the

newsgroup.



Thanx,

David



david.gallagher@bnr.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any herbs for post-nasal drip?

From: "David B. Ritchie" <uhlnpya@avocet.ma.iup.edu>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:36:33 -0400



On 1 Oct 1995 ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu wrote:



> Hello,

> 

> Does anyone know of herbs to cure post-nasal drip.  Any help would be greatly

> appreciated.  Thanks in advance!!!!

> 

> 

> Chris

> 

> 

> Please email to ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu

> 

> 

>>>> 



Hi,

        Try ma huang.  I think that is good for clearing up your nose.  

You might want to talk to a doctor first because I heard that too much ma 

huang might me damaging to adrenal glands (or something).  Also, you 

might consider Cat's Claw (Uncaria Tomentosa).



                Dave Ritchie

                uhlnpya@avocet.ma.iup.edu

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: <><> Science investigates Aloe Vera and AIDS <><>

From: mlmca@ix.netcom.com (Bob )

Date: 1 Oct 1995 15:48:31 GMT



Science investigates Aloe vera and AIDS</h1>



The following is from a study by Dr. Terry L. Pulse of 29 AIDS

patients.  The

study was published in the <b>Journal  of Advancement in Medicine</b>,

Winter 1990,

Volume 3, No. 4

Basically, the patients took 1200 mg of the active ingredient in Aloe

vera

juice daily as well as nutrient supplements. We quote directly from Dr.

Pulse's report of the results, which are fantastic:



"No adverse effects attributable to the essential fatty acid capsules

were

observed nor any side effects of the nutritional supplementation powder

nor

of the Aloe vera juice.  Most patients who were symptomatic reported

that

within three to five days their energy levels improved, fever

disappeared,

night sweats stopped, cough decreased or stopped altogether, shortness

of

breath decreased, lymph nodes decreased in size, diarrhea stopped,

strength

improved and the only measurable side effect of this particular study

was

weight gain, which is a desirable effect.  There were no biochemical

abnormalities noted on SMAC in this particular study.  AZT induced

anemia

improved on this particular regimen. Chest x-rays remained normal

through out

the study.  No changes in EKG from baseline were observed.  There was

great

improvement in all patients to hypersensitivity skin testing at the end

of 90

days... Not only did the patients improve clinically and functionally,

but

their Karnofsky scores improved in 93.1% of the patients at 90 days and

in

100% at 180 days.  51.7% of the patient's T4 helper lymphocytes

increased at

90 days and 32.2% at 180 days, with 25% reactive HIV P24 core antigen

converted to negative at 90 days and 180 days."

In essence, a substantial number of patient's physical condition

improved.

 Energy levels improved, fever disappeared, night sweats stopped, cough

decreased or stopped, shortness of breath decreased, lymph nodes

decreased in

size, diarrhea stopped, weakness improved.  Hypersensitivity skin

testing

improved.  In 96.4% of the test patients, their Modified Walter Reed

Scores

had improved at 180 days. Karnofsky scores improved in 93.1%. T4

lymphocytes

increased in some patients and, in some, their reactive HIV P24 antigen

converted to negative. Terry L Pulse, M. D., Elizabeth Uhig, RIE, "A

Significant Improvement In A Clinical Pilot Study Utilizing Nutritional

Supplements, Essential Fatty Acids and Stabilized Aloe vera Juice."

Journal

of Advancement In Medicine, Winter 1990, Vol. 3, No. 4.



Another study looked at the effects of a carbohydrate compound purified

from

Aloe vera used with AZT and ACY on AIDS patients. The study concluded

that

the Aloe vera substance appears to help AZT and ACY block the pathology

associated with HIV and herpes simplex virus. Texas A&M University.

AIDS

Weekly, August 5, 1991, p.2.



A third study is currently being conducted by Carrington Laboratories

to

indicate what effect acemannan, derived from Aloe vera, has on boosting

the

immune system of AIDS patients.  The study is noteworthy in that it is

being

conducted with the Federal Drug Administration's approval. The results

of the

study should be watched closely.

And finally, A preliminary study suggests that the Aloe vera drug may

mimic

AZT without toxicity. A substance in Aloe vera show signs of boosting

the

immune systems of AIDS patients and blocking the human

immune-deficiency

virus spread without the toxic side effects. H. Reginald McDaniel, M.

D.,

Medical World News, December 1993.

<p>

<h3>More Facts on AIDS</h3>



The Human Immunodeficiency Virus works slowly over a period of between

7 and

14 years.  Based upon statistical patterns, the whole continent of

Africa

where HIV is the most prevalent could be wiped out within a short

number of

years. A slower but similar pattern could occur in the United States,

in fact

throughout the entire world.

<p>

There are many things that we do not know about AIDS. We do not really

know

how it is transmitted. We do not completely understand how its

retrovirus

activity destroys T4 and other disease fighting cells in our immune

system.

We do not even know where it originated. The most common theory is that

it is

a cross-over virus, that is, it jumped from another species to man. 

African

Green Monkeys are the most suggested origin. Another French study

indicates

that a similarity exists between the sequence of genetic material found

in a

virus in a chimpanzee in Gabon, Africa, and the Human Immunodeficiency

Virus.

 A theory propounded by Robert B. Strecker, M. D., a practicing

internist and

gastroenterologist who also holds a PhD in pharmacology, presently has

our

attention and appears to us to be the most plausible.

<p>

Doctor Strecker indicates that the Human Immunodeficiency Virus

resembles the

Bovine Leukemia Virus found in cattle and the Visna Virus found in

sheep.

 The molecular weight of the viruses is the same.  He theorizes that

the

initial source of the cross-species infection originated with smallpox

vaccine batches.  Doctor Strecker is not alone in this idea.  While it

received very limited press coverage in North America, the theory

received

much wider  publication in Europe.  Doctor Strecker states that dating

backward from the time of the identification of AIDS in Africa to the

approximate time of infection, there is a period of time which

corresponds

with the period when the World Health Organization performed widespread

smallpox vaccinations in the exact location in Africa where AIDS later

first

broke out.

<p>

The smallpox virus from which the vaccine is processed is obtained by

scraping infected scabs from cattle and then collecting the drippings.

 Doctor Strecker indicates a strong probability that Bovine Leukemia

Virus

was present in the batches and not destroyed in the vaccine processing.

 On

whether its presence was intentional or unintentional, he does not

comment.

<p>

The widespread infection in the Haitian population is attributed by Dr.

Strecker to the presence of 10,000 Haitian workers who received the

questionable vaccine while in Africa and subsequently returned to

Haiti.  As

to the outbreak of HIV infection among homosexuals in centers such as

San

Francisco and New York, the doctor does not yet have an answer but

indicates

there may be a similar cause from some government program such as a

pilot

hepatitis immunization program.

<p>

No one has found a cure for AIDS.  The problem is complicated because

the

virus appears to mutate in each infected individual.  Every Human

Immunodeficiency Virus that is isolated appears to be different.  The

differences may prohibit the development of a vaccine.

<p>

AZT is the principle drug approved by the Federal Drug Administration

for the

treatment of HIV positive patients.  The studies that gave rise to its

quick

approval are very questionable and not totally accurate in our opinion.

 The

drug AZT may in fact kill the patient as it does damage to kidneys, the

liver

and the neurological system and develops anemia in patients.  It is so

toxic

that over 50% of AIDS patients cannot tolerate the drug.  Whether AZT

prolongs or shortens life is questionable.

<p>

Aloe vera has no toxicity. It damages no organisms. We have never heard

of

anyone not being able to tolerate taking Aloe.  The Pulse study

unquestionably indicates that advanced stages, as reflected by the

Walter

Reed scores, were reversed by patients who took Aloe vera.  Which

really

prolongs life, AZT or Aloe vera?



Check out the Web Home Page Aloe 5000 http://www.csz.com/alliance.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: clawson@axxis.com (Susie Clawson)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 10:04:50 -0600



I use the deoderant stone and I love it!  From what I've read. . .  when

you wet it and rub in on, it leaves behind a mineral that inhibits

bacterial growth.  For me, I find it more effective than other deorderants

I've used.



Susie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: smiller@pacifier.com (Sandy)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 20:26:58 GMT



Well, I've doubled-checked the ingredients in MY crystal, and the

active ingredient is NOT aluminum - it's alum.  And when I checked the

ingredients on my previous favorite antiperspirant, aluminum was the

main ingredient.



Guess I'll stick to my safer deodorant rock after all!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: ecoli@cix.compulink.co.uk ("K N and P J Harris")

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:16:06 GMT



> ==========

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1995 20:26:58 

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> From: smiller@pacifier.com (Sandy)

> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

> Date: 1 Oct 1995 20:26:58 GMT

> Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa.  ((360) 693-0325)

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> 

> Well, I've doubled-checked the ingredients in MY crystal, and the

> active ingredient is NOT aluminum - it's alum.  And when I checked the

> ingredients on my previous favorite antiperspirant, aluminum was the

> main ingredient.

> 

> Guess I'll stick to my safer deodorant rock after all!



Oh dear, have they stopped teaching simple chemistry in America as well. 

Alum is potassium aluminium sulphate.

Peter.Uk.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: rimac@ix.netcom.com (Rima Cooke )

Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:49:31 GMT



In <Pine.SGI.3.91.950929121938.5040B-100000@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

"Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> writes: 

>

>Yes, it's for real - mostly aluminum chloride (naturally occuring). 

Wet 

>the thing and rub it on the sweaty spots (my SIL uses it on her feet)

and 

>no more sweat-hence no smell

>

>Be careful - it acutally blocks the sweat glands.  Like some OTC 

>deodrants/antiperspants (Mitchem) it shouldn't be used daily.



Actually, the deodorant crystal is NOT an anti-perspirant. That's why

it's probably healthier as there are very good reasons for perspiring!

It does prevent the growth of the bacteria that causes odor - and does

it very well.  



>Cissy

>

Rima





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: layne@wimsey.com (Layne)

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 03:23:22 GMT



In article <44njvr$70s@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> rimac@ix.netcom.com (Rima Cooke ) 

writes:

>From: rimac@ix.netcom.com (Rima Cooke )

>Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

>Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:49:31 GMT



>In <Pine.SGI.3.91.950929121938.5040B-100000@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

>"Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> writes: 

>>

>>Yes, it's for real - mostly aluminum chloride (naturally occuring). 

>Wet 

>>the thing and rub it on the sweaty spots (my SIL uses it on her feet)

>and 

>>no more sweat-hence no smell

>>

>>Be careful - it acutally blocks the sweat glands.  Like some OTC 

>>deodrants/antiperspants (Mitchem) it shouldn't be used daily.



>Actually, the deodorant crystal is NOT an anti-perspirant. That's why

>it's probably healthier as there are very good reasons for perspiring!

>It does prevent the growth of the bacteria that causes odor - and does

>it very well.  



It works great!  I apply it as I get out of the shower (dry your hands so it 

doesn't slip out of your hand) when I'm still wet so the whole chrystal 

doesn't have to get wet and slippery!



It is wonderful if you have clothes that you don't want to have stained by 

deoderant chemicals.  I have several silk shirts and the chrystal hasn't 

ruined them like the other stuff did!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: jaquick@en.com

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 08:47:33 -0400



I've used the deodorant rocks, and found them to be the best thing going.

BUT...

<embarrassing confession> I found that mine picked up my odors.  My wife

had to get her own.



Anyone know why this might be, or a way to fix it?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Johanna Simpson)

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:54:09 GMT



 (jaquick@en.com) writes:

> I've used the deodorant rocks, and found them to be the best thing going.

> BUT...

> <embarrassing confession> I found that mine picked up my odors.  My wife

> had to get her own.

> 

> Anyone know why this might be, or a way to fix it?



        The deodorant rock I use is made from mineral salts of

        bauxite ore.  



        I find that it works best if it is rinsed in hot water

        before applying to each underarm.....that is...if I do not

        rinse it again before applying to the second arm, that arm

        will not stay fresh all day.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ?

From: spacey8@aol.com (Spacey8)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 15:45:31 -0400



I tried one of those deoderant rocks once, and only once.  By 5 oclock I

was pretty stinky (and I have an office job, I can't imagine what i would

have been like if I actually had to DO anything that day, like get out of

my chair and move around!!).  I guess I am just too manly for my own good,

but it didn't work for me.



: )



Tim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ? 

From: ecoli@cix.compulink.co.uk ("K N and P J Harris")

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:15:57 GMT



> ==========

> alt.folklore/herbs #3576, from celkins@ag.auburn.edu, 1810 chars, Fri 

 29 Sep 1995 22:23:25 

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> From: "Charles B. Elkins" <celkins@ag.auburn.edu>

> Subject: Re: Deodorant rock ? 

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<DFoCDJ.Jwt@dorsai.org> <picabia.118.000CB384@picabia.seanet.com> 

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> 

> It's probably an alum crystal - I suppose it makes the sweat glands 

> pucker-up so that there's no way sweat is going to get through. You 

can 

> see how it works by licking it, but your next meal may have to be 

liquid 

> through a straw. 

> 

> On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, ||{o}|| wrote:

> 

> > In article <DFoCDJ.Jwt@dorsai.org> nyts@news.dorsai.org (New York 

Theosophical Society) writes:

> > 

> > >: she uses a rock for deodorant.  She said she got it at a health 

food store

> > >: in Florida.  Is this for real and where might we look if it is 

true.

> > 

> > >        Not so much a rock as a man-made mineral crystal.  I have 

been 

> > >using one, and it works very well for me.

> > 

> > >        Bart Lidofsky

> > 

> > Shouldn't you let your friends and loved-ones be the judge of that?

> >  *BIG Grins*  -DDR

> > 

> > 

Almost certainly an alum crystal (Potassium aluminium sulphate) These 

are classic crystals to grow at school. Will work very well (I very much 

doubt if it is aluminium chloride as this will burn the hell out of you 

when in contact with water) The whole point of the alum is that it has a 

very low natural pH. So low that the smell producing bugs cannot 

flourish.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Deodorant rock ?

From: cswereda@uoguelph.ca (Coral B Swereda)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 05:08:09 GMT



Bauxite is, according to my dictionary, 'an impure mixture of earthy 

hydrous aluminum oxides and hydroxides... and is the principal source of 

aluminum.'  Alzheimer's is in my family, so I try to watch out for these 

things, too.



:)  Coral





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's claw

From: euro21@aol.com (Euro21)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 12:13:47 -0400



Re Cat's Claw, I have been taking Cat's Claw capsules 2x to 3x daily for

the past two months for treatment of diverticulosis (inflammation of the

colon).  Orthodox medicine was able to do nothing for me except diagnose

it and offer me heavy dosages of antibiotics that my system could not

tolerate.  They told me it was chronic, not life-threatening, and that

only radical surgery would "cure" it (ie., cut out that part of my colon

that was infected).

After 2 months of Cats Claw, symptoms are 95% gone at this point,

apparently permanently.  I also take 1  5-grain aspirin daily to combat

the inflammation -- my M.D. internist says that this self-therapy is

probably helping.  I have also written several drug companies that

specialize in digestive medications - no one is interested - you can't

patent Cat's claw, so why bother, I guess they figure.

I recommend this for anyone with colonic or similar problems - ONLY AFTER

YOU HAVE HAD A REAL DOCTOR MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING MORE SERIOUS

GOING ON - VIA M R I  OR CAT SCAN ETC.

I get my Cat's claw from Lametco,  Castle Rock, Colorado 80104.



Howard S.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Healing Formula

From: robert@spirit.reno.nv.us (Robert Roy)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 08:22:53 -0800



  COMPOUND X HEALING FORMULA

  has been used successfully by tribal people,and now modern americans

  for moles,warts,skin tags,sun skin damage,liver detox, 

  malignancies, chronic fatigue syndrom,allergies,

  viral deseases, tumors, yeast and fungal infections, herpes, 

  parasites,lupus,AIDS related symptoms,gum disease, and much more.

  Completely herbal, with no toxic side effects.



  Call Robert at (702) 324-4889 or 800-320-4884

  or fax at (702) 324-4884, look up our Web page at: 

  http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html

  or send an e-mail note to robert@spirit.reno.nv.us.



-- 

Let your food be your medicine and let your medicine be your food.

(Hippocrates)

http://lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Healing Formula

From: robert@spirit.reno.nv.us (Robert Roy)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 16:09:41 -0800



  COMPOUND X HEALING FORMULA

  has been used successfully by tribal people,and now modern americans

  for moles,warts,skin tags,sun skin damage,liver detox, 

  malignancies, chronic fatigue syndrom,allergies,

  viral deseases, tumors, yeast and fungal infections, herpes, 

  parasites,lupus,AIDS related symptoms,gum disease, and much more.

  Completely herbal, with no toxic side effects.



  Call Robert at (702) 324-4889 or 800-320-4884

  or fax at (702) 324-4884, look up our Web page at: 

  http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html

  or send an e-mail note to robert@spirit.reno.nv.us.



-- 

Let your food be your medicine and let your medicine be your food.

(Hippocrates)

http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alternative Healing Formula

From: mystic@news.dorsai.org (Michael Solomowitz)

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:09:14 GMT



Robert Roy (robert@spirit.reno.nv.us) wrote:

:   COMPOUND X HEALING FORMULA

:   has been used successfully by tribal people,and now modern americans

:   for moles,warts,skin tags,sun skin damage,liver detox, 

:   malignancies, chronic fatigue syndrom,allergies,

:   viral deseases, tumors, yeast and fungal infections, herpes, 

:   parasites,lupus,AIDS related symptoms,gum disease, and much more.

:   Completely herbal, with no toxic side effects.



:   Call Robert at (702) 324-4889 or 800-320-4884

:   or fax at (702) 324-4884, look up our Web page at: 

:   http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html

:   or send an e-mail note to robert@spirit.reno.nv.us.



     Another one trying to sell us the four (4) herb formula Essiac tea. 

Buddy, we know all about it already.  BTW it is the eight (8) herb 

formula whioch functions best.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Healing Formula

From: robert@spirit.reno.nv.us (Robert Roy)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:29:09 -0800



  COMPOUND X HEALING FORMULA

  has been used successfully by tribal people,and now modern americans

  for moles,warts,skin tags,skin malignancies,liver detox, 

  internal malignancies, chronic fatigue syndrome,allergies,

  viral deseases, tumors, yeast and fungal infections, herpes, 

  parasites,lupus,AIDS related symptoms,gum disease, and much more.

  Completely herbal, with no toxic side effects.



  Call Robert at (702) 324-4889 or 800-320-4884

  or fax at (702) 324-4884, look up our Web page at: 

  http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html

  or send an e-mail note to robert@spirit.reno.nv.us.



-- 

Let your food be your medicine and let your medicine be your food.

(Hippocrates)

http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alternative Healing Formula

From: robert@spirit.reno.nv.us (Robert Roy)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:36:15 -0800



  COMPOUND X HEALING FORMULA

  has been used successfully by tribal people,and now modern americans

  for moles,warts,skin tags,skin malignancies,liver detox, 

  internal malignancies, chronic fatigue syndrome,allergies,

  viral deseases, tumors, yeast and fungal infections, herpes, 

  parasites,lupus,AIDS related symptoms,gum disease, and much more.

  Completely herbal, with no toxic side effects.



  Call Robert at (702) 324-4889 or 800-320-4884

  or fax at (702) 324-4884, look up our Web page at: 

  http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html

  or send an e-mail note to robert@spirit.reno.nv.us.



-- 

Let your food be your medicine and let your medicine be your food.

(Hippocrates)

http://www.lablinks.com/sumeria/spirit/stidx.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aromatherapy newsgroup?

From: rab2505@cris.com (Ruth Butters)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 16:32:22 GMT



I know there's a usenet newsgroup on aromatherapy out there somewhere,

because I read it once - but now I can't locate it! Can any one give

me any advice on this? Is it an alt. group?



TIA!



R. Butters





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy newsgroup?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 16:38:11 



In article: <44m57d$cj@spectator.cris.com>  rab2505@cris.com (Ruth Butters) 

writes:

> 

> I know there's a usenet newsgroup on aromatherapy out there somewhere,

> because I read it once - but now I can't locate it! Can any one give

> me any advice on this? Is it an alt. group?

> 

> TIA!

> 

> R. Butters

> 



There is alt.aromatherapy

alt.folklore.aromatherapy

and a mailing list  aromatherapy@metron.com



to subscribe to the aromatherapy list mail to listserv@metron.com



put " subscribe aromatherapy " and your name on the first line of the message. 



instructions also at http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/sites.html

Also some other sites to look at.



Graham 

-- 

Watch this Cyberspace.....         Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant

(As mentioned in the Sunday Times of London Innovation WEBWATCH section.

17th September 1995)

We are not Physical beings having a spiritual experience

But Spiritual beings having a physical experience.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy newsgroup?

From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 18:33:48 GMT



In article <17890710wnr@fragrant.demon.co.uk> Graham Sorenson

<Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>In article: <44m57d$cj@spectator.cris.com>  rab2505@cris.com (Ruth Butters) 

>writes:

>> 

>> I know there's a usenet newsgroup on aromatherapy out there somewhere,

>> because I read it once - but now I can't locate it! Can any one give

>> me any advice on this? Is it an alt. group?

[...]

>There is alt.aromatherapy

>alt.folklore.aromatherapy

>and a mailing list  aromatherapy@metron.com

     Aromatherapy is specifically included in the charter of

misc.health.alternative.  There has also been discussion of aromatherapy in

alt.backrubs.  

-- 

Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'

<jamie@uwo.ca>                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Susun Weed / Ryan Drum

From: herbalmuse@aol.com (HerbalMuse)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 12:35:54 -0400



I haven't had personal experience with Susun Weed, but her workshops are

well known.  She's located just a few miles from my home.  A  PR package

of about her workshops were sent to my by a radio station (I'm a writer),

and if I dig real deep I can probably locate it.  Would that be helpful to

you?



Also - Susun does alot of writing herself.  She is a wiccan priestess, and

has alot of experience with medicinal herbs.  She's authored several

articles (most recently in New Age Magazine) and has published two books.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Books

From: herbalmuse@aol.com (HerbalMuse)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 12:36:16 -0400



The Herbal Muse Press is dedicated to helping the herbal enthusiast

enhance their lives by providing practical guidance to caring for

ourselves, herbal arts, and household formulas which cultivate harmony

with nature.  We have the following titles available:



How to Make Herbal Cosmetics

Herbal Breads & Spreads

How to make Herbal Incense & Candles

Healing with Herbs

Gardens that Dye

Herbal Cleaning



If you would like to receive a brochure, email your request, or write to: 

THE HERBAL MUSE PRESS, 5 Birchwood Drive South, Saugerties, NY  12477.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help with tendonitis

From: misterplus@aol.com (MisterPlus)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 13:13:10 -0400



I have had great success with a pycnogenol product.  I have carpal tunnel

in my left wrist from playing the guitar for 25 years.  Sometimes it would

swell up the size of an egg, and I couldn't bend it at all.  I've been

taking the product about two months and i am now pain free.



I still play the guitar professionally about 8 to 10 times a month.



Take care....Tony





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: help with tendonitis

From: blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:49:33 -0400



Have you tried magnetic therapy?  I don't sell the magnets,

nor do I sell the book I wrote.  But through writing The Wellness

Testimonial Bible I learned a lot about people who have had

success with the use of magnetic devices.



If you're interested, I can pass your name along to those who

do sell the book - as well as the magnets.  The testimonials

I compiled for the book include a lot with symptoms such as

you have.  Hope this helps relieve the pain.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Nurse in need of Info

From: jsmith1@prairienet.org (Jenny Smith)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 17:39:35 GMT



Hi Mary!

  I'm a Women's Health NP, and many of my patients come into my

practice already using some types of herbal therapy.  I've had

to educate myself about the different herbal treatments and how

to integrate them into allopathic medicine (or vice versa).  I

have truly enjoyed learning more about herbal therapy, and have

been a believer in its therapeutic effects.  

  Like you, I would also like to know if there is a good

resource/reference available about herbs and drug interactions.



If you learn of one, please let me know!  I wish you the best

with your thesis work!



Sincerely,

Jenny Smith, RNC, WHNP :)

-- 

O Great Spirit, help me always to speak the truth quietly,

To listen with an open mind when others speak,

And to remember the peace that may be found in silence.

                              -----Cherokee Prayer





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nurse in need of Info

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 19:39:16 -0400



>RN would like to know if there is a good reference about herb/drug

interactions...



So far, we haven't been able to find the definitive reference on this

subject -- probably because the drug people don't study herbs and the herb

people don't study drugs (since NDs are starting to be licensed to

prescribe drugs in WA, I can see a great potential for such a reference).



However, some good places to start are:



Herbal Drugs & Phytopharmaceuticals by Max Wichtl (English trans. Norman

Bisset)

German reference of herbal drug therapy written for pharmacists and

medical doctors.  One draw back is that it concentrates on herbal drugs

used in Europe and ignores some of the more popular Chinese and American

herbs. It is also expensive ($189) and a little hard to find.



The Healing Power of Herbs by Michael T. Murray, ND

Nice reference on a wide variety of herbs written by the author of the

Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.  Michael does a good job of reporting

the latest research and any potential toxicity.  One thing that I like

about his books are his large list of references for each chapter, making

it easy for you to do deeper research via Medline or local hospital

library.  This is available in trade paperback, reasonably priced

($15.95), and very easy to find as Michael is a popular author.



The Honest Herbal by Varro Tyler, PhD

If you want to know about any potential problem, Tyler would probably list

it.  Tyler is a professor of pharmacognosy at Purdue University and he

tends to give the negative side of herbal medicine in this book.   The

book has been around for several years and is fairly easy to find.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nurse in need of Info

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 08:25:16 GMT



healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:

>

> >RN would like to know if there is a good reference about herb/drug

> interactions...

> 

> So far, we haven't been able to find the definitive reference on this

> subject -- probably because the drug people don't study herbs and the herb

> people don't study drugs (since NDs are starting to be licensed to

> prescribe drugs in WA, I can see a great potential for such a reference).

> 

> However, some good places to start are:

> 

> Herbal Drugs & Phytopharmaceuticals by Max Wichtl (English trans. Norman

> Bisset)

> German reference of herbal drug therapy written for pharmacists and

> medical doctors.  One draw back is that it concentrates on herbal drugs

> used in Europe and ignores some of the more popular Chinese and American

> herbs. It is also expensive ($189) and a little hard to find.

> 

> The Healing Power of Herbs by Michael T. Murray, ND

> Nice reference on a wide variety of herbs written by the author of the

> Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.  Michael does a good job of reporting

> the latest research and any potential toxicity.  One thing that I like

> about his books are his large list of references for each chapter, making

> it easy for you to do deeper research via Medline or local hospital

> library.  This is available in trade paperback, reasonably priced

> ($15.95), and very easy to find as Michael is a popular author.

> 

> The Honest Herbal by Varro Tyler, PhD

> If you want to know about any potential problem, Tyler would probably list

> it.  Tyler is a professor of pharmacognosy at Purdue University and he

> tends to give the negative side of herbal medicine in this book.   The

> book has been around for several years and is fairly easy to find.  

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com



All these are good see alsoEncyclopedia of herbs and herbalism by malcolm stewar

t

He was a chemist before he became aherbalist.

Michael Bailes. 

 The Fragrant Garden 25 Portsmouth Road  Erina 2250 N.S.W, Australia.

Telephone local  Fax: 043 65 1979  Voice 043 67 7322 Freecall 1800 815772  Telep

hone overseas Fax: 61 43 65 1979  Voice  61 43 67 7322  E-Mail: frgntgar@ozemail

.com.au





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nurse in need of Info

From: camilla@primenet.com (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 04:17:29 GMT



Jenny Smith (jsmith1@prairienet.org) wrote:

:   Like you, I would also like to know if there is a good

: resource/reference available about herbs and drug interactions.



: If you learn of one, please let me know!  I wish you the best

: with your thesis work!



Me too!  I think you have to use your knowledge about the underlying

mechanisms of how drugs work and apply to herbs.  So people on coumadin

or heparin should be careful of herbs containing coumarins, for example.

Folks taking antidepressants need to careful when taking herbs that

contain MAOIs.  Valerian appears to potentiate sedative effects of

tranquillizers and antidepressants.



I use Medline a lot and Varro Tyler's book.  There's a surprising amount

of stuff on herbs available on Medline.  Not all the research is high

quality, and unfortunately, little is on humans.  But it provides a

surprising amount of info on mechanism of action.  Look under the

Latin name of the herb.  I suggest that you compile a list of the

20 or 50 most commonly used herbs and post the list here.  On specific

herbs, we may have info you can use.    



Since you're at the masters level in nursing, you probably already

know all about Medline.  But just in case you don't:



                           MEDLINE FAQ



Originally compiled by Gregory W. Froehlich, M.D.

A few additions and modifications by me.



> I've been hearing a lot about "med-line".  What exactly is it, what

> is it used for, and can you access it via internet?



I'll quote from the National Library of Medicine:



"Thousands of new books and articles in biomedicine are published every

month.  How can a health professional or investigator easily locate

literature relevant to a particular area of patient care or research?

  

Since the early 1970's, the National Library of Medicine (NLM) has made

searching the biomedical literature faster and easier by providing

online information retrieval on the MEDLARS, (MEDical Literature

Analysis and Retrieval System) family of databases.  MEDLINE - NLM's

premier database - has over 7 million citations to biomedical articles

and is searched more than eighteen thousand times a day.



The cheapest way to access Medline is to attend a school or

university with a medical library.  Many schools give free medline

access to students.  Some university medical libraries will provide

free Medline access to the public: this varies with the school and

the state in which it's located.  It's worth checking out.  A few

municipal public libraries also offer free access.



It's also possible to get a direct account and search Medline from

your home.  However, there is no free way to do this.



In order to make searching even easier and provide a user-friendly way

to use the MEDLARS system, NLM, in 1986, developed a software package

called Grateful Med.  The simplicity and efficiency of searching with

Grateful Med have made it immensely popular -more than 50,000 copies of

the software have been sold since its introduction." (You can also

access Medline through commerical services like PaperChase, etc- more

costly).



Step 1:  Get a user ID/password.  You can call the National Technical

Information Service at 1-800-423-9255 for info, or write to them at:



              NTIS

              5285 Port Royal Road

              Springfield, VA 22161



Or, you can be a cyberstud and get the application form 'userid.txt'

by anonymous ftp from nlmpubs.nlm.nih.gov in the directory /online/medlars.



Step 2: Decide whether to use a front end (Grateful Med) or to learn

how to communicate directly with MEDLINE (HINT: pick door #1). 

Download it from the same server above (check through the /grateful

directory for the files you need) or order it from NTIS (see Step 1, or

get the order form 'gmorder.txt' in the directory /online/medlars). 

It's $30 or so the latter way.



Step 3: If you decide against using Grateful Med, you can access

MEDLINE through programs like Telnet at medlars.nlm.nih.gov.  You'll

need an ID/password.  You can also access MEDLINE through commercial

services such as PaperChase (Telnet to pch.bih.harvard.edu, enter

pch,signup when it asks for password)



$$$: NTIS charges for access; I seem to pay about a dollar a search. 

Hourly charges work out to about $20/hour, but some searches, where

abstracts are retrieved can be more expensive.  Commercial services

like PaperChase (available on CompuServe) are also more expensive.



: Sincerely,

: Jenny Smith, RNC, WHNP :)

: -- 

: O Great Spirit, help me always to speak the truth quietly,

: To listen with an open mind when others speak,

: And to remember the peace that may be found in silence.

:                               -----Cherokee Prayer



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Nurse in need of Info

From: herbalmuse@kotl.com

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:52:00 EST



>  I'm a Women's Health NP, and many of my patients come into my

>practice already using some types of herbal therapy.  I've had

>to educate myself about the different herbal treatments and how

>to integrate them into allopathic medicine (or vice versa).  I



Hi Jenny!  This response comes from the Alt. Herbal newsgroup of course.

I'm wondering...just what is allopathic medicine?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Nurse in need of Info

From: dsm2@ix.netcom.com (sherree moore )

Date: 4 Oct 1995 03:02:53 GMT



In <44acei$q4s@newsbf02.news.aol.com> baconmary@aol.com (Bacon Mary) 

writes: 



>

>

>

Mary, I would recommend as a reference, "The Scientific Validation of 

Herbal Medicine", Daniel B. Mowrey, PhD, Keats Pub. Inc. This book 

doesn't specifically deal with interactions btwn drugs and herbs, 

however it does supply a great deal of references that might be useful 

to your thesis. It is also a great read. Good luck.



Sherree





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Migraine

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 11:05:00 -0640



Dear F.S., I make myself a tincture by putting Feverfew, Scullcap,

Gingo, Passionflower, Gota Kola, Mugwort, Rosemary, Lavender and Wood

Betony in 190 proof Grain Alcohol for a month. I put 10 drops of

this in my morning coffee every day, It has helped reduce the frequency

and severity of my headaches dramaticly. I too have a severe Ragweed

pollen allergy, I have experienced no ill effects from my home made

tincture. My Otoneurologist reccommended Feverfew originally and has no

problem with herbal treatment.   Bella









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: dream pillows

From: angharad@mindspring.com (Sandy Roberts)

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:03:08 -0400



From: shrimper@gate.net

Subject: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

Date: 24 Sep 1995 17:05:03 GMT



My daughter is interested in making Dream Pillows as X-mas gifts.  It's supposed

 to assist in sleep and 

having pleasant dreams.  It's made with various herbs and she wants to know what

 herbs.  Any 



I tried to email this response and for whatever reason could not get it to go 

through so I will post this and hope that the response is seen.  Here are some 

sleep mix recipes.  Hope this helps.  Recipe file is attached.

UUENCODED by Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B]



[This section was removed and saved as file C:\EUNET\AGENT\TEMP\sleepmix.wps]



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Natural Health Jobs Listing

From: stevem@cruzio.com

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:07:21 GMT



     RE:      JOB NOTICES

     DATE:    9-28-95



     DIRECTOR OF FORMULATION: R & D opportunity with leading supplements

     manufacturer based in Santa Cruz, CA. Rainbow Light Nutritional

     Systems seeks talented individual with extensive knowledge of the

     natural health industry, herbal therapies and nutritional science.

     Must be knowledgeable about trends in the industry and related

     research ingredients. Work in conjunction with company management

     team and staff to develop and refine new product concepts, formulas

     and strategy. Fax cover letter, resume and salary history to:

     Human Resources Dept., Rainbow Light R/D, (408) 429-0189 or mail to

     P. 0. Box 600, Santa Cruz, CA 95061. EOE



     DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS: Leading supplements manufacturer seeks

     highly skilled professional with extensive background in plant

     operations in pharmaceutical/food/natural products industry.

     Responsibilities include project and budget development, staff

     management, and oversee all aspects of production, research and

     implementation of new manufacturing processes with rapid company

     growth and change. Minimum 5 years operations and management

     experience required. Excellent organizational and interpersonal

     communications skills. Fax cover letter, resume and salary history

     to: Human Resources Dept., Rainbow Light D/O, (408) 429-0189 or

     mail to P. 0. Box 600, Santa Cruz, CA 95061. EOE



     MARKETING DIRECTOR: Leading supplements manufacturer seeks highly

     skilled marketing professional. Responsibilities to include:

     strategic planning, new products planning and development,

     advertising and media management and graphics design

     responsibility. Must have minimum 5 years marketing and management

     experience.     Excellent  organizational  and  interpersonal

     communication skills. Fax cover letter, resume and salary history

     to: Human Resources Dept., Rainbow Light M/D, (408) 429-0189 or

     mail to P. 0. Box 600, Santa Cruz, CA 95061. EOE



     SALES REPRESENTATIVE. Rainbow Light Nutritional Systems is a

     progressive, growing company and a leading supplier of nutritional

     supplements to natural food stores. We are seeking a highly

     motivated professional with two years outside selling experience.

     Industry experience or consumer sales a plus. The successful

     candidate has strong organizational and training skills and the

     ability to open new business and expand current accounts. Salary,

     bonus, and excellent benefits package. Nationwide opportunities

     available. Fax cover letter, resume and salary history to: Leslie

     Mixon, Sales Administrator, (408) 457-5895. EOE.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: <tnc@acpub.duke.edu>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 19:26:19 GMT



Actually, back- and ab-strengthening exercises would help your friend's 

pain -- these are the muscles that support the back, and weak abs are 

very common, causing a pelvic tilt. Therefore the proliferation of lower 

back pain. Regular situps might do the trick, and wouldn't hurt, anyhow!



TC





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: michaela@gauntlet.com (Michaela Grey)

Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 19:48:27 -0700



> PI>From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

> PI>Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

> 

> PI>In message ID <xtPg27B.oracle9@delphi.com> on 9/27/95, bob wrote:

> 

> PI>: Can you please help me out?  My good friend has chronic lower

> PI>: back and hip pain.  The best thing he has found to help him is

> PI>: something called "Chinese Black Pills", but his health food

> PI>: store cannot find them anymore.  He really is suffering and he

> PI>: would be so appreciative if someone can tell me where to find

> PI>: them.  I hope you can help him.  Thanks for your time.



Have your friend look for a qualified CranioSacral bodyworker. He also may

want to seek out a deep myofascial tissue bodyworker better known as a

Rolfer.

Michaela Grey

Whose cold sore is almost gone thanks to Vitamin C in massive quantities!!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 21:28:05 GMT



In article <michaela-0110951948270001@sf-108.sfo.com> Michaela Grey

<michaela@gauntlet.com> wrote:

>Have your friend look for a qualified CranioSacral bodyworker. He also may

>want to seek out a deep myofascial tissue bodyworker better known as a

>Rolfer.

     If you are insterested in these types of therapies then you should

read alt.backrubs.  The alt.backrubs archive's back.pain file may be

especially helpful.

-- 

Jamie Blustein                                                    <jamie@uwo.ca>

    Answers to questions frequently asked in alt.backrubs are available via

           anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu in pub/usenet/alt.backrubs

            (ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/alt.answers/backrubs/faq)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Marilyn,Probe:,mprobe@artsci.wutsl.edu

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: Marilyn Probe <mprobe@artsci.wutsl.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 05:28:19 GMT



 You might try a Tachyon belt and disk. They have done wonders for me. 

Write  me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: p_iannone@pop.com

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: Marilyn Probe <mprobe@artsci.wutsl.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 05:30:08 GMT



 You might try a Tachyon belt and disk. They have done wonders for me. 

Write  me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Back Pain - HELP!

From: rbarrentine@delphi.com

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:23:18 -0500



Hello, Yes, use Saint John's Wort - this is excellant for sciatica, bad backs

and any sprains. To your friends good health.

Robert





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia vs Aspartame (long article)

From: dds@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Debbie Shutts)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 20:02:56 GMT



White Fox (charget@ix.netcom.com) wrote:



: The following has been copied in it's entirety from Dr. Julian

: Whitaker's Health & Healing, December 1994 Vol. 4, No. 12.



:      This is a Tale of Two Sweeteners, full of sound and fury,



<snip>



:      Stevia is an herb that has been used as a sweetener in South



<snip>



This is very interesting.  One of my doctors said aspartame was

a straight toxin, the other recommended it.  I have systemic

candidiasis & can't have sugar <pout>.  I was looking for alternatives.

Stevia was mentioned in _The Yeast Connection Cookbook_.  Are you

saying we can't buy it?  



I'm also wondering how the body deals with Stevia.  Will it

treat it as a sugar & therefore feed the yeast?



--

                                  Debbie



dds@dana.ucc.nau.edu                                   dds@pine.cse.nau.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia vs Aspartame (long article)

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:07:23 GMT



Not only will stevia no feed the yeast it actually helps the 

condition.



I also have Stevia in an extract from China, its very sweet.



I sell it for  $19.95 for 10 grams, that goes a long way and 

you can cook with it too!



In Health,



Robert Green, ND





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia vs Aspartame (long article)

From: charget@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 22:17:26 GMT



dds@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Debbie Shutts) wrote:



>This is very interesting.  One of my doctors said aspartame was

>a straight toxin, the other recommended it.  I have systemic

>candidiasis & can't have sugar <pout>.  I was looking for alternatives.

>Stevia was mentioned in _The Yeast Connection Cookbook_.  Are you

>saying we can't buy it?  



>I'm also wondering how the body deals with Stevia.  Will it

>treat it as a sugar & therefore feed the yeast?



Good question.  I haven't been able to find anything that specifically

deals with the use of Stevia by people with Candidiasis in enough

detail to judge in either a negative or a positive manner.  (Possibly

due to the lack of availability from practically being drummed out of

the country?)   Yet I have found a few mentions that diabetics have

been able to use Stevia, leading one to believe that the body in fact

does not treat it in the same manner as sugar.  



I understand that it is readily available in many other countries but

this is all I could find in what I have for available sources in the

USA. This information is also a tad dated being nearly a year old.



White Stevia Powder is available from the Body Ecology Diet in

Atlanta, GA at 800-896-7838 or 404-266-1366.



Stevia tea is available from Consumer Direct in Tempe, AZ at

800-899-9908.



Someone also posted in an earlier thread about the ability to buy the

Stevia plants from Richter's I believe(?).  That may be an alternative

for you to try and grow your own supply until we reach that wonderful

day where we convince the FDA to do it's job and quit poisoning us.

:)  One can always have hope.



Bless.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Stevia vs Aspartame (long article)

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 09:12:59 MST



In article <456u8i$po6@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> charget@ix.netcom.com (White Fox) 

writes:





>Good question.  I haven't been able to find anything that specifically

>deals with the use of Stevia by people with Candidiasis in enough

>detail to judge in either a negative or a positive manner.  (Possibly

>due to the lack of availability from practically being drummed out of

>the country?)   Yet I have found a few mentions that diabetics have

>been able to use Stevia, leading one to believe that the body in fact

>does not treat it in the same manner as sugar.  



>White Fox



It is not sugar, so why would the body treat it that way?  It doesn't even 

remotely resemble sugar - it is non caloric, a decay PREVENTING dentifrice and 

used as a powdered leaf or derivitive thereof.          -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Harvesting Gingko

From: JHBENTON@deimos.oit.umass.edu (Joel H Benton)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 20:41:00 GMT



I am interested in the medicinal properties of the herb Gingko and have been

using it moderately for about 6 months and seem to be benefiting by it. My

question is whether there are any drawbacks in harvesting it from trees

growing nearby or are there some processes necessary befor e ingestino? There

are several large Gingko trees on campus and it would be nice (and cheaper(0)

to gather them for use. Would there be any spraying of these trees etc?Thanks

in advance. Jay Bee.                       m





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb seeds and cuttings to swap..........anyone?

From: gardenbuff@aol.com (GardenBuff)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 16:45:10 -0400



would anyone be interested in swapping herb seeds and cuttings,I have a

small nursery here in Sarasota, Florida......and have many things to swap

for things that I am looking for , like cuttings from pineapple sage,

pineapple mint, or any unusual mints,and any bamboo roots......I have

chocolate mint, orange mint, applemint, and spearmint, hyssop, lemon

grass, and arrowroot to name a few....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Schools

From: davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 17:41:32 -0400



Can anyone tell me where I can get a listing of herbal schools in Southern

CA?

Also, what about correspondence courses?  Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Schools

From: baconmary@aol.com (Bacon Mary)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 21:25:10 -0400



I just started the east west school of herbalism in Santa Cruz.  It is

offered as a correspondance course.  so far I think it is excellent.

Mary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Schools

From: Ken Luchini <KLuchini@lbl.gov>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 00:48:01 GMT



davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY) wrote:

>

> Can anyone tell me where I can get a listing of herbal schools in Southern

> CA?

> Also, what about correspondence courses?  Thanks.



I recommend Institute of Chinese Herbology in Oakland, CA.

They have a comprehensive correspondence course in Chinese

Herbal Medicine.  Also, included in the course is Chinese

medicine theory, along with Chinese diagnostic techniques,

both of which are very powerful.  They advertise in Natural

Health Magazine.  Good luck!



Ken





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GREY HAIR

From: davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 17:52:54 -0400



Does anyone know what the cause of grey hair is?  (Please, no jokes) 

There must be a deficiency of something in the body.  Other than hair

coloring, is there a natural treatment to correct what is lacking.    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR

From: bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom)

Date: Mon,  2 Oct 1995 15:05:00 GMT



DK>From: davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY)

DK>Subject: GREY HAIR



DK>Does anyone know what the cause of grey hair is?  (Please, no jokes)

DK>There must be a deficiency of something in the body.  Other than hair

DK>coloring, is there a natural treatment to correct what is lacking.



        Believe me, if any one knew the answer to that, they would be

        millionaires--no BILLIONaires.  :)



Bill Malcom



---

 * SLMR 2.1a * Adam to Eve:  "I wear the PLANTS in this family"!   :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR            

From: iss@ripco.com (R.M.K.)

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:39:46 GMT



To: ALL

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR



davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY)  wrote:



D>Does anyone know what the cause of grey hair is?  (Please, no jokes)

 >There must be a deficiency of something in the body.  Other than hair

 >coloring, is there a natural treatment to correct what is lacking.



age-related loss of hair pigment is due to free-radical damage to

melanocytes... which are the pigment producing cells of hair... this

damage can result from several problems, which can be complex.



Hair 'vitamins' may help... and PABA supplements help a few people.

Fo-Ti herb can help restore color also... just don't expect results

overnight... it takes 1-2 months before any pigmentation increase will

be noticed.



Rob.



---

  QMPro 1.53  OO------>--->-->->> iss@ripco.com <<-<--<---<-----OO

                                                                                

                                 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: GREY HAIR

From: ayurveda@iconz.co.nz (Mike MacDonald)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:30:30 GMT



In article <44n2jm$k8t@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, davidskey@aol.com says...

>

>Does anyone know what the cause of grey hair is?  (Please, no jokes) 

>There must be a deficiency of something in the body.  Other than hair

>coloring, is there a natural treatment to correct what is lacking.    



David !



Try AMALAKI oil from some reputable supplier.   Rub it into your hair 

before your shower in the morning and then wash it out with a vegetable 

oil soap in the shower.



Avoid using detergent shampoos.  This stuff actually makes your hair 

grow, if you keep on using it.



What causes hair to go gray is basically excess fire element in the body, 

causing certain body elements to 'burn out' which brings about the ashen 

appearance of the hair.



In ayurveda, it is considered due to thinking patterns.



Feel free to contact me either by email or post if you want more 

information.



Good luck , Best regards 



Mike MacDonald





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: ozzyo1111@aol.com

Subject: Re: catnip

From: molly tull <mtull@wsu.edu>

Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:19:42 GMT



ozzyo1111@aol.com (OzzyO 1111) wrote:

>does anyone know any thing about catnip i mean anything

catnip is a narcotic, but only for cats. if you were to take some, all 

you'd succeed in doing is making yourself sick. however, you should keep 

it away from dogs (i know someone whose pekingnese became extremely 

addicted to it when given a cat toy to play with).





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: catnip

From: ozzyo1111@aol.com (OzzyO 1111)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 20:56:27 -0400



does anyone know a world wide web address for any info on catnip





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: ozzyo1111@aol.com

Subject: Re: catnip

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 01:34:29 GMT



ozzyo1111@aol.com (OzzyO 1111) wrote:

>does anyone know a world wide web address for any info on catnip



Try Henriette's home page at:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/



Also try Algy's Herb Page, It's hiding in my bookmarks 

somewhere....



Take care,

Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group



P.S. From personal experience, I  can say be careful where 

you plant catnip.  I planted it once in my herb garden and 

two years later had 150 acres of it!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catnip

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 12:09:07 GMT



molly tull <mtull@wsu.edu> wrote:

<snip>

>catnip is a narcotic, but only for cats. if you were to take some, all 

>you'd succeed in doing is making yourself sick. 



 Hey, now.. it makes an excellent bedtime tea. We usually have a cup of 

catnip once or twice a week. Makes you sleepy, of course... but never 

sick, at least in my experience. Tastes good, too. Historically catnip 

has been used to help children fall asleep. I've always wondered what the 

active compound was though-- anyone know anything about it?



>however, you should keep 

>it away from dogs (i know someone whose pekingnese became extremely 

>addicted to it when given a cat toy to play with).

 ...so it's ok if I let my cat get stoned, but the dog has to play it 

straight?? :>



Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catnip

From: jessicar@blarg.net

Date: 6 Oct 1995 00:21:56 GMT



In <450ht3$pld@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> writes:

>molly tull <mtull@wsu.edu> wrote:

><snip>

>>catnip is a narcotic, but only for cats. if you were to take some, all 

>>you'd succeed in doing is making yourself sick. 



Not true.  I use it to ease my upset stomache.  It's also a slight sedative

for humans.



Meow, 

Jessica

_________________________________

Jessica Rabbit, The Next Generation:



I'm not bad, I just type that way.

_________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catnip

From: Marylin.Kraker@bbs.c4systm.com (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 09:49:56 GMT



molly tull <mtull@wsu.edu> writes:



> ozzyo1111@aol.com (OzzyO 1111) wrote:

> >does anyone know any thing about catnip i mean anything

> catnip is a narcotic, but only for cats. if you were to take some, all 

> you'd succeed in doing is making yourself sick. however, you should keep 

> it away from dogs (i know someone whose pekingnese became extremely 

> addicted to it when given a cat toy to play with).

> 

Catnip is one of the mints. Catnip tea is fine for humans and, like other    

mints, can help an upset stomach. It may also have a calming, relaxing

effect used at bedtime.



Health,

Marylin

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: catnip

From: toadie@netcom.com (Toadslayer)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:09:16 GMT





Actually there is a getwell tea I make that has catnip in it...

equal parts of catnip, spearmint, lemonbalm, and chammomile. (Got it from 

some book years ago.. don't remember what its called.) and it had a 

slightly sedative effect.. but then again Tylenol puts me to sleep.. so 

it might depend on your metabolism. :)



-- 

"Great things come in small packages."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs & animals

From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

Date: 1 Oct 1995 23:54:57 GMT



         I need all the information I can get about herbs/herbal

remedies and how they can affect animals...good/bad.

                            Also...I was wondering...the herb

stoneroot, otherwise known as horseweed is told to affect horses...but

how?

                     Please e-mail any info. to: nella@ix.netcom.com

                  THANKS!*BB*





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: nella@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: herbs & animals

From: Phyllis Woods <thewoods@teleport.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 02:54:35 GMT



Angela,

I suggest a book called, "The Complete Herbal Handbook for the Dog

and Cat" by Juliette de Bairacli Levy.  It's got lots of good 

information about herbal care for dogs/cats.  



Sorry...I don't have any info to offer about horseweed.



Phyllis





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs & animals

From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

Date: 3 Oct 1995 07:33:04 GMT



In <44n9oh$jeg@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L.

Garner ) writes: 

>

>         I need all the information I can get about herbs/herbal

>remedies and how they can affect animals...good/bad.

>                            Also...I was wondering...the herb

>stoneroot, otherwise known as horseweed is told to affect horses...but

>how?

>                     Please e-mail any info. to: nella@ix.netcom.com

>                  THANKS!*BB*





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs & animals

From: charget@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 22:17:30 GMT



nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner ) wrote:



>         I need all the information I can get about herbs/herbal

>remedies and how they can affect animals...good/bad.

>                            Also...I was wondering...the herb

>stoneroot, otherwise known as horseweed is told to affect horses...but

>how?



All the information regarding animals and herbs while not as massive

as that regarding people and herbs is still pretty extensive.  There

are several books available but I only have the titles for those for

dogs and cats and I'm guessing by your post that you are asking for

those in relation to horses.  If you have a local health food store

with a good book section you may want to check there for titles

pertaining to holistic health in "farm animals".



>                     Please e-mail any info. to: nella@ix.netcom.com



ahhh, the wonders of netiquette...



Hope this helps.



Bless.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: (no subject)

From: Donna Howell <INTERNET:DonnaHowel@aol.com>

Date: 1 Oct 1995 23:57:00 GMT



Hey, anybody have any idea where I can buy cola EXTRACT... basically 

anything that's just cola or a cola formula with NO SWEETENER ADDED (no 

sugars, no aspartame (NutraSweet)--cyclamates or saccharin would be okay 

though) and, eek, if possible, no caffeine.  The last part might be 

tough since I understand it's rather native to cola.



My doc has put me on a no caffeine, no aspartame, no sugars regimen for 

very good reason.  But, being a cola nut, I would like to now attempt to 

make my own.  No, I'm not kidding!  Carbonated KoolAid just isn't 

cutting it.



Thanks.



DonnaHowel@aol.com (please e-mail as well as post your answer)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 02 Oct 1995 02:46:55 GMT



In message ID <44n9sc$4f3@dub-news-svc-3.compuserve.com> on 10/1/95, Donna

Howell wrote:



: My doc has put me on a no caffeine, no aspartame, no sugars regimen for 

: very good reason.  But, being a cola nut, I would like to now attempt to 

: make my own.  No, I'm not kidding!  Carbonated KoolAid just isn't 

: cutting it.



No sugars? Then how are you making KoolAid?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:01:44 GMT



Paul-- you can buy Koolaid in little packets which contain only the color 

and flavor-- you are supposed to buy the sugar to add. More or less this 

rather intense cherry-red somewhat sour stuff that dyes your mouth to 

match the packet. My brother and I tried it plain as kids-- took it on a 

hiking trip by accident. We were not impressed.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 02 Oct 1995 15:32:30 GMT



In message ID <44onro$1r0@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> on 10/2/95, Liz Jones

wrote:



: Paul-- you can buy Koolaid in little packets which contain only the color 

: and flavor-- you are supposed to buy the sugar to add. More or less this 

: rather intense cherry-red somewhat sour stuff that dyes your mouth to 

: match the packet. My brother and I tried it plain as kids-- took it on a 

: hiking trip by accident. We were not impressed.

: Liz



Live and learn. Surprisingly, I was never taught this in acupuncture school!

What a defective education I have had....



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:14:15 GMT



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

<snip>

>Live and learn. Surprisingly, I was never taught this in acupuncture school!

>What a defective education I have had....

>

>--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

>--

Paul: I would be most amused to see what an acupuncturist might do with 

packets of cherry flavored dye.

 Seems to me you might be able to produce scratch and sniff tattoos. 

Maybe with some kind of a "Good Luck and Great Health" inscription in 

elegant Chinese characters. Red is a lucky color anyhow, isn't it?

Not quite sure what effects subcutaneous koolaid might have on the 

system, though...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Poison,Ivy

Subject: (no subject)

From: Lorraine Cherry <lcherry@son1.nur.uth.tmc.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 18:24:00 GMT



Andrew Weil suggests that the best thing to cure the itching of poison 

ivy is a very, very hot shower (as hot as you can stand it, short of 

actually burning your skin.)  This will itch almost unbearably as you do 

it, but then the itching miraculously stops and doesn't return for as 

long as four-five hours.  Repeat as needed.  I had a very severe case of 

poison ivy this summer, and can swear that this is the only thing that 

really worked for me.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: (no subject)

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 21:29:20 GMT



I am planning on taking Jeanne Rose's herbal course through Cheryl's 

Herbs in St. Louis.



1) Has anyone ever taken the course, and if so,what did you think?



2) Does anyone know of any really good places to buy herbs and such in 

CHICAGO??  I just moved here not too long ago from Santa Fe and I am not 

finding the quality I found there....my suspicion is that this is because 

I do not know where to look......



Any help is appreciated!!!



Thanks!



Melissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: (no subject)

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 21:37:59 GMT



I have these nasty huge bugs that come with living in a vintage walk-up. 

I think they are called "earwigs" -- lots of legs, huge, dark in color 

with two feelers or longer legs in front.



I have a cat and I am not keen on using chemicals to get rid of these 

pests......is there some herb or herbal mix that can help me get rid of 

these icky creatures without harming humans or pets???



Thanks in advance for your help!!



Best regards,



Melissa



PS -- please e-mail me with info @ melissa.abraham@teldta.com



Thanks again!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: Melatonin questions

From: RCHAMP@EUROPA.UMUC.EDU (Robert Champ)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 01:12:06 GMT



My experience with melatonin has not been positive.  It has the paradoxical

effect of keeping me awake.  I have only tried it three or four times

and perhaps am not giving it a fair chance, but, hey, I already have a

hard time sleeping and don't need any help in that way.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Melatonin questions

From: brentb@ionet.net (Brent Barber)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:42:38 -0600



Some participants in this thread have complained that melatonin causes

hypertension or "jumpiness" and therefore does not aid in sleep. I have

found through extensive trail by error testing that even someone with

multiple chemical sensitivity like myself can benefit from this

supplement. The key is to find a manufactuerer that encapsulates the

melatonin with the least reactive filler. I have found the NOW brand to

work the best. They use white rice powder in small capsules. Other

manufactuerers use magnesium stearate, starch, chalk, and a host of other

tableting agents and binders. Most of these do not even disclose what they

use for filler. As the thereapeutic dose is usually 3 mg, and the size of

the capsule ranges from 100 to 500 mg, you can readily see how the filler

could have an important impact on your individual response, depending upon

your sensitivity to the particular filler used.



-- 

- brentb@ionet.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What is Triphala?

From: charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:50:23 GMT



Greetings,



My mother has recently been to a nutritionist and, among many other 

supplements,he gave her Triphala.  She wants to know what it is, how it works

and for what types of problems it is used. She thinks that it is a Chinese 

herb. Thank you in advance for any replies.



                                ---Charles





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Triphala?

From: ricks@vivanet.com (Rick Scott)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 14:57:36 GMT



Triphala is an Ayurvedic herbal mixture that consists of equal

parts of amalaki (rich in vitamin C), bibitake, and haritake.



In Ayurveda, triphala is generally considered THE digestive tonic.

Over time, it will strengthen many aspects of the digestive process,

including assimilation, regularity, etc.



Indians often refer to it as "mother's milk."



It has a very sour, astringent taste.



Rick



*************************************************************

************************ Rick Scott *************************

************* S.O.U.N.D., H.E.R.B., MurMur, GATB ************

********************* ricks@vivanet.com *********************

*************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Triphala?

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:43:53 MST



In article <44nk1f$h09@gap.cco.caltech.edu> charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. 

Ofria) writes:

>From: charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria)

>Subject: What is Triphala?

>Date: 2 Oct 1995 02:50:23 GMT

>Keywords: Triphala



>Greetings,



>My mother has recently been to a nutritionist and, among many other 

>supplements,he gave her Triphala.  She wants to know what it is, how it works

>and for what types of problems it is used. She thinks that it is a Chinese 

>herb. Thank you in advance for any replies.



>                                ---Charles



You mean her doctor gives her something and won't tell her what it's for!!??





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gotu Kola

From: bbanshi@aol.com (Bbanshi)

Date: 1 Oct 1995 23:42:43 -0400



Gotu Kola is a small ground cover that is supposedly good as a tonic to

increase your memory potential.   It increases your circulation (hence the

idea that your memory would improve with improved circulation).    The

taste (in liquid extract) is not wonderful





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Where to get vegetable glycerine? (For herbal extracting)

From: snydere@ucsub.colorado.edu (The Snyder-Dunns)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 03:55:30 GMT



I am planning on making an herbal extract, and would like to use some 

glycerine in the extraction. Glycerine is very readily available, but 

only the mineral based stuff - which I don't particularly want to take 

internally. I understand there is a vegetable based glycerine, but am not 

having any success finding a source. Anyone know where I might find some 

of this?



              -Thanks in advance, Steve Dunn





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to get vegetable glycerine? (For herbal extracting)

From: trdchsr@aol.com (TRDCHSR)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:53:29 -0400



I found the vegetable glycerin in our neighborhood health food store in

the cosmetic section. Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to get vegetable glycerine? (For herbal extracting)

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:11:49 GMT



I seem to have a lot to say to this news group.



I can get you vegetable glycerine for herbal extracts.



Let me know how much you want and I will give you a price.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: cstewart@jaxnet.com(C.D.Stewart)

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: Bob Holcombe <bob@tcac.com>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 04:19:19 GMT



DMSO can overload your liver and kill you so be careful!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: AATON@USACE.MIL (AMY ATON)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:16:15 GMT



I have found DMSO in Animal Feed stores, for use on barn animals.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: nyts@news.dorsai.org (New York Theosophical Society)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:58:38 GMT



Bob Holcombe (bob@tcac.com) wrote:

: DMSO can overload your liver and kill you so be careful!



        The problem with DMSO and your liver is that the impurities 

(especially in industrial grade DMSO) enter your system along with the 

DMSO and the liver has to work overtime in eliminating them.  Using the 

rather odd logic of "protecting the consumer", the FDA will not let the 

supplier of the DMSO state how pure it is.



        Bart Lidofsky





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:49:24 GMT



In article <DFtwDq.876@dorsai.org>,

   nyts@news.dorsai.org (New York Theosophical Society) wrote:



>       The problem with DMSO and your liver is that the impurities 

>(especially in industrial grade DMSO) enter your system along with the 

>DMSO and the liver has to work overtime in eliminating them.  Using the 

>rather odd logic of "protecting the consumer", the FDA will not let the 

>supplier of the DMSO state how pure it is.

>

>       Bart Lidofsky



The trick is: Always get "veterinary grade" from a feed store.

That is the same stuff, from the same manufacturers, as the 

medical grade.

Beware of "industrial grade", "chemical grade" because they

can contain unstated, possibly toxic impurities.  The vet and medical

grades can contain impurities, but they can't be toxic.

Purest of all - analytical grade ... but it's REALLY $$$$



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: richj@pixi.com (Richard Jacobson)

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 01:21:58 GMT



Bob Holcombe <bob@tcac.com> wrote:



>DMSO can overload your liver and kill you so be careful!



Also apparently causes perseveration :-)



------------------------

Richard Jacobson



Better to be unsure about something

than to be certain and be wrong

 

Always remember to put Horace before Descarte





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DMSO

From: fonzy.broussard@healthline.com

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 16:28:46 -0700



N>The trick is: Always get "veterinary grade" from a feed store.

 >That is the same stuff, from the same manufacturers, as the

 >medical grade.

 >Beware of "industrial grade", "chemical grade" because they

 >can contain unstated, possibly toxic impurities.  The vet and medical

 >grades can contain impurities, but they can't be toxic.

 >Purest of all - analytical grade ... but it's REALLY $$$$



N>Callie



What about DMSO labeled "Pharmaceutical Grade?



TNX



Fonzy

---

  QMPro 1.02 41-1711  All rising to a great place is by a winding stair.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 01:50:11 GMT



In article <9510041628.0N5FJ00@healthline.com>,

   fonzy.broussard@healthline.com wrote:



>N>The trick is: Always get "veterinary grade" from a feed store.

> >That is the same stuff, from the same manufacturers, as the

> >medical grade.

> >Beware of "industrial grade", "chemical grade" because they

> >can contain unstated, possibly toxic impurities.  The vet and medical

> >grades can contain impurities, but they can't be toxic.

> >Purest of all - analytical grade ... but it's REALLY $$$$

>

>

>N>Callie

>

>What about DMSO labeled "Pharmaceutical Grade?



That's "medical" grade.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: weigand@ssnet.com (Steve Weigand)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 21:41:05 -0400



Has anyone mentioned DMSO's use as a bruise linament?  Well,  it *used*

to be used that way (and still probably is) when DMSO wasn't over the

counter.  I've never tried it,  but I am told it is powerful.  It's

applied externally to a bruise,  and it will penetrate the skin 

immediately and take the dead blood cells with it.  It breaks up and

dissolves the bruise,  I believe,  allowing it to be carried off as

waste in the blood stream.  There are several problems using DMSO,  I've

heard:  1) It makes your breath smell like rotten eggs (it's a sulfate

compound).  2) It takes whatever is on your skin with it inside your

blood stream,  which could be bad,  so you're supposed to rinse your

skin off with water before you do -- perfumed soaps could be bad.  And

3) It's not supposed to be used in this manner,  so it might be bad for

you;  I've heard it might even cause cancer?  



All of the above is just second-hand knowledge from what I've gathered

from friends.



Ciao for now,

  - Steve Weigand

    (weigand@marlin.ssnet.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: c621617@showme.missouri.edu (Pliny A Smith)

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 10:23:09 -0500



In article <457a7h$o8e@marlin.ssnet.com>, weigand@ssnet.com wrote:



> There are several problems using DMSO,  I've

> heard:  1) It makes your breath smell like rotten eggs (it's a sulfate

> compound).  2) It takes whatever is on your skin with it inside your

> blood stream,  which could be bad,  so you're supposed to rinse your

> skin off with water before you do -- perfumed soaps could be bad.  And

> 3) It's not supposed to be used in this manner,  so it might be bad for

> you;  I've heard it might even cause cancer?  



> Ciao for now,

>   - Steve Weigand

>     (weigand@marlin.ssnet.com)



I've tried to accumulate some information on DMSO (DiMethylSulfOxide) and

have found nothing implicating it as a carcinagin.  It is possible to have

dangerous substances in a DMSO solution pass through the skin, but that

can be avoided by purchasing a pure grade.  Also, the LD50 (dose that

kills 50% of the test animal) of DMSO in most animal models is between 5ml

and 10 ml per kg of body weight.  That's about half a liter for most

people.  Since most people use 100 times less, I think the toxicity is

realitively nil.  Finally, refractive index changes in the lens were seen

in beagles give high doses continuously over 6 months, but at low doses no

such changes are seen.  DMSO is an FDA approved drug  for certain bladder

problems and no warning is given as to cancer in the drug prescribing

literature.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 12:12:53 GMT



 Really dumb question: I've been following this thread for awhile and 

still have not figured out-- What the heck is DMSO? What is it used for? 

 Obviously  I missed the first post...(blush)

You are welcome to respond by e-mail and not waste the bandwith on the 

clueful.

Liz (lizjones+@pitt.edu)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:39:03 -0800



On 5 Oct 1995, Liz Jones wrote:



>  Really dumb question: I've been following this thread for awhile and 

> still have not figured out-- What the heck is DMSO? What is it used for? 

>  Obviously  I missed the first post...(blush)

> You are welcome to respond by e-mail and not waste the bandwith on the 

> clueful.

> Liz (lizjones+@pitt.edu)

> 

> 

> 

Hey!!!!send that over here too, I haven't a clue.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: vwinter@aol.com (VWinter)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 19:05:40 -0400



I had a friend who was badly burned on her shoulder, over 25 years

ago...she used DMSO for the severe pain and loss of movement in her arm

and shoulder...I remember Sophie giving a few hints for using DMSO...1.

don't drink within 2 hours before and after using...1 small drink can send

you on a cheap drunk and possibly retard thinking ability for that time

slot...2. don't bathe within 2 hours before using DMSO...it can make you

itch from the chemicals and soap...3. rest when using it (after applying

it)..so it can do its work..

Sophie had a brother in Congress at the time, and went there to testify on

the Doctor's behalf who invented it....he was at the U of Oregon Medical

School ...

DMSO is very cheap and is some kind of wood by-product..the big drug

companies were up in arms over it-partly because they couldn't charge the

American public gobs of money for it..note I wrote..partly.....I don't

remember the other reasons the drug companies came out against DMSO....

Susie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DMSO

From: melacree@ix.netcom.com (Jamell Acree )

Date: 5 Oct 1995 04:00:13 GMT



In <DFrH9E.Mw1@freenet.carleton.ca> ce842@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael

A. Spence) writes: 

>

>

>Does anyone know what DMSO means in long hand? What type of solvent is

it?

>Is it used as an oral chelation therapy?

>

>Inquiring minds want to know!

>Judy

>--

>q



DMSO (Dimethysulfoxide) is an industrial solvent.

-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DMSO

From: wita@inferno.com

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 04:57:38 PST





===========================================================================

Subj: Re: DMSO                       Conf: (77) alt.herbs

---------------------------------------------------------------------------



IN>I had a friend who was badly burned on her shoulder, over 25 years

IN>ago...she used DMSO for the severe pain and loss of movement in her arm

IN>and shoulder...I remember Sophie giving a few hints for using DMSO...1.

IN>don't drink within 2 hours before and after using...1 small drink can send

IN>you on a cheap drunk and possibly retard thinking ability for that time

IN>slot...2. don't bathe within 2 hours before using DMSO...it can make you

IN>itch from the chemicals and soap...3. rest when using it (after applying

IN>it)..so it can do its work..

IN>Sophie had a brother in Congress at the time, and went there to testify on

IN>the Doctor's behalf who invented it....he was at the U of Oregon Medical

IN>School ...

IN>DMSO is very cheap and is some kind of wood by-product..the big drug

IN>companies were up in arms over it-partly because they couldn't charge the

IN>American public gobs of money for it..note I wrote..partly.....I don't

IN>remember the other reasons the drug companies came out against DMSO....



DMSO is a Paint Thinner.....  I read that, a painter Noticed that his

Arthritis started going away. He Told others....



DMSO is used on race horses and other animals to help them Heal faster

and with out scarring, Also used on High priced Athliets. It was Banned

for two reasons, One was that it worked... and was Cheep, you can not

get a Patten on it for it is a simple Chemical, and Two that it can make

certian Drugs have a Reverse action to what it should do. Like for

Arthritis.



They use it in Canada for Burn Victims, for it does reduce the Scaring,

and it makes the Pain lesson. also helps any skin Grafting, heal with

not so mutch if None at all scaring.



How ever you must Cut the DMSO in Half with PURE water. For anything

used with DMSO will go Directly into the BLOOD STREAM.



I have often wondered what whould happen if Herbs where mixed in with

the DMSO.



B*B

---

  SLMR 2.0  Pope goes to Mount Olive, Popeye almost kills him.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DMSO

From: joseph.davis@grape.net (Joseph Davis)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:29:00 -0700



w >Message-ID: <8023100354101@inferno.com>

w >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

w >Organization: The Inferno - San Jose, CA





w >=======================================================================

w >Subj: Re: DMSO                       Conf: (77) alt.herbs

w >-----------------------------------------------------------------------



IN>I had a friend who was badly burned on her shoulder, over 25 years

IN>ago...she used DMSO for the severe pain and loss of movement in her 

IN>and shoulder...I remember Sophie giving a few hints for using DMSO..

IN>don't drink within 2 hours before and after using...1 small drink ca

IN>you on a cheap drunk and possibly retard thinking ability for that t

IN>slot...2. don't bathe within 2 hours before using DMSO...it can make

IN>itch from the chemicals and soap...3. rest when using it (after appl

IN>it)..so it can do its work..

IN>Sophie had a brother in Congress at the time, and went there to test

IN>the Doctor's behalf who invented it....he was at the U of Oregon Med

IN>School ...

IN>DMSO is very cheap and is some kind of wood by-product..the big drug

IN>companies were up in arms over it-partly because they couldn't charg

IN>American public gobs of money for it..note I wrote..partly.....I don

IN>remember the other reasons the drug companies came out against DMSO.



w >DMSO is a Paint Thinner.....  I read that, a painter Noticed that his

w >Arthritis started going away. He Told others....



w >DMSO is used on race horses and other animals to help them Heal faster

w >and with out scarring, Also used on High priced Athliets. It was Banned

w >for two reasons, One was that it worked... and was Cheep, you can not

w >get a Patten on it for it is a simple Chemical, and Two that it can mak

w >certian Drugs have a Reverse action to what it should do. Like for

w >Arthritis.



w >They use it in Canada for Burn Victims, for it does reduce the Scaring,

w >and it makes the Pain lesson. also helps any skin Grafting, heal with

w >not so mutch if None at all scaring.



w >How ever you must Cut the DMSO in Half with PURE water. For anything

w >used with DMSO will go Directly into the BLOOD STREAM.



w >I have often wondered what whould happen if Herbs where mixed in with

w >the DMSO.



w >B*B

w >---

w > * SLMR 2.0 * Pope goes to Mount Olive, Popeye almost kills him.



I have been using DMSO for twenty years, I purchase it from a drug company 

so they do sell DMSO.  I don't was until 30 seconds before a shower, I 

leave the shower and have a beer and continue on.  I use DMSO, right out of 

the bottle.  Be sure and wash prior to application because it takes any 

thing on the sky in to the body.  I use it for arth., I applied it to my 

wife for the pain from bone cancer, it was the only thing, short of 

Morphine to help with the pain.  We use in propagation of plants.  What 

would normally take 21 days from the time they are placed in the cutting 

beds until they are rooted out and ready for shipping is 7 days.  There are 

many old wive tales about DMSO, don't beleave them until you try them.  

They available through supply houses and only use regent quality.



Good Luck



Joe



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gum rejuvenation-Bob Garmon

From: "(USER NAME)" <(USERID)@getnet.com>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 04:23:26 GMT



About a year ago I developed a small invection on my upper gum. 

I used Colloidal Silver to stop the invection, but I lost my gum

in that area. I have used Ipsab, Silver, Apple cider vinegar, Vitamin 

C, and regular cleanings. 

Any ideas on how to grow back gums. The dentist says that it is not

possible.

garmon@gn2.getnet.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gum rejuvenation-Bob Garmon

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:17:27 GMT



"(USER NAME)" <(USERID)@getnet.com> wrote:



>About a year ago I developed a small invection on my upper gum. 

>I used Colloidal Silver to stop the invection, but I lost my gum

>in that area. I have used Ipsab, Silver, Apple cider vinegar, Vitamin 

>C, and regular cleanings. 

>Any ideas on how to grow back gums. The dentist says that it is not

>possible.

>garmon@gn2.getnet.com 

I agree with your dentist.  In very *specific* circumstances, a

periodontist (specialist) *may* be able to help.



Gingivitis/periodontitis is a very destructive disease and generally

it is COMPLETELY preventable with good oral hygiene:  brush and FLOSS!



Bleeding gums = infection = NEED oral hygiene.



Good Luck!

:-)

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Epazote

From: ao465@detroit.freenet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 04:39:47 GMT



Just finished harvesting a bunch of leaves for the freezer,

and pulling up my Epazote plant by its really impressive roots.

This plant is a fairly obnoxious thing to pass in the herb

garden, as a brush with its foliage releases a profound

creosote smell.  Having packaged an amount probably adequate

for several years' use, I now smell like a paving crew on an

August afternoon. 8-P



I grew this charming addition to the garden with the assurance

that its leaves, added to bean dishes, would relieve an

indelicate tendency to [ahem] flatulence.  I have experimentally

used _small_ amounts in bean dip.  It's an interesting thing

that the paving crew smell does not seem to impart itself to

the dish.  But:  I have no guideline as to a proper amount to

be added to a dish to achieve a remedial effect.  A little

bowl of bean dip is one thing.  Autumn is here, however, and

it's time for ham hocks 'n beans.  This is main course food.

Do we have any experienced contributors here?  Any Hispanos

who might share a cultural tidbit?  



It may be that the quality of my domestic life depends on an 

effective application.  8-*



SuN.

-- 

************************************************************

"I could while away the hours conferrin' with the flowers, 

 consulting with the rain... if I only had a brain."

 --Scarecrow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epazote

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 10:50:46 GMT



In article <44nqej$grq@detroit.freenet.org>,

   ao465@detroit.freenet.org (Susan L. Nielsen) wrote:



>Just finished harvesting a bunch of leaves for the freezer,

>and pulling up my Epazote plant by its really impressive roots.

>This plant is a fairly obnoxious thing



The name, in Aztec means stinkweed  :)  roughly translated

You either like it or hate it



>But:  I have no guideline as to a proper amount to

>be added to a dish to achieve a remedial effect.  A little

>bowl of bean dip is one thing.  Autumn is here, however, and

>it's time for ham hocks 'n beans.  This is main course food.



I checked all my Mexican cookbooks:  whatever a "good-sized 

sprig" of fresh epazote is.  I would guess it's about a 

tablespoonful of chopped fresh or a teaspoonful of dried crumbled.



Start with that for one pot and increase it.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epazote

From: trdchsr@aol.com (TRDCHSR)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:53:30 -0400



I thought the epazote tasted like mint flavored gasoline.  All my

cookbooks say to use the epazote interchangeably with cilantro. I thought

that it was for the flavor but that can't be right. Good luck.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epazote

From: Richard Grossman <acudoc@val.net>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:09:22 GMT



trdchsr@aol.com (TRDCHSR) wrote:

>I thought the epazote tasted like mint flavored gasoline.  All my

>cookbooks say to use the epazote interchangeably with cilantro. I thought

>that it was for the flavor but that can't be right. Good luck.



Epazote is delicious when used properly.  Try cooking a pot of black 

beans with 6 or so epazote leaves and an onion added at the beginning of 

cooking. . . or perhaps a quesadilla with an epazote leaf or two cooked 

into the cheese.  It's good.  Epazote is also a good herb for 

fighting off intestinal parasites.



-- 

Richard Grossman, Lic.Ac., O.M.D., Ph.D.

Doctor of Oriental Medicine



E- Mail:        Acudoc@val.net

Voice Mail      (310) 358-6125





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Epazote

From: trdchsr@aol.com (TRDCHSR)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 19:13:41 -0400



In article <45d9ni$3r@ooze.val.net>, Richard Grossman <acudoc@val.net>

writes:



>Epazote is delicious when used properly.  Try cooking a pot of black 

>beans with 6 or so epazote leaves and an onion added at the beginning of 

>cooking. . . or perhaps a quesadilla with an epazote leaf or two cooked 

>into the cheese.  It's good.  Epazote is also a good herb for 

>fighting off intestinal parasites.



Thank you for the advice. I will try this next time. Anna



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Equisetum & foot fungus

From: ao465@detroit.freenet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 04:45:57 GMT



Why can I never find an item when I go back to look for it?



Please, would the individual who posted regarding horsetail

and fungus relief drop me a note with proportions for this

infusion?  My SO is _very_ eager to give this a try.  Having

made an expedition to the river banks, from which we returned

with a "croaker sack" full of Horsetail, we now sit peering

quizzically at each other.



Itching to begin treatment, I thank you.



sn

-- 

************************************************************

"I could while away the hours conferrin' with the flowers, 

 consulting with the rain... if I only had a brain."

 --Scarecrow





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Equisetum & foot fungus

From: barthele@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (barthelemy kevin)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 02:36:09 GMT



Susan L. Nielsen (ao465@detroit.freenet.org) wrote:



: Why can I never find an item when I go back to look for it?



: Please, would the individual who posted regarding horsetail

: and fungus relief drop me a note with proportions for this

: infusion?  My SO is _very_ eager to give this a try.  Having

: made an expedition to the river banks, from which we returned

: with a "croaker sack" full of Horsetail, we now sit peering

: quizzically at each other.



: Itching to begin treatment, I thank you.



This sounds interesting...please follow up on this.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin and the Flu?

From: paul@unicomp.net (Paul Wayne)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 05:08:58 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: hart@ids.net (Gene Hart)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 01:11:36 -0500



In article <447nua$73g@news.halcyon.com>, Geraldo Cienmarcos

<garygch@halcyon.com> wrote:

 

> Does anyone know of herbal (or dietary or other) remedy for 

> clinical depression?

   

I've read that the herb St. John's Wort is effective in treating mild

depression.   It's  supposed to be quite popular in Europe these days. 

 I'm no authority , though. 

  

hang in there





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: garygch@halcyon.com

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 10:25:46 GMT



Look into Melatonin products available. Read the book

"The Melatonin Miracle ... Nature's Age-Reversing ... 

Disease-Fighting ... Sex-Enhancing Hormone" by ... 

Walter pierpaoli,MD,PHD and William Regelson,MD with 

Carol Colman.



You have only ONE LIFE to live so BeHealthy.

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy

email: Be@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:49:26 GMT



In article <44oena$2dc@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>,

   Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Look into Melatonin products available. Read the book

>"The Melatonin Miracle ... Nature's Age-Reversing ... 

>Disease-Fighting ... Sex-Enhancing Hormone" by ... 

>Walter pierpaoli,MD,PHD and William Regelson,MD with 

>Carol Colman.

>

>You have only ONE LIFE to live so BeHealthy.

>http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy

>email: Be@ix.netcom.com

>

Brad - 

  I looken ONTO the label of my melatonin ... it

says should not be used by persons with depressive

disorders.



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 19:38:01 GMT



Geraldo Cienmarcos <garygch@halcyon.com> wrote:

>

> I'm sure this has come up before. However I knew *on this block*.

> Does anyone know of herbal (or dietary or other) remedy for 

> clinical depression?

> 

> You can post here and also e-mail privately to:

> garygch@aol.com OR garygch@halcyon.com

> 

> Thanks for the patients of reading this and any friendly or 

> informative replies,

> 

> 

> Gary

> 

> 



For depression:



ARTESMISIA ABSINTHIUM - Wormwood

CANNABIS SATIVA - Marijuana

CENTELLA ASIATICA - Gotu Kola

HYPERICUM PERFORATUM - St. John's Wort

MONARDA DIDYMA

SCHISANDRA CHINENSIS - Schizandra berry

VERBENA OFFICINALIS - Vervain

VISCUM ALBUM - Mistletoe



- Tim overmind@hooked.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: anon4269@nyx10.cs.du.edu (The Other One)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 14:42:25 -0600



In article <44unqp$57f@agate.berkeley.edu>,

Tim Johnson  <overmind@hooked.net> wrote:

>Geraldo Cienmarcos <garygch@halcyon.com> wrote:

>> ...

>> Does anyone know of herbal (or dietary or other) remedy for 

>> clinical depression?

>> ...

>

>For depression:

>

>ARTESMISIA ABSINTHIUM - Wormwood

>CANNABIS SATIVA - Marijuana

>CENTELLA ASIATICA - Gotu Kola

>HYPERICUM PERFORATUM - St. John's Wort

>MONARDA DIDYMA

>SCHISANDRA CHINENSIS - Schizandra berry

>VERBENA OFFICINALIS - Vervain

>VISCUM ALBUM - Mistletoe



The classic treatment is Rauvolfia serpentina (commonly called rauwolfia,

sarpaganda, or Indian snakeroot).  The roots of this plant have been used

in India for thousands of years to treat mental illness.  Its active

ingredient, reserpine, is now prescribed in western medicine.  It must be

used for several weeks before results can be seen.  As is often the case,

the roots contain many other alkaloids which may also be effective.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 02:31:44 GMT



In article <44urjh$p06@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,

   anon4269@nyx10.cs.du.edu (The Other One) wrote:



>The classic treatment is Rauvolfia serpentina (commonly called rauwolfia,

>sarpaganda, or Indian snakeroot).  The roots of this plant have been used

>in India for thousands of years to treat mental illness.  Its active

>ingredient, reserpine, is now prescribed in western medicine.  It must be

>used for several weeks before results can be seen.  As is often the case,

>the roots contain many other alkaloids which may also be effective.

>

Unfortunately, reserpine "may cause mental depression" (PDR 1994) which

can last for several months after withdrawal from the drug. It is a 

sedative.



Perhaps you had rauwolfia confused with something else?



Callie



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http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 06 Oct 1995 05:58:56 GMT



In message ID <450mci$3bc@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> on 10/4/95, Callie wrote:



: In article <44urjh$p06@nyx10.cs.du.edu>,

:    anon4269@nyx10.cs.du.edu (The Other One) wrote:

: 

: >The classic treatment is Rauvolfia serpentina (commonly called rauwolfia,

: >sarpaganda, or Indian snakeroot).  The roots of this plant have been used

: >in India for thousands of years to treat mental illness.  Its active

: >ingredient, reserpine, is now prescribed in western medicine.  It must be

: >used for several weeks before results can be seen.  As is often the case,

: >the roots contain many other alkaloids which may also be effective.

: >

: Unfortunately, reserpine "may cause mental depression" (PDR 1994) which

: can last for several months after withdrawal from the drug. It is a 

: sedative.

: 

: Perhaps you had rauwolfia confused with something else?



Reserpine and rauwolfia are not equivalent.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:19:31 GMT



I know that reserpine was on the list of substances bieng tested as 

a possible treatment for schizophrenia a few years back, but was found to 

be no more effective than placebo in that capacity.. not sure about its 

uses in other settings. Check Schizophrenia Bulletin circa mid to late 

80's if you're interested. (No-- it's not that many journals to go thru.. 

they publish quarterly).

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 13:55:13 GMT



In article <38535069.106370624@pop.com> p_iannone@pop.com "Paul Iannone" writes:



> Reserpine and rauwolfia are not equivalent.

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

> 

I quote from the Cambridge Encyclopaedia:-



"Reserpine is a drug found in Rauwolfia serpentina....... used for centuries

in India.....now replaced in western medicine by modern drugs....."

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Depression and herbs.

From: schatzic@aol.com (SchatziC)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 03:59:43 -0400



Accidentally, E-mailed my info to an E-Mail address so now will share it

with group:  An article in the Clinical Psychiatric News, July 1995,

recommends the herbs valerian for anxiety, Saint-John's Wort for

depression and Ginkgo for dementia.  It is advised to use simple herbs

from natural or health food stores rather than from Chinese or other

professionals herbalists unless you have a practitioner supervising.  



I use St. John's Wort (extract) 8 - 10 drops in water three times a day; 

Ginkgo Biloba three times a day.  These work amazingly fast.  My doctor

had also prescribed Ginseng for energy, but I can't take it as I am

hypoglycemic.  I hope this helps someone.  I use these herbs under

doctor's direction.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: Need Herbal Relaxation

From: be@ix.netcom.com (Brad Bishop )

Date: 2 Oct 1995 08:43:19 GMT



In <Pine.SUN.3.91.950924235404.5460G-100000@Ra.MsState.Edu> Jamie King

<pan1@Ra.MsState.Edu> writes: 

>

>

>From what I've read, this should be Valerian.  I haven't tried it

personally,

>but I've seen it reported to be Valium-like by a couple of sources.

>

>pan1@ra.msstate.edu



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: re: Need Herbal Relaxation

From: Karen Way <kway@halcyon.com>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 16:57:05 GMT



Jamie,

I've used both Valerian and Valium (although Valium's in my past) .. 

Valerian relaxed me and for me .. did not have the drug effect of Valium.



I've also found the use of pure essential oils valuable for relaxation 

without any drug effect .. and when used in a bath the warmth of the 

water enhances relaxation.  Some of the relaxing oils are clary sage, 

marjoram, lavender, camomile, orange, ylang ylang, sandalwood and 

frankincense.



Ancient Healing Art offers blends of essential oils for relaxtion. You 

can check out our web site if you have an interest in using them.



-- 

Karen Way           Ancient Healing Art

kway@halcyon.com    http://www.halcyon.com/kway/

* Pure Essential Oils for Your Body, Mind and Spirit *





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Apprentiship

From: Steve Thompson (ce3set@swan.ac.uk)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:15:06 GMT



On the net there's an apprentiship scheme advertised and

publisised in Oregon (I think !) could anybody tell me

if there is a British equivalent somewhere ?



Thank You.



Steve T.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: Tina Gotschi <tina@iafrica.com>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 09:23:05 GMT



"<Panchita de la Lucha>" <lips@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

>

> I've never had a dream pillow without grandmother cedar in it.  Also if 

> you gather cattails - bake them in the oven long enough to kill any 

> insect life, shred it to fluff, your pillow be natural, and like a 

> goose or down feather pillow as well.

> 

> Bobbi or Panchita de la lucha

> 

> On 26 Sep 1995, Andy Hughes wrote:

> 

> > DRIED HOPS IS THE PRIMARY INGREDIENT IN SUCH PILLOWS.

> > HAPPY TRAILS.



I'm very interested in make dream pillows - i have a book by

sun bear, but since i live in south africa it's hard to get

ingredients like wild sage and sweetgrass.

what about lavender? isn't this chief ingredient since

lavender oil induces sleep?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: rmwest@ix.netcom.com (Robin West)

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 01:47:29 GMT



This whole thread sounds great! I understand the basics, but tell me,

what size pillows do you make?  Are they small 3" x 3" to hang on the

bedpost, or are we talking full size pillow?  What are you using for

additional stuffing if any?  how about the covering?  I would love to

make some of these for gifts for special friends, and I love the

concept, hope someone can help me out.  Also, is there some sort of

write up, information sheet that you put with the pillow?



Thank yoiu so much in advance for the help!



Tina Gotschi <tina@iafrica.com> wrote:



>"<Panchita de la Lucha>" <lips@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

>>

>> I've never had a dream pillow without grandmother cedar in it.  Also if 

>> you gather cattails - bake them in the oven long enough to kill any 

>> insect life, shred it to fluff, your pillow be natural, and like a 

>> goose or down feather pillow as well.

>> 

>> Bobbi or Panchita de la lucha

>> 

>> On 26 Sep 1995, Andy Hughes wrote:

>> 

>> > DRIED HOPS IS THE PRIMARY INGREDIENT IN SUCH PILLOWS.

>> > HAPPY TRAILS.

>

>

>I'm very interested in make dream pillows - i have a book by

>sun bear, but since i live in south africa it's hard to get

>ingredients like wild sage and sweetgrass.

>what about lavender? isn't this chief ingredient since

>lavender oil induces sleep?

>

>



Robin West & the Gloryview Crew (3 Tervs & a Pom)

                                          

rmwest@ix.netcom.com                           

                                                    

Scenic eastern Connecticut hills           



                   /\/\

                  / .. \

                 ///\*/\\\    





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: randymshr@aol.com (Randy Mshr)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:48:20 -0400



Having just returned from a tour of 4 of the world's hop cultivation

regions I can verify the long tradition of the use of hops as a

sleep-inducing herb, especially in pillows. 



BUT, please don't buy your hops at your herb shop (sorry, folks). The

active ingredients are quite volatile and subject to oxidation, and the

hops you want are bright green, a sign of freshness. Brown ones are

useless. 



Go to your local homebrew store, where the hops should have been stored in

the refrigerator or freezer. Ask them for a traditional noble, or aroma

variety such as saaz, hallertau, tettnang or golding. Each has a different

aroma, from herbal to spicy to pinelike/resiny.



Happy pillowing!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: selena@trends.ca (Stacy Peuhkurinen)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 02:05:25 GMT



In article <44q4nj$6j5@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, rmwest@ix.netcom.com says...

>

>This whole thread sounds great! I understand the basics, but tell me,

>what size pillows do you make?  Are they small 3" x 3" to hang on the

>bedpost, or are we talking full size pillow?  What are you using for

>additional stuffing if any?  how about the covering?  I would love to

>make some of these for gifts for special friends, and I love the

>concept, hope someone can help me out.  Also, is there some sort of

>write up, information sheet that you put with the pillow?

>

>Thank yoiu so much in advance for the help!



The book that I have (The complete book of Incense, oils and brews by Scott 

Cunningham) suggests that they are made small.  (4x4 or 5x5 sounds about 

right).  He also suggests that you use natural fiber cloth for it.  Cotton 

or felt.  This corresponds with the ones that I've seen for sale in some 

stores from time to time.  



The one I made I used felt.  This is great because you can add a drop or two 

of an essential oil (I like to complement an herb that I used in the pillow 

itself, like lavendar).  You can even correspond the colour of the fabric 

with what purpose you would like the pillow for.  For instance, white for 

peace, light blue for happines, and black, dark blue or purple for healing.



I think the idea of making gifts of them is wonderful!  I know some people 

that will be receiving them for yule (christmas) presents this year.  



Good luck and e-mail me if you have any other questions.

Stacy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: Tina Gotschi <tina@iafrica.com>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 06:40:35 GMT



the sun bear book i read suggests yarrow as well. I know

this is a great herb for women but i'm not so sure what

inhaling it does! mugwort is great for dreams..weeeee



the pillows i am making are about 15cm x 15cm - i don't

want to make them too big since then i have to denude my

entire herb garden to fill them!



tina





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 10:56:18 -0700



tina, can you tell me more about this sunbook you keep mentioning?

 

poppy@someherb.com



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: tina@iafrica.com

Subject: Re: Dream pillow? Anyone familiar with?

From: C Staggs <cstaggs@u.arizona.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 16:05:19 GMT



Dream pillows are a wonderful way to induce a pleasant setting for sleep. My dre

am 

pillow is about 5 inches square, made of natural cotton fabric. It has a wonderf

ul 

combination of lavender, balsam fir, bear root, yerba santa, lilac, mugwort, ros

e 

petals, white sage, and hops. It has a loop attached to one corner which allows 

it 

to be hung on the bedpost or over it (beside my dream catcher). I think the bals

am 

is a wonderful, outdoors smell that evokes an element of nature that is incredib

ly 

soothing. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Deer Antler/Ginseng

From: stuart@choice.equinox.gen.nz

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:34:00 +12



I am a deer farmer and I harvest deer velvet.

I have to sit an exam and be examined for the painless removel of

deer antler in which a combination of general and local anesthetic

drugs is used and so is quite painless......... if anybody is interested.



Stuart NZ

... Catch the Blue Wave!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: intrested in shareing

From: stuart@choice.equinox.gen.nz

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:35:00 +12



on what



Stuart NZ



... Catch the Blue Wave!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 10:50:53 GMT



In article <44pbgr$cp9@cwis.isu.edu>,

   goodmich@cwis.isu.edu (GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A) wrote:



>So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just use 

>the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

>save a buck, or are that gullible.  

>If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and tell 

>me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

>background, and financial status.



Jack - 

  I am a registered medical technologost with a bachelor's degree

in Microbiology.  I am nominally caucasian (of dubious ancestry)

but grew up around several Indian tribes and learned some of their

herb uses.  I learned more in Mexico - their pharmacies use more

botanicals than american ones.  I also use the older herbal remedies

out of the US Pharmacopea and Materia Medica ... the ones that used

to be prescribed by "modern" physicians.

  Ignoring the blatant quackery spouted by some herbalists, the 

fact is that for many conditions the low-tech herbal remedies work

as well or better than their high-tech equivalent.  The only trick is

learn when to call in the shamans and when to call in the surgeons.



  The current "hot" discovery for muscle pain ... capsaicin ointments

at $10-15/tube ... versus the antique remedy Dr. Sloan's Liniment with

the same ingredients at <$3/bottle.  (yeah, low-tech is cheaper)

  Camphor vapors do as much to clear my bronchitis as a high-tech

inhaler ... and it is a LOT safer.

  With me it is not a philosphical or life style issue - herbs work and 

work well for many conditions ... and I don't have the hassle of making

doctor's appointments, filling prescriptions, etc.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: "Cheryl E." <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 05:45:22 -0600



On 2 Oct 1995, GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A wrote:

(text deleted)

> So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just use 

> the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

> save a buck, or are that gullible.  

> If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and tell 

> me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

> background, and financial status.

> -- 

> Just call me Jack



Hi Jack!



Nothing personal, but I'm not about to give you my education, age, ethnic 

background or financial status as this information has nothing to do with 

an individual's reasoning for looking at alternate medicines.  However, I 

will tell you why I have begun looking into the many different programs.



I guess the first reason is that I have very little faith in our western 

medicial doctors, and have come to realize that orthodox medicine lacks in 

many areas.  Yes, they can fix a broken arm, and do some fantastic surgery 

techniques; but they also are void of taking care of the entire person 

especially in the areas of preventive medicine.  The "pop-a-pill" 

attitude with its many side effects; our eventual body resistence to 

the medication; and the lack of education given to patients is not very 

appealing.



I even find the "coldness" in orthodox medicine to add stress, etc.; and 

if all there is to herbalists, naturalists, etc. is the warmth, kindness, 

abilitiy and time to listen, then I'd much rather go to them.  If it is 

only an illusion, (their actual remedies do not work), given when someone 

takes the time to address your life and you, feel for you with 

compassion, be concerned about your spiritual and mental well-being as well; 

then I'd rather spend time with that individual than any other.  Part of 

the healing does come from someone's attitude, and orthodox medicine does 

not deal or help someone develop the proper attitude.  I find most 

medical professionals to be arrogant, cold, money hungry hyprocrites, who 

pass people off as being a pain in the neck that cut into their precious 

time.  No, I'd rather see a witch doctor, then be exposed to the 

self-righteous, higher than mighty attitude portrayed by many orthodox 

doctors.



Another reason is because many of the remedies do work, and do wonders 

with aiding the symptoms (pain, etc.), even if it requires more time than 

popping a pill.  I'm not so sure how much money a person can save, since 

we have medical care; but I do know that it costs in your own personal 

time.  Even making a poultice, taking the time to apply it, etc. is very 

time consuming; but is worth the investment even if you are only saying, 

"You are worth it!"



Looking at whether it works seriously now; then I can only say that the 

many remedies have worked for other cultures for centuries and there is 

no reason why it should not work for western cultures.  Secondly, you 

asked why not just use the systems we have -- well, even if our orthodox 

medicine took that stand then we would never have advanced in anything 

at all.  We would never have made better pain killers, etc. or medicine that 

worked for different types of people.  The pharmaceutical industries are 

always researching for better systems, and they too find many of their 

answers is herbs, etc.  Through science many of the herbs have been found 

to contain the healing properties that people claim they do.  So I would 

think that before making a decision as to whether people are "gulliable", 

then I'd first explore the area(s) first.  A good book to start with is 

Reader's Digest Family Guide to Natural Medicine.  It gives an overview 

of the different practices, etc.



Cheryl





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: nofa@aol.com (NofA)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:38:17 -0400



I guess because:



1) Some of us are disillusioned with the modern medical establishment. 

You would have to probably ask each individual about experiences that have

caused their disillusionment.

2) Herbal remedies have a long history, backed by good research, that

indicates they have properties that really work, although perhaps slower

than modern medicine.  So, the information related to the healing

properties of plants is not simply folklore.

3) Most modern medicine is based on plant research.  Modern medicines are

typically synthetically derived from plants.



So, I don't think we are gullible.  Also, using herbal remedies and

alternative medicine is not necessarily cheaper than using a "real"

doctor.



I can't speak for the rest of the group, but I believe both modern and

traditional medicine have their places.  (Traditional is often confused

with modern, but traditional means the original, natural remedies.)



Hope this helps answer some of your questions.  I'm not sure what my

background has to do with answering your questions, but I have six years

education beyond high school, so I guess that might mean I'm not stupid,

either (besides not being gullible).  As far as sex, gender, ethnic

background, and financial status, that seems irrelevant to your questions

and too personal.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 14:34:40 GMT



As has been previously stated in this thread, herbs are:

1.the source of many modern pharmaceuticals, and often contain helpful 

compounds

2.cheap

3.available over the counter(as it were)

 Thus, when used wisely(IMHO, this means researching active compounds in 

plants for effects and for side effects BEFORE just trying them out), 

herbs may add to our day to day comfort, ease minor pains, prevent more 

serious infections, and add a little spice to our lives. There is 

something much more appealing about drinking a cup of ginger tea to ease 

nausea than choking down a swig of pepto. 

These are also remedies which are available to people at an affordable 

price-- in today's "health care reform" era, accessability is a big 

problem. People will use whatever they can get to when they are feeling 

ill. And herbs are more accessible than prescription meds of any kind.

I believe one of the jobs of this newsgroup is to discuss these 

"alternative" methods in light of their efficacy, to challenge methods 

which have NOT proven to be worthy of attention(we all know there's a lot 

of snake oil out there!) and to get the word out about what does work. 

AND to encourage people to make use of allopathic medicine when it is 

appropriate... say what you will, but people do not die of most bacterial 

diseases any more, and allopathic medicine is largely responsible for 

that. There are many very effective drugs which mother nature simply does 

not provide for us. And surgery is sometimes the only way to avoid death 

from, say, a very large and growing benign tumor. The idea that 

allopathic remedies cannot exist side by side with herbal(and other) 

remedies for ailments is foolish. The reality is that most people use 

home remedies for aches and pains before they go see a doctor about them. 

Medicine is and has always been a discipline with diversity of approach 

and efficacy, and probably always will be.

So to answer your question, we probably DO use a real doctor, most of us. 

Perhaps several(dentist?pediatrician?gp?). We just are up front about the 

other things we use to increase our comfort, and bring them here to see 

what others' experience with them has been, or if there are better 

options.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: cathydm@aol.com (CathyDM)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 11:06:56 -0400



I use several herbal remedies because I tried them and they work.  For

example:  



I used to get repeated sinus infections.  Any slight cold would turn into

a full-blown and painful infection, which would deteriorate to the point

that I had to go to the doctor, who would give me antibiotics.  These

would clear up the infection, but I'd get another infection in two or

three months.  That would mean more antibiotics.  



I felt this was pointless and potentially dangerous, yet my doctor

insisted it was normal--"A lot of people have to take antibiotics often." 

This attitude is one reason why antibiotics are failing now.  And my

doctor showed no interest in finding the *cause* of my trouble--he just

wanted to prescribe pills, pills that seemed to increase the frequency of

my infections. 



Although the doctor certainly didn't suggest this, I tried changing my

diet, with no effect.  So I decided to experiment with echinacea.  The

next time I knew I was getting a sinus infection (they all started with a

raging sore throat), I immediately started taking echinacea as regularly

as clockwork, three times a day, along with vitamin C.  That first sinus

attack never became full-blown--it went away on its own in record time. 

And ever since I began taking echinacea at the first sign of trouble, I

have had fewer and fewer sinus attacks and *no infections*.  No

antibiotics, no trips to the doctor, no sinus pain, and no more nasty

slime. 



American doctors are taught to attack diseases with "advanced" technology.

 While that approach has its uses, it's not the only approach.  And, like

excessive use of antibiotics, it can backfire.



Herbal approaches give me more control over my treatment and let me gauge

and respond to my own symptoms.  They also keep me out of the doctor's

office, which is probably why your financially-strapped friends were

interested in them.  



Cathy 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: @.isu.edu

Date: 3 Oct 1995 16:29:42 GMT



MDQS25A@prodigy.com (Veronica Kattnig) wrote:

>

> What's wrong with using a midwife to save money?  When you have a high 

> deductable, and an ob-gyn costs $3000 for an uncomplicated, full term 

> delivery, why not chose the midwife at only $1200?  A midwife works in 

> tandem with the ob-gyn, in case any problems develop.

> 

> BTW, to the original poster, have YOU ever had a baby?  Not your wife or 

> SO but you.

 

As a matter of fact, no - I have never had a baby.  I have sat through 

four pregnancies and deliveries (but must admit that I couldn't even

pretend to understand what it's like.) Unfortunatly, two of the four

pregnancies ended up as emergency c-section deliveries.  The first

the was just too large a child and the second was because of amniotic

fluid loss, I am not sure, something like a dry ???delivery..???



Anyway back to the subject - Why did you turn to these things?  Have 

you considered using accupuncture?  Yes, no, why not?  What about sand

painting?  What about bathing in the Jordon River or the Ganges? How

about spiritual healing by the laying on of hands? Why-why not? Where

do you draw the line? There are a lot of ideas out there how do you

determine which to try or ignore? WHY WHY WHY?!!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:00:36 GMT



@.isu.edu wrote:

<snip>

>Anyway back to the subject - Why did you turn to these things?  Have 

>you considered using accupuncture?  Yes, no, why not?  What about sand

>painting?  What about bathing in the Jordon River or the Ganges? How

>about spiritual healing by the laying on of hands? Why-why not? Where

>do you draw the line? There are a lot of ideas out there how do you

>determine which to try or ignore? WHY WHY WHY?!!!



1. You have a brain. 

2.When you are given information regarding certain alternatives, your 

brain weighs the pros and cons of each, and decides which one it 

considers to be the best alternative given the current situation. 

3. It proceeds to enact the alternative it has chosen and weigh the 

results.

4. When your brain has experienced a sufficient number of situations with 

a similar context and alternatives for action, it begins to develop a 

heuristic model regarding how best to proceed based on its past 

experiences.

5.This process is called learning.

6. It doesn't stop until you're dead.



Further questions? Read the FAQ and learn our various and sundry 

heuristics. Sounds like you would be most interested in the medicinal 

FAQ, although the culinary FAQ is also quite informative and helpful.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: @.isu.edu

Date: 5 Oct 1995 16:31:43 GMT



All of you who have responded to my post, Thank you.  Now more questions:

 

> 1. You have a brain. 



Yes, I think I do have a brain as most people do.  I think that what is being

implied here is that I use common sense but I don't think that there is

such a thing as common sense because if it were so common than more 

people would have it.  I believe the expression should be "standard

sense"  or wisdom that everyone has because they had been properly 

trained in their youth.  If everyone had this and used their brain,

as you say, than the gullible behavior wouldn't be an issue.  So

it appears to me that this is a good question not to mention how many

have been gullible.  My reletive spent considerable time and energy

on an oxygen machine in his bath tube which... 



> 2.When you are given information regarding certain alternatives, your 

> brain weighs the pros and cons of each, and decides which one it 

> considers to be the best alternative given the current situation. 



You cannot weigh the pro's and con's if you do not have the context

from which to compare.  Example: the Biblical king who was told by 

the Hebrew prophit to wash in the river Jordon.  As you remember he 

became very upset asking why Jordon, why not one of the rivers in his

own kingdom. There is more to the story but I think that this makes

the point.



> 3. It proceeds to enact the alternative it has chosen and weigh the 

> results.



Assuming you know what results to expect besides generel expectations 

of healing.  What about side effects or expected period of exposure 

before effects begin?



> 4. When your brain has experienced a sufficient number of situations with 

> a similar context and alternatives for action, it begins to develop a 

> heuristic model regarding how best to proceed based on its past 

> experiences.



This model is based on the genra of the healing method.  Herbal remedies

as a group appear to me to have significant differences of behavior,

dosages, applications etc. than say... massage.

  

> 5.This process is called learning.



I have come to learn that learning is selective... 



> 6. It doesn't stop until you're dead.



another questionable generalization.



Ok, so there.  This brings me back to my original question - Where

do you draw the line?  What would eliminate certain options and what

would give them more credibility?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 12:07:58 GMT



@.isu.edu wrote:

>All of you who have responded to my post, Thank you.  Now more questions:

<snipped for brevity>...  

>> 5.This process is called learning.

>

>I have come to learn that learning is selective... 

>

>> 6. It doesn't stop until you're dead.

>

>another questionable generalization.

>

>Ok, so there.  This brings me back to my original question - Where

>do you draw the line?  What would eliminate certain options and what

>would give them more credibility?



 Well, you read the first part of the post where I was being sarcastic, 

but missed the real part. *Read the FAQ(s).* Learn our heuristics. As you 

have stated, everyone's judgement about why to use various methods 

differs.  Some advice is probably better than others. Hence, this is a 

newsgroup, not a textbook, and not a bible. Really truly if you are 

curious about this as you say, the best thing you can do is read various 

posts(of which, the FAQ is a condensation of the meatier ones... 

apologies to the group's vegetarians...) and draw you own conclusions 

about which of us to believe (and you'd be wise to realize that you 

probably shouldn't believe anyone on every subject as  none are 

omniscient or even close to it...). 

This is about sharing of information, dude. If you have something to 

contribute besides random attacking and non-specific questions, you might 

get some helpful or at least intriguing information back.

Seriously.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: jessicar@blarg.net

Date: 6 Oct 1995 18:56:53 GMT



If you've got Drs. like mine you really don't want to deal with them unless

you have to.  After an EKG, 24 hour holster monitor, an echo, and a

treadmill they still think something *might* be wrong with my heart when

those tests showed a good healthy 21 year old heart.  I refuse to submit

myself for more uselsess tests!



Jessica

_________________________________

Jessica Rabbit, The Next Generation:



I'm not bad, I just type that way.

_________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 14:34:42 GMT



In article <44rodm$e0u@cwis.isu.edu>, @.isu.edu wrote:



>Anyway back to the subject - Why did you turn to these things?  



I didn't "turn to" use of herbs to cure minor ailments: the medical 

establishment has turned AWAY from trying the low tech (low profit) ways. 

There are no "detail men" handing out freebies to doctors who dispense 

common sense ... those goodies go to doctors who write prescriptions

for the newest drugs.

Many of the references I use are OLD medical books.



>Have 

>you considered using accupuncture?  Yes, no, why not?  

Considered it, yes.  didn't do it because I have a really strong dislike

of needles aimed in my direction.  My sister and her husband have both 

used it for back problems quite successfully.



>There are a lot of ideas out there how do you

>determine which to try or ignore? WHY WHY WHY?!!!



You sound desperate for answers.  What's going on that provokes such

desperation?



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: spirit002@aol.com (Spirit002)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 17:47:07 -0400



I'm in my forties, upper middle class, and have a good HMO. I still use

herbal medicine  because it works just as well in most cases and better in

some. I would save money by going to a "real doctor" because my HMO would

cover that but not herbal cures. I am more comfortable with natural

medicine and best of all, I'm in control. I get what I need, when I need

it and don't have to kiss some MD's behind for it. I don't like "real

doctors" because what they really are are "real businessmen". Their

primary interest in medicine is the amount of money they can make. Thanks,

but no thanks. I'll take care of myself. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 3 Oct 1995 16:35:24 GMT



In <44pbgr$cp9@cwis.isu.edu> goodmich@cwis.isu.edu (GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A)

writes: 

>

>

 I can't believe you are all just trying to 

>save a buck, or are that gullible.  



>Just call me Jack

[snip]



I can't believe that you're that skeptical and closed-minded. Why don't

you try a real herbalist?

    Talk about gullible... all a pharmaceutical company has to so is

use its big bucks to advertise like mad on the idiot box (a.k.a. TV)

and people buy what they sell. I'd say and herbalist is more informed

about the body's needs than the average consumer.

    The primary effort in using herbs properly and effectively is

knowing your body, knowing the herb, and knowing how to consume it.

Same as "modern medicine," really, but there's more earth-consciousness

involved, and less big bizness products.



So, Jack, take a daring step out of your world and try something new to

you, ancient to this planet.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:58:22 -0500



OK, Jack - in my case



My grandmother was Cherokee and we were raised to believe that NO ONE 

could possibly know more about our bodies than ourselves and that nature 

had a cure for everyone of her childrens' illnesses



I do see a doctor (MD, that is) but it has taken me a while to find one 

that agrees that I know at least as much about my body and how and why it 

works as she does.  Teas, poltices, rubs, etc. not only do the job of a 

pill (sometimes) but  they also require the human touch.  And that 

can be a big part of the healing process.



I am a college graduate, female, 46YO, hispanic, and I live in 

south Texas. I am aware that a chemical is a chemical, whether naturally 

occuring or not.  Sometimes the remedy I seek is not "saving a buck" 

because I have an HMO with a low co-payment.  I would not skip my PAP, 

mamogram or regular checkup, but whenever there is a problem, I look 

first to nature's remedies.  



Cissy



On 2 Oct 1995, GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A wrote:



> 

> I have a relative nearby who has been trying to get me into all these 

> herb things and alternative medicines; magnets, herbs, oxygenators, 

> midwifery, eyerdologists...  Then one day he stoped pestering me.  I 

> thought about this for a long time and it occured to me that he was 

> looking for a way to save a buck because he was very close to broke and 

> his wife was almost ready to deliver their 5th baby.  Now he has a great 

> business and they are expecting their 6th and they are going to a 

> hospital and useing the doctors their (in spite of all the rhetoric they 

> tried to get me to believe about these people).  

> So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just use 

> the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

> save a buck, or are that gullible.  

> If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and tell 

> me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

> background, and financial status.

> -- 

> Just call me Jack

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:38:46 GMT



On 2 Oct 1995 12:37:15 -0600, goodmich@cwis.isu.edu

(GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A) wrote:



>

>I have a relative nearby who has been trying to get me into all these 

>herb things and alternative medicines; magnets, herbs, oxygenators, 

>midwifery, eyerdologists...  Then one day he stoped pestering me.  I 

>thought about this for a long time and it occured to me that he was 

>looking for a way to save a buck because he was very close to broke and 

>his wife was almost ready to deliver their 5th baby.  Now he has a great 

>business and they are expecting their 6th and they are going to a 

>hospital and useing the doctors their (in spite of all the rhetoric they 

>tried to get me to believe about these people).  

>So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just use 

>the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

>save a buck, or are that gullible.  

>If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and tell 

>me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

>background, and financial status.

>-- 

>Just call me Jack



Gee Jack,



You sound like a doctor or hospital owner (or drug company) that is

wondering why your patients aren't coming to you anymore.  And you are

asking for free advice so you can "tailor" your approach by ages,

financial status, etc. so you can get your money (patients) back. Or

maybe just a foolish advertising executive perhaps?  Maybe this will

help you.



Why don't I go?  Because I found that the "modern" medical community

is only in it for themselves.  It is above and beyond the biggest

rip-off to humanity that has ever existed.  In all the years I ever

went to a doctor, did I ever find even ONE that knew what s/he was

doing.  (i.e. a liver specialist that didn't know the main cause of

liver damage was a low protein diet and that hepatitis could be spread

thru sex; another that took 5 hours on the operating table to set ONE

bone in my arm and it took TWO operations because he screwed up on the

first (they sued me for the second operation) (I imagine he was

thinking of how he was going to pay for that vacation and new boat,

while I went home to my 40 degree F. indoor temperature, I turned off

the heat for 3 winters so I could afford to pay my "doctor" bills.);

or being misdiagnosed by your "non-gullible" doctors for 15 years so

they could sap me and the taxpayers out of hundreds of thousands of

dollars; because I found I was charged for several chest x-rays and

miscellaneous procedures and medicines I never saw and the bill was

sent to the insurance company, yet when I told the insurance company

about it, they said, and I quote, "I'm sorry, we don't investigate

illegal billing practices.  If you want to hire people to do this,

we'd be more than happy to read their reports on what you found." The

company was Blue Cross (I canceled); because I was told there was no

cure for Hep-B, yet when I turned to herbs, I found out that the

medical community KNEW about an herbal cure SINCE 1987 yet had NO

intentions of telling anyone about it because they couldn't make a

buck off of it and now thousands of people that could have been cured

are dead (just because they couldn't make a buck off the cure) ......

want me to go on?  I have about 2 more days reading of "wonderful-

doctor" stories just like these.



And as for moral reasons, I will NEVER ALLOW ANYONE TO FINANCIALLY

BENEFIT FROM MY MISFORTUNES EVER AGAIN!  Face it, the "modern" medical

community is nothing but parasites.  They used to use leaches (which

were good), now they've turned into leaches -- but not ones that cure,

one's that suck your very life and future out of you.  Going back to

them would only be enabling them to continue their  hypocrisy.  I'll

have no part of their hypocrisy by playing a part in it, even if my

very life may depend on it one day. (it's now in my living will that a

"doctor" CANNOT TOUCH ME -- EVER AGAIN.)



One other thing?  MOST herbal cures have not been tested on animals.

They have been tested for centuries on humans.  Because what works in

humans, may not work in other animal species, and what harms another

species, may be just the thing that could save my life.  Modern

science has MUCH to learn.



Is that enough for you to get your patients/drug-buyers back now?  I

doubt it, you'd have to get a heart first (if you really are a doctor,

because modern doctors don't have one).  I have yet to meet one with a

heart.  And I'm 45 years old, I've met my share of "doctors/parasites"

in the 15 years that they used me to increase their wallets, and did

nothing more.  Say Jack?  How do we all get our money back from cures

and things that never worked?  (But "cures" that DID guarantee you'd

have to return to them for yet another "new cure" to pay them again,

and again, and again, and again.... any of this sound familiar?)  



Did you know your cold lasts LONGER if you clear up your sinuses?

Your body is trying to help you by sealing up your sinuses (to raise

the temperature in your sinuses to fight off the infection).  But NO,

every year you see the ads for nasal sprays so you don't get that

"stuffed up feeling".  Then 2 weeks later you wonder why the cold is

in your chest, only NOW you have to go see a doctor (with checkbook

handed first, symptoms handed last).  Now who's "gullible" Jack?  Us?

Think again Jack, think again.  (Is your last name Shit by any chance?

It would fit -- to explain what you don't know -- jack shit.)



Something tells me this info I gave you won't fit into your little

boxes to be checked off of your research forms (age, gender, cash in

pocket, I'm surprised you didn't ask us about our cash first, it's the

modern-medicine way).  I bet you didn't think you'd make things worse

for the medical community by asking did you? Now this message can be

read by anyone in the world, and I wouldn't have typed it if you

hadn't asked.  If I was your boss (who hired you to get this data),

I'd fire your ass.  It just backfired -- BAD.  But so goes the

stupidity of "modern medicine", yet again. 



(psst, I'm psychic too on occasion, but YOUR post reeks of a data

gathering project for some company or stocks dealer, you don't need to

be psychic to see that.  And if, on the way-off chance, you are here

for a health-store dealer using reverse-psychology that is trying to

find ammo against the medical community, just so YOU can make more

bucks off of the sick and dying.... think again.... I only purchase or

gather or grow original plants.  I never touch anything that's been

manipulated in health-store factory. Some of those products can be

JUST as harmful as what "doctors" prescribe.  I get and make my own

cures now, and I urge anyone else to do the same.  If it doesn't look

like a form of the plant -- don't use it.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 09:05:44 -0400



my two cents:  I abhor the AMA and the direction they have taken "medical

science" especially womens medicine since their inception to date.   An

excellent example is the increased rate of births by C-section,  plus  the

fact that womens health problems were virtually ignored until the last

10-15 years (before women were empowered withe the almighty $).    Now,  I

am not a purist.  There are medical situations that require a doctors

expertise,  however, as a mother I learned how to deal effectively with

many ailments my family has contacted over the past 20 years,  which

relates directly to my high opinion of midwives, Chinese herbalist,   etc.

  It takes time and initiative to learn this stuff, and as usual the more

I learn the less I know.



Also (yes, I know the meter has run over the two cents) I am finding that

more doctors today, especially female doctors, are suggesting herbal

preparations and preventatives in lieu of pharmaceutical.

::::::::::    bowing to Paul I.  ::::::::::::::::::::::::

:

Hey, I feel better after that!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: herbyours@aol.com (HERB YOURS)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:34:03 -0400



I am afraid if you research you will find that Dr's only have 1 semester,

if that on drugs.  They are basically influenced by the pharmacutical

companys and what they are told by these companys.  The pharmacutical

companys are $ motivated.  If you look back not far in history you will

find that all drugs beginnings were herbs.  Herbs have natural buffers and

ingredients.  When man trys to copy these he leaves out these natural

protectors.  



I could go on for days but won't.   We could reference the bible etc, etc.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 20:08:59 -0400



For some real insight read "Tales of a Shaman's Apprentice" 

by Mark Plotkin Ph.D.   He spent years in the Amazon rainforest, studying

the healing properties of plants.

Jsananda@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: goodmich@cwis.isu.edu

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: C Staggs <cstaggs@u.arizona.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 17:33:41 GMT



Dear "Jack",



It's real easy to reply to your question "Why don't you use a real Doctor?"...I 

do, 

but I use him to augment my own use of "alternative" medications. The contempora

ry 

medical field is too reliant upon the use of medications from pharmicutical firm

s, 

and upon their medication hand-outs. This form of medication has too many side 

effects, and causes too many complications with other medications. 



Personally, I have had several serious health problems occur because of the hand

s 

full of pills my doctors have prescribed. Also, far too often, the doctor doesn'

t 

know what is causing a health problem. Should I allow him to use me as an 

experiment? I would rather use herbs, message, packs, and meditation to allow my

 

body to rebuild itself. That way I am more aware of what is happening with my bo

dy, 

and can take immediate response to the situation instead of trying to discribe t

he 

situation to a nurse, who will discribe it to the doctor, who will decide if I n

eed 

to see him......etc. 



The basic problem with most medical treatments today, is that they are dealing w

ith 

a specific symptom rather that a whole person. We have no problem accepting that

 our 

minds can affect our bodies, i.e. stress causes high blood pressure and heart 

disease. But many of us seem to balk at the idea that our minds can help cure ou

r 

bodies. If this seems too far fetch to you, consider reading from Norman Cousin'

s 

book, and his personal experience. 



Also, consider reading Andrew Weil's book "Spontaneous Healing". This gentleman 

has 

been working in the area of herbal/natural remedys for many years, and is also 

teaching your new generation of doctors IN MEDICAL SCHOOL alternative paths to 

health. 



In addition, the high cost of doctors, tests, medications and hospitals, to even

 

those of us who have good insurance, needs to be tempered with reason. We used o

nion 

as a mild seditative for children with colic, and garlic and chicken soup for ou

r 

own colds. These tried and true methods do have a scientific basis in their 

effectiveness. Just open your mind a little more, and consider the alternatives 

to a 

trip to the doctor. Of course, it will require you to take a little more 

responsibility for your own welfare. Not everyone can handle that. 



goodmich@cwis.isu.edu (GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A) wrote:

>

>I have a relative nearby who has been trying to get me into all these 

>herb things and alternative medicines; magnets, herbs, oxygenators, 

>midwifery, eyerdologists...  Then one day he stoped pestering me.  I 

>thought about this for a long time and it occured to me that he was 

>looking for a way to save a buck because he was very close to broke and 

>his wife was almost ready to deliver their 5th baby.  Now he has a great 

>business and they are expecting their 6th and they are going to a 

>hospital and useing the doctors their (in spite of all the rhetoric they 

>tried to get me to believe about these people).  

>So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just use 

>the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

>save a buck, or are that gullible.  

>If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and tell 

>me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

>background, and financial status.

>-- 

>Just call me Jack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: seacher@ix.netcom.com (James)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:48:24 GMT



In <44pbgr$cp9@cwis.isu.edu> goodmich@cwis.isu.edu (GOODWIN_MICHAEL_A)

writes: 

>

>

>I have a relative nearby who has been trying to get me into all these 

>herb things and alternative medicines; magnets, herbs, oxygenators, 

>midwifery, eyerdologists...  Then one day he stoped pestering me.  I 

>thought about this for a long time and it occured to me that he was 

>looking for a way to save a buck because he was very close to broke

and 

>his wife was almost ready to deliver their 5th baby.  Now he has a

great 

>business and they are expecting their 6th and they are going to a 

>hospital and useing the doctors their (in spite of all the rhetoric

they 

>tried to get me to believe about these people).  

>So I guess my question is, why are you doing all this?  Why not just

use 

>the systems that we have?  I can't believe you are all just trying to 

>save a buck, or are that gullible.  

>If/when anyone responds to this please explain why you do this and

tell 

>me how much formal education you have (college), age, gender, ethnic 

>background, and financial status.

>-- 

>Just call me Jack

=======================================================================

Well, Jack, I am sure many have responsed to you by now. I will be just

one more. First, Alt. Med. Is Not the way to save money, just the

opposite, because your insurance doesn't pay for any of it. 2nd, we are

looking for CURES, things that heal that are do not have side effects

worst than the disease you started out with.



Mostly we use the regular doctors to find out what is wrong, because

they have the tools and then go home to either cure ourselves or to

doctor that knows about herbs and such. They are very few, very rare,

and VERY costly to go to. Usually any good doctor that practices herbal

cures, the real herbal cures are in either jail or out with the

understanding that they WILL NOT practice their trade again or else.

They can teach, write books and other meaningless means of making a

living but they are NOT to actually allow people to come and be cured,

this is unfair medicial practice, and they will be jailed for doing so.



As for saving money you GOT to be kidding ......





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: cathydm@aol.com (CathyDM)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 18:31:56 -0400



>>First, Alt. Med. Is Not the way to save money, just the

opposite, because your insurance doesn't pay for any of it. <<



I disagree.  Alternative approaches *can* be cheaper, especially if

they're used to prevent the more expensive problems that land you in a

doctor's office.  Of course, if you buy expensive prepared stuff, you can

spend a chunk of money.  But if you can buy small amounts of herbs in bulk

or grow your own, you can make your own preparations for a lot less than

"natural" companies sell them for, and keep yourself off far more

expensive pharmaceuticals.  



Even if you buy prepared capsules, they can still end up costing you less

than the conventional treatment.  One bottle of echinacea capsules costs

me less than one insurance copayment for antibiotics, and it works better,

lasts longer, and doesn't screw up my body.



Finally, one appeal to many alternative approaches is the removal of the

expensive "expert."  You don't have to go to an "herb doctor" to get an

herbal preparation.  Reading books and this newsgroup, and listening to

your body, will help you find the preparation you need.



Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: debs@nyquist.bellcore.com (Deborah Rappaport 21714)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:10:32 GMT



My answer is simple....

alternative seams to be the only way to "cure" chronic 

but not critical "illness".

The doctors I have been to are not very interested in 

getting at the cause of chronic problems...

oh, they will give me things to make me "feel" better..

trouble is, a lot of the time I loose the "feel" of one

problem to get an "ill feel" from the "cure".



Specifically:

After suffering with migrains and going through 

everything that my doctor could through at me for 1 1/2 

years (x-rays, cat scans, physical therapy, drugs, etc...)

She said, there is nothing more I can do - take the 

drugs - live with it...

I guess she did not understand that there was no "life" in

my living with it....



So I started looking into other answers...

Now I only wish I had not suffered for the 1 1/2 years -

because I am migrain free now and have been for the past

5+ years.



debs





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: debs@nyquist.bellcore.com

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: support@teleport.com

Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:45:26 GMT



Dear Debs,

   I too suffer from severe migraines. What did you find that worked? 

Also, I'm doing a paper on Medieval Ethnobotany, is there anyone out 

there who could help?





                  Joy in all your ventures,



                         Lucy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why don't you use a real Doctor?

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:39:52 GMT



On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:13:50 GMT, Starminr@sky.net (Starminer) wrote:



>

>

>But there is another side to the coin.

>

>I will be upfront and tell you that I am an ICU nurse.

>

>That said:

>

>I suffered for years with SEVERE heartburn.  I never went to a doctor, just

>because I am basically lazy, etc.  I ate maalox tabs like candy.  

>

>Finally I discovered alternative medicine, and began taking ginger tablets

>with meals and at bedtime.  I found a great deal of relief.  I took the

>ginger for about two years with great results.  Then my heartburn returned,

>it got worse. I would wake up at night with painful esophageal spasms.  I

>would also wake up aspirating, a truely terrifying event.

>

>i finally went to a doctor, out of fear.  I am now on Tagamet, I feel

>great.  In fact, I didn't realize how bad it had become untill I felt

>better.

>

>I later discovered that chronic Gastroesophageal reflux puts me at high

>risk for developing stomach cancer.

>

>The moral is:

>

>Alternative therapy is great, but I would also advise that you see a doctor

>if your sypmptoms persist.  They might actually be able to help you.

>

>There is room for both ways.

>

>Starminer

>

You should have used licorice root too.  It has the same chemicals in

it as tagamet.  (So I've heard)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver, CeraDerm Wrinkle Remover,Pycnogenal and Colon Cleanser Forsale.

From: Global PDM <Global@pennet.net>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 02:09:31 GMT



To all offended thank you for your input.

We will do our own posting from now on.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: harvesting ginko biloba?

From: Alicia Cosgrove <ali00akc@unccvm.uncc.edu>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:24:09 GMT



We have several gorgeous ginko trees around the building where

I work, and I was wondering if there are any special tips I need 

to keep in mind while harvesting the leaves. I sincerely doubt

these trees have been chemically treated and intend to check on this

before I harvest a few leaves for myself. Anyone have a helpful

suggestion or two? I've heard good things about G.B.; while I've

never tried it, I'd like to in the hope that it will help contain

my asthma.



Thanks in advance,

Alicia

<ali00akc@email.uncc.edu>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Muscle Relaxers, please

From: david.gallagher@bnr.ca (David A. Gallagher)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:56:01 GMT



For about 3 months now I have had moderate to very sharp pains in my left

hip, which appears to be causing nerve entrapment, and causing radiating

pain and numbness down the left leg into the ball of the foot (similar to

sciatica). I have cut out physical activities that stress the area, such as

my 2 mile run on Sundays, and heavy leg/lower back weight lifting. I have

also undergone neuromuscular therapy sessions, and they agree it appears to

be muscular related versus spinal/disc related. However, they cannont

release the main trigger points in the hip area after some very painful,

deep tissue sessions. I have now aggravated my mid back area, which I

believe is related to the above.



The suggestion is to use a muscle relaxer (prescription), but I really

don't want to due to its systemic effects. But they purpose seems valid:

release the spasmed muscles so that they can begin to relax and heal. 



I would like to try some herbal-based solutions before going the

prescription route. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thanx in advance,

David



david.gallagher@bnr.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscle Relaxers, please

From: nofa@aol.com (NofA)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:23:40 -0400



The following herbs are recommended for muscle pain:



Valerian

Willow

Ho-Shou-Wu (Fo-Ti)



Many others are also helpful.  I always recommend Louis Tenny's Today's

Herbal Health book.



Potassium is also recommended for muscular tissue.



Also, many people swear that Accupuncture works well for these types of

conditions.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Muscle Relaxers, please

From: dsm2@ix.netcom.com (sherree moore )

Date: 4 Oct 1995 03:32:18 GMT



In <david.gallagher-021095094853@brtpm39c.rtp.bnr.ca> 

david.gallagher@bnr.ca (David A. Gallagher) writes: 



>

>For about 3 months now I have had moderate to very sharp pains in my 

left

>hip, which appears to be causing nerve entrapment, and causing 

radiating

>pain and numbness down the left leg into the ball of the foot (similar 

to

>sciatica). I have cut out physical activities that stress the area, 

such as

>my 2 mile run on Sundays, and heavy leg/lower back weight lifting. I 

have

>also undergone neuromuscular therapy sessions, and they agree it 

appears to

>be muscular related versus spinal/disc related. However, they cannont

>release the main trigger points in the hip area after some very 

painful,

>deep tissue sessions. I have now aggravated my mid back area, which I

>believe is related to the above.

>

>The suggestion is to use a muscle relaxer (prescription), but I really

>don't want to due to its systemic effects. But they purpose seems 

valid:

>release the spasmed muscles so that they can begin to relax and heal. 

>

>I would like to try some herbal-based solutions before going the

>prescription route. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Thanx in advance,

>David

>

>david.gallagher@bnr.ca

>



David, Hi. I believe your best bet for a herbal muscle relaxant is 

skullcap. Many herbs can have a "whole body" relaxing effect, however to 

directly relax skeletal muscle is more challenging with herbs. (I 

welcome correction if I'm wrong). You might also try alfalfa (seed or 

leaf), celery seed, burdock, chaparral and licorice. These help to 

reduce the inflammation in muscles/joints. An inflammed joint can cause 

some serious muscle spasm cycles, therefore by reducing the 

inflammation, you may be able to control the muscle spasms. Another 2 

cents of my advice is to take walks. Not marathons, but leisurely 

strolls. This too can loosen the spasms. Good luck. I've been just where 

you are and it hurts!



Sherree





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chronic Sinus Infection: Any herbal Treatments???

From: moonleoprd@aol.com (MoonLeoprd)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 10:13:39 -0400



In article <44fn63$ac4@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, callie@writepage.com

(Callie) writes:



> My 

>cat and I ping-ponged a sinus infection due to some obscure germ

>(one of the mycoplasmas - won't show up on culture, but can be 

>easily killed with any tetracycline)

>for several years until it occurred to me that he also had 

>sinus problems.  



What symptoms, if any, did your cat exhibit?  My cat occasionally sleeps

on my chest at night and I also suffer from chronic sinus infections.  I

haven't noticed any respiratory problems with my cat but I'm not sure what

I should be looking for.



Thanks,



Moon





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chronic Sinus Infection: Any herbal Treatments???

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 07:49:28 GMT



In article <44os2j$76k@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   moonleoprd@aol.com (MoonLeoprd) wrote:



>(Callie) writes:

>

>> My 

>>cat and I ping-ponged a sinus infection due to some obscure germ



>What symptoms, if any, did your cat exhibit?  My cat occasionally sleeps

>on my chest at night and I also suffer from chronic sinus infections.  I

>haven't noticed any respiratory problems with my cat but I'm not sure what

>I should be looking for.



The cat had the sniffles, sneezed a lot, and occasionally had a runny

nose.  Cats can get various nasal viruses as well, but every episode

I had was preceded by a flare-up of symptoms in the cat.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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From: wwcaps@hiline.net (President)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 14:29:15 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort and Oat Seed (extracts)

From: grahamdj@norfolk.infi.net (Graham)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 14:42:09 GMT



Would someone care to comment on the effectiveness of both St. John's Wort 

and oat seeds (both in extract form) for helping with depression symptoms 

such as inexplicable desire to cry, high stress, irritability, etc. Thank 

you! Graham





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and Oat Seed (extracts)

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:49:42 MST



In article <44oto1$38v@allnews.infi.net> grahamdj@norfolk.infi.net (Graham) writ

es:

>From: grahamdj@norfolk.infi.net (Graham)

>Subject: St. John's Wort and Oat Seed (extracts)

>Date: 2 Oct 1995 14:42:09 GMT



>Would someone care to comment on the effectiveness of both St. John's Wort 

>and oat seeds (both in extract form) for helping with depression symptoms 

>such as inexplicable desire to cry, high stress, irritability, etc. Thank 

>you! Graham



Graham, I don't know about the herbs, but I know that once I eliminated sugar 

and refined carbohydrates from my daytime diet (I do occasionally have 

something with dinner) I have not had a crying jag, depressed feeling, and my 

intense need to always stay at home (agoraphobia) is completely gone.  I also 

dropped any and all anxiety attacks in public settings.  This includes 

nervousness, sweating, etc.  Amazing what the lack of bouncing blood sugar can 

do!!  Good Luck!!                       -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and Oat Seed (extracts)

From: cathydm@aol.com (CathyDM)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 11:13:22 -0400



My experience has been the same as DDR's--I greatly reduced my use of

refined sugar and saw a corresponding drop in my symptoms of depression

and panic.  I've also looked into St. John's wort.  The research I saw

found good results with standardized hypericum extract (such as the stuff

put out by PhytoPharmica).  *However,* the extract works as a monoamine

oxidase inhibitor (not sure about the spelling), which means people taking

it need to restrict their diet--rule out foods containing tyrosamines, I

think, such as cheese.  If you eat cheese while regularly taking an MAOI

(such as St. John's wort) you could end up severely ill.



Cathy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: best source for essential

From: Alexander Goykhman USG <goykhman>

Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:34:25 GMT



fran.mcgee@prostar.com (Fran Mcgee) wrote:

>Can someone please recommend the best source for good quality essential

>oils at good prices.  Thank you



        Canned pink salmon at your local grocery store.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites - which herbs?

From: brentb@ionet.net (Brent Barber)

Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:49:12 -0600



In article <44ejtc$5u2@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

wrote:



> What herbs are good for parasites and other intestinal disorders please?

> Have just returned from Mexico and Montezuma has struck!

> Thanks in advance! 



Take large doses of garlic (preferably natures way Garlicin, or Twinlabs

red garlic), and vitamin C (preferably in crystaline form, from 3 to 10

grams a day). That's for starters. Moderating the dose, depending upon

your constitution, take capsules or tinctures of Black walnut hulls,

Chapparal, wormwood (artemesia), and Pumpkin seed. Grapefruit seed extract

is also useful for daily preventation.



-- 

- brentb@ionet.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites - which herbs?

From: lawren.freebody@greatesc.com (Lawren Freebody)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 21:03:00 GMT



JS>What herbs are good for parasites and other intestinal disorders please?

JS>Have just returned from Mexico and Montezuma has struck!

JS>Thanks in advance! Jsananda@aol.com



Are you familiar with grapefruit seed extract? It's available in most

health food stores for $10 to $12 in a small bottle that will last you

forever because it's so concentrated.



As a *preventive* measure, they recommend you drink 6 drops in a glass

of water each morning. Even at this diluted dosage, it's bitter!

Supposedly it kills the microbes that cause dysentery on contact.

Hospitals have been using it for years because it kills all sorts

of nasty bugs while at the same time being safe to drink as well

as being biodegradable. My family and I always take it with us

when we go to Mexico... and haven't got sick since.



Lawren





 * SLMR 2.1a * 1st rule of marriage: If you're right, apologize NOW!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites - which herbs?

From: jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:55:03 -0500



Hi!  As a matter of fact I am taking the grapefruit seed extract, and it

is quite bitter. I have been sick for  a month but gradually I am getting

better.  I am also taking wormwood extract, and black walnut hull extract.

 I also am eating pumpkin seeds, and pomagranate seeds.  I seem to be

getting better so I will continue.  Thanks for your advice!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Best Time to take MELATONIN

From: HKHW89A@prodigy.com (Andrew Popel)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 01:10:07 GMT



I have noticed different effects when I take melatonin at diferent times. 

 If I take it right before bed it seems to be different than if it is 

taken about an hour before bed. Any experiences? Please share!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Best Time to take MELATONIN

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:05:24 -0500



Andrew-



The first night I took 3mg while I was in bed...it was after 2 a.m. when 

I finally got over the "twitchy" feeling (I'd almost call it a speed rush 

kinda thing).  But when I finally fell asleep, I was gone!



Thereafter, I took (and still do) take it about 8 p.m. (bedtime is 11) 

and it seems fine - no real decernable effects....except I seem to sleep 

better.  I don't remember dreams, small noises don't wake me I guess I am 

getting more REM sleep-but no one is around and awake to confirm.  



No problem getting up with the alarm, either.



Cissy



On 3 Oct 1995, Andrew Popel wrote:



> I have noticed different effects when I take melatonin at diferent times. 

>  If I take it right before bed it seems to be different than if it is 

> taken about an hour before bed. Any experiences? Please share!

> 

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Best Time to take MELATONIN

From: johnpratt@aol.com (JohnPratt)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 21:08:58 -0400



I think it increased my REM as well.  The problem is that I did remember

my dreams.  I didn't feel like I was getting a good night's sleep because

'em; they weren't always pleasent.  [I seen several people make this same

observation.]  I now take it several hours before bed time (and only

1.5mg).  Even this amount has a potent effect.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Acuyo

From: trdchsr@aol.com (TRDCHSR)

Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:53:29 -0400



A friend is interested in a source for this mexican culinary herb.  I

believe that she would like some seeds to grow it herself. (if this is

possible in N.Y.) Any information would be appreciated.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: giant cold sore!

From: campbell@angis.su.oz.au (Rowena Campbell)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 03:13:52 GMT



Speaking of giant cold sores, I have just recovered from the most enormous

one. Of course, my neighbour had to finally decide to ask me out on the day

that it came up, and then introduced me to his friends. I wanted to say to

him "Are you sure?  Can you see this thing on my lip?" but what can you do?



I've found a good technique for the control of cold sores. It isn't fool

proof (witness the above), but it's helped enormously. I hadn't had one for

months since following this procedure.



Yes, cold sores are certainly brought out by stress. But they can also be

stimulated by eating foods high in the amino acid ARGININE. This includes

chocolate, nuts and eggs. Since being informed of this I have minimised my

intake of these foods. I have noticed that:



1/ I ate 3/4 of a packet of chocolate biscuits and woke up the next morning

with a cold sore.



2/ I ate an egg and salad roll for lunch and had a cold sore the next day.



3/ A friend of mine had 3 egg-based meals in one day and developed a cold

sore.



4/ My last cold sore arose after I had Thai food 2 nights in a row which

contained peanuts and eggs. I don't think the chilli in it helped either as

it stressed my delicate mouth(!).



The cold sore virus (Herpes simplex) is suppressed by the amino acid

LYSINE. This can be taken internally whenever you feel a tingle coming on.

It is easily obtained from Chemists in tablet form. I take it often. It's

an enormous help. I have heard it can also be applied topically.



I find cold sore lotions next to useless, although I understand that some

people find them helpful. Washing the blister with warm salt water is

recommended. 



It is highly important to wash your hands regularly with warm water and

soap when you have a cold sore as it is very infectious, and warm water and

soap is one of the best ways to kill stray virus particles that are lurking

around. The virus is passed on by direct contact with the blister - so no

kissing and no sharing of food or eating-utensils! And no fiddling with the

damn thing either!



Many people do not realise that the only difference between Herpes simplex

I and II is virulence. Both strains cause cold sores and both strains can

also cause genital herpes. It is possible to give yourself genital herpes

by transferring particles with your hands from the blister on your mouth to

your genitals. (This is a grizzly thought and makes me neurotically clean

when I have a cold sore. It's an especial pain for women who are most

likely to be run-down and therefore most likely to develope a cold sore

when they have their period). You can also get them in your eyes and every

time you have one it leaves a scar on the retina which causes a blind spot.



And, of course, once you have the virus in your system, you have it for life.



Have I scared you enough now? :-)



I believe there is a fairly new anti-viral drug on the market but I believe

it is very expensive. Ask your doctor if you feel particularly concerned.



Regards,



Rowena



PS There's nothing worse than having a cold sore and finding that everyone

you meet talks to you with their eyes fixed on your mouth instead of your

eyes! If you do meet any unfortunate sufferers, please try not to gaze with

fascinated curiosity at their disfigured lips. They feel bad enough already! 

:-)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: giant cold sore!

From: itype@aol.com (Itype)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 17:08:33 -0400



A client of mine (I'm a typist, not a physician) happened to mention she

was on the way to the store to buy a pint of whole milk for her son to put

on his cold sore. She claims she puts it in a small container, gives him a

cotton swab and he keeps reapplying the whole milk to the cold sore. He

does this over the course of the evening and by morning the sore is gone.

Worth a try anyway, huh!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Belladonna

From: pixintl@interaccess.com (PIX INT'L)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:37:47 -0600



All day long I had the symptoms of coming down with the flu.I stopped

in the drugstore and purchased FLU SOLUTION PLUS-Homeopathic Cold and Flu 

medicine.I feel 99% better with no "Druggy after effects".

The second ingredient lised is Belladonna.

BTW-my mother told me when she was growing up in the 40's,her grandmother

used to pluck this out of the yard(it grew wild) to cure about anything

that a family member would get.Mom said it worked and all of her backyard

remedies did as well!

***********************************************************************

[[O]]       <<PIX INTERNATIONAL>> specializing in photography for the

  |         entertainment industry,publishers,corporate and public    

// \\       relations. Stock photos available,archives begin in 1978.  

***********************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Belladonna

From: sosha@pacificrim.net (Sosha Tolstoi)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 07:43:48 GMT



In article <pixintl.1078.0069CCAD@interaccess.com>, pixintl@interaccess.com (PIX

 INT'L) says:

>

>All day long I had the symptoms of coming down with the flu.I stopped

>in the drugstore and purchased FLU SOLUTION PLUS-Homeopathic Cold and Flu 

>medicine.I feel 99% better with no "Druggy after effects".

>The second ingredient lised is Belladonna.

>BTW-my mother told me when she was growing up in the 40's,her grandmother

>used to pluck this out of the yard(it grew wild) to cure about anything

>that a family member would get.Mom said it worked and all of her backyard

>remedies did as well!

>***********************************************************************

>[[O]]       <<PIX INTERNATIONAL>> specializing in photography for the

>  |         entertainment industry,publishers,corporate and public    

>// \\       relations. Stock photos available,archives begin in 1978.  

>***********************************************************************

 Re:  Belladona



Homeopathically it is non-toxic.  Use of the berries or an

extract from them can kill you, it is a toxic alkaloid.  Minute amounts

found in the antihistamine, orinade, dry the sinuses.  Movie stars

use belladona drops to dialate their pupils, as do opthamologists

in eye exams.



Sosha



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Belladonna

From: rwtwtch@delphi.com

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 21:19:03 -0500



I have just been prescribed a belladonna and gold preparation for

high blood pressure I not sure how it works.

z





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Belladonna

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 08:42:33 GMT



In article <BxFD3Cn.rwtwtch@delphi.com>, rwtwtch@delphi.com wrote:



>I have just been prescribed a belladonna and gold preparation for

>high blood pressure I not sure how it works.

>z

THEN ASK THE PERSON WHO PRESCRIBED IT!  



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Belladonna

From: ebok@eworld.com (Ebok)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 02:12:36 -0700



Belladonna should only be used by experienced herbalists.  It is highly

toxic and a single leaf may place someone in a coma.  This is not stuff

for newbies.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Studies

From: pixintl@interaccess.com (PIX INT'L)

Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:40:45 -0600



Can you re-post this in simple layman English please :)

Thanks!

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[[O]]       <<PIX INTERNATIONAL>> specializing in photography for the

  |         entertainment industry,publishers,corporate and public    

// \\       relations. Stock photos available,archives begin in 1978.  

***********************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Studies

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 02:46:49 GMT



pixintl@interaccess.com (PIX INT'L) wrote:



>Can you re-post this in simple layman English please :)

>Thanks!

>***********************************************************************

>[[O]]       <<PIX INTERNATIONAL>> specializing in photography for the

>  |         entertainment industry,publishers,corporate and public    

>// \\       relations. Stock photos available,archives begin in 1978.  

>***********************************************************************



If you are replying to the post with ??? abstracts re: Echinacea, then

I thoroughly agree!! 



I have no idea how to even decipher the listings!  The letters, eg MH,

mean what??  How to sift wheat from chaff in such a long and confusing

posting is time consuming.

Thanks for the thought, however.

:-)

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diabetes & Chromium

From: teleback@websoftware.com (Bill Barnes)

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 10:27:39 GMT



We have hear that Chromium is good for Diabetics.  The health food

store has several different kinds.  Which one should a diabetic take?

Or does it matter? 



tia

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginkgo & drugs

From: haoma@news.dorsai.org (**)

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:08:57 GMT



I've read that ginkgo biloba is fairly popular in Europe.  Does anyone 

know if there are any prescription drugs that ginkgo should not be taken 

with?  Specifically, I'm wondering about vasotec and zoloft (and baby 

aspirin).



Thanks.



Mary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo & drugs

From: intimage@aol.com (Intimage)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 20:34:21 -0400



Ginkgo Biloba is made from the oldest living tree....it is all natural...

so I don't see how it would be a problem with interacting with any drug.

I take it along with Prozac and Xanax....have for about a year with no

ill effects.

Hope this helps!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo & drugs

From: aelita@netins.net

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 14:59:39 -0600



In article <44skqd$d2g@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, intimage@aol.com (Intimage)

wrote:



> Ginkgo Biloba is made from the oldest living tree....it is all natural...

> so I don't see how it would be a problem with interacting with any drug.

> I take it along with Prozac and Xanax....have for about a year with no

> ill effects.

> Hope this helps!



just because ginkgo is from a natural source hardly makes it harmless.  

cyanide, ricin, muscarine, and the tropane alkaloids all come from

plants/mushrooms, all natural......

but will kill you.

I'm not saying that ginkgo is harmful (the lit says it's pretty benign)- 

but that line of reasoning is as bout as flawed as you can get.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo & drugs

From: lucy0001@aol.com (Lucy0001)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 17:24:57 -0400



I use ginko bilboa with baby aspirin, synthroid (for low thyroid),

allopurinol (for gout), and proscar. Have had no side-effects that I'm

aware of....



GeoBiles





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo & drugs

From: harlan2@ix.netcom.com (Harlan Hoffman )

Date: 8 Oct 1995 14:53:21 GMT



In <451if9$rn2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> lucy0001@aol.com (Lucy0001)

writes: 

>

>I use ginko bilboa with baby aspirin, synthroid (for low thyroid),

>allopurinol (for gout), and proscar. Have had no side-effects that I'm

>aware of....

>

>GeoBiles



I use Gingko with L-Dep, Hydergine, KH3, Vinpocetin, DHEA,...I'm

feeling really healthy, and well for about six months so far.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo & drugs

From: harlan2@ix.netcom.com (Harlan Hoffman )

Date: 8 Oct 1995 14:59:00 GMT



In <451if9$rn2@newsbf02.news.aol.com> lucy0001@aol.com (Lucy0001)

writes: 

>

>I use ginko bilboa with baby aspirin, synthroid (for low thyroid),

>allopurinol (for gout), and proscar. Have had no side-effects that I'm

>aware of....

>

>GeoBiles



I have been experiencing amazing results with just 50 mg. of DHEA a day

for about two months now. I feel very much more 'male' sexually with my

much younger lady, I'm mid-fifties, she's 35. I also have very little

feelings of not OK, which used to run me more and which I haven't

experienced in this trial period. I also have been asked by nearly

everyone how much weight had I lost, and in fact have not lost any.

Also people have been telling me how great I look. The Point: does the

use of DHEA interfere with the production of my own body's DHEA?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: nofa@aol.com (NofA)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 09:08:16 -0400



According to Louise Tenney in Today's Herbal Health:



Garlic is nature's antibiotic.  The properties of garlic have the ability

of stimulating cell growth and activity.  It has a rejuvenating effect on

all body functions.  It is a health building and disease preventative herb

and dissolves cholesterol in the bloodstream.  Garlic stimulates the

lymphatic system to throw off waster material.  Garlic opens up the blood

vessels and reduces blood pressure in hypertensive patients.  It contains

antiobiotics that are effective against bacteria which may be resistant to

other antibiotics.  It is called Russian penicillin.  Garlic does not

destroy the body's normal flora.  This herb contains vitamins A and C.  It

also contains selenium, which is closely related to vitamin E in

biological activity.  It contains sulphur, calcium, manganese, copper, and

a lot of vitamin B1.  Garlic also contains some iron and it is high in

potassium and zinc.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: ricks@vivanet.com (Rick Scott)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:20:21 GMT



I'd love to eat raw garlic -- and do when I have a cold, flu -- but it

upsets my stomach. Any suggestions on how to make it more stomach-

friendly?



Thanks,



Rick



In article <44rck0$1aq@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, nofa@aol.com (NofA) wrote:

>According to Louise Tenney in Today's Herbal Health:

>

>Garlic is nature's antibiotic.  The properties of garlic have the ability

>of stimulating cell growth and activity.  It has a rejuvenating effect on

>all body functions.  It is a health building and disease preventative herb

>and dissolves cholesterol in the bloodstream.  Garlic stimulates the

>lymphatic system to throw off waster material.  Garlic opens up the blood

>vessels and reduces blood pressure in hypertensive patients.  It contains

>antiobiotics that are effective against bacteria which may be resistant to

>other antibiotics.  It is called Russian penicillin.  Garlic does not

>destroy the body's normal flora.  This herb contains vitamins A and C.  It

>also contains selenium, which is closely related to vitamin E in

>biological activity.  It contains sulphur, calcium, manganese, copper, and

>a lot of vitamin B1.  Garlic also contains some iron and it is high in

>potassium and zinc.



*************************************************************

************************ Rick Scott *************************

************* S.O.U.N.D., H.E.R.B., MurMur, GATB ************

********************* ricks@vivanet.com *********************

*************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 04 Oct 1995 06:46:11 GMT



In message ID <44rut5$2fa@vivanews.vivanet.com> on 10/3/95, Rick Scott wrote:



: I'd love to eat raw garlic -- and do when I have a cold, flu -- but it

: upsets my stomach. Any suggestions on how to make it more stomach-

: friendly?

: 

: Thanks,

: 

: Rick



Too Hot. Try another herb.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: John Egan <jegan@theriver.com>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 16:49:42 GMT



YES! put your whole garlic pod in a pan, drizzle with olive oil, and cook at 325

 

degrees, 45 minutes or until soft. peel the cloves out and eat as is or mashed o

n 

bread.   tae



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: carteffect@aol.com (CArtEffect)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 13:34:29 -0400



I agree with all the benefits attributed to garlic, but made a terrible

mistake one day. Just want to share this for anyone thinking about doing

it. I was reading a lengthy article and some other chapters in a book

about all the benfits of garlic. The article said many people ate raw

garlic. I like garlic, so I thought I would give it a try. Now, before I

go on, I want to qualify that I may have had something wrong with my

stomach at the time to attribute to this reaction. I'm not trying to

downplay garlic, just warn people to think first. I fixed a bowl of broth

type soup (some noodle I think) and put three or four large split garlic

cloves in the bowl and microwaved. It was really a stupid thing to do, so

no one has to write and tell me so. For three or four days afterwards, I

had the worst case of heartburn I ever had in my life. I couldn't take

anything to relieve it and I nearly went to the doctor. All of that

settled down when a week or so later I started having severe gall bladder

type pains. Every test in the world was done but they could never really

say what was the matter, including gall bladder. I sheepishly told my

doctor what I had done and all he could suggest was that I might have had

a mild stomack irritation that the garlic overwhelmingly aggrivated. So

people, you know your stomachs and what they will take. Some people could

digest nails, others not. Think about that first. Garlic is a great herb,

but I guess it's in capsules for a reason. 

CArtEffect





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 04:38:20 GMT



In article <453pb5$jmn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

CArtEffect <carteffect@aol.com> wrote:

>I agree with all the benefits attributed to garlic, but made a terrible

>mistake one day.  [..]



Your reaction is unusual.  But a good indicater that anyone trying

any new herb should approach it cautiously.



I'm not a heavy garlic user; 1 head lasts me 2-5 days.  I eat most of

it raw, in salads and sandwiches.  I use plenty in cooking, probably

10x standard recipe suggestions.  3q homebrew spaghetti or enchilada

sauce gets 2 heads, 2q hommos tahini gets 2 heads.



I've got a friend who grows it, eats at least a head a day, raw.



Garlic relieves gastric distress in many folk.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



"Rule 1:  Never play with the food"  - Marie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

Date: 7 Oct 95 16:35:34 GMT



In <45507s$qbe@newstand.syr.edu> ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson) writes:



>In article <453pb5$jmn@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

>CArtEffect <carteffect@aol.com> wrote:

>>I agree with all the benefits attributed to garlic, but made a terrible

>>mistake one day.  [..]



>Your reaction is unusual.  But a good indicater that anyone trying

>any new herb should approach it cautiously.



I agree!!! Start with maybe half a clove at a time, then increase the 

amount. Garlic strengthens digestive tract, for sure. It very clearly 

helps me digest dairy and fat. I really can't live without it at this 

point. 



And I never could understand all this talk about its bad smell. It has a 

wonderful spicy smell, I love it! It may be that there are people who 

develop a different smell when they eat garlic; hope I'm not one of them.



Ari





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 07 Oct 1995 14:41:05 GMT



In message ID <453pb5$jmn@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/6/95, CArtEffect wrote:



: For three or four days afterwards, I

: had the worst case of heartburn I ever had in my life.



Garlic is a Hot herb. If you had this reaction, you probably have a Hot

Stomach. Are you skipping or delaying meals? Have strong sweet cravings? Feel

tired a lot? Drink coffee?



I wholeheartedly agree--garlic is not for everyone. Putting it in capsules

makes no difference, other than that dry garlic is somewhat less Hot.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: pmiles@nyc.pipeline.com (Peter Miles)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 21:09:52 -0400



Garlic is recognised by the body as a toxin. as such it switches the liver

into high gear as your body tries to expel it asap. This is groovy in the

sense that other (more dangerous) toxins get expelled at the same time -

hence antibiotic effect. However it also puts a strain on the liver and

should be used in moderation.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Benefits of eating raw garlic?

From: mreg@panix.com (Mitchell Regenbogen)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 23:55:33 GMT



In article <45f5h0$3it@pipe2.nyc.pipeline.com>,

   pmiles@nyc.pipeline.com (Peter Miles) wrote:

>Garlic is recognised by the body as a toxin. as such it switches the liver

>into high gear as your body tries to expel it asap. This is groovy in the

>sense that other (more dangerous) toxins get expelled at the same time -

>hence antibiotic effect. However it also puts a strain on the liver and

>should be used in moderation.



Garlic strains the liver?  Do you have any authority for that?



------------------------------------------------------------------

| Mitch Regenbogen         |                                     |

| mreg@panix.com           |   "I like to watch."                |

| Brooklyn, New York       |                 --Chauncey Gardner  |



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: On-line magazine: Delicious!

From: Diane Marie Chan <daschan@pop.4.jaring.my>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 13:52:59 GMT



Would like to share with others a website promoting "natural living" and 

herbs, homeopathy, etc:

http://www.newhope.com/public/delicious/D!_home.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Algy's herb page

From: Steve Ward <sward@frank.mtsu.edu>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 14:44:11 GMT



Comprehensive links for the herb enthusiast.



http://frank.mtsu.edu/~sward/herb/herbpic.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pycnogenol

From: bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom)

Date: Tue,  3 Oct 1995 15:31:00 GMT



Hi Max,



        Do you have Pycnogenol available?



        If, so how much does it cost?  How many milligrams per capsule?



Thanks.



Bill Malcom



---

 * SLMR 2.1a * "Let God-inspired scripture decide between us." St. Basil





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bill.malcom@christnet.org

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 23:30:12 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Head Lice

From: "Ellen J. Sheffer" <esheffer@biggulp.callamer.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:18:57 -0700



Does anyone know how to get rid of head lice using herbal remedies?  I 

have had some success by adding rosemary, tea tree, pennyroyal and 

eucalyptus to regular shampoo and cream rinse, but I have to use it every 

single night.  I have been battling these bugs for months now.  They are 

rampant at my daughter's school.  I get rid of them for a month or two at 

a time and then she gets them again from someone at school.



I refuse to use insecticides.  



Any help you can suggest would be appreciated.



esheffer@slonet.org





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Head Lice

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 18:19:37 GMT



In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.951003091602.25213E-100000@biggulp.callamer.com>,

   "Ellen J. Sheffer" <esheffer@biggulp.callamer.com> wrote:

>Does anyone know how to get rid of head lice using herbal remedies?  I 

>have had some success by adding rosemary, tea tree, pennyroyal and 

>eucalyptus to regular shampoo and cream rinse, but I have to use it every 

>single night.  

>I have been battling these bugs for months now.  They are 

>rampant at my daughter's school.  I get rid of them for a month or two at 

>a time and then she gets them again from someone at school.



Ellen - 

  You are fighting a losing battle.  Go to the school adminsitration

and demand that they send home an advisory to the parents about the

epidemic and list the treatments available, herbal and otherwise.

  ALL persons in ALL families connected with the school will have to

be treated - with whatever they feel comfortable with, but it has to

be an attack on all heads at the same time, and with methods effective

enough to kill the eggs. You will never grt rid of them on your own - 

because it is so easy to be reinfested.



  Teach your daughter to never borrow or lend hair tools and toys, never 

try on another's hat, headband, scarf or anything!!!  That's a major 

spreading factor - shared items rather than head-to-head contact.



>I refuse to use insecticides.

 There are pyrethrum-based shampoos - it's an insecticide, but from a 

plant. Would that be acceptable?  What you are using is clearly not

working very well.



>I get rid of them for a month or two at 

>a time and then she gets them again from someone at school.

  This makes me think that you might not be getting the eggs: they

have a life cycle (egg to adult laying eggs) of about a month.

The eggs hatch in 7-10 days, so repeat whatever remedies you have 

found to be successful once a week to catch any new hatchlings before

they can reproduce.

 You have to de-bug hair items - hot water and soap, or seal them in a 

plastic bag and leave it somewhere for a week or two to starve the 

lice.  they can live only a few days without feeding. A black plastic

bag left in a sunny spot will kill them quickly from the heat.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Head Lice

From: redswan@dorsai.org

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:28:40 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.951003091602.25213E-100000@biggulp.callamer.com>,

>   "Ellen J. Sheffer" <esheffer@biggulp.callamer.com> wrote:



>>I have been battling these bugs for months now.  They are 

>>rampant at my daughter's school.  I get rid of them for a month or two at 

>>a time and then she gets them again from someone at school.



                 (stuff snipped)



>be an attack on all heads at the same time, and with methods effective

>enough to kill the eggs. You will never grt rid of them on your own - 

>because it is so easy to be reinfested.



>  Teach your daughter to never borrow or lend hair tools and toys, never 

>try on another's hat, headband, scarf or anything!!!  That's a major 

>spreading factor - shared items rather than head-to-head contact.



   (snip)



>>I get rid of them for a month or two at 

>>a time and then she gets them again from someone at school.

>  This makes me think that you might not be getting the eggs: they

>have a life cycle (egg to adult laying eggs) of about a month.

>The eggs hatch in 7-10 days, so repeat whatever remedies you have 

>found to be successful once a week to catch any new hatchlings before

>they can reproduce.

> You have to de-bug hair items - hot water and soap, or seal them in a 

>plastic bag and leave it somewhere for a week or two to starve the 

>lice.  they can live only a few days without feeding. A black plastic

>bag left in a sunny spot will kill them quickly from the heat.



        Don't forget to treat any bedding or other places your daughter might

place her head. They can leave eggs behind or might lay eggs there. My

daughter had a doll that had to be treated when she got them years

ago.

**************************************************************



      Rita M. Black                   Redswan@dorsai.org

                                      Starmaid@aol.com



***************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dong Quai info??

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 19:09:39 GMT



In article <1995Sep25.231307.1@orion.alaska.edu>, isjlf@orion.alaska.edu wrote:



> Can anyone tell me about Dong Quai, or tell me where to find info on it?

> I saw a posting recommending Pau D'arco & Dong Quai on this board for

> uterine fibroids and want to try it. My MD's only solution is a hysterectomy.

> I like the parts I was born with and want to hang on to them, but the pain

> was so bad last week that I passed out for a few minutes, then woke up and

> threw up. It's time to do *something*!

> 

> Any sources of info would be greatly appreciated :> i don't want to take

> anything without knowing about the contraindications first...

> 

> Jan

> 

> isjlf@orion.alaska.edu



In my opinion, Dong Quai is SELDOM indicated for use with fibroids.  Dong

Quai is an estrogen synergist; many (if not most) fibroids contain

estrogen-binding cells and in fact may be stimulated by Dong Quai.  (I

believe that this assessment holds up in the TCM energetic model of its

use as well)  



My suggestions would be the use of 20 drops of FRESH Trillium tincture

(whole plant or even the foliage is fine...it saves the plants from being

harvested only for their bulbs/tubers) with 60-90 drops of fresh or

recently dried Shepherd's Purse tincture (Capsella bursa-pastoris), or 2-4

oz. of a 1:32 tea of the recent herb (1:32 means a ratio of 1 ounce of

dried herb in a quart of tea, or, more loosely, 2-4 grams of the herb in

tea).  This should be taken 3 times a day when the symptoms are acute.



This helps to heal the tissues.  Fibroids are an organic condition, that

is, they are impairments of tissue function and structure.  They have a

CAUSE, although it seems ill understood.  Sometimes this treatment holds. 

Sometimes the fibroids return to a symptomatic state and regrow...much

depends on where they are found within the layers of the uterine tissues.



I would also suggest attempting to go onto an "estrogen diminishing" diet,

and think about moving towards more soy beans and other legumes, as well

as the consuption of more Brassicas, such as broccoli and the like.  There

are many books on this subject, bearing more sophisticated information

(I'm an herb guy).  I would be careful, living in Alaska and all, about

cutting down TOO much on your protein and fat consumption...just IMPROVE

it.  



I, frankly, have no idea why you would want to use Pau D'Arco (Tabebuia

spp.).  It is a useful anti-oxidant and anti-fungal.  I fail to see its

implication with fibroids.  Besides, it is a pocket-change byproduct of

rain-forest timbering...don't let anyone fool you otherwise.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dong Quai info??

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 04 Oct 1995 04:00:16 GMT



In message ID <hrbmoore-0310951316570001@hrbmoore.rt66.com> on 10/3/95,

Michael Moore wrote:



: In my opinion, Dong Quai is SELDOM indicated for use with fibroids.  Dong

: Quai is an estrogen synergist; many (if not most) fibroids contain

: estrogen-binding cells and in fact may be stimulated by Dong Quai.  (I

: believe that this assessment holds up in the TCM energetic model of its

: use as well)  



Not really. Fibroids due to Heat, yes. But fibroids due to Blood Stagnation,

no. Dang gui, in formula, would certainly be used in such a case.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: dusty <dusty@indy.net>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:44:58 GMT



Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

clearing some land... 

In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.



Thanks!



Diana





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 08:43:21 GMT



On 3 Oct 1995 22:44:58 GMT, dusty <dusty@indy.net> wrote:



>Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

>clearing some land... 

>In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

>wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

>they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

>

>

>Thanks!

>

>Diana

>

>

I have a sort of immunity to poison ivy,  Only if I handle it or walk

through it repetitively do I feel an itch and I just wash off the area

with soap and water to remove the irritating oils.  But.. I've been

told, that Jewelweed, crushed in your hands and rubbed on the areas

can relieve you of the problem.  Jewelweed often grows right alongside

poison ivy, so nature has provided a cure right next to the cause for

you.  They are also known as "Touch-Me-Nots" because if you touch the

ripe seed pods they explode and scatter seeds around.  Fun to show

them to kids when in the woods.  (Check your wild-flower books for a

picture and description.)



Another cure, though I've not personally known anyone to try it, came

from an old Eul (sp?) Gibbons book I once had.  He recommended that

people who live in highly infested areas of poison-ivy and need to

work around them all summer long should build up an immunity to them

by:



(If I remember right).... when the very first signs of poison-ivy

leaves appear in spring, just out of bud-stage, you should eat 3 of

the leaves.  Then in (was it the next day? 3 days later?...) you need

to eat three more leaves which have now grown a bit larger.

Basically, you eat three leaves each day (I think) as the leaves grow,

until you are actually eating three grown leaves.  Eat them as the

plant grows them.  By the time you've eaten a grown leaf, you are

immune, but ONLY for that year.



I KNOW I have the dosages and spacing of them wrong, but maybe someone

out there has an old Eul Gibbons book they can check to rectify this?



I'd just stick with the Jewelweed until you hear further on this

Gibbons' method. :)  Any other ideas?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:24:49 GMT



Oh, you poor thing. I sympathize heartily because this spring I got 

digusted with all the poison ivy growing between me and my blackberries 

and took the weed whacker to it. BAD idea. There is an excellent section 

on poison ivy remedies in the medicinal FAQ which I've had the 

opportunity to study in detail for the last several months. Best advice 

of all seems to be don't scratch. Although this is VERYVERY hard to do! 

Short of that, any product which makes the irritated area numb is great 

because it helps you stop scratching. Solarcaine works for me, and 

contains a bit of aloe to boot.

And one more thing-- Eul Gibbons may think it's a good idea to consume 

poison ivy, but it could _kill_ you. Systemic poison ivy goes far beyond 

irritating in its effects on your system, especially if you're allergic 

already.

Good Luck!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 08:39:19 -0400



DO NOT EAT POSION IVY IF YOU ARE ALLERGIC TO IT!!!



I have heard this "remedy" so many times over so many years and guess

what,  a person can ACTUALLY DIE from ingestion (please no flames on this

statement).  It does not matter if the plant is old, young, stale, root,

rotted --------  DO NOT EAT IT.



I am sure that there are a few people who can actually eat anything

(including turnips) without adverse reaction --- however the rest of us

have to be careful.  There are several creams on the market now that can

be purchased and used --- a much safer method.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 17:05:14 GMT



In article <44thfv$e5u@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,

   powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi) wrote:



>Another cure, though I've not personally known anyone to try it, came

>from an old Eul (sp?) Gibbons book I once had.  He recommended that

>people who live in highly infested areas of poison-ivy and need to

>work around them all summer long should build up an immunity to them

>by:

>

>(If I remember right).... when the very first signs of poison-ivy

>leaves appear in spring, just out of bud-stage, you should eat 3 of

>the leaves.  Then in (was it the next day? 3 days later?...) you need

>to eat three more leaves which have now grown a bit larger.

>Basically, you eat three leaves each day (I think) as the leaves grow,

>until you are actually eating three grown leaves.  Eat them as the

>plant grows them.  By the time you've eaten a grown leaf, you are

>immune, but ONLY for that year.



Have you ever seen poison ivy rash in the mouth, tongue, esophagous

etc.   (not to mention what happend upon exit!)

This could kill a sensitive person very quickly as the tissues swell!



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 11:42:02 GMT



On Wed, 04 Oct 95 17:05:14 GMT, callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <44thfv$e5u@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,

>   powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi) wrote:

>

>>Another cure, though I've not personally known anyone to try it, came

>>from an old Eul (sp?) Gibbons book I once had.  He recommended that

>>people who live in highly infested areas of poison-ivy and need to

>>work around them all summer long should build up an immunity to them

>>by:

>>

>>(If I remember right).... when the very first signs of poison-ivy

>>leaves appear in spring, just out of bud-stage, you should eat 3 of

>>the leaves.  Then in (was it the next day? 3 days later?...) you need

>>to eat three more leaves which have now grown a bit larger.

>>Basically, you eat three leaves each day (I think) as the leaves grow,

>>until you are actually eating three grown leaves.  Eat them as the

>>plant grows them.  By the time you've eaten a grown leaf, you are

>>immune, but ONLY for that year.

>

>Have you ever seen poison ivy rash in the mouth, tongue, esophagous

>etc.   (not to mention what happend upon exit!)

>This could kill a sensitive person very quickly as the tissues swell!

>

>Callie

>

>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



Well, there you have it -- DO NOT EAT POISON IVY!!!  



After all, what did Eul Gibbons know? He actually died from an ulcer.

True story.  Yet, in the back of my mind, and with my immunity to the

stuff, it 'seems' plausible -- i.e. eat to build up an immunity.  But

the "nay"s have it here.  And as always, unless the situation is

immediately life-threatening, NEVER take any further risk that COULD

BE life-threatening to fix the first threat.  But then, we'd not have

digitalis as a cure if that philosophy was followed either ...

nevermind... just thinking out loud... :)  (Any old-wives or

old-husbands of old-wives to back up the "eating of ivy-leaves"

story/myth/fact here?  Would be interesting to hear about it from

someone that actually uses that method ..... ah, maybe they are dead

now.....  was it old-age?  Or poison-ivy leaves .... the world may

never know. 



Hey Eul??? About that ivy story....  Ooo, sorry... one too many

grape-nuts eh? Rest in peace guy, and thanks for starting me on

knowing plants and herbs.  And just WHAT are those things

anyway...."grape-nuts".... is this some form of detritus in the bottom

of a distillery-tank that they scraped off and dried and couldn't put

into a legal landfill?  Hey, tastes good, but I'll be danged if I ever

saw a "grape-nut" hanging off a branch somewhere... have you?  I'm SO

suspicious of anything that doesn't look it could have grown on a

branch or stem -- if there isn't visible, natural plant or animal

fibre in it, my mouth won't open for it.  :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 18:36:37 -0800



grape-nut are what you get when they neuter little boy grapes. ;-)



Yiz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 10:12:07 GMT



On Wed, 04 Oct 95 17:05:14 GMT, callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <44thfv$e5u@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,

>   powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi) wrote:

>

>>Another cure, though I've not personally known anyone to try it, came

>>from an old Eul (sp?) Gibbons book I once had.  He recommended that

>>people who live in highly infested areas of poison-ivy and need to

>>work around them all summer long should build up an immunity to them

>>by:

>>

>>(If I remember right).... when the very first signs of poison-ivy

>>leaves appear in spring, just out of bud-stage, you should eat 3 of

>>the leaves.  Then in (was it the next day? 3 days later?...) you need

>>to eat three more leaves which have now grown a bit larger.

>>Basically, you eat three leaves each day (I think) as the leaves grow,

>>until you are actually eating three grown leaves.  Eat them as the

>>plant grows them.  By the time you've eaten a grown leaf, you are

>>immune, but ONLY for that year.

>

>Have you ever seen poison ivy rash in the mouth, tongue, esophagous

>etc.   (not to mention what happend upon exit!)

>This could kill a sensitive person very quickly as the tissues swell!

>

>Callie

>

>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



Well, there you have it -- DO NOT EAT POISON IVY!!!  



After all, what did Eul Gibbons know? He actually died from an ulcer.

True story.  Yet, in the back of my mind, and with my immunity to the

stuff, it 'seems' plausible -- i.e. eat to build up an immunity.  But

the "nay"s have it here.  And as always, unless the situation is

immediately life-threatening, NEVER take any further risk that COULD

BE life-threatening to fix the first threat.  But then, we'd not have

digitalis as a cure if that philosophy was followed either ...

nevermind... just thinking out loud... :)  (Any old-wives or

old-husbands of old-wives to back up the "eating of ivy-leaves"

story/myth/fact here?  Would be interesting to hear about it from

someone that actually uses that method ..... ah, maybe they are dead

now.....  was it old-age?  Or poison-ivy leaves .... the world may

never know. 



Hey Eul??? About that ivy story....  Ooo, sorry... one too many

grape-nuts eh? Rest in peace guy, and thanks for starting me on

knowing plants and herbs.  And just WHAT are those things

anyway...."grape-nuts".... is this some form of detritus in the bottom

of a distillery-tank that they scraped off and dried and couldn't put

into a legal landfill?  Hey, tastes good, but I'll be danged if I ever

saw a "grape-nut" hanging off a branch somewhere... have you?  I'm SO

suspicious of anything that doesn't look it could have grown on a

branch or stem -- if there isn't visible, natural plant or animal

fibre in it, my mouth won't open for it.  :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: barthele@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (barthelemy kevin)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 02:54:37 GMT



Powaqqatsi (powaq@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: On 3 Oct 1995 22:44:58 GMT, dusty <dusty@indy.net> wrote:



: >Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

: >clearing some land... 

: >In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

: >wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

: >they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

: >

: >

: >Thanks!

: >

: >Diana

: >

: >

: I have a sort of immunity to poison ivy,  Only if I handle it or walk

: through it repetitively do I feel an itch and I just wash off the area

: with soap and water to remove the irritating oils.  But.. I've been

: told, that Jewelweed, crushed in your hands and rubbed on the areas

: can relieve you of the problem.  Jewelweed often grows right alongside

: poison ivy, so nature has provided a cure right next to the cause for

: you.  They are also known as "Touch-Me-Nots" because if you touch the

: ripe seed pods they explode and scatter seeds around.  Fun to show

: them to kids when in the woods.  (Check your wild-flower books for a

: picture and description.)



: Another cure, though I've not personally known anyone to try it, came

: from an old Eul (sp?) Gibbons book I once had.  He recommended that

: people who live in highly infested areas of poison-ivy and need to

: work around them all summer long should build up an immunity to them

: by:



: (If I remember right).... when the very first signs of poison-ivy

: leaves appear in spring, just out of bud-stage, you should eat 3 of

: the leaves.  Then in (was it the next day? 3 days later?...) you need

: to eat three more leaves which have now grown a bit larger.

: Basically, you eat three leaves each day (I think) as the leaves grow,

: until you are actually eating three grown leaves.  Eat them as the

: plant grows them.  By the time you've eaten a grown leaf, you are

: immune, but ONLY for that year.



: I KNOW I have the dosages and spacing of them wrong, but maybe someone

: out there has an old Eul Gibbons book they can check to rectify this?



: I'd just stick with the Jewelweed until you hear further on this

: Gibbons' method. :)  Any other ideas?



I don't know about the second one, but the first one is in "Stalking the 

Wild Asparagus"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: chenuec@aol.com (ChenueC)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 09:58:57 -0400



I have a constant problem with Poion Oak - my dog plays in it - I play

with the dog, etc. I have found Rhus Tox in 30x a homeopathic remedy to be

the best of everything ( and I have tried mega numbers of things) for

immediate relief. I also sassafrass tea when I can find it but any blood

cleanser herb would do since the toxin is in the blood. Finally and you

will find this only in very old folk remedy books - I bathe in very hot

water which gets very intense at first but stops the itching for a long

time. I follow this bath by putting on aloe vera gel. I do the bathing as

often as I need to.  I have had the rash all over my face and in my eyes

and have had it relieved within 12 hours using this combination.

Wishing you blessed relief, Chenue

Optimum Natural Foods - Napa CA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: bo869@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Carlene Paquette)

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:04:36 GMT



dusty (dusty@indy.net) writes:

> Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

> clearing some land... 

> In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

> wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

> they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

> 

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Diana



I don't really know if this classifies as preventative but I always

remember that my Mom used to bring sunlight soap with us on vacation. 

After a hike we all used the sunlight soap in the shower.  (Be warned -

not knowing your hands are contaminated with poison ivy and then bathing

can lead to some very bad poison ivy cases in very sensitive areas!)  It

was supposed to kill off the poison ivy before real trouble set in.  I

guess it worked since I've never had poison ivy in my life (to my knowledge).



Additionally, one could try making a tincture of Jewelweed by boiling the

stems, etc. and straining the water.  This juice could probably be added

to petroleum jelly or something and tried as a salve.  I don't know how

well it would work though.



Finally, I suggest that your friends remember to wash everything they were

wearing very thoroughly including gloves and shoes as the poison ivy sap

can stay on these items and contaminate the wearer with any contact.



Best of luck!



Carlene



PS - if you do try the salve thing, please let us know if it works!



--

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       'I drank what?'" - from "Real Genius"

Carlene Paquette - Now Employed Geographer at Large - Ottawa, Ontario





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: Marylin.Kraker@bbs.c4systm.com (Marylin Kraker)

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:17:46 GMT



dusty <dusty@indy.net> writes:



> Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

> clearing some land... 

> In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

> wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

> they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

> 

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Diana

> 

> 

As far as I know, the real preventive is to wear gloves, long sleeves, long

pants. When you undress, be careful not to touch any poison ivy oil on the

clothes, and launder immediately in fels naptha.



As help after you've gotten into poison ivy -- there's usually jewelweed

growing nearby. You can crush stems and leaves and rub on yourself, or make

a strong infusion to pour on the itchy spots. I've found that hot jewelweed

"tea" works even better than cold, and when I got some poison ivy on one arm

this summer, took jewelweed infusion to work and nuked it before pouring it

over the arm several times a day. The infusion has to be refrigerated or

frozen to prevent spoiling.



Health,

Marylin

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 10:06:43 GMT



dusty wrote:

>

> Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

> clearing some land... 

> In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

> wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

> they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

 

Wear covering clothing in poison ivy areas. Long pants, long sleeves,

gloves, etc.. Don't touch bare skin with anything that might have 

touched poison ivy (e.g. Don't wipe sweat off your face with your

gloved hand...).  Remove the clothing carefully afterward and wash it

with care. Have a good shower in case you did get some on you. 



I've heard that if you do* get some, scratching doesn't actually 

spread it. It just manifests first in the place most heavily touched

by the ivy's oils.  Nearby places were more lightly touched or are

less sensitive, so show later. Strong scratching, however, cannot be

good for the skin so some herbal onitments or commercial itch prepar-

ations would be adviseable. 

 

Burning poison ivy can spread the volatile oils into the air, generally

misting anything downwind, so be careful of that,too.  As well as

petting house pets that may have romped through any during their 

travels in the woods.



I used to be immune to the stuff.  But had read that immunity can 

vanish unpredictably, so tried to stay wary. Not wary enough, I guess.

Finally got some during a heated game of splattball (not enough time

to look where you're diving sometimes.) and I can assure you that

immunity can vanish suddenly.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: ddawson@wombat.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 21:48:44 GMT



In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.951008183542.1598D-100000@aurora.alaska.edu>,

Amanda Stossel  <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu> wrote:

>grape-nut are what you get when they neuter little boy grapes. ;-)

>

>Yiz





Amanda,



You are definitely a sadist.  Eating too many Alaska mountain

oysters!



D



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: dbrose@aol.com (DBRose)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:23:00 -0400



I am terribly alergic to poison ivy, as is my son.  I find the hot water

treatment works well, but I use it just as hot as I can stand it on a

washcloth as a compress.  



My midwife also recently suggested Sunlight dishwashing soap, applied

straight to the itchy site.  I haven't yet had occasion to try that one. 



And, finally, as a preventive, a soap called TecNu, available in drug

stores, can be applied before going into a potentially infested area to

minimize effects.  It can also be used to wash away the oil from the plant

after the fact.

Donya Rose

Business Planner, Raychem Corporation

send email to drose@raychem.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:04:29 GMT



There is a homeopathic remedy called Rhus Tox (I believe) that can be

taken as a preventative.  Also Euell Gibbons swore that eating a leaf of

poison ivy each week for 6 weeks starting with the frist leaf you see in

spring always worked for him.  I DO NOT recommend this!!!



Another cure for severe cases is pure calcium disolved in DMSO and applied

topically.  Not good for long-term use, but I've gotten some very blessed

relief from it.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:37:30 GMT



In article <madelin-2410951403450001@mac1-conf.pacific.net>,

madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp) wrote:



> There is a homeopathic remedy called Rhus Tox (I believe) that can be

> taken as a preventative.  Also Euell Gibbons swore that eating a leaf of

> poison ivy each week for 6 weeks starting with the frist leaf you see in

> spring always worked for him.  I DO NOT recommend this!!!





That's Rhus Toxicodendron--It's Poison Ivy itself actually. You can also

get Poison Oak, but I forget the latin name. I have had some success (1

time it made a HUGE difference, the other time it only made a little

difference) with Rhus Tox. for treating Poison Oak her in CA. The trick

seems to be taking it as soon as you can, too late and your body is

already doing what it is going to do rashwise . . . 



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 11:44:11 GMT



madelin@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp) wrote:

>There is a homeopathic remedy called Rhus Tox (I believe) that can be

>taken as a preventative.  Also Euell Gibbons swore that eating a leaf of

>poison ivy each week for 6 weeks starting with the frist leaf you see in

>spring always worked for him.  I DO NOT recommend this!!!

<snip>

I don't really want to sound like a broken record here, but... 

Eating poison ivy +

individual who is already allergic to poison ivy

= systemic internal poison ivy= possible death from suffocation.

The cure that kills.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: penny@neca.com (penny newbury)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 23:46:44 GMT



I believe I have the dubious honor of being one of the most

poison-ivy-sensitive people in the universe, and I have never discovered a

cure for this plague, but I have done extensive research.  I even

petitioned the pharmaceutical company to bring back the poison ivy

vaccination.  The side effects can't be any worse than the rash.  But no

luck.  Rhus Toxin (6 pills under the tongue twice a day x 3 days) works

for awhile but you develop an immunity to it (but not to the poison ivy, o

cruel joke).  Jewel Weed (boil the whole plant) is soothing and helps with

spreading.  It also gives you something to do with that pesky jewel weed. 

Tincture of Calendula (after the rash begins) is the most effective

homeopathic remedy I've found. I use it half strength. The Tecnu stuff

(before and after) is great if you follow the directions *exactly.*  But

nothing, I'm afraid, beats a trip to the clinic and a big old shot of

Prednezone in the butt, or a Medrol Dosepak if you're not in respiratory

distress.  I usually end up doing everything all in a row, and living for

another summer.  I defy anyone to tell me why poison ivy (along with

ticks) was ever created.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 12:19:45 GMT



penny@neca.com (penny newbury) wrote:

<snip>  I defy anyone to tell me why poison ivy (along with

>ticks) was ever created.

Little woodland animals eat the berries. Toxin doesn't seem to bother 

them a bit. Winter food. Ticks, now... you've got me there.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:14:00 -0700



In article <jkl-2410951854380001@sfsp35.slip.net>, jkl@slip.net (Julia K.

Larkin) wrote:



> That's Rhus Toxicodendron--It's Poison Ivy itself actually. You can also

> get Poison Oak, but I forget the latin name. I have had some success (1

> time it made a HUGE difference, the other time it only made a little

> difference) with Rhus Tox. for treating Poison Oak her in CA. The trick

> seems to be taking it as soon as you can, too late and your body is

> already doing what it is going to do rashwise . . . 

> 

I'll second that, the one I use also has croton oil and basket flower

grass in it, probably for the itching.  And at 6x, not diluted away to

nothing. Also works for mosquito bites.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Motion Sickness?

From: blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 18:50:19 -0400



After 55 years of motion sickness, I finally understand

why I craved ginger ale when it hit me!  If only I had

known to take it in advance!  I know now - and just in

time for a 13 hour flight to New Zealand!  Thank you all!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: All

Subject: Herbal Tintures?

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:53:48 GMT



Hi,



Can anyone recommend any good book on making herbal

tinctures? Particularly 4:1, 10:1 and so on. 



Or better yet can anyone give me some input on this

subject.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Tintures?

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:54:23 GMT



Hi,



Can anyone recommend any good book on making herbal

tinctures? Particularly 4:1, 10:1 and so on. 



Or better yet can anyone give me some input on this

subject.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Tintures?

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:54:32 GMT



Hi,



Can anyone recommend any good book on making herbal

tinctures? Particularly 4:1, 10:1 and so on. 



Or better yet can anyone give me some input on this

subject.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Tintures?

From: luvbomb@luvbomb.seanet.com

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 07:26:27 GMT



In article <44sev8$1du@news.connectnet.com> "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicch

ain.com> writes:

>From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

>Subject: Herbal Tintures?

>Date: 3 Oct 1995 22:54:32 GMT



>Hi,



>Can anyone recommend any good book on making herbal

>tinctures? Particularly 4:1, 10:1 and so on. 



>Or better yet can anyone give me some input on this

>subject.



I really prefer using herbal tinctures.  They are concentrated, and all you 

usually need is a tsp or so in a small glass of water.  A lot easier than 

trying to shove the stuff in capsules.  Anyway, this may not be as scientific 

as you might like, especially if you want an exact ratio like 10:1, but I have 

been making my own tinctures successfully for several months.  I get a glass 

canning jar, put the herbs that I want in (usually filling it about 1/2 full), 

then I pour in enough 100 proof vodka so that the liquid is slightly higher 

than the herbs.  This needs to be checked the next day, sometimes the herbs 

absorb a lot of liquid.  Seal the jar, and let it sit in a cool, dry place for 

two weeks.  Shake the contents twice a day.  At the end of two weeks make sure 

you have an appropriate container to store the finnished tincture.  Empty the 

contents of the jar small handfuls at  time into some coton cheese cloth and 

wring out the liquid into your container.  I like to use  dark brown glass 

bottles.  In my opinion they seem to store better in the refrigerator.

   This is not a scientific method, and there are no certified potentcies, but 

it always works for me (and at a fraction of the cost of those little 1oz 

bottles at the health food stores).  The average dose seems to be about 3-5ml. 

 5ml is about a tsp.  You need to adjust this slightly depending on your own 

personal needs by adding or subtracting 1-2ml sometimes.  Most books i've read 

give about this size dose three times a day.  It is important to research the 

herbs that you want to use, many books will recommend a tincture dosage.



and that's about all there is to say about that...



Brian



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Knowledge is Power      luvbomb@luvbomb.seanet.com      



Turning this natural inclination to smash machinery

into a political weapon.                                                        

 

                                        -Tchkung                                                                   

    

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anticancer herbs - info needed!

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:02:39 GMT



I have sun very good new on a product I have just

been exposed to it,s called Haelan, its a soy bean concentrate.



Test results from China have been astounding! Anyone who would like

more information on this product, let me know and I will send you a

tape.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anticancer herbs - info needed!

From: rolex1234@aol.com (ROLEX 1234)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 10:28:04 -0400



Essiac tea has been used for 75 years for the treatment of cancer. It

detoxifies the body and boosts the immune system. Then the body fights the

malignancy like a strong immune system will. This tea is also good for any

problem that might be related to a depressed immune system. Most health

food stores sell it under the name of Flora-Essense





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Anticancer herbs - info needed!

From: miranda@mo.net (Miranda)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:22:15 GMT



"Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:



>I have sun very good new on a product I have just

>been exposed to it,s called Haelan, its a soy bean concentrate.



>Test results from China have been astounding! Anyone who would like

>more information on this product, let me know and I will send you a

>tape.



>In Health,





>Robert Green, ND  



For treatment of cancer and side effects of treatment (chemo and

radiation), I have used pau d'arco for it's antitumor properties,

garlic for anticancer properties and general immune system boosting

--anything that boosts the immune system will help the body fight the

disease off naturally, aloe vera juice for oxygenating the cell,

peppermint tea to eliminate nausea during chemo, ginseng to boost

enery and immune system, and although I didn't use it personally, I

would highly recommend Essiac (or at least the herbs used in it -

burdock root, sheep's sorrel, slippery elm, and rhubarb root).  Some

good books on the subject are The Essiac Report by Richard Thomas and

Cancer Therapy by Ralph W. Moss.   Good Luck!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Site!

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:24:51 GMT



Hi to all,



I am starting a home page for my company and would like to 

provide good herbal formulas and alternative health care

information. The site is not done yet but maby this new 

group can take a look at it and give me some feedback.



Thanks



Robert Green, ND

http://www.magicchain.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hello

From: 924@ricnet.pottsville.com

Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 20:34:08 EST



Hello!

        Iam just writing to see what this forum is all about. So, I

would appreciate some info on what you discuss, etc.

                                       Thanks in advance!!

                                             MGM





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Saw Palmetto  for prostate

From: leemc@freenet.fsu.edu (Lee McGehee)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 01:34:52 GMT



Can anyone tell me if saw palmetto is truly effective for prostate enlargement? 

 Any other sources that would help?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for prostate

From: Song.Bird@382-506-1.ima.infomail.com (Song Bird)

Date: 06 Oct 95 23:43:12 



> From: leemc@freenet.fsu.edu (Lee McGehee)

> > > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 01:34:52 GMT

> >  

> Can anyone tell me if saw palmetto is truly effective for prostate

> enlargement?  Any other sources that would help?

 

Yep.  We used saw palmetto in combination with uva ursi and cornsilk to combat

an enlarged prostate in a 50 yr. old man that had been a problem for about 6

years.

 

That and about three prostate massages spaced over 8 months or so brought the

prostate back down to normal.  There had been quite a bit of pain for a long

time over this and doctors didn't seem to be able to do anything.

 

Worked for us.

 

Song Bird

--

|Fidonet:  Song Bird 1:382/506.1

|Internet: Song.Bird@382-506-1.ima.infomail.com

|

| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for prostate

From: herbyours@aol.com (HERB YOURS)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:13:41 -0400



I have heard that it is.... traditionally..... Also pumkin seeds are

effective...traditionally.



From "Planetary Formulas, Michael Tierra"  states that 'during acute

phases heavy rich foods should be avoided, including sweets, alcohol,

fatty meats and dairy foods.  The basic herbal combination for most

prostate problems combines echinacea root and saw palmetto berries.  Tonic

diuretic teas such as gravel  root or parsley root also may be taken"



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Submissions Wanted for World Ethnobotany CD-ROM

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 20:02:32 -0600



Don't you think submissions should give credit to the people who supplied 

this herbal knowledge, i.e. name of nation or tribe?  I think so!



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Submissions Wanted for World Ethnobotany CD-ROM

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 18:50:05 GMT



cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo) wrote:

>

> Don't you think submissions should give credit to the people who supplied 

> this herbal knowledge, i.e. name of nation or tribe?  I think so!

> 

> Claire

> cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu

> 



I think so too.



- Tim 

overmind@hooked.net

http://www.hooked.net/users/overmind/index.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Osha, where's the www site?

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 20:11:43 -0600



Someone posted an address for the www site for osha as:



http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html



There is lots of interesting stuff here, but I can't find a specific page 

on Osha root.  Can anyone be more specific?



Thanks.



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Osha, where's the www site?

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 00:58:49 GMT



>Someone posted an address for the www site for osha as:

>

>http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html

>

>There is lots of interesting stuff here, but I can't find a specific page 

>on Osha root.  Can anyone be more specific?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Claire

>cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu

>

Claire,



I believe the person was referring to the Ligusticum grayi page ... the 

article of the month. Ligusticum grayi is not Osha, but a close relative used 

similarly. Osha is Ligusticum porteri. Both are discussed in the article.



*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

*****************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol vs. Grape Seed Extract?

From: bobthom@wolfe.net (Robert Thompson)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 02:54:55 GMT



Jacki Barineau (jackibar@supernet.net) wrote:

: I've heard different stories about which is better - pycnogenol or grape

: seed extract.  Does anyone know for sure?!



: -- 

: Jacki Barineau, Tallahassee, Florida

: jackibar@supernet.net

: (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Diabetes)



 

The following comes from a letter written by Dr. Jack Masquelier, the 

inventor

of OPC's from pine bark (pycnogenol) and OPC's from grape seed.

 

Dear American users of OPC:

 

This is a reply to the attempts made by Mr. Charles Hainoff to discredit 

the OPC

extracted from grape seeds to the benefit of OPC extracted from pine bark.

 

Being the discoverer of both these substances, I think I am well placed 

to share

some historic facts with you.

 

OPC from pine park is the result of a French patent which was deposited 

in 1951

(No 1036922; date: 9 May 1951; inventor J. Masquelier). The OPC from 

grape seed

are the result of a French patent dating from 1970 (No 2092743) inventors:

J. Masquelier and M.J. Michaud).

 

The exceptional scientific and commercial results have all been obtained with

OPC from grape seeds, manufactured by the SARPAP company, of which Mr. 

Hainoff

wants to make us believe that they are not worth anything.

 

In reality, Mr. Hainoff has been able to promote his OPC from pine bark while

using, without indicating the origin, the results which had been obtained 

with

the grape seed OPC from SARPAP. He should be aware of the fact that in  doing

so, he is cutting the branch on which rests.

 

Moreover I underline, that in 1986 I discovered that the OPC from grape seed

posesses an intence free radical scavenging effect. This FRSE research,

which led to the patenting of my invention (U.S. Patent No. 4,698,360), were

all done with the grape seed OPC manufactured by SARPAP.

 

In conclusion I must tell you, that I consider the allegations made by Mr.

Hainoff as a clumsy attempt to disinform you. His attemps do not bear the

slightest value

 

                                        Martillac,

 

                                        Jack Masquelier

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

For further info on purchasing OPC's made from grape seed, please

reply via e-mail to bobthom@wolfenet.com

 

--

    Bob Thompson --- bobthom@wolfenet.com

---------------------------------------------

                    IBC

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 Find out why world MLM leaders have joined

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS? - 100621.17@compuserv.com(Kevin Jones)

From: annbc@aol.com (AnnBC)

Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:39:14 -0400



Although I haven't eaten them myself, I understand that acorns have some

bitter constituent that needs to be soaked out before they become truly

edible.  

 Just my 2cents.

Ann





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: CAN YOU EAT ACORNS? - 100621.17@compuserv.com(Kevin Jones)

From: rturmel@clark.net (Psyberdude)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:49:56 GMT



In article <44svl2$hi9@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, annbc@aol.com says...

>

>Although I haven't eaten them myself, I understand that acorns have some

>bitter constituent that needs to be soaked out before they become truly

>edible.  

> Just my 2cents.

>Ann



I also heard the same thing but I don't remember from where. I think it's the 

tannic acid in the acorn that has to be boiled out or something but I'm not 

sure.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Suggestions on herbs to increase circulation

From: rylpjs@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (Peter Schuller)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:50:25 GMT



alczap@thorne.com (Al Czap) writes:



>In article <449mjl$p83@news.duke.edu>, blann@econ.duke.edu (Kristen Blann)

>wrote:



>> 

>>         I seem to have really poor circulation in my hands and feet--

>>         they are always cold, and when it gets down about 60-65

>>         in the office my hands get numb from typing.



>Have your thyroid function checked first, by 

>a preventive medical practitioner.

   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A what?



Surely a _preventive_ medical practitioner would have already checked 

it?  And, presumably, had found it was OK. After all, it's a bit late once 

the thyroid function is down to call it preventive isn't it?



;-)



Peter





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Suggestions on herbs to increase circulation

From: ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 23:17:55 -0700



Kristen Blann (blann@econ.duke.edu) wrote:



:       Hi.  I'm hoping someone here can give me some quick pointers

:       via email.  



:       I seem to have really poor circulation in my hands and feet--

:       they are always cold, and when it gets down about 60-65

:       in the office my hands get numb from typing.



If someone could pass on any suggestions to Kristen to me as well, I'd 

appreciate it.  A friend of mine suffers from the same symptoms, though 

not as severe.



With thanks --



                                                -- AjB





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Suggestions on herbs to increase circulation

From: ssilverman@reston.btna.com (Steve Silverman)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 19:59:58 GMT



In article <45fnij$5cj@amy18.Stanford.EDU>, ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew

 John Brewer) says:

>

>Kristen Blann (blann@econ.duke.edu) wrote:

>

>:       Hi.  I'm hoping someone here can give me some quick pointers

>:       via email.  

>

>:       I seem to have really poor circulation in my hands and feet--

>:       they are always cold, and when it gets down about 60-65

>:       in the office my hands get numb from typing.

>

>If someone could pass on any suggestions to Kristen to me as well, I'd 

>appreciate it.  A friend of mine suffers from the same symptoms, though 

>not as severe.

>

>With thanks --

>

>                                                -- AjB

>

>

IV chelation helps this problem.  Not herbs and not that 

cheap but it does work.  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complication of Chemo?!

From: Kavosh Soltani <kavosh@DGS>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:16:46 -0400



I wonder if anyone can clear-up this mistery or knows of research 

presently ongoing in this area:



Patient: 2.5 years old - Metastatic Osteosarcoma

Receiving Chemotherapy for 4.5 months (Adriamycin, Ifosfemide, Cis-Platinum)



First 4 rounds: No unusual/unexpected problems!

Following fourth treatment, he developed a kidney complication 

(temporary) and has a problem with severe loss of minerals (Potassium, 

Magnesium, Phosphorous).  He received them IV at the hospital and orally 

(liquid form) at home.



This could be a coincidence, however, once he started taking the 

supplements orally, he developed "Pnematosis" (Air in wall of the 

intestines).  Doctors seem to have no explanation for the cause of this 

development, but are concerned about the possibility of rupture 

and need for surgery!!!



[Note: one of the young oncologists told me when they saw this first a 

few years ago, they did not know what to make of it!  Has anyone looked 

into the possibility of a new medication causing this?!]



Observation:



He fights oral Potassium, Phosphorous supplements (complains about 

stomach ache while taking them), which are administered before Magnesium 

supplement (4 times a day).



He has now suffered this condition twice (once after each of the last two 

treatments) and each time has been hospitalized for 7 days with no oral 

food/liquid intake. (Which is rather difficult, specially if you have a 

tube sucking all the liquid out of your gut.)



Any suggestions, comments, or ideas?



Thank you for your time.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complication of Chemo?!

From: hattie@netcom.com (Susan Hattie Steinsapir)

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:55:11 GMT



Potassium tastes like toxic waste, that's why he's fighting it.  It would 

be hard to put in enough juice to make it palatable to a child - they 

can't drink that much volume.



Does he continue to need the potassium?  



I have to be watchful of my potassium levels because of the diuretics I'm 

on for my heart disease.  Some diuretics, aldactone, however, do help 

retain the potassium.  Could he be given a bit of this and then closely 

monitored for his levels?



I drink and eat foods fairly high in potassium.  V-8 is a great source (a 

5.5 ounce can has 550 mg of potassium); orange juice has a lot; tomatoes 

and tomato juice products are high in it; yams; strawberries; pumpkin.  

The classic is the banana however, it is not as potassium rich as is the 

tomato.  Too much potassium can be a problem, too.  So, he'll need close 

watching.



The parents may wish to speak with a hospital dietician about this.

-- 

Yours, Susan

_____________________________________________________________________________

Susan Hattie Steinsapir      hattie@netcom.com      Sacramento, California



        Oct. 1st. Lots of New Recipes! http://www.andreas.com/susan.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complication of Chemo?!

From: kavosh@dgsys.com (Kavosh Soltani)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 20:50:06 GMT



Thank you Susan.



He still gets the potassium, but (after 3 months) it looks like the 

Doctors are willing to try giving it to him IV (via his broviac).  The 

first oral formula caused him to vomit (within 1-3 minutes) and the 

second one was painful...  Hope this one works better.



I've heard other reasons for his condition posted in cancer-l mailing 

list.  Viral/Fungal infections and too little/too much potassium seem to be 

high in the list!



I'll keep my eyes open and try to diagnose the problem (He had lots of 

air and diarrhea before and during pnematosis episodes.).



Susan Hattie Steinsapir (hattie@netcom.com) wrote:



: Potassium tastes like toxic waste, that's why he's fighting it.  It would 

: be hard to put in enough juice to make it palatable to a child - they 

: can't drink that much volume.



: Does he continue to need the potassium?  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: kavosh@DGS

Subject: Re: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complication of Chemo?!

From: Susan Seifert <sseifert@fairfield.com>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 02:31:33 GMT



I wrote an article about Mind/Body medicine a few years ago and in the

course of my research found a group of women with cancer who swore they

received good benefits from taking large doses of Maharishi Amrit Kailash.



They believed that taking 3-4 times the usual daily amount of the 

paste formula greatly reduced the effects of chemo and radiation. One

lady in particular believed that she didn't lose her hair and had only

mild side effects of heavy chemo/radiation treatments due to 

taking the supplement.



I realize all this is not scientific and I don't know any good reason

for these results. But perhaps this can help. You can order M.A.K. from

1-800-ALL-VEDA.



good luck. 



Kavosh Soltani <kavosh@DGS> wrote:

>

>I wonder if anyone can clear-up this mistery or knows of research 

>presently ongoing in this area:

>

>Patient: 2.5 years old - Metastatic Osteosarcoma

>Receiving Chemotherapy for 4.5 months (Adriamycin, Ifosfemide, Cis-Platinum)

>

>First 4 rounds: No unusual/unexpected problems!

>Following fourth treatment, he developed a kidney complication 

>(temporary) and has a problem with severe loss of minerals (Potassium, 

>Magnesium, Phosphorous).  He received them IV at the hospital and orally 

>(liquid form) at home.

>

>This could be a coincidence, however, once he started taking the 

>supplements orally, he developed "Pnematosis" (Air in wall of the 

>intestines).  Doctors seem to have no explanation for the cause of this 

>development, but are concerned about the possibility of rupture 

>and need for surgery!!!

>

>[Note: one of the young oncologists told me when they saw this first a 

>few years ago, they did not know what to make of it!  Has anyone looked 

>into the possibility of a new medication causing this?!]

>

>Observation:

>

>He fights oral Potassium, Phosphorous supplements (complains about 

>stomach ache while taking them), which are administered before Magnesium 

>supplement (4 times a day).

>

>He has now suffered this condition twice (once after each of the last two 

>treatments) and each time has been hospitalized for 7 days with no oral 

>food/liquid intake. (Which is rather difficult, specially if you have a 

>tube sucking all the liquid out of your gut.)

>

>Any suggestions, comments, or ideas?

>

>Thank you for your time.

>

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need African Herbal Folklore

From: Erin <aerin@mail.vt.edu>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 15:45:11 GMT



Hello all.  I am doing some research on African Herbal Folklore, and I was 

wondering if anyone here can help me.  Specifially, I am looking for info 

on



1   ginger

2   cloves

3   dandelions

4   marigolds

5   roses



6   any sort of hard copy reference!  Know any good books on African Herbal 

and Floral Folklore??  If so, please let me know, or let me know of any 

websites that might have this sort of info. 



Thank you all so much,

Erin





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need African Herbal Folklore

From: ebok@eworld.com (Ebok)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 02:12:35 -0700



CONTACT DR. ANTHONY KWEKU ANDOH, NORTH SCALE INSTITUTE, San Francisco, CA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Magnets may help!

From: blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:11:40 -0400



As a free-lance writer, I was skeptical when I accepted a

contract to write a book  compiling testimonials of people

who had been helped by using magnetic devices for health

problems.  They used them for their pets and horses, too.



As I went through the large box of testimonials, I began to

lose my skepticism.  Finally, I tried wearing two of the small

negative pole magnets on my eyes at night, hoping to reach

a point where I could toss my hated glasses.  My prescription

glasses were 10 years old and had long since been replaced

several times with increasingly strong drug store reading

glasses.  :<(



Within 2 weeks, I was back to the prescription glasses!  I'm

not ready to guarantee such a treatment or make claims for

any other problems.  I can only say I'm glad to be seeing

much, much better!  If it's simply a placebo effect, as some

say, I sure do love that placebo!  :>)



Oh, and the book of 349 testimonials is published now.  I don't

sell it or the magnets, but if you want to ask questions, I'll try to

answer them.



If I'm allowed to tell here, I'll even tell you where to get the book. 

:>)



Elizabeth Hamilton





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magnets may help!

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 01:50:07 GMT



In article <44ubns$s2u@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact) wrote:



>As a free-lance writer, I was skeptical when I accepted a

>contract to write a book  compiling testimonials of people

>who had been helped by using magnetic devices for health

>problems.  They used them for their pets and horses, too.



>As I went through the large box of testimonials, I began to

>lose my skepticism.  Finally, I tried wearing two of the small

>negative pole magnets on my eyes at night, 



Elizabeth - 

  I hate to break the news to you, but monopolar magnets do

not exist.  Any negative pole has a positive pole at the other end

without fail.

  If you were wearing these devices where they could put pressure on your

eyes, it is possible to alter the curvature of the cornea over

time ... in the same way that contact lenses corrected my

astigmatism by molding the warp out of the cornea.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Magnets may help!

From: blimpact@aol.com (BLImpact)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 11:48:27 -0400



I realize the magnets are not monopolar.

The term I used is one used by those dealing

in magnetic therapy.  it indicates that the

magnet is fashioned so that the negative

pole can be placed against the skin, the

positive pole protected with a seal.



There are a number of reasons magnets can

have therapeutic effect.  I have been studying

the work done by scientists in Yugoslavia,

Germany and Japan.  It is not my purpose to

go into that here, however, since I do not want

to be involved in anything that would seem to

be a medical claim.



My post is simply intended to be my testimonial,

and it is joined to many others worldwide.  It

seems our FDA is pleased to keep the USA in

the dark about these.



Elizabeth





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cold sores

From: marr5675@mars.rowan.edu (JESSICA MARRON)

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:24:07



any herbs out there that help get rid of cold sores?



the 'herb newbie', 

jess





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cold sores

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 08:40:33 -0800



On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, JESSICA MARRON wrote:



> any herbs out there that help get rid of cold sores?

> 

> the 'herb newbie', 

> jess

> 

> 

Hi there!  My daughter gets horrible cold sores, and I've had great 

success with making a poultice of raspberry leaves and putting it on the 

sore, along with drinking a cup of the tea (strong) 3-4 times a day.  

Also in one book I've read, full-spectrum light therapy is supposed to 

work well, but I've never tried it.

If you try, let me know how well it works.



                Cheers!  Mandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HERBS AND INFERTILITY..need some advice

From: indigo121@aol.com (Indigo121)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 12:32:21 -0400



I would consider having a consultation with a Chinese herbalist

/acupuncturist.  Infertility has been treated quite effectively with herbs

and acupuncture.  There are many different causes in Chinese Medicine so I

would strongly urge you to seek professional advice.  Good Luck!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: UK Complimentary and Alternative Therapies  Societies and Associations

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 17:46:36 GMT



Message-ID: <63944990wnr@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

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  New pages @

  

  http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/society.html

  

  UK Complimentary and Alternative Therapies Societies and Associations

  

  Comments Additions Corrections gratefully received

  

  Graham

  graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk

  

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk

Subject: Re: UK Complimentary and Alternative Therapies  Societies and Associations

From: Rob White <rob.white.1943059@nt.com>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 12:59:22 GMT



The first correction would be to spell complementary correctly!

(Unless of course you are not charging for your services!)

Rob





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: UK Complimentary and Alternative Therapies  Societies and Associations

From: hpnowrks4u@aol.com (Hpnowrks4u)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 18:08:52 -0400



Run! Run! The Grammer police is here!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: UK Complimentary and Alternative Therapies  Societies and Associations

From: bld103@york.ac.uk (Bruce L. Durling)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 09:54:02 GMT



Graham Sorenson (Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk) wrote:

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:   Comments Additions Corrections gratefully received

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:   Graham

:   graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk

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: -- 

: Moved again! Hopefully permanent this time    

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: http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Wild Lettuce

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 19:22:54 GMT



jsnead@netcom.com (John R. Snead) wrote:

>

> It's a great painkiller and sedative.  If I remember correctly, it's a mild

> opiate.

> 

> -Heron jsnead@netcom.com



To extract the active ingredient, liquify the wild lettuce heart in

a blender, then pour the liquid in a shallow cooking sheet and put it

in the oven on low heat until it solidifies into a sludge. This can

then be added to any smokable substance (tobacco, coltsfoot, etc.).

It's fairly mild but is addictive just like any other opiate.



- Tim overmind@hooked.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: medical herbs supplier wanted

From: geralds@iafrica.com (A White Chemist)

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:09:20



I am seeking suppliers in U.S.A., EUROPE or elswhere of dried medical herbs.



Gerald Schaffer





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: medical herbs supplier wanted

From: AMIT KARIA <102352.3330@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:44:22 GMT



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PALASIA, INDORE - 452 001 (MP-INDIA).  WE ARE MANUFACTURERS OF 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Asthma

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 4 Oct 1995 20:13:29 GMT



haileris@crl.com (Cynthia Sheldon) wrote:

>

> My mother has asthma, and it has been getting particularly bad recently. 

> Bad to the point where she gets out of breath just walking across the 

> house. I was wondering what herbal or other homeopathic remedies for this 

> there are. She wouldn't try anything particularly odd <anything that I 

> can't buy in a grocery store is probably out> because of her belief in 

> the American medical chemical system, but I'd like to be able to help her 

> out at least a little. Is there anything I can try to get her to do that 

> would help, but wouldn't turn on her "this is all bs" sensors?

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Autumn Adela

> haileris@crl.com

> Hail Eris. All hail Discordia.



HERBS FOR ASTHMA 

Copyright 1995 by Tim Johnson 

 

ADHATODA VASICA - It is believed in the East to be the best possible 

treatment for all chest diseases. Also used in herbal tobacco to relieve 

asthma. - action: antispasmodic, expectorant - common name: malabar-nut - 

range: india - used to treat: asthma, chest diseases 

 

AILANTHUS ALTISSIMA - The powdered bark has been used to treat 

stomach ailments. The root bark has been used to treat asthma, heart 

ailments, and epilepsy. - common name: chinese sumach, tree of heaven - 

range: china - used to treat: asthma, dysentery, epilepsy, heart ailments, 

leucorrhea, stomach ailments 

 

ALLIUM SATIVUM - The best known source of selenium. It also has 

antioxidant activity.  The fresh bulbs are cooked and eaten to treat asthma, 

colds, coughs, and to control worms. A fresh poultice of the mashed plant 

has been used to treat hornet stings, snake bite, and scorpion stings. The 

bulb, roasted with olive oil, has been used to treat kidney and bladder 

ailments. The bulb is pressed against the gum to treat toothache. Inhibits 

production of harmful bacteria in the colon. Use garlic oil for earaches. - 

action: alterative, antibiotic, antiseptic, antispasmodic, blood cleanser, 

cholagogue, diaphoretic, expectorant, rubefacient, stimulant, vermifuge, 

vulnerary - common name: garlic - contains: allicin, B vitamins, hormones, 

phosphorus, potassium, protein, selenium, vitamin C - used to treat: 

arteriosclerosis, asthma, athlete's foot, bladder ailments, boils, canker sores,

 

cold, common cold, cough, earache, hornet stings, infection, inflammation, 

influenza, kidney ailments, scorpion stings, snake bite, toothache, viral 

infections, worms 

 

ALTHAEA OFFICINALIS - Althea soothes irritated tissue. It is used 

externally as a poultice for irritations, burns, carbuncles and furuncles, and 

wounds. A cold extract of whole plant is good for coughs, bronchitis, and 

lung catarrh. Use internally and/or externally to treat hemorrhoids. - action: 

demulcent, digestive, diuretic, emollient - common name: althea, 

marshmallow, mortification root, sweet weed, wymote - native habitat: 

damp meadows, wet places - used to treat: asthma, bronchitis, burns, 

carbuncles, catarrh, cough, furuncles, hemorrhoids, irritation, ulcers, 

urinary ailments, whooping cough, wounds 

 

ARUM MACULATUM - It is mixed with honey or syrup for internal use 

and as an ointment for external use. For sore throat, gargle the decoction by 

itself. An ointment made with arum is used for sores and ringworm. For 

swelling simmer arum with cumin in wine or oil to make a plaster. The 

rootstock is poison when fresh but edible when dried or sufficiently cooked. 

Its flowers trap insects which the plant digests for food. - action: 

diaphoretic, expectorant, poison, stomachic - common name: arum, 

cockoopint, cocky baby, cypress powder, dragon root, gaglee, ladysmock, 

lords and ladies, portland arrowroot, starchwort, wake-robin - contains: 

poison - native habitat: deciduous forests, near hedges and bushes, shady 

places - used to treat: asthma, bronchitis, chronic catarrh, flatulence, 

rheumatism, ringworm, sore throat, sores, swelling 

 

CARICA PAPAYA - The milky juice of the fruit contains an enzyme called 

papain,which is one of the best digestives known. It is much used in invalid 

foods. It is also used to tenderize steak. The leaf is used after a heavy meal 

and will also break down proteins for digestion. - action: digestive - 

common name: melon tree, papaya, pawpaw - contains: papain, potassium, 

protein, vitamin A, vitamin C - indigenous use: tongan - range: tropical 

america - used to treat: asthma, diarrhea, duodenal ulcers, gas, indigestion, 

peptic ulcers 

 

CHRYSANTHEMUM LEUCANTHEMUM - The antispasmodic properties 

of this plant have been recognized throughout history. - action: 

antispasmodic, diaphoretic, diuretic, irritant, promotes perspiration, tonic - 

common name: golden daisy, herb margaret, maudlinwort, ox-eye-daisy, 

white daisy, white weed - range: europe, northern asia - used to treat: 

asthma, cough, PMS, pulmonary diseases, urinary ailments, warts, 

whooping cough 

 

DATURA INOXIA - The stems and leaves are smoked to relieve asthma or 

produce a mild intoxication. The leaves and seeds added to hemp in India 

and for extra effects. Excessive amounts are toxic. May cause blacking out 

and severe headaches. Yaqui Indian brujos claims that smoking or ingestion 

of the flowers will cause insanity. - action: hallucinogen, hypnotic, 

intoxicant - common name: jimson weed, thornapple - contains: atropine, 

hyoscyamine, scopolamine, tropanes - native habitat: garbage dumps, open 

places - range: mexico, peruvian andes, southwest u.s. - used to treat: 

asthma, headache 

 

DATURA SP. - action: anticholinergic, poison, psychedelic, sedative, 

topical - contains: atropine, hyoscyamine, poison, scopolamine - family: 

solanaceae - range: andes, texas - used to treat: asthma, cold 

 

DATURA STRAMONIUM - It is of great value in the treatment of asthma, 

heavy chest colds and lung congestion. It is also used as an ointment to 

relieve external inflammation. It is very dangerous and should be used with 

great caution. - action: anodyne, anticholinergic, hallucinogen, narcotic, 

poison, psychedelic - common name: jimson weed, stramonium, thornapple 

- contains: atropine, mescaline, poison, scopolamine - range: europe, south 

america - used to treat: asthma, congestion, heavy chest colds, lung 

congestion, neuralgia 

 

DOREMA AMMONIACUM - Highly regarded as an energy stimulant. - 

action: stimulant - common name: ammoniacum, gum ammoniacum - 

range: iraq, turkey - used to treat: asthma, bronchitis, catarrh, respiratory 

troubles 

 

DROSERA ROTUNDIFOLIA - It is a small plant which traps flies and 

small insects and digests them. It is used to treat troublesome, long-

continuing chest ailments. It should only be taken in small quantities. - 

action: antibiotic, antispasmodic, demulcent, expectorant - common name: 

dew plant, lustwort, round-leaved sundew, sundew, youthwort - native 

habitat: marshy places - range: europe - used to treat: asthma, bronchitis, 

chest ailments, cough, nausea, pneumocoocus, respiratory ailments, 

staphylococcus, streptococcus, upset stomach, whooping cough 

 

EPHEDRA NEVADENSIS - No serious side effects known. May depress 

appetite if used to excess. Contains little or no ephedrine. - action: appetite 

suppressant, stimulant - common name: ephedra, mormon tea - range: 

american southwest - used to treat: asthma, congestion 

 

ERIODICTYON CALIFORNICUM - action: antispasmodic, expectorant, 

febrifuge, tonic - common name: bearsweed, consumptive's weed, holy 

herb, mountain balm, tarweed, yerba santa - used to treat: asthma, 

bronchitis, bruises, chronic laryngitis, common cold, insect bites, lung 

ailments, rheumatism, sprains, tuberculosis 

 

EUCALYPTUS GLOBULUS - May be inhaled to treat asthma, coughs and 

stuffy nose. May be rubbed into the skin with oil as an insect and flea 

repellent. - action: flea repellent, insect repellent - common name: 

eucalyptus, fevertree, tasmanian blue gum - range: australia - used to treat: 

asthma, bladder ailments, bronchitis, common cold, cough, fever, gastritis, 

influenza, kidney ailments, malaria, skin ailments, stuffy nose, thyphoid 

fever, tuberculosis - common name: eurabbie - range: australia 

 

FICUS RELIGIOSA - It is sacred to Hindus and Buddhists, representing 

knowledge and enlightenment. - common name: pipal tree, sacred bo tree, 

sacred fig - family: moraceae - used to treat: asthma, inflamed feet, laxative, 

skin diseases, toothache 

 

GANODERMA LUCIDUM - The "mushroom of deathlessness" has a long 

association with increased spiritual energy and longevity. It aids circulation 

and lowers blood pressure, while reducing heart strain. It boosts the 

immune system and reduces free radicals. - common name: ling zhi, reishi - 

used to treat: AIDS, allergies, arthritis, asthma, bronchitis, cancer, insomnia 

 

GRINDELIA CAMPORUM - action: diuretic, specific - common name: 

grindelia - used to treat: asthma, bronchial ailments, cough, whooping 

cough 

 

GRINDELIA SQUARROSA - action: antispasmodic, diuretic, expectorant - 

common name: gum plant, gumweed, sticky heads, tarweed - used to treat: 

allergic dermatitis, asthma, eczema, impetigo, poison ivy, poison oak 

 

LARIX AMERICANA - action: alterative, diuretic, laxative - common 

name: american larch, black larch, hackmetack, salisb, tamarack - used to 

treat: asthma, bronchitis, diarrhea, earache, melancholy, poisonous insect 

bites, rheumatism 

 

LOBELIA INFLATA - When smoked, it produces mild marijuana-like 

euphoria and improves mental clarity. The tea acts simultaneously as a 

stimulant and a relaxant. Lesser amounts tend to act as a stimulant; larger 

amounts as a relaxant. Also, it may cause tingling body sensations and an 

altered mental state. It has an acrid taste and causes unpleasant, prickly 

feelings in mouth and throat. It may cause nausea, vomiting, and circulatory 

disturbances. Smoking may cause brief headache in persons subjects to 

migraine. - action: diaphoretic, euphoriant, expectorant, relaxant, stimulant 

- common name: indian tobacco, lobelia - range: north america - used to 

treat: asthma, chicken pox, cough, gout, hemorrhoids, migraine, nausea, 

vomiting, whooping cough 

 

MAGNOLIA OFFICINALIS - action: antiseptic, aromatic, muscle relaxant, 

stimulant, tonic - common name: chuan how-pow, magnolia - family: 

magnoliaceae - range: china - used to treat: asthma, cough, diarrhea, 

malaria, peptic ulcers, stomach spasms, typhoid, vomiting 

 

MELISSA OFFICINALIS - Used during pregnancy for headaches and 

dizziness. The warm infusion of the leaves has diaphoretic effects, and 

when added to bath water is also said to promote the onset of menstruation. 

Use the crushed leaves as a poultice for sores tumors, milk-knots, and insect 

bites. Balm is also used in herb pillows because of its agreeable odor. When 

bruised, the whole plant smells like lemon. It is used to induce copious 

perspiration. - action: antispasmodic, carminative, diaphoretic, digestive, 

emmenagogue, specific, stomachic - common name: balm mint, bee balm, 

blue balm, cure-all, dropsy plant, garden balm, lemon balm, melissa, sweet 

balm - native habitat: along roadsides, fields, gardens - range: 

mediterranean - used to treat: antispasmodic, asthma, chronic bronchial 

catarrh, colic, cramps, dizziness, dropsy, dyspepsia, flatulence, headache, 

hysteria, indigestion, insect bites, insomnia, melancholy, migraine, milk 

knots, nervous problems, neurasthenia, sores, women's ailments 

 

MIMUSOPS ELENGI - action: stimulant - common name: spanish cherry, 

tanjong tree - family: sapotaceae - used to treat: angina, asthma, chronic 

dysentery, eczema, fever, scabies, snake bite, tonsillitis, vertigo 

 

OPUNTIA TUNA - The young stems are boiled in water and applied as a 

poultice to treat rheumatism. The fruit has been used to treat asthma, 

diarrhea, and gonorrhea. - common name: cactus pear, ndian fig, prickly 

pear, slipper thorn, tuna - contains: potassium, vitamin C - used to treat: 

asthma, diarrhea, gonorrhea, rheumatism 

 

PILOCARPUS MICROPHYLLUS - It is often used to help sufferers from 

diabetes. It is also believed to be one of the most effective agents for 

restoring hair losses. To stimulate hair growth, rub into the scalp before 

retiring. - action: diaphoretic, expectorant, hair tonic - common name: 

jaborandi - range: brazil - used to treat: asthma, baldness, diabetes 

 

POLYGALA SENEGA - Asthma sufferers report very quick relief from its 

use. - action: expectorant - common name: senega - range: u.s. - used to 

treat: asthma, bronchitis, bronchorrhea, pneumonia 

 

SACCHARUM OFFICINARUM - The juice soothes the symptoms of 

asthma and is a good expectorant. - action: expectorant, stimulant - 

common name: sugar cane, to - contains: sucrose - indigenous use: tongan - 

range: east asia - used to treat: asthma, burns 

 

STACHYS OFFICINALIS - The infusion is used for neurasthenia, bladder 

and kidney ailments, spitting blood, and excessive sweating; regular use is 

recommended for varicose veins. A strong decoction is used against worms. 

The juice of the plant can be used to heal cuts, external ulcers, and old 

sores. - action: anthelmintic, astringent, carminative, diuretic, expectorant, 

vulnerary - common name: betony, lousewort, purple betony, wood betony 

- native habitat: along forest paths, damp or dry meadows, gardens, sunny 

slopes - used to treat: asthma, bladder ailments, bronchitis, cuts, excessive 

sweating, external ulcers, heartburn, kidney ailments, neurasthenia, sores, 

spitting blood, sprains, varicose veins, worms 

 

STICTA PULMONARIA - It was often recommended by Roman Legion 

doctors. - action: astringent - common name: lung moss, lungwort - used to 

treat: asthma, congestion of the lungs, cough 

 

TUSSILAGO FARFARA - Used in cough mixtures and is regarded as one 

of the most effective known herbs for this purpose. Coltsfoot is also used in 

herbal tobaccos to relieve chest ailments. - action: demulcent, expectorant - 

common name: coltsfoot, coughwort - native habitat: near water - used to 

treat: asthma, bronchial irritation, bronchitis, chest ailments, cough, 

diarrhea, laryngitis 

 

URGINEA MARITIMA - It is used in hundreds of ethical and proprietary 

medicines. - action: cathartic, diuretic, expectorant - common name: squill - 

range: north africa, southern europe - used to treat: asthma, bronchial 

ailments, catarrh



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Cockroach Cont

From: smills1138@aol.com (SMills1138)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 17:26:56 -0400



The only strictly herbal reference I have seen is in a book called The

Eyewitness Handbook of Herbs. They note that the green parts of tomato

plants, which are toxic, are used in Mexico to repel cockroaches (strewn

about, I believe...)



--sam





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: UK source of Melatonin?

From: nellus@ccnet.demon.co.uk (nellus)

Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 23:42:07 +0000



Anyone know?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: studentnet23@trident.tec.sc.us

Date: 4 Oct 95 20:26:31 EST



    I am interested in finding out the Good and the Bad things about

the herb Ma Huang. It is also called Ephedra. If anyone has any info

I would appreciate hearing it. 



Carla Foster.I would appreciate it. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 01:50:14 GMT



In article <1995Oct4.202631@trident.tec.sc.us>,

   studentnet23@trident.tec.sc.us wrote:



>    I am interested in finding out the Good and the Bad things about

>the herb Ma Huang. It is also called Ephedra. If anyone has any info

>I would appreciate hearing it. 

>

>Carla Foster.I would appreciate it. 



It is an herbal stimulant - altjhough it can help with nasal

congestion and cold symptoms it can also leave you with a

serious case of the jitters.  Taken in large amounts, or

with caffeine (guarana' is often combined with ephedra to

increase the effect) it can kill you or send you into a brief

psychotic state.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: rturmel@clark.net (Psyberdude)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:47:59 GMT



In article <1995Oct4.202631@trident.tec.sc.us>, studentnet23@trident.tec.sc.us 

says...

>

>

>    I am interested in finding out the Good and the Bad things about

>the herb Ma Huang. It is also called Ephedra. If anyone has any info

>I would appreciate hearing it. 

>

>Carla Foster.I would appreciate it. 

>

>

It's excellent stuff Carla.  I use it all the time.  It stimulates

the hell out of you without the negative side effects of speed type

drugs.  You can get it in pill form from truck stops. It's called

MAX ALERT. There are also other names that it goes by. 

They are packaged as 25 milligram tablets. The active 

ingredient is Ephedrine Hydrochloride.  Take two tabs and you'll do 

fine. Three tabs are a great high. I don't do more than 3 tabs

which is equal to 75 milligrams. If you don't live near a truck 

stop get HIGH TIMES magazine and order from the millions of ads

for Ephedrine.  They are called by many names.  I don't know of 

any negative side effects. The stuff that you can buy in health

food stores will say that their tablets are 25 milligrams but

they are talking about the whole plant and not the pure ephedrine

hydrochloride form, so it's not as good if.you buy from a health

food store unless it says on the label that it's all ephedrine

hydrochloride.  Don't pass this up. You'll love it. Have fun.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 06 Oct 1995 05:59:11 GMT



In message ID <450nmf$6a6@clarknet.clark.net> on 10/5/95, Psyberdude wrote:



: >    I am interested in finding out the Good and the Bad things about

: >the herb Ma Huang. It is also called Ephedra. If anyone has any info

: >I would appreciate hearing it. 

: >

: >Carla Foster.I would appreciate it. 

: >

: >

: It's excellent stuff Carla.  I use it all the time.  It stimulates

: the hell out of you without the negative side effects of speed type

: drugs.



Bingo! You get to join the ranks of the terminally foolish (you're half-way

there already, if you catch my drift).



Ma huang (Ephedra sinica) is almost EXACTLY like speed when used as you say.

It has tons of side-effects used that way--it can even kill you.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: brossman@teleport.com

Date: 11 Oct 1995 01:31:38 GMT



>   p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) writes:

>  : It's excellent stuff Carla.  I use it all the time.  It stimulates

>  : the hell out of you without the negative side effects of speed type

>  : drugs.

>  

>  Bingo! You get to join the ranks of the terminally foolish (you're half-way

>  there already, if you catch my drift).



        Your pontificating is what I find extremely foolish.   

>  

>  Ma huang (Ephedra sinica) is almost EXACTLY like speed when used as you say.

>  It has tons of side-effects used that way--it can even kill you.



Stop pushing your agenda Paul.  You're only SLIGHTLY prejudiced on this subject.



I assume by the term "speed" we are referring to amphetamines (maybe ritalin as 

well).



They are just a FEW differences between amphetamines and ephedrine, don't fool y

ourself here.

Namely, amphetamines are:



1) More powerful 

2)Quite addictive.

3) Long-term abuse causes psychosis.



        Ephedrine is perfectly safe to use as a stimulant granted you don't have any he

art-related

problems in which case you shouldn't be using any stimulants. However, there a f

ew things to keep 

in mind when using ephedrine.  Unlike caffeine which is intolerably weak (IMHO) 

ephedrine is quite 

strong.   You can cause yourself all sorts of problems if you indulge in reckles

s use of this 

drug.  



1) Do not use daily in anything over thereapeutic dosage (roughly 24 mg).

And then don't continue this use for more than 3 days. (These are standard

OTC guidelines for ephedrine)



2) Do not take large doses. There is potential for heart-attacks and all kinds o

f heart-related damage to 

occur.  I'd say for anyone under 80 kg they shouldn't be using more than 75 to 

100 mg.  I personally think that 50 mg has plenty of kick.



3) If you use ephedrine often you will build up a tolerance.  Do not increase 

the dosage, decrease your use.  You are using it too often if you have to increa

se 

the dosage to maintain the same effects.  



Essentially ephedrine is not this killer drug that is out to get people.  Why ou

r society

feels it needs to demonize all drugs that aren't socially accepted (ie. caffeine

 worshipping)

makes no sense whatsover to me.



The reason why there is a potential danger with ephedrine that isn't necessarily

 there

for caffeine is that it's like comparing a pop-gun to a BB gun.  The BB gun is a

 lot

more powerful and has potential to be harmful.   That doesn't mean you cannot us

e

it safely, it just means you need to be more careful and follow some simple guid

elines.



-Ryan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 10:05:23 -0700



studentnet23@trident.tec.sc.us wrote:



:     I am interested in finding out the Good and the Bad things about

: the herb Ma Huang. It is also called Ephedra. If anyone has any info

: I would appreciate hearing it. 



: Carla Foster.I would appreciate it. 



I adore Ma Huang as a decongestant.  Just a few cups of it during a bad

cold (at 1.5mg ephedrine per cup) is plenty to help keep my sinuses clear.

My husband has trouble with the high dosages of ephedrine in over-the-counter

decongestants, and so I keep Ma Huang tea on hand for both of us when we 

have the sniffles.  



I even did the math.  Eight cups of Ma Huang tea (a full day's dosage) 

contains roughly 12mg of ephedrine.  Two pills of a major OTC decongestant

(again, a full day's dosage) contains 240mg... 20 times the amount.  



Convinced me there was something _very_ wrong with the pharmaceutical

companies...



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 12:23:57 GMT



jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel) wrote:

<snip>

>I even did the math.  Eight cups of Ma Huang tea (a full day's dosage) 

>contains roughly 12mg of ephedrine.  Two pills of a major OTC decongestant

>(again, a full day's dosage) contains 240mg... 20 times the amount.  

<snip>

>-jen

>

 Isn't the OTC stuff pseudephedrine, not ephedrine? Maybe this accounts 

for the difference in efficacy and side effects. I also get intolerable 

side effects from the OTCs.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lizjones+@pitt.edu

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: "F. Stuart Ross" <fsross@mailbox.syr.edu>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:25:56 GMT



Regarding Ephedra:  the alkaloid ephedrine comes from the herb ephedra.

ephedrine was synthesized in 1927 and rapidly accepted by western 

physicians as a new pharmacologic agent.  Both ephedrine and 

pseudo-ephedrine(Sudafed) are still widely used for their anti-asthmatic 

and anti-allergic properties. These can be naturally derived or produced 

synthetically.  This is from Herbs That Heal by Michael Weiner and Janet 

Weiner.  I was taking Ephedra capsules made by Solaray which were 380 mg. 

each to prevent bronchitis.  It worked wonderfully, but I have read and 

been told that it cannot be taken over a period of time.  

I took it all winter long.  I could feel heart palpitations and was 

really energized.  In Chicago, there was a teenager who was taking great 

doses to get high and ended up dying.  So I am looking for more 

information on it or other herbs that will prevent bronchitis. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lizjones+@pitt.edu

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: "F. Stuart Ross" <fsross@mailbox.syr.edu>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:26:07 GMT



Regarding Ephedra:  the alkaloid ephedrine comes from the herb ephedra.

ephedrine was synthesized in 1927 and rapidly accepted by western 

physicians as a new pharmacologic agent.  Both ephedrine and 

pseudo-ephedrine(Sudafed) are still widely used for their anti-asthmatic 

and anti-allergic properties. These can be naturally derived or produced 

synthetically.  This is from Herbs That Heal by Michael Weiner and Janet 

Weiner.  I was taking Ephedra capsules made by Solaray which were 380 mg. 

each to prevent bronchitis.  It worked wonderfully, but I have read and 

been told that it cannot be taken over a period of time.  

I took it all winter long.  I could feel heart palpitations and was 

really energized.  In Chicago, there was a teenager who was taking great 

doses to get high and ended up dying.  So I am looking for more 

information on it or other herbs that will prevent bronchitis. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 07 Oct 1995 21:57:36 GMT



In message ID <456c0j$ei0@crl12.crl.com> on 10/7/95, Jennifer B. Jakiel wrote:



: I adore Ma Huang as a decongestant.  Just a few cups of it during a bad

: cold (at 1.5mg ephedrine per cup) is plenty to help keep my sinuses clear.

: My husband has trouble with the high dosages of ephedrine in

: over-the-counter decongestants, and so I keep Ma Huang tea on hand

: for both of us when we  have the sniffles.  

: 

: I even did the math.  Eight cups of Ma Huang tea (a full day's dosage) 

: contains roughly 12mg of ephedrine.  Two pills of a major OTC decongestant

: (again, a full day's dosage) contains 240mg... 20 times the amount.  



You may have to factor in that the synthetic preparations don't contain the

same ephedrine as the plants (may be less bioactive?). Where did you get the

information that a cup of ephedra tea has 1.5 mg of ephedrine? Sounds very

suspiciously low.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 07 Oct 1995 22:24:09 GMT



On 10/7/95 at 2:57 PM, Paul Iannone wrote:



: You may have to factor in that the synthetic preparations don't

: contain the same ephedrine as the plants (may be less bioactive?).

: Where did you get the information that a cup of ephedra tea has 1.5

: mg of ephedrine? Sounds very suspiciously low.



My references give .3-2% (by weight). The usual dose of ephedra in a

decoction is 2-6 grams per cup (per Tierra, --Planetary Herbology--, it isn't

used singly in East-Asian Traditional Healing), giving (by my math, help!) a

range of from 6 mg (a very mild cup, with inferior grade -Ephedra sinica-) to

a potentially whopping <<<<120 mg!>>>> 



...which is exactly what is in the pharmaceutical, according to your

numbers--and if you take --eight-- cups of a strong brew you would be getting

potentially 3/4 of a gram of ephedrine (and related isomers)! Enough to Dry

your sinuses and turn your face inside-out, I'm sure.



Personally, I would recommend peppermint tea as a better 'dessicant' for most

American colds.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 22:42:32 -0700



Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:

: On 10/7/95 at 2:57 PM, Paul Iannone wrote:



: : You may have to factor in that the synthetic preparations don't

: : contain the same ephedrine as the plants (may be less bioactive?).

: : Where did you get the information that a cup of ephedra tea has 1.5

: : mg of ephedrine? Sounds very suspiciously low.



The box of tea lists the active ingredient as simply "ephedrines 1.5mg."  The

OTC says "pseudoephedrine sulfate 120mg." 



(BTW, I'm using Traditional Medicines Breathe Easy, if anyone's interested.) 



: My references give .3-2% (by weight). The usual dose of ephedra in a

: decoction is 2-6 grams per cup (per Tierra, --Planetary Herbology--, it isn't

: used singly in East-Asian Traditional Healing), giving (by my math, help!) a

: range of from 6 mg (a very mild cup, with inferior grade -Ephedra sinica-) 



Must be what I'm using... *grins* 



to

: a potentially whopping <<<<120 mg!>>>> 



: Personally, I would recommend peppermint tea as a better 'dessicant' for most

: American colds.



My preference as well.  As I stated, I only used three cups of the ma huang.

Probably used as much or more than that of the peppermint.



: --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 09 Oct 1995 15:32:12 GMT



In message ID <45b48t$jt@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> on 10/9/95, Liz Jones wrote:



: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel) wrote:

: <snip>

: >I even did the math.  Eight cups of Ma Huang tea (a full day's dosage) 

: >contains roughly 12mg of ephedrine.  Two pills of a major OTC decongestant

: >(again, a full day's dosage) contains 240mg... 20 times the amount.  

: <snip>

: >-jen

: >

:  Isn't the OTC stuff pseudephedrine, not ephedrine? Maybe this accounts 

: for the difference in efficacy and side effects. I also get intolerable 

: side effects from the OTCs.

: Liz



Both the plant and the synthetic contain BOTH pseudoephedrine and ephedrine.

The charges are different between natural and synthetic forms, but that is

(as far as I know, and I am no organic chemist) unlikely to produce such a

significant difference in effect. 



If you get side-effects, they are probably due to dose, and, I suspect, due

to the fact that these products are for COLD-type colds, not for HOT-type

that most people in warm seasons or warm climes get. Though these products

(natural or synthetic) can abate symptoms, taken in small amounts, even for

the wrong type of cold, they do so NOT without some damage to your Lungs (an

East-Asian Traditional Healing physiological concept that includes your

sinuses, and other related systems).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:32:50 GMT



In message ID <45f6pq$lg2@maureen.teleport.com> on 10/10/95,

brossman@teleport.com wrote:



: 

:  Ephedrine is perfectly safe to use as a stimulant granted you don't

: have any heart-related problems in which case you shouldn't be using

: any stimulants. However, there a few things to keep  in mind when

: using ephedrine.  Unlike caffeine which is intolerably weak (IMHO)

: ephedrine is quite  strong.   You can cause yourself all sorts of

: problems if you indulge in reckless use of this  drug.  



Enjoy contradicting yourself, do you?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: abelm@wam.umd.edu (Abel Merrick)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 22:47:11 GMT



Someday I hope to find at least one newsgroup where people are not

viciously/childishly arguing over some minor point or other.  Every

subject I peruse has this intense sniping going on, even the moderated

ones.  Why is this necessary?



Abel Merrick,

                     o o

---Lost in Maryland---U

                      ?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 10:48:28 GMT



(Abel Merrick) wrote:

intense sniping going on, even the moderated

> ones.  Why is this necessary?

> 



Human nature?

 



Cyli

Once you posit infinity,the rest is easy.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 15 Oct 1995 03:20:35 GMT



abelm@wam.umd.edu (Abel Merrick) wrote:

>Someday I hope to find at least one newsgroup where people are not

>viciously/childishly arguing over some minor point or other.  Every

>subject I peruse has this intense sniping going on, even the moderated

>ones.  Why is this necessary?

>

>Abel Merrick,

>                     o o

>---Lost in Maryland---U

>                      ?

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You are right on the money Abel. I have been reading this

group and find that certain individuals must show their

superior intelligence or so they think, and use childish

retorts to try and embellish their education. You know 

they have all the answers and we are all dumb except them

so we better listen. It is a shame though Abel, that this 

is probably the only media they can feel Great. You see 

they don't have to confront in person, warriors they aren't

only educated elitists that can only have power on the NET

unseen, protected and unsure of themselves in real life.



'It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he 

believes he already knows" (Epictetus (c.a.d. 55-c.135)



Sincerely,

-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ma Huang/Ephedra need info

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 07:00:22 GMT



In message ID <45pum3$9gb@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> on 10/14/95, Brad Bishop

wrote:



: 'It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he 

: believes he already knows" (Epictetus (c.a.d. 55-c.135)

: 



Fine for Epictetus, but try and contextualize that some. Does it mean, then,

that all forms of knowledge are delusions waiting to be unravelled? Hardly.

The truth about the health damage you can do to yourself with stimulant herbs

is hardly a earth-shaking secret. Short-term fools get all bent out of shape

when you tell them that their cocaine habit will in fact damage their health,

perhaps permanently, even though it is 'natural.' Does Epictetus think

otherwise? If so, he joins the fools in their folly.



So much for common sense. Who needs it, when there is a Bartlett's handy?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea Tree

From: badamo1@aol.com (Badamo1)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 22:04:51 -0400



I planted Tea Tree plants this spring. Does anyone know anything about

their cultivation- whether they are hardy etc, and how to "harvest" them.

Do you dry the leaves? and then, how do you prepare it for use?



Thanx,

Bette





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Tea Tree

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 10:56:18 -0700



bette! what i would like to know is...where did you get the sapling for the

teatree???? i've been looking for seeds and/or plants for FOUR YEARS.

 

please write me and tell me where you got them?

poppy@someherb.com



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RE: Tea Tree

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:44:57 GMT



Hey, I'd like to know where to pick up a sapling as well.....can you 

e-mail me please @ melissa.abraham@teldta.com



Cheers. Thanks.



Melissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RE: Tea Tree

From: jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 02:29:24 GMT



>   "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com> writes:

>  Hey, I'd like to know where to pick up a sapling as well.....can you 

>  e-mail me please @ melissa.abraham@teldta.com

>>>>



The name to ask for is: Melaleuca alternifolia, maybe a nursery could 

order one for you.

Don't know where you are located, but Melaleucas are not cold hardy.



Peace,

Jose



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  voice - (717)737-5722               |          Rosemary Gladstar

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Tea Tree

From: joseph.davis@grape.net (Joseph Davis)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:04:00 -0700



p >Message-ID: <9510061056.0FD6Z00@someherb.com>

p >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

p >Organization: SOMETHING HERBAL BBS





p >bette! what i would like to know is...where did you get the sapling for

p >teatree???? i've been looking for seeds and/or plants for FOUR YEARS.

 

p >please write me and tell me where you got them?

p >poppy@someherb.com





p >--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





The Tea Tree, Thea sinensis, the seed is available from Dow Seeds Hawaii 

LTD  P.O. Box 30144  Honolulu Hawaii 96820.  Tele: (808)836-3262.



Joe



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea Tree

From: anon4269@nyx10.cs.du.edu (The Other One)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:44:03 -0600



In article <378.4724.744@grape.net>,

Joseph Davis <joseph.davis@grape.net> wrote:

> ...

>The Tea Tree, Thea sinensis, the seed is available from Dow Seeds Hawaii 

>LTD  P.O. Box 30144  Honolulu Hawaii 96820.  Tele: (808)836-3262.



I got some Camellia sinensis seeds a few years ago from:



   The Banana Tree, Inc.

   715 Northampton St.

   Easton, PA  18042

     phone: (215) 253-9589

     fax:   (215) 253-4864

     (catalog: $3.00)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea Tree

From: Georg_Borchorst@online.pol.dk (Georg Borchorst)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 13:22:29 GMT



Hey, Joseph Davis.

Tea tree is NOT Thea sinensis. Thea sinensis is ordinary black tea. Tea tree

is a Melaleuca-species.



Greetings, Georg Borchorst



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea Tree

From: dckinsn@whale.st.usm.edu (Karen Lynn Dickinson)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 04:11:34 GMT



Georg Borchorst (Georg_Borchorst@online.pol.dk) wrote:

: Hey, Joseph Davis.

: Tea tree is NOT Thea sinensis. Thea sinensis is ordinary black tea. Tea tree

: is a Melaleuca-species.



: Greetings, Georg Borchorst



In fact, there are a couple of melaleucas... the one most commonly

referred to as "tea tree" is melaleuca alternafolia.



--Karen Dickinson

******************************************************************************

Be what you is, 'cause if you be what you ain't, then you ain't what you is!

******************************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal stimulant recommendations?

From: norris4@aol.com (NORRIS4)

Date: 4 Oct 1995 22:45:35 -0400



Oooh, I don't know if I'd put ma huang and caffeine together, guys. 

That's the big deal that has caused so much trouble, because some people

do experience heart palpations and increased blood pressure with that

combination.  For mental stimulation, gotu kola is also a good one.



Email me if you have any more questions, I'd be glad to help!



Lynne Norris



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: norris4@aol.com

Subject: Re: herbal stimulant recommendations?

From: Ann Whitfield <ann@ebicom.net>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 03:45:37 GMT



How do you gota kola for memory stimulationa and what brand do 

you buy?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Health with Gourmet Mushrooms

From: "Ralph D. Arnold" <rarnold@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 21:14:25 PST



Are you aware of the health advantages of gourmet mushrooms?

Are you interested in specialty mushroom cultivation?  Visit the www site

for FUNGUS, the free Internet email-newsletter dedicated to specialty 

mushroom cultivation.  You can search previous messages by subject,

plus access other mycology resources.



http://www.mtjeff.com/fungi



<<this site is maintained by volunteer (and non-mushroomer) Vaughn Skinner 

of vaughn@mtjeff.com  ...drop him an email of thanks after you visit the 

site>>



Some of the mycology-related businesses have Internet access.

You can get a free catalog from (& 'click' to their homepages in above http)

FUNGI PERFECTI  (mycomedia@aol.com)        \ Please tell 'em you heard 

MUSHROOMPEOPLE (0002745871@mcimail.com)    / about 'em from FUNGUS

You can obtain bags for biological use & mushroom cultivation from:

UNICORN BAGS, INC.  (unicorn@interserv.com)



Thank you, Ralph Arnold    rarnold@teleport.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com>

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:02:18 -0500



What lack does this show???



I know that some substance is lacking if you get

cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)



Anyone know how to get rid of them???



Sheri  roseleaf@prairie.lakes.com   

http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 06:47:37 GMT



In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951005010046.25108A-100000@Prairie.Lakes.com>,

   Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com> wrote:



>What lack does this show???

>

>I know that some substance is lacking if you get

>cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)

>



Probably one of the B-vitamins.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:42:09 MST



In article <453ght$51k@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> callie@writepage.com (Callie) wr

ites:

>From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

>Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

>Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 06:47:37 GMT



>In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951005010046.25108A-100000@Prairie.Lakes.com>,

>   Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com> wrote:



>>What lack does this show???

>>

>>I know that some substance is lacking if you get

>>cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)



That is just one of the manifestations of herpes simplex or cold sores.  Some 

people get big blisters, some people, like you and my good friend Nancy (as 

diagnosed by her doctor) get cracks at the corners of the mouth.  all the same 

thing.  Try some camphor in any form or some aloe overnight - eliminates them 

immediately.                    -DDR





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 15:22:20 GMT



picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||) wrote:



>In article <453ght$51k@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> callie@writepage.com (Callie) w

rites:

>>>I know that some substance is lacking if you get

>>>cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)



>That is just one of the manifestations of herpes simplex or cold sores.  Some 

>people get big blisters, some people, like you and my good friend Nancy (as 

>diagnosed by her doctor) get cracks at the corners of the mouth.  



This is a condition called 'angular cheilitis', not to be confused

with herpes simplex.  It looks like cracks, lines, radiating at the

corners, angles, of the mouth.  They are benign, non-infectious,

irritating, and somewhat disfiguring lesions.  Totally annoying at

times.



A.  It very commonly occurs in people who have complete dentures that

are several years old and have lost vertical dimension in their bite,

leading to over-closure.  

        a.  For over-closure problems, obviously the dentist is best

        consulted.

B.  It also quite frequently occurs in people who have all their

teeth, but are intolerant of dry and/or cold weather.  Hopefully the

situation encountered here!  :-)

        b.  Moisturizers will hellp alleviate the dry/cold problem, whatever

        moisturizer works best on you.  Some people do well with simple

        Vaseline!



Proper nutriton is recommended at ALL times, for ALL conditions.

Good Luck!

:-)

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: jfaherty@hom.net (John Faherty)

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 10:34:58 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951005010046.25108A-100000@Prairie.Lakes.com>,

>   Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com> wrote:



>>What lack does this show???

>>

>>I know that some substance is lacking if you get

>>cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)

>>



>Probably one of the B-vitamins.



The condition is called  " Cheilosis".



Vitamin B (riboflavin) deficiency can cause Cheilosis (cracking and

fissuring of the lips at the corners of the mouth).



food sources:                         mg



Beef liver, 3 oz   ........           3.52

milk 1cup             ...........       0.54

lean hamburger 3oz...............0.22

spinach 1/2 cup....................0.22



values obtained from    USDA: Composition of foods Handbook No. 8

series.

Just Surfin" the Net and Soakin' Up Cathode Rays!



~:D-<--</waaaahhhhhoooooo!  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: pisces@mainelink.net (!M!ichelleYS)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 18:20:42 GMT



Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com> wrote:



>Anyone know how to get rid of them???

>

>

>Sheri  roseleaf@prairie.lakes.com   

>http://prairie.lakes.com/~roseleaf

>



I have found that Bag Balm (you can find it at any old store, I think)

eliminates them quickly for me.  It works great, and quickly, on

anything like that.  It has an antiseptic nature and soothes at the

same time.



!M!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cracks at corner of Mouth??/

From: daschan@pop.jaring.my (Diane Marie Chan)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:47:10 +0730



In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951005010046.25108A-100000@Prairie.Lakes.com>,

Sheri Graber <roseleaf@Prairie.Lakes.com> wrote:



> What lack does this show???

> 

> I know that some substance is lacking if you get

> cracks at the corners of your mouth. (vit-C?)

> 

> Anyone know how to get rid of them???



Cracks in the corners of the mouth, contrary to some persons' opinions,

are not necessarily a form of Herpes Simplex. Sometimes they are merely

the result, as you have conjectured, a deficiency of mineral salts or

vitamins. For immediate relief, apply a topical balm (I recommend Super

Lysine Plus by Quantum--available at some healthfood shops--for any kind

of lip cracks and even cold sores), and take an extra dose of Vitamins A,

C and E. Homeopathic remedy? You might try silica.--D. Chan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: milk processing fungus

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 07:32:53 GMT



I'm looking for info on a milk processing fungus.



I've heard it's called a mushroom.  It looks more like your brain on

semtex.  Or more prosaically like tapioca pudding.



It gets fed whole milk.  By pouring milk over it.  And likes room

temperature.



The milk gets modified to something like yogurt.  Or maybe more like

kefir.  Similar taste.



The yogified milk is the stuff to drink, not the fungus stuff.



Dosage: supposedly 1/4l for 20 days, then 10 days off; repeat cycle.



It's said to cure everything including cancer.



It's said to turn black and die if in contact with metal.



It's said to come from Tibet, possibly by way of Switzerland.



Anybody know what it is, common and scientific names, any other

info?



Anyone know the subscription address for herb-l?



email replies appreciated.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: arachis

From: saatchi@iafrica.com (Saatchi & Saatchi Klerck and Barrett)

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:25:30



IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO KNOWS OF USES (MEDICINAL OR OTHER) FOR ARACHIS 

OIL

(I KNOW THIS ISN'T STRICTLY SPEAKING A HERB)



OR PERHAPS YOU COULD REFER ME TO ANOTHER GROUP?  I'M STILL "GREEN".





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RDs recommending herbal preparations?

From: apboyar@aol.com (APBoyar)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 09:20:28 -0400



I am interested in finding out if registered dietitians (RDs) are reading

this newsgroup and recommending herbal preparations to their clients.

Please send me a message about your use of plant medicinals in your

practice.  Other nutritionists also welcome to comment.

Thanks very much.

A. Boyar





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Share the Lore!

From: eodale@brainiac.com (Denise Ruiz)

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:15:57 LOCAL



What is Seeker?

Seeker is a totally voluntary and nonprofit internet magazine, in

a web page format.  The seeker staff members, (all five of them)

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for...but who knows, if this idea takes off, accepted submissions

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around you, and escape being institutionalized?  And if so, can

you tell us all how?  If you have answered yes to any of the

above, then you may be just the contributor we are looking for. 

We can't pay you, but we can provide a place for you to

speak...to be heard.  Consider us your own electronic soapbox.  

We are looking for original submissions in all media...graphics,

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We can't guarantee that all submissions will make it into an

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: To Jack re: get a "real doctor"

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 5 Oct 1995 17:15:11 GMT



>Anyway back to the subject - Why did you turn to these things?  Have 

>you considered using accupuncture?  Yes, no, why not?  What about sand

>painting?  What about bathing in the Jordon River or the Ganges? How

>about spiritual healing by the laying on of hands? Why-why not? Where

>do you draw the line? There are a lot of ideas out there how do you

>determine which to try or ignore? WHY WHY WHY?!!!



Sounds like you have a lot of serious problems coping with decision

making. The world's a huge place, Jack, and you have to learn to sift

through the shit to get to the gems, be it in herbs, or modern

medicine, or human relations, or your job, or ANYWHERE. You draw the

line where ever you want to, and if your closed-minded, that line may

be a little too close to your toes. You trip over it often, then holler

WHY WHY WHY?!!! when you fall down or feel lost. I mean, why not

question those who say carrots have vitamin A, and fear all carrots and

resort to a chemical diet??? A carrot's a root, like ginseng's a root

like echinacea's a root etc.



Just chill out, Jack, get some books on herbs (Penelope Ody's "The

Complete Medicinal Herbal" Weiss's "Growing and Using the Healing

Herbs"). Keep reading this newsgroup. Try some herbs. Plant those that

you like. Live. Experiment. Discover. Be well. Have fun.



Nuff sed for this thread.



John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What about horse chestnuts??

From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

Date: 5 Oct 95 17:20:22 GMT



Hi there!



Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?



Thanks a lot in advance!



Ari Solovyova





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: Kathy Buchanan <kbuchanan@am.ncr.forestry.ca>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 16:36:15 GMT



asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:

>

> Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?

> 

No!  Cooked or otherwise, they are inedible.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 18:27:21 GMT



Kathy Buchanan <kbuchanan@am.ncr.forestry.ca> wrote:

>asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:

>>

>> Does anyone know if horse chestnuts can be used as food (baked or otherwise)?

>> 

>No!  Cooked or otherwise, they are inedible.

 Yeah-- and worse. Poisonous glycosides. Petersens guide to edibles.. or 

medicinals, I forget... lists them as associated with fatalities from 

consumption. I don't know all the gory details-- what exactly they do to 

you. Squirrels seem to eat them without ill effects though. So if you 

have oaks AND horse chestnuts, you could probably leave the chestnuts for 

the squirrels and make flour from the acorns without feeling too guilty.

Liz(who feeds 'em corn to make sure they don't starve)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lizjones+@pitt.edu

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 23:53:06 GMT



I remember reading a good discusion of horse chestnuts in "The Male

Herbal" This is a powerful herbal with restorative properties for the 

prostate gland but has some toxic potential. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:55:51 GMT



"libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM> wrote:

>I remember reading a good discusion of horse chestnuts in "The Male

>Herbal" This is a powerful herbal with restorative properties for the 

>prostate gland but has some toxic potential. 

Some toxic potential as in, it will kill you, very possibly... Like many 

other  poisounous herbs this is probably one best used in homeopathic 

doses, if at all. Perhaps this was in fact the dosage in the book you 

mention?

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: gins@bu.edu (charles ginsburg)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:06:10 GMT



Liz Jones (lizjones+@pitt.edu) wrote:

: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM> wrote:

: >I remember reading a good discusion of horse chestnuts in "The Male

: >Herbal" This is a powerful herbal with restorative properties for the 

: >prostate gland but has some toxic potential. 

: Some toxic potential as in, it will kill you, very possibly... Like many 

: other  poisounous herbs this is probably one best used in homeopathic 

: doses, if at all. Perhaps this was in fact the dosage in the book you 

: mention?

: Liz

In a wilderness survival course I took, I was told the leaves and shoots

could be crushed and dropped into a small pond, and that a neurotoxin

in the plant would stun fish which could be easily gathered.  I haven't

heard or read of anything else about this, but I've been a little wary of

the plant ever since.  Anyone with more information on this?

                                        Gins





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 05:37:46 GMT



On 16 Oct 1995 22:06:10 GMT, gins@bu.edu (charles ginsburg) wrote:



>Liz Jones (lizjones+@pitt.edu) wrote:

>: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM> wrote:

>: >I remember reading a good discusion of horse chestnuts in "The Male

>: >Herbal" This is a powerful herbal with restorative properties for the 

>: >prostate gland but has some toxic potential. 

>: Some toxic potential as in, it will kill you, very possibly... Like many 

>: other  poisounous herbs this is probably one best used in homeopathic 

>: doses, if at all. Perhaps this was in fact the dosage in the book you 

>: mention?

>: Liz

>In a wilderness survival course I took, I was told the leaves and shoots

>could be crushed and dropped into a small pond, and that a neurotoxin

>in the plant would stun fish which could be easily gathered.  I haven't

>heard or read of anything else about this, but I've been a little wary of

>the plant ever since.  Anyone with more information on this?

>                                       Gins

>



Yes I've posted on this before when someone was trying to find out if

their "common" chestnuts were edible. They never said if it might be

"horse-chestnuts" so I warned them.  But I've read (never tried) that

the actual horse-chestnuts are ground up into a paste, mixed with some

water, and that solution is spread in the water to paralyze the fish.

It used to be used by Native Americans.  Though, using chemicals or

any other device other than lures and bait to fish with is illegal in

nearly every state in the u.s.  I've not heard that the leaves and

shoots were a neurotoxin too, but I don't see why not. I've also not

read of any medicinal uses for this plant, but with such a powerful

substance in it, it should be researched as a possible pain reliever

or something for use under emergency situations of major trauma or ...

something.  I don't know what kind of paralysis it induces though.

Needs laboratory study. (and there's no horse-chestnuts around these

parts for me to analyze).  (been up late, can't think of the medical

terms for what I just wrote about :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: foreswtvp@sirius.com (Forest Harlan)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:08:01 -0800



In article <45vffv$p1j@blackice.winternet.com>, camel@winternet.com wrote:



> On 16 Oct 1995 22:06:10 GMT, gins@bu.edu (charles ginsburg) wrote:

> 

> >Liz Jones (lizjones+@pitt.edu) wrote:

> >: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM> wrote:

> >: >I remember reading a good discusion of horse chestnuts in "The Male

> >: >Herbal" This is a powerful herbal with restorative properties for the 

> >: >prostate gland but has some toxic potential. 

> >:



I am quoting from the "The New Age Herbalist," by Richard Mabey in re:

Horse Chestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum, parts used are the fruit and

bark.  THE NUTS ARE POISONOUS.  Constituents include saponins, esp.

aescine, flavonoids, coumarins, and the fruit contains tannins.  Main uses

are to strengthen veins, and it can be made into an ointment for

hemorrhoids.  The astringent tannins, flavonoids, and saponins in horse

chestnut combine to tone and strenghten the venous walls.  In an ointment

it is a first-rate remedy for hemorrhoids.  It is also used to treat

prostatic enlargement.



Forest



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What about horse chestnuts??

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:21:38 GMT



foreswtvp@sirius.com (Forest Harlan) wrote:



>I am quoting from the "The New Age Herbalist," by Richard Mabey in re:

>Horse Chestnut (Aesculus hippocastanum, parts used are the fruit and

>bark.  THE NUTS ARE POISONOUS.  Constituents include saponins, esp.

>aescine, flavonoids, coumarins, and the fruit contains tannins.  

<snip>

Fruit of the horse chestnut IS the chestnut, I think... never saw any 

intermediate stages on our tree that might be construed as fruit... I 

believe the saponins as well as some nasty glycosides are what causes the 

lethality factor, but I'm going on pretty sketchy memory here...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ?? herbs for strained achilles

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 5 Oct 1995 17:24:35 GMT



I briefly learned that there are poultices/plasters that can relieve

(and maybe heal) a strained muscle or tendon. Anyone have any info to

share on this? Which plants, and how to prepare and apply?



My bummin' achilles appreciates your replys.



Been to a "real doctor" already, twice, and I don't want his useless,

ulcer-inducing prescription or Aleve,



John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? herbs for strained achilles

From: Willi Schoch <wschoch@mus.ch>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 10:57:15 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:

>

> I briefly learned that there are poultices/plasters that can relieve

> (and maybe heal) a strained muscle or tendon. Anyone have any info to

> share on this? Which plants, and how to prepare and apply?

> 

> My bummin' achilles appreciates your replys.

> 

> Been to a "real doctor" already, twice, and I don't want his useless,

> ulcer-inducing prescription or Aleve,

> 

> John



I have made very good experiences with a combination of bugle,

archangel and woodruff which I prepared from fresh plants (alcoholic

extraction). Those herbs don't really work for that purpose if they

are dried, and mazeration does preserve the qualities of the fresh 

plants. From that extract I make a salve with herbal mucilage from

slippery elm and comfrey. If it is prepared with care, this keeps

ointment keeps for two years in sealed jars.



Maybe this is not of great help for your strained tendon, as one has

to collect the herbs in spring. Yet it is consideration to have

certain preparations in stock for the year - and this ointment is

excellent for all kinds of problems with tendons and muscles - and

it is very likely that there is some use over the year. My friends

love this ointment and come to me when they have such problems.



This may be an unusual approach to many people, but I love to go to

the woods and collect my own herbs. This gives me a closer

realtionship with the plants and also teaches me more respect.

To me healing is more than just going to a shop and buying some 

herbs. And many herbs should really be used fresh or be mazerated

in alcohol in its fresh state.



Willi





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: acorns are edible

From: Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:54:22 -0500



I have eaten acorn bread for years and it is delicious. Some species

can be eaten others, not. Go to your local library or college library

and look references to the species of oaks found in your area. Some

guides will say if the acorns are bitter or sweet (relative term).

Use only the edible ones like white or burr oaks and leave the live

oak or black jack oaks alone (they are awful).

Shell them with a pair of pliers and toss the ones that have spots or

are wormy out for the squirrels and jays to eat-they aren't squimish.

Put them through a blender to grind fine, boil in a old pot you don't 

care if it stains and boil through four or five changes of water. Then

pour the gloppy mess onto a foil-lined cookie sheet to dry in low oven.

NO NOT BURN! You have to watch this. This will all take time so a wet

and dreary winter day will be perfect for this. When this is brittle and

dry, remove from oven and cool for a few minutes, break up and run through

blender again on fine grind (use a coffee mill if you have one) and seal

in air tight glass jars or old marg. tubs like I do and it will keep fine

for a year or more. The acorn meal and flour is the color of cocoa powder

and makes great muffins, bread, pancakes etc. when used in a 50/50 blend

with white flour.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: news:alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Poison ivy

From: Lorraine Cherry <lcherry@son1.nur.uth.tmc.edu>

Date: 5 Oct 1995 18:28:00 GMT



To relieve the itching of poison ivy, take a very, very hot shower; as 

hot as you can bear short of actually scalding your skin.  This itches 

almost unbearably as you do it, but then the itching miraculously 

disappears for as long as four-five hours.  I had a very sever case of 

poison ivy last summer, and I can swear that this is the only thing that 

worked.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cajeput oil - help query?

From: ag151@ccn.cs.dal.ca (Diane Cooper)

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:50:37 GMT



What is cajeput oil? Does it go by some other name? In a mixture of 

camphor, mint oil, clove oil and menthol what function does cajeput oil fill?

Private replies quite acceptable as I do not regularly read this group 

although I will for the next week for replies. Thanks in advance. D. Cooper

ag151@ccn.cs.dal.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cajeput oil - help query?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 23:13:43 GMT



In article <DFztwE.Msz@cs.dal.ca>,

   ag151@ccn.cs.dal.ca (Diane Cooper) wrote:



>What is cajeput oil? Does it go by some other name? In a mixture of 

>camphor, mint oil, clove oil and menthol what function does cajeput oil 

fill?



It has an action similar to oil of cloves: stimulant or counter-irritant

often used in linaments.



It has no other name: the oil of Meleleuca leucadendron var. cajeputi



Callie



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http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cajeput oil - help query?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 08:13:09 



In article: <451tjd$gi8@nnrp3.news.primenet.com>  callie@writepage.com 

(Callie) writes:

> 

> In article <DFztwE.Msz@cs.dal.ca>,

>    ag151@ccn.cs.dal.ca (Diane Cooper) wrote:

> 

> >What is cajeput oil? Does it go by some other name? In a mixture of 

> >camphor, mint oil, clove oil and menthol what function does cajeput oil 

> fill?

> 

> It has an action similar to oil of cloves: stimulant or counter-irritant

> often used in linaments.

> 

> It has no other name: the oil of Meleleuca leucadendron var. cajeputi



Hi.



Cajeput does have other "common" names , White Tea Tree, Swamp Tea Tree or 

White wood. Though I suspect that these names are not that "common" <grin>



Graham

> 

> Callie

> 

> Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

> http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.

> 

> 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  HELP VITILIGO

From: michelsh@texas.net

Date: 5 Oct 1995 21:07:34 GMT



I have had vitiligo since I was nine years old - have tried PABA and L-Tyrosine 

with no

luck .... anyone have any suggestions?   It is getting worse and more noticiable

 - any help

is appreciated.

  

Thanks.   Heather

email:  michelsh@texas.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal whole foods

From: syedtm@terraport.net (Mariam Syed)

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 95 22:49:17 GMT



We are an International manufacturer of chinese herbal whole foods.  And have a 

line of 43 products crossing the lines of health, haircare, nail care, skin care

, dental care and make up. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal / Homeopathic Aid for Panic Disorder?????

From: marctron@ix.netcom.com (Ray Mason )

Date: 5 Oct 1995 23:08:43 GMT



Hi,



   Does anyone have, or know of a "natural" substitute for Xanax? I

have tried Valerian Root but it doesn't have the power to calm me

enough. If I take Xanax I'm fine 45 minutes later, with Valerian I just

get a bit drowsy and maybe a little calmer. Does anyone know of

anything better? If so please Email me.

                                            Thank you,

                                     Ray Mason (marctron@ix.netcom.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: trobert@ix.netcom.com (Ted Roberts )

Date: 5 Oct 1995 23:11:47 GMT



I hope this doesn't sound too unintelligent, but I thought that 

pycnogenol was either grade seed extract or pine bark.  Is this

correct?  If both are pycnogenol, does one work better than the

other for different situations.  I started taking grape seed ex-

tract on the advice of my daughter for my back pain.  The brand

is NOW which is distributed by NOW Natural Foods out of Glendale,

IL.  Could anyone explain to me the difference in grape seed extract

and the pine bark.  Thanks in advance for any info provided.



Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: Jack_Challem@ortel.org (Jack Challem)

Date: 06 Oct 1995 17:23:22 GMT



<<I hope this doesn't sound too unintelligent, but I thought that 

pycnogenol was either grade seed extract or pine bark.  Is this

correct?  If both are pycnogenol, does one work better than the

other for different situations.  I started taking grape seed ex-

tract on the advice of my daughter for my back pain.  The brand

is NOW which is distributed by NOW Natural Foods out of Glendale,

IL.  Could anyone explain to me the difference in grape seed extract

and the pine bark.  Thanks in advance for any info provided.



Linda>>



I won't attempt to go into the details, or plug either of these products.

However, both contain proanthocyanidins, which are a sub-category of

flavonoids. More than 4,000 flavonoids have been identified in plants, and so

have more than 250 proanthocyanidins. I suspect that differences between pine

bark and grape seed extract relate to a different naturally occurring

combination of proanthocyanidins. I tend to think pine bark is over-priced

and over-hyped. Grape seed isn't much better, but it does contain a small

amount of gallic esters (another type of flavonoid), which are the active

ingredients in green tea. The research on green tea is far more impressive

than that on either pycnogenol or grape seed extract.



Jack Challem

Editor & Publisher

THE NUTRITION REPORTER TM newsletter 



***************************************************************

THE NUTRITION REPORTER, an independent newsletter, summarizes recent medical jou

rnal

articles on vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients. For sample issues, send $3 

and a long

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com (Steven B. Harris )

Date: 7 Oct 1995 18:39:59 GMT



In <4569oq$6bq@nntp.crl.com> Krispin Sullivan <krispin@crl.com> writes:



>

>I agree with Jack Challem.  Proanthocyanidins work and are found 

>many places.  The key to efficacy is dose and if they cost a 

>fortune to purchase the amount one can afford will be too small 

>to make a difference.  Green Tea extracts are reasonably priced 

>and have great research.

>

>-- 

>Krispin Sullivan, CN          Under the Oaks in Marin, CA

>

>



Geez, the green tea extracts I've seen on the market are as expensive

as the grape seed extracts.  Have any tips on cheap sources?



                                               Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: misterplus@aol.com (MisterPlus)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 23:15:59 -0400



What do you consider expensive for Pycnogenol?  I get 60 50mg tablets

containing both pine bark & grape seed for only $19.00.



Take care...Tony





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: Bill Patterson <bphata@primenet.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 14:41:32 GMT



From: misterplus@aol.com (MisterPlus)

Tony wrote:

>What do you consider expensive for Pycnogenol?  I get 60 50mg tablets

>containing both pine bark & grape seed for only $19.00.



Tony's  60 @  50mg = $19

or

Bill's 100 @ 100mg = $36.50



10,000mg = $36.50 or .00365 per mg. or $.365 per 100mg.

 3,000mg = $19.00 or .00633 per mg. or $.633 per 100mg.



Yes Tony it adds up, you are paying almost twice as much as I am.

Thanks Tony, Now I don't feel so bad.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: infinity@infinite.win.net (Brandon Reese)

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 17:33:47 GMT



 

In article <456orj$a4t@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Bill Patterson (bphata@primenet

.com) writes:

>Yes let's talk about price on these little golden grapes.

>I'm paying $36.50 for a bottle of 100 Capsules, 100 mg., Jarrow brand 

>name. The OPC-95's. Makes you wonder if maybe a daily glass of wine 

>wouldn't be better :-)

>

>



I'm paying $14.95  60 capsules.



It is a specific blend of grape seed extracts and maritime pine

bark. It is much more effective than either one  of them alone. 



For centuries, winemakers have known the secrets of using specific 

enzyme combinations to enhance the grape's potency in the wine.



Yours in health,



Brandon  



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: Jack_Challem@ortel.org (Jack Challem)

Date: 08 Oct 1995 02:54:57 GMT



<<Geez, the green tea extracts I've seen on the market are as expensive

as the grape seed extracts.  Have any tips on cheap sources?>>



Why not do as the Chinese do? A cup or two of green tea should do just

fine...without excessive caffeine. Not everything requires a capsule!



Jack Challem

Editor & Publisher

THE NUTRITION REPORTER TM newsletter 



***************************************************************

THE NUTRITION REPORTER, an independent newsletter, summarizes recent medical jou

rnal

articles on vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients. For sample issues, send $3 

and a long

self-addressed envelope with 55 cents postage to The Nutrition Reporter, 

PO Box 5505, Aloha OR 97006 USA. By the way...we do not sell vitamins.

***************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com (Steven B. Harris )

Date: 8 Oct 1995 06:23:16 GMT



In <1816371135.11717106@ortel.org> Jack_Challem@ortel.org (Jack Challem) 

writes: 



>

><<Geez, the green tea extracts I've seen on the market are as expensive

>as the grape seed extracts.  Have any tips on cheap sources?>>

>

>Why not do as the Chinese do? A cup or two of green tea should do just

>fine...without excessive caffeine. Not everything requires a capsule!

>

>

>Jack Challem

>Editor & Publisher

>THE NUTRITION REPORTER TM newsletter 

>



  The problem, Jack, is that I really hate the taste.  BTW, how long 

have you been publishing Nutrition Reporter, and how much are all 

back-issues?



                                            Steve Harris, M.D.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 08 Oct 1995 17:04:09 GMT



On 10/7/95 at 7:54 PM, Jack_Challem@ortel.org wrote:



: <<Geez, the green tea extracts I've seen on the market are as 

: expensive

: as the grape seed extracts.  Have any tips on cheap sources?>>

: 

: Why not do as the Chinese do? A cup or two of green tea should do 

: just

: fine...without excessive caffeine. Not everything requires a capsule!



You'll not get dramatic amounts of PC's that way, and the caffeine is more

than many need in their day.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: Jack_Challem@ortel.org (Jack Challem)

Date: 09 Oct 1995 00:47:15 GMT



<<For centuries, winemakers have known the secrets of using specific 

enzyme combinations to enhance the grape's potency in the wine.>>



You know...some of the benefits of wine may be from proanthocyanidic tannins

leached from the oak cask that wine is aged in...not from the grapes.



Jack Challem

Editor & Publisher

THE NUTRITION REPORTER TM newsletter 



***************************************************************

THE NUTRITION REPORTER, an independent newsletter, summarizes recent medical jou

rnal

articles on vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients. For sample issues, send $3 

and a long

self-addressed envelope with 55 cents postage to The Nutrition Reporter, 

PO Box 5505, Aloha OR 97006 USA. By the way...we do not sell vitamins.

***************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol - Grape Seed Extract

From: mannro@aol.com (MannRo)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:00:31 -0400



In article <456orj$a4t@nnrp1.news.primenet.com>, Bill Patterson

<bphata@primenet.com> writes:



>Yes let's talk about price on these little golden grapes.

>I'm paying $36.50 for a bottle of 100 Capsules, 100 mg., Jarrow brand 

>name. The OPC-95's. Makes you wonder if maybe a daily glass of wine 

>wouldn't be better :-)



Wine is much more fun, but the OPCs are a great product yet the same can

be had much cheaper at Personal Support Vitamins & Health Foods,

800-265-5988.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Can anyone help me with acne?

From: vandy03@aol.com (Vandy03)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 19:52:35 -0400



VANDY03@aol.COM



Could anyone please give me suggestions on what to do?  I am 17 and have

this problem:  acne around my jaw line and below my mouth.  Any help would

be greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail me or post it.



Thank you





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can anyone help me with acne?

From: charget@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 22:17:32 GMT



vandy03@aol.com (Vandy03) wrote:



>VANDY03@aol.COM



>Could anyone please give me suggestions on what to do?  I am 17 and have

>this problem:  acne around my jaw line and below my mouth.  Any help would

>be greatly appreciated.  Please e-mail me or post it.



>Thank you



Acne can sometimes be hard to treat in a generic way, meaning you need

to investigate the underlying reason for the outbreak, ie. is it

hormonal, environmental, stress related, reaction to medication, etc.

Then a possible herbal  or homeopathic treatment may help.  The thing

to consider is that the skin is essentially another kidney and thus is

used by the body to elliminate toxins.  Often acne in the area of the

mouth is caused by a food allergy so this might be where you want to

start.  If the outbreak is recent, have you been eating a favorite

food to excess?  Or maybe eating something that you normally don't?



Although I'm long past your age I still get the occasional outbreak,

in the past I must have tried everything available out there, I have

since found the following to be the only things that helped noticably

and quickly.



1. Avoid my trigger foods and drink more water

2. Wash with Grapefruit soap from The Body Shop and a loofah

3. Use the 5 Minute beauty system from Silk Skin/California Cosmetics



BTW, all of these are applicable whether you are male or female.



Hope this helps.



Bless.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can anyone help me with acne?

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:41:11 GMT



I read (Business of Herbs newsletter) that in India basil oil is used

to treat acne. No one on this newsgroup seemed to know about that the

last time an acne post was made.



Can anyone give more detail on the use of basil oil?



Peace n' herbs,



John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can anyone help me with acne?

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 04:13:55 GMT



Hi John,



I don't know how old you are, but assuming your not a teen

with raging hormones, I would say to look at your liver for

clearing your skin. 



The way the body works, is if your liver is not functioning 

properly it will through the toxins back into the blood and 

the kidneys must filter out the toxins, if the kidneys get 

overloaded. Then the skin which is known as the 3rd kidney 

must take over, and the toxins are eliminated through the skin. 



Clean the Liver clear the Skin....



I make a good formula for restoring the liver to proper health it 

contains:



Milk Thistle Ext. 80%

Schizandra 6:1

Desicated Organic (defatted) live

Choline Bitrate

Inositol

Blueperium

 

Let me know if I can Help!



In Health,



Rebert Green, ND

ocgreen@magicchain.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help for acne please!

From: vandy03@aol.com (Vandy03)

Date: 5 Oct 1995 19:52:36 -0400



Hi.  Could anyone send me some home remedies and other miscellaneous cures

for acne.  This outbreak is irritating me! 



Any help is greatly appreciated.  Please post or e-mail to me at: 

VANDY03@aol.COM





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Acorns ?

From: YHQM07A@prodigy.com (Keith Hutner)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 01:12:52 GMT



 I might be totally ignorant but, to what advantage is it to eat an acorn?

               Besides that wouldn't you feel like you were stealing from 

the squirrels ?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The Nutritional Benefits of Pycnogenol

From: ianw@icacomp.com

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:28:37 GMT



   Pycnogenol is the trade name for a new potent antioxidant nutrient

that comes from the bioflavonoid family of compounds. It is usually

extracted from  maritime pine bark and grape seeds. The compound can

be traced to the French explorer Jacques Cartier . His crew was

trapped and had to live all winter on salted meats and biscuits with

no fruits or vegetables. Several developed scurvy and died. An Indian

taught Cartier to prepare a tea from pine bark and his men recovered

to good health. About 400 years later, Professor Jacques Masquelier

became intrigued with the incident and began extensive testing of the

pine bark the explorers had consumed. He identified and isolated a

unique group of bioflavonoids he called "proanthocyanids" or

"Pycnogenols". He patented his process in 1951 and in 1986 updated it

for the extraction of the wonderful compounds from grape seed.



   Numerous research studies on Pycnogenol have found it strengthens

arteries, veins, capillaries, enhance circulation and cell vitality,

reduce the risk of phlebitis and varicose veins, improve skin

elasticity, counteract inflammation, lessen the effects of stress, and

improve visual acuity.



   Pycnogenol appears to overcome damaging free radicals. Free

radicals including peroxides are by-products formed in our bodies when

molecules of fat react with oxygen. Extensive studies show that free

radicals can also develop in the body due to exposure to txins and

chemicals in the air, food and water. They are also formed by the

body's normal chemical processes, including metabolism and

polyunsaturated fats. Free radicals can be very harmful to the cells

of the body. Some scientists believe that free radicals are the common

denominator of all deseases.



   Pycnogenol hunts down and neutralizes free oxygen radicals in

nanoseconds whenever these nefarious oxygen molecules appear. Cells

thus protected quickly regain their regenerative power and slow the

aging process.



   Pycnogenol is available from various sources. If you would like to

try it E-Mail me and I'll let you know where to get the best quality

product at the best price.



Ian



-- 

Usenet News Administration              news@westonia.com

Westonia BBS, Weston ON





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: EQUISETUM VISCUM PILLULES?

From: rwtwtch@delphi.com

Date: Thu, 5 Oct 95 21:22:54 -0500



I have just been prescribed this for I beleive high blood pressure

any info? Also is there a homeopathic site on usenet?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Source for Spirulina wanted

From: sblamm@cencom.net (Steven Lamm)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 03:50:19 GMT



Does anyone have a good wholesale source for bulk spirulina?  I have used

Frontier and Starwest, but would like to find another one (cheaper).

Thanks fou the help.



Steve





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garcinia Cambogia

From: DPBB33A@prodigy.com (Neil Himmelstein)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 04:33:44 GMT



My firm imports direct from India. Available for immediate shipment.  

1000 kilo minimum.  Also can private label bottles of any size.

N.H.A. Inc.

Fax:515-246-5859





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garcinia Cambogia

From: DPBB33A@prodigy.com (Neil Himmelstein)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 00:43:08 GMT



The fax # for N.H.A. Inc. is 516-246-5859.

Thank you. Sorry for any confusion.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Recipes for sale!!

From: skiper@iglou.iglou.com (Jake Hudson)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 04:53:54 GMT



        Ever gone to a fast food chain restaurant and spent 

$10.00-$15.00 a meal on food that is not that good or even 

healthy??????  Well I know that you so here is my anser

to your money problem for the price of $5.00 you will get 

over 74 recipies that our safe and are very cheap to make.  

A study that I did found out that if you eat at home more

that you eat out then you will live longer and will save al least 

$750-$1500.00 a YEAR!!!!!!!!! All that you have to do is send me the five 

dollars( to handle the time that I put in to make this

all happen) you must also send me a ms-dos pre formatted

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and also include a self addressed stamped envelope................



        One more reason that you should buy these is because you 

can lose weight because all of these are healthy meals that will 

cut your calories........................take off all of that fat.....



  to get your 75 healthy recipes send your $5.00(U.S. money only, 

ONLY CASH) your 1 preformatted ( 3.5inch 1.44 meg) disk, and a self 

addressed stamped envelope.



if you want more recpes then send $10.00 and you will get 150 of the

best tasting recipies in the world.  Just try then they are only 

$5.00-$10.00 it will be worth it for you.



ok, here is my final offer if you just want to try out the product 

to see if it works then send $1.00(cash only) to the address below........

........you will not need a disk for this option..........you will

then receive 5 recipes to try and see if you like, befor you by 

the big pack........



                   Send all the stuff to:

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: clearing out lungs

From: kdolgener@origin.ea.com (Karl Dolgener)

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 10:09:15 CST



What sort of herb would be good for clearing out the lungs? I recently quit 

smoking and am looking for something i can use in a steamer to clear out the 

residuals in my lungs. Thank. Karl 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clearing out lungs

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 95 08:42:34 GMT



In article <kdolgener.14.001273FA@origin.ea.com>,

   kdolgener@origin.ea.com (Karl Dolgener) wrote:



>What sort of herb would be good for clearing out the lungs? I recently 

quit 

>smoking and am looking for something i can use in a steamer to clear out 

the 

>residuals in my lungs. Thank. Karl 



Karl - 

  Locate some camphor ... it comes in small blocks of a whitish

to clear crystalline stuff, tightly wrapped in plastic.

  Crush one of the blocks and put about 1/8tsp into the steamer.

Save the rest in a tightly sealed glass jar.



You'll clear the lungs!  



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clearing out lungs

From: spirit002@aol.com (Spirit002)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 19:41:11 -0400



The best thing I have found for clearing out your lungs is not herbal but

Ayurvedic exercises. Take a deep breath, then say a vowel (A,E,I,O, or U)

for as long as you can. Do this three times. Then do the same with HUMMMM.

I know it sounds crazy but it clears your lungs and sinuses. 

I smoked for 19 years and know how hard it is to quit. (I haven't smoked

in 9 years).     If you get the urge to smoke, picture Jesse Helms talking

about taxpayer support for the tobacco industry....that's enough to sicken

anyone on cigarettes.

Spirit





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clearing out lungs

From: chenuec@aol.com (ChenueC)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 09:49:02 -0400



My husband has a problem with mucus due to asthma. He has found drinking

fenugreek tea in the morning helps clear the lungs and he relies heavily

on a Christopher Hobbs formula from Rainbow Light called Grindelia/Yerba

Sante.

Chenue - Optimun Natural Foods and Products, Inc., Napa CA





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: chenuec@aol.com

Subject: Re: clearing out lungs

From: "W.Harry" <harry@audre.com>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:56:57 GMT



I have found that Chinese/Japanese green tea (brewed very strong and bitter)

works very well when taken before retiring.  

-- 

cheers - Vasya





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: clearing out lungs

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 03:56:39 GMT



In message ID <45br9p$lis@news.cerf.net> on 10/9/95, W.Harry wrote:



: I have found that Chinese/Japanese green tea (brewed very strong and

bitter)

: works very well when taken before retiring.  



Yeah, good idea [not]. Nothing like taking 50 mgs. of caffeine before bed.

Pleasant dreams!



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hi need help on the prep of Echinacea

From: amarkham@direct.ca (Oracle)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 16:22:26 GMT



If anyone has any txt files related to the topic of preparation or

cultivation of Echinacea.... my mom would very much appreciate info on

the topic. 



Thank all



                                Oracle



PS my internet adress is amarkham@direct.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Degrees

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:31:29 -0800



Hello there....



I'm going back to school after WAY too long away and I'm considering a 

degree in Ethnobotany.  Since I really know very little, I was hoping 

someone could tell me if this would be the right degree to study the 

medicinal effects of herbs.  Also, any advice as to what are good 

schools, the best areas of study, etc. would be greatly appreciated.



Also, I grew up in Native villages in Alaska and Artemisia Alaskana and 

A.Tilesii were used as a cure-all.  The effects seemed pretty spectacular 

to me, and I'd love to know what other people know about these or their 

relative A.Absinthium. Is any organized research being done on their effects?



Thanks so much



                        Amanda



"James gave the huffle of a snail in danger and came to the end of his 

brick" A.A.Milne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: A good, basic book?

From: Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu>

Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:50:37 GMT



I'm new to this newsgroup and I haven't had much experience using herbal 

remedies but after acting on a friend's suggestion and using echinecea 

to combat a cold (more effective than any o.t.c. remedy I had tried in 

the past) I'm convinced that there's much for me to learn--however, I am 

concerned about the effects of herbal remedies, how does one know how 

much to use, etc. most vitamins and herbal supplements available at the 

drug store near here do not offer any information on the label about 

dosage or effects (positive or negative). Could someone suggest a good, 

basic book for a beginner?  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 00:14:56 GMT



"Prescription for Nutritional Healing",by

James F. Balch,MD - Phyllis A. Balch,CNC



"The Melatonin Miracle...Nature's Age-reversing,

Disease-Fighting, Sex-Enhancing Hormone",by

Walter Pierpaoli,MD,PHD - William Regelson,MD 

with Carol Colman ... (MUST READ FOR WOMAN)



"Bountiful Health,Boundless Energy,Brilliant Youth 

the Facts about DHEA", by Dr.Neecie Moore



Visit ... http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy ... for

information on Echinacea, Proanthocyanidins, DHEA,

Melatonin, Saw Palmetto men's formula.



BeHealthy ...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:14:36 -0400



>Need a good basic book...



I like "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" and it's certainly a

bestseller in our store.  The favorite basic herbal remains "New Holistic

Herbal" by David Hoffman.  

A new book that we just got is "Nutritional Herbology" by Mark Pedersen,

published by Whitman, which gives the nutritional breakdown of herbs (how

much vitamin C? how much calcium?).  It's the only book that does this as

far as I'm aware.  Pedersen has considerably revised his earlier editions

of this book, and the new book goes over 300 pages, oversized, with lots

of information.



Hope this helps,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 10:41:53 -0800



On 8 Oct 1995, HealingPgs wrote:



> >Need a good basic book...

> 

> I like "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" and it's certainly a

> bestseller in our store.  The favorite basic herbal remains "New Holistic

> Herbal" by David Hoffman.  

> A new book that we just got is "Nutritional Herbology" by Mark Pedersen,

> published by Whitman, which gives the nutritional breakdown of herbs (how

> much vitamin C? how much calcium?).  It's the only book that does this as

> far as I'm aware.  Pedersen has considerably revised his earlier editions

> of this book, and the new book goes over 300 pages, oversized, with lots

> of information.

> 

> Hope this helps,

> Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

> 

> 

> 

I personally like "The Herb Book" by John Lust (Bantam) Although it can 

be a bit cumbersome to use.  Also, for those of you in the northern 

reaches of North America, Eleanor Viereck's "Alaska'a Wilderness 

Medicines" (Alaska Northwest) is fantastic.  I haven't seen "Nutritional 

Herbalogy" but it comes recommended by about five people I know.

Hope I could help!



                        Mandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: fspr@aurora.alaska.edu

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: "F. Stuart Ross" <fsross@mailbox.syr.edu>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:31:59 GMT



The book I would recommend is Herbs That Heal by Michael and Janet 

Weiner.It is very comprehensive.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: Ling <wakeling.com>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 15:52:03 GMT



"F. Stuart Ross" <fsross@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:

>The book I would recommend is Herbs That Heal by Michael and Janet 

>Weiner.It is very comprehensive.



     I've been collecting herb books for years.  And with herbs which 

are new to me, I confirm information from at least two books.  It's 

funny, but I usually wind up with "Herbs & Things: Jeanne Rose's Herbal" 

as one of those books.  I bought a copy back in '74 or '75, seems like 

I've covered everything in it many times over, and I'm still finding 

stuff. (My beloved recently read an article that mentioned iboga, and 

asked me if I'd ever heard of it.  I said no, but decided to see if I 

had any info...  The only mention I found was in "Herbs & Things".)  She 

has other books out, but this is the one that I use.  It's a good, basic 

book to have, and I'm sure you can find it very inexpensively in a used 

book store.

     I also use the two volume edition "A Modern Herbal" by Mrs. M. 

Grieve (Dover).  Dull-as-ditchwater reading, but does list all sorts of 

information: parts used medicinally, cultivation, medicinal action and 

uses, etc.

     Although this is a recent acquisition for me, "Identifying and 

Harvesting Edible and Medicinal Plants in Wild (and Not So Wild) Places" 

by "Wildman" Steve Brill and Evelyn Dean, has been a fun book to have.

     Good luck in your choices!



          Best wishes,

          Ling (Ling@wakeling.com)

          ...fire and sleet and candle light...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: A good, basic book?

From: 6500nls@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Nancy L. Stockdale)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 18:43:44 -0700



I find "Herbally Yours" by Penny C. Royal quite useful!



nancy :)

:wq



-- 

--

"your finger starts to wiggle and landscapes emerge..." --gordie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PROPOSAL:ALT.THYROID

From: davecam@bbsone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:37:52 GMT



 Hello alt.folklore.herbs readers! The next posting you see with the

same header is one that I submitted to alt.configue (the newsgroup

where you send ideas when you want to start a new newsgroup). I needed

your opinions and feedback to see what you think, as I am convinced

the time is now for the truth to come out! Appreciate your replys!

Dave Campano(davecam@bbsone.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PROPOSAL: ALT.THYROID

From: davecam@bbsone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:38:09 GMT



 Hello again! Why a  proposal for a newsgroup on a lowly endocrine

system gland? Through my girlfriend's research,who has suffered with

hypothyroidism for 30 years,she went on a quest to find out "WHY" she

felt bad suddenly after removal of her medicine from the U.S. market

in 1992! None of the U.S. thyroid medicine worked for her(and most

people I have talked to over the net)! It's the same old story..keep

them sick and they keep coming back! To make a long story

short...Their was a  "Magic Pill" that could help people with this

condition! It was called "Proloid", and two reasons it really worked:

First, it was a natural throid(thyroglobulin) medicine that the body

could use! Synthetics either do not work, or work very poorly! Second,

Proloid had an Albumin carrier that "carried" the natural extract to

the cells where it is needed! Our research is based on Dr. Broda

Barnes who wrote: Hypothyroidism, the unsuspected illness! I think at

that time, he used "Armour" thyroid, BUT Armours formulation has been

changed since then and is much less effective than it was then!! We

wouldn't want to make something that worked real good would we? Well

anyway..tell me what you think! One more very IMPORTANT point! When my

Girlfriend was on this for 30 years...she didn't have to take any

vitamins, herbs, drugs or anything!! She was Super healthy and Very

Active and NEVER needed to see a doctor!! To be HONEST, READ DR.

Barnes Book and It  will explain that thyroid supplementation is the

CURE for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Heart Attacks,High Cholesterol,etc.

In other words most of our problems CAN be blamed on an underactive

thyroid! And Yes PROLOID(not available in the U.S.) was indeed, the

MAGIC PILL! Now, we need to get our FDA to reinstate this medicine

here again in the U.S. The only country I can find it in is Chile! Try

getting it shipped here! Anyway, their are a ton of people out their

with thyroid problems and maybe by creating this group, we can come up

with ideas and alternatives(although herbs will not work once your

thyroid has passed the point of no return)! Thanks for listening! Dave

Campano(davecam@bbsone.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: ALT.THYROID

From: Jacquie Sellers <sellers@psyber.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 14:39:04 GMT



My son is on orthodox medication for a hyperactiver thyroid condition.

The quack says he'll have to take this stuff interminably.  

Bad solution in my mind.

Any suggestions?  



Le





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Split nails

From: YHQM07A@prodigy.com (Keith Hutner)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 18:57:23 GMT



This isn't a question of vanity,however is there somthing lacking in my 

diet.     My nails always split & peel , even when short.  Any 

suggestions?                                                              

                      Thanks.

-

  Sta HUTNER  YHQM07A@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Split nails

From: jessicar@blarg.net

Date: 7 Oct 1995 00:36:19 GMT



In <453u6j$ukq@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>, YHQM07A@prodigy.com (Keith Hutner) wr

ites:

>This isn't a question of vanity,however is there somthing lacking in my 

>diet.     My nails always split & peel , even when short.  Any 

>suggestions?                                                              

>                      Thanks.

>-

>  Sta HUTNER  YHQM07A@prodigy.com



Your nails sound like they're dry.  Mine do that even though they grow long

and are very strong.  Regular lotion will do but I like vitamin E oil (has to

be kept on for a long time though) or a very concentrated high end lotion.



No matter what length your nails are make sure they are snag and jagged

edge free.  If they split into the skin you might want to try using a silk

wrap.



FYI, Horsetail helps your nails grow.



Jessica

_________________________________

Jessica Rabbit, The Next Generation:



I'm not bad, I just type that way.

_________________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Split nails

From: cinetron@passport.ca (James Ruxton)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 00:16:27 -0400



YHQM07A@prodigy.com (Keith Hutner) wrote:



>

>This isn't a question of vanity,however is there 

>somthing lacking in my diet.     My nails always split 

>& peel , even when short.  Any suggestions?             

>                                                 

>                      Thanks.

>-

>  Sta HUTNER  YHQM07A@prodigy.com



Try silica, also known as horsetail. This natural herb is 

amazing, it strengthens nails, makes hair grow faster and makes 

your skin more youthful, amongst other amazing claims. I've 

just started taking it and I know others who have





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Split nails

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 08:31:52 GMT



YHQM07A@prodigy.com (Keith Hutner) wrote:

>

> This isn't a question of vanity,however is there somthing lacking in my 

> diet.     My nails always split & peel , even when short.  Any 

> suggestions?                                                              

>                       Thanks.

> -

>   Sta HUTNER  YHQM07A@prodigy.com

> 

> 

Someone else can probably recommend the proper herbs and nutrients to

you, but I can make a suggestion on it.  Don't use a nail file on them.

It leaves very tiny rough edges, even when it feels smooth.  Use a

strong scissors or clippers and learn to shape your nails neatly with 

that.  I happen to have very strong nails and only winter dryness 

combined with rought treatment can do them much harm. But 5 minutes 

with a simple emery board or file can give me a month of problems.

Not that I've tried one much since I found out about it.

 

Cyli



Once you posit infinity, the rest is easy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garlic Odor

From: secreterri@aol.com (SecreTerri)

Date: 6 Oct 1995 21:23:07 -0400



Hi, I was wondering if anyone can help.  My husband has been on this

garlic kick for several months now and it's becoming intolerable.  He eats

raw garlic every single day.  The problem is that he is starting to reek

of an incredible odor.  I told him it doesn't smell like garlic, but of

some other heavy, foul odor.  He refuses to stop taking the garlic saying

that the health benefits outweight the odor coming from him.  I can't take

it any longer!!!  Also, he will not take the garlic which is available in

tablet form, he insists on the real stuff.  Thanks for any advice given.



Terri





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Garlic Odor

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 05:32:11 GMT



In article <454kpr$spc@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

SecreTerri <secreterri@aol.com> wrote:

>Hi, I was wondering if anyone can help.  My husband has been on this

>garlic kick for several months now and it's becoming intolerable. 

>He eats raw garlic every single day.  The problem is that he is

>starting to reek of an incredible odor.  I told him it doesn't smell

>like garlic, but of some other heavy, foul odor.  He refuses to stop

>taking the garlic saying that the health benefits outweight the odor

>coming from him.  I can't take it any longer!!!  Also, he will not

>take the garlic which is available in tablet form, he insists on the

>real stuff.  Thanks for any advice given.

>

>Terri



I've never heard of a bad body odor attributed to garlic.  But each

individual is different.  You might try an appeal to his logical

curiosity if any: an experiment; discontinue the garlic temporarily

and check the smell.



Check the rest of his diet and health; might be something else

unrelated to the garlic or might be a combination working with the

garlic internally.



If I eat a lot of tahini I get a body odor that I can't smell but

some folk around me tell me it makes me smell like shit.  Literally.

Probably prevents good digestion and the byproducts get into my blood

from my gut, then release thru my skin.



An unbearable smell might be grounds for some form of separation.  :(



The only folk I know who eat a lot of garlic either have essentially

no body odor or smell to me better for the garlic.



Most body odors are due to subq bacteria munching on components of

sweat.  There's some aggressive soap that will kill the bacteria; I'm

told it's prescription only.  Check a pharmacist or 2 or 3.



I tried one of those alum stones.  Did a control experiment: rubbed

it in one armpit after all showers per instructions, never the other. 

Did this for a month.  Got someone's nose for a test instrument. 

Yuck - gag - choke.  1 royally stinking armpit, the other very mild. 

Guess which.



Deep 6 for the alum.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic Odor

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 12:45:32 GMT



ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson) wrote:

[snipped cry for help regarding body odor due to garlic intake]



>I've never heard of a bad body odor attributed to garlic.  But each

>individual is different.



Oh, yeah.  People definately start reeking if they eat a tremendous 

amount of raw garlic.  I sometimes get hit with a wall of odor if I leave 

the bedroom and come back in later!  



Your husband might be over doing it.  Ask him to cut back or take it in 

tablet form and maybe try some peppermint tablets.  Anything!  I can 

relate to what you're saying.  We really only take garlic (raw) when 

neccesary.  Like when we feel a cold coming on.  



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: secreterri@aol.com

Subject: Re: Garlic Odor

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 13:34:52 GMT



Terri:



Try to get him to visit the BeHealthy Shop on the 

internet at ....... (http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy)

I too went through the ...GARLIC thing, until I found

the Echinacea with Garlic bulb(odorless). It provides

what he is looking for without the smell. I use all of

the products you will see in the shop. He will find 

special interest in the Standing Tall men's formula if

he's concerned of his later years like I am. If I can 

help let me know. 46 and still lookin' 30 ;)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic Odor

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 07 Oct 1995 21:52:36 GMT



In message ID <4553cr$rhg@newstand.syr.edu> on 10/6/95, Dick Dawson wrote:



: I've never heard of a bad body odor attributed to garlic.



Probably because it's hard to understand what someone is saying when they are

holding their nose. You've obviously never ridden public transit.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Garlic Odor

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 08:44:26 GMT



(SecreTerri) wrote:

>

> Hi, I was wondering if anyone can help.  My husband has been on this

> garlic kick for several months now and it's becoming intolerable.



See if you can get him to also eat large amounts of parsley. It may

help lessen the garlic odour. 

 

Cyli



Once you posit infinity, the rest is easy.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fo-Ti incompatible with garlic?

From: asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova)

Date: 7 Oct 95 01:50:01 GMT



The book on Chinese herbs by Daniel Reid says that Fo-Ti (He Shou Wu) is 

incompatible with garlic or onions. 



Does anyone know what this might mean? I love garlic. If I start on Fo 

Ti, will it make garlic inefficient, or, even worse, have some 

undesirable effects?



Thanks in advance for any ideas.



Ari



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fo-Ti incompatible with garlic?

From: clemensb@pi.net (Clemens Bergenhenegouwen)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:48:08 GMT



asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:





>The book on Chinese herbs by Daniel Reid says that Fo-Ti (He Shou Wu) is 

>incompatible with garlic or onions. 



Well,they both have a cholesterol decreasing effect.

Shou Wu is for people with a deficient Yin.

And that,my friend,is a contra-indication for Garlic.



Greetings,



_________________________

Clemens Bergenhenegouwen         

email: clemensb@pi.net

The Hague / Holland

_________________________





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fo-Ti incompatible with garlic?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 15:18:48 GMT



In message ID <45qlg8$scu@neptunus.pi.net> on 10/15/95, Clemens

Bergenhenegouwen wrote:



: Well,they both have a cholesterol decreasing effect.

: Shou Wu is for people with a deficient Yin.



Deficient Liver Blood, actually. It is a Warm herb, itself contraindicated

for actual Yin deficiency (at least, neat).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Searching For Reputable Overseas Source-Clodronate/Bonefos

From: rgenis@primenet.com

Date: 7 Oct 1995 02:59:21 GMT



Hello:



I am looking to purchase Clodronate. It is also sold as Bonefos.  I

understand it is produced by  the Leiras Corporation of Finland.  Any

assistance will be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to e-mail me or call.

Sincerely,

Robert Genis



-- 

Robert Genis,President, National Gemstone Corporation             

Voice: 1-800-458-6453 or 1-520-577-6222

 WWW:   http://www.primenet.com/~rgenis/   

"You can carry enough gems on your body to set you up for life" Ian Flemning





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Siberian Mushrm Tea

From: chaugen@Direct.CA (Colleen Allen)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 03:55:34 GMT



In article <c38_9510040724@ima.infomail.com>, RICHARD.EIKENBURG@48.ima.infomail.

com (RICHARD EIKENBURG) says:

>

>  Hello, All! 

>

>

> An elderly friend of mine showed me some literature on the benefits of 

>drinking a tea made from a "Siberian" mushroom that is propagated in a 

>medium of black tea and some form of sucrose. According to the literature, 

>it seems to be good for a host of ills, but it also sounds like snake oil. 

>Does anyone have any experience/information on this? I don't want this 

>dear lady to poison herself...

>

>  Thanks,

>

>  Richard

>

Hello Richard,



I believe you are referring to Kombucha tea.  



There is a kombucha mailing list that you can subscribe to that will 

give you lots of helpful information about kombucha tea.



to get on this mailing list, send an e-mail message to:



kombucha-request@shore.net



Put the following in the body of the message:



subscribe

end



There is also a Kombucha home page on the World Wide Web,



There is a lot of information about kombucha tea on this home page.  

There is also a NEW Kombucha FAQ, that just came out and was put onto

Jim Sease's kombucha home page... This FAQ is compiled in Question and 

Answer format.  It was put onto the web site early this week.

It is the first section of a very comprehensive informational FAQ 

about kombucha tea. Other sections will be added as they are completed.



http//www.webcom.com/~sease/kombucha/info.html



Hope this information helps



Cheers, Colleen



 

> * Freddie 1.2.5 * I didn't claw my way up the food chain to eat vegetables...

>--

>|Fidonet:  RICHARD EIKENBURG 1:382/48

>|Internet: RICHARD.EIKENBURG@48.ima.infomail.com

>|

>| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: alpha-stim

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 04:57:18 GMT



Someone asked about back pain.  I just thought of a machine called

alpha-stim.  It's a very low current pulse generator about the size

of a small belt/pocket beeper.  I haven't measured its output but

I'll guess the peak pulse currents are on the order of microamps. 

Paste its 2 electrodes across the hurting area, turn it on.  The

pulses are generally too weak to feel.  It supposedly stimulates the

body to supply fetal cells to the injured area.



A friend has been using it for some years and is certified to treat

with it.  She laid it across a damaged big toe joint; big external

calcification and shredded cartilage; for maybe 15 minutes.  The

relief lasted about 6 months.



She told of a cat that had degenerative spinal arthritis; big chunk

of vertebrae gone.  Treated the cat once, the vertebrae grew back.  !

Vet confirmed on xray.



Ask around your local chiropractors, ODs, NDs, herbalists, health

stores.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



"Rule 2:  always finish the food."  - Marie





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy..Relief

From: merry.powell@warpdrv.com (Merry Powell)

Date: Sat,  7 Oct 1995 05:00:00 GMT



-=> Cyli@visi.com delivered this monologue to Re: Poison Ivy.... Preven on 10-0

-95  06:06  <=-



 Cy> From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

 Cy> Subject: Re: Poison Ivy.... Preventative?

 Cy> 

 Cy> dusty wrote:

 >

 > Some friends of mine are suffering massive poison Ivy reactions after 

 > clearing some land... 

 > In addition to any helpful soothing substances you could recommend, I 

 > wonder if anyone knows of an oil or salve that they can use the next time 

 > they clear land, to try and prevent another reaction.

 Cy> 

 Cy> Wear covering clothing in poison ivy areas. Long pants, long sleeves,

 Cy> gloves, etc.. Don't touch bare skin with anything that might have 

 Cy> touched poison ivy (e.g. Don't wipe sweat off your face with your

 Cy> gloved hand...).  Remove the clothing carefully afterward and wash it

 Cy> with care. Have a good shower in case you did get some on you. 

 Cy> 

 Cy> I've heard that if you do* get some, scratching doesn't actually 

 Cy> spread it. It just manifests first in the place most heavily touched

 Cy> by the ivy's oils.  Nearby places were more lightly touched or are

 Cy> less sensitive, so show later. Strong scratching, however, cannot be

 Cy> good for the skin so some herbal onitments or commercial itch prepar-

 Cy> ations would be adviseable. 

 Cy> 

 Cy> Burning poison ivy can spread the volatile oils into the air,

 Cy> generally misting anything downwind, so be careful of that,too.  As

 Cy> well as petting house pets that may have romped through any during

 Cy> their  travels in the woods.

 Cy> 

 Cy> I used to be immune to the stuff.  But had read that immunity can 

 Cy> vanish unpredictably, so tried to stay wary. Not wary enough, I guess.

 Cy> Finally got some during a heated game of splattball (not enough time

 Cy> to look where you're diving sometimes.) and I can assure you that

 Cy> immunity can vanish suddenly.



I empathize for your friend when I suffer from any form of allergic reaction

I use a smoothing bath. I am allergic to mosquito's and itch like crazy.

Prepare a bath to which you add 1 c apple cider vinegar, the juice of two

lemons, 10 drops of lavender essential oil and 5 drops of thyme essential oil.

I hope this relieves some of the itching for your friend.



... "Milhouse, we live in the age of cooties!"  - Bart Simpson

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: 'arctic root'

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 05:01:07 GMT



I've seen an ad for 'arctic root'.  The ad says it's aka rosenroot,

Rhodiola rosea.  They describe it as an 'adaptogen'.  They claim it's

stronger than ginseng.  Supposedly a scandinavian plant.  Anyone know

of it?  Sources, preferably whole root, not mega$ powder in gel caps?



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RFD: The Prolific Plant Register

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 09:18:23 +0100



In message <Pine.SOL.3.91.950923193210.3561B-100000@ag.arizona.edu> Leslie Basel

 wrote:



> 

> 

> RFD: The prolific plant register....



> 

> Let me just say that if this idea captures anybody's fancy, I invite

> them to run with it.  Right now I just have a dialup account, so a

> homepage is beyond me.  If this idea already exists, please let me 

> know so it can be publicized!   Note: fall/winter is probably the 

> perfect time to get started.

> 

> Leslie

> lebasil@ag.arizona.edu

> 



Sounds like a good idea to me Leslie, though with the relative user base it's

going to run a lot more effectively in the U.S. than the U.K.



I too have only a dial up connection at present but would be very keen to

use your idea in the future if the opportunity arises. please keep me posted

of any developments.



Best wishes,



-- 

Tony Halmarack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Understanding herbal medicine

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 09:36:58 +0100



Hi Herby Folks,



Please excuse my self indulgence, I feel a kind of wordy, writing urge 

coming on. Perhaps it's the latest herbal tea recipe I gleaned from this 

newsgroup, or maybe some of the flowers I've been smelling.



I've been actively interested in herbs for a long time, though seeing them 

only as a quirky alternative to mainstream medicine.

Lately though, I've been reading some extra-disturbing things about the 

pharmaceutical industry. It seems that several companies have been buying 

up genetic data that originated from publicly funded research and are 

keeping the most useful information secret, to give them a "competitive edge" 

(big profits for short).



While I'm not so naive as to be surprised by the profit motive, I don't 

ever remember it being quite so overt and clearly against the public interest.

If the mask is really coming off, then can we expect announcements that work 

on cures is being sidetracked in favour of control drugs, turning the sick into 

a herd of profitable "Milch Cows" rather than healthy individuals?



"Zantac" the acid inhibiting, anti-ulcer drug was reported as an all time, 

big profit best seller for Glaxo a couple of years ago. Being ever fashion 

conscious, I took a lot of these. Then round about the time that the chemical 

patents for "Zantac" were due to run out, reports began to surface that the 

hyper-acidity associated with stomach ulcers was due to infection by the 

bacterium Helicobactor pylori. Soon it became apparant that a sure-fire way of 

getting rid of this infection was to take high doses of a potent combination of 

metal salts and anti-biotics.



I requested this new treatment from my GP and got it. Believe me, it was not a 

pleasant experience. Though I've read about the historic treatment of 

infections like Syphilis with Mercury and it's consequent effects, I thought 

those days were long gone. I don't want to exaggerate; after all, my lower jaw 

didn't drop off and I didn't lose all my hair as was often the case with mercury

 

treatment. I do believe that when I swallowed those pills, I took a journey into

 

the realms of barbaric medicine though.



Now, comprehensive genetic data on Helicobactor pylori, also owned by 

Glaxo-Wellcome has been sold to Astra a Swedish pharmaceutical company that make

s 

anti-ulcer drugs. So, can I, the long suffering, biological chemical factory tha

t 

turns stomach acid into big profits, expect immanent retirement from the project

? 

Or am I about to come on stream using a palliative money-spinner with a 

treatment schedule that makes the run of the"Mouse Trap" seem like a one day eve

nt? 



If so, is there a herbal alternative?

-- 

Tony Halmarack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Understanding herbal medicine

From: cigolott@nbnet.nb.ca (Tom C)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 18:50:06 GMT



In message <19951007.093658.55@halmarax.halmarax.demon.co.uk> - Tony@halmarax.d

emon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) writes:

+

+Hi Herby Folks,

          +++++++++++el snippola++++++++++++++++++++

+stomach ulcers was due to infection by the 

+bacterium Helicobactor pylori. Soon it became apparant that a sure-fire way of 

+getting rid of this infection was to take high doses of a potent combination of

 

+metal salts and anti-biotics.

+

+I requested this new treatment from my GP and got it. Believe me, it was not a 

+pleasant experience. Though I've read about the historic treatment of 

+infections like Syphilis with Mercury and it's consequent effects, I thought 

+those days were long gone. I don't want to exaggerate; after all, my lower jaw 

+didn't drop off and I didn't lose all my hair as was often the case with mercur

y 

+treatment. I do believe that when I swallowed those pills, I took a journey int

o 

+the realms of barbaric medicine though.



             +++++++++++el snipola++++++++++++++



+Tony Halmarack



Tony



Me thinks the metal salt is Bismuth.....but



what kinds of symptoms did you go through ?



Regards

tom c.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Understanding herbal medicine

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:50:06 +0100



In message <45p0ou$unr@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca> Tom C wrote:



> 

> Me thinks the metal salt is Bismuth.....but



It was Bismuth. 



> what kinds of symptoms did you go through ?



Nausea, extreme fatigue,unpleasant disurbance of the senses.





-- 

Tony Halmarack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: NETCOM CANCELED !!!   HERE'S WHY ...

From: redleader1@ix.netcom.com (AfterBurner)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 12:22:30 GMT



I coulda swore I heard powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi) spew

something like:



>On Sat, 07 Oct 1995 10:43:38 GMT, lost@prozac.com wrote:

>

>>NumNutz@ix.netcom.com (NumNutz@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>>I hear ya champ!!!  You are one of very few people who KNOW HOW to use

>>>their NETCOM account.  Everyone gets their little NET"LOOSER"

>>>software and then wonder why it sucks!!!  These people should  set up

>>>a winsock TCP/IP  shell dialup and use some real client software!!!



>>You certainly hit the nail on the head with that one!!  I have no

>>complaints about my Netcom service and have not experienced the

>>problems these guys keep writing about... I think I'm getting my

>>moneys worth with Netcom! I've looked at the local service providers,

>>and they ALL SUCK!!



>              ^^^^^^^^^^employees of netcom^^^^^^^^^



Not here.  I have been using my ix account for about 6 months

now, with no problems.  However, they have said several times,

that over the last few weeks, they have been keeping the

alt.binaries heirarchy on a limited space restraint.  With

everyone going back to school for the fall, the UseNet traffic

easily doubles.  I have sent a note to support stating that the

valuable newsgroups in the alt.binaries heirarchy are important

to me, and if they continue with this restraint, I would look

around.  I rcvd a prompt message back stating that it was a

temporary thing, as they were upgrading the news servers.  



Also, if you check the MOTD, you'll see that the service went

down the other day, which may have caused it.



------

To get my attention, post:

ATTN:  >>Afterburner<<

Then watch that post for a followup.  



"...I was feelin' some feelin's you wouldn't believe.."

                                    - Nine Inch Nails

"AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHH"

                                    - Rage Against the Machine



Stop by warez-games for trade..





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: BWXF27B@prodigy.com (Larry Sharp)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 16:36:02 GMT



rick_mueller@e-mail.com (Rick Mueller) wrote:

>

>Does anyone know anything about Cat's Claw (it a plant, you know).

>

>What herbal tonics might it effectively replace?

>

>What ailments might is preclude - or even dissipate?

>

>Any real-life experiences?

>

>Thanks!

>In some clinical studies it has proved more effective than echincea or 

golden seal in stimulating the immune system, but it needs to be taken in 

gram amounts.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: rick_mueller@e-mail.com

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: Sosha Tolstoi <sosha@mail.pacificrim.net>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 20:18:57 GMT



Dear Rick,

Cat's Claw (unicaria tomentosa) has helped my son's chronic sinitus and

arthritis.  For me, it has been invaluable in repairing my immune-system.

I have ME, with gluten-intolerence.  When flu is going around, i take a 

little more, and stay healthy.



Best regards,



Sosha





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: jimp@cse-net.com (James Perozzo)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:08:21 GMT



Dear Sosha:



I am healing myself of colon cancer, metasticized to the liver.  Having 

tried the Hoxsey treatment in Mexico for 1-1/2 years without benefit, I 

medicated myself with cat's claw, 15 tablets a day, 5 w/each meal.  At 

the same time, I was gaining in meditative ability, and quit my 

high-stress job as a college instructor.  Immediately after quitting the 

job, my cancer marker level went from a gradually-increasing high of 53 

to the first lowering reading, a 47!  A month later, the CEA was down to 

44!  I expect it to continue falling in the months ahead.  Was it the 

meditation? the cat's claw? or was it the termination of the stress?  I 

don't know, but I am very happy with the results so far.  The oncologist 

have said that there is no cure, and they recommend chemotherapy, which I 

have refused for almost two years now.  The chemo would only slow my 

disease and prolong life (at what cost????)



Good luck with the cat's claw.  I continue to take it, hoping that it is 

what has caused my small "miracle."



Jim Perozzo

<jimp@cse-net.com>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: amy.williamson@delta.com (Amy Williamson)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:29:00 -0500



 James Perozzo was saying something about Re: Cat's Claw..... let's

         to ALL.



JP>meditation? the cat's claw? or was it the termination of the stress?  I

  >don't know, but I am very happy with the results so far.  The oncologist

  >have said that there is no cure, and they recommend chemotherapy, which I

  >have refused for almost two years now.  The chemo would only slow my

  >disease and prolong life (at what cost????)



Congratulations on your decision!  Positive results are sure 

encouraging.  I watched my mother die a very slow and painful death 

from terminal cancer.  She followed to the letter the chemotheropy, 

radiation etc.  Very discouraging.  



TTYL                            at 16:29 on Thu, 10-12-95

amy.williamson#delta.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: jimp@cse-net.com (James Perozzo)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:37:54 GMT



I see there is a bit of interest in my progress in recovering from 

cancer.  Well, briefly, i got colon cancer in Jan of '94, and had a 

section of the colon removed.  After the ooperation, I used a homeopathic 

(natural) approach in hopes of ridding my body of the already-metasticied 

(spreading) cancer cells.



After 20 months of the Hoxsey treatment, which is very benign, it found 

that I was among the 20% who do not respond to their tonic and diet 

regimen.  Hmmm.  Then, upon finding a rising cancer bood-test marker 

(called a CEA test,)  I opted to quit work as a college prof, because I 

was, quite naturally, preoccuppied with my health and was not giving 100% 

effort to teaching.  At the same time, I began taking a natural herb 

called cat's claw, available at health-foods stores.  I take 15 tablets a 

day, after meals.  Also doing a colon cleanse and maintaining a very 

high-veggie diet.  Lots of rest, too.  The CEA has gone from a count of 

53 to a 44 at the last test, a drop of 20% from the peak!  (

And the oncologists both said I could be "helped" by their chemotherapy, 

but certainly never cured.  Both of them "do not believe in herbs."  

(Good Grief!  What did mankind do for the last 10,000 years, before 

chemotherapy!)  Anyway, I believe that someday, when people begin to 

understand instead of blindly following their doctors, chemotherapy and 

radiation will go the way of blood-letting and the use of leaches.



Just my uneducated, but nonetheless successful, way of looking at 

"modern" medicine.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: BWXF27B@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 04:20:14 GMT



BWXF27B@prodigy.com (Larry Sharp) wrote:

>rick_mueller@e-mail.com (Rick Mueller) wrote:

>>

>>Does anyone know anything about Cat's Claw (it a plant, you know).

>>

>>What herbal tonics might it effectively replace?

>>

>>What ailments might is preclude - or even dissipate?

>>

>>Any real-life experiences?

>>

>>Thanks!



You can find lots of info on Cat's Claw at the following 

website:

http://www.bga.com/



Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cat's Claw..... let's discuss

From: htmha@usbk03.bk5001.chevron.com (Troy Hash)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 22:23:26 GMT



In article <716046302.155154365@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) write

s:

|> In message ID <45qbk4$5nr@rigel.pixi.com> on 10/14/95, Richard Jacobson wrote

:

|> 

|> : Sanitation,

|> : antibiotics, and vaccinations are probably the three most

|> : important factors accounting for longevity in the last century.

|> 

|> What a pile of shit. Sanitation, food supply, and survival of infancy. You

|> just lie cause you like the way it makes you feel.

|> 

|> Antibiotics and vaccinations! A laugh.

|> 

|> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

|> --



And of course antibiotics and vaccinations have >nothing< to do

with survival of infancy...Paul, I think you just argue because

you like the way it makes you feel.  It is clear that common sense

seldom gets in the way of your 'contributions'.  Well, actually

you are right, as usual...how can I argue that 'survival of

infancy' is not a significant factor in 'longevity'. It is perhaps

the most significant factor, followed by 'living a long time'.

But that doesn't convey a lot of useful information, now does it?

On the other hand, as usual, your post did make me laugh, and

that >is< the best medicine.  This newsgroup is the best show

on the net.  



-- 

Troy M. Hash  

!!>>>> My Opinions Do Not Reflect Those Of My Employer <<<<!!

"You'll be Absolutely Free, Only if you Want to Be..."F.Zappa



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA IS DHEA!! YAMS IS YAMS!!!!!!!!

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 18:00:29 GMT



In article <44ipvb$f56$1@mhafm.production.compuserve.com>, Art Atkins

<102617.2326@CompuServe.COM> wrote:



> Why would I buy YAMS which Claims to magically turn into DHEA. 

> PROVE IT!! Meanwhile I can still buy DHEA which IS now already 

> DHEA. Tell me Why ? There are hard working people fighting for 

> your rights to have the real thing. I eat yams almost every day 

> for the beta carotene.Don't get ripped OFF! I DO NOT SELL! DO 

> YOUR OWN RESEARCH. NO SOLICITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 



I agree with you (natch)...diosgenin (from Mexican Yams) was ONCE used

to synthesize progesterone (1940s-1960s), THEN used as a precursor to

other steroids (1951-1970s)...nowadays it's more cost-effective (cheaper)

to use lipoids and saponins from stuff like soybeans.  The changeover

occured when Mexico (observing the benefits of OPEC) decided to raise

the price of diosgenin to something more than cost-effective (cheap).

The drug manufacturers tumbled frantically about and found themselves

more "cost-effective" raw materials.



WE can no more synthesize DHEA, Acetyl-CoA, Squalene or complete steroid

hormones from diosgenin (or Mexican Yams or Wild Yam) than we can build

bones or hydroxyapatite from chewing rocks or protein from inhaling inert

nitrogen gas.  We make all that stuff from...LOW DENSITY CHOLESTEROL already

in our bloodstream or already in the liver!!!!   If we don't make enough,

it's because our metabolism doesn't WANT TO.  We need to build up metabolic

strength, improve the balance between catabolism and anabolism, feel better,

be happier, eat better, etc. etc.  WE DON'T NEED PRECURSORS!! (pant pant)



By the way, Art, the "yams" you eat are actually horticulture varieties of

sweet potatoes.  Nobody sells real yams in North America, and most yams

(Dioscorea spp.) are as edible as tree roots...and those that are never see

the marketplace...they need the expert culinary arts of rural Central 

American cooks



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

(FTP and WWW)

ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/

Southwest-School-of-Botanical-Medicine/

(WWW)

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/herbal.html

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: German Myrtle

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 1995 18:04:29 GMT



Botanical name:  myrtus communis



Does this plant have any use, other than as a very nice variegated

ornamental?  It's a nice plant, but the shop labeled it an herb while

my books have nothing on it! 

(I have it anyway, liked the looks of it!  :->)

Quite curious about this.

TIA

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Original marshmallows

From: Catherine Paulson <paulson@umbc.edu>

Date: 7 Oct 1995 18:15:46 GMT



Does anyone know how to make original the marshmallow confection from the 

root of the marshmallow (althaea officinalis) plant?  Many herb books 

mention it, but none that I have found give the recipe or a source for it.  

One book stated that it was originally french and called pate` de guimauve.  

It is made from the root of the plant and is high in sugar content as well 

as a gelatinous thickening agent.  Fall is the time to dig the roots and I 

would appreciate any info. on the recipe.  I know uses for the leaves and 

flowers if anyone is interested.                                





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Original marshmallows

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 05:37:33 GMT



On 7 Oct 1995 18:15:46 GMT, Catherine Paulson <paulson@umbc.edu>

wrote:



>Does anyone know how to make original the marshmallow confection from the 

>root of the marshmallow (althaea officinalis) plant?  Many herb books 

>mention it, but none that I have found give the recipe or a source for it.  

>One book stated that it was originally french and called pate` de guimauve.  

>It is made from the root of the plant and is high in sugar content as well 

>as a gelatinous thickening agent.  Fall is the time to dig the roots and I 

>would appreciate any info. on the recipe.  I know uses for the leaves and 

>flowers if anyone is interested.                               

>

>

If you find it, I'd like to know too.  Although this might have little

to do with your request, when I tell people that I had to make

marshmallows for a recipe one time, they ask how.  In an OLD cookbook,

I actually found a recipe but it used gelatin.  Maybe you can

experiment and replace the gelatin in this (poorly remembered, 30+

years ago) process and make it up yourself?  I'll tell you all I

remember:



I had to disolve a couple/few packets of gelatin in hot/boiling water

(I think it was very little water).  Then I had to cook up a simple

sugar syrup (2-3 cups? 1 cup?) to the "soft-ball" stage.  (Cooks that

know the exact temperature can help out here. Or it can be found in

almost any cookbook.)  Then I put the gelatin mixture (and some

vanilla) under a beater and beat the hell out of it (set to whip for

the S&M fans).  While it was beating, I slowly poured in the

soft-ball-stage sugar syrup.  In just a matter of moments, I had a

large mixing bowl filled to the brim with home-made marshmallow.

Trouble was, I left it in the mixing bowl too long, it cooled too

rapidly and I had ONE marshmallow the size of the mixing bowl.  Was

fun to pass around and break off pieces though. (I sprinkled it with

orange-drink powder in lieu of powdered-sugar to add some flavor and

keep fingers from sticking too badly.  Hey, it was a munchie attack,

you use what you have, powdered sugar was miles away at a pay-for-only

store. :)  The orignal recipe I started out to make never got

finished, but it too was eaten, sans marshmallows.



I don't see why you can't make up a very thick decoction of

"marshmallow root" and use that in place of the gelatin.  However,

this might not be what you were looking for if you still have to use

the sugar-syrup as the main ingredient.  Sometimes we have to

experiment to recover what has been lost thru time and greed.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Original marshmallows

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 21:32:15 GMT



In article <457o3e$5s1@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

   powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi) wrote:



>On 7 Oct 1995 18:15:46 GMT, Catherine Paulson <paulson@umbc.edu>

>wrote:

>>Does anyone know how to make original the marshmallow confection from the 

>>root of the marshmallow (althaea officinalis) plant?  Many herb books 

>>mention it, but none that I have found give the recipe or a source



You would be more likely to find it in a reprint of an old cookbook.



I've got one recipe for processing the roots, which should be from 

young plants (<a couple of years old?) for pharmacy use.

Dry, wash with water, chop coarsely then macerate (soak) for three hours in 

water mixed with a bit of alcohol.  Don't stir, strain without squishing.

mixed with sugar and glycerin as a throat soother.

Use about 1 gram in 10cc (or 1 oz to 10 oz)



It's a slimy mess, very similar to gum tragacanth or gum arabic.



If anyone knows the original recipe, the Society for Creative Anachronism 

would know.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to cure warts

From: llazarus@ivanhoe.com

Date: 7 Oct 1995 18:33:15 GMT



Hello -- does anyone have any information about using Chinese herbs to get rid o

f warts?  

Thanks you!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: daschan@pop.jaring.my (Diane Marie Chan)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:02:50 +0730



In article <456h5b$ifk@alterdial.UU.NET>, llazarus@ivanhoe.com wrote:



> Hello -- does anyone have any information about using Chinese herbs to

get rid of warts?  

> Thanks you!



I don't know where you live, whether in proximity to a Chinese community,

but I can share with you a sure-cure for warts, even the most stubborn.

Follow a Chinese funeral party, and watch out for the silver foil papers

which are thrown at every junction along the way to the burial grounds.

Pick up one paper, rub the silver foil on the wart and say, "Disappear,

wart!" Throw the paper over your shoulder and keep walking (do not look

back or walk back in the same direction). Pick up another paper and

repeat. Again, pick up a third paper and repeat. Then leave that place

without looking back.



Lest you think I am joking, I assure you this has worked for myself (and I

am not even Chinese) as well as for my nephews and nieces. My husband (who

is Chinese) remained skeptical and instead tried various over-the-counter

remedies, even burned the damned thing with joss sticks. The wart kept

growing back and thickening. Finally, he capitulated and tried the papers,

and the wart which had been troubling him for more than a year disappeared

within two or three days. 



You must be wondering why so many warts in one family!



Homeopathic doctors regulary prescribe Thuja.



If you happen to have Chinese medicine shops anywhere near, you could

inquire from them whether they sell a medicinal patch for warts--it eats

the tissue. But if I were you, I'd try the funeral papers!--D. Chan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 14:48:17 GMT



Warts are one of the very very few things in this word which you can 

literally wish away. If only cancer and heart disease were so easy... 

You tell the wart to go away. Doesn't really matter how you say it, it 

should pack its bags and take the midnight train. Only catch is that you 

must believe your remedy will work. And it will. Gives you a wonderful 

feeling of power! Mind over matter... knew one doctor who rubbed 

children's warts with chalk and told them wart would disappear in one 

week. Another used vit. C. Best remedy I ever heard (weirdest, anyhow...) 

had something to do with washing in a silver basin by the light of the 

first full moon of the month... and something to do with  rubbing the 

wart on the finger of a dead man taken from beneath the hangman's tree. 

Gross,  but apparently effective.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 03:17:12 GMT



>   Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> writes:

>  Warts are one of the very very few things in this word which you can 

>  literally wish away.

>  ... 

>  knew one doctor who rubbed 

>  children's warts with chalk and told them wart would disappear in one 

>  week. 

>>>>



I thought warts were caused by a virus and were cured by your body's own

immune system. I would think that possibly by stimulating the immune system

by using Echinacea, Pau d'Arco or another immune system stimulant, one's own

body might produce the type of antiviral needed to make a wart "go away".



Jose



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 12:30:47 GMT



Hmm.. yes in fact they ARE virally induced... a papilloma virus if I'm 

not mistaken. Kind of interesting to think that you can wish away a 

virus, yes? Obviously it works by causing you to somehow deliberately 

boost your own immune system. My next question is, what else could you 

rid your body of by wishing if so inclined?

Liz

jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia) wrote:

>>   Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> writes:

>>  Warts are one of the very very few things in this word which you can 

>>  literally wish away...

>I thought warts were caused by a virus and were cured by your body's own

>immune system. I would think that possibly by stimulating the immune system

>by using Echinacea, Pau d'Arco or another immune system stimulant, one's own

>body might produce the type of antiviral needed to make a wart "go away".

>

>Jose





///////





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:33:03 GMT



In message ID <daschan-1110951202500001@j4.kch2.jaring.my> on 10/10/95, Diane

Marie Chan wrote:



: Pick up one paper, rub the silver foil on the wart and say, "Disappear,

: wart!" 



God, can the human race accumulate any MORE superstitions to block the

progress of reason?



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs to cure warts

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:34:57 GMT



p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone) wrote:

>

> In message ID <daschan-1110951202500001@j4.kch2.jaring.my> on 10/10/95, Diane

> Marie Chan wrote:

> 

> : Pick up one paper, rub the silver foil on the wart and say, "Disappear,

> : wart!" 

> 

> God, can the human race accumulate any MORE superstitions to block the

> progress of reason?

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

Warts respond to a great number of "magical" cures"

Isn't the question, of an open minded scientist, "Why?"





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cinnamon???

From: ESM <76050.3252@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 00:15:37 GMT



Anyone know of any benefits or dangers associated with cinnamon consumption

in the range of 2-3 tablespoons a day with food????





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower-100621.17@compuserve.com(Kevin Jones)

From: stamperlsd@aol.com (StamperLSD)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 20:40:13 -0400



P.Incarnata grows RAPIDLY outside. It's the only species that is

recommeded for internal use since the others contain cyanide which messes

w/ your respatory enzymes(Ithink) But my problem is it is HUGE but has

only one fruit! Also the one indoors don't bloom real well the trick I

found is to let them get potbound, not overwater and lots of sun!

P."Jeanette" Blooms non stop in sun or shade and will fruit! P. Caeurlea

(m.s) blooms well indoors too. P."Incense" Grows to a huge plant then

blooms! But grows out doors well! S.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: passion flower-100621.17@compuserve.com(Kevin Jones)

From: stamperlsd@aol.com (StamperLSD)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 20:41:25 -0400



I don't think they overwinter so far north.  I usually put a lot of grass

or mulch after the 1st die down freeze





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I have a cold HELP!!

From: stamperlsd@aol.com (StamperLSD)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 20:46:30 -0400



Is there any herbs that can help me get over this dang cold??!! Please

helP!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: I have a cold HELP!!

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 7 Oct 1995 22:55:49 -0700



StamperLSD (stamperlsd@aol.com) wrote:

: Is there any herbs that can help me get over this dang cold??!! Please

: helP!



My favorites:



Vitamin C - Large doses, this is water-soluble and doesn't build up 

   dangerously in body tissues (I've seen people take it in doses as

   high as 1000mg per hour for the duration of the cold) 

Garlic capsules, preferably odorless (unless you don't mind the smell), 

   3-5 per day (an excellent antiviral agent) 

Echinacea tea (or whatever form you prefer), three cups per day or as 

   needed (good for general cold symptoms) 

Ephedra/Ma Huang tea, three or four cups per day as needed for congestion,

   but no more than perhaps eight (you probably will not need nearly this

   much)

Peppermint tea, as needed for sore throat and congestion (almost as good

   as ma huang, and tastes better, especially with honey) 



Some people I know prefer a blend of echinacea and goldenseal for colds

and flu, but I've never tried the blend myself.



Some non-herbal recommendations:

Hot shower once per day (don't worry about wet hair, as long as you keep

 warm and covered, this shouldn't be a problem, and the shower can make

 you feel clean (a definite plus!) and invigorated... especially good if

 you're feeling listless)

Long naps, and a full night's sleep (rest is important!)

Plenty of fluids, preferably water and juice

Chicken soup (I like to spike mine with Mrs. Dash (gods know what herbs are

 in that stuff, but it couldn't hurt!))

Keep warm, but not too warm, but don't let yourself get chilled either

Keep stress during your convalescence time to a minimum



Hope this helps



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: stamperlsd@aol.com

Subject: Re: I have a cold HELP!!

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:30:36 GMT



stamperlsd@aol.com (StamperLSD) wrote:

>Is there any herbs that can help me get over this dang cold??!! 

>Please help!

=====================================================

This is how I got into marketing ONE LIFE products, a cold.

A friend sent me a bottle of Echinacea original formula. I 

used it and couldn't believe my results. Right now you can 

get a (90 count) bottle free, paying only $4.00 S/H by calling

800.493.2328 ext.6743  As I found out about their other products

I used the Echinacea and Garlic for colds. I take one tablet

every two hours if I have a cold. Of course now I rarely get one

since I take 3 tablets per day.

Visit ... http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy for more information.



Sincerely, Brad 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for pro

From: bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom)

Date: Sun,  8 Oct 1995 02:06:00 GMT



SB>From: Song.Bird@382-506-1.ima.infomail.com (Song Bird)

SB>Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for prostate



SB>> From: leemc@freenet.fsu.edu (Lee McGehee)

SB>> > > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 01:34:52 GMT

SB>> >

SB>> Can anyone tell me if saw palmetto is truly effective for prostate

SB>> enlargement?  Any other sources that would help?



SB>Yep.  We used saw palmetto in combination with uva ursi and cornsilk to comb

SB>an enlarged prostate in a 50 yr. old man that had been a problem for about 6

SB>years.



SB>That and about three prostate massages spaced over 8 months or so brought th

SB>prostate back down to normal.  There had been quite a bit of pain for a long

SB>time over this and doctors didn't seem to be able to do anything.



SB>Worked for us.



        I purchased some Saw Palmetto a few days ago--how much did the

        man take (mgs) per day?



        Do you know of any place where it can be purchased

        inexpensively?



Thanks,



Bill Malcom



---

 * SLMR 2.1a * If a dog bites you 1,048,576 times, is that a megabite?:)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bill.malcom@christnet.org

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for pro

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 14:56:03 GMT



Bill,



I take 300mg/day, I was using a brand sold at GNC 

stores until I found the ONE LIFE products. I was

paying about $20.00 for the GNC am now buying the

case (12) of ONE LIFE Standing Tall at $6.67 each

plus $4.00 shipping/handling or $84.00 total. 

Phone number  800.493.2328 Ext.6743

I put a shop on the Internet to show the ONE LIFE

products at ... http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy



Hope this helps.

Sincerely, 

Brad





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for pro

From: costich@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Oliver Costich)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 06:31:19 GMT



bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom) wrote:



>SB>From: Song.Bird@382-506-1.ima.infomail.com (Song Bird)

>SB>Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for prostate

>

>SB>> From: leemc@freenet.fsu.edu (Lee McGehee)

>SB>> > > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 01:34:52 GMT

>SB>> >

>SB>> Can anyone tell me if saw palmetto is truly effective for prostate

>SB>> enlargement?  Any other sources that would help?

>

>SB>Yep.  We used saw palmetto in combination with uva ursi and cornsilk to comb

>SB>an enlarged prostate in a 50 yr. old man that had been a problem for about 6

>SB>years.

>

>SB>That and about three prostate massages spaced over 8 months or so brought th

>SB>prostate back down to normal.  There had been quite a bit of pain for a long

>SB>time over this and doctors didn't seem to be able to do anything.

>

>SB>Worked for us.

>

>        I purchased some Saw Palmetto a few days ago--how much did the

>        man take (mgs) per day?

>

>        Do you know of any place where it can be purchased

>        inexpensively?

>

>Thanks,

>

The usual dosage is 320mg/day of saw palmetto extract which is 85-90%

liposterols. If you just eat the berries, you would need 10 grams a

day. Nutrition Warehouse has very good prices on saw palmetto and

other things. This month the saw palmetto complex is $29.97 for 250.

Call 800-645-2929 and ask for a catalog.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: costich@itd.nrl.navy.mil

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto  for pro

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:56:04 GMT



We sell a product that is a Chinese Patent Formula that has helped 

thousands of men with benign prostatic hypertrophy or BPH.It is 

called Qian Lie Xian Wan or Prostrate Gland Pills and it is only $10.50 

per bottle of 90 pills, and it is a truly remarkable formula. For more 

information E-Mail us your address either to this address or east@wwa.com 



Sincerely,





Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tea tree oil

From: medusa@access2.digex.net (Claire Dechon)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 02:45:46 GMT



I just purchased my first bottle of tea tree oil and the information that 

came with it is sparse . I know this can be used in the ears,as a mouthwash 

and douche but what are the blends?  Can one also swallow the gargle for 

as a general body antiseptic?  thanks 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 08:44:02 



In article: <457e0q$amo@news4.digex.net>  medusa@access2.digex.net (Claire 

Dechon) writes:

> 

> I just purchased my first bottle of tea tree oil and the information that 

> came with it is sparse . I know this can be used in the ears,as a mouthwash 

> and douche but what are the blends?  Can one also swallow the gargle for 

> as a general body antiseptic?  thanks 

> 

> 



DO NOT TAKE TEA TREE INTERNALLY............

Not without qualified and insured persons advice......



See my web pages..  there is a link specifically for tea tree from the Guide 

page.



Graham



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: Real Name <username@teleport.com>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:00:03 GMT



You wnt to be careful with Tea Tree Oil.  It is recommended that you use 

a carrier oil ie: olive, almond, or pecan with the Tea Tree Oil.  Usually

1 drop of Tea Tree to 20 drops carrier.  As with all herbs, let your body 

be your guide, and adjust the dosage accordingly. deb@mtjeff.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: yolanda@worldaccess.nl (yolanda van nieuwkoop)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 18:39:51 GMT



medusa@access2.digex.net (Claire Dechon) wrote:



>I just purchased my first bottle of tea tree oil and the information that 

>came with it is sparse . I know this can be used in the ears,as a mouthwash 

>and douche but what are the blends?  Can one also swallow the gargle for 

>as a general body antiseptic?  thanks 



Some people use teatree (pure) against insect-bites, small sores, small wounds,

sunburn and so on, but your skin might get irritated and if so you might have to

dilute it with a basic oil, like almond.

Other uses:  

For a bath mix 3 to 5 drops with some basic oil (and with some cream) and stir

it into the bath when it is ready to get into. 

Against a sore throat you could gargle twice a day with up to 4 drops in a glass

of water. I read that you could also take 3 drops in 1/4 glas of fresh juice and

sip slowly. Another recipy against  an inflammation of the throat says you mix

2/5 bergamot, 2/5 thyme and 1/5 teetrea-oil. Mix two drops of this with a glass

of water and gargle several times a day, don't swallow.

 When you have a cold you could also take 3 drops mixed with a teaspoon of honey

several times a day. 

My book says never swallow it undiluted and never on an empty stomach and don't

use it for a longer period (more than 3 weeks) at one stretch.



We usually evaporate teatree-oil when we have a cold or feel a beginning flu.

Just a few drops in a bowl of water on a tea-light in our bedroom at  night.

Sometimes we add other essential oils like pine, thyme etc.



Hope you get many good suggestions,



Yolanda@worldaccess.nl



yoli@dds.nl





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: tina@iafrica.com

Subject: Re: Ideas for herbs for digestion.

From: kramer@netvision.net.il

Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 19:49:21 PDT



> 

> > I'm looking for advice an better combinations or additional 

herbs to help.

> > The herb has to be non-irritating due to an inflammed 

ileo-cecal valve.

 Any ideas would be appreciated:

> > Charlotte



Hello, I live in Israel.  A natural remedy which is VERY popular 

and VERY effective is either peppermint or sage.

If this does not work, contact me, there are some other things 

people use.  Another good one is verbena.

kramer@netvision.net.il





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: (German) Chamomile

From: shane@cais.com

Date: 8 Oct 1995 03:42:01 GMT



   I read when you grow/plant (German) Chamomile or any genus of Chamomile , onc

e the 

   plant blooms , you are to put the individual plants  in seperate pots. Does a

nybody know if     

   this is true?? 'Cause I planted some and it died on me. I'd also like to know

 if it grows back 

   each year, so I know what to do next spring! Thanx!!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (German) Chamomile

From: yolanda@worldaccess.nl (yolanda van nieuwkoop)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:01:52 GMT



shane@cais.com wrote:

>   I read when you grow/plant (German) Chamomile or any genus of Chamomile , on

ce the  plant blooms , 

>   you are to put the individual plants  in seperate pots. Does anybody know if

     

>   this is true?? 'Cause I planted some and it died on me. I'd also like to kno

w if it grows back  

>   each year, so I know what to do next spring! Thanx!!



I have different kinds of Chamomile growing in my garden and mine are anuals

which seed themselves very easily. I think you probably mean the Matricaria

chamomilla or the Matricaria recutita, which is an annual which prefers a firm

well-drained sandy soil and no fertelizers and lots of sun. (But I have been

growing them here on clay for 5 years and they do ok as long as we have dry

summers with plenty of sunlight)  If you whish to transplant it, I think  you

should do so when they are very small, but I have found they don't seem to like

it and I myself only thin them out at 20 cm. They won't do well in shade either.

I use this herb (flowers) as a tea with a little honey to sweeten it, whenever

I have some infection (which is hardly ever) and I am positive it really helps

me. I also like it as a tea at night.



There is an other plant which is also called Chamomile (in my country) but this

is Anthemis nobilis (= Chamaemelum nobile), which is used for stomachulcers,

headaches etc. since it soothes and relieves pains . This is a perennial, which

grows back every year in spring, also needs a well drained, rather dry soil and

no fertelizers and which you can propagate by division every three years. It

also seeds itself.





Hope to have been of some help,





Yolanda@worldaccess.nl



yoli@dds.nl



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Allergies

From: phil@gonzo.wolfe.net (phil)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 03:58:44 GMT



My wife is having an allergy attack that started about a month ago. She 

took shots 10 years ago that basically cured her till now. She would like to 

exhaust all other resources before taking the shots again because 

shots are such a pain in the ......... Does anyone have an herbal 

solution to allergies. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: phil@gonzo.wolfe.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: Gerald Galusha <jerryga@halcyon.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:36:45 GMT



I have had great succes with<A 

HREF=http://www.halcyon.co,/jerryga/beepolln.html>Bee Pollen</A>

Also you might want to check out AllerCalm in the for "your medicine 

chest" link. Just reply for more specific informationphil@gonzo.wolfe.net 

(phil) wrote:

>My wife is having an allergy attack that started about a month ago. She 

>took shots 10 years ago that basically cured her till now. She would like to 

>exhaust all other resources before taking the shots again because 

>shots are such a pain in the ......... Does anyone have an herbal 

>solution to allergies. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Allergies

From: Gerald Galusha <jerryga@halcyon.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 20:09:21 GMT



I have had exceptional results with Bee Pollen. Take a look at my article 

on: http://www.halcyon.com/jerryga/beepolln.html

For additional information just reply by E-mailphil@gonzo.wolfe.net (phil) 

wrote:

>My wife is having an allergy attack that started about a month ago. She 

>took shots 10 years ago that basically cured her till now. She would like to 

>exhaust all other resources before taking the shots again because 

>shots are such a pain in the ......... Does anyone have an herbal 

>solution to allergies. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: woody@epix.net (Soaplady)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 04:03:30 GMT



Hi I make handmade soaps, Bath & Body oil, Bath salts and more.

For a brochure please email your mailing address to woody@epix.net.

Thank you

Soaplady

COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 08:45:26 



In article: <457iii$1pj@guava.epix.net>  woody@epix.net (Soaplady) writes:

> 

> Hi I make handmade soaps, Bath & Body oil, Bath salts and more.

> For a brochure please email your mailing address to woody@epix.net.

> Thank you

> Soaplady

> COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea

> 



Also see 



http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/makesoap.html



for how to make your own soaps..



Graham



> 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 13:30:02 -0700



i beg your pardon, ms. andrea, but i contacted you by pvt. Email a coupla

months ago with a very great interest in your products...but i guess you

don't deal with ppl in oregon?  cuz i have NEVER had any reply from you.

 

thank you.



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RE: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:05:22



In article <9510091330.0IYSA00@someherb.com> poppy@someherb.com writes:

>From: poppy@someherb.com

>Subject: RE: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 13:30:02 -0700





>i beg your pardon, ms. andrea, but i contacted you by pvt. Email a coupla

>months ago with a very great interest in your products...but i guess you

>don't deal with ppl in oregon?  cuz i have NEVER had any reply from you.

> 

>thank you.





>--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--



Making your own homade soap is easy.  All you need is some lard or tallow and 

some lye, and a few instructions.  The people who sell lye can provide them.  

Or check your public library. 

 Ron



Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 08:52:34 



In article: <r-myers1.8.0015177F@uiuc.edu>  r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) 

writes:



> 

> Making your own homade soap is easy.  All you need is some lard or tallow 

and 

> some lye, and a few instructions.  The people who sell lye can provide them. 

 

> Or check your public library. 

>  Ron

> 

> Ronald Myers                              





Instructions and recipies for making soap are at 



http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant/makesoap.html



Graham



Anybody without web access can e-mail me and I can send them a text version.



If there are a lot of requests I'll post them 



G.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: woody@epix.net (Soaplady)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 14:41:16 GMT



In article <287395156wnr@fragrant.demon.co.uk>, Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant

.demon.co.uk> says:

>

>In article: <r-myers1.8.0015177F@uiuc.edu>  r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) 

>writes:

>

>> 

In response to my ad and your follow up article I like to say....

Great, I myself have no problem sharing with anyone who is interested in

making soap.  

I have been making soap since I was a little girl growing up in germany.

There is enough room for more soapmakers, as a matter of fact I talk daily

with soapmakers who also make soap and sell it,and new people interested in

learning how to make soap. 

Soapmaking can be lots of fun, but there are basics that everyone should

know. Never interchange fats in soap recipes. Here is an example why its

not a good idea. If you substitute olive oil for coconut oil

1 gal of coonut oil may need 15 oz of lye and 1 gal of oliveoil needs only 

10 oz of lye if you don't know to adjust the lye you will have 5 oz of 

excess lye in your soap, that could be very harmful.



I put my ad in this group because all my products are 100 % natural and 

totally chemically free and lots of people from this group have responded

and even ordered from me.Should anyone have questions about my products or 

about soapmaking in general please email me at woody@epix.net

Take care

Soaplady 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: RE: Do you like homemade Soaps, but don't have time to make them?

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:16:47 -0400



I agree! Making wonderful soap at home is easy and FUN too!



Soapmaking-books available

are:

"Soap: Making It, Enjoying It" by Ann Bramson (Storey 1-800-441-5700)

"The Art of Soapmaking" by Merilyn Mohr (Firefly Books, P O Bx 1338,

Ellicott

Sta., Buffalo NY 14205)

"Soap Recipes" by Elaine C. White (Valley Hills Press 1--800-323-7102)

"The Natural Soap Book" by Susan Miller Cavitch (Storey 1-800-441-5700)

"The Soap Book" by Sandy Maine (Interweave Press 1-800-645-3675)





Elaine C. White

C/O Valley Hills Press

1864 Ridgeland Drive

Starkville MS 39759 USA

Telephone: 601-323-7100



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aromatherapy

From: tabb@nyc.pipeline.com (Tabb/Waxman)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 01:09:59 -0400



In article <00001e21+00003b1f@msn.com>, Rinus Verpraet writes: 

 

>Hi there, 

> 

>Is there somewhere a place where the use of essential oils is discussed ? 

>I would gladly participate in that. 

> 

>Thanks, 

> 

>Rinus 

> 

 

There is a newsgroup: alt.aromatherapy, and there is also a mailing list.

The mailing list address should be listed somewhere on this newsgroup. I

saw it here once. 

wendy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chronic cough

From: c_marschner@cc.colorado.edu

Date: 8 Oct 1995 06:48:40 GMT



Hi, everyone - I was wondering if you could give me some advice. My mother has

had a chronic cough for 22 years now, and has been going to doctors for it for

almost that long.  She's gotten up to 11 different medications, and they *don't

help*.  The only thing that will suppress her cough is codine, and that dulls

her thinking abilities.

        So the question:  Does anyone have any advice on something to either

supress her cough with less side effects, or, better yet, something to actually

help cure the cough?  I'd really appreciate any help anyone could give.  Thank

you - 

                                                -wolfling





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic cough

From: karenk@netcom.com (Karen Kay)

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:04:08 GMT



c_marschner@cc.colorado.edu wrote:

:       So the question:  Does anyone have any advice on something to either

: supress her cough with less side effects, or, better yet, something to actuall

y

: help cure the cough?  I'd really appreciate any help anyone could give.  Thank

: you - 



Sleeping w/ a vaporizer always helps me. 



Karen

  karenk@netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: chronic cough

From: Randy_Pierce@RedwoodFN.org (Randy Pierce)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 21:35:07 GMT



Wolfing asks>>So the question:  Does anyone have any advice on something to

either

supress her cough with less side effects, or, better yet, something to

actually

help cure the cough?  I'd really appreciate any help anyone could give. 

Thank

you - 



The cough mechanism is reinforced by the condition of the diaphragm and

abdomin region muscles and their fascial wrappings and connections. A good

deep reflex therapuetic massage that addresses those areas will help her to

control the cough impulse. When a coughing spell comes on, take the time to

lengthen and relax the diaphragm and stomach muscles, and other muscles that

pass through the abdomin area, especially the muscles on the sides that reach

from the thighs up to the sides of the ribs and the diaphragm up under the

bottom rib. When all this region is as stretched and relaxed as can be done

without forcing the stretch, the coughing should be lessened.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chronic cough

From: c_marschner@cc.colorado.edu

Date: 18 Oct 1995 06:46:50 GMT



I wanted to thank everyone who responded so thoughtfully to my request for

information on above subject.  I forwarded it all to my father, who gave it all

to my mother, who is currently grumbling a lot, but will hopefully take all the

excellent advice.  Again, thank you for your time:

                                sincerely,

                                                -wolfling

                                                Carri Marschner





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort/How to store

From: schatzic@aol.com (SchatziC)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 04:25:52 -0400



Can anyone tell me how to store the extract for St. John's Wort?  I use

the drop effectively for depression and it works like a charm.  Also what

is the shelf life on extracts AFTER they are opened.  St. John's Wort

seems to get a little "gummy" as I get toward the end of the bottle.  You

can E-Mail me.  Thanks!! SchatziC





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: herbal cockroach controls

From: tommyg@netvoyage.net (Tommy g)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 10:50:36 GMT



I heard a simple one many 

years ago that works for 

most kitchen 

infestations:  the 

peelings from CUCUMBERS.  

Strange, and it works.  

Plus a healthy addition to 

a healthy salad diet.  

Peel the skin with 

'potato peeler' and toss 

behind the objects that 

are under the sink and 

in the higher shevles 

where flour and grain 

products exits.  Never 

again any bugs and creepy 

things in these areas.  

And no chemicals.  

TRY it...Strange As I 

said.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: herbal cockroach controls

From: herbalmuse@aol.com (HerbalMuse)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 19:49:23 -0400



I heard a simple one many 

years ago that works for 

most kitchen 

infestations:  the 

peelings from CUCUMBERS.  

Strange, and it works.  

Plus a healthy addition to 

a healthy salad diet.  

Peel the skin with 

'potato peeler' and toss 

behind the objects that 

are under the sink and 

in the higher shevles 

where flour and grain 

products exits.  Never 

again any bugs and creepy 

things in these areas.  



If this works...I'll eat my kitchen sink!  Forgive me..I really don't mean

to be rude, but I can't imagine a creature that could survive a nuclear

blast, or live without a head for 14 days, being "shoo 'd" off by a

cucumber peel!  You want an answer to ridding your house of cockroaches? 

Call The Exterminator, leave home for a few days, and say a lengthy

prayer.  You WILL survive the experience, and hopefully your little

critters won't!  These aren't the kind of things you can pick up and

gently put outside instead of squashing with a newspaper!  They'll be back

before you can close the door!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu (Robert George Audet)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:08:31 -0500



In article <466o63$hf0@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, herbalmuse@aol.com

(HerbalMuse) wrote:



> I heard a simple one many 

> years ago that works for 

> most kitchen 

> infestations:  the 

> peelings from CUCUMBERS.  

> Strange, and it works.  .....

 

> You want an answer to ridding your house of cockroaches? 

> Call The Exterminator, leave home for a few days, and say a lengthy

> prayer.  You WILL survive the experience, and hopefully your little

> critters won't!  These aren't the kind of things you can pick up and

> gently put outside instead of squashing with a newspaper!  They'll be back

> before you can close the door!



    I hear where you are coming from about the cockroach extermination

approach, but I want to put in a word for the environemnt and Nature. Many

of the current problems with insect infestations are due to our wanton use

of chemical "exterminants". By definition, these are products that kill or

exterminate the offending parties. Two problems here.



        1.  These products are quite toxic to our bodies even though they 

            don't kill us right away.......

        2.  Nature has an uncanny wisdom of developing ways to render the 

            toxin(s) harmless for a select few of these little creatures,

            leaving them free to propagate the resistant species in those

            previously deadly environments.



    Take home message. We are quickly creating a situation where we are

poisoning our world and ourselves (our species and the whole food chain)

in an attempt to rid ourselves of the very insects (and weeds and rodents

and ...) that are adapting to and surviving in the face of these poisons.

    I urge each of you to take a look at the various SAFE alternatives to

the toxic anythings that show up here and in our daily lives. There is so

much wisdom already on the planet when it comes to safe and effective

treatments for "pests". Let's all make a conscious effort to try them

before judging, then reporting our successes or failures to others. Let

the information take its due course and educate as many as it possibly

can. Thanks.





Peace,



Robert



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: herbalmuse@aol.com (HerbalMuse)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 11:59:45 -0400



In article <rgaudet-1910952208310001@f182-072.net.wisc.edu>,

rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu (Robert George Audet) writes:



>> I heard a simple one many 

>> years ago that works for 

>> most kitchen 

>> infestations:  the 

>> peelings from CUCUMBERS.  

>> Strange, and it works.  .....

> 

>> You want an answer to ridding your house of cockroaches? 

>> Call The Exterminator, leave home for a few days, and say a lengthy

>> prayer.  You WILL survive the experience, and hopefully your little

>> critters won't!  These aren't the kind of things you can pick up and

>> gently put outside instead of squashing with a newspaper!  They'll be

back

>> before you can close the door!

>



rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu wrote: 



>    I hear where you are coming from about the cockroach extermination

>approach, but I want to put in a word for the environemnt and Nature.

Many

>of the current problems with insect infestations are due to our wanton

use

>of chemical "exterminants". By definition, these are products that kill

or

>exterminate the offending parties.



You're absolutley right of course.  Normally, I wouldn't think of an

exterminating service as a solution.  I've written a few articles, and a

booklet on herbal cleaning formulas, and make an effort to use non-toxic

formulas for nearly everything around the house (including those for pets)

and encourage others to do the same.  But, I have to tell you, I had a

house infested with cockroaches once...they are menacing, and prolific,

beyond belief.  I moved.  I sterilized every shred of clothing and

material before packing and said goodbye.



There was another time when I didn't feel there was an effective natural

deterrent to pests.  Our previous home was invaded by carpenter ants, (we

discovered this right after moving in), and they were detroying the

woodwork and foundation at a very rapid rate. Could I let them destroy the

house while searching for an effective herbal treatment?  Of course not. 

They had to be elimated immediately, and at the very source to prevent

their return. You're talking with a person who dislikes killing

bugs...they have their place. And if I can't live with them in the same

pace, I'd rather remove them from my home and drop them off at an outdoor

site.  But we're not talking about a few spiders,or silverfish.  And, in

this case, relocating them was virtually impossible.  When the entrance

route from the nest (which was a nearby tree) to the house (which was a

wooden door between the kitchen and dining room) was located and sprayed,

they poured out literally by the thousands!



You bring up an interesting point however. When I asked the exterminators

exactly what is was they were using, I was given a manual describing the

chemicals used.  It was pretty scary, and we weren't too happy about it. 

And, these companies will try to convince you they must return for

repeated applications for extended periods.  I insisted they only repeat

the application once after the intial extermination. I'm confident that

once an infestation is under control, there are safe and natural methods

to prevent their return.  But what about the big jobs such as the

situations I mentioned above?  Placing a cucumber peel beneath the kitchen

sink is not going to turn away 100,000 carpenter ants!  But, it would be

interesting (and productive) to invite the many professionals of different

genres that belong to this group to discuss the viability of safe,

effective formulas.  So, let's turn to the scientists, botanists, and

engineers in this group:  Is is possible to develop a formula powerful

enough to eliminate/control serious infestations without adversly

effecting our health and environment?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:03:25 GMT



In article <46ge5h$kba@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   herbalmuse@aol.com (HerbalMuse) wrote:



>Is is possible to develop a formula powerful

>enough to eliminate/control serious infestations without adversly

>effecting our health and environment?



I doubt it, unless you can develop a very specific agent that

attacke shte reproductive system of the insects.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 13:19:39 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

<snip>

>I doubt it, unless you can develop a very specific agent that

>attacke shte reproductive system of the insects.

>

>Callie

<snip>

 Callie-- there IS such a product on the market-- goes along with the 

roach motels that they sell-- egg capsules. Contains some kind of 

chemical which interrupts the reproductive cycle-- they become infertile, 

they die off. I'm not sure of the toxicity of this chemical-- you're not 

supposed to place the capsule where your dog can eat it. But it does seem 

to work at least as well as anything else does on roaches...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:33 GMT



In article <46ip5b$a3o@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,

   Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:



>callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

><snip>

>>I doubt it, unless you can develop a very specific agent that

>>attacke shte reproductive system of the insects.

>>

>>Callie

><snip>

> Callie-- there IS such a product Contains some kind of 

>chemical which interrupts the reproductive cycle-- they become infertile, 

>they die off.



Yes, forgot aobut that one.  thanks.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal cockroach controls

From: Charlotte.M.Weiss@jpl.nasa.gov (Charsky)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:03:00 GMT





>I heard a simple one many 

>years ago that works for 

>most kitchen 

>infestations:  the 

>peelings from CUCUMBERS.  

>Strange, and it works.  

>Plus a healthy addition to 

>a healthy salad diet.  

>Peel the skin with 

>'potato peeler' and toss 

>behind the objects that 

>are under the sink and 

>in the higher shevles 

>where flour and grain 

>products exits.  Never 

>again any bugs and creepy 

>things in these areas.  



>If this works...I'll eat my kitchen sink!  Forgive me..I really don't mean

>to be rude, but I can't imagine a creature that could survive a nuclear

>blast, or live without a head for 14 days, being "shoo 'd" off by a

>cucumber peel!  You want an answer to ridding your house of cockroaches? 

>Call The Exterminator, leave home for a few days, and say a lengthy

>prayer.  You WILL survive the experience, and hopefully your little

>critters won't!  These aren't the kind of things you can pick up and

>gently put outside instead of squashing with a newspaper!  They'll be back

>before you can close the door!



Get a Gecko, they like to dine on the little buggers.



Also Boric Acid works very well if you don't want a gecko.



Charlotte



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: KUDZU and alcoholism

From: tommyg@netvoyage.net (Tommy g)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 10:52:20 GMT



Are there any national 

sources for KUDZU root 

that has reported success 

in minimizing urge to 

consume alcohol?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: KUDZU and alcoholism

From: hrbs4hlth@aol.com (HRBS4HLTH)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 22:40:37 -0400



Hi Tommy!  Nature's Sunshine has a new product called Kudzu/St. John's

Wort.  It's a really effective combination, and NSP products are strictly

organic.  If you can't find a local supplier let me know and I can mail

order to you.



Sheila Weissman

Herbs For Health, 994 East Sahara, Las Vegas, NV 89104  (702) 732-9270





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: KUDZU and alcoholism

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 09 Oct 1995 04:33:24 GMT



In message ID <45a235$n40@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/8/95, HRBS4HLTH wrote:



: Hi Tommy!  Nature's Sunshine has a new product called Kudzu/St. John's

: Wort.  It's a really effective combination, and NSP products are strictly

: organic.  If you can't find a local supplier let me know and I can mail

: order to you.



Kudzu blocks alcohol dehydrogenase, which is the enzyme that DETOXIFIES

alcohol. In other words, kudzu TOXIFIES your body if you drink alcohol while

the chemical that causes this liver malfunction is in your bloodstream. 



If you want to do chemical aversion therapy, this is a good route--even,

perhaps, 'a really effective combination.' But making your liver work less

well is not particularly to your advantage, imho.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: KUDZU and alcoholism

From: dnoche@wco.com (Carol Taylor)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:22:06 GMT



Anybody here live where kudzu grows (expands, takes over, envelopes)?  The 

stuff will drive you to drink, which is what I thought this thread was 

originally about.  It's *scary*!



CT





Paul Iannone (p_iannone@pop.com) wrote:

: In message ID <45a235$n40@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/8/95, HRBS4HLTH wrote:



: : Hi Tommy!  Nature's Sunshine has a new product called Kudzu/St. John's

: : Wort.  It's a really effective combination, and NSP products are strictly

: : organic.  If you can't find a local supplier let me know and I can mail

: : order to you.



: Kudzu blocks alcohol dehydrogenase, which is the enzyme that DETOXIFIES

: alcohol. In other words, kudzu TOXIFIES your body if you drink alcohol while

: the chemical that causes this liver malfunction is in your bloodstream. 



: If you want to do chemical aversion therapy, this is a good route--even,

: perhaps, 'a really effective combination.' But making your liver work less

: well is not particularly to your advantage, imho.



: --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

: --



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New News on Stevia - Ban Lifted!

From: kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 08:18:46 -0400



In September the FDA finally lifted the import ban on stevia but it must

be imported as a dietary supplement.  The FDA reiterarated it's stand that

stevia used as a sweetener is an unapproved food additive and therefore

illegal.  As long as stevia is not labeled for food use but rather for use

as a dietarty supplement or an ingredient in a dietary supplement and no

sweetening claim are made, it can now be sold.



What this means is that stevia should become available again soon and at

reasonable prices.  I occasionally see sources for stevia in this

newsgroup and the prices are outrageous as compared to what they were 3

years ago before the import ban.  I guess it has to do with smuggling

overhead and supply and demand. This should be remedied as large

quanitites are imported and flood the market.



So, we have won part of the battle.  Even though stevia can't be labeled

as a sweetener, at least we can get it again and there is a lot of

information available elsewhere on how to use it, such as independantly

published cookbooks. 



 Meanwhile the herb industry is continuing its fight to get the FDA to

allow stevia's use as a sweetener - so maybe in another 3 years...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Parasites.

From: jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 08:49:57 -0400



Hi!  I spent a few days in Mexico - 2 weeks ago and brought home some

unwanted guests!  I am trying not to go the antibiotic route so I am

taking the following herbs- wormwood, cat's claw, black walnut, eating

lots of garlic, ginger-camomile-senna tea, eating pumpkin seeds,

grapefruit seed extract.

So does anyone have any other suggestions?   I appreciate all who

responded the last time I posted - that is how I found out about alot of

the above herbs.  I seem to be improving, but want to make sure there is

nothing out there that I am missing. Thanks in advance. Jill

Jsananda@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jsananda@aol.com

Subject: Re: Parasites.

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 15:57:51 GMT



Jill,



You are right on the money, also check out Echinacea

and Proanthocyanidins (pycnogenol). Visit BeHealthy

at ... http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy ... hope you

are feeling better soon.



Sincerely,

Brad



P.S. Take special note of the DHEA and MELATONIN 

products in the shop. "The Melatonin Miracle" is 

must reading for women. (IMHO)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Parasites.

From: poppy@someherb.com

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 13:30:05 -0700



i would like to know how came by you the grapefruit seed extract? when i ask

locally at (ahem) "nutritonal shoppes" i get such a long look from the

proprietors that i fairly feel at sea, myself.  

 

so, i would appreciate ANY guidance as to where i might specifically look for

that extract...i live in central western oregon.

 

thank you.

 

poppy@someherb.com



--==~^~remember..only god can make a tree~^~==--





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: Parasites.

From: jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 04:29:42 -0400



To get grapefruit seed extract you can call Nutribiotics at (707)

263-0411. That is the phone # on the back of the bottle.  I just read a

good book on parasites as well called Guess What Came to Dinner?  It also

recommends grapefruit seed extract as well as pomagranite juice.  

Best regards - Jsananda@aol.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites.

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 04:09:05 GMT



In article <458hdl$58a@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   jsananda@aol.com (Jsananda) wrote:



>Hi!  I spent a few days in Mexico - 2 weeks ago and brought home some

>unwanted guests!

How do you know what you have?  What works for bacteria doesn't 

work for parasites.  And what works on amoebas doesn't work for

tapeworms and ascarids.  Have you had lab tests to verify?

  From the elapsed time, I doubt that you have parasites ... amoebas 

and other critters take a few weeks to produce symptoms unless you do 

something REALLY stupid like drink out of an irrigation ditch, and you

posted within days of your return.

  So it probably was a virus or bacteria, and taking the list of stuff

you are taking isn't going to do much to get rid of them.



>wormwood, cat's claw, black walnut, lots of garlic, 

>ginger-camomile-senna tea, eating pumpkin seeds, grapefruit seed extract.

Wormwood, senna and pumpkin seeds (which have to be RAW to work, and 

only work on worms) are laxative, verging on purgatives.  You might be 

causing the symptoms to continue by taking too many laxatives.



>So does anyone have any other suggestions?   

STOP all herbs intended to kill "parasites" and give your digestion

a chance to heal.  Eat lightly, drink plenty of fluids, 

and lay off the fiber for a while.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites.

From: gprell@earthlink.net (George Prell)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 15:49:26 GMT



In article <458hdl$58a@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jsananda@aol.com says...

>

>Hi!  I spent a few days in Mexico - 2 weeks ago and brought home some

>unwanted guests!  I am trying not to go the antibiotic route so I am

>taking the following herbs- wormwood, cat's claw, black walnut, eating

>lots of garlic, ginger-camomile-senna tea, eating pumpkin seeds,

>grapefruit seed extract.

>So does anyone have any other suggestions?   I appreciate all who

>responded the last time I posted - that is how I found out about alot of

>the above herbs.  I seem to be improving, but want to make sure there is

>nothing out there that I am missing. Thanks in advance. Jill

>Jsananda@aol.com



Jill - You should also use freshly ground cloves to kill the parasite eggs.  Che

ck 

out one of the "Cure" books by Dr. Hulda Clark for details.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Parasites.

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 14:51:45 GMT



Hi,



I think that sometimes Dr. Clark has caused more harm

than good! There are 4 classifications of parasites, 

within those there are 3200 deferent kinds. The herbs in her

program do not kill all of the potential parasites one can host. 



My feelings are how can you kill something, (provided you 

have a parasite) if you don't know what you are trying to kill. 



All herbs that kill parasites are poison to the liver, so why poison 

the liver un-necessarily. My approach is to do a stool test to find 

out what you have then use the appropriate modality for the condition.



NOT ALL LABS are the same, my experience is that most labs

don't know how to test for parasites. I work with a world famous

parasitetoloqyst, who is very good at finding parasites. 



If any one is interested in more information on how they can

get a stool test or any other information on parasites contact me 

at...docgreen@magicchain.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cost & Self Treatment

From: seacher@ix.netcom.com (James)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 16:19:01 GMT



I will first post the following:

  The ESSIAC formula : 6 & 1/2  cups of Burdock Root (cut)

                         16 ounces     of Sheep Sorrel herb (powder)

                         1  ounce      of Turkey Rhubarb Root (powder)

                         4  ounces     of Slippery Elm Bark (powder)



    ------------------------------------------------------------------



    Preparation of ESSIAC herbal tea :



          1)    Measure  out  8  ounces  of the Essiac  mix  (the  dry

                formula above)



          2)    Place  two  gallons  of distilled water in a stainless

                steel kettle.



          3)    Bring the water to a  brisk  boiling  point  (about 30

                minutes)



          4)    Put ESSIAC dry mix into the boiling  water,  stir  and

                boil hard for about 10 minutes



          5)    Allow to sit and cool slowly for six hours.



          6)    After  six  hours, stir it thoroughly with a wooden or

                stainless tool



          7)    Let it sit for another six hours



          8)    Return kettle to stove and bring to a boil



          9)    When  the  boiling point is reached, turn off the heat

                and pour the contents  through  a  stainless  strainer

                into a second stainless kettle



         10)    Clean the first kettle thoroughly



         11)    Strain the contents a second time from  pot two to pot

                one



         12)    Bottle  the  herbal  tea  immediately  into dark amber

                bottles and seal it while still hot



                     (*** Dark amber bottles may be purchased

                     from most any drug store or pharmacy ***)



         13)    Store in refrigerator



    ------------------------------------------------------------------



    Directions for use of ESSIAC



            Heat two ounces (four tablespoons)  distilled  water, then

            mix it with two ounces of ESSIAC tea taken  directly  from

            the refrigerator.



            ESSIAC should be taken at bed time on an empty stomach, at

            least two hours after eating.



            It can  be  taken  in the morning on an empty stomach.  If

            taken in the morning, do  not  eat  for at least two hours

            after taking the ESSIAC.



            Keep the ESSIAC refrigerated at all times.



            Shake well each time before pouring.



    ------------------------------------------------------------------

The following is used with permission from IBIS - the Interacive

BodyMind

Information System.



* formula: Hoxsey-like: a constitutional cleansing and cancer support

formula.



  Glycyrrhiza glabra, 12 g.

  Trifolium pratense, 12 g.

  Arctium lappa, 6 g.

  Stillingia sylvatica (toxic), 6 g.

  Berberis aquifolium, 6 g.

  Phytolacca decandra (toxic), 6 g.

  Rhamnus purshiana, 3 g.

  Rhamnus frangula (toxic), 3 g.

  Xanthoxylum americanum, 3 g.



Combine the dry herbs, place in 3 cups of water and simmer for 10-15

minutes. Cool, strain and store in a dark glass jar.

sig: use 2-4 tbsp. tea in a third cup water adding 1-2 drops of

saturated

potassium iodide and 5-11 drops strong iodine (Lugol's) solution.  Take

q.i.d., p.c. and before bed.  (NCNM Pharmacy)



(You can get more info on IBIS from ibis@teleport.com.

=======================================================================



I am looking for a group or data that will inform a person how to use

the herbs and in what strengths and then most of all where to get them.



The Last Chance Clinic to date has been the best I have found ...

However, all the warnings say, "The recommendations contained in this

report may cause adverse reactions in some people .... before following

these medically unproven ideas, please check with your own medical

doctor. If you feel you must self-medicate, proceed with extreme

caution ..."



Heck if my own medical doctor knew the first thing about this they

would not be my own medical doctor, correct? What kind of warning is

that? 



Any way - does anyone know of how to use ozone or H2O2, IV's by

themselves? 



Thanks Jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: How to measure out herbs

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 18:01:14 GMT



I would like to know if there is a way to measure out five grams with out 

a scale and if not where do I find a scale with low enough settings that 

is not too expensive.  By the way I am in Canada so please if possiable 

make it a Canadian store.



Thanks



Gale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: How to measure out herbs

From: powaq@ix.netcom.com (Powaqqatsi)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 10:29:13 GMT



On 8 Oct 1995 18:01:14 GMT, aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

wrote:



>I would like to know if there is a way to measure out five grams with out 

>a scale and if not where do I find a scale with low enough settings that 

>is not too expensive.  By the way I am in Canada so please if possiable 

>make it a Canadian store.

>

>Thanks

>

>Gale

>

I just did a quick measure of some "common?" coins (check your

Canadian, kitchen-junk-drawers please :) and found that:



1 penny (u.s.) = aprox . 3.1 grams  (was a little under that)

1 nickel (u.s.) = aprox    5.0 grams (was really close)

1 dime  (u.s.) = aprox    2.3 grams (give or take a few hundredths)

1 quarter (u.s.) = aprox 5.5 grams (close enough, didn't wait for pan

to settle much)



Now, if you look in almost any kid's science experiments book or other

do-it-yourself lab books (generally geared toward the younger crowd)

you will find instructions on how to make a VERY accurate balance out

of a coat-hanger, a cork and 2 needles or pins (points of used as the

fulcrum, maybe I can be convinced to describe how to make it).  Using

these common coins as weights it would be pretty easy for you to come

up with as near to the mass you need by putting some of each in either

or both balance-pans. I did it this way for years and years. If you

want, I could go back and measure an average of coins of each

denomination and give you an AVERAGE down to the 10th of a milligram.

But due to wear and tear, soil, and patina on coins ... I don't think

any coins should be used with more accuracy than to the unit of 1 gram

(maybe to 0.5 grams).  For a measure to the gram though, they can be

used just fine.  (imho)



Another good source of a somewhat accurate balance is the Post Office

(not sure about up in Canada tho).  They sell little pocket scales

(that hang off a ring on your finger with a swinging-wire weight

indicator).  These can generally be used safely to measure within 2-3

grams accuracy .  If you are going to be measuring herbs on a regular

basis, I'd suggest you DO invest in a lab balance, the cheapest I've

found with any resemblance to accuracy is one from Ohaus @~$130-140,

(u.s. currency) their "Centagram" measures to 311 grams with an

"advertised accuracy" of 1/100th of a gram, but in use I found that

measures to only 1/10th of a gram are useful with it.  If you are

lucky, you might even be able to find a used analytical balance like I

did for $125.  Took some work to get it going (more like rebuild from

inside out), but it's accurate to 1/10th of a milligram now (would

love to get the weights recertified tho would cost me way more than I

paid for it).  When I called the company that makes it, I found out it

was worth well over $3000 new.  Knowledge and tools are not cheap.

You sometimes even have to sacrifice morals to get them.

 :)  Not that I ever did..... :)



And if you missed my post about American Scientific and Surplus,

here's their address and phone number again (have plenty of pocket and

lab scales, but are not usually surplus items so expect to pay a

little below store prices). Hmmm....  The only "pocket" scale I see in

this month's edition is electronic, sells for $125 (u.s.) and is

accurate to 0.1 gram.  They have a few analytic lab balances (used)

for around $750.  On occasion they have a whole slew of pocket scales

(as low as $40-50), I don't notice any in this editition tho.  Maybe

the next one (in 2 months).  Call and ask them.



Amercian Scientific and Surplus

3605 Howard Street

Skokie, Illiniois 60076

phone orders: 708-982-0870

  fax orders: 800-934-0722



(more than you asked for and less than your request :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: How to measure out herbs

From: gravel@serv.net (malcolm Brand)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:36:41 GMT



In article <4593la$dli@tribune.usask.ca>, aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca 

says...

>

>I would like to know if there is a way to measure out five grams with 

out 

>a scale and if not where do I find a scale with low enough settings that 

>is not too expensive.  By the way I am in Canada so please if possiable 

>make it a Canadian store.

>

>Thanks

>

>Gale

>

I don't know of anyway to do it without a scale but I bought a scale at a 

smoke shop here in Seattle for about $10-$15 and it measures as low as 

one gram. Most smoke shops will carry some sort of scale. The best smoke 

shops are the ones that are near universities that sell bongs, pipes, 

hookas and other smoking products.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rose Hips

From: gravel@serv.net (malcolm Brand)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 18:13:35 GMT



I've been wondering what amount of Rose Hips should be taken to be 

equivalent to 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C that you would by in a store.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rose Hips

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 15:16:17 GMT



In article <4594cf$kdk@brockman.serv.net>, gravel@serv.net says...

>

>I've been wondering what amount of Rose Hips should be taken to be 

>equivalent to 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C that you would by in a store.



... from Die Grosse GU Naehrwert Tabelle, on rosehips (Hagebutte):



100 g raw rose hips contains 1250 mg vit.C

100 g rose hip 'meat' and skin contains 1500 mg vit.C

100 g rose hip jelly contains 51 mg vit.C



So you'd best eat it raw (but it's rather sour).



HeK



--

Henriette Kress        HeK@hetta.pp.fi

          Helsinki, Finland.

    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Rose Hips

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 09:40:26 GMT



HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:

>

> In article <4594cf$kdk@brockman.serv.net>, gravel@serv.net says...

> >

> >I've been wondering what amount of Rose Hips should be taken to be 

> >equivalent to 500 mg tablet of Vitamin C that you would by in a store.

> 

> .... from Die Grosse GU Naehrwert Tabelle, on rosehips (Hagebutte):

> 

> 100 g raw rose hips contains 1250 mg vit.C

> 100 g rose hip 'meat' and skin contains 1500 mg vit.C

> 100 g rose hip jelly contains 51 mg vit.C

> 

> So you'd best eat it raw (but it's rather sour).

> 

> HeK

I eat some lovely big red hips from my "Frau Dagmar Haustrap"rose.

They taste fine the outside flesh is nice to eat the inside is very seedy.

MBTFG



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pan in a grove

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Date: 8 Oct 1995 18:47:39 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Phytosome Enhanced Herbs

From: co-q@ix.netcom.com (Jarvell Jardey)

Date: 8 Oct 1995 19:50:43 GMT



I have seen some herbal products (Grape Seed Extracts/Ginkgo Biloba) with this a

dded ingredient

"PHYTOSOME", which I am told allows for better assimulation within the body.

Can someone verifiy if this is true, or just marketing hype.

Thanks

Jardey





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Phytosome Enhanced Herbs

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 23:17:39 GMT



In article <459a2j$p4c@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,

Jarvell Jardey <co-q@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>I have seen some herbal products (Grape Seed Extracts/Ginkgo Biloba) with this 

added ingredient

>"PHYTOSOME", which I am told allows for better assimulation within the body.

>Can someone verifiy if this is true, or just marketing hype.



"phyto" = plant, "some" generally refers to a micelle.

Just taking a wild guess, I would say they are talking

about using micelles from a plant source as carriers

for the grape seed chemicals.  Soy lecithin could be

used to make the micelles.



I've heard that micelles are more easily absorbed,

but I haven't looked at the scientific literature to

see if that's really true or not.  It's not an

implausible idea that the micelles might be more

easily absorbed, or that micellization could cause

absorption to occur in a more favorable part of

the digestive tract (e.g. where the molecules being

carried in won't be destroyed).



A micelle, by the way, is an aggregate of molecules

which present a charged surface to a surrounding

watery solution.  The individual fat droplets in

milk are micelles, for example.  The droplets don't

all just merge together because the charged surfaces

repel each other.  Soapy water is also full of micelles,

which give it an appearance similar to diluted milk.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Warning: Brussels can damage your health

From: Stuart <san@cksed.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 08 Oct 1995 19:56:04 GMT



London, 8 October 1995



*European-wide threat to nutritional supplements*



In 1992, it was revealed that the European Commission planned to

harmonize vitamin and mineral supplements throughout the European Union.



What the proposed legislation meant would have that only very weak dose

vitamin/mineral supplements could have been sold  - higher doses would

not be available unless they were classified as medicines, a procedure

too expensive for most vitamin companies.  The Medicines Act requires

laboratory and animal testing, sometimes for two years or more before a

licence is granted, this can add at least 10,000 to the cost of making a

product.



It was predicted that 95% of higher range vitamin and mineral supplements

could disappear from shops, and two out of three health shops could close

as a result of the plans.  Even cod liver oil could be affected as it

contains more than the proposed limit for vitamin D.



Thanks, however, to a public outcry and various media campaigns the 1992

proposals were abandoned: or so we thought!  It seems the matter had just

been put on the shelf only to await another opportunity to rear its

ugly head.  According to an article in the September 1995 edition

_Nutritional Therapy Today_, it seems that yet again rumblings are being

heard on this issue.  In reply to parliamentary questions and letters to

MPs enquiring about the European Commissions plans for dietary

supplements, it transpires that not only is there to be a further attempt

to legislate in this field but that our own (British) Government has been

extremely secretive about recent developments.



Many people require larger doses of vitamins and minerals either due to

certain illnesses or because they have severe deficiencies.  Many others

take higher dose supplements to combat some of the perils of modern

living such as pollution, stress, pesticides and food additives.  These

people would suffer if this legislation was to be passed.  The Institute

of Optimum Nutrition in London has much literature and many case

histories about the positive effects of higher dose supplements.  In

addition to the people whose health will be affected, many vitamin

companies could go out of business and jobs be lost.  Britain has many

excellent small vitamin companies providing an extremely efficient mail

order service of top quality products.  These companies excel in their

field and yet this heinous piece of legislation could see businesses like

these disappear.



And what of our Government?  It seems we cannot count on them to stand by

British business or the needs of our people.  Surely a healthier nation

means a more productive workforce and shorter queues at the Doctors? 

The huge public outcry of 1992 should have been enough for the Government

to have said no to Europe on this issue once and for all, but obviously

theyve just been waiting for the noise to die down before trying to

furtively sneak this poisonous piece of legislation through once again.



UK readers wishing to complain about this attempt to limit the

availability of nutritional supplements should write to their MPs at The

House of Commons, Westminster, London SW1A 0AA.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warning: Brussels can damage your health

From: jhammell@ix.netcom.com (John Hammell)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 01:00:19 GMT



In <813182164.26968@cksed.demon.co.uk> Stuart <san@cksed.demon.co.uk> writes: 

>

>London, 8 October 1995

>

>*European-wide threat to nutritional supplements*

>

>In 1992, it was revealed that the European Commission planned to

>harmonize vitamin and mineral supplements throughout the European Union.

>

>What the proposed legislation meant would have that only very weak dose

>vitamin/mineral supplements could have been sold  - higher doses would

>not be available unless they were classified as medicines, a procedure

>too expensive for most vitamin companies.  The Medicines Act requires

>laboratory and animal testing, sometimes for two years or more before a

>licence is granted, this can add at least 10,000 to the cost of making a

>product.

>

>It was predicted that 95% of higher range vitamin and mineral supplements

>could disappear from shops, and two out of three health shops could close

>as a result of the plans.  Even cod liver oil could be affected as it

>contains more than the proposed limit for vitamin D.

>

>Thanks, however, to a public outcry and various media campaigns the 1992

>proposals were abandoned: or so we thought!  It seems the matter had just

>been put on the shelf only to await another opportunity to rear its

>ugly head.  According to an article in the September 1995 edition

>_Nutritional Therapy Today_, it seems that yet again rumblings are being

>heard on this issue.  In reply to parliamentary questions and letters to

>MPs enquiring about the European Commissions plans for dietary

>supplements, it transpires that not only is there to be a further attempt

>to legislate in this field but that our own (British) Government has been

>extremely secretive about recent developments.

>

>Many people require larger doses of vitamins and minerals either due to

>certain illnesses or because they have severe deficiencies.  Many others

>take higher dose supplements to combat some of the perils of modern

>living such as pollution, stress, pesticides and food additives.  These

>people would suffer if this legislation was to be passed.  The Institute

>of Optimum Nutrition in London has much literature and many case

>histories about the positive effects of higher dose supplements.  In

>addition to the people whose health will be affected, many vitamin

>companies could go out of business and jobs be lost.  Britain has many

>excellent small vitamin companies providing an extremely efficient mail

>order service of top quality products.  These companies excel in their

>field and yet this heinous piece of legislation could see businesses like

>these disappear.

>

>And what of our Government?  It seems we cannot count on them to stand by

>British business or the needs of our people.  Surely a healthier nation

>means a more productive workforce and shorter queues at the Doctors? 

>The huge public outcry of 1992 should have been enough for the Government

>to have said no to Europe on this issue once and for all, but obviously

>theyve just been waiting for the noise to die down before trying to

>furtively sneak this poisonous piece of legislation through once again.

>

>UK readers wishing to complain about this attempt to limit the

>availability of nutritional supplements should write to their MPs at The

>House of Commons, Westminster, London SW1A 0AA.



Thank you from the other side of the pond. This is a severe international

problem. The Globalists who are trying to shove a world government down our

throuts are doing their damndest to wipe out medical freedom and to force us to

take their toxic drugs. They also want to take over the dietary

supplement industry and change the laws so they can sell patented

"nutraceuticals" and "medical foods" at 20 times the cost of dietary

supplements, and you'd have to have a prescription- to boot. Well, I

say to hell with THAT noise, if the Globalist scum want to play

hardball, they are messing directly with ME, and I don't take kindly to

it, either. Here in the States, the UN/WHO is currently trying to shove

a piece of crap called the "Report on the Nineteenth Session of the

CCNFSU" from the Codex Committee on Nutrition and Foods for Special

Dietary Uses. We have a deadline of October 18 to get comments in to

Elizabeth Yetley, PhD, RD at the FDA. If anyone wants to make an

obscene phonecall to her, the number is 202-205-5372, FAX 202-205-5295.

I recommend mooning her. To do this, do a "pressed ham" on your copy

machine, make a print, and fax it in to the bitch!

On a serious note, I am working on putting together an international

coalition to combat the multinational scum who are trying to rob us of

our dietary supplements. I've got connections in a few countries and am

heavily tied in with the underground here in the States. We will win,

in the end... Let not the sands of time...get in your lunch!

-- 

 John Hammell, Political Coordinator, The Life Extension Foundation

            800-333-2553, 305-929-2905, 305-929-0507 FAX

jhammell@netcom.com  http://www.webcom.com/~lef/index.html

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warning: Brussels can damage your health

From: mgang@io.org

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:23:51 GMT



The sale of herbal remedies is threatened in the West, and extends

here to Canada as well.



Our rights to buy health products are in jeopardy.



Bill C7, the Controlled Substances Act, combines the Narcotic Control

Act with portions of the Food and Drug Act.  This combines Criminal

law with regulatory health.



Bill C7 is a Criminal Code framework which could implicate many common

herbal remedies and natural supplements because of their "stimulant"

or "relaxant" properties.



It would make it impossible to sell common herbals, like echineccea,

pau d'arco, etc. --- virtually anything and everything we buy in

health food stores of an herbal nature --- illegal without a

prescription.



It would do to other herbs what was done to tryptophan.

The media is jumping on melatonin, and there are cries that this

should be regulated because of supposed side effects.



Why?  Obviously and we all know this.

These herbs are popular and inexpensive.

Pharmaceuticals gain no profit.

Medical doctors lose their power, authority and control.

Whenever there is a big push for legislation, :

  "Follow the money."



Bill C7 is presently in committee, and strong forces are trying to

push it through.



I first saw this information reported on the Net October 1994,

through an article in the Manchester (UK) Guardian.



About 2 weeks later, I first heard about C7, here in Canada.

The wording was virtually the same.



Where is all this coming from?

Answer:  Brussels.



I prefer not to "fight".

I prefer to educate myself and others and withdraw my support from the

Powers That Be.



Petitions are currently be circulated in health food stores in

Toronto.

Hopefully, with enough awareness, this legislation will fail.



Canadians, write your MPs that you oppose Bill C-7.

It takes away your right of choice.



Stuart <san@cksed.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>London, 8 October 1995



>*European-wide threat to nutritional supplements*



>In 1992, it was revealed that the European Commission planned to

>harmonize vitamin and mineral supplements throughout the European Union.



>What the proposed legislation meant would have that only very weak dose

>vitamin/mineral supplements could have been sold  - higher doses would

>not be available unless they were classified as medicines, a procedure

>too expensive for most vitamin companies.  The Medicines Act requires

>laboratory and animal testing, sometimes for two years or more before a

>licence is granted, this can add at least 10,000 to the cost of making a

>product.



>It was predicted that 95% of higher range vitamin and mineral supplements

>could disappear from shops, and two out of three health shops could close

>as a result of the plans.  Even cod liver oil could be affected as it

>contains more than the proposed limit for vitamin D.



>Thanks, however, to a public outcry and various media campaigns the 1992

>proposals were abandoned: or so we thought!  It seems the matter had just

>been put on the shelf only to await another opportunity to rear its

>ugly head.  According to an article in the September 1995 edition

>_Nutritional Therapy Today_, it seems that yet again rumblings are being

>heard on this issue.  In reply to parliamentary questions and letters to

>MPs enquiring about the European Commissions plans for dietary

>supplements, it transpires that not only is there to be a further attempt

>to legislate in this field but that our own (British) Government has been

>extremely secretive about recent developments.



>Many people require larger doses of vitamins and minerals either due to

>certain illnesses or because they have severe deficiencies.  Many others

>take higher dose supplements to combat some of the perils of modern

>living such as pollution, stress, pesticides and food additives.  These

>people would suffer if this legislation was to be passed.  The Institute

>of Optimum Nutrition in London has much literature and many case

>histories about the positive effects of higher dose supplements.  In

>addition to the people whose health will be affected, many vitamin

>companies could go out of business and jobs be lost.  Britain has many

>excellent small vitamin companies providing an extremely efficient mail

>order service of top quality products.  These companies excel in their

>field and yet this heinous piece of legislation could see businesses like

>these disappear.



>And what of our Government?  It seems we cannot count on them to stand by

>British business or the needs of our people.  Surely a healthier nation

>means a more productive workforce and shorter queues at the Doctors? 

>The huge public outcry of 1992 should have been enough for the Government

>to have said no to Europe on this issue once and for all, but obviously

>theyve just been waiting for the noise to die down before trying to

>furtively sneak this poisonous piece of legislation through once again.



>UK readers wishing to complain about this attempt to limit the

>availability of nutritional supplements should write to their MPs at The

>House of Commons, Westminster, London SW1A 0AA.









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ***Need wholesale sources for Herbal Extracts***

From: Lew Green <lgp@primenet.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 20:26:06 GMT



My girlfiend and I wish to start a small biz and need some h

obsure herbal extracts -- possibly custom ordered... Anyone 

know a manufacturer/wholesaler?  We're not talking about the

over the counter pre-fab combinations in the health food stores

but a place where you could order a high quality  extract of

any given herb to be made for you... 



Thanks in advance!



Lew Green and LR Locke





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: *** Need manufacturer of Herbal extracts!

From: Lew Green <lgp@primenet.com>

Date: 8 Oct 1995 20:31:51 GMT



My girlfriend and I are interesting in starting a small biz

that would require some custom made, very high quality 

herbal extracts in large quantities... any contacts on a 

manufacturer/wholesaler would  be appreciated.



Thanks in advance.



Lew Green and LR Locke





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: propagating hops from roots?

From: tomnsusi@ix.netcom.com (Suzanne Brecht )

Date: 9 Oct 1995 01:35:16 GMT



  I would like some information on how to propagate my hops plants from

root cuttings.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you. Tom

tomnsusi@ix.netcom.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: T R A N Q U I L I T Y

From: TJAT49A@prodigy.com (Paul Ganade)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 03:42:10 GMT



.. IS A SPECIAL FORMAULTION OF SOOTHING INGREDIENTS TO HELP SUPPORT AND 

NOURISH THE BODY WILE AT REST.  THE ALL NATURAL HERBAL INGREDIETNS ARE OF 

THE POTENCEY AND CONCENTRIATION.



Herbal product taken as a capsules, taken before resting at night,



-

  TJAT49A@Prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need info on bee products - royal jelly, propolis, pollen

From: batyaeliya@aol.com (BatyaEliya)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 11:01:23 -0400



I've seen advertising for various bee products.  I am looking increased

energy and perhaps, relief from various allergies.

Does anyone have experience using royal jelly, propolis, or pollen?  What

kind of results have you had?  What dosages are you taking?  What are the

differences between the three different products?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pycnogenol/proanthocyanidin questions

From: ricks@vivanet.com (Rick Scott)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 16:30:46 GMT



Some questions about pycnogenol/proanthocyanidins:



* How are the active ingredients extracted from the grape seeds or pine bark?



  If a solvent is used, what trace components of the solvent remain in the

  extract?



  How harmful are these components, particularly in a supplement that

  "crosses the brain/blood barrier?"



* What does "crosses the brain/blood barrier" mean anyway? Is this hype?



  What other materials cross this barrier?



  What are the possible dangers and/or contraindications of crossing?



* Can one achieve some/all of the benefits of buying an expensive pycnogenol

  supplement simply by eating grapes and chewing up the seeds?



Rick



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pycnogenol/proanthocyanidin questions

From: Jack_Challem@ortel.org (Jack Challem)

Date: 09 Oct 1995 19:57:24 GMT



Rick Scott,ricks@vivanet.com writes:



<<Some questions about pycnogenol/proanthocyanidins:



* How are the active ingredients extracted from the grape seeds or pine bark?



  If a solvent is used, what trace components of the solvent remain in the

  extract?>>



Good question. One of the manufacturer's might be able to answer this.



<<* Can one achieve some/all of the benefits of buying an expensive

pycnogenol

  supplement simply by eating grapes and chewing up the seeds?>>



Smart question. I wouldn't just eat the seeds. There are valuable nutrients

in red grape skins. Basically, the flavonoids are pigments, so the richer the

color, the higher the flavonoid content (as a general rule--there are

exceptions). 



Eat a lot of red grapes--put pycnogenol sales hacks out of business! I love

it. Ought to be a bumper sticker.



Jack Challem

Editor & Publisher

THE NUTRITION REPORTER TM newsletter 



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DHEA

From: John=Robbins%Mkt=Comm%PCMkt=Hou@bangate.compaq.com

Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 16:38:32 GMT



Anybody heard about DHEA? It's supposed to be the

"wonder hormone" of our time. Please let me know

if you have info on this. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: John=Robbins%Mkt=Comm%PCMkt=Hou@bangate.compaq.com

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 16:54:39 GMT



>Anybody heard about DHEA? It's supposed to be the

>"wonder hormone" of our time. Please let me know

>if you have info on this. Thanks.



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Have some info at my shop .....



http://shops.net/shops/Behealthy



Hope this helps. Need more email address I'll send it.



Sincerely, Brad





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 04:20:08 GMT



Hi,



I have a formula that has a bovine source of DHEA, it also

contains Adrenal and Thymus glands, and digestive enzymes.



It is very powerful for unlike the Mexican wild yam this 

does not have to be converted by the body to work, it is 

already DHEA.



Depending on your age you may want to have a DHEA blood 

sulfate test to see where your DHEA level is.



If I can be of future help, let me know.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND

docgreen@magicchain.com



///////





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Do you like homemade soap, but don't have time to make it?

From: woody@epix.net (soaplady)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 17:09:30 GMT



Hi I make homemade Soaps, Bath salts, Bath & Body oils and more.

All products are made with herbs and are 100 % natural and NO CHEMICALS

For a brochure e-mail your mailing address to woody@epix.net

Thank you

Soaplady

COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Greatfind Tea

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 9 Oct 1995 17:31:29 GMT



 Has anyone out there ever heard of this product? I have a great-uncle 

who was a pharmacist in central PA in the early to middle part of this 

century who swore by it. My dad says the stuff was about 80 proof, which 

leads me to suspect that it was a tincture. Said it tasted pretty good 

when you added sugar. My mother, who is not a big believer in these 

things, said that she took some when she had a cold and it cleared her 

right up. I seem to have some dim recollection of trying it once-- very 

pungent, unusual flavor. Only ingredient we're pretty sure was in it was 

eucalyptus, but my dad says it had a long list of ingredients. Just 

curious to find out what this stuff might have been--

Thanks!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Stimulants

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 11:52:59 -0700



(reprinted without permission from _The Atlanta Constitution_, Oct 9, 1995)

(ooh, I feel so illicit *grins*)



THE LOWDOWN ON NATURAL HIGHS    

by M.A.J. McKenna - staff writer



Here's the latest buzz on the latest buzz:  Endless energy.  Unbeatable

euphoria.  All-natural ingredients.



It's not a raspberry triple latte.



The source of the stories are a widely sold class of herbal stimulants with

names such as Ecstasy, EnergyRise, bolt and Up Your Gas.  The products claim

to offer pharmaceutical-free highs, but federal and herbal authorities say

the pills can pose health risks and worry that most consumers don't realize 

the dangers.



Still, demand is growing.



"We've had both young people and older people asking about it," said 

Carolyn Carlquist of the Herb Shop in Sandy Springs, which has sold

herbal Ecstasy pills to high school students and senior citizens.  "One

told me she took two and talked all night.  And an older woman said nothing

else helps her migranes."



Government health authorities and herb experts - two groups that seldom 

agree - warn that the supplements' plant-based ingredients pack an unexpected

chemical wallop.



The problem lies in a few ingredients: ma huang, a Chinese herb, and caffeine-

containing plants including kola nut and guarana.  Guarana beans have 250

percent more caffeine than coffee beans; ma huang contains ephedrine, a close

cousin of the chemical in Sudafed.



"Ephedrine does what adrenaline does," said Dr. Raymond Miyahara of Mercer

University's Southern School of Pharmacy.  "It raises heart rate and blood

pressure.  You get a very activated, alert feeling."



And, sometimes, side effects.  In May, the Food and Drug Administration 

warned consumers against Nature's Nutrition Formula One, which contained

ma huang and kola nut.  The agency linked the product to more than 100 cases

of headache, heart attack and stroke and to several deaths.



The supplements' labels specify what manufacturers believe to be a safe dose.

But the fear is that American consumers, so cavalier about pill-popping

that thousands overdose on over-the-counter drugs each year, will equate

"natural" with "safe at any dose."



"We have gone to great lengths to remind people how the product should be

used," said Robert Henrikson, president of EarthRise Corp.  "We don't want

people to think that taking stimulants every day is a good idea."



Some stimulants are popular in clubs, where they're viewed as a safe alter-

native to the synthetic hallucinogen Ecstasy (suspected of causing brain

damage, and different from herbal Ecstasy).



Because herbal products aren't regulated by the government, no national

statistics on usage exist.  Manufacturers are reluctant to reveal sales

figures.



"We have people buying it from all walks of life, athletes to older people,"

said Jim Vallone of National Health Products, which makes Up Your Gas.



But local herb dealers have felt the demand:  Customers pressure them to

stock the pills.



"I won't have [energy products] in the store," said Marcia Williams, herb

buyer at Sevananda Natural Grocery in Little Five Points.  "But when people

hear that we don't carry them, they get really angry."



Some merchants warn new customers away from products containing ephedrine.

"A lot of people looking for energizers are people who are worn out, don't

eat properly, don't get enough sleep," said Richard Kraus, owner of Health

Unlimited in Toco Hills.  "Give someone like that concentrated ephedrine, 

and it can have a worse effect."



Herb experts fear misuse could trigger a crackdown; 13 states, not including

Georgia, have already placed limitations on ma huang sales.  Said Roy 

Upton, president of the American Herbalists Guild:  "That takes it out of the

hands of the herbalists, naturopathic physicians and the traditional Chinese

medicine practicioners who have been using it for 3000-plus years."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: extracting oils

From: byrne@bga.com (Steve Byrne)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 18:54:00 GMT



How do you extract oils from herbs such as mint, catnip, etc...?



Thanx, Steve Byrne, (byrne@bga.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: extracting oils

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:31:09 



In article: <45br48$f0a@giga.bga.com>  byrne@bga.com (Steve Byrne) writes:

> 

> How do you extract oils from herbs such as mint, catnip, etc...?



Steam Distilation..



Graham



> 

> Thanx, Steve Byrne, (byrne@bga.com

> 

> 

> 

-- 

Moved again! Hopefully permanent this time    

     Guide to Aromatherapy URL



http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant



Murder on the Menu. Corporate Entertainment and Training....



http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/themenu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: extracting oils

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:32:19 GMT



byrne@bga.com (Steve Byrne) wrote:

>

> How do you extract oils from herbs such as mint, catnip, etc...?

> 

> Thanx, Steve Byrne, (byrne@bga.com

>

Usually with a still. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Vitex agnus castus LONG from TLFD

From: alczap@thorne.com (Al Czap)

Date: 9 Oct 1995 19:23:08 GMT



The following is reprinted from the Townsend Letter for Doctors, by

permission.  Those with questions, or interest on the subject may call

360-385-6021 for more information.  If those reading this newsgroup find

the information interesting, the editor, Dr. Collin, has agreed to let me

post a number of articles each month from his magazine.  Let me know what

you think, flame me if you don't like the stuff.



Herbal Research Review

Vitex agnus castus Clinical Monograph

by Donald J. Brown, ND

from Quarterly Review of Natural Medicine, Summer 1994

c/o NPRC, Inc.

Pioneer Building, Suite 205

600 First Avenue

Seattle, WA 98104



   Vitex agnus castus, also known as chaste tree, is a shrub with

finger-shaped leaves and slender violet flowers. Vitex agnus castus grows

in creek beds and on river banks in valleys and lower foothills in the

Mediterranean and Central Asia. The plant blooms in high summer and, after

pollination, develops dark-brown to black fruit the size of a peppercorn.

The fruit possess a pepper-like aroma and flavor. The ripe, dried fruit of

Vitex agnus castus is the part of the plant used in medicinal preparations

today.



Historical Use

   The genus name Vitex is derived from the Latin vitilium which means

plaiting. The flexible, but tough and hard branches were used for

construction of wattle fences. Plinius, 1st Century A.D., has the earliest

reference to the plant as Vitex. The species name Agnus castus originates

from the Latin castitas (chastity) and the equating of the Greek agnos

with the Latin agnus (lamb).

   Vitex agnus castus belonged to the official medicinal plants of

antiquity and is mentioned in the works of Hippocrates, Dioscorides, and

Theophrast. The first specific medicinal indications can be found in the

writings of Hippocrates, 4th Century B.C. He recommends the plant for

injuries, inflammation, and swelling of the spleen, and the leaves in wine

for hemorrhages and the passing of afterbirth. In the Corpus

Hippocratum he states:

   If blood flows from the womb, let the woman drink dark red wine in

which the leaves of the chaste tree have been steeped. A draft of chaste

leaves in wine also serves to expel a chorion held fast in the womb.

Dioscorides attributed to the fruit a hot and astringent activity and

recommended it for wild animal bites, swelling of the spleen, and for

dropsy. Decoctions of the fruit and plant were used as sitz baths for

diseases of the uterus.

   The English name for Vitex agnus castus, chaste tree, is derived from

the belief that the plant would suppress libido in women taking it. In

Greek cities, festivals in the honor of Demeter included a vow of chastity

by the local women. The Catholic church in Europe developed a variation on

this theme by placing the blossoms of the plant at the clothing of novice

monks to supposedly suppress libido. It is interesting to note that

another common name for Vitex agnus castus, monks pepper, derived from

the fact that monks in Southern Europe commonly used the fruit as a spice

in their cooking.



Constituents

   The majority of clinical studies with Vitex agnus castus (Vitex) have

been performed with a tincture of the fruit. Most medical texts, as well

as monographs in Europe, list the entire preparation as medicinally

active.1 This is an indication that the medical activity of the fruit is

examined as a whole and that specific active constituents have not been

individually isolated.

   The fruit of Vitex contains essential oils, iridoid glycosides, and

flavonoids.2 Essential oils include limonene, 1,8 cineole, and sabinene.3

The primary flavonoids include castican, orientin, and isovitexin. The two

iridoidglycosides isolated are agnuside and aucubin (see Figure 1).4

Agnuside serves as a reference material for quality control in the

manufacture of Vitex extracts.

   One other report demonstrated delta-3-ketosteroids in the flowers and

leaves of Vitex. The authors report (albeit in a somewhat vague manner)

that this fraction of the leaves and flowers probably contained

progesterone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone. Testosterone and epitestosterone

were also presumed to be present.5 How this relates to the content of

these substances in the fruit remains to be ascertained.



The Menstrual Cycle: A Brief Overview

   The female menstrual cycle is controlled by a complex interplay between

hormones of the hypothalamus, pituitary, and the ovaries (see Figure 2).6

The actual center of control is the hypothalamus, which produces a

gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) that stimulates the anterior

pituitary to release the gonadotropins follicle stimulating hormone (FSH)

and lutenizing hormone (LH). Pulsatile secretion of GnRH is necessary for

the pituitary to respond with adequate production of LH and FSH. When

there is continuous release or disturbance in pulsatile secretion, the

stimulus for follicle maturation is absent, and sterility results.

   FSH is the primary hormone responsible for the maturation of follicles

into fertile ova and the increased production of estrogen by the ovaries.

LH causes release of the ovum, conversion of the follicle into the corpus

luteum, and the subsequent production of progesterone.

   The timing of the release of these pituitary hormones, as well as

estrogen and progesterone, during a normal menstrual cycle are illustrated

in Figure 3. At midcycle, estrogen is at its peak and progesterone begins

to rise. It is at this point that FSH levels decrease and LH levels surge

to cause ovulation. In the ovary, the corpus luteum produces progesterone.

This hormone ensures sufficient blood supply to the endometrium so that

the fertilized ovum can establish itself in the uterus. If fertilization

does not occur, the corpus luteum recedes, hormone production decreases,

the endometrium is not sufficiently supplied with blood and menses occurs.

FSH and LH levels decline until menses and the beginning of a new

menstrual cycle.

   A third hormone produced by the pituitary, prolactin, also plays an

important role in the menstrual cycle. Prolactin is controlled by an

inhibitory factor (PIF) produced by  the hypothalamus (as opposed to FSH

and LH which are controlled by stimulatory factors). Prolactin regulates

the development of the mammary gland and milk secretion. In non-lactating

women, it is critical that this hormone be in balance with FSH and LH.

Increased production of prolactin can inhibit the maturation of follicles

in the ovary and induce menstrual abnormalities and sterility. It is

interesting to note that prolactin release is often stress-dependent.

Stress reduction should always play a role in the management of menstrual

abnormalities.

   It should also be noted that estrogen and progesterone formed by the

ovary have a self-regulating effect on the hormones produced by the

pituitary and hypothalamus via a feedback mechanism. Androgens, like

testosterone, also play a part in this feedback mechanism. Disorders of

other endocrine glands, such as the thyroid, adrenals, or pancreas, may

also interfere with the normal functioning of this feedback mechanism.



Corpus Luteum Insufficiency

   Corpus luteum insufficiency (also referred to as deficiency) is a

manifestation of suboptimal ovarian function. In laboratory terms, corpus

luteum insufficiency is usually defined as an abnormally low progesterone

level three weeks after the onset of menstruation (serum progesterone

below 10-12 ng/ml). This state is normal during puberty and at menopause.

However, it is usually considered abnormal when occurring in women between

the ages of 20 to 40 years.7

   Corpus luteum insufficiency points to abnormal formation of ovarian

follicles, an abnormality that may be so pronounced that no secondary or

tertiary follicles are produced with a resulting lack of ovulation

(anovulation). Corpus luteum insufficiency also leads to a relative

deficiency of progesterone. Insufficient levels of progesterone may also

result in the formation of ovarian cysts.

   Corpus luteum insufficiency may result in a myriad of different

menstrual abnormalities. Table 1 lists the most common clinical conditions

in 1592 women diagnosed with corpus luteum insufficiency. Foremost are

hypermenorrhea (heavy periods), polymenorrhea (abnormally frequent

periods), and persistent anovulatory bleeding. It is interesting to note

that secondary amenorrhea (lack of a period) may sometimes be observed in

women with corpus luteum insufficiency.

   Disturbances of other hormones may also be associated with corpus

luteum insufficiency. One study found hyperprolactinemia in 70% of cases.9

Also noted are an exaggerated response to the thyroid releasing hormone

(TRH) test which is associated with manifest or latent hypothyroidism.



How Does Vitex Work?

   According to Dr. Rudolf Fritz Weiss, Vitex acts on the

diencephalohypophyseal system  in other words, the hypothalamus and

pituitary.

   Vitex increases LH production and mildly inhibits the release of FSH

(see Figure 4). The result is a shift in the ratio of estrogen to

progesterone, in favor of proges-terone. This is, in fact, a corpus luteum

like hormone effect.10 The ability of Vitex to raise or modulate

progesterone levels in the body is therefore an indirect effect and not a

direct hormonal action.11 This is in contrast to other phytomedicines,

like Black cohosh, frequently used in gynecology because of their direct

binding of estrogen receptors (phyto-estrogens).12

   Vitex also modulates the secretion of prolactin from the pituitary

gland. Early animal studies indicated an increase in lactation and

enlargement of the mammary gland following administration of Vitex.13 It

is interesting to note that Vitex has been historically used as a

lactagogue (substance to increase milk production) in lactating women with

poor breast milk production. As we will note below, clinical studies have

confirmed this effect.

   Current research with Vitex has indicated usefulness in

hyperprolactinemia. In studies with rats, Vitex was shown to inhibit

prolactin release by the pituitary gland  particularly under stress. The

mechanism of action appears to involve the ability of Vitex to directly

bind dopamine receptors and subsequently inhibit prolactin release in the

pituitary.14,15 Slight hyperprolactinemia is commonly associated with

corpus luteum insufficiency.16



Use of Vitex in Womens Healthcare

   The causes of menstrual disorders are multifaceted and can vary greatly

in their manifestation. Frequently, therapeutic interventions must be used

on a trial and error basis over the duration of a number of menstrual

cycles to determine their efficacy. Nutritional interventions like vitamin

B6, magnesium, and vitamin E, as well as phytomedicines like Black cohosh,

Dong quai, and Evening Primrose oil, have all shown greater efficacy when

used over time periods of several months. This reflects the gradual

balancing effect that many of these interventions have on the female

hormonal system. Vitex certainly fits this mold.

   The majority of clinical studies completed with Vitex have been

non-controlled studies with large populations of female patients in

European gynecology practices. Vitex, which has a Commission E Monograph

in Germany, is frequently used in these practices as an initial

intervention in a number of menstrual disorders including premenstrual

syndrome, hypermenorrhea, polymenorrhea, anovulatory cycles, secondary

amenorrhea, infertility, and hyperprolactinemia. As we will note, many of

these cases can be linked to corpus luteum insufficiency. Vitex is also

used in cases of poor lactation, uterine fibroids, and climacteric.



Premenstrual Syndrome

   Premenstrual syndrome (PMS) is one of the most frequent complaints

noted in gynecology practices. According to some estimates, 30 to 40% of

menstruating women are affected by PMS.17 Table 2 lists the different

categories for PMS and the symptoms associated with them.

   Two monitoring surveys of gynecology practices in Germany examined the

effect of Vitex on 1542 women with a diagnosis of PMS.18 The mean age of

the patients was 34.7 with a range of 13 to 62 years. Additional diagnoses

noted with these patients included corpus luteum insufficiency (n = 1016)

and uterine fibroids (n = 170). Patients were placed on a proprietary

Vitex liquid extract known as Agnolyt and instructed to take 40 drops

daily. The average duration of treatment was 166 days.

   The efficacy of treatment was assessed by both patients and their

physicians. These assessments are depicted in Figures 5 and 6. In over 90%

of the cases, symptoms were completely relieved with a report of side

effects in only 2% of the patients (side effects are listed in Table 3).

Only 17 of the 1542 women studied had to stop treatment due to side

effects. Improvement in symptoms began after an average treatment duration

of 25.3 days. 562 patients continued taking Agnolyt after completion of

the monitoring period.

   Another study with 36 patients with a diagnosis of PMS used 40 drops of

Vitex liquid extract (Agnolyt) daily over 3 cycles. A reduction was

noted in physical symptoms (headaches, pressure and tenderness in the

breasts, bloating, and fatigue), psychological changes (increased

appetite, craving for sweets, nervousness/restlessness, anxiety,

irritability, lack of concentration, depression, mood swings, and

aggressiveness). Additionally, the interval of the luteal phase was

normalized from an average of 5.4 days to 11.4 days and a diphasic cycle

was established.19



Abnormal Menstrual Cycles

   The first major clinical study on Vitex was published in 1954.

Fifty-seven women suffering from a variety of menstrual disorders were

given Vitex on a daily basis. Fifty patients developed a cycle in phase

with menses while seven women did not respond. Of the fifty women, six

women with secondary amenorrhea demonstrated one or more cyclic

menstruations. Of nine patients with oligomenorrhea (scant or infrequent

menstrual flow), six experienced a shortening of the menstrual interval

and an increase in bleeding

   Most striking was a dramatic improvement in menstrual regularity among

40 patients with cystic hyperplasia (excessive proliferation of cells) of

the endometrium (the mucous membrane lining the inner surface of the

uterus). This condition is associated with a relative deficiency of

progesterone and characterized by dysfunctional uterine bleeding. No side

effects were observed with Vitex treatment.20

   An observational study with 126 women with menstrual disorders utilized

15 drops of Vitex liquid extract three times daily over several cycles. In

33 women suffering from polymenorrhea, the duration between periods

lengthened from an average of 20.1 days to 26.3 days. In 58 patients with

menorrhagia (excessive bleeding at the time of the period in amount or

number of days), a statistically significant shortening of menses was

achieved. Fourteen patients became pregnant during the study; among them

were 3 women with primary infertility over 2, 3, and 8 years respectively,

as well as 2 patients with secondary infertility over 4 and 15 years.21

   Twenty patients with secondary amenorrhea were admitted to a 6 month

study using Vitex liquid extract at 40 drops daily. Laboratory monitoring

of progesterone, FSH, LH, and pap smears were performed at pre-study, 3

months, and 6 months. At the end of the 6 month study, data was available

on 15 patients. The onset of cycles with menstruation was observed with

Vitex treatment in 10 out of the 15 patients. The hormone values showed

increased values for progesterone and LH, while FSH values either did not

change or decreased slightly.22

   Propping and colleagues carried out two non-blind uncontrolled trials

to study the effect of Vitex on corpus luteum function in a total of 48

infertile women of reproductive age between 23 and 39 years. The inclusion

criteria were normal prolactin levels (below 20 ng/ml), normal results in

the prolactin and thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) stimulation tests and

an abnormally low serum progesterone below 12.0 ng/ml on the 20th day of

the cycle. Treatment consisted of Vitex liquid extract, 40 drops daily,

without any other medication for 3  months.

   Forty-five women completed the studies (3 were excluded because of

concurrent hormone use). The outcome of therapy was assessed by the

normalization of the midluteal progesterone level and by correction

(lengthening) of any preexisting shortening of the phases of the cycle.

Treatment was deemed successful in 39 out of the 45 patients. Seven women

became pregnant; in 25 patients, serum progesterone was restored to normal

(> 12 ng/ml) and in 7 cases there was a trend toward normalization of

progesterone levels.23,24



Hyperprolactinemia

   As mentioned previously, Vitex has shown a modulating effect on

prolactin. A double-blind, placebo-controlled study examined the effect of

a proprietary Vitex preparation (Strotan) on 52 women with luteal phase

defects due to latent hyperprolactinemia. The daily dose of the Vitex

extract was 20 mg and the study lasted for three months. Hormonal analysis

was performed at days 5-8 and day 20 of the menstrual cycle before and

after three months of therapy. 37 cases were available for analysis (20

placebo and 17 Vitex) after 3 months of therapy. Prolactin release was

significantly reduced in the Vitex group. Shortened luteal phases were

normalized and deficits in progesterone production were normalized. No

side effects were noted and two women in the Vitex group became

pregnant.25



Lactation

   As mentioned previously, Vitex has been used historically to increase

milk production in lactating women  another example of its modulating

effect on prolactin levels. Only one controlled study exists examining the

effect of Vitex in lactating women. Mohr found that lactating women with

poor milk production treated with Vitex liquid extract were able to

effectively increase production. Vitex often took several weeks to show

results but was then used effectively over several months. This study and

clinical use in Europe indicates the safety of Vitex for breast-fed

infants.26



Potential Indications

   Anecdotal clinical reports have indicated a potential use for Vitex in

the management of climacteric (hot flushes) in the early stages of

menopause.27 Other clinical observations include:

  Uterine fibroids which are embedded into the muscle or are subserous

may have their growth arrested by use of Vitex. Submucosal fibroids,

however, are not likely to respond.

  Mild cases of endometriosis for which progesterone therapy are

indicated may respond to Vitex.



How to Use Vitex

   Since the early 1950s, the standard Vitex extract used for clinical

research and treatment in Europe has been an alcohol-based tincture of the

fruits of the plant known as Agnolyt. 100 ml of the solution is

standardized to contain 9 grams of the fruit. The recommended dosage is 40

drops with some liquid in the morning over several months without

interruption. It is recommended that treatment with this extract be

continued over several weeks after relief of symptoms is determined. The

recent development of a solid extract equivalent of the tincture has

allowed use by alcohol-sensitive women. The capsules which are 175 mg by

weight, have a one-a-day recommendation also.

   It is important to note that Vitex is not a fast-acting medication. In

cases of anovulatory cycles and infertility, treatment duration may be as

long as 5-7 months before conception occurs. For secondary amenorrhea of

more than two years duration, Vitex should be administered for at least

1.5 years. In other conditions mentioned, however, first indications of

efficacy with Vitex are usually seen within one or two cycles. Extensive

or complete freedom of symptoms usually occurs after 4 to 6 months of

treatment.



Is Vitex Safe?

   Human and animal studies have determined Vitex to be safe for most

women of menstruating age. Vitex should not be used during pregnancy but

is safe for use during lactation. Safety has not been determined in

children. There are no known interactions with other drugs.

   Side effects noted in one large population study are listed in Table 3.

Side effects noted in other clinical observations have included itching

and an occasional rash. Again, these side effects are rare and have been

noted in only 1-2 % of the patients monitored on Vitex. Some women also

report that menstrual flow increases during Vitex treatment. This is often

an indication of therapeutic efficacy.



References

1. Monograph Agni casti fructus (Chaste tree fruits). Bundesanzeiger No.

90, May 15, 1985.

2. Agni cast fructus (chaste tree fruits). Commission E Monograph,

December 2, 1992.

3. Kustrak, Kuftinec J & Blazevic N: The composition of the essential oil

of Vitex agnus castus. Planta Medica 58 (Suppl l): A 681, 1992.

4. Gomaa CS: Flavonoids and iridoids from Vitex agnus castus. Planta

Medica 33: 277, 1978.

5. Saden-Krehula M, Kustrak D & Blazevic N: Delta-3-ketosteroids in

flowers and leaves of Vitex agnus castus. Planta Medica 56: 547, 1990. 

6. Principles and Practice of Clinical Gynecology (Kase NG & Weingold,

eds). John Wiley & Sons, New York, 1983.

7. Propping D, Katzorke T & Beliken L: Diagnosis and therapy of corpus

luteum deficiency in general practice. Therapiewoche 38: 2992-3001, 1988. 

8. Propping D, Bohnert KJ, et al: Vitex agnus-castus: Treatment of

gynecological syndromes. Therapeutikon 5 (11): 581-5, 1991. 

9. Muhlenstedt D, Wutke W & Schneider HPG: Short luteal phase and

prolactin. Fertil Steril 373-4, 1977.

10.   Weiss RF: Herbal Medicine. Ab Arcanum, Sweden, 1988. 

11.   Amann W: Removing an ostipation using Agnolyt. Ther Gegenew 104 (9):

1263-5, 1965. 

12.   Reichert RG: Phyto-estrogens. Quart Rev Nat Med Spring 1994, pp. 27-33. 

13.   Amann W: Op. cit., 1965. 

14.   Sliutz G, Speiser P, et al: Agnus castus extracts inhibit prolactin

secretion of rat pituitary cells. Horm Metab Res 25: 253-5,1993.

15.   Jarry H, Leonhardt S & Wuttke W: Agnus Castus As Dopaminergous

Effective Principle In Mastodynon N. Zeitschrift Phytother 12: 77-82,

1991.

16.   Schneider HPG, Goeser R & Cirkel U: Prolactin and the inadequate

corpus luteum. In: Lisuride and Other Dopamine Agonists. Raven Press, New

York, 1983. pp. 113-120. 

17.   Lurie SR: The premenstrual syndrome. Obstet Gynecol 45 (4): 220-8, 1990.

18.   Dittmar FW, Bohnert KJ, et al: Premenstrual syndrome: Treatment with

a phytopharmaceutical. TW Gynakol 5(1): 60-68,1992. 

19.   Coeugniet E, Elek E & Kuhnast R: Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS) And Its

Treatment. Arztezeitchr Naturheilverf 27 (9): 619-22, 1986. 

20.   Probst V & Roth OA: On A Plant Extract With A Hormone-like Effect.

Dtsch Med Wschr 79 (35): 1271-4, 1954. 

21.   Bleier W: Phytotherapy in irregular menstrual cycles or bleeding

periods and other gynecological disorders of endocrine origin.

Zentralblatt Gynakol 81 (18): 701-9, 1959. 

22.   Losh EG & Kayser E: Diagnosis and Treatment of Dyshormonal Menstrual

Periods In The General Practice. Gynakol Praxis 14 (3): 489-95, 1990. 

23.   Propping D & Katzorke T: Treatment of corpus luteum insufficiency.

Zeits Allgemeinmedizin 63: 932-3, 1987.

24.   Propping D, et al: Op. cit., 1988.

25.   Milewicz A, Gejdel E, et al: Vitex agnus castus extract in the

treatment of luteal phase defects due to hyperprolactinemia: Results of a

randomized placebo-controlled double-blind study. Arzneim-Forsch Drug Res

43: 752-6, 1993.

26.   Mohr H: Clinical investigations of means to increase lactation.

Dtsch Med Wschr 79 (41): 1513-6, 1954. 

27.   Du Mee C: Vitex agnus castus . Aust J Med Herbalism 5 (3): 63-5, 1993.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thick Dry Skin

From: stuart@intex.net (STUART JOHNSON)

Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 15:02:09 PST



What would be a good ointment or salve for thick dry skin on my feet? The 

skin cracks and burns. I have tried many over the counter products but 

none help.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Thick Dry Skin

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 03:54:34 GMT



I have a product that is made with MSM or fundamental sulphur it

is very healing to the skin! 



If you would like more information on it let me know its called Skin 

Restore.



I have a lot of testimonials on this product.



Hope this helps.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND

docgreen@magicchain.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thick Dry Skin

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 08:21:24 GMT



STUART JOHNSON <stuart@intex.net> wrote:

>What would be a good ointment or salve for thick dry skin on my

>feet? The skin cracks and burns. I have tried many over the counter

>products but none help.



I use anhydrous lanolin successfully for similar problems.  I buy it

in a 1p screw top pot from most drugstores.  Brand: Fougera.  There

might be other brands.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Thick Dry Skin

From: baker.325@osu.edu (gwen baker)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 17:22:51 GMT



If you are able to do it it works best if the lanolin is applied 2-4 times

a day with warm wraps-I have seen it do wonders.

-- 

Gwen Baker

baker.325@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Head Weakness after meal?

From: ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu

Date: 9 Oct 95 23:59:25 GMT



Does anyone know of any herbs that might cure a peculiar condition which I have

been experiences and the doctors have no clue as to what's going on.



AFter a meal, I experience numbness in the left side of the head and general

weakness.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Please email to ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu



Thanks in advance.



Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Head Weakness after meal?

From: smiller@pacifier.com (Sandy)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 19:48:09 GMT



In article <1995Oct9.235925@acl.nyit.edu>

ksantwani@acl.nyit.edu writes:



> AFter a meal, I experience numbness in the left side of the head and general

> weakness.



Hmmm... could it be a blood clot or narrowing of arteries to the head? 

Perhaps when the blood in your body rushes to your stomach to help

digest your meal, an "iffy" area of blood flow reduces the flow even

more?  Does this still happen when you take aspirin?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Head Weakness after meal?

From: solodoc@aol.com (SoloDoc)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 09:32:28 -0400



Couls also be migraine. Do specific foods make a difference? There are

many which trigger migraine including aged cheeses, wine, processed meat

etc. Some are bothered by caffiene etc. If it doesn't happen all the time

try keeping a record of what you eat and see if there is any correlation. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Shark Cartilage

From: bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:27:00 GMT



Hi All,       :)



        Does anyone know where I can purchase good quality Shark

        Cartilage at a reasonable price?



        Thanks for any help.



Bill Malcom                               [|-D)



                        bill.malcom@christnet.org



---

 * SLMR 2.1a * A deceived person is totally sincere but sincerely wrong!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bill.malcom@christnet.org

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: Rod Dobson <rdobson@xmission.com>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 07:40:28 GMT



Shark Cartilage



Eagle Health Technologies

1627 E. Edinger Av. #E

Santa Ana, CA  92705

1-800-83SHARK ie 1-800-837-4275



They claim to have the "best" product...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:25:34 GMT



In message ID <45l55c$flv@news.xmission.com> on 10/13/95, Rod Dobson wrote:



: Shark Cartilage

: 

: Eagle Health Technologies

: 1627 E. Edinger Av. #E

: Santa Ana, CA  92705

: 1-800-83SHARK ie 1-800-837-4275

: 

: They claim to have the "best" product...



 BOYCOTT SHARK CARTILAGE!!!!!!!!!



There are other sources of these chemicals that do NOT involve the slaughter

of entire ecosystems in Southeast Asia, by poor fishermen who a looking to

make a buck.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 18:01:27 GMT



Gotta agree with Paul on this one-- a very destructive scam, all in all.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: NAQU49A@prodigy.com (Audrey Autio)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 21:06:58 GMT



Look into Bovine Cartilage. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: roocat@aol.com (ROOCAT)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 04:38:59 -0400



Another option is Northern Sea's shark cartilage.  Northern Sea's uses the

spiny dogfish shark which is plentiful in the Canadian Pacific Northwest. 

  These fish are killed by commercial fishermen for their meat.  Northern

Sea's then purchases the shark skulls, etc from the fishermen.



  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 20:55:58 GMT



In message ID <45vq33$2vt@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/17/95, ROOCAT wrote:



: Another option is Northern Sea's shark cartilage.  Northern Sea's uses the

: spiny dogfish shark which is plentiful in the Canadian Pacific Northwest. 

:   These fish are killed by commercial fishermen for their meat.  Northern

: Sea's then purchases the shark skulls, etc from the fishermen.



No predators are 'plentiful' for long. Harvesting commercial quantities of

predators is NOT good resource management in any ecosystem (unless the

predators were imported originally, or aspects of the ecosystem have been

destroyed such that the predators are overacting on the host species).



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: rolex1234@aol.com (ROLEX 1234)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 12:39:31 -0400



Cartilade  brand by the Solgar Co.   Very good quality control on source

and product, as well as exacting proccessing methods. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Shark Cartilage

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:22:10 GMT



rolex1234@aol.com (ROLEX 1234) wrote:

>Cartilade  brand by the Solgar Co.   Very good quality control on source

>and product, as well as exacting proccessing methods. 



Hmmm, I think I must disagree. Twin Labs just came out with 

a standardized shark cartilage that guarantees 75% 

mucopolysaccarides and its protein level.  I don't believe 

Solgar puts its mucos contents on the label.  At least with 

a standardized extract you know what you are getting.  Some 

of the Shark crtilage out there has as little as 4% and is 

no less expensive!



Take care,

Leslie Taylor





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hair Dye

From: cboyle@uoguelph.ca (Christine Boyle)

Date: 10 Oct 1995 16:05:46 GMT



Hello all,



Sometime back in the spring I read an article here about natural hair 

dyes, well I write to say thanks!  I have been bathing my mousy 

dirty-blond hair with cammimole (sp) tea and it really brings out my 

highlights loosing the mousiness.  



My mom was so impressed with the natural looking results that she has 

asked if there are any wonderful herbs which may be used for grey hair.



Look forward to hearing the suggestions.



Christine and Irene





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair Dye

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 17:07:12 GMT



Well, I'm not sure if this would really work, but here's an idea-- we 

have walnut trees, and removing the husks stains our hands dark brown. I 

believe walnut has been used as a dye for some things. But research it 

carefully to avoid any misadventures. Good Luck!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair Dye

From: hdayanan@be0958 (Honasoge Dayananda)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 18:17:38 GMT



Liz Jones (lizjones+@pitt.edu) wrote:

: Well, I'm not sure if this would really work, but here's an idea-- we 

: have walnut trees, and removing the husks stains our hands dark brown. I 

: believe walnut has been used as a dye for some things. But research it 

: carefully to avoid any misadventures. Good Luck!

: Liz





Actually in india the walnut tree barks and henna are used 

to dye hair. I use henna but love to use the walnut tree bark.

does anybody know if there is any way to get them?  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and cholesterol

From: Bill Piekarski <bpiekar@cello.gina.calstate.edu>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 16:58:01 GMT



Can anyone recommend an effective herb for lowering blood cholesterol

levels?



Thanks!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bpiekar@cello.gina.calstate.edu

Subject: Re: Herbs and cholesterol

From: "michle curley" <mcurley@csulb.edu>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:20:41 GMT



get some odor free garlic and take 1 or 2 every day. reduces cholesterol by 33% 

and and 'cleans the blood'.  my grandma has very high cholesterol and this 

works great for her. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Recipes for sale get them now...

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:11:21 



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Yo Himbine ??

From: "John D. Chambers, Jr." <chambers@neosoft.com>

Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:28:51 GMT



I am interested in information regarding a chinese (?) herb called Yo 

Himbine.  I think it is supposed to be a type of herbal steroid... Any 

information or correction of my understanding is welcome.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yo Himbine ??

From: cstewart@jaxnet.com (C.D.Stewart)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:03:55 GMT



On 10 Oct 1995 18:28:51 GMT, "John D. Chambers, Jr." <chambers@neosoft.com>

wrote:



>s<I am interested in information regarding a chinese (?) herb called Yo 

>s<Himbine.  I think it is supposed to be a type of herbal steroid... Any 

>s<information or correction of my understanding is welcome.

>s<



I believe you are referring to an African remedy, the inner bark of the

Yohimbe Tree. It has no steroids in itself, to my knowledge. The PDR

(Physician's Desk Reference) lists several prescription drugs with

Yohimbine Hydrochloride as the active ingredient. It is used in the

treatment of impotence. The PDR states that it acts by supplying

nitrous oxide to the base of the male sex organ causing the muscle

controlling blood flow to relax and allowing a large enough flow to

create an erection. It is not recommended for and is useless for

treatment in women. It also states that treatment should never be

for more than 90 days as it can cause blood pressure problems.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yo Himbine ??

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 04:30:37 GMT



"John D. Chambers, Jr." <chambers@neosoft.com> wrote:

>I am interested in information regarding a chinese (?) herb called Yo 

>Himbine.  I think it is supposed to be a type of herbal steroid... Any 

>information or correction of my understanding is welcome.

>

Despite the hype, yohimbe is not a herbal steroid. In fact, 

clinical research shows that it has NO steriodal action.The 

active ingredient is an alkaloid called yohimbine.It has 

been extracted and made into a FDA approved prescription 

drug used to treat erectile dysfunction and impotency and 

the standard dosage is 30 to 40 mgs daily.  The liquid 

yohimbe extract found in the stores contain only 4-10 mgs 

of yohimbine per OUNCE. Here's an article on yohimbine that 

was published in a peer reviewed journal.



Hope this clears this one up.



Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group





Excerpted from The American Journal of Natural Medicine, 

November 1994, Vol. 1, No. 3, Page 8





        Yohimbine vs. Muira puama in the treatment of 

erectile dysfunction



        The term "impotence" has traditionally been used to 

signify the inability of the male to attain and maintain 

erection of the penis sufficient to permit satisfactory 

sexual intercourse. Impotence, in most circumstances, is 

more precisely referred to as erectile dysfunction as this 

term differentiates itself from loss of libido, premature 

ejaculation, or inability to achieve orgasm.1 

        An estimated 10 to 20 million men suffer from 

erectile dysfunction.  This number is expected to increase 

dramatically as the median age of the population increases. 

Currently, erectile dysfunction is thought to affect over 

25% of men over the age of 50.2

        Although the frequency of erectile dysfunction 

increases with age, it must be stressed that ageing itself 

is not a cause of impotence. Although the amount and force 

of the ejaculate as well as the need to ejaculate decrease 

with age, the capacity for erection is retained. Men are 

capable of retaining their sexual virility well into their 

80's.

        Erectile dysfunction may be due to organic or 

psychogenic factors. In the overwhelming majority of cases 

the cause is organic, i.e., it is due to some physiological 

reason.  In fact, in men over the age of 50, organic causes 

are responsible fro erectile dysfunction in of 90%3.  In 

the past, a man with impotence who was able to have 

nighttime or early morning erections was thought to have 

psychogenic impotence. However, it is mow recognized that 

this is not a reliable indicator.2 



Yohimbine

        The only FDA approved medicine for impotence is 

yohimbine - an alkaloid isolated from the bark of the 

yohimbe tree (Pausinystalia yohimbe) native to tropical 

West Africa.  Yohimbine hydrochloride increases libido, but 

its primary action is to increase blood flow to erectile 

tissue. Yohimbine is a selective alpha-2 receptor 

antagonist. Contrary to a popular misconception, yohimbine 

has no effect on testosterone levels.

        When used alone, yohimbine is successful in 34% to 

43% of cases 4 & 5. It is effective in both psychogenic and 

organic cause of impotence.  The standard dose of yohimbine 

is 15 to 20 mg per day, however, higher doses, up to 42 mg 

of yohimbine, may prove to be more effective.

        To illustrate the benefits to be expected in 

clinical practice, let's examine the results from one of 

the more recent double-blind studies. In the study, 82 men 

with erectile dysfunction selected from a Veterans 

Administration population with a high incidence of diabetes 

and vascular disease underwent a multifactorial evaluation, 

including a determination of penile brachial blood pressure 

index, caver nosography, sacral evoked response, 

testosterone and prolactin determination, sexual 

dysfunction and arousal test.

        After one month of treatment with the maximum of 

42.0 mg oral yohimbine hydrocholride daily 14% of the 

patients experienced restoration of full and sustained 

erections. 20% reported a partial response to the therapy 

and 65% reported no improvement.  In comparison, only three 

patients reported a positive effect in the placebo group. 

Maximum effect with yohimbine takes two to three weeks to 

manifest itself.  Yohimbine was active in some patients 

with arterial insufficiency and a unilateral sacral reflex 

arc lesion, and in one with low serum testosterone levels. 

The 34% response is somewhat encouraging given the study 

population.

        Side effects often make yohimbine very difficult to 

utilize. Yohimbine can induce anxiety, panic attacks, and 

hallucinations in some individuals. Other side effects 

include elevations in blood pressure, and heart rate, 

dizziness, headache, and skin flushing. Yohimbine should 

not be used in individuals with psychological disturbances.

        Although crude yohimbe bark preparations are 

available commercially, use of pure yohimbine hydrochloride 

is preferred.  There are no commercial sources of yohimbe 

bark that are available to physicians or in health food 

stores which actually state the level of yohimbine per 

dosage. Without knowing the content of yohimbine, it is 

virtually impossible to prescribe an effective and 

consistent dosage. Because of the yohimbine content of 

yohimbe bark, the FDA classifies yohimbe as an unsafe herb.



Muira puama

        Preliminary research indicates one of the best 

herbs to use for erectile dysfunction or lack of libido may 

be Muira puama (also known as potency wood). This shrub is 

native to Brazil and has long been used as a powerful 

aphrodisiac and nerve stimulant in South American folk 

medicine 6 . A recent study has validated its safety and 

effectiveness in improving libido and sexual function in 

some patients.

        At the Institute of Sexology in Paris, Franc, under 

the supervision of one of the world's foremost authorities 

on sexual function, Dr. Jacques Waynberg, a clinical study 

with 262 patients complaining of lack of sexual desire and 

the inability to attain or maintain an erection 

demonstrated Muira puama extract to be effective in many 

cases 7.    Within two weeks, at a daily dose of 1 to 1.5 

grams of the extract (4:1), 62% of patients with loss of 

libido claimed that the treatment had dynamic effect while 

51% of patients with "erection failures" felt that Muira 

puama was of benefit. These results are extremely promising 

and seem to indicate that Muira puama may provide better 

results than yohimbine without side effects.

        Presently, the mechanism of action of Muira puama 

is unknown, From the preliminary information, it appears 

that it works on enhancing both psychological and physical 

aspects of sexual function. Future research will 

undoubtably shed additional light ob this extremely 

promising herb for erectile dysfunction.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Yo Himbine ??

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 06:24:22 GMT



In article <45ee13$t18@uuneo.neosoft.com>, chambers@neosoft.com says...

>

>I am interested in information regarding a chinese (?) herb called Yo 

>Himbine.  I think it is supposed to be a type of herbal steroid... Any 

>information or correction of my understanding is welcome.



The only yohimbine I'm aware of is the active ingredient in yohimbe. 

Read up on the 'normal' use as a sexual stimulant (including the

dangers with its use) in the medicinal herbfaq.

 

--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi 

                  http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: PLEASE HELP - NEED RESEARCH!

From: miranda@mo.net (Miranda)

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 21:41:59 GMT



I am doing a research paper on herbal/homeopathic medicines and need

any info and research available.  If anyone is able to help, or knows

where I may locate this research, please email me.  Thanks!

-Miranda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why not use a real doctor?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 00:36:10 GMT



In article <45e6gq$6c8@cwis.isu.edu>, @.isu.edu wrote:

>

>I know that they 

>have been around for a long time and have a great tradition but why

>the growing intrest now?  Was there this much intrest in the 40's and

>50's

The '40s were the days of "science can cure everything"  before the 

nasty fact that bacteria can evolve resistance as fast as we can deveolp

antibiotics.  Many of the very useful botanicals were dropped from the 

USP in favor of synthetic preparations of a single active principle.

(they seem to have forgotten synergy ... the effect that makes sub-lethal

doses of alcholo and sub-lethal doses of tranquilizers quite fatal).

Call it an infatuation with the precision of modern medicine.



>1.  Dissatifaction with the standard systems ability

>to provide effective treatment of illness, including Doctor ineptitude,

>treatment of symptoms rather than illness, and high costs.

Actually, some of my herbal remedies were suggested by a board-certified

orthopedic surgeon.  Others are in common use in the standard medical

practices of Latin America (they use more botanicals)



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why not use a real doctor?

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:15:51 -0800



To the person who wants demographic info on alt herbal health users....



I can't write you if I cant find you!  Whats your E-Mail adress?



I'm fspr@aurora.alaska.edu



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why not use a real doctor?

From: lindae1@ix.netcom.com (Linda Evans )

Date: 13 Oct 1995 01:41:46 GMT



In <45e6gq$6c8@cwis.isu.edu> @.isu.edu writes: 

>

>John made a good point about doing the research and experimenting with

>the alternatives.  I think that I may not have been clear in my 

>question though...  I am interested in why you do it.

  I think the reasons for why we do it are as varied as the people.. I

for one have come to realize that I have the knowledge to take care of

my body with out the help of traditional medicine.  And have proven its

worth over and over again.  

>You see it's like this, I have observed a growing interest in the 

>alt. health care systems over the past two years.  I know that they 

>have been around for a long time and have a great tradition but why

>the growing intrest now?  Was there this much intrest in the 40's and

>50's (I am under the impression that there was a drop in the number 

>of users then)?

   Yes...

>I am also interested in what social groups are experienceing this

>growth.  Granted my medium for information gathering is quite limited

>in scope, there is still some validity to the group structure and

>its membership.  I hope this explains why I asked about age, gender,

>ethnicity, education and now that I think about it, religous standing.

  I have observed this for years and say that we come from all walks of

life, with different life experience  but of like mind when it comes to

this one thing.. 

>So far it looks to me like the reasons why you have turned to alt.

>health care was:  1.  Dissatifaction with the standard systems ability

>to provide effective treatment of illness, including Doctor

ineptitude,

>treatment of symptoms rather than illness, and high costs.

  Yes!!!

>2.  There is the appearance that herbs (and other systems of alt. 

>health care) provide not only relief of the symptoms, but also remove

>the illness from the body.  

   Yes!!

>3.  There also seems to be a great deal of satisfaction by providing

>the remady for illness that the standard medical system has been 

>unable to deal with (also a feeling of elitism).

   Oh... yes

>The practitioners of the alt. health care who have responded to me

>seem to share the following traits:  

>       most are women (though some men have made responses)

>       most appear to have a good deal of education beyond high school

>               or are presently in college

 

  It is most likely that only  women resonded.



>

>Ok - so you now know what I was looking at... you have all done nicely

>responding but I feel that you have more to say.  

>

>Don't be shy, I can take it     :)

>

 Linda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Why not use a real doctor?

From: spcsinc@tyrell.net (Mark W. McBride, President)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:55:32 GMT



I thought you'd like to know that, in bit.listserv.medlib-l on Thu, 12

Oct 1995 13:40:03 -0700, Laurie Potter <lap@SCS.UNR.EDU> wrote:



:)Thanks to Marian Frear from the National College of Naturopathic Medicine

:)Library in Portland, Oregon for sending me the following article:



:)Daly D., "Alternative Medicine Courses Taught in U.S. Medical Schools: An

:)Ongoing Listing."  1995 Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine.

:)Vol 1(2):205-7.



:)Here are the medical schools it lists:



:)Albert Einstein College of Medicine

:)Boston Univ. Sch. of Med.

:)Case Western Reserve

:)Columbia Univ.

:)City Univ. of N.Y.

:)Emory Univ.

:)Georgetown Univ.

:)Harvard

:)Indiana Univ.

:)Johns Hopkins

:)Medical Coll. of Pennsylvania

:)Mount Sinai

:)Penn State

:)Southern Illinois

:)Stanford Univ.

:)Tufts

:)Uniformed Services Univ.

:)Univ. of Arizona

:)UCLA

:)Univ. of CA, San Francisco

:)Univ. of Cincinnati

:)Univ. of Louisville

:)Univ. of Maryland

:)Univ. of Miami

:)Univ. of Virginia

:)Wayne State

:)Yale



:)Addition schools not in above list (from medlib responses):



:)St. Louis Univ.

:)SUNY Buffalo (Dr. Sanford Levy called me long distance)

:)Univ. of Washington, Seattle





:)Laurie A. Potter,MLS*Medical Reference Librarian*Savitt Medical Library/306

:)University of Nevada School of Medicine*Reno,NV 89557-0046

:)*702-784-4489(fax)  *702-784-4625(voice)        lap@scs.unr.edu





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese Herbs: Where to get?

From: nyles@bpa.arizona.edu (nyles)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 02:01:46 GMT



I have a list of Chinese herbs (Latin names) and

can't seem to get a source for most of them.



I'm not looking to purchase them in caps but loose

in bulk quantities.



Can anyone PLEASE help.

           ^^^^^^



Please e-mail me at the above address.



Thank you all very much!



Nyles





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fruit fly

From: Carrie_Marcott@RedwoodFN.org (Carrie Marcott)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 02:30:51 GMT



What can I put in my kitchen to get rid of the fruit fly and his many friends.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fruit fly

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 14:35:03 GMT



Carrie_Marcott@RedwoodFN.org (Carrie Marcott) wrote:

>What can I put in my kitchen to get rid of the fruit fly and his many friends.

 Open the windows and scrub down your kitchen, chucking the moldy banana 

in the fruit bowl as you go? Works for me everytime. Two general 

preventatives= (1) Don't  leave fruit or veggies lying out, and (2) try 

dosing your kitchen drain with some vinegar or baking soda. If after all 

of the above you still have'm, put a  solid rubber drain cover over the 

kitchen drain-- if they can't get to the water, they have to go 

elsewhere.

Good Luck!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fruit fly

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 08:59:39 GMT



On 11 Oct 1995 02:30:51 GMT, Carrie_Marcott@RedwoodFN.org (Carrie

Marcott) wrote:



>What can I put in my kitchen to get rid of the fruit fly and his many friends.



Fruit flies have a very short life cycle (usually less than a week - a

couple of days?).  I've only gotten them in my kitchen when I've found

a source where they've been breeding.  Check under your counters,

behind stoves, your refrigerator, etc, to see if some kind of fruit or

vegatable hasn't fallen down behind something.  They have, on

occassion even bred in the little bit of food that may be left over in

a container of tin-cans that were waiting to go out to be recycled.

If you remove their food supply (it is generally a moist source as

they don't breed in dry foods), they will disappear all on their own

within a matter of days or weeks.  Check any vegatables that you have

in open containers for storage (potatoes, onions, etc,) to make sure

they are not breeding in there too.  If that is the case, you might

want to store the food in a refrigerator (makes them dormant) until

the foods are used up and the flies are gone for a month or so. One

time they found my onions (1 onion in the bin that "went bad"), so I

stored the rest in the fridge to interrupt their life-cycles.  They

are more than welcome to breed by the compost heap outside, but NOT in

my house.  If I can't have any sex in my home, they can't either. :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fruit fly

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:44:32 GMT



In article <126942.295464@RedwoodFN.org>,

   Carrie_Marcott@RedwoodFN.org (Carrie Marcott) wrote:



>What can I put in my kitchen to get rid of the fruit fly and his many 

friends.



Uh ... less fruit?



1. get rid of ALL the current fruit!

2. thoroughly wash all containers in hot soapy water

3. wait a couple weeks for all the adults to die off

   (or set off a smoke bomb of the insecticidal type)

4. keep all new fruit covered, and don't mix incoming

   purchases with older fruit ... the flies come in with

   a purchase, and can spread to other fruit.

   "covered" can be with a fine cheesecloth or in a

   paper bag stapled shut with at least a double fold

   to kee pthem out.



Callie



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http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fruit fly

From: joseph.davis@grape.net (Joseph Davis)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:53:00 -0700



Ca>Ca>Message-ID: <126942.295464@RedwoodFN.org>

Ca>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Ca>Organization: Redwood Free-Net



Ca>What can I put in my kitchen to get rid of the fruit fly and his many f



A Pyrethrin emmiter, it works every time.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fruit fly

From: debs@nyquist.bellcore.com (Deborah Rappaport 21714)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 12:27:56 GMT





The best way I know of to get rid of the fruit fly is to take

a bottle - put some juice in the botton - 1/2 inch or so - 

take a piece of paper and make a cone out of it with the 

end only large enough for the fruit fly to fit through - place the 

cone in the bottle so the end does not touch the juice.

Leave this in the area of the flies. In the morning the jar will be

full of the flies. 

Repeat this until all the flies are gone.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fruit fly

From: hamilton@umbc.edu (Diana Hamilton)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 14:30:29 -0400



In article <DGp3yL.I0r@walter.bellcore.com>,

Deborah Rappaport 21714 <debs@nyquist.bellcore.com> wrote:

>

>The best way I know of to get rid of the fruit fly is to take

>a bottle - put some juice in the botton - 1/2 inch or so - 

>take a piece of paper and make a cone out of it with the 

>end only large enough for the fruit fly to fit through - place the 

>cone in the bottle so the end does not touch the juice.

>Leave this in the area of the flies. In the morning the jar will be

>full of the flies. 

>Repeat this until all the flies are gone.



This will work even better if you add a couple of drops of dishwashing 

detergent to the juice. This decreases the surface tension of the liquid, 

so the flies that land on it will sink and drown.



Also, cider vinegar, and supposedly wine or beer, will also work in place 

of juice.



[I apologize for the lack of an herb connection here!]

-- 

Diana Hamilton -- hamilton@alumni.umbc.edu -- Baltimore, MD USA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ovarian Cysts

From: smafrin@vms.cis.pitt.edu

Date: 11 Oct 95 00:32:57 EDT



I wouls like to know if there are any special herbs which are good for either 

shrinking or alleviating the pain of ovarian cysts.  Please send any responses 

to smafrin+@pitt.edu  Thanks! :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: New Ethnobotanical Software - 2600 species

From: wierton@kentnet.co.uk (Paul)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:26:30 GMT



David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>In article <44cec1$t63@agate.berkeley.edu> overmind@hooked.net

writes:

>

>> See the Herbage home page for information:

>> 

>> http://www.hooked.net/users/overmind/index.html



What do you do with this program after you have downloaded it? I can't

fathom it out. Do I have to pay the authors something in order to

bring this huge file to life?



If anyone has any ideas I'd be grateful to hear them.



Paul





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: New Ethnobotanical Software - 2600 species

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:53:48 GMT



On Wed, 11 Oct 1995 05:26:30 GMT, wierton@kentnet.co.uk (Paul) wrote:



>David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

>>In article <44cec1$t63@agate.berkeley.edu> overmind@hooked.net

>writes:

>>

>>> See the Herbage home page for information:

>>> 

>>> http://www.hooked.net/users/overmind/index.html

>

>What do you do with this program after you have downloaded it? I can't

>fathom it out. Do I have to pay the authors something in order to

>bring this huge file to life?

>

>If anyone has any ideas I'd be grateful to hear them.

>

>

>Paul

>

It appears to be just a simple database of plants and herbal

references (uses, etc.).  I installed it, but there it sits on my hd.

I've not found any reason to use it.  Any book is a much better and

more easily accessable database of herbs than this.  However, like all

sources of info.  I keep it, on that very rare occasoin it might

contain some info that can't be found anywhere else.  Or else I keep

it because I'd hate to think I spent my time downloading a useless

program.  It's the old "There _must_ be a good reason for this

program, or they wouldn't have wasted my time!"  But I might be wrong

and will have to clear it off my hd in another year if I don't hear

different.  To date, I've not experienced any usefulness out of it.  I

wonder if anyone else has.  Surely, they must not be getting many

orders for it.  At least I can't think of why I'd waste my time buying

more of the same.  It pretty much looks like an office-worker's

concept of what might be a useable interface, and they just wanted to

tap into the herb market because it is lucrative now.  If anyone else

has had any good experiences with playing with the demo, I'd be

interested in hearing them.  Maybe we can figure out a way to import

the data into a useful format (but I think any good old fashioned book

would be better than what could be made of the data contained in this

program.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: New Ethnobotanical Software - 2600 species

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 20:15:17 GMT



> It appears to be just a simple database of plants and herbal

> references (uses, etc.).  I installed it, but there it sits on my hd.

> I've not found any reason to use it.  Any book is a much better and

> more easily accessable database of herbs than this.  However, like all

> sources of info.  I keep it, on that very rare occasoin it might

> contain some info that can't be found anywhere else.  Or else I keep

> it because I'd hate to think I spent my time downloading a useless

> program.  It's the old "There _must_ be a good reason for this

> program, or they wouldn't have wasted my time!"  But I might be wrong

> and will have to clear it off my hd in another year if I don't hear

> different.  To date, I've not experienced any usefulness out of it.  I

> wonder if anyone else has.  Surely, they must not be getting many

> orders for it.  At least I can't think of why I'd waste my time buying

> more of the same.  It pretty much looks like an office-worker's

> concept of what might be a useable interface, and they just wanted to

> tap into the herb market because it is lucrative now.  If anyone else

> has had any good experiences with playing with the demo, I'd be

> interested in hearing them.  Maybe we can figure out a way to import

> the data into a useful format (but I think any good old fashioned book

> would be better than what could be made of the data contained in this

> program.)



I am the author of this software, and I have a few comments 

for those brave enough to download the enormous Herbage v2.0 for 

Windows demo:



1. Make sure to view the hypertext tutorial that is included

on the Herbage home page before you try to use the software.

The URL: http://www.hooked.net/users/overmind/index.html



2. Keep in mind that this is a disabled demo - it contains something 

like 1/200th of the data that comes with the retail version. There 

are also some commands that are disabled. Why? Because I had to make

certain sacrifices in order to develop this software. If I

could, I would give the whole thing away for free, but I got a

family to feed, folks. If someone can think of a way I can

continue to work on this without charging money for it, please

send me an e-mail!



3. This software was designed with the idea of having a standard 

database structure so that ethnobotanists, herbalists, and other 

plant researchers can easily share information. The retail version

of Herbage v2.0 for Windows allows you to add your own data as a

"library", then tranfer your library to somebody else who has

a copy of Herbage. Libraries are converted into a text file and 

can be transferred via e-mail, or as a file. The data that 

comes with Herbage is an example of just one library - this is data 

I collected from many different books over a three year period. The 

demo version does not let you add any data or transfer data or send 

data to the printer - these functions are all available in the retail

version.





- Tim Johnson

Overmind Software

mailto:overmind@hooked.net



 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Web Site:SW School of Botanical Medicine

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 06:31:48 GMT



I finally got all of my material in one place:



http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html



There is abot 300K of school info and announcements about books, videos

and software I have written (but don't publish)...



The rest of the 27M of files are all my clinical manuals, nearly 350

photographs of medicinal plants (mostly taken in western North America),

OCRd classic texts in Eclectic and early Naturopathic medicine, etc..  I

hope you enjoy.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Warning: Brussels can damage your health: UK, EC, CAN, US.

From: jhammell@ix.netcom.com (John Hammell)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 07:22:57 GMT



In <45e6o3$28p@ionews.io.org> mgang@io.org writes: 

>

>

>The sale of herbal remedies is threatened in the West, and extends

>here to Canada as well.

>

>Our rights to buy health products are in jeopardy.

>

>Bill C7, the Controlled Substances Act, combines the Narcotic Control

>Act with portions of the Food and Drug Act.  This combines Criminal

>law with regulatory health.

>

>Bill C7 is a Criminal Code framework which could implicate many common

>herbal remedies and natural supplements because of their "stimulant"

>or "relaxant" properties.

>

>It would make it impossible to sell common herbals, like echineccea,

>pau d'arco, etc. --- virtually anything and everything we buy in

>health food stores of an herbal nature --- illegal without a

>prescription.

>

>It would do to other herbs what was done to tryptophan.

>The media is jumping on melatonin, and there are cries that this

>should be regulated because of supposed side effects.

>

>Why?  Obviously and we all know this.

>These herbs are popular and inexpensive.

>Pharmaceuticals gain no profit.

>Medical doctors lose their power, authority and control.

>Whenever there is a big push for legislation, :

>  "Follow the money."

>

>Bill C7 is presently in committee, and strong forces are trying to

>push it through.

>

>I first saw this information reported on the Net October 1994,

>through an article in the Manchester (UK) Guardian.

>

>About 2 weeks later, I first heard about C7, here in Canada.

>The wording was virtually the same.

>

>Where is all this coming from?

>Answer:  Brussels.

>

>I prefer not to "fight".

>I prefer to educate myself and others and withdraw my support from the

>Powers That Be.

>

>Petitions are currently be circulated in health food stores in

>Toronto.

>Hopefully, with enough awareness, this legislation will fail.

>

>Canadians, write your MPs that you oppose Bill C-7.

>It takes away your right of choice.

>

>

>

>Stuart <san@cksed.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

>>London, 8 October 1995

>

>>*European-wide threat to nutritional supplements*

>

>>In 1992, it was revealed that the European Commission planned to

>>harmonize vitamin and mineral supplements throughout the European Union.

>

>>What the proposed legislation meant would have that only very weak dose

>>vitamin/mineral supplements could have been sold  - higher doses would

>>not be available unless they were classified as medicines, a procedure

>>too expensive for most vitamin companies.  The Medicines Act requires

>>laboratory and animal testing, sometimes for two years or more before a

>>licence is granted, this can add at least 10,000 to the cost of making a

>>product.

>

>>It was predicted that 95% of higher range vitamin and mineral supplements

>>could disappear from shops, and two out of three health shops could close

>>as a result of the plans.  Even cod liver oil could be affected as it

>>contains more than the proposed limit for vitamin D.

>

>>Thanks, however, to a public outcry and various media campaigns the 1992

>>proposals were abandoned: or so we thought!  It seems the matter had just

>>been put on the shelf only to await another opportunity to rear its

>>ugly head.  According to an article in the September 1995 edition

>>_Nutritional Therapy Today_, it seems that yet again rumblings are being

>>heard on this issue.  In reply to parliamentary questions and letters to

>>MPs enquiring about the European Commissions plans for dietary

>>supplements, it transpires that not only is there to be a further attempt

>>to legislate in this field but that our own (British) Government has been

>>extremely secretive about recent developments.

>

>>Many people require larger doses of vitamins and minerals either due to

>>certain illnesses or because they have severe deficiencies.  Many others

>>take higher dose supplements to combat some of the perils of modern

>>living such as pollution, stress, pesticides and food additives.  These

>>people would suffer if this legislation was to be passed.  The Institute

>>of Optimum Nutrition in London has much literature and many case

>>histories about the positive effects of higher dose supplements.  In

>>addition to the people whose health will be affected, many vitamin

>>companies could go out of business and jobs be lost.  Britain has many

>>excellent small vitamin companies providing an extremely efficient mail

>>order service of top quality products.  These companies excel in their

>>field and yet this heinous piece of legislation could see businesses like

>>these disappear.

>

>>And what of our Government?  It seems we cannot count on them to stand by

>>British business or the needs of our people.  Surely a healthier nation

>>means a more productive workforce and shorter queues at the Doctors? 

>>The huge public outcry of 1992 should have been enough for the Government

>>to have said no to Europe on this issue once and for all, but obviously

>>theyve just been waiting for the noise to die down before trying to

>>furtively sneak this poisonous piece of legislation through once again.

>

>>UK readers wishing to complain about this attempt to limit the

>>availability of nutritional supplements should write to their MPs at The

>>House of Commons, Westminster, London SW1A 0AA.



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k

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e

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: Wormwood: Proper Dosage

From: clancycrl@aol.com (ClancyCrl)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 04:00:16 -0400



Does anyone out there have experience with wormwwod and it's proper doses?

I'm looking to make Absynthe (of course) and the recipies and herbal texts

that I've consulted vary in dosages from 1tsp/pint to 1oz/pint. That's a

pretty big range. Any help or pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: re: Wormwood: Proper Dosage

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 23:00:09 GMT



If you are using the tops and leaves, cut small or granulated,

to 1 cupful of boiling water: take in wineglassful amounts 

three or four times a day. Of the tinture 5-30 drops three to four 

times a day, according to age and condition.



Hope this helps.



I also carry a very strong formula that has Artemisia absinthium in

it if you would like a catalog drop me you address and I will

be happy to send one to you.



In Health,





Robert Green,ND

docgreen@magicchain.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Feverfew for Migraines

From: filksing@alexus.cts.com (Filksinger)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:19:57



A while back there was some discussion on treating (and better yet, 

=preventing=) migraines with the herb feverfew.



Could people please repost the information, especially with regard to dosages?

Thanks in advance.



(PS - yes, I am also contacting local sources, have books on reserve, etc.

I'm trying to get information from a wide variety of sources to compare.)



... Choking on ANOTHER Xanth novel??? Apply the HEINLEIN MANEUVER!!!

___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: warriner@indirect.com (John Warriner)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 15:30:03 GMT



Not too long ago, a friend mentioned that he had heard about an

herbal treatment for kidney stones.  I've scanned the FAQs and

find no mention of such a thing.  Anyone have any clues?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: rimac@ix.netcom.com (Rima Cooke )

Date: 13 Oct 1995 01:42:49 GMT



In <45gntr$2up@globe.indirect.com> warriner@indirect.com (John

Warriner) writes: 

>

>Not too long ago, a friend mentioned that he had heard about an

>herbal treatment for kidney stones.  I've scanned the FAQs and

>find no mention of such a thing.  Anyone have any clues?



It's probably a legend. My husband gets them about once a year, and

believe me, would be happy if he never had another one again. In all

the information I've seen, none have mentioned any herbal remedies.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:59:18 GMT



One suggestion in avoiding them that worked for members of my family is 

avoiding iced tea. Evidently the tannins cause kidney stones for some 

people. Kind of a bummer on a hot summer day, but... kidney stones are a 

lot worse.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:07:48 GMT



Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:

>

> One suggestion in avoiding them that worked for members of my family is 

> avoiding iced tea. Evidently the tannins cause kidney stones for some 

> people. Kind of a bummer on a hot summer day, but... kidney stones are a 

> lot worse.

> Liz

> 

My urologist said to avoid tea, rhubarb, peanuts (other nuts are okay),

chocolate, and cola beverages.  And drink  at least* 64 ounces of

water daily.  I'm weak.  I still indulge in some of the above.  But

not as much as  previously. And I'm almost religious about the water.

No bad problems  since. I think I've had and passed a couple of stones

since, but not enough pain for even an ER visit, much less overnight

in the hospital again.  But I do have a very high pain tolerance, so

someone else (particularly a male,where the stones hurt all down from

the kidney as well as in it and leaving it.) might still have had to

at least see  the doctor. 

 

The above list is not complete.  I only recall the things I did* use

(except rhubarb, which I remembered because I can't even stand the

smell of it.).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: ssotona@mindspring.com (Shirley Sotona)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 03:02:39 -0400



In article <45o5sa$g3d@mixer.visi.com> cyli <cyli@visi.com> writes:

>From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

>Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

>Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:11:06 GMT



>z

>> 

>Oops.  Forgot the folklore herbal remedy.  Cranberry juices and/or

>pills.  Some say it's just that taking the juice adds more liquid to

>the body. Every nurse supervisor I've known has recommended it for

>any kidney infection or general complaint (other than such as cancer.)



I've read (sorry, forgot where) that one of the reasons cranberry juice seems 

to be helpful for kidney infections is that it helps prevent bacteria from 

sticking to the walls of the urethra.



Shirley



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:25:02 GMT



In message ID <45kg6p$6jl@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> on 10/12/95, Rima Cooke

wrote:



: In <45gntr$2up@globe.indirect.com> warriner@indirect.com (John

: Warriner) writes: 

: >

: >Not too long ago, a friend mentioned that he had heard about an

: >herbal treatment for kidney stones.  I've scanned the FAQs and

: >find no mention of such a thing.  Anyone have any clues?

: 

: It's probably a legend. My husband gets them about once a year, and

: believe me, would be happy if he never had another one again. In all

: the information I've seen, none have mentioned any herbal remedies.



There are several herbal preparations for kidney stones (ie, formulas  for

'Stone Lin' in East-Asian Traditional Healing). The common herb marshmallow

can help quite a bit, as I understand it. Homeopathic medicine can also be

quite effective. And acupuncture has a PROVEN capacity to dilate ducts.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dissolve/prevent kidney stones?

From: igloo@gate.net

Date: 13 Oct 1995 23:46:45 GMT



>   warriner@indirect.com (John Warriner) writes:

>  Not too long ago, a friend mentioned that he had heard about an

>  herbal treatment for kidney stones.  I've scanned the FAQs and

>  find no mention of such a thing.  Anyone have any clues?



        A few years ago, when I feared I might have them, a nurse suggested I avoid wat

er from the tap.

I can't remember which type water she suggested I drink, though - distilled, pur

ified, filtered, etc? The 

reason I am so forgetful is because I didn't  have kidney stones and am still dr

inking crummy water from 

the tap : )

        Eliska



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Question about Bee Pollen (sp)

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 16:07:27 GMT



I have heard from a number of sources that Bee Pollen is good for allergies.

Right now I am have a allergic reaction from the time I open my eyes in 

the moring to when I give in and take a Benedrly.  But I want to cut down 

on that becuse I want to save the Benedrly for when I realy need it.



So my question is if you allergies are most pollen or dust related like 

mine, is it possiable that you could be allergice to Bee Pollen.  If so 

how do you test it without putting your health in danger.



Gale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Question about Bee Pollen (sp)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:19:36 GMT



In article <45gq3v$c9f@tribune.usask.ca>,

   aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready) wrote:

>I have heard  that Bee Pollen is good for allergies.

>Right now I am have a allergic reaction from the time I open my eyes in 

>the moring to when I give in and take a Benedrly.  But I want to cut down 

>on that becuse I want to save the Benedrly for when I realy need it.

>

>So my question is if you allergies are most pollen or dust related like 

>mine, is it possiable that you could be allergice to Bee Pollen.  If so 

>how do you test it without putting your health in danger.



"Bee Pollen" is really PLANT pollen, collected by bees, and then removed

from the hives, packaged and marketed.

If you are allergic to the pollen of the flowers the bees are gathering

from, you can have a SEVERE allergic reaction.  AND, there is no way

to know what source of pollen the bees were using until it's too late.



If you wake up with symptoms .... check your bedroom!  there are books that

explain how to minimize household allergens ... basically you get rid of

dustcollectors and use non-dust catching fabrics for sheets and 

pillowcases.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca

Subject: Re: Question about Bee Pollen (sp)

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 15 Oct 1995 00:03:30 GMT



We sell a product called Royal Jelly Extract which is better than Bee 

Pollen and is terrific for ridding oneself of allergies, and it perfectly 

safe and all natural. We also have some Chinese Patent Formulas for 

allergies that really work. For more information E-mail us your address 

and we will send it right out. You can use either this address or 

east@wwa.com



Sincerely,





Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Cleaning Intestines

From: ead1@kepler.unh.edu (Erin A Dame)

Date: 11 Oct 95 16:49:09 GMT



Which herbs would be good for cleaning out the intestines?  

or possibly removing blockage from the colon?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Cleaning Intestines

From: mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:24:54 -0400



You might try a controled use of Psyllum seed or Casgara Segrada, or

perhaps some senna tea. However please remember that colon cleansing can

have some rather drastic results - so make sure you are ready in a very

practical sense!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Clinical Trial? Who has comprehensive list?

From: kavosh@dgsys.com (Kavosh Soltani)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:17:34 GMT



How would I go about finding information on current Clinical Trials (US and 

International).  I have contacted NCI, ACA, and a number of University 

hospitals; each seem to have a separate list, which may partially coincide.



Is there a comprehensive list maintained anywhere? (at least one for US)?



Thank you.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: belles facial paralysis

From: mamba@ix.netcom.com (ROBERT MAIDEN III )

Date: 11 Oct 1995 17:33:02 GMT



 A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:34:23 GMT



In message ID <45gv4e$c02@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> on 10/11/95, ROBERT MAIDEN

III wrote:



: A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

: side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx



Get him to an acupuncturist.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: Bowman@admin.njit.edu (Bill Bowman)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:21:41 GMT



In article <1079898078.136588506@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com wrote:



> In message ID <45gv4e$c02@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> on 10/11/95, ROBERT MAIDEN

> III wrote:

> 

> : A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

> : side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx

>

I had BP about two years ago, turns out it was a symptom of Lyme Disease,

for which I was treated right away. I would suggest a Lyme titer, just in

case, especially if your friend is having any body pains, or flu-like

symptoms, too. Don't go by that bull's-eye rash stuff, it doesn't always

happen (it didn't to me).



Bill.

Bowman@admin.njit.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: pandora3@ix.netcom.com (Cynthia C. Moseley)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 05:09:59 GMT



mamba@ix.netcom.com (ROBERT MAIDEN III ) wrote:





> A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

>side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx



Robert-

I had Bell's Palsey at one time.  I think the best thing that I did

was to get accupuncture,& chiropractic treatment.  The doctor also

gave me steroids so I'm not for sure which worked.  All that I know is

that I had no lasting paralysis.



In my heart, I think it was the accupuncture and Chiro.



In Light,

Cynthia 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:09:26 GMT



In article <45gv4e$c02@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>

           mamba@ix.netcom.com "ROBERT MAIDEN III " writes:



> 

>  A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

> side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx



A friend of mine developed this recently - terrified him at first; he thought

he'd had a minor stroke!  Anyhow, we did a lot of research, and found that in 

the majority of cases, Bell's Palsy is only temporary, lasting for a matter of 

weeks, with symptoms gradually fading over that period.



In a lesser number of cases, if the symptoms are not diminishing, then it's 

likely to be a permanent condition. 



Fortunately for my friend, his was the former category, and the only 

treatment he needed was to have an eyepatch on when he went to sleep. He's

fine now.



Acupuncture?  Well, nothing much to lose - only cash. It may work. On the

other hand, the BP may clear up of it's own accord whilst taking a/p

treatment. Who's to know?  

-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: bill.malcom@christnet.org (Bill Malcom)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:32:00 GMT



RMI>From: mamba@ix.netcom.com (ROBERT MAIDEN III )

RMI>Subject: belles facial paralysis





RMI> A friend of mine has developed belle's facial paralysis on the left

RMI>side of his face.Are there any  homeopathic treatments to recommend.thx



        Generally this malady is self limiting and we clear up on its

        own with ten-days to two weeks with no treatment.



---

 * SLMR 2.1a * Fear God and keep his commandments!  Ecclesiastes 12:13:)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: belles facial paralysis

From: ahtanner@jupiter.acs.oakland.edu (Andrea)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 16:59:30 GMT



Bill Malcom (bill.malcom@christnet.org) wrote:



:         Generally this malady is self limiting and we clear up on its

:         own with ten-days to two weeks with no treatment.



BALONEY!  I have Bells Palsy and have had it for 8 months.  I had EXTREME 

facial pain on the paralized side for about 2 months.  As the nerve began 

to heal (Basically, a facial nerve gets inflamed and causes temporary 

paralysis), the pain went away but the recovery of facial control has 

been VERY slow for me.  My uncle had it twice, and both times his 

recovery to full facial control was over 6 months.  I had to put 

artificial tears in my eyes for 6 months because my eyes did not tear or 

close properly, and had to use ointment at night.  make sure that your 

friend is aware of this (I am sure he is if he is going to a doc about 

it)...if the eye is not properly moistened it can cause corneal ulcers.  

There is this vaseline-like substance especially for the eyes (Lacrilube 

it is called) you can get at any drugstore that you put into the eye at 

night to keep it moisturized (because often you cannot close that one eye 

when you sleep).  



For the pain that I experienced (if I was hit or touched on that side of 

my face, it was very painful, and sleeping with the affected nerve puffed 

out and painful was a real chore), I found that getting one of those bags 

that have hte blue freeze fluid in it really helped the pain.  I would 

freeze that bag, wrap it in a towel, and then lie it on various parts of 

my face, and near the nerve.  That could get me to sleep at night.  I 

never found any herbs that worked any wonders though.



Andrea                                     ahtanner@jupiter.acs.oakland.edu

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP: Need cross references between ethnic botanical names.

From: "Victor M." <vm@shadow.net>

Date: 11 Oct 1995 18:25:31 GMT



 Is there a .faq that cross references herbs from different ethnic 

groups. 



Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP: Need cross references between ethnic botanical names.

From: Adam Van Wirdum <adamtfg@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 09:37:01 GMT



"Victor M." <vm@shadow.net> wrote:

>

>  Is there a .faq that cross references herbs from different ethnic 

> groups. 

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks.



There is a book that gives herb plant names in five european languages.

There is a need but it is the labour of Hercules.

> 

> 

> 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Sam Sapienza)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 14:49:21 -0400



I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras 

over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...



I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.



Can anyone confirm this to be true?  

What dosage is needed and how long in advance of the trip to begin taking?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: FocusNow@ix.netcom.com (Robert Keeney )

Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:43:15 GMT



In <45h3jh$3f5@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Sam

Sapienza) writes: 

>

>I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras



>over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

>No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...

>

>I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.

>

>Can anyone confirm this to be true?  

>What dosage is needed and how long in advance of the trip to begin

taking?

>

*************************************************

Oct. 11, 1995



Heard the same thing re: B2.



ALSO, heard that garlic repels insects. Of course, if NOT taken in the

correct form, repels everything else too.

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: cgh@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Carl Heinzl)

Date: 11 Oct 95 19:40:22



>ALSO, heard that garlic repels insects. Of course, if NOT taken in the

>correct form, repels everything else too.



Including vampires, but, the real test would be... 

what about travel agents??? :^)



-Carl-





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: mthacker@netcom.com (Michael Thacker)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:56:19 GMT



Sam Sapienza (sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:

: I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras 

: over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

: No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...



: I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.



Be sure to take some insect repellent along with you - like Deep Woods 

Off. There is a dengue fever outbreak in Central America which is carried 

by mosquitos. 

-- 

Mike Thacker                                 mthacker@netcom.com 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: sjaqua@ix.netcom.com (Scott Jaqua )

Date: 12 Oct 1995 18:18:36 GMT



In <mthackerDGC9Dv.8p0@netcom.com> mthacker@netcom.com (Michael

Thacker) writes: 

>

>Sam Sapienza (sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:

>: I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of

Honduras 

>: over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

>: No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...

>

>: I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel

them.

>

>Be sure to take some insect repellent along with you - like Deep Woods



>Off. There is a dengue fever outbreak in Central America which is

carried 

>by mosquitos. 

>-- 

>Mike Thacker                                 mthacker@netcom.com 



    If I may make a suggestion, I've talked to people that wore a flea

collar around each ankle, and they said that it works to keep the no

see ums off the ankles.

    Sandra Jaqua



///////





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: medintz@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Mike S. Medintz)

Date: 12 Oct 95 19:55:22 CDT



Sam Sapienza (sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu) wrote:

: I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras 

: over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

: No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...



: I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.



: Can anyone confirm this to be true?  

: What dosage is needed and how long in advance of the trip to begin taking?



My own experience in Honduras was that the bugs weren't that bad. Of course,

that was in June through August and at about 3000'.



Scabies _ARE_ something of a problem. Good hygene, especially in areas where

clothing rubs up against skin, is an absolute must.



Mike S. Medintz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: chingliu@chop.ugcs.caltech.edu (Ching Liu)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 23:53:44 GMT



Has anyone here actually tried just taking Vitamin B2 to keep the bugs

away?  Basically, I'm asking for any firsthand experience you might

have as opposed to just, "I heard it works great."



-- 

Ching Liu,  chingliu@ugcs.caltech.edu, http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~chingliu/

"To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield" -Tennyson

Check out the Caltech Ballroom Dance Club Web Page!

http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~chingliu/Ballroom.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: Jon Mitchell <mug@perth.otago.ac.nz>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:19:12 +1300



On 11 Oct 1995, Sam Sapienza wrote:



> I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras 

> over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

> No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...

> 

> I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.



Hey Sam.



I haven't used v-B12 myself but I have seen numerous others who have.  

Guiding in New Zealand's Fiordland (where "sand flies" have been known to 

carry off sheep) I met plenty of US hikers who had been mega-dosing on 

B12 for months before their trip.  There seemed to be absolutely zero 

difference between the number and severity of bites between those who had 

used B12 and those who hadn't.



Probably of no use what so ever - just another observation from downunder.

  

Cheers 

+----------------------+------------------------------------------+

 Jon Mitchell               email:   mug@perth.otago.ac.nz

 Teaching Fellow            fax:     +64-3-479-9037

 Dept. Geography            voice:   +64-3-479-8762

 Otago University           postal:  Box 56, Dunedin, NEW ZEALAND

+----------------------+------------------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: stenberg@cc.Helsinki.FI (Dag Stenberg)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:54:07 GMT



Jon Mitchell (mug@perth.otago.ac.nz) wrote:

} On 11 Oct 1995, Sam Sapienza wrote:

} > I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.



} I haven't used v-B12 myself but I have seen numerous others who have.  



Probably not B12!

B2 seems reasonable. People here say that a strong B vitamin mixture 

repels mosquitoes - this is second-hand info. Never heard it was 

the B2, but if that is the B vitamin that stinks, then why not.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: hawkeye@gate.net (Bill Dueease)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:26:01 -0500



In article <Pine.ULT.3.91.951014131300.16368A-100000@perth.otago.ac.nz>,

Jon Mitchell <mug@perth.otago.ac.nz> wrote:



> On 11 Oct 1995, Sam Sapienza wrote:

> 

> > I'm planning a week of scuba diving in the Bay Islands off of Honduras 

> > over Thanksgiving.  I'm told that the bugs there are horrific.  

> > No-see-ums attacking the ankles, etc...

> > 

> > I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.

> 

> Hey Sam.

> 

> I haven't used v-B12 myself but I have seen numerous others who have.  

> Guiding in New Zealand's Fiordland (where "sand flies" have been known to 

> carry off sheep) I met plenty of US hikers who had been mega-dosing on 

> B12 for months before their trip.  There seemed to be absolutely zero 

> difference between the number and severity of bites between those who had 

> used B12 and those who hadn't.

> 

> Probably of no use what so ever - just another observation from downunder.

>   

> Cheers 

Jon Mitchell



> Say Hey Jon



I participated in an invitational Golf Tournament on the Milford Track,

and found that vast quantities of DB Brown significantly reduced the

Itchyxness and irritation of the famous Fiordland Sand Flies.



Of Course DIMP and full clothing will help in preventing sand flies from biting.



We did see a Flying Fiordland DEER being flown away by a large mob (or

whatever you call them) of sand flies, the poor thing had'nt had its

monthly DIMP Dip.



BTW the No See Em's that we have here in Florida are in reality a much

smaller cousin of your Fiordland Sand Fly, and your sand fly is much more

aggressive. Thank God!



Have Fun



-- 

Bill Dueease 

Your Internet RASK site

hawkeye@gate.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: pete@mudhead.uottawa.ca (Pete Hickey)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 04:24:22 GMT



In article <45h3jh$3f5@umcc.umcc.umich.edu>,

Sam Sapienza <sapienza@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> wrote:

>

>I'm also told that if you take Vitamin B2 it will help to repel them.

>

>Can anyone confirm this to be true?  

>What dosage is needed and how long in advance of the trip to begin taking?

>



I had heard the same thing.  I wasn't too sure about the number,

though, B2, B12, whatever, so I took some B--complex which had

all of them.  I went for a day, and, sure enough, I didn't get

many bites at all.



Then I thought, maybe this was just a light bug year.  So the next

day, I didn't take the B*, and guess what?  I didn't get many bites

either.



But then I thought that maybe that day was a supre light bug day.

I had no *real* control.  I devised an experiment.



I broke the vitamins in half, and swallowed them on my left side

while lieing on my left side, to make sure they stayed on the left.

I stayed like that for a while to make sure the vitamins went to the

left, and not the right.



Guess what?  I didn't get any fewer bites on either side.



Conclusion:  For me, the vitamins did nothing other than making

me piss bright yellow.



-pete



P.S.  the bright yellow piss *was* effective for killing bugs

when aimed at them.



-- 

Pete Hickey               |                         |  

Communication Services    | Pete@mudhead.uottawa.CA | "Take off your shoes....

University of Ottawa      |                         |  .... for industry!"

Ottawa,Ont. Canada K1N 6N5|  (613) 562-5800x1008    |  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Take Vitamin B2 to Repel Insects?

From: MO <ppyjmso@ppn3.notts.ac.uk>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 19:07:31 GMT



  I have it on good authority if you drink enough vodka mosi leave you 

alone. He had few problems working around the red sea. Damn expensive 

getting pissed when he got back though. Awesome alchol tolerance level



MO





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: maxwell@fnalv.fnal.gov (what does THIS button do?)

Date: 11 Oct 95 13:54:40 -0600



U'm rilly bummed, because i found out that one of my favorite plants, in the

backyard is Pokeweed, a poisonous plant. :-\ 



The birds love its beautiful purple berries... heh.



I checked w/ my local zoning office, and found that it's _not_ a "destroy on

sight kind of plant", but should I cut it down anyway? 



If some stupid kid comes in my yard and pigs out on my pokeweed berries, is sie

gonna croak or just puke purple vomit?



Was pokeweed ever used for _anything_? What kind of poison does it contain, and

what are the symptoms, treatment for it?



why is it called Pokeweed?



.max

no, really -- wild blueberries...





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: peterstj@ix.netcom.com (Peter Saint James)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:44:22 GMT



maxwell@fnalv.fnal.gov (what does THIS button do?) wrote:



>U'm rilly bummed, because i found out that one of my favorite plants, in the

>backyard is Pokeweed, a poisonous plant. :-\ 



>The birds love its beautiful purple berries... heh.



>I checked w/ my local zoning office, and found that it's _not_ a "destroy on

>sight kind of plant", but should I cut it down anyway? 



>If some stupid kid comes in my yard and pigs out on my pokeweed berries, is sie

>gonna croak or just puke purple vomit?



>Was pokeweed ever used for _anything_? What kind of poison does it contain, and

>what are the symptoms, treatment for it?





        You have poke in your back yard?  You lucky person.  Poke is a fine

delicacy.  You must live in the South of Mid Atlantic States.  When I

lived around Washington. D.C., the poke appreciator used to go around

looking for good poke sites in parks and vacant lots and people's

lawns.  



        Here's the story:  Eat poke only in May (actually, you can start in

April and might make it to mid June, depending on where you live).

Cut off the new, tender, shoots.  When the get big is when they get

too poisonous.  Wash them.  



        Put them in boiling water.  Boil (actually at a low boil, almost

simmer) for a few minutes (3-5) depending on how big they are.  Take

them out.  Throw that water away.  Put them in new boiling water and

cook again for a few minutes until tender.  Throw this water away too.

Serve.  They taste like a cross between asparagus and spinach.  



        Sooooooooo gooooood.   You lucky person.  Poke doesn't grow on the

West Coast.



        



     Peter Saint James

          Author of Letter from a Busy Street: Traffic vs People

               and Shoestrings: Spiritual Learning Stories



                    Take a look for yourself:

                    http://www.europa.com/khabir





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: ljames@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us (Laura James)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:19:16 -0500



You can make ink from the berries.



what does THIS button do? (maxwell@fnalv.fnal.gov) wrote:

: U'm rilly bummed, because i found out that one of my favorite plants, in the

: backyard is Pokeweed, a poisonous plant. :-\ 



: The birds love its beautiful purple berries... heh.



: I checked w/ my local zoning office, and found that it's _not_ a "destroy on

: sight kind of plant", but should I cut it down anyway? 



: If some stupid kid comes in my yard and pigs out on my pokeweed berries, is si

e

: gonna croak or just puke purple vomit?



: Was pokeweed ever used for _anything_? What kind of poison does it contain, an

d

: what are the symptoms, treatment for it?



: why is it called Pokeweed?



: .max

: no, really -- wild blueberries...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: amintel@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Christopher Green)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 16:37:26 -0700



In article <45hqek$2cv@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us>,

Laura James <ljames@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us> wrote:

>You can make ink from the berries.

>

>what does THIS button do? (maxwell@fnalv.fnal.gov) wrote:

>: U'm rilly bummed, because i found out that one of my favorite plants, in the

>: backyard is Pokeweed, a poisonous plant. :-\ 

>

>: The birds love its beautiful purple berries... heh.

>

>: I checked w/ my local zoning office, and found that it's _not_ a "destroy on

>: sight kind of plant", but should I cut it down anyway? 

>

>: If some stupid kid comes in my yard and pigs out on my pokeweed berries, is s

ie

>: gonna croak or just puke purple vomit?

>

>: Was pokeweed ever used for _anything_? What kind of poison does it contain, a

nd

>: what are the symptoms, treatment for it?

>

>: why is it called Pokeweed?

>

>: .max

>: no, really -- wild blueberries...



Pokeweed is one of those plants that sits right on the line between edible

and poisonous.



The young shoots are edible, until they start turning red; thereafter, they

are poisonous.  They are eaten as greens mainly in the South, under the name

"poke salet".



The berries are edible when cooked and may be used in pies; one writer 

describes pokeberry pie as "of equivocal quality"; the juice is also a dye.



The root is poisonous but usable in small doses as a laxative.  It was well

known to the Native Americans.  It is not one of the better choices for this

use nowadays, because it is also somewhat narcotic, and an overdose could be

fatal.



A great-grandmother recalled growing up in a town where pokeweed was eaten.

The school in her town allowed this, but the school in the next town would

send children home if they came in smelling of pokeweed.



I think the worst thing that could happen to the neighbor kids if they chowed

down on the berries is that they would get a case of the runs that would

ensure that they never repeated the experience.



Chris Green

San Juan Capistrano, CA

amintel@kaiwan.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: wellpark@ihug.co.nz (Phillip Cottingham)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 05:38:12 GMT



In article <45hqek$2cv@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us>, ljames@darkstar.rsa.lib.il.us (L

aura James) says:

>

>You can make ink from the berries.

>

>what does THIS button do? (maxwell@fnalv.fnal.gov) wrote:

>: U'm rilly bummed, because i found out that one of my favorite plants, in the

>: backyard is Pokeweed, a poisonous plant. :-\ 

>

>: The birds love its beautiful purple berries... heh.

>

>: I checked w/ my local zoning office, and found that it's _not_ a "destroy on

>: sight kind of plant", but should I cut it down anyway? 

>

>: If some stupid kid comes in my yard and pigs out on my pokeweed berries, is s

ie

>: gonna croak or just puke purple vomit?

>

>: Was pokeweed ever used for _anything_? What kind of poison does it contain, a

nd

>: what are the symptoms, treatment for it?

>

>: why is it called Pokeweed?

>

>: .max

>: no, really -- wild blueberries...

Pokeweed, if used with great care, in very small doses is a wonderful cleanser

for the lymphatic system. Used in Homoeopathy it will take away nodular swelling

s

of the lymphatic system. This is just a samll sample of its wonderful

effects.

EM me, if you have some specific inquiry.

Regards

Phillip Cottingham Medical Herbalist



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: msr@news.infi.net (Martin Smith-Rodden)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 02:32:24 GMT



: Pokeweed, if used with great care, in very small doses is a wonderful cleanser

: for the lymphatic system. Used in Homoeopathy it will take away nodular swelli

ngs

: of the lymphatic system. This is just a samll sample of its wonderful

: effects.

: EM me, if you have some specific inquiry.

: Regards

: Phillip Cottingham Medical Herbalist



That ain't all it will clean out... 



When harvested just sprouting out of the ground it can cook down like

spinach, and we as starving college students used to eat it all the time

near the University of Maryland... Poached, with garlic and butter. Yum. 



Annyways, that was until we harvested it a little

too late one time, and then it became an extremely, EXTREEEEEEMELY

strong laxative... 



I don't recommend it... 



;-)



cheers,

msr

--

Martin Smith-Rodden, photojournalist       msr@infi.net

The Virginian-Pilot & Ledger-Star          The attached is my opinion...  

150 West Brambleton Avenue                 

Norfolk, VA. 23510                             ... not that of my employer. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:30:44 GMT



Well, I'm in the process of trying to hunt down some of the info on 

poison and edibility of pokeweed myself (and have yet to get more than a 

vague answer about what kind of poison, etc.) Pokeweed berries can be 

used to produce dye (we always made war paint with them as kids), and the 

early shoots can be cooked and eaten as spring greens-- standard fare in 

the hills around here-- at least for those in the know. Poke greens and 

scrambled eggs. As I've only recently learned about its use as food I 

couldn't comment on the flavor... I have heard references to pokeberry 

pie and to poke jelly as well, but never have gotten a clear answer on 

how this might be prepared. I was always warned away from this plant and 

suspect that if the berries are in fact edible they may need a lot of 

preparation first (much like acorns...). But of course they used to say 

that about the tomato, too! Let me know if you find out any details on 

the poison!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 01:51:58 GMT



In article <45j1pk$pfe@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,

   Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:



>Well, I'm in the process of trying to hunt down some of the info on 

>poison and edibility of pokeweed myself (and have yet to get more than a 

>vague answer about what kind of poison, etc.) 



Does having a common name of "vomitroot" give you a clue?  Poke has a

very powerful emetic ... except that the young shoots can be blanched

and the toxin removed.  Old leaves, and any roots are loaded with it.  

Emetic dose of poke root 0.5-2.0 GRAMS of dried root.



The berries may be edible - none of the gardening encyclopedias had any

warnings about toxic berries, but they did mention the roots.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What to do w/ Pokeweed?

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:57:00 -0640



-> Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:

->

-> >Well, I'm in the process of trying to hunt down some of the info on

-> >poison and edibility of pokeweed myself (and have yet to get more

-> than a >vague answer about what kind of poison, etc.)

->

-> Does having a common name of "vomitroot" give you a clue?  Poke has a

-> very powerful emetic ... except that the young shoots can be blanched

-> and the toxin removed.  Old leaves, and any roots are loaded with it.

-> Emetic dose of poke root 0.5-2.0 GRAMS of dried root.

->

-> The berries may be edible - none of the gardening encyclopedias had

-> any warnings about toxic berries, but they did mention the roots.

->

-> Callie

        The berries make an excellent ink frequently used in 19th

century America. I'm not sure if mordant or shellac was added to

increase perminance, the examples of calligraphy done with this ink that

I have seen were a faded brown-violet but quite legible after 150+

years.      Bella



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: question about juniper berries

From: dkackman@soils.umn.edu (Donald Kackman)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:09:22 GMT



Hell there,



I am thinking about brewing a batch of beer flavored with juniper berries. I 

have a pretty good idea about the recipe I want to use except for one thing. 

I don't know when juniper berries are ripe.



I was hoping somebody in this group would be able to tell me. I live in 

Minnesota (USDA zone 4) and there are many varieties of Junipers to choose 

from.



I guess my main question is: When's the best time to harvest and should I be 

looking for a particular variety?



Any help is VERY GREATLY appreciated.



Don Kackman

dkackman@soils.umn.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginko dosage

From: "K. Jones" <kejones@u.washington.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:47:43 -0700





I'm interested in trying ginko for memory improvement.  Does anyone know 

what the recommended dosage is for this?  Can too much be harmful? (I'm 

not talking mega doses)



Thanks!



Karin



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginko dosage

From: Chris Griffin <chris@olive.ece.utexas.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:07:01 -0500



On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, K. Jones wrote:



> 

> I'm interested in trying ginko for memory improvement.  Does anyone know 

> what the recommended dosage is for this?  Can too much be harmful? (I'm 

> not talking mega doses)



I have taken GInkgo in varying doses for the last year.   Ususally I

take it in tincture form, as this allows me to really vary the dosage.



I have taken megadoses, with the only result being a slight headache

and a feeling of disorientation.   That is how you know you took to

much!   So up that dosage, you will like the effects!



Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ginko dosage

From: laidbak@ibm.net

Date: 21 Oct 1995 23:20:49 GMT



In <Pine.A32.3.91j.951011134529.114621B-100000@homer14.u.washington.edu>, "K. Jo

nes" <kejones@u.washington.edu> writes:

>

>I'm interested in trying ginko for memory improvement.  Does anyone know 

>what the recommended dosage is for this?  Can too much be harmful? (I'm 

>not talking mega doses)

>

>Thanks!

>

>Karin



I have been taking 150mg in 3 50mg doses per day (they say it leaves your 

system within 6 hrs.) along with a lot of other stuff. It does seem to help my

memory and concentration. I had to take it for quite a while, maybe a month

before I noticed any improvement. The only harmful effect I've heard of is high

blood pressure in some people (I understand it acts as a blood thinner).



I have read that memory is a complicated thing, 4 different types of memory -

long term, short term, event, and procedure memory. I'm no expert, but I 

understand that what you need to take and/or do depends on which type of 

memory you want to improve.  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Beeswax Ointment

From: knox@grfn.org (Vaughn R. Hamilton)

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:28:53 -0500



Could someone give me a recipe/directions for making beeswax ointment.  We

used to get it from a hospital pharmacy, but they've stopped carrying it. 

If I can get the ingredients necessary, I'd like to make it myself.  It is

wonderfully healing for skin irritations.



Thanks!

____________________

Vaughn R. Hamilton

knox@grfn.org









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Beeswax Ointment

From: ewhitevhp@aol.com (EWhiteVHP)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:16:32 -0400



Excerpts from the book:

"Super Formulas, Arts & Crafts: How to make 360 useful products that

contain

honey & beeswax" 120-page book by Elaine C. White Copyright 1993 ISBN

0-9637539-7-5

Available from bookstores, libraries and directly from the publisher.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Petroleum Jelly



Petroleum jelly is easy to make and it is an ingredient of many other

products. Naturalists may substitute a natural oil, such as grapeseed oil

or

sweet almond oil, for the baby or mineral oil to create an "un-petroleum"

jelly.



1 ounce (weight) beeswax

1/2 cup baby or mineral oil



Melt the beeswax in a microwave or a double boiler. Stir in the mineral

oil.

Remove the mixture from the heat and stir until cool.

----------------------------------------------------------------

Skin Cream



2 1/2 ounces (weight) beeswax

4 ounces (weight) lanolin

2/3 cup baby or mineral oil

3/4 cup water

1 teaspoon borax (sodium borate, CP)

Fragrant essential oil (optional)



Melt the oil, lanolin and beeswax to 160 degrees F. Heat the borax and

water

in a separate container to 160 degrees F. Be sure the beeswax is melted

and

the borax is dissolved. Add the water mixture to the oil mixture while

stirring. When a white cream forms, stir slowly until the mixture cools to

100 degrees F. Pour the cream into small, wide-mouth jars.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Beeswax Polish



Beeswax furniture polish with its soft, satin shine is considered the

ultimate in wood care.



4 ounces (weight) beeswax

2 tablespoons carnauba wax

2 1/2 cups odorless turpentine



Melt the waxes on high in a microwave or in a double boiler. Remove the

waxes

from the heat and stir in the turpentine. Apply the polish with a clean

cloth

and rub in small circles. Turn the cloth as it becomes dirty. Allow the

polish to dry, then buff with a clean cloth. If more than one coat is

desired, wait 2 days between applications.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Lip Gloss



Lipstick colors this easy formula for lip gloss. This is a good way to use

lipstick that is too dark because the gloss will be a lighter color.



1 teaspoon grated beeswax

1/2 teaspoon lipstick

1/2 teaspoon petroleum jelly



Melt the ingredients in a small can placed in boiling water. Stir it well

and

pour it into a small jar.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Dispersing Bath Oil



Most bath oils simply float on water. Dispersing bath oil mixes evenly

with

water, clings to skin and forms a thin, even coating.



1 whole egg

1/2 cup baby or mineral oil

2 teaspoons liquid detergent

1/4 cup vodka

2 tablespoons honey

1/4 cup whole milk

Fragrant essential oil (optional)

Liquid food coloring (optional)



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Growing ginseng

From: delayneg@aol.com (Delayneg)

Date: 11 Oct 1995 20:08:49 -0400



We are researching the possibility of growing ginseng or other medicinal

herbs on our acreage in Hood River Valley in Oregon.  I've been told that

the soil and climate are perfect here and that you can make $150,000 on

1/2 acre after 4 years.  

Could this be true?  I would love contacts, resources for growing.

Thanks

send email to delayneg@aol.com or respond here.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Growing ginseng

From: tommyg@netvoyage.net (Tommy g)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 14:25:10 GMT



In article <45hmah$8hm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   delayneg@aol.com (Delayneg) wrote:

>   growing ginseng ... make $150,000 1/2 acre after 4 years.  



I recently read article on ginseng production in I think Canada...either 

printed in Los Angeles Times or New York Times (Sunday edition).  You may want 

to search those newspapers over last two weeks at library.



If $150K is possible, it means supply is short, demand high and opportunity 

for success limited (therefore short supply).  Price sounds like come-on if 

somebody wants you to buy the starting materials from them...



an opinion



tom / los angeles area





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Growing ginseng

From: Chuck <cci.ltd@internetmci.com>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:58:18 GMT



if it was so good 'n easy to do and made so much cash the big 

boys'd be doing it.  The big boys in the herb business.



Careful they'll git you EVERY time.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Growing ginseng

From: foodwerks@aol.com (Foodwerks)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 03:56:39 -0400



Ginseng growing can be a good crop.  There is a trade group in Wisconsin

for ginseng growers.  Contact Hsu's Ginseng in Wausau, WI for information.



Also, if you are interested in growing other herbs---contact Lon Johnson

at Trout Lake Farms in Trout Lake, OR.  They are one of the largest

domestic suppliers of herbs in the US and buy from other farmers.  



___________________________________________________________________

Mary C. Mulry

FoodWise, Inc.

P.O. Box 89

Hygiene, CO 80533-0089



(303) 651-6566

(303) 651-3593



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: foodwerks@aol.com

Subject: Re: Growing ginseng

From: Cathy LeFevre <clefevre@tcd.net>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:18:20 GMT



Do you have addresses for the people you recommend contacting.  I like to 

grow my own herbs and would mind trying to grow ginseng.



Cathy LeFevre



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Horse chestnut reference

From: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:11:55 GMT



Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:

>Kathy Buchanan <kbuchanan@am.ncr.forestry.ca> wrote:

>>asolovyo@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (ariadna a solovyova) wrote:

>>>



I remember reading a good comentary on horse chestnut in "The Male

Herbal." As I recall they are a exceptional tonic for the prostate

gland. However they have a toxic potential.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: horse chestnuts used as male tonic?

From: "libmono2@cerf.net" <ATLAS@COMPUMEDIA.COM>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:16:59 GMT



I recall reading in "The Male Herbal" about the use of horse chestnuts

as a superior tonic for the prostate gland. Still I'd beware of the

toxic potential. I'd recommend this reference as quite comprehesive on

this particular herb.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Hepatitis B?

From: franco@storage.tandem.com (mau_franco)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:20:25 GMT



Are there any herbal treatment for hepatitis B?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Hepatitis B?

From: linh@cv.hp.com (linh tu)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:28:20 GMT



: Are there any herbal treatment for hepatitis B?



   yes . it is called Phyllanthus amarus . you can read about it

   in sci.med.hepatitis in a thread call "herbal cure " . 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chamomile Questions

From: raedward@vt.edu (Rance Edwards)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 00:43:43 GMT



Forgive me if I spelled Chamomile wrong! :) A friend of mine has been 

using cham. tea before sleep as a soporific. She reported having strange 

dreams.. is this a normal side effect of chamomile? What are the side 

effects of Cham. Tea? if any. Thanks in advance for any help. Email me or 

post here.

Rance Edwards

raedward@vt.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chamomile Questions

From: kcarlson@netcom.com (Kathy Carlson)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:27:27 GMT



Rance Edwards (raedward@vt.edu) wrote:

: Forgive me if I spelled Chamomile wrong! :) A friend of mine has been 

: using cham. tea before sleep as a soporific. She reported having strange 

: dreams.. is this a normal side effect of chamomile? What are the side 

: effects of Cham. Tea? if any. Thanks in advance for any help. Email me or 

: post here.

: Rance Edwards

: raedward@vt.edu



I'm allergic to ragweed & can't drink it or suffer chest pains.  Allergies

would be the only reason to stay away from it that I know of.



Kathy

-- 

                                             kcarlson@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chamomile Questions

From: dnoche@wco.com (Carol Taylor)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:30:49 GMT



Remember what his mother gave Peter Rabbit?  Beatrix Potter was, among 

other things, a noted botanist who had some drawings accepted by the 

British scientific community at the time.  Problem was her being a woman 

- it's likely that her herbal/botanical knowlege would have provided her 

professional standing except for the sexism of the time.



Her children's books are interesting glimmers into this.  In another book 

it's mentioned that Peter Rabbit's mom sells herbs and there's a picture 

of her in a little "street" booth.



Kathy Carlson (kcarlson@netcom.com) wrote:

: Rance Edwards (raedward@vt.edu) wrote:

: : Forgive me if I spelled Chamomile wrong! :) A friend of mine has been 

: : using cham. tea before sleep as a soporific. She reported having strange 

: : dreams.. is this a normal side effect of chamomile? What are the side 

: : effects of Cham. Tea? if any. Thanks in advance for any help. Email me or 

: : post here.

: : Rance Edwards

: : raedward@vt.edu



: I'm allergic to ragweed & can't drink it or suffer chest pains.  Allergies

: would be the only reason to stay away from it that I know of.



: Kathy

: -- 

:                                              kcarlson@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Marijuana Myth Busters - Partnership for Tr

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 01:25:46 GMT



In message ID <247@patient.win.net> on 10/10/95, GEORGE MCMAHON wrote:



: As one of eight people still allowed to use marijuana as med. in the 

: usa. I am aware of several other patients as well as myself who, keep 

: track of the effect of smoking marijuana on our lungs. I have talked to 

: two of them after they had lung biopsy's both were told that their lungs

: were pink and healthy. My lungs remain clear as long as I do not smoke 

: tobbacco. It seems the body is able to absorb the marijuana much easier 

: than tobbacco. So the argument changes again. Show me evidence that 

: applies to marijuana, not tobbacco. I know that a search was made in the

: u.s. War dept. No deaths can be found that even mention lung damage due 

: to marijuana.  I have smoked 1 qtr. oz. a day for five years. I do not 

: have cancer or any other smoking desease.



Wow. ONE INDIVIDUAL. I guess we can all toke up in absolute safety, hmmm?



Marijuana is bad for HEALTHY people if consumed on a regular basis. Since you

are already sick, it may not matter.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tooth infection

From: splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:31:03 GMT



Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a 

visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything

else that might help? 

Sylvia Plotnikoff





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: cyli <cyli@visi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 10:55:33 GMT



splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff) wrote:

>

> Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

> tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a 

> visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything

> else that might help? 

 

In* your tooth or in the surrounding tissue?  If inside the tooth or

in the enamel,  I'm afraid you will  have to visit the  dentist.

If in the tissue surrounding, maybe Echinacea will help. As might

salt water rinses or herbal rinses.  Keep it well cleaned and flossed

and watch out for extreme reddening or any of the tissue getting 

very puffy or white or discharging goop.



Good luck

Cyli





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: hrbs4hlth@aol.com (HRBS4HLTH)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 05:59:31 -0400



Try some goldenseal with the echinacea internally (you'll need to take

quite a bit, probably double to triple whatever's on the label - get a

good "organic" product.  Get some tea tree oil and put just a few drops in

water and swish it around the tooth.  Warm salt water is soothing (the

only purpose for sodium chloride!).



Sheila



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:16:57 GMT



cyli <cyli@visi.com> wrote:



>splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff) wrote:

>>

>> Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

>> tooth?     (((snip)))

>In* your tooth or in the surrounding tissue?  If inside the tooth or

>in the enamel,  I'm afraid you will  have to visit the  dentist.

>If in the tissue surrounding, maybe Echinacea will help. As might

>salt water rinses or herbal rinses.  Keep it well cleaned and flossed

>and watch out for extreme reddening or any of the tissue getting 

>very puffy or white or discharging goop.

>Good luck

>Cyli

Excellent advice, Cyli!



Also, if it is the wisdom tooth, There may not be enough room for it

to erupt into the mouth and allow porper maintance, ie brush/flossing,

and that may require removal.   Emphasis on the word *may*.

Each situation is different, and it all depends on how the tooth is

sitting in relation to the others.



However, it doesn't really sound like the problem will ever really go

away, just abate for awhile and then return to rear its ugly head

again, possibly worse the next time around.  That is, if it is a

wisdom tooth sitting awry.

Checking with a dentist, is, unfortunately, the best idea. :-(



Best of luck.



--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: ccjs@sun.cse.bris.ac.uk (J. Simpson)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:30:48 GMT



Well I had an abcess under a tooth on my lower right side,

given antibiotics for it twice, temporary cure, next time

told it had to go.

Same thing happened other side, tooth squishy, v. painfull,

oozing goo. In desparation, not fancying loosing another one

bought loose Echinacea root, and chewed some. Very interesting

experience. Second day and some three doses later felt no worse,

perhaps a bit better. Five days all came good. My first

experience of Echinacea. I have since tried it when I'm surrounded

by people with streaming colds (and get the cold aura myself) with

success. Am now growing my own Echinacea, so as to get the

fresh herb, not something that has been on the shelf for a long

time. Self treatment is no substitute for professional advice,

but in what appears to be a non life threatening situation it's

worth trying herbal remedies, perhaps as an adjunct to mainstream

orthodox medical treatment. By the way have had no success with

the tincture. There is a recommendation not to take Echinacea

continuously.



CB Leek (cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca) wrote:

: cyli <cyli@visi.com> wrote:



: >splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff) wrote:

: >>

: >> Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

: >> tooth?     (((snip)))

: >In* your tooth or in the surrounding tissue?  If inside the tooth or

: >in the enamel,  I'm afraid you will  have to visit the  dentist.

: >If in the tissue surrounding, maybe Echinacea will help. As might

: >salt water rinses or herbal rinses.  Keep it well cleaned and flossed

: >and watch out for extreme reddening or any of the tissue getting 

: >very puffy or white or discharging goop.

: >Good luck

: >Cyli

: Excellent advice, Cyli!



: Also, if it is the wisdom tooth, There may not be enough room for it

: to erupt into the mouth and allow porper maintance, ie brush/flossing,

: and that may require removal.   Emphasis on the word *may*.

: Each situation is different, and it all depends on how the tooth is

: sitting in relation to the others.



: However, it doesn't really sound like the problem will ever really go

: away, just abate for awhile and then return to rear its ugly head

: again, possibly worse the next time around.  That is, if it is a

: wisdom tooth sitting awry.

: Checking with a dentist, is, unfortunately, the best idea. :-(



: Best of luck.



: --

: *** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

: *** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





--

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: 100651.1524@compuserve.com (Simon Hudson)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:41:20 GMT



splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff) wrote:



>Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

>tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a 

>visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything

>else that might help? 

>Sylvia Plotnikoff



A traditional remedy is to apply a few drops of oil of cloves to the

tooth, or alternatively simply place a clove in your mouth next to the

tooth for a few mins.



Best Wishes



Simon

Liverpool, UK



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: Mark_Perin@RedwoodFN.org (Mark Perin)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 18:11:35 GMT



>Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

>tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a 

>visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything

>else that might help? 

>Sylvia Plotnikoff



:A traditional remedy is to apply a few drops of oil of cloves to the

:tooth, or alternatively simply place a clove in your mouth next to the

:tooth for a few mins.





My understanding is that cloves or oil of cloves numbs the sight, (ie: keeps

the pain down) but does nothing to actually heal the tooth.  I very well may

be wrong and ask for any additional clarification.



Mark Perin





Northern California



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 12:48:49 GMT



Mark_Perin@RedwoodFN.org (Mark Perin) wrote:



>:A traditional remedy is to apply a few drops of oil of cloves to the

>:tooth, or alternatively simply place a clove in your mouth next to the

>:tooth for a few mins.



>My understanding is that cloves or oil of cloves numbs the sight, (ie: keeps

>the pain down) but does nothing to actually heal the tooth.  I very well may

>be wrong and ask for any additional clarification.



>Mark Perin

>Northern California



Oil of Cloves, or Eugenol (the dentist uses it under this name), is an

obtundant.  It works for tooth decay on a tooth where there is wide

open decay.  

It soothes the tooth (numbs), but does NOT cure it.  Therefore, it is

good for a short term until you can get to the dentist.

It is not for use on gum tissue because it can burn sometimes, and

some people can be quite allergic!  Besides, doesn't really work.



For gum infections, echinacea may assist your immune system, but it is

still not attacking the cause.  Discover the cause - then attack with

the right weapons.  Discovering the cause likely requires the visit to

the dentist!  

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: splotnik@awinc.com (Sylvia Plotnikoff)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 05:23:05 GMT



Thank for your responses;



I tried Echinecea and it cleared it up within a couple of days.

It tastes awful but was preferable to antibiotics and having

my wisdom teeth extracted (the dentist keeps trying to convince

me to do this)

Sylvia Plotnikoff









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:23:48 GMT



Does anyone know where I can get some fresh echinachea root in Chicago? 

It seems to be more difficult to come by than I feared.



I can get capsules, powder, juice (in alcohol, ick), but no fresh root.  

If anyone has a suggestion, I'd be most appreciative.



Cheers. THanks.



Meliss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: Mark_Perin@RedwoodFN.org (Mark Perin)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 18:17:09 GMT



>Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom 

>tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a 

>visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything

>else that might help? 

>Sylvia Plotnikoff



:A traditional remedy is to apply a few drops of oil of cloves to the

:tooth, or alternatively simply place a clove in your mouth next to the

:tooth for a few mins.





My understanding is that cloves or oil of cloves numbs the sight, (ie: keeps

the pain down) but does nothing to actually heal the tooth.  I very well may

be wrong and ask for any additional clarification.



Mark Perin





Mark Perin



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tooth infection

From: worlock2@nyc.pipeline.com (Rich Schmitt)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 23:00:25 -0400



>Would taking Echinacea help to heal a minor infection in my wisdom  

>tooth? I would like to keep it from getting any worse and avoid a  

>visit to the dentist for antibiotics.  Can anyone recommend anything 

>else that might help?  

>Sylvia Plotnikoff 

 

I've used Echinacea several times for tooth infections. Took 6 to 8 

capsules per day and got very good results in under a week or two 

depending on how bad it was. I'm not a 'professional' as some here(?), 

but I personally recommend it. 

 

-- 

  

********************************************************************************

*** 

  ** Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm. Oh - Heck.  ** 

 ** I never could remember all that "nice"

stuff.<{worlock2@pipeline.com}>** 

 

********************************************************************************

***** 

 

 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: male performance

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 12 Oct 1995 04:59:02 GMT



i000349 (CANDY MAN) wrote:

>ARE THERE ANY HERBS OR VITAMINS ON THE MARKET TO ENHANCE MALE SEXUAL PERFORMANC

E.

>APPRECIATE ANY INFO.

>

>

>

>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>i000349 sends (CANDY MAN)...

>

Yup,

Here's an article (peer reviewed) on yohimbine 

(prescription only) compared to a relatively new herbal 

extract called Muira puama.  If you want more info on Muira 

puama, email me and I'll email you the research file I 

have.



And yes, the company I work for will be carrying Muira 

puama but it will be sold to and available in health food 

stores in the next month.



Take care,

Leslie Taylor



Excerpted from The American Journal of Natural Medicine, 

November 1994, Vol. 1, No. 3, Page 8



        Yohimbine vs. Muira puama in the treatment of 

erectile dysfunction



        The term "impotence" has traditionally been used to 

signify the inability of the male to attain and maintain 

erection of the penis sufficient to permit satisfactory 

sexual intercourse. Impotence, in most circumstances, is 

more precisely referred to as erectile dysfunction as this 

term differentiates itself from loss of libido, premature 

ejaculation, or inability to achieve orgasm.1 

        An estimated 10 to 20 million men suffer from 

erectile dysfunction.  This number is expected to increase 

dramatically as the median age of the population increases. 

Currently, erectile dysfunction is thought to affect over 

25% of men over the age of 50.2

        Although the frequency of erectile dysfunction 

increases with age, it must be stressed that ageing itself 

is not a cause of impotence. Although the amount and force 

of the ejaculate as well as the need to ejaculate decrease 

with age, the capacity for erection is retained. Men are 

capable of retaining their sexual virility well into their 

80's.

        Erectile dysfunction may be due to organic or 

psychogenic factors. In the overwhelming majority of cases 

the cause is organic, i.e., it is due to some physiological 

reason.  In fact, in men over the age of 50, organic causes 

are responsible fro erectile dysfunction in of 90%3.  In 

the past, a man with impotence who was able to have 

nighttime or early morning erections was thought to have 

psychogenic impotence. However, it is mow recognized that 

this is not a reliable indicator.2 



Yohimbine

        The only FDA approved medicine for impotence is 

yohimbine - an alkaloid isolated from the bark of the 

yohimbe tree (Pausinystalia yohimbe) native to tropical 

West Africa.  Yohimbine hydrochloride increases libido, but 

its primary action is to increase blood flow to erectile 

tissue. Yohimbine is a selective alpha-2 receptor 

antagonist. Contrary to a popular misconception, yohimbine 

has no effect on testosterone levels.

        When used alone, yohimbine is successful in 34% to 

43% of cases 4 & 5. It is effective in both psychogenic and 

organic cause of impotence.  The standard dose of yohimbine 

is 15 to 20 mg per day, however, higher doses, up to 42 mg 

of yohimbine, may prove to be more effective.

        To illustrate the benefits to be expected in 

clinical practice, let's examine the results from one of 

the more recent double-blind studies. In the study, 82 men 

with erectile dysfunction selected from a Veterans 

Administration population with a high incidence of diabetes 

and vascular disease underwent a multifactorial evaluation, 

including a determination of penile brachial blood pressure 

index, caver nosography, sacral evoked response, 

testosterone and prolactin determination, sexual 

dysfunction and arousal test.

        After one month of treatment with the maximum of 

42.0 mg oral yohimbine hydrocholride daily 14% of the 

patients experienced restoration of full and sustained 

erections. 20% reported a partial response to the therapy 

and 65% reported no improvement.  In comparison, only three 

patients reported a positive effect in the placebo group. 

Maximum effect with yohimbine takes two to three weeks to 

manifest itself.  Yohimbine was active in some patients 

with arterial insufficiency and a unilateral sacral reflex 

arc lesion, and in one with low serum testosterone levels. 

The 34% response is somewhat encouraging given the study 

population.

        Side effects often make yohimbine very difficult to 

utilize. Yohimbine can induce anxiety, panic attacks, and 

hallucinations in some individuals. Other side effects 

include elevations in blood pressure, and heart rate, 

dizziness, headache, and skin flushing. Yohimbine should 

not be used in individuals with psychological disturbances.

        Although crude yohimbe bark preparations are 

available commercially, use of pure yohimbine hydrochloride 

is preferred.  There are no commercial sources of yohimbe 

bark that are available to physicians or in health food 

stores which actually state the level of yohimbine per 

dosage. Without knowing the content of yohimbine, it is 

virtually impossible to prescribe an effective and 

consistent dosage. Because of the yohimbine content of 

yohimbe bark, the FDA classifies yohimbe as an unsafe herb.



Muira puama

        Preliminary research indicates one of the best 

herbs to use for erectile dysfunction or lack of libido may 

be Muira puama (also known as potency wood). This shrub is 

native to Brazil and has long been used as a powerful 

aphrodisiac and nerve stimulant in South American folk 

medicine 6 . A recent study has validated its safety and 

effectiveness in improving libido and sexual function in 

some patients.

        At the Institute of Sexology in Paris, Franc, under 

the supervision of one of the world's foremost authorities 

on sexual function, Dr. Jacques Waynberg, a clinical study 

with 262 patients complaining of lack of sexual desire and 

the inability to attain or maintain an erection 

demonstrated Muira puama extract to be effective in many 

cases 7.    Within two weeks, at a daily dose of 1 to 1.5 

grams of the extract (4:1), 62% of patients with loss of 

libido claimed that the treatment had dynamic effect while 

51% of patients with "erection failures" felt that Muira 

puama was of benefit. These results are extremely promising 

and seem to indicate that Muira puama may provide better 

results than yohimbine without side effects.

        Presently, the mechanism of action of Muira puama 

is unknown, From the preliminary information, it appears 

that it works on enhancing both psychological and physical 

aspects of sexual function. Future research will 

undoubtably shed additional light ob this extremely 

promising herb for erectile dysfunction."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Free Bottle of Echinacea Pay only $4.00 S/H

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 08:59:21 GMT



In article <457cmo$80k@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Brad Bishop

<be@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



> Terry, 

> 

> You are quite right, I guess you object to paying

> $4.00 for the shipping and handling. I do not see

> the reason for your post. If you noticed the post

> says you pay for S/H ... the bottle is FREE. Does

> this satisfy your objection or are you just here

> to find minor things to gripe at people who are 

> trying to help others with their health. You are 

> viewing these groups searching for something are

> you not? Search for truth and you will find it,

> the truth will set you free. If you are concerned

> about your health get the FREE bottle and learn.



Huh???  I still sell Echinacea angustifolia tincture (fresh root 1:2

tincture we wildcraft ourselves in either Oklahoma or Wyoming) for 3 bucks

an ounce to students and patients.  Most of my former students that are in

wholesale business don't sell it for more than $4.00 an ounce.  If you

tincture the dried root you only BUY, not pick or grow (around 75 cents an

ounce wholesale for whole root...max) at the appropriate 1:5 strength at

65% alcohol (former N.F. standards), a pound yields 80 ounces (if you

percolate) or around 70-73 oz. (if you macerate and have a GOOD hydraulic

press).  95% grain Ethanol runs about $6-7 a quart.



Material costs per ounce:

Herb:  $.15

ETOH   $.20 (conservative high)

bottle $.45 (amber boston round w/glass dropper, plus shipping...max)

label  $.15 (arbitrary max)

shrink-wrap band

       $.01 (less, actually)





That means the cost of MATERIALS is no more than a buck.  Sure it takes

time to MAKE the tincture...if you simply buy the herb (and don't drive

three states away to dig it morally).  Whether you percolate (better end

product) or macerate-and-shake-and-press (it still works fine) the labor

isn't that great.  Where's the big bargain?  Shipping might run 60-70

cents (probably less).



"Search for the truth and find it....(???)".  You got lots of huevos,

Brad, to then say "If you are concerned about your health get the FREE

bottle and learn".

Sure, it's cheaper than shlock purchased at the local vitamintorium...so what??

Lots of us could make a decent living (and do) out of the profits to be

made from $4.00 a bottle (minus shipping and material costs)...if you sell

enough bottles.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Free Bottle of Echinacea Pay only $4.00 S/H

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 02:41:01 GMT



In article <hrbmoore-1210950306520001@hrbmoore.rt66.com>,

hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore) wrote:



>If you tincture the dried root you only BUY, not pick or grow (around 75 cents

>an ounce wholesale for whole root...max) 



----blah blah (snip)-----



I want to be fair here:  Echinacea purpurea would be $.75 an ounce (top of

the line)...E. angustifolia will run up to $1.50 an ounce, raising the

cost of the herb per ounce to about $.30 an ounce.  I'm nitpicking here,

but having owned Herbs Etc. for 15 years, I learned the hard way to

nitpick.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Free Bottle of Echinacea Pay only $4.00 S/H

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 18:11:14 GMT



In article <45n61t$27d@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, Brad Bishop

<be@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



> Do you know ... the cost of ...

> 

> Adding Vitamin A, Beta Carotene,Vitamin C, Vitamin E, 

> Zinc, Copper, Manganese, Boron, Vanadium, Molybdenum, 

> Silicon, Chromium, Selenium and Garlic to the Echinacea?



Darn...just when I started to feel I might have been a little heavy-handed

in my post (I'm rather mild-mannered as a rule)...



A) This is supposed to be a non-commercial herb news group



B) You announced a FREE bottle of ECHINACEA for a shipping and handling

cost that approached the RETAIL price of decent Echinacea Tincture (in

some areas).



C) Although it WASN'T such a bad offer on the surface, it was TACKY,

because the $4.00 "shipping/handling" is absurd on the face of it...you

just came off (to some, at least) as being sort of petty-hustling.



D) Using plants instead of medicine or trendy anti-oxidants probably

appeals to LOTS of the readers here (I know it does to me)...herbs are,

after all, Close To The Source, in a world where little is.



E) After getting over the STYLE of the offer, it nonetheless was a decent

one...lots of folks don't live in herbal "hotbeds"...things are expensive

in upscale stores and Nutritional Centers...the wording of your offer can

be overlooked, since the price IS good.



F) Tincture of Echinacea is the hydro-alcoholic extract of Echinacea

angustifolia, E. pallida, E. sanguinea OR E. purpurea, usually expressed

by a 1:5 or 20% strength (formerly official)...or by many genially useful

variants.

Technically, it is a LEGAL entity, since it was an Official drug term up

until 1965.



G) You "advertised" Echinacea Tincture as free, with a $4.00 shipping "charge".



H) WHAT IS THIS OTHER SHIT!!??

i.e.:

"Vitamin A, Beta Carotene,Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Zinc, Copper, Manganese,

Boron, Vanadium, Molybdenum, Silicon, Chromium, Selenium and Garlic"



The combo isn't dreadful (although, if combined in solution with Echinacea

Tincture, the C and trace minerals are going to salt out, at the very

least)



It's less offensive than LOTS of "phyto-mineralo-nutraceuticals" being

hustled about, with seeming brainless vigor.



But it ISN'T Echinacea Tincture.



It may help people in distress...



But it ISN'T Echinacea Tincture.



It may be a remarkably CANNY formula, with many benefits...



But it ISN'T Echinacea Tincture.



Honest, Brad.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: jgarcia@peach.epix.net

Subject: Re: Free Bottle of Echinacea Pay only $4.00 S/H

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 16:35:55 GMT



Joe do you imply that condoms are inapproriate today.

Must mean that you are a macho man and do it without

one. In awhile you really may need some herbs to fix 

the problem you receive from not using one.

To your health and juvenile post.

Sincerely,

-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:28:27 +0100



In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950907040750.16206E-100000@garcia.efn.org> G Pollack w

rote:



> 

> CAPSICUM    As long as you're willing to brave a nasty oral effect for the

>             soothing of your stomach, have you considered Capsicum 

> (cayenne pepper)?  Much easier to obtain worldwide, Capsicum is the only

> plant to my knowledge that tastes hot without being an irritant to tissue.

> Herbalists for a long time have written of its tonic and curative uses,

> -- even prescribing it for ulcer treatment!

>



I'm intrigued, but this is one of those rare occassions when I would

appreciate some confirmation before downing the fateful dose.



Can anyone else please confirm these benefits?

-- 

Tony Halmarack



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:01:46 GMT



In article <19951012.102827.12@halmarax.halmarax.demon.co.uk>,

   Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:

Pollack wrote:



>> CAPSICUM  As long as you're willing to brave a nasty oral effect for the

>>          soothing of your stomach, have you considered Capsicum 

>> (cayenne pepper)?  Much easier to obtain worldwide, Capsicum is the only

>> plant to my knowledge that tastes hot without being an irritant to 

tissue.

>> Herbalists for a long time have written of its tonic and curative uses,

>> -- even prescribing it for ulcer treatment!

>

>I'm intrigued, but this is one of those rare occassions when I would

>appreciate some confirmation before downing the fateful dose.

>

>Can anyone else please confirm these benefits?



Tony - 

  My MATERIA MEDICA (1927) gives its uses as:

Indigestion, dyspepsia, flatulence, .... 

  As does Cullens 1755 medical book, so it's been around

for a long time for the same symptoms.



  Used in moderation it isn't an irritant ... it's sting

comes from the effect it has on sensory nerves.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: Deb <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 06:37:24 GMT



Try Zingiber officinalis (common ginger root from the grocery produce 

dept) for an upset stomach.  



Just a spoonful or two (trust your own taste) grated into tea, or 2-10 

drops of tincture will usually calm an upset stomach.  



It also will increase circulation, promote sweating (useful in case of a 

fever), ease motion sickness, & reduce phlegm from colds.  A wonder herb, 

yes?



Avoid excess in cases of peptic ulcer & use respectfully in early 

pregnancy.



Deb



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: mrafael@tmx.com.au (Meyer Rafael)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 05:54:44 GMT



Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:



m intrigued, but this is one of those rare occassions when I would

>appreciate some confirmation before downing the fateful dose.



>Can anyone else please confirm these benefits?

>-- 

>Tony Halmarack



Jethro Kloss in "Back to Eden" makes similar claims to capsicum.

In my experience it is a beneficial stimulant. More biting when 

fresh. Kids cant handle it but adults should be OK.

--

Meyer



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:03:52 +0100



In message <DGp4sq.7oz@online.tmx.com.au> Meyer Rafael wrote:



> Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:

> 

> m intrigued, but this is one of those rare occassions when I would

> >appreciate some confirmation before downing the fateful dose.

> 

> >Can anyone else please confirm these benefits?

> >-- 

> >Tony Halmarack

> 

> Jethro Kloss in "Back to Eden" makes similar claims to capsicum.

> In my experience it is a beneficial stimulant. More biting when 

> fresh. Kids cant handle it but adults should be OK.





Good God, it works!!!





-- 

Tony Halmarack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alternative

From: Diana Dills <ddills@u.washington.edu>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:43:17 -0700





For what it's worth--my own anecdotal experience with stomach upset is 

that when I'm moderately queasy--not barfing sick--I often crave hot spicy

food, like Szechuan or really hot Thai food.



It also seems to settle my stomach and relieve the nausea.  Friends are

convinced I'm crazy.  (...not just because of this...  :))



I don't have any personal experience with Carqueja, but the theory appeals

to me...



DIANA DILLS



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: E-Coli

From: soneill@kbbs.com

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 08:47:51 PST





I have a Cocker Spaniel which has E-Coli and is resistant to all but one

anti-biotic on the market. This is beecoming critical..and if this

ontibiotic does not work..the doctor's have nothing else to use..is

there something natural I can use to restore her balance..immune

system? She has cronic Bladder problems due to another problem..any help

would be most appreciated..





--

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 14:36:44 GMT





Hi,



I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

If you would like more information on this herb call 

me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

docgreen@magicchain.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: mystic@news.dorsai.org (Michael Solomowitz)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:03:24 GMT



Robert Green, ND (docgreen@magicchain.com) wrote:



: Hi,



: I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

: very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

: It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

: If you would like more information on this herb call 

: me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

: docgreen@magicchain.com



    E. coli is NOT a protozoan, it is a Bacterium!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 04:30:45 GMT



In article <45ohts$id3@news.connectnet.com>,

   "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:



>I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

>very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

>It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

>If you would like more information on this herb call 

>me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

>docgreen@magicchain.com

>

Doc Green:

  If you don't know the difference between a protozoa

and a bacteria (E. coli is a BACTERIA, and has been 

for a long time ... like milennia) what are you doing

dispensing any kind of advice?





Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:59:28 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <45ohts$id3@news.connectnet.com>,

>   "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:



>>I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

>>very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

>>It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

>>If you would like more information on this herb call 

>>me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

>>docgreen@magicchain.com

>>

>Doc Green:

>  If you don't know the difference between a protozoa

>and a bacteria (E. coli is a BACTERIA, and has been 

>for a long time ... like milennia) what are you doing

>dispensing any kind of advice?

>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



For  another thing:  E.coli are quite normal in reasonable amounts in

the intestines, certainly of humans - likely also for animals.



However, 'Doc Green' is far more interested in sales, IMHO.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: lists@relay.com

Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:31:44 GMT



In article <46125v$7a@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,

   cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek) wrote:

>callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

>

>>In article <45ohts$id3@news.connectnet.com>,

>>   "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:

>

>>>I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

>>>very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

>>>It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

>>>If you would like more information on this herb call 

>>>me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

>>>docgreen@magicchain.com

>>>

>>Doc Green:

>>  If you don't know the difference between a protozoa

>>and a bacteria (E. coli is a BACTERIA, and has been 

>>for a long time ... like milennia) what are you doing

>>dispensing any kind of advice?

>>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.

>

>For  another thing:  E.coli are quite normal in reasonable amounts in

>the intestines, certainly of humans - likely also for animals.

>

>However, 'Doc Green' is far more interested in sales, IMHO.



But that's OK, neither of you knows your Latin anyway: that's *A* bacterium, 

and *A* protozoan, not "a bacteria" and "a protozoa".  This phenomena [sic] 

drives me crazy, but I suppose the point is mute [sic].

..phsiii



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:58:07 GMT



oops, oops... remembered just as I posted that it's not EColi but 

lactobacillus acidophilus that digests lactose.. kind of a no-brainer 

from the name, huh? Please ignore previous misinformation...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 13:55:06 GMT





the confusion from the name:

E. coli  is because there are two E. coli organisms.



Escherichia coli (bacteria)

Entamoeba coli   (amoeba or protozoa)



Both are normal inhabitants of the intestines, although

the amoeba occsionally causes diarrhea if it has a population 

boom.



The E. coli bacteria that is lethal is a strain found in cows - 

it doesn't harm the cows, but it produces a toxin that is very

damaging to some people.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: callie@writepage.com

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: Valerie DeBenedette/Bernard Cullen <valdeben@cloud9.net>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 04:38:16 GMT



Part of the problem here is that people seem to be using E. coli for 

both Escherichia coli and Entamoeba coli, two vastly different little 

critters. E. coli is *always* Escherichia coli. The other one should be 

abbreviated Ent. coli.



It is just like stapholococcal organisms are abbreviated to S. 

whatever, while strepotcoccal organisms are abbreviated to Trep. 

whatever. 



Valerie 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:43:50 GMT





To: lists@relay.com

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Subject: Re: E-Coli



>In article <46125v$7a@coranto.ucs.mun.ca>,

>   cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek) wrote:

>>callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

>>

>>>In article <45ohts$id3@news.connectnet.com>,

>>>   "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:

>>

>>>>I have an herb that I bring out of Mexico that works

>>>>very well on protazoa (E.Coli is a protozoa). 

>>>>It is called Chaparro amrargoso (Castela Tortuosa).

>>>>If you would like more information on this herb call 

>>>>me at (800) 949-7999 ask for Linda,or e-mail to 

>>>>docgreen@magicchain.com

>>>>

>>>Doc Green:

>>>  If you don't know the difference between a protozoa

>>>and a bacteria (E. coli is a BACTERIA, and has been 

>>>for a long time ... like milennia) what are you doing

>>>dispensing any kind of advice?

>>>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>>>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.

>>

>>For  another thing:  E.coli are quite normal in reasonable amounts in

>>the intestines, certainly of humans - likely also for animals.

>>

>>However, 'Doc Green' is far more interested in sales, IMHO.

>

>But that's OK, neither of you knows your Latin anyway: that's *A* bacterium, 

>and *A* protozoan, not "a bacteria" and "a protozoa".  This phenomena [sic] 

>drives me crazy, but I suppose the point is mute [sic].

>..phsiii

>

If you will recheck the above that you quoted, you will discover that

*I* made no direct reference to either the word 'bacterium' or

'protozoa'.

I do know that the plural of the of the Latin masculine nominative

'um' is normally 'a'.  The phenomenon to which you refer is also a

bugaboo for me.  As are things such as 'your' for 'you're'.

If you wish to be annoyed, please do so for the correct reasons at the

correct people.

I hope that will clarify matters somewhat.



BTW:  my  e-mail reply bounced, twice.

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 21:08:32 GMT





I have never claimed to know latin, nor use it correctly. The intellectual

pretentiousness of using correct Latin when speaking English amuses me.



>>But that's OK, neither of you knows your Latin anyway: that's *A* 

bacterium, 

>>and *A* protozoan, not "a bacteria" and "a protozoa".  This phenomena 

[sic] 

>>drives me crazy, but I suppose the point is mute [sic].

>>..phsiii





Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:13:23 -0700



Since the species of E. coli was not mentioned in the post, the 

one that I was refereeing to was Entamoeba coli with is a 

protozoa. 



And even though you say that it is none pathogenic as with 

Escherichia coli, which also lives in most peoples bowels. 

I say that in immune compromised individuals either can be a 

problem and I have seen this to be so...





In Health,





Robert Green, ND



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:49:54 GMT



"Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:

>Since the species of E. coli was not mentioned in the post, the 

>one that I was refereeing to was Entamoeba coli with is a 

>protozoa. 



I think you're grabbing for entamoeba histolica (sp?) here-- it does make 

for some rather nasty diarrhea. It is an amoeba, as one might guess from 

the name. 



>

>And even though you say that it is none pathogenic as with 

>Escherichia coli, which also lives in most peoples bowels. 

>I say that in immune compromised individuals either can be a 

>problem and I have seen this to be so...

>

Certain strains of E.Coli can be a problem for anyone-- remember the Jack 

in the Box poisonings that were on the news a few years back? That was E 

Coli. One strain of E Coli is a natural part of the flora and fauna of 

our intestines... It even helps with digestion of lactose, so it's 

actually beneficial. Like anything else, in excessive amounts, it can 

become a problem for people. There is also the everpresent possibility of 

mutation to a slightly different, more toxic strain of bacteria, which is 

(I assume) what happened with the people who got sick at Jack in the Box. 

They encountered a strain, perhaps common in the intestines of cows, 

which was not so benevolent to the human system. May be harder for your 

body to realize that the new strain of E Coli it has just met is one of 

the bad guys, since it had always been one of the good guys before. This 

(Jack in the Box poisoning) is what led to the labeling of all beef 

products with safe handling directions. Beef contaminated with unfriendly 

EColi is just as bad as salmonella from chicken or trichinosis from pork.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 15:13:02 GMT



"Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com> wrote:



>Since the species of E. coli was not mentioned in the post, the 

>one that I was refereeing to was Entamoeba coli with is a 

>protozoa. 



Verrrrry Different situation!!  E.(Escherischia) coli is generally

presumed unless stated otherwise.



>And even though you say that it is none pathogenic as with 

>Escherichia coli, which also lives in most peoples bowels. 

>I say that in immune compromised individuals either can be a 

>problem and I have seen this to be so...

>In Health,

>Robert Green, ND



Immune compromised individuals can have problems with a whole panoply

of ordinarily benign circumstances: eg AIDS victims.

But often it is back to the oft recurring quote:

 'It's a matter of quantity' - ie Some may be good, more is not

necessarily better.



--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E-Coli

From: John Egan <jegan@theriver.com>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 16:55:03 GMT



 hate to disagree, but e.choli is not a protozoa. it is a gram negative anaerobi

c 

bacilli and it normally lives in the  gi tract.      tae



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Trouble Sleeping? - Melatonin Article

From: joy@nwlink.com (Keith Drown)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 17:40:33 GMT



Those having trouble sleeping have recently discovered what could be the

answer to their prayers.   Melatonin is the hottest hormone on the market

today.  Melatonin is a hormone product that is normally produced in the body.

It doesn't leave one with a sleeping pill hangover.  Melatonin has been all

over the news lately, it was featured on Good Morning America, Hard Copy, NBC

Evening News,  CNN Health Report, and the list goes on and on.

 

Why all the interest and excitement about Melatonin?  Millions of people have

trouble sleeping.  Whether it's stress or todays hurried pace, the fact is that

a lot of people suffer from this malady.  It is a major problem and the sleeping

pill industry is a billion dollar industry that has yet to produce a product

that delivers what they promise.   Melatonin is released by the pineal gland

deep in the brain in response to darkness, and keeps the body's 24 hour clock

synchronized, signaling when it is time to sleep.   



I reluctantly after being urged and prodded to buy a bottle did so. A business

associate even offered to purchase one for me - I was too proud to take him

up on his offer.  He told me that it helps him with jet lag (he's an

international jet pilot).  His sister is a rotating shift registered nurse and

he told me it helps her.  For the first time in years I slepted like a baby 

without nasty side effects.  For me to say that with my long tormented history o

f 

chronic insomnia is quite a statement about the effectiveness of the product.

It has dramatically improved the quality of my life.



There are other benefits of melatonin, according to several studies it's not

just those who have trouble sleeping. This product may ease insomnia, combat

jet lag,  protect cells from free-radical damage, boost one's immune system,

prevent cancer and extend life.  It's even suggested that it may help in

preventing the common cold.  Common knowledge is that animals and humans get

sick more often in the winter than the summer because of a variety of

stresses.  Researchers suggest it would be even worse if the melatonin

wasn't working to counteract these stresses."  There is no question that

the hormone plays an important role in the body's struggle against disease.

And it one day may become an important therapy for a broad spectrum of diseases.



Dr Ray Sahelian, author of the book, Melatonin, Nature's Sleeping Pill, says

Melatonin will replace prescription sleeping pills.  Dr Sahelian also says

that melatonin could improve one's mood, that one could have vivid dreams.

have more energy and possibly live longer.  Many physicians, including Dr. 

Sahelian, are using melatonin clinically with great success.  I have a friend

who suffers from insomnia.  He is being treated by a licensed naturopathic

physician using melatonin (for his insomnia) with great success.



The typical dose that a human needs to induce sleep is in the 2 to 5

miligram range and from research this appears very safe.  The studies

done with rats and with humans incdicate that at least in the short term

even very large dosages are safe.  They tried to give the rats a "fatal" 

dose of melatonin, but no matter how much they stuffed into the rats,

they only showed side effects of sleepiness and upset stomaches, but

not one died.  Then they conducted this same test on volunteer students,

giving them up to 6000 milligrams at one time, the only side effects were

some upset stomachs and some students were a bit sleepy the next day.  Of

course, as with any supplement or drug, if someone is concerned about

potential harm or drug interactions they should consult their physician.



There are now dozens of books on the subject including "Melatonin:

Nature's Sleeping Pill, by Dr Ray Sahelian, and The current best seller,

"The Melatonin Miracle by Walter Pierpaoli and William Regelson.  I've

talked with many people that have benfitted from this product. Is it

a passing fad or snake oil or something that will endure?  I

truthfully don't know for sure.  It works for me when many other

techniques, drugs, herbal remedies, anti-depressant drugs, machines,

etc. did not work.  And it works for many other folks as well.



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Life Plus - Network Marketing at its Finest and Purest

Free With No Risk / Finest Nutritional Products at 40% Less

Contact:  Keith Drown <joy@nwlink.com> - Sponsor # 47540

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Trouble Sleeping? - Melatonin Article

From: jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 03:22:31 GMT



>   joy@nwlink.com (Keith Drown) writes:

>  Those having trouble sleeping have recently discovered what could be the

>  answer to their prayers.   Melatonin is the hottest hormone on the market

>  today. 

>  ... 

>>>>



For more Melatonin information try this URL:

http://www.webcom.com/~lef/texts-2/mela01.html



Jose



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Jose Garcia                         |   "Happy is he who hath the power

  email - jgarcia@epix.net            |    to gather wisdom from a flower"

  voice - (717)737-5722               |          Rosemary Gladstar

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Trouble Sleeping? - Melatonin Article

From: Penina Finger <Penina@terminus.intermind.net>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 06:08:17 GMT



I am taking melatonin right now. The most profound change is that I seem 

to be returning to waking/sleeping rhythms I lived as a teenager. I 

realize that I changed from being a "night person" to being an "early 

morning person" because early mornings provided the most solitude, which 

I thrive on. Now that I am an adult and have much more autonomy over my 

lifestyle, returning to the late-night habits is an interesting 

surprise... and is taking a little getting used to.



My concern is this: Isn't there something I can do to cause my body to 

produce the melatonin it needs and thus maintain its own balance? I 

understand that the production of melatonin by the body slows as we age, 

but why? and can't this be mended with diet, exercise, etc.? I have the 

vague feeling that I am developing a dependance on a "natural" narcotic.



  p



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Trouble Sleeping? - Melatonin Article

From: yoli@dds.nl

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:05:34 GMT



joy@nwlink.com (Keith Drown) wrote:



>Those having trouble sleeping have recently discovered what could be the

>answer to their prayers.   Melatonin is the hottest hormone on the market

>today.  Melatonin is a hormone product that is normally produced in the body.

>It doesn't leave one with a sleeping pill hangover.  Melatonin has been all

>over the news lately, it was featured on Good Morning America, Hard Copy, NBC

>Evening News,  CNN Health Report, and the list goes on and on. 

<snip><snip><snip>

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>The Purpose Of Life Is To Give Of The Gift Of Who You Are!

>Life Plus - Network Marketing at its Finest and Purest

>Free With No Risk / Finest Nutritional Products at 40% Less

>Contact:  Keith Drown <joy@nwlink.com> - Sponsor # 47540

>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This was posted to misc.health.alternative with a different header

Why waste people's time and space with articles which are really advertisements?



(Commercial melatonin is a drug which is produced chemically anyway and has

nothing to do with herbs.)

  

yoli@dds.nl





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Beer Machine

From: Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com

Date: 12 Oct 1995 12:11:51 PST



Make great beer as little as 8 days, priced at $115

if yer interested email me





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Beer Machine

From: J-Manhart@tamu.edu (Jim Manhart)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:13:59 -0500



In article <45jh43$cec@crl9.crl.com>, granholm@crl.com (Scott A. Granholm)

wrote:



> Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com, related the following...

> >Make great beer as little as 8 days, priced at $115

> >if yer interested email me

> 

> Is that the same one I saw in K-mart for 79.95? it had a smallish clear

> amber barrell, and all the mixings.

> 

> 

> -- 



I bought all the hardware (fermenter, bottle capper, tubing, air lock,

etc.) to make five gallons of beer for about $50.00 at our local home

brewers supply, the ingredients cost $20 to $30 depending on what you want

to brew.  You can buy used bottles at a local bar for almost nothing.  It

takes about two weeks to make beer -- a week of fermentation followed by

bottling and a week of aging.



-- 

Jim Manhart 

Dept. of Biology

Texas A&M University

College Station, TX 77843-3258

email:  J-Manhart@tamu.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Beer Machine

From: ao465@detroit.freenet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 02:06:38 GMT





In a previous article, Lady_Wolf@sys259.chatlink.com () says:



>Make great beer as little as 8 days, priced at $115

>if yer interested email me



Gosh, I've never made beer that took _more_ than 8 days.  And,

even the first time, it cost considerably less than $115.



What is with all this advertisement all of a sudden?



Susan

-- 

************************************************************

"I could while away the hours conferrin' with the flowers, 

 consulting with the rain... if I only had a brain."

 --Scarecrow



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Clearing out lungs

From: <U0A75@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:41:24 EDT



_Smoke Camp Crafts_ has a real good tea for this,

it's called "Bronchial Blend" and contains some

coltsfoot and some mullein, among other herbs.



I recommend this company highly...you can get an

order of the tea for $1.95 plus 65 cents postage.



Address:  Smoke Camp Crafts

          Rt. 1, Box 263-SS

          Weston, WV   26452



Dot Montgillion who gathers and raises most of the herbs herself

is a great great source for info....and the merchandise

is excellent.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: GOUT AND HOT PEPPERS ??

From: JGHH36B@prodigy.com (John Kerkes)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 21:13:53 GMT



 Just wondering if one gets gout attacks once in awhile if it is alright 

to eat hot peppers from time to time,seeing as they are supposed to have 

benefical effects on certian health conditions.  

-

  JOHN KERKES  JGHH36B@prodigy.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need source for Phyllanthus amaris

From: starrin@exis.net (Roy Starrin)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 21:30:21 GMT



Would appreciate a source for phyllanthus amaris aka phyllanthus niruri 

aka phyllanthus nituri.  This herb is reported in a Lancet article (which 

I don't have) to be usefull in treating hepatitis.

                              TIA

                               Roy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Purple Coneflower

From: Carmel Vivier <vivier@ftn.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:37:08 PDT





I'm new to this group and have been told that the purple coneflower root is 

valued for its ability to give your immune system a boost.  It should be used 

in a tincture of coneflower (I guess it can help with the symptoms of flu or 

cold).



Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make tincture of coneflower? or 

know where I can purchase it.



Carmel Vivier

vivier@ftn.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Purple Coneflower

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 20:33:07 -0700



Carmel Vivier (vivier@ftn.net) wrote:



: I'm new to this group and have been told that the purple coneflower root is 

: valued for its ability to give your immune system a boost.  It should be used 

: in a tincture of coneflower (I guess it can help with the symptoms of flu or 

: cold).



: Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make tincture of coneflower? or 

: know where I can purchase it.



Hi, Carmel.  You will be most likely to find this valuable herb under its

genus name, Echinacea.  Look for it under this name in stores, or (as I

noticed last spring here in Atlanta) in your neighbor's flower garden. *g*



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Purple Coneflower

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 05:20:18 GMT



It's more frequently referred to as echinacea.

 It is very popular, my local mainstream drug store even sells it, though

the quality is probably not as good.





In article <NEWTNews.813534359.19266.vivier@ftn.net.ftn.net>, Carmel

Vivier <vivier@ftn.net> wrote:



> I'm new to this group and have been told that the purple coneflower root is 

> valued for its ability to give your immune system a boost.  It should be used 

> in a tincture of coneflower (I guess it can help with the symptoms of flu or 

> cold).

> 

> Does anyone have any suggestions on how to make tincture of coneflower? or 

> know where I can purchase it.

> 

> Carmel Vivier

> vivier@ftn.net



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Purple Coneflower

From: ccjs@sun.cse.bris.ac.uk (J. Simpson)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:53:02 GMT



Julia K. Larkin (jkl@slip.net) wrote:

: It's more frequently referred to as echinacea.

:  It is very popular, my local mainstream drug store even sells it, though

: the quality is probably not as good.



Didn't have any success with the tincture, but the dried herb

worked fine. Opinion seems that you shouldn't take Echinacea

continuously. Am now growing my own to ensure supply is fresh.

I suspect that some herbs, particularly those with small turnover,

may be in the distribution chain and on the shelf for several years.

By the time you get them they may have lost a lot of their potency.

Which may account for differing reports as to their effectiveness. 

--

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Purple Coneflower

From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:09:31 GMT



The original poster of this topic asked for advice in preparing the

tincture.  I have just completed such a task with the coneflower from my

garden, _Echinacea (Rudbeckia) pupuream_.  The tincture I prepared, however,

used the whole fresh plant, not the root.  I'm sure the root is useful, but

I intend to crop my plants, and the rootstock has not yet developed to the

point where I could see sacrificing any of it.  For those who are

interested, however, I produced a tincture which is indistinguishable in

appearance from the commercial product, although the taste is more

full-bodied.  BTW, I understand that the closely related _E. angustifolium_

is just as suitable.  Most of the commercial tinctures contain a mixture of

_E. pupuream_ and _E. angustifolia_.



When the plants are in full flower, just before the first hard frost, simply

cut the entire plant near ground level.  Wash the herb and discard (compost)

anything yellow or damaged.  Remove the very large, woody portions of stem. 

Small stems are no problem.  This is an operational necessity, since the

woody stems will choke a blender (yes, even a VitaMixer!).  Put the herb in

a blender and process it, adding enough grain alcohol to generate a nice

puree.  At this stage, the stuff will look like cooked spinach.  Take it out

of the blender and cover the mash with grain alcohol.  Let this sit for a

week or so in the refrigerator.  Pour the stuff through several layers of

cheesecloth.  The liquid could probably have been used at this point, but it

won't have the nice, clean appearance you get in the commercial product.  To

clarify, pour it through an unbleached coffee filter.  Voila!  The stuff is

really nice, although, to make it palatable, you'll probably want to add it

to about 3 parts water.  From my two plants about 1 m tall and 45 cm in

diameter I got about 4 litre of (diluted) tincture.  The only cost was for

the grain alcohol ($8 for a litre).  Pretty cheap, since I had been paying

about $15 for a 60 ml bottle at the health food store!





--

                                |

Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para

North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."

                                |               -Carlos Castaneda

                                |



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Purple Coneflower

From: Chuck <cci.ltd@internetmci.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:35:28 GMT



Dave,  Next time, use the root also.  like it, believe it,, 

I care!



Dave use the root too,,   



Don't abuse the tincture and you have done well!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: All natural herbal soaps

From: MAMX59B@prodigy.com (Dale Yedinak)

Date: 12 Oct 1995 23:53:54 GMT



We proudly hand make all natural soaps containing herbal infusions of a 

variety of wonderful herbs.  Other, all natural soaps available.  Choice 

of all vegetable or Castille, (tallow base) soaps.  Reasonable prices.  

For more information send email to:

Northwest QuinteScential Soap Company at

anys32a@prodigy.com



Thank you.



-

  DEE YEDINAK 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Acupuncture, Herbs and Pharmacy

From: WBRU93B@prodigy.com (Dan Fung)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 00:05:45 GMT



Something that might be of interest to everyone...



In New York City there is a low cost herbal clinic located at 774 Ninth

Avenue( near 52nd st.) offering low cost(around $30) counseling and

acupuncture treatment.  They are dedicated and knowledgeable with

alternative treatment programs.



There is also a nutritional center specializing in herbal and vitamin

supplements for HIV related deficiency.  This center is near the

proposed HousingWorks day treatment program on Horatio Street.

Nutritionists are on duty.  The address is 49 A 8th Avenue. (corner of

Horatio St.).



The same organization also has a pharmacy in Greenwich Village

known as Greenwich Action Pharmacy.  They specialize in AIDS

treatment  prescription drugs.  They are located at 254 West 10th

Street (corner of Hudson St.)



Here are the addresses and telephones again:



The Clinic        ActionCare Acupuncture and Herb Center

                        774 Ninth Avenue ( Near 52nd Street)

                        NY, NY 10019

                        (212) 258-2558



The Nutrition Center              ActionCare Nutrition Center

                                               49A 8th Avenue

                                               (Corner of Horatio 

Street)

                                               NY, NY 10014

                                               (212) 633-2288



The Pharmacy          Greenwich Action Pharmacy

                                  254 West 10th Street

                                  NY, NY 10014

                                  (212) 627-2888



Just something for your information...



God Bless.



WeCare





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NEW herb seed/ herbal product page

From: heruka@shadow.net (heruka)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 00:28:45 GMT



Please come and visit our new site....

It is a new page and filled with many interesting items for 

individuals.



http://www.shadow.net/~heruka



Thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac vs Surgery

From: miranda@mo.net (Miranda)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:23:30 GMT



jerry warry <kbogush@carroll.com> wrote:



>    My father has colon cancer. We are discussing the option

>of using Essiac instead of surgery. If anyone has experience

>with either of these subjects i would like to hear from you.

>       



>                                       Thanks

>                                       Jerry Warry



I would recommend getting the book The Essiac Report by Richard

Thomas.

-Miranda                                                                        



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: essaic info

From: dan.bedarf@canrem.com (Dan Bedarf)

Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 23:02:00 -0500



On www/mgl.ca/caisse.html there essiac info

~~~

 * VbReader 3.0 Beta Version 2 #508 * A good organizer is the one who is careful

 to plan ahe





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need information about Ligustrum tea

From: Nobuo Sakakura <lr3n-skkr@asahi-net.or.jp>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 05:43:03 GMT



If someone know about Ligustrun tea in Sinchuan in China,Please tell me all abou

t you 

know.

Thank you in advance.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for nosebleeds?

From: u02dth@abdn.ac.uk (u02dth)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 11:23:21 GMT



One of my flatmates has recently been plagued by frequent nosebleeds, and I

seem to remember having read somewhere that fennel can be used to help

prevent nosebleeds.



Does anyone know if this is true or not? And if not, of any other remedies

which may help.



Thanks

        Danny.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:alternative medicine

From: Jenny <michaux@bga.com>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:08:55 GMT



Can anyone help me with extreme pain? - alternative medicine? .herbs?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: michaux@bga.com

Subject: Re:alternative medicine

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:47:08 GMT



What type of pain do you have? We sell Plenty of Chinese Herbs and 

Chinese Patent Formulas for pain, Can You be more specific?

E-mail to this address or east@wwa.com with more information maybe we can 

help.



Sincerely,



Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Carqueja for stomach upset - Capsicum alter

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 16:25:22 GMT



In message ID <19951012.102827.12@halmarax.halmarax.demon.co.uk> on 10/12/95,

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk wrote:



: In message <Pine.SUN.3.91.950907040750.16206E-100000@garcia.efn.org>

: G Pollack wrote:

: 

: > 

: > CAPSICUM    As long as you're willing to brave a nasty oral effect for

the

: >             soothing of your stomach, have you considered Capsicum 

: > (cayenne pepper)?  Much easier to obtain worldwide, Capsicum is the only

: > plant to my knowledge that tastes hot without being an irritant to

tissue.

: > Herbalists for a long time have written of its tonic and curative uses,

: > -- even prescribing it for ulcer treatment!

: >

: 

: I'm intrigued, but this is one of those rare occassions when I would

: appreciate some confirmation before downing the fateful dose.

: 

: Can anyone else please confirm these benefits?

: -- 



I recommend against using capsicum for undiagnosed stomach upsets.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rosehips

From: Robin Haglund <rubidoo@well.com>

Date: 13 Oct 1995 17:35:41 GMT



I've always been interested in using rosehips, but none of my herb books tell ho

w to use them. 

They just say they're a good source for vitamin C and can be used for teas, etc.

 Anyone have tips? 

Thx.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Arthritis and psoriasis

From: aq652@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Donna Shaw)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:53:55 GMT



Any herbal remedies for these conditions?



D.

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IP Pagan SIG and...all around cute blonde:)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Alo Vera

From: r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:11:55



  I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw it 

out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

    Does any one know how it is prepaired or of a reverence on preparation? 

  I have a large amount growing in my basement but don' t burn myself enough 

to use it up. :-)    Thanks,

       Ron



Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: "Cheryl E." <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 06:29:49 -0600



On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Ron Myers wrote:



>   I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

> supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw it

 

> out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

(text deleted)



From the books which I am reading they say Aloe vera is not suitable for 

internal use; and the only uses are for burns (not serious) and to make a 

moisturizing cream which is suitable for dry skin.



Cheryl



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 16:04:09 -0700



Cheryl E. (erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca) wrote:

: On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Ron Myers wrote:



: >   I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

: > supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw 

it 

: > out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

: (text deleted)



: From the books which I am reading they say Aloe vera is not suitable for 

: internal use; and the only uses are for burns (not serious) and to make a 

: moisturizing cream which is suitable for dry skin.



: Cheryl



I have used aloe juice preparations that are in fact suitable for internal

use; it's great for ulcers, but it tastes pretty lousy.  I used to keep a

bottle of it in the refrigerator and take a swig whenever I had an upset

stomach.



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: miranda@mo.net (Miranda)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 18:47:59 GMT



r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) wrote:



>  I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

>supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw it 

>out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

>    Does any one know how it is prepaired or of a reverence on preparation? 

>  I have a large amount growing in my basement but don' t burn myself enough 

>to use it up. :-)    Thanks,

>       Ron



>Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

>Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

>WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

Honestly, I don't know how it is prepared, but I drink it myself and

I've never had any problems with it.  It will help almost any type of

ailment because it oxygenates the body's cells which helps it to fight

off disease.  I usually mix a little bit of it with some type of juice

and drink it when I'm sick.

-Miranda





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:52:46 -0500



There is a company in Key West that specializes in aloe products-creams, 

lotions, gels, and extracts.  I doubt that there is much about aloe they 

don't know.



I don't know the number, but it is Key West Fragrance and Cosmetics 

Company.  



They are real friendly people. 



Cissy



On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, Miranda wrote:



> r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) wrote:

> 

> >  I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

> >supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw i

t 

> >out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

> >    Does any one know how it is prepaired or of a reverence on preparation? 

> >  I have a large amount growing in my basement but don' t burn myself enough 

> >to use it up. :-)    Thanks,

> >       Ron

> 

> >Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

> >Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

> >WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

> >University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

> Honestly, I don't know how it is prepared, but I drink it myself and

> I've never had any problems with it.  It will help almost any type of

> ailment because it oxygenates the body's cells which helps it to fight

> off disease.  I usually mix a little bit of it with some type of juice

> and drink it when I'm sick.

> -Miranda

> 

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 22:48:42 GMT



In article <45rlmc$oc6@Twain.MO.NET>, miranda@mo.net (Miranda) says:

>

>r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) wrote:

>

>>  I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

>>supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw it

 

>>out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

>>    Does any one know how it is prepaired or of a reverence on preparation? 

>>  I have a large amount growing in my basement but don' t burn myself enough 

>>to use it up. :-)    Thanks,

>>       Ron

>

>>Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

>>Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

>>WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

>>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

>Honestly, I don't know how it is prepared, but I drink it myself and

>I've never had any problems with it.  It will help almost any type of

>ailment because it oxygenates the body's cells which helps it to fight

>off disease.  I usually mix a little bit of it with some type of juice

>and drink it when I'm sick.

>-Miranda

>

>> Some years ago, I was trained in the use of Aloe Vera products, and believe m

e 

> it is nothing to be afraid of. Yes, in burn situations, drain that plant if 

> you have to...it really does help the pain and helps in the healing. The

> plant is a succulent and is mostly water, but, the healing capabilities are

> are fantastic. As for drinking it, it is very good for the system, and can

> help with constipation, digestion problems and internal infections; but, 

> it is not recommended

> for people with chronic problems (please check with your doctor before digesti

ng

> this product) and pregnant women are warned not to drink the product during 

> their pregnancy, because it has been known to cause bleeding and could harm

> the fetus. All this aside...most people use it externally, and the healing

> abilities of the plant and it's extracts do help some skin problems. It is

> said that Cleopatra used the plant as a facial product and thus her beautiful

> skin; but if you asked me..."she ain't around now", so use your judgement

> wisely. Externally safe...internally - use caution.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alo Vera

From: oiffer@jake.esu.edu (David Ritchie)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:26:55 GMT



Ron Myers (r-myers1@uiuc.edu) wrote:

:   I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and it was 

: supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid of it and threw it

 

: out.  It seems most people think it is not suitable for internal use.

:     Does any one know how it is prepaired or of a reverence on preparation? 

:   I have a large amount growing in my basement but don' t burn myself enough 

: to use it up. :-)    Thanks,

:        Ron

>>>>>



I drink Aloe Vera juice... I'm not sure how it is prepared but it helps 

keep me healthy.  IT is supposed to be an immunity booster.  If you want 

more information on the plant and its uses I would suggest getting a copy 

of the book entitled 'Aloe, the inside story' by Bill Coats.  



                Dave

                uhlnpya@avocet.ma.iup.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: FWD: ?Herbal Book Info.

From: spcsinc@tyrell.net (Mark W. McBride, President)

Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:55:37 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: dehydrated apple crafts

From: PXUF37A@prodigy.com (Dana Hess)

Date: 13 Oct 1995 22:36:24 GMT



There was a bouquet of dried apple roses in the Family Circle magazine 

recently.  The directions were included.  If you can't find it, let me 

know via e-mail and I'll copy the directions and mail them to you.  They 

were BEAUTIFUL!!

-

  DANA HESS  PXUF37A@prodigy.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: medicinal herb FAQ correction on yohimbe

From: Willi Schoch <wschoch@mus.ch>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 10:37:42 GMT



Hek@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:

>

> Archive-name: medicinal-herbs/part5

> Posting-Frequency: monthly (on or about 20th)

> Last-modified: 1995/10/04

> Version: 1.14

> 

> A correction - the yohimbe / MAO inhibitor question is now formally 

> put to rest with the following stuff from Michael Moore 

> (hrbmoore@rt66.com):

> 

> The alkaloid yohimbine is NOT an MAO inhibitor. The herb yohimbe IS.

> 

> The whole plant is potentially so evil and insidious BECAUSE it's 

> complex chemistry contains both adrenergics AND cholinergics...with

> effects that substantially mimic both sympathetic adrenergic, sympathetic

> cholinergic AND parasympathetic neuroreceptors all at the same time.  It

> contains both yohimbine alkaloid groups (stimulating and hypertensive) 

> and several potent reserpinoid (Rauwolfia) alkaloids (tranquilizing and

> hypotensive)...a warlock's brew.

> 

> Consistant use will, because of it's wildly opposite effects, find and

> widen metabolic chinks in almost ANYBODY.

>



Willi



I am experimenting with yohimbe at the moment - I think a herbalist

should know the effects from her/his own experience. I use it for two

reasons: as a tonic and sometimes also to enhance a love-night. For 

the first use I take only little - and I haven't had negative effects

up to now - I take it now for about three weeks. I realize that it is

not designed to take for a very long time - actually most herbs should

discontinued after three to four weeks. My experiences as an

aphrodisiac have also been positive, but it works differently with

each individual. The best is to try little first, before taking high 

doses. My partner (male) didn't have such positive effects.



One of the problem with such drugs is the difficulty of dosage. I

use a ready made preparation by Herb Pharm: a tincture of 75 vol./pc.

and I use as little as seven drops for a tonic effect and about 20

drops as a sexual enhancer. The "recommended use" on the bottle says

30 to 40 drops - which is really too high for me.



In general I have made very good experiences with tinctures for any

potent drugs: it makes it very easy to take low doses.



Literature on the tonic effect: Michael Tierra, Planetary herbology.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on paw paw

From: Willi Schoch <wschoch@mus.ch>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 11:01:31 GMT



I am looking for information on the herb paw paw - presumably an

Australian plant. If anyone knows more about it, I would also be

interested to know where one can get it.



Thanks, Willi, Switzerland





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Info on paw paw

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 13:29:10 GMT



In article <45o5ab$kp2@ns.access.ch>, Willi Schoch <wschoch@mus.ch> wrote:



>I am looking for information on the herb paw paw - presumably an

>Australian plant. If anyone knows more about it, I would also be

>interested to know where one can get it.

>

>Thanks, Willi, Switzerland



There is an American plant (tree) known as the paw-paw.

Scientific name Asimina triloba.  Fruit is edible

although not exactly delicious.



The papaya (Carica, species name unknown) is also 

sometimes called paw-paw or papaw.  This produces an

enzyme called papain ... an excellent meat tenderizer

and antidote for insect bites.





Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cat's claw

From: dsrocus@aol.com (DSROCUS)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 07:53:26 -0400



My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

on the body?



Thanks!

Denise



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Johanna Simpson)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:25:49 GMT



DSROCUS (dsrocus@aol.com) writes:

> My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

> milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

> plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

> anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

> on the body?

 

        We have also been looking for information on Cat's Claw

        and have not come up with anything.  We did find Cat's Claw

        tea but would like to know where we would get capsules.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:42:52 GMT



If you would like information on Cat's Claw E-mail us your address and we 

will send you some information. We sell Cat' Claw int caplet form as well 

as Chinese herbs and chinese patent formulas. Cat' claw comes from the 

bark of a vine in Central And South America, with Peru being the #1 

source. Cat's Claw is really a generic name from the various types of 

species, Uncaria Tomentosa is the most powerful and thats what we sell.

Use this E-mail address or East@wwa.com and we willsend you more 

information. 



Sincerely,





Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: solodoc@aol.com (SoloDoc)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 07:12:05 -0400



I also have cats claw available through a company called Global Health

Shares. Capsule from and combined with vitamins. E Mail me if interested.

SoloDoc@AOL.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: ac505@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Johanna Simpson)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:25:49 GMT



DSROCUS (dsrocus@aol.com) writes:

> My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

> milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

> plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

> anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

> on the body?

 

        We have also been looking for information on Cat's Claw

        and have not come up with anything.  We did find Cat's Claw

        tea but would like to know where we would get capsules.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: dsrocus@aol.com

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 14 Oct 1995 23:37:07 GMT



If you are interested in information about Cat's Claw, E-Mail us your 

address and we will send you information. Cat's Claw is a generic name 

given to diffrent types of bark that comes off of a vine. Uncaria 

Tomentosa is the most powerful of the species. We sell it in caplet form, 

and it is extremely good. It comes from Peru and is harvested by the 

Ashinica Indians. Our Company East Meets West International specializes 

in Chinese Herbs and Herbs from Central and South America, as well as 

Chinese Patent Formulas. You can use this E-mail address or East@wwa.com 

for more info.



Sincerely,



Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Nick4621@beta.delphi.com

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: Connie Field <c21lhr@teleport.com>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:17:19 GMT





October 16, 1995



Dear Nick:



     My husband has lung cancer and now a spot on his liver as well as

a tumor inside hs ribs.  Would Cat's claw be of benefit to him ?  He is 

already taking the Essiac tea.



     Thank you for any information that you can give me. Please send me 

any information that you have on the Cat's Claw in relation to lung or 

liver cancer.





Thank you,



Connie A. Field





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: kungfu@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:23:05 GMT



DSROCUS (dsrocus@aol.com) wrote:

: My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

: milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

: plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

: anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

: on the body?



: Thanks!

: Denise



There are a couple of web sites with info on Cat' claw. Apparantly it is 

the bark of a tree growing in South America which contains the active 

ingredients.  the tree bears flowers which look like a cat's claw, hence 

the name.  You can find these sites by using the search engines to look 

for 'cat's claw'.  I have the info somewhere and if you are unable to 

look up the web sites, e-mail back and I will try to get the info for you.

-- 

John

*******************************************************

         The Chiu Lau Wing Chun Kung-Fu College

         E-mail: kungfu@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: chaugen@Direct.CA (Colleen Allen)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 03:28:25 GMT



In article <45o8bm$htk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dsrocus@aol.com (DSROCUS) says:

>

>My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

>milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

>plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

>anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

>on the body?

>

>Thanks!

>Denise



Hi Denise,

Hope this helps,



Colleen



          Uncaria tomentosa (Cat's Claw)

A wonderous herb from the Peruvian Rainforest.



By Phillip N. Steinberg,

Certified Nutritional Consultant



Uncaria tomentosa is an herb that grows wild in the 

highlands of the Peruvian Amazon.   It has been 

used for hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years by 

the native Ashanica Indians for treatment of a wide 

range of health problems associated with the 

immune and digestive  systems.



Beginning in the 1970's and continuing through 

today, research has been conducted on this 

remarkable plant in many countries throughout the 

world including: several research facilities in Peru; 

University of Innsbruck, Austria; University of 

Munich, Germany; The Huntington research Center, 

England; The Central Research Insitiute of 

Chemistry, Hungary; The Universities of Milan and 

Naples, Italy.  As a result of this ongoing research 

there is evidence to suggest that Uncaria tomentosa 

may be beneficial in the treatment of cancer, 

arthritis, bursitis, rheumatism, genital herpes and 

herpes zoster, allergies, ulcers, systemic 

candidiasis, PMS and irregularities of the female 

cycle, environmental toxin poisoning, numerous 

bowel and intestinal disorders, organic depression, 

and those infected with the HIV virus.



Dr. Brent W. Davis, D Cl, who has been working 

with Uncaria tomentosa for a number of years in  

the United States, has referred to this herb as The 

Opener of the Way because of its remarkable ability 

to cleanse the entire intestinal tract and help 

patients suffering from many different stomach and 

bowel disorders including: Crohn's disease, 

diverticulitis,leaky bowel syndrome, colitis,  

hemorrhoids, fistulas, gastritis, ulcers, parasites  and 

intestinal flora imbalance.  In its healing ability and 

benefit to the immune system, Uncaria tomentosa 

appears to have so many therapeutic applications 

that it far surpasses such well known herbs as Pau 

de Arco, Echinacea, Golden Seal, Astragulas and 

Siberian Ginseng, as well as Reishi and Shitake 

mushrooms, and other natural products such as 

Citrus Seed Extract, Caprylic Acid and Shark 

Cartilage.



Back in 1988 at the international Congress on 

Traditional; Medicines in Lima Peru, Uncaria 

tomentosa was discussed by medical doctors as one 

of a number of different herbs used to consistently 

cure cancer and other serious disorders.  One 

Peruvian physician spoke about his and his 

colleagues' successes with Uncaria tomentosa and 

other herbs in treating 14 types of accurately 

diagnosed cancer in 700 patients between 1984 and 

1988.



In his article titled A New World Class Herb For AK. 

Practice, Dr. Davis talks about his observation of 

Uncaria tomentosa  ability to break through severe 

intestinal derangements that no other available 

products can touch.  He comes to this conclusion 

after treating approximately 150 patients from 1988 

until 1992.



In July of 1989, US Patent#4,  844,901 was issued 

to a research scientist by the name of Klaus  

Keplinger for isolating six oxindole alkaloids from 

the root of Uncaria tomentosa. In this ten page 

technical patent it states that all but two of these 

alkaloids are suitable for the unspecific stimulation 

of the immunologic system.  The most 

immunologically active alkaloid, according to the 

patent, is Isopteropodine.  Isopteropodine (Isomer 

A), and to a lesser extent three of the other 

alkaloids, have been shown in laboraratory testing to 

leave a pronounced enhancement effect on 

phagocytosis (the ability of the white blood cells and 

macrophages to attack, engulf and digest harmful 

micro-organisms, foreign matter and debris.)



According to reseearch conducted at the Shanghai 

College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, 

Rynchophylline, one of the remaining two alkaloids 

which does not have immune-stimulating properties, 

has been shown in laboratory testing to displayan 

ability to inhibit platelet agggregation and 

thrombosis. This suggests that this alkaloid may be 

useful in the prevention of stroke and reducing the 

risk of heart attack by lowering blood pressure, 

increasing circulation, and inhibiting both the 

formation of plaque on the arterial walls and the 

formation of blood clots in the vessels of the brain, 

heart and arteries.



On November 28, 1988 and June 17, 1993 articles 

about Uncaria tomentosa appeared in El Comercio, 

the major metropolitan newspaper in Lima, Peru.  

The first artilce stated that Uncaria tomentosa had 

been proven to be effective in the treatment of 

allergies and Neurobronchitis.  The article then went 

on to talk about Dr. Keplinger's sucess in using 

Uncaria tomentosa to treat genital herpes and 

herpes zoster.  It ended with a discussion of his 

results in treating seven AIDS patients who 

displayed various progressions of the disease.  

According to the article, he was not able to help two 

of these patients however, the well being of the 

other five improved to such an extent that their 

symptoms disappeared.



The second article spoke about how Immodal, a 

laboratory in Austria under the direction of Dr. 

Keplinger, is using a medicine extracted from the 

vine of Uncaria tomentosa along with AZT.  This 

combination is being used to impede the 

multiplication of the HIV virus in the blood, activate 

the cells of the immune system and stop the 

development of cancerous cells.  The article went 

on to state that Immodal has commercialized this 

medicine under the name Krallendom and has 

successfully been using it for the past six years to 

treat people infected with the AIDS virus.  According 

to Immodal, practically none of the cases not yet 

showing symptoms of the disease developed 

further.  The cases that displayed the first symptoms 

of the diseease showed an improvement in blood 

analysis and a disappearance of clinical symptoms 

within the first year, a situation that continues to this 

day.  Finally the article mentioned that krallendom 

has also been effective in decreasing the 

unpleasant side iffects of both AZT and radiation 

therapy when used in cancer treatment.



Besides Isopteropodine and the other oxindole 

alkaloids, Italian and Peruvian researchers have 

isolated other beneficial constituents inherent in the 

herb including: several polyphenols and triterpines, 

and the plant steroids Beta-sitosterol, stigmasterol 

and campesterol.  The presence of these additional 

compounds might further explain the herb's anti-

oxidant properties, its ability to protect cells from 

damage caused by free radicals, and the anti-viral, 

anti-tumor and anti-inflammatory properties also 

attributed to this herb.



In Peru and other Spanish speaking countries, the 

common name for Uncaria tomentosa is Una de 

Gato, in English, Cats Claw.  It is important to note 

that there is another Uncaria species that grows in 

the lowlands of the Peruvian rainforests known as 

Uncaria guianensis.  This herb is also called Una de 

Gato and Cats Claw.



Uncaria gulanensis has been shown to have some 

of the same characteristics as Uncaria tomentosa 

with one major exception.  It does not contain the 

most important alkaloid, isopteropodine.  This would 

most likely result in this species being less effective 

for immune system applications.  It is therefore 

important to be aware that products being marketed 

as Cats Claw or Una de Gato can be either Uncaria 

tomentosa or Uncaria guianensis.



In the highly acclaimed, best selling book Vibrational 

Healing by Dr. Richard Gerber, M.D., Cat's Claw is 

mentioned as a unique herbal remedy that has been 

used for many years by native  healers of Peru.  He 

further states, the herb shows great promise for the 

treatment of Arthritis when taken internally, either by 

making a tea or taking capsules of the herb.  Dr. 

Gerber also explains that European studies have 

determined that Uncaria tomentosa has very low 

toxicity even if taken in large those individuals who 

suffer from painful joints and cannot take 

conventional medicines because of unpleasant side 

effects.  Finally,  he suggests that Cat's Claw might 

be helpful in reducing the side effects of radiation 

and chemotherapy associated with cancer 

treatments.



In the words of Dr. Brent Davis, Uncaria tomentosa 

is a world class herb which has the power to arrest 

and reverse deep seated pathology, allowing a more 

rapid return to health in the context of concomitant 

A.K, therapies.



In closing, I would like to share my personal 

experience with Uncaria tomentosa.  For 

approximately the last twenty years I have been 

plagued by a chronic urinary tract problem involving 

an unspecified inflammatory contition of the urethra 

and other symptoms commonly associated with an 

enlarged prostate gland.  Throughout these years I 

visited a number of different doctors both allopathic 

and holistic.  I tried conventional medicines, 

numerous vitamin and mineral regimens, herbal 

remedy combinations and an array of other natural 

products with minimal results.



In September of 1993, I was given an opportunity to 

sample several ounces of Uncaria tomentosa.  I 

began experimenting with the herb by brewing it as 

a tea and drinking three cups per day.  About half 

way into my third day of doing this, I began to notice 

the chronic  urinary symptoms starting to dimish.  

About half way into the second week the symptoms 

were virtually eliminated.



Since that initial experiment, as I continue to drink 

the tea daily, my resistance to colds, flu, and other 

types of infection remains high.  I am now able to 

perform heavier and more physically taxing work 

without the tired, sore muscles I would have 

normally experienced in the past.



Because of the numerous beneficial elements in this 

plant, the many years of use as a traditional 

medicine, coupled with my experience using this 

herb.  I have come to believe  that Uncaria 

tomentosa has tremendous potential as a successful 

preventative and treatment for many of today's 

serious heath problems.



About the Author



Phillip N. Steinberg is a graduate of The Nutritionist 

Institute of America and has been an owner/operator 

of several health and natural product stores.  He has 

also lectured and conducted workshops in 

alternative healing methods including Acupressure 

and Polarity Therapy.



At present,  Mr Steinberg is working as a consultant 

to the natural products industry, and as a free lance 

writer dealing with topics pertaining to nutrition and 

holistic health.



Correspondence:



Phillip N. Steinberg

P.O.Box 3014

Evergreen, CO

tel/fax (303) 674-2964



References:



1. U.S. Patent No, 4.  844,90 (dated July 4, 

1989)Oxindole Alkaloids having the properties 

stimulating the immunologic system.



2. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, Vol, 38, No. 1:63-

77, 1993 Jan. Mutagenic and antimutagenic 

activities of Uncaria tomentosa and its extracts.



3. Journal of Natural Products, Vol 54, No. 2: 453-9, 

1991 Mar/Apr. Plant metabolites.  New compounds 

and anti-inflammatory activity of Uncaria tomentosa.



4. Journal of Natural Products. Vol.53, No. 3-559-

64, 1990 May/June, New Polyhydroxylated 

triterpenes from Uncaria tomentosa.



5. Journal of Natural Products, Vol.52, No. Plant 

metabolites. Structure and in vitro Quinovic Acid 

Cycosides from Uncaria tomentosa and Guettarda 

Platypoda.



6. Journal of Natural Products, Vol. 51, No. 2:257-

61, 1988 Mar/Apr New Quinovic Acid.

Glycosides from Uncaria tomentosa.



7.  Planta Medica, Vol 51, pp. 419-23, 1985. The 

Alkaloids of Uncariia tomentosa and Their 

Phagocytosis Increasing effect.



8. All Farmaco, Ed. Sc. vol.31-fasc. 7, 1976.

Alkaloids and Procyanidins of an Uncaria sp. from 

Peru.



9. Brent W. Davis, DC. A New World Class Herb for 

AK Practice, Summer 1992.



10. El Comercio, Lima, Peru June 17, 1993.



11. El Comercio, Lima, Peru, November 28, 1988.



12. Dr. Richard Gerber, M.D.,Vibrational Healing, 

Atrium Publishing Group, 1988.



13. Arthritis News, Vol. 1 Summer 1989.



14. Cat's Claw Quarterly, Vol. 1, Summer 1989



15. K.Hostettmann and P.Lea, Biologically Active 

Natural Products, Oxford Science Publications, 

1987.



16. William Lane, Ph. D., Shark Cartilage Research 

Summary.



17. Planta Medica, Vol. 47, No. 4:244-5, 1983.

Alkaloids of Uncaria quianensis.



18. Phytochemistry, vol. 30, No. 5: 1635-7, 1991.

Quinovic Acid Glycosides from Uncaria from 

Uncaria guianensis.



19. Bull. Soc. Ital. Biol. Sper.,Vol. 65, No. 6: 517-

520, 1989. Phytochemical and Biological Research 

on Uncaris tomentosa.



20. Acta. Pham Sinica. Vol. 13, No. 2: 126-30, 1992.  

Inhibitory Effect of Rhynchophylline on Platelet 

Aggregation and Thromosis.



****



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: Ocotillo@rtd.com (ocotillo)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 03:48:58 GMT



In article <45o8bm$htk@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, dsrocus@aol.com (DSROCUS) wrote:



> My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

> milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

> plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

> anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

> on the body?

> 

> Thanks!

> Denise

) 

Cat's claw (Una de Gato) is one of the world's foremost tonic herbs from

the rainforests of Peru.  It is a premier immune system and metabolic

tonifying herb. Some feel that it even surpasses the benefits of popular

herbs like echinacea, golden seal, pau d'arco, garlic and Siberian

ginseng.  Several countries around the world have researched the

extraordinary benefits of this herb, and their studies seem to

substantiate the results claimed by the Ashaninka natives of Peru. 



It has been used for a wide variety of health problems, including

arthritis, cancer, allergies, candida, lupes, crohn's disease,

environmental toxins and many more.



It is said to 'clear the way' and help cleanse the body.  I have not heard

of any negative reactions to it.



I hope that this is helpful, 

Pat Jaksha



-- 

GoodHealth - Herbal and Homeopathic products

http://ocotillo.rtd.com

Pat Jaksha

520-624-4635

Ocotillo@rtd.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cat's claw

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:26:13 -0700



The bark and roots have been used for hundreds, perhaps 

thousands of years by the native Ashanica Indianns for treatment 

of a wide variety of health problems associated with the immune 

and digestive systems. Cats Claw is often called "The opener of 

the way, because of its remarkable ability to cleanse the entire 

intestinal tract and help those suffering from different stomach 

and bowel disorders" Dr. B. Davis DC.



I carry cats claw in two forms capsules and spagyric tinture. 

E-mail me your address and I will send you one of our catalogs.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND

docgreen@magicchain.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Handmade Soap, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oil

From: woody@epix.net (Soaplady)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 13:52:18 GMT



Hi I make handmade Soaps, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oils and more.

My products are all 100 % natural, no CHEMICALS.

For a brochure email your mailing address to woody@epix.net

Thank you

Soaplady

COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: flaxseed

From: infoman@nando.net (Infoman)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 13:32:45 -0400



Here at the public library in Raleigh,NC we have a patron who is 

interested in the nutritional values in flaxseed - the seed itself. We 

have been able to find a lot of material on flaxseed oil, but not on the 

raw seeds. We have used all the resources in the library and I have also 

surfed on Internet, with no luck. Does anyone have any information or 

guidance as to her questions:



In an ounce (or any other standard measure) of flaxseed, what is the 

caloric count, the fat content and the cholesterol level?



Thanks in advance for any advice.



Roy Dicks, Reference

Wake Co. Public Library

Infoman@nando.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RESULT: sci.med.midwifery moderated passes 271:20

From: handler@sub-rosa.com (Michael Handler)

Date: 14 Oct 1995 20:32:14 -0000



                                RESULT

           moderated group sci.med.midwifery passes 271:20



There were 271 YES votes and 20 NO votes, for a total of 291 valid votes.

There were 3 abstains and 14 invalid ballots.



For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)

votes.   There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.



There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.  If no

serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of

news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.



  sci.med.midwifery passed on Fri Sep 15 00:25:56 1995



Newsgroups line:

sci.med.midwifery       The practice of obstetrics by midwives. (Moderated)



The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Oct 1995.



This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Please address all

correspondence regarding the proposal to the proponent.



Proponent: Patrick Hublou <phublou@innet.be>

Votetaker: Michael Handler <handler@sub-rosa.com>



CHARTER: sci.med.midwifery



sci.med.midwifery will be a moderated discussion group on all aspects

of the practice of obstetrics by midwives. This can include, but is

not limited to case consultation, distribution of new information in

the specialty, discussion of the practice environment and conditions

and on the education and training in diversity of midwives.



The intended participants of this proposed group would be midwives.

All others without commercial aims involved in gentle midwifery

including and not limited to: Birthchild Educators, Labor Supporters,

Childbirth Assistants, Herbalists, Breastfeeding Consultances, Doulas,

and other people with relevant knowledge, skills, questions and

remarks are greatfully welcomed to join.



To make changes to the list of moderators a majority vote of all

moderators is required. Also the participants of Sci.med.midwifery

have to be involved in this proces that is lead by the moderating

team. Sufficient time for discussion within the group must be given

before the change eventually takes effect.



At least half of the team of moderators has to be midwives who reflect

and stand for both great diversity in care provided by midwives and

for great diversity in roads leading to be recognized as a midwife by

the community.



The team of moderators can appoint "associate moderators", who may

help the moderators by reviewing or moderating specific submissions or

specific types of submissions, or "backup moderators" who may step in

if one or more moderators are on leave.



The team of moderators can also appoint "facilitators", who can do

supportive work like maintaining the moderation script, compiling

digests and FAQs, but who are not involved in reviewing or moderating

submissions.



The same rules (required majority vote of the moderators, newsgroup

participation and percentage being midwives) apply for the appointment

or removal of associate or backup moderators and facilitators. All

votes are conducted solely by the full moderators. The total number of

co-operators added to the moderator-team may not exceed 50 p.c. of the

number of moderators.



If there is a general demand, a mailing list may be created probably

using the submission and contact address of the newsgroup. The

moderation software will be used to send approved articles to the

subscribers of the mailing list.



END CHARTER.



MODERATOR INFO: sci.med.midwifery



Moderator: "Mr. Bernhard Muenzer" <mue@gsf.de>

Moderator: "Ms. Cheri Van Hoover" <CheriVH@aol.com>

Moderator: "Ms. Deirdre E.E.A. Joukes" <065620@pc-lab.fbk.eur.nl>

Moderator: "Ms. Marjorie A. Dacko" <WVUY22A@prodigy.com>

Moderator: "Mr. Patrick Hublou" <phublou@innet.be>

Moderator: "Ms. Sabrina Cuddy" <swnymph@remarque.berkeley.edu>



Article submission address: midwifery@gsf.de

Administrative contact address: midwifery-request@gsf.de



END MODERATOR INFO.



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Voted Yes

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065620@pc-lab.fbk.eur.nl                                 Deirdre E.E.A. Joukes

100732.575@compuserve.com                                     werner schrooyen

A.Bon@let.uva.nl                                                        A. Bon

acb@ast.cam.ac.uk                                                 Amanda Baker

activist@clark.net                                              Rachael Hamlet

ae446@freenet.carleton.ca                                          Nigel Allen

aenochs@u.washington.edu                                             A. Enochs

afn26928@freenet.ufl.edu                                         Noelle L. Lee

ahall@cs.uml.edu                                                   Andrew Hall

AHawthorne@megaweb.com                              M. Adrienne Hawthorne, CNM

aileen@manorcon.demon.co.uk                                     Aileen Roberts

al715@yfn.ysu.edu                                                 Tina M. Wood

al@cec.wustl.edu                                         Alexander Leyzerovich

allie@cybernetics.net                                    Allie or Mike Littell

ALLOJAC@aol.com

almacdee@interaccess.com                               Allan and Liz MacDonald

almehj@caracol.llnl.gov                                          Henry J. Alme

amyjohns@u.washington.edu                                           A. Johnson

AndreaCris@aol.com

andyb@coat.com                                                    Andy Behrens

AngelB1@msn.com                                                         Angie

angeloni@ix.netcom.com                                         Sheryl Angeloni

anglotxt@pi.net                                               Karl M. Lubarsky

Annabun@aol.com

apearson@MR.Net                                                 Andrea Pearson

aprilken@halcyon.com                                                       Ken

aq652@freenet.carleton.ca                                           Donna Shaw

arielle@taronga.com                                         Stephanie da Silva

ARmidwife@aol.com

artemis@best.com                                                 Michelle Dick

ashwin@atria.com                                                  Ashwin Desai

aubin@halcyon.com

avery003@maroon.tc.umn.edu                                    Melissa D. Avery

baron.gina@gene.com                                           Gina Perez-Baron

baroness@ix.netcom.com                                               MeanNurse

berickson@fdant.nctr.fda.gov                                 Bruce D. Erickson

biow@cs.UMD.EDU

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BirthRite@aol.com

Blueanne@aol.com

bob@kaiwan.com                                                  Robert J. Sims

browns@islandnet.com                             Graeme Brown/Kate Weber Brown

brus@netcom.com                                                    Brus Wasson

btl@hogpa.ho.att.com

buff@io.org                                                     William Denton

buglady@bronze.lcs.mit.edu                                     Aliza R. Panitz

BUMSTEAD@cia.com                                                Shari Bumstead

burchell@inetnebr.com                                            Dave Burchell

Bwargo@ix.netcom.com                                        Beth-Michele Wargo

C.Brook@hbs.gu.edu.au                             Chris Brook, HSB 2.12, x5248

callie@writepage.com                                                    Callie

carol@ermine.com                                                 Carol Maranta

casey226@aol.com                                                      Casey226

cgowing@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us                               Cheryl Gowing

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chet@po.CWRU.Edu                                                    Chet Ramey

chris-barnes@tamu.edu                                             Chris Barnes

chrisf@iquest.net

CH_LEAR@cchs.su.edu.au                                                 CH_LEAR

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cjaffe@whidbey.net                                                Jaffe Hetler

cn.jpg@forsythe.stanford.edu                                       Marina Wolf

CNMMOM@aol.com

CNMPAT@aol.com

COTTREAU@IHIS.CMH.ON.CA                                      Michelle Cottreau

csgro@electro.com                                                   Carlo Sgro

cudma@csv.warwick.ac.uk                                          Denis Anthony

cyndi@nyet.atl.ga.us                                            Cynthia Hardie

d.robertson@physics.gla.ac.uk                                  David Robertson

dalton@mail.med.upenn.edu                              Frank Dalton/Emily Fine

dam@ouray.cudenver.edu                                                 Deantha

dany@teleport.com                                            Daniel Youngquist

Daphnetree@aol.com

david.lloyd-jones@canrem.com                                 David Lloyd-Jones

david@linsey.demon.co.uk                                          David Linsey

davidsen@tmr.com                                                 bill davidsen

DebraGrant@msn.com                                                 Debra Grant

Derick@dthomas.demon.co.uk                                       Derick Thomas

diorio@netaxis.com                                               Sharon DiOrio

djz@efn.org                                               Donna Dolezal Zelzer

dnagey@c3p0.ab.umd.edu                                             David Nagey

donaldm@idirect.com                                               Don Morrison

dornsj@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu                                      Sherman Dorn

dpullen@dudley.lib.usf.edu                                   Dee Pullen (CIRC)

dr@ICSI.Net                                                     Dan Rothschild

dsparks@pobox.com                                                  Dave Sparks

DuQuoi@aol.com

eaa@doc.ic.ac.uk                                                     Liz James

ECWhitley@aol.com

edh@rmii.com                                                Edward D. Hinckley

eliz@bae.bellcore.com                                           Elizabeth Gene

elle@midway.uchicago.edu                                 Ellen Keyne Seebacher

EMENS@VAX309.NHRC.NAVY.MIL                              Kristee Emens-Hesslink

eris@tc.fluke.COM                                              Chris Beckmeyer

firr@igc.apc.org                                                          FIRR

fjames@airmail.net                                                 Frank James

g8826058@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA                              William M. Whelan

galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu                                          Denis McKeon

garvin+@pitt.edu

gdignard@tranquility.com                                        Gilles Dignard

gedaliah@panix.com                                        Gedaliah Friedenberg

gibbsm@ll.mit.edu                                             Margaret D Gibbs

GinaRN@aol.com

goddijn@fgbbs.iaf.nl                                             Frans Goddijn

grnwave@netcom.com                                                      Lilith

GRTS61A@prodigy.com                                             EMILY E THAYER

GYBT51B@prodigy.com                                        MRS LEILA E MARCIAL

handerso@suffolk.lib.ny.us                                            Anderson

Heather@smtp.esiusa.com                                          Heather Stroh

heidi@plaza.ds.adp.com

hermit@cats.ucsc.edu

HQFX33A@prodigy.com                                        MS CATHRYN M FISHER

hrose@rocza.kei.com                                        Helen Trillian Rose

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ione@halcyon.com                                                  C. Ione Sims

irina@rempt.xs4all.nl                                    Irina Rempt-Drijfhout

IVD@aol.com

jaapjl@fmd00.larc.nasa.gov                                            Lee Jaap

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jaz@primenet.com                                                Judy A. Zimmet

jburnes@inlink.com                                                  Jim Burnes

jcook@Fox.NSTN.Ca                                                  Joanne Cook

jeanne@netlanta.com                                                     jeanne

Jenni_Escobar_at_SMT__PO01@pc.radian.com

JerseyJan@aol.com

jfare@mseng2.waterloo.NCR.COM                                        Fare, Jim

jgroves@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu                            JILL MAUREEN GROVES

jh@nbn.com                                                         John Harkin

jkellett@netcom.com                                                Joe Kellett

jmcgarry@uoguelph.ca

joe@decoy.uoregon.edu                                            Joe St Sauver

john@iastate.edu

jolovicl@iia.org                                        Leah and Shawn Johnson

JonA53@aol.com

jonboy@io.org                                                           Jonboy

jpc@hammer.msfc.nasa.gov                                       J. Porter Clark

jpoulter@IslandNet.com                                            Jack Poulter

JRELYEA@ua-nursing.ualberta.ca

JRem515@aol.com

jseiken@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                             Jeffrey J Seiken

k2ucxk@bronze.fnma.com                                        Cynthia K. Paris

karen@dolphin.upenn.edu                                          Karen C Pesta

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Kaycnm@aol.com

kcervi@umabnet.ab.umd.edu                                     Kathryn M. Cervi

kdennis@io.org                                                    Kathy Dennis

keb@u.washington.edu                                          Kathleen Bennett

ken@actech.com                                                    Ken McKinney

khalsa@netcom.com                                                 G. K. Khalsa

kkahar@uoguelph.ca                                                Kersti Kahar

kornel@sfu.ca                                                   Jude Kornelsen

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kr@iok.unit.no                                                Kirsten Rognstad

KrisFromPA@aol.com

krr@UDel.Edu                                                   Karen Rosenberg

ksbarent@ccnet.com

kst@paul.spu.edu                                                 Kirsti Thomas

ktan@metz.une.edu.au                                           Kathleen Claire

lance@gene.com                                                Lance Sultzbaugh

lance@rahul.net                                                  Lance K. Chun

LauraDalt@aol.com

lawtoc@rpi.edu

lcowan@indiana.edu                                     Lara Cowan-Vesper, IBRC

LezlieDen@aol.com

lhankin@ibm.net

list-votes@dream.hb.north.de                                  Martin Schr"oder

ljensen@steamboat.cray.com                                      Laura E Jensen

lklerr@sas.upenn.edu                                         kaliedescope eyes

lmiller@primenet.com                                         Lucinda L. Miller

lorenz@sierra.net                                                  Chuck Royce

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machemer@sjfc.edu                                             Richard Machemer

MamaNana@aol.com

Mana.News@internetMCI.COM                                      Tina L. Raymond

ManaMW@aol.com

Marie@dthomas.demon.co.uk                                    Anne-Marie Thomas

marijke@ibeam.com                                            Marijke Gantvoort

MARImidwif@aol.com

marsha@test120.qdeck.com

maury@turing.eecs.uic.edu                                      Maurine Neiberg

MCCAFFER@aol.com

mcgregoa@Cognos.COM                                            Alayne McGregor

medpa@emory.edu                                                  phylis austin

mgillmo@emory.edu                                            Mary Gillmor-kahn

MGT61@delphi.com                                         MARGUERITE H. EPSTEIN

michal@gordian.com                                                 Michal Peri

Midweif@aol.com

MidwifeSR@aol.com

molivier@u.washington.edu                                     Michelle Olivier

monad@best.com                                                 Jason Hollister

moreta@prostar.com

mother@freenet.ufl.edu                                             Motherheart

mpaliescheskey@ucdavis.edu                                  Mary Paliescheskey

msimpson@dres.dnd.ca

Mttbirthrn@aol.com

mue@gsf.de                                                    Bernhard Muenzer

mwdaniel@students.uiuc.edu                                  Michael W. Daniels

mwessell@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu                         Meredith L Wessells

nan@astro.Princeton.EDU                                             Nan Ellman

noam@actcom.co.il                                                   Noam Kuzar

normanr@primenet.com                                               Sharon Rust

norrisdc@vax.sbu.ac.uk

Oiuser1519@aol.com

olav@viking.mv.com                                             Olav Nieuwejaar

Ollivier.Robert@hsc.fr.net                                     Ollivier Robert

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pburch@condor.mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu                                     Paula Burch

pete@nyet.atl.ga.us                                                Pete Hardie

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Phillip.Hale@internetMCI.COM                                   Phillip A. Hale

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plomp@together.net                                                 Karen Plomp

power007@maroon.tc.umn.edu                                    Dave Power Power

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pyewackt@song.iii.net                                            Maureen Vahey

pziemkow@umich.edu                                       A.Speedy/P.Ziemkowski

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robsmith@u.washington.edu                                      Robert P. Smith

rochelle@dolphin.upenn.edu                                  Rochelle M Webster

ruth_esteves@primate.ucdavis.edu                                  Ruth Esteves

rutledge@hopf.dnai.com                                                Rutledge

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sawin@math.mit.edu                                               Stephen Sawin

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terwielc@knoware.nl                                           Christel Terwiel

tiffcole@midwives.org

tigger@sylvan.com                                                 Grace Sylvan

Tino@sierra.net

tlawson@email.develop.american.edu                              Todd C. Lawson

U60342@UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU

untangle@io.org                                               Robert O'Connell

uskes@mcl.ucsb.edu                                               Shannon Smith

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coan@netcom.com                                                      John Coan

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emme0002@gold.tc.umn.edu                                       Matthew A. Emme

fuy1@gl.umbc.edu

infinity@infinite.win.net                                        Brandon Reese

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jde1@ix.netcom.com

jrm@globalvillag.com                                     John R. MacWilliamson

patl@skyclad.lcs.mit.edu                                   Patrick J. LoPresti

rick@bcm.tmc.edu                                             Richard H. Miller

ryang@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu                                     Glen Patrick Ryan

smarry@turing.toronto.edu                                         Smarasderagd

stainles@bga.com                                                  Dwight Brown

tgm@netcom.com                                            Thomas G. McWilliams

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: plants

From: kojak@ix.netcom.com (d/a/t )

Date: 14 Oct 1995 22:01:52 GMT



Is there a good newsgroup that could answer questions about regular

household plants.  I know what certain plants look like but I don't

know what they are called.  I want to grow them myself. Also wondering

about how to keep my place humid enough for the plants in the winter.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Feverfew for Migraines(and menstrual cramps, maybe)

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:59:45 -0700



In article <2941@alexus.cts.com>, filksing@alexus.cts.com (Filksinger) wrote:



> A while back there was some discussion on treating (and better yet, 

> =preventing=) migraines with the herb feverfew.

> 

> Could people please repost the information, especially with regard to dosages?

> Thanks in advance.

> 

> (PS - yes, I am also contacting local sources, have books on reserve, etc.

> I'm trying to get information from a wide variety of sources to compare.)

> 

> 

Here is some info I posted a few months ago. The wife has used it for

mensrual cramps with what looks like some success need a few more trials (

yes I know about the other herbs for this but none have worked as well for

her, not surprising considering how it works).  Trader Joe's in Calif. now

carries it at a very economical price.





Below I have put together an excerpt on feverfew.  It is a powerful 

anti-inflammatant and I would not be surprised if it made the aches and pains go

away and the varicose veins clear up.  It is possible that the Ge 132 and 

feverfew work in concert as suggested by users on this forum; however, it would 

be interesting to see how the source of feverfew used in the Vitalium product 

alone would fair.  Potencies of herbs can very dramatically from product to 

product, echinaeceae herb would be a good example of this, different species and

root and leaf sources.



>From the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, Murray & Pizzorno:



page 418-19 on migraines:

Feverfew (Tanacetum parthenium) A recent survey found that 70 per cent of 270 

migraine sufferers who had eaten feverfew daily for prolonged periods claimed 

that the herb decreased the frequency and/or intensity of their attacks.[39]  

Many of these patients had been unresponsive to orthodox medicines. This 

prompted the clinical investigation of the therapeutic and preventive effects of

feverfew in the treatment of migraine. The double-blind study was done in a 

controlled setting at the London Migraine Clinic, using patients who reported 

being helped by feverfew.[39] Those patients who received

the placebo (and as a result stopped using feverfew) had a significant increase 

in the frequency and severity of headache, nausea and vomiting during the six 

months of the study, while patients taking feverfew showed no change in the 

frequency or severity of their symptoms. Two patients in the placebo group who 

had been in complete remisslon during self-treatment with feverfew leaves 

developed recurrence of incapacitating migraine and had to withdraw from the 

study.  The resumptlon of self-treatment led to renewed remission of symptoms in

both patients.



The efficacy of feverfew in the prevention of migraine headaches is probably due

to its ability to:



% Inhibit the secretion of serotonin from platelets.

% Decrease blood vessel response to vasoconstrictors (adrenaline, acetylcholine,

bradykinin, prostaglandins, histamine and serotonin).

% Inhibit the production of inflammatory substances (prostaglandins, 

leukotrienes and thromboxanes).[40-2]





page 497 on rhuematiod arthritis:

Feverfew (Tanacetum parthenium) As feverfew has a long folk history in the 

treatment of fever, arthritis and migraine, it would be only natural to assume 

that feverfew acts in a similar fashion to aspirin researchers have actually 

shown extracts of feverfew to have greater activity in inhibiting inflammation 

and fever than aspirin in experimental studies.[49,50,51] They have specifically

shown feverfew extracts to inhibit  the synthesis of many pro-inflammatory 

compounds at their initial stage of synthesis.  In 

addition, feverfew also decreases the secretion of inflammatory particles from 

platelets and white blood cells.



The net effect of feverfew's action is a significantly decreased inflammatory 

response. These experimental studies provide insight to the exact healing effect

of feverfew in the treatment of arthritis.





39  Johnson, E.S., Kadam, N.P., Hylands, D.M. and Hylands,  P.J. TEfficacy of 

feverfew as prophylactic treatment of migraine', Br. Med. 1., 1985,

 291, ~1~. 569-73.



40  Makheja, A.M. and Bailey, J.M., 'The active principle in feverfew~, Lancet, 

1981, ii, p. 1,054.



41/50 Makheja, A.M. and Bailey, J.M., 'A platelet phospholipase inhibitor from 

the medicinal herb feverfew (Tanacetum parthenium)', Prostagland. Leukotri. 

Med., 1982, 8, pp. 653-60.



42/51 Heptinstall, S., White, A., Williamson, L. and Mitchell, J.R.A., 'Extracts

of feverfew inhibit granule secretion in blood platelets and

polymorphonuclcar Ieukocytes', Lancet, 1985, i, pp. 1,071-4



49 Capasso, F., 'The effect of an aqueous extract of Tanacetum parthenium L. on 

arachidonic acid metabolism by rat peritoneal Ieucocytes',

Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology, 1986, 38, pp. 71-2.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lychee berries?

From: Robert Allen Stevens <meaderyman@delphi.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 19:57:24 -0500



someone has suggested I take lychee berries for my lupus - i guess for

the pain.  any info on  a source and the pharmacology of these berries

would be appreciated.   Bob Stevens



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lychee berries?

From: jgarcia@peach.epix.net (Jose Garcia)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 03:43:13 GMT



>   Robert Allen Stevens <meaderyman@delphi.com> writes:

>  someone has suggested I take lychee berries for my lupus - i guess for

>  the pain.  any info on  a source and the pharmacology of these berries

>  would be appreciated.   Bob Stevens

>  

>>>>



Long ago, in Florida, my father would bring home fresh "lychee nuts" (really

a fruit or berry). These came from South Florida where the climate is 

conducive for lychee culture. I have seen canned lychee berries in the 

Chinese food section of grocery stores in the North. If you know someone

living in South Florida, you might ask that they mail you some fresh 

lychee berries.



As for pharmacology, you might join and post a question to the 

phytopharmacognosy mailbase. If you are familiar with listservers, then

you will know how the mailbase works. Send the single line, without the

quotes, "join phytopharmacognosy your_first_name your_last_name" (substitute

your first and last name in the command) in the body of the message and 

address it, with no subject, to mailbase@mailbase.ac.uk. Once on the list

you can receive a list of commands to send by sending the single word "help"

in your message. To ask your question, send a message to the list, address 

your message to phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk and all the members of the

mailbase list will receive a copy of your message. There are many PhD list 

members, possibly one will be able to supply the pharmacology information 

you are seeking. This mailbase is monitored and an introduction of yourself 

to the list is required.



Peace,

Jose



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Flaxseed

From: CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu (Cynthia DiDonato)

Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 21:51:58 EDT



Flaxseed is an excellent source of nutritional fiber and protein,Unfortunately

it is loaded with fat:a single tbsp. yields more than four grams.I did not find

 any info on cholestrol. Source:The Herb Companion magazine June/July1995

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complicati

From: lowoaoco@aol.com (Lowoaoco)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 09:13:30 -0400



Pneumatosis intestinales is a condition seen relatively frequently in

premature infants - it is most likely due to an infectious process, but

the exact organism(s) have not been identified.  More recently, it has

been seen in association with immunocompromised conditions (such as HIV

patients and patients undergoing therapy for malignancies).   In the case

of the describe scenerio, it was most likely due to an infectious organism

at a time when the ANC was low - no particular medications to my knowledge

have been directly linked to it.  The supplements that you mention (phos

and K) often cause stomach irritation not associated with pneumatosis.



The usual treatement for penumatosis is broad spectrum antibiotics, bowel

rest (with perhaps nutrition by vein), frequent abdominal physical exams

and xrays to assure the bowel does not rupture.  Surgery is the last

alternative.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pnematosis? - Gastrointestinal Complicati

From: kavosh@dgsys.com (Kavosh Soltani)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 03:01:05 GMT



Lowoaoco (lowoaoco@aol.com) wrote:

: Pneumatosis intestinales is a condition seen relatively frequently in

: premature infants - it is most likely due to an infectious process, but

: the exact organism(s) have not been identified.  More recently, it has

: been seen in association with immunocompromised conditions (such as HIV

: patients and patients undergoing therapy for malignancies).   In the case

: of the describe scenerio, it was most likely due to an infectious organism

: at a time when the ANC was low - no particular medications to my knowledge

: have been directly linked to it.  The supplements that you mention (phos

: and K) often cause stomach irritation not associated with pneumatosis.



: The usual treatement for penumatosis is broad spectrum antibiotics, bowel

: rest (with perhaps nutrition by vein), frequent abdominal physical exams

: and xrays to assure the bowel does not rupture.  Surgery is the last

: alternative.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: looking for the aphrodisiac

From: twizzle@twizzle.win-uk.net (KF JENKINS)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:34:30 GMT



We have always used herbs to help with indigestion and

insomnia,but,has anyone got info on stimulants.

aphrodisiac would be prefered but any other info on other

herbs would be useful

many thanks 

pj 



TWIZZLE.

U.K.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Book

From: markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:55:02 GMT



Howdy;



I am new to the group and want to ask a question that I am sure has

been asked a bunch of times before, so I want to apologize in advance.



I was into herbs about 15 years ago. Over the years I kinda got away

from it and just recently started taking a herbal mixture for the

arthritis in my lower back. I am feeling much better and would like a

book that deals with herbal remedies.



I had a book that was excellent, but cannot find it anywhere. It was

paperback and if I remember was almost like an "herbal encyclopedia"

in that it covered descriptions, pictures and suggestions for use for

a heck of a lot of the available herbs. There was also a section for

herbal remedies.



Anyway, is there a book on the market now that is similar, or can

anyone suggest an alternative?



Thanks in advance,



Mark Stanfrord



*****************************************************************

Mark C. Stanford KJ6JC

Anaheim, Ca 

markstan@deltanet.com



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey

 and car keys to teenage boys."



-P.J. O'Rourke

*****************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: igloo@gate.net

Date: 16 Oct 1995 08:21:25 GMT



>   markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford) writes:

>  Howdy;

        snip

>  I was into herbs about 15 years ago. Over the years I kinda got away

>  from it and just recently started taking a herbal mixture for the

>  arthritis in my lower back. I am feeling much better and would like a

>  book that deals with herbal remedies.



        I don't have an answer to your question, but I have a question for you.  What i

s the herbal 

mixture that is helping your lower back? Thanks.

        Eliska (igloo@gate.net)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:21:12 GMT



igloo@gate.net wrote:



>>   markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford) writes:

>>  Howdy;

>       snip

>>  I was into herbs about 15 years ago. Over the years I kinda got away

>>  from it and just recently started taking a herbal mixture for the

>>  arthritis in my lower back. I am feeling much better and would like a

>>  book that deals with herbal remedies.



>       I don't have an answer to your question, but I have a question for you.  What 

is the herbal 

>mixture that is helping your lower back? Thanks.

>       Eliska (igloo@gate.net)





Eliska,



It is a mixture called "ArthPlus" put out by Nature's Herbs. I got it

at GNC and from what I can tell by referencing the limited herb

pamphlet that I have, all or most of the numerous ingredients are

recommended for arthritis or joint inflammation. All I know is that it

works for me, much better than the prescription that I got from my MD.

Hope this helps. I can list the ingredients if interested.



Mark



*****************************************************************

Mark C. Stanford KJ6JC

Anaheim, Ca 

markstan@deltanet.com



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey

 and car keys to teenage boys."



-P.J. O'Rourke

*****************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: edm@jessica (Ed McGuigan)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 18:09:27 GMT



 markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford) writes:

>  Howdy;

>       snip

>  I was into herbs about 15 years ago. Over the years I kinda got away

>  from it and just recently started taking a herbal mixture for the

>  arthritis in my lower back. I am feeling much better and would like a

>  book that deals with herbal remedies.

> 

I have a lot of fabulous herb books I can recommend, but they're at home,

and I'm at my friend's computer.  Also, I know quite a bit about herbs and

herbal remedies myself.  For book titles and questions, send SASE to:

                         T. Frisco

                         94 Bayo Vista Ave., #203

                         Oakland, CA  94611  USA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 08:36:42 GMT



markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford) wrote:

**dele**

>Anyway, is there a book on the market now that is similar, or can

>anyone suggest an alternative?



Judging from your address, you are one of the lucky ones!



Check out "Medicinal Herbs of the Pacific Northwest" by Michael Moore



Pictures, descriptions, and suggestions for use.  Also fun to read!

>



>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 09:47:06 GMT



In article <45vpuq$4uj@maureen.teleport.com>, Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

wrote:

> 

> Check out "Medicinal Herbs of the Pacific Northwest" by Michael Moore

> 

> Pictures, descriptions, and suggestions for use.  Also fun to read!





Thanks! 



 ;-)#



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:36:53 GMT



markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford) wrote:



>  (((snipped)))

>I had a book that was excellent, but cannot find it anywhere. It was

>paperback and if I remember was almost like an "herbal encyclopedia"

>in that it covered descriptions, pictures and suggestions for use for

>a heck of a lot of the available herbs. There was also a section for

>herbal remedies.



>Anyway, is there a book on the market now that is similar, or can

>anyone suggest an alternative?



>*****************************************************************

>Mark C. Stanford KJ6JC

>Anaheim, Ca 

>markstan@deltanet.com



Make bets what you had was John Lust's 'The Herb Book', Bantam Books?



I *think* it's still available.  



If not, try:  'The Healing Herbs' by Michael Castleman, paperback

Bantam Books.  It's new out (1995) and not bad.  Cost is $6.99 US and

$8.99 Cdn.

Good Luck!

:-)

--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: markstan@deltanet.com (Mark C. Stanford)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:17:36 GMT



cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek) wrote:



ake bets what you had was John Lust's 'The Herb Book', Bantam Books?



>I *think* it's still available.  



>If not, try:  'The Healing Herbs' by Michael Castleman, paperback

>Bantam Books.  It's new out (1995) and not bad.  Cost is $6.99 US and

>$8.99 Cdn.

>Good Luck!

>:-)

>--

>*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

>*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador



It has been so long ago, I don't know. I'll know it when I find it.

Lust's book was suggested by someone else, so it must still be

available. I'll look for both.

Thanks for the help,

Mark



*****************************************************************

Mark C. Stanford KJ6JC

Anaheim, Ca 

markstan@deltanet.com



"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey

 and car keys to teenage boys."



-P.J. O'Rourke

*****************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: nw group being proposed for ads on healthprod.

From: yolanda@worldaccess.nl (yolanda van nieuwkoop)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:44:43 GMT



In misc.health.alternative and in alt.config groups soma@news.dorsai.org

(*selah*) wrote:

>This is the 2nd and final posting for this proposal. There have been 

>favorable responses to the first one.

>I would like to propose the creation of alt.forsale.nutrition which would 

>be for the purpose of advertisements for vitamin, mineral, nutritional,  

>and health-food products.



I found this message when reading the Misc.health.alternative news and found it

was not posted in this group. I think it concerns this group since we are

getting these commercial's as well and some people might like to know this is

now being proposed in the alt.config. If you want to know more about this please

look there or ask *selah*  (and don't ask me).



Yolanda 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: nw group being proposed for ads on healthprod.

From: oneman@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:48:42 GMT



yolanda van nieuwkoop (yolanda@worldaccess.nl) wrote:

: In misc.health.alternative and in alt.config groups soma@news.dorsai.org

: (*selah*) wrote:

: >This is the 2nd and final posting for this proposal. There have been 

: >favorable responses to the first one.

: >I would like to propose the creation of alt.forsale.nutrition which would 

: >be for the purpose of advertisements for vitamin, mineral, nutritional,  

: >and health-food products.



: I found this message when reading the Misc.health.alternative news and found i

t

: was not posted in this group. I think it concerns this group since we are

: getting these commercial's as well and some people might like to know this is

: now being proposed in the alt.config. If you want to know more about this plea

se

: look there or ask *selah*  (and don't ask me).



: Yolanda 

:  



: I think it would be a really good idea to have a specific newsgroup for 

: advertising natural products.

 --

:Gary O'Neill or Adele Mandryk



:Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6C 2B1



:oneman@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Spirulina Question

From: Preeti Sharma <preeti+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:55:08 -0400



Dear All,

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a place where I coudl buy pure

Spirulina ( no fillers) pills and in dried powdered form.

I live in Pittsburgh, PA

Also, I would love to know about mail order sources.



Thanks

Preeti





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spirulina Question

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 07:12:39 -0700



Hi Peter,



I think I may be able to help. I cary spirulina in bulk and 

tabs.



I will be glade to send you a catalog if you drop me your

mailing address.



In Health,



Robert Green, ND

docgreen@magicchain.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spirulina Question

From: tommyg001@aol.com (Tommyg001)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 18:53:53 -0400



Depends on how much you want to buy.  I have seen international trade

group wanting to sell *s* from china.  but you must want lots of it...it

is a very cheap, cultured product for export.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: healing

From: nella@ix.netcom.com (Angela L. Garner )

Date: 15 Oct 1995 20:57:57 GMT



         I really believe in uniting with other new age

businesses.There's no sense in hurting eachother by not helping

eachother.Alot of people who have helped Pan's Grove grow, are people

who run other newsletters themselves.In turn, I have made sure that

Pan's Grove helps other businesses in various ways, also.One of the

ways, coming out in this winter issue of Pan's Grove is the submission

of a page from the Magickiael Press here in San Diego.They have had

alot of bad luck this season, as well as financial difficulties since

it is a "free" newsletter.Like I said , it will be in the winter issue

of Pan's Grove, however, for those of you who cannot/will not get Pan's

Grove newsletter, I will post(w/ permission,) material from the

upcoming Magickiael Press which I feel should be known to the general

public; I have no room to post it on the Pan's Grove web page(

http://pages.prodigy.com/CA/Southern/goddess/pansgrove.html) The

Magickiael Press is also distributed by:  Bonnies Custom Crafts &

Herbs, 3262 Main St., Lemon Grove, CA  91946.......write;they also need

wiccan submissions.

                

              With the event of World War II, strontium 90 radiation

has escalated constantly permeating the biosphere of Gaia and us.From

the first nuclear bombs released on Japan to accidents such as

Chernobyl this radioactive substance and others can be cleansed from

your system in a tastey manner.

       (Miso detoxifies the body of Nicotine and Strontium 90)  ,



           ROSEMARY AND RED MISO SOUP



           1 onion finely diced

           1 clove of garlic finely diced

           4 cups of water

           4 chicken bullion cubes

           2 tablespoons red Miso

           1 tablespoon minced fresh rosemary

             

              Heat to a boil and serve, you can add French Sorrel,

dandelion leaves, or mustard leaves if you wish as these fresh herbs

prevent cell mutation causing cancer. These high vitamin and beta

carotene & vitamin C foods even prevent premature ageing.



          NICOTINE DETOXIFIER AND IMMUNE SYSTEM FORTIFYING TONIC

           1 cup fresh carrot juice

           1 eyedropper full of echinacea

           1 tablespoon fresh lemon juice



            * combine ingredients in a glass, mix well & drink

            



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Has anyone tried Flor-essence?

From: melodycp@ix.netcom.com (Melody C. Pfeiffer)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 22:28:29 GMT



Has anyone tried an herbal product called Flor-essence? What are the

benefits, side-effects? Appreciate any information on this product.

Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone tried Flor-essence?

From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:29:30 GMT



Melody C. Pfeiffer wrote on 15 Oct 1995 22:28:29 GMT:

: Has anyone tried an herbal product called Flor-essence? What are the

: benefits, side-effects? Appreciate any information on this product.

: Thanks.



Flor-essence is the version of Renee Caisse's Essiac produced by the Flora

corporation.  It's prepared and taken as a tea.  It is generally thought of

as an immune stimulant, especially useful in cancer cases.  My father was

taking it prior to dying of cancer in 1994.  He was adamant in stating that

it greatly improved his quality of life in his last months and weeks.  There

are no side effects, so far as I know, when the product is used as directed. 

Many patients report that it has an analgesic effect in addition to any

immunostimulant properties it is purported to possess.



--

                                |

Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para

North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."

                                |               -Carlos Castaneda

                                |



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone tried Flor-essence?

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:04:29 -0600



Melody C. Pfeiffer (melodycp@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

: Has anyone tried an herbal product called Flor-essence? What are the

: benefits, side-effects? Appreciate any information on this product.

: Thanks.



My friend and I tried it.  She has Hodgkin's disease and a brain tumor 

and I was just trying it out on the preventative dosage.  My friend got 

severely consipated on the high "dosage" of Flor-essence.  It was so bad, 

she had to go to her doctor to get laxatives.  It upset my digestive 

system too.  Then, she tried just the Essiac formula.  She was taking the 

preventative dose to avoid what happened on the Flor-essence.  While she 

was taking it, her brain tumor enlarged and she got pretty sick.  

Now, I don't know if the herbs caused this to happen, but I have read 

that Essiac sometimes enlargens the tumors before they shrink.  In the 

case of a brain tumor, this wasn't a good thing.  So she stopped taking 

the Essiac too.



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Tea Tree Oil

From: CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu (Cynthia DiDonato)

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 18:33:12 EDT



I also would be interested in what kind of dilution of essence of tea tree

oil is needed to treat Athlete's Foot.

 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:07:25 



In article: <17438104E8S86.CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu>  CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu 

(Cynthia DiDonato) writes:

> 

> I also would be interested in what kind of dilution of essence of tea tree

> oil is needed to treat Athlete's Foot.





Most essential oils are diluted at 2.5% to 5% but Tea Tree can be used "Neat"



One drop spread in between the toes after washing the feet is my 

recommendation. 



Graham





>  

> 

> 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Re:Tea Tree Oil

From: isjlf@orion.alaska.edu

Date: 16 Oct 95 10:04:31 AST



In article <17438104E8S86.CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu>, CDSCTHS@uriacc.uri.edu (Cynth

ia DiDonato) writes:

> I also would be interested in what kind of dilution of essence of tea tree

> oil is needed to treat Athlete's Foot.

>  

Use the tea tree oil straight out of the bottle. We found what *really*

worked for persistant athlete's foot was a foot soak or two in a decoction

of Arctic wormwood, comfrey and yarrow. I kind of shotgunned with the herbs

that grow out here in the (uncultivated) yard. 



Actually, I was treating feet the had a hay baler tongue dropped on them 

during haying this summer. The fact that the athlete's foot went away took 

the cowboy by surprise...



Jan

Swift Creek Ranch

south coast of Alaska



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:Tea Tree Oil

From: Penina Finger <Penina@terminus.intermind.net>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 06:10:12 GMT



I am posting with an aromatherapist friend, Angela Melia, who says the 

following: "In my experience, tea tree oil can be used undiluted to 

treat athlete's foot. However, make sure that the oil you have is high 

quality and not cut with alcohol or any other filler. Be willing to ask 

the source of your oil for details about how their oil is processed. 

Thursday Plantation is good."



I (me, Penina) have also had good experiences with Desert Essence.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula.  Not commercial

From: Success <kayto@pinc.com>

Date: 15 Oct 1995 22:59:33 GMT



Could you put in in the right direction?



Rick Lee





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula.  Not commercial

From: CHJR84B@prodigy.com (Roy Rohe)

Date: 15 Oct 1995 23:22:45 GMT



Hi, Rick.. I've found some natural herbal products that have worked 

wonders on myself and friends..both weightwise and healthwise.. They're 

safe and consistent with my research as a student of Chinese Medecine.  

I'm seriouse these herbal combinations really do work!  If interested, 

I'll be glad to send info .. Dee





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Rhuematoid Arthritis Help!

From: "Sandra D. Roddy-Adams" <sdra@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>

Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:55:36 -0700



Does anyone know if all rhematoid arthritis patients are in an autoimmune 

state?  I understand that through diet (i.e. macrobiotic), trace minerals 

and alfalfa are helpful in reversing the arthritis part, but what about 

the state of autoimmunity?  Also any information or resources to look 

into would be appreciated.

        Thank you.

        Sandra



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tiger balm

From: jfaherty@hom.net (John Faherty)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 05:59:57 GMT



I am interested in any info about "Tiger Balm"

it is an over the counter salve.





John Faherty



Just Surfin" the Net and Soakin' Up Cathode Rays!



~:D-<--</waaaahhhhhoooooo!  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tiger balm

From: pbyrnes@ix.netcom.com (Patricia C. Byrnes)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 15:05:23 GMT



In <45srul$hb2@homenet.hom.net> jfaherty@hom.net (John Faherty) writes:

>

>I am interested in any info about "Tiger Balm"

>it is an over the counter salve.

>

>John Faherty



John:



I use it for lots of different things: as a linament, as an inhaler if

I have a cold, as a chest rub, for sprains.  It's wonderful.  I've been

using it since 1976 when I first discovered it. It's what the old Vicks

used to be before it went synthetic.



There are 2 kinds: white and red.  The red stains, altho many people

tell me it's the more effective variety.  I always use the white since

sometimes, especially in the winter, I put it on under my clothes.



Regards ..... Pat





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tiger balm

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 18:40:09 GMT



Great stuff. I think it's mostly camphor and menthol. Works like(and 

SMELLS like) Ben Gay. Well, maybe a little better than Ben Gay.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tiger balm

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:53:28 GMT



In article <45srul$hb2@homenet.hom.net>,

   jfaherty@hom.net (John Faherty) wrote:



>I am interested in any info about "Tiger Balm"

>it is an over the counter salve.



Tiger Balm has various aromatic oils that relieve local

inflammation.  Sort of a Chinese version of Ben-Gay.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tiger balm

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 11:28:26 



In article: <461b63$9dl@nnrp2.nfs.primenet.com>  callie@writepage.com (Callie) 

writes:

> 

> In article <45srul$hb2@homenet.hom.net>,

>    jfaherty@hom.net (John Faherty) wrote:

> 

> >I am interested in any info about "Tiger Balm"

> >it is an over the counter salve.

> 

> Tiger Balm has various aromatic oils that relieve local

> inflammation.  Sort of a Chinese version of Ben-Gay.





err! Ben Gay is a version of Tiger Balm <g>

Tiger balm has been around in Chinese medicine for centuries.:)

Graham





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk

Subject: Re: tiger balm

From: Cathy LeFevre <clefevre@tcd.net>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 01:13:02 GMT



I have used Tiger Balm for many years.  It is often readily available in 

different forms in health food stores and oriental grocery stores.



There are two strengths of Tiger Balm sold through most health food 

stores - red and white.  Red is the hotter of the two.  I use the red 

tiger balm if I have the need for the extra warmth.  Usually I use the 

white tiger balm.



Some things I have used tiger balm for:



Speed up the healing process for bruises.

Sore muscles.

Congestion:  Rub on the chest, not under the nose.  This warms the chest 

and helps break up the congestion.  The aroma is breathed in and helps 

aleviate conjestion too.  If the conjestion is from a head cold or 

hayfever, rub on the temples.

I use the red for sinus headaches; rub on the temples.



Cathy LeFevre



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kidney Tonic

From: jet@cinenet.net (Jet Silverman)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 07:00:25 GMT



Does anyone know of an herb (or herbs) that are good for keeping the 

kidneys healthy? Thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: (fwd) NEW herb seed/ herbal product page

From: "R. Dana - Green Gene" <rcdana@cts.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 00:40:43 -0700



On Mon, 16 Oct 1995, R. Dana - Green Gene wrote:



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> From: heruka@shadow.net (heruka)

> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

> Subject: NEW herb seed/ herbal product page

> Date: 13 Oct 1995 00:28:45 GMT

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> Please come and visit our new site....

> It is a new page and filled with many interesting items for 

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> 

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> 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ??  menstrual cramps

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 16 Oct 1995 13:59:11 GMT



My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

cramps.

Thanks in advance for your replys.



Happy herbaling,

John



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??  menstrual cramps

From: Alicia Cosgrove <ali00akc@unccvm.uncc.edu>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:45:26 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:

>

> My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

> cramps.

> Thanks in advance for your replys.

> 

> Happy herbaling,

> John



I've had wonderful success with equal parts dong quai, crampbark,

and squawvine, ground to powder. Fill 00 sized capsules, take 2

with a glass of water every 4-6 hours as needed. This mixture has

made the difference between non-fuctioning (vicious cramps, vomiting,

cold chills, joint pain) and functioning. I've also used motherwort

tincture, but I don't recommend an alcohol based tincture if nausea

is present. For me, that's a surefire no-no. YMMV.



Good luck to your friend.

Alicia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Flea problem&Borax

From: Mark_Perin@RedwoodFN.org (Mark Perin)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:05:06 GMT



>   linh@cv.hp.com (linh tu) writes:  

>      anyway , i have used borax on rugs with good success before .

>      sprinkle the stuff on the carpet and all suspect areas ; wait

>      a couple hrs or so then vacuum lightly . repeat once a week for

>      a few weeks .  it worked for me ; i can't say that all fleas

>      were gone but i hardly get any bite , may be once a week .

>      since i hate using chemical poison , it was a satisfactory

>      solution for me 



 :>If you don't think Borax is a poison, then sprinkle some on your cheerios

and see what 

:>happens.



I would agree that Borax is a "poison", but it is much more "safe" that the

numerous insecticides on the market.  I have used that poison Borax to

control on outbreak of adult fleas on the carpeted areas of my house.  I

sprinkle it on the carpet, then, most importantly, work it into the carpet

with a broom.  IE: don't just leave it sitting on top of the carpet where

your pet might be able to easily lick it up!  I then leave it sit for about 3

days and vaccuum.  Don't forget to throw out the vaccuum bags each time, or

if you have a reusable bag, make sure to empty it immediately as well.  If

you want to stay away from borax, I have hear of diameacious (spell?) earth

used in a simular manner.  Just don't breath in any dust when you apply it. 

You can also look at using pyrethtyn (sp?), which is made from crysanthemums

(sp?).  But, all of these should not be consumed on top of cheerios.  Hell ,

why to you eat that processed, pesticide grown cerel crap to begin with?!



mark



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: JAcker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net

Subject: Winters Itch Remedies

From: "Jan M. Ackerman" <Jacker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 17:52:10 GMT





Does Anyone know of any homeopathic or herbal remedies for Winters Itch. 

I would greatly appreciate your writing to me at 

JAcker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net.



Regards



Jan





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Jacker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net

Subject: Re: Winters Itch Remedies

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 18:33:26 GMT



"Jan M. Ackerman" <Jacker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net> wrote:

>Does Anyone know of any homeopathic or herbal remedies for Winters Itch. 

>I would greatly appreciate your writing to me at 

>JAcker@ackerman.pdial.interpath.net.



Jan,



I'm assuming Winters Itch is the itchy dry skin that comes along with the 

dry air of winter.



Do you have hard water?  If so it is washing away your body oils.  Try a 

water softener for you household.   If this is not possible try using 

soap with olive oil or other oil.  Like Kiss My Face soap.



The only other remedy I have found is a non-greasy lotion.



Peace from Vermont, jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: mothers milk

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 11:19:48 -0800



does anyone know about herbs and nursing?  My son is a 100% nurser who 

completely refuses a bottle. He's got an awful head cold and I want to 

help, if I drink my tea, will the benificial effects go to him?



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: fspr@aurora.alaska.edu

Subject: Re: mothers milk

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 13:02:35 GMT



Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu> wrote:

>does anyone know about herbs and nursing?  My son is a 100% nurser who 

>completely refuses a bottle. He's got an awful head cold and I want to 

>help, if I drink my tea, will the benificial effects go to him?



The teas you drink will be passed on to him in small amounts.  You may 

find that you have to drink more to have the desired affect on him.  I 

used to do this with my two nursers.  Also when they had stuffy noses I 

would rub a little Vicks type stuff made from Eucalyptus on my upper 

breast so that they would breath it in.  Just make sure it's not near 

where their eyes are and use just a little.



Hope this helps.



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: any good herbal medicine courses in NYC area?

From: Rowan Shulver <rowan@faline.bellcore.com>

Date: 16 Oct 1995 20:28:24 GMT



I friend of mine from England might be interested in coming over

here to study about herbs to become a herbal practiciner. Are there

any courses in the new york city area, in the city itself would

be best.



thanks for any help, 

could you post any replys by e-mail as I don't tend to read this news group.



rowan

 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Nature's Medicine Cabinet

From: jm@shore.net (Joe McLean)

Date: 16 Oct 1995 22:03:28 GMT



New Alternative Health Web Page 

http://www.shore.net/~jm/welcome.htm



Best if viewed with Netscape



                Regards, Joe



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to repel silverfish

From: Rachel Browne <dbrowne@eden.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 16:01:42 -0700



We have a terrible silverfish problem in our new house.  I 

think I recall reading somewhere of an herb that repels 

them.  Anyone know what it is?  I really want to get rid 

of them, but I also want to stay away from chemicals.



Thanks!



Rachel Browne



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: what's in jaegermeister?

From: jeanne@netlanta.com (Jeanne Colin)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:07:44 GMT



it's extremely herbal, and it's got a mean rep for what it does to you as an 

alcoholic drink. i want to know what it's made of. any answers? thanks





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's in jaegermeister?

From: mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 15:38:42 -0400



Extremely herbal???? It is a schnapps made from cinnamon and licorice I

believe...but outside of its medicinal purposes...wink,wink...why do you

say that it is "extremely herbal?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's in jaegermeister?

From: dyan@tino.vip.best.com (Dyan)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:12:27 -0700



In article <46gr02$srf@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1)

wrote:



 > Extremely herbal???? It is a schnapps made from cinnamon and licorice I

 > believe...but outside of its medicinal purposes...wink,wink...why do you

 > say that it is "extremely herbal?



According to the label, it is a "kraeuter" liquer and kraeuter is herbal

in german.



             Blessed Be,

                     Dyan.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's in jaegermeister?

From: janet@dlep1.itg.ti.com (Janet M Cuellar)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:13:42 GMT



Kraeuter means Herbs and supposedly you drink 

one small glass after a hearty meal and your

tummy won't hurt even when you ate much or heavy,

like a Schweinshaxe mit Sauerkraut und Knoedel.

;->



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's in jaegermeister?

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:41:00 -0640



-> In article <46gr02$srf@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mistkat1@aol.com

-> (MistKat1) wrote:

->

-> > Extremely herbal???? It is a schnapps made from cinnamon and

-> licorice I > believe...but outside of its medicinal

-> purposes...wink,wink...why do you > say that it is "extremely herbal?

->

-> According to the label, it is a "kraeuter" liquer and kraeuter is

-> herbal in german.

->

->            Blessed Be,

->                    Dyan.

        The distinctive flavor of Jaegermeister stems from Gentian root

which also gives it it's dark color. It is really a digestive liquer,

(although I love to have it with dark sweet chocolate) and could be

compaired to Angostura Bitters which also derives flavor from Gentian

root. I also enjoy the carbonated beverage "Moxie" which is a sort of

Gentian Root Beer, (it is an aquired taste and insures that no one else

drinks MY SODAS peacefully) this brew advertises that they have made

Moxie since 1884. Moxie is also the only soft drink Blessed with the

Sacred Image of BOB on the bright orange can. Praise BOB.

                Bella



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's in jaegermeister?

From: mthacker@netcom.com (Michael Thacker)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:35:43 GMT



Janet M Cuellar (janet@dlep1.itg.ti.com) wrote:

: Kraeuter means Herbs and supposedly you drink 

: one small glass after a hearty meal and your

: tummy won't hurt even when you ate much or heavy,

: like a Schweinshaxe mit Sauerkraut und Knoedel.

: ;->



It tastes like cold medicine (Nyquil?) to me.

-- 

Mike Thacker                                 mthacker@netcom.com 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cold-turned-sinusitis

From: rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu (Robert George Audet)

Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 23:01:37 -0500



Hello,

    I just subscribed to this group and have a question. Does anyone have

some tried and true suggestions for an intractable sinus infection? 4

weeks ago, I contracted a cold and flu in Montana at the end of my

vacation. I have been taking large doses of Vit C (up to 5mg/day),

echinacea/goldenseal tincture, siberian ginseng, multi vit, astragalus

tincture, garlic and trying to get more sleep. The cold has resolved

itself for the most part, leaving the sinus infection. I just can't seem

to get my immune system back on line.

    I recently tried a homeopathic that seemed to fit the conditions and

temperment to a "T" but that doesn't seem to be fruitful. I'm nearing my

wits end and am teetering close to the antibiotic route, which is the LAST

resort.

    Thanks for any suggestions/support that any of you can offer.



Peace,    Robert



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold-turned-sinusitis

From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 17:35:25 GMT



In article <rgaudet-1610952301370001@f181-121.net.wisc.edu>

rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu (Robert George Audet) writes:



> ... Does anyone have

> some tried and true suggestions for an intractable sinus infection? 4

> weeks ago, I contracted a cold and flu in Montana at the end of my

> vacation. I have been taking large doses of Vit C (up to 5mg/day),

> echinacea/goldenseal tincture, siberian ginseng, multi vit, astragalus

> tincture, garlic and trying to get more sleep. The cold has resolved

> itself for the most part, leaving the sinus infection. I just can't seem

> to get my immune system back on line.

>     I recently tried a homeopathic that seemed to fit the conditions and

> temperment to a "T" but that doesn't seem to be fruitful. I'm nearing my

> wits end and am teetering close to the antibiotic route, which is the LAST

> resort.



What are you eating?  I've found that completely removing all dairy and

chocolate from my diet helps my sinuses clear up, so you might try

that.  I'm apparently a little sensitive to wheat, too, so cutting back

on that helps me.  Maybe your immune system and sinuses are getting

hampered by something in your diet.



Also, are you taking the herbs regularly?  I've had good results from a

steady approach to the echinacea and C--I take the herb and vitamin

together, three times a day, as long as I have symptoms.  Peppermint

tea also helps my sinuses clear up enough so I can sleep. 



Frankly, if the sinus infection has progressed to the point where your

face and teeth hurt, and the discharge is yellow or green, I'd suggest

the antibiotics.  Next time, use the echinacea, etc. at the first sign

of trouble to prevent future infections.  After repeated sinus

infections, I'm now able to avoid antibiotics entirely by nipping

things in the bud with echinacea.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs!

From: valerian@dplanet.xbbs.com (Ed Collins)

Date: 16 Oct 95 20:22:34 PST



        Hey all,

                I've been interested in herbs for medicinal use for a few

years now. I grow and use them. How many of you out there have this interest?

:>

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     * Vice-President/Courier/Writer for KRUEL

     * Call Hemp For Victory [619]441-0786 for

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs!

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 06:24:32 GMT



In article <valerian.2d8a@dplanet.xbbs.com>, valerian@dplanet.xbbs.com (Ed

Collins) wrote:



> Hey all, I've been interested in herbs for medicinal use for a few years

> now. I grow and use them. How many of you out there have this interest?



just about ALL of us, I imagine!



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alt. to Steroids

From: grnwave@netcom.com (Lilith)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 06:37:04 GMT



I think I saw some discussion of alternatives to steroids on here once 

before.  My apologies, but I didn't pay attention at the time.  I have a 

friend who is experimenting with supplements to improve his body-building 

efforts and would like to ask on his behalf for information regarding 

alternatives to steroids.



Thanks in advance!



Peace.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Hemachromatosis

From: davekassab@aol.com (DaveKassab)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 09:05:15 -0400



Does anyone have any information about hemachromatosis and alternative

medicine therapies. It is a disorder that is characterized by too much

iron in the blood.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hemachromatosis

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 14:14:30 GMT



davekassab@aol.com (DaveKassab) wrote:

>Does anyone have any information about hemachromatosis and alternative

>medicine therapies. It is a disorder that is characterized by too much

>iron in the blood.

 Don't know about the specific diagnosis, but I am aware that high Fe can 

be a big problem for hepatitis patients. What has been done for them is 

weekly blood draws,  to reduce iron levels. Unpleasant, but quite 

effective, so I hear. The non-western medicine (ie, needle) alternative 

could be... leeches?

Oh, gross...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hemachromatosis

From: marty25@ix.netcom.com (MARTHA MCCULLOUGH)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 04:05:34 GMT



In <460do6$bbi@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

writes: 

>

>davekassab@aol.com (DaveKassab) wrote:

>>Does anyone have any information about hemachromatosis and

alternative

>>medicine therapies. It is a disorder that is characterized by too

much

>>iron in the blood.

> Don't know about the specific diagnosis, but I am aware that high Fe

can 

>be a big problem for hepatitis patients. What has been done for them

is 

>weekly blood draws,  to reduce iron levels. Unpleasant, but quite 

>effective, so I hear. The non-western medicine (ie, needle)

alternative 

>could be... leeches?

>Oh, gross...

>Liz

>



I just tuned in to ask about hemachromatosis for a friend and see the

question already posted.  Any other comments??

Thanks, Marty



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hemachromatosis

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:53:19 GMT



In article <464iqf$qrc@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,

   marty25@ix.netcom.com (MARTHA MCCULLOUGH) wrote:



>

>I just tuned in to ask about hemachromatosis for a friend and see the

>question already posted.  Any other comments??

>Thanks, Marty



Marty - 

  The person should also limit their iron intake!  Skip the 100% fortified

foods, limit iron-rich foods, and not use cast iron cookware (stainless 

steel is OK).  The amount of iron a person REALLY needs is incredibly tiny.



  There can be several causes - over-consumption of iron , altered

iron metabolism (hepatitis, alcoholism, genetic disorders)



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: where to get rootbeer?

From: oispeggy@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Peggy Brown)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 11:07 EDT



I plan to make rootbeer and instead of using rootbeer extract I

was hoping to find some rootbeer root and boil than down into my

own extract.  Anyone know where I can find this?  Any other advice?



Thanks,



- Peggy -





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: where to get rootbeer?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 19:16:26 GMT



try sassafrass.. boil up some root, add sugar, do your rootbeer brewing 

thing. Great stuff.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ??? menstrual cramps

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 17 Oct 1995 18:21:25 GMT



My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

cramps.

Thanks in advance for your replys.



Happy herbaling,

John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 00:19:38 GMT



In article <460s75$qm3@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>

essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) writes:



> My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

> cramps.



I've had success taking magnesium and calcium regularly, starting a few

days before my period is due.  I usually take 400 mg of magnesium

citrate and 200 mg. of calcium citrate, two or three times a day. 

Eating kale also helps (rich in the same minerals).  I'm also intensely

indebted to my hot water bottle.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: michaela@gauntlet.com

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:05:56 -0700



In article <461h6q$12a@grandcanyon.binc.net>, cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy

Moore) wrote:



> In article <460s75$qm3@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>

> essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) writes:

> 

> > My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

> > cramps.

A hot bath, masturbation, and a nap. Works like a charm.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:10:55 -0600



I make a tea out of bearberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi).  It grows all 

over the mountains here in Colorado.  The tea is kind of bitter, so you 

might add something to it.



Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 07:47:20 -0800



On Wed, 18 Oct 1995 michaela@gauntlet.com wrote:



> In article <461h6q$12a@grandcanyon.binc.net>, cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy

> Moore) wrote:

> 

> > In article <460s75$qm3@ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>

> > essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) writes:

> > 

> > > My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

> > > cramps.

> A hot bath, masturbation, and a nap. Works like a charm.

> 

> 

All those, plus high-bush cranberry bark (also known as crampbark) tea.  

Traditional Medicinals makes a tea called Female Toner which uses this 

and it accually tastes ok.  If you live near lots of high bush 

cranberries though, you can harvest some of the bark for free.  Magical 

stuff, cramps are gone by the time you finish the cup.



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: igloo@gate.net

Date: 21 Oct 1995 15:34:03 GMT





>  > In article <461h6q$12a@grandcanyon.binc.net>, cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy

>  > Moore) wrote:



        As a remedy for menstrua l cramps



>  > A hot bath, masturbation, and a nap. Works like a charm.



        Yeah. Let me explain that to my boss : )

        Eliska





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 13:26:03 -0700



: All those, plus high-bush cranberry bark (also known as crampbark) tea.  

: Traditional Medicinals makes a tea called Female Toner which uses this 

: and it accually tastes ok.  If you live near lots of high bush 

: cranberries though, you can harvest some of the bark for free.  Magical 

: stuff, cramps are gone by the time you finish the cup.



: Mandy





Where would I be able to buy raw crampbark, if it is available?  If not,

could you give me a name and/or address/phone of somebody or some

organization that sells this stuff?



Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: donwiss@bondcalc.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:03:28 GMT



On 17 Oct 1995 18:21:25 GMT, essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:



>My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

>cramps.



I am most familiar with the disorder that I have, and I do know that

menstrual cramps are among the list of its possible symptoms. To get some

info on this I did a search on the log files of the CELIAC mailing list

(which is below).



Celiac disease is the medical name for intolerance to gluten, a protein

that is found in all wheat (more so in bread and pasta), but also found in

lesser quantity in rye, barley, oats and all foodstuffs containing one of

these grains.



In an undiagnosed celiac the intestinal villi that line the walls will be

flattened which dramatically reduces the surface area available for

absorption of fat soluble minerals and vitamins, which calcium and

magnesium both are.



The CELIAC mailing list at <listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu> with 825+

subscribers. To join, send a message to the listserv with the following in

the body: SUB CELIAC your name. The FAQ can be obtained by putting GET

CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list server.



This web page will lead to all others: http://www.hooked.net/users/sadams/



Don, gluten-free in NYC <donwiss@bondcalc.com>



Here are the excerpts from the log files:



Item #   Date   Time  Recs   Subject

------   ----   ----  ----   -------

001783 95/05/16 17:17   25   Re: Infertility

003779 95/10/08 19:50   34   menstruation, ovulation, and cd

003783 95/10/09 12:11   36   Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd

003790 95/10/09 13:02   59   Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd

003798 95/10/09 20:54   38   Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd



>>> Item number 1783, dated 95/05/16 17:17:18 -- ALL

Date:    Tue, 16 May 1995 17:17:18 -0400

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    Marti Nicoll <Nicoll@AOL.COM>

Subject: Re: Infertility



Hi Mary,



In response to your question about infertility, I'm 42 and was diagnosed

with Celiac 6 months ago. I was never able to get pregnant even with the

help of an infertility specialist. Several years I had a hysterectomy due

to terrible menstrual cramps that I'd had since I was a teenager. I don't

know how long I was actually celiac before it was diagnosed so I can't say

if my being celiac had any relationship to my infertility, but as an infant

I had severe intestinal problems. I haven't had much in the way of

intestinal problems since then, but I was anemic off and on most of my

adult life (I can't remember if I was anemic as a child or not). I was also

able to eat everything I wanted (and I ate a lot) all my life and never

gained weight. Funny, how up until 6 months ago, I thought this was a

blessing. I would hazard to guess that I've probably been celiac all my

life and that it did have a affect on my inability to get pregnant.

Unfortunately, since the celiac was diagnosed after my hysterectomy, I'll

never know if the gf diet would have helped my infertility or not. Hope

this helps. Good luck.



Marti



>>> Item number 3779, dated 95/10/08 19:50:01 -- ALL

Date:    Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:50:01 -0700

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    Mary Courtney <mizmary@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Subject: menstruation, ovulation, and cd



I sometimes have gi problems during periods of hormone fluctuations, so I

asked my <celiac doc> about it. She explained to me that hormones can

affect gut motility, causing constipation and/or diarrhea, even in women

with no other known gut problems.



I had been concerned that there might be a hidden gluten or another food

sensitivity in my life, especially since constipation seems to give me a

headache. Patience and observation are showing me that I shouldn't get too

suspicious about accidental gluten ingestion around times of menstruation

and ovulation. Instead, the doctor recommended adding fruits with tiny

seeds (prunes, strawberries, raspberries, etc.) for constipation.



In addition, I will try to be more attentive to my yoga practice, which is

supposed to be especially helpful to women's reproductive systems.



With regard to cd, I find that the gf diet has rid me of the worst of my

pre-menstrual symptoms. I am doubly motivated to keep to the diet, since on

the month this spring when I accidentally ingested gluten twice, I had most

of my old PMS complaints, as well as cramps. I can't even remember the last

time I went through all that.



Not medical advice. Shared with thanks to those who have taught me a thing

or two from sharing their symptoms and observations.



Mary C.

mizmary@ix.netcom.com



>>> Item number 3783, dated 95/10/09 12:11:58 -- ALL

Date:    Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:11:58 +0100

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    "P.SHATTOCK" <hs0psh@ORAC.SUNDERLAND.AC.UK>

Subject: Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd



Mary Courtney shared with us her own observations on the effects of the

menstrual cycle on her own gut motility, cramps etc.



As some of you may know, we have been looking at the urinary peptide

profiles of people with autism for some time now but, as in all

experiments, we sometimes get "false positives" from amongst the normal

population. It seems that in some women there is an increase in material

at certain times of the month and we suspect that peptide material is

leaking through the gut wall in greater than normal quantities at this

time.



Our results would not (yet) stand up to critical analysis but the trends

are pretty clear.



Basically, our model would support that proposed by your GI specialist

except that we would add that the hormones, as well as affecting gut

motility could also affect gut permeability. These peptides might, in

their turn, cause other effects in the body. Of course, if foods liable

to produce these suspicious peptides (eg gluten containers) are avoided

the problems would be minimised.



We will be looking at this in greater detail over the next few months and

it is possible that the story may collapse when we do. Perhaps I should

not use this forum for such speculation but I thought it might be of

interest. It would be interesting to know whether women who have gone

gluten free have observed any reduction in PMS symptoms.



Paul Shattock



>>> Item number 3790, dated 95/10/09 13:02:40 -- ALL

Date:    Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:02:40 -0500

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    Susan Owens <lwo@IADFW.NET>

Subject: Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd



Paul,



I read with great interest your post this morning.  My family has had a

problem with the women all having cycle related migraine headaches that

begin at age 30 and last through menopause.  After y-e-a-r-s I finally said

something that made my Ob/gyn understand why I kept complaining that it

related to hormone levels, and he said that there were some people whose

uterus became more permeable during certain times of month letting

substances (I think he said prostaglandins) leak into the blood that act

like a poison to the system.  That is exactly the feeling, as if I were

being poisoned, with a knot forming on the left side of my neck where the

neck joins the skull.  My doctor has had me taking Alleve (naproxen sodium)

to get some relief (nothing else has ever diminished the pain in the

least!).



When I beg taking the epsom salts baths, my regular neckache disappeared

that occurs on the second day of the month.  The mid-month (ovulation, I

assume) headache is still troublesome some months, even off of wheat and

milk, although I am finding the number of Alleve needed to make the pain

bearable has diminished from 4 to 2.



It also might be interesting to you, Paul, and maybe to others, that in my

daughter Grace's amino acid profile (which I just got back with explanation

last week), there was a discussion, because of her profile,  of

hyperaminoaciduria, or amino acid dumping in the urine.  They said,

"Usually the amino acid group transfer, called transamination, is to

alpha-ketoglutaric acid which adds the amino group to become glutamic acid.

Alpha-ketoglutaris acid, the primary amino group receptor in amino acid

metabolisms, is formed in the citric acid cycle.  Transamination steps

require pyridoxal phosphate (PyrPO4 from vitamin B6) as a coenzyme.....The

corresponding symptoms also can be strongly influenced by diet, and can

vary from individual to individual and may vary with the specific

hyperaminoacidurias.  Headaches and occasional nausea are most

common.[sound like PMS?]  Other symptoms observed to be coincident with

hyperaminoacidurias and limited protein tolerance include:  fatigue,

dizzyness (sometimes vertigo), unusual skin sensations (hot, cold,

crawling, tingling, burning, etc.), urticaria, and occasionally the

individual excretes abnormally high urine volumes...."



Another puzzle from my life which might relate is that when Grace was 20

months old, and was reducing her amount of breastfeeding, I suddenly had

double vision which lasted about a week.  There has been a lot of

discussion of weak eye muscles on the autism list, but I thought my double

vision was probably caused by some hormonal changes related to weaning my

child. 



Hope this is interesting, and if anyone is interested on this list in

seeing Grace's amino acid profile, I'd be glad to share. Seventeen of them

were out of normal ranges.  I will note, however, that she is not diagnosed

celiac, but probably has the gluten intolerance that Paul is researching

relative to autism.



Susan Owens



>>> Item number 3798, dated 95/10/09 20:54:25 -- ALL

Date:    Mon, 9 Oct 1995 20:54:25 +0500

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-free List <CELIAC@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    "Lisa J. Haynes" <ljhaynes@LFS.LORAL.COM>

Subject: Re: menstruation, ovulation, and cd



On Sun Oct  8 22:58 EDT 1995, Mary Courtney wrote:



> With regard to cd, I find that the gf diet has rid me of the worst of my

> pre-menstrual symptoms. I am doubly motivated to keep to the diet, since on

> the month this spring when I accidentally ingested gluten twice, I had most

> of my old PMS complaints, as well as cramps. I can't even remember the last

> time I went through all that.



This is the answer to a question that I've been meaning to pose to the

list for a while and would like to hear what others have experienced.



The question: Have other CD women had a similar experience to Mary's

with regard to PMS and cramps?



I am particularly interested because I'm not celiac but follow a

wheat-free diet at the recommendation that it would help alleviate my

symptoms of PMS and severe cramps.  It comes from a book called

"Menstrual Cramps" by Dr. Susan Lark and is endorsed by my

gynecologist.  The book states that "wheat contains a protein called

gluten that is difficult to digest and can be highly allergenic...wheat

has worsened symptoms such as fatigue, depression, bloating,

constipation, diarrhea, and intestinal cramps."  (Sound familiar?)

When I went wheat free about a year ago, I also noticed an alleviation

of symptoms but I have also adapted other recommendations from the book.

So any insight you can provide will be appreciated.



Thanks,

Lisa Haynes

Laurel, MD, USA

ljhaynes@lfs.loral.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ??? menstrual cramps

From: haileris@crl.com (Cynthia Sheldon)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:06:57 -0700



Raspberrie leaf tea works, and an Odwalla fruit drink called Femme Vitale 

is *excellent* for clearing up cramps, and even the back tension 

associated with menstrual cramps.



Autumn Adela

haileris@crl.com

Hail Eris. All hail Discordia.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: iridology

From: nocls@junction.net (Blair Campbell)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 18:25:58 GMT



I was wondering if anybody knew anything about this iridology stuff. A

person I know is trying to get me to see a fellow who practices iridology.

I know it has something to do with prescribing herbs for different

ailments. I have asthma and this fellow claims he can get me off all the

medication I'm now on. I told him that I'd have to find out some more info

before trying anything new, but am having trouble finding anything.



Blair



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: iridology

From: szottrog@freenet.calgary.ab.ca (Laurie Rogers)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:47:56 GMT



nocls@junction.net (Blair Campbell) wrote:

>I was wondering if anybody knew anything about this iridology stuff. A

>person I know is trying to get me to see a fellow who practices iridology.

>I know it has something to do with prescribing herbs for different

>ailments. I have asthma and this fellow claims he can get me off all the

>medication I'm now on. I told him that I'd have to find out some more info

>before trying anything new, but am having trouble finding anything.

>

>Blair



Iridology is the use of the iris as a means of detecting physical and emotional

problems in the body.  As part of the naturopathic approach, herbs and herbal-ba

sed

remedies are prescribed, if necessary.  There are books on Iridology and your lo

cal

library should carry some.



L. Szott-Rogers

E-mail: szottrog@freenet.calgary.ab.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: iridology

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 10:14:33 -0500



Jenses states that asthma is one of the most difficult

conditions to treat--even for an iridologist.

 

Michael



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: nocls@junction.net

Subject: Re: iridology

From: someone@qut.edu.au (somebody)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 06:45:22 GMT



In article <nocls-1202961025270001@vernon-2-06.junction.net>,

   nocls@junction.net (Blair Campbell) wrote:

>I was wondering if anybody knew anything about this iridology 

stuff. A

>person I know is trying to get me to see a fellow who practices 

iridology.

>I know it has something to do with prescribing herbs for different

>ailments. I have asthma and this fellow claims he can get me off 

all the

>medication I'm now on. I told him that I'd have to find out some 

more info

>before trying anything new, but am having trouble finding 

anything.

>

>Blair





Iridology - iris diagnosis



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: iridology

From: chargert@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:30:45 GMT



nocls@junction.net (Blair Campbell) wrote:



>I was wondering if anybody knew anything about this iridology stuff. A

>person I know is trying to get me to see a fellow who practices iridology.

>I know it has something to do with prescribing herbs for different

>ailments. I have asthma and this fellow claims he can get me off all the

>medication I'm now on. I told him that I'd have to find out some more info

>before trying anything new, but am having trouble finding anything.



>Blair





Okay, call me a skeptic but I think I'd be rather suspicious of

someone who would "prescribe" something for a radaii in a particular

section of my eye.  I'm not saying whether having an Irianalysis

performed would or wouldn't tell you of possible problem areas within

your body, it's the prescribing of something on the basis of this that

makes me cautious.  An Irianalysis is not condition specific, it may

say you have something showing in your lungs for example but it

wouldn't say whether it was one of a possible dozen different medical

diagnoses.  Both people I know who perform Iridology would not presume

to tell you to take something for a particular condition, they only

state what they see according to a picture of your eye in relation to

a corresponding map of the body.  Although more extensive in it's

reach it's rather like Reflexology which maps your body on your feet

and hands.  And I don't think I would take anything prescribed by a

Reflexologist either.



This person you are refering to must be "practicing" something other

then just Iridology.  A Naturopath possibly?  But then again I would

have to wonder about someone who would make a generalized claim of

being able to get you off all the medication you are currently on

without having even seen you.



For more information on Iridology you could read the book _Iridology

Simiplified_ (I'm sorry I don't know the author), it's a small book

and would at least give you the basics behind this theory.



Best of luck.



Bless.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lungs

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 19:54:29 GMT



About four months ago I got a bad bout of bronchitis.  I have had mild 

asthma since I was a child and lately, after clearing up the bronchitis, 

it is getting worse.



I have trouble breathing especially at night.  Are there any herbs or 

vitamins that might help alleviate or cure this???  I am afraid to drink 

the "Breathe Easy" tea I have for too long and hate using a 

chemical inhaler....Any suggestions or knowledge are greatly 

appreciated.



Thanks!  



Melissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: melissa.abraham@madison.tdsnet.com

Subject: Re: Lungs

From: someone@qut.edu.au (somebody)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 00:23:10 GMT



In article <4611ll$no4@madison.tdsnet.com>,

   "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com> wrote:

>About four months ago I got a bad bout of bronchitis.  I have had mild 

>asthma since I was a child and lately, after clearing up the bronchitis, 

>it is getting worse.

>

>I have trouble breathing especially at night.  Are there any herbs or 

>vitamins that might help alleviate or cure this???  I am afraid to drink 

>the "Breathe Easy" tea I have for too long and hate using a 

>chemical inhaler....Any suggestions or knowledge are greatly 

>appreciated.

>

>Thanks!  

>

>Melissa

>





I normally use onions for coughs and colds and they have been giving me and my 

family good results.



Here's what you should do:

Slice the onions thinly.  Put  them in a hanky or thin cloth long enough to 

wrap around your neck.  Apply the onions as a poultice on your throat.

It's effective.



Abner



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lungs

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 30 Oct 1995 19:41:38 GMT



Garlic leaves the body via the lungs and skin. So, while exiting via

the lungs it is bringing its good stuff to them. I don't know more than

that, but I have found it and excellant cure for lung-oriented colds.

Lots of garlic and echinacea kicked a bad bronchitis that I'd had for

two weeks.



"Take all herbs with a pinch of wisdom." Me



Happy herbaling,



JOhn



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: "melissa.abraham"<melissa.abraham@teldta.com

Subject: Re: Lungs

From: someone@qut.edu.au (somebody)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 02:33:52 GMT



In article <4611ll$no4@madison.tdsnet.com>,

   "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com> wrote:

>About four months ago I got a bad bout of bronchitis.  I have had mild 

>asthma since I was a child and lately, after clearing up the bronchitis, 

>it is getting worse.

>

>I have trouble breathing especially at night.  Are there any herbs or 

>vitamins that might help alleviate or cure this???  I am afraid to drink 

>the "Breathe Easy" tea I have for too long and hate using a 

>chemical inhaler....Any suggestions or knowledge are greatly 

>appreciated.

>

>Thanks!  

>

>Melissa

>



I've been using onions for coughs and colds.



This is what to do-

Slice onions thinly and then placed them in a hanky or thin cloth long enough 

to wrap around you neck.  Use this as a poultice on your throat.  The action 

of this - the onions absorb the toxins and it should be replaced with a fresh 

poultice after 2 hours. Use this preferably at bedtime.  The odor may be 

offensive but it really works.  May you find relief.



Abner



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lungs

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:21:34 GMT



Thanks, Abner.

Smelly, it may be, but I hope it works.  I'll try it and let you know how 

I fare.



Cheers.



Meliss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: lymphoma

From: Denise Boyd <neecee@rapidramp.com>

Date: 17 Oct 1995 21:31:11 GMT



Hi, i am new to this group so please bear with me.  i have a friend who 

was recently diagnosed with lymphoma.  The physicians treating him want 

to treat the disease with radiation and chemo and of course, the patient 

is terrified. i have two questions:



1. has there been any success with herbal treatment of this kind of 

cancer?



2. does anyone have any suggestions on any herbs that may make my friend 

at least feel better during this time??



thanks a lot.... 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lymphoma

From: donwiss@bondcalc.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:23:09 GMT



On 17 Oct 1995 21:31:11 GMT, Denise Boyd <neecee@rapidramp.com> wrote:



>Hi, i am new to this group so please bear with me.  i have a friend who 

>was recently diagnosed with lymphoma.  The physicians treating him want 

>to treat the disease with radiation and chemo and of course, the patient 

>is terrified. i have two questions:

>

>1. has there been any success with herbal treatment of this kind of 

>cancer?

>

>2. does anyone have any suggestions on any herbs that may make my friend 

>at least feel better during this time??



By lymphoma I presume you mean an intestinal one. An undiagnosed celiac is

70-80 times more likely to get lymphoma than the general population, which

I believe makes undiagnosed celiac disease the primary cause of this

condition.



Celiac disease is the medical name for intolerance to gluten, a protein

that is found in all wheat (more so in bread and pasta), but also found in

lesser quantity in spelt, rye, barley, oats and all foodstuffs containing

one of these grains.



While maintaining a gluten-free diet will keep a celiac from getting

lymphoma, I have not heard what happens if the diet is started after the

lymphoma diagnosis.



There is a gluten-free mailing list at <listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu> with

825+ subscribers. To join, send a message to the listserv with the

following in the body: SUB CELIAC your name. The FAQ can be obtained by

putting GET CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list server.



This web page will lead to all others: http://www.hooked.net/users/sadams/



Don, gluten-free in NYC <donwiss@bondcalc.com>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: lymphoma

From: cdeleo@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Claire DeLeo)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:16:58 -0600



Hi, my friend has Hodgkin's disease, which is cancer of the lymphoma.  

She has gone through numerous treatments, chemo and radiation.



I don't have any herbs off hand that will help with the cancer or its 

treatment.  I have a few suggestions though.



If the cancer is treated in its early stages, your friend has a good 

chance of being cured.  Second, if the doctors tell your friend to stop 

exercising during treatments, consider ignoring this.  Exercising causes 

your body to metabolize faster the drugs they are pumping through your 

body to kill the cancer.  But, exercising also has probably been the one 

thing that has kept my friend alive so long.  She has had Hodgkin's for 5 

years and start treatment after the disease was pretty advanced.  She has 

beaten all the odds so far.  So, tell your friend to exercise regularly!

 

Claire

cdeleo@lamar.colostate.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cat`s claw

From: parallax@news.gate.net (Michael C Meyer)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 18:47:55 -0400



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DS>>>My mother-in-law has a ruptured disk in her back.  Her doctor prescribed

DS>>>milk thistle and cat's claw to prepare her for surgery.  I have found

DS>>>plenty of information on milk thistle, but very little on cat's claw.  Can

DS>>>anyone give me more info?  Like what it's supposed to do, and its effects

DS>>>on the body?



DS>>>Thanks!

DS>>>Denise



Denise, check out http://www.bga.com , they have a lot of info on Uncaria

tomentosa (Cat's Claw), and it can be purchased from just about any health

food store. Hope this helps!



                                                                                

                       

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: parallax@news.gate.net

Subject: Re: cat`s claw

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 13:52:04 GMT





>

>Denise, check out http://www.bga.com , they have a lot of info on Uncaria

>tomentosa (Cat's Claw), and it can be purchased from just about any health

>food store. Hope this helps!

>

>                                                                               

                        





oops,



I think they meant http://www.bga.com/directsource/

for info on Cat's Claw.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea for Complexion?

From: btopp@isisnet.com (try)

Date: 17 Oct 1995 23:30:13 GMT



Does anyone know which (if any) herbal tea might improve one's 

complexion or do you have any other folklore ideas for improving skin 

tone.  THANKS.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Complexion?

From: gravel@serv.net (Malcolm Brand)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 06:38:36 GMT



btopp@isisnet.com (try) wrote:



>Does anyone know which (if any) herbal tea might improve one's 

>complexion or do you have any other folklore ideas for improving skin 

>tone.  THANKS.



There is a formula that I've used for awhile that made vast

improvments. In fact, several of my friends said that my skin was

glowing. Here is the formula:



Alfalfa

Blue Flag Root

Burdock Root

Horsetail Herb

Nettle

Oat Seed

oregon Grape Root

red Clover Flowers



I am able to get all these herbs in bulk here in Seattle except oat

Seed. Oat Seed must be taken as a tincture because it loses it's

medicinal propertys if it is dried.



I make my formula with even amounts of each herb. I make my tea in a

french press. This French press makes three cups of tea. so I put in

three teaspoons of the formula and 2 dropperfuls of the tincture (note

that a dropperful is in reality half of the actual dropper tube).



There is another part to this however, B complex should be taken as it

is good for acne and if your skin is oily like mine, I rub a bit of

seasame oil with essential oil of lemon and lavendar on my face after

I wash it. The reason behind this is that by washing your face you are

not only washing away the grime of he city but also your skins natural

oil. Your skin thinks that it has no oil and produces more. Over time

this develops into overly oily skin. This was my problem. By replacing

some of the washed away oils with seasame oil, it tricks your skin

into thinking it has all the oil it needs and, over time, trains your

skin to produce less oil.



These are my experiences.

Gravelvoice Audio Services





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula

 Not commer

From: DAWEINER@delphi.com

Date: 18 Oct 1995 01:04:47 GMT





Quoting CHJR84B from a message in alt.folklore.herbs

   >Hi, Rick.. I've found some natural herbal products that have worked

   >wonders on myself and friends..both weightwise and healthwise.. They're

   >safe and consistent with my research as a student of Chinese Medecine.

   >I'm seriouse these herbal combinations really do work!  If interested,

   >I'll be glad to send info .. Dee

   >.

Dee,

Would you send me that info, too?  I'd really appreciate it.  My email

address is DAWEINER@delphi.com.    Thank you!



`[33m**`[36mDebbie`[33m**                                                       

                                                             



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula Not commer

From: Marty Kacer <martha_kacer@odp.tamu.edu>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:06:28 GMT



PLEASE SEND ME THAT INFORMATIN TOO.  I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT.  MY EMAIL ADDRESS

 IS  

martha_kacer@odp.tamu.edu.  Many thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula Not commer

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 20:22:43 GMT



Dee,



I would also like to get this information.



Thanks!



Melissa

melissa.abraham@teldta.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula Not commer

From: mango17583@aol.com (Mango17583)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:13:05 -0400



I too would like that into - e-mail MANGO17583@aol.com - thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula Not commer

From: tashaeq@aol.com (Tasha Eq)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 15:52:31 -0400



Yes, it looks like the interest is high -- why not post here?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula Not commer

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:35:31 GMT



Dee,



Another name for your list.  deb@mtjeff.com



Are there enough of us who want this info to justify a posting?



Thanks,



Deb



Trust your body, it's the only one you've got!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: DIABETES - how do I use herbs to lower

From: khclauss@iadfw.net (CDA)

Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:59:28 -0700 (PDT)



I was just diagnosed "onset Diabetes" after I had a fracture in my

right foot, which did not heal rapidly and caused a lot of pain. 

Blood sugar level was at 279 - now at 245.  Are there any herbs or

combination of herbs which can help to lower my blood sugar ?  

I am a man over 50 and about 40 pounds overweight.



Thanks for your input.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DIABETES - how do I use herbs to lower

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:53:15 GMT



khclauss@iadfw.net (CDA) wrote:

>I was just diagnosed "onset Diabetes" <snip>  Are there any herbs or

>combination of herbs which can help to lower my blood sugar ?  

>I am a man over 50 and about 40 pounds overweight.

>

>Thanks for your input.

>

Galega officinalis, Trigonella foenum-graecum, Vaccinium myrtillus, 

Urtica dioica



Goat's Rue, Fenugreek, Bilberry, Stinging Nettle



PLEASE get a good book or two (see postings, this newsgroup).  If you are 

going to embark on the herbal route without the benefit of a Naturopath 

or qualified Herbalist (most of whom cannot prescribe due to some stupid 

states rules) you need to be informed.



You need to know how to set your dosage & what to watch out for.  One bit 

of advise, herbs usually treat the source of the problem, not the 

symptoms.  Therefore, it usually takes some time to notice changes.



Good Luck,

Deb



Take caree of your body, it's the only one you have!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DIABETES - how do I use herbs to lower

From: khb@gammara.Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgoup)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 20:31:18 GMT





In article <461udm$48r@news.iadfw.net> khclauss@iadfw.net (CDA) writes:



...

   Blood sugar level was at 279 - now at 245.  Are there any herbs or



245 is still way too high (I assume you mean fasting; though it's

pretty high even for post meal).



At the very least, check out misc.health.diabetes, and it's faq's. Get

a glucose meter, test regularly and make major changes in your diet.



Good luck!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb Consumer Alert: Consumer Reports

From: Ian Goddard <ian@ultraplex.upx.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:36:10 -0400





                 SELF-HEALTH CONSUMER'S BEWARE !



Consumer Reports (Nov. 95) rips herbal medicine; rolls out the red 

carpet for the enemies of herbal health self-care; and cries out 

for the pharmaceutical/gov't take over of herbal medicine.



At least they list a few herbs that the say "might" be helpful. Of course 

even here the clear implication is that we won't and can't know that they 

are beneficial until they are classified as drugs and forced to go through 

FDA testing protocol, which will (a) run the majoritiy of small herb 

distributers out of business, (b) put herbs under the control of the 

giant phameceutical multi-nationals, (c) thereby increasing the price 

of herbal medicine at least 10x over current free-market prices, plus 

(d) requiring a prescription, and (e) a doctor's fee to get one. 



               OBEY THY FDA MASTERS WITHOUT QUESTION



The almighty gods of the FDA are the exclusive source of knowledge. 

Outside the sanctified domain of the FDA there is no knowledge. All 

knowledge begins and ends with the FDA. Let all bow before the mighty 

power of the FDA, or let them feel the blows of its caring clubs as 

they batter about heads of those who should dare to usurp the athority 

of their FDA masters by taking their own health into their own hands. 



--> Ian Goddard <igoddard@cap.gwu.edu>





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Consumer Alert: Consumer Reports

From: ravendncr@aol.com (RAVENDNCR)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:51:32 -0400



well, do you have an internet address for Consumer Reports? or a snail

mail address?  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal help for panic attacks...

From: n256058 <G.R.Fisher@ncl.ac.uk>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 11:02:57 GMT



Incidentally, lavender has been quoted for calming 'giddiness' and can be

beneficial for some of the symptoms associated with panic attacks (tastes

good too!).  



Gill Fisher.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fruit / Juice/ Veg / Stimulants

From: kingsley@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Steven Kingsley")

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:18:45 GMT



Is fruit juice from a carton any good for you.  A friend told me it 

contains alot of sugar although the labels always say that it is Pure 

Orange Juice or whatever, sometimes made from concentrated fruit juice.



I find that if I drink a carton of juice it gives me alot of Physical 

energy, but my level of concentration is effected.  I try to eat fresh 

fruit and Veg and find a similar effect, that it takes away my conscious 

reasoning/patience and makes me aliitle snappy at times.  I realise that 

fruit and veg are powerful foods and I would like to eat for the health 

benefits bar the effects on my not being able to feel relaxed. I am quite 

sensitive to stimulants like tea and coffee and cannot drink them for 

feeling all hyped up.  This is good thing I have concluded anyway



Do different fruit and veg have different effects on mind and body and if 

so what are they and what do they do?  Are there any foods that have a 

calmative effect on the system?  Any other suggestion welcome.



Thanks



Steven



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: harris_derrick@jpmorgan.com

Subject: Re: Muira Puama/Potency Wood

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 18 Oct 1995 14:23:33 GMT



Here's the stuff I have in my files on muirapuama.  If you 

want info on this on copies of the clincial trials, or 

infomration on who is carrying it retail/mailorder, feel 

free to contact me at raintree@bga.com

Hope this sheds some light.



Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group



                               Marapuama

                              Muira puama

                        Ptychopetalum uncinatum

                        Ptychopetalum olacoides



Excerpted from The American Journal of Natural Medicine, 

November 1994, Vol. 1, No. 3, Page 8





  Yohimbine vs. Muira puama in the treatment of erectile 

dysfunction



  The term "impotence" has traditionally been used to 

signify the inability of the male to attain and maintain 

erection of the penis sufficient to permit satisfactory 

sexual intercourse. Impotence, in most circumstances, is 

more precisely referred to as erectile dysfunction as this 

term differentiates itself from loss of libido, premature 

ejaculation, or inability to achieve orgasm.1 

  An estimated 10 to 20 million men suffer from erectile 

dysfunction.  This number is expected to increase 

dramatically as the median age of the population increases. 

Currently, erectile dysfunction is thought to affect over 

25% of men over the age of 50.2

  Although the frequency of erectile dysfunction increases 

with age, it must be stressed that ageing itself is not a 

cause of impotence. Although the amount and force of the 

ejaculate as well as the need to ejaculate decrease with 

age, the capacity for erection is retained. Men are capable 

of retaining their sexual virility well into their 80's.

  Erectile dysfunction may be due to organic or psychogenic 

factors. In the overwhelming majority of cases the cause is 

organic, i.e., it is due to some physiological reason.  In 

fact, in men over the age of 50, organic causes are 

responsible fro erectile dysfunction in of 90%3.  In the 

past, a man with impotence who was able to have nighttime 

or early morning erections was thought to have psychogenic 

impotence. However, it is mow recognized that this is not a 

reliable indicator.2 



Yohimbine

  The only FDA approved medicine for impotence is yohimbine 

- an alkaloid isolated from the bark of the yohimbe tree 

(Pausinystalia yohimbe) native to tropical West Africa.  

Yohimbine hydrochloride increases libido, but its primary 

action is to increase blood flow to erectile tissue. 

Yohimbine is a selective alpha-2 receptor antagonist. 

Contrary to a popular misconception, yohimbine has no 

effect on testosterone levels.

  When used alone, yohimbine is successful in 34% to 43% of 

cases 4 & 5. It is effective in both psychogenic and 

organic cause of impotence.  The standard dose of yohimbine 

is 15 to 20 mg per day, however, higher doses, up to 42 mg 

of yohimbine, may prove to be more effective.

  To illustrate the benefits to be expected in clinical 

practice, let's examine the results from one of the more 

recent double-blind studies. In the study, 82 men with 

erectile dysfunction selected from a Veterans 

Administration population with a high incidence of diabetes 

and vascular disease underwent a multifactorial evaluation, 

including a determination of penile brachial blood pressure 

index, caver nosography, sacral evoked response, 

testosterone and prolactin determination, sexual 

dysfunction and arousal test.

  After one month of treatment with the maximum of 42.0 mg 

oral yohimbine hydrocholride daily 14% of the patients 

experienced restoration of full and sustained erections. 

20% reported a partial response to the therapy and 65% 

reported no improvement.  In comparison, only three 

patients reported a positive effect in the placebo group. 

Maximum effect with yohimbine takes two to three weeks to 

manifest itself.  Yohimbine was active in some patients 

with arterial insufficiency and a unilateral sacral reflex 

arc lesion, and in one with low serum testosterone levels. 

The 34% response is somewhat encouraging given the study 

population.

  Side effects often make yohimbine very difficult to 

utilize. Yohimbine can induce anxiety, panic attacks, and 

hallucinations in some individuals. Other side effects 

include elevations in blood pressure, and heart rate, 

dizziness, headache, and skin flushing. Yohimbine should 

not be used in individuals with psychological disturbances.

  Although crude yohimbe bark preparations are available 

commercially, use of pure yohimbine hydrochloride is 

preferred.  There are no commercial sources of yohimbe bark 

that are available to physicians or in health food stores 

which actually state the level of yohimbine per dosage. 

Without knowing the content of yohimbine, it is virtually 

impossible to prescribe an effective and consistent dosage. 

Because of the yohimbine content of yohimbe bark, the FDA 

classifies yohimbe as an unsafe herb.



Muira puama

  Preliminary research indicates one of the best herbs to 

use for erectile dysfunction or lack of libido may be Muira 

puama (also known as potency wood). This shrub is native to 

Brazil and has long been used as a powerful aphrodisiac and 

nerve stimulant in South American folk medicine 6 . A 

recent study has validated its safety and effectiveness in 

improving libido and sexual function in some patients.

  At the Institute of Sexology in Paris, Franc, under the 

supervision of one of the world's foremost authorities on 

sexual function, Dr. Jacques Waynberg, a clinical study 

with 262 patients complaining of lack of sexual desire and 

the inability to attain or maintain an erection 

demonstrated Muira puama extract to be effective in many 

cases 7.    Within two weeks, at a daily dose of 1 to 1.5 

grams of the extract (4:1), 62% of patients with loss of 

libido claimed that the treatment had dynamic effect while 

51% of patients with "erection failures" felt that Muira 

puama was of benefit. These results are extremely promising 

and seem to indicate that Muira puama may provide better 

results than yohimbine without side effects.

  Presently, the mechanism of action of Muira puama is 

unknown, From the preliminary information, it appears that 

it works on enhancing both psychological and physical 

aspects of sexual function. Future research will 

undoubtably shed additional light ob this extremely 

promising herb for erectile dysfunction.





Printed in  the Healthy & Natural Journal, Vol. 2, Issue 1, 

Pages 95 - 96:





                   Herbal Treasures from the Amazon



Part Two: Male and Female

Hormone Regulation Herbs by Dr. Donna Schwontkowski

  When Mary Ellen, at 46 years of age, started to go 

through change of life symptoms - hot flashes, sweating, 

heart palpitations, depression, mood changes, increased 

feelings of stress and vaginal dryness - it reminded her of 

her mother's complicated menopausal years.  Her mom had 

been given estrogen replacement therapy, an effective but 

somewhat risky treatment for menopausal symptoms.

  Researchers have found that the greater the exposure to 

estrogen over a lifetime, the greater the risk of breast 

cancer.  After having taken estrogen replacement therapy 

for twenty years, Mary Ellen's mother was diagnosed with 

breast cancer.  Subsequent surgery and follow-up treatment 

successfully removed the cancer, and her doctor took her 

off estrogen replacement therapy because it is 

contraindicated in cases of breast cancer.

  Mary Ellen's mother had such a severe  reoccurrence of 

menopausal symptoms,  however, that she begged her doctor 

to put her back on estrogen replacement therapy.  He 

consented only after a year of persistent pleading, warning 

her of its dangers.  Five years later, Mary Ellen's mother 

thought she beat the odds against a reoccurrence of cancer; 

however, shortly thereafter her body was riddled with 

cancer that had spread to most of her major internal 

organs.  Mary Ellen feared she would experience a similar 

fate.

  In addition to the symptoms experienced by Mary Ellen and 

her mother, menopause increases the rate of bone loss 

leading to osteoporosis. Approximately 50% of women in the 

U.S. experience moderate to severe menopausal and 

post-menopausal symptoms.  These symptoms also include loss 

of muscle tone, thinning of the vaginal wall, and increased 

risk of bladder infections and prolapsed uterus.



HELP FROM THE AMAZON RAINFORESTS

Luckily Mary Ellen came across some herbs from the Amazon 

during this difficult time in her life.  Of the more than 

200,000 plant species found in the Amazon, many have been 

found to contain hormone-like compounds that are quite 

similar to estrogen and testosterone.  These plants have 

been traditionally used to treat women with PMS, menopause 

and miscarriages, and men with impotence and prostatitis.

  One of the most effective herbs from the Amazon for 

female problems is Suma.  Suma is called "Brazilian 

ginseng" because of the wide variety of conditions it is 

used to treat in Brazil.  Researchers report that it acts 

primarily as a regulator of the endocrine, nervous, 

musculoskeletal and digestive systems.  Suma is Classified 

as a  true adaptogen.  Adaptogens differ from other herbs 

in that they can be used safely on a daily basis.  Their 

action is normalizing, as opposed to stimulating or 

inhibitive.

  Two plant hormones, sitosterol and stigmasterol, occur 

naturally in Suma.  These two plant hormones are 

phytoestrogens, plant compounds that mimic some of the 

properties of estrogen.  Another plant compound found in 

Suma, beta-ecdysone, facilitates cellular oxygenation.

  Mary Ellen found that by taking a combination of Amazon 

herbs containing phytoestrogens, her menopausal symptoms 

stopped quickly.  Her fears about taking estrogen 

replacement were eliminated along with her fears of 

following in her mother's health footsteps.  Plants 

containing phyto-estrogens have been found to be protective 

against female hormonal-related cancers, including breast 

cancer, cancer of the cervix, and endometriosis.

  The incidence of female reproductive system problems such 

as breast cancer, endometriosis and PMS has increased 

dramatically within the past thirty years.  Ironically, 

some experts suggest that organochloride pesticides from 

the environment (DDT, aldrin, chlordane) - which also mimic 

estrogen in the body - are responsible for these increases. 

 Women with these disorders have a higher concentration of 

pesticides in their bodies than women without these 

disorders.

  Other herbs from the Amazon which help establish balance 

during the menstrual cycle or during menopause include 

Abuta, Maracuja, Marapuama, Star anise and Una de gato.  

Many of these herbs do this indirectly by regulating the 

nervous system.

  Abuta is always carried by midwives in the Amazon for 

menstrual cramps and pain before and after childbirth.  

They report that it prevents miscarriages.  In Ecuador, it 

has also been known to stoputerine hemorrhages.    

Maracuja, also call Passion Flower, is known throughout the 

world for its natural sedative properties.  Maracuja is 

especially helpful in cases of PMS.  It is traditionally 

used for nervous crises, - hysteria, depression, and 

headaches of nervous origin - symptoms that often occur 

prior to onset of the menstrual period in susceptible 

women.

                                                           

                                         

Scientific Names of Amazon Herbs Used For Female Disorders

                                                           

                                                        

  Abuta               Cissampleos pareira

  Maracuja       Passiflora incarnata (Passion Flower)

  Marapuama      Ptychopetalum uncinatum

  Star anise          Ilicium anisatrum

  Una de gato         Uncaria tomentosa

                                                           

                                                         



  According to Brazilians, Marapuama is used frequently for 

menstrual cramps, premenstrual syndrome and frigidity.  It 

is also a tonic for the nervous system and helps alleviate 

symptoms of depression.

  Star anise functions as a female tonic.  Herbal texts 

from Brazil report on its ability to eliminate sad thoughts 

during the menses.  Una de gato's long history of use for 

treatment of irregularities of the female cycle and other 

conditions is well-known in Peru. (See Oct. 1994 issue.)

  I have found that for female disorders, combinations of 

herbs from the Amazon are the most effective.  One 

35-year-old woman stated that she used to have two-to-four 

menstrual cycles per month, each lasting one week.  Amazon 

herbs regulated her periods and slowed down blood flow.  

After about six weeks on Amazon herbs, she began having 

only one period a month.

  Other women report total elimination of bloating, 

irritability and fatigue, and markedly reduced severity of 

cramps.  It is as if their bodies cycle effortlessly 

without any physiological strain from cycle to cycle.  

Without calendar vigilance, they don't realize their next 

cycle has arrived.  They appear to have reached a 

physiological state that expresses "femaleness" without 

pain and dysfunction. But what about the men?



AMAZON HERBALS FOR MEN

  By the time Mary Ellen's husband, Sam, hit his 40's, he 

had experienced what an estimated eighteen million American 

men between the ages of 40 and 70 currently experience - 

some aspect of male impotency.  Sam didn't want to end up 

as part of a statistic; 10% of men are completely impotent, 

according to a recent Massachusetts study.  He decided to 

try Amazon herbs.

  . Three herbs from the Amazon act as aphrodisiacs and 

have traditionally been used for impotence: Marapuama, 

Catuaba and Cajueiro.  A recent study at the Institute of 

Sexology in Paris, France, found that Marapuama was more 

effective than Yohimbine (pharmaceutical extract from the 

plant  Yohimbe) for erectile dysfunctions. Sam tried 

Marapuama, and Mary Ellen reported great results.

  Catuaba is used not only for male impotency, but also as 

a tonic for the male organs and nervous system.  It has 

been used for extreme fatigue.  Marapuama, also used for 

impotency, is a tonic for the nervous system.  It helps 

both males and females.

    Cajueiro has aphrodisiac properties and is a general 

tonic for the body.  Tonics increase vitality by 

strengthening and rejuvenating either a specific organ, a 

system, or the whole body.  The value of tonic herbs lies 

in their normalizing and nurturing effect on the body.

    Abuta is used by men in the Amazon for inflammation of 

the testicles.  It is also helpful for kidney stones and 

other minor kidney problems.  Pau d' Arco and Jatoba are 

helpful in the treatment of prostate inflammations.

    Psychological and physiological problems resulting from 

imbalances in sex hormones are difficult to treat.  Some 

treatments, like estrogen replacement therapy and 

testosterone replacement therapy, carry high risks with 

them.  Amazon herbs, however, offer a risk-free, 

side-effect-free option to individuals with these 

disorders.



                                                           

                                              

Scientific Names of Amazon Herbs Used for Male Problems

                                                           

                                              

  Catuaba           Juniperis brasiliensis

  Marapuama            Ptychopetalum uncinatum

  Cajueiro          Anacardium occidentale

  Abuta             Cissampelos pareira

  Pau d'Arco                   Tecoma impetiginosa   Jatoba 

               Hymenaea courbaril

                                                           

                                             

  

     The Amazon Rainforest is an important health resource 

for our future.  We are just beginning to unlock health 

secrets that can change the health of millions of people in 

the world.



  Dr Donna Schwontkowski obtained her doctorate degree in 

Chiropractic Medicine from National College of Chiropractic 

in Lombard, Illinois simultaneously with a Master's Degree 

in Nutrition from Northern Illinois University in 1990.  

Her long-standing interest in natural healing therapies and 

extensive experience in the field of nutrition prompted a 

research project in 1991 on the effect of an Amazonian 

herbal combination on weight loss in adults.  She continues 

to research the Rainforest herbs and is currently on a 

nationwide radio circuit to educate people on how they may 

benefit from the use of these herbs. Her chiropractic 

practice emphasizes the natural healing treasures from the 

Amazon Rainforest.  She has written a book called Herbs 

From the Amazon: Traditional and Common Uses.  



Excerpted from the 1993 GAIA SYMPOSIUM PROCEEDINGS, 

NATUROPATHIC HERBAL MEDICINE, "Herbal Healing Wisdom for 

the Future" May 29-31, 1993



 Muira Puama



  Muira puama,  a.k.a. potency wood (Ptychopetalum 

olacoides), is a shrub native to Brazil that has long been 

used as a powerful aphrodisiac and nerve stimulant in  folk 

medicine.  A recent clinical study has validated its safety 

and effectiveness in improving libido and sexual function 

in men.



  At the Institute of Sexology in Paris, France, a clinical 

study with 262 patients complaining of lack of sexual 

desire and the inability to attain or maintain an erection 

demonstrated Muira puama extract (4:1) to be effective in 

many cases. Within two weeks, at a daily dose of 1 to 1.5 

grams of extract, 62% of  patients with loss of libido 

claimed that the treatment had dynamic effect while 51% of 

patients with "erection failures" felt that Muira puama was 

of benefit.



  Presently, the mechanism of action of Muira puama is 

unknown. Future research will undoubtedly shed additional 

light on this extremely promising herb for impotence.      

               

                                                           

                                                           

                                             



Excerpted from the book: Traditional Uses of Rainforest 

Botanicals, by John Easterling,  PAGE 27:



                               MARAPUAMA

                        Ptychopetalum uncinatum

                               Brazilian

Actions

*   Tonifies nervous system

*    Neurosexual stimulation

*    Anti-rheumatic properties

*    Fortifies stomach and intestines



Traditional Use

Therapeutic and physiological experiments confirm the 

usefulness of Marapuama in treating gastrointestinal and 

reproductive disorders.  Recommended for soothing the 

nervous system, especially helpful in cases of nervous 

exhaustion.  Has been used for treating stress and trauma. 

 Enhances libido.



Meridian Indications

*  Regulates Yin and Yang in Triple Warmer meridian

*  General tonic for blood Qi



EAV Points

*  Triple Warmer

*  Circulation

*  Sinus



Administration

20 drops in water, orally, 2 times daily.



Excerpted from the book: HERBS OF THE AMAZON, Traditional 

and Common Uses, by Dr. Donna Schwontkowski,  Page 36:



                               Marapuama

                        Ptychopetalum uncinatum



This herb is influential in treating the symptoms of 

nervous problems and disorders, such as neurasthenia, 

neuralgia, or nervous depression.  It is a tonic for the 

nervous system.



Marapuama has aphrodisiac properties and is used for 

genital weakness (frigidity or impotency) by the 

Brazilians.  It helps menstrual cramps and premenstrual 

syndrome.



It is used for rheumatism and has not been found to be 

toxic.  Marapuama is also thought to fortify the stomach 

and intestines.





                                                           

                                                           

                                           



Excerpted from the Book: Powerful and Unusual Herbs from 

the Amazon and China, by the World Preservation Society, 

Page 12:



MARAPUAMA Ptychopetalum uncinatum

  Marapuama has been used in tonifying the nervous system 

and for cases of mild exhaustion.  It helps with 

gastrointestinal and reproductive disorders.  It has 

antirheumatic properties and can be used for treating 

stress and trauma.  Because of neurosexual stimulation it 

can enhance the libido.  It can enhance blood chi and 

balance yin and yang in the triple warmer.  It has been 

considered to be useful in prevention of some types of 

baldness.  It is also used for neuromuscular problems.



Excerpted from the artilce "Rainforest Therapy" by Joseph 

Wallace, Sierra Magazine, July/Aug Vol 76, Issue 4,  pages 

37- 41.

    

                               MARAPUAMA

                        Ptychopetalum uncinatum

                            Fam.  Olacaceae





Features: Marapuama is a small  tree or bush which 

flourishes in north and northeast  Brazil.  It has white 

flowers with a pungent smell similar to jasmine. The herbal 

tea made with the bark of Marapuama is slightly bitter 

tasting.  It can be sweetened with honey or Stevia.



Brazilian uses and Folklore: Marapuama has long been valued 

as an aphrodisiac and tonic for the nervous system. M.  

Penna, in his book  "Notes Sobre Plantas Brasileires" 

(Araujo  Penna & Cia.,  Rio de Janeiro, 1930) states that 

Marapuama is a "Neurosthenetic, aphrodisiac. . . and 

anti-rheumatic.  It is recommended on a basis of confirmed 

experience, in the treatment of disorders of the nervous 

system. . . Through the latest physiological and 

therapeutic experiments done in Paris by Dr. Rebourgeon, 

the efficiency of this plant has been confirmed. .. giving 

good results in gastrointestinal and circulatory asthenia 

and in impotency of the genital organs." (p. 258).  G. L. 

Cruz concurs, indicating the use of Marapuama for problems 

of the nervous system and sexual impotency."*



When treating the symptoms of sexual impotency or lack of 

desire, Brazilian men usually mix teas made from Marapuama 

and Catuaba.



Uses: Used in disturbances of the genital organs, in  cases 

of impotency; also an aphrodisiac.  Influential in treating 

symptoms of nervous problems and disorders (neurasthenia, 

neuralgia). Anti-rheumatic, fortifies the stomach and 

intestines.



* Livro verde, p. 607



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: nskapski@superior.carleton.ca (natalia skapski)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:46:18 GMT



hi there,



i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

major concern is that if i get pregnant, i don't want to be popping

ibuprophin all the time.



thanx



natalia



nskapski@ccs.carleton.ca





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: solodoc@aol.com (SoloDoc)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 14:27:14 -0400



Both "cats claw" and shark cartilege have anti-inflammatory properties

that I have found useful. Hope this helps. E-mail me if you need a source



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 17:49:46 -0700



natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

: hi there,



: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

: major concern is that if i get pregnant, i don't want to be popping

: ibuprophin all the time.



Are you allergic to aspirin?  If not, you might want to try white willow

capsules or tea, which contains the natural chemical on which modern

aspirin is based.  _Earl Mindell's Herb Bible_ also recommends yucca

for joint inflammation associated with arthritis and rheumatism.  As

always, advise your doctor that you are taking these herbs.



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 13:41:24 GMT



natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

: hi there,

: 

: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my



I'm being a bit silly here, but asprin was discovered as

the active compound in willow bark, right ? So how about asprin ?



-- 

Charge for posts by the byte !



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 17:51:31 GMT



akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson) wrote:

>natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

>: hi there,

>: 

>: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

>: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

>: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

>

>I'm being a bit silly here, but asprin was discovered as

>the active compound in willow bark, right ? So how about asprin ?

>

This is a very good point. Natalia was writing because  aspirin and 

ibuprofen are BOTH bad news to fetuses, so aspirin is out of the 

question. Anti-inflammatories which are herbal often work because they 

contain salicylates(aspirin-type compounds), so they would be just as big 

a problem for the baby as the over the counter stuff. Although I don't 

know for sure, I'm a bit suspect of feverfew (I'm assuming this falls 

into the anti-inflammatory bag) as well as the more obvious salicylates 

such as willow bark and wintergreen. Wish I knew enough organic chem to 

know whether this was also on the no-no list. Cause the hype about its 

efficacy on migraines sounds great... I get em, and I worry about what on 

earth I'll be able to take for them when I get pregnant. Everything under 

the sun seems to be contraindicated in pregnancy.  

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: alchemy@Direct.CA (Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:14:21 -0800





> >natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

> >: hi there,

> >: 

> >: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

> >: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

> >: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

> >



I have a similar problem with headaches that only ibuprophin alleviate, and

with planning to get pregnant.  Last week I tried a decoction of cramp bark

and it worked.  Cranio-sacral treatments also work for me, when I can get

them.



Tamara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 04:56:49 GMT



I take GLA ( Evening Primrose or Borage Oil) to reduce imflamation in my

back and pelvic area. Might that help for joints too? It helps the body

produce the anti-imflamatory prostaglandins. It is often recommended for

women with PMS too, but I am not sure about Pregancy. Anyone else have

thoughts?



Julia



> >natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

> >: hi there,

> >: 

> >: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

> >: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

> >: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

 snip snip snip



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: is there an herbal ibuprophin substitute?

From: cbader1@swarthmore.edu (Caroline Bader)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 03:20:59 GMT



In article <jkl-2310952113570001@sfsp45.slip.net>, jkl@slip.net (Julia K.

Larkin) wrote:



> I take GLA ( Evening Primrose or Borage Oil) to reduce imflamation in my

> back and pelvic area. Might that help for joints too? It helps the body

> produce the anti-imflamatory prostaglandins. It is often recommended for

> women with PMS too, but I am not sure about Pregancy. Anyone else have

> thoughts?

> 

> Julia

> 

> > >natalia skapski (nskapski@superior.carleton.ca) wrote:

> > >: hi there,

> > >: 

> > >: i have problems with joint inflamation.  my doctor has suggested

> > >: ibuprophin.  generally, i'm fine with that.  what i would like to know is

> > >: if there is an herbal substitute for anti-inflamatory medications.  my

>  snip snip snip



White Willow bark (salix alba) is an herb which was the basis for the

synthesis of aspirin.  It contains salicin, which I believe is the active

ingredient in aspirin.



Carrie



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Ecstasy

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:27:42 GMT



In message ID <4620h4$1gi$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> on 10/17/95, Tron

wrote:



: I recently heard about a product called Herbal Ecstasy. It was 

: being used by young people to give them a "high" mental boost. 

: Has anyone tried it? Can it be ordered? It seems like it is only 

: a natural caffine boost.



Dangerous poison. Try No-doz taken together with Pseudafed--safer, same

chemistry, measured dose [don't, this is sarcasm, true as it is].



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: allergic to the cold

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 16:51:56 GMT



I am allergic to cold, when it happens my blood vessals shrink and less 

blood gets to my extremites and my hands and feet get cold.  But I have 

also noticed that I cold a lot faster than most people.  So my question is

are there some herbs I could mix into a tea that would counter act this 

allergy so I can stop being a popsicle all the time.



Thanks in advance



Raicara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergic to the cold

From: "K. Jones" <kejones@u.washington.edu>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:25:32 -0700



I've read in Natural Health that taking Cayanne (sp?) suppliments can 

improve blood flow to the extremities.  They suggest taking one capsule 

once a day for a few days and then increasing to two.  You can get the 

pepper in bulk at co-ops and buy your own gell caps to fill.  I'm going 

to try this out this winter, as I have a similar problem.



-Karin



On 18 Oct 1995, Gale McCready wrote:



> I am allergic to cold, when it happens my blood vessals shrink and less 

> blood gets to my extremites and my hands and feet get cold.  But I have 

> also noticed that I cold a lot faster than most people.  So my question is

> are there some herbs I could mix into a tea that would counter act this 

> allergy so I can stop being a popsicle all the time.

> 

> Thanks in advance

> 

> Raicara

> 

> 

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergic to the cold

From: mgang@io.org

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:49:59 GMT





>On 18 Oct 1995, Gale McCready wrote:



>> I am allergic to cold, when it happens my blood vessals shrink and less 

>> blood gets to my extremites and my hands and feet get cold.  But I have 

>> also noticed that I cold a lot faster than most people.  So my question is

>> are there some herbs I could mix into a tea that would counter act this 

>> allergy so I can stop being a popsicle all the time.

>> 

>> Thanks in advance

>> 

I used to have this problem.  Acupuncture from my Chinese doctor

helped alleviate it --- opening up the channels so that the necessary

energies, fluids, etc. can flow better to the extremities.  I also

noticed that my toenails became healthier looking as well.



I think this happens to us as we get older and bodily functions slow

down, unless we make eforts to keep them going.



Ginseng, as well as cayenne pepper -- taken in the fall, do help to

heat the blood.

I've noticed improvements with people who get help from Ayurvedic

sources as well as Chinese doctors who understand this very well.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergic to the cold

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 12:37:42 GMT





>>On 18 Oct 1995, Gale McCready wrote:

>

>>> I am allergic to cold, when it happens my blood vessals shrink and less 

>>> blood gets to my extremites and my hands and feet get cold.  But I have 

>>> also noticed that I cold a lot faster than most people.So my question 

is

>>> are there some herbs I could mix into a tea that would counter act this 

>>> allergy so I can stop being a popsicle all the time.



Sounds like Reynaud's syndrome ... once the hands or feet get a bit chilled

they almost shut down circulation. 



First ... have your thyroid hormone levels checked.  Low levels mean little

  heat production.

Avoid tobacco (nicotine is a blood vessel constrictor) even as second hand

  smoke.

One of the b-vitamins is a very good dilator of blood vessels ... I think

it's niacin, but may be wrong.  (It's not B12 or 6)



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergic to the cold

From: healthtrek@aol.com (HealthTrek)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:59:58 -0400



In addition to the Cayanne, Echnecia (Purple Coneflower) increases the

amount 

of oxygen carried in the bloodstream.  I know it is used to boost the

immune

system but you may want to check it out for your problems too.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cabbage leaves and lactation?

From: hamilton@umbc.edu (Diana Hamilton)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 12:52:34 -0400



I just weaned my 8 month old son and wanted tips on how to hasten the 

drying-up process. People in misc.kids suggested I place cabbage leaves 

in my bra! It may be helping.



I'm really curious. Does anyone here know what the biochemical basis for 

this is? Or would it be more of a "psychosomatic" effect, like many wart 

cures?

-- 

Diana Hamilton -- hamilton@alumni.umbc.edu -- Baltimore, MD USA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Controlling High Blood Pressure

From: bw442@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Sandra Carpenter)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:01:06 GMT





I am researching alternative methods of controlling hypertension (high

blood pressure).



Developing "The Relaxation Response" i.e. meditation seems a good idea.

Medicinal use of garlic has been suggested (dosage?)



Could you share your ideas/experiences/knowledge with me on this subject?



Thanx



Sandra



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controlling High Blood Pressure

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 23:45:18 



In article: <DGnLxu.M69@freenet.carleton.ca>  bw442@FreeNet.Carleton.CA 

(Sandra Carpenter) writes:

> 

> 

> I am researching alternative methods of controlling hypertension (high

> blood pressure).

> 

> Developing "The Relaxation Response" i.e. meditation seems a good idea.

> Medicinal use of garlic has been suggested (dosage?)

> 

> Could you share your ideas/experiences/knowledge with me on this subject?

> 

> Thanx

> 

> Sandra





Valerie Ann Worwood in her book "The Fragrant Pharmacy" recommends "Dietary 

changes are particularly important, Eat fruit, vegetables, fish poultry, 

pulses and grains, Use olive oil, spices, garlic and eat raw food whenever you 

 can... Do not eat animal fats, sugars, refined wheat, red meats and dairy 

foods, and cut out salt entirely......  Exercise is very important, but dont't 

overdo things though..... Take suplements such as vitamein A in the Beta 

Ceretone form, vitamins C and E, selenium. geranium, ((germanium??)) and the 

remarkable co-enzyme CoQ10."



Essential oils for hypertension Clary-sage; Hyssop; Lavender; Marjoram. 

Massage once a day (5% in a carrier/base oil) The massage should be gentle and 

with a rhythmic flow...



Graham





> 

> 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Controlling High Blood Pressure

From: pryde@dme.nt.gov.au (B Pryde 61-89-895229)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 02:25:20 GMT



I have had some success using essential oils of Ylang Ylang and Lavendar mixed i

n equal portions.  If it is for a  lady, it could be mixed with some alchol, wat

er & glycerine and used as a perfume OR//AND about 10 drops of each in a warm ba

th AND/OR a fortnightly massage which includes these oils.



Hope it's of some help.



---

B Pryde - Darwin Australia

pryde@dme.nt.gov.au





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FLEA PROBLEM

From: vfoao00i@csun.edu (michael hoffberg)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 17:05:19 GMT





I have been able to almost eliminate fleas completely and naturally by

putting a capful or two of apple cider vinegar in my pet's drinking

water.  We have two dogs and two cats and several years ago we had an

extrememly bad flea infestation.  None of the usual solutions seemed to

work and we did not want to use poisons.  It took about a few weeks to

control the problem, but since then we have harldy ever seen a flea, even

during high infestation periods.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FLEA PROBLEM

From: eprn@aol.com (EP RN)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:45:25 -0400



In article <463c4f$av3@dewey.csun.edu>, vfoao00i@csun.edu (michael

hoffberg) writes:



>I have been able to almost eliminate fleas completely and naturally by

>putting a capful or two of apple cider vinegar in my pet's drinking

>water.  We have two dogs and two cats and several years ago we had an

>extrememly bad flea infestation.  None of the usual solutions seemed to

>work and we did not want to use poisons.  It took about a few weeks to

>control the problem, but since then we have harldy ever seen a flea, even

>during high infestation periods.

>

>



How do you get cats to drink water with apple cider vinegar added?



Elizabeth Powell



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for menstrual cramps

From: dcross01@solix.fiu.edu (darryl s cross)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 22:13:44 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: valarian root - odor

From: laidbak@ibm.net

Date: 19 Oct 1995 00:15:16 GMT



I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried it, but

 I'm

having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the bottle the

smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears that

it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off). I am 

not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it normally 

smells or if theses pills were bad. Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't care

how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!



Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:49:28 GMT



In article <4645ak$2j6c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, laidbak@ibm.net wrote:



>I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day 

>and when I opened the bottle the

>smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears that

>it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off). I 

am 

>not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it 

normally 

>smells or if theses pills were bad.



It's normal - both the color and odor.  I think it's more like an

ancient gym locker myself.



It is VERY effective for inducing sleep ... just swallow fast with lots of 

water.



Callie



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http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: Chuck <cci.ltd@internetmci.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 01:32:40 GMT



OK, I can't relate to your smell technique but yes it does stink!



I use once in a while, especially I get a little "stupid" and 

want to be able to sleep.  It stinks.  You think that's bad I mix

it with Sassafrass root.  Boil that stuff and it ruins your house 

for 2 maybe 3 hours.



BUT, it works!  We grow it, we use it, we don't abuse it - 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: daliwzrd1@aol.com (Daliwzrd1)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 00:23:22 -0400





>I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried

it, but I'm

>having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the

bottle the

>smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears

that

>it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off).

I am 

>not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it

normally 

>smells or if theses pills were bad. Anyway, I threw the pills out, I

don't care

>how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!

>

>Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  



Valerian does smell/taste kinda rank. I've never used it in pill form but

as a tincture, mixed with a little water, shot like whiskey, and chased

with some fresh spring water. It works rather well. Results seem to be

cumulative as if taking valium. I used it for the same thing - quiting

smoking. Stick with it and if your experience is like mine, you'll be

having some very pleasant dreams.  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 05:53:58 GMT



On 19 Oct 1995 00:15:16 GMT, laidbak@ibm.net wrote:



>I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried it, bu

t I'm

>having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the bottle the

>smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears that

>it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off). I am 

>not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it normally 

>smells or if theses pills were bad. Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't care

>how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!

>

>Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  



Actually, it's not all that bad if made into a tea and laced with tons

of honey.  I too choked on the smell of it the first time, and

recently, at a camp-out at my place, I was going to show a few people

one of the worst herb smells I've ever found.  I brought out the

bottle of it (has to be stored in glass, the smell goes right through

plastic) and opened the jar and smelled it.  Was the oddest thing ...

for some strange reason it didn't smell bad at all, and everyone else

that smelled it didn't know why I had thought it was a bad smell

either.  Could it have been a collective olfactory hallucination? The

herb is only about 3 months old and was stored in sealed glass in a

dark place. So I'm sure it has not degraded at all in potency.  It was

just a very odd occurance that this rotten smelling valerian --

actually smelled -- PLEASANT to everyone that was there.  One herb

book says it only smells bad to certain people and others don't notice

it that way (I thought they were lieing).



What would cause this shift in the way one senses something? (and I

mean on a group-scale like what happened).  Could it have been some

odd spiritual event of some kind? Like maybe the people in attendence

were all on a new plane, or in tune with something?  (No, it was not

the wrong bottle, I labeled it with large smell warnings. :) Has

anyone else ever noticed that their  valerian actually gives off a

pleasing aroma? This time it was almost an earthy-mint kind of smell,

or something on the order of pennyroyal with it's menthol odor. Hard

to describe, but it was a nice smell.  We were all outdoors, could

that have had something to do with it?  (Some say that when eating

outside, the food tastes different. If this is the case with valerian,

I'd tell everyone to do their valerian outside. :)



There's a chemical that is a genetic indicator for certain people,

some can taste it, others can not, I've done the test way back in the

school days. Could valerian be on this order of things? Some

predisposed to having a bad experience with it.  But then, that

wouldn't explain why I found the aroma pleasing too this last time.



Sorry for rambling, but the topic reminded me of this odd shift in

perceptions that happened.  I'm puzzled.



(side note: a book I have says that cats get off on valerian better

than catnip.  I've offered it to a few people in the past for their

cats, but their cats have showed no interest.  Anyone else have

experience with this?)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 07:31:51 GMT



laidbak@ibm.net wrote:

>I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day <snip> and when I opened

 the bottle the

>smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears that

>it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off). I am 

>not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it normally 

>smells or if theses pills were bad.



Yes, that is how it smells.  Personally, I take tinctures (easier to 

regulate dosage) and it tastes distinctive too.  But, it works, and after 

a time, it doesn't seem to smell BAD anymore.  Now it just smells like 

Valariana officinalis.



> Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't care

>how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!



I suspect that part of the smell was a result of the pill making process, 

ie: binders, fillers, gelatine caps, etc.



If insomnia is still a problem you might try Passiflora incarnata 

(passion flower) either tinctured (it tastes VERY good) or blended with 

chamomile &/or lavender.



Sleep well,

Deb



Trust your body, it's the only one you have!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 14:17:49 GMT



In article <4645ak$2j6c@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>

laidbak@ibm.net writes:



> I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried it, b

ut I'm

> having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the bottle th

e

> smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears that

> it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top it off). I am 

> not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if this is how it normally 

> smells or if theses pills were bad. Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't car

e

> how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!

> 

> Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  



Valerian smells pretty bad, but it works so well for me I've grown to

actually like the smell.  I buy the root and grind it, mix it with

skullcap, then put it in capsules stored in a dark glass jar.  The only

time it smells is when I open the jar.  Two capsules put me to sleep

very pleasantly, with no grogginess in the morning.  They also help me

stop pointless worrying.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: valarian root - odor

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:13:00 -0640



-> I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never

-> tried it, but I'm

-> having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the

-> bottle the

-> smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and she swears

-> that it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown to top

-> it off).

         Yep, thats exactly how valerian smells, the good stuff anyway.

Good ways to utilize the active principle include powdering the root and

swallowing Gelcaps full of it and tincturing the root in grain

alchohol. Use valerian sparingly, you can become dependant apon it, I

like to think that the odor is natures precaution against overuse.

                                        Bella



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: Xenia_King@RedwoodFN.org (Xenia King)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 03:44:49 GMT



"Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't care

how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!



Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???"



Yes, Valarian root smells terrible.  I used to take some "Calmtabs" and they

did work, but tasted so horrible I only used them when absolutely necessary. 





You might try Hylands Calm Forte or Melatonin.  They both work for me if I'm

having trouble sleeping.



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 02:40:52 GMT



In article <284745693.15365740@RedwoodFN.org>, Xenia_King@RedwoodFN.org wrote:



> "Anyway, I threw the pills out, I don't care

> how badly I need sleep, I can't take anything that smells that bad !!!

> 

> Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???"





Yup. It's putrid. Tastes just like it smells too. I take a homeopathic

dosage of valerian sublingually when I need to sleep. It doesn't smell or

taste bad and has the added advantage of working faster than a pill



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:27:09 GMT



jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin) writes:



>Yup. It's putrid.



Hm.  I like it.  I use valerian soap because it smells so good.

De gustibus ...



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:09:54 GMT



peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) writes:



>Hm.  I like it.  I use valerian soap because it smells so good.



OOOPS!  I was confused.  I meant verbena.  So sorry!



Peter



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: valarian root - odor

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 03:00:21 GMT



On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 21:27:09 GMT, peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland)

wrote:



>jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin) writes:

>

>>Yup. It's putrid.

>

>Hm.  I like it.  I use valerian soap because it smells so good.

>De gustibus ...

>

>-- 

>Peter Renzland   +1 416 323-1300 @_{) Cajun  Contra ECD SCD ,  @     _{)_  ,

>Peter@Passport.Ca  EntP Kia Ora! (>(| Hambo   Irish   Lindy \/( )\/\/\  /\/ 

>Toronto Traditional Social Dance /\/| Polka  Schottis  Snoa   /=\    /==\   

>Calendar: mail Dance@Passport.Ca /><\ Square  Tango Vintage  /___\   |/\|   

>Je danse donc je suis   tanztoll      Waltz Zwiefach Zydeco  _/ \_  \# _#   

>



Ah, another one that found valerian pleasant. That is so odd. (I

posted about this a while back. I used to think it smelled terrible,

but the last time I opened the jar, it was almost ... more than

pleasant! I thought I had opened the wrong jar.  Weird.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Looking for plantain seeds

From: sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 21:00:32 -0500



Greetings!



I'm looking for a source for plantain seeds.  Please advise - Thanks! 

Alissa



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for plantain seeds

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 08:00:11 GMT



sorenson@qns2.qns.com (Alissa Sorenson) wrote:

>Greetings!

>

>I'm looking for a source for plantain seeds.  Please advise - Thanks! 

>Alissa



Really?  It's such a weed in my yard I'd gladly send you some.  The local 

health food store may also carry them.



Deb

deb@mtjeff.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Postpartum Backache

From: stuart@intex.net (STUART JOHNSON)

Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:24:31 CST



I am way over my head on this one but..



Two associate of mine are experiancing severe backaches since giving birth. 

One was approx. 10 months ago the other the other about 5 months. One had a C 

section the other a natural birth. They both say just the bending over to 

pick up the baby causes sever pain.



Does anyone have an herbal recommendation for them?



Thanks for any suggestions.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Chinese Herbs

From: <east@wwa.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 02:26:43 GMT





 nyles@bpa.arizona.edu (nyles) writes:

>I have a list of Chinese herbs (Latin names) and

>can't seem to get a source for most of them.

>

>I'm not looking to purchase them in caps but loose

>in bulk quantities.

>

>Can anyone PLEASE help.

>           ^^^^^^

>

>Please e-mail me at the above address.

>

>Thank you all very much!

>

>Nyles



Dear Nyles:



    We carry all the Chinese herbs in bulk form, send me your list and I will gi

ve some prices. We carry the largest variety of Chinese herbs anywhere, and spec

ialize in hard to find herbs.

you will find our prices extremely reasonable and we can explain in english any 

questions you might have.



Sincerely,



Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Wanted: Source of Essential Oils (bulk)

From: jasmine@idirect.com (Brandi Jasmine)

Date: 19 Oct 95 02:48:04 GMT



That just about says it all ... I am considering starting a small section 

on a home page dedicated to custom oil mixtures based on Zodiacal 

correspondences.  I need a wide variety of oils, and I live in Canada. 

Ideally, I would love to find a company that is net accessible (at least 

via e-mail). I'd be most grateful for any information.



Reply to: nitefall@idirect.com.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ECHINACEA - Does it Work????

From: ronelan@idirect.com (R. E. E.)

Date: 19 Oct 95 02:51:59 GMT



Lately, I've been hearing many people talk about the wonders of

ECHINACEA.



I've come to this newsgroup to ask if anyone has had any experience,

+ve or -ve to share.  Please e-mail me directly.



ronelan@idirect.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essiac: Anyone familiar?

From: dglasser@telerama.lm.com (Dave Glasser)

Date: 18 Oct 1995 23:10:37 -0400





Does anyone have any experience treating cancer with Essiac, a mixture of 

herbs which is brewed into a tea and taken by mouth?  According to a book 

I have, _The Essiac Report_, subtitled "Canada's unknown cancer remedy," 

it has been used with phenomenol success.  I would like, however, to hear 

directly from someone who's had some experience with it.





In case anyone's interested, the book is published by The Alternative 

Treatment Information Network, 1244 Ozeta Terrace, Los Angeles, CA 90069, 

Tel 310-278-6611, Fax 310-278-4624.  Please don't flame me for a 

commercial post.  I'm not connected in any way with this publisher or any 

suppliers of this product.  I'm including the information to save myself 

the trouble of answering any email requests for it.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Grapefruit Seed extract

From: Fox <demented@rain.org>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 04:34:27 GMT



Can anyone please help provide some information on grapefruit seed 

extract.  Please eMail me.  Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed extract

From: davryan@teleport.com (Scott Swentex)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:12:28 GMT



Fox <demented@rain.org> wrote:



>Can anyone please help provide some information on grapefruit seed 

>extract.  Please eMail me.  Thanks.





   ...Nutri-Biotic in Lakeport,CA(usa) sells the extract as an

        antiseptic...& provide info on the substance



      their (usa) toll-free # is 800-225-4345





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FREE complete online reference guide for HERBS!

From: Charles Hill <longlife@bga.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 08:29:39 GMT



There is a new WWW site that contains a complete guide for HERBS and 

there uses.  It's at http://www.realtime.net/anr/herbs.html



-- 

Charles Hill,  Austin Nutritional Research

4815 West Braker Ln.;  Building 502, Suite 180;  Austin, Texas  78759

longlife@bga.com

Complete Reference Guides for Vitamins, Minerals, Herbs, Amino Acids,

and Nutrients located at:   http://www.realtime.net/anr



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tinnitis and gingko biloba

From: peat@bga.com (peter J. Farley)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 08:36:48 GMT



a good friend of mine is taking gingko for tinnutis (ringing in the ears) 

but has no clue as to proper dosage, type of supplement, etc.



could someone please email info on this condition and on gingko as a 

treatment? i don't have www access so i can't get to the tinnutis website..



thanks,

pete



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinnitis and gingko biloba

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 06:52:59 GMT



In article <4652n0$qch@giga.bga.com> peat@bga.com "peter J. Farley" writes:



> could someone please email info on this condition and on gingko as a 

> treatment? i don't have www access so i can't get to the tinnutis website..



You could try the alt.support.tinnitus newsgroup.

-- 

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Micronair Engineering    Fax  : (44) (0)1782 565834

(Pollution Control)      Data : (44) (0)1782 562213 (running up to 14400 baud)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Licorice Root for Urinary Tract Infection - Is it so?

From: lstein@ecel.uwa.edu.au (Les Stein)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 09:50:03 GMT



I understand that a combination of licorice root and marshmellow root are 

effective in urinary tract infections.  Anyone had any experience?



Thanks...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lstein@ecel.uwa.edu.au

Subject: Re: Licorice Root for Urinary Tract Infection - Is it so?

From: NICK Miller  EAST MEETS WEST <nick4621@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:59:42 GMT



In combination with Uva Ursi, Gou QiZi and Gan Cao (chinese version of 

licorce) and taken as a decoction, has helped all of our customers with 

urinary tract infections. There are also plenty of Chinese Herbal 

formulas that really work.



Nick Miller

President

East Meets West International





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root for Urinary Tract Infection - Is it so?

From: gravel@serv.net (Malcolm Brand)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:21:01 GMT



lstein@ecel.uwa.edu.au (Les Stein) wrote:



>I understand that a combination of licorice root and marshmellow root are 

>effective in urinary tract infections.  Anyone had any experience?



>Thanks...



Although I have not personally tried it, I found reference in "the

Herb Book " by John Lust that Licorice root is good for bladder

infections.



Also in the "Pocket Herbal Reference Guide" it lists these herbs in

their bladder formula.



burdock

corn silk

couchgrass

cranberry

golden rod

gravel root

mashmallow

pipsissewa

uva ursi



hope this helps

Gravelvoice Audio Services





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: gravel@serv.net

Subject: Re: Licorice Root for Urinary Tract Infection - Is it so?

From: cmoore@pacificnet.net

Date: 28 Oct 1995 19:43:07 GMT



I have found "Cranberry extract" pills to be excellent.  You can

buy them cheaply at Trader Joe's in California for about $5.00 a

bottle.  Two pills first day and two pills second day did the trick

for me.  I noticed a dramatic difference right away (as opposed to

doctor's prescription which I took 5 days and ultimately wasn't

effective.)  BUT this is only my experience; not meant to be a 

prescription.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Licorice Root for Urinary Tract Infection - Is it so?

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:18:44 GMT



On 28 Oct 1995 19:43:07 GMT, cmoore@pacificnet.net wrote:



>I have found "Cranberry extract" pills to be excellent.  You can

>buy them cheaply at Trader Joe's in California for about $5.00 a

>bottle.  Two pills first day and two pills second day did the trick

>for me.  I noticed a dramatic difference right away (as opposed to

>doctor's prescription which I took 5 days and ultimately wasn't

>effective.)  BUT this is only my experience; not meant to be a 

>prescription.

>



An infusion of celery-seed is very effective.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: DEPRESSION:ALTERNATIVES

From: john.pauly@SanDiegoCA.NCR.COM (John L. Pauly II)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:29:24 GMT



In article <60.33035.2167.0N1F9316@canrem.com> david.lloyd-jones@canrem.com (Dav

id Lloyd-Jones) writes:



> wyldewilli@aol.com (Wyldewilli) asks:

> 

>WI+My spouse has been dealing with depression for 4 yrs. I am interested in

>  +getting some alternative approaches to treeting this disease.

> 

>It is difficult to be depressed if you smile.  Even an imitation smile 

>will do.  Look in the mirror, say to yourself "I am not _really_ going 

>to smile, I am just going to make my face _look_ as though I'm 

>smiling."  Then do it...

> 

>It is also pretty much impossible to be depressed if you run a mile a 

>day.  Start with walking a quarter mile, and being only a little un-

>depressed.

> 

>                                        -dlj.



Sorry.  I used to run 6 miles a day and .....



Regards,



John

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: handmade Soaps, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oils  -  andytxt.txt [1/1]

From: woody@epix.net (Soaplady)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 11:30:00 GMT



Hi I make handmade Herbal and Goat milk soap, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oils and mo

re.

All my products are 100 % natural and CHEMICAL FREE.

For a brochure please e-mail your mailing address to woody@epix.net

Thank you

Soaplady

COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pau D'Arco

From: MTroy@sisna.com (Troy McSpadden)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:21:01 GMT



I need some info on the uses of Pau D'arco(sp?), a friend gave 

me some, but I have no idea what to do with it.



Dyane (MDyane@sisna.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: new jersey herbs

From: t clark <71307.2373@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 16:27:06 GMT



will be visiting new jersey and would like to know a good retail 

shop for herbs in the westfield area.can anyone advise ?

thanks tom clark 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 17:02:55 GMT



Hi all --



While I lived in Santa Fe I had a number of friends who went on three-day 

fast that consisted of mixing cayenne pepper, honey and 

water....(something else???).  After drinking this mix, as much as you 

want and at least 2 (?) gallons a day, you were supposed to drink 1 

gallon of warm salt water.



Does anyone know which fast I am referring to and the proportional 

amounts as well as the actual regimen?



I really want to get a hold of the proper elements before I try it....

any help is greatly appreciated!!!



Cheers. Thanks.



Melissa





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 19:18:39 GMT



In article <4660bv$i6e@madison.tdsnet.com>,

   "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com> wrote:



>While I lived in Santa Fe I had a number of friends who went on three-day 

>fast that consisted of mixing cayenne pepper, honey and 

>water....(something else???).  After drinking this mix, as much as you 

>want and at least 2 (?) gallons a day, you were supposed to drink 1 

>gallon of warm salt water.



Melissa - 

  Whatever it is SUPPOSED to do, you can anticipate screwing up youe 

electrolyte balance with this, and the GALLON of warm salt water will

not be friendly to your intestines.



  What is the purpose of this regimen, besides making you weak and

nauseated?



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:19:45 GMT



It is supposed to cleanse your system and get rid of impurities.  As 

well, the people that did it felt really good afterwards, supposedly.

As I have not tried it yet, I don't really know.



Thanks for the advice.



Meliss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu>

Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:59:11 GMT



the other ingredient is fresh squeezed lemons. there was an article in 

the Oct. (or Sept.) issue of Details magazine on this fast. personally, 

i havent tried this yet but the article was positive.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: peat@bga.com (peter J. Farley)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 01:42:00 GMT



Erika Pfleger (Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu) wrote:

: the other ingredient is fresh squeezed lemons. there was an article in 

: the Oct. (or Sept.) issue of Details magazine on this fast. personally, 

: i havent tried this yet but the article was positive.



the recipe im familiar with is:



12 oz cold water

juice from one med. lemon

1 tablespoon of blackstrap molasses

dash or two of powdered cayenne.



drink 3-4 times daily for no more than 3 days....



tastes bad but will flush you out and make you feel refreshed.



best done over a weekend where you don't have to do much b/c there is a 

big 10-12 hr. energy lag after 24 hrs.  YMMV. after this hump, i feel great.



pete



p.s. please don't use fasting as a cover for a possible eating disorder.  

Extended fasts can be dangerous so please take care.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cayenne, honey & water FAST (?)

From: cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca (CB Leek)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:17:02 GMT



"melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com> wrote:



>While I lived in Santa Fe I had a number of friends who went on three-day 

>fast that consisted of mixing cayenne pepper, honey and 

>water....(something else???).  After drinking this mix, as much as you 

>want and at least 2 (?) gallons a day, you were supposed to drink 1 

>gallon of warm salt water.



*WHY* did they go on this fast?  What were the benefits?



--

*** Conserve Energy: Laughter is easier than Anger!

*** cleek@terra.nlnet.nf.ca, Goose Bay, Labrador





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: VALARIAN ROOT - ODOR

From: ELAINE.LOVELESS@506.ima.infomail.com (ELAINE LOVELESS)

Date: 19 Oct 95 23:17:00 



On 18 Oct 95 07:15pm, laidbak@ibm.net wrote to All:



 l> From: laidbak@ibm.net

 l> Date: 19 Oct 1995 00:15:16 GMT



 l> I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried 

 l> it, but I'm

 l> having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the 

 l> bottle the smell almost made me gag. My wife was raised on a farm and 

 l> she swears that it smelled exactly like cow manure (the pills were brown 

 l> to top it off). I am not familiar with Valarian root, so i don't know if 

 l> this is how it normally smells or if theses pills were bad. Anyway, I 

 l> threw the pills out, I don't care how badly I need sleep, I can't take 

 l> anything that smells that bad !!! 



 l> Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  



Sure is!  But it will help you sleep.  You might try a tea with honey in

it.  I use Valarian Root in a tea I make for arthritis and bursitis,

works like a charm. 





 

 



ttyl

 Elaine



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE: VALARIAN ROOT - ODOR

From: griztotm@pacificrim.net

Date: 22 Oct 1995 00:19:13 GMT



  l> From: laidbak@ibm.net

>   l> Date: 19 Oct 1995 00:15:16 GMT

>  

>   l> I bought a bottle of valarian root pills the other day (I've never tried 

>   l> it, but I'm

>   l> having trouble sleeping since I quit smoking), and when I opened the 

>   l> bottle the smell almost made me gag. <snip>



> Anyway, I 

>   l> threw the pills out, I don't care how badly I need sleep, I can't take 

>   l> anything that smells that bad !!! 

>  

>   l> Does anyone know if this is normal for Valarian root ???  





Good grief! I've been using Valerian Root for over a year and love it. I never

pay attention to the SMELL. It helps me sleep better than anything else. I

buy it bulk, grind it and put it into capsules. I also use the extract whenever

I am especially "wound up" and know I'll have a tough time sleeping. If the

smell bothers you, don't breathe it in...just pop them in your mouth and swallow

them.  I would  certainly never let it deter me from a getting a decent night's 

sleep....



GRIZ





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal relief for Arthritis?

From: Mafeb@aol.com (Melissa)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 20:38:42 GMT



I have an unusual syndrome called Spodeloarthropothy. Basically, it

hurts like arthritis, and acts like arthritis, but doesn't show up on

arthritis tests or respond to treatment. After going the route of

prescriptions, biofeedback, physical therapy and massage, I'm

interested in herbal relaxants. This mostly affects my upper back,

shoulders, and neck, which is beginning to result in frequent migraines

from the neck pain.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal relief for Arthritis?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 21:08:28 GMT



In article <466d0i$crl@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, Mafeb@aol.com (Melissa) wrote:



>I have an unusual syndrome called Spodeloarthropothy. Basically, it

>hurts like arthritis, and acts like arthritis, but doesn't show up on

>arthritis tests or respond to treatment. After going the route of

>prescriptions, biofeedback, physical therapy and massage, I'm

>interested in herbal relaxants. This mostly affects my upper back,

>shoulders, and neck, which is beginning to result in frequent migraines

>from the neck pain.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.



It's more likely a nasty tension headache from the tight muscles.



Try hot packs to the affected area, and maybe small doses of valerian

to make you drowsy.  Most of the really relaxing herbs are very

toxic, but you might be able to find dilute tinctures of belladonna

and try that.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal relief for Arthritis?

From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:18:54 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <466d0i$crl@chaos.dac.neu.edu>, Mafeb@aol.com (Melissa) wrote:



>>I have an unusual syndrome called Spodeloarthropothy. Basically, it

>>hurts like arthritis,



Have you tried BVT (Bee Venom Therpy)?  A lot of MS stricken people

are using it and its supposed to be good for arthritis too.    Just a

thought.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal relief for Arthritis?

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 19:34:06 GMT



Mafeb@aol.com (Melissa) wrote:

>I have an unusual syndrome called Spodeloarthropothy. Basically, it

>hurts like arthritis, and acts like arthritis, but doesn't show up on

>arthritis tests or respond to treatment. After going the route of

>prescriptions, biofeedback, physical therapy and massage, I'm

>interested in herbal relaxants. This mostly affects my upper back,

>shoulders, and neck, which is beginning to result in frequent migraines

>from the neck pain.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.





I believe Devil's Claw is supposed to be good for arthritis.  It might be 

worth checking into.



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: handmade Soaps, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oils - andytxt.txt [1/1]

From: Rachel Mast <rm9@evansville.edu>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:01:45 -0500



On 19 Oct 1995, Soaplady wrote:



> Hi I make handmade Herbal and Goat milk soap, Bathsalts, Bath & Body oils and 

more.

> All my products are 100 % natural and CHEMICAL FREE.

> For a brochure please e-mail your mailing address to woody@epix.net

> Thank you

> Soaplady

> COUNTRY HERBALS by Andrea

> 

> 

I'm interested!!!

        address:

                        Rachel Mast

                        1225 s. 30 th St.

                        South Bend, IN 46615

                                

                        Thanks!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: QUESTION : ECHINACEA AND GOLDEN SEAL

From: sgajare@corp.hp.com (Sanjay Gajare)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:22:05 GMT



hi,

   Is there any place where I could buy echenacea and golden seal

   through mail order. I buy this from a health food store one

   bottle at a time in liquid form and that turns out to be

   not so cheap, especially during the winter.



   I would appreciate if any one who knows of a mail order source,

   could let me know about it.



   -- sanjay



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sumac tea

From: aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us

Date: 19 Oct 1995 22:55:11 GMT



Has anyone tried or have experience with sumac tea? One of my relatives mentione

d it but didn't have details on it.

Thanks

Andrea



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sumac tea

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 12:39:57 GMT



Good stuff, sumac. We used to make lemonade out of it when I was a kid-- 

pick the red cones of fruit(if it's not red sumac, dont eat it, it's 

poisonous!) and fill a pitcher with them, then add water and shake. Take 

out the fruits, and add sugar-- Instant pink lemonade. Some people filter 

out the red hairs because they find them irritating-- I'd imagine you 

could use a coffee filter for this. Never made sumac tea, but you could 

probably heat a big pot of water and add sumac, steep it for a good while 

and strain as above. Have fun!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sumac tea

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 19:35:40 GMT



aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us wrote:

>Has anyone tried or have experience with sumac tea? One of my relatives mention

ed it but didn't have details on it.



This is the way we make it.  When the berries are red we pick them and 

put them in a bucket of ice water.  Let it sit for most of the day.  You 

may find you want to mix it with some mint.  Try it in different ways.



Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sumac tea

From: gatherer@walrus.com (frank)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 22:53:29 GMT



In article <466l0g$2a9@condor.ic.net>, aspaffor@northland.lib.mi.us says...

>

>Has anyone tried or have experience with sumac tea? One of my relatives 

mentioned it but didn't have details on it.

>Thanks

>Andrea

All the red sumacs indigenous to the Northeast , including winged dwarf and 

staghorn have been enjoyed by me and my family. I like to pick the berries and 

roll them around my mouth. You gather the berries (make sure it's from an 

abundant source, since many animals depend upon it for winter sustenance), 

immerse the seed heads in cold water, and rub them between your hands, then 

you can filter through a cheesecloth and add sugar. Start with very weak tea 

and work your way up, in case of allergy, since sumac is a 

Rhus.



frank



coming up: my virtual plantwalk http://www.walrus.com/~gatherer/home.txt.html





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: male infertility

From: lpaushter@aol.com (LPaushter)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 19:32:07 -0400



Does anyone have any information on herbal remidies for poor sperm

motility?  This is our diagnosis, and I, the female, would rather try

beefing up the sperm before in vitro fertilization.



Thanks for your assistance.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: 1paushter@aol.com

Subject: Re: male infertility

From: someone@qut.edu.au (somebody)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 06:39:43 GMT



In article <466n5n$gug@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   lpaushter@aol.com (LPaushter) wrote:

>Does anyone have any information on herbal remidies for poor sperm

>motility?  This is our diagnosis, and I, the female, would rather 

try

>beefing up the sperm before in vitro fertilization.

>

>Thanks for your assistance.



Why not try eating  onions. It increases testosterone levels.



Good luck.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: someone@qut.edu.au

Subject: Re: male infertility

From: tempie nichols <tempie@netplus.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:18:10 GMT



See Michael T. Murray,ND's book MALE SEXUAL VITALITY.  He referrs to the 

use of two amino acids l-arginine (4 grams per day) and l-carnitine (1000 

mgs per day).  He also recommends vitamin c & other anti-oxidents, 

essential fatty acids, zinc, vitamin B12.  Hasn't worked for us yet, but 

we're enjoying the attempts!  If you can't find the books or products, 

let me know.  We own a natural foods store in Oklahoma City.  

tempie@netplus.net





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 19:26:50 -0700





Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

cases):

 

"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

 

(From me -- thanks again to everyone who sent me responses about natural

stimulants).

 

Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 09:12:11 GMT



On 19 Oct 1995 19:26:50 -0700, ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew

John Brewer) wrote:



>

>Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

>cases):

> 

>"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

>that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

>no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

>appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

>these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

> 

>(From me -- thanks again to everyone who sent me responses about natural

>stimulants).

> 

>Thanks.

>

>

There could be a lot of reasons for this, it could just be your body's

normal way of dealing with the extra energy that is needed to digest

your food.  Most people don't realize it, but after a meal a large

portion of your body's energy is just used up digesting it.  I

remember one time where I ate a cupcake and then went out to shovel

snow.  I woke up face down in the snow about 5 mintues later.  The

energy demand for my digestive tract, overrode the energy demand for

my brain and I just blacked out. (This happened way back when I was a

teenager and hasn't happened since though.)  But up until the last 2

years, I was battling Hepatitis-B for 12 years, and no matter what I

ate, I'd have to lay down and pass out for about 2 to 3 hours.  I had

just so little energy to portion out, that my system demanded it all

for just one thing at a time.  I could either be conscious OR digest

food, but not both.  I'm not saying that your friend has a disease,

but most likely a very low metabolism (we're all different).  One

thing I found that helped me to digest starchy foods (any starchy

meals and I was sure to pass out fast) is that I learned to add a

small amount of brown sugar or honey into the food I was preparing.

That way my body could grab some extra fuel right out of the food it

was digesting instead of robbing my body of the little reserves I had.





You might also try just eating your meal in reverse order too. From a

body's point of view, we eat our meals wrong.  You should eat

something sweet first to give you that little boost of energy and

finish off your meal with some roughage -- your salad, to help clean

your system after the digested food.  Makes sense, too much sense,

probably why nobody eats their meals this way.  And with the problem

of weight concerns in our country... why would killing your appetite

with some desert first be such a bad thing? Yup, makes too much sense

it does.  That won't do at all. Not in this* country anyways. :) 



(That reminds me, here's adieter's hint: before going out for the jog,

or bike ride, or aerobics class, eat a small candy bar or small bag of

yogurt covered raisins or something.  You need to throw a little

gas/sugar on the green-wood to get the fire going.  You'll want to go

five times as far or as long in your exercises. When I tried losing

weight, I was able to bike about 2 miles before giving up.  When I

tried this idea, I was able to bike for 15 miles and feel refreshed

when I got home. I ended up losing 85 lbs. this way.)



If the fatigue happens worse after certain types of meals, you could

be dealing with some form of alergy too.  Wheat has always seemed to

drag me down, but it's mostly all I can afford for meals most times.

Watch for patterns on kinds of food to fatigue levels, and try getting

some raw sugar into your system when eating.



Yeah, I've rambled on here.... but I'm bored tonight...:)





Ya know? Something I've been wondering... I have a feeling this idea

of the "balanced meal" is a bunch of horse-puckey.  I mean, we evolved

to be hunter/gatherers right?  And most animals that I know of don't

pick berries off of one bush, then go get a few greens, and then grab

a mouse and then put them on their plate in front of them. No, we

evolved to eat what was in season and ate massive quantities of

whatever one item was available at the time of the year or

circumstances. Surely we could not have evolved genetically all that

much in the last 3-5000 years (that's a VERY short time in

evolutionary terms).  Could we be overtaxing our digestive systems by

feeding it too many kinds of food at one time?  (Granted, we live much

longer than we used to, but I sincerely doubt it is due to having your

mashed-tatoes alongside your peas/carrots/medley and your bacon

covered meat patty in a wheat bun while you drink a glass of your

cow's mammary-gland excretion . Life is just less harsh is all. With

more cures for what ails you.)



Wouldn't it be easier for your digestive tract to deal with, say, just

meat one day, and then just veggies the next, and so forth?  I wonder

if we're not missing some of the trace elements out of our food

because we give our systems too many molecules to sort out with each

meal..... just some thoughts.  I've been sort of eating the "one item"

kind of meals this year (for convenience) and I don't know if it's

helping or not, but it sure hasn't hurt at all.  It just seems more

natural to be eating this way I guess.  Today I graze in the wheat

field, Tomorrow I'll be hitting the berry patch, and if it's a very

good year for berries, I may be there for a few days.  What month do I

eat all those spawning salmon again? I hope I get there in time. Are

mice available all year round? :)  That sort of idea...  



Seems to me, I remember reading somewhere that the only culture that

does not suffer from tooth decay or most cancers are the Eskimos, and

all they eat most all of the time is fish, meat, and blubber, they

have little to no greens, very little fruit (occasional berries), no

dairy products, etc..  Why are they so healthy?  I say "Screw the well

balanced meal!"  It's another myth -- or mythtake as far as I'm

concerned. Perhaps a plot, yeah -- that's it!  A plot! By the farmers

and ranchers to get rich is all (or maybe to keep the medical

community in business with all the ill's we've got today). :)



(btw: Did you know that idea of the minimum daily requirements that

are listed on every item in our grocery stores came from some patients

in a mental institution?  They were paranoid about what the asylum

owners were feeding them (justifiably so), back in the earlier part of

this century. They initiated and provided most of the reasearch that

led to the numbers that are on all the boxes and bags today. True

story.  I don't know if I'd trust those numbers, but then, I've met

some VERY smart crazy poeple, some are my friends even today. :)



(are YOU bored now?  I like to share it. :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: Ocotillo@rtd.com (ocotillo)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:39:43 GMT



In article <46adhj$e4n@blackice.winternet.com>, camel@winternet.com wrote:



> On 19 Oct 1995 19:26:50 -0700, ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew

> John Brewer) wrote:

> 

> >

> >Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

> >cases):

> > 

> >"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

> >that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

> >no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

> >appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

> >these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

> > 

> >(From me -- thanks again to everyone who sent me responses about natural

> >stimulants).

> > 

> >Thanks.

> >

> >

I had trouble with this too.  I found that it was really allergy related. 

If I eat eggs, I'm out of it for a few hours.  I also used a anti-candida

diet which was very helpful.  Now I stay away from all processes foods and

eat the things that I have learned through elimination help to energize

me.  It was what I was eating at lunch that made me tired 20 minutes after

lunch. 

 

I also find that I am helped by some vitamins and herbs that cleaned out

my sluggish system and liquid chlorophyll.



Hope this helps, Pat



-- 

GoodHealth - Herbal and Homeopathic products

http://ocotillo.rtd.com

Pat Jaksha

520-624-4635

Ocotillo@rtd.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: "John L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 19:59:35 GMT



ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:

>

>Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

>cases):

> 

>"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

>that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

>no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

>appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

>these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

> 

>(From me -- thanks again to everyone who sent me responses about natural

>stimulants).

> 

>Thanks.

>

>

You may be carbohydrate sensitive - try eating less than 40g of carbos a 

day for a few days, and see what happens. If this helps, there is a book 

called 'Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution' by Robert Atkins that may be of 

futher help. Good luck!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: cokenias@mtn-palace.com (Damon Cokenias)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:53:22 -0700



In article <46bjf7$l3l@tofu.alt.net>, "John L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

wrote:



> ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:

> >

> >Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

> >cases):

> > 

> >"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

> >that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

> >no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

> >appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

> >these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"



Interesting to hear that this happens to other people.  This phenemenon

has been increasing in frequency in my life over the past year and the

best I've been able to come up with is that I have extreme reactions to

salt.  I actually had an appointment with a western doctor this fall and

she had no suggestion for me whatsoever, but if I eat some of my friend's

popcorn at the movies I can't drive home for the sleepiness so I know

something is going on.  Please post any viable explanations you come

across (besides "well, maybe you're to something" or "maybe you should eat

smaller meals...")



Thanks,

Elizabeth Wylie

ewylie@mtn-palace.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:31:28 -0500



I find that the more carbos I eat the worse the problem is.  Sometimes it 

is so bad that I have to fight sleep at my desk in the afternoon.  



IF I eat high protien or even high fat and keep the carbs down it isn't 

a problem.....just a suggestion.  Being on a weight loss dies isn't going 

to help, because they are almost always high in carbs.  Sugar and 

caffiene don't help.



I'd like to know what others have experienced with different types of 

meals - especially at mid-day.



Cissy



On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Damon Cokenias wrote:



> In article <46bjf7$l3l@tofu.alt.net>, "John L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

> wrote:

> 

> > ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:

> > >

> > >Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

> > >cases):

> > > 

> > >"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the poi

nt

> > >that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

> > >no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

> > >appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

> > >these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

> 

> Interesting to hear that this happens to other people.  This phenemenon

> has been increasing in frequency in my life over the past year and the

> best I've been able to come up with is that I have extreme reactions to

> salt.  I actually had an appointment with a western doctor this fall and

> she had no suggestion for me whatsoever, but if I eat some of my friend's

> popcorn at the movies I can't drive home for the sleepiness so I know

> something is going on.  Please post any viable explanations you come

> across (besides "well, maybe you're to something" or "maybe you should eat

> smaller meals...")

> 

> Thanks,

> Elizabeth Wylie

> ewylie@mtn-palace.com

> 

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> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: khb@gammara.Eng.Sun.COM (Keith Bierman fpgoup)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 22:30:35 GMT





In article <cokenias-2510952253220001@coyote.mtn-palace.com> cokenias@mtn-palace

.com (Damon Cokenias) writes:



...  has been increasing in frequency in my life over the past year and the

   best I've been able to come up with is that I have extreme reactions to

   salt.  I actually had an appointment with a western doctor this fall and

   she had no suggestion for me whatsoever, but if I eat some of my friend's

   popcorn at the movies I can't drive home for the sleepiness so I know

   something is going on.  Please post any viable explanations you come

   across (besides "well, maybe you're to something" or "maybe you should eat

   smaller meals...")



There is a book "the carbohydrate addicts diet" (or words to that

effect). It contains a theory, lots of example cases, a simple to self

administer test, and a detailed diet. Available in Barnes and Noble.



The symptoms described in this thread seem to be consistent with what

they describe in their clinical setting.



The diet, in a nutshell, involves virtually zero carbohydrates except

for one meal which must last 60m or less (but you can eat whatever you

like for those sixty minutes).



It is, of course, more complicated than that. I know people who claim

it has changed their lives for the better. I haven't given it a

rigorous twirl myself.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:11:05 GMT



> ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:

> >

> >Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

> >cases):

> > 

> >"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the point

> >that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

> >no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

> >appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

> >these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"



<snip>



The reason that people tend to feel fatigued after a meal is that your 

body sends lots of little sleep messengers to the brain when your 

digestive track gets moving. Its purpose in doing so is to keep you 

reasonably quiet so that it can focus its energy on digestion for awhile. 

So if your friend is experiencing extreme sleepiness after eating, it may 

be that his body tends to react more strongly to the presence of food in 

his system than most of us do. Maybe a cup of coffee after dinner would 

help him stay alert? Caffeine also increases bowel motility(as anyone 

who's had a few too many espressos can testify to), so it might speed up 

the digestion process some, too. 

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:28:34 -0500



Sorry Liz, but in my case your explanation doesn't apply.  It only 

happens after lunch at mid-day.  I eat a good breakfast - cereal fruit 

and skim milk and 2 cups of coffee after...no fatigue.  Dinner is usually 

light - salad, soup, pasta, bread, little meat (red or otherwise) both 

breakfast and dinner are high carbs.  If I eat the same high carbs at 

lunch - pasta, etc,I get so sleep I find myself struggling to keep awake 

at my desk and terminal....being busy does not keep it from happening and 

it only happens after lunch. No amount of coffee helps.



However, if I stick to high protein, no problem.  



Cissy



On 26 Oct 1995, Liz Jones wrote:



> > ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:

> > >

> > >Posting this for a friend (though this also applies to me as well in some

> > >cases):

> > > 

> > >"Like most people, I feel rather fatigued and tired after eating to the poi

nt

> > >that I can't do anything really substantial for a few hours.  This occurs

> > >no matter how heavy or light a meal I consume (my blood sugar levels

> > >appear to be normal).  Can anyone out there suggest some sort of remedy to

> > >these symptoms or the problem itself?  Why is this happening?"

> 

> <snip>

> 

> The reason that people tend to feel fatigued after a meal is that your 

> body sends lots of little sleep messengers to the brain when your 

> digestive track gets moving. Its purpose in doing so is to keep you 

> reasonably quiet so that it can focus its energy on digestion for awhile. 

> So if your friend is experiencing extreme sleepiness after eating, it may 

> be that his body tends to react more strongly to the presence of food in 

> his system than most of us do. Maybe a cup of coffee after dinner would 

> help him stay alert? Caffeine also increases bowel motility(as anyone 

> who's had a few too many espressos can testify to), so it might speed up 

> the digestion process some, too. 

> Liz

> 

> 

> 











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fatigue/Sleepiness after Eating

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 14:29:16 GMT



"Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:

>Sorry Liz, but in my case your explanation doesn't apply.  It only 

>happens after lunch at mid-day.  

<snip>

If I eat the same high carbs at 

>lunch - pasta, etc,I get so sleep I find myself struggling to keep awake 

>at my desk and terminal....being busy does not keep it from happening >and it o

nly happens after lunch. No amount of coffee helps.

>

>However, if I stick to high protein, no problem.  

>

>Cissy

>

Yeah-- protein (minus fat) is another great way to wake yourself up. 

Protein doesn't send the little sleep messengers-- in fact, it increases 

your alertness. So having lots of protein before you go to bed is 

probably a bad idea, too. It does seem rather odd that the caffeine works 

in the morning and not at lunch, though. I wonder why.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Women in Transition Video

From: jimw363288@aol.com (JimW363288)

Date: 19 Oct 1995 23:10:10 -0400



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Thanks...Jim Waters



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: willows

From: randyw@primenet.com (Liz and Kimberly)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 03:21:53 GMT



Does anyone out there know the differences between the Salix alba and the 

Salix caprea? Salix caprea is in a tea for gout  and Lust's explanation of the 

two willows are close. Does antone know how interchangable these species are? 

Does anyone know where to get Salix caprea. We have local and mail-order 

sources for Salix alba.



                                                Thanks in advance,

                                                Liz and Kimberly



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: randyw@primenet.com

Subject: Re: willows

From: Richard Clarke <rjclarke@gwent.ac.uk>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:48:20 GMT



randyw@primenet.com (Liz and Kimberly) wrote:

>Does anyone out there know the differences between the Salix alba and the 

>Salix caprea? Salix caprea is in a tea for gout  and Lust's explanation of the 

>two willows are close. Does antone know how interchangable these species are? 

>Does anyone know where to get Salix caprea. We have local and mail-order 

>sources for Salix alba.

>

>                                               Thanks in advance,

>                                               Liz and Kimberly



Salix caprea is also known as goat-willow.I have one in my garden. It 

took me ages to work out what it was as it looks very un-willow like, 

having as it does broad tapering leaves.



I do not know salix alba but I am sure it would be substantially diferent 

from s.caprea



N.B. I didnt plant s.caprea it was there when I arrived. It appears to 

grow constantly and is very big and bushy. It is about 15ft and does not 

have a distinct trunk yet. Instead it appears to have the same habit as a 

fig or rhododendron.



Richard Clarke



Wales UK









From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal remdies for cats

From: wizard@ramhb.co.nz

Date: 20 Oct 1995 04:41:59 GMT



Dear Nella:



If you should receive any information on herbal remedies for cats would you be s

o kind as to email me??

thanks



--------------------------------------------

Wizard John                wizard@ramhb.co.nz

R D 4

Hastings  NZ               Ph. 64 6 8568 183

--------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? menstrual cramps

From: Pam Stricker <pjs@cts.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:25:29 -0700



Hi John and Kerry.



I have suffered from very painful menstrual cramps for nearly 20 years. 

What seems to have helped the most is diet and massage and also 

acupuncture. Dr. Susan Lark wrote a book on self help for cramps (and 

also a good book on endometriosis). In it she explains how the hormone 

family prostaglandins work. The A type (altho I may have the different 

sections confused) cause painful cramps via smooth muscle contraction 

and are produced by meat and dairy products. Prostaglandin type B which 

actually help prevent cramping are found in fish and soy products. She 

offers dietary , vitamin and herb advice in her book. Anyway I have not 

followed her recommendations faithfully but I do notice a difference 

when I have dairy and meat as compared to fish or all veggie. Another 

thing that has been helpful to me is the myofacial release of the poas 

muscle (which is located in lower abdomen sort of by ovaries). This is 

really helpful right before the period begins. I think in my case it 

helps increase blood flow and reduce the stress I seem to carry there. 

I went to a massage therapist for that. Anyway while these things have 

not completely eliminated my cramps I can live on less Anaprox which I 

took in very large doses to sort of function during those couple days 

each month. Wishing you luck and pain free days.

Pam.

PS I usally go to the massage therapist a few days before the `big day' 

or therabouts. I have done this three times with a missed one after two 

months of massage and I really noticed more pain. What amazed me the most 

about the diet was that I had asked doctors for years about why I had the 

se cramps and they essentialy patted me on the head and said here take 

this drug. I felt I had no real choice the pain was just too unbearable.

 

On 16 Oct 1995, John E. Verin wrote:



> My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

> cramps.

> Thanks in advance for your replys.

> 

> Happy herbaling,

> John

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? menstrual cramps

From: Shannon Lee <71124.3512@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 14:18:30 GMT



I've also suffered from severe cramps, and I've found that raspberry

leaf tea really works wonders!  It's best to drink it as hot as 

possible.



Be sure to get real raspberry leaves--some commercial "raspberry" 

teas only contain the fruit or flavorings.



I'm sure your girlfriend would also appreciate your giving her a 

lower-back and abdomen massage!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? menstrual cramps

From: bk680@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Voege)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:26:25 GMT



Pam Stricker (pjs@cts.com) writes:

> Hi John and Kerry.

> 

> I have suffered from very painful menstrual cramps for nearly 20 years. 

> What seems to have helped the most is diet and massage and also 

> acupuncture. Dr. Susan Lark wrote a book on self help for cramps (and 

> also a good book on endometriosis). In it she explains how the hormone 

> family prostaglandins work. The A type (altho I may have the different 

> sections confused) cause painful cramps via smooth muscle contraction 

> and are produced by meat and dairy products. Prostaglandin type B which 

> actually help prevent cramping are found in fish and soy products. She 

> offers dietary , vitamin and herb advice in her book. Anyway I have not 

> followed her recommendations faithfully but I do notice a difference 

> when I have dairy and meat as compared to fish or all veggie. Another 

> thing that has been helpful to me is the myofacial release of the poas 

> muscle (which is located in lower abdomen sort of by ovaries). This is 

> really helpful right before the period begins. I think in my case it 

> helps increase blood flow and reduce the stress I seem to carry there. 

> I went to a massage therapist for that. Anyway while these things have 

> not completely eliminated my cramps I can live on less Anaprox which I 

> took in very large doses to sort of function during those couple days 

> each month. Wishing you luck and pain free days.

> Pam.

> PS I usally go to the massage therapist a few days before the `big day' 

> or therabouts. I have done this three times with a missed one after two 

> months of massage and I really noticed more pain. What amazed me the most 

> about the diet was that I had asked doctors for years about why I had the 

> se cramps and they essentialy patted me on the head and said here take 

> this drug. I felt I had no real choice the pain was just too unbearable.

>  

> On 16 Oct 1995, John E. Verin wrote:

> 

>> My friend Kerry would like to know about herbal relief for menstrual

>> cramps.

>> Thanks in advance for your replys.

>> 

>> Happy herbaling,

>> John

>> 

______

I've found that taking a teaspoon of cold presseed oil on a daily basis

saves me a lot of pain come my cycle.  It's something about the fat in the

oil that the body needs.  I'm not really certain how it works, I just know

that it does for me.  I've also cut back on things that increase stress

(caffeine, sugar ...).



Good luck, Chris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: E'ola

From: bebrjec@business.utah.edu (Jan Cripsin-Little)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:39:33



Recently my sister began taking a product called E'ola at the suggestion of 

her child's babysitter after complaining about feeling tired and rundown.  

According to the babysitter, E'ola supposedly ```speeds up the metabolism 

with the added benefit of weight loss.''  Since I have a very large herb 

garden which, at in my sister's opinion makes me as expert :{{, my sister 

asked me what I knew about E'ola.  Apparently the prescribed product must be 

taken in a two-part routine.  The product in the first bottle is called ``

Liquithin'', the product in the second bottle is called AMP II.  One of the 

products (can't recall which one) has as its primary ingredient Ma Huang and 

chloride.  The other contains chromium.  The dosage is 5-15 drops of each 

product taken daily.  My sister has been taking this for five days and told 

me last night that since she started taking E'ola, she has much increased 

her energy level.  However, she is also concerned because she forgot to 

take it one day and felt so horribly tired that she left work and went home 

to sleep.  



My question is:  What the hell is this stuff?  Is it addicting?  My sister 

likes the increased energy, but she is very upset over her experience.  Any 

and all information would be appreciated.



Thanks



Jan C-L. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: E'ola

From: mkrauss@bgnet.bgsu.edu (M. David Krauss)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:02:02 GMT



>her energy level.  However, she is also concerned because she forgot

to 

>take it one day and felt so horribly tired that she left work and

went home 

>to sleep.  



>My question is:  What the hell is this stuff?  Is it addicting?  My

sister 

>likes the increased energy, but she is very upset over her

experience.  Any 

>and all information would be appreciated.



>Thanks



>Jan C-L. 



Jan,



First off, I don't know anything about E'ola, its properties, or uses,

other then what I read in your message. However, I can tell you to

advise your sister to Discontinue using it. You ask if it is

addictive. Since you say your sister experienced exhaustion after

skipping it just once, it seems that it must be. If she doesn't suffer

any withdrawal problems, then perhaps she might -- *Cautiously* -- try

it again.

Remember that the essential effect of 'Uppers' is to increase

metabolism, exactly what you said e'ola is claimed to do.

Any chemical that you don't have proper information on should be

treated Very carefully.



-M. David





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: mkrauss@bgnet.bgsu.edu

Subject: Re: E'ola

From: Cathy LeFevre <clefevre@tcd.net>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 23:43:43 GMT



I have used E'Ola products.  I didn't see the top part of the original 

message, so I don't know which product was used.  It sounds like Pro AMP 

II drops.  If this is the case, they are a concentrated form of caffiene. 

 That is where the energy comes from.  Yes they are addictive, caffiene 

is addictive.



I experienced caffiene overdose symptoms when I took those drops so I 

quit taking them.  When I quit taking them I experienced the caffiene 

withdrawl, but not quite the same as when I quit drinking coffee.



For an energy boost I would look to something like bee pollen or ginseng. 

 These seem to be a safer way to get a little energy than caffiene.



Cathy LeFevre



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bebrjec@business.utah.edu

Subject: Re: E'ola

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 18:21:53 GMT



It is very possible that the MaHuang is the culprit. It is

a very good herb for many things and many people react in

different ways. I know those that can take it with no adverse 

effects and others that have problems, they are too sensitive 

to it. There are other ways to skin the cat. Addiction I don't

think yopu need worry about that. Need more info let me know.



-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: split milk smell in carpet

From: meg@beattie.uct.ac.za (Maureen Gallon)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:01:49 GMT



Please tell me what I can use to mask or get rid of the smell of rotting 

milk in a carpet.  

grateful thanks

Maureen



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pycnogenol anyone?

From: Jim Heath <heath@iinet.net.au>

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 14:11:50 WST





                

         Ever heard of that? I'm told it's the brand

         name of an antioxidant whose active 

         ingredient is proanthoyanidine (possibly

         with a spelling error, because of my

         handwriting here.)

         

         A friend, not Net-connected, asked me

         to see what I could find out about the

         stuff.

         

         If you know anything, maybe you

         wouldn't mind emailing me -- because

         here in Perth, Australia the newsfeed is

         unreliable and about half the postings

         drop down the cracks somewhere.

         

         Thanks.

         

         Jim Heath

        



-------------------------------------

E-mail: heath@iinet.net.au

Perth, Australia

PGP fingerprint:

B3 D4 67 95 DF 49 CF 42  CF 6E 52 AD 42 9B 68 62

-------------------------------------

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)

From: Michael Buell

Date: 20 Oct 1995 13:48:31 GMT



If any one is interested there is a new web site with a lot of info about cat's 

claw (Uncaria tomentosa) and some terrific links to general alternative health i

nfo.  The URL 

is http://www.cats-claw.com.  Please let me know if you like it?  email "luv2kit

e@aol.com"  Thanks MJB :-{)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essential oils & Handcrafted Delights

From: mmhanna@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Michelle M. Hanna)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 15:09:03 GMT



Hello Everyone!  I too make handcrafted essential oil bath salts, bathing

herbs, massage & bath oils, potpourri, floral & herbal soaps, handcreams,

cleansing grains, beeswax candles, etc.  All contain natural, pure

ingredients!

I also carry a wide selection of pure aromatherapy-grade essential oils,

unblended fragrance oils, & blended perfume oils.



A new e-mail version of my catalog is now available!  If you are 

interested, just drop me a line....



I look forward to serving you!

Michelle



AN ESSENCE IN THYME

"Handcrafted Floral & Herbal Delights and Aromatherapy Supplies"

P.O. Box 158

Buffalo, NY  14216

(716) 837-2751



MMHANNA@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Unique & Hard To Find Health Products

From: "Robert Green, ND" <docgreen@magicchain.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:47:33 -0700



Hi to all,



I did a reply to a cat's claw post the other day and said I

would send a catalog of our health products, I got a lot of

request, so I though I would post the offer to the group.



The Magic Chain Health Products has been in business for over

15 years, a lot of the products we formulate and manufacture

ourselves. We carry live chlorophyll (not heated, not

preserved), digestive enzymes, colon cleansing formulas...



If anyone would like to have a catalog please send me your

mailing address on my E-mail and I will get one out to you ASAP.



In Health,





Robert Green, ND

docgreen@magicchain.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: psoriasis

From: jbreslin@pathcom.com (Jerome Breslin)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 15:57:41 GMT



Does anyone have any remedies for psoriasis? A friend of mine has it mainly on 

 his scalp but it also does appear in a small amount on his penis where a lot 

of friction aggravates the situation.



Any help would be greatly appreciated.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: joe@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Joe Slater)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 13:48:58 GMT



jbreslin@pathcom.com (Jerome Breslin) writes:



>Does anyone have any remedies for psoriasis? A friend of mine has it mainly on 

> his scalp but it also does appear in a small amount on his penis where a lot 

>of friction aggravates the situation.



I used to have psoriasis on my toes, but have had no recurrences since 

the following:



I was eating a kiwi fruit, barefoot, and my toes were itching. The skin of

the kiwi looked cool and I thought it might give some relief. It didn't,

but it changed the nature of the itching and the skin seemed smoother and

softer. I reapplied it a few times on later days and the area affected kep

diminishing and eventually disappeared. 



The skin was that of a normal kiwi fruit, or chinese gooseberry. It had 

been largely cleaned of pulp but I suppose that some might have been 

adhering to the skin. I used the inside, not the hairy outside. I have no 

idea if this was the cause or if it was a coincidental spontaneous 

remission. I also don't know how it worked, if it did. Kiwi contains 

enzymes that dissolve proteins; maybe that's connected somehow.



Good luck.



jds



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: BIRTH CONTROL PILL PRESS RELEASE 

From: vunovick@netcom.com (Varda Ullman Novick)

Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 18:07:30 GMT



Birth Control Pill Press Release 



We've been asked to post a press release called "Scientists Seek to

Avert a New 'Pill Scare.'"  This is in response to an earlier press

release by the Department of Health in London concerning the use of birth

control pills containing gestodene or desogestrel. 



You can get a copy of the release either by email or on the WWW:



email: news@cyberpulse.com

WWW: http://www.cyberpulse.com/news/



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Updated and New Web Site

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 19:39:47 GMT



UPDATED WEB PAGES!



BTW the Herbal Smoking Mixtures Booklet is now available in a 

hypertext version at 

http://www.crl.com/~robbee/smoke1.html



and the Herbal Apprenticeship Page at Herbal Hall has been updated 

(finally) to include more information, more plant lists (with uses) 

from the Pacific Northwest of the United States, more wildcrafting 

principles and class highlights.



http://www.crl.com/~robbee/apprent.html



*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

*****************************************************************************











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstrual cramps

From: Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 19:55:54 GMT



i didn't catch the original thread, but i was wondering if any one had 

any suggestion for getting rid of that a nasty case of pre-menstral lack 

of focus and concentration.  This hits me every month and it's 

incredibly frustrating not to mention inconvenient.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstrual cramps

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 20:24:11 GMT



In message ID <468usa$hg7@news.nd.edu> on 10/20/95, Erika Pfleger wrote:



: i didn't catch the original thread, but i was wondering if any one had 

: any suggestion for getting rid of that a nasty case of pre-menstral lack 

: of focus and concentration.  This hits me every month and it's 

: incredibly frustrating not to mention inconvenient.



This results from the weakening of the Digestive energy, due to the

congestion of energy preceding the flow, and improper lifestyle. It is

directly associated with Sweet cravings (the Digestive organs are associated

with that flavor, and when weak cry out for it).



Warm diet, relaxation, reasonable exercise, low stress, early bedtime.

Acupuncture and herbs are definitely helpful: Xiao Yao Wan is available

ubiquitously in Chinatowns, and is specifically for this complaint.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: menstrual cramps

From: griztotm@pacificrim.net

Date: 22 Oct 1995 22:23:46 GMT



>   Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu> writes:

>  i didn't catch the original thread, but i was wondering if any one had 

>  any suggestion for getting rid of that a nasty case of pre-menstral lack 

>  of focus and concentration.  This hits me every month and it's 

>  incredibly frustrating not to mention inconvenient.

>  



I had a severe problem with not only the above, but PMS and depression. To my

surprise, when I altered my dietary habits a bit, those problems all disappeared

. All

I did was start taking a fruit/vegetable supplement and start using an enzyme 

supplement. The reason I started those two things was concern over not eating

right...and I ended up with a big bonus of no PMS/cramping/depression! I was

using a number of herbs that I no longer use. (I still use Valerian for sleep

problems and Kelp everyday) I believe my menstrual cycle problems were from 

a lack in my food choices. (Which I have altered somewhat but not radically)



Kris





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herpanicine? has anyone tried it?

From: Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 20:04:17 GMT



Well the subject line just about says it all. I found an advertisement 

for this in a magazine and it claims to fight bacterial and viral 

infections. I don't have the ad here right now but it made some pretty 

dramatic claims.  I wondered if anyone on this list had any experience 

with this product. 



Also, one of the herbs in the product is echinacea. I know there was a 

big discussion on the list about the (real vs. fictional) disavantages 

of continued use of echinacea, but i never really got a sense of 

conclusion from the debate.  What to make of this then?



Comments?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herpanicine? has anyone tried it?

From: kcarlson@netcom.com (Kathy Carlson)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:20:57 GMT



Erika Pfleger (Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu) wrote:

: Well the subject line just about says it all. I found an advertisement 

: for this in a magazine and it claims to fight bacterial and viral 

: infections. I don't have the ad here right now but it made some pretty 

: dramatic claims.  I wondered if anyone on this list had any experience 

: with this product. 



: Also, one of the herbs in the product is echinacea. I know there was a 

: big discussion on the list about the (real vs. fictional) disavantages 

: of continued use of echinacea, but i never really got a sense of 

: conclusion from the debate.  What to make of this then?



: Comments?



Didn't catch the discussion on echinacea but have been taking Herpanacine

for 2 years (for Rosacea).  My skin improved after 3-4 months & now I can't

tell that I ever had a problem.  I changed my diet at the same time thou,

(cut out junk food, meat, alcohol) so it might be a combination of both.

I've stayed on a maintenance of 2/day with a week off every month.



Kathy



-- 

                                             kcarlson@netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fenugreek (Hilbe) as hypertension medication.

From: zviki01 (Zvi Neumark)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 20:10:09 GMT



Fenugreek is supposedly effective in reducing hypertension. I would be

grateful if anyone using fenugreek for this purpose would let me know 

what her/his experience was. Other points of interest are:

                1) Form taken: Sprouts, capsules or infusion

                2) Daily dosage



                            Many Thanks, Zvi  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs to curb smoking withdrawl?

From: Flanagin@siu.edu

Date: 20 Oct 1995 21:22:45 GMT



Thanks for looking here...I am searching for such an herb that would be

helpful in curbing the smoking withdrawls 



Please EMail me with your suggestions...server is still under test and is

not too dependable.

Thanks Again

Tim



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ginko - How to process/preserve

From: Kip Piper <mtcpub@onr.com>

Date: 20 Oct 1995 21:28:37 GMT



My mom has a ginko tree in her yard and has heard the ginko herb is good for cir

culation. Does 

anyone know how to process/preserve/dry the ginko to make the herb?  Is it the l

eaves, bark, 

etc.? What is best time of year? How to harvest? How to process? How to consume?

 What dosage? 

Enough question? I hope so. I also hope someone can help. Thanks!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Goldenseal root

From: CEMQ17A@prodigy.com (Edward Toff)

Date: 20 Oct 1995 23:14:06 GMT



Can anyone tell me a little bit about Goldenseal Root and what it is used 

for

Thank You



-

 zeeker  CEMQ17A@prodigy.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: CEMQ17A@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: Goldenseal root

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 22 Oct 1995 07:20:17 GMT



<>CEMQ17A@prodigy.com (Edward Toff) wrote:

<>Can anyone tell me a little bit about Goldenseal Root 

<>and what it is used for

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>



GOLDENSEAL .......

Chemical and Nutrient content: 

Albumin,berberine,biotin,calcium,candine,chlorine,

choline,chologenic acid,fats,hydrastine,onositol,

iron,lignin,manganese,volatile and essential oils, 

PABA,phosphorous,potassium,resin,starch,sugar,the 

B complex,vitamins A,C and E.



Actions and uses:

A bitter cure-all type of herb that strengthens the immune 

system, acts as an antibiotic, has anti-inflammatory and 

antibacterial properties, potentiates insulin and cleanses

the body. Good for colds, flu, inflammation, glandular 

swelling, gum disease, morning sickness,diabetes, hypoglycemia

and ulcers. Promotes functioning capacity of the heart, the

lymphaticand respiratory system, the liver,the spleen, the

pancreas and the colon. Good for stomach, prostrate, bladder

and vaginal disorders. Cleanses mucousmembranes, regulates

menses, improves digestion and counters infections. Also

decreases uterine bleeding, reduces blood pressure and will

stimulate the central nervous system. When combined with 

Gota Kola goldenseal acts a brain tonic.

Source..."Prescription for Nutritional Healing" (page 53)

by James Balch,MD and Phyllis Balch,CNC



ONE LIFE Melatonin based in Echinacea and Goldenseal

 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Goldenseal root

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 22 Oct 1995 07:37:33 GMT



Goldenseal is a bitter, cure-all type herb that strengthens the 

immune system, acts as an antibiotic, has anti-inflammatory and

anti-bacterial properties, potentiates insulin and cleanses the 

body. Good for cold, flu, inflammation, glandular swelling, gum

disease, morning sickness, diabetes, hypoglycemia and ulcers.

Promotes functioning capacity of the heart, the lymphatic and

respiratory system, the liver, the spleen, the pancreas and the

colon. Good for stomach, prostate, bladder and vaginal disorders.

Cleanses mucous membranes, regulates menses, improves digestion

and counters infection. Also decreases uterine bleeding, reduces

blood pressure and stimulates the central nervous system.





-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Goldenseal root

From: steffan@mbnet.mb.ca (Cindi Steffan)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:39:35



I take goldenseal as a preventive measure when I feel something coming on.  I 

only take it for a few days (6 capsules/day) because I read that it is not 

recommended to use for an extended period of time.  What are your 

thoughts/experience?  



Cindi S.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:  Goldenseal root

From: "melissa.abraham" <melissa.abraham@teldta.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:10:39 GMT



I also heard that something about its immune-boosting properties are not 

good to take for extended periods because then they don't work as 

effectively later.



I take it with echinachea when I feel the slightest cold coming on.  It 

is the only mixture I have ever found that gets rid of a cold quickly!



Meliss





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: immunity boosting

From: jjjensen@wheel.ucdavis.edu (Jeff Jensen)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 01:48:09 GMT



My son has had pneumonia, an ear infection and an eye infection this last 

week (2.5 yrs. old).  What can we do to boost his immune system?



jjj



--

******************************************************************************



Jeff Jensen                     "Clothes make the man.  A naked man

Davis Community Network         has very little influence."

Davis, California                       -- Mark Twain



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: immunity boosting

From: bk680@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Voege)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:32:30 GMT





Jeff Jensen (jjjensen@wheel.ucdavis.edu) writes:

> My son has had pneumonia, an ear infection and an eye infection this last 

> week (2.5 yrs. old).  What can we do to boost his immune system?

> 

> jjj

> 

I know very little about administering to children.  I think your best

bet would be to go to a naturopathist or homeopathist.  They are lilsted

in the phone book.  I asked my General Physician for a referal and

received a good one.

If you need more info, feel free to email me.

Chris



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Purple leaves on Catnip

From: shane@cais.com

Date: 21 Oct 1995 03:09:38 GMT



   I have two (2) catnip plants the older plant has purple leaves on it is this 

natural??? Please

 E-mail me!! Thanx!!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scottish Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa)

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:07:19 +0100



Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) sounds like the ideal herbal remedy

for my condition. 



Are there any sources of the basic herbal material?



Do I really have to buy it from the president of an international 

company in capsule, tincture, plastic, value-added form?



Can I buy the living plant or seeds and grow it in the central 

highlands of Scotland?



Scottish Cat's Claw seems a much more convenient option.

Less expensive too!



 -- 

Tony Halmarack





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sinus congestion/infection

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 14:17:41 GMT



Looking for sinus congestion/infection/headache recommendations.  I am 

using steam inhalations with peppermint oil which helps, but looking for 

other thoughts.  Garlic?  Goldenseal?



What about for headache (frontal/occipital)?



Thanks,



Gary





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sinus congestion/infection

From: gravel@serv.net (Malcolm Brand)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:21:11 GMT



Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net> wrote:



>Looking for sinus congestion/infection/headache recommendations.  I am 

>using steam inhalations with peppermint oil which helps, but looking for 

>other thoughts.  Garlic?  Goldenseal?



>What about for headache (frontal/occipital)?



>Thanks,



>Gary



Stinging Nettles in tea or tincture form has helped several of my

friends as has accupuncture

Gravelvoice Audio Services





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Medicinal Herbs FAQ

From: shane@cais.com

Date: 21 Oct 1995 16:11:57 GMT



  Could somebody please send me all parts of the Medicinal Herbs faq???? I would

 appreciate

 it greatly!! Thanx!!! My E-mail address is : shane@cais.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Frontier Magazine

From: Swami Virato <73072.2140@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 18:37:56 GMT



The winter issue of New Frontier will feature herbs and 

mushrooms, anyone interested should contact us.  Our site is at 

http://www.consciousnet.com/newfrontier  and our print magazine 

has been publishing for 16 years (over 6 million copies printed!) 

 Send material to PO Box 17397, Asheville, NC 28816 or by E-Mail 

to new.frontier@mailbox.ioa.com



-- 

Sw. Nostradamus Virato,

Editor & Publisher

New Frontier Magazine

ASheville, NC



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: weight loss

From: "John L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 20:06:54 GMT



A few days ago, I read an article from someone who was looking for help 

with weight loss, and there was a reply from someone named Dee who had 

some information. I would also like to receive that information. Please 

mail to jmolt@connectus.com   Thanks!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: obie@shadow.net

Date: 21 Oct 1995 20:38:41 GMT



Can someone recommend a tea or combination of herbs to help

a recovering alcoholic?  Symptoms include: nervousness

                                               uneasiness

                                               withdrawl

                                               liver damage

                                               poor memory

                                               high blood pressure



Thank you 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 22:31:15 GMT



In article <46bloh$c2h@bud.shadow.net>

obie@shadow.net writes:



> Can someone recommend a tea or combination of herbs to help

> a recovering alcoholic?  Symptoms include: nervousness

>                                                uneasiness

>                                                withdrawl

>                                                liver damage

>                                                poor memory

>                                                high blood pressure



Skullcap and valerian might help ease your nervousness and uneasiness. 

They can be pretty potent, for me at least--two capsules with equal

parts of the herb can put me to sleep.  Passionflower is a milder

mellowing herb I've used with good results, and it makes a tasty tea. 

You might also consider magnesium supplements, or foods high in

magnesium.  I got a lot less jumpy once I discovered magnesium citrate.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: "John G. Webb" <webb@uniserve.com>

Date: 22 Oct 1995 14:33:48 GMT



obie@shadow.net wrote:

>Can someone recommend a tea or combination of herbs to help

>a recovering alcoholic?  Symptoms include: nervousness

>                                               uneasiness

>                                               withdrawl

>                                               liver damage

>                                               poor memory

>                                               high blood pressure

>

>Thank you 

>

Try the Kombucha Web Page. This tea may be the solution you are seeking.



Good luck, health and long life.!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: Xenia_King@RedwoodFN.org (Xenia King)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:42:29 GMT



I don't know of one herb that's good for all the conditions you have, but milk

thistle is supposed to heal your liver.



- sent via an evaluation copy of BulkRate (unregistered).





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 19:14:39 GMT



obie@shadow.net wrote:

: Can someone recommend a tea or combination of herbs to help

: a recovering alcoholic?  Symptoms include: nervousness

:                                                uneasiness

:                                                withdrawl

:                                                liver damage

:                                                poor memory

:                                                high blood pressure

: 



For the liver damage Thiamine or vit B one , natural sources Wheat germ 

and dry yeast.

  For the withdrawl symptoms...



CURRANT: (common names) red currant, garden curant, garnetberrry, 

raisin tree, wineberry.  

 used as a substitute for alcohol, but naturally.  With no ill effects.

Make a tea mixed with:



Tincture of Valarian Root.  to calm nervousness.  You could also use this 

three times a day  12 drops mixed in water.



Chamomile tea is a wonderful cleaner and has natural calming effects I 

recommend a cup on retiring...



I hope this helps..



Annie





 -- 

"Through the dark portals of           *  A. Ost

 time it is the exchange of            *  aost@knet2.flemingc.on.ca

 ideas, which bring light..."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 11:57:42 GMT



aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost) wrote:

<snip>



>Make a tea mixed with:

>

>Tincture of Valarian Root.  to calm nervousness.  You could also use this 

>three times a day  12 drops mixed in water.

<snip>



Uhh.. one point of warning with this particular item. Valerian is great 

stuff, but tinctures are usually about 80-90 proof. You might consider 

using the whole herb or some other form if you're going to use it at all, 

since the idea of recovering from alcoholism is avoiding alcohol! If you 

must use it in this form, make sure you boil it for awhile so that all 

the alcohol evaporates.

Good Luck keeping dry!

Liz



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 02:29:37 GMT



In article <46nt3m$pb2@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Liz Jones

<lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:



> aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost) wrote:

> <snip>

> 

> >Make a tea mixed with:

> >

> >Tincture of Valarian Root.  to calm nervousness.  You could also use this 

> >three times a day  12 drops mixed in water.

> <snip>

> 

> Uhh.. one point of warning with this particular item. Valerian is great 

> stuff, but tinctures are usually about 80-90 proof. You might consider 

> using the whole herb or some other form if you're going to use it at all, 

> since the idea of recovering from alcoholism is avoiding alcohol! If you 

> must use it in this form, make sure you boil it for awhile so that all 

> the alcohol evaporates.

> Good Luck keeping dry!

> Liz



I agree. I work at a drug & alcohol treatment center and we tell our

clients to avoid all alcohol products, including alcohol based tinctures

during the detox process. I can get non-alcoholic tinctures at my local

health food stores (Berkeley, CA) I think it's glycerine based but I'm

not  positive. Personally, I'd probably use passionflower over valerian,

because valerian can be addictive and makes many feel "dopey." 



Eating regular meals and avoiding sugar will help tremendously. Also limit

caffeine and processed foods as much as possible. Also, you may want to

check out chromium and L-glutamine to help with the cravings. 



Good Luck and Hang in there, the symptoms WILL go away. 



Been there. Done That. Gratefully moved on,



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 05:46:12 GMT



Liz Jones (lizjones+@pitt.edu) wrote:

: aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost) wrote:

: <snip>

: 

: >Make a tea mixed with:

: >

: >Tincture of Valarian Root.  to calm nervousness.  You could also use this 

: >three times a day  12 drops mixed in water.

: <snip>

: 

: Uhh.. one point of warning with this particular item. Valerian is great 

: stuff, but tinctures are usually about 80-90 proof. You might consider 

: using the whole herb or some other form if you're going to use it at all, 

: since the idea of recovering from alcoholism is avoiding alcohol! If you 

: must use it in this form, make sure you boil it for awhile so that all 

: the alcohol evaporates.

: Good Luck keeping dry!

: Liz





Dear Liz:  

  

  Thanks Liz for catching that for me.  You can get Valerian root tea 

which is much better than the tincture.  But an added word of warning you 

must not use the tea for more than three weeks at a time.  Just give the 

body a rest.  

Thanks Liz



Annie





-- 

"Through the dark portals of           *  A. Ost

 time it is the exchange of            *  aost@knet2.flemingc.on.ca

 ideas, which bring light..."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tea for Alcoholic??

From: Tim Johnson <overmind@hooked.net>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 22:33:33 GMT



obie@shadow.net wrote:

>

> Can someone recommend a tea or combination of herbs to help

> a recovering alcoholic?  Symptoms include: nervousness

>                                                uneasiness

>                                                withdrawl

>                                                liver damage

>                                                poor memory

>                                                high blood pressure

> 

> Thank you 

> 



Members of the thistle family are key for healing liver damage.

Three to try would be blessed thistle, milk thistle, and/or

artichoke. Blessed or milk thistle you make into a tea and drink

a couple times a day. Artichoke you just eat - the heart seems

to be the most potent part. It works for me.



You also might try Kava Kava as a liquor substitute. Put

three ounces in a blender with 1 tbsp. coconut oil and one tsp.

of lecithin granules. Fill the remainder of the blender container

with water and blend for 5 minutes at the highest setting. Pour

this mixture into a cheese cloth or a hankerchief over a pot

filled with warm water (10 or so cups), and squeeze the kava 

mixture into the water until it gets tan and opaque. If you

want more information on this, get a book about Polynesian

culture and look up Kava Kava in the index.



I've also heard that Mother of Thyme is good for treating

alcoholism.



- Tim Johnson

http://www.hooked.net/users/overmind/



- Tim



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: hERBS FOR DEPRESSION/ANXIETY

From: wyldewilly@gnn.com (William D. Corpron RPH)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:47:39



I'm interested in testamonials for herbs used for depression and 

anxiety. My sopuse has been taking RX medications for this 

condition for 4-5 years and am looking for a few herbal remedies to 

help augment her therapy.

Thanks;

Bill 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hERBS FOR DEPRESSION/ANXIETY

From: igloo@gate.net

Date: 22 Oct 1995 18:54:41 GMT



>   wyldewilly@gnn.com (William D. Corpron RPH) writes:

>  I'm interested in testamonials for herbs used for depression and 

>  anxiety. My sopuse has been taking RX medications for this 

>  condition for 4-5 years and am looking for a few herbal remedies to 

>  help augment her therapy.

>  Thanks;

>  Bill 





        Bill,  are you looking or is *she* looking?  Until readers of this newsgroup kn

ow the answer to 

this question, I suggest it not be answered. Bill, if you have questions about y

our wife's medications, I'd 

also like to suggest you schedule an appointment with her Dr and discuss them.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: hERBS FOR DEPRESSION/ANXIETY

From: Mark Gold <mgold@max.tiac.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 20:31:11 -0400



   wyldewilly@gnn.com (William D. Corpron RPH) writes:



>  I'm interested in testamonials for herbs used for depression and 

>  anxiety. My sopuse has been taking RX medications for this 

>  condition for 4-5 years and am looking for a few herbal remedies to 

>  help augment her therapy.

>  Thanks;

>  Bill 



Bill,



Your best bet may be for your spouse to visit a holistic healthcare 

practitioner who 1) is experienced customizing herbal formulas for such 

conditions and 2) can work with your spouse's doctor to avoid 

interactions.  I know people who no longer suffer from depression 

after they worked with a holistic healthcare professionals and improved 

their diet and lifestyle (e.g., yoga class).



You can find holistic healthcare practitioners in the New Age Journal 

Holistic Healing Resource Guide or the Alternative Healthcare Yellow 

Pages available in many bookstores and natural food stores.  The New 

Age Journal guide is available on a web page.  Don't remember the 

address off-hand, but you can get to it through my home page.



As far as herbs go, St. Johns Wort is commonly used in Europe for 

depression.  However, rather than using herbs like drugs and picking

a single herb for a particular condition, your spouse would be far better

off, in my opinion, to visit a professional and get a customized formula

should the herbal route be chosen.



Hope this helps.



Best regards,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

    (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame/NutraPoison,

     sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH, fluoride

     detoxification, mental health resources.  Much more to come. 

         Lots of links to medical and holistic healing sites.

          Will email articles if you do not have WWW access.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pau d'arco  Lapacha

From: Durk Hoekstra <Durk_Hoekstra@mindlink.bc.ca>

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:01:47 -0700



Can anyone tell me moreabout these 2 herbs?



Pau d'arco and lapacha



Many thanks 

please email.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aloe Vera Juice

From: jazzyjen@world.evansville.net (Jazzy Jenny)

Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 22:19:22 GMT



ۥ-



  The Wonderful Difference It Has Made in My Life



        Perhaps you have always thought that the only use for  

the aloe vera plant was to relieve burns on the skin? Have 

you ever heard of the beneficial effects you can receive 

from drinking aloe vera juice? If not, please take a moment 

to read about what drinking aloe vera juice has done for me 

and my health.

        Until about six months ago, I thought the only use for 

the aloe vera plant was to relieve burns on the skin. I had 

never heard of drinking aloe vera juice. When my doctor 

suggested I start drinking a few ounces of aloe vera juice a 

day, I decided to follow his recommendation. I really did not think

that it would help me to feel better, but to my 

amazement it has. I'm so thankful that I decided to try it though. It

has really done 

some marvelous things for me, including making me much 

healthier than what I was before.  

        I have several auto-immune disorders, including        

arthritis, lupus, and meniere's disease. My health problems 

cause an array of problems. The worst one is fatigue. Until 

about six months ago, for quite sometime I had been eagerly searching

for something to alleviate some of my symptoms. Now that I have been

drinking Alliance USA's Aloe 5000 aloe vera juice for approximately

six months, I not only have extra 

energy, but I am much healthier. It used to be a major undertaking for

me to get through each day, my skin was constantly burning, and I ran

fever quite frequently. Now 

the burning sensation on my skin due to inflammation has decreased, I

very rarely have a fever anymore, and my energy level has increased,

which has really made a difference in 

how I feel every day. I can now do some things 

that I could not do before. Not only do I have a healthier 

body, but I have a much brighter outlook on life, because I 

have more energy, therefore I can do more things. 

        Even if you do not have any health problems, aloe vera 

juice is still a great dietary supplement drink. Your skin 

and digestive tract (just to name a few), will receive 

wonderful benefits. Aloe balances the nutrients in your body,

therefore enhancing your health. 

        Unfortunately, not all aloe vera juice products are alike. Unless the

aloe plant undergoes a special process to retain its miraculous

chemistry, many of its beneficial properties are lost in the process.

In order for aloe to be really pure, it must be whole leaf and cold

processed. Not one or the other. Both. Fortunately, Alliance USA is

the only aloe vera juice manufacturer that utilizes a U.S. patented

process. The 

process they use ensures a minimum of 5000 M.P.S. per liter.  Most

aloe vera juices only contain 120 M.P.S., which is the 

main property of the aloe.  They do not concentrate it nor 

add any water to it, therefore their consumers receive 99 

percent pure aloe vera juice that still has it's natural nutritional

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        Would you like to purchase some Alliance USA Aloe 5000 

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on the great nutritional benefits of drinking aloe vera 

juice? If so, please feel free to contact the friendly 

associates that I purchase mine from. Their names are Bob and Cindy

Mills at 12632 Central Ave. in Chino, California 91710-3508. You may

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  If you would like to contact them on the Internet, they 

have a homepage at the following address:

http://www.csz.com/alliance.html.

        What I have written is a personal testimonial. It is 

not a gimmick. If you would like some additional detailed information,

please feel free to write to me at the following email address:

jazzyjen@www.evansville.net. I will be happy to help you.

        If you want to look better, feel better, and have more energy,

purchase a bottle of Alliance USA's Aloe 5000 aloe 

vera juice today. Just try it and you will see what a 

difference it can make in your life. If it's not Alliance 

USA, then it's probably not whole leaf and cold processed, therefore

it's not pure aloe.





u








From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

Date: 21 Oct 1995 22:56:21 GMT



Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar? If you've covered

this before on the newsgroup, bear with me, I'm new...but, it seems to be

a miracle food. What is the power of this readily available food; is it safe

to take on a regular basis? Is it really a wonder food or are the apple

producers pulling our legs??? 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 23 Oct 1995 18:59:15 GMT



In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

writes: 

>

>Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?



[snip]



I've seen a book on this, advertised in Mother Earth News and Organic

Gardening magazines. Has anyone read it?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: lghoover@tgn.net (Lisa Hoover)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:40:30 -0500





> In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

> writes: 

> >

> >Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?

> 

> [snip]

> 

I haven't read anything about it. But my Dad, who is 81, drinks the stuff

every day. He mixes it with honey and some other stuff and calls it

"Liquid Jog." He swears it makes him feel better. He is quite heathy, but

he's also very active, so that  may be the real secret to his good health.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:43:19



In article <lghoover-2310951440300001@dial1.tgn.net> lghoover@tgn.net (Lisa Hoov

er) writes:

>From: lghoover@tgn.net (Lisa Hoover)

>Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

>Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:40:30 -0500





>> In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

>> writes: 

>> >

>> >Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?

>> 

>> [snip]

>> 

>I haven't read anything about it. But my Dad, who is 81, drinks the stuff

>every day. He mixes it with honey and some other stuff and calls it

>"Liquid Jog." He swears it makes him feel better. He is quite heathy, but

>he's also very active, so that  may be the real secret to his good health.



I read a book on this and it gave the following recipe:  Mix 2 tablespoons 

apple cider vineger,  two tablespoons honey and a glass of water.   The book 

 would take a chapter telling of some ailment and then conclude that chapter 

with the same cure.  Sounded very hokey to me.   I don't know how it could 

hurt anyone though.  I tried it  for a while.  Noticed no effects. 



Ronald Myers                                 Phone:    (217)333-1070

Broadcast Engineer                           FAX:      (217)244-6386

WILL-TV                                      Internet: r-myers1@uiuc.edu

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: daliwzrd1@aol.com (Daliwzrd1)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:04:55 -0400



 r-myers1@uiuc.edu (Ron Myers) writes:



>>I haven't read anything about it. But my Dad, who is 81, drinks the

stuff

>>every day. He mixes it with honey and some other stuff and calls it

>>"Liquid Jog." He swears it makes him feel better. He is quite heathy,

but

>>he's also very active, so that  may be the real secret to his good

health.

>

>I read a book on this and it gave the following recipe:  Mix 2

tablespoons 

>apple cider vineger,  two tablespoons honey and a glass of water.   The

book 

 >would take a chapter telling of some ailment and then conclude that

chapter 

>with the same cure.  Sounded very hokey to me.   I don't know how it

could 

>hurt anyone though.  I tried it  for a while.  Noticed no effects.



Let me guess. "Folk Medicine" by D.C. Jarvis, M.D. His cure to everything

was apple cider vinegar, honey, and Lugol's solution of iodine.  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 11:45:08 -0800



okay, this is going to sound crazy, but I swear its true.



my mom used to make "witches brew" by mixing honey, water and apple cider 

vinegar.  We used to keep it chilled and drink it like juice, a few cups 

each a day. (if it is mixed right, it tastes fantastic)

I swear, I think I only had one cold the whole time we did that, and no 

sore throats/sniffles etc. 



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: essi@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:13:17 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:

>In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

>writes: 

>>

>>Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?

>

>[snip]

>

>I've seen a book on this, advertised in Mother Earth News and Organic

>Gardening magazines. Has anyone read it?

>



I used to know this one but have lost the reference. I 

think that it has somthing to do with the pectin or another 

enzyme found in apple and stablized in the vinegar which is 

a good digestive aid/enzyme.

This is the best that I can remember



Leslie Taylor





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:42:17 GMT





> In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

> writes: 

> >

> >Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?

> 

> [snip]





My digestive endocrinologist friend sez it helps with digestion for one.



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: chargert@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:37:14 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:



>In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

>writes: 

>>

>>Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?



>[snip]



>I've seen a book on this, advertised in Mother Earth News and Organic

>Gardening magazines. Has anyone read it?



If you are refering to The Vinegar Book by Emily Thacker, yes I've

read it.  We've even placed multiple orders for several copies because

people are always "borrowing" it.  It contains alot of interesting

tidbits on what to use vinegar for (some I can't believe), how to make

vinegar (I never realized how many kinds there were), how to cook with

it (but the smell), and it's place in history (I didn't know that).

It expounds vinegar as good for so many things, health related and

otherwise, the thing is will I remember to try it when the occasion

arises?



Bless.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: chargert@ix.netcom.com (White Fox)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:38:28 GMT



Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu> wrote:



>okay, this is going to sound crazy, but I swear its true.



>my mom used to make "witches brew" by mixing honey, water and apple cider 

>vinegar.  We used to keep it chilled and drink it like juice, a few cups 

>each a day. (if it is mixed right, it tastes fantastic)

>I swear, I think I only had one cold the whole time we did that, and no 

>sore throats/sniffles etc. 



Not at all crazy.  It's called *honegar*.  You used to be able to buy

the honey & vinegar mixture in pharmacies in some places in Europe and

then you just added your own water.  Reportedly a wonderful digestive

and used to correct the acid-alkaline balance of the body.  Some

"witches" have a specific ritual they preform in the making of this

brew and believe it to have great healing powers.  They make enough of

the honey/vinegar syrup on the full moon to last for the month using

about two tablespoons of this mixture in a juice glass of water as

needed.  They also add different herbs to the mixture for specific

ailments.  Good stuff to some, but it tends to be an acquired taste.



Bless.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

White Fox



Beware:  The tongue is in a wet place and apt to slip

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: Evelyne@bbs.yourvoicevillage.com (Evelyne Frenette)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:55:03 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:



>In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

>writes: 

>>

>>Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?



>[snip]



>I've seen a book on this, advertised in Mother Earth News and Organic

>Gardening magazines. Has anyone read it?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: "What's with the Cider Vinegar"

From: Evelyne@bbs.yourvoicevillage.com (Evelyne Frenette)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:55:54 GMT





ssi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:



In <46btql$et8@Owl.nstn.ca> cschnare@fox.nstn.ca (Cecilia Schnare)

>writes: 

>>

>>Has anyone heard of the medicinal qualities of Cider Vinegar?



>[snip]



>I've seen a book on this, advertised in Mother Earth News and Organic

>Gardening magazines. Has anyone read it?



It has to be apple cider vinegar if you want to get any benefit from

using it. Other vinegars won't get the same results. It should also be

made from whole crushed apples (not apple peelings and cores). Heinz

and Sterling brands are good.



Apple cider vinegar destroys bacteria in your digestive tract, helps

the kidneys and bladder,  helps in weight loss, chronic fatigue,

chronic headache, high blood pressure, dizziness, sore throat, absorbs

mucous. It's considered a cure-all in some places.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: COLLOIDOL SILVER

From: JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 23:54:42 GMT



WHERE CAN I GET IT?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDOL SILVER

From: density4@cts.com (That 4th Density Dude)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 01:21:19 GMT



Re: colloidal silver, JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM> asks:



>WHERE CAN I GET IT?



You can try this outfit currently being pumped up by Randy "jest

waitin' for Eduard to kick so's I can take over the Pleiadean crusade"

Winters:



RegenTech

P.O.B. 1086

Duarte, CA  91009-4086

(818) 303-2787

$25.95 / net 4fl. oz. (118 ml)



-d4



"Channeling the wisdom of Thoth to a theater or drive-in near you"



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

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Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:57:46 GMT





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 21 Oct 1995 23:58:54 GMT



Where can I get it?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: 75267.3402@CompuServe.COM

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: Susan Seifert <sseifert@fairfield.com>

Date: 22 Oct 1995 05:09:38 GMT



JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>Where can I get it?





I've found an excellent source of colloidal silver and many herbs is:



Herbal Healer Academy

HC32, Box 97-B

Mountain View, Arkansas 72560

USA

phone: 501-269-4177

fax: 501-269-5424



My current catalog lists colloidal silver in the 2 oz size ($25.95) and 

4 oz size (37.95). Both are 500 ppm. I have no idea what shipping will

cost. 



Susan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:41:30 GMT



On 22 Oct 1995 05:09:38 GMT, Susan Seifert <sseifert@fairfield.com>

wrote:



>JUAN <75267.3402@CompuServe.COM> wrote:

>>Where can I get it?

>

>

>I've found an excellent source of colloidal silver and many herbs is:

>

>Herbal Healer Academy

>HC32, Box 97-B

>Mountain View, Arkansas 72560

>USA

>phone: 501-269-4177

>fax: 501-269-5424

>

>My current catalog lists colloidal silver in the 2 oz size ($25.95) and 

>4 oz size (37.95). Both are 500 ppm. I have no idea what shipping will

>cost. 

>

>Susan

>

>

Does anyone have a FAQ for MAKING colloidal silver? I have the means

to do so here, just not the "recipe".  I've hunted all over but can

find no directions.  Sorry, but I refuse to pay $26 for 99.95% water

(that's 500ppm folks).  I can obtain silver and purify it from almost

any form very inexpensively so the cost of silver is not an issue

either.  (old jewelry, silverware, and dark-room by-products are

wonderful sources of free silver, extraction of Ag @ 99.99% pure is a

cinch from any of these soucres. Worried about the .01% heavy metals?

I gather your piece of fish tonight for dinner has more than that, or

that fork you eat it with, or the pot you cook it in, or the

silver/mercury amalgam in your tooth filling.)



Plus, I don't enjoy being dependent on someone else to make my

medicinal supplies for me.  At least this way I KNOW what will be in

it. (I'd rather goof-up than find out 3 years later that the

manufacturer did. How many times has THAT happened.)



Lead me to a colloidal silver recipe please. I'd like to be able to

make some FREE colloidal silver for people that cannot afford the

"factory" versions.  (I know a lot of people in that boat, me

included.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 03:44:31 GMT



No one has ever proven any benefit in taking colloidal 

silver by mouth. There are no human studies on what it will 

or won't do for you or against any disease, no mater who 

manufactures it.  The following is posted with the 

permission of the author, Tom Grier who performed his own 

research on colloidal silver much like I did, with almost 

the same results.



"The latest of these alternative treatments that has taken 

hold of the Lyme community has been liquid suspensions of 

Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver is simply  a suspension 

of silver metal particles so small, that they stay in 

suspension by  simple brownian motion. Several companies 

manufacture and distribute Colloidal Silver products as 

food supplements, which means they are not regulated by the 

FDA. Silver is in fact an essential trace element that our 

bodies require in minute quantities. Most of the silver we 

get from our diet however is in the ionic form (the silver 

atom carries a positive charge) such as from a silver salt, 

or a silver oxide, and not the metallic form of silver that 

is found in the Colloidal Silver preparations being sold. 

Since the FDA does not regulate these Colloidal Silver 

products, the manufacturers do not have to provide any 

proof of safety or efficacy. They need only satisfy the FTC 

requirement, that the contents of the bottle are clearly 

labeled, and verifiable.



I was greatly intrigued by the literature that accompanied 

these products. Almost all of the distributors had the same 

things to say about Colloidal Silver, and most used the 

same references repeatedly for their facts. Noticeably 

absent however, were any controlled multi subject studies 

on humans. After I looked up some of the references and 

read them for my self, I felt that some had been greatly 

misrepresented, misquoted, and eronius conclusions had been 

drawn. 



Manufacturers of Colloidal Silver have repeatedly pointed 

out that Colloids of Silver have a powerful disinfectant 

action against bacteria. As part of the support for this it 

was pointed out that pioneers used to place a silver dollar 

in the bottom of milk pitchers to slow down spoilage. 

Colloidal Silver was reportedly an effective antiseptic 

against viruses, parasites, and yeast as well as bacteria! 

In all by 1978, over 650 known pathogens to man are 

supposed to be killed by the actions of Colloidal Silver. 

But interestingly Colloidal Silver would not adversely 

affect in any way, the normal flora of the human G.I. 

tract?  This was the most intriguing of all the claims I 

read. If Colloidal Silver was truly such a powerful 

antimicrobial, why would it selectively spare the bacteria 

in our GI tract? 



The stated mechanism of action of how pathogens are killed 

by Colloidal Silver sounded suspicious. Furthermore the 

same explanation is used repeatedly, regardless of the type 

of organism involved. The explanation given is that the 

silver inhibited an enzyme that delivers oxygen to the 

inside of the bacteria, and the bacteria suffocates and 

dies. This was true whether it was an aerobic, or anaerobic 

bacterium, it was even true of  viruses which do not 

contain "enzyme systems" for metabolism. The literature 

from these distributors also stated that Colloidal Silver 

was both an immune suppressent as it reduced inflammation 

of wounds, and an immune system booster as it relieved 

"immune system stress"  by taking the pressure off of the 

immune system by preventing the immune system from becoming 

overwhelmed with infection. This is a wonderful concept, 

but completely unproven.



Unfortunately I have heard these quasi scientific 

explanations reiterated by Lyme Patients in support group, 

almost word for word from what they had read. The amount of 

time to explain why most of these "scientific explanations" 

are ludicrous, is a counter productive use of time whether 

its in a doctor's office, or in support group. I except 

personal testimonies of products as an acceptable form of 

product promotion, but these quasi scientific mish mashes 

of fact and fiction really strikes at the heart of why 

doctors and scientists have such little respect for 

alternative therapies.  The claims are usually all fluff, 

and little stuff. In other words consumers should not 

except health claims without some minimal amount of 

coraborated data.



When I started looking up some of the 75 year old 

references, I found that there were gross extrapolations, 

and often entirely new conclusions drawn from these old 

studies. Most importantly every single pre war study was 

based on products that have been discontinued  since World 

War ll.  There has never  been a recent study, that has yet 

duplicated any of those pre war results using the Colloidal 

Silver products that are available today. 



                   Having access to a hospital bacteriology 

lab,  I decided to test the antibacterial effectiveness of 

five  different Colloidal Silver products from four 

different distributors. The design of the study would only 

tell me if these preparations had any significant 

antimicrobial activity against 10 common human bacterial 

pathogens in vitro. This study was not designed to 

determine if there are any measurable positive effects on 

any symptom of Lyme Disease. I only wanted to determine if 

today's products could in any way duplicate the claim of 

being an effective antibacterial agent. Since previous 

studies had shown Colloidal Silver to be effective in 

vitro, against over 650 pathogens (Science Digest March 

1978, pp.59-60) I felt a selection of ten common human 

pathogens would be a fair test. In 1988 Dr. Larry C. Ford 

M.D. had reported some disenfectant capabilities against 

several human pathogens, but I wanted to know if today's 

products at 30 ppm or less could duplicate these claims. 

(Some of the previous studies had used solutions in 

concentrations as high as 1,500 ppm.)



Using the similar methods,  and protocols that are used in 

determining if an antibiotic is effective, I chose 10 

common human pathogens to test the antibacterial 

effectiveness of Colloidal Silver. I had selected both gram 

negative and gram positive bacteria, an anaerobe, and the 

most common yeast, Candida albicans. The first time I ran 

the test I was concerned that the full strength product 

might diffuse throughout the culture media and no bacterial 

growth would occur. So I made a full strength dilution and 

1:1, 1:10, and a 1:100 dilution. This would give me some 

indication as to just how diluted a solution could be and 

still have some antimicrobial action. 



One of the products I tested enclosed a small set of 

instructions that stated that it's product was so 

effective, that just one tablespoon per gallon of distilled 

water was suitable for producing a one week supply of 

treatment.  

                



The results were uniform and disappointing. While all of 

the antibiotic sensitivity plates showed clear zones of 

inhibition of bacterial growth, there was absolutely no 

inhibition of growth on the plates containing Colloidal 

Silver even at full strength.  I repeated the experiment 

and the results were identical. ( See diagram 1 and 2) The 

Colloidal Silver had no measurable effect on the growth of 

any organism I tested.



Conclusion: None of the five Colloidal Silver preperations 

I tested, which ranged from 

5 ppm-30 ppm had any noticable inhibitory effect on any of 

the organisms tested in vitro including Candida albicans.

                   

If the antibacterial claims could be disputed, what about 

other claims such as side effect free? Or, No known drug 

interactions?



For any FDA approved drug, these kind of adverse reactions 

would all be reported to the FDA, which would accumulate 

the data, and require all the manufacturers to attach 

warnings of these side effects to the product being sold to 

the consumer. Since colloidal Silver is not FDA regulated, 

the side effects are not reported to any central agency. 

This means we cannot say "side effect free," we can only 

say "NO DATA AVAILABLE". There is a big difference. 



"After a friend told me how Colloidal Silver was helping 

her Lyme Disease I tried the same preperation for a week. I 

developed a metallic taste in my mouth, and after three 

weeks I had developed a rash on my lower abdomen, and a 

heart arrhythmia. I know of at least three others in our 

group that have had some adverse side effects from various 

silver products that they've tried. I have not found 

Colloidal Silver products to be side effect free."  Liz 

Schmitz  Georgia State Lyme Disease Support Group 

Cooridnator



Does Colloidal Silver have side effects? Yes ! For every 

anecdotal story I have received touting the benefits of 

Colloidal Silver I have received at least an equal number 

of anecdotal accounts of adverse reactions. I have talked 

to several people who have developed rashes, cardiac 

arrhythmia's,  aseptic nephritis, and other various 

complaints. Are these side effects real? This can only be 

answered  by doing placebo controlled studies, and this is 

not going to happen since the cost of doing saftey and 

efficacy testing now exceeds $ 100,000,000. Remember for 

every personal testimonial you see saying how good a 

product is, there could be a dozen saying how bad it is, 

that you don't see.



Is Colloidal Silver Dangerous?  Most data that is available 

would suggest that it is not a dangerous product and that 

it probably does have some genuine health benefits, but all 

supplements run the risk of being misused and abused. Can 

there be drug interactions between Colloidal Silver and 

medications? Certainly, but without controlled studies or 

pooled data, we don't know what they are.  Silver is not 

entirely chemically inert. Silver has different chemical 

forms and is capable of forming organic-silver compounds. 

The tetracycline class of antibiotics is poorly absorbed in 

the presence of metal ions such as magnesioum, aluminum, 

and calcium. Tetracycline absorption could easily be 

affected by silver containing products. To determine 

possible drug interactions requires controlled studies, and 

these studies have not been done. The claim of "No drug 

interactions" is premature. There simply is "No Data 

Available".  



One of the claims about Colloidal Silver I take issue with, 

is the theory that the silver is absorbed so quickly 

sublingually, that it has no adverse effect on the GI 

bacteria. Presumably there is no silver left after 

sublingual absorption, to affect the rest of the GI tract. 

This statement would imply that the manufactures know what 

the blood levels of silver are before ingestion, and can 

show the change in blood levels after sublingual ingestion. 

Yet no such data was available from any of the 

manufacturers that I contacted, yet I was told over the 

phone that the silver was without a doubt absorbed 

sublingually, but no one knew how much, or how long it 

took. 



When references were made about the silver particle size 

being important, to my surprise this was not based on any 

biological effectiveness studies, but was based on whether 

the product had a good shelf life without precipitating out 

any silver during shipment. No attempt was ever made to 

determine if smaller particle size had any biological 

advantage over larger particles. For all we know large 

particles may be more biologically effective? It was always 

emphasied by manufacturers that smaller particles, meant a 

better product, but better for what? 



I know we can't put every home remedy to FDA standards.  I 

for one would be very disappointed if the availability of 

alternative therapies became so difficult to obtain, that 

we would  have to get a prescription, or go to Mexico to 

try them.  Manufactures have to take some responsibility in 

being able to back up their medical claims. I have nothing 

against anecdotal testimonials for products, but lets not 

ascribe pseudo scientific mechanisms of action without 

providing some basis of proof. If a manufacturer is not 

willing to easily refund your money if you are 

dissatisfied, then choose another supplier. If you want to 

try an alternative therapy on the basis of someone's 

personal testimony, ask questions !  If  it doesn't work, 

is my money refundable? What assurances are there that the 

product is safe? How many people have tried it? Are there 

any complaints filed with the FTC, the division of postal 

fraud or the Better Business Bureau ? Most importantly if 

someone says they have tried the product for a week and 

feel great, wait long enough to see if they develop any 

side effects or relapse. I can't tell you how many people 

have told me of the new things they are trying, only to 

find out a year later that it was a waste of both time and 

money. Always remember Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware)!



Authors Note: Some of the Colloidal Silver products being 

sold, are through distributorships. These multi level sale 

organizations depend on the anecdotal stories of its 

distributors to sell their products. For every bottle sold 

a distributor some where is making a profit. Such programs 

that offer sales incentives always have a disclaimer: We 

are not responsible for the personal claims of our 

distributors!  Remember not all testimonials can be taken 

at face value, especially if there are cash incentives 

involved! Some of these distributors immediately cancel 

your membership if you return a product for a refund. So 

investigate before you buy.



(If you would like to receive a copy of the methodology and 

experiment protocols used to test the various Colloidal 

Silver products send a S.A.S.E. to Tom Grier 902 Grandview 

Ave. Duluth, MN, 55812)





References



1) British Medical Journal (May 12, 1917)



2) British Medical Journal (Dec. 15, 1917)



3) Lancet (Feb, 16, 1918)



4) Science Digest  (Mar. 1978 pp 59-60) "Our Mightiest Germ 

fighter" 



5) Coll/Ag-30 "The Silver Micro Bullet" Information from 

Dr. Paul Farber





- END-

                   





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:08:58 GMT



On 23 Oct 1995 03:44:31 GMT, Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com> wrote:



>No one has ever proven any benefit in taking colloidal 

>silver by mouth. There are no human studies on what it will 

>or won't do for you or against any disease, no mater who 

>manufactures it.  The following is posted with the 

>permission of the author, Tom Grier who performed his own 

>research on colloidal silver much like I did, with almost 

>the same results.

>

(study deleted for space)



Thank you for posting this information.  I've been suspicious of the

claims, but I also know that silver compounds are used in water

filtration systems for survival situations.  Do you know what silver

compounds are used in those survival "straws" and filters that claim

to kill every organism even if you suck up pure swamp water with them?



And do you have any information on any toxicity studies of:



Silver Citrate

Silver Picrate

Silver Acetate

or

Silver Carbonate?



Do you know if any of the above silver compounds can form toxic

substances in the body?  I choose them for their soluability levels in

acid conditions.



I have heard rumors of the "Lymes" cure with colloidal silver but have

been trying to pursue a "silver cure" along other lines using any of

the above compounds.  I have some information (though sketchy) on the

side effect of silver overdose (aprox. 2 grams Ag orally or 1000 mg

i.v.) causing agyria, and that silver has a half-life in the body of

aprox. 6 months (being expelled through a complex bile process).  But

I don't know if the agyria (blue skin) is permanent or not.  One case

sited in the studies I could find was of a person that lived his life

as a side-show attraction for his blue skin, but nothing was said if

he continually ingested silver to retain this condition, i.e. agyria.

(The other study was of an elderly woman that was given 1000 mg i.v.

wherein they found the half-life and the way it is expelled, but no

mention if her agyria went away eventually.)  Other than agyria, no

evidence has been found that silver is toxic in the body.  (The agyria

is merely a photochemical reaction in the skin, not unlike camera film

where silver turns dark upon exposure to light. It's not dangerous,

you're just BLUE is all. :)



Since the medical community has failed to find a cure for Lymes, some

of us are left to our own experimentation to find positive results.  I

think your tests have some valid information in them, but not all the

information.  I like exposing fraud just as much as the next person,

but I also realize that silver might be an answer in this case. It

would be interesting if you did further studies on the antibacterial

and antiviral effects of silver at other concentrations.  



I don't understand why silver would not be effective since it is so

widely used to decontaminate water in those devices I mentioned

earlier.  From what I understand, silver is still used for certain

venereal diseases (i.e. silver nitrate eye-wash in newborn's eyes,

though silver nitrate is one of the few if only dangerous forms of

silver). In my Merck Index, nearly half of the silver compounds listed

are for medicinal uses only (but all for external use, and I can't

find toxicity studies)  And since Lymes has now been "categorized" as

actually "Deer Syphilis", there might be some effectiveness against

the spirochete that causes the illness.  I hope you are not trying to

dispell the whole idea that silver works as an antibiotic and

antiviral.  Because it has been used for centuries as such.  But I do

agree, that the Colloidal silver craze does have that flavor of "snake

oil" to it.  It might just be that they are not using or selling the

right concentrations.  (But higher dosages and you might end up blue.

:) I wouldn't mind it though, blue is my favorite color. :)



(excuse the lack of cohesiveness in this, been up too late, you get

the idea though)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 00:07:45 GMT



>Thank you for posting this information.  I've been suspicious of the

>claims, but I also know that silver compounds are used in water

>filtration systems for survival situations.  Do you know what silver

>compounds are used in those survival "straws" and filters that claim

>to kill every organism even if you suck up pure swamp water with them?

>And do you have any information on any toxicity studies of:



>Silver Citrate

>Silver Picrate

>Silver Acetate

>or

>Silver Carbonate?

//////////////////////////////////

You're welcome.  Most of the air and water filtration 

systems I've seen use simple metalic silver to purify water 

or air.  No sorry, I haven't researched any of the the 

above compounds for toxicity.



>Do you know if any of the above silver compounds can form >toxic substances in 

the body?  I choose them for their >soluability levels in acid conditions.

/////////////////

Sorry again, no research - no data on these specific 

compounds.



>I have heard rumors of the "Lymes" cure with colloidal >silver but have been tr

ying to pursue a "silver cure" >along other lines using any ofthe above compounds.  I have >some information (though sketchy) on the

 side effect of >silver overdose (aprox. 2 grams Ag orally or 1000 mg

>i.v.) causing agyria, and that silver has a half-life in >the body of aprox. 6 

months (being expelled through a >complex bile process).  But I don't know if the agyria >(blue skin) is permanent or not.  One case

 sited in the >studies I could find was of a person that lived his life

>as a side-show attraction for his blue skin, but nothing >was said if he contin

ually ingested silver to retain this >condition, i.e agyria.(The other study was of an elderly >woman that was given 1000 mg i.v. wh

erein they found the >half-life and the way it is expelled, but no mention if >her agyria went away eventually.)  Other than agyria

, no >evidence has been found that silver is toxic in the body. > (The agyria is merely a photochemical reaction in the >skin, not u

nlike camera film where silver turns dark upon >exposure to light. It's not dangerous,you're just BLUE is >all. :)

/////////////////

Everything I have read, going back to references and 

research to 1919 says argyria is permanent and is reported 

occuring at much lower dosages than those you cited. Can 

you give me references to look up the figures you quoted?  

Are you saying that it took 1,000 mgs of pure silver! I 

think you need to differentiate what was actually 

administered and at what concentration. Was is colloidal 

silver, strong or mild silver protein (popular about 20-25 

years ago and caused many cases of argyria) or another 

silver solution, and what what was the actual concentration 

of the silver in the solution administered.  All of these 

will make a difference in what dosage is required to induce 

argyria.  Argyria is caused when the actual silver 

particles collect under the skin and reflect light.  

Obviously this silver has no half-life and is not expelled 

or flushed from the body.  One of my concerns all along was 

the lack of research showing where the silver was stored in 

the body and how long it took to metabolise or be flushed 

from the system. I was unable to find one published 

clinical reference. Can you provide me with the reference 

to the study you cited on a 6 month "half-life". Was this 

study published and how many subjects did it include?



I don't think we have enough information on how colloidal 

silver works on a cellular level in the human body to 

determine if it is dangerous or not, or if there is some 

level of toxicity and at what dosages, if there are any 

reactions with other drugs and what specific benefits it 

even might provide.  One of the concerns I have is that if 

it is real colloidal silver with a good zone of inhibition 

against bacteria, that it is just as likely to kill good 

bacteria as bad bacteria.  With the levels, dosages and 

frequency some are claiming beneficial for ingestion 

(without any clinical documentation or studies) the good 

bacteria in the stomach and intestinal tract are likely to 

be the first harmed.  From the chemists, I get that a 

colloidal solution will no longer be a colloidal solution 

when it hits the stomach acids.  If it doesn't (still not 

researched or documented), then all you have are silver 

particles and water floating around the GI track.  When 

these issues were brought up to the MLMer's about a year 

ago, they came up with the claim that it was sublingually 

absorbed in the mouth and esophogus before it hit the 

stomach acid.  Once again, this claim has never been 

substantiated by research to prove this.  



To be perfectly honest, most of the colloidal silver out 

there is just water with some silver particles on the 

bottom of the container, so there's more danger to a 

person's wallet than their body. Two of the samples has 

microbes in the product sold (that the CS was supposed to 

kill but was alive and well), and one manufacturer was 

using tap water which had clhorine in it and had 

unexceptable levels of silver chloride in the product.  As 

a whole, I don't think any will actually killyou, but I 

can't find ANY justification personally to lay my hard 

earned money out for products such as these. MHO



>Since the medical community has failed to find a cure for >Lymes, some of us ar

e left to our own experimentation to >find positive results.  I think your tests have some valid >information in them, but not all t

he information.  I like >exposing fraud just as much as the next person, but I also >realize that silver might be an answer in this 

case. It

>would be interesting if you did further studies on the >antibacterial and antiv

iral effects of silver at other >concentrations.  

//////////

The article I posted was written by Tom Grier. He is a 

microbiologist now disabled by Lymes Disease. He has 

written a survivor manual for those with Lymes.  If anyone 

would want to find a cure for Lymes or show some efficacy 

of colloidal silver against Lymes, I think Tom Grier would 

be right there at the top of the list.  Also being a 

microbiologist gives him some advantage over just the 

normal consumer who is being sold something (and access to 

a lab to do his assays). The only recent information I've 

seen concerning silver products and Lymes is being bandied 

about in the Lyme community and its on mild silver protein 

which is manufactured at 1500 parts per million, and being 

touted by the manufacturer and others with a vested 

interest in marketing mild silver protein. I think more 

than anything, we need in vivo human studies on what 

ingested silver products are doing on a human cellular 

level, where is the silver going and what is it doing when 

it gets there.

/////////////////////////////

>I don't understand why silver would not be effective since >it is so widely use

d to decontaminate water in those >devices I mentioned earlier.  From what I understand, >silver is still used for certain venereal 

diseases (i.e. >silver nitrate eye-wash in newborn's eyes, though silver >nitrate is one of the few if only dangerous forms of

>silver). In my Merck Index, nearly half of the silver >compounds listed are for

 medicinal uses only (but all for >external use, and I can't find toxicity studies)  

/////////////////////////

Most silver products of the past were used as topical 

antibiotics. All of the prescription silver products still 

on the market are for topical use - not internal uses.  

They normally aren't required to do human toxicity tests to 

find out what happens if someone actually ingests something 

for topical use.  Just because metallic silver can kill a 

bacteria on contact in water or in the air doesn't 

necessarily mean that if you drink it, it will kill the 

bacteria in the human body.  If you put battery acid in a 

test tube with a bacteria, you have a dead bacteria. But 

this doesn't mean you should drink battery acid to kill 

bacteria in your body. NO ONE has studied, researched, 

documented or proven how colloidal silver and its 

positively charged silver ion (if you're lucky and get a 

real product) can be absorbed into  the human sustem *as a 

colloidal*, or what it does or doesn't do, ie, interacts on 

a cellular level with bacteria and other cells.  HIV is a 

good example because it has been touted as a antiviral 

capable of killing the HIV virus.  Does the silver ion 

travel through the blood to kill HIV in the blood and how 

does it get into the blood stream? Does the silver ion make 

it all the way to the lymph glands where supposedly the 

majority of HIV infected cells are? Do these silver ions 

travel through every part of the body - glands, blood, 

tissue, organs killing every bacteria or virus that crosses 

it's path?  That's the problem - no one knows. And speaking 

of HIV and colloidal silver, I have chased down every claim 

and rumor I have heard about this, and there is absolutely 

no documentation, blood work, or proof that shows colloidal 

silver did any thing beneficial for an AIDS or HIV+ 

individual.



>And since Lymes has now been "categorized" as

>actually "Deer Syphilis", there might be some >effectiveness against the spiroc

hete that causes the >illness.  I hope you are not trying to dispell the whole >idea that silver works as an antibiotic and antivira

l.  >Because it has been used for centuries as such.  But I do >agree, that the Colloidal silver craze does have that >flavor of "sn

ake oil" to it.  It might just be that they >are not using or selling the

>right concentrations.  (But higher dosages and you might >end up blue. :) I wou

ldn't mind it though, blue is my >favorite color. :)



No, I think if you could somehow get a silver ion in 

contact with this spirochete that it might kill it.  If 

this spirochete were in a test tube or floating in a 

controlled solution and silver was introduced to it, it 

might probably be killed.  But where are these spirochete 

floating around in your body? How many of them are there? 

How do you know that these silver ions can reach them, the 

majority of them or some of them  to do their business? How 

do you know that silver ions can even be absorbed 

sublingually to get into your system without falling by the 

wayside in your stomach acid? How do any of us know what 

dosages are effective or even harmful for that mattter? 



The truth is I don't have Lymes or any serious illness that 

I am willing to bet on the odds against. As a cancer 

survivor, I know that I would try many things that I 

thought might help and probably not  kill me if I were 

faced with another serious illness.  Everyone has to make 

their own decisions based on their own situation in this 

moment in life. 



>(excuse the lack of cohesiveness in this, been up too >late, you get the idea t

hough)



Yup, me too, sorry for being so long winded.



Leslie Taylor





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: mikeb@isi.com (Mike Bender)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 16:12:42 GMT





Thank you for doing the research and distributing the results!

You are doing an excellent job of keeping the alternative-health

industry honest.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER

From: Yannis Eleftheriou <"yannis"@yannis.seanet,com>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 20:51:53 -0700



What is colloidal silver and what use does it have? I drink

 purified water (filtered with a carbon fiter that has a trace 

of silver as an antibacterial)and was wondering if the silver 

has any adverse health effects.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Clary Sage

From: brossman@teleport.com

Date: 22 Oct 1995 01:06:09 GMT





Can anyone give me some information on an

herb called Clary Sage? More specifically, what 

is the proper dosage and what effects should

be expected?

 

I have heard that is  sedative/hypnotic that tends 

to give you intense dreams.  But I would like

to know more before I experiment with it.



Please post your responses.



-Ryan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Clary Sage

From: anon4269@nyx10.cs.du.edu (The Other One)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 22:20:46 -0600





I've heard that Clary (Salvia sclarea) can be used like Orris as a

potpourri fixative.  Does anyone have any information on how it is

used for this purpose?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info on alternative medicine in the US

From: Wayne Anthony Carver Harris <wachman@io.org>

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:21:58 -0700



I saw that there was a posting on this but I missed it before I 

could read it. Could someone (Mr. Chan Perhaps) repost this 

info, or if anyone has any information on this, could you please 

repost or send it to me --Wayne<wachman@io.org>



Thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Brain Tumor

From: t2019@sccoast.net (Tula Clapp)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 23:44:45 +1138



    Five years ago I had an operation to remove a malignant brain tumor

(an astrocytoma). All of the malignancy could not be removed. I had

radiation.  

The tumor was still there.  In addition, x-rays revealed that I had water

on my brain. The doctors told me to get my affairs in order. I began

taking herbs given to me by an old medicine man of the North Carolinian

mountains. (We had become good friends when I lived up there.)  This was

in 1992.



   In August of 1994 I went for my traditional CAT scan. The doctors could

see nothing except an empty hole where my tumor had been.  Three months

later I went for my CAT scan again.  The results were the same.  My

doctors had asked me to write down the herbs that I had been taking. I

would like to pass this message of hope along to anyone who needs it.



   The medicine man told me that drugs cure symptoms quickly but herbs

cure the problem slowly.  My list:  Pau d'Arco, Fo-Ti, Red Clover and

Jersey Tea. Shavegrass (Horsetail) for the water on my brain.  I have had

no damage from this tumor except that my immune system is shot. But the

good news is that I have had to cut down on my dilantin - from 600mg.to

300mg. a day.  My next MRI is scheduled in August of 1996.  I know that I

will be never be out of the woods, but...



   I believe that having a can do attitude goes along with the herbs, as

well as 

meditation.  My favorite saying is: May the white light from above, heal

ALL of me with love.

  

   I am 44 now and I hope to see the last of my six children graduate from

high school this June.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Brain Tumor

From: "Cheryl E." <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca>

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:19:29 -0600



On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Tula Clapp wrote:



>     Five years ago I had an operation to remove a malignant brain tumor

> (an astrocytoma). All of the malignancy could not be removed. I had

> radiation.  

(text deleted)



What a beautiful story, and thank you for sharing it.



Cheryl



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Brain Tumor

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 18:25:47 GMT



I lost my Father to this "astocytoma" monster. 

I am glad you made it. God blessed you.

Sincerely,

-- 

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sunrider

From: bobvilla@cris.com (Bob Villa)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 15:01:06 GMT



Hello,



This is a request for some further information.



My husband is trying out Sunrider products for allergies and asthma.

The product is expensive but sounds very, very promising. Right now he

is trying out Sunpack #1.  



I would like to hear of any ones experience using these products as

the principle behind them is so very different from what I've read

about.



He has suffered with infected sinus, loss of hearing, lungs tightening

and closing for his whole life. (he's 42)  Now it is getting worse.



I have been using the komucha mushroom, which I think is helping, eye

bright, Super RNA from Twin Labs, and Shaklee vitamins.  Any comments

on these products will likewise be appreciated.



Thank you



amy.williamson@delta.com

bobvilla@cris.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: dbrose@aol.com (DBRose)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 11:51:36 -0400



I am 39 weeks pregnant with my fourth child.  I have had quick labors, and

would be very much comforted to think that I could have some control over

when this next one might start, so that I could ensure the quick

availability of my husband and childcare team.



A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.

Donya Rose

Business Planner, Raychem Corporation

send email to drose@raychem.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 18:14:45 GMT



In article <46dpa8$kv5@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,

   dbrose@aol.com (DBRose) wrote:



>I am 39 weeks pregnant with my fourth child.  I have had quick labors, and

>would be very much comforted to think that I could have some control over

>when this next one might start, so that I could ensure the quick

>availability of my husband and childcare team.

>

>A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

>raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

>appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

>possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.



The cohosh is for stimulating labor once it has begun naturally, not

inducing labor.  It stimulates uterine contractions, but doesn't help

the cervix dilate ... you could do serious damage to the cervix.

If you have a history of quick labors, your husband and team should be 

informaed of it, and maybe get them pagers for the next few weeks.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 17:26:58 MST



Shouldn't you be asking your doctor about something this serious and 

potentially dangerous and not a newsgroup??             -DDR





In article <46dpa8$kv5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> dbrose@aol.com (DBRose) writes:





>I am 39 weeks pregnant with my fourth child.  I have had quick labors, and

>would be very much comforted to think that I could have some control over

>when this next one might start, so that I could ensure the quick

>availability of my husband and childcare team.



>A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

>raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

>appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

>possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.

>Donya Rose

>Business Planner, Raychem Corporation

>send email to drose@raychem.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: otter@mich.com (Oscar Pederson)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:16:39 GMT



picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||) wrote:



>Shouldn't you be asking your doctor about something this serious and 

>potentially dangerous and not a newsgroup??            -DDR



I'd rather trust an herbalist than a doctor.  The MD profession has a

tendency to think that they know all of the answers, while they don't

even bother to cross check what chemical drugs they prescribe, and

often basically give the advice "I don't know, wait a few days and see

if things change".  I have *MUCH* more respect for my chiropractor,

herbalist, massage therapist, and RN friends than I do for doctors in

general.



Oscar "Otter" Pederson -- Keep Home Worship Legal





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (||{o}||)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:37:11 MST



In article <46j6kj$8fv@server2.mich.com> otter@mich.com (Oscar Pederson) writes:



>I'd rather trust an herbalist than a doctor.  The MD profession has a

>tendency to think that they know all of the answers, while they don't

>even bother to cross check what chemical drugs they prescribe, and

>often basically give the advice "I don't know, wait a few days and see

>if things change".  I have *MUCH* more respect for my chiropractor,

>herbalist, massage therapist, and RN friends than I do for doctors in

>general.



>Oscar "Otter" Pederson -- Keep Home Worship Legal



You might, but that doesn't mean your unborn child does!!  How about giving 

them a little choice in the matter??  BTW, do you routinely troll on 

newsgroups for herbalists, massage therapists and RN's or do you get trusted 

referrals from friends and relatives??  I hope it's the latter. -DDR



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 19:30:36 GMT



: 

: In article <46dpa8$kv5@newsbf02.news.aol.com> dbrose@aol.com (DBRose) writes:

: 

: 

: >I am 39 weeks pregnant with my fourth child.  I have had quick labors, and

: >would be very much comforted to think that I could have some control over

: >when this next one might start, so that I could ensure the quick

: >availability of my husband and childcare team.

: 

: >A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

: >raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

: >appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

: >possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.

: >Donya Rose

: >Business Planner, Raychem Corporation

: >send email to drose@raychem.com

: 

Don't try anything else than Red Raspberry leaves...If you take Blue 

cohosh you could be looking at hemorrhage or something worse.  Red 

Raspberry leaves are wonderful when you are pregnant and can be taken as 

a tea three times and once on retiring.  I used it for both my 

pregnancy's and most Herbal dr recommend that its the only thing ever to 

take.  Try nothing else.  Red Raspberry will not bring on labour but 

strengthen your uterine muscles...



Hope this helps



Annie



-- 

"Through the dark portals of           *  A. Ost

 time it is the exchange of            *  aost@knet2.flemingc.on.ca

 ideas, which bring light..."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 21:49:55 GMT





dbrose@aol.com (DBRose) writes:

>A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

>raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

>appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

>possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.



Blue cohosh may bring on labor, but it might deprive your baby of its 

mother. According to Varro Tyler's *Honest Herbal*, blue cohosh can 

cause heart damage. Don't try it!



Tyler finds nothing bad to say about red raspberry leaves.



--

Paula Burch

pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

http://mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu/pburch.html

not speaking for my employers





///////





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler <alchemy@Direct.CA>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:41:29 GMT





> dbrose@aol.com (DBRose) writes:

> >A friend told me that she had heard that a tea made from blue cohosh and

> >raspberry leaves could be effective in stimulating labor.  I would

> >appreciate any information anyone might have on this, effectiveness,

> >possible side-effects, and appropriate dosage and timing.

> 

Susun Weed writes about Blue Cohosh root: "A strong favorite among lay 

midwives, Caulophyllum thalictroides is a reliable remedy when labor needs 

promoting.  It does not stimulate the uterus into irregular contractions

or cause any tighness or clamping down of the cervix.  The usual does is

10-20 drops of the tincture in a small glass of water, repeated hourly or as nee

ded.   

The water based infusion is not as useful as some fo the active ingredients are

not water soluble...NOTE: If fetal heart-tones are monitored, there 

may be a noticeable elevation as the Blue Cohosh starts to work. 

Also remember that Blue Cohosh tends to lower blood pressure."



Her "Labor Tincture" has Blue and Black Cohosh, Ginger, and Birthroot,

which I've never heard of.



Simon Mills in "The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine" (Great book!),

says of Blue Cohosh "this remedy was traditionally used to 

facilitate childbirth, and given during labour itself.  It is most

beneficial both to ease pain in the latter stages of labour and for the

hours immediately afterwards, including the passing of the placenta."

He also says "it is probably unsafe to take in pregnancy until labour 

has commenced."



He says that Partridge Berry (formerly Squaw Vine) is "traditionally 

applied in later pregnancy to facilitate labour and delivery, having

much the same reputation in former North American times as raspberry 

leaves have today."  He mentions no contra-indications.



Our local herbal apothecary suggest using herbs to influence a delivery 

only at the hands of an experienced practitioner/herbalist/midwife.  But

they do suggest herbs to be used in the 9th month to promote an easy 

labour:  Motherwort, Blue Cohosh, False Unicorn and Fegugreek.



I hope your labour goes/went well!



Tamara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Blue Cohosh/Raspberry for Stimulating Labor

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 17:51:40 GMT



In message ID <46ovq3$erf@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> on 10/26/95, Paula Burch wrote:



: Blue cohosh may bring on labor, but it might deprive your baby of its 

: mother. According to Varro Tyler's *Honest Herbal*, blue cohosh can 

: cause heart damage. Don't try it!

: 

: Tyler finds nothing bad to say about red raspberry leaves.



Varro Tyler is as unreliable a source as any you will ever find. 'Finds

nothing bad' includes slanting evidence to the perpendicular to avoid

acknowledging that he doesn't have a clue what herbalism is.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: an303538@anon.penet.fi (*mouse****~)

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:38:06 UTC



Does anyone have info on taking melatonin for depression, either alone 

or in combination with an antidepressant? What are the 

contraindications?  Is is effective with only certain kinds of 

depression?  Is it dangerous to use for depression? (I've heard of 

someone going into a coma using melatonin but I don't know why.  And 

the bottle warns of using for depression but I've heard of 

psichiatrists prescribing it for this. )  Any info appreciated. Please 

email me directly to above anon address.  Thanks in advance.  





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

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Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: dnoche@wco.com (Carol Taylor)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 07:06:39 GMT



I don't know about long term but my melatonin use (3 mgs. a day) for the 

last week has greatly lifted my endogenous depression.  Stuff that was 

completely overwhelming last week is now easily handled - forms, phone 

calls, letters, housework.  I just find myself doing it instead of 

falling down in the face of it.



CT



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: Does anyone have info on taking melatonin for depression, either alone 

: or in combination with an antidepressant? What are the 

: contraindications?  Is is effective with only certain kinds of 

: depression?  Is it dangerous to use for depression? (I've heard of 

: someone going into a coma using melatonin but I don't know why.  And 

: the bottle warns of using for depression but I've heard of 

: psichiatrists prescribing it for this. )  Any info appreciated. Please 

: email me directly to above anon address.  Thanks in advance.  





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: dnoche@wco.com

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: Cathy LeFevre <clefevre@tcd.net>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 01:05:38 GMT



Can you tell me more about melatonin?  I am normally a pretty strong 

person emotionally, but have had a rough year and am just about at the 

end of my rope.  I have joined a support group to help me work through 

the recent loss of my father, but now my father-in-law who is going 

senile needs a place to stay and none of his children seem inclined to 

help.  I have a sinking feeling my husband and I are going to be expected 

to take care of him and we both work full time.



I feel pretty stressed today.  I wonder if occasional use of melatonin 

would be helpful for me?  I hadn't even heard of this substance before.



I am very much into herbs.  I even grow my own and make my own tinctures 

and teas whenever possible.  I prefer natural medicine over chemicals.



Any advice you can give will be appreciated.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:32:33 -0500



Melatonin is a hormone.  It's what makes babies "sleep like babies".  As 

we age, we produce less and less.  3mg is the recommended dosage, and it 

works fine for me.  I wouldn't take it occasionally-the body doesn/t 

produce hormones that way.  I take mine about an hour before 

bedtime-every night.



I doubt it would help much with all the stress you seem to be under, 

other than to help you sleep better.  You might want to look into some 

relaxation techniques and some soothing herb teas.



BTW-all the herbs are chemical compounds too.  Everything on earth is 

made of chemicals.  



Cissy



On 24 Oct 1995, Cathy LeFevre wrote:



> Can you tell me more about melatonin?  I am normally a pretty strong 

> person emotionally, but have had a rough year and am just about at the 

> end of my rope.  I have joined a support group to help me work through 

> the recent loss of my father, but now my father-in-law who is going 

> senile needs a place to stay and none of his children seem inclined to 

> help.  I have a sinking feeling my husband and I are going to be expected 

> to take care of him and we both work full time.

> 

> I feel pretty stressed today.  I wonder if occasional use of melatonin 

> would be helpful for me?  I hadn't even heard of this substance before.

> 

> I am very much into herbs.  I even grow my own and make my own tinctures 

> and teas whenever possible.  I prefer natural medicine over chemicals.

> 

> Any advice you can give will be appreciated.

> 

> 

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: sol@aracnet.com (James L. Weerts)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 12:51:55 -0700



In <46he52$gch@news.tcd.net> Cathy LeFevre <clefevre@tcd.net> writes:



>Can you tell me more about melatonin?  



Many people say many marvelous things about melatonin, including, I have 

heard, as a tonic for depression and seasonal affective disorder.  I 

don't know, but several things are clear:



1.  It is, as near as can be seen, a very safe substance to ingest.

No one has indicated or documented any harm that can come from it.



2.  It should be taken at bedtime only.



2.  You will sleep like you have not slept in a long time, and you will 

not be tired when you wake up.  It is truly wonderous in this respect. 

Many of its beneficial effects, I believe, are tied to this.



4.  As these things go, it's relatively cheap (look at the price of

herbs). 



I have been taking 3mg each night for 3 months, and I feel great.  I 

don't know about all of the claims that are made (e.g., longer life, 

increased secretion of seratonin, anti-depression, etc.).  But you sure 

do sleep like a baby.



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: clefevre@tcd.net

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: Pam Smith <pamelas@umich.edu>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 13:45:50 GMT



Cathy-I have heard of melatonin being used for sleep problems.  I have 

started using Bach's Flower Essences.  Rescue Remedy is good for 

depression or the "at the end of my rope" feeling.  I've been on 

anti-depressants for 2 1/2 years and also suffer from the Seasonal 

Affective Disorder in the fall.  I started using this about a month ago 

and I feel as if I can almost stop using my anti-depressant.  You don't 

have to take it all the time either. Check it out.  I found it at the 

local natural food store.  Hope this helps!  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: jor@teleport.com (Jo Robinson)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:55:45 GMT



Cathy LeFevre (clefevre@tcd.net) wrote:

: Can you tell me more about melatonin?  I am normally a pretty strong 

: person emotionally, but have had a rough year and am just about at the 

: end of my rope.  I have joined a support group to help me work through 

: the recent loss of my father, but now my father-in-law who is going 

: senile needs a place to stay and none of his children seem inclined to 

: help.  I have a sinking feeling my husband and I are going to be expected 

: to take care of him and we both work full time.



: I feel pretty stressed today.  I wonder if occasional use of melatonin 

: would be helpful for me?  I hadn't even heard of this substance before.



: I am very much into herbs.  I even grow my own and make my own tinctures 

: and teas whenever possible.  I prefer natural medicine over chemicals.



: Any advice you can give will be appreciated.





        Cathy, for answers to frequently asked questions about melatonin, I

refer you to: http://www.teleport.com/~jor

        JO



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|      (503)284-4676                |     2826 NE 18th Portland, OR 97212     | 

+-----------------------------------+------------------------------------y-----+



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: mikeb@isi.com (Mike Bender)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 17:50:58 GMT



In article <46lmm1$fcb@maureen.teleport.com> jor@teleport.com (Jo Robinson) writ

es:



   Cathy LeFevre (clefevre@tcd.net) wrote:

   : Can you tell me more about melatonin?  I am normally a pretty strong 

   : person emotionally, but have had a rough year and am just about at the 

   : end of my rope.  I have joined a support group to help me work through 

   : the recent loss of my father, but now my father-in-law who is going 

   : senile needs a place to stay and none of his children seem inclined to 

   : help.  I have a sinking feeling my husband and I are going to be expected 

   : to take care of him and we both work full time.



   : I feel pretty stressed today.  I wonder if occasional use of melatonin 

   : would be helpful for me?  I hadn't even heard of this substance before.



   : I am very much into herbs.  I even grow my own and make my own tinctures 

   : and teas whenever possible.  I prefer natural medicine over chemicals.



   : Any advice you can give will be appreciated.



           Cathy, for answers to frequently asked questions about melatonin, I

   refer you to: http://www.teleport.com/~jor

           JO



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   |       Jo Robinson              |            jor@teleport.com             |

   |      (503)284-4676                |     2826 NE 18th Portland, OR 97212    

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Jo, thanks for posting the FAQ sheet about melatonin. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:03:28 GMT



In article <194319Z22101995@anon.penet.fi>,

   an303538@anon.penet.fi (*mouse****~) wrote:



>Does anyone have info on taking melatonin for depression, either alone 

>or in combination with an antidepressant? What are the 

>contraindications?  Is is effective with only certain kinds of 

>depression?  Is it dangerous to use for depression? (I've heard of 

>someone going into a coma using melatonin but I don't know why.  And 

>the bottle warns of using for depression but I've heard of 

>psichiatrists prescribing it for this. )  Any info appreciated. Please 

>email me directly to above anon address.  Thanks in advance.  



The bottle warns of using it when you have a depressive disorder - 

and probably because depression affects brain chemistry.  Melatonin

affects brain chemistry ... and your depression can be made worse

with the melatonin.

It COULD (although I don't have any research here) either enhance or

block the effects of antidepressants, and that isn't good.  Talk to

the doctor who prescribed the antidepressants to see what they think.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: michaela@gauntlet.com (Michaela Grey)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:46:57 -0700



 I have just started taking Melatonin at 1.25mg per night for about a week

and guess what!  I noticed that I was feeling unusually depressed.  I am

not on any anti-depressives and have never been on any.  I feel that my

state of mind was directly linked to my use of Melatonin.  Any more

experiences like mine?



Grace



In article <46hhg2$5vs@nnrp2.news.primenet.com>, callie@writepage.com

(Callie) wrote:



> In article <194319Z22101995@anon.penet.fi>,

>    an303538@anon.penet.fi (*mouse****~) wrote:

> 

> >Does anyone have info on taking melatonin for depression, either alone 

> >or in combination with an antidepressant? What are the 

> >contraindications?  Is is effective with only certain kinds of 

> >depression?  Is it dangerous to use for depression? (I've heard of 

> >someone going into a coma using melatonin but I don't know why.  And 

> >the bottle warns of using for depression but I've heard of 

> >psichiatrists prescribing it for this. )  Any info appreciated. Please 

> >email me directly to above anon address.  Thanks in advance.  

> 

> The bottle warns of using it when you have a depressive disorder - 

> and probably because depression affects brain chemistry.  Melatonin

> affects brain chemistry ... and your depression can be made worse

> with the melatonin.

> It COULD (although I don't have any research here) either enhance or

> block the effects of antidepressants, and that isn't good.  Talk to

> the doctor who prescribed the antidepressants to see what they think.

> 

> 

> 

> Callie

> 

> Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

> http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: dockempf@ix.netcom.com (Michael C. Kempf )

Date: 27 Oct 1995 17:41:47 GMT



In <michaela-2410952146570001@sf-124.sfo.com> michaela@gauntlet.com

(Michaela Grey) writes: 

>

> I have just started taking Melatonin at 1.25mg per night for about a

week

>and guess what!  I noticed that I was feeling unusually depressed.  I

am

>not on any anti-depressives and have never been on any.  I feel that

my

>state of mind was directly linked to my use of Melatonin.  Any more

>experiences like mine?

>

>Grace



Grace---I had exactly the same experience taking 2.5mg of Source

Naturals sub-lingual M. I eventually quartered the tabs and just took

them with water, but was still depressed to the point that others

started noticing. I noticed that M was combined with Vit B-6 and

wondered if this compound might account for the depression. Any other

imput on this?



I am extremely intrigued by the potential of this hormone and don't

want to give it up. I have been considering taking 100 mcg of selenium

along with 3/4 mg of M nightly to see if that combo would cancel the

depression. Anyone ever tried this?

                           

                                       Mike Kempf DDS





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 10:30:38 -0400



I've been taking melatonin for a couple of months. It does not cause

depression for me. Most people make enough melatonin via their pineal

gland until they reach 45. As people age, melatonin diminishes. There are

two books recently published which are worth reading. "The Melatonin

Miracle" by Dr Pierpaoli tells you in chapter 14 how much melatonin to

take depending on your age. He relates stories of how melatonin has helped

people he knows, i.e., his mother-in-law's Parkinson disease, his friend's

macular degeneration, cases of cancer. Reicher's (sp?) book on melatonin

has a lot of data on melatonin. It is a good idea to read about any

supplement before taking it.  I take melatonin with chromium picolinate

1/2 before bedtime. I've noticed incipient colds, allergies, and sinus

infections disappear overnight.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: Wayne Pendley <waynep@tirebiter.com>

Date: 29 Oct 1995 16:32:26 GMT



The November 1995 issue of Consumer Reports Magazine has this to say 

about Melatonin (pg. 703) :



"Melatonin:  This year's craze.  Synthetic versions of this human hormone 

are said, by the more conservative promoters, to fight insomnia and jet 

lag.  The more daring proponents also claim that it can slow aging, fight 

disease, and enhance one's sex life.  The authors of several new books 

are spreading the word.



The hormone is produced during the night by the pineal gland at the base 

of the brain.  Studies have found that taking a fraction of a milligram 

can, in fact, hasten sleep;  the evidence for the other claims is weak, 

however .  Several pharmaceutical companies are hoping to turn melatonin 

into a prescription drug, but you can already buy melatonin in the store. 



The drawbacks:  No one knows the right dosage, the interactions with 

other drugs, or the long-term effects.  One brand lists extensive 

cautions, including warnings addressed to people with diabetes, 

depression, leukemia, epilepsy, or autoimmune diseases, and to women who 

are pregnant or nursing."



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Fwd: melatonin and depression?

From: Della Noche <dnoche@mail.wco.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 08:39:10 GMT



This is pretty gentle for Consumer Reports.  Usually they're incredibly 

nasty about vitamins, food supplements, herbs and the like - to a degree 

that really does diminish their credibility.  Well, good.



Della



Wayne Pendley <waynep@tirebiter.com> wrote:

>The November 1995 issue of Consumer Reports Magazine has this to say 

>about Melatonin (pg. 703) :

>

>"Melatonin:  This year's craze.  Synthetic versions of this human hormone 

>are said, by the more conservative promoters, to fight insomnia and jet 

>lag.  The more daring proponents also claim that it can slow aging, fight 

>disease, and enhance one's sex life.  The authors of several new books 

>are spreading the word.

>

>The hormone is produced during the night by the pineal gland at the base 

>of the brain.  Studies have found that taking a fraction of a milligram 

>can, in fact, hasten sleep;  the evidence for the other claims is weak, 

>however .  Several pharmaceutical companies are hoping to turn melatonin 

>into a prescription drug, but you can already buy melatonin in the store. 

>

>The drawbacks:  No one knows the right dosage, the interactions with 

>other drugs, or the long-term effects.  One brand lists extensive 

>cautions, including warnings addressed to people with diabetes, 

>depression, leukemia, epilepsy, or autoimmune diseases, and to women who 

>are pregnant or nursing."

>

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sepia Wanted

From: ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 14:39:30 -0700





Hi --

 

I'm looking for a source for sepia, a squid by-product.  If you sell, or

know of a seller, of this substance, please contact me via e-mail.

 

Thank you.

 

(Could someone cross-post this into misc.forsale.nutrition for me?  I 

can't get that newsgroup from this site -- Thanks).



                



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sepia Wanted

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:26 GMT



In article <46edmi$j8@amy8.Stanford.EDU>,

   ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer) wrote:



>I'm looking for a source for sepia, a squid by-product.  If you sell, or

>know of a seller, of this substance, please contact me via e-mail.



Stanford?  The best way to find it would be to call fish markets in the 

SF area .  Squid with a sauce made of their ink is a common Italian 

dish.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: callie@writepage.com

Subject: Re: Sepia Wanted

From: Brenda Beeley <mtimes@nbn.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 22:09:44 GMT



Hi,

I've just written an article in MENOTIMES on the use of Sepia, a 

homeopathic remedy for women's problems esp at Menopause.  What do you 

want the Sepia for?  Self-prescribing is not always the smartest thing 

to do.

Yours,

Brenda Beeley, L.Ac.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sepia Wanted

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:18:00 -0640



-> I'm looking for a source for sepia, a squid by-product.  If you sell,

-> or know of a seller, of this substance, please contact me via e-mail.

        Can't you simply purchase some whole frozen squid, clean them,

(they taste lovely battered and deep fryed) then extract the sepia from

the ink sac in those icky internal organs that you didn't want to eat

anyway? I should think that puncturing the ink sac with a pin while you

hold the squid guts in a sieve over a bowl ought to collect it nicely.

I've eaten lot's o' squid and they are real easy to clean with a pair of

sharp scizzors. Snip the cone open and separate it from the organs head

and tentacles. Cut the tentacles off at their bases, I don't like to eat

the eyeballs, myself so I'd be done at this point (trying to convince

the cat to eat the rest), but you would want to dissect the head a

little more and avail yourself of some squid ink.

                                          Bella



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pagan Pages!!!

From: Rabe.1@osu.edu (Lee Ann Rabe)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 22:49:11 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: canker sore troubles...

From: gardenbuff@aol.com (GardenBuff)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 19:33:17 -0400



does anyone know of an herb that will cure a canker sore in your mouth...?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: canker sore troubles...

From: johnpratt@aol.com (JohnPratt)

Date: 22 Oct 1995 23:28:51 -0400



This question pops up here alot.  



Here's two past reponses.  The 2nd seems to be the most popular solution.

I've let sublingual melatonin melt on one before and it healed up within

a day!  That canker sore is the last I can recall having since I started

using it.  



Before I started using melatonin, I noticed that using Listerine

frequently just as one is starting can stop it (most of the time).  Hope

this helps.





On Sun, 30 Jul 95 23:33:13 PST, jaguar@telerama.lm.com (Jaguar) wrote:



>Hi. I get a canker sore in my mouth maybe every other month. A sore will 

>last for two weeks, and makes it very painful to eat (especially spicy or



>acidic foods) and often even to talk. These are not herpes-type cold

sores, 

>but mouth ulcers, and not contagious.

>

>I think they tend to appear when I'm under stress or my immunity is

lowered 

>(if I'm catching a cold, etc.). A nutritionist at a local health store 

>recommended Lysine supplements, which I've been taking, but I haven't

seen 

>any improvement in the mouth ulcer I currently have. Does anyone have any



>advice or remedies to either lessen the pain or (preferably!) cure these 

>things or speed their healing? 



Allan,



Mouth ulcers/canker sores are a known symptom of undiagnosed celiac

disease. To give me some back up I looked up mouth ulcers in the Merck

manual. It said "Etiology is unknown, but several factors point toward a

localized immune reaction. Deficiencies of iron, vitamin B12 and folic

acid

increase susceptibility. Stress and local trauma are usually the

predominant precipitating factors." So I looked up the three deficiencies.



Under iron anemia etiology it says "The primary mechanism for Fe

deficiency, the most common cause of anemia, must always be considered to

be blood loss; in adults this is virtually the only possible mechanism."

Under "Other bases for anemia may be..." it does mention "upper

small-bowel

malabsorption syndromes". Despite the short thrift given by this section

of

the book, iron anemia is a very common symptom of undiagnosed celiac

disease and is so noted under celiac disease.



Under vitamin B12 (pernicious anemia), after a long list of other things,

it says "Less common causes of decreased B12 absorption include ...

malabsorption syndromes ...". It does refer to chart 93-6 where celiac

disease and sprue are listed in the Inadequate Absorption section.



On to Folic Acid. Here celiac disease gets top billing and the author

clearly links malabsorption to the atrophy of the intestinal mucosa and

the

chart says "esp. celiac disease, sprue".



I would strongly suggest getting tested for this condition.



Celiac disease, or gluten intolerance, can be screened for with a

combination of antigliadin (IgA & IgG) and endomysial antibody testing of

the blood. It is definitively tested for by a small bowel biopsy which can

be obtained by an endoscopist in the distal duodenum. The patient must be

consuming gluten at the time of the tests.



There is a gluten-free mailing list at <listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu> with

660+ members. To join, send a message to the listserv with SUB CELIAC

yourfirstname yourlastname in the body of the message. The FAQ can be

obtained by putting GET CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list

server. Even more info is available if GET NEWCEL PACKAGE is included. Log

files and other GETable documents also exist.



Here are some web pages:



http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Vegetarian/Orgs/VegSocUK/Info/gluten.html

http://www.netwave.net/members/pej/celiac.html

http://www.demon.co.uk/webguides/nutrition/diets/glutenfree/

http://www.princeton.edu/~lisas/gfpak.html             Gluten + Autism



Feel free to write if you have any questions.



Don, gluten-free in NYC <donwiss@bondcalc.com>



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From: smills1138@aol.com (SMills1138)

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Subject: Re: Canker Sores

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Powdered goldenseal root dabbed on the sore area of gum

and held there a bit, once or twice on day one, will usually

heal it in 24-48 hours. Warning: this powder is extremely

bitter. Not bad once you're used to it, but the first time

the experience can be overwhelmingly unpleasant.



sam



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: johnpratt@aol.com

Subject: Re: canker sore troubles...

From: tempie nichols <tempie@netplus.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:34:24 GMT



There is an herb called melissa, or lemon balm, that helped me greatly 

with only one application.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: canker sore troubles...

From: aost@.flemingc.on.ca (Anne Ost)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 19:27:30 GMT





GardenBuff (gardenbuff@aol.com) wrote:

: does anyone know of an herb that will cure a canker sore in your mouth...?



Buck Bean (common names) bogbean, bog myrtle brook bean marsh clover, 

marsh trefoil, moonflower, trefoil, water shamrock.

medicinal part is the leaves..make a strong tea and gargle for 30 secs.



Hope this helps



Annie 



-- 

"Through the dark portals of           *  A. Ost

 time it is the exchange of            *  aost@knet2.flemingc.on.ca

 ideas, which bring light..."





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Arthritis; Any herbs calm pain?

From: GHSM54A@prodigy.com (Frank Cigarroa)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 02:18:55 GMT



I am progressively suffering from Arthritis and am interested if anyone

has any herbal home remedies that can calm the pain? Any help will

be appreciated.



-

  Frank Cigarroa  GHSM54A@prodigy.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis; Any herbs calm pain?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:50:42 



In article: <46eu2f$139a@usenetp1.news.prodigy.com>  GHSM54A@prodigy.com 

(Frank Cigarroa) writes:

> 

> I am progressively suffering from Arthritis and am interested if anyone

> has any herbal home remedies that can calm the pain? Any help will

> be appreciated.



I understand that a herb called "Devils Claw" is very good for arthritus 

sufferers. sorry I don't know any US suppliers byt it is easily available in 

the UK.





Graham



 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: GHSM54A@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: Arthritis; Any herbs calm pain?

From: tempie nichols <tempie@netplus.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:26:26 GMT



Have you tried yucca?  It's a very old time remedy.  There's also been 

relief from swelling with bromelaine from pineapple, glucosamine sulfate, 

aloe vera juice, essential fatty acids, and combination products.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis; Any herbs calm pain?

From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 04:39:21 GMT



GHSM54A@prodigy.com (Frank Cigarroa) wrote:



>I am progressively suffering from Arthritis...

> Any help will be appreciated.



Frank, Have you considered BVT (Bee Venom Therpy)?

A lot of MS stricken people use it and its supposed to be 

good for arthritis too.    Find a local beekeeper and ask

questions.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbalism and Natural Practitioning.

From: Krystopher Marentette <marentb@server.uwindsor.ca>

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for Cleaning Intest

From: wita@inferno.com

Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 22:12:45 PST





===========================================================================

Subj: Herbs for Cleaning Intest      Conf: (77) alt.herbs

---------------------------------------------------------------------------



IN>Which herbs would be good for cleaning out the intestines?

IN>or possibly removing blockage from the colon?



Try Hops..   I believe that there are others, but this is the One I

remember from when I had Colitius.



B*B

---

  SLMR 2.0  Religion without heart is enslavement.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Cleaning Intest

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:39:14 -0800



On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 wita@inferno.com wrote:



> 

> ===========================================================================

> Subj: Herbs for Cleaning Intest      Conf: (77) alt.herbs

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

> 

> IN>Which herbs would be good for cleaning out the intestines?

> IN>or possibly removing blockage from the colon?

> 

> Try Hops..   I believe that there are others, but this is the One I

> remember from when I had Colitius.

> 

> B*B

> ---

>   SLMR 2.0  Religion without heart is enslavement.

> 

> 

Also, Alder leaf tea is fantastic.  Rather explosive, but it works!!!



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for Cleaning Intest

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 14:26:52 GMT



Also try Cat's Claw. Dr. Brent Davis calls it the "opener 

of the way" which has the power to reverse deep seated 

pathology, especially in bowel disorders.



Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group

The Cat's Claw page:

http://www.bga.com/directsource





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cold Sores (banana skin cure)

From: nick@manuel.adm.qut.edu.au (Nick Douglas)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:30 +1000



In article <917470.171739947@pop.com>, p_iannone@pop.com wrote:



> In message ID <462gvf$et7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> on 10/18/95, HERB YOURS

> wrote:

> 

> : I have found for me the moment I start having that feeling..... I take

> : acidophillous (probably not the right  spelling) You know those little

> : buggers that are suppose to live naturally in your gut.

> 

> Won't work for 'cold sores' (herpes outbreaks) AT ALL. 

> 

> May work for apthae (mouth sores).

> 

> --Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

> --

Dear Paul



   I have `cured' my oral cold sores. I stopped an outbreak in its tracks

when I should have become a festering mess. And for the last two months

when I should have had more attacks I haven't had any, not even a tingle,

even when i've gotten ordinary mouth ulcers, inside my mouth.



   As soon as I got `that feeling' ( a swelling and a tingling) I applied

the inside surface of a banana skin and held it on my lips for up to an

hour. Somtimes I would have to repeat the process again in an hour. The

banana skin has to be fresh and you may have to apply new bits every now

and then. It may be boring and unattractive but so are cold sores and I

was sick anyway so spent the time with the banana's watching the teev and

reading. Basically every time you feel it about to happen, reach for a

banana. It did take me a few persistent days of this, spread over a couple

of weeks.



   I don't know if this will work for other herpes. It may. Banana skin

changes the pH of the skin (to alkaline) which makes it difficult for the

virus to reproduce. This was used by a herbal friend of mine to get rid of

warts, which is a similar viral-skin-swelling-number. Gold is also meant

to work, but more expensive. Tea tree oil does too apparently, but makes

the skin acid so you shouldn't mix the two. 



   I also used an anti-viral for some of the treatment, but it was rarely

effective, and gave it up and continued with the banana which worked!

Woo-hoo!



   good health

   nick@manuel.adm.qut.edu.au



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: burn treatment  was: Alo Vera

From: ddawson@gamera.syr.edu (Dick Dawson)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 07:07:58 GMT



Cheryl E. <erickso1@freenet.calgary.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Ron Myers wrote:



>> I bought a jug of Alo Vera juice at a health food store once and

>> it was supposed to be a good stomach medicine.  My wife was afraid

>> of it and threw it out.  It seems most people think it is not

>> suitable for internal use.

>(text deleted)

>

>From the books which I am reading they say Aloe vera is not suitable

>for internal use and the only uses are for burns (not serious) and

>to make a moisturizing cream which is suitable for dry skin.

>

>Cheryl



I took a substantial set of second degree hot water burn one time. 

Big blisters.  I tried aloe, commercial gel and home plant extract. 

Made it all hurt much worse.  :(



Best I could do was 2 layers of saran wrap.  Coat, cover, retain

water, provide lubrication so clothes would not irritate the burns.



I like lanolin for dry skin.



Dick

ddawson@mailbox.syr.edu

http://web.syr.edu/~ddawson



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cockroaches

From: jheider@aol.com (JHEIDER)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 07:07:48 -0400



The New York Times reports that the osage orange or hedge apple common in

the midwestern states gets rid of cockroaches. Also reported good for

spiders and crickets in the basement. 

JHeider



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cockroaches

From: rgaudet@facstaff.wisc.edu (Robert George Audet)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:55:47 -0500



In article <46ft24$7r8@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, jheider@aol.com (JHEIDER) wrote:



> The New York Times reports that the osage orange or hedge apple common in

> the midwestern states gets rid of cockroaches. Also reported good for

> spiders and crickets in the basement. 

> JHeider



Thanks! I have a trying time with spiders at this time of the year in the

Midwest. Are there any recommendations on how to use these products? Are

they used as essential oils, infusions, dry herbs?

Thanks,



Robert



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Don Quang?

From: hck1@cornell.edu (LC Krakowka)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:53:17 -0500



   

Hi-



I'm in the process of reseraching Don Quang for my Mother. I'm looking

through the FAQ and searching books. Any information any of you could

provide would be very welcome.



Thanks.



Lisa



ps. anyone know how long it takes Comfrey root  to dry? I just dug up some

this weekend and want to use it in soap. Thanks again...



-- 

LC Krakowka/hck1@cornell.edu

"A horse! A horse! My Kingdom for a horse!"

http://krakowka.cit.cornell.edu/hpage/lisa.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Don Quang?

From: hck1@cornell.edu (LC Krakowka)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:30:46 -0500



In article <hck1-2310950853170001@krakowka.cit.cornell.edu>,

hck1@cornell.edu (LC Krakowka) wrote:



>    

> Hi-

> 

> I'm in the process of reseraching Don Quang for my Mother.



My mistake. I mis-read the name. What I'm really looking for is Dong Quai.

(oops)



Lisa



-- 

LC Krakowka/hck1@cornell.edu

"A horse! A horse! My Kingdom for a horse!"

http://krakowka.cit.cornell.edu/hpage/lisa.html



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Don Quang?

From: ling@wakeling.com (Ling)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:04:27 -0700



In article <hck1-2310951430460001@krakowka.cit.cornell.edu>,

hck1@cornell.edu (LC Krakowka) wrote:

:  In article <hck1-2310950853170001@krakowka.cit.cornell.edu>,

:  hck1@cornell.edu (LC Krakowka) wrote:

:  > Hi-

:  > I'm in the process of reseraching Don Quang for my Mother.

:  My mistake. I mis-read the name. What I'm really looking for is Dong Quai.

:  (oops)

:  Lisa



Hi Lisa,

   Dong Quai has more than one spelling.  I'm looking at a book by Ron

Teeguarden entitled "Chinese Tonic Herbs" (ISBN 0-87040-551-9) that lists

it as Tang Kuei (Radix Angelicae sinensis).  I'm not sure what kind of

information you're looking for for your mother, but this book has a fair

amount of information.

   I have some books out on loan right now, so I can't give you a longer

list of books.  I'll recommend Michael Tierra for sound information, and

Linda Page Rector (sp?), too.

   Hope you find the needed information...



-- 

     To your heart's desire, Ling



          Ling@wakeling.com

...fire and sleet and candle-light...



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs in general

From: littlepua@aol.com (Little Pua)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 10:08:18 -0400



Can anyone tell me if there is a newsgroup for herbs in general? I am

looking for culture imformation on all types of herbs besides medicinal

imformation. 



Little Pua

Nashville



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lemongrass

From: littlepua@aol.com (Little Pua)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 10:10:19 -0400



Does anyone know how hardy lemongrass is... how low can the temp. go

before I need to dig it up? Any culture imformation would be greatly

appreciated.



Little Pua

Nashville

Zone 6



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lemongrass

From: Critical.Mass@hunter.shore.net (Critical Mass)

Date: 23 Oct 95 22:15:32



Dig this, All!





 LP> Does anyone know how hardy lemongrass is... how low can the temp. go

 LP> before I need to dig it up? Any culture imformation would be greatly

 LP> appreciated.



        Two sources: Try the local book store in the gardening section

 (mayhaps herbs specifically?), or a science store for the "plants of

 North America" field guides.



 Ciao!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lemongrass

From: conrad@richters.com (Conrad Richter)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 01:44:34 EDT



littlepua@aol.com (Little Pua) writes:



> Does anyone know how hardy lemongrass is... how low can the temp. go

> before I need to dig it up? Any culture imformation would be greatly

> appreciated.



I am guessing: about zone 9-10.  Definitely won't survive zone 6. 



Conrad Richter



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Has anyone heard of Maythorn??

From: trisk@mars.superlink.net (Alan Kantor)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:18:01 GMT



        I once heard mention of an herb called MAYTHORN. I suspect it may be a 

british folkname for a briar rose but I would really like some confirmation.

        Has anyone heard of this herb? 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Maythorn??

From: cstewart@jaxnet.com

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 01:28:10 GMT



On 23 Oct 1995 17:18:01 GMT, trisk@mars.superlink.net (Alan Kantor)

wrote:



>S<     I once heard mention of an herb called MAYTHORN. I suspect it may be a 

>S<british folkname for a briar rose but I would really like some confirmation.

>S<     Has anyone heard of this herb? 

>S<



Never heard of it, but you may be referring to hawthorn, which down

here in north Florida we call mayapple.

- - -



"The wise talk because they have something to say.

 Fools talk because they have to say something." Plato 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Maythorn??

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:11:50 GMT



cstewart@jaxnet.com wrote:

>On 23 Oct 1995 17:18:01 GMT, trisk@mars.superlink.net (Alan Kantor)

>wrote:

>

>>S<    I once heard mention of an herb called MAYTHORN. I suspect it may be a 

>>S<british folkname for a briar rose but I would really like some confirmation.

>>S<    Has anyone heard of this herb? 

>>S<

>

>Never heard of it, but you may be referring to hawthorn, which down

>here in north Florida we call mayapple.

<snip>



Got to love those regional herb names. In Pennsylvania, we have a small 

woodland plant called mayapple which looks like a small umbrella. It 

produces a delicious smelling flower in May, and a tart and delicious 

tasting fruit in August-September. The rest of the plant and the unripe 

fruit are highly emetic. Also terribly bitter, which I can personally 

attest to, having tasted one fruit that still had a bit of green in one 

end. So unless you're really into self hatred, you're not likely to get 

enough of it into your system to poison you. This kind of mayapple is 

currently being researched as a cancer medication due to one of its 

compounds, podophyllum, which is believed to carry some anti-mutagenic 

potential. Definitely has some anti-lunch potential, which would probably 

put it right up there with the other chemo agents...

We actually have hawthorn trees, too. We call them hawthorn trees. Never 

have heard of Maythorn though-- what does it look like?

Liz



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Maythorn??

From: Diana Dills <ddills@u.washington.edu>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:59:59 -0700



Hawthorne is also called Mayhaw, and is a thorny tree that usually 

flowers on or around Beltaine, or May Day.  I strongly suspect, and think 

I have read, but don't have the cite, that Maythorn is Hawthorn.  A book

on English folklore and customs would probably have a section on tree and

herb lore.



DIANA DILLS





On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 cstewart@jaxnet.com wrote:



> On 23 Oct 1995 17:18:01 GMT, trisk@mars.superlink.net (Alan Kantor)

> wrote:

> 

> >S<   I once heard mention of an herb called MAYTHORN. I suspect it may be a 

> >S<british folkname for a briar rose but I would really like some confirmation

.

> >S<   Has anyone heard of this herb? 

> >S<

> 

> Never heard of it, but you may be referring to hawthorn, which down

> here in north Florida we call mayapple.

> - - -

> 

> "The wise talk because they have something to say.

>  Fools talk because they have to say something." Plato 

> 

> 

> 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need help on Project Dill

From: rl@ix.netcom.com (Raymond J. Land, The West Company)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:28:41 GMT



My 5th grade daughter has a project on writing a paper of using Dill as 

a spice. We are unable to find a sufficient amount of information on 

this herb.

Do you have any suggestions?



Thanks



Ray



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help on Project Dill

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:54:55 GMT



 Might try looking in a Swedish or Norwegian cookbook.. Scandinavian 

cooking uses a lot of dill. So does Russian, for that matter. Have fun!

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need help on Project Dill

From: trish@cosmos.sleeper.apana.org.au (Patricia Ziliani)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:57:50 GMT



 

In article <46gjc9$8hm@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, Raymond J. Land, The West Company

 (rl@ix.netcom.com) writes:

>My 5th grade daughter has a project on writing a paper of using Dill as 

>a spice. We are unable to find a sufficient amount of information on 

>this herb.

>Do you have any suggestions?

>

>Thanks

>

>Ray

>

References to Dill have been found in ancient Egyption tombs, as

physicians used it. Mostly as a digestive aid as we do now. Dill is

easy to grow, is an annual  very attractive with umbrella shaped

heads of  gold flowers.It be sown from spring thought to Autumn. In

warm climates it will grow all year round. It is of the family of

Umbelliferae (as is the carrot ) Both seeds and leaves can be used.



Dill water is made by soaking  1 oz bruised dill seeds with 1 pint

of cold water for about 6 hours then sweeten to taste with honey. 

One tablespoon for adults and 1 teaspoon to children to relieve

indigestion. 



The seeds are gathered when they are a dark mauve to brown

colour.Store in sealed jars until required.



Dill contains potassium, sodium, sulphur and phosphorus and has a

slightly metallic taste.



European cooks like to use the leaves in dishes such as  goulash.

Crab and lobster meat goes very well with dill. It is sometimes

found in Scandinavian dishes to aid the digestion of raw

vegetables such as coleslaw.



If your daughter would like some recipes then you may like to e mail

me privately.



Good to see kids doing projects on something that will be of use

to them when they leave school!



Patricia Ziliani

Mt. Hunter N.S.W. Australia





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Newbe Question

From: exutlb@exu.ericsson.se (Tim Baughman)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:29:36 GMT



A friend of mine gave me some food supliments to take.

The supliment is called Vital Green made by Futurebiotics.

The pills contain Spirulina and Chlorella as well as raw juice 

concentrates of alfalfa, barley, and wheat grass. My question is 

what will it do for me? I already take a multiple vitamin. 



Please let me know.....



Thanks

Tim



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbe Question

From: tempie nichols <tempie@netplus.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:54:24 GMT



The product you have is a concentrated food supplement.  It is made from 

foods that are known to have high concentrations of nutrients in them, as 

opposed to the vitamins & minerals you are taking that probably had the 

nutrients either synthesized or extracted from foods.  There is a theory 

that taking vitamins with foods (or concentrated food supplements like 

the Futurbiotics product you mentioned) helps you get the best use from 

them....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbe Question

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:29 GMT



In article <46gje0$bou@cnn.exu.ericsson.se>,

   exutlb@exu.ericsson.se (Tim Baughman) wrote:



>A friend of mine gave me some food supliments to take.

>The supliment is called Vital Green made by Futurebiotics.

>The pills contain Spirulina and Chlorella as well as raw juice 

>concentrates of alfalfa, barley, and wheat grass. My question is 

>what will it do for me? I already take a multiple vitamin. 





Probably not much ... you would be better off just eating more

fresh vegetables and fruit.



Callie



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http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Newbe Question

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:19:45 GMT



callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:

>In article <46gje0$bou@cnn.exu.ericsson.se>,

>   exutlb@exu.ericsson.se (Tim Baughman) wrote:



>>A friend of mine gave me some food supliments to take.

>>The supliment is called Vital Green made by Futurebiotics.

>>The pills contain Spirulina and Chlorella as well as raw juice 

>>concentrates of alfalfa, barley, and wheat grass. My question is 

>>what will it do for me? I already take a multiple vitamin. 



>Probably not much ... you would be better off just eating more

>fresh vegetables and fruit.

<snip>

Agreed-- the other thing to be aware of is that alfalfa has been recently 

discovered to deplete your body's supply of certain nutrients (B 

vitamins? I can't recall) and may also be carcinogenic... My source was 

initially Mother Earth News from sometime this summer, and then I also 

heard it on the nightly med report on the idiot box. They were quoting 

actual researchers, and not a magazine. Might be worth checking into 

before you take any more. They didn't seem to feel that having some 

sprouts on your salad was such a bad thing, but taking it in concentrated 

form for a long period of time was a problem.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: To prevent winter colds, Grandma used to give us . . .

From: January Seitz <JanS%fishgame@state.ak.us>

Date: 23 Oct 1995 19:58:40 GMT



"Rabbit tobacco" (Gnaphalium polycephalum) to smoke or chew.  Do you know where 

else 

it grows besides the Ozark Mountains?  What other names it might go by?  What el

se 

it might be used for?  It's a little silvery gray and brown colored weed (after 

frost) about 18" tall, with a herbal fragrance.  If you tear a leaf in two, it h

as 

cottony fibers inside.



any info will be appreciated . . .



jans%fishgame@state.ak.us





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To prevent winter colds, Grandma used to give us . . .

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:26:13 GMT



In <46gs5g$9ba@java.state.ak.us> January Seitz

<JanS%fishgame@state.ak.us> writes: 

>

>"Rabbit tobacco" (Gnaphalium polycephalum) to smoke...[snip]



I have a very hard time believing that inhaling carbon monoxide will

help prevent/cure a cold, but I'm always willing to learn. Maybe this

tobacco has something special about it, but at the same time,

properties of anything get weakened when burnt.



Can anyone back up this person's claim?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To prevent winter colds, Grandma used to give us . . .

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 08:19:55 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:

>In <46gs5g$9ba@java.state.ak.us> January Seitz

><JanS%fishgame@state.ak.us> writes: 

>>

>>"Rabbit tobacco" (Gnaphalium polycephalum) to smoke...[snip]

>

>I have a very hard time believing that inhaling carbon monoxide will

>help prevent/cure a cold, but I'm always willing to learn. Maybe this

>tobacco has something special about it, but at the same time,

>properties of anything get weakened when burnt.

>

>Can anyone back up this person's claim?

>

I haven't heard of Gnaphalium polycephalum, but a traditional use of 

Mullein (Verbascum thapsus) is to smoke the leaves &/or root for 

respiratory problems and asthma.  My father, who would never smoke 

anything else, swears by it!



Deb





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: To prevent winter colds, Grandma used to give us . . .

From: cookliwj@cnsvax.uwec.edu

Date: 25 Oct 95 17:58:35 -0600



In article <46j435$c88@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin

 ) writes:

> In <46gs5g$9ba@java.state.ak.us> January Seitz

> <JanS%fishgame@state.ak.us> writes: 

>>

>>"Rabbit tobacco" (Gnaphalium polycephalum) to smoke...[snip]

> 

> I have a very hard time believing that inhaling carbon monoxide will

> help prevent/cure a cold, but I'm always willing to learn. Maybe this

> tobacco has something special about it, but at the same time,

> properties of anything get weakened when burnt.

> 

> Can anyone back up this person's claim?

> 





Just because someone's grandma says so don't make it so. My father-in-law used

to smoke menthol cigarettes when he got a cold or sore throat. The pharmacy in

that town sold "Athasmador Cigarettes" for folks with athasma in the late 60's,

and I mean 1960's.



Bill



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: mrh5a@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (mrhb)

Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:55:23 GMT





Does anyone know of an herb that is helpful for an overactive

thyroid gland?  



Grateful for any info you can provide,



Mary



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 02:41:06 GMT



In article <DGx64B.192@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,

mrh5a@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (mrhb) wrote:



> Does anyone know of an herb that is helpful for an overactive

> thyroid gland?  

> 

> Grateful for any info you can provide,

> 

> Mary





Not exactly. I have an underactive thyroid and I am told to avoid soy

products and cruciferous veggies (cabbage, broccoli, etc) .



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: cstewart@jaxnet.com

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:16:44 GMT



On 25 Oct 1995 02:41:06 GMT, jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin) wrote:



>S<In article <DGx64B.192@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,

>S<mrh5a@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (mrhb) wrote:

>S<

>S<> Does anyone know of an herb that is helpful for an overactive

>S<> thyroid gland?  

>S<> 

>S<> Grateful for any info you can provide,

>S<> 

>S<> Mary

>S<

>S<

>S<Not exactly. I have an underactive thyroid and I am told to avoid soy

>S<products and cruciferous veggies (cabbage, broccoli, etc) .

>S<

>S<Julia



You are right. My herbals emphasize

broccoli,cabbage,kale,peaches,pears,

soybeans,spinach and cauliflower to

reduce the production of thyroxine in

treating hyperthyroidism.

- - -



"The wise talk because they have something to say.

 Fools talk because they have to say something." Plato 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: greenopal@aol.com (GreenOpal)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 14:27:25 -0400



Does anyone know of a herb that will work for an UNDERactive thyroid? I

suspect that my fiance has an underactive thyroid, but his health

insurance doesn't kick in until December... He suddenly gained 115 pounds

over a period of a year and a half. He previously had had no problem

maintaining his weight, didn't yo-yo diet. He also seems to think his hair

is falling out (none of the men in his family are bald, regardless of

age-- and my fiance is only 25). I think he is also cold all the time--

he'll come in from outside and wear his coat in the house for hours (BUGS

the hell out me!). Has dry skin in some areas (hands, arms), but not in

the face.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: jkl@slip.net (Julia K. Larkin)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 02:36:39 GMT



In article <46lvid$se0@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, greenopal@aol.com

(GreenOpal) wrote:



> Does anyone know of a herb that will work for an UNDERactive thyroid? I

> suspect that my fiance has an underactive thyroid



snip.



Yup. Definitely sounds like a possibility. I am told to take iodine. Also,

I heard to take the actual freeze dried thyroid gland as a supplement but

I haven't tried that one. Also, my nutritionist recommended limiting soy,

and cruciferous veggies (cabbage, broccoli, etc) which, as a vegan I find

very difficult to do.



FYI, he may be able to find a sliding scale clinic or some other

inexpensive way to have the blood test, and my thyroid meds (generic) cost

under $6 a month



I would recommend he get checked out as soon as possible, because if he

does have an underactive thyroid it is likely to be affecting his immune

system as well.



Julia



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: phall@primenet.com (Peggy Hall)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 22:56:39 GMT



GreenOpal (greenopal@aol.com) wrote:

: Does anyone know of a herb that will work for an UNDERactive thyroid? I





Kelp and natural iodine (from health food store ONLY).



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb for Thyroid Problem?

From: karlhank@xmission.com (Karl Hancock)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:19:47 GMT



Saw Palmetto can be useful for a thyroid deficiency.



----------------------

Karl ....  Nature's Source:  Information, discount herbs and vitamins

http://www.xmission.com/~natures

natures@xmission.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Skullcap, Mad Dog Weed, Dong Quai ???

From: smakk@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (John Latino)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 14:46:27 -0700



Hello! Out here in California, there is a soda sold in some specialty stores 

and coffee shops called "Brainwash Soda". It's a spicy concoction of 

carbonated water, sugar, lots of caffeine, ma huang, gingko, ginseng, 

yohimbe, and three herbs which I cannot identify.



Does anybody know what these herbs are and what they do?

They are:



Skullcap

Mad Dog Weed

Dong Quai



Thanks for any info at all.



-John



-- 

JOHN LATINO      | Where can you find a Virtual Slot Machine and 

smakk@kaiwan.com | my ex-girlfriend selling her lingerie?  

                 | Try http://www.kaiwan.com/~smakk  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Skullcap, Mad Dog Weed, Dong Quai ???

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 08:15:43 GMT



In article <46h2fj$pja@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>,

   smakk@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (John Latino) wrote:

>

>Skullcap

>Mad Dog Weed

>Dong Quai

John,



Mad Dog Weed is another name for Skullcap.





*****************************************************************************

Howie B

C&W Herbs, Inc.

Eugene, Or USA



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

*****************************************************************************



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Skullcap, Mad Dog Weed, Dong Quai ???

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 13:22:03 GMT



Jeez... with a drink like that, I'd think they added in the skullcap to 

keep your head from exploding. It's a sedative.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Skullcap, Mad Dog Weed, Dong Quai ???

From: smakk@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (John Latino)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:29:38 -0700



In article <46ip9r$a80@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> w

rites:

>Jeez... with a drink like that, I'd think they added in the skullcap to 

>keep your head from exploding. It's a sedative.

>Liz

>



Yes, it's a pretty explosive drink. Lotsa fun to down a couple of 'em & then 

go out dancing. Now that I know that skullcap's just a sedative, I feel a 

little relieved- that name kinda scared me.



-John



-- 

JOHN LATINO      | Where can you find a Virtual Slot Machine and 

smakk@kaiwan.com | my ex-girlfriend selling her lingerie?  

                 | Try http://www.kaiwan.com/~smakk  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Skullcap, Mad Dog Weed, Dong Quai ???

From: greenopal@aol.com (GreenOpal)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 14:21:15 -0400





In article <46h2fj$pja@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com>,

   smakk@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (John Latino) wrote:

>

>Skullcap

>Mad Dog Weed

>Dong Quai



Dong Quai is an emmenagogue and oxytocic-- it stimulates menustration and

uterine contractions. Pregnant women should not take it. I don't know what

sort of effect it might have on men. I seem to remember reading that some

constituent of dong quai has a very similar  molecular shape to estrogen,

close enough that it can bond to estrogen receptors in the body....



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: braune@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Alan Braun)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 14:50:15 -0700



Hi,



I'm looking for herbs, vitmains, minerals that can help bring down

high blood pressure. i've heard that Magnesium/Calcium Citrate or Chelate,

or Taurate is effective.  What's the difference between the three?



Anyone who can send or post info on this would be most appreciated.



..eric

-- 

    _\\|//_

      o o      There's no such thing as failure - there's only results

--uuu--U--uuu-----

      \_/

------------------------------------------------------------------

Open Your Heart Today - Don't Wait for a Surgeon to do it for You!

------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: itype@aol.com (Itype)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 13:19:58 -0400



Some excellent blood pressure controllers: garlic in any way, shape or

form. Also, hawthorne, in capsule or tea form is very good in normalizing

blood pressure. Hope this helps.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: Debbe Halavik <dch@ids.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 11:59:12 GMT



As a Life Plus rep, I recently did some research on calcium supplements 

and will post just the section on hypertension.  



***Disclaimer************************************************************



The information presented below was found at various locations on the

Internet and is provided only for informational purposes. It is not

intended to be medical or nutritional advice.  Any changes you may make 

to your diet or intake of supplements should be discussed first with your

doctor!



Permission to use information is granted by 17 U.S.C. 102(b), 103 

Permission to use information is granted by 17 U.S.C. 105 



*************************************************************************



Calcium plays an important role in many bodily functions but is 

especially important to prevent osteoporosis and as outlined in the 

"National Institutes of Health Consensus Development Conference 

Statement", held on June 6-8, 1994, the possible role of calcium intake 

for the prevention of other illnesses including bone diseases, oral bone 

loss, colon cancer and hypertension has been addressed in a number of 

publications.





Hypertension



A Family Circle magazine article (July 18, 1995 v108 n10 p36(3)) reported 

that studies have been done where even a small increase in dietary 

calcium can help control blood pressure without medication.  A 13-year 

study by James H. Dwyer, PhD., Associate Professor of Prevention Medicine 

at the University of Southern California found that those who consumed 

1,000 mg of calcium per day reduced their risk of developing hypertension 

by 12% if they were over age 40 and by as much as 25% for those under 40.



Another study performed by the University of Texas Southwestern Medical

School, and reported in the American Journal of the Medical Sciences

(294(4):219-24, 1987 Oct)  showed the effects of 800mg of elemental

calcium per day (calcium carbonate or calcium citrate) on blood pressure

as compared with a placebo in a controlled randomized, crossover,

double-blinded trial involving 16 patients with uncomplicated primary

hypertension.  The results of that study showed that those patients 

taking the calcium carbonate had a "standing" mean blood pressure 

increase average of .5 mm Hg, while those taking calcium citrate fell an 

average of 2.2 mm Hg.  The patients receiving the placebo had an average 

increase of 5.7 mm Hg.  The "sitting" mean pressures averaged +1.9 mm Hg 

on the placebo, -0.4 mm Hg on the calcium carbonate and -0.4 mm Hg on the 

calcium citrate.  It is important to note though that while some of  the 

patients had decreases, others had increases. The study concluded that 

patients should not be routinely prescribed calcium supplements strictly 

for hypertension and if calcium is prescribed, the patients blood 

pressure should be monitored.



The NIH Conference Statement (mentioned above) also addressed the role of

calcium in hypertension stating that there has been a considerable number

of studies done of this link and it also does not recommend increased

calcium strictly for the prevention of hypertension.  The studies it

reviewed did show that a subgroup of individuals respond to calcium

supplementation (e.g. a reduction in systolic blood pressure with no

effect on diastolic blood pressure), but stressed additional information

is needed to identify subpopulations that may be effected.



*************************************************************************



I uncovered alot of other information like: (a) how certain foods can

interfer with calcium absorption, (b) that some kinds of calcium need 

gastric acid and others don't, (c) that vitamin D is essential for

absorption, etc.  If you'd like the full report, as well as the Life Plus 

complete product information sheet on CalMag Plus, please email me at 

dch@ids.net.





Debbe Halavik

Life Plus PIN#160,560

Life Plus Orders 1-800-572-8446



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: nowak@comm.mot.com (Mark Nowak)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:06:40 GMT



In article <46h2mn$mu1@elaine33.stanford.edu>,

Eric Alan Braun <braune@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I'm looking for herbs, vitmains, minerals that can help bring down

>high blood pressure. i've heard that Magnesium/Calcium Citrate or Chelate,

>or Taurate is effective.  What's the difference between the three?

>

>Anyone who can send or post info on this would be most appreciated.



I also would be interested.  And does anyone know of any natural non-prescriptio

n

beta blockers?

-- 

Mark Nowak                   Chicago, Illinois

Motorola, Inc.           

nowak@comm.mot.com

http://www.geopages.com/Paris/1092/       



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: brighid@ux2.accesscom.net (brighid)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:40:39 GMT



In article <46h2mn$mu1@elaine33.Stanford.EDU>,

   braune@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Alan Braun) wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I'm looking for herbs, vitmains, minerals that can help bring down

>high blood pressure. i've heard that Magnesium/Calcium Citrate or Chelate,

>or Taurate is effective.  What's the difference between the three?

>

>Anyone who can send or post info on this would be most appreciated.

>

>...eric



Have you been evaluated by a physician for your high blood pressure?  Or did 

you take your blood pressure yourself and note that it was high?  There are 

different types of high blood pressure and while there are certain herbs and 

mineral supplements that can be PART of a regimen to lower blood pressure 

safely and correctly, it is also possible to injure yourself further by doing 

so without any medical knowledge of your condition or the actions of the 

supplements you choose to use.



Also please keep in mind that unless you have recently had a medical work-up 

for your condition, there is no way of knowing if your high blood pressure is 

the result of another condition you may have which may complicate things even 

more.  High blood pressure is often the result of stress on the body from 

other disease the body is fighting, such as diabetes mellitus.  If not 

causative, there are frequent occasions when these and other diseases can go 

hand in hand with high blood pressure.  This is why you should see your doctor 

first.



If you have been evaluated and are simply looking for an alternative to the 

prescription medications that are routinely dispensed for high blood pressure, 

there ARE herbal and other therapeutic alternatives.  Have you tried hypnosis 

to lower stress levels?  If your high blood pressure is stress-induced this 

may be helpful in getting your blood pressure under control.  Biofeedback has 

worked for some people with high blood pressure.  Acupuncture and/or 

acupressure has worked for others.  Applied nutritionists recommend increasing 

 your intake of dairy products, although I am not an appied nutritionist so I 

do not know why, but they also recommend avoiding alcohol (sound advice there) 

as well as meat, nuts, chocolate, white sugar and fatty foods.



My copy of _The Manual of Natural Therapy_ (Citadel Press) recommends using 

the following basic vitamin/mineral supplements as well:

500 IU Vitamin A                        600 IU Vitamin E

400 IU Vitamin D                        4000 mg Vitamin C

100 mg Vitamin B-15                     50 mg niacinamide

50 mg Vitamin B-1                       1000 mg pantothenic acid

50 mg Vitamin B-2                       300 mcg folic acid

100 mg Vitamin B-6                      100 mcg biotin

500 mcg Vitamin B-12



It further states that the following minerals should be added in the form of 

amino acid minerals chelated:

500 mg calcium                          50 mg zinc

100 mg phosphorus                       90 mg potassium

15 mg iron                              30 mg manganese

200 mcg chromium                        200 mcg iodine

200 mg magnesium                        100 mcg selenium

3 mg copper                             50 mcg molybdenum



I have never used this formulation, as I do not have high blood pressure, so I 

cannot give any personal success or failure stories about the above 

suggestions.  However, I think before taking any of these you should make sure 

your body is tolerant of all of them.  I personally get mouth ulcers when I 

take dosages of vitamin c half as high as mentioned above; however, my mother 

can take five times that amount and not experience any problem.  My 

grandmother is allergic to iodine so this formula would be troublesome for her 

and she would break out in hives.  Are you allergic to iodine?  If you've ever 

reacted to seafood by breaking out in itchy hives then don't take an iodine 

supplement.  The rest of the ingredients seem to be the same ones found in 

good vitamin supplements.  Compare labels and try to find a vitamin supplement 

that includes all of these rather than buying each one individually - it'll 

save you money.



As far as herbs, the same book, _The Manual of Natural Therapy_, lists these:

Lime blossom: For treating hypertension associateed with arteriosclerosis and 

anxiety, take an infusion.  Pour one cup of boiling water onto one teaspoon of 

the dried flowers; leave to infuse ten minutes, filter, and drink.



Hawthorn berries, lime blossom, and yarrow:  A mixture of all, in equal parts, 

may prove effective.



Garlic:  Eat for a few months (Kyolic is o.k.) or take two garlic and parsley 

capsules three times daily.



I hope this additional information is useful.  As I said, though, please make 

sure your hypertension isn't merely a symptom of something more serious.  See 

your doctor.



Brighid



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: braune@leland.Stanford.EDU

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: Krispin Sullivan <krispin@crl.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 03:08:18 GMT



The best book to read is Richard Moore, M.D. The High Blood 

Pressure Solution.  He is a researcher at SUNY.  Great guy and 

great book.  It is in paperback and explain insulin resistance 

and the role of potassium.  After you read it visit my site and 

download the potassium information.  All food stuff.  Nothing for 

sale.  Pure education.

-- 

Krispin Sullivan, CN  Under the Oaks in Marin, CA    

Krispin Komments on Nutrition and Health 

<http://www.krispin.com>.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Herbs/Minerals to Control High Blood Pressure ??

From: mbecmoran@aol.com (Mbecmoran)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 00:22:18 -0400



If high blood pressure is caused by clogging arteries, I carry two

products that were designed to assist the body in cleaining them out.  Now

the FDA won't allow me to say they do clean out arteries, but they are

designed to provide nutritional support to assist the body to improve

circulation.  One is an antioxidant balancer designed to stop the scarring

of artery walls and assist in repairing them, thereby removing plaque.  It

is a vitamin, mineral, glandular product.  The other is a nutritional

product used in conjuntion with an homeopathic remedy.  I have met people

who went off heart medication as a result of each.  I have personally

watched a friend lower her blood pressure 50 points in a span of about 2

months.  These products with nutrition and relaxation could do wonders. 

If you want either of these, e-mail me.  Good luck and good health.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pycnogenol and hyperactivity

From: wrunning@sage.cc.purdue.edu (William Running)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 17:10:07 -0500



I am searching for information on behalf of a library patron. We

are interested in finding information on a preparation made from 

pine bark or grape seeds called pycnogenol, and the application of

this preparation to the treatment of hyperactivity and attention

deficit disorder.



I have found several world wide web pages that have supplied back-

ground information on pycnogenol and the original inventor of this

preparation, Dr. Jacques Masquelier. I have been unable to find any

research by Dr. Masquelier or others in either MEDLINE or International

Pharmaceutical Abstracts.



Thanks in advance for your help.

-----------------------

Bill Running                   |        And, here in the bar,

Purdue University              |        the piano has found

West Lafayette, IN 47907       |        another nail for my heart.



(317)-494-1418

wrunning@sage.cc.purdue.edu

       



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gout

From: RZEN78A@prodigy.com (Peter Opper)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 22:40:34 GMT



Are there any herbs that will help prevent gout attacks?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gout

From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 20:32:47 GMT



Peter Opper wrote on 23 Oct 1995 22:40:34 GMT:

: Are there any herbs that will help prevent gout attacks?



The traditional treatment for gout is to eat 15 to 20 sour cherries per day.

Apparently, sweet cherries will work but are not quite as effective.  Many

people who suffer from the gout report that they can tell by some very

subtle changes in joint function when the condition will flare up.  This

would be the appropriate time to begin with the cherry therapy.  My wife and

mother both have occasional gout attacks and report cherries to be extremely

beneficial.



--

                                |

Dave Fluri                      |       "Sereno y desprendido, me dejara

North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        el aguila pasar a la libertad."

                                |               -Carlos Castaneda

                                |



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: culling herbs

From: aa798@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Gale McCready)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 23:56:44 GMT



Part 3 seems to bee missing.  Could you please repost.  Thank you



Gale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: In search of Henna

From: Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 00:53:15 GMT



This is unbelievable to me too, but I cannot find Henna (red) hair dye 

in any store near where I live, so if any one knows of a mail order 

catalog that carries it,  please be kind and e-mail me *directly* with 

the info. tons of thanks.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu

Subject: Re: In search of Henna

From: Gary & Jeanne Ross <ross@together.net>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 14:00:24 GMT



Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu> wrote:

>This is unbelievable to me too, but I cannot find Henna (red) hair dye 

>in any store near where I live, so if any one knows of a mail order 

>catalog that carries it,  please be kind and e-mail me *directly* with 

>the info. tons of thanks.



Community Pharmacy

341 State St.

Madison, WI   53702     (608)251-3242





Peace, Jeanne





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: In search of Henna

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:34 GMT



In article <46hddr$rg2@news.nd.edu>,

   Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu> wrote:



>This is unbelievable to me too, but I cannot find Henna (red) hair dye 

>in any store near where I live, so if any one knows of a mail order 

>catalog that carries it,  please be kind and e-mail me *directly* with 

>the info. tons of thanks.

>



Have you checked a store that sells to beauticians?



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu

Subject: Re: In search of Henna

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 07:53:46 GMT



Erika Pfleger <Erika.L.Pfleger.1@nd.edu> wrote:

>This is unbelievable to me too, but I cannot find Henna (red) hair dye 

>in any store near where I live, so if any one knows of a mail order 

>catalog that carries it,  please be kind and e-mail me *directly* with 

>the info. tons of thanks.

>

>

Mountain Rose Herbs

PO box 2000

Redway, CA 95560



for catalog or ordering 800.879.3337



Tell them Deb sent you! ;>

>

>

>

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: In search of Henna

From: Bob <72760.2745@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 05:50:18 GMT



a supplier of henna and other non-petrochemical products:



TerrEssentials

3320 N. 3rd Street

Arlington VA 22201-1712

    



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Boil Valerian?

From: johnnyb@cnct.com (John Bodner)

Date: 23 Oct 1995 21:45:40 -0400



I keep reading that you should NEVER BOIL VALERIAN, but does anyone know 

why?  I also would like to know if there are any side effects from 

continued use of this herb?

As a relaxation herb, which is superior, valerian or skullcap?  Or is 

there a better herb than both of these?

Much thanks for any help....



- John





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Boil Valerian?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:37 GMT



In article <46hgg4$b01@cnct.com>, johnnyb@cnct.com (John Bodner) wrote:



>I keep reading that you should NEVER BOIL VALERIAN, but does anyone know 

>why?  



1. It stinks up the whole house!

2. It drives off the active ingredient.





I also would like to know if there are any side effects from 

>continued use of this herb?



Long-term, continual use might cause depression ... that's one of the

caveats in my herbal.



Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Boil Valerian?

From: bella.kinney@channel1.com (Bella Kinney)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:51:00 -0640



-> I keep reading that you should NEVER BOIL VALERIAN, but does anyone

-> know why?  I also would like to know if there are any side effects

-> from continued use of this herb?

-> As a relaxation herb, which is superior, valerian or skullcap?  Or is

-> there a better herb than both of these?

        You do not want to boil valerian because the oil containing the

active principle is volatile and will be lost. Bring the water to a boil

remove from the heat, and add the chopped or powdered Valerian, Steep

the brew till it cools. Don't get dependant on this root, it can be

habit forming.

         My understanding is that herbs function best in combination

with other herbs, Use Valerian AND Skullcap together. I made a tincture

of Valerian, Skullcap and Passionflower that has been a useful

relaxation remedy.          Bella



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs                    

From: web_spinner@cybercircl.com (WEB SPINNER)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 03:16:00 GMT



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By sources I mean authors (knowledgable and reliable) and places to obtain the

books.  I would also like to know about any places that are reliable for fresh

herbs, seeds, and real oils.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: Web,Spinner

Subject: Re: herbs

From: tempie nichols <tempie@netplus.net>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 03:00:46 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs

From: pawgep@aol.com (Paw Gep)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 21:36:36 -0400



>I was hoping that there would be someone out there who could give me a

good

>source for obtaining books on herbs - magickal, poisons, medical,

culinary -

>any and every aspect are of intrest to my little devouring mind, and I

would

>like to be able to find a (or many) good sources.



>By sources I mean authors (knowledgable and reliable)



Read "Herbs & Things" by Jeanne Rose





>and places to obtain the

>books.  I would also like to know about any places that are reliable for

fresh

>herbs, seeds, and real oils.



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pawgep@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: "E-mail that's good for you" - Subscribe

From: jennel@Direct.CA (Jennifer Redmond)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 04:01:39 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Saw Palmetto Berries

From: lauren@rapidcity.com (Thomas Beno)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 04:33:36 GMT



Does anyone know if Saw Palmetto berries are available anywhere?

According to an old herb book I have, they grow along the Atlantic

coast of Georgia and Florida and are havested from October to December.

Gelatin capsules are available but I wonder if the fruit might be

fresh or frozen.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Consumer Reports Herb Article in 11/95 Issue

From: Mark Gold <mgold@laraby.tiac.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 01:32:37 -0400



Hi!



I decided to type up a quick & dirty response to the inaccurate

information and somewhat dangerous recommendations presented in a magazine

article (entitled "Herbal Roulette") in the November 1995 issue of

Consumer Reports about herbs. 



I'm sure I'll get flamed for this one.  But I hate to see people

suffer because they don't realize that Consumer Reports didn't consult

with any real experts and because they don't realize that Consumer

Reports has a long-standing, extreme bias on this issue.



The response is attached to the end of this email.



Best regards,



                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

    (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame/NutraPoison,

     sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH, fluoride

     detoxification, mental health resources.  Much more to come. 

         Lots of links to medical and holistic healing sites.

          Will email articles if you do not have WWW access.



P.S. -- I know this isn't a thorough or perfect response, but I 

believe it clarifies many misconceptions promulgated by Consumer

Reports.



-----------------

 BEGIN ENCLOSURE

-----------------





            CONSUMER REPORTS -- INFORMATION ROULETTE



Consumer Reports, a magazine published by Consumers Union has put out 

numerous quality reviews about cars, home appliances, and many other 

products.  The reason they were able to put out quality information 

in these areas is that they completely separated themselves from 

extremely biased individuals and companies by not accepting 

advertising.



On the other hand, when it comes to providing information about 

health, nutrition, and holistiic healing techniques such as 

Herbalism, they have developed close ties to individuals and groups 

that are dedicated to banning herbs,  homeopathic remedies, and 

supplements, and attacking and jailing holistic health practitioners.

I certainly do not believe that Consumer Reports is as rabidly 

against holistic healing techniques as the individuals that they are 

linked to.  However, their reviews of health- and nutrition-related

modalities and products end up as extremely biased because they

use these extremely biased individuals and groups as sources of "expert"

information.



In 1990, the editors of Consumer Reports co-wrote a book with Dr. 

Stephen Barrett attacking holistic healthcare modalities.  Dr. Barrett 

is a member of the NCAHF and one of the persons who spearheads attacks 

on holistic healthcare practitioners as well as attempts to ban various 

healing modalities, herbs, homeopathic remedies, and supplements.   

Dr. Barrett, who is a key spokesperson for the coalition between the 

FDA and the Pharmaceutical Action Committe (formed in the early 1980s

to attack holistic healing modalities), states that his group is 

"a bunch of guerrillas."  I highly recommend reading "The Assault of 

Medical Freedom" by P. Joseph Lisa (ISBN: 1-57174-003-1) and/or 

"Racketeering In Medicine" by Dr. James P. Carter (ISBN: 

1-878901-32-X) to learn more about the recent NCAHF activities 

against legitimate healthcare practitioners.



One of their sources of "expert" information, Dr. Varro Tyler, 

recently participated in a petition which would lead to the ban of 

homeopathic remedies.  Dr. Tyler's work might be useful if you would 

like to the the chemical composition of specific herbs -- although 

there are many other useful references sources for this information.  

However, he has no understanding of Herbalism, and how herbs should be 

used.  In addition, many of his warnings about the "dangers" of 

certain herbs amount to scare-mongering as opposed to looking at the 

evidence.



In the backdrop of extremely biased sources of information, which is 

certainly not limited to the NCAHF, Dr. Varro Tyler, or Dr. Stephen 

Barrett, Consumer Reports put together an inaccurate and biased 

"review" of herbal medicine in their November 1995 issue.



Safety of Herbs

---------------

In a "perfect" world there would be no tragedies.  Unfortunately, 

tragedies do happen.  There are car accidents, crime, etc.  In the 

healthcare field in the U.S. there are tragidies in medicine.  Just 

one class of drugs, Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs) 

causes between 3,000 to more than 10,000 inadvertant deaths every year 

(depending upon where you get your figures).  Other approved drugs 

cause countless thousands of deaths per year.  Physician errors 

lead to a large number of deaths every year.  Serious adverse 

reactions and deaths to drugs occur frequently despite warning labels.

All of these are tragedies that everyone wishes did not happen.



According to the World Health Organization, over 75% of the world 

population uses plant-based medicine as its primary healthcare 

modality.  Yet, when one looks at the extremely small number of 

tragedies linked to herbs, one gets an idea of their reletive safety. 



Thousands of herbs have been used for thousands of years without any 

substantial evidence of serious harm or deaths.  When the tragedies 

do occur, it is often because the person(s) deliberately or 

inadvertantly ingested a known toxic plant.  Another reason for the 

relatively rare tragedies to herbs are cases when people have 

ingested herbs in an abusive manner.  It is unfortunately difficult 

to protect all people from ingesting products (food, alcohol, drugs, 

herbs, etc.) in this way.  Education and treatment do more to avoid 

such tragidies than banning a safe product.  We are then left with a 

very few number of serious adverse reactions and deaths worldwide 

over the last 30 years where herbs are not used abusively.



Chaparral

---------

Chaparral is being attacked by the NCAHF and FDA not because it is 

generally dangerous, but because people are using it as part of a 

cancer treatment.  Over 200 tons of chaparral (~500,000,000 capsules)

have been sold in the last 20 years.  The herb has been used 

extensively without serious adverse reactions.  The FDA has claimed 

that amongst all of those people using chaparral, 6 cases of acute 

nonviral hepatitis in North America has been linked to the herb.



A typical case claimed to be caused by chaparral was found in the 

Journal of the American Medical Association (273(6):489).  A 

60-year-old woman was taking one to two capsules of chaparral with a 

pinch of garlic in a tea made from nettle and chickweed.  When 

jaundice and liver failure occurred, the authors immediately assumed 

it had to be the chaparral that caused it.  However, the patient was 

also taking diltiazem hydrochloride, atenolol, enteric coated 

aspirin, a nitroglycerin patch, and occasional acetaminophen.  The 

authors discounted the possibility of diltiazen (which is known to 

cause liver problems in some cases) from being the cause.  The 

authors did not consider the large combination of drugs as a causitive

of contribuatory factor.



Dr. Norman Farnsworth and a team of researchers conducted extensive 

studies on chaparral in the 1970s and 1980s and have been unable to 

find any hepatotoxic properties.



The FDA Commissioner, David Kessler, has been leading an attack on 

the herb chaparral, even though the evidence for danger is not yet 

there.  Everybody who is familiar with the FDA and its attacks on 

herbs knows that it is its use by some cancer patients that is 

causing the herb to be threatened with a ban.  Hopefully, Dr. 

Kessler's testimony before the U.S. Congres regarding this herb and 

scaremongering by Consumer Reports "experts" will not be taken 

seriously.



Comfrey

-------

Comfrey has been linked with four cases of veno-occlusive disease in 

the world throughout the last 20 years.  Most all of those cases 

involved long-term, abusive doses being ingested (e.g., 10 cups of 

comfrey tea and handfuls of comfrey-pepsin tablets every day for 

years).  Comfrey has been used externally and internally (where 

indicated) by a large number of people throughout the world with 

evidence of significant danger (especially when compared to almost 

any pharmaceutical).  Therefore, many herbalists feel that 

short-term, non-abusive use of comfrey where indicated is perfectly 

safe.



Medicinal comfrey (symphytum officinale) is the comfrey which should 

be used.  Russian comfrey (symphytum x uplandium) is typically used 

for composting and is, I believe, the comfrey which should not be 

taken internally.  Because some companies cut corners, it is 

important, in my opinion, to go with a company run by an experienced 

herbalist so that you can be certain to get medicinal comfrey.

You can get more information about comfrey from the Herb FAQ.



Finally, HerbPharm sells a comfrey root extract without pyrrolizidine 

alkaloids (the group of chemicals thought to cause problems in 

long-term, abusive ingestion of comfrey).





Ma Haung (Ephedra sinica)

-------------------------

Ma Haung is a relatively safe herb when used *properly* and *where 

indicated*.  Unfortunately, it is sometimes abused when taken as a 

weight loss and energy-boosting supplement.  Weight loss and 

energy-boosting drugs (prescription and OTC) and supplements have

a history of being abused, so it is not unusual that Ma Haung is

abused in some cases.  In addition, some dishonest manufacturers seem 

to be adding ephedrine alkaloids to their product in addition to Ma 

Huang.



A fairly simple solution to the problem would be to limit the amount 

of Ma Haung or alkaloids in the product to a reasonable level and put 

a similar warning label on the products which contain ephedrine 

alkaloids as is currently found on OTC asthma medication.  Rather 

than trying to ban the herb, the FDA should take the sensible route 

for a change.



Lobelia

-------

Consumer Reports couldn't come up with severe adverse reactions to 

lobelia, so it tried to link it to nicotine in cigarettes (in a 

negative way) and speculate on what could happen when taking an

overdose.  A bottle of aspirin (i.e., overdose) can kill you.  So

can an overdose of alot of drugs.  I am not aware of any confirmed

deaths linked to an overdose of lobelia.



Lobelia was used by the naturopaths such as John Christopher in the 

early 1900s as part of a program to successfully treat asthma.  In 

large doses it is an emetic (causes you to throw up).  This led some 

people to incorrectly assume that it was a poison -- but it's wide 

use medicinally proves that it is not poisonous.



Lobelia is used in commercial smoking preparation to *counteract* the 

desire for nicotine.



Yohimbe

-------

Yohimbe can cause adverse reactions with an overdose (like 1000 other 

things).  It is an herb that seems to be popular with bodybuilders 

and used for men who have infertility.  I do not believe that the

single-herb, drug-like use of yohime is health-building for persons

suffering from infertility or for bodybuilders.



Kombucha

---------

Consumer Reports did not say anything substantive about Kombucha.

The FDA admits that there are no confirmed linked to death 

from drinking Kombucha.  It appears to be safe if prepared as 

directed.  The Kombucha mailing list an WWW page are much better 

sources of information than Consumer Reports.



I believe that using a traditional fermented beverage such as 

Kombucha is fine as long as it is prepared correctly and one

keeps in mind that it is not a cure-all, but may be very useful

for persons who don't get a small and regular amount of fermented

products like pickles, kerfir, yogurt, miso, etc.



---------------



Consumer Reports' description of "dangerous" herbs amounts a combination

of scaremongering and listing a few herbs that could definately cause 

problems if abused.  Other herbs which could cause adverse reactions

if an overdose is taken (e.g., nutmeg) were not discussed.



Herbal Formulas

---------------

One of the most unfortunate and perhaps dangerous recommendations to 

come out of the Consumer Reports article is that each herb should be 

used alone, in a drug-like fashion.  It is too bad that Consumer 

Reports did not consult a real Herbalist for advice on how herbs should 

be administered.



The regular use of single herbs to treat an illness has the following 

drawbacks:



- More dangerous.  Single herbs will often throw certain aspects of the 

  body chemistry out of balance more readily than a properly designed 

  formula.  In addition, there is a greater risk of a person 

  overdosing on a particular herb than if it is a smaller part of a 

  formula.



- Less effective.  In *most* cases single herbs will be much less 

  effective than a properly chosen formula.  This is because herbs 

  are not only chosen to affect the main symptom or symptoms (e.g., 

  saw palmetto for prostate inflammation), but other herbs are used to 

  help promote complete healing.  A Chinese Herbalist will use 

  multiple herbs to affect various conditions in "organ systems."



While a professional herbalist is the best person to consult for the 

proper herbal formula, laypersons can learn to create their own 

simple formulas for some conditions.  In addition, store-bought 

formulas can be useful in some situations.



Single herbs are also used in some cases, but it is much more common

that herbs are used in formulas for medicinal purposes (especially 

for chronic illnesses).  To recommend that herbs always be used 

singly shows that Consumer Reports knows nothing about the proper 

use of herbs.  It appears that they think herbs should be used like

drugs.  If people want a generally less effective (especially over

the long-term) and possible more dangerous way to use herbs, by all

means follow the recommendations of Consumer Reports.





Herbalism

---------

Herbalism is one tool that is often used as part of a holistic 

healing program, especially when it comes to treating a chronic 

disease. Such a customized program can be very effective in many 

cases.



If one were to want to take a useful holistic healing program and 

make it nearly worthless for treating a chronic disease, one would 

simply follow the advice presented by Consumer Reports.



- Rather than seeing an experienced herbalist who actually knows 

  something about herbs, Consumer Reports recommends talking to a 

  physician about the herbs (who generally knows nothing about them).

  While it is a good idea to keep your main healthcare practitioner

  informed about the herbal formulas you are taking, getting primary 

  information about herbs from a physician is a bad idea.  The same 

  goes for their recommendation about avoiding herbs while pregnant.  

  There are some herbs that can be taken and many that should be 

  avoided during pregnancy.  You can get a list from an experienced

  herbalist or from one of the Internet herb groups -- a physician

  will not usually know what herbs to avoid.



- Rather than putting together a holistic healing program choosing 

  from a wide variety of effective tools such as using an appropriate

  natural foods diet, yoga, herbs, accupuncture, breathwork, etc., 

  Consumer Reports recommends trying other techniques to *avoid* the 

  use of herbs.  Avoiding the use of an effective tool simply to 

  satistfy the whims of Varro Tyler or some Consumer Reports reporter

  is another bad idea.



- Rather than trying a safer herbal remedy first, Consumer Reports 

  recommends "conventional treatments" (e.g., drugs) as a primary 

  treatment method.  Your safest and most health-building route is to 

  learn about the proper use of herbs and other holistic healing 

  techniques and consider those first before using drugs as a last 

  resort.



  If a person wants to use drugs, that is fine with me.  But it is 

  important to understand that drugs and other "conventional 

  treatments" are not necessarily safer (see numbers provided above) 

  or more effective for everyone, especially in the long run.  It's

  up to each person to make their own informed choice.





Miscellaneous

-------------

There is other inaccurate information throughout the article such as 

the information presented about the amino acid L-Tryptophan.  

An honest look at the variety of "scientific" viewpoints about amino 

acids, vitamins and minerals can be found in a number of good books,

but Consumer Reports is, unfortunately, not one of the places to look 

for accurate information.



Recommendations

---------------

1.  If you are interested in learning about herbs, purchase books by 

    experienced herbalists such as Michael or Lesley Tierra, Michael 

    Moore, Christopher Hobbs, etc. or learn from an Master Herbalist.

    Join the Internet groups which deal with herbs.



    Getting honest, accurate information about health-related topics from 

    Consumer Reports will not be possible until the magazine distances 

    itself from individuals who want to ban herbs or inappropriately use 

    them as drugs (including the editors who co-wrote the 

    health-bashing book by Steven Barrett)..



2.  If you want to use herbs to treat a chronic disease, visit a real 

    holistic healthcare practitioner who is experienced customizing 

    herbal formulas.  Pay close attention to other recommendations as 

    Herbalism is just one small part of the tools that one can use to 

    help heal a chronic disease.  Listings of holistic healthcare 

    practitioners can be found in the Holistic Resource Guide published 

    by New Age Journal or the Alternative Healthcare Yellow Pages.  Both 

    are available at bookstores or natural food stores.  The Holistic 

    Resource Guide is available at the www address:



              http://www.spdcc.com/home/newage/index.html



3.  Purchase herbal products from reputible companies.  Some of the 

    books written by experienced herbalists have listing of companies 

    that do not skimp on quality.  I have a list of companies which I 

    believe sells quality products.  The professional herbalists that 

    frequent the Internet herb groups probably have more extensive 

    resource lists. 



    Standardized extracts of a single chemical constituent are not

    necessarily helpful because the "active ingredient" in many herbs are

    a combination of many ingredients.  If you use herbs in a drug-like

    fashion -- single herbs without using any other holistic healing

    techniques, then standaridized extracts become more important. Otherwise,

    purchasing from a reputable source or working with an experienced

    herbalist is more important in my opinion. 



4.  If you are seeing an M.D. and/or taking pharmaceuticals, keep 

    that individual advised of your plans so that you can avoid and 

    interactions between the drugs and the herbs.  In some cases, the 

    M.D. can help you gradually reduce or eliminate the drugs being 

    taken.



5.  Report any adverse reactions to drugs or herbs, or change in

    condition to your holistic healthcare practitioner and any other

    practitioners that you see.



6.  Don't abuse drugs or herbs.  Keep the wild reports from the NCAHF

    or the FDA about serious adverse reactions to herbs in perspective.

    They do happen, but they are extremely rare compared to the

    inadvertant deaths and serious adverse reactions to pharmaceuticals.

    Please read the books by P. Joseph Lisa and Dr. James Carter

    mentioned above in order to understand the politics behind this

    issue.



Best regards,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

             http://www.tiac.net/users/mgold/health.html

    (Web articles on Food & Nutrition, Yoga, aspartame/NutraPoison,

     sweetener resources, stevia, toxic carpeting, rBGH, fluoride

     detoxification, mental health resources.  Much more to come. 

         Lots of links to medical and holistic healing sites.

          Will email articles if you do not have WWW access.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Coffee Enema?

From: yfeldman@ix.netcom.com (Joel Feldman)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 05:51:31 GMT



Has anyone ever heard of using a coffee enema for the purpose of liver

detox?  A naturopath told my wife to do one every day and we both

believe it sounds like a strange remedy. If you have heard of it, can

you say that you know of it first person and if so, what has it done

for you?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera & Lupus

From: bob97@ix.netcom.com (Corey )

Date: 24 Oct 1995 06:06:39 GMT



JazzyJenny



I've had fabulous results with my acne. I started taking the Aloe 5000

for general health reasons, and what a difference it made on my face. I

use the All Natural drink as an astringent, then the Aloe Gel and then

the Alo

e Cream. I've heard that the Aloe not only helps with Lupus, but

Arthritis is really helped by the Aloe 5000. I'm happy your excited

about the Aloe, I sure am. Have a great day, and don't let those same

people get to you.

 They burn everybody that get into a newsgroup.. It's not you, they

can't tell the difference about an ad or testimonial. Talk to you

again... Corey



P.S. Do you buy from ???  http://www.csz.com/alliance.html



They treat me the best and always get my order out right away.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: bob97@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera & Lupus

From: Bill Patterson <bphata@primenet.com>

Date: 24 Oct 1995 19:54:34 GMT



Corey,

Do you have any HARD references on the Aloe Vera and Lupus thing?



Wishful,

Bill Patterson

bphata@primenet.com

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera & Lupus

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:25:34 GMT



In article <46hvpf$5j@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,

Corey  <bob97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>

>about the Aloe, I sure am. Have a great day, and don't let those same

>people get to you.

> They burn everybody that get into a newsgroup.. It's not you, they

>can't tell the difference about an ad or testimonial. Talk to you

>again... Corey



Not everybody.  Just a few people like you.  You started out

hyping an herbal supplement in misc.health.aids which

contained guarana (natural source of caffeine), ma huang

(natural source of ephedrine), willow bark (natural source

of aspirin), etc.  This formulation is very similar to many

over-the-counter appetite suppressants.  You yourself

have testified that it suppresses appetite.  And yet, you as

recently as this week were re-posting your "testimonial" to

misc.health.aids to try to get more people hooked on your

product.  People who could be very seriously harmed by your

formulation.  You obviously don't care who might get hurt by

your money-making scheme.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ANSWER : ECHINACEA AND GOLDEN SEAL

From: warwick@usa.pipeline.com(warwick greville)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 06:43:46 GMT



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>bottle at a time in liquid form and that turns out to be 

>not so cheap, especially during the winter. 

> 

>I would appreciate if any one who knows of a mail order source, 

>could let me know about it. 

> 

>-- sanjay 

 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cold Sores - Ear Wax

From: btopp@isisnet.com (V. Topp)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 12:09:18 GMT



I have heard that putting a bit of ear wax on a cold sore works like 

magic.  I know it sounds awful but the lady who was talking about it 

(on a radio program) said she swears by it and everyone she told about 

it came back to her amazed and excited.  I know this isn't exactly an 

"herbal" remedy but it is natural and might be worth a try.  Since 

hearing her on the radio, I did read about it in a natural healing book 

too.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: canker sore troubles.

From: iss@ripco.com (R.M.K.)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:50:15 GMT



To: ALL

Subject: Re: canker sore troubles...



johnpratt@aol.com (JohnPratt)  replied:



 >I've let sublingual melatonin melt on one before and it healed up within

 >a day!  That canker sore is the last I can recall having since I started

 >using it.



J>Before I started using melatonin, I noticed that using Listerine

 >frequently just as one is starting can stop it (most of the time).  Hope

 >this helps.





there is NO rationale for using melatonin for this... it is a HORMONE...

nothing more..!!... the buffer used in the melatonin cap is most likely

inhibiting bacterial growth... this is probably why it is helping.

Vitamin C powder would be a better choice.



canker sores are aggrevated by bacteria in the mouth... and there are

LOTS of them there..!!.  The cells in the soft tissue of the cheek and

lips are sloughed off quite rapidly, and healing is amazingly rapid if

kept clean... Brush your teeth <and tongue> more often than usual <3-5

times a day> and rinse w/ any 'drugstore' brand 3% hydrogen peroxide

<diluted 1:1 w/ warm water> afterwards... holding this solution on the

canker sore area for 60-90 seconds.  You can rinse w/plain water

afterward if you find the h.peroxide taste unpleasant...  You'll be

surprized how fast they'll heal..!!.



Rob.





..

---

  QMPro 1.53  OO------>--->-->->> iss@ripco.com <<-<--<---<-----OO

                                                                   



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need info

From: lbullock@norden1.com (Lisa Bullock)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:38:46 GMT



I've got a friend who went to his chiropractor last week with back

problems. The chiropractor gave him some pills that have valerian

(sp?), skull cap and passiflora (among other things) in them. I'm

trying to dig up some info for him about each herb.  He is definetely

enjoying these pills!



Thanks in advance!



Lisa Bullock





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need info

From: Ocotillo@rtd.com (ocotillo)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 23:06:03 GMT



In article <46j2fq$45g@news1.channel1.com>, lbullock@norden1.com (Lisa

Bullock) wrote:



> I've got a friend who went to his chiropractor last week with back

> problems. The chiropractor gave him some pills that have valerian

> (sp?), skull cap and passiflora (among other things) in them. I'm

> trying to dig up some info for him about each herb.  He is definetely

> enjoying these pills!

> 

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> Lisa Bullock





I have some information on the historical uses for these herbs.  I hope

that this information is helpful.



Valerian root is a strong herbal nervine.  Antiapasmodic and a pain

reliever also a calmative and sedative.  Long term use in large doses is

not advised, can result in depression.



Scullcap is an antispasmodic, and tonic one of the best nerve herbs.  It

has a calming effect and is a muscle relaxant.  It is recommended for

almost every ailment of the nervous system.  It has a diuretic property

which draws out uric acid.  This helps the nervous system in rheumatism,

gout and neuritis.



passiflora-  Passion flower- antispasmodic, nervine, sedative- It is a

mild sedative - not narcotic.  This is not to be confused with ornimental

blue passion flower(passiflora caerula) which is an entirely different

plant and contains the poison cyanide.



It sounds like this combination would be very helpful to someone with back

problems.



Good Health, Pat



-- 

GoodHealth - Herbal and Homeopathic products

http://ocotillo.rtd.com

Pat Jaksha

520-624-4635

Ocotillo@rtd.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: lbullock@norden1.com

Subject: Re: need info

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 04:34:10 GMT





lbullock@norden1.com (Lisa Bullock) wrote:

>I've got a friend who went to his chiropractor last week with back

>problems. The chiropractor gave him some pills that have valerian

>(sp?), skull cap and passiflora (among other things) in them. I'm

>trying to dig up some info for him about each herb.  He is definetely

>enjoying these pills!

>

>Thanks in advance!

>

>Lisa Bullock

>

No wonder! All three of these are natural muscle relaxers, 

and sedatives:



Passaflora: 

From Dr. Schwontkowski: "Paaiflora incarnata, Passion 

flower is known throughout the world for its natural 

sedative properties. It promotes sleepiness without 

disorientation and soothes general pain."



Skullcap:

From Dr. Balch: "Relieves pain, stress, muscle cramps and 

spasms. Good for nervous disorders, hysteria, migraine 

headaches..."



Valerian:

From Dr. Balch again: "Improves circulation and acts as a 

sedative. Good for nervousness, ulcers, headaches, colic, 

gas, pain, stress, anxiety..muscle cramps and spasms"





Sounds like the chiropractor knew his stuff! What else was 

in the pills besides these three- I may want to get some!



Take care,

Leslie Taylor



The Cat's Claw page:

http://www.bga.com/directsource/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: need info

From: pburch@bcm.tmc.edu (Paula Burch)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 19:23:17 GMT



Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com> writes:

|> Valerian:

|> From Dr. Balch again: "Improves circulation and acts as a 

|> sedative. Good for nervousness, ulcers, headaches, colic, 

|> gas, pain, stress, anxiety..muscle cramps and spasms"



It's certainly excellent for headaches--for causing them, that is. 

Headaches are a side effect of taking valerian for several days in 

a row, in my experience.



--

Paula Burch

pburch@bcm.tmc.edu

http://mbcr.bcm.tmc.edu/pburch.html

not speaking for my employers



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: fertility herb

From: Shawn_Walton@radian.com (Shawn Walton)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:07:57 GMT



Hi,



I am thinking about getting pregnant and I was wondering if anyone can 

recommend an herb that helps make you more fertile (I've been on the 

pill for 13 years straight), and also any good herbs or vitamins I can 

take to help me stay more healthy and keep my baby healthy once I am 

preganat, besides the obvious prenatal vitamins.



Thanks, SCW



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cranberry questions

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 24 Oct 1995 19:51:03 GMT



What are the medicinal benefits of cranberries?

Are the leaves of any value?

Any other info would be appreciated.



Happy herbaling,

John



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cranberry questions

From: alchemy@Direct.CA (Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:55:41 -0800



Pure cranberry juice has long been used for bladder infections.  I'm not

sure about the leaves.



Tamara





In article <46jg37$fje@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, essi@ix.netcom.com (John E.

Verin ) wrote:



> What are the medicinal benefits of cranberries?

> Are the leaves of any value?

> Any other info would be appreciated.

> 

> Happy herbaling,

> John



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: essi@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: cranberry questions

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 08:12:19 GMT



essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin ) wrote:

>What are the medicinal benefits of cranberries?

>Are the leaves of any value?

>Any other info would be appreciated.

>

>Happy herbaling,

>John



Cranberry juice is an inhibitor of bacterial adhesion, which means that 

the bacteria doesn't stick in the urinary tract to cause infections.



Drinking a minimum of 8 oz/day will help protect your system if you are 

prone to such infections.  If you are infected, drink more!  There have 

been some reports of cranberry juice (or powdered concentrated capsules) 

dissolving kidney stones.  Of course, the best(?) would be an organic, 

freshly made juice, easy on the sugar...Ocean Spray Cranraspberry or 

Crancherry work for me!



Deb





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Alternative Health Web Page

From: jm@shore.net (Joe McLean)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 19:52:51 GMT



New Alternative Health Web Page 

http://www.shore.net/~jm/welcome.htm



Written for Netscape.



                        Regards, Joe



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FAQs...

From: pixel@usa1.com (Sable)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 20:52:29 GMT



Hi folks,

        I have part 2 of the culinary herb faq and parts 1 and 4 of the

medicinal faq.  My question is, can someone send me all the parts of

both of these?  I would like to read them all through but for some

reason I can only find stray parts.  If not, could someone point me to

where they are so I can download them?   Thank you.



--Tina Cooley





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FAQs...

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 16:59:50 GMT



In article <46jjmi$6o@ns1.usa1.com>, pixel@usa1.com says...

>

>Hi folks,

>        I have part 2 of the culinary herb faq and parts 1 and 4 of the

>medicinal faq.  My question is, can someone send me all the parts of

>both of these?  I would like to read them all through but for some

>reason I can only find stray parts.  If not, could someone point me to

>where they are so I can download them?   Thank you.

>

>--Tina Cooley



Hi Tina,



Medicinal herbfaq:

should be on news.answers for another month.



Both: try gopher or ftp:



ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/

                      herbal-medicine/



gopher://sunsite.unc.edu/11/.pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/

                            herbal-medicine/



gopher sunSITE.unc.edu 

  The Worlds of sunSITE

    browse sunSITE archives

      academic

        medicine

          alternative healthcare

            herbal-medicine



and if you have www access try my homepage (.sig). 

The faqs are now all in html space, no ftp anonymous access restrictions

anymore.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress          HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland.

                    http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed

Medicinal + Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures from Finland, and stuff.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: chamomile tea question

From: lizn@oes.amdahl.com (Liz Neely)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:02:34 GMT



Can anyone tell me if its ok to use the non-flower part of chamomile for tea?

The books I've looked in either say to only use the flowers or they don't

specify at all which part to use. My chamomile didn't produce many flowers,

but I've had to trim the green part and would like to use that part for tea

if its usable.





                                Liz

                                lizn@amdahl.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: NEW HERB SITE: HerbaNet - The largest herbal related WWW site on the Internet!

From: klamka@io.org (Jake Klamka)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 22:53:15 GMT



*************************************

NEW HERBAL RELATED SITE: HerbaNet

http://www.io.org/~herbs/

"The largest herbal related WWW site on the Internet"

*************************************



Hello everyone,



  First off let me introduce myself. My name's Jake Klamka and like

most of you in this group, I'm a strong supporter of herbal remedies

for medical problems.  For over 4 months now, I have been working

on a herbal related site which I call "HerbaNet"... And now 

finally it's done, and it's one of the (if not, the) largest

herbal related WWW site on the Internet!



  One of the main parts of "HerbaNet" is the Herbal Guide. This is

a guide to over 200 herbs! For each herb/herbal combination listed in

the Herbal Guide, there is information provided on what the herb

is used for, what ingredients are used (if it's a combination herb),

and what are the recommendations of use. I have also included an option

so that you can order the herbs on-line (but even if you don't want

to order, there is a vast amount of information).



  Another area that I have made is called the "HerbaNet Information

Center", here I have made a database of links which take you directly

to over 120 herbal related articles, FAQs, programs, images etc... I also

have put together a list of over 25 links to other herbal related homepages.



  So please, come and visit "HerbaNet" at:



http://www.io.org/~herbs/



  Enjoy!





                                        Herbally Yours,

                                       

                                        Jake Klamka

                                        HerbaNet webmaster

                                        herbs@io.org

                                        http://www.io.org/~herbs/

                                        

  



 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Any Info On KAVA KAVA?

From: smakk@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (John Latino)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 16:35:48 -0700



Hello, all! I was reading a bit about Kava Kava and am interested in trying 

it. My local natural foods' store sells it in capsules, mixed with a little 

passionflower & valerian. However, I've heard that you've got to take a large 

amount of KavaKava to experience any psychotropic effects. Is this true? If 

so, what's the best method of preparation, best variety, etc.? Are premade 

liquid extracts any good? Also, does it have any known dangerous side-effects?

Thanks.



-John



-- 

JOHN LATINO      | Where can you find a Virtual Slot Machine and 

smakk@kaiwan.com | my ex-girlfriend selling her lingerie?  

                 | Try http://www.kaiwan.com/~smakk  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Info On KAVA KAVA?

From: nmurphy@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Norma J. Murphy)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 17:05:34 GMT



hey there...

according to what i've heard, the traditional way of consuming kava kava

is (no joke) to chew the root, spit the saliva in the mouth into coconut

shells, mix with coconut juice, and then drink the mixture.

while i haven't tried the concoction, i understand the "psychotropic"

effect is similar to that of opiates...

have a lovely day and blessed be!

brigid murphy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Info On KAVA KAVA?

From: cstewart@jaxnet.com

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 22:23:29 GMT



On 25 Oct 1995 17:05:34 GMT, nmurphy@mailer.cc.fsu.edu (Norma J.

Murphy) wrote:



>S<hey there...

>S<according to what i've heard, the traditional way of consuming kava kava

>S<is (no joke) to chew the root, spit the saliva in the mouth into coconut

>S<shells, mix with coconut juice, and then drink the mixture.

>S<while i haven't tried the concoction, i understand the "psychotropic"

>S<effect is similar to that of opiates...

>S<have a lovely day and blessed be!

>S<brigid murphy





The truly most effective way to use kava-kava is to get the plant

itself. Many a native of the southern Pacific Ocean island has

got a big high by throwing the leaves in a pile and burning the

leaves while dancing around and inhaling the smoke.Might not

work for Bill Clinton since he doesn't inhale:-)

- - -



"The wise talk because they have something to say.

 Fools talk because they have to say something." Plato 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Info On KAVA KAVA?

From: kathjokl@aol.com (Kathjokl)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 11:36:16 -0400



There is some very good ethnobotanical articles and a book on kava. (I've

not seen anything about burning the leaves and dancing around fires - is

this a joke?).  I don't have the article references at home but can pass

along the book reference. 



Kava, The Pacific Drug by Vincent Lebot, Mark Merlin and Lamont Lindstrom,

Yale University Press, New Haven and London, 1992.



This 250 page book has chapters on the botany and chemistry of kava. Also

cultivation, preparation, medicinal and social use and cultural signicance

of kava.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Any Info On KAVA KAVA?

From: karlhank@xmission.com (Karl Hancock)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:11:07 GMT



Kava Kava, (piper methysticum), dried root



Kava Kava root has been used in the South Pacific for centuries as a

relaxant herb.  Typically the resinous juice is extracted from the

root and made into a beverage.  The active compounds are a group of 15

lactones unique to the plant, commonly called Kavalactones.



The historical uses of Kava are as a relaxant and sleep aid.  Some

researchers indicate a mild psychoactive property.



Some indications that long term usage of high dosages can interfere

with liver functions.



---------------------------------------------

Karl..   Nature's Source:  Information and discount herbs and vitamins

http://www.xmission.com/~natures

natures@xmission.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: remeyer@lmsc.lockheed.com (R. E. Meyer)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:38:07 -0800



God, if there is one, somebody please let me know!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 11:55:01 GMT



Gatorade by the quart,and tylenol in small amounts. Gatorade because the 

reason you feel so sick is that you've thoroughly dehydrated yourself. 

Gatorade will re-balance your electrolytes. I know, it tastes nasty, 

but... that's what they give all those millionaire atheletes and there's 

a reason for it. It's the best stuff going. Tylenol because you've got a 

headache, no doubt, and you don't want to harm your liver any more than 

you already have(tsk, tsk). You might also consider taking some milk 

thistle to help your liver heal. If you're nauseated, try boiling some 

ginger(powdered or whole) in a cup of water and trading that for one of 

your glasses of gatorade. But don't skimp on the electrolytes. And next 

time (if there IS a next time??!) Drink lots of water when you drink 

alcohol.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:50:24 -0500



Liz Jones: I find water a pretty terrific remedy myself. I remember our

chemistry professor telling us over and over that water was the best

cleansor for laboratory equipment. Are we any different? Recently I read

that a lot of back pain could be alleviated if people would drink a lot of

water. Toxins build up in sore spots in the body.  Water dillutes these

toxins. Amd speaking of pain, I found that finding and applying pressure

to sore spots on the body ( a la Bonnie Pruden/Complete Guide to Pain Free

Living), can alleviate sore muscles and pain.



A 70 year-old-employee at our plant complained that he couldn't raise his

arm above his shoulder; he was scheduled for a shot to alleviate the

condition. I suggested he find the sore spot (neck and shoulders are a

good place to start). He found it; his wife applied pressure to the spot,

and within minutes he could raise his arm. Generally there is more than

one spot that is causing the problem.



Applying pressure helps move toxins out and bring circulation to the area.

I've gotten rid of TMJ this way; the sore spots on one's head in this

condition are out of this world; I've made my sinuses ring by applying

pressure to areas arouund my cheeks. Now that my TMJ is gone, I no longer

can find the same sore spots.



Lee (ltrudick@aol.com) 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 15:22:28 GMT



Lee: agreed-- water is the most important part of any hangover remedy! 

And a lot of headaches unprovoked by liquor are due to dehydration. They 

say the cup of water you drink with your aspirin may do as much for your 

head as the aspirin itself.  On the other hand, people on certain 

medications and some people with kidney trouble actually drink WAY too 

much water and wind up with seizures as a result. The condition is known 

as hyponatremia, and it can be dangerous, as you might imagine... so I 

guess you _can_ overdo it. Balance of water consumption, as with 

everything else, is key.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:29:37 -0900



On 25 Oct 1995, Liz Jones wrote:



> Gatorade by the quart,and tylenol in small amounts. Gatorade because the 

> reason you feel so sick is that you've thoroughly dehydrated yourself. 

> Gatorade will re-balance your electrolytes. I know, it tastes nasty, 

> but... that's what they give all those millionaire atheletes and there's 

> a reason for it. It's the best stuff going. Tylenol because you've got a 

> headache, no doubt, and you don't want to harm your liver any more than 

> you already have(tsk, tsk). You might also consider taking some milk 

> thistle to help your liver heal. If you're nauseated, try boiling some 

> ginger(powdered or whole) in a cup of water and trading that for one of 

> your glasses of gatorade. But don't skimp on the electrolytes. And next 

> time (if there IS a next time??!) Drink lots of water when you drink 

> alcohol.

> Liz

> 

> 

> 

Take Vitamin A, because hangovers are related to a lack of it.  'swhat 

you get for beating on your liver!!!;-D

remember not to overdo vitamin A, however, as one can OD on it.



Mandy





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Hangover Treatment?

From: gabriele@kbbs.com

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:03:31 PST





     I am fortunate to never suffer from hangovers, but I have heard

miso soup is a sure cure.





--

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[*] http://kbbs.kbbsnet.com    Telnet: 204.96.25.7   Email: info@kbbs.com [*]





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Source for bloodroot ointment?

From: costich@itd.nrl.navy.mil (Oliver Costich)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:01:00 GMT



Anyone have one?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Source for bloodroot ointment?

From: Kathleen M Ford <kat@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:27:50 -0600



On Wed, 25 Oct 1995, Oliver Costich wrote:



> Anyone have one?

> 

> 

> 

i am interested in this also.  kat





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: good herb reference book?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 24 Oct 1995 21:36:08 -0400



The most popular herbal reference book in our store is still David

Hoffman's New Holistic Herbal.  Michael Murray, who wrote the Encyclopedia

of Natural Medicine, has a new reference called Healing Power of Herbs

(this is a considerably revised and expanded version of an earlier book

with the same title). Healing Power is nice because it deals with some of

the "new" botanical medicines such as grape seed extract.



Check out the works of Richard Mabey, Susun Weed, Michael Moore,

Christopher Hobbs and Simon Mills.  These are all good herbal writers with

several different books in print.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com











From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: World

From: alchemy@Direct.CA (Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:00:04 -0800



In article <remeyer-2410951538070001@129.197.81.26>,

remeyer@lmsc.lockheed.com (R. E. Meyer) wrote:



> God, if there is one, somebody please let me know!



I bought one once called "Morning After herb draught", by Country House

Ltd, US importer (301) 468-2388.  I never tried it, so I don't know if it

works.  The package says:



                "Man's aptitude for pleasure has ever been attended by those who wish him

to suffer for his excesses.  This is perhaps why, though there have been

sundry attempts at remedies, from Aspirin to variations on the Hair of the

Dog, there has never been a satisfactory hangover cure.  Even now, we do

not promise miracles. Nor should our Herbs encourage regular excess.  But

they are a painstaking and serious approach to easing one of civilised

man's greatest (albeit self-induced) miseries.  They are also totally

natural the last thing a punished system needs is chemicals...



It contains: Iceland Moss, Meadowsweet, Centuary, Dill, Fennel, Serpyllum,

Sarsaparilla root, Gentian root, Zedoary Root, Black Horehound, Lavender

Flowers, Ginger root, Potentilla root, Caraway seed, Chiretta Herb, and

China Root.   Drink One Pint to counter effects of dehydration.



Good luck!



Tamara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: World

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 15:15:55 -0700



Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler (alchemy@Direct.CA) wrote:

: In article <remeyer-2410951538070001@129.197.81.26>,

: remeyer@lmsc.lockheed.com (R. E. Meyer) wrote:



[snip, snip] 



: It contains: Iceland Moss, Meadowsweet, Centuary, Dill, Fennel, Serpyllum,

: Sarsaparilla root, Gentian root, Zedoary Root, Black Horehound, Lavender

: Flowers, Ginger root, Potentilla root, Caraway seed, Chiretta Herb, and

: China Root.   Drink One Pint to counter effects of dehydration.

                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



One pint of plain ol' wanter would do that...



-jen 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pregnancy-diuretics, and liquorice

From: alchemy@Direct.CA (Tamara Pearl and/or Brett Dowler)

Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:11:53 -0800



Hi!

Does anyone know why diuretics are not recommended during pregnancy?  



Does anyone have information specifically on Pellitory of the

wall(Parietaria diffusa), and Parsley Piert (Alchemilla arvensis or aphanes

arvensis) and their safety in pregancy.  Both are diuretics and kidney

tonics.



Also, how about the safety of liquorice in pregnancy?  Is it not

recommended because of its effects on blood pressure or because of its

steroidal factors?



Thanks,



Tamara



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs and Essemtial Oils

From: Krystopher Marentette <marentb@server.uwindsor.ca>

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 05:22:48 GMT





                               G E N E S I N A

                              hERBAL pRODUCTS +

          "Providing health and healing for the body, mind and soul" 

                            * N A T U R A L L Y *

        Centuries ago, the first medical professionals looked to the Earth

to provide them with the means for health and well-being. Using the powers

of Nature's resources, they developed many methods to effectively cure and

prevent illness. 

        These ways were put to rest as science and its chemical

substitutes took over. 

        Often trying to imitate the actions and benefits of Nature,

scientists isolate one particular cellular agent of a plant and use only

it to treat an ailment. In doing this, science leaves us wide open to side

effects such as stomach pain, insomnia, drowsiness, skinn irritation etc.

In turn we then use another chemical substitute to subdue that. 

        It can be a never-ending cycle. 

        This occurs because the agents found in the original plant source

which prevent such side effects and aid the body in accepting treatment

are missing from the chemical substitute. 

        Today, realizing once again that the Earth has provided us with

all we need, we have given a rebirth to the old ways. There will always be

a need for medical professionals and their talent of diagnosis. Often

medically proven Herbal remedies are more than sufficient in treating or

preventing illness, without adding foreign substitutes to your body. 

        Genesina Herbal Products is dedicated to providing you with all

the health and healing for your body, mind and soul... naturally. 

        Our product line includes: 

                - Healing Oils and Herbs

                - Natural Teas

                - Bath Oils

                - Personal Aromatherapy Oils

                - Pot Pourri

                - and many others.... 

        To discover which Genesina Product can work for you,

        send ailment descriptions, product/treatment/remedy questions

        or general comments to: 

            E-Mail: marentb@server.uwindsor.ca

        Snail-Mail: Julianne Lesperance

                    1067 Bruce Avenue

                    Windsor, Ontario

                    N 9 A 4 Y 1

                    C A N A D A

         Facsimile: 1-519-735-9135

         Telephone: 1-519-735-1248

         Brochure and ordering information will be provided upon request. 

 

 

 

 

 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs and Essemtial Oils

From: noblehse@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca ()

Date: 26 Oct 1995 17:52:03 GMT



Krystopher Marentette (marentb@server.uwindsor.ca) wrote:



:                                G E N E S I N A

:                               hERBAL pRODUCTS +

:           "Providing health and healing for the body, mind and soul" 

:                             * N A T U R A L L Y *

:         Centuries ago, the first medical professionals looked to the Earth

: to provide them with the means for health and well-being. Using the powers

: of Nature's resources, they developed many methods to effectively cure and

: prevent illness. 

:         These ways were put to rest as science and its chemical

: substitutes took over. 

:         Often trying to imitate the actions and benefits of Nature,

: scientists isolate one particular cellular agent of a plant and use only

: it to treat an ailment. In doing this, science leaves us wide open to side

: effects such as stomach pain, insomnia, drowsiness, skinn irritation etc.

: In turn we then use another chemical substitute to subdue that. 

:         It can be a never-ending cycle. 

:         This occurs because the agents found in the original plant source

: which prevent such side effects and aid the body in accepting treatment

: are missing from the chemical substitute. 

:         Today, realizing once again that the Earth has provided us with

: all we need, we have given a rebirth to the old ways. There will always be

: a need for medical professionals and their talent of diagnosis. Often

: medically proven Herbal remedies are more than sufficient in treating or

: preventing illness, without adding foreign substitutes to your body. 

:         Genesina Herbal Products is dedicated to providing you with all

: the health and healing for your body, mind and soul... naturally. 

:         Our product line includes: 

:                 - Healing Oils and Herbs

:                 - Natural Teas

:                 - Bath Oils

:                 - Personal Aromatherapy Oils

:                 - Pot Pourri

:                 - and many others.... 

:         To discover which Genesina Product can work for you,

:         send ailment descriptions, product/treatment/remedy questions

:         or general comments to: 

:             E-Mail: marentb@server.uwindsor.ca

:         Snail-Mail: Julianne Lesperance

:                     1067 Bruce Avenue

:                     Windsor, Ontario

:                     N 9 A 4 Y 1

:                     C A N A D A

:          Facsimile: 1-519-735-9135

:          Telephone: 1-519-735-1248

:          Brochure and ordering information will be provided upon request. 

:  

:  

:  

:  

:  

For aromatherapy oils, there is a store in Edmonton, CANADA that offers 

mail-order service as well. Their home page is at:

   http://www.worldgate.com/cybertek/self_heal/



There are other web sites for Cat's calw, Ginsana, etc.  One day someone 

should make a list of these sites.

 --

J. Chan

jrchan@freenet.calgary.ab.ca



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Unwanted melatonin e-mail ad!

From: donwiss@bondcalc.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:21:16 GMT



On Wed, 25 Oct 95 03:10:40 GMT, callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>I posted to this thread, and recieved an unsolicited e-mail ad from 

>someone using the address  ProFit4LP@aol.com  touting their product.

>

>I do not like the tactic of scavenging addresses from newsgroups in

>order to sell things.  That's not why I post.  If you agree with me, please

>let these people know what you think about the tactic. 



Here's something very related from the Cringely column in this week's issue

of InfoWorld (Oct 23):



A few years ago Lotus tried to sell a CD-ROM called Marketplace that

contained personal information on nearly everyone in America. A bunch of us

screamed loudly enough to make that product go away. Well, now the

Marketry Co., in Bellevue, Wash., is selling lists of E-mail addresses

gleaned from Usenet newsgroup postings. 



Your address and mine are for sale right now, along with info on whether

our interests can be classified as adult, computer, sports, science,

education, news, investment, games, entertainment, religion, or pets. 



"Does alt.binaries.erotic.blondes qualify as adult,

entertainment, or -- in your case, Bobby -- religion?" Pammy teased. 



But seriously folks, expect an avalanche of junk E-mail if you are a

newsgroupie. 



[end of quote]



To see the rest of the article go to: http://www.infoworld.com/cringe.html



Don.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Unwanted melatonin e-mail ad!

From: sol@aracnet.com (James L. Weerts)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 08:57:00 -0700



Did it at all occur to you that by posting this info you have unwittingly

furthered their advertising efforts, and that it may result in additional

sales for this outfit?  They may get some irate callers, but if they make

only one new sale they will probably regard it as worth it.  Just a

thought. 





-- 

James L. Weerts--------------------->*<--------------------------------->O

(sol@aracnet.com)                    |                                   |

|                                    |  Leave the front door open,       |

|                                    |  And the wrong dog will come home |

|                                    |                                   |

O<---------------------------------->*<--------------------------------->O



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: http://www.healthtrek.com

From: healthtrek@aol.com (HealthTrek)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 12:43:01 -0400



There is a great new website devoted to alternative medicine, specifically

herbs, 

homeopathics and nutritionals.  Information (on-line illness/natural

remedy library), 

Herbal, homeopathic and nutritional products. Naturopathic physician.

Industry

updates, articles and message board for public posting related to

alternative

health care.   Add it to your hotlist!  



(If it looks like something is missing, it probably is...graphics problems

should be fixed by 10-27)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Diet Herbs

From: ag801@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (David J. Flanagan)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:44:00 GMT





A friend has purchased a supposed diet herbal remedy called P&T

manufactured by Enrich International of Lindon, UT it is comprised of

Joint Fir, Oirana and kelp in a rice flour capsule. I haven't been able to

find anything on the first two ingredients.  The pills (1 daily) are supposed

to be supplemented with an herbal tea called "Natures Tea" by the same

company.  The tea contains Buckthorn Bark, Caa Inhem, Uva Ursi and Althea

root along with some better known florals and citrus peel.  Has anyone

heard of possible adverse reactions to any of the aforementioned botanicals? 

--

D.J. Flanagan



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: smoking herbs

From: marineau@omnifest.uwm.edu (Stephen C. Marineau)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 11:58:10 -0500



I am seeking an alternative to tobacco smoking (legal alternative) and am

interested in what if any herbs there are out there that have been used that

do not have as significant negative health effects as tobacco. Please reply to

me via e-mail to: marineau@omnifest.uwm.edu   TIA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Iridology - is it for real?

From: janet@dlep1.itg.ti.com (Janet M Cuellar)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:08:59 GMT



I was wondering whether people have had done it

and what they think of it.

How does the diagnosis compare to other methods 

(e.g. blood & stool tests, x-ray, etc.)?



Please respond if you had experience with it

as a patient.



Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Torettes Syndrome and Motor Ticks

From: mikla@nx.com (Michael Aichlmayr)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:32:42 GMT



mikla@csn.net (Michael Aichlmayr) wrote:



> Does anyone have any info on herbs that might be useful in combatting

>motor ticks associated with a mild case of Torrettes Syndrome?  I have

>tried quite a few antidepressants of the seratonin reuptake inhibitors

>class and they help to some degree, but they interfere with sexual

>functions <not cool!>.



> Thanks for any help you can provide me.



Since I just learned that the server we use was not posting to the

world, I'm reposting this.  I got no responses from the people on our

server, anyone have any ideas??  I hate the drugs!



Michael





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tinnitis

From: kmchan@jpl.nasa.gov (Karen M Chan)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:43:10 -0700



Can anyone suggest anything to relieve Tinnitis (ringing in the ears)? 

Any help would be much appreciated!



Thanks,

Karen



-- 

Whatever Happens... Smile!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: kmchan@jpl.nasa.gov

Subject: Re: Tinnitis

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 01:51:18 GMT



kmchan@jpl.nasa.gov (Karen M Chan) wrote:

>Can anyone suggest anything to relieve Tinnitis (ringing in the ears)? 

>Any help would be much appreciated!

>

>Thanks,

>Karen

>

>-- 

>Whatever Happens... Smile!



Karen,



Ginkgo Biloba!  There have been several clinical studies on 

it for tinnitis with good results. Commonly found in most 

health food stores. Please email me if you'd like the 

references to look up the trials.



Good Luck!

Leslie Taylor

The Raintree Group





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tinnitis

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:23:52 GMT



> kmchan@jpl.nasa.gov (Karen M Chan) wrote:

> >Can anyone suggest anything to relieve Tinnitis (ringing in the ears)? 

> >Any help would be much appreciated!



Subscribe to alt.support.tinnitus newsgroup and get FAQ

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: COLLOIDAL SILVER (posted for

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: 25 Oct 1995 18:59:47 GMT



posted on behalf of  camel@winternet.com (caMel) who was 

having server problems:



 camel@winternet.com (caMel) writes:



tried to send to:

misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.health.ayurv

eda,

sci.med.diseases.lyme



subject: Lymes cures? (was -- Re; COLLOIDAL SILVER)



(server screwing up big-time so sending this to you in 

mail, maybe

you can post this if you feel it has merit at all, just 

delete this

header maybe)





Leslie, thank you for all you've added so far.  Below are 

some replies

to what I can answer.



On 25 Oct 1995 00:07:45 GMT, Leslie Taylor 

<raintree@bga.com> wrote:

>(and before that.... caMel wrote:)

>>And do you have any information on any toxicity studies of:

>

>>Silver Citrate

>>Silver Picrate

>>Silver Acetate

>>or

>>Silver Carbonate?

>//////////////////////////////////

>You're welcome.  Most of the air and water filtration 

>systems I've seen use simple metalic silver to purify water 

>or air.  No sorry, I haven't researched any of the the 

>above compounds for toxicity.

>

>>Do you know if any of the above silver compounds can form >toxic substances in

 the body?  I choose them for their >soluability leve=

>ls in acid conditions.

>/////////////////

>Sorry again, no research - no data on these specific 

>compounds.

>



I've since learned that the Picrate form of silver will 

decompose into

Picric Acid in the body.  This is a NO-NO!  Picric acid 

acts as a

catalyst in the body and induces a run-away fever, your 

body literally

burns up from inside each cell.  The others I've learned 

decompose

into commmon silver-chloride.  Not harmful, but also VERY 

insoluable

(especially in an acid environment). I've taken 

silver-chloride with

no results, so I've been wasting my time and the little 

money I have.

I suspect that colloidal forms of silver would do the same 

thing in

your stomach, i.e. turn to silver-chloride, be insoluable 

and pass

right on through.)



>>I have heard rumors of the "Lymes" cure with colloidal >silver but have been t

rying to pursue a "silver cure" >along other lines us=

>ing any ofthe above compounds.  I have >some information (though sketchy) on th

e side effect of >silver overdose (aprox. 2 grams Ag =

>orally or 1000 mg

>>i.v.) causing agyria, and that silver has a half-life in >the body of aprox. 6

 months (being expelled through a >complex bile proce=

>ss).  But I don't know if the agyria >(blue skin) is permanent or not.  One cas

e sited in the >studies I could find was of a person =

>that lived his life

>>as a side-show attraction for his blue skin, but nothing >was said if he conti

nually ingested silver to retain this >condition, i.e=

> agyria.(The other study was of an elderly >woman that was given 1000 mg i.v. w

herein they found the >half-life and the way it is e=

>xpelled, but no mention if >her agyria went away eventually.)  Other than agyri

a, no >evidence has been found that silver is toxic i=

>n the body. > (The agyria is merely a photochemical reaction in the >skin, not 

unlike camera film where silver turns dark upon >expo=

>sure to light. It's not dangerous,you're just BLUE is >all. :)

>/////////////////

>Everything I have read, going back to references and 

>research to 1919 says argyria is permanent and is reported 

>occuring at much lower dosages than those you cited. Can 

>you give me references to look up the figures you quoted?  

>Are you saying that it took 1,000 mgs of pure silver! I 

>think you need to differentiate what was actually 

>administered and at what concentration. Was is colloidal 

>silver, strong or mild silver protein (popular about 20-25 

>years ago and caused many cases of argyria) or another 

>silver solution, and what what was the actual concentration 

>of the silver in the solution administered.  All of these 

>will make a difference in what dosage is required to induce 

>argyria.  Argyria is caused when the actual silver 

>particles collect under the skin and reflect light.  

>Obviously this silver has no half-life and is not expelled 

>or flushed from the body.  One of my concerns all along was 

>the lack of research showing where the silver was stored in 

>the body and how long it took to metabolise or be flushed 

>from the system. I was unable to find one published 

>clinical reference. Can you provide me with the reference 

>to the study you cited on a 6 month "half-life". Was this 

>study published and how many subjects did it include?



The only contact I have with the "outside world" is through 

my phone

and modem.  So, when I started investigating this, I called 

all the

likely sources I could. When the universities, libraries 

and medical

community failed to turn up anything on silver toxicities, 

I tried a

unique source.  I called the local poison-control-center.  

The guy

there was very nice and tried helping me for over 45 mins. 

He searched

his CD ROM database and there is where he found the cases 

of

argyria(sp?). Since our call was interrupted by actual 

emergencies

often, I didn't feel it right to press for detailed info 

and just

wrote down what I could.  The 1000 mg of Ag by i.v. was of 

a 70 y.o.

woman. and from what I remember I believe the 1000 mg was 

in reference

to the silver portion by molecular weight.  I don't 

remember what the

compound or solution was. She was also the study of how the 

silver was

expelled. I wish I had a better lead than this for you on 

what I

found, but it's the best I can do at the moment.



There is so much we don't know about this disease that I 

don't know if

I am typing what others have already heard or not, but due 

to the fear

of Lymes in this country, I'd like to take a bit here to 

dispell some

myths.  For starters, they've traced this disease (through 

symptoms)

as far back as the early 1900's (1908?) and suspect that 

most of the

cases of arthritis in elderly people might just be due to 

having been

infected with Lymes at one time (could some forms of 

senility also be

due to this?).  So for those who are afraid of dying a 

premature death

compounded with dementia, those cases are rare.  Also is a 

myth that

the i.v. antibiotics that are used today have much of an 

effect.  And

indeed, they have been shown to actually cause some of the 

problems.

The cure can be worse than the disease.  Several months to 

a year

later all symptoms usually return.  Granted, they might be 

useful in a

life-threatening situation, but would the person have 

pulled through

without the "marvels of modern science" just as well?



I do thank you for dispelling the myths about colloidal 

silver though,

because for every moment we might be wasting our time and 

energy on a

dead-end, we could be putting it to use by following real 

cures.  I've

had a lead on someone finding success using Teasel Root.  

The only

form of it I could obtain (teasel does not grow near me) 

was a

homeopathic tincture.  Which proved to be useless in my 

case.  But

this does not mean it may not work.  I only have to find 

some someday

(the actual root) to try it in other dosages.



>

>I don't think we have enough information on how colloidal 

>silver works on a cellular level in the human body to 

>determine if it is dangerous or not, or if there is some 

>level of toxicity and at what dosages, if there are any 

>reactions with other drugs and what specific benefits it 

>even might provide.  One of the concerns I have is that if 

>it is real colloidal silver with a good zone of inhibition 

>against bacteria, that it is just as likely to kill good 

>bacteria as bad bacteria.  With the levels, dosages and 

>frequency some are claiming beneficial for ingestion 

>(without any clinical documentation or studies) the good 

>bacteria in the stomach and intestinal tract are likely to 

>be the first harmed.  From the chemists, I get that a 

>colloidal solution will no longer be a colloidal solution 

>when it hits the stomach acids.  If it doesn't (still not 

>researched or documented), then all you have are silver 

>particles and water floating around the GI track.  When 

>these issues were brought up to the MLMer's about a year 

>ago, they came up with the claim that it was sublingually 

>absorbed in the mouth and esophogus before it hit the 

>stomach acid.  Once again, this claim has never been 

>substantiated by research to prove this.  

>

>To be perfectly honest, most of the colloidal silver out 

>there is just water with some silver particles on the 

>bottom of the container, so there's more danger to a 

>person's wallet than their body. Two of the samples has 

>microbes in the product sold (that the CS was supposed to 

>kill but was alive and well), and one manufacturer was 

>using tap water which had clhorine in it and had 

>unexceptable levels of silver chloride in the product.  As 

>a whole, I don't think any will actually killyou, but I 

>can't find ANY justification personally to lay my hard 

>earned money out for products such as these. MHO

>

>>Since the medical community has failed to find a cure for >Lymes, some of us a

re left to our own experimentation to >find positive =

>results.  I think your tests have some valid >information in them, but not all 

the information.  I like >exposing fraud just as much=

> as the next person, but I also >realize that silver might be an answer in this

 case. It

>>would be interesting if you did further studies on the >antibacterial and anti

viral effects of silver at other >concentrations.  

>//////////

>The article I posted was written by Tom Grier. He is a 

>microbiologist now disabled by Lymes Disease. He has 

>written a survivor manual for those with Lymes.  If anyone 

>would want to find a cure for Lymes or show some efficacy 

>of colloidal silver against Lymes, I think Tom Grier would 

>be right there at the top of the list.  Also being a 

>microbiologist gives him some advantage over just the 

>normal consumer who is being sold something (and access to 

>a lab to do his assays). The only recent information I've 

>seen concerning silver products and Lymes is being bandied 

>about in the Lyme community and its on mild silver protein 

>which is manufactured at 1500 parts per million, and being 

>touted by the manufacturer and others with a vested 

>interest in marketing mild silver protein. I think more 

>than anything, we need in vivo human studies on what 

>ingested silver products are doing on a human cellular 

>level, where is the silver going and what is it doing when 

>it gets there.

>/////////////////////////////

>>I don't understand why silver would not be effective since >it is so widely us

ed to decontaminate water in those >devices I mention=

>ed earlier.  From what I understand, >silver is still used for certain venereal

 diseases (i.e. >silver nitrate eye-wash in newborn's=

> eyes, though silver >nitrate is one of the few if only dangerous forms of

>>silver). In my Merck Index, nearly half of the silver >compounds listed are fo

r medicinal uses only (but all for >external use, and=

> I can't find toxicity studies)  

>/////////////////////////

>Most silver products of the past were used as topical 

>antibiotics. All of the prescription silver products still 

>on the market are for topical use - not internal uses.  

>They normally aren't required to do human toxicity tests to 

>find out what happens if someone actually ingests something 

>for topical use.  Just because metallic silver can kill a 

>bacteria on contact in water or in the air doesn't 

>necessarily mean that if you drink it, it will kill the 

>bacteria in the human body.  If you put battery acid in a 

>test tube with a bacteria, you have a dead bacteria. But 

>this doesn't mean you should drink battery acid to kill 

>bacteria in your body.



Heheh, well said. :) Sometimes when we are desperate, we 

forget to

look at the obvious.  Thanks for the reminder.



> NO ONE has studied, researched, 

>documented or proven how colloidal silver and its 

>positively charged silver ion (if you're lucky and get a 

>real product) can be absorbed into  the human sustem *as a 

>colloidal*, or what it does or doesn't do, ie, interacts on 

>a cellular level with bacteria and other cells.  HIV is a 

>good example because it has been touted as a antiviral 

>capable of killing the HIV virus.  Does the silver ion 

>travel through the blood to kill HIV in the blood and how 

>does it get into the blood stream? Does the silver ion make 

>it all the way to the lymph glands where supposedly the 

>majority of HIV infected cells are? Do these silver ions 

>travel through every part of the body - glands, blood, 

>tissue, organs killing every bacteria or virus that crosses 

>it's path?  That's the problem - no one knows. And speaking 

>of HIV and colloidal silver, I have chased down every claim 

>and rumor I have heard about this, and there is absolutely 

>no documentation, blood work, or proof that shows colloidal 

>silver did any thing beneficial for an AIDS or HIV+ 

>individual.

>

>>And since Lymes has now been "categorized" as

>>actually "Deer Syphilis", there might be some >effectiveness against the spiro

chete that causes the >illness.  I hope you are not t=

>rying to dispell the whole >idea that silver works as an antibiotic and antivir

al.  >Because it has been used for centuries as such.=

>  But I do >agree, that the Colloidal silver craze does have that >flavor of "s

nake oil" to it.  It might just be that they >are not=

> using or selling the

>>right concentrations.  (But higher dosages and you might >end up blue. :) I wo

uldn't mind it though, blue is my >favorite color. :)=

>

>

>No, I think if you could somehow get a silver ion in 

>contact with this spirochete that it might kill it.  If 

>this spirochete were in a test tube or floating in a 

>controlled solution and silver was introduced to it, it 

>might probably be killed.  But where are these spirochete 

>floating around in your body? How many of them are there? 

>How do you know that these silver ions can reach them, the 

>majority of them or some of them  to do their business? How 

>do you know that silver ions can even be absorbed 

>sublingually to get into your system without falling by the 

>wayside in your stomach acid? How do any of us know what 

>dosages are effective or even harmful for that mattter? 

>



Herin lies the largest problem about Lymes.  In many cases 

they cannot

even find the spirochete in the body after infection.  When 

I was

bitten, I developed the ring-rash.  I took the tick in with 

me, and

they sent it to a lab to be tested.  THE TICK WAS NEGATIVE 

for the

spirochete!  But I've since learned that the ring-rash is 

the

definitive proof of infection.  Could something other than 

the

spirochete be causing the disease?  I'm beginning to 

suspect this

rather strongly. Then there are cases where (in books I've 

read here)

two bacteria (or was it some virus?) has to exist in the 

same organism

at the same time before the damage occurs.  Each acting as 

a catalyst

for the other in some way.  Sometimes I think this Lymes 

thing is some

demented mystery-writer's nightmare.  None of it makes 

sense. Even in

it's symptoms.  Soon as it's done playing in one part of 

your body,

off it goes to find a new party-room (organ, muscle, joint) 

to mess up

-- occasionally returning to a favorite hang-out.  If 

nothing else,

I'm getting a good lesson in anatomy from it.  One time an 

intense

pain started in my back and worked its way around my left 

and into my

chest in a matter of hours.  When checking an anatomy book, 

there it

was -- a muscle I didn't even know I had, the pain 

following it's path

precisely.  (No, it was not from strain, was bedridden that 

week.)



Yeah, this has nothing to do with silver as a cure, but who 

knows,

maybe I'm typing something here that others may not 

realize.  If

someone has Lymes, and they say they have an owie, you can 

be sure

it's not for sympathy.  The crap hurts and it never appears 

to be in

the same place.  Drives everyone nuts.  Where oh where is 

that elusive

cure?  With "my tick" not even having the spirochete I 

suspect now

that even the whole medical community may be even way off 

base on what

is causing the disease.  This could be why we are not 

finding the

right answer, we've got the wrong question.  I, in some 

small way,

still suspect that silver might be an answer, but now I'm 

going to set

my sights broader and pay attention to other minute leads 

that might

come my way.





>The truth is I don't have Lymes or any serious illness that 

>I am willing to bet on the odds against. As a cancer 

>survivor, I know that I would try many things that I 

>thought might help and probably not  kill me if I were 

>faced with another serious illness.  Everyone has to make 

>their own decisions based on their own situation in this 

>moment in life. 

>

>>(excuse the lack of cohesiveness in this, been up too >late, you get the idea 

though)

>

>Yup, me too, sorry for being so long winded.

>

>Leslie Taylor

>



Hey, excuse my long-windedness tonight too. :)  But then, 

sometimes we

find the answers to questions in the fiddly-bits others are 

typing.

I'm going to create a major faux-pas here by adding yet one 

other

newsgroup to this cross-threaded post, in the hopes that 

others might

notice something we are not. (If you reply to this, please 

check your

sending to: address list and delete where you feel 

apropriate.)



If we don't dispell the myths, people will keep suffering 

needlessly.

Like the problem with Hep-B. Since 1988 the medical 

community knew of

an herbal cure from India, but they didn't tell anyone.  

All that

time, energy, money, and more importantly LIVES just wasted

needlessly.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and our messages in a 

bottle will

reach that one individual who has had some success with 

silver, or

teasel root, or gawd knows whatever.  Until then, we need 

to keep

stuffing corks in bottles and throwing them in the sea.



(I kept most of your post intact in this Leslie, for the 

additional

newsgroup I'm adding. It's no fun entering the middle of a 

movie.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lymes cures?  (was -- Re  COLLOIDAL SILVER)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 20:36:53 GMT



Leslie, thank you for all you've added so far.  Below are some replies

to what I can answer.



On 25 Oct 1995 00:07:45 GMT, Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com> wrote:

>(and before that.... caMel wrote:)

>>And do you have any information on any toxicity studies of:

>

>>Silver Citrate

>>Silver Picrate

>>Silver Acetate

>>or

>>Silver Carbonate?

>//////////////////////////////////

>You're welcome.  Most of the air and water filtration 

>systems I've seen use simple metalic silver to purify water 

>or air.  No sorry, I haven't researched any of the the 

>above compounds for toxicity.

>

>>Do you know if any of the above silver compounds can form >toxic substances in

 the body?  I choose them for their >soluability leve=

>ls in acid conditions.

>/////////////////

>Sorry again, no research - no data on these specific 

>compounds.

>



I've since learned that the Picrate form of silver will decompose into

Picric Acid in the body.  This is a NO-NO!  Picric acid acts as a

catalyst in the body and induces a run-away fever, your body literally

burns up from inside each cell.  The others I've learned decompose

into commmon silver-chloride.  Not harmful, but also VERY insoluable

(especially in an acid environment). I've taken silver-chloride with

no results, so I've been wasting my time and the little money I have.

I suspect that colloidal forms of silver would do the same thing in

your stomach, i.e. turn to silver-chloride, be insoluable and pass

right on through.)



>>I have heard rumors of the "Lymes" cure with colloidal >silver but have been t

rying to pursue a "silver cure" >along other lines us=

>ing any ofthe above compounds.  I have >some information (though sketchy) on th

e side effect of >silver overdose (aprox. 2 grams Ag =

>orally or 1000 mg

>>i.v.) causing agyria, and that silver has a half-life in >the body of aprox. 6

 months (being expelled through a >complex bile proce=

>ss).  But I don't know if the agyria >(blue skin) is permanent or not.  One cas

e sited in the >studies I could find was of a person =

>that lived his life

>>as a side-show attraction for his blue skin, but nothing >was said if he conti

nually ingested silver to retain this >condition, i.e=

> agyria.(The other study was of an elderly >woman that was given 1000 mg i.v. w

herein they found the >half-life and the way it is e=

>xpelled, but no mention if >her agyria went away eventually.)  Other than agyri

a, no >evidence has been found that silver is toxic i=

>n the body. > (The agyria is merely a photochemical reaction in the >skin, not 

unlike camera film where silver turns dark upon >expo=

>sure to light. It's not dangerous,you're just BLUE is >all. :)

>/////////////////

>Everything I have read, going back to references and 

>research to 1919 says argyria is permanent and is reported 

>occuring at much lower dosages than those you cited. Can 

>you give me references to look up the figures you quoted?  

>Are you saying that it took 1,000 mgs of pure silver! I 

>think you need to differentiate what was actually 

>administered and at what concentration. Was is colloidal 

>silver, strong or mild silver protein (popular about 20-25 

>years ago and caused many cases of argyria) or another 

>silver solution, and what what was the actual concentration 

>of the silver in the solution administered.  All of these 

>will make a difference in what dosage is required to induce 

>argyria.  Argyria is caused when the actual silver 

>particles collect under the skin and reflect light.  

>Obviously this silver has no half-life and is not expelled 

>or flushed from the body.  One of my concerns all along was 

>the lack of research showing where the silver was stored in 

>the body and how long it took to metabolise or be flushed 

>from the system. I was unable to find one published 

>clinical reference. Can you provide me with the reference 

>to the study you cited on a 6 month "half-life". Was this 

>study published and how many subjects did it include?



The only contact I have with the "outside world" is through my phone

and modem.  So, when I started investigating this, I called all the

likely sources I could. When the universities, libraries and medical

community failed to turn up anything on silver toxicities, I tried a

unique source.  I called the local poison-control-center.  The guy

there was very nice and tried helping me for over 45 mins. He searched

his CD ROM database and there is where he found the cases of

argyria(sp?). Since our call was interrupted by actual emergencies

often, I didn't feel it right to press for detailed info and just

wrote down what I could.  The 1000 mg of Ag by i.v. was of a 70 y.o.

woman. and from what I remember I believe the 1000 mg was in reference

to the silver portion by molecular weight.  I don't remember what the

compound or solution was. She was also the study of how the silver was

expelled. I wish I had a better lead than this for you on what I

found, but it's the best I can do at the moment.



There is so much we don't know about this disease that I don't know if

I am typing what others have already heard or not, but due to the fear

of Lymes in this country, I'd like to take a bit here to dispell some

myths.  For starters, they've traced this disease (through symptoms)

as far back as the early 1900's (1908?) and suspect that most of the

cases of arthritis in elderly people might just be due to having been

infected with Lymes at one time (could some forms of senility also be

due to this?).  So for those who are afraid of dying a premature death

compounded with dementia, those cases are rare.  Also is a myth that

the i.v. antibiotics that are used today have much of an effect.  And

indeed, they have been shown to actually cause some of the problems.

The cure can be worse than the disease.  Several months to a year

later all symptoms usually return.  Granted, they might be useful in a

life-threatening situation, but would the person have pulled through

without the "marvels of modern science" just as well?



I do thank you for dispelling the myths about colloidal silver though,

because for every moment we might be wasting our time and energy on a

dead-end, we could be putting it to use by following real cures.  I've

had a lead on someone finding success using Teasel Root.  The only

form of it I could obtain (teasel does not grow near me) was a

homeopathic tincture.  Which proved to be useless in my case.  But

this does not mean it may not work.  I only have to find some someday

(the actual root) to try it in other dosages.



>

>I don't think we have enough information on how colloidal 

>silver works on a cellular level in the human body to 

>determine if it is dangerous or not, or if there is some 

>level of toxicity and at what dosages, if there are any 

>reactions with other drugs and what specific benefits it 

>even might provide.  One of the concerns I have is that if 

>it is real colloidal silver with a good zone of inhibition 

>against bacteria, that it is just as likely to kill good 

>bacteria as bad bacteria.  With the levels, dosages and 

>frequency some are claiming beneficial for ingestion 

>(without any clinical documentation or studies) the good 

>bacteria in the stomach and intestinal tract are likely to 

>be the first harmed.  From the chemists, I get that a 

>colloidal solution will no longer be a colloidal solution 

>when it hits the stomach acids.  If it doesn't (still not 

>researched or documented), then all you have are silver 

>particles and water floating around the GI track.  When 

>these issues were brought up to the MLMer's about a year 

>ago, they came up with the claim that it was sublingually 

>absorbed in the mouth and esophogus before it hit the 

>stomach acid.  Once again, this claim has never been 

>substantiated by research to prove this.  

>

>To be perfectly honest, most of the colloidal silver out 

>there is just water with some silver particles on the 

>bottom of the container, so there's more danger to a 

>person's wallet than their body. Two of the samples has 

>microbes in the product sold (that the CS was supposed to 

>kill but was alive and well), and one manufacturer was 

>using tap water which had clhorine in it and had 

>unexceptable levels of silver chloride in the product.  As 

>a whole, I don't think any will actually killyou, but I 

>can't find ANY justification personally to lay my hard 

>earned money out for products such as these. MHO

>

>>Since the medical community has failed to find a cure for >Lymes, some of us a

re left to our own experimentation to >find positive =

>results.  I think your tests have some valid >information in them, but not all 

the information.  I like >exposing fraud just as much=

> as the next person, but I also >realize that silver might be an answer in this

 case. It

>>would be interesting if you did further studies on the >antibacterial and anti

viral effects of silver at other >concentrations.  

>//////////

>The article I posted was written by Tom Grier. He is a 

>microbiologist now disabled by Lymes Disease. He has 

>written a survivor manual for those with Lymes.  If anyone 

>would want to find a cure for Lymes or show some efficacy 

>of colloidal silver against Lymes, I think Tom Grier would 

>be right there at the top of the list.  Also being a 

>microbiologist gives him some advantage over just the 

>normal consumer who is being sold something (and access to 

>a lab to do his assays). The only recent information I've 

>seen concerning silver products and Lymes is being bandied 

>about in the Lyme community and its on mild silver protein 

>which is manufactured at 1500 parts per million, and being 

>touted by the manufacturer and others with a vested 

>interest in marketing mild silver protein. I think more 

>than anything, we need in vivo human studies on what 

>ingested silver products are doing on a human cellular 

>level, where is the silver going and what is it doing when 

>it gets there.

>/////////////////////////////

>>I don't understand why silver would not be effective since >it is so widely us

ed to decontaminate water in those >devices I mention=

>ed earlier.  From what I understand, >silver is still used for certain venereal

 diseases (i.e. >silver nitrate eye-wash in newborn's=

> eyes, though silver >nitrate is one of the few if only dangerous forms of

>>silver). In my Merck Index, nearly half of the silver >compounds listed are fo

r medicinal uses only (but all for >external use, and=

> I can't find toxicity studies)  

>/////////////////////////

>Most silver products of the past were used as topical 

>antibiotics. All of the prescription silver products still 

>on the market are for topical use - not internal uses.  

>They normally aren't required to do human toxicity tests to 

>find out what happens if someone actually ingests something 

>for topical use.  Just because metallic silver can kill a 

>bacteria on contact in water or in the air doesn't 

>necessarily mean that if you drink it, it will kill the 

>bacteria in the human body.  If you put battery acid in a 

>test tube with a bacteria, you have a dead bacteria. But 

>this doesn't mean you should drink battery acid to kill 

>bacteria in your body.



Heheh, well said. :) Sometimes when we are desperate, we forget to

look at the obvious.  Thanks for the reminder.



> NO ONE has studied, researched, 

>documented or proven how colloidal silver and its 

>positively charged silver ion (if you're lucky and get a 

>real product) can be absorbed into  the human sustem *as a 

>colloidal*, or what it does or doesn't do, ie, interacts on 

>a cellular level with bacteria and other cells.  HIV is a 

>good example because it has been touted as a antiviral 

>capable of killing the HIV virus.  Does the silver ion 

>travel through the blood to kill HIV in the blood and how 

>does it get into the blood stream? Does the silver ion make 

>it all the way to the lymph glands where supposedly the 

>majority of HIV infected cells are? Do these silver ions 

>travel through every part of the body - glands, blood, 

>tissue, organs killing every bacteria or virus that crosses 

>it's path?  That's the problem - no one knows. And speaking 

>of HIV and colloidal silver, I have chased down every claim 

>and rumor I have heard about this, and there is absolutely 

>no documentation, blood work, or proof that shows colloidal 

>silver did any thing beneficial for an AIDS or HIV+ 

>individual.

>

>>And since Lymes has now been "categorized" as

>>actually "Deer Syphilis", there might be some >effectiveness against the spiro

chete that causes the >illness.  I hope you are not t=

>rying to dispell the whole >idea that silver works as an antibiotic and antivir

al.  >Because it has been used for centuries as such.=

>  But I do >agree, that the Colloidal silver craze does have that >flavor of "s

nake oil" to it.  It might just be that they >are not=

> using or selling the

>>right concentrations.  (But higher dosages and you might >end up blue. :) I wo

uldn't mind it though, blue is my >favorite color. :)=

>

>

>No, I think if you could somehow get a silver ion in 

>contact with this spirochete that it might kill it.  If 

>this spirochete were in a test tube or floating in a 

>controlled solution and silver was introduced to it, it 

>might probably be killed.  But where are these spirochete 

>floating around in your body? How many of them are there? 

>How do you know that these silver ions can reach them, the 

>majority of them or some of them  to do their business? How 

>do you know that silver ions can even be absorbed 

>sublingually to get into your system without falling by the 

>wayside in your stomach acid? How do any of us know what 

>dosages are effective or even harmful for that mattter? 

>



Herin lies the largest problem about Lymes.  In many cases they cannot

even find the spirochete in the body after infection.  When I was

bitten, I developed the ring-rash.  I took the tick in with me, and

they sent it to a lab to be tested.  THE TICK WAS NEGATIVE for the

spirochete!  But I've since learned that the ring-rash is the

definitive proof of infection.  Could something other than the

spirochete be causing the disease?  I'm beginning to suspect this

rather strongly. Then there are cases where (in books I've read here)

two bacteria (or was it some virus?) has to exist in the same organism

at the same time before the damage occurs.  Each acting as a catalyst

for the other in some way.  Sometimes I think this Lymes thing is some

demented mystery-writer's nightmare.  None of it makes sense. Even in

it's symptoms.  Soon as it's done playing in one part of your body,

off it goes to find a new party-room (organ, muscle, joint) to mess up

-- occasionally returning to a favorite hang-out.  If nothing else,

I'm getting a good lesson in anatomy from it.  One time an intense

pain started in my back and worked its way around my left and into my

chest in a matter of hours.  When checking an anatomy book, there it

was -- a muscle I didn't even know I had, the pain following it's path

precisely.  (No, it was not from strain, was bedridden that week.)



Yeah, this has nothing to do with silver as a cure, but who knows,

maybe I'm typing something here that others may not realize.  If

someone has Lymes, and they say they have an owie, you can be sure

it's not for sympathy.  The crap hurts and it never appears to be in

the same place.  Drives everyone nuts.  Where oh where is that elusive

cure?  With "my tick" not even having the spirochete I suspect now

that even the whole medical community may be even way off base on what

is causing the disease.  This could be why we are not finding the

right answer, we've got the wrong question.  I, in some small way,

still suspect that silver might be an answer, but now I'm going to set

my sights broader and pay attention to other minute leads that might

come my way.





>The truth is I don't have Lymes or any serious illness that 

>I am willing to bet on the odds against. As a cancer 

>survivor, I know that I would try many things that I 

>thought might help and probably not  kill me if I were 

>faced with another serious illness.  Everyone has to make 

>their own decisions based on their own situation in this 

>moment in life. 

>

>>(excuse the lack of cohesiveness in this, been up too >late, you get the idea 

though)

>

>Yup, me too, sorry for being so long winded.

>

>Leslie Taylor

>



Hey, excuse my long-windedness tonight too. :)  But then, sometimes we

find the answers to questions in the fiddly-bits others are typing.

I'm going to create a major faux-pas here by adding yet one other

newsgroup to this cross-threaded post, in the hopes that others might

notice something we are not. (If you reply to this, please check your

sending to: address list and delete where you feel apropriate.)



If we don't dispell the myths, people will keep suffering needlessly.

Like the problem with Hep-B. Since 1988 the medical community knew of

an herbal cure from India, but they didn't tell anyone.  All that

time, energy, money, and more importantly LIVES just wasted

needlessly.  Maybe we'll get lucky, and our messages in a bottle will

reach that one individual who has had some success with silver, or

teasel root, or gawd knows whatever.  Until then, we need to keep

stuffing corks in bottles and throwing them in the sea.



(I kept most of your post intact in this Leslie, for the additional

newsgroup I'm adding. It's no fun entering the middle of a movie.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alzheimer's Disease, Inc. vs. gingko biloba

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 19:03:06 -0500





1750                                            October 25, 11995



On the first page of  the October 24, 1995 issue of the "New York

Times" is an article entitled "If Tests Hint Alzheimer's, Should a Patient

Be Told?", written by Gina Kolata.



This article reports that, at a *closed* meeting of the Alzheimer's

Association and the National Institute on Aging in Chicago this past

weekend, it was decided that the results of a genetic test which is said

to be capable of predicting possibly as high as a 90% degree of prob-

ability of a patient coming down with Alzheimer's disease should *not*

be used to 'predict the risk of the disease at this time'; and, instead, that

'more research' should be done to 'determine the exact risks predicted

by different apo E genes.' Dr. Norman Reilken, the organizer of the

meeting, for example, said that 'doctors who had used the test for other

reasons (i.e., for determining the risk of heart disease) were *not* ob-

liged to inform their patients of its connection to risk of Alzheimer's dis-

ease.' (emphasis added)



Now, the reason why these doctors are said to be unwilling to inform

patients of the results of such tests and the connection with Alzheim-

er's disease is that "there is nothing that medicine can do about it."

Dr. Rudolph E. Tanzi, an Alzheimer's researcher at Massachusetts

General Hospital, for example, stated that: "If there were DRUGS

or a chance of changing your lifestyle to avoid Alzheimer's disease

we wouldn't have this big a problem." (Emphasis added). In fact,

possibly for those who may very well be exhibiting some of the early

symptoms of Alzheimer's disease, it is directly stated or implied no less

than *five* times in this article that NOTHING CAN BE DONE to

alleviate the symptoms of Alzheimer's disease...which, BTW, is cer-

tainly news to me...



On the contrary, I would suggest that a much more *accurate* state-

ment would be that "nothing can be done which the Western medical

paradigm *approves of* and which can be sufficiently *profitable* to

the medical establishment/drug industry in the United States:



1) Research in England, France, and Germany on an herb called gingko

biloba (Published by Keats Publishing of New Canaan, Connecticut)

reports significant amelioration of the symptoms of Alzheimer's disease

with dosages in the range of 120-240 mg/day. (Additional research

on gingko biloba can also be found in a book entitled "Herbal Tonic

Therapies" by Daniel Mowrey, which is also available from Keats

Publishing Company: 1-800-858-7014)



2) Dr. Paul Barney, M.D. and professor of Natural Products Chem-

istry at Weber State University in Ogden, Utah, reported at a Natural

Products Seminar on October 15, 1995 that gingko biloba was ad-

ministered to approximately 100 patients at a nursing home in Utah

and that *every single patient* demonstrated significant if not dramatic

amelioration of symptoms (research indicates that gingko biloba is also

helpful in strokes, circulatory disorders, macular degeneration, asthma,

tinnitus, hearing loss, and impotence).



3) I am personally aware of one case of a 76 year old woman with

Alzheimer's disease who was placed on a dosage of 120 mg. per day.

After only two weeks she was able to feed herself once again, put on

her own make-up, and to recognize and carry on a conversation with

the members of her family--after having been unable to do any of these

things for a period of *two years*. After she had been on gingko biloba

for a period of one month, however, she developed a rash of unknown

etiology--whereupon the doctor concluded that she was allergic to the

gingko biloba and ordered it stopped--and within two weeks she was

unable to feed herself, put on her make-up, or recognize any of the mem-

bers of her family.  (Oh the WONDERS of the Western medical para-

digm!!! These people are *almost* as brilliant as the Jewish, Christian,

and "Muslim" religious officials!!!) 



Now, the reason why the Alzheimer's Association, the Alzheimer's re-

searchers, and most doctors are, apparently, uninterested in gingko bil-

oba is that it can be bought off the shelf in most health food stores. Not

only does it not require a prescription (thus threatening the power and

control these doctors apparently need to have over their patients), but it

is also not produced by the DRUG companies in the United States--who,

of course, have witlessly invested millions of dollars in the research and

development of Alzheimer drugs and, of course, have to recoup their in-

vestment as well as obtain *more* money for yet *more* witless re-

search--*regardless*, apparently, of the cost in terms of human suffering.



To the degree that neither the Alzheimer's Association, nor the Alzheim-

er's researchers, nor the American Medical (sic) Association, *nor* the

media in the United States can be expected to publicize the effectiveness

of gingko biloba in the treatment of conditions such as Alzheimer's dis-

ease, I would hope that anyone who reads this information would con-

vey it to anyone you know who might have a spouse, a relative, a friend,

an acquaintance--or even an *enemy*--who has or knows anyone who

has a history of Alzheimer's disease in the family. And I suggest that any-

one who has had a genetic test done for the risk of heart disease question

his or her doctor *very closely* as to the risk for developing Alzheimer's

disease inasmuch as the *sooner* the dosage of gingko biloba is started,

the more effective it can be in the amelioration of the symptoms of Alz-

heimer's disease.



Michael (Daniel 12:1, Sura 2:98)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alzheimer's Disease, Inc. vs. gingko biloba

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 15:11:19 -0500



Two publications from Keats Publishing might be helpful.

Ginkgo Biloba by Frand Murray and Herbal Tonic Therapies

by Daniel Mowrey.

 

Michael



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: C A N C E R -- Chromium Picolinate May Cause Cancer!!

From: preston@indy.net (Preston J. Tuchman)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:18:44 GMT



THE INDIANAPOLIS STAR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 25,1995



Study shows chromium pills may 

cause chromosome damage.

Genetic changes found in hamster cells 

indicate supplements may lead to cancer.



By Jane E. Brody

NEW YORK TIMES





Chromium picolinate, a dietary 

supplement popular among fitness 

buffs and people trying to lose 

weight, has been shown in tests 

done on cells grown in the 

laboratory to cause severe damage 

to chromosomes.



Although no animal studies of 

the supplement's cancer-causing 

potential have yet been done, the 

genetic changes observed in the 

laboratory suggest that this widely 

sold supplement could be 

carcinogenic.



Chromium is being promoted as 

an aid to losing weight without 

having to exert willpower and to 

loosing fat without loosing lean 

body mass. It is said to curb the 

appetite and favor the buildup of

muscle tissue, though neither of 

these claims has been tested in a 

systematic scientific way.



As an essential nutrient needed 

by the body in trace amounts, 

chromium is critical to the workings 

of insulin and is therefore involved 

in the metabolism of the blood 

sugar glucose and in the 

metabolism of fat.



Chromium is found in a variety of 

foods, including liver, cheese, 

whole-grain breads and cereals, 

apples and vegetables like broccoli 

and mushrooms. The recommended 

daily intake for adults is only 50 to 

200 micrograms, yet many people 

fail to consume even this small 

amount.



Chromium picolinate, the most 

popular of the chromium 

supplements, is widely sold in 

health food stores. supermarkets 

and pharmacies. The results of a 

new study examining the effects of 

the supplement are to be published 

in the December issue of the Faseb 

Journal, the publication of the 

Federation of American Society of 

Experimental Biology.



In the study, researchers at 

Dartmouth College and George 

Washington University Medical 

Canter tested the effects of 

chromium picolinate on cells taken 

from the ovary of a Chinese 

hamster.



When exposed to reasonable 

doses of chromium picolinate, the 

cells suffered chromosomal damage 

that ranged from three-times to 

18-times the amount that occurred 

in cells exposed to other chromium 

compounds. Such damage is 

considered an indicator of a 

substance's cancer-causing 

potential.



One of the researchers, Dr. 

Steven R. Patierno noted that when 

performing its role as an essential 

mineral, chromium normally acted 

outside of cells and was generally 

not absorbed into cells. But when 

chromium is combined with an 

organic substance like picolinate, 

he said, it is able to get inside cells, 

where it could get to the cells' 

genetic machinery. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Request for contributions to New Age Journal

From: lj@ursa-major.spdcc.com (Leonard Jacobs)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:28:48 GMT



New Age Journal, the nation's leading natural-lifestyles magazine,

is planning an article on home remedies for our

January/February 1996 issue, and we'd like to hear about yours. 

If you use herbs, nutritional supplements, homeopathic remedies,

flower essences, aromatherapy, acupressure, or other natural methods

to treat everyday health complaints, tell us what works for you. We're

looking for practical information on dealing with colds, headaches,

indigestion, insomnia, PMS, sore throats, and other common ailments,

as well as for first-aid situations such as stings, cuts, and burns.

Please respond by November 5, and please be as specific as possible

regarding your remedies. E-mail us at 72350.3346@compuserve.com, or

at editor@newage.com. Or fax us at (617) 926-5021. Thanks.

~





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Folium Sennae

From: tjb@synapse.net (Thomas J. Brennan)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:40:10 GMT



I would like more information concerning this plant. What it is used

for, can it be grown in Eastern Ontario and where can one obtain the

seeds. It is sold in Poland as leaves "LISC SENESU" and packaged by a

company called "Herbapol"

Be carefull with your thoughts for they may become words at any moment.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Folium Sennae

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 13:48:35 GMT



In article <46msp1$48t@sentinel.synapse.net>,

   tjb@synapse.net (Thomas J. Brennan) wrote:



>I would like more information concerning this plant. What it is used

>for, can it be grown in Eastern Ontario and where can one obtain the

>seeds. It is sold in Poland as leaves "LISC SENESU" and packaged by a

>company called "Herbapol"

>Be carefull with your thoughts for they may become words at any moment.

>

Folium sennae ... leaves of Cassia senna used as a laxative or cathartic.



As "senna" it should be readily available as the dry leaf form, but it's a 

tropical plant that grows in hot dry climates .... Eastern Ontario might 

not suit it for growing your own.



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Richters HerbLetter 95/10/25

From: conrad@richters.com

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:40:54 EDT



-----------------------   Richters Herbletter   ------------------------

   Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                     Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

   Editor:           Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

   

                     *** Trial issue: feedback welcome ***

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Issue ID: 95/10/25 22:00 GMT             



Contents

------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Herb Suppliers Travel World; Search is on for New Plants  

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Stephen Leahy

   GOODWOOD, Ont., Oct. 19, Toronto Star -- Conrad Richter travels the 

globe searching for herb plants.  He worries traditional knowledge about 

using the estimated 100,000 plants in the world is being lost as indigeneous

cultures become westernized. 

   To his way of thinking, this is a greater loss than the decomation of 

the rain forests. 

   "It took hundreds of generations of trial and error to acquire this 

knowledge which could be gone within a generation," he says, shortly after 

a trip to Africa.

   Richter's concern is both personal and professional.  With his mother 

Waltraut, he runs Richters, one of Canada's largest herb growers and 

suppliers.  Their 10-acre herb farm, on Bloomington Rd. just west of 

Uxbridge, is the centre of a world-wide network of growers and customers 

for hundreds of different plants and seeds. 

   There are herbs for the kitchen such as West African basil or the Swiss 

grolau chives.  For fragrance, there's India's rose-scented geranium grass

and for colds, China's bur marigold. 

   While their customers are equally far-flung, most of the 100,000 who 

receive their annualy 100-page herb catalogue are in Canada and the United 

States. 

   The business got its start when Waltraut Richter and her husband Otto 

emigrated to Canada from Austria in the 1950s.  Trained in the nursery 

business, they soon had a thriving enterprise in bedding plants in north

Pickering. 

   Unable to get herbs here, they started growing their own.  Word soon got 

around and more and more people came looking for herbs to freshen up their 

cooking or just to have some pleasant-smelling plants around the house. 

   The interest attracted the attention of a writer at The Star and a feature 

article in 1969 put the Richters into the herb business.

   "Hundreds of people called after that article," Conrad recalls. 

   It was a good thing, too.  A few years later, the provincial government 

expropriated their farm and 29,000 square feet of greenhouses for the future 

city of Cedarwood, later called Seaton.  Forced to move farther north with 

only enough money to re-build 6,000 square feet of greenhouses, their bedding 

plant business collapsed. 

   The Richters suffered significant financial losses, but Conrad says his 

parents would not give up.  And thanks to the growing interest in herbs, they 

were able to survive. 

   The Richters didn't give up their fight over what they believed was 

inadequate compensation for the expropriation. After 20 years, the province's 

land compensation board will hear their case this fall. 

   Most of their plants are sold by mail.  To ensure safe delivery of delicate 

plants, the Richters invented their own shipping box.  From 6 to 36 plants

can safely [be] shipped almost anywhere in the world.

   "The box can be turned upside down and kicked like a football and the 

plants will be fine," he says. 

   Inventing a foolproof shipping container was a straight-forward problem 

compared with identifying and using the tens of thousands of herbs that are 

little known here [in] North America. 

   While travelling recently in Ghana, Conrad was shown a three-foot shrub 

in the middle of a field by a local herbalist and told it was good for severe 

headaches. 



------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Richters Herb Catalogue: 100 pages, colour, over 730 herb plants, 

   seeds, and dried herbs.  Order by email at catalog@richters.com.  

------------------------------------------------------------------------



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbstuffs...

From: Krystopher Marentette <marentb@server.uwindsor.ca>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 02:58:08 GMT





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        Often trying to imitate the actions and benefits of Nature,

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effects such as stomach pain, insomnia, drowsiness, skinn irritation etc.

In turn we then use another chemical substitute to subdue that. 

        It can be a never-ending cycle. 

        This occurs because the agents found in the original plant source

which prevent such side effects and aid the body in accepting treatment

are missing from the chemical substitute. 

        Today, realizing once again that the Earth has provided us with

all we need, we have given a rebirth to the old ways. There will always be

a need for medical professionals and their talent of diagnosis. Often

medically proven Herbal remedies are more than sufficient in treating or

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Melatonin:Need info please

From: lorenz1000@aol.com (Lorenz1000)

Date: 25 Oct 1995 23:01:20 -0400



Anyone have information on this supplement?  Good brands, bad brands? 

What form is it?  What is it professed to do?  Any experiences with it? 

Is it good or just the latest fad?  All info appreciated.  E-mail direct

or post.  Thank you in advance.

Bruce L.

O    O

    *

  \__/



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Schools in Europe?

From: cokenias@mtn-palace.com (Damon Cokenias)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:10:22 -0700



I'm looking for information on schools of herbalism in Europe, and in

Germany or the U.K. in particular.  Any names, addresses, websites etc.

would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,

Elizabeth Wylie

ewylie@mtn-palace.com



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Schools in Europe?

From: David Powner <David@filtermx.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:30:40 GMT



In article <cokenias-2510952310220001@coyote.mtn-palace.com>

           cokenias@mtn-palace.com "Damon Cokenias" writes:



> I'm looking for information on schools of herbalism in Europe, and in

> Germany or the U.K. in particular.  Any names, addresses, websites etc.

> would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> Thanks,

> Elizabeth Wylie

> ewylie@mtn-palace.com



Herewith a file that I keep for such enquiries as yours; I imagine that the

one year course may be best suited, but he others are mentioned as well.



I hope they are of interest - feel free to email if you have questions.



Cheers



Dave Powner



************************************************************************



Details of Correspondence courses here in the UK.



As far as I'm aware, there is only the one college that offers proper

qualifications via mail.



The School of Phytotherapy

Bucksteep Manor

Bodle Street Green

Nr. Hailsham BN27 4 RJ

Phone: (0)1323 833812

Fax  : (0)1323 833869



This college does several courses:



Four year full time residential course. This now leads to a BSc Honours 

Degree in Phytotherapy, and one is legally permitted to practice as a Medical 

Herbalist upon qualification, and to apply for membership of a professional 

body such as N.I.M.H.

Current Fees: 3,900.00 per year

------------------------



Four year correspondence course. Similar to above, with a Diploma in Herbal 

Medicine. Also permits the practising of Herbal Medicine, and to apply for

professional membership.

Current Fees: 160 sterling per quarter excluding books, seminars, exams etc.



There is also a requirement to undertake 500 hours of clinical training

at about 2.50 sterling per hour - spread over the four years. Also yearly

seminars at a cost of 140 each (excluding accommodation)



Overseas students can arrange to have their clinical training with an 

approved herbalist in their own country, but the 5 day seminars are only

held in the UK - one each year, and are obligatory.



This is the course that I'm aiming at taking; it involves 20/30 hrs per week

studying, but I reckon it's good value for money. Depends what you want out

of it!

-----------------------



One Year correspondence course: leads to a Certificate of Herbal studies, but

does not permit the practising of Herbal Medicine. It is necessary to attend

an examination/seminar at the end of the year if the certificate is required.

Current Fees: 130 sterling per quarter or 475 if paid in full in advance

The weekend seminar is 80 sterling (excluding accommodation)

-----------------------



There are other courses for GPs & Osteopaths etc., and Introductory and

Preliminary courses in Biology & Chemistry. The college has recently had

degree status granted for their four year residential course, as herbal 

medicine is regaining worldwide acceptance.





-- 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Gingko and the Elderly

From: steffan@mbnet.mb.ca (Cindi Steffan)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:13:11



Any comments on the use of gingko and the elderly.  My co-workers Mother is 93 

and is a going concern.



Thanks, Cindi



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Gingko and the Elderly

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 08:39:25 -0500



Please see the note on Alzheimer's Disease, Inc. vs. gingko

biloba.

 

Michael



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  Folic Acid

From: steffan@mbnet.mb.ca (Cindi Steffan)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:15:06



My co-worker and I are trying to find out about folic acid, in particular, 

natural sources.



Thanks for your help.



Cindi



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: RE:  Folic Acid

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 13:48:44 GMT



In article <steffan.19.000940BC@mbnet.mb.ca>,

   steffan@mbnet.mb.ca (Cindi Steffan) wrote:



>My co-worker and I are trying to find out about folic acid, in particular, 

>natural sources.





FOLIC = leaves = green leafy vegetables



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Folic Acid

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 15:49:33 -0400



sources of folic acid: liver, kidneys, chicken giblets, and cooked green

leafy vegetables. Vitamin C is necessary before folic acid can be changed

into a usable form. It's probably a good idea  to take Vitamin E as well

as vitamin C as a safeguard because both of these vitamins have been given

with folic acid to cure folic-acid-deficiency anemia.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re:melatonin and depression?(flower essences)

From: an303538@anon.penet.fi (*mouse****~)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:07:59 UTC



Grace---I'm glad Flower Essences work so well for you.  I also use 

Rescue Remedy and some others and they definitely help...but only as a 

supplement to the antidepressant I'm already on.  There's no way I 

could go off now, even with Flower Essences.  Just thought I'd throw in 

my 2 cents for others who may be reading.





You wrote: 

>

>Cathy-I have heard of melatonin being used for sleep problems.  I have 

>started using Bach's Flower Essences.  Rescue Remedy is good for 

>depression or the "at the end of my rope" feeling.  I've been on 

>anti-depressants for 2 1/2 years and also suffer from the Seasonal 

>Affective Disorder in the fall.  I started using this about a month 

ago 

>and I feel as if I can almost stop using my anti-depressant.  You 

don't 

>have to take it all the time either. Check it out.  I found it at the 

>local natural food store.  Hope this helps!  

>

>



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Adult acne

From: fortuna@sam.neosoft.com (Kathy Biehl)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:55:53 UNDEFINED



What helps reduce acne redness?  

I've been trying to avoid the dermatologist and the probability of 

spending months on erythromyocin.  I've been taking yellow dock and tea 

from Oregon grape root.  So far topical tea tree oil has helped the most, 

though it's working very slowly.



Thank you,



Kathy Biehl

fortuna@sam.neosoft.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 22:02:44 -0700



Kathy Biehl (fortuna@sam.neosoft.com) wrote:

: What helps reduce acne redness?  

: I've been trying to avoid the dermatologist and the probability of 

: spending months on erythromyocin.  I've been taking yellow dock and tea 

: from Oregon grape root.  So far topical tea tree oil has helped the most, 

: though it's working very slowly.



I have a similar condition.  I've seen it described in medical circles as

"Rosacea," and the article I read noted that it required the care of a 

dermatologist.  As I would not like to take that route, I would like to

know if anyone else out there has had any experience with rosacea and 

possibly knows any treatments, topical or otherwise, that Kathy and I

can use for this condition?



--jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 08:39:34 -0400



Some people have used zinc gluconate to get rid of acne. You start out

with one pill (approximately 50 mg) three times a day; if necessary go to

as many as three pills three times a day. One person in my family no

longer has acne after using three pills three times a day. She no longer

takes zinc either.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Kathleen M Ford <kat@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 07:38:43 -0700



On 27 Oct 1995, Jennifer B. Jakiel wrote:



> Kathy Biehl (fortuna@sam.neosoft.com) wrote:

> : What helps reduce acne redness?  

> : I've been trying to avoid the dermatologist and the probability of 

> : spending months on erythromyocin.  I've been taking yellow dock and tea 

> : from Oregon grape root.  So far topical tea tree oil has helped the most, 

> : though it's working very slowly.

> 

> I have a similar condition.  I've seen it described in medical circles as

> "Rosacea," and the article I read noted that it required the care of a 

> dermatologist.  As I would not like to take that route, I would like to

> know if anyone else out there has had any experience with rosacea and 

> possibly knows any treatments, topical or otherwise, that Kathy and I

> can use for this condition?

> 

> --jen

> 

> 

> 

i am interested in this also - thanks kat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 18:27:42 GMT



Kathleen M Ford <kat@selway.umt.edu> wrote:



>> I have a similar condition.  I've seen it described in medical circles as

>> "Rosacea," and the article I read noted that it required the care of a 

>> dermatologist.  As I would not like to take that route, I would like to

>> know if anyone else out there has had any experience with rosacea and 

>> possibly knows any treatments, topical or otherwise, that Kathy and I

>> can use for this condition?

>> 

>> --jen

>> 

>> 

>> 

>i am interested in this also - thanks kat



I'm afraid I'm becoming a broken record about booze, but... you might try 

stopping any alcohol use for a few months and see if that helps with the 

rosacea. While alcohol is not the cause of rosacea, it does evidently 

exacerbate it quite a bit-- hence the cartoon portrayal of alcoholics 

with fluorescent red noses. 

I believe there are other dietary changes you can make which will also 

help the condition, but can't for the life of me remember now what they 

are. You might ask your doc for info. If s/he doesn't know about it, 

e-mail me and I'll see if I can hunt it down for you.

Good Luck!

Liz (lizjones+@pitt.edu)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: weigand@ssnet.com (Steve Weigand)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 22:36:04 -0500



In article <fortuna.70.00AF1E99@sam.neosoft.com>,

Kathy Biehl <fortuna@sam.neosoft.com> wrote:

>What helps reduce acne redness?  

>I've been trying to avoid the dermatologist and the probability of 

>spending months on erythromyocin.  I've been taking yellow dock and tea 

>from Oregon grape root.  So far topical tea tree oil has helped the most, 

>though it's working very slowly.



They give erythromycin for acne?  I took that stuff once after being

sick with an amazing flu for several weeks.  Cleared my flu right up!



Ciao for now,

  - Steve Weigand

    (weigand@marlin.ssnet.com)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:33:53 GMT



On 23 Oct 1995 15:38:42 -0400, mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1) wrote:



>Extremely herbal???? It is a schnapps made from cinnamon and licorice I

>believe...but outside of its medicinal purposes...wink,wink...why do you

>say that it is "extremely herbal?



Uh, I hate to tell you this, but MOST if not all alchoholic beverages

were originally produced as "medicinals".  Beer for one.  The only

reason they have hops in it is NOT for the bitterness (which most have

learned to like and expect) but due to the sedative effects of hops.

In fact, they used to actually use valerian in beer instead of hops,

but the odor is so disagreable that it was eventually replaced with

the hops.  Same thing with all your fancy liquors.  The recipes for

many, many, many of them came from medicinal sources. From Ouzo to

Galliano, from Brandy and Benedictine (B&B) to Creme de Menthe.  Each

and every one of them was for medicinal purposes originally.  One

interesting case (whose whole story escapes me for the moment) was the

recipe for Benedictine which was a directly from the history of some

religious order and was a cure for "what ails you". (I think too that

Galliano has a simliar story behind it.) All these recipes for your

favorite alcoholic flavors came from "herbal remedies". In some rare

instances, you can read the history of the liquor's recipe on the

label, in others you have to hunt for the "story" on where that

particular flavor came from.  I used to be a bartender for many years

and was fasciinated in the origins of what I was pouring.  Little did

I know that it was only a precursor to my studies in other herbal

remedies. 



(ya know? The more I think about it, the more my whole life is tieing

together in one nice little package. People used to say I had no

direction in life, little did I know I was constantly on the right

path the whole time. :)



I just checked my dictionary, under Liquor.  Definition #2 is "a

watery solution of a drug". (In case you had doubts.)



When a doctor blames someone for "self-medicating" on alcoholic drinks

you can now be sure that that person is actually using REAL medicine.

(Something the doctor tries to discredit and discount, s/he needs your

dependence on HIM/HER (for income), not other cures. (no, I don't

drink alhohol, I'm not justifying MY use here, (mentioned for those

who are more than happy to discount this by saying I'm an alcoholic)))



Often, what we crave, is EXACTLY what we need. (just as any animal,

when ill, will seek out and ingest a specific plant or mineral source)



Do you like "bitters" or quinine (tonic) drinks?  Maybe your body is

demanding you get the right "meds" in your body.  (Bitters is a

classic example of a recipe from a purely medicinal source.)  Don't

overlook the bar when you are searching for medicinal cures, some of

them have been used before written history.  I am not advocating

abuse.  I AM advocating that people look at these drinks in a new

light.  After all the propaganda over the last 50 (or so) years by

none other than the "medical community" (who else?), it would be a

shame to lose such a grand source of knowledge of healing as lay

corked in those bottles on the shelves of your local bar.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 13:12:33 GMT



camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:

>On 23 Oct 1995 15:38:42 -0400, mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1) wrote:

>

>>Extremely herbal???? It is a schnapps made from cinnamon and licorice I

>>believe...but outside of its medicinal purposes...wink,wink...why do you

>>say that it is "extremely herbal?

>

>Uh, I hate to tell you this, but MOST if not all alchoholic beverages

>were originally produced as "medicinals".  Beer for one.  <snip>



Folklore about the origins of this stuff is really fascinating. Actually 

I think the first beer ever made(so far as we know) was produced in large 

quantities by the ancient Egyptians. Not sure if they used hops or what. 

Just remember all the DJ's cracking jokes about it when some 

archaeologists discovered evidence for it a few years ago.

 

>When a doctor blames someone for "self-medicating" on alcoholic drinks

>you can now be sure that that person is actually using REAL medicine.



Alcohol is definitely a sedative and a depressant. It is a psychoactive 

chemical. No doctor worth his salt would deny that... I think the reason 

MD's and many others have concerns about alcohol as "self-medication" is 

that it has some pretty drastic side effects-- liver toxicity, reduced 

inhibition and motor control, addiction, death from overdose, 

brain damage, bleeding ulcers...



>(Something the doctor tries to discredit and discount, s/he needs your

>dependence on HIM/HER (for income), not other cures. (no, I don't

>drink alhohol, I'm not justifying MY use here, (mentioned for those

>who are more than happy to discount this by saying I'm an alcoholic)))

>



My question would be more along these lines... if the stuff is so great, 

why DON'T you use it? I think there are many good reasons not to drink 

alcohol, however, and suspect you also are aware of them.



>Often, what we crave, is EXACTLY what we need. (just as any animal,

>when ill, will seek out and ingest a specific plant or mineral source)

>

The main problem with ethanol is that, as with concentrated sugar, many 

people's bodies develop an artificial crave for it... this is why it's 

addicting. I crave spinach from time to time, and orange juice. This is 

my body saying, "Hey, you need this"... but jelly bellies have no 

nutritional value for your body. And I crave them too. So sometimes your 

body knows what it needs and sometimes it doesn't. For most people, the 

presence of ethanol pretty much overwhelms the presence of other 

compounds present in the drink. Use of tinctures is a bit different since 

the amount used is small, it is a solution heavily saturated with one 

herb, and the ethanol is frequently boiled off before it is drunk. (or 

before you are...) 

Liz



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 03:07:02 GMT



On 26 Oct 1995 13:12:33 GMT, Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:



>camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:

>>On 23 Oct 1995 15:38:42 -0400, mistkat1@aol.com (MistKat1) wrote:

>>

>>When a doctor blames someone for "self-medicating" on alcoholic drinks

>>you can now be sure that that person is actually using REAL medicine.

>

>Alcohol is definitely a sedative and a depressant. It is a psychoactive 

>chemical. No doctor worth his salt would deny that... I think the reason 

>MD's and many others have concerns about alcohol as "self-medication" is 

>that it has some pretty drastic side effects-- liver toxicity, reduced 

>inhibition and motor control, addiction, death from overdose, 

>brain damage, bleeding ulcers...

>

Nearly all anti-depressants are CNS-depressants (and also

psychoactive, also toxic -- read the contraindication sheets sometime;

renal, hepatic, and gastrointestinal damage is very common, and

sometimes even permanent). Alchohol MAY do the same. Yes, there are

many side effect to alcohol, but there are just as many if not more

side-effects to FDA approved drugs that thousands die from every year.

People should be given an INFORMED choice.



>>(Something the doctor tries to discredit and discount, s/he needs your

>>dependence on HIM/HER (for income), not other cures. (no, I don't

>>drink alhohol, I'm not justifying MY use here, (mentioned for those

>>who are more than happy to discount this by saying I'm an alcoholic)))

>>

>

>My question would be more along these lines... if the stuff is so great, 

>why DON'T you use it? I think there are many good reasons not to drink 

>alcohol, however, and suspect you also are aware of them.

>

You missed the whole point of my post.  I am speaking of the herbs

that are used in the liquors, NOT the ethanol. The reason I don't grab

for them first (nor for homeopathic tinctures) is that I cured myself

of Hep-B two years ago and am taking my time before I use ethanol

recreationally again. (15 years of damage by virus does not go away

overnight, btw: you ARE aware that ulcers are caused by a bacteria,

aren't you??)  This does not mean I will not use the liquors for

medicinal purposes however, if need be. But perhaps, your reply proved

my point about the misinformation and propaganda put out by the

medical community over the last many many years. You immediately

focused on the ethanol factor, not the curative factor of the herbs

they contain.  See?  You too are more worried about abuse than their

proper use and curative powers.  This is precisely the kind of

reaction they would hope for.  Question a readily available cure that

has been proven effective for centuries and then don't use it. And

above all, warn EVERYONE to stay away from ALL forms of alcohol!!!

(Haven't you read the studies on 2 glasses of wine each night fending

off heart disease and even tooth decay?)  Seems you've learned their

lessons well. I learned to question ALL sources of information -- even

my own. And I ESPECIALLY question ANY sources where the "source" would

directly or indirectly benefit from the information they provided  I

welcome you questioning my post, but for you to spew the same old

propaganda gets tiresome. People who don't know of the dangers of

ethanol abuse are either dead, brain-dead, or haven't been born yet.

(sorry for this soundy snippy, but your reply is so typical, I get

tired of them)



>>Often, what we crave, is EXACTLY what we need. (just as any animal,

>>when ill, will seek out and ingest a specific plant or mineral source)

>>

>The main problem with ethanol is that, as with concentrated sugar, many 

>people's bodies develop an artificial crave for it... this is why it's 

>addicting. I crave spinach from time to time, and orange juice. This is 

>my body saying, "Hey, you need this"... but jelly bellies have no 

>nutritional value for your body. And I crave them too. So sometimes your 

>body knows what it needs and sometimes it doesn't. For most people, the 

>presence of ethanol pretty much overwhelms the presence of other 

>compounds present in the drink. Use of tinctures is a bit different since 

>the amount used is small, it is a solution heavily saturated with one 

>herb, and the ethanol is frequently boiled off before it is drunk. (or 

>before you are...) 

>Liz

>

(Have you thought about the mints, citric acid, and other herb flavors

in your jelly-beans? How do you know your body is not craving sugar

for a good reason and not a bad one? How do you get away with making

such broad generalizations as "For MOST people, the presence of

ethanol ... overwhelms the ... other compounds.."  Do you PERSONALLY

KNOW "most" people?  I have news for you, NO TWO PEOPLE ARE ALIKE! NOT

EVEN IDENTICAL TWINS!)

>

Read my previous paragraph on your focus on ethanol, you need to let

go of some of the brainwashing you've been through, but then, maybe

you have a vested interest in pushing homeopathic cures and would like

to have people dependent on you too, it's hard to say.  I on the other

hand encourage people to be dependent on themselves. The more easily-

available cures that are known about, the less anyone will need to

suffer needlessly and go bankrupt in the process. There's nothing more

abhorrant in the world than someone saying, "If you want to be cured,

healed, saved -- come to me!!!"  Ptooie! I spit on people like that.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 13:03:04 GMT



camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:

<snip>

>Nearly all anti-depressants are CNS-depressants (and also

>psychoactive, also toxic -- read the contraindication sheets sometime;

>renal, hepatic, and gastrointestinal damage is very common, and

>sometimes even permanent). Alchohol MAY do the same. Yes, there are

>many side effect to alcohol, but there are just as many if not more

>side-effects to FDA approved drugs that thousands die from every year.

>People should be given an INFORMED choice.

>



How about full color glossies of the inside of their GI track, and the 

bleeding mess therein? I've seen a few. It's not pretty.  Ulcers are a 

label for a particular type of deteriorating flesh. They do not refer to 

the disease process of a particular pathogen. People with diabetes, for 

example, get ulcers on their extremities, which result from poor healing 

due to poor blood circulation as a result of their disease. The 

ulcers of alcoholism (here defined for its effect on the belly as daily 

use of large quantities of ethanol) are caused by the toxic effects of 

ethanol on the digestive tract lining. 



FYI, most antidepressants, esp. the latest wave (SSRI's), do not carry 

the same level of toxicity(or mortality) as ethanol. Perhaps this is due 

to the fact that their use is regulated carefully and people are unable 

to OD themselves on it daily (like they do other "FDA approved" 

products, like , er... aspirin... Ethanol... Ex-Lax...tobacco--I'm 

including products you can legally buy here which contain psychoactive 

substances--the FDA has given its unspoken consent to their use or we'd 

only be able to purchase them the way cocaine is purchased). Yes, they do 

OD, sometimes, but they usually have to save up the pills at home so they 

can. Also be aware that psychiatrists prescribing antidepressants (who 

are good psychiatrists) check toxicity while starting a patient on any 

medication and check liver levels and other systems possibly affected by 

the medication on a regular basis for as long as the patient takes the 

medicine. If side effects begin to show, they are taken off the meds or 

switched to something else which does not cause them problems. I do not 

believe that bartenders or liquor store sales personnel perform this 

service for their customers.

<snip>



>>My question would be more along these lines... if the stuff is so great, 

>>why DON'T you use it? I think there are many good reasons not to drink 

>>alcohol, however, and suspect you also are aware of them.

>>

>You missed the whole point of my post.  I am speaking of the herbs

>that are used in the liquors, NOT the ethanol. The reason I don't grab

>for them first (nor for homeopathic tinctures)



A point of clarification-- tinctures are not homeopathic. They contain 

larger amounts of the active compounds in an herb than the raw herb 

itself, due to the fact that the compounds are extracted into the 

ethanol. Homeopathic "medicines" contain virtually no active compounds-- 

the active compound is diluted to a strength of 1:1,000,000 or so, and 

the presumed mode of action is quite different than that of allopathic 

medicine or herbal medicine.



 is that I cured myself

>of Hep-B two years ago and am taking my time before I use ethanol

>recreationally again. (15 years of damage by virus does not go away

>overnight, btw: you ARE aware that ulcers are caused by a bacteria,

>aren't you??)  This does not mean I will not use the liquors for

>medicinal purposes however, if need be. But perhaps, your reply proved

>my point about the misinformation and propaganda put out by the

>medical community over the last many many years. You immediately

>focused on the ethanol factor, not the curative factor of the herbs

>they contain.  



No, dearie, my point was that the ethanol in the quantity usually sold in 

bar products thoroughly overwhelms the presence of anything medicinal it 

might contain. 



See?  You too are more worried about abuse than their

>proper use and curative powers.  This is precisely the kind of

>reaction they would hope for. 

Sounds like a paranoid rant to me. I don't think most bar denizens are 

there for medicinal purposes. I think they're there to have fun. And most 

of them realize that in doing so, they're playing with fire. 



Question a readily available cure that

>has been proven effective for centuries and then don't use it. 

I believe the folklore about the social damage of alcoholism is equally 

old. 

And

>above all, warn EVERYONE to stay away from ALL forms of alcohol!!!

>(Haven't you read the studies on 2 glasses of wine each night fending

>off heart disease and even tooth decay?)  



It was one glass of red wine... you're already increasing the dose beyond 

the recommended level.. why? Incidentally, the results of that study were 

contested by other studies. Go look it up.

Seems you've learned their

>lessons well. I learned to question ALL sources of information -- even

>my own.



The fury with which you write gives the lie to your words. Especially the 

last. You are convinced that alcohol is really awesome stuff. I am 

convinced that it is not, and I will not deny that I feel this way. The 

reason that I do not think alcohol is a panacea is that I have observed 

many, many people whom it has damaged beyond repair, and I have observed 

in some cases, the effect that it had on their families, and neighbors, 

and others driving the same roads that they drive... it goes on and on. 

You say that you question all sources of information... but you have to 

go read before you can reject them. Go read.



 And I ESPECIALLY question ANY sources where the "source" would

>directly or indirectly benefit from the information they provided  I

>welcome you questioning my post, but for you to spew the same old

>propaganda gets tiresome. People who don't know of the dangers of

>ethanol abuse are either dead, brain-dead, or haven't been born yet.

>(sorry for this soundy snippy, but your reply is so typical, I get

>tired of them)



Well, bud, sorry if I sound snippy, but I 've heard your line before 

about a thousand times too-- you're wise to add in the bit about the fact 

that you don't drink because it is usually the alcohol damaged ones that 

spout it off to me as I'm trying to convince them(full color glossies in 

hand) that if they drink for a couple more weeks, the blood vessels in 

their gut are going to explode. Sometimes we manage to get them to stop 

long enough for healing to occur, and sometimes not.



Have a nice day.

Liz



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:14:47 GMT





Geeze, what a royal bitch! :)  You again missed the whole point of my

post.  But then I should have expected that.



On 27 Oct 1995 13:03:04 GMT, Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> wrote:



>camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:

><snip>

>>Nearly all anti-depressants are CNS-depressants (and also

>>psychoactive, also toxic -- read the contraindication sheets sometime;

>>renal, hepatic, and gastrointestinal damage is very common, and

>>sometimes even permanent). Alchohol MAY do the same. Yes, there are

>>many side effect to alcohol, but there are just as many if not more

>>side-effects to FDA approved drugs that thousands die from every year.

>>People should be given an INFORMED choice.

>>

>

>How about full color glossies of the inside of their GI track, and the 

>bleeding mess therein? I've seen a few. It's not pretty.  Ulcers are a 

>label for a particular type of deteriorating flesh. They do not refer to 

>the disease process of a particular pathogen. People with diabetes, for 

>example, get ulcers on their extremities, which result from poor healing 

>due to poor blood circulation as a result of their disease. The 

>ulcers of alcoholism (here defined for its effect on the belly as daily 

>use of large quantities of ethanol) are caused by the toxic effects of 

>ethanol on the digestive tract lining. 

>

>FYI, most antidepressants, esp. the latest wave (SSRI's), do not carry 

>the same level of toxicity(or mortality) as ethanol. Perhaps this is due 

>to the fact that their use is regulated carefully and people are unable 

>to OD themselves on it daily (like they do other "FDA approved" 

>products, like , er... aspirin... Ethanol... Ex-Lax...tobacco--I'm 

>including products you can legally buy here which contain psychoactive 

>substances--the FDA has given its unspoken consent to their use or we'd 

>only be able to purchase them the way cocaine is purchased). Yes, they do 

>OD, sometimes, but they usually have to save up the pills at home so they 

>can. Also be aware that psychiatrists prescribing antidepressants (who 

>are good psychiatrists) check toxicity while starting a patient on any 

>medication and check liver levels and other systems possibly affected by 

>the medication on a regular basis for as long as the patient takes the 

>medicine. If side effects begin to show, they are taken off the meds or 

>switched to something else which does not cause them problems. I do not 

>believe that bartenders or liquor store sales personnel perform this 

>service for their customers.

><snip>

>

>>>My question would be more along these lines... if the stuff is so great, 

>>>why DON'T you use it? I think there are many good reasons not to drink 

>>>alcohol, however, and suspect you also are aware of them.

>>>

>>You missed the whole point of my post.  I am speaking of the herbs

>>that are used in the liquors, NOT the ethanol. The reason I don't grab

>>for them first (nor for homeopathic tinctures)

>

>A point of clarification-- tinctures are not homeopathic. They contain 

>larger amounts of the active compounds in an herb than the raw herb 

>itself, due to the fact that the compounds are extracted into the 

>ethanol. Homeopathic "medicines" contain virtually no active compounds-- 

>the active compound is diluted to a strength of 1:1,000,000 or so, and 

>the presumed mode of action is quite different than that of allopathic 

>medicine or herbal medicine.

>

> is that I cured myself

>>of Hep-B two years ago and am taking my time before I use ethanol

>>recreationally again. (15 years of damage by virus does not go away

>>overnight, btw: you ARE aware that ulcers are caused by a bacteria,

>>aren't you??)  This does not mean I will not use the liquors for

>>medicinal purposes however, if need be. But perhaps, your reply proved

>>my point about the misinformation and propaganda put out by the

>>medical community over the last many many years. You immediately

>>focused on the ethanol factor, not the curative factor of the herbs

>>they contain.  

>

>No, dearie, my point was that the ethanol in the quantity usually sold in 

>bar products thoroughly overwhelms the presence of anything medicinal it 

>might contain. 

>

>See?  You too are more worried about abuse than their

>>proper use and curative powers.  This is precisely the kind of

>>reaction they would hope for. 

>Sounds like a paranoid rant to me. I don't think most bar denizens are 

>there for medicinal purposes. I think they're there to have fun. And most 

>of them realize that in doing so, they're playing with fire. 

>

>Question a readily available cure that

>>has been proven effective for centuries and then don't use it. 

>I believe the folklore about the social damage of alcoholism is equally 

>old. 

>And

>>above all, warn EVERYONE to stay away from ALL forms of alcohol!!!

>>(Haven't you read the studies on 2 glasses of wine each night fending

>>off heart disease and even tooth decay?)  

>

>It was one glass of red wine... you're already increasing the dose beyond 

>the recommended level.. why? Incidentally, the results of that study were 

>contested by other studies. Go look it up.

>Seems you've learned their

>>lessons well. I learned to question ALL sources of information -- even

>>my own.

>

>The fury with which you write gives the lie to your words. Especially the 

>last. You are convinced that alcohol is really awesome stuff. I am 

>convinced that it is not, and I will not deny that I feel this way. The 

>reason that I do not think alcohol is a panacea is that I have observed 

>many, many people whom it has damaged beyond repair, and I have observed 

>in some cases, the effect that it had on their families, and neighbors, 

>and others driving the same roads that they drive... it goes on and on. 

>You say that you question all sources of information... but you have to 

>go read before you can reject them. Go read.

>

> And I ESPECIALLY question ANY sources where the "source" would

>>directly or indirectly benefit from the information they provided  I

>>welcome you questioning my post, but for you to spew the same old

>>propaganda gets tiresome. People who don't know of the dangers of

>>ethanol abuse are either dead, brain-dead, or haven't been born yet.

>>(sorry for this soundy snippy, but your reply is so typical, I get

>>tired of them)

>

>Well, bud, sorry if I sound snippy, but I 've heard your line before 

>about a thousand times too-- you're wise to add in the bit about the fact 

>that you don't drink because it is usually the alcohol damaged ones that 

>spout it off to me as I'm trying to convince them(full color glossies in 

>hand) that if they drink for a couple more weeks, the blood vessels in 

>their gut are going to explode. Sometimes we manage to get them to stop 

>long enough for healing to occur, and sometimes not.

>

>Have a nice day.

>Liz

>

>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 22:47:22 GMT



Oh, by the way, have you ever wondered why so many people around you

are drinking so much?  If I was, I'd want to forget my reality too.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Alcoholic Drinks (was Re: what's in jaegermeister?)

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 20:34:30 GMT



On 29 Oct 1995 12:34:57 GMT, Doug Foss <afoss@gate.net> wrote:



>wazza a madder bout a liddle drink wonz inna while?

>

(hic!) (burp...) :)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Meeicinal effects of Ginger

From: hughesrh@dale.cba.ufl.edu (Richard Hughes)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 12:37:56 GMT



I recently heard some discussion on the positive effects of ginger,

specifically ginger ale.  Is there really any ginger in ginger ale? 

Are some brands better than others?  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Meeicinal effects of Ginger

From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 16:05:01 GMT



In article <46nvf4$fh6@cutter.clas.ufl.edu>

hughesrh@dale.cba.ufl.edu (Richard Hughes) writes:



> I recently heard some discussion on the positive effects of ginger,

> specifically ginger ale.  Is there really any ginger in ginger ale? 

> Are some brands better than others?  



I've read and found through experimenting that *real* ginger ale helps

reduce motion sickness and nausea in general.  It also helps soothe a

sore throat (though "soothe" isn't quite the right word--"burn away" is

more accurate!).  I get the really strong stuff, "Jamaican style," made

by Reeds and available in our food coop and quirky restaurants.  Asian

food stores might also sell a potent ginger ale.  I forget the brand

name I've seen most.  



Check the ingredients to make sure the ginger ale really has

ginger--the big brands sold in grocery stores don't.



Cathy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: New Age/Occult Clipart on Disk

From: jacko@wvi.com (LifeQuest)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 13:29:40 GMT





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the Spine

From: Lou Vitale <emf@qnet.com>

Date: 26 Oct 1995 14:07:29 GMT



Does anyone know of a good herbal regimen for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the Spine

?

My friend will also receive intrathecal chemo.



Thanks in advance,



Debbie Vitale





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Web Site up-Dated

From: paul@unicomp.net (Paul Wayne)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 17:53:45 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Question about Yin Chaou

From: brittonmgt@usa.pipeline.com(Rob Palachick)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 18:16:25 GMT



I'm not sure about the spelling but can anyone provide any information

about Yin Chaou.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks. 

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Question about Yin Chaou

From: p_iannone@pop.com (Paul Iannone)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 06:20:40 GMT



In message ID <46oj9p$khp@news1.usa.pipeline.com> on 10/26/95, Rob Palachick

wrote:



: I'm not sure about the spelling but can anyone provide any information

: about Yin Chaou.  Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks. 



Yin Qiao is the current spelling, though you will find Yin Chiao a lot. This

is the most famous of Hot-type cold remedies, VERY effective for aborting

colds that start with sore throats (and without stiff neck)(roughly speaking,

of course).



Very safe, and considerably antibiotic at the same time.



Careful with the OTC/Patent forms available in Chinatown--they often contain

caffeine and paracetamin.



--Paul  ||  p_iannone@pop.com

--



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: iodine, seaweed

From: bill.cuneo@wdn.com (BILL CUNEO)

Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:57:00 -0500



Are there any macrobioticists out there who can comment on iodine

overdosing by eating sea veges ?  I'm concluding I only want to

sprinkle seaweed into, e.g., a gravy, and don't want to give sea

veges a place on the plate.  I've been trying to find some

estimates of the amount of iodine in (the) seaweed(s).  The

numbers, to the extent I've read and done it, summarizes to this:



1) The 1964 Encyc Brit "Kelp" says about 20 tons of wet seaweed is

dried and burned down to about 1 ton of "kelp," of which 1 to 6 %

is iodine.  Fixing on 2%, the implication is that wet seaweed is

one thousandth iodine !

2) I've dried seaweed (bladder floating type, Long Island Sound).

The mass reduction, wet to crumbly dry is 1/6. The concentration

of iodine in the dry seaweed must then be 1/6th of 1000, or 1 part

in 160  (assuming the 2% above).



You'd think iodine at one part in 160 in the dried seaweed would

have a strange taste..  but there's no strange taste.. it's likely

the iodine, and everything else, is in some biologically friendly

molecular gift wrapping.



Practically, how much powdered seaweed can I use and not OD on

iodine ?  To get the iodine RDA of 150mcg, only 150mcg x 160 =

about 24,000mcg = 24mg of the dried seaweed.  I crumbled some

seaweed which I had sun dried.  The flakes which passed through the

2mm holes of a food drainer had a density of 0.20g/cc (+/-10% 2

sigma) when loose, and could be readily packed down to 70% of their

loose volume.  Let's get practical; how many teaspoons deliver the

desired 24mg of these small seaweed flakes?  (0.024g/0.20g/cc) =

0.12cc !  A teaspoon is 5cc; so one teaspoon takes care of 40

people-days !  An 8th of a teaspoon, a commonly achievable measure,

takes care of 5 people, maybe a typical meal making amount.  Better

to put the powdery flakes in a shaker, and use like pepper.



What is the toxicology of I, iodides ?

Haddad, Lester M., and James F. Winchester, "Clinical Management

of Poisoning and Drug Overdose," 2d ed., W.R.Saunders Co., 1990

ISBN 07216-2342-5

  says the daily I requirement is 5ug/100kcal, or about 150ug/day

(=3000cal diet).  70ug is taken up by the thyroid gland.

  says some Japanese coastal populations, by consumption of edible

seaweeds, have reached iodine intakes of 200mg/day, with resulting

goiter and hypothyroidism.  (is 1200x the RDA)  (is 160 x .2gI =

32g of dry seaweed = 32g/(0.20g/cc flakes) = 160cc = 5.3 ozvolume

= ~30 tspn = ~2/3 cups of the flakes.) (is about 32g x 6xwet-to-

dry = 192g = 7wtoz. of wet seaweed, assuming the nominal 2% from

the 1-6% range noted, and which needs "confirmation.")



I haven't found any discussion of what happens at 10x RDA, 100x

RDA, 1/10th RDA..  So for openers I need to target the RDA as the

ideal, and not wander intentionally away from it. .



  Sprinkling seaweed powder can provide the iodine which is

depleted in whole ocean salt.. a good combination it seems.

However, concern about iodine is likely misplaced nowadays..

there's much of it in seafood,  and in some baked goods.  Further,

iodated compounds are in algin-based food thickeners and FD&C Red

Number 3 food coloring, which I avoid.  I don't list iodized salt

since I use ocean salt for the things in it beyond sodium chloride.



Any info or comment would be appreciated.





Regards.. Bill      bill.cuneo@wdn.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: world

Subject: Stevia rebaudiana bertoni from Paraguay

From: Blas Oddone <oddone&connix.com>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 01:58:26 GMT





   Should anyone be interested in obtaing sundried leaves of original 

Stevia rebaudiana bertoni (known as 'The Sweet Herb of Paraguay) 

please contact me at oddone@connix.com

   As a native of Paraguay I am familiar with this herb since childhood 

and today after more than 25 years still continue to use it for it many 

beneficial therapeutic properties.  The scientific evidence can be found 

almost anywhere by now.  Should you need info on Stevia please feel free 

to contact me at your convience.  I have extensive plantation of this 

herb in my native country of Paraguay where people have been using it for 

more than 1500 years and the usage is now spreading all over the world.  

    Peace.

Blas Oddone

Guarani Botanicals





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula

From: l1100@aol.com (L1100)

Date: 26 Oct 1995 22:25:00 -0400



Dee,

Could you send me that info also. E-mail-L110@aol.com  Thanks  Mary Jane



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula

From: "John L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:17:14 GMT



Dee - I would also like that info - mail to jmolt@connectus.com

Thanks!





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: HELP.. i am looking for a natural (herb) weight loss.  Herb formula

From: AMIT KARIA <102352.3330@CompuServe.COM>

Date: 28 Oct 1995 04:27:58 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 04:23:05 GMT



Greetings: 

        I need some advice for a friend who is suffering from a large (and

growing) clot (She told me that the doctor called it an Atriculour Venuous

Malfunction {sp?}) in her brain.  The clot is agains the frontal area of

the brain and it is being fed from both sides.  At this stage it is not

really possible to avoid surgery.  I am seeking for herbs/homeopathic remedies

etc... which may reduce the size of this clot and help speed up the healing

process after surgery.  I greatly appreciate any suggestions/help that 

anyone can offer.  I am thinking of mega-doses of Vitamin C to generally

improve immunity and perhaps that would also help with alleviating a bit

of the clot problem itself.  It is my understanding that  Vitamin C is 

especially good for ailments relating to circulation of which I believe 

this is one.  Please correct me if I am wrong and thank you in advance 

for any responses.

                                --amy (from charles' account)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:00:54 GMT



In article <46pmr9$ccm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,

   charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria) wrote:



>The clot is agains the frontal area of

>the brain and it is being fed from both sides.  At this stage it is not

>really possible to avoid surgery.



>I greatly appreciate any suggestions/help that 

>anyone can offer.

>I am thinking of mega-doses of Vitamin C to generally

>improve immunity and perhaps that would also help with alleviating a bit

>of the clot problem itself.



>It is my understanding that  Vitamin C is 

>especially good for ailments relating to circulation of which I believe 

>this is one. 

The last thing you want is to improve circulation!  That would make the 

clot grow faster!



Best bet ... do nothing until AFTER the surgery.  Many herbs (such as

ginseng) slow the ability of the blood to clot. A Korean boxer died

of a cerebral bleeding because he was taking lots og ginseng for 

"endurance".

  Unfortunately this anticoagulant effect isn't usually listed in the 

herbals.



Callie



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: harlan2@ix.netcom.com (Harlan Hoffman )

Date: 28 Oct 1995 03:28:26 GMT



In <46s6q5$og@nnrp3.news.primenet.com> callie@writepage.com (Callie)

writes: 

>

>In article <46pmr9$ccm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,

>   charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria) wrote:

>

>>The clot is agains the frontal area of

>>the brain and it is being fed from both sides.  At this stage it is

not

>>really possible to avoid surgery.

>

>>I greatly appreciate any suggestions/help that 

>>anyone can offer.

>>I am thinking of mega-doses of Vitamin C to generally

>>improve immunity and perhaps that would also help with alleviating a

bit

>>of the clot problem itself.

>

>>It is my understanding that  Vitamin C is 

>>especially good for ailments relating to circulation of which I

believe 

>>this is one. 

>The last thing you want is to improve circulation!  That would make

the 

>clot grow faster!

>

>Best bet ... do nothing until AFTER the surgery.  Many herbs (such as

>ginseng) slow the ability of the blood to clot. A Korean boxer died

>of a cerebral bleeding because he was taking lots og ginseng for 

>"endurance".

>  Unfortunately this anticoagulant effect isn't usually listed in the 

>herbals.

>

>

>

>Callie

>

>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



In Europe they give Hydergine before surgery to the brain, and also in

cases of head trauma...I believe it's a prescription drug, and I knowe

it ias available here.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 05:31:38 GMT



On Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:00:54 GMT, callie@writepage.com (Callie) wrote:



>In article <46pmr9$ccm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,

>   charles@cco.caltech.edu (Charles A. Ofria) wrote:

>

>>The clot is agains the frontal area of

>>the brain and it is being fed from both sides.  At this stage it is not

>>really possible to avoid surgery.

>

>>I greatly appreciate any suggestions/help that 

>>anyone can offer.

>>I am thinking of mega-doses of Vitamin C to generally

>>improve immunity and perhaps that would also help with alleviating a bit

>>of the clot problem itself.

>

>>It is my understanding that  Vitamin C is 

>>especially good for ailments relating to circulation of which I believe 

>>this is one. 

>The last thing you want is to improve circulation!  That would make the 

>clot grow faster!

>

>Best bet ... do nothing until AFTER the surgery.  Many herbs (such as

>ginseng) slow the ability of the blood to clot. A Korean boxer died

>of a cerebral bleeding because he was taking lots og ginseng for 

>"endurance".

>  Unfortunately this anticoagulant effect isn't usually listed in the 

>herbals.

>

>

>

>Callie

>

>Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

>http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



I'd second guess that idea of using citric acid (vitamin c).  I could

be really mistaken here, but I think I remember that citric acid is

added to blood samples to keep it from clotting (or used to be used

for that).  Does anyone know if vitamin C would impair her ability to

heal? (I may be confusing it with another citrate.)





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: xdcrlab@quake.net (Mike Davis)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:48:48 -0700



In article <46sf7g$ot0@blackice.winternet.com>, camel@winternet.com wrote:

> 

> I'd second guess that idea of using citric acid (vitamin c).  I could

> be really mistaken here, but I think I remember that citric acid is

> added to blood samples to keep it from clotting (or used to be used

> for that).  Does anyone know if vitamin C would impair her ability to

> heal? (I may be confusing it with another citrate.)



Actually confusing it with ascorbate would more on target.



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:06:09 -0500



The medical establishment would probably recommend either

streptokinase, urokinase or tissue plasminogen activator for

the tx. of blood clots--as is sometimes used in heart attackes

and strokes. TPA is the most expensive, I believe.

 

Michael



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Help - Large Blood Clot on Brain

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 12:57:29 GMT



Another thought on anticoagulants... It may take the surgical incisions  

a longer time to heal if you use them, since you will bleed for a longer 

period of time than you would without them. And your brain is probably 

the last place you want to bleed for long periods of time...

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Products...

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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:03:57 GMT





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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Products...

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:01:03 GMT



In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.951027020247.9640A-100000@server.uwindsor.ca>,

   Krystopher Marentette <marentb@server.uwindsor.ca> wrote:



>                               G E N E S I N A

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>          "Providing health and healing for the body, mind and soul" 

>                            * N A T U R A L L Y *



Actually, he wrote this twice, and I reported him to the University of

Windsor both times.



If you want to DISCUSS herbs, then post something besides a frigging ad!



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FWD: Posting List of Herb Books - Long

From: spcsinc@intersurf.com (Mark W. McBride, President)

Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:27:16 GMT



FORWARD FROM bit.listserv.medlib-l

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Did you hear the news? On Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:24:58 -0400, our ether

buddy LIBRARY USER WC <LIBWC@VICHOSP.LONDON.ON.CA> spaketh thusly:



:)WARNING! THIS LIST IS QUITE LONG!



:)I had MANY requests to pass this information along. I am therefore

:)posting the book list to the entire mailing list.



:)Thanks to all the kind souls who helped me in my search! I have left the

:)names of the origional contributors with their suggestions.



:)I also received a photocopy of an article that I could not include in this lis

t.

:)The reference (for those who might want it) is:



:)Gregg, M. Medicinal Plants: an annotated resource list. Bibliotheca Medica

:)Canadiana. 1995;16(4):145-148.

:)Mora Gregg, the author of the article included her email address! It is:

:)Internet: gregg@bldgdafoe.lan1.umanitoba.ca



:)Thanks again,



:)Janice Pividor / janicep@vichosp.london.on.ca

:)Library Services, Victoria Hospital, London, Ontario, Canada

:)==========================================================

:)The Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs is a good one, Rodale is

:)the publisher and we paid 14.95 and Barnes & Noble.  It's a 1987.



:)          Dalia Kleinmuntz

:)          Webster Library, Evanston Hospital

:)          webster@nslsilus.org     (708) 570-2665    (708) 570-2926 FAX

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:)--------Herbal references are quite a find....when you can find a good one.  I

:)have both of these texts in my library, however, currently the HONEST

:)HERBAL is checked out, and I am unable to verify exactly how I ordered

:)it.  THE HOMEOPATHIC PHARMACOPOEIA OF THE UNITED STATES was

:)ordered  directly from the HOMOEOPATHIC PHARMACOPOEIA

:)CONVENTION OF THE UNITED  STATES, 4974 Quebec Street, N.W.;

:)Washington,D.C.  20016.  You might try  contacting them directly.



:)If you are looking for a few other references here are a couple we find

:)very useful in our Drug Information Service:



:)THE HEALING HERBS : THE ULTIMATE GUIDE TO THE CURATIVE POWER

:)OF NATURE'S  MEDICINES  by Michael Castleman.  1991, St. Martin's

:)Press ISBN: 0-87857-934-6.



:)THE LAWRENCE REVIEW OF NATURAL PRODUCTS from Facts &

:)Comparisons.   Updated monthly, this loose leaf binder has excellent

:)monographs of  various natural products and herbs.  Call Facts &

:)Comparisons at (800)  223--554 or (314) 878-2515.  This reference is

:)excellent.



:)There is also an excellent database on DATA-STAR  called AMED which

:)has good herbal information.



:)Dennis Ritchey

:)Medical Librarian

:)Kaiser Permanente

:)Drug Information Service

:)Downey, CA  USA

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:)331-8868.



:)The Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia is available through the Homeopathic

:)Pharmacopoeia Convention, P.O. Box 40360, Washington, D.C. 20016,

:)(202)  362-8943.



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:)recommended several books for our alternative medicine collection and

:)buys books from NCAHF Book Sales, P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA

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:)I've purchased alternative medicine books from Rittenhouse and Majors

:)Scientific also, but discovered that NCAHF has better prices and seems

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:)NEW HONEST HERBAL was the 2nd, and the publisher, Stickley, is now

:)out of business. Latest is THE HONEST HERBAL, 3d ed., Pharmaceutical

:)Products Press, 1993.



:)Two years ago I prepared a list of recommended books on natural

:)products, which was reviewed by two big names in the field. I still have

:)this electronically, and will be glad to forward it to you if you'd like. Note

:)that the list is on natural products, though, not on homeopathy.



:)The following list was prepared for a basic book list to be published by

:)the Libraries and Educational Resources Section of the American

:)Association of Colleges of Pharmacy.  Compiled in July of 1993, it was

:)reviewed by Lawrence Liberti and Ara DerMarderosian.  All books listed

:)were in print at that time.



:)PHARMACOGNOSY



:)Altschul, Siri V. Drugs and Foods from Little Known Plants: Notes in

:)Harvard University Herbaria. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University

:)Press, 1973.



:)Apsimon, John W., ed. The Total Synthesis of Natural Products in 9

:)volumes. New York: Wiley, 1973-1993.



:)Baba, Shigeaki, et al, eds. Natural Resources and Human Health:

:)Plants of Medicinal and Nutritional Value. New York: Elsevier

:)Science Publishers, 1992.



:)Beal, J. L., and F. Reinhard, eds. Natural Products as Medicinal

:)Agents. Stuttgart: Hippokrates Verlag, 1981.



:)Bellamy, David, and Andrea Pfister. World Medicine: Plants,

:)Patients, and People. Cambridge, MA: Blackwell, 1992.



:)Der Marderosian, Ara and Lawrence E. Liberti. Natural Product

:)Medicine. Philadelphia: George F. Stickley, 1988.



:)De Smet, P., ed. Adverse Effects of Herbal Drugs. Vol. 1. New York:

:)Springer-Verlag, 1992.



:)Duke, James A. CRC Handbook of Medicinal Herbs. Boca Raton, FL: CRC

:)Press, 1985.



:)Duke, James A. Medicinal Plants of the Bible. Buffalo, NY: Trado-

:)Medic Publishers, 1983.



:)Dymock, William, and David Hooper. Pharmacographia Indica: A

:)History of Principal Drugs of Vegetable Origin...in 3 volumes. New

:)York: State Mutual Book and Periodical Service, 1988.



:)Foster, Steven and Yue Changxi. Herbal Emissaries: Bringing Chinese

:)Herbs to the West. Rochester, VT: Healing Arts Press, 1992.



:)Geissman, T. A. and D. H. S. Crout. Organic Chemistry of Secondary

:)Plant Metabolism. San Francisco: Freeman, Cooper, 1969.



:)Krochmal, Arnold, and Connie Krochmal. A Field Guide to the

:)Medicinal Plants. New York: Random, 1984.



:)Luckner, M. Secondary Metabolism in Microorganisms, Plants, and

:)Animals, Plants, and Animals. New York: Springer, 1990.



:)Moldenke, Harold and Alma L. Moldenke. Plants of the Bible. New

:)York: Dover, 1986.



:)Morton, Julia F. Major Medicinal Plants: Botany, Culture and Uses.

:)Springfield, IL: C. C. Thomas, 1978.



:)Robinson, Trevor. The Organic Constituents of Higher Plants. 5th ed.

:)Amherst, MA: Cordus Press, 1983.



:)Steiner, Richard P., ed. Folk Medicine: The Art and the Science.

:)Washington, D.C.: American Chemical Society, 1986.



:)Trease, George Edward and W. C. Evans. Trease and Evans'

:)Pharmacognosy. 13th ed. London: Bouilliere Tindall, 1989.



:)Tsumara, Akira. Kampo: How the Japanese Updated Traditional Herbal

:)Medicine. New York: Japan Publications, Inc., 1991.



:)Tyler, Varro E. The New Honest Herbal. 2nd ed. Philadelphia: George

:)F. Stickley, 1987.



:)Tyler, Varro E., et al. Pharmacognosy. 9th ed. Philadelphia: Lea &

:)Febiger, 1988.



:)Uphof, J. C. Dictionary of Economic Plants. 2nd ed. Monticello, NY:

:)Lubrecht and Cramer, 1968.



:)Von Reis, Siri and Frank J. Lipp, Jr. New Plant Sources for Drugs and

:)Foods from the New York Botanical Garden Herbarium. Cambridge,

:)MA: Harvard University Press, 1982.



:)Wagner, Hildebert, et al. Plant Drug Analysis: A Thin Layer

:)Chromatography Atlas. New York: Springer, 1992.



:)Weiner, Michael A. Earth Medicine--Earth Foods: Plant Remedies,

:)Drugs, and Natural Foods of the North American Indian. New York:

:)Fawcett, 1991.



:)Williams, Trevor I. Drugs from Plants. New York: Gordon and Breach,

:)1980.



:)Wren, Richard Cranfield. Potter's New Cyclopedia of Botanical Drugs and

:)Preparations. New ed. New York: State Mutual Book and Periodical

:)Service, 1980.



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Subject: Fruits and Veggies ... the easy way

From: afn05740@afn.org (Robert Reeves)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 12:32:04 GMT



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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Iridology-it IS for real!

From: sac87261@saclink1.csus.edu (William R Bassett)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 16:46:06 GMT



I went to an Iridologist a while back just for a general consultation and 

was extremely surprised.  Not only could he identify the little health 

problems I was having but he did even more.  In the middle of the session 

he got the strangest look on his face and said: "I haven't seen this 

before, it looks like something is wrong right in the middle of your 

right collar bone!"  We had not discussed it at all, but he was correct!  At 

the age of 3 I broke my collar bone and the military doctors chose not to 

finish the break and reset it.  My chiropractor had noticed the same 

thing in my x-rays, it has caused allignment problems in my neck.  I 

would say that there is indeed some truth to Iridology.



--

+-----------------------------------------------+

William Bassett

Healthy Seasons 1-800-519-6450

E-mail  sac87261@saclink1.csus.edu



Teaching Healing alternatives for better Health.

+-----------------------------------------------+





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Iridology-it IS for real!

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 05:36:43 GMT



On 27 Oct 1995 16:46:06 GMT, sac87261@saclink1.csus.edu (William R

Bassett) wrote:



>I went to an Iridologist a while back just for a general consultation and 

>was extremely surprised.  Not only could he identify the little health 

>problems I was having but he did even more.  In the middle of the session 

>he got the strangest look on his face and said: "I haven't seen this 

>before, it looks like something is wrong right in the middle of your 

>right collar bone!"  We had not discussed it at all, but he was correct!  At 

>the age of 3 I broke my collar bone and the military doctors chose not to 

>finish the break and reset it.  My chiropractor had noticed the same 

>thing in my x-rays, it has caused allignment problems in my neck.  I 

>would say that there is indeed some truth to Iridology.

>

>--

>+-----------------------------------------------+

>William Bassett

>Healthy Seasons 1-800-519-6450

>E-mail  sac87261@saclink1.csus.edu

>

>Teaching Healing alternatives for better Health.

>+-----------------------------------------------+

>

I wonder if maybe iridologists might be unconsiously using their

intuition rather than exact specifics of the iris.  I mean, I can read

palms, and I use the lines in a person's palm as a guidline, but after

that, it is mostly intuition or psychic abilities. They are only a

starting point.  Could this be true of those who practice iridology?

In fact, I wonder how much of healing is in a large part being in

total sympathy/empathy with the person needing it (in most forms of

diagnostics).  Perhaps iridologist are not aware they are using

something other than patterns on the iris. Just speculating....





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Iridology-it IS for real!

From: eli27@delphi.com

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 08:46:26 -0500



The first person whose eyese I looked into had a reddish

brown spot in the area of the appendix. She was pregnant at

the time and was taking pre-natal vitaimins with iron. I told

her that I thought she might have something like an appendicitis.

Her eyes opened wide and she said that she had gone to the

emergency room with what she had thought was an dppendicitis

about a week before. I now think that it was probably the iron

from the pre-natal vitamins accumulating in a area of weakness.

But thre IS something to iridology.

 

Michael



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sweet  Marjoram

From: URWD77A@prodigy.com (Bob Scott)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 17:55:30 GMT



What is the difference  between Origanum Marjorana and  Marjorana 

hortensis? 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sweet  Marjoram

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 15:30:06 -0400



urwd77a@prodigy.com (Bob Scott) re: sweet marjoram.

M hortensis, the only commonly cultivated species of sweet marjoram  is a

tender perennial. It is sometimes known as Origanum majorana. Sweet

marjoram is sweeter and not as strong flavored as its similar looking

relative, oregano. 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal remedy for leg cramps

From: tcumminsrn@aol.com (Tcumminsrn)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 14:54:51 -0400



Hi everyone!!  I have a terrible problem with the "charley-horse" type leg

cramps at night.  Was taking Quinine until the FDA pulled it from the

shelves.   I normally take 1000mg of Calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium, Vitamin

E, along with my regular vitamins daily.  I am on Estrogen replacement and

Thyroid medication.  The Quinine was keeping the cramps under control (non

in two years) until this morning at 0500.  Had to call into work sick as I

couldn't put weight on the left leg even after a hot bath.  



Would like to know if there is a herbal alternative as I do believe in

herbal medicine and use it regularly in addition to allopathic

medications.  I am an RN who believes in both types of medications and

would love any information anyone has.



Thanks,

Teresa, RN :-)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for leg cramps

From: donwiss@bondcalc.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 07:11:20 GMT



On 27 Oct 1995 14:54:51 -0400, tcumminsrn@aol.com (Tcumminsrn) wrote:



>Hi everyone!!  I have a terrible problem with the "charley-horse" type leg

>cramps at night.



Hi Teresa,



Leg cramps are often caused by a calcium or magnesium deficiency as you

note. You could take Cal/Mag supplements, but this brings up the question

of *why* are you deficient in these minerals? I used to get leg muscle

cramps, but that was when I was an undiagnosed celiac. Now that my celiac

disease is under control, I have *never* had one again and I wasn't taking

calcium supplements for many years. I now do take them occasionally, but

never had the cramps for the post-diagnosis years I wasn't taking them.



What is celiac disease you ask? It is a common gastrointestinal condition

(in people of European descent) where the presence of gluten in the diet

cause the villi that line the small intestine to atrophy. With this

dramatic reduction in surface area the patient then becomes deficient in

*fat* soluble minerals and vitamins (which calcium is). It can also lead to

problems absorbing supplements. However, it is rarely tested for.



Iron is fat soluble and undiagnosed celiacs can be anemic and fatigued.

Body pain, a mild form of rickets, can come from a deficiency of vitamin D

and calcium. Many things can happen from malnourishment.



But what is gluten you ask. You can find it in wheat, rye, barley and oats,

and *all* foodstuffs further down the processing chain that contain or were

contaminated with these grains.



Celiac disease can be screened for with a combination of antigliadin (IgA &

IgG) and endomysial antibody testing of the blood. It is tested for by a

small bowel biopsy of the mucosa which can be obtained by an endoscopist in

the distal duodenum. The patient must be consuming gluten at the time of

the tests.



After going 100% gluten-free the patient should recover 100% (over a year

or two) and enjoy perfect health. The 100% GF diet must be maintained for

life.



There is a gluten-free mailing list at <listserv@sjuvm.stjohns.edu> with

850+ subscribers. To join, send a message to the listserv with the

following in the body: SUB CELIAC your name. The FAQ can be obtained by

putting GET CELIAC FAQ in the body of a message to the list server. Even

more info is available if GET NEWCEL PACKAGE is included. Log files and

other documents also exist, send GET CELIAC FILELIST.



This web page will lead to all others: http://www.hooked.net/users/sadams/



I also have a Canadian survey of symptoms which I can send.



Don, gluten-free in NYC <donwiss@bondcalc.com>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for leg cramps

From: donwiss@bondcalc.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 16:32:39 GMT



On 27 Oct 1995 14:54:51 -0400, tcumminsrn@aol.com (Tcumminsrn) wrote:



>Hi everyone!!  I have a terrible problem with the "charley-horse" type leg

>cramps at night.  Was taking Quinine until the FDA pulled it from the

>shelves.   I normally take 1000mg of Calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium, Vitamin

>E, along with my regular vitamins daily.  I am on Estrogen replacement and

>Thyroid medication.  The Quinine was keeping the cramps under control (non

>in two years) until this morning at 0500.  Had to call into work sick as I

>couldn't put weight on the left leg even after a hot bath.  

>

>Would like to know if there is a herbal alternative as I do believe in

>herbal medicine and use it regularly in addition to allopathic

>medications.  I am an RN who believes in both types of medications and

>would love any information anyone has.



Here is something that claims to promote calcium absorption:





Date:         Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:27:51 EST

From:         Lisa S Lewis <LISAS@PUCC.PRINCETON.EDU>

Subject:      Horsetail



From Earl Mindell's Herb Bible:



HORSETAIL (_EQUISETUM ARVENSE_)



FACTS:

Long used by herbal healers in Europe and China, horsetail-also known as

silica- is rich in nutrients, including silicon.  Horsetail facilitates

the absorption of calcium by the body, which nourishes nails, skin, hair

bones, and the body's connective tissue.  This herb helps eliminate excess

oil from skin and hair and is believed to make individual hair strands

stronger, thicker and more resilient.



POSSIBLE BENEFITS



Good conditioner for nails and hair

Helps eliminate white spots from nails

Controls excess oil on skin

Helps strengthen bones



HOW TO USE IT

Orally: capsules or tablets: take 1 up to 3 times daily



Externally: used in many herbal beauty products for skin, nails and hair.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for leg cramps

From: fladung@emf.net (Ed Fladung)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:48:06 GMT



tcumminsrn@aol.com (Tcumminsrn) wrote:



>Hi everyone!!  I have a terrible problem with the "charley-horse" type leg

>cramps at night.  Was taking Quinine until the FDA pulled it from the

>shelves.   I normally take 1000mg of Calcium, 500 mg of Magnesium, Vitamin

>E, along with my regular vitamins daily.  I am on Estrogen replacement and

>Thyroid medication.  The Quinine was keeping the cramps under control (non

>in two years) until this morning at 0500.  Had to call into work sick as I

>couldn't put weight on the left leg even after a hot bath.  



>Would like to know if there is a herbal alternative as I do believe in

>herbal medicine and use it regularly in addition to allopathic

>medications.  I am an RN who believes in both types of medications and

>would love any information anyone has.



>Thanks,

>Teresa, RN :-)



I had severe leg cramps for a number of years. I found that Potassium

eliminated them completely for me. Potassium can be found in bananas,

but in my case potassium supplements helped the most. One thing that

seems to agrevate my leg cramps is alcohol in excessive amounts. As

long as I take the potassium and drink only occasionaly and moderately

at that I have no problems.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal tea to quit smoking?

From: wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark and Kathy Wilson)

Date: 27 Oct 1995 23:03:02 GMT





A friend told me she's heard of an herbal tea to aid a person while they 

quit smoking. Any of you heard of this? Tell me all about it.



thanks



kathy



--

------------------------------------------------

Name:      Kathy K. Wilson, 

           using the account of Mark A. Wilson

Internet:  wilson@cais.com

--

No longer a novice...                Before you can learn to be free, 

but still frustrated!                You need to be free to learn!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal tea to quit smoking?

From: gravel@serv.net (Malcolm Brand)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 05:06:28 GMT



wilson@cais2.cais.com (Mark and Kathy Wilson) wrote:





>A friend told me she's heard of an herbal tea to aid a person while they 

>quit smoking. Any of you heard of this? Tell me all about it.



>thanks



>kathy



>--

>------------------------------------------------

>Name:      Kathy K. Wilson, 

>           using the account of Mark A. Wilson

>Internet:  wilson@cais.com

>--

>No longer a novice...                Before you can learn to be free, 

>but still frustrated!                You need to be free to learn!





Just tea won't help you I think. Here's what I did to stop. First you

must really want to quit. That is the most important. The next thing

is to complete clean all you furiture, clothes, bedding, everything so

it won't smell like smoke. It helps to move if you can and label your

new place smoke free. 



There are two teas I took. One is available from a chinese pharmacy if

you have something like this near you. Go in and ask for "Quit Smoking

Tea" . It is a very dark tea and taste pretty good. It definately

takes away the urge.



The second tea is make as follows:



Anise Seed

Chamomile

Dandelion Root

Grindelia Flowers

Licorice Root

Lobelia

Oat Seed

Valarian Root



I personally had an odd reaction to Lobelia but apparently they were

going to market a Lobelia cigarette. That would sure make me quit

because Lobelia makes my throat close. Therefore I might suffocate and

die which is the point of smoking anyways. Right?



I also noticed that the key ingrediant for me was Oat Seed. If I took

Oat Seed tincture directly under my tongue when I felt the urge. It

went away. 



Malcolm Brand

Gravelvoice Audio Services





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Spilanthes acmella, antiviral/fungal?

From: Huntsbrook@gnn.com

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:26:07



source: Seeds of Change, PO 15700, Santa FE, NM 87506.  I grew some 

Spilanthes acmella and S. oleracea in the garden; tastes a lot like 

echinacea but lots stronger.  Does anyone know anything about potential 

medicinal properties and safety? and similarities to echinacea?  Seeds of 

Change says "from South America: reputed to have anti-viral and anti-fungal 

attributes." 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: bloodroot salve

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 15:32:59 -0400



Does anyone know a source of bloodroot salve, or have a formula for making

it.



Thanks,

Lee (ltrudick@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: bloodroot salve

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 19:04:22 -0400



does anyone know of a source for bloodroot salve, or a formula for making

same?

Thanks,

Lee (ltrudick.aol.com)



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rosemary and hair

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 14:02:01 -0700



What exactly does rosemary do for hair?  Most of the herbal hair treatments

I have recipes for contain this herb, but what effect does it have?



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Info needed.Pre-Christian/Celtic Herbs

From: jfmills@fox.nstn.ca (John Mills)

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 18:32:21 -0300



    I am looking for any information on the use of herbs for healing by

Pre-Christian/Celtic/Druidic cultures.  Please post replies to the group

or E Mail me.   Thank You.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Need Info on HCA (hydroxycitric acid)

From: kenmar2119@aol.com (KENMAR2119)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 19:52:03 -0400



We're trying to determine if (-) Hydroxycitric acid, HCA, is save to use. 

It's advertised as a weight loss product.  HCA comes from garcinia

cambogia and is suppose to promote gradual and permanent weight loss.  Any

info you have would be greatly appreciated.  Please email anything you

have to KENMAR2119@aol.com     Thanks



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Need Info on HCA (hydroxycitric acid)

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (@--->-------------)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:08:28 MST



In article <46ufn3$e9f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> kenmar2119@aol.com (KENMAR2119) wr

ites:





>We're trying to determine if (-) Hydroxycitric acid, HCA, is save to use. 

>It's advertised as a weight loss product.  HCA comes from garcinia

>cambogia and is suppose to promote gradual and permanent weight loss.  Any

>info you have would be greatly appreciated.  Please email anything you

>have to KENMAR2119@aol.com     Thanks





It is a waste of money.  It does not work.  Please do not waste your money on 

this stuff.  If it worked then there would be a whole lot of skinnier people 

walking around, including me.  I was working out every day for nearly two 

hours and taking the stuff.  Did not lose one single iota of a pound.  In fact 

I noticed an acute desire to binge on carbos (heard of this phenomenon from 

other HCA takers too so beware) - caramel rice cakes, breakfast cereal, etc.  

I went through the entire bottle with nary a result.  Same with chromium 

picolinate.  Useless, useless products.         -E



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs -- damiana

From: tseverns@nslsilus.org (Tiffany Severns)

Date: 28 Oct 1995 20:20:26 -0500



In my experience, it is the *scent* of the herb that does the trick with 

me!  How I would LOVE to find a perfume derived from diamiana!

        -Tiffany



G Pollack (glp@efn.org) wrote:

:                  its action is to "tickle" (irritate) the urethra

: About damiana:   after it has been consumed and the need to pee

:                  eventually arises.  This draws attention to the

: vicinity and acounts for the figurative or not-so-figurative itch.



: It does seem to work, but may not be the first choice of the well-

: being enthusiast.



: Celebrate Life fully.



: On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, The Lady Delirium wrote:



: > Date: Wed, 6 SEP 1995 13:39:20 GMT 

: > From: The Lady Delirium <delirium@netcom.com>

: > Newgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

: > Subject: Re: Aphrodisiacs 

: > 

: > : > Does anyone out there know where I can get an aphrodisiac that really 

: > : > works?

: > : > 

: > 

: > i (and my lover) have used yohimbe with success; it comes in elixir form, 

: > and works best if you put it in a liquid (try it in steamed milk with 

: > honey. yummy!) experiment with amounts; five drops were enough for me 

: > though the dosage was listed to be four times that. yohimbe also works as 

: > an enhanser i had noticed; try taking it before going out dancing! 

: > damiana (in capsule) form works well with yohimbe as well, or alone...

: > 

: >     sweet abuse,

: >     Lady Delirium

: > 

: > 

-- 

Tiffany Severns

tseverns@nslsilus.org

Waukegan Public Library



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Weeds _ Mentha arvensis (field mint)

From: hrbmoore@rt66.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 05:24:16 GMT



In article <1995Oct21.125311.388@ac.nsac.ns.ca>,

Schurman_m93@cox.nsac.ns.ca wrote:



> Any information on field mint and/or its phenology

> would be greatly appreciated.

> 

>                 Thanks

>                 Marc Schurman

>                 Nova Scotia, Canada



Jim Duke's database at

http://probe.nalusda.gov:8000/related/aboutphytochemdb.html (somewhere in

that area) has and exhaustive (and exhausting) rundown on M. arvensis.



 One of the reasons why the low and high levels are so variable (since the

information is compiled from varying sources) is that some tests were made

on DRY plant material, some on fresh plant material (with 90-92% water, but

with some aromatics HIGHER when fresh, some LOWER when fresh, and some

actually being "artifacts" of drying) and some tests were made using the

essential oil...also variable since it may have been produced by condensation

temperatures normally applied to Peppermint or Spearmint, there being no 

"standards" for M. arvensis, and the several methods of distillation ALL 

producing (or creating) different results.



Further, M. arvensis is an astoundingly variable taxon, with major morphologic

variations and (obviously) major constituent variations in virtually every

watershed in North America.  Somewhere out there is a rumpled, bleary eyed

and

half-mad chemotaxonomist, trying to finish a doctorate on the chemical races 

of this plant...a plant even worse than Basil or Tansy to work with.



As an herbalist, my major concern is the balance between the "Pulegone" group

and the "Menthol/Piperitone" group, since they have substantially varied

physiologic effects.  I do this very simply: I crush and smell the leaves in the

lush center of a stand in full maturity (usually higher in the menthol

group), and smell the leaves of peripheral, more solitary plants (usually

with a great

deal of lateral branching) that have the highest pulegone fractions.  These

peripheral plants are usally higher in carvone as well.  If the peripheral are

stronger in the carvone (Spearmint) scent than the pulegone (Pennyroyal) scent

I gather them for tea.  Conversely, being rather higher in rosmarinic acids than

Melissa officinalis (Lemon Balm), I use those with the stronger Pennyroyal scent

as a substitute for Melissa in European protocols for treating herpes simplex 

lesions.



If I HAD to wade through all the constituents (and all the damn variables),

I might as well be an academic, and give up my generalist gadfly license!



//////////major aromatics//////////////////////////

                        (ppm) low  high

"(+)-OCTAN-3-ONE" "Leaf"      9000 27000

"(+)-PULEGONE" "Plant"             25455      

"(-)-MENTHOL"  "Leaf"           66 25650

"(-)-MENTHONE" "Leaf"          250 25680

"CARVONE"   "Leaf"            8100 26000

"L-MENTHOL" "Plant"            373 29515

"MENTHOL"   "Leaf"            1000 24385

"ROSMARINIC-ACID" "Plant"          28000    

"MENTHONE"  "Plant"             71 24000

"PULEGONE"  "Plant"            100 24960

"MENTHOFURAN"  "Plant"        4200 12600

"OCTAN-3-OL"   "Leaf"            0 10200

"(-)-PIPERITONE"  "Leaf"       240  7700

"PIPERITENONE-OXIDE" "Leaf"    260  7320

"(+)-ISOMENTHONE" "Leaf"       240  7062

"PIPERITONE-OXIDE"   "Leaf"    320  5135

"L-MENTHYL-ACETATE"  "Plant"    85  4200



/////////////////misc.//////////////////////////

"(+)-8-ACETOXY-CARVONE" "Essential Oil"         

"(+)-CARVONE"  "Essential Oil"         

"(+)-MENTHOFURAN" "Leaf"   32    

"(+)-NEOMENTHOL"  "Leaf"      20 580

"(+)-PIPERITONE"  "Leaf"      90 290

"(-)-CARVONE"  "Essential Oil"         

"(-)-LIMONENE" "Leaf"         

"(-)-MENTHOL-ACETATE"   "Leaf"      10 32

"1,8-CINEOLE"  "Leaf"         

"1-P-MENTHEN-3-ONE"  "Plant"        

"3',4',5,7-TETRAHYDROXY-FLAVONE-7-ALPHA-L-RHAMNOSYL-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE"  

"Shoot"        

"3',5,7-TRIHYDROXY-4'-METHOXY-FLAVONE-O-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE"   "Shoot"        

"3-(5',5'-DIMETHYL-TETRAHYDROFURAN-2'-YL)-BUT-CIS-2-EN-1-OL"   "Plant" 

1.4      

"3-METHYLPENTANOL"   "Plant"        

"4',5,7-TRIHYDROXY-FLAVONE-7-ALPHA-L-RHAMNOSYL-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE" 

"Plant"        

"4',5,7-TRIHYDROXY-FLAVONE-O-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE"  "Shoot"        

"ACACETIN-7-O-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE"  "Shoot"        

"ACETIC-ACID"  "Plant"        

"ACETYLMENTHOL"   "Plant"        

"ALPHA,BETA-HEXENIC-ACID"  "Plant"        

"ALPHA,GAMMA-HEXENYL-PHENYL-ACETATE"   "Plant"        

"ALPHA-PINENE" "Plant"     10 300

"ALPHA-THUJENE"   "Plant"        

"ANISALDEHYDE" "Shoot"        

"BETA-CAR-3-ENE"  "Essential Oil"         

"BETA-PHELLANDRENE"  "Plant"        

"BETA-PINENE"  "Plant"     10 1445

"CALCIUM"   "Plant"  13500    

"CAMPHENE"  "Plant"        

"CAPROIC-ACID" "Plant"        

"CARVOMENTHONE"   "Plant"        

"CARYOPHYLLENE"   "Plant"        

"CHLOROPHYLL-A"   "Tissue Culture"        

"CHLOROPHYLL-B"   "Tissue Culture"        

"CINEOLE"   "Leaf"      40 1785

"CIS-ISOPULEGONE" "Leaf"         

"CIS-OCIMENE"  "Essential Oil"         

"COPPER" "Plant"  20    

"D-3-OCTANOL"  "Plant"        

"DIOSMETIN-7-O-BETA-D-GLUCOSIDE" "Shoot"        

"DL-ISOMENTHONE"  "Plant"        

"ETHYL-AMYL-CARBINOL"   "Plant"        

"EUGENOL"   "Essential Oil"         

"FORMIC-ACID"  "Plant"        

"FURFURAL"  "Plant"     2  5

"GAMMA-TERPINENE" "Essential Oil"         

"GERMACRENE-D" "Essential Oil"         

"HESPERIDIN"   "Plant"        

"IRON"   "Plant"  400      

"ISOMENTHOL"   "Essential Oil"         

"ISOPULEGOL"   "Essential Oil"         

"ISOPULEGONE"  "Leaf"      240   770

"ISOVALERALDEHYDE"   "Plant"        

"ISOVALERIC-ACID" "Plant"     30 90

"KETONES"   "Plant"     336   1008

"LIMONENE"  "Leaf"      20 3520

"LINALOOL"  "Leaf"         

"LINALOOL-ACETATE"   "Leaf"      690   2215

"LUTEOLIN"  "Shoot"        

"MAGNESIUM" "Plant"  2830     

"MANGANESE" "Plant"  44    

"MENTHOFUROLACTONE"  "Plant"        

"MENTHOL-ACETATE" "Leaf"      60 2215

"MENTHONONE"   "Plant"        

"MYRCENE"   "Leaf"      10 2485

"NEOISOMENTHOL"   "Essential Oil"         

"NEOISOPULEGONE"  "Essential Oil"         

"P-CYMENE"  "Leaf"      9  29

"P-CYMOL"   "Leaf"      562   1800

"P-MENTHAN-TRANS-2,5-DIOL" "Plant"        

"PIPERITENONE" "Plant"        

"PIPERITONE"   "Leaf"      13 1285

"PIPERITONE-OXIDE"   "Plant"        

"POTASSIUM" "Plant"  35100    

"RAFFINOSE" "Plant"        

"RESIN"  "Plant"        

"ROSMARINIC-ACID" "Leaf"      71 228

"SABINENE-HYDRATE"   "Leaf"      30 160

"SANTENE"   "Plant"        



"SODIUM" "Plant"  860      

"STACHYOSE" "Plant"        

"TANNIN" "Plant"        

"THUJONE"   "Plant"        

"TRANS-ISOPULEGONE"  "Leaf"         

"TRANS-OCIMENE"   "Essential Oil"         

"ZINC"   "Plant"  28    



(pant, pant)





The tea gathered from the first type of locality is perhaps the single most

delicious mint tea I have ever encountered...and rivals M. citrata as the best

tasting mint for Mint Julips.



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@rt66.com)

http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

All the SWSBM teaching and clinical manuals, JPEGs of Medicinal Plant

photographs and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ***  Pain ***

From: john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu (John Badanes)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 16:43:34 GMT



  In article <47087g$h23@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Al Pinsi wrote:

  >Can anyone help with an herb or nutrient that is good for general 

  >pain or inflammation?  I am interested in actual experience 

  >recommendations, NOT a quote or information from a book. 



Yeah, you wouldn't want to get your information from an actual book on 

the subject of 'pain and inflammation' written or edited by people who 

have spent the bulk of their professional life examining these medical 

phenomena. It would be MUCH more reliable to pop your question to 

Usenet's MHA readership and leave it up to the random psychoaesthetic 

whim and judgement of an Alt-enthusiast and their cure-de-jour. Your 

right...no "quotes or [in particular, no] information from a book." 

You can't be too careful, after all!



JB.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ***  Pain ***

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:59:07 



In article: <470avm$lkc@agate.berkeley.edu>  john@romdas.HIP.berkeley.edu 

(John Badanes) writes:

> 

>   In article <47087g$h23@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Al Pinsi wrote:

>   >Can anyone help with an herb or nutrient that is good for general 

>   >pain or inflammation?  I am interested in actual experience 

>   >recommendations, NOT a quote or information from a book. 

> 

> Yeah, you wouldn't want to get your information from an actual book on 

> the subject of 'pain and inflammation' written or edited by people who 

> have spent the bulk of their professional life examining these medical 

> phenomena. It would be MUCH more reliable to pop your question to 

> Usenet's MHA readership and leave it up to the random psychoaesthetic 

> whim and judgement of an Alt-enthusiast and their cure-de-jour. Your 

> right...no "quotes or [in particular, no] information from a book." 

> You can't be too careful, after all!

> 

> JB.



And they say you cannot write sarcasm :-)



> 

> 

-- 

Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant



If your Faith was against the law,

Would there be enough evidence to convict you?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ***  Pain ***

From: abrad94101@aol.com (ABrad94101)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 11:51:13 -0500



After I had my first baby I realized that the books I had read, written by

people who dedicated their lives to people having babies, were absolutely

worthless in terms of describing the experience. My friends were a far

superior source of information. People who dedicate their lives to

studying pain quite often research such topics as how fast pain messages

travel, or why nerve endings disintegrate. If I want to know what pain is

and how to control it, I'd much rather hear from one who accomplished it

in fact, not theory. Of course, the next time you have a toothache, do let

us know and we can set up a double blinded, cross over randomized study to

test the effect of a nutrient on you. You might end up in the placebo

group though. Well, no matter. It will be written up and you can read

about it next year.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Muira Puama--How to use

From: gmueller@execpc.com (Gerry Mueller)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:54:30 GMT



Some questions on this herb:  What is the proper method of extraction?

Saw a rather sketchy reference that recomended a cold infusion where

you let it sit in room temp water overnight and then strain. My

understanding is that the active part is the root and I've always

thought that the decotion method was what was used for roots ie

heating to boil for 10-20 minutes. Does heat destroy the active

ingredient? I purchased some cut and sifted pieces and am waiting on

how to proceed. What would be the preferred solvent, water or would

alcohol work for this herb? 



Thanks for your help

Gerry Mueller

gmueller@execpc.com





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borage and GLA

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 19:57:03 



In article: <4708vr$ifr@ccnet2.ccnet.com>  Timothy Chambers 

<TChambers@AOL.COM> writes:

> 

> My wife would like some information on borage seed oil and I could use a 

> pointer to where I can find it. Also if someone could help me find out 

> what GLA stands for I would appreciate it.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Tim Chambers





Hi Tim, and Wife ;)



GLA = Gamma Linolenic Acid



And I stock it 



See the web pages



Graham

> 

> 

> 

> 

-- 

Guide to Aromatherapy URL

http://www.demon.co.uk/murderon/fragrant



If your Faith was against the law,

Would there be enough evidence to convict you?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borage and GLA

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 16:49:46 -0500



Tim Chambers: Are you ready for this? GLA stands for gamma linolenic acid.

GLA is rarely found in food. The richest source of GLA is human breast

milk; trace amounts can be found in oatmeal. If I understand it correctly,

your body is supposed to produce its own GLA. It is actually produced from

your body's supply of linoleic acid (found in virtually all food) with the

help of an enzyme called delta 6 desaturase.



GLA is generally known as an "activated" essential fatty acid. All you

need are small amounts but these acids are absolutely essential for

optimal body function. There are two times in life when your body will be

lacking in GLA. One is from birth to about six months (that's why

breast-fed babies generally are healthier). the other is after age thirty,

probably because of a slowdown in delta 6 desaturase without which you

can't make your own GLA.



In a book called "The Zone", Barry Sears tells you how to keep producing

GLA by watching your diet. Barry says that if you stick to a high

carbohydrate diet you will affect the activity of delta 6 desaturase,

thereby decreasing GLA production. Limit GLA production and you get fatter

and less healthy.



Borage seed oil can be found in health stores. As for using it as a GLA

source, Barry has this to say. For optimum health, you need the correct

ratio of GLA and EPA (eicosapentanenoic acid; richest source is salmon).

EPA is a member of the omega 3 family of fatty acids and it is a regulator

of the key enzymes that control the flow of omega 6 essential acids (i.e.,

GLA). If you don't have the correct balance between GLA and EPA you won't

have optimum health, and you can't get that optimum balance  from a pill,

according to Barry, because everyone is different, and thus requires a

different balance. 



Barry is a biochemist; he holds the patent for AZT, one of the only drugs

used to treat AIDS patients; he holds a number of cancer drug patents as

well. His book is well worth reading. I found that if I stayed on his

diet, I felt great and lost weight without trying. Unfortunately, my

lifestyle is not kind to diet followers but I keep trying.



Lee  (ltrudick@aol.com) 



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borage and GLA

From: pbyrnes@ix.netcom.com (Patricia C. Byrnes)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:32:00 GMT



Re: GLA



If you can get hold of the book by Udo Erasmus, "Fats That Heal, Fats

That Kill" it will tell you all you've ever wanted to know (and

probably more) about the subject of Essential Fatty Acids.



The Sears book is also a good source but not as good IMHO as the

Erasmus.



It seems all the emphasis on low-fat diets is killing us.



Regards ... Pat



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Borage and GLA

From: karlhank@xmission.com (Karl Hancock)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:42:33 GMT



a somewhat commercial bit of information about GLA, etc on:

http://www.xmission.com/~natures/epo2.htm

It relates to evening primrose oil.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ***  PAIN   ***

From: a09748@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (ESSA)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 22:08:48 GMT



Al Pinsi (pinsal@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

:    To Mr. John Badanes:

[snip]

:    F*** off.



postmaster@ix.netcom.com has been forwarded a copy of this post.



---

pwhiteside@essa.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: seeking a recipe for herb seasoning and dip mix

From: Robert Allen Stevens <meaderyman@delphi.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 17:51:17 -0500



I have grown the  following herbs this summer and have not been

able to locate an herb seasoning and dip mix;

a variety of basils-anise, cinnamon, purple, lemon

oregano

pineapple, purple, scary, and regular sage

parsley-flat and Italian

pineapple mint

I have perused library and bookstores and have not , as yet,

found any recipes.

 

I'd appreciate any suggestions and help you can offer.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: seeking a recipe for herb seasoning and dip mix

From: redswan@dorsai.org

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 12:10:28 GMT



Robert Allen Stevens <meaderyman@delphi.com> wrote:



>I have grown the  following herbs this summer and have not been

>able to locate an herb seasoning and dip mix;

>a variety of basils-anise, cinnamon, purple, lemon

>oregano

>pineapple, purple, scary, and regular sage

>parsley-flat and Italian

>pineapple mint

>I have perused library and bookstores and have not , as yet,

>found any recipes.

> 

>I'd appreciate any suggestions and help you can offer.



Why rely on something you find from a book? Invent your own.

I make a yogurt dip for veggies that I am constantly changing the

seasonings according to my whims.

I start with a cup of plain yougurt add 1 tbls lemon juice then what

ever seasonings feel good.  Then let it sit an hour or so in the

fridge for the flavors to develop. I see quite a few combinations that

sound great in that list of herbs.



**************************************************************



      Rita M. Black                   Redswan@dorsai.org

                                      Starmaid@aol.com



***************************************************************





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: The Herbal Diet.

From: picabia@picabia.seanet.com (@--->-------------)

Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 16:00:50 MST



In article <46uiot$449@www3.aimnet.com> aol94501@www3.aimnet.com (aol94501.com) 

writes:

>From: aol94501@www3.aimnet.com (aol94501.com)

>Subject: The Herbal Diet.

>Date: 28 Oct 1995 17:44:13 -0700

>Summary: Great Stuff, check out their homepage at http://www.aol94501.com/simpl

yherbs



Check out "THEIR" home page??  Wouldn't that be YOUR home page -- after all it 

has your email address in the web address -- or didn't you expect us to notice 

that???  A peddler in sheeps clothing etc, etc,....     -E





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Has anyone heard of Maythorn?

From: <100621.17@compuserve.com>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 01:09:43 GMT





 Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu> writes:

>cstewart@jaxnet.com wrote:

>>On 23 Oct 1995 17:18:01 GMT, trisk@mars.superlink.net (Alan Kantor)

>>wrote:

>>

>>>S<   I once heard mention of an herb called MAYTHORN. I suspect it may be a 

>>>S<british folkname for a briar rose but I would really like some confirmation

.

>>>S<   Has anyone heard of this herb? 

>>>S<

>>

>>Never heard of it, but you may be referring to hawthorn, which down

>>here in north Florida we call mayapple.

><snip>



Almost certainly Hawthorn. This has variously been called in Britain May, 

Mayflower. Whitethorn (to distinguish it from Blackthorn) and a whole load

of other names to do with May. It has very ancient connections with pagan

religion and May - the name Hawthorn comes from Huath, Gaelic for terrible

or terror, due to its connection with the Hag.



Hawthorn is used for cardiac disorders. You can eat the young shoots and 

buds. Its a snack for kids in the country - I munched them as a kid many

times on my way to school.



Hope that helps



Kevin



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Meeicinal effects of

From: parallax@news.gate.net (Michael C Meyer)

Date: 29 Oct 1995 20:34:13 -0500



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CM>>>From: cmoore@mailbag.com (Cathy Moore)

CM>>>Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

CM>>>Subject: Re: Meeicinal effects of Ginger

CM>>>Date: 26 Oct 1995 16:05:01 GMT

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CM>>>In article <46nvf4$fh6@cutter.clas.ufl.edu>

CM>>>hughesrh@dale.cba.ufl.edu (Richard Hughes) writes:



CM>>>> I recently heard some discussion on the positive effects of ginger,

CM>>>> specifically ginger ale.  Is there really any ginger in ginger ale?

CM>>>> Are some brands better than others?



CM>>>I've read and found through experimenting that *real* ginger ale helps

CM>>>reduce motion sickness and nausea in general.  It also helps soothe a

CM>>>sore throat (though "soothe" isn't quite the right word--"burn away" is

CM>>>more accurate!).  I get the really strong stuff, "Jamaican style," made

CM>>>by Reeds and available in our food coop and quirky restaurants.  Asian

CM>>>food stores might also sell a potent ginger ale.  I forget the brand

CM>>>name I've seen most.



CM>>>Check the ingredients to make sure the ginger ale really has

CM>>>ginger--the big brands sold in grocery stores don't.



CM>>>Cathy



It's called "Ginger Beer" and is a *soft* drink from Jamaica, it will clear

your sinus'also!

                                                               

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net

Subject: Re: What is Damiana & St. John's Wort?

From: Brad Bishop <be@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 01:39:08 GMT



I'm in Dallas, e-mail me and I'll give you some information.



-- 

"It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he 

 believes he already knows." Epictetus (c.a.d.55-c.135)



Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Damiana & St. John's Wort?

From: be@ix.netcom.com (Brad Bishop )

Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:53:40 GMT



<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) wrote:



I am very new to considering herbs for helpful purposes.

Please forgive if this is too basic of a question for this

group.



Be<> No question is too basic.



What is Damiana and what is it supposed to be good for?

What is St. John's Wort?



Be<> Damiana, herb for helping with sexual potency and 

infertility for both male and female. Strengthens the

reproductive organs. Helps with menopause, hot flashes.



Are there any suggestions of herbs that are supposed to 

be good for mild depression?



Be<> I've been taking Melatonin and it seems to have helped

me, I have seen posts from others that have had a reverse

action. Primrose oil, black currant oil are some. Their are 

many vitamins and minerals that help also. Vitamin B complex,

calcium, magnesium, chromium and zinc. Blue green algae.



Also what about having high blood pressure (I'm actually on

prescribed blood pressure medcine), any recommendations?



Be<> Garlic, Cayenne, chamomile, fennel, hawtorn berries, 

parsley and rosemary to name a few. Melatonin also is supposed

to help. Calcium, magnesium, L-carnitine, selenium, Vitamin C,

zinc flaxseed oil, olive oil. Many more ...



And while I'm at it, can a very GOOD QUALITY (&low cost supplier)

be recommended. You may want to email me this part instead of 

posting to the entire group. I would perfer a local source

(Dallas, TX) but mail order is ok (if more economical). 

My e-mail address is busykngt@airmail.net



Be<> I'll get that to you.

 

Hope this helps sincerely,



"It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he 

 believes he already knows." Epictetus (c.a.d.55-c.135)

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Brad Bishop

BeHealthy

http://shops.net/shops/BeHealthy/

e-mail: Be@ix.netcom.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Damiana & St. John's Wort?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 08:27:02 GMT



busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) wrote:

>I am very new to considering herbs for helpful purposes.

>Please forgive if this is too basic of a question for this group.

>

>What is Damiana and what is it supposed to be good for?

>What is St. John's Wort?

>

>Are there any suggestions of herbs that are supposed to be

>good for mild depression?



According to 'Herbs That Heal' by Michael A. Weiner...St. John's Wort 

(Hypericum perforatum) extract has been found to be an anti-depressant.  

The studies reported on (6 & 15 cases each) showed resulting "improvement 

in symptoms of depression, anxiety, insomnia, dysphoric mood, and 

self-esteem.  No side effects were reported"  This article also 

recommends no internal usage.



According to 'Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West' by Michael Moore...

"Hypericum is one of our best herbal therapies for depression and numbing 

frustration."  He follows with a lot of info about the different types of 

depressions and who will best benefit from Hypericum usage.



According to 'The New Holistic Herbal' by David Hoffman...Hypericum taken 

internally "has sedative and pain reducing effect, which gives it a place 

in the treatment of neuralgia, anxiety, tension and similar problems..."

Damiana (Turnera aphrodisiaca) "is an excellent strengthing remedy for 

the nervous system"..."ancient reputation as aphrodisiac...has definate 

tonic action on the central nervous and hormonal system...alkaloids could 

have a testosterone-like action..."

 

According to Deb (& I haven't written MY book yet)... It works to smooth 

out the everyday hassles (I once had 3 teenagers) and the effects of SAD 

(seasonal affective disorder). 

 

>

>Also what about having high blood pressure (I'm actually on

>prescribed blood pressure medcine), any recommendations?



All three of the above books refer to Hawthorn (Crataegus oxyacanthoides, 

C. oxycantha, C. douglasii, C. columbiana) as a tonic for the heart.  It 

seems to work to mildly "strengthen weak functions or to decrease 

excessive functions" (Moore)  I recommend reading these articles in their 

entirety and deciding for yourself if this is the route for you. 



Good luck & good health, 

Deb





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Damiana & St. John's Wort?

From: callie@writepage.com (Callie)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:52:41 GMT



In article <46vq6l$vd8@news.iadfw.net>,

   busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) wrote:



>

>What is Damiana and what is it supposed to be good for?

>What is St. John's Wort?



Damiana is listed in one of my pharmaceutical books as an

antidepressant.  It has a reputation for being an aphrodisiac

but I think it might be because a major symptom of depression

is loss of sex drive. Undepress, and you get sexy again.

It is also in a Mexican pharmaceutical book as a treatment

for "melancholy".



St. Johns wort is listed i several as an antidepressant.





Callie



Callie@writepage.com      | The Write Page for genre fiction:

http://www.writepage.com  | All the books that are fun to read.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essential Oils

From: Penina Finger <Penina@terminus.intermind.net>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 02:15:29 GMT



I am posting the following for my friend, who is a student of essential 

oils and aromatherapy:



*     *     *

Can anyone in England, France, or elsewhere in Europe send me documented 

information on the use and application of essential oils in 

hospitals--diffused, used as disinfectants, applied in massage, etc. 

Newspaper articles as well as professional papers are welcomed.



Thanks!



Please send info to penina@terminus.intermind.net

or by snailmail:

Healing Hands

7104 Dalegrove

Las Vegas, NV 89129

USA



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Where to find Yohimbe??

From: dsdd@soho.ios.com (dennis schwab)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 10:04:46 GMT





Hi,



I am looking for a place to find Yohimbe.  I noticed some time ago  a 

woman who wrote of having it in elixer form, instead of bark.  I haven't 

been able to find any elixer form that actually works as well as the bark.



Could someone help me out??





Dracena

        dsdd@soho.ios.com       ar138@lafn.org



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to find Yohimbe??

From: pawgep@aol.com (Paw Gep)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:14:27 -0500



>I am looking for a place to find Yohimbe.  I noticed some time ago  a 

>woman who wrote of having it in elixer form, instead of bark.  I haven't 

>been able to find any elixer form that actually works as well as the

bark.

>

>Could someone help me out??



Try Cheryl's Herbs

Extensive Herbal/Aromatherapy catalog available by e-mail from

pawgep@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to find Yohimbe??

From: lawren.freebody@greatesc.com (Lawren Freebody)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:30:00 GMT



DS>From: dsdd@soho.ios.com (dennis schwab)



DS>I am looking for a place to find Yohimbe.  I noticed some time ago  a

DS>woman who wrote of having it in elixer form, instead of bark.  I haven't

DS>been able to find any elixer form that actually works as well as the bark.



DS>Could someone help me out??



The most potent form of yohimbe is yohimbe hydrochloride. While it is

available by prescription in the U.S., I buy it over the counter in

Tijuana.



Incidentally, virtually every drug store in TJ sells some form of

yohimbine (often many), usually in the form of an elixir or encapsulated

blend of herbs purported to enhance male potency.





Lawren



 * SLMR 2.1a * A mind so complex, it's breaking his neck.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: polyps

From: amy.williamson@delta.com (Amy Williamson)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 05:39:00 -0500



Has anyone had any success with removing or reducing the size of a 

polyp in the nose?



TTYL                            at 05:39 on Mon, 10-30-95

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: More Alcoholic Drink Notes

From: dlj@inforamp.net (David Lloyd-Jones)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:56:57 GMT



camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:



>Uh, I hate to tell you this, but MOST if not all alchoholic beverages

>were originally produced as "medicinals".  Beer for one.  The only

>reason they have hops in it is NOT for the bitterness (which most have

>learned to like and expect) but due to the sedative effects of hops.

 

As recently as the mid '60's Rexall Drug Stores carried a nifty

product called "Beef, Iron and Wine", aged in clear glas bottles a 

minimum of 90 minutes, and packaged with a generic looking

blue and white label that the Liquor Control Board overlooked for

years and years.  Good fer keepin' Granny merry, and she sleeps in

the next morning, too...

 

Then there was Swiss Bitters, which they just got around to making

illegal about 18 months ago.  Damn stuff was about 150 Proof, tasted

like Buckley's Mixture, and there's a news stand at Bathurst and Queen

on one of Toronto's "tracks" that used to pile the stuff up in gross

cases, 144 little bottles ran about a thousand bucks, next to the cash

register on Saturday nights.  That and the condoms for the girls was

enough to make the health of the people a lucrative trade.

 

Moving right along, Angostura Bitters come in those little brown 

bottles so you can shake a couple of drops into your Xmas pudding

recipe.  Then again in the home islands they sell it by the quart, and

it's well on the high side of 100 proof.  A large tumbler half and

half with fresh orange juice: breakfast of champions.

 

The day I'm waiting for is the day the Spadina Avenue layabouts

discover Chinese cooking wine.  (Spadina is home to our incoming

immigrants on the way up, or our down and outs on the way, er, down

and out.)  This stuff is basically vodka and salt, about 75 proof and

gone the other side of sea-water.  But here's the thing: it sells for

about $1.10 a bottle, or 1/25th of the price of the equivalent amount

of alcohol in the Provincial stores.  It's fine stuff to use in a

stir-fry if you want to cut down on the oil, at the price of taking on

a load of sodium, and I sure as hell wouldn't drink the stuff.  But

one of these days the word is going to go out that it's in the stores,

and it's going to be Katy bar the door oral saline all up and down the

street.

                                 Cheers,



                                                  -dlj. 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: More Alcoholic Drink Notes

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:11:07 GMT



Yechh... a high on cooking sherry? At least you'd never be hung over. 

You'd cop a buzz and run straight for the water fountain.... I've seen a 

few of the desperate folk around here going for vanilla extract. 

Possesses a somewhat more pleasing bouquet, I'd imagine. For the true 

gourmet, as it's a little more pricey than the sherry.

Liz 





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: More Alcoholic Drink Notes

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:27:09 GMT



On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:56:57 GMT, dlj@inforamp.net (David Lloyd-Jones)

wrote:



>camel@winternet.com (caMel) wrote:

>

>>Uh, I hate to tell you this, but MOST if not all alchoholic beverages

>>were originally produced as "medicinals".  Beer for one.  The only

>>reason they have hops in it is NOT for the bitterness (which most have

>>learned to like and expect) but due to the sedative effects of hops.

> 

>As recently as the mid '60's Rexall Drug Stores carried a nifty

>product called "Beef, Iron and Wine", aged in clear glas bottles a 

>minimum of 90 minutes, and packaged with a generic looking

>blue and white label that the Liquor Control Board overlooked for

>years and years.  Good fer keepin' Granny merry, and she sleeps in

>the next morning, too...

> 

>Then there was Swiss Bitters, which they just got around to making

>illegal about 18 months ago.  Damn stuff was about 150 Proof, tasted

>like Buckley's Mixture, and there's a news stand at Bathurst and Queen

>on one of Toronto's "tracks" that used to pile the stuff up in gross

>cases, 144 little bottles ran about a thousand bucks, next to the cash

>register on Saturday nights.  That and the condoms for the girls was

>enough to make the health of the people a lucrative trade.

> 

>Moving right along, Angostura Bitters come in those little brown 

>bottles so you can shake a couple of drops into your Xmas pudding

>recipe.  Then again in the home islands they sell it by the quart, and

>it's well on the high side of 100 proof.  A large tumbler half and

>half with fresh orange juice: breakfast of champions.

> 

>The day I'm waiting for is the day the Spadina Avenue layabouts

>discover Chinese cooking wine.  (Spadina is home to our incoming

>immigrants on the way up, or our down and outs on the way, er, down

>and out.)  This stuff is basically vodka and salt, about 75 proof and

>gone the other side of sea-water.  But here's the thing: it sells for

>about $1.10 a bottle, or 1/25th of the price of the equivalent amount

>of alcohol in the Provincial stores.  It's fine stuff to use in a

>stir-fry if you want to cut down on the oil, at the price of taking on

>a load of sodium, and I sure as hell wouldn't drink the stuff.  But

>one of these days the word is going to go out that it's in the stores,

>and it's going to be Katy bar the door oral saline all up and down the

>street.

>                                 Cheers,

>

>                                                  -dlj. 

>

>

>

It would be interesting if someone made a compilation of the liquors

according to their medicinal uses rather than their percentage of

alcohol.  Maybe then we could get past the ideology that all alcoholic

mixtures are for a "buzz" only.  Granted, prohibition and those who

are prohibitionists did the WORST damage in making people forget their

original uses, but just like with the herbal and homeopathic remedies

that are being recovered, maybe someone can have enough objective

sense to bring back the knowledge of why these alcohol/tincture

recipes were made.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: MELATONIN - SIDE EFFECTS?

From: JIM MULCAHY <mulcahyj@beta.delphi.com>

Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:38:55 GMT



I have been taking melatonin for three days (3 mg at bedtime).  

Co-incidentally, I have experienced bad headaches for two of those three 

days?  Is there anyplace I can find side-effect information?  It's 

possible that the headache is due to quick weather changes and is 

sinus-related.  Thanks,

jim





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pycnogenol cure?

From: JPCL27A@prodigy.com (Helene Rudner)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 14:21:26 GMT



Has anyone heard of pycnogenol [proanthocyanidian]? Supposed to be a 

cancer cure.  it is disstributed in this country by Kritical Kaire. It 

comes from a pine time in France. Thank you as a friend is taking this 

and hoping for a cure



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: indigestion/gas - any herbs?

From: sasare@uoguelph.ca (Seth N Asare)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:17:37 GMT



Is there any herbs for indigestion and gas in the stomach??



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: indigestion/gas - any herbs?

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:18:33 -0800



Seth N Asare (sasare@uoguelph.ca) wrote:

: Is there any herbs for indigestion and gas in the stomach??



For indigestion, I find that a few pieces of dried papaya and a cup of

peppermint tea work wonders.  I understand that parsley is good for 

a gassy stomach.  



-jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: indigestion/gas - any herbs?

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 08:44:21 GMT



Try peppermint tea.  Or ginger tea, tincture, or REAL ginger ale.  





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: indigestion/gas - any herbs?

From: Liz Jones <lizjones+@pitt.edu>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 12:41:27 GMT



Charcoal is an excellent anti-gas substance. Not exactly herbal-- 

although I suppose it could have been at one time? You can buy charcoal 

which has been prepared in capsules in most pharmacies.

Liz





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ?? Diff between Super Blue-Green & Klamath Lake BG ??

From: braune@leland.Stanford.EDU (Eric Alan Braun)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:41:47 -0800



hi,



i've been using Cell Tech's Super BG Algae for about a month

and think it is one of the best things i've ever put in my body. the

downside is that they are expensive. i don't mind paying for good quality

product but 54% of the cost goes into paying off networks of distributors.



Klamath Blue-Green is an algae product found in health food stores that

comes from the same area as Cell Tech and is 40% cheaper.



Does anyone have experience with Klamath vs Cell Tech's product? i'd

appreciate hearing from you.



TIA,



Eric

-- 

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      o o      There's no such thing as failure - there's only results

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Open Your Heart Today - Don't Wait for a Surgeon to do it for You!

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From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ?? Diff between Super Blue-Green & Klamath Lake BG ??

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:12:09 GMT



In article <472v8b$pf7@elaine33.stanford.edu>,

Eric Alan Braun <braune@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

>

>i've been using Cell Tech's Super BG Algae for about a month

>and think it is one of the best things i've ever put in my body. the

>downside is that they are expensive. i don't mind paying for good quality

>product but 54% of the cost goes into paying off networks of distributors.

>

>Klamath Blue-Green is an algae product found in health food stores that

>comes from the same area as Cell Tech and is 40% cheaper.



According to Chris Hardwicke (hardwicc@sparky.oit.osshe.edu), who is

a former Cell Tech employee, he was taught during employee training

that KLBGA is heat-processed which destroys nutrients, etc., unlike

SBGA which is freeze-dried.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: WTB: Herb Supplier

From: ajbrewer@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew John Brewer)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 08:43:36 -0800



I'm looking for a supplier of raw herbs -- not exliers, concentrates, 

powders, or the like.



Thanks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Consumer Reports Article

From: nyts@news.dorsai.org (New York Theosophical Society)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:07:26 GMT



        I just read the Consumer Reports article on herbal medicine.  

Taken from the point of view that their editors generally consider AMA 

reports to be the Truth(tm), it is surprisingly balanced.



        Bart Lidofsky





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Consumer Reports Article

From: jakiel@crl.com (Jennifer B. Jakiel)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:22:11 -0800



New York Theosophical Society (nyts@news.dorsai.org) wrote:

:       I just read the Consumer Reports article on herbal medicine.  

: Taken from the point of view that their editors generally consider AMA 

: reports to be the Truth(tm), it is surprisingly balanced.



:       Bart Lidofsky



I got a chance to read that article, and to an extent I agree.  The writer(s)

did come up with some good points (i.e. standardization of dosages, etc.)

but I noticed that the herbs that tended to come under fire were ones that

I've noticed the regulars in a.f.h already understand the complications with

(one of the major notes being the OTC stimulant blends containing guarana

and ma huang).  I would have liked it if they had spotlighted some more 

unusual herbs, but then, they were going for the ones that many people use,

weren't they?  Overall, however, it's a fairly good article.



--jen





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gelatin capsules

From: jennifer.thayer@merlins-realm.com (Jennifer Thayer)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:53:03 GMT



Hello fellow herbies,

   I was wondering if anyone (everyone?) knows of the most inexpensive

place to buy gelatin capsules. They sell them at my local health food

store, but they are a bit too expensive. I don't mind buying in

quantities, if I get them cheap enough!!



                                      Thanks in  advance!



                                                       Jennifer



*************************Mind is the builder****************************

                            Edgar Cayce



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: BEST Ginseng Product Available?

From: essi@ix.netcom.com (John E. Verin )

Date: 30 Oct 1995 19:37:30 GMT



In <46vr6j$10u@zippy.cais.net> swmpthng@cais2.cais.com (Swampthing)

writes: 

[snip]



I'm pretty fed up with the american free market bastardizing everything

it can get its hands on to make money. Herbs are a new hot item, the

latest cash crop, and all sorts of companies are popping up to sell

"miracle herbs," or whatever.



Ginseng is heavily mystified by these mass marketeers, which allows

them to sell it to consumers who think "ginseng makes you strong," or

"it'll keep you hard for hours,' etc etc.  It's only this mystification

that allows them to sell ginseng the way they do. Why don't we see

echinacea, or red clover so heavily mraketed? The BS stinks enough to

kill you.



So, to answer the question, the more process a plant is, the less it'll

have for you. Try buying roots, or extract. Most of all, try supporting

your local herbalist, and not the junk mail-type catalogs.



PS- despite the above grumblings, I am glad that we are more

herb-conscious than we've been in a while.





Happy herbaling,



John



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal remedy for yeast infection ?

                

From: sasilva@locomotive.pok.ibm.com (Sara Anahory Silva)

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:09:00 GMT



Hi



Any suggestions on herbal remedies for yeast infections ? I have read so

many books and the more I read the more confused I get. Would appreciate 

your help.

Thanks,

Sara





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for yeast infection ?

From: camel@winternet.com (caMel)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:28:21 GMT



On Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:09:00 GMT, sasilva@locomotive.pok.ibm.com (Sara

Anahory Silva) wrote:



>Hi

>

>Any suggestions on herbal remedies for yeast infections ? I have read so

>many books and the more I read the more confused I get. Would appreciate 

>your help.

>Thanks,

>Sara

>

Yogurt. Applied topically.





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: some advice please

From: Amanda Stossel <fspr@aurora.alaska.edu>

Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:29:15 -0900



hello out there...

I was hoping someone could recommend a type of alchohol to use to make 

tinctures, I haven't the first clue as to how to do it.



Secondly, how does one go about getting the essential oils from an herb? 

I can't really afford to buy them, and I have lots of the raw material.



All suggestions welcomed



Mandy



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: shingles guestion

From: marjan@lys.vnet.net (Abd ulRaHman)

Date: 30 Oct 1995 23:31:14 GMT





My husband was just diagnosed with shingles. Am wondering if anyone has 

experience using any alternative methods. Also I have never had 

chickenpox and therefore am able to be infected from him. Any things I 

can do to protect myself? Thanks in advance...



(using my husbands account)  magdalene



--

Abd ulRaHman

marjan@vnet.net

P.O. Box 25133

Asheville, NC 28813





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: shingles guestion

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:50:27 -0500



Magdalene: Take lots of vitamin C and E. None of my children ever had

chicken pox for more than a day-day and a half. I would start giving them

2 tablespoons of liquid vitamin C every three/four hours.



To make liquid Vitamin C, get a good tasting chewable kind. Put 100 250 mg

pills( or 50 500mg)  in a pint jar. Pour 1 cup boiling wate over the

pills. Stir till dissolved. Each tablespoon is worth 1500 mg Vitamin C.

Refrigerate! It may cause some diarrhea but not to worry. Vitamin C has a

special key system that locks into viruses and carries them out via the

body's natural elimination process.



This is a wonderful cure for croup (sp?), that awful cough that children

are prone to. After being up with my 2 1/2 year old for half the night

more than once trying to keep him comfortable I finally started giving him

2 tablespoons liquid vitamin C at the onset of the croupy cough. Like

magic, all signs of the cough would be gone within a half hour. I never

had to repeat the dosage. I made a jar up for one of my Amish friends

whose young son suffered from ashma. The son is much better these days..



Lee



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: info needed

From: <73377.3370@compuserve.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 02:03:37 GMT





just back from Bahama islands where locals swear by tea made from these 2 plants

. can anyone tell me how and where to get more info on them. tnaks.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Homeopathic/Holistic Substances

From: kamiscot@interport.net (Kami Scott)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:57:23 GMT



I've been trying to get some information about: Aquagaia; Gaiandriana;

and Auscarban (the label for this one is handwritten, so I'm not sure

if this is the right name).  



They were sold to me by a homeopathic veterinarian for my dog, who is

having three chemo treatments.  He wouldn't tell me anything more than

they're to help her immune system.



I want to know more about them and how they help.



Also, what is an anti-oxidant and what is it supposed to do?



Thanks.



------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.interport.net/~kamiscot/





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Homeopathic/Holistic Substances

From: ltrudick@aol.com (Ltrudick)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 09:50:39 -0500



Kami Scott: Free-radicals are atoms (formed during the body's natural

energy process) that have excess energy. They look for another atom with

which to share the excess energy. In the body, free radicals transfer the

energy to the cells of the body tissues. This can cause great damage. They

can destroy the protective cover of cells, get inside the cells , and

inflict terrible damage on the brain of the cell, DNA, so that the cell

has trouble dividing and repairing itself.



It all begins in the body's energy process. Oxygen is essential in this

process but, in the wrong form, it can be dangerous. As energy is

produced, electrons are kicked out of some of the atoms' shells. These

electrons don't like being free so they hook up with another atom. When it

does this, the electron creates a highly energized, very unstable atom

which is called a "free-radical". This free radical is so energized it

wants to share its energy so it hooks up with another atom and the energy

is transfered to the cells of the body tissues. The breakdown process

begins.



You might try giving Vitamin C, Vitamin E, selenium, carotene, or

melatonin (dosage dependent on equivalent human age) to your dog. Dr

Reiter (who's now written a book, Melatonin) has some proof that

melatonin, like the others mentioned above, is a free-radical scavenger.



Lee



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: pine bark & grape seed

From: dcross01@solix.fiu.edu (darryl s cross)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 05:39:00 GMT



Pycnogenol (trademark)

Proanthocyanidin



Pine bark and Grape seed  (PBGS) extract is the best known source.



Extremely powerful antioxidant.  

The most efficient natural free radical scavenger known.

Prevents and treats free radical caused disorders.

The only know anti-oxidant that penetrates the blood brain barrier, thus the bra

in is protected from free radical damage.

Non-toxic, non-teratogenic, non-carcinogenic, non-antigenic.



As an anti-oxidant:

20 times more powerful than vitamin C

50 times more powerful than vitamin E



--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~

Scott Cross      o               http://www.fiu.edu/~dcross01/at_the_cross.html

                   o      

            ><ix0us>            





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for ladies

From: dcross01@solix.fiu.edu (darryl s cross)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 05:40:00 GMT



A list of herbs for females follows:



Ginger:

A tonic, an anti-emitic used by women everywhere for anykind of nausea,

morning sickness or lower gastrointestinal discomfort experienced

during menstruation.



Dong Quai:

An Asian tonic to help regulate cycles and hormones.



Black Haw:

An old indian remedy and preventative aid for female complaints relating

to menstruation and pregnancy.



Cramp Bark

Useful in preventing cramps and other pains and discomforts related to

menstual cycles.



Valerian Root:

A sedative and anti-spasmodic for use during menstruation.





--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~

Scott Cross      o               http://www.fiu.edu/~dcross01/at_the_cross.html

                   o      

            ><ix0us>



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I need a good shampoo

From: davidskey@aol.com (DAVIDS KEY)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 04:30:37 -0500



Can you suggest a good shampoo.  My hair is dry and I have tried the

better shampoos in local drug stores.  I read about vegetable based

shampoos but can't seem to find any.  I bought an herbal shampoo from

health food store with lots of herbs and coconut soap, but it is worse

than the drug store shampoos.



Thanks for your help



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Jumping Beans ?

From: aemark@muccmail.missiouri.edu (Mark Olson)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:08:28 UNDEFINED



        My wife when she was a kid, said she had some jumping beans that was giv

en

to her.  She was playing in the yard with them and set the beans down to go in 

the house, and when she returned the beans had jumped away.

        So my question is, do any of you know what jumping beans are, why 

they jump, and if you can still buy them ?





                                Mark Olson



                     Mark_Olson@muccmail.missouri.edu





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

To: MAMX59B@prodigy.com

Subject: Re: All Natural Soaps (ad)

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 14:33:57 GMT



Hi there,

I am interested in your pure natural soaps. Please mail me a list 

w/prices. More information is needed about the different kinds soaps

offered. Thanks



Michelle



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Schools in Canada

From: Kate Maddigan Johnson <w57kmj@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:16:16 -0330



        Hi. I'm looking for info on schools in Canada, specifically West of  

Ontario, specializing in herbal medicine. If anyone could send me any 

info on this, i'd really appreciate it. Names, addreses, websites would 

be wonderful. Thanks, Kate Johnson.

Please email me directly, if possible.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Schools in Canada

From: Kate Maddigan Johnson <w57kmj@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:16:16 -0330



        Hi. I'm looking for info on schools in Canada, specifically West of  

Ontario, specializing in herbal medicine. If anyone could send me any 

info on this, i'd really appreciate it. Names, addreses, websites would 

be wonderful. Thanks, Kate Johnson.

Please email me directly, if possible.



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Naturopathic Medicine Web Site Needs Your Help

From: tlmahan@aol.com (TLMahan)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 11:03:06 -0500



http://www.healthtrek.com



Please visit and e-mail any comments or suggestions for improvement to

HealthTrek@aol.com



We are investigating including and herbal library with pictures and

medicinal uses of the herbs.  I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Naturopathic Medicine Web Site Needs Your Help

From: tlmahan@aol.com (TLMahan)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 11:03:06 -0500



http://www.healthtrek.com



Please visit and e-mail any comments or suggestions for improvement to

HealthTrek@aol.com



We are investigating including and herbal library with pictures and

medicinal uses of the herbs.  I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Thanks!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: breast-milk ??

From: sasare@uoguelph.ca (Seth N Asare)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:03:44 GMT



My wife continues to produce breast-milk almost 2 yrs after weaning our 

last born who is now 27 mths. This problem actually started after weaning 

our first born who is now 5 1/3 yrs. Her gynaecologist has run series of 

test all these while but has not been able to diagnose what is wrong. as 

a last resort she has been booked for a cat scan in 4 mths time. 

I strongly believe there are some herbs around to take care of this 

instead of going through all these tests. i remember very well that back 

home in Ghana there are some herbs which are usually recommended to women 

who loss their kids at birth to stop the production of breastmilk. 

Anybody up here with information of similar herbs which is available 

please share with us.

thanks  



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: How did all this come about?

From: goodmich@isu.edu.cwis

Date: 31 Oct 1995 17:13:19 GMT



It seems to me that herbs and these old methods of healing have been 

around for a very long time.  What I don't understand is why people

turned from them to modern western medicines.  What could they have

seen in the new stuff?  When did they turn away and where are you

finding all of your information now?



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pagan Pages - How to get

From: Rabe.1@osu.edu (Lee Ann Rabe)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 17:57:22 GMT



The Pagan Community Council of Ohio is offering:



The 1996 Pagan Pages



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or Pagan-friendly businesses or resources and more than 30 Pagans

interested in networking with other Pagans. 



To order your copy of the 16-page 1996 Pagan Pages, send a check or money

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PCCO, P.O. Box 82089, Columbus, OH 43202.



If you have questions about the 1996 Pagan Pages, or would like to find out

how to be included in 1997, please feel free to e-mail me.



Blessed Be!



Lee Ann Rabe

lrabe@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu





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--- Ben Franklin



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: what's with the apple cider vinegar

From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight)

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:52:15 GMT





>Sounds great.... are there suggested ways to use this other than the honey, 

>water, & cider vinegar posted earlier?



What is the ratio of honey to vinegar and how much water?   Would

someone please post the formula (errr....recipe)?





From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Cocoa Butter Soap ...

From: Terry Shay <tlshay@magpage.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 19:50:20 GMT



If you would like a wonderful, handcrafted, 100 percent Cocoa 

Butter soap, please Email me for info on it. I make it available 

wholesale, as well as retail. Great idea for making gift baskets 

for holiday season presents, or personal use. I also make 

available 100 percent Cocoa Butter - it has that wonderful 

chocolate aroma to it!





Kindest Regards,



Terry Shay





P.S.  Would the woman who Emailed me a day or two ago ( had a .ug 

in her address ) please Email me again. I sent you Email but it 

was returned as not a good address!



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pennyroyal

From: tinasnky@aol.com (TinaSnKY)

Date: 31 Oct 1995 15:06:50 -0500



I am an herb grower. I would like to grow pennyroyal, but am unable to

find this anywhere. Can anyone help? Thanks. e-mail: TinaSnKy@aol.com



From XYZ Sun Sep 23 01:42:27 2001

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginseng

From: "Jerri L. Molt" <jmolt@connectus.com>

Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:13:46 GMT



I wonder if anyone has taken Ginsana for any length of time, and if it 

has resulted in increased energy. A friend of mine said that he knew a 

women who had taken a ginseng supplement, and it had a side effect of 

increased hair growth, including facial hair. Has anyone else heard of 

that? I would like to find something to increase my energy - any 

suggestions?? BTW, I already exercise(mostly yoga), and that has helped 

some.Thanks!





