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Subject: olive leaf extract

From: Mei-Tien Hsing <a.wu@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:23:41 -0500

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I was reading about olive leaf extract and its effects on immune system.

It sounds so good, but I like to hear more about their experiences in

using it and if there is any short term and long term side effects?



Thanks

Mei-Tien





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Subject: Progesterone Drops

From: "Jerry Wilks" <jwilks@telis.org>

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:07:15 -0800

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    After reading Dr. Lee's book , I would like to try progesterone drops. I

have migraines being caused by low progesterone and have tried just about

everything to get rid of them. I am currently using the cream which has

450mg per oz.   The health stores in my area do not carry them.  Could some

one tell me of a company that has the Vitamin E Progesterone drops.  Any

other ideas out there!



Thanks



Evonne









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Subject: Re: Progesterone Drops

From: bunny@pollyanna.demon.co.uk (Bunny Smedley)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:25:14 +0000

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In article <345AB935.50C0313D@idt.net>, drv@idt.net wrote:



> Jerry Wilks wrote:

> 

> >     After reading Dr. Lee's book , I would like to try progesterone drops. I

> > have migraines being caused by low progesterone and have tried just about

> > everything to get rid of them. I am currently using the cream which has

> > 450mg per oz.   The health stores in my area do not carry them.  Could some

> > one tell me of a company that has the Vitamin E Progesterone drops.  Any

> > other ideas out there!

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Evonne

> 

>  Hi Evonne:

> Yes, now that you mention it - I do have some ideas.  First, are you

sure these

> are migraines or are they headaches?  Migraines have visual or auditory

> disturbances connected and usually have extreme nausea, vertigo,

vomiting, etc.

> Headaches are more common in your case when the progest. falls.  Before you

> start manipulating your own hormones into oblivion - please consider a few

> simple tricks I've learned over the years (being a man it was hard, uh,

> diffi-cult, believe me).  Try the tried and true.

> Bupleurrum root, Peony root, dong quai root, atractyulodes rhizome, poria

> fungus, ginger root, licorice root - all tied neatly together with a

peppermint

> bag.  Call Metagenics 1-800-638-2848 and ask for their FEM Monthly -

your liver

> needs the flow.  Follow the directions exactly and call me in the

morning.   If,

> after 2 cycles you still have them - GO TO A PRO.  ;-_)

> Blessed be.



Evonne,



I agree with a lot of the comment above - it can be quite dangerous

messing about with your own hormones. Having said that, I also know how

patronising, uninterested and downright incompetent some of the

'professionals' out there can be when it comes to problems related to

hormone imbalance.



One idea would be to try Wild Yam (powdered herb or tincture) in SMALL

DOSES - and please try to read up on it first, and stop taking it if it

doesn't seem to be working - it has some human-progesertone-like effects.



Good luck!



Bunny





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: image479@aol.com (Image479)

Date: 1 Nov 1997 01:25:35 GMT

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>I would do a lot more research than you seem to have before I would go 

>around making inuendos about child abuse and alternative treatments. 

>

>



I have been a registered nurse for several years and have never known of Doctor

 to use an ear candle or anyone else for that matter.  But more power to ya.  I

 am saying I would not stick a candle in my ear or anyone else's and light it. 

 A paper cone covered in beeswax is a candle.





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: Ron Parker <datadog@mail.sprint.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 09:51:28 -0500

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Image479 wrote:



> >I would do a lot more research than you seem to have before I would go

> >around making inuendos about child abuse and alternative treatments.

> >

> >

>

> I have been a registered nurse for several years and have never known of Doctor

>  to use an ear candle or anyone else for that matter.



No,, I don't imagine that you have. I first witnessed a demonstration of the ear

candle at a trade show in Miami. A married couple from Michigan had invested all

that they had on a booth to get their product started. The farm boy and his wife

had the little booth in the corner. Their product was hand packaged and labeled.

They were the laughing stock of the show. I advised my new friends to get a lot of

liability insurance and include warning and specific instructions on the labile. I

also advised them to market internationally to less closed minded markets. They now

have moved past hand production and can't make enough to sell to Korea.



BTW, a couple of years ago I took my daughter to the doctor for high fevers, stiff

neck, and headaches. She was diagnosed with some unknown infection, given the

typical antibiotics and sent on her way in the usual medical assembly line manner.

A week later we returned, with my daughter in great pain. This time the doctor

diagnosed a ear canal obstruction. He dislodged the wax obstruction with a steel

probe and managed to permanently damage her ear canal.



The reason many of us subscribe to this group is that we are not overly impressed

with the modern medical, move em in and move em out, money machine.



Peace

Ron



>







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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: image479@aol.com (Image479)

Date: 3 Nov 1997 21:50:14 GMT

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>The reason many of us subscribe to this group is that we are not overly

>impressed

>with the modern medical, move em in and move em out, money machine.



>The reason many of us subscribe to this group is that we are not overly

>impressed

>with the modern medical, move em in and move em out, money machine.



Being a registered nurse does not make me closed minded to alternative

 medicine.  many nurses, including myself are stong beleivers in alternative

 medicine because we see first hand how harmful convention medicine is to our

 patients.  I have also seen many patients who have harmed themselves using

 alternative medicine.  It is dangerous to put a cone covered with wax in your

 ear and light it.  If you think that everyone who uses a ear candle is going

 to use them the  proper way and under supervision you are wrong.  

There are other ways to cure an ear infection,  How about some of those

 wonderful herbs with antibiotic properties, they work great. 





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: lhirst1@ix.netcom.com (linda hirst)

Date: 3 Nov 1997 22:25:14 GMT

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> I have also seen many patients who have harmed themselves using

>  alternative medicine.  It is dangerous to put a cone covered with wax in your

>  ear and light it.  If you think that everyone who uses a ear candle is going

>  to use them the  proper way and under supervision you are wrong.  

> There are other ways to cure an ear infection,  How about some of those

>  wonderful herbs with antibiotic properties, they work great. 





Almost any treatment can be dangerous if used improperly. I don't think

that means we should rule them all out! There will always be people who

act rashly and dangerously, and others who educate themselves and make

informed decisions. Hopefully the latter group would exercise the

necessary amount of care and caution when putting a lit "candle" into an

ear.





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: Debra L Schwartz <debra+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Sat,  1 Nov 1997 10:18:59 -0500

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Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.herbs: 31-Oct-97 Re: Ear candle; does

it rea.. by "Cissy . Thorpe"@lonesta 

> Nothing to "prove a point" about...been in use for ages - doctors even 

> use them - or did until very recently. Pure, simple physics. 



When I was a child I had a simplified version of my father's medical bag

(he is a doctor) it didn't have shots or anything possibly dangerous for

me to play with, but it had some neat things like a stethoscope and all.

One of the things was a little plastic tube with a plunger type thing in

it. You could fill it with water and then compress the plunger to make

it squirt out the front. My father said it was for cleaning out ear wax,

which often causes hearing problems, but is very easy to correct. Of

course, you want to be very gentle about putting water in the ears (not

squirting it out fast like a gun <G>). But it seems a very simple and

easy remedy for ear wax. Insert water, tilt head to get water out.



Rachel

"The higher you soar the smaller you look to those who cannot fly."

Surel or Rachel on DALnet            Surel on WebNet

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/3503 





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: siochain23@aol.com (SIOCHAIN23)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 03:48:00 GMT

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    My ears create a ridiculous amount of wax in a very short period of time. I

 also have dermititis in my ears which makes them very itchy. I used to go to

 the ear doctor twice a year (about $200.00 a shot) to have my ears sucked out

 with a small vacuum. Then I discovered ear candles, and have been using them

 successfully for the past 3 years. Do you know who reccommended them to me? My

 doctor. Now admittedly if you're an careless idiot who is prone to accidents

 with fire, maybe you shouldn't use them. But for the half- way intelligent

 public ,ear candles are a safe, painless, relaxing and effective way of

 removing wax, fungus, allergens, dermititis, and other nasties from your ear

 canal.

    On the down side, the FDA has decided to shut down the woman who makes the

 ear candles for our town. Claiming that they're some sort of "medical device."

 So, I no longer have access to them. My store couldn't keep these things in

 stock! So evidently , doctors were loosing money and got pissed about it. I,

 however was lucky to have an incredibly open- minded, and wonderful doctor,

 whom I can truly call a healer. So if you can find them, try them! I think

 you'll be suprized!





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: vitality@gate.net (vitality@gate.net)

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:53:52 GMT

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zigs66@aol.com (Zigs66) wrote:



>bluewolfGuardian@wizard.net wrote:

><<I have seen ear candles work....(snippage) Empirical proof is always the

>best. >>



>Ok, I've heard that from lots of people.  (laughing softly)  But you missed

>my point.  I am interested in the _theory_ of it, which no one so far has

>been able to explain to me.  



><<Take one (or make one), light it and place it over a jar of

>honey, vaseline, or similar substance.>>



>Wicking a liquid (involving surface tension) isn't the same as

>removing a solid (i.e. hardened lump of wax), so your suggestion of using

> vaseline does not give validity to the experiment.  Remember, people were

> suggesting that ear coning would work when warm water did not.  



><<I would be very interested to hear your results and your explanation of

><<the physics that cause it to work. >>



>Don't be silly.   :-)   I'm the one who asked to hear about the theory in the

> first place.  If I _knew_ the theory then of course I could _explain_ it....! 

>   So far I'm not even satisfied as to the conditions of the experiment.  (It's

> the scientist in me!)



>---Ana



I am no scientist, but I was persuaded to try some of these about a year

ago by the people at a health food store, and they didn't work for me.

After the first two, there was so much brownish stuff in the bottom

couple inches of the cone, that I was convinced they *were* working, but

at the same time I thought it odd that so much wax could have left my

ear without my feeling any sort of sensations.  Then when I burned the

next one, I happened to be looking at the candle in the mirror (which

was backlit by the sunlight from a window) just at the very moment a

huge glob of hot wax started rolling *down* the inside, toward my ear.

It came so close before stopping that I could feel the heat.  The "wax"

that collects in the bottom of the cone is all actually from the candle

itself, though it turns darker than the off-whitish unburnt stuff while

burning, and not from the ears at all!   



vitality







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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: zigs66@aol.com (Zigs66)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 23:38:14 GMT

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vitality@gate.net wrote:

<<The "wax" that collects in the bottom of the cone is all actually from the

 candle itself>>



     I have to admit, this was a major concern I had with the whole ear coning

 project.  If air suction (read differential air pressures) were enough, you

 could use the little bulb like thing they use to clear the nostrils of

 infants.   If it's the heat, warm water would do it.  The idea of burning wax

 near my ear (and hair) horrifies me.  It seems to me that hot wax flowing into

 your ear is a greater hazard than the ear wax that the body naturally

 produces.

  

     This, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that I wish to know the

 physics of the thing.  The drawing in of oxygen is fine as an explanation for

 the reduction of pressure, but if it were that strong, the smoke from the

 candle would not rise and float away, would it?  The smoke rises because it is

 less dense than the surrounding air... but if the air at the candle were at a

 lower pressure, it would also have a lower density (mass per volume has been

 reduced)... 



---Ana 





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:49:40 -0600

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On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Zigs66 wrote:



>      What a fascinating concept!   However, while it may be that simple physics

>  explains ear coning, your explanation of the physics involved is insufficient.

>    I would like to understand the principles you suggest make the product work.

>    Exactly what about the fire causes the suction?  I presume by "suction" you

>  mean a reduced air pressure at the fire (why???); if the wax is so packed in

>  that warm water cannot dissolve it, how can reducing air pressure help?    It

>  seems to me that the pressure difference would have to be quite large before

>  any wax would be removed.   Can you help explain this in better detail?   

>  Please feel free to use technical terms in clarification; I'm a physicist and

>  can easily understand them.  

> 

> ---Ana

> 

> 

I am no physicist, but I think I can understand how lighting a fire at 

one end of a cone would cause suction at the other...can't help you 

with the technical terms.  All I know is that fire needs air and in the 

case of the ear candles it gets it (or at least some of it) from the narrow 

end of the cone - I am quite sure that causes an increase in suction from 

that in - and since the narrow end goes in your ear...well, as a physicist 

you should be able to figure it out. 



Cissy









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To: Zigs66 <zigs66@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: Gaylin Walli <g.walli@infoengine.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:35:30 -0500

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Zigs66 wrote:

>Exactly what about the fire causes the suction?  I presume by "suction" you

>mean a reduced air pressure at the fire (why???); if the wax is so packed in

>that warm water cannot dissolve it, how can reducing air pressure help?    



If I had to take a guess from the literature on candle burning

(my god, I'm such a geek that I know about this) then I would say

this is a decent start at an explanation of the physics of ear

candling:



"Under Earth's gravity, buoyant convection develops when hot, 

less-dense combustion products rise. The resulting flow draws 

oxygen into the flame and carries the combustion products (carbon 

dioxide and water vapor) away from the flame. This flow is the 

dominant transport mechanism in the flame."



I retrieved this paragraph from an article titled "Burning Candles

in the Microgravity of Space" (available online at

http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT1996/6000/6726f.htm) which was written by David

T. Frate and Daniel L. Dietrich Lewis (Contact Info: David T. Frate, (216)

433-8329, david.frate@lerc.nasa.gov).



Gaylin



"I'm not a doctor; I just like to play Doctor." - me

"Any tool can be the right tool." - Red Green





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Subject: Re: Ear candle; does it really do anything?

From: Blue Wolf <bluewolfGuardian@wizard.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:04:17 GMT

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On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:35:30 -0500, Gaylin Walli

<g.walli@infoengine.com> wrote:





}If I had to take a guess from the literature on candle burning

}(my god, I'm such a geek that I know about this) then I would say

}this is a decent start at an explanation of the physics of ear

}candling:

}

}"Under Earth's gravity, buoyant convection develops when hot, 

}less-dense combustion products rise. The resulting flow draws 

}oxygen into the flame and carries the combustion products (carbon 

}dioxide and water vapor) away from the flame. This flow is the 

}dominant transport mechanism in the flame."

}

}I retrieved this paragraph from an article titled "Burning Candles

}in the Microgravity of Space" (available online at

}http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/RT1996/6000/6726f.htm) which was written

by David

}T. Frate and Daniel L. Dietrich Lewis (Contact Info: David T. Frate,

(216)

}433-8329, david.frate@lerc.nasa.gov).

}

}Gaylin

}

}"I'm not a doctor; I just like to play Doctor." - me

}"Any tool can be the right tool." - Red Green



Thanks Gaylin! And you're NOT a geek for knowing that.  

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Subject: is flax powder safe??

From: jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell)

Date: 1 Nov 1997 02:01:46 GMT

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I would like to take flax powder instead of flax oil.  Is it safe??  

how much powder equals 1 tablespoon of oil??  thanks much in advance.







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To: jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net>

Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: is flax powder safe??

From: Gordon Held <gheld@fix.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:03:27 -0800

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I should think the question really should be, "How much oil equals one tablespoon of

powder."



What you really want to get into your system is the flax, not the oil.



Gordon Held



jhowell wrote:



> I would like to take flax powder instead of flax oil.  Is it safe??

> how much powder equals 1 tablespoon of oil??  thanks much in advance.











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Subject: Re: is flax powder safe??

From: baran@glink.net.hkNOSPAM (Paul Baran)

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 23:29:24 GMT

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One level tbsp of ground flax seed (15 cc) contains about 2200-2500 mg

of oil.



Paul Baran

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Subject: Jacaranda - Really??

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 1 Nov 1997 02:21:00 GMT

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X-No-Archive: yes



Just wondering how ignorant this fellow is, given the number of newsgroups

 you'll be cross-posted to if you answer him/her on the original Jacaranda

 thread.  That's the way they get your address to spam you.  (And that's why I

 started a new thread, re-quoting his entire thread, from which you won't be

 cross-posted.)



BTW - it's not that hard to know what to do with Jacaranda flowers.  You piqued

 my curiosity because anyone who has lived in the Southern Cone wouldn't be

 asking the question to begin with.



>Subject: Re: Jacaranda Flowers

>From: SAMMI BONHAM <s-sammi@silas.unsw.edu.au>

>Newsgroups:

 >alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.pagan.

magick,alt>.religion.wicca,alt.traditional.witchcraft,alt.witchcraft,misc.

health.alternative

>Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:33:31 -0800

>Organization: SILAS, UNSW

>Lines: 25

>Message-ID: <345B921B.5753@silas.unsw.edu.au>



@mpx.com.au wrote:

> 

> I live in Australia and everything is flowering and beautiful here at

> the moment.

> My neighbours have a jacaranda tree that overhangs our yard and so our

> yard is purple with flowers at the moment. Anyone know what the

> flowers might be used for? I am new to this stuff so please excuse my

> ignorance.

> Orchid



MM,

I'm from Australia too and I know how gorgeous Jacaranda's are!!!! You

could have used them to celebrate Beltane last night (Oct 31st). The God

and Goddess would have loved to see you dancing among their most

beautiful of spring blossoms!

You can use whatever flowers you like, at whatever time you like....It

makes no difference.

If you have an altar, do what I like to do, and place them on your altar

every couple of days as a gift to the God and Goddess.

By the way, you are not ignorant. You are asking a very imporatant

question. Please, never feel ignorant about the ins and outs of wicca.

I'm pretty new at this too and we all have to start somewhere!!!

@}--^-----

Love and Light and Fairies Flight,

Sam.









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Subject: Re: prostate cancer

From: warhol@netcom.com (Scott Devitt)

Date: 1 Nov 1997 02:46:13 GMT

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Where can I find more information about how to extract this herb into tinture?

I find it called willow bark and seeds for sale. One place it seemed to be

a small plant the other perhaps a tree. Can you e-mail me more information

at bobratliff@usa.net? Thanks for the information. I have seen other herbs,

for prostate problems, but this is my first encounter with this one.



Regards, Bob Ratliff











In article <antispam-3110972210000001@slgos1p61.ozemail.com.au>, antispam@ozemail.com.au says...

>

In article <19971030235401.SAA06132@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

scorchrn@aol.com (ScorchRN) wrote:



>There's a chinese or japanese herb out there that they have found very good

 uses with prostate cancer.  I found it once & it starts with an E & now I

can't find it.  Could someone please send me the name & any information that

 you may have concerning this.  Thank you so much.



                  Lorraine



e-mail: ScorchRN@aol.com

Hi Lorraine...

Could it be 'epilobium parviflorum' ?  I hope so. From my information "

there is not a male over 50 that should not be having a cup of epilobium

tea  as a guard against prostate cancer..."  I'm even growing my own, now.

(See previous posts) A mate had a 'radical prostate surgery' recently and

this put 'the frights' up the rest of us...... So.. it's pepitas, saw

palmetto and epilobium tea from now on !!! :)



....-Ray



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Subject: am i crazy

From: Danielle <dholke@astral.magic.ca>

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:54:35 -0800

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i have a bizarre experience to relay:



	ever since i've started taking vitamins and herbal remedies i've been

very sensitive to detergents and fabric softeners. it seems that when i

wear clean clothes, i smell a strange odour. now i've definitely

pinpointed it to detergents. do you think i could be more sensitive to

toxins or sulphates now that i'm in a "healthier" state? it's weird one,

i know. comments or similar experiences welcome.





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Subject: Re: am i crazy

From: P h i l <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:02:50 -0700

--------

Danielle wrote:

> 

> i have a bizarre experience to relay:

> 

>         ever since i've started taking vitamins and herbal remedies i've been

> very sensitive to detergents and fabric softeners. it seems that when i

> wear clean clothes, i smell a strange odour. now i've definitely

> pinpointed it to detergents. do you think i could be more sensitive to

> toxins or sulphates now that i'm in a "healthier" state? it's weird one,

> i know. comments or similar experiences welcome.



Could be... I can only use Cheer Free detergent.. the others irritate my

allergies....

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To: Danielle <dholke@astral.magic.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: am i crazy

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:51:18 -0400

--------

Not so weird.  Your nerve endings are more sensitive, your pores are more tight,

your capilaries are open and ALL your senses are more aware.  (and then again,

you might be a universal reactor!).

Blessed be.



Danielle wrote:



> i have a bizarre experience to relay:

>

>         ever since i've started taking vitamins and herbal remedies i've been

> very sensitive to detergents and fabric softeners. it seems that when i

> wear clean clothes, i smell a strange odour. now i've definitely

> pinpointed it to detergents. do you think i could be more sensitive to

> toxins or sulphates now that i'm in a "healthier" state? it's weird one,

> i know. comments or similar experiences welcome.







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Subject: Re: am i crazy

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 13:55:15 GMT

--------

Danielle <dholke@astral.magic.ca> wrote:



>i have a bizarre experience to relay:



>	ever since i've started taking vitamins and herbal remedies i've been

>very sensitive to detergents and fabric softeners. it seems that when i

>wear clean clothes, i smell a strange odour. now i've definitely

>pinpointed it to detergents. do you think i could be more sensitive to

>toxins or sulphates now that i'm in a "healthier" state? it's weird one,

>i know. comments or similar experiences welcome.



Not so strange Danielle.



As you become aware of the chemical environment about you, you will

naturally begin objecting to the presence of foreign substances.

Softeners are particulary bad. We usually dry clothes by the fire and

they can be quite stiff as a result. One winter day my wife washed a

load of clothes with a fabric softener (a free sample). The smell of

softener practically drove us from the house. When one is not used to

artificial scents then they are extremely noticable to the point of

distraction.



I have developed a peculiar habit involving my coffee cup. It seems

that I can smell and taste the detergent that was used to clean the

cup, even days afterwards. The fragrance added to the dish detergent

has some staying power. No amount of rinsing seems to help. Now I wash

my cup only with water.

___

jmt



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To: Danielle <dholke@astral.magic.ca>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: am i crazy

From: "V.R. Peterson" <vmp@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:56:47 -0800

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Danielle wrote:

> 

> i have a bizarre experience to relay:

> 

>         ever since i've started taking vitamins and herbal remedies 

> i've been very sensitive to detergents and fabric softeners. it seems 

> that when i wear clean clothes, i smell a strange odour. now i've 

> definitely pinpointed it to detergents. do you think i could be more 

> sensitive to toxins or sulphates now that i'm in a "healthier" 

> state? it's weird one, i know. comments or similar experiences welcome.



I had the same experience (only it was food, not laundry preps).  What

happens is, now that you're not taking as many toxins in, your body

immediately reacts to the things you probably you probably always had a

sensitivity to, but didn't realize it.  When that happened to me, I

decided to stop eating healthy, because when I ate healthy I couldn't

tolerate "unhealthy" foods.  Bad idea!  Apparently, the reactions to the

unhealthy foods I was eating again were suppressed.  Two years later, I

got major reactions to everything I was eating (I won't go into what the

reactions were -- everybody's reactions are different anyway).  Now I've

finally got most of those toxins out of my body, and I am a lot

healthier.  Every once in a while, my body does a "cleanse" where it

tries to get rid of toxins that I've still got in my body, and it

manifests itself by making me sick.



Another possibility -- you could besensitive to the vitamins and/or

herbal remedies that you're taking.  I've found that it's easier to

cleanse my body by eating a "toxin-free" diet than cleansing the toxins

with remedies (herbal *or* otherwise).  Some good web page to visit are:

Natural Hygiene -- http://www2.anhs.org/anhs/

Veg*an Pages --http://www.pitt.edu/~hslst7/home.html

Vegetarian Pages -- http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/veg/

If you're interested in "going veg," I can also send the URLs and/or

e-mail lists that have been helpful to me.



And in answer to your question -- No, you are not crazy. ;)

-- 

****************

V.R. Peterson

vmp@bigfoot.com

****************





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Subject: Re: Fo-Ti question

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 1 Nov 1997 03:42:44 GMT

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Linda Tobalina (tobalina@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

:Fo-Ti is 1 of 5 ingredients in "Dandelion Combination," which is a

:"thousands-year-old remedy" prescribed to me by my acupuncturist, (who

:is also an AMA surgeon), to increase lactation. 

:

:Obviously, I've recently given birth and am breastfeeding, and I can

:personally vouch for the effectiveness of Dandelion Combination for this

:purpose. How important the Fo-Ti is I don't know, but this tea works

:great. Note: breastfeeding is really a drain on the system, and it's

:your body that will suffer, not the quality of the breastmilk, if you're

:not getting enough nutrition or hydration.

:

:



I've taken fo-ti for over a week now.  I've noticed fatigue, so I lowered the

dose and no longer feel tired after taking it.



The mental clarity I mentioned was due to my usually feeling more clear-headed

when my blood pressure has been lowered.  Now that I've lowered the dose, I

feel no effects whatsoever, but am continuing nonetheless.



Many thanx to two people who emailed me about fo-ti.  Very enlightening. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

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To: patricia henderson <warrenh@top.monad.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:46:44 -0400

--------

What kind of arthritis?  We now have more than 200 different kinds.

What is really funny - the medical profession, instead of realizing the

individuality of the patient, continues to discover more types of

arthritis!  A little knowledge is a little knowledge.

Therefore herbalist and wholistic healers in general do not heal the

disease.  They heal the person who is afflicted.  Having said that there

is lots of evidence that arthritis is multi-causal - which means you

have to dig for the causes in the particular person who suffers from

it.  Allergies, hormonal imbalances, calcium deficiencies, enzyme

deficiencies - and there are many more - certainly not an herbal

deficiency.  That doesn't mean herbs can't steer the biochemical

machinery in a groove that would help it - in fact there is evidence

that it (they) can.  But I would start with foods: cabbage, papaya,

parsley, pineapple, rhubarb, and asparagus, watercrest, cilantro etc.

Some people may have to stay away from the nightshades (about 15%) and

others can eat them with relish(!).  I would get off citrus fruit and

high carbohydrates since the arthritic person may not have enough

"exercise" in them to oxidise these and they then might act as

decalcifying agents - worsening the condition.  Otherwise the diet

should be restricted to FRESH fruits and vegetables - the most desirable

being bananas and (are you sitting down?) raw potato juice watered down

(at first!  Arthritis, in the old days, used to be called "the cooked

food" disease.)  The best cereal is rice.  Yoghurt (preferably made from

unpasteurized/homogenized sources) is excellent - particularly where

constipation (less than 2 X or 18" daily!) is a problem.  I would

consider finding a classical homeopath and taking a remedy.  Or finding

a good acupuncturist, color therapist, massage therapist even, etc.

Malabsorption should be ruled out as it is a common problem among those

with this condition.  Copper salicytate (or just the molecular complex

of vit C with the copper-carrying enzyme tyrosinae - you guessed it -

found in raw potato juice!)) has been found to be an effective

anti-inflammatory agent and may even be more potent than aspirin.

Sulphur is an old remedy and evidence is mounting that the Omega 3 oils

keep the calcium in the ionic phase.  A vegetarian diet may be

advantageous depending on your background.  (if you're an eskimo -

forget it!).  Otherwise, Vit A, C, E and K.  Minerals: boron, (already

mentioned copper-as in copper "baths"?), Iron (from a plant - not a

rusty nail packaged in a capsule), manganese (to sustain the pituitary

gland), selenium and zinc (still somewhat controversial).

Try catechin (a natural flavonoid), chondroitan sulfate

(mucopolysacchride), L-histidine, DL phenylalanine, quercitin, SOD,

tryptophan (if you can find it!) and saponin extract from the Yucca

plant.   That's all for now.   Or you'll get malabsorption.

Now - - aren't you glad you asked?

Dr. AVB





patricia henderson wrote:



> Does any one know of herbs that will help arthritis?







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To: GReneker <greneker@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lupus

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:04:40 -0400

--------

This is a systemic erythmatosis, a vasular disease affecting the connective

tissue.  Collagen and blood vessels are disrupted and can be seen in a skin

rash, joint pains, thining hair, pleurisy and frequent other infections.  The

best remedy that I have found for Lupus is the old-fashioned one: cottage

cheese BLENDED at high speeds (not hand mixed) with (non-rancid, non-toxic)

Cod Liver Oil and increasingly higher doses of cayenne.  Add a few TBSP/s red

beet crystals  (methol donors) and a few TBSP/s of Black-strap Molasses

(wultzen factor) and eat at least once if not twice or even thrice daily -

depending on the age, weight, sex and severity of the condition.  Taheebo tea

helps.  Do not use anything with alfalfa in it as it tends to break down into

hydrozine.  Drugs (legal ones) are often implicated here and occasionally,

abuse in childhood or teenage years.  Find a good practitioner who has

experience with this condition.  Please do not go at it alone - the wolf is

keen and sharp.

Dr. AVB



GReneker wrote:



> I have a friend with lupus and we need to find a natural remedy for this

>  affliction.  Have heard of hops and goldenseal , can anyone help with any

>  others?

> (Gary Lonewolf)







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Subject: Re: Lupus

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:03:36 GMT

--------

On 31 Oct 1997 02:32:11 GMT, greneker@aol.com (GReneker) wrote:



>I have a friend with lupus and we need to find a natural remedy for this

> affliction.  Have heard of hops and goldenseal , can anyone help with any

> others?

>(Gary Lonewolf)



Lupus is one of the symptoms of radiation poisoning. Does your friend

live in one of the areas that were hit hard by the A-bomb testing?

http://rex.nci.nih.gov/massmedia/pressreleases/radioactivefallout.html





Paul





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lupus

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:53:23 GMT

--------

In article <19971031023201.VAA21094@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

greneker@aol.com (GReneker) writes:



>I have a friend with lupus and we need to find a natural remedy for this

> affliction.  Have heard of hops and goldenseal , can anyone help with any

> others?



There was one study done with licorice extract that appeared in Herbalgram

about a year ago. You might also look for Brown's book, Arthritis

Breakthrough, which deals with low-level treatment of antibiotics for

rheumatoid arthritis -- according to some information that I've gotten from

the foundation which supports this work, some lupus cases have also

responded to this treatment.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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To: AndroAxe <androaxe@aol.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for nausea & headache?

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:12:34 -0400

--------

Is this morning sickness or what???

Find out what the cause is BEFORE you start treating it.  There are at least 38

reasons for headaches - less if you're a man and twice that for naussea (more if

you're a woman who hates men)!

HAVING SAID THAT: try a combination of broccoli, garlic and turmeric - juice the

broccoli, grate the garlic, add the turmeric rhizome (or its extract) and blend.

Add water to taste...;-Q      If you can get this mixture passed your nose -

you'll forget all about your nausea and your headache will have moved south -

guaranteed!

Dr. AVB



AndroAxe wrote:



>      Are there any herbs, teas, or tinctures recommended for taking the edge

>  off nausea and headache? I'm not sure if I'm dealing with a flu, or what, but

>  it's lasted for several days.

>

>      Sincerely,

>      Auden

>      (Please reply to the newsgroup)

>

> **All email responses that are not from my friends will bounce. This is meant

>  to offend spammers; not you. Please don't take it personally.**







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Subject: Re: Herbs for nausea & headache?

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:24:03 -0800

--------

Here is a product that I use.





VMM

- Immune System Nutrient

VMM has health-and immunity-supplementing properties that are especially

welcome when feeling ill or run-down. Its wholesome natural ingredients

nourish important systems within your body, and may help you maintain an

appropriate internal balance. This balance in turn might better reinforce

and nourish your body's ability to resist illness and counter negative

environmental influences.

***

Ingredients: Echinacea, Thyme Leaf, Hyssop, Hawthorn Berries, Irish Moss,

Mullein Leaves, Ginseng, Rosemary Leaves





Bob

http://www.ultranet.ca/neways



AndroAxe wrote in message <19971031051001.AAA07161@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

:

:     Are there any herbs, teas, or tinctures recommended for taking the

edge

: off nausea and headache? I'm not sure if I'm dealing with a flu, or what,

but

: it's lasted for several days.

:

:     Sincerely,

:     Auden

:     (Please reply to the newsgroup)

:

:

:

:

:**All email responses that are not from my friends will bounce. This is

meant

: to offend spammers; not you. Please don't take it personally.**

:









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To: @mpx.com.au

Newsgroups: alt.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.aromatherapy,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.pagan.magick,alt.religion.wicca,alt.traditional.witchcraft,alt.witchcraft,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: Jacaranda Flowers

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:28:11 -0400

--------

Hello:

This angiosperm Bignoniaceae (Jacaranda Filicifolia ) is popular in both

Brazil and Panama and the "active" ingredient called Lapachol is an

insect and parasite deterrent.  I don't think the flowers are used for

anything but good looks and fertilization but I could be wrong -  I have

been at times.  Recently been touted as an anti-cancer agent.  Blessed

be.

@mpx.com.au wrote:



>  I live in Australia and everything is flowering and beautiful here at

> the moment.My neighbours have a jacaranda tree that overhangs our yard

> and so our yard is purple with flowers at the moment. Anyone know what

> the flowers might be used for? I am new to this stuff so please excuse

> my ignorance.Orchid







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Subject: Re: Jacaranda Flowers

From: SAMMI BONHAM <s-sammi@silas.unsw.edu.au>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:33:31 -0800

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@mpx.com.au wrote:

> 

> I live in Australia and everything is flowering and beautiful here at

> the moment.

> My neighbours have a jacaranda tree that overhangs our yard and so our

> yard is purple with flowers at the moment. Anyone know what the

> flowers might be used for? I am new to this stuff so please excuse my

> ignorance.

> Orchid



MM,

I'm from Australia too and I know how gorgeous Jacaranda's are!!!! You

could have used them to celebrate Beltane last night (Oct 31st). The God

and Goddess would have loved to see you dancing among their most

beautiful of spring blossoms!

You can use whatever flowers you like, at whatever time you like....It

makes no difference.

If you have an altar, do what I like to do, and place them on your altar

every couple of days as a gift to the God and Goddess.

By the way, you are not ignorant. You are asking a very imporatant

question. Please, never feel ignorant about the ins and outs of wicca.

I'm pretty new at this too and we all have to start somewhere!!!

@}--^-----

Love and Light and Fairies Flight,

Sam.





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To: bettyt@dave-world.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: information on herbs

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:31:17 -0400

--------

I have a few - but probably not as many as some.  Try mine.  Go to

alternative links - click on herbs.  Easy.

Blessed be.



Betty Terry wrote:



> does anyone know of a website that provides info on herbs, their uses,

> dosage, side effects etc or any books that contain this data.  please

> answer to address below as well as group.  thanks bettyt

> --

>

>  BETTY L. TERRY - ASTROLOGER, PSYCHIC, CHANNEL, TAROT READER

>  email address: bettyt@dave-world.net

>  homepage:  http://farmwagon.com/psychic/index.html>

>  home page at: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~bettyt







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Subject: Re: information on herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:53:22 GMT

--------

>does anyone know of a website that provides info on herbs, their uses,

>dosage, side effects etc or any books that contain this data.  please

>answer to address below as well as group.  thanks bettyt



Our web site maintains links to many  of the bigger herbal web sites:

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/other.htm (this allows you to bypass the

book catalogs and go direct to the links)



There are many, many books with dosages, side effects, etc.  For primarily

European/American herbs, try:

Healing Power of Herbs by Michael Murray

Herbal Prescription for Better Health by Don Brown

The Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody

Herbal Remedies for Women by Amanda McQuade Crawford



Most of these have pretty extensive footnotes and/or are written by

practitioners with a broad background of clinical experience.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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To: bettyt@dave-world.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: sleep aids

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 00:44:39 -0400

--------

NO! ofcourse not.  Sleep aids are dangerous  -  & depending on what

causes the insomnia, how old you are, how much you weigh, what you have

tried before, whether or not you're suicidal, for whom you want them,

etc., etc. no one in his right mind would give this information to you.

OK - here it is.  Is your mind racing?  That's good.  It means you have

one.  There are usually three causes for insomnia (more of you count all

your children) - adrenal insufficiency, liver insufficiency and

vasomotor instability.  Emotionally: fear.  Not trusting the process of

life.   Spiritually: not having come to grips with the major questions

in life......

Tryptophan has been decleared illegal because of some government fiasco

that I can't go into here.  But you can try a nice warm bath with some

epsom salts and baking soda, candle-light, incense and some soft,

anti-frantic music - 30 minutes before you go to sleep.  Then stuff your

pillow with lots of dried hops and peppermint leaves and drink a nice,

hot cup of strong camomille tea (add some passion flower or valerian if

you are not allergic to it) and tell yourself - " I will not go to sleep

no matter how many sheep I count....I will not go..."   Failing that -

read a book on trigenometry.

Blessed be.



Betty Terry wrote:



> can anyone recommend sleep aids, please include brand dosage results

> etc.  please respond to address below as well as news group thanks!

> --

>

>  BETTY L. TERRY - ASTROLOGER, PSYCHIC, CHANNEL, TAROT READER

>  email address: bettyt@dave-world.net

>  homepage:  http://farmwagon.com/psychic/index.html>

>  home page at: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~bettyt







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sinus

From: "lrussell" <lrussell@inet-direct.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1997 12:26:56 GMT

--------

wwhat is good for colds, flus sinus problems

my nose is running i'm sneezing my throat is sore and i feel awful,  my

chest is tight

help





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: sinus

From: hydromed@westworld.com

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:32:52 -0600

--------

Things that help the nasal cilia do their job include

hot compresses to the sinus area, hot tea, hot chicken

soup, saline nasal spray. If the mucus is thick,

chewable papaya enzyme tablets dissolved in the mouth

between cheek and gums is good to thin the mucus.

Pulsatile irrigation with saline helps the cilia too.

Murray Grossan, M.D.

http://www.ent-consult.com



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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ulcerative Colitis

From: gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 97 15:38:55 GMT

--------

I am interested in RATIONAL, if not validated, alternative/complimentary 

therapies for treating ulcerative colitis.  Your own anecdotal stories are 

fine, but I do not want to hear about super blue-green algae, or any 

commercial solicitations.  We are also amenable to non-conventional 

pharmacological treatments if supported with reasonable evidence.  BTW, the 

folks who need help have relatively mild disease, never hospitalized, but have 

required 5-ASA and steroids at times.    



The goal of this post is to understand what has helped others in a very broad 

sense.  Thanks.





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Ulcerative Colitis

From: roy@nfs-jove.acs.unt.edu (Roy deCarvalho)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 20:10:29 GMT

--------

I suffered of UC for eight painful years. Finally the doc wanted to have

surgery (removal of colon). Sought alternatives and got into the Specific

Carbohydrate Diet. I was ok within 2 months and healed within two years. I am

in perfect health today, two and a half years later. Many more have saved

their colons by following this diet. It cost nothing and you don't have to

send money to nobody. You can buy the book for under $20 or go to the library

and ask for it. More information about the diet and the book at



http://www.inform.dk.djembe/scd/default.html

http://www.fwi.com.cmg/



Good luck









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Subject: Re: Ulcerative Colitis

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 04:03:27 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 Nov 97 15:38:55 GMT, gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross) wrote:



>I am interested in RATIONAL, if not validated, alternative/complimentary 

>therapies for treating ulcerative colitis. 



Actually there are three diets that address this, all very similar. One

book has been out of print for two decades and another is currently

available only in German. That leaves this choice:



Elaine Gottschall has written a book entitled Breaking the Vicious Cycle,

Intestinal Health through Diet. She says it is a diet for Crohn's disease,

ulcerative colitis, diverticulitis, celiac disease, cystic fibrosis, and

chronic diarrhea. It is published by the Kirkton Press in Kirkton, Ontario,

Canada, 1994, ISBN 0-9692768-1-8. The telephone number is 519-229-6795. The

fax is 519-229-6969.



Also: Kirkton Press, 942 Military St., Suite A, Port Huron, MI 48060;

800/332-3663.



It has been discussed in the alt.support.crohns-colitis newsgroup with 75%

reporting success and 25% not. The author says that one month is long

enough to tell if the diet is helping, but it then takes longer to "cure".



For sites on the book see: http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/index.shtml#gott



There is a mailing list for the various IBD diets, of which there are

several, but it mostly covers the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (or Gottschall

Diet). To subscribe send in a message body SUB SCD yourfirstname

yourlastname to LISTSERV@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU



The basics of the diet are (snipped from crohns-colitis newsgroup posts):



From: cookie@comco.com (Michelle Gray)



Basically, you only eat monosaccharides which means simple sugars, so that

everything is digested with no leftovers, like fiber. These leftovers are

believed to feed to bacterium and "flora" in your intestines which then can

get out of control (the bad ones) and make further digestion even harder.

Their overabundance causes them to produce extra mucus which covers up the

microvilli which break down complex sugars. So more is undigested, they eat

more, they grow more, a "vicious cycle." My GI said he thinks the theory

has some validity, but no controlled studies have been done, so no proof,

and not everyone who you would think would benefit does. Hence, the

experimental side of it.



What you can eat:

fruit and vegetables, cooked only at first until you can tolerate more;

nuts when you can tolerate them;

some beans (lentils and white navy) when you can tolerate them;

meat;

milk products without lactose, like hard aged cheeses (cheddar, colby,

swiss); homemade yogurt (real easy and good!), a few others;

honey.



No-Nos:

refined sugars;

wheat and other flours -- NONE at all;

most beans;

potatoes;

lactose milk products;

chocolate (of course).



------------------------------------------------------------------------



From: hkrafman@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (Heidi Rafman)



The Specific Carbohydrate diet:

- the main idea is to only have simple sugars in the body that can easily 

be broken down



Allowed:

- fruits, vegetables, honey, meats, most legumes and beans and nuts

- some cheeses, special homemade yoghurt

Not Allowed:

- all grains: wheat, corn, rice, etc.. (ie no bread, pasta, etc of any type



except when made by recipes in the book)

- sugar (no more sweets!)

- most dairy products, including milk

- no processed cheeses or processed meats



It seems like basically everything that is processed or already prepared is



disallowed - I think everything you eat will either have to be natural or

home-made.



---------------------------------------------------------------------



From: jpesola@fas.harvard.edu (Jean Marie Pesola)



The basic rules of the Gottschall diet are to avoid all disaccharides

and polysaccharides (most sugars and starches).  The theory (explained

in the book) is that these long-chain molecules cannot be broken down

in our guts into their smallest units - monosaccharides - which are

absorbed into the blood.  If these are not broken down by our bodies,

bacteria in the gut can eat them and grow out of control.  So, if we

only each monosaccharides, we can absorb them without needing to break

them down and the bacteria starve.

Among the things to avoid are: bread, cereals, pasta, and anything

else made with flour; rice, potatoes, anything with added sugar or

starch (most canned/processed foods); most dairy products (lactose is

a disaccharide).  Your diet is mostly fresh/frozen meat, fish,

vegetables, and fruit.  You can also eat nuts, eggs, and some cheeses.

The book includes recipes such as breads, cakes, and cookies made with

nut flour.

Overall, it is NOT an unhealthy diet.  However, it would be difficult

for vegetarians because tofu and most soy-based products cannot be

eaten, so protein can be harder to come by.  I've been on it for over

a year and am symptom free as long as I don't cheat.  It doesn't work

for everyone, but I cannot think of any reason not to give it a shot.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me.



------------------------------------------------------------------



From: "John A. Hill" <jahill@bigpond.com>



SPECIFIC CARBOHYDRATE DIET

For those who do not know of this diet, basically it means eating only

monosaccharides, not di- or polysaccharides, ie no sugar, lactose, grains,

cereals, pasta, bread, potatoes to name but a few restrictions.  The theory

as I understand it, is that microbes in the gut feed on carbohydrates. 

Only monosaccharides are allowed to pass directly through the lining of the

gut.  Di- and polysaccharides have to first be broken down into

monosaccharides.  Whilst this is happening the microbes are gorging

themselves and multiplying, and the gut is producing excess mucous to

protect itself.  By eating only monosaccharides the microbes are relieved

of their food and gradually die.  



------------------------------------------------------------------





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scholarly herbal/supplement references needed

From: gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 97 15:47:13 GMT

--------

Hi, I am interested in obtaining the German Komission E herbal monographs, in 

English.  Does anyone know if and where these can be obtained?



Similarly, I am looking for other good SCHOLARLY herbal and 

nutritional supplement references, especially those which list side effects, 

drug/herb interactions, mechanisms of action, etc.   Also interested in well 

grounded/documented alternative treatment regimens.



I know of lots of books in general circulation which give references, such as 

those by Murray and Mowrey, and Tyler's Honest Herbal, but I am looking for 

something more.



If you, too agree that such works are missing, is this something you would be 

interested in?





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scholarly herbal/supplement references needed

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 17:54:27 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 Nov 97 15:47:13 GMT, gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Hi, I am interested in obtaining the German Komission E herbal monographs, in 

>English.  Does anyone know if and where these can be obtained?



Ask at the Herb Research Foundation, on the web at http://www.herbs.org 



>Similarly, I am looking for other good SCHOLARLY herbal and 

>nutritional supplement references, especially those which list side effects, 

>drug/herb interactions, mechanisms of action, etc.   Also interested in well 

>grounded/documented alternative treatment regimens.



There are journals for the serious herbalists. There are also journals

for the serious pharmacognosists. You need to decide which you want.



>I know of lots of books in general circulation which give references, such as 

>those by Murray and Mowrey, and Tyler's Honest Herbal, but I am looking for 

>something more.



I guess every serious herbalist agrees that there's something missing in

above 'references'.



Try the good books list in the medicinal herbfaq, and get a good basic

herbal for beginners; that'll give you a nice solid starting point,

provided of course that you decide you want to go the herbalist route,

not the pharmacognosist route.



Have fun,

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: allergies

From: "lrussell" <lrussell@inet-direct.com>

Date: 1 Nov 1997 21:33:36 GMT

--------

what can i do for allegeris it starts out with sneezing and runny nose,

then its a sore throat, then i end up with bronchitis.,

This last time i lost 3 days of work.



I can take otc drugs but they make me too sleepy to function.

any help





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: allergies

From: "Eva Jung" <jung@ezaccess.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:50:33 -0500

--------

Try Ma Huang Tincture and follow the dosage on the bottle. Be aware that Ma

Huang/Ephedra sinensis is a powerful upper and misuse can lead to severe

side effects including heart palpitations and death. I have been using it

(correctly) for 7 years with no problems and complete relief. Do not use if

you are hypertensive pregnant or nursing or have a history of heart

problems.

Feel free to contact me with any questions.



lrussell wrote in message <01bce70e$167a3f40$b76f80d0@default>...

>what can i do for allegeris it starts out with sneezing and runny nose,

>then its a sore throat, then i end up with bronchitis.,

>This last time i lost 3 days of work.

>

>I can take otc drugs but they make me too sleepy to function.

>any help









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thyroid

From: Coyote <lwiley@coil.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 19:17:34 -0500

--------

Hi All :

Rather than take a thyroid supplement..... I was wondering of any herbs

or teas that might stimulate the function of the thyroid gland.

Please advise.

				TIA . Kathi





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To: lwiley@coil.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Thyroid

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:49:07 -0400

--------

Hello:  There are several products that stimulate the thyroid but you did

not ask for stimulation so I don't really know: I'll assume it however,

since it is the more common problem over a fast thyroid.  First  -  be sure

it is your thyroid that is asking for help.  It often happens that the

thyroid gets the blame thru the blood testing when in reality it is the

slow pituitary that influences the thyroid and makes it toxic.  The

Japanese found a blood-filtering fraction of liver they call Yakriton.  It

is sold under many different names but they all do the same thing: detox

the thyroid by removing excess thyroxin from the circulation.  It is also a

natural anti-histamine for people suffering from asthma and other

allergies.  If hypertention is due to a congested liver, it will help here

also.  This fraction is only utilized in an acid environment so I suggest

(since most people with thyroid problems have malabsorption syndrome as

well) that you take it with enzymes and even hydrochloric acid.  In order

to find it (it is seldom seen in health food stores) you may have to let

your fingers do the walking!  Good luck...

Dr. AVB



Coyote wrote:



> Hi All :

> Rather than take a thyroid supplement..... I was wondering of any herbs

> or teas that might stimulate the function of the thyroid gland.

> Please advise.

>                                 TIA . Kathi







--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A. Van Beveren, Ph.D., CNC 609-924-7337   |Au-d.l.r.u?

Nutritional Biochemist and Physiologist   |

drv@idt.net ------- http://idt.net/~drv   |

========================================================









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort Dosage

From: cogadh@concentric.net (Paul)

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 00:58:43 GMT

--------

	the articles I  have read lately all mention 300 mg of .3% St. John's

Wort. 



Paul





"James F. McKeon" <jmac@m3.net> wrote:



>What is the recommended dosage level of St. John's Wort for men (200 lbs) or

>women (120lbs).

>Anyone have solid information here.  I've gotten conflicting advice.



>Thanks.



>JM













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Fennugreek & Mother's Milk Tea

From: tjt123@aol.com (Tjt123)

Date: 2 Nov 1997 01:10:56 GMT

--------

I'm a nursing mother and read somewhere that fennugreek and mother's milk tea

 would stimulate milk production.  Any truth to this and if so, why?  Info

 appreciated. 

tjt124





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Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: are frequent enemas harmful??

From: jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell)

Date: 2 Nov 1997 01:46:17 GMT

--------

Hopefully this is going to the right newsgroup.  can somebody please 

tell me if frequent enemas are harmful?  I must have one every other 

day.  I have tried everything else (bulk products such as pysllium etc 

and lots of fruits,veggies etc)  I have read articles that one can 

become dependant on them if done too often.  any enema experts out there 

and what should be added to them to make them more beneficial (coffee?)

thanks much in advance .  email jhowell1@flash.net







==========

To: jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net>

Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: are frequent enemas harmful??

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:07:35 -0400

--------

Enemas, in whatever form, are as habit-forming as bowel movements.  BM's can

be trained over time.  Most people, once they find they can only go once per

day, don't bother to sit on the "Philadelphia Throne" and relax into just

one per day.  One BM per day is one criteria for cancer.  Very few people I

see in my practise who come to me with cancer have gone more than once per

day - some in over 40 years!

Unfortunately this is considered normal by most "experts".  I had the

priviledge of spending a lot of time outside the US with many different

native tribes (Africa, India and Central America - 6 years total) and found

that none of these people had less than 18" per day or less than 3 LARGE

BM's daily.  Most had never even heard of appendicitis, hemorrhoids,

colitis, diverticulitis, hernias, varicose veins, colon cancer deep vein

thrombosis or diabetes.  These are all the disease of a constipated

society.  We are full of shit - as they would say.  These diseases are

unknown in hunter-gatherer societies and unknown in undomisticated animals.

They were also almost unheard of in Japan until after WW2.  So constipation

is a Western, a civilized, condition.  It's hard to drink your tea with a

pinkie up in the air while sitting on the toilet with your pants down.  When

the English occupied India - they would suffer from these diseases but never

the Indians!   But ofcourse, we have very clever operations for preventable

diseases.  What do all these cultures have in common?  They get more protein

from vegetables.  Animal flesh has no fiber.  Not a single thread.  They eat

whole grains, potatoes, cabbage, parsnips and turnips - never pasta, never

white flour, never ass-hole putty.  Start thinking like a cave person - I

want to be politically correct - and eat like one, too.  Anything that is

processed or refined or has seen the inside of a factory or has been laid

out on an assembly line - FORGET IT.   No more enemas.

To get to that point a bit more quickly use as much Vitamin C as it takes to

get diarrhea and then cut back a little.  Go slowly and take a bit more

everyday and you'll get the idea.  Before bedtime take Magnesium Citrate and

do the same thing.  One more every night until the peristalsis starts up

again.  In the meantime change your eating habits and learn to squat like an

aborigine!

Good luck and good health..

Blessed be.

Dr. AVB



jhowell wrote:



> Hopefully this is going to the right newsgroup.  can somebody please

> tell me if frequent enemas are harmful?  I must have one every other

> day.  I have tried everything else (bulk products such as pysllium etc

> and lots of fruits,veggies etc)  I have read articles that one can

> become dependant on them if done too often.  any enema experts out there

> and what should be added to them to make them more beneficial (coffee?)

> thanks much in advance .  email jhowell1@flash.net







--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A. Van Beveren, Ph.D., CNC 609-924-7337   |Au-d.l.r.u?

Nutritional Biochemist and Physiologist   |

drv@idt.net ------- http://idt.net/~drv   |

========================================================









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Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: are frequent enemas harmful??

From: chet@chetday.com (Chet Day)

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 14:14:28 GMT

--------

On 2 Nov 1997 01:46:17 GMT, jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell) wrote:



>Hopefully this is going to the right newsgroup.  can somebody please 

>tell me if frequent enemas are harmful?  I must have one every other 

>day.  I have tried everything else (bulk products such as pysllium etc 

>and lots of fruits,veggies etc)  I have read articles that one can 

>become dependant on them if done too often.  any enema experts out there 

>and what should be added to them to make them more beneficial (coffee?)

>thanks much in advance .  email jhowell1@flash.net

>



Some health writers say frequent enemas won't cause problems; others

will claim the opposite.



America is a terribly constipated society and most doctors dont' have

a clue as to what constitutes good elimination. People in

societies/countries that haven't clogged their systems up with white

flour, sugar, meat, salt, and dairy products don't have the

constipation we have. They have large, frequent bowel movements

because they eat natural foods that the human body can process

properly.



Don't look for a long-term answer in products or procedures like

enemas or allopathic "medicines." Look for an answer to your problem

in your diet and lifestyle -- correct the cause of your constipation

and then you will have healed yourself.







Chet Day



Visit my site for interesting natural health info

http://chetday.com

----------------------------------

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Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: are frequent enemas harmful??

From: AC <alanchal@netcomuk.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:36:41 -0800

--------

jhowell wrote:

> 

> Hopefully this is going to the right newsgroup.  can somebody please

> tell me if frequent enemas are harmful?  I must have one every other

> day.  I have tried everything else (bulk products such as pysllium etc

> and lots of fruits,veggies etc)  I have read articles that one can

> become dependant on them if done too often.  any enema experts out there

> and what should be added to them to make them more beneficial (coffee?)

> thanks much in advance .  email jhowell1@flash.net

=======

What worries me about this situation is that there is a NEED for the

question to be asked.



I agree with what Dr. Van Beveren has posted.



He suggests that civilisation, socialisation and the general tenor of

the working day have all brought about degrees of retention. We have the

ability to 'switch off' the directive when it is 'inconvenient'.



I believe that the 'normal' would be something like a bm after each

meal, and probably an additional one before sleeping for the night.



However I can imagine that many people will be horrified at the thought

of their bowels having that much control of thier life. 



Each of us must choose how and for how long we want to survive.

-- 

Alan Challoner MA(Phil.) MChS

libran@netcomuk.co.uk







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dragon's Blood

From: "Justin Veldman" <glowsnipe@earthlink.net>

Date: 2 Nov 1997 03:54:12 GMT

--------

hello all,

      I  was wondering if anyone out there can help me to find where I

could purchase (preferably the seeds) of an herb called "Dragon's Blood" or

perhaps if anyone can tell me its Latin name or another name it is called

so I can search for it by that name. :)



                                                                 thanks

alot





if posible please reply through email, but if can't, thanks reguardless :)





==========

To: Justin Veldman <glowsnipe@earthlink.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dragon's Blood

From: Khem Caigan <frob@bway.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:18:22 -0500

--------





Justin Veldman wrote:



> hello all,

>       I  was wondering if anyone out there can help me to find where I

> could purchase (preferably the seeds) of an herb called "Dragon's Blood" or

> perhaps if anyone can tell me its Latin name or another name it is called

> so I can search for it by that name. :)

>

>                                                                  thanks

> alot

>

> if posible please reply through email, but if can't, thanks reguardless :)



  Justin-

    Dragon's Blood in the 'good dead latin' is Daemomorops Draco. Don't know

where you'd get the seeds. Good luck!







==========

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kava Kava & Dreams

From: T E I X E I R A <teixeira@ccnet.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:05:43 +0000

--------

Does Kava Kava stimulate dreaming?





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To: T E I X E I R A <teixeira@ccnet.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Kava Kava & Dreams

From: Khem Caigan <frob@bway.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 20:12:22 -0500

--------





T E I X E I R A wrote:



> Does Kava Kava stimulate dreaming?



  TEIXEIRA-

    Can't say myself, but the folks over at alt.lucid.dreaming might

know.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: salmon oil

From: ron <rkmiller@citizen.infi.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 09:40:27 -0800

--------

What does salmon oil do for the body.



                   Ron





==========

To: rkmiller@citizen.infi.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: salmon oil

From: Aron Bradley <forty5th@cyberis.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:05:13 -0800

--------

ron wrote:

> 

> What does salmon oil do for the body.

> 

>                    Ron

high in omega III fatty acids...can lower cholesterol

-- 

MZ





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sources for herbs and other food supplements?

From: spegler@primenet.com (Stephen Pegler)

Date: 2 Nov 1997 11:55:01 -0700

--------

Does anyone know of any good direct mail sources for herbs, vitamines,

and other food supplements?  Are they on the Internet?  What have been

your results in dealing with them?  As I am new to this newsgroup, I

would appreciate any information you may have.  I'm looking for a good

low cost source to purchase my food supplements.  Thanks.







==========

To: spegler@primenet.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sources for herbs and other food supplements?

From: Aron Bradley <forty5th@cyberis.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:58:57 -0800

--------

Stephen Pegler wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of any good direct mail sources for herbs, vitamines,

> and other food supplements?  Are they on the Internet?  What have been

> your results in dealing with them?  As I am new to this newsgroup, I

> would appreciate any information you may have.  I'm looking for a good

> low cost source to purchase my food supplements.  Thanks.



-- 

MZ

Check out this site: http://www.wellways.com/ a cornucopia of

alternative health resourses.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Doctor

From: Subway95@webtv.net (S W)

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:54:56 -0500

--------

Hi, my doctor gave me Cephalexin, I found a web page that give info

about all types of drugs. The link for what the doctor gave me is:

"http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/cephalex.htm"

 I'm looking for a natural sub for it.



 I think this is a good place to warn people about  problems caused by

some drugs.

  Click--------> "http://rxlist.com"



(spam filter)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Doctor

From: "Eva Jung" <jung@ezaccess.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:55:58 -0500

--------

Cephalexin is an antibiotic, Echinacea might work or Pau D'Arco



S W wrote in message <63ilqg$sli$1@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>...

Hi, my doctor gave me Cephalexin, I found a web page that give info

about all types of drugs. The link for what the doctor gave me is:

"http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/cephalex.htm"

I'm looking for a natural sub for it.



I think this is a good place to warn people about  problems caused by

some drugs.

  Click--------> "http://rxlist.com"



(spam filter)









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Percentage of Macro nutrients

From: "John Duncan" <John.Duncan@sk.sympatico.ca>

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 15:03:17 -0600

--------

Can anyone tell me what is the best percentage of proteins, carbohydrates

and fats to maintain in a daily diet?



Thanks a heap!



John Duncan









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Aternative Medicine

From: BigJohn5@webtv.net

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 21:29:24 -0500

--------

Just telling all you good people I am doing great since if followed

instructions given to me about Frontier Herbs they do Not advertise

their Toll Free Number is

1-800-786-1388 and they are open Monday to Friday. They offer Bulk Herbs

that you can encapsulate your self by using their Four Piece

Encapsulating Machine. I use number "0" Capsules

what you do is put the sling part Down on all Four Poles(corners) then

take capsules apart and put big part into holes then use the two end

pieces to Raise the Top Layer

 Then put on Throw away gloves on and spread the Powdered herb onto the

pastic pushing with your fingers to get capsule tight, then use the two

end pieces to drop down the filled capsules exposing them then putting a

cap onto each one. There that wasn't to Hard and look at what they

charge Per POUND eg, Damiana $9.50

and while your there look up both Frontier and Aura Cacia's Essential

Oils for 

Aromatherapy. I use Lavender to relax with and Lavender and Peppermint

to go to sleep with just think no Pills to swallow

! Before you order go back to the back pages and see what each Herb and

Essential oil will do for you. There I have

Paid back my Benefactor that helped me. if you like Frontier then spread

the word.



       



                                          Sincerely,

                                               John





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Aternative Medicine

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:37:10 -0600

--------

Frontier Herbs does have a web page at http://www.frontierherb.com/



Carole





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Remedies And Testimonys?

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:55:19 GMT

--------

Hello..are there any good web pages that have "home remedys" and

testimonials of things like...I used garlic for colds, comfrey for

arthritis, etc.? Thank you for any info to davecam@prgone.com

Dave





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ColtsFoot/Herbs-Lung Cancer?

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 06:56:24 GMT

--------

Hi again..anyone ever heard of using/smoking coltsfoot for lung cancer

in the advanced stages? Have a friend who needs advice on this, or any

other herb/vitamin therapy for this condition! Thanks for your reply

to davecam@prgone.com        Dave





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: st.john's wort for vitiligo

From: "haglleer-antonopoulos" <comfort@hol.gr>

Date: 3 Nov 1997 07:23:29 GMT

--------

does any one know of this treatment and what dosage should i use?my 7yr.

old daughter has vitiligo and i'm looking for alternative treatments.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Tounge attached to the heart???

From: "Ian Lees" <leesid@cadvision.com>

Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:54:49 -0000

--------

The other day I took my daughter to a Chinese herbalist to get something for

her cold.  While I was there I decided to get checked out also, well I

filled out a form, she looked at my hand, took my pulse and then check out

my tongue.  Now in my tongue there is a barbell through the center, she

advised me to remove it because circulation goes from the tongue to the

heart.  She didn't speak very clear English so she couldn't really tell me

why, I was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about it...is it

true or not? She basically said that it would case heart problems?? I

thought this sounded weird so I never took it out. But if it will cause

heart problems I certainly don't want it in there...if anyone can help me

out  it would great!...

thank you

Denise Malsbury-lees











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Tounge attached to the heart???

From: gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 00:26:01 GMT

--------

Denise, I believe she was referring to circulation of chi -- vital energy, and 

that this might upset the flow of chi along this meridian.  Your piercing 

probably won't cause heart problems in the usual sense, but what is the appeal 

of having your tongue pierced?  Piercing can cause other problems such as 

infection and become a foreign body which could be inhaled and harm you that 

way.  But...it is your body.



In article <345e2cbf.0@news.cadvision.com>, "Ian Lees" <leesid@cadvision.com> 

wrote:

>The other day I took my daughter to a Chinese herbalist to get something for

>her cold.  While I was there I decided to get checked out also, well I

>filled out a form, she looked at my hand, took my pulse and then check out

>my tongue.  Now in my tongue there is a barbell through the center, she

>advised me to remove it because circulation goes from the tongue to the

>heart.  She didn't speak very clear English so she couldn't really tell me

>why, I was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about it...is it

>true or not? She basically said that it would case heart problems?? I

>thought this sounded weird so I never took it out. But if it will cause

>heart problems I certainly don't want it in there...if anyone can help me

>out  it would great!...

>thank you

>Denise Malsbury-lees

>

>

>





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Subject: Re: Tounge attached to the heart???

From: "Y.K. Law" <yklaw@hkstar.com>

Date: 4 Nov 1997 12:15:36 GMT

--------

According to the Traditional Chinese Medicine, there are four basic methods

of examination --

observation; listening and smelling; inquiring; pulse feeling and

palpation.



In observation and inquiring, we take information directly from the

patient.  We observe the appearance,

the color, the texture of the tongue, the color, shape and thickness of the

moist fur to determine the condition 

of the patient's internal organs.  For instance, if the tip of the tongue

is densely red, may be the patient is hot 

in blood ( something related to high density of blood, high cholesterol,

hypertension, certain other heat disease, 

etc. ) most other something appear will relate us to the condition of the

heart - but not sufficiently, that  is why 

we still had to go thru the other examination methods.   We also inquire

the patient's subjective feeling like 

whether the patient feel any pain in any part of the body.  For instance,

the patient feel painful in the tongue, 

it will easily related us to check further on the other symtoms related to

the heart.



As I have always emphasized, the correctness of diagnosis not only depends

on one examination method but 

also on the comprehensiveness of analysis of the foundings.  That means a

good herbalist will not give a 

conclusion on the founding of one examination methods only.



The heart is related to the tongue.   The tongue reflects the condition of

the heart.  Will the tongue harm the heart

if the tongue is not in a healthy condition?  not neccessarily.  They are

interrelated but they are not in the equal 

terms.  We compare this way.  Heart and Tongue is like Parents and

Children.  Children to a certain extent

reflects their Parents .  Indeed, if they are in need, they will ask for

their Parents help.  Unfortunately if the children

feel sick or diseased, that doesn't mean their Parents will do the same but

I'm sure the Parents will not be very

happy.



Sometimes, individual part of the body will have some discomfort or illness

independent to the closely related 

organ or even the condition of any other internal organs.  Indeed, we had

to check very carefully before we make 

this judgement.  But sometimes, it just happens.   In this case, a TCM

herbalist may not neccessarily offer the 

best treatment.  At least not me.    



Best Regards



Y K Law at Jixitang

http://www.jixitang.com/



  



Ian Lees <leesid@cadvision.com> wrote in article

<345e2cbf.0@news.cadvision.com>...

> The other day I took my daughter to a Chinese herbalist to get something

for

> her cold.  While I was there I decided to get checked out also, well I

> filled out a form, she looked at my hand, took my pulse and then check

out

> my tongue.  Now in my tongue there is a barbell through the center, she

> advised me to remove it because circulation goes from the tongue to the

> heart.  She didn't speak very clear English so she couldn't really tell

me

> why, I was wondering if anyone out there knows anything about it...is it

> true or not? She basically said that it would case heart problems?? I

> thought this sounded weird so I never took it out. But if it will cause

> heart problems I certainly don't want it in there...if anyone can help me

> out  it would great!...

> thank you

> Denise Malsbury-lees

> 

> 

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scented Geraniums

From: The Jones' <lochmor@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 09:29:06 -0500

--------

Hello,



I was wondering how to root a piece of a scented geranium.  My friend

gave me a plant and unfortunately only a small piece remains alive.  I

have put it in a glass of water to try and keep it going but no roots

have sprouted.  Can this be rooted in water, or does it need soil ?



I'd really like to save this little guy.  Any ideas ?



Thank you

Diane Jones





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Scented Geraniums

From: marinab@oro.net (Marina Bokelman)

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:15:06 GMT

--------

The Jones' <lochmor@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Hello,



>I was wondering how to root a piece of a scented geranium.  My friend

>gave me a plant and unfortunately only a small piece remains alive.  I

>have put it in a glass of water to try and keep it going but no roots

>have sprouted.  Can this be rooted in water, or does it need soil ?



>I'd really like to save this little guy.  Any ideas ?



>Thank you

>Diane Jones





I have never done it myself, but have seen friends root various

scented geraniums by putting them in a pot with potting soil.  A

little B1 solution for shock is nice (Rescue Remedy also helps).

Perhaps rootone?  Good luck!









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scented Geraniums

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 09:59:58 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 m> The Jones' <lochmor@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>>Hello,



Hello, Jones.



>>I was wondering how to root a piece of a scented geranium. ... put it

(small remaining

>>piece) in a glass of water to try and keep it going but no roots have

sprouted.



I have never tried to root scented geraniums in water, but have, in

soil.  To do this, I cut them, lay aside for several hours, (or, 'til

tomorrow  :) to allow the seperation site to heal over... as you don't

want to put a fresh cut into soil, even if it is a sterile, soiless, 

medium.  Once the 'wettness' is gone from the cut, dip the cut end into

rooting hormone, and insert into soil, up to two leaf nodes, (if two

are available to you).  Water in good, and cover with plastic (or

however you are assuring high humidity) and place in a protected,

shaded place for afew days.  Ease into better light, over several days

time, and allow to remain in good light until growth is apparent. 

These don't like too much room at the roots, so don't try to strike one

cutting in a 10" pot.  You'll most probably end up loosing it to rot.



Once rooted, plant in pot that appears too small for the plant, tho not

so small that it tips over.  Many of us lose plants that don't *have*

to die, simply because we *think* we are saving steps by going straight

to to grown-up size (pots)... I guess, in a manner of speaking, we do,

as we go from the starter pot to the grown-up pot, to the compost heap!

 <g>



The only thing I would add to this situation would be some

root-stimulator.  I wouldn't fertilize at all, until, maybe, three

months or so, after I've potted it up.  By then, it should be spring,

and it will probably need some, but not until then.



Be very careful, once you have your cutting struck, as it won't require

very much care at all, once you have everything set up under your tent

of plastic (or terrarium type conditions).  It is all to easy to either

forget about it all, or to give it so much care that you end up with

advanced compost.  Good success...



cheers,

WL Sakowski........

                            at the end of the trail.....

                                                                 in

Okieland, America!!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Space syrup

From: "Don" <dg@wfquik.com>

Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:07:12 -0600

--------

I got this receipe offa some old message base. It is supposed to have been

given to the source from aliens! Ha ...But in reality it seems to have a

good effect on the immune system and it works for me but slowly. dose is 1

Tablespoon a day but I use 3 or 4...



Space Syrup:



6 or so fat / happy/ fresh cloves garlic - mashed / shreaded

2 Tbs. Olive Oil (I use good quality)

1/2 Tsp. Cayenne pepper

1 Tbs. Honey

1/2 - 1/2 Tsp. Astifideta (sp?) - powered herb - herb store - natural

antiboiotic - optional but does good for me...

1/2 cup strong green tea - 2 bags to half cup of water



saute garlic on very low heat in oil

add dry ingredients and warm together for a minute or so (to blend)

add honey & green tea

mix thoroughly and put in safe container ( to be heated later)

allow to cool - (avoids  burns)

Take it!

    I make the tea in the microwave as well as reheating it that way -

doesn't seem to affect the potientcy but who knows.

    Seems to help colds , minor infections, and may even have helped me beat

hep...have fun...









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: help fo r arthritis

From: Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:35:05 -0600

--------

I am unable to take any traditional meds for arthritis - does anyone

have any suggestions for vitamin or herbal therapy?

bettyt@dave-world.net

-- 









 BETTY L. TERRY - ASTROLOGER, PSYCHIC, CHANNEL, TAROT READER

 email address: bettyt@dave-world.net

 homepage:  http://farmwagon.com/psychic/index.html>

 home page at: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~bettyt





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Subject: Re: Pregnant & Congested

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:07:09 -0500

--------

Lady Cherry wrote in message <3459E96B.E5E89F7C@centuryinter.net>...

>Another thing that I find helps a lot to relieve congestion is onion. All

you really

>need to do is use onion to cook with. A particularly good recipe is to make

a nice

>pot of home-made chicken noodle soup and just drop a whole onion in the

broth

>(discard after cooked). It always seems to do the trick.





Oh, lord.  You just flung a cravin' on me for some good French onion soup,

full of thick slabs of sweet onion, covered with toasted bread and cheese.

Must be lunch time...



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnant & Congested

From: wakanyeja@iktomi.gov (Wakanyeja Makah)

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:08:20 GMT

--------

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:07:09 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:





	White sage is very good for congestion/respiratory.  Safe during

pregnancy.  Crumble leaves onto a nonflammable surface and light...let

smoulder and cup hands over and breathe deeply.  Will clear congestion

quickly and lasts a long time!   (White sage is different than cooking

sage...someone who grows herbs can point you in the right direction.)



W. Makah 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnant & Congested

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 16:33:02 -0600

--------

Although I suspect there is one, I am unable to determine whether there

is any difference in effect between cooking sage and smudging sage.  My

information is that SAGE SHOULD BE seriously AVOIDED during pregnancy. 

Specifically, I am aware of one [documented on this newsgroup about 4

years back] instance in which a woman pregnant with twins was smudged

with sage during a ceremony and violently miscarried.  I assume that

this was an artemesia spp. smudge rather than a salvia spp. smudge. 

Combustion notwithstanding, I would avoid artemesias during pregnancy

due to their [varying] thujone content.



Myself, I'd stick with the good old-fashioned salt water snort for nasal

congestion.



-Kyra



Wakanyeja Makah wrote:

> 

> White sage is very good for congestion/respiratory.  Safe during

> pregnancy.  Crumble leaves onto a nonflammable surface and light...let

> smoulder and cup hands over and breathe deeply.  Will clear congestion

> quickly and lasts a long time!   (White sage is different than cooking

> sage...someone who grows herbs can point you in the right direction.)





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnant & Congested

From: smoorefu@netcom.com (Stephanie Moore-Fuller)

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 02:03:32 GMT

--------

In article <3464E89E.16C0@flash.net>, Lady Necessity  <kyra@flash.net> wrote:

>Although I suspect there is one, I am unable to determine whether there

>is any difference in effect between cooking sage and smudging sage.  My





While it is certainly possible to use garden sage/red sage (salvia 

officinalis) for burning and smudging, the usual plant that is found in 

"sage smudges" is *SAGEBRUSH*, which is a completely different plant.



My David Hoffman herbal does say that red sage should be avoided during 

pregnancy, but it does not say why.



hope this helps,

stephanie



-- 

............................................................................  

Stephanie Moore-Fuller       smoorefu@netcom.com      Detroit, Michigan, USA

"Patience is a necessary ingredient of genius."



                                               -- Benjamin Disraeli





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Natural Alternative to Ritalin

From: dfraschi@bellatlantic.net (Donna Fraschilla)

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 19:14:39 GMT

--------

My 17 year old daughter took Ritalin for a while and now takes

Adderall (a new drug similar to Ritalin)  

Without her medication she is impulsive and aggressive.  When she

takes her meds, I can see the change even in her facial features.  

Anyway, a few weeks ago, we ran out of her medication and it was a

weekend and it was a holiday.  So there was no way we were going to be

able to get a new prescription until the next day.

I went to the health food store and inquired there.  I purchased a

small book about natural Ritalin alternatives.  (Sorry don't remember

the name)  It suggested a vitamin combination called "24 hour anxiety

control".  That was actually the name on the bottle.  

I figured it was worth a try.  Well, within 30 minutes I could see the

change in her.  

Since then, she has been taking the Adderall in the AM and instead of

her afternoon dose, she has been taking these vitamins.  So far she

has been doing really well.  

Also, we discovered earlier that meds or no meds, sugar triggers her

ADHD  If she has enough sugar, even the medication does not help.

I am hoping this works out because she hates taking her medication and

is open to taking the vitamins.  And of course it is much healthier

for her. 

The bad news is, if she were to take the vitamins exclusively, they

would cost about $25 for a three week supply.  With my prescription

plan her Adderall is $5 a month.  



Just  my experience.



Donna



>working stiff wrote in message <34411968.267F@frontiernet.net>...

>>I remember some time ago there were quite a few postings about natural

>>remedies that worked as good as if not even better than Ritalin.

>>

>>I was hoping someone could either post or email me with some names of

>>these remedies.

>

>







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pregnancy and herbs

From: "Jill E. Reed" <ccpettis@showme.missouri.edu>

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 15:32:39 -0600

--------

Are there herbs that don't mix with Pregnancy?  I drink a lot of herb

teas, sometimes take acidophalus and Evening Primrose oil.  I appreciate

any information.  Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and herbs

From: Texas Chick <rosegarden@tx.usa.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:51:14 -0800

--------

Jill, if the herb tea has senna in it, be careful.  Most have warnings

not to use such during pregnancy as it's a diuretic.  You can send me a

list of what you take and I can look it up in my herb books if you like.



Visit my pregnancy links:



http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/preggers.htm



http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/pregger2.htm



Jill E. Reed wrote:

> 

> Are there herbs that don't mix with Pregnancy?  I drink a lot of herb

> teas, sometimes take acidophalus and Evening Primrose oil.  I appreciate

> any information.  Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pregnancy and herbs

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 22:42:50 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 r> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:51:14 -0800

 r> Subject: Re: Pregnancy and herbs

 r> From: Texas Chick <rosegarden@tx.usa.net>



 r> Jill, if the herb tea has senna in it, be careful.  Most have

warnings not to use such

 r> during pregnancy as it's a diuretic.  You can send me a list of

what you take and I

 r> can look it up in my herb books if you like.



True, Senna is listed as having diuretic , but are you sure this is a

reason for it's being listed with warnings for caution during

pregnancy?  I mean, I was *given*  diuretics during each of my

pregnancies...



I would think it would be listed with caution (in regards to pregnancy,

tho)  because of it's stimulant action on the intestines, (which

*wouldn't* be good for pregnancy).



 r> Visit my pregnancy links:



 r> http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/preggers.htm



 r> http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/pregger2.htm



 r> Jill E. Reed wrote:



>> Are there herbs that don't mix with Pregnancy?  I drink a lot of

herb teas, sometimes

>> take acidophalus and Evening Primrose oil.  I appreciate any

information.  Thanks.



I can't speak for anything you've mentioned above, except acidophalus. 

I *did* use this, (with great *relief* [and *no* problems!]   :)  

during those times...   (and many times, since!  :)



cheers,

WL Sakowski...  at the end of the trail in Okieland, America!!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Pregnancy and herbs

From: dmain@uni.uiuc.edu (Doug Main)

Date: 7 Nov 1997 19:05:16 GMT

--------

"Jill E. Reed" <ccpettis@showme.missouri.edu> writes:



>Are there herbs that don't mix with Pregnancy?  I drink a lot of herb

>teas, sometimes take acidophalus and Evening Primrose oil.  I appreciate

>any information.  Thanks.



Of the ones that I know of are diuretics.  Do not take Ginko, Missiletoe, 

or Ephedra.  I would make SURE before you take anything that could 

possibly harm your baby. 

--

"If pro is the opposite of con, is progress the opposite of congress?"

-A junior







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kava-kava

From: kprinter@dfw.dfw.net (Mark Shippey)

Date: 3 Nov 1997 22:55:37 GMT

--------

  I am interested in some of your opinons about

the herb kava-kava. Two weeks ago, I had to have

some impacted wisdom teeth pulled and someone

gave me some kava-kava capsules to take for

a couple of days saying it would help me relax

when I went to the Dentist, something I hate.

  I remembered that kava-kava is a root that

they use to make some type of mild "euphoric"

drink in the South Seas, so it sounded good

to me. 

  I tried it, and it seemed to work, but hey,

maybe it was all in my mind.

  Anyone have any opions or experiences with this

herb?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava-kava

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:33:01 -0800

--------



Mark Shippey wrote in message <63lkp9$duf@fnord.dfw.net>...

:  I am interested in some of your opinons about

:the herb kava-kava. Two weeks ago, I had to have

:some impacted wisdom teeth pulled and someone

:gave me some kava-kava capsules to take for

:a couple of days saying it would help me relax

:when I went to the Dentist, something I hate.

:  I remembered that kava-kava is a root that

:they use to make some type of mild "euphoric"

:drink in the South Seas, so it sounded good

:to me.

:  I tried it, and it seemed to work, but hey,

:maybe it was all in my mind.

:  Anyone have any opions or experiences with this

:herb?





Kava Kava -- Piper methysticum, or kava, is an effective relaxing and

stress-relieving plant originating from the South Pacific. It's been used

for 3,000 years by native islanders who pound the fresh root into a beverage

that promotes tranquillity. The active compounds, kavalactones, have been

widely researched for their sedative, muscle-relaxing and sleep-enhancing

properties.













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Subject: kava-kava

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 20:37:41 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 BT> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:33:01 -0800

 BT> Subject: Re: kava-kava

 BT> From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>



 BT> Mark Shippey wrote in message

 BT> MS>: I am interested in some of your opinons about the herb

kava-kava. ...gave

 BT> MS>: me some kava-kava capsules to take... help me relax when I

went to the

 BT> MS>: Dentist,  something I hate. ...  I tried it, and it seemed to

 work, but hey,

 BT> MS>: maybe it  was all  in my mind. ... any opions or experiences

...?



Yep.  I've used it (in tea form).  Sometimes I don't sleep too well, so

I use it, when I am in one fo those "modes".



 BT> ... effective relaxing and stress-relieving ... root into a

beverage that promotes

 BT> tranquillity.



...pretty much the results I end up with.   I don't guess *everyone*

would necessarily respond in kind...



 BT> ...researched for their sedative, muscle-relaxing and

sleep-enhancing properties.



Yes. I would agree...



cheers,



WL Sakowski...  at the end of the trail in Okieland, America!!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kava-kava

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 5 Nov 1997 07:24:09 GMT

--------

Mark Shippey (kprinter@dfw.dfw.net) wrote:

:  I am interested in some of your opinons about

:the herb kava-kava. Two weeks ago, I had to have

:some impacted wisdom teeth pulled and someone

:gave me some kava-kava capsules to take for

:a couple of days saying it would help me relax

:when I went to the Dentist, something I hate.

:  I remembered that kava-kava is a root that

:they use to make some type of mild "euphoric"

:drink in the South Seas, so it sounded good

:to me. 

:  I tried it, and it seemed to work, but hey,

:maybe it was all in my mind.

:  Anyone have any opions or experiences with this

:herb?



I've found that taking kava kava more than 4 or 5 nights in a row (I use it to

relax before sleep), causes me severe dizziness on the 5th morning, like a

hangover.  So now I limit my kava kava intake to a few times per month, when I

know I'll have trouble sleeping.  On other such nights I take valerian, which

I also don't take frequently as it loses potency very rapidly (for me). 



So kava kava and valerian pretty-well have me covered on those 8 or 9 mights

per month when sleep comes reluctantly, despite the nightly melatonin. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 00:17:50 GMT

--------

Jade, have you seen a health professional?  Lots of mucus and adbominal pain 

are not what most would call "within normal limits."   These symptoms COULD be 

consistent with inflammatory bowel disease, although left sided pain is more 

common.  Do oyu have diarrhea as well?  It could also be a host of other 

ailments from gall bladder/liver disease to parasites to appendicitis.  Anyone 

who tells you what herbs to take based on on your history is doing no one a 

service, let alone you.  Go see a doctor. Good luck.





In article <345E25BE.C70FFD52@psynet.net>, Jade Morano <jade@psynet.net> 

wrote:

>x-no-archives: yes

>

>I have intestinal problems if I eat wrong too often (too much fat and

>spicey foods).

>I will pass lots of mucus with my stools, and I have little pain in the

>lower right part of the abdomen.  Is there some kind of herbs that can

>help me?  I used to take a clay treatment, and drink carrot juice.

>

>Thanks.

>





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:37:20 GMT

--------

First an MD and a parasite check.  Giardia loves us.  The treatment is

awful, but better than the little food sucking monsters living in us.





On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:28:00 -0500, Jade Morano <jade@psynet.net>

wrote:



-----x-no-archives: yes

-----

-----I have intestinal problems if I eat wrong too often (too much fat

and

-----spicey foods).

-----I will pass lots of mucus with my stools, and I have little pain

in the

-----lower right part of the abdomen.  Is there some kind of herbs

that can

-----help me?  I used to take a clay treatment, and drink carrot

juice.

-----

-----Thanks.

-----



"If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"

 

 I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.



 http://www.visi.com/~cyli/





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:26:58 -0800

--------

One of the most common sources of intestinal parasites is through contact

with pets.

for more information on the problem, go to this site.



http://www.ultranet.ca/neways/Parasites.htm



Bob











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:22:48 GMT

--------

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:15:22 -0900, "slade or kay henson"

<noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:



>Cyli,

>Isn't Giardi contracted through infected dogs? From what I understand of it, (my neighbors baby just went through all of this) Giardia is very hard to detect. My neighbor got a puppy from a puppy mill that was recently "busted" in our area, for having majorly sick dogs. Giardia, Parvo, and 2 other canine parasites were included in the list of ailments these puppies had.

>If you have more information on it, please post it for me. I'm interested in this topic.

>

>Kay



Here, Giardiasis, is called Beaver Fever and we are warned not to drink

river water. 





Paul





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:15:22 -0900

--------

Cyli,

Isn't Giardi contracted through infected dogs? From what I understand of it, (my neighbors baby just went through all of this) Giardia is very hard to detect. My neighbor got a puppy from a puppy mill that was recently "busted" in our area, for having majorly sick dogs. Giardia, Parvo, and 2 other canine parasites were included in the list of ailments these puppies had.

If you have more information on it, please post it for me. I'm interested in this topic.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Intestinal problems

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:02:15 GMT

--------

Any mammal can be infected and spread it.  The usual ways in the city

are day care and the rare case of infected water (usually after a

flood or if the treatment plant goofs).   If you go into the country

and drink from a well, swim in a lake, drink from an untreated source

in any way, you've got a chance of it.  Oh, yeah, nursing homes, too.

In the northwoods it's usually called 'beaver fever,' but is not

limited to those animals.  Any* mammal feces can spread it.  Beavers

get a lot of blame because they defecate directly into the water as

part of their lifestyle where other animals don't spend as much time

in water and therefore put less feces there.



It's way more common than is generally thought.  Many people have it

with no or mimimal discomfort.  Between Giardia and E coli, there's a

good reason all those resturants have big signs up in employees' rest

rooms demanding that they wash their hands thoroughly.



Herbal remedies that may help would be the things like cayenne and a

couple of others I can't recall right now.  But it's unlikely they'll

eleminate it.  Just cause it to diminish in effect.  It's rampant

(along with other internal nasties) in third world countries, so a

nice vacation in the sun can get it for you, too.  The natives don't

seem to suffer from the casual tourist viewpoint, but most that

haven't been weakened too severely have reached an accomodation with

their digestive systems and have lived with it from birth.  It

probably adds its bit to the infant mortality problems.



For those who do not live in the US, there's a much gentler medication

that can be prescribed for it and some of the other parasites.  It's

used for a shorter time, too.  Only a few days.   But it's not FDA

approved here yet.  So Flagyl is the generally used med.  Ish.  It's

not just that you can't drink when taking Flagyl.  Most of us don't

who don't drink much can go a couple of weeks without any and never

notice.  Until we take Flagyl.  Then I* wanted one.  Or anything else

that'd take my mind off the treatment.  That said, it's only two weeks

and getting rid of the Giardia is worth it.







On Tue, 4 Nov 1997 13:15:22 -0900, "slade or kay henson"

<noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:



-----Cyli,

-----Isn't Giardi contracted through infected dogs? From what I

understand of =

-----it, (my neighbors baby just went through all of this) Giardia is

very =

-----hard to detect. My neighbor got a puppy from a puppy mill that

was =

-----recently "busted" in our area, for having majorly sick dogs.

Giardia, =

-----Parvo, and 2 other canine parasites were included in the list of

=

-----ailments these puppies had.

-----If you have more information on it, please post it for me. I'm =

-----interested in this topic.

-----

-----Kay

-----

-----

-----  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

-----              or

-----  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

-----

-----

-----



"If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"

 

 I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.



 http://www.visi.com/~cyli/





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Subject: Canadian Herb Supplier

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca

Date: 4 Nov 1997 04:50:54 GMT

--------



If anyone out there knows of a store (or whatever) in *CANADA* where I could 

buy specific herbs (in powder form, especially), please email me.



I would like to get some or all of the following in powdered form 

(alone - not in formula): Siberian Ginseng; Ma Huang; Saw Palmetto; Gotu 

Kola...   



(In my local health food/herb stores, I can only find Saw Plametto berries or 

tea, and can only find Ginseng in tea or in readymade capsules... couldn't 

find powdered and bagged Gotu Kola or Ma Huang either.)



Thanks.



email:  mmcavoy@escape.ca







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Subject: P.S. - Canadian Herb Supplier

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca

Date: 4 Nov 1997 04:57:25 GMT

--------



Re: the original message I wrote:



If you know a place where I can buy those herbs loose, that would be fine 

too....









email: mmcavoy@escape.ca







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To: mmcavoy@escape.ca

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: P.S. - Canadian Herb Supplier

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 22:54:32 -0600

--------

Try here. http://www.uniserve.com/shaman/



I have done business with them for a couple of years now. Excellent 

quality and really nice people. 



Carole





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Subject: VERTIGO

From: "Winnie" <KCHEWH@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 4 Nov 1997 18:34:12 GMT

--------

Can anyone help,friend has severe inner ear problem,any herbal

suggestions,medications add to the problem..tia,winnie







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Subject: Vitamin-E

From: Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 18:52:24 GMT

--------

Hi:



I take 1000 IU of natural Vitamin E per day.  I purchase my vitamins

from Puritan's Pride.   They have 2 forms of  natural Vitamin E:



1.  d-alpha tocopheryl     (d-alpha)

2.  d-alpha tocopherols   (d-alpha, beta, gamma & delta)







My question is then 2 fold.



1.  Which one of the above am I better off taking?    Why?

2.  Does anyone know the percentage mix of  alpha, beta, gamma & delta?



Many thanks,



FRED







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,sci.med.n

Subject: soy for babies?

From: qlambert2@northernway.net

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:08:55 -0600

--------

Soy may be a great choice for adults, but what about the millions of

infants given soy as their only source of protein?  Never before in human

history has a vegetable substitute for breast milk been attempted.  In

the 1970's Neo-mull-soy killed dozens of babies, I am afraid the recent

explosion of soy infant formula use may be a tragedy!  There are no

on-going studies of the safety of this "best guess" approximation of

mammalian milk and if Archer Daniels Midland and the USDA have their way,

there will never be any. see http:www.io.org/~infacto/wint96/stopsoy.htm

and Lancet 7/5/97 (high levels of phytoestrogens again documented in

infants blood streams)



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Subject: Re: Irritablilty

From: bunny@pollyanna.demon.co.uk (Bunny Smedley)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:20:21 +0000

--------

In article <345585AB.376ADAEC@bellsouth.sp.net>,

sugarhi@bellsouth-nospam.net wrote:



> Hi, my name's Angela and I'm writing for a friend at work.  She's been

> having alot of problems with being very irritable the last few weeks,

> partly due to the stress of our job.  One of the ladies we work with

> recommended Valerian(sp) Root to her.  She tried it but it knocks her

> out cold.  She thought possibly St. John's Wort might be of benefit but

> hasn't noticed it helping any as of yet.

> 

> Does anyone have any suggestions of what herbs may help calm her

> irritability?

> 

> Thanks,

> Ang

\



She needs to work out why she is irritable and deal with that ... but

until she gets the chance, I'd recommend Passiflora (Passion Flower) -

also maybe check whether she's getting adequate B-complex vitamins?





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Subject: olive leaf extract?

From: Mei-Tien Hsing <a.wu@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:21:43 -0500

--------

Has anyone had experience with olive leaf extract?



Mei-Tien





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Subject: Re: olive leaf extract?

From: cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena)

Date: 5 Nov 1997 15:47:41 GMT

--------

>Has anyone had experience with olive leaf extract?



>Mei-Tien



yeah. it's a pretty good immune booster, esp. if you have a viral thing like

 herpes.







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Subject: Cetyl myristoleate

From: gary@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 23:54:18 GMT

--------

Hi.  I'm looking for information on cetyl myristoleate.  My understanding is 

that it's supposed to be a potent anti-inflammatory.  I assume it is an 

esterified fatty acid?  Is it a prostaglandin mediator?  It is found in nature 

or synthetic?  What is its safety profile?  Any pointers to the medical 

literature?  Thanks.





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Subject: Please help - I have a question

From: "TKousek" <TheronK@impacttech.com>

Date: 5 Nov 1997 17:49:30 GMT

--------

Hello:



I have recently given up chewing tobacco due to health reasons...



In it's place, I am using a brand called "Smokey Mountain" which is an

herbal snuff and contains no tobacco and no nicotine...   They say it's a

healty alternative and is completely safe...



What they predominantly use is "Red Clover"...   I have been unable to find

any information about "Red Clover"...   Can anyone tell me a little about

"Red Clover"?   Is it completely safe and like all other herbs?



The other herbs they use is AlfAlfa and Capsicum...    I just want to make

sure that "Red Clover" is safe and I suspect it is very safe but want to

make sure.



thanks,

theronk



-- 

Life's too short so try and enjoy it.





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Subject: Re: Please help - I have a question

From: "Virgil H. Huston Jr." <huston@angel-net.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:12:00 -0500

--------

TKousek wrote:

> 

> Hello:

> 

> I have recently given up chewing tobacco due to health reasons...

> 

> In it's place, I am using a brand called "Smokey Mountain" which is an

> herbal snuff and contains no tobacco and no nicotine...   They say it's a

> healty alternative and is completely safe...

> 

> What they predominantly use is "Red Clover"...   I have been unable to find

> any information about "Red Clover"...   Can anyone tell me a little about

> "Red Clover"?   Is it completely safe and like all other herbs?

> 

> The other herbs they use is AlfAlfa and Capsicum...    I just want to make

> sure that "Red Clover" is safe and I suspect it is very safe but want to

> make sure.

> 

It is very safe.



Virgil H. Huston Jr.





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Subject: Chinese names of herbs

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 5 Nov 1997 11:29:00 -0700

--------

Does anyone know of a reference book that lists herbs by common

English and Latin and Chinese names??  I can find common and English

but I need Chinese.  For example a poerfunctory search could not even

find cinnamin in Chinese.  Thank you







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Subject: Re: Chinese names of herbs

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 17:25:07 -0600

--------

	"108 Chinese Healing Herbs" by Daniel Reid (no relation) is the

best book IMO on Chinese herbs.





	...Rodney





Wigwam Outlet Stores (phokt@primenet.com) wrote:

: Does anyone know of a reference book that lists herbs by common

: English and Latin and Chinese names??  I can find common and English

: but I need Chinese.  For example a poerfunctory search could not even

: find cinnamin in Chinese.  Thank you







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Subject: Re: Chinese names of herbs

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 17:26:15 -0600

--------



Whoops.  Wrong title given there.   It's 



"A handbook of chinese healing herbs".   It lists 108 herbs though.





	...Rodney





Wigwam Outlet Stores (phokt@primenet.com) wrote:

: Does anyone know of a reference book that lists herbs by common

: English and Latin and Chinese names??  I can find common and English

: but I need Chinese.  For example a poerfunctory search could not even

: find cinnamin in Chinese.  Thank you







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Subject: Re: Chinese names of herbs

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:41:03 -0500

--------

That does indeed present some problems.  For one thing, there are usually

several alternate spellings for any given Pinyin name, which are only

approximations (many of which are obsolete by current standards).  For

instance, Angelica sinensis root can be found listed as "Tang Kuei" or "Dang

Gui", both of which are equally valid because they are attempts to reproduce

Chinese pronunciations using Western sounds (a crude approximation at best).

Even within China there are different pronunciations and nicknames or common

names for  herbs, which adds to the confusion.  If that's not enough, there

are even "Chinese" names that were apparently never heard of in China - like

"Fo Ti" for "He (or Ho) Shou Wu" (Polygonum multiflorum root).  Many sellers

of Chinese herbs also list them by pharmeceutical name, which is much easier

for most English-speaking folks to grasp.  Angelica sinensis root becomes

"Radix Angelicae sinensis".  Rhizomes are "Rhizoma", seeds are "Semen",

leaves are "Folium", etc.



Incidentally (just to further confuse matters) the Chinese make use of both

the cortex (bark) and twigs of cinnamon and consider them to have different

properties - and, of course, different names.



-RJO





Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote in message <63qdtc$jf7@nntp02.primenet.com>...

>Does anyone know of a reference book that lists herbs by common

>English and Latin and Chinese names??  I can find common and English

>but I need Chinese.  For example a poerfunctory search could not even

>find cinnamin in Chinese.  Thank you

>











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Subject: Herbs for  fungus

From: "Jeanette" <jeanette@krokus.com>

Date: 5 Nov 1997 22:47:14 GMT

--------

Can anyone tell me if there are herbs used to treat nail fungus.  I

absolutely refuse to take any oral meds that can possibly cause liver

damage.  Since this fungus is supposedly related to an autoimmune disorder

I thought thre might be a more natural remedy.  Thanks.



Jeanette





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Subject: Re: Herbs for  fungus

From: "Pat Ryburn" <jrsinc@netins.net>

Date: 6 Nov 1997 13:26:19 GMT

--------

Soaking your nails in Pau D'Arco (sp?) may help.  Have been doing this for

toe nails.



Pat



Jeanette <jeanette@krokus.com> wrote in article

<01bcea12$b5314ff0$290714ce@jmknthome>...

> Can anyone tell me if there are herbs used to treat nail fungus.  I

> absolutely refuse to take any oral meds that can possibly cause liver

> damage.  Since this fungus is supposedly related to an autoimmune

disorder

> I thought thre might be a more natural remedy.  Thanks.

> 

> Jeanette

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for  fungus

From: jwalkerh@mindspring.com (EEOPro)

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 23:16:51 GMT

--------

Pat,

I've read recently that Tea Tree Oil is supposed to cure it.  I just

bought some for my hubby so I can't testify yet!

Good luck,

Jeny







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Subject: Re: Herbs for  fungus

From: "J. PETELIN" <jpetelin@maxinet.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1997 20:22:20 GMT

--------

Garlic works well.  Mash several cloves of garlic and place them in hot

water.  I assume you are concerned about toenail fungus.  Soak your feet in

this solution for about 20 minutes.  This will also take care of athletes

foot.  You can also slice a fresh clove of garlic and rub it into the

affected area.



Jeanette <jeanette@krokus.com> wrote in article

<01bcea12$b5314ff0$290714ce@jmknthome>...

> Can anyone tell me if there are herbs used to treat nail fungus.  I

> absolutely refuse to take any oral meds that can possibly cause liver

> damage.  Since this fungus is supposedly related to an autoimmune

disorder

> I thought thre might be a more natural remedy.  Thanks.

> 

> Jeanette

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for  fungus

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 16:20:00 -0700

--------

Black Walnut tincture or  powder will cure athlete's foot.  It stains

so be careful!





"Jeanette" <jeanette@krokus.com> wrote:



>Can anyone tell me if there are herbs used to treat nail fungus.  I

>absolutely refuse to take any oral meds that can possibly cause liver

>damage.  Since this fungus is supposedly related to an autoimmune disorder

>I thought thre might be a more natural remedy.  Thanks.



>Jeanette









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Subject: herb gardens

From: lhirst1@ix.netcom.com (linda hirst)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 00:17:49 GMT

--------

hi!



I have a friend who is buying a house with ALOT of land attached. She is

an avid gardener asked me if I knew where to get info on growing

conditions and/or native species for her particular backyard. Can anyone

help?



Thanks!

Linda H.





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Newsgroups: sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Food for thought

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:08:37 -0800

--------

The May, 1993 issue of " Townsend Letter for Doctors" contains statistics

from the Center for Poison Control, citing 9,805 confirmed death's caused by

prescription, and over the counter pharmaceutical drugs in the US as

follows:



Analgesics                                    2,669

Anti-depressants                          517

Ant-histamines                              412

Anti-microbials                              953

Cough/cold drugs                         1,526

Asthma therapies                         257

Cardiovascular drugs                   370

Gastrointestinal preparations 619

Hormones/hormone antagonists 488

Anti-anxiety/anti-psychotics          888

Topical ointments                          1,106



There was not a single death attributed to consumption of herbs, vitamins,

and or minerals.



These drugs are heavily regulated products and dispensed by fully licensed

professionals. However, licensing and regulation do not protect the public;

they protect the profession and the drug companies from competition.



Bob Tyndall



http://www.ultranet.ca/neways













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Subject: Re: Food for thought

From: Brian Manning Delaney <notarealaddress@tofoilbulkmail.ers>

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:39:42 GMT

--------

Bob Tyndall wrote:

> 

> The May, 1993 issue of " Townsend Letter for Doctors"

> contains  statistics from the Center for Poison Control,

> citing 9,805 confirmed death's caused by

> prescription, and over the counter pharmaceutical drugs

> in the US as follows:



[....]



But there are many more very sick people taking the above

drugs than those who take vitamins, herbs, etc.



> 

> There was not a single death attributed to consumption of herbs, > vitamins, and or minerals.

> 

> These drugs are heavily regulated products and dispensed by

> fully licensed professionals. However, licensing and

> regulation do not protect the public; they protect the

> profession and the drug companies from competition.



It's not so clear-cut.



Also, conspiracy theories protect the supplement industry

(even if the theories are not wholly without merit).



But yes, the regulation of drugs and of "alternatie drugs"

needs to be overhauled.





Best,

Brian.

--

Brian Manning Delaney

My email address is here:

http://xyz.uchicago.edu/users/bmdelane/email.htm

[Wrists: "Leave unambiguous typos."]

Note: All statements in this article are in jest; they

are not statements of fact.

"Mein Genie ist in meinen Nuestern." -Nietzsche.

** Please do not CC your Usenet articles to me. I'll find

them.





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Subject: Re: Food for thought

From: tchite@netcom.ca

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 22:00:00 -0800

--------

Brian Manning Delaney wrote:



> 

> But there are many more very sick people taking the above

> drugs than those who take vitamins, herbs, etc.

> 



What is the source of this conclusion? 



Tom Hite

tchite@netcom.ca





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Subject: Re: Food for thought

From: wright@nospam.clam (David Wright)

Date: 8 Nov 1997 16:22:18 -0500

--------

In article <34628e72.0@news.ultranet.ca>,

Bob Tyndall <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca> wrote:

>The May, 1993 issue of " Townsend Letter for Doctors" contains statistics

>from the Center for Poison Control, citing 9,805 confirmed death's caused by

>prescription, and over the counter pharmaceutical drugs in the US as

>follows:



>Analgesics                                    2,669

>Anti-depressants                          517

>Antihistamines                              412

>Anti-microbials                              953

>Cough/cold drugs                         1,526

>Asthma therapies                         257

>Cardiovascular drugs                   370

>Gastrointestinal preparations 619

>Hormones/hormone antagonists 488

>Anti-anxiety/anti-psychotics          888

>Topical ointments                          1,106



How many tens of millions of people took these?  Over 40,000 people in

the US died in car accidents each year.  Cigarettes kill hundreds of

thousands.  We can bat numbers around all we want.  Of those who died

from the causes above, how many overdosed, and how many were using the

stuff as prescribed?  We won't know from what you have given us.



>There was not a single death attributed to consumption of herbs, vitamins,

>and or minerals.



Well, there damn well should have been, because we know that iron

supplements kill kids every year (more poisonings than aspirin, at

this point).  So I'd say these figures are not the last word. 





  -- David Wright :: wright @ hi.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone

     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.

     "After all, this is still the land of opportunity.  If you know

      where to look."  -- Jack Douglas





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Subject: Re: Food for thought

From: CRMiller <crmiller@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 07:50:01 -0800

--------

David Wright wrote:

> 



> 

> Well, there damn well should have been, because we know that iron

> supplements kill kids every year (more poisonings than aspirin, at

> this point).  So I'd say these figures are not the last word.



Without getting into a long argument, do you have a reliable source for

this?



crmiller

-- 

Remove NOT for email

I publish email as I see fit









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Subject: Re: Food for thought

From: Debra L Schwartz <debra+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Sun,  9 Nov 1997 09:34:24 -0500

--------

Excerpts from netnews.alt.folklore.herbs: 8-Nov-97 Food for thought by

wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com 

>  BT> Analgesics                                    2,669

>  BT> Anti-depressants                          517

>  BT> Ant-histamines                              412

>  BT> Anti-microbials                              953

>  BT> Cough/cold drugs                         1,526

>  BT> Asthma therapies                         257

>  BT> Cardiovascular drugs                   370

>  BT> Gastrointestinal preparations 619

>  BT> Hormones/hormone antagonists 488

>  BT> Anti-anxiety/anti-psychotics          888

>  BT> Topical ointments                          1,106

>  

>  BT> There was not a single death attributed to consumption of herbs,

> vitamins, and

>  BT> or minerals.

>  

> Thanks, Bob Tyndall.  This has been on my list of 'things to do'...  to

> locate just this sort of information.  I appreciate your doing it for

> me!  <g>  I would be interested in newer figures,

> tho.  Can you tell me if this information is available to the general

> public (as I am not part of

> the industry).  I knew they were higher than most folks would ever

> think, but just didn't know *how* high!



Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics, Constitutional Interpretation, Biblical

Interpretation.



Raw numbers mean nothing. Well, okay, they mean something, but not very

much. 9,805 deaths (I presume in the US) because of both prescription

and over the counter drugs. Okay, now first of all, of course people die

from these drugs, a lot of people misuse them. Some are, of course,

either doctor error or unforseen reactions (but people also die from

allergies due to unforseen reactions with things such as bee stings). 

Now let's see 9.805 people out of how many in the US? There are about 12

million people in Pennsylvannia, which is a fairly big state size-wise.

LEt's try to round low to be cautious. So say 35 times that for the US

or 420 million. Now how many have never taken any drugs, not even an

aspirin? Maybe 40 million? And how many people ask their doctors before

taking any drug at all, or before giving their children any drug (and

aspirin can be very dangerous for children, and if you mix aspirin with

alcohol you can die, how many people know these things?) say 1 million.

So we are left with 369 million people who are picking their drugs for

themselves (which isn't  a bad thing, it just depends on how

knowledgeable they are).



Now of these 369 million I won't hazard a guess to the break down of the

usage of various drugs, but most of them have probably had a pain killer

and a topical ointment at some time, while hormones and antidepressants

are less frequently used. But 9,805 deaths out of 369 million is about

.000266 or about a .0266% chance of death when using these drugs

(remember I played it safe so this estimate should be higher than the

real one, for instance I am assuming everyone uses each drug once per

year, which is too high for some and way too low for others, but overall

should lead to a low number if they were all equally risky (which they

are not) but since I am counting overall risk does not matter. Also the

population is probably much greater so again this number is lower).



And this is not looking at why they died. Which would imply that

educating yourself about drugs before using them would decrease your

personal risk.



Rachel who is not a statistician or a mathematician, and may well have

made mistakes in the above, but is just trying to demonstrate that

numbers should be givin a context before conclusions are made.







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Subject: saw palmetto

From: Merrill Paletz <mpaletz@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:41:05 -0400

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Has anyone had any luck with saw palmetto i.e. shrinking prostrate.  How

long before you saw a change?





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Subject: Re: saw palmetto

From: schooby1@aol.com (SCHOOBY 1)

Date: 11 Nov 1997 14:29:11 GMT

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It took about 3 months to lower my PSA and reduce the size of my prostrate. I

 take 600 MG. a day.



Good Luck!





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Subject: Aloe Vera Salve or Cream

From: strasser@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Susan Strasser)

Date: 5 Nov 1997 22:46:59 -0500

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Does anybody know how to process fresh aloe vera gel into some kind of

salve or cream, for use by those who don't want to get so gloppy?



Thanks.



Susan Strasser





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Subject: hELP...TRYING AGAIN!!!!

From: "John Duncan" <John.Duncan@sk.sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:53:09 -0600

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Can anyone tell me what is the best percentage of proteins, carbohydrates

and fats to maintain in a daily diet?

Thanks a heap!

John Duncan









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Subject: Re: hELP...TRYING AGAIN!!!!

From: Mike Austin <moaustin@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:19:54 -0800

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John Duncan wrote:

> 

> Can anyone tell me what is the best percentage of proteins, carbohydrates

> and fats to maintain in a daily diet?

> Thanks a heap!

> John DuncanJohn I'm A Newbie to newsgroups but an "Old /hand" in the area of your 

question. My degree is in human physiology and I try to stay current in 

areas of sports medicine & general health. About 15 years ago I was 

involved in bariatric research in determining MINIMUM amounts of 

protein, & that was 44grms/day. Those cultures that consume on average 

less that 125grms/day have health problems. . .including "birthing them 

babies" Dr. Barry Sears who seems to me to have a good grasp of real 

world numbers suggests in his book THE ZONE one grm/day of protein/lb of 

lean body tissue, & I concur, adding that I believe generally that 

protein of animal origin is better (sorry you vegans but again cultural 

anthropologists don't support your views). Dr. Sears recommends 75% by 

weight as much low glycemic carbohydrates as protein,& the same or more 

for fats.





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Subject: Re: hELP...TRYING AGAIN!!!!

From: arando@po-box.mcgill.ca

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:05:21 -0500

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Mike Austin wrote:



> John Duncan wrote:

> >

> > Can anyone tell me what is the best percentage of proteins,

> carbohydrates

> > and fats to maintain in a daily diet?

> > Thanks a heap!

> > John DuncanJohn I'm A Newbie to newsgroups but an "Old /hand" in the

> area of your

> question. My degree is in human physiology and I try to stay current

> in

> areas of sports medicine & general health. About 15 years ago I was

> involved in bariatric research in determining MINIMUM amounts of

> protein, & that was 44grms/day. Those cultures that consume on average

>

> less that 125grms/day have health problems. . .including "birthing

> them

> babies" Dr. Barry Sears who seems to me to have a good grasp of real

> world numbers suggests in his book THE ZONE one grm/day of protein/lb

> of

> lean body tissue, & I concur, adding that I believe generally that

> protein of animal origin is better (sorry you vegans but again

> cultural

> anthropologists don't support your views). Dr. Sears recommends 75% by

>

> weight as much low glycemic carbohydrates as protein,& the same or

> more

> for fats.



First off, the question begs to be asked, "what do cultural

anthropologists know about biochemistry?"  Simply, protein is a bunch of

amino acids grouped together, once they are ungrouped, ya don't know

from whence they came.  Ergo, it doesn't matter the source, just that

you take them all in.  PS I'm not a vegan.



Anyway, your fat intake should be less than 30 % of calories, carbos

should be 50-55%, and protein should be 15-20%.  Studies consistently

show that a diet high in fruits and vegetables and low in animal

products (with consistent exercise) will lower your blood pressure and

cholesterol, decrease heart disease and decrease many cancer risks.

Beware the many diet fads and books, the authors often have an agenda

(usually financial).  For good research on health issues look for

Nutrition Action Healthletter, put out by The Center for Science in the

Public Interest at http://www.cspinet.org or The Berkeley Wellness

Letter at http://www.enews.com/magazines/ucbwl/subscrip.html  No

afiliation to either group.  Hope this helps









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Subject: St. Johns Wort

From: greg025@ibm.net (Gregory Harris)

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:28:30 GMT

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Hi,



I am looking for information on SJW as I am seriously considering

taking it.  I understand that it can help with enhancing the mood and

elevating depressive symptoms. I assume it assists the serotonin

levels in the brain?  Is it an 'all natural' substance?  Does it

combine well with other 'man-made' medication?  Is there any medical

literature available on the Net or books that I could purchase?



Could you please email any answers to this address: greg025@IBM.net



I thank you all in advance for your responses.



Kind Regards,





Jo Kempton

(greg025@ibm.net)





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 13:55:16 GMT

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> Is there any medical

>literature available on the Net or books that I could purchase?



http://www.hypericum.com/toc.htm



http://mypage.direct.ca/k/kelm/stjohns.html





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: lphill7983@aol.com (LPhill7983)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 19:28:12 GMT

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Hello,

I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not noticed any

 difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start feeling a

 difference?



Thanks,



Lonnie R Phillips

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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 7 Nov 1997 00:48:10 GMT

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>Hello,

>I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not noticed any

> difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start feeling a

> difference?



The difference is so subtle that you don't notice it.  One day you just realize

 everything is better.  And if you stop taking it, then you might notice the

 difference.  But it can take from 2 to 6 weeks to notice anyway.  Are you

 taking enough?  I take 300 mg. standardized to .3% hypericin 3 times a day ...

 my 50-lb. son takes 900 mg. per day also, and if I drop him back to 2 tablets

 (600 mg.), we know about it within a week, with him being in big trouble.









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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: bpickett@oz.net (Brood)

Date: 8 Nov 1997 06:48:17 GMT

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In article <19971106192800.OAA19168@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

lphill7983@aol.com (LPhill7983) wrote:



> Hello,

> I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not noticed any

>  difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start feeling a

>  difference?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Lonnie R Phillips

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I have found that some people are un-affected by SJW.  You should consult

a dealer or physician to make sure that you are using the proper dosage,

though.



I am not a true herbalist, but have studied herbal remedies since early

childhood, since we couldn't aford visits to the doctor.  If I knew what

you were taking it for, I might be able to recomend something else.



Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6 monthes.  In some

people they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.



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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: lfhamilton@aol.com (LFHAMILTON)

Date: 9 Nov 1997 17:53:33 GMT

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In article <bpickett-0711972252090001@bpickett.oz.net>, bpickett@oz.net

(Brood) writes:



>Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6 monthes.  In some

>people they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.



Hi. I would be very interested in any reference you could give about this. TIA



lynn





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: sgb@CAN_THE_SPAMescape.ca (Syd Baumel)

Date: 09 Nov 97 13:04:29 -600

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>Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6 monthes.  In some

>people they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.



That's the first time I've heard of any serious, presumably documented

cautions regarding SJW.  Do you have a source for it?



Thanks.



Syd



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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 01:35:27 GMT

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Bree Pickett wrote:

>Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6 monthes.  In some

>people they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.

>

>



Would you possibly be able to quote the source of this information??  I've been

 following SJW quite closely and have never seen anyting of this sort.  It's

 very important to me to understand the source of this info ... Thanks in

 advance. 





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: Jacque <jacque@iquest.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:14:35 -0600

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I've done considerable reading on SJW and I've not heard of danger

regarding long-term use and certainly not brain hemmorage. Please give

more info. This is quite alarming.

TIA

j-





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: "SilDra" <jennifer.swaim.3@nd.edu>

Date: 12 Nov 1997 06:09:52 GMT

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> > I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not

noticed any

> >  difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start

feeling a

> >  difference?





I have heard that St. John's wort works on the same basis (neurochemistry

that I won't delve into) as Prozac and other similar anti-depressants.  If

this is true, it can take anywhere from 1 to 6 weeks to produce a noticable

result

SilDra





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: jyoti@canspam.mango.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 03:07:49 GMT

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In article <01bcef4a$c7af3ce0$b6fb4a81@jswaim.nd.edu>, "SilDra" 

<jennifer.swaim.3@nd.edu> wrote:



> > > I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not

> noticed any

> > >  difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start

> feeling a

> > >  difference?

> 

> 

> I have heard that St. John's wort works on the same basis (neurochemistry

> that I won't delve into) as Prozac and other similar anti-depressants.  If

> this is true, it can take anywhere from 1 to 6 weeks to produce a noticable

> result

> SilDra



I've been reading everything I could get my hands on about SJW and 

depression for the last year or so, and it seems that both SJW and Prozac 

are concerned with the same brain chemical, serotonin, but in very 

different ways.  Prozac belongs to a group of drugs that block the body's 

natural re-uptake of serotonin, while SJW stimultates the body to produce 

more serotonin.  Low levels of serotonin have been linked to depression 

and sleep disorders.



SJW must be taken in a very specific strength and quantity to work, and 

usually takes 2-6 weeks to show results.  BTW,  serotonin is made in the 

body from the amino acid tryptophan, and the process is facilitated by 

certain B vitamins.  Animals that are deprived of tryptophan end up with 

low serotonin levels and the resultant mood problems.  I recently heard 

that tryptophan supplements are still available over the counter in 

Cananda and by prescription in the USA.  Can anyone confirm this.  It 

seems like it would be a good idea to supplement tryptophan while taking 

SJW.



Bruce

Sendai, Japan





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:27:57 GMT

--------

On 6 Nov 1997 19:28:12 GMT, lphill7983@aol.com (LPhill7983) wrote:



>Hello,

>I have been taking St. Johns Wort for about 3 weeks and have not noticed any

> difference. Does anyone know how long it takes before you start feeling a

> difference?



	If you are taking it as an antidepressant, which is it's most

popular use of late, then the same rules apply to SJW as to other Rx

antidepressants. It should be given up to 6 weeks at the standard

recommended dosage before its efficacy can be evaluated. The standard

adult dose of SJW, for the treatment of depression, is 300mg(0.3%

hypericin) X3 daily. If you have been using it for 6 weeks at this

dosage, and you have not experienced a significantly positive effect,

then it is time to try something else. But be sure to check the

*hypericin content*, which is the "active ingredient" in SJW. It

*must* be 0.3%!! If it is not, then the SJW you are taking may very

well have no effect at all. At best, it may help a little, but not

enough to be worth your while. If the brand doesn't state the

hypericin content, then I would see that as a big red flag that it's

rubbish and I wouldn't waste my time or money on it. 

	Bottom line, you wouldn't take vitamins, OTC drugs, or Rx

drugs without knowing how much of the "active ingredient" you are

getting. So you should demand no less of your herbal medications. 

Hope this helps.



GCM

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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: Gerald Smith <Jsmith@en.com>

Date: 13 Nov 1997 20:43:44 GMT

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jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>

............ But be sure to check the> *hypericin content*, which..>

 *must* be 0.3%!! If it is not, then the SJW you are taking may very

> well have no effect at all. At best, it may help a little, but not

> enough to be worth your while. If the brand doesn't state the

> hypericin content, then I would see that as a big red flag that it's

> rubbish and I wouldn't waste my time or money on it. 

> 	Bottom line, you wouldn't take vitamins, OTC drugs, or Rx

> drugs without knowing how much of the "active ingredient" you are

> getting. So you should demand no less of your herbal medications. 

> Hope this helps.

> 

> GCM

> ****Remove SPAMBLOCKER to reply



Hi to all!  Be very careful, fellow herb lovers! Not every herb we 

take needs to have the so called active ingredients "extracted",

"concentrated", and/or "standardized". If we let all herbs be treated

this way then eventually all herbs will be legally treated as medicine

by the FDA.(They want to do this now, of course). Also please do not

call pure, natural herbs "rubbish" because the exact content of the

active ingredient(s) is not stated on the bottle. Our ancesters used

herbs for thousands of years without knowing "all this" yet were cured

in most cases anyway if they used the right herb for the condition

they had. Remember in many herbs we still do not know for sure the 

"active" ingredient(s)! Much more could be said on this subject but

I'm out of time now. I hope others will take this up....

                    In good health through (natural) herbs, Jerry

                    jsmith@en.com





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:48:20 GMT

--------

Gerald Smith <Jsmith@en.com> wrote:



>jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>>

>>........... But be sure to check the *hypericin content*, which..

>> *must* be 0.3%!!

>> 	Bottom line, you wouldn't take vitamins, OTC drugs, or Rx

>> drugs without knowing how much of the "active ingredient" you are

>> getting. So you should demand no less of your herbal medications. 



>Hi to all!  Be very careful, fellow herb lovers! Not every herb we 

>take needs to have the so called active ingredients "extracted",

>"concentrated", and/or "standardized".

>

>Remember in many herbs we still do not know for sure the 

>"active" ingredient(s)! 



Taking SJW for the "standardized" hypericin is not a very wholistic

approach to wellness. Why not dispense with the herb altogether and

simply take the active ingredient in a tiny capsule or an injection?



Herbs are not drugs. Standardizing them simply undermines the natural

approach to wellness.



Herbs are foods for the body and, as such, should be treated as foods.

I don't buy my cabbage "standardized"... I don't buy my SJW

standardized.



If you want important labels on your herbs then try labels that say:

	- nonirradiated

	- certified organic

	- approved by [insert national herbalist organization]

	- co-operatively produced

	- not bioengineered

	- NIMH standard extract

	- unadulterated



Saint John's Wort is a very complex herb in its own right. SJW,

properly prepared, is the best one can want. Wholistic health is a

macro thing, not a micro-analytical thing.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: ARS <hfksales@javanet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:04:42 -0500

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I second this response!  Humans are not standardized, why should our herbs

be?



More and more people are intrigued by alternative health care. While the

trend

         is exciting for both retailer and manufacturer, it is also a

daunting educational

         task. One complex, confusing and controversial topic is

"standardization" of

         herbal supplements.



         When an extract is called "standardized" it signifies using

laboratory techniques

         to guarantee a specific amount of a "marker" compound. Marker

compounds are

         either a plant's unique constituent or so-called "active"

ingredient. There are

         numerous ways to standardize a product. Some ethical companies

mix and match

         batches of whole plant extracts (full spectrum) to attain desired

levels of

         certain constituents.



         Other companies "spike" their products by adding amounts of

specific compounds.

         Sometimes a single constituent becomes the product. Occasionally

the process of

         isolating and quantifying particular "marker compounds" involves

using harsh

         chemical solvents such as hexane. Standardization may appeal to

people accustomed

         to seeing numbers on their medicine bottles (such as "X" mg. per

dosage).

         Unfortunately, because its definition is so nebulous and plants

work differently

         than pharmaceutical drugs, standardization is not necessarily a

valid indicator

         of either quality or efficacy.



         One major drawback of standardization is conflicting information

regarding the

         same herb. A quick look at old and new industry magazines, or

even a jaunt down

         some HABA aisles, will elucidate the problem. Each manufacturer

that standardizes

         extracts may do so not only in different ratios, but sometimes to

completely

         different constituents. Scientists are continuously discovering,

and then

         refuting, the latest data regarding which constituent is

"active."



         Another concern is this: Compared to the body of knowledge that

endorses

         traditional use of herbs, standardized herbs are virtually

untested on humans.

         Side effects are appearing from using standardized extracts. This

is causing

         some scientists and retailers to ponder something traditional

herbalists have

         always believed: the pharmacological activity of a medicinal

plant is a result

         of the synergy of all its constituents.



         Herbs for Kids is a traditional herb company. We believe that

all of a plant's

         constituents are essential to the integrity of the plant as

herbal medicine.

         The strength of an herbal extract comes from well-nourished soil,

careful

         growing, proper harvesting and premium traditional extraction

techniques.

         Herbs for Kids makes extracts with the highest quality Certified

Organic and

         ethically wildharvested plants available. We do not believe

anyone can improve

         on Nature's creations.



         Conversely, it is easy to deplete a plant's integrity using

inappropriate or

         excessive processing techniques. Herbs for Kids uses the same

type of batch

         methods outlined in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia. The products we

create are based

         on hundreds of years of traditional usage. Our products are

minimally

         processed for safe and effective potency. Herbs for Kids

believes that herbal

         medicine is best left to traditional herbal medicine-making

techniques.



J. Mark Taylor wrote:



> Gerald Smith <Jsmith@en.com> wrote:

>

> >jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

> >>

> >>........... But be sure to check the *hypericin content*, which..

> >> *must* be 0.3%!!

> >>      Bottom line, you wouldn't take vitamins, OTC drugs, or Rx

> >> drugs without knowing how much of the "active ingredient" you are

> >> getting. So you should demand no less of your herbal medications.

>

> >Hi to all!  Be very careful, fellow herb lovers! Not every herb we

> >take needs to have the so called active ingredients "extracted",

> >"concentrated", and/or "standardized".

> >

> >Remember in many herbs we still do not know for sure the

> >"active" ingredient(s)!

>

> Taking SJW for the "standardized" hypericin is not a very wholistic

> approach to wellness. Why not dispense with the herb altogether and

> simply take the active ingredient in a tiny capsule or an injection?

>

> Herbs are not drugs. Standardizing them simply undermines the natural

> approach to wellness.

>

> Herbs are foods for the body and, as such, should be treated as foods.

> I don't buy my cabbage "standardized"... I don't buy my SJW

> standardized.

>

> If you want important labels on your herbs then try labels that say:

>         - nonirradiated

>         - certified organic

>         - approved by [insert national herbalist organization]

>         - co-operatively produced

>         - not bioengineered

>         - NIMH standard extract

>         - unadulterated

>

> Saint John's Wort is a very complex herb in its own right. SJW,

> properly prepared, is the best one can want. Wholistic health is a

> macro thing, not a micro-analytical thing.

> ___

> jmt

>

> --

> http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/











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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: Gary Hilbers <ghilbers@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:24:08 +0000

--------







>

>

> Saint John's Wort is a very complex herb in its own right. SJW,

> properly prepared, is the best one can want. Wholistic health is a

> macro thing, not a micro-analytical thing.

> ___

> jmt

>

> --



Being very new to the ancient arts, I joined this list to learn. So I will

ask. What is the proper way to prepare St. Johns Wort?



                   The Hilbs







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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 05:03:14 GMT

--------

On 13 Nov 1997 20:43:44 GMT, Gerald Smith <Jsmith@en.com> wrote:



>jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>>

>............ But be sure to check the> *hypericin content*, which..>

> *must* be 0.3%!! If it is not, then the SJW you are taking may very

>> well have no effect at all. 

Notice that I said it *may* have no effect. My point being is that you

are forced to guess if it does not say.

>Hi to all!  Be very careful, fellow herb lovers! Not every herb we 

>take needs to have the so called active ingredients "extracted",

>"concentrated", and/or "standardized". 

No, they don't. But I believe it is important to know how much of the

herb you are getting. And in the case of SJW for depression, hypericin

is the active component and it's success/failure *does* depend on the

hypericin content. So that would be considered relevant information.

Yes, the hypericin content in SJW is *very* important when treating

depression. There are numerous studies that have *proven* that the

hypericin content is important. I myself have bought SJW before that

did *not* specify the hypericin content. Some of it produced

satisfactory results and some of it was quite inferior, which produced

widely varying degrees of success/failure in treating my depression.

This is something that someone with a depressive disorder cannot

afford to play Russian Roullette with. If it doesn't work, then I

start to feel worse within a few days. And basically I have wasted my

time and money, because now I have to go out and buy one that *does*

work. So there is *definitely* something to the "how much?" factor

here. The research studies have shown that the various SJW teas are

the *least* effective preparations overall, ranging from no benefit at

all to very mild benefits at best. And they have also shown that

SJW(0.3% hypericin) 300mg X3 daily is the *most* effective dosage

overall, producing any noticable results within 6 weeks. So in the

case of St. John's Wort, in the treatment of depression, it really

does matter. A lot.

>If we let all herbs be treated

>this way then eventually all herbs will be legally treated as medicine

>by the FDA.(They want to do this now, of course).

	Herbs can still be sold OTC, even if they are regulated. Just

look at all the OTC drugs, vitamins, & minerals out there on the

shelf.

	I am an "herb lover" myself and even I can recognize the need

for some type of regulations on the *commercially prepared* ones. I do

not agree with the people who are trying to make them prescription

only meds in order to achieve that goal, but the public does deserve a

certain degree of protection that guarantees what is in that pill they

are buying and putting into their body. If not, then there could be

only a tiny microbe of herb "X" in it, yet they will still be allowed

to market it as "HERB X". And we have no way of knowing how much of

herb "X" is really in it unless they are required to tell us (and

prove it too). There is a big difference between 400IU of vitamin E

and 1000IU of vitamin E. On the same note, there can be a huge

difference in SJW that is simply labeled SJW, with no other info to

follow. 

> Also please do not

>call pure, natural herbs "rubbish" because the exact content of the

>active ingredient(s) is not stated on the bottle. 

It is not the *herbs* that I was calling rubbish. Rather, the careless

preparation of them in order to make a quick buck off of unsuspecting

consumers. For every honest business out there, there are hundreds

more who could care less if you get a quality product or not. For some

herbal meds, this type of guesswork could prove to be a dangerous

venture.

>Our ancesters used

>herbs for thousands of years without knowing "all this" yet were cured

>in most cases anyway if they used the right herb for the condition

>they had. 

>Remember in many herbs we still do not know for sure the 

>"active" ingredient(s)!

But, in most cases, there is some idea of how much is beneficial and

how much can actually be too much. Even when the "active" ingredient

has not been isolated, there is other useful info which can be

specified. Such as how many mg/tablet and sometimes even what *part*

of the plant is used is important. Some herbs have multiple uses as

well, and their dosage/preparation depends on what you are treating.

And if they are regulated in the way that vitamins are, then there

will be more of a demand for them to find out exactly what each one is

reputed to do. Which would make it much easier for people to find the

appropriate herb for their ailment.

	

JMHO,

GCM



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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: ross_NOSPAM@together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 21:37:22 GMT

--------

In article <3476d124.12826831@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>, jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>On 13 Nov 1997 20:43:44 GMT, Gerald Smith <Jsmith@en.com> wrote:

>

>>jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>>>

>>............ But be sure to check the> *hypericin content*, which..>

>> *must* be 0.3%!! If it is not, then the SJW you are taking may very

>>> well have no effect at all. 

>Notice that I said it *may* have no effect. My point being is that you

>are forced to guess if it does not say.

>>Hi to all!  Be very careful, fellow herb lovers! Not every herb we 

>>take needs to have the so called active ingredients "extracted",

>>"concentrated", and/or "standardized". 

>No, they don't. But I believe it is important to know how much of the

>herb you are getting. And in the case of SJW for depression, hypericin

>is the active component and it's success/failure *does* depend on the

>hypericin content. So that would be considered relevant information.

>Yes, the hypericin content in SJW is *very* important when treating

>depression. There are numerous studies that have *proven* that the

>hypericin content is important.



Could you cite which studies these are?  My understanding is that hypericin is 

a marker for SJW extracts to acheive the desired potency.  That is, if the 

extract contains 0.3% hypericin then it should have all the other compounds in 

relative amounts.  It is sill unclear which compunds are anti-depressant and 

how they function.



Similarly, is not a tincture (x:y) or a fluidextract (1:1) of a 

known part of a known herb (e.g. Hypericum perfoliatum flowering 

tops) "standardized"?



> I myself have bought SJW before that

>did *not* specify the hypericin content. Some of it produced

>satisfactory results and some of it was quite inferior, which produced

>widely varying degrees of success/failure in treating my depression.

>This is something that someone with a depressive disorder cannot

>afford to play Russian Roullette with. If it doesn't work, then I

>start to feel worse within a few days. And basically I have wasted my

>time and money, because now I have to go out and buy one that *does*

>work. So there is *definitely* something to the "how much?" factor

>here. The research studies have shown that the various SJW teas are

>the *least* effective preparations overall, ranging from no benefit at

>all to very mild benefits at best. And they have also shown that

>SJW(0.3% hypericin) 300mg X3 daily is the *most* effective dosage

>overall, producing any noticable results within 6 weeks. So in the

>case of St. John's Wort, in the treatment of depression, it really

>does matter. A lot.

>>If we let all herbs be treated

>>this way then eventually all herbs will be legally treated as medicine

>>by the FDA.(They want to do this now, of course).

>        Herbs can still be sold OTC, even if they are regulated. Just

>look at all the OTC drugs, vitamins, & minerals out there on the

>shelf.

>        I am an "herb lover" myself and even I can recognize the need

>for some type of regulations on the *commercially prepared* ones. I do

>not agree with the people who are trying to make them prescription

>only meds in order to achieve that goal, but the public does deserve a

>certain degree of protection that guarantees what is in that pill they

>are buying and putting into their body. If not, then there could be

>only a tiny microbe of herb "X" in it, yet they will still be allowed

>to market it as "HERB X". And we have no way of knowing how much of

>herb "X" is really in it unless they are required to tell us (and

>prove it too). There is a big difference between 400IU of vitamin E

>and 1000IU of vitamin E. On the same note, there can be a huge

>difference in SJW that is simply labeled SJW, with no other info to

>follow. 

>> Also please do not

>>call pure, natural herbs "rubbish" because the exact content of the

>>active ingredient(s) is not stated on the bottle. 

>It is not the *herbs* that I was calling rubbish. Rather, the careless

>preparation of them in order to make a quick buck off of unsuspecting

>consumers. For every honest business out there, there are hundreds

>more who could care less if you get a quality product or not. For some

>herbal meds, this type of guesswork could prove to be a dangerous

>venture.

>>Our ancesters used

>>herbs for thousands of years without knowing "all this" yet were cured

>>in most cases anyway if they used the right herb for the condition

>>they had. 

>>Remember in many herbs we still do not know for sure the 

>>"active" ingredient(s)!

>But, in most cases, there is some idea of how much is beneficial and

>how much can actually be too much. Even when the "active" ingredient

>has not been isolated, there is other useful info which can be

>specified. Such as how many mg/tablet and sometimes even what *part*

>of the plant is used is important. Some herbs have multiple uses as

>well, and their dosage/preparation depends on what you are treating.

>And if they are regulated in the way that vitamins are, then there

>will be more of a demand for them to find out exactly what each one is

>reputed to do. Which would make it much easier for people to find the

>appropriate herb for their ailment.

>        

>JMHO,

>GCM

>

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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: "K. Shelton" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:24:36 -0600

--------

For whatever its worth...

I think there is a lot to be said for using fresh harvested tops in

tincture. The capsules, even though 'standardized' did not help me, my

homemade tincture works well in my case. When I changed from tincture to

caps, I had a relapse of depression and lack of attention. Recipe for

tincture is at my website. http://edge.net/~nature



Karen Shelton











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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: Stanley <so@bigfoot.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:01:12 -0800

--------

Gregory Harris wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I am looking for information on SJW as I am seriously considering

> taking it.  I understand that it can help with enhancing the mood and

> elevating depressive symptoms. I assume it assists the serotonin

> levels in the brain?  Is it an 'all natural' substance?  Does it

> combine well with other 'man-made' medication?  Is there any medical

> literature available on the Net or books that I could purchase?

> 

> Could you please email any answers to this address: greg025@IBM.net

> 

> I thank you all in advance for your responses.

> 

> Kind Regards,

> 

> Jo Kempton

> (greg025@ibm.net)



I may be of a little help.  I was on Prozac for several years and 

switched to SJW and it worked for me.  Each person is different as is 

each companies products.  Some are more pure that others.  The SJW that I 

used was sold by Nature's Sunshine.  By The Way I am not a Nature's 

Sunshine dealer, just a happy user of there product.

-- 

Sincerely, Stanley

Website: http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~stanley/

Nature's Vineyard: http://www.freeyellow.com/members/dixie/index.html



Unsolicited commercial e-mail is deleted by SMartMail.









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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 12 Nov 1997 02:51:36 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>Bree Pickett wrote:

>>>Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6monthes.  In

>some people

>>>they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.



BlessedBy2 wrote:

> Would you possibly be able to quote the source of this

>information?? 



WL Sakowski wrote:

> I requested a "source" for the same thing,

>the *first* time I say this post... am *still* waiting the same info

>that (in this packet, alone,) already contains about *three* requests

>for this same information...  I think I've been waiting for about two

>months, tho, so I hope all who would like to have reference to the

>material about "hemmoraging")  are *patient*...

>

>Frankly, as this has been handled, I have my doubts as to the validity

>of the information.  (I usually *do*, tho, when someone begins their

>'thought' with  "they say...".

>

>For what it's worth...

>

>cheers,

>WL Sakowski





Actually, I did receive a private response claiming the source of this

 information to be the "1997 Publication of the Home Remidies (sic) Handbook

 put out by the Consumer Panel of Food and Drugs."   As I found this very

 difficult to believe, I haven't actually dashed off to the library to look

 this one up.  I did do a search of amazon.com, and no such book seems to

 exist, so if anyone finds this, let us know !!  Methinks someone who sells

 Prozac wrote the message about hemorraging !!!







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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort

From: steon@earthlink.net

Date: 12 Nov 1997 04:18:52 GMT

--------

In article <19971112025101.VAA02746@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) wrote:



> X-No-Archive: yes

> >Bree Pickett wrote:

> >>>Also, when taking SJW, DO NOT take it for longer than 6monthes.  In

> >some people

> >>>they have found that it will cause brain hemmoraging.

>> 

(snip)



I've been taking SJW steadily for about three years now, and my brain has

not hemorrhaged.  How does a brain hemorrhage?  Does that mean blood

vessels burst and flood the brain?  Wouldn't that be what is commonly

called a stroke?  Wouldn't a sudden upsurge of strokes among SJW consumers

be pretty damn noticeable?  



Or does *brain hemorrhage* mean the brain's liquid content flows somewhere

and causes problems?  (Ask your doctor about that and watch him keel over

laughing.)



SJW is about as benign an useful herb as there is.  Sure, one has to be

careful about anything one ingests, but I personally think SJW has far

fewer side effects than, say, Prozac or Zoloft (as another reply

mentioned).  I've also used it constantly in high altitude desert areas

(New Mexico), and though I'm Scotch-Irish descent, I did not get the

terrible sunburn I keep hearing about.  The sunburns are rare and the

hemorrhaging brains are in the heads of the people who originated this

scary nonsense.



Love, anyway,



Steon





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Subject: St J and ADHD

From: Tony Avona <tavona@comsource.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:47:32 -0600

--------

Has any one ever used St.J to treat a child with ADHD? I know it is

great for depression having taken it my self. My son has ADHD and was on

10mg 2x a day. It helped him to do his school work with out making him a

zombie. The problem we had with it was he was experiencing blurred

vission (which is not a factory labeled side effect). After having eye

exams and blood tests the doctor blew him off as "just wanting glasses"

or attention. I decided to take him off of it and put him on picnogynol

with very little results, except for the vission problem disapearring.

After reading from The Naturopathic Handbook of Herbal Forulas, by

Herbal Research Publications, Inc.. It suggested that I use Melissa

Supreme, compounded from several herbs,and CA poppy and Passionflower

vine to enhance the effects of the Melissa Supreme. With everything

combined + a good muilty vit. was still not enough to keep him from

falling behind in school. I have had to put him back on the ritalin, but

have reduce his dose to only 5mg 1x a day with no side effects as of

yet,so far his grades are back to where they should be. I am hopeful of

one day being able to take him off the ritalin completely. Any info on

St.J and ADD/ADHD or any other herbs that I might try would be greatly

appreciated. I forgot to include that he is also taking ginko. Thanks







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Subject: Re: St J and ADHD

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 7 Nov 1997 00:45:14 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>My son has ADHD and was on

>10mg 2x a day.



10 mg. of SJW???  No, you must mean Ritalin.  Have you looked into Kava??  My

 son can't take psychostimulants (Ritalin), but Kava really helped him

 concentrate.  Unfortunately, I had to take him off of it quickly, because it

 seemed to act like Ritalin, so he can't take Kava either.  We all take SJW and

 I don't see that it helps with ADHD. 





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Subject: Re: St J and ADHD

From: jwalkerh@mindspring.com (EEOPro)

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 23:21:56 GMT

--------

Tony,

I have just started on the "natural alternatives to Ritalin" path so I

can't tell you much yet but I can share a source of info- Dr. Skye

Weintraub wrote a book "Natural Alternatives for ADD and

Hyperactivity".  It was published 9 months ago or so.  She also has a

new book out on allergies (just printed; I'm on a wait-list for a

copy).  She discusses herbs, flower essences and cell salts fairly

extensively.  I found info in her book that I have not seen elsewhere

re specific uses of herbs.

Hope this helps.

Jeny



P.s. Hi BB2! 







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Subject: Herb suppliers in the U.K.?

From: shgilb@aol.com (SHGilb)

Date: 6 Nov 1997 19:09:08 GMT

--------

HI THERE,

Can anyone tell me where I can buy False Unicorn Root in tincture form in the

 U.K please?  I am based in Birmingham but am travelling to London soon so

 could get supplies from there, or through the post. Thanks for helping me out,

Helen. 





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Subject: FDA wants herbs as prescription drugs

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:37:57 -0800

--------

I have posted *VITAL* information regarding the FDA's attempt to turn

vitamins and herbal remedies into prescription drugs here:



http://ayurvedahc.com/fda.htm



feel free to copy these pages for use on your own home page





-- 

Ayurveda Holistic Center http://ayurvedahc.com  

2-Year certification program (correspondence/residential);

Consultations, 

herbal products, bookstore, free dosha self-test, 10 articles, photos; 

Jyotish Astrology consultations





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Subject: Re: Nettles

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:01:07 -0900

--------

Fred,

Yes there are. I have posted recipes to help with hair loss.

Different herbs are called for in different recipes. Some of these herbs are rosemary, garlic, and cayenne.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Fred Morenberg wrote in message ...

>Hi:

>

>Sorry to say there are no natural products that will stop hair loss.  There are

>however two products that can achieve that result.  Monixidil (Rogaine) and

>Finasteride (Proscar).

>

>If you want to find out about hair loss try the newsgroup alt.baldspot.

>

>Have a nice day,

>

>FRED









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Subject: Ma Huang

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca

Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:56:27 GMT

--------





I've heard that Ma Huang is helpful in raising metabolism and burning fat due 

to this stimulation of the body..... what would be a safe, yet effective daily 

dosage of Ma Huang if used for this purpose?



I have some capsules that contain 300mg each of Ma Huang.... but I think this 

was too much for me.



Thanks.







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Subject: Re: Ma Huang

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 07:53:23 -0800

--------

Ma Huang has also been known to cause heart palpitations. Be careful how you

use it.



Bob





mmcavoy@escape.ca wrote in message <63uhjb$icf$3@postern.mbnet.mb.ca>...

:

:

:I've heard that Ma Huang is helpful in raising metabolism and burning fat

due

:to this stimulation of the body..... what would be a safe, yet effective

daily

:dosage of Ma Huang if used for this purpose?

:

:I have some capsules that contain 300mg each of Ma Huang.... but I think

this

:was too much for me.

:

:Thanks.

:

:









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Subject: Ma Huang

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 97 00:21:20 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 m> Date: 7 Nov 1997 07:56:27 GMT

 m> Subject: Ma Huang

 m> From: mmcavoy@escape.ca



 m> I've heard that Ma Huang is helpful in raising metabolism and

burning fat due to

 m> this stimulation of the body..... what would be a safe, yet

effective daily dosage

 m> of Ma Huang if used for this purpose?



As Ma Huang is useful for other things as well, other factors should

also be considered.  However, as I *have* taken Ma Huang as a

metalolism stimulant, I feel that I can speak into your question.  I

have used two different products (with Ma Huang, along with other

herbs).

Both standardized,  one delivered  12.5mg,  the other, 14mg.  I take

from 60-80mg/day (and *none* past 4:00).  I don't experience anything

but 'good' from taking it.  I *do* treat it with respect.



 m> I have some capsules that contain 300mg each of Ma Huang.... but I

think this was

 m> too much for me.



I'm afraid that 300mg of Ma Huang would be "too much for me", too. 

However, you might find that, if your product has been standardized,

the "300mg" that they indicate, may not deliver that much of the actual

alkaloids.  Read further, (or perhaps contact the source for more

info.)

That's alot of ephedra...



I should also tell you that it is very friendly to me and my system...

and works well for us...

(we have three family members who use it from time to time... we are

allergy suffers and it

has benefits for us in that area, as well.   It is, however, an herb

that demands respect, as it will not stand for abuse.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Ma Huang cultivation

From: "NHAdapt" <nhadapt@cyberportal.net>

Date: 7 Nov 1997 12:38:20 GMT

--------

 Ma Huang:

  Is there anyone on this newsgroup familiar with cultivating this plant?



Tom Cagle

nh-adapt@juno.com

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6482





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Subject: Re: Ma Huang cultivation

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 7 Nov 1997 11:19:14 -0700

--------

In article <01bceb7a$0c8f8100$7deb61cc@nhadapt>,

NHAdapt <nhadapt@cyberportal.net> wrote:

> Ma Huang:

>  Is there anyone on this newsgroup familiar with cultivating this plant?

>

>Tom Cagle

>nh-adapt@juno.com

>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6482





It's very easy to grow. You plant it, and it grows.  It is cold and

drought tolerant. At least the variety that grows here in New Mexico is,

which might not be the Chinese Ma Huang but is nonetheless ephedra.  



Kristen





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Subject: Re: Ma Huang cultivation

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:37:46 -0500

--------

"Mormon Tea" is a type of ephedra that grows fairly abundantly over much

of the western US. It contains very small amounts of ephedrine compared

to Chinese ephedra (Ma Huang). 



Herbal preparations that contain 300 mg of herb contain who knows how

much of the active ingredients.  Over the counter decongestants contain

30 mg ephedrine or pseudoephedrine for the red "M and Ms" to 120 mg for

the time released 12 hour caplets. 



Ephedrine can definitely overstimulate the body - people with thyroid

conditions, heart problems, or high blood pressure are advised to avoid

it all together. There have been several deaths due to overdosage in the

past few months - thrillseeking teenagers and over zealous bodybuilders

and dieters. It can be good for sinus drainage, but has some real risks

attached to its use.  I don't believe that there is a safe dose for

prolonged daily use. 





Jonathan Byron



kristen marie davenport wrote:

> 

> In article <01bceb7a$0c8f8100$7deb61cc@nhadapt>,

> NHAdapt <nhadapt@cyberportal.net> wrote:

> > Ma Huang:

> >  Is there anyone on this newsgroup familiar with cultivating this plant?

> >

> >Tom Cagle

> >nh-adapt@juno.com

> >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6482

> 

> It's very easy to grow. You plant it, and it grows.  It is cold and

> drought tolerant. At least the variety that grows here in New Mexico is,

> which might not be the Chinese Ma Huang but is nonetheless ephedra.

> 

> Kristen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Royal Jelly

From: "pjg" <pjg@orac.net.au>

Date: 7 Nov 1997 14:45:33 GMT

--------

Can anyone advise me of websites on Royal Jelly.



I don't wish to order, I'm trying to write a paper on it.  Th eonly

websites I can find are for companies which sell it by mail order.



Thanks in advance,



Penny





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Subject: Herb Suppliers

From: Mortbuy@atlantic.net

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 20:33:24 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of a good supplier of powdered and powered extract

herbs in the U.S? I have purchased from Star West in CA., but find

their quality and service less than acceptable. I am looking to buy in

pound or kilo quantities.







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Subject: Re: Herb Suppliers

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:22:16 -0600

--------

Try Frontier at http://www.frontierherb.com/



They have both wholesale and retail sales. 



Carole





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Suppliers

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:50:23 GMT

--------

In article <34635C58.5774@full-moon.com>, Crone  <mamajaz@full-moon.com> wrote:

>Try Frontier at http://www.frontierherb.com/

>

>They have both wholesale and retail sales. 

>

>Carole



Here's something funny from that website:



      Cryogenic grinding is a method of powdering herbs at sub-zero

      temperatures ranging from 0 to minus 700F. The herbs are frozen with

      liquid nitrogen as they are being ground. This process does not damage or

      alter the chemical composition of the plant in any way. Normal grinding

      processes which do not use a cooling system can reach up to 2000F. These

      high temperatures can reduce volatile components and heat-sensitive

      constituents in herbs. The cryogenic grinding process starts with

      air-dried herbs, rather than freeze-dried herbs.



Whoever wrote this is obviously totally clueless.  The

coldest temperature on the Fahrenheit scale is about

half a degree below minus 459F.  The idea that the

competition heats their herbs up to 2000F is equally

bogus.  This website is full of made-up factoids.













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Subject: Re: Herb Suppliers

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:26:37 -0500

--------

Mark, is it possible those last zeros are actually *degrees* symbols?  -70 F

and +200 F are certainly reasonable temperatures.



>Here's something funny from [Frontier's] website:

>

>      Cryogenic grinding is a method of powdering herbs at sub-zero

>      temperatures ranging from 0 to minus 700F.

<snip>

>      Normal grinding

>      processes which do not use a cooling system can reach up to 2000F.



>Whoever wrote this is obviously totally clueless.

>This website is full of made-up factoids.



That has not been my experience.  While I may not agree with everything

Frontier says on their website, the herb fact sheets in particular are well

written and seem well-researched.



-RJO











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To: Mortbuy@atlantic.net

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herb Suppliers

From: Joannine <tika_waylan@geocities.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:36:04 -0600

--------

Mortbuy@atlantic.net wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of a good supplier of powdered and powered extract

> herbs in the U.S? I have purchased from Star West in CA., but find

> their quality and service less than acceptable. I am looking to buy in

> pound or kilo quantities.

check out www.ritchers.com...they will send you a free catalog...and

www.frontierherb.com they also sell a machine to encapsluate your

powdered herbs......in bulk quanities they are really good....they will

also send you a free catalog..

		tika





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Source for unusual seeds

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 01:43:05 GMT

--------

I remember there was a company called The Seedsman (actually,

one person I think) who only would do business by snail mail.

He had a catalog that listed a huge number of obscure seeds,

in alphabetical order by scientific name.  Does anyone have

an address for him?  How much does he charge for the catalog?



Is anyone aware of other companies that offer similarly

large selections of obscure plant seeds?









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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207)

Date: 8 Nov 1997 06:31:30 GMT

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Meadowood Cottage-seeds...PO Box 86042....Portland, Oregon...97286...might be

 able to help....they sell wildflower and herb seeds...possibly know where to

 find rare seeds you are seeking...

Susie





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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: marinab@oro.net (Marina Bokelman)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 07:15:01 GMT

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eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



>I remember there was a company called The Seedsman (actually,

>one person I think) who only would do business by snail mail.

>He had a catalog that listed a huge number of obscure seeds,

>in alphabetical order by scientific name.  Does anyone have

>an address for him?  How much does he charge for the catalog?



>Is anyone aware of other companies that offer similarly

>large selections of obscure plant seeds?





PC Gardens, P. O. Box 91383, Lakeland, FL 33805 sells unusual and

exotic plant seeds.  Patty Cherundolo found seeds of Amaranthus

tricolor for me.













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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:09:23 -0500

--------

>I remember there was a company called The Seedsman (actually,

>one person I think) who only would do business by snail mail.

>He had a catalog that listed a huge number of obscure seeds,

>in alphabetical order by scientific name.  Does anyone have

>an address for him?  How much does he charge for the catalog?



Originally The Seedsman was a Mr. Saier of Dimondale, Michigan.  Some years

ago he sold the business to J.L. Hudson, of Redwood City, CA.  The address

was later changed to:



J.L. Hudson, Seedsman

Star Route 2, Box 337

La Honda, California, 94020 USA



Send a couple of bucks for a catalog - it's worth it!  The catalog is full

of information about the hundreds of species of plant seeds kept constantly

in stock.  No pictures, no hype, just page after page of species and

descriptions, including cultural information for those plants with more

unusual requirements. The company offers a rich variety of species,

including medicinal and culinary herbs, ornamentals (non-hybrid), vegetable

and fruit, as well as botanical curiosities and collectors items.  There are

also supplementary flyers sent out during the year with new offerings and

species whose seed must be sown while still fresh from the plant.  A

subscription for the flyers is an additional $1.  The price for seed is VERY

reasonable (usually $1.50 per packet), especially considering the scarcity

or unavailability of many of the varieties.  I have been doing business with

the company since it was owned my Mr. Saier and have generally been very

satisfied with the service and seed quality.  The only "drawback" (if you

consider it one) is the complete lack of electronic communications - no

e-mail, no web page, no phone!  The emphasis on variety more than makes up

for this IMHO.



I know this sounds like SPAM, but I have no financial connection with Hudson

(except for the checks I send him every year in return for seeds not offered

anywhere else).



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 14:35:30 GMT

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You can try the following companies for unusual or rare seeds and the like.

http://www.datasync.com/sbe/garden.html

http://www.richters.com

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

http://members.tripod.com/%7Eseedman/index.html



Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: kfloritto@kermode.net

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 03:33:56 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:09:23 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>>I remember there was a company called The Seedsman (actually,

>>one person I think) who only would do business by snail mail.

>>He had a catalog that listed a huge number of obscure seeds,

>>in alphabetical order by scientific name.  Does anyone have

>>an address for him?  How much does he charge for the catalog?

>

>Originally The Seedsman was a Mr. Saier of Dimondale, Michigan.  Some years

>ago he sold the business to J.L. Hudson, of Redwood City, CA.  The address

>was later changed to:

>

>J.L. Hudson, Seedsman

>Star Route 2, Box 337

>La Honda, California, 94020 USA



Richter's is also an excellent source.  They

can be found at http://www.richters.com



The catalog is very informative, free and can

be ordered from their website.



K







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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:28:12 -0500

--------

There was a fellow in California (Redwood?) who had (has?) a great

catalog of unusual plants, and no phone, fax, or email. I will look

through some stacks and try to find the name/address - he used his name,

followed by Seedsman. 



Also, Legendary Ethnobotanicals (near Miami) has many hard to find

herbs. They are on the web. 





Mark Thorson wrote:

> 

> I remember there was a company called The Seedsman (actually,

> one person I think) who only would do business by snail mail.

> He had a catalog that listed a huge number of obscure seeds,

> in alphabetical order by scientific name.  Does anyone have

> an address for him?  How much does he charge for the catalog?

> 

> Is anyone aware of other companies that offer similarly

> large selections of obscure plant seeds?





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Subject: Re: Source for unusual seeds

From: ChroniApolloni@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:14:25 -0800

--------

Hello.



Sounds like James L. Hudson, Seedsman and his Ethnobotanical Catalog of

Seeds. You should be able find it on a search engine, or a book like

Barbara Barton's *Gardening By Mail* if there isn't already some

electronic version of online. 



No, wait I found mine: the address for catologs ONLY is J. L. Hudson,

Seedsman, PO Box 1058, Redwood City, CA 94064. 



The Catalog is still probably $1. There's a different address on the

catalog for when you go to order seeds.



Peace!  

Chronos Apollonios // ChroniApolloni@webtv.net ~~The World Seed Fund,

c/o Abundant Life Seed Foundation, PO Box 772, 1029 Lawrence St., Port

Townsend, WA 98368~~Rex Research, PO Box 19250, Jean, NV 89109





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative,alt.business

Subject: Re: Medicinal Herb Market

From: "Virgil H. Huston Jr." <huston@angel-net.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:03:33 -0500

--------

Conrad Richter wrote:

> 

> sthoele@veber.com writes:

> 

> > I am doing some research on the market for medicinal herbs.  Does anyone

> > know where I can find current data on the estimated total size of this

> > market in North America as well as worldwide.  Any help would be greatly

> > appreciated.  My e-mail address is sthoele@veber.com.  Thank you.

> 

> HerbalGram had an article in 1994 (Grunwald) that reported that the

> medicinal herbs market was $1.5 billion.  The market is at least

> $2 billion now, probably even higher.

> 

If you are doing this research for the purpose of producing herbs for

the market, I wish you luck and offer a caution. I've looked into it and

found that wholesale prices are quite low for most herbs, especially

those that are easy to grow. The major problem is that most herbs are

imported from countries with an already developed growing industry

and/or third world countries with extremely cheap labor. Thus, the

prices are way too low to make a living from unless you do it on a very

large scale. Harvesting many herbs is also often difficult. For example,

chamomile flowers are very difficult and time consuming to harvest.



Virgil H. Huston Jr.





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Subject: Re: Medicinal Herb Market

From: Borys Polon <blp2369@ksu.edu>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:46:35 +0000

--------

Hello!



I would like to add one more tidbit to Chris' excellent comment.  Though 

mushrooms are not herbs in the classic definition, thay are used in many of 

the same ways.  Note their use for flavoring and eastern medicine.  The USDA 

prohibits the importation of raw fungus into this country.  As a result US 

growers have a protected market in this field.  

-- 

Borys Polon                     ><>

                blp2369@ksu.edu

                http://home.eznet.net/~giovi/BP%20Herba/Home/Home.html





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Subject: Cats and Herbs

From: mark <marknet@midcoast.com.au>

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 14:47:17 +1100

--------

I have recently put in a sand-pit for my kids and have been told that I

will have trouble with cats.I have heard that there are various herbs

that cats don't like.Can anyone suggest which herbs will do the

job.Thank-you in advance.







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Subject: Re: Cats and Herbs

From: prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:28:42

--------





>I have recently put in a sand-pit for my kids and have been told that I

>will have trouble with cats.I have heard that there are various herbs

>that cats don't like.Can anyone suggest which herbs will do the

>job.Thank-you in advance.



Most cats don't like the smell of lemon. Try planting lemon balm around the 

sand box. It's hardy, easy to grow, and is prolific. 



Of course, then you also have lots of lemon balm for teas, cooking 

and potpourri.



 I can't think of anything you could mix in the sand. The cats wouldn't notice 

it until they started to dig.



Good luck,



cottonmouth

prudd@ss1.csd.sc.edu









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Subject: Re: Cats and Herbs

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 8 Nov 1997 13:02:26 -0700

--------

In article <prudd.95.000A7ACD@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU>,  <prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU> wrote:

>

>

>>I have recently put in a sand-pit for my kids and have been told that I

>>will have trouble with cats.I have heard that there are various herbs

>>that cats don't like.Can anyone suggest which herbs will do the

>>job.Thank-you in advance.





You might try posting your question to rec.gardens -- they seem to have

quite a few experts on the topic of keeping a whole variety of animals

away from things.  Can't remember anything in particular, though, because

I don't have much of a cat problem.





Kristen





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Subject: Hawthorns Genus Crataegus as heart tonic

From: "Mark Harrington" <markh@sonic.net>

Date: 8 Nov 1997 07:32:08 GMT

--------

I've recently become aware of the cardiotonic benefits of Hawthorne

(Crataegus oxyacantha or monogyna).  



Do all of the Haw fruit of this genus have these same properties?  



Apparently the Chinese Haw (sorry don't have the name handy at this time)

has the same properties as the European/N. American variety.  Most of the

haw fruit are red, but a few are orange or yellow.  



I was wondering if the red fruit would tend to have more active compound

than the yellow, any ideas?  



I don't have my reference in front of me but I believe the principle

compounds are called OGC's, the same compound is present in red grapes.

It's my understanding that arterial plaque can actually be removed over

time, high and low blood pressure regulated and the arterial wall made more

flexible.  



Apparently the flowering tops and the berries are best used as a tincture. 

It appears that most of the commercial tinctures are just from the berry. 

Several books recommend professional guidance if using a tincture.  I guess

thats because it's easier to take an overdose.  The references I've checked

suggest that Hawthorne is suitable for long term use.  Does anyone know the

symptoms for overexposure to Hawthorne?



Almost all of the herb references seem inadequate when addressing the

toxicology of herbs.  Symptoms of overexposure and dosage levels should

always be included.



I'm planning to grow several varieties of Hawthorn fruit as my home-grown

food medicine.  Any feedback appreciated.

Mark





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Subject: Re: Hawthorns Genus Crataegus as heart tonic

From: wstatler@oneworld.owt.com (William Statler)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 06:48:09 GMT

--------

"Mark Harrington" <markh@sonic.net> wrote:



>I've recently become aware of the cardiotonic benefits of Hawthorne

>(Crataegus oxyacantha or monogyna).



I might be able to contribute a little information (dredged out of

"Herbal Drugs and Phytopharmaceuticals").



>Do all of the Haw fruit of this genus have these same properties?



The German Pharmacopoeia (DAB 10) lists as "official" the fruits of:

  Crataegus laevigata (synonyms C. oxyacantha, C. oxyacanthoides)

  Crataegus monogyna



The leaves are also used as a drug for the same purposes; the

"official" species are the two listed above plus:

  Crataegus pentagyna

  Crataegus nigra

  Crataegus azarolus



>Apparently the Chinese Haw (sorry don't have the name handy at this time)

>has the same properties as the European/N. American variety.



Can't verify that from this book.



>...Most of the haw fruit are red, but a few are orange or yellow.  

>

>I was wondering if the red fruit would tend to have more active compound

>than the yellow, any ideas?



That would be my guess too, but I don't really know.



>I don't have my reference in front of me but I believe the principle

>compounds are called OGC's, the same compound is present in red grapes.



Could that be "OPC", oligomeric procyanidins?  (Also called

leucoanthocyanidins or pycnogenols.)



Here's an interesting comment (from the aforementioned book):

  "Although it has been shown that the oligomeric procyanidins

  are absorbed on oral administration, the recommended daily

  dose of not less than 5 mg is so small that, in spite of

  their pharmacologically proved potency, there must be

  scepticism regarding their therapeutic significance (at

  least as the only supposedly active substances); evidently,

  the therapeutic application of Crataegus depends on the

  combined effects of several different constituents or groups

  of constituents."



So it might be that the OPC's alone are not the only active

ingredient.  Other "suspects" are flavonoids (which are chemically

related to the OPC's), amines (some of which have been shown to be

cardiotonic), and any of the zillion other compounds present.



>It's my understanding that arterial plaque can actually be removed over

>time, high and low blood pressure regulated and the arterial wall made more

>flexible.



Well, this book doesn't go as far as that.  But it does seem well

substantiated that hawthorn improves myocardial and coronary blood

flow.



>Apparently the flowering tops and the berries are best used as a tincture. 

>It appears that most of the commercial tinctures are just from the berry.



Or you can make a tea from a teaspoonful of the leaves.  Or, I

suppose, you could eat the berries, or maybe make preserves.



>Several books recommend professional guidance if using a tincture.  I guess

>thats because it's easier to take an overdose.  The references I've checked

>suggest that Hawthorne is suitable for long term use.  Does anyone know the

>symptoms for overexposure to Hawthorne?



You develop these huge thorns...



Actually, I think the "professional guidance" thing is because people

are using hawthorn to treat heart problems.  It's generally considered

not a good idea to try to perform amateur diagnosis of your own

cardiac troubles.  Also, it's possible that the "improvement" caused

by hawthorn mught cover up a more serious problem.



(Now having said that, I'll also note that I went ahead and did an

amateur diagnosis of my own heart palpitations, started taking a low

dose of hawthorn daily, and eliminated the palpitations.  [DISCLAIMER:

I AM DOING A STUPID THING.  So there.])



>Almost all of the herb references seem inadequate when addressing the

>toxicology of herbs.  Symptoms of overexposure and dosage levels should

>always be included.



That would be very helpful.  My book says nothing about overdose for

hawthorn, but says there are no known contraindications, side-effects,

or interactions.  My own experience (with dried fruit, or powdered

fruit in capsules) is that it can cause a little drowsiness.



>I'm planning to grow several varieties of Hawthorn fruit as my home-grown

>food medicine.  Any feedback appreciated.



My favorite recipe: hawthorn fruit in green tea.  Originally I tried

doing this with the dried fruits, putting them in a strainer sitting

in the top of my teacup, waiting for them to soften, and then mashing

the pulp through the strainer with the back of a spoon.  This always

resulted in hawthorn berries and seeds binking all over the kitchen,

so now I just dump in half of a 510 mg capsule of powdered fruit.  The

tea's caffeine seems to balance hawthorn's sedative action, and it

even tastes good.



=-=-= Bill Statler =-=-=





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Subject: Re: Hawthorns Genus Crataegus as heart tonic

From: vitality@gate.net (vitality@gate.net)

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:53:51 GMT

--------

"Mark Harrington" <markh@sonic.net> wrote:



>I've recently become aware of the cardiotonic benefits of Hawthorne

>(Crataegus oxyacantha or monogyna).  

<snip>

>I'm planning to grow several varieties of Hawthorn fruit as my home-grown

>food medicine.  Any feedback appreciated.



I have a cat with heart disease, who was in a very life-threatening

condition when we discovered it.  The vet got him to rally with drugs,

but said he'd have to be on them for the rest of his life.  I didn't

want this, believing they would ultimately make him worse.  I began

giving him a homemade heart tonic, the main ingredients of which are a

solid extract of Crataegus olycantha type hawthorne and Co-enzyme Q-10

(other ingredients include motherwort, cayenne, ginseng and olive oil).

I weaned him off the 3 drugs he was on, and for the past 10 months he

has been drug-free and in robust good health.



vitality







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Subject: Herbal Antioxidants

From: "Mark Harrington" <markh@sonic.net>

Date: 8 Nov 1997 07:41:35 GMT

--------

It has come to my attention that herbs can have antioxidant qualities. 

Examples which I am familiar with are Rosemary, Sage, Greek Oregano, and

Ginger.  



How effective can these herbs be if taken fresh from the garden daily and

drunk as a tea?  I try to cycle the herbs I use in this fashion so that I'm

not having the same herb every day for more then 4 days at a time.	



Can they replace some of the traditional vitamin antioxidants such as Vit.

E, C and Beta Carotene?  Or should they be used in conjunction with these

supplements.



I like the idea of being able to grow my own medicine as much as possible. 

Does my approach make sense?  My primary concern is heart disease which

runs in the family.  I'm following most of Dr. Weils recommendations.  



I haven't been taking Selenium.  A friend points out that unless we are

eating 100% organically grown foods we are probably getting very high

levels of Selenium from our food?  Any thoughts on this.



I look forward to any feedback or ideas to bounce.

Mark





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Subject: Re: Herbal Antioxidants

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:21:05 -0500

--------

Green tea (Camellia sinensis) is rich in anti-oxidants. The catechins it

contains (gallates) have antioxidant properties that are several times

stronger than vitamins E or C, when compared milligram for milligram.



Green tea can improve many of the markers for heart disease

(triglycerides, HDL/LDL balance, blood sugar, etc), and might be one

thing that can reduce a person's risk.  But I don't think that they can

substitute for vitamins E + C, which are needed for some specific

functions in addition to their general anti-oxidant function. 



Best wishes,  Jonathan Byron





Mark Harrington wrote:

> 

> It has come to my attention that herbs can have antioxidant qualities.

> Examples which I am familiar with are Rosemary, Sage, Greek Oregano, and

> Ginger.

> 

> How effective can these herbs be if taken fresh from the garden daily and

> drunk as a tea?  I try to cycle the herbs I use in this fashion so that I'm

> not having the same herb every day for more then 4 days at a time.

> 

> Can they replace some of the traditional vitamin antioxidants such as Vit.

> E, C and Beta Carotene?  Or should they be used in conjunction with these

> supplements.

> 

> I like the idea of being able to grow my own medicine as much as possible.

> Does my approach make sense?  My primary concern is heart disease which

> runs in the family.  I'm following most of Dr. Weils recommendations.

> 

> I haven't been taking Selenium.  A friend points out that unless we are

> eating 100% organically grown foods we are probably getting very high

> levels of Selenium from our food?  Any thoughts on this.

> 

> I look forward to any feedback or ideas to bounce.

> Mark





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Subject: Re: Herbal Antioxidants

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:43:06 -0500

--------

>Mark Harrington wrote:

>>

>>

>> I haven't been taking Selenium.  A friend points out that unless we are

>> eating 100% organically grown foods we are probably getting very high

>> levels of Selenium from our food?  Any thoughts on this.





I'm curious as to where your friend got that information.  I would expect

the opposite to be true - that is, selenium levels would tend to be lower in

non-organically grown foods.



To my knowledge (MS in Horticulture), there are no insecticides or

fungicides that contain selenium, so pesticide spray is not a realistic

potential source.



Selenium is naturally present and available in alkaline soils (like Western

US low-rainfall areas), not in acidic soils (like most Eastern US soils,

from areas of high rainfall), because selenium in acidic environments is in

a very insoluble (chemically inactive) form that is inavailable to plant

roots.



Sulfur competes for uptake with selenium, and since sulfur is a major

component of many chemical fertilizers (ammonium sulfate, potassium sulfate,

etc.), and is used (at least on a small scale) to adjust the pH of alkaline

soils to make them more acidic, I would expect lower plant tissue selenium

levels under conventional fertilization compared to organically-managed

soils.



Plant tissue levels of selenium would tend to be highest in plants that were

naturally disposed to absorb selenium ions (mainly dicots, not grasses), in

plants grown in soils naturally high in available selenium (the dry West),

and without added fertilizer sulfates, which both compete with selenium for

uptake and in many instances lower the soil pH, making selenium chemically

less available.



-RJO











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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herpes

From: prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:44:40

--------

 I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in 

treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs 

available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.



 Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true? 



Is there anything else?



Thanks!



cottonmouth

prudd@ss1.csd.sc.edu





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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: Lesley <woodsman@cpres.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:37:41 +0000

--------

I can vouch for the following: 

 

ONE DROP of neat Tea Tree oil applied 2 or 3 times a day to a facial

cold sore speeds healing considerably and appears to reduce, or lessen

the severity, of further outbreaks. 



In article <prudd.97.000ABEE5@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU>, prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU

writes

> I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in 

>treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs 

>available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.

>

> Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true? 

>

>Is there anything else?

>

>Thanks!

>

>cottonmouth

>prudd@ss1.csd.sc.edu



-- 

Lesley





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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: jyoti@no-spam.mango.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 22:21:14 GMT

--------

> 

> In article <prudd.97.000ABEE5@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU>, prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU

> writes

> > I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in 

> >treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs 

> >available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an 

outbreak.

> >



The food additive BHT is supposed to work.  There is a small book called 

"Wipe out Herpes with BHT" or something like that.  You can buy the BHT in 

some health food stores, and maybe find the book there as well.  I tried 

the treatment and haven't had an outbreak since (seven months ago), but my 

case was very mild.



Good Luck,

Bruce



-- 

Bruce Boyd

LTUS Language Teachers' Union of Sendai





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Subject: Herpes

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 97 00:56:09 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 p> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:44:40

 p> Subject: Herpes

 p> From: prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU



 p>  I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs

used in treating

 p> herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs

available on the market

 p> used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.



 p>  Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true?



 p> Is there anything else?



Cottonmouth, it has been a standard in our family for  many years, now.

 However, "Herpes" is *not* what we have had to contend with.  "Herpes"

is the common "feverblister".  Mouth ulcers are not the same thing...

not necessarily.  Mouth ulcers are (more commonly, IMHO) related to the

condition of the digestive tract.  (You understand, I am not, nor have

I *ever* been, a doctor, so you may choose not to believe me   :)  Our

daugter was mis-diagnosed and mis-treated, for this very condition,

over several years, by not one, but *three* doctors!  It's  taken more

than  several years to begin to get her straightened out... which she

isn't, altogether... but she's worlds ahead of where she *was*!  And

L-lysine is one of the things we used (and continue to, when necessary 

:)



And, yes, there are other herbs that are helpful.  Okra is one of

them... or you can use the Marshmallow  (and I don't mean the

confection!   :)



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 9 Nov 1997 18:01:15 -0700

--------

>

> p>  I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs

>used in treating

> p> herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs

>available on the market

> p> used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.

>

> p>  Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true?

>

> p> Is there anything else?

>





L-lysine, yes, and also Melissa extract.  (Someone also mentioned tea tree

oil ... it seems a bit harsh to me, but you might try it).





Here, let me quote some info on Melissa. This is from several studies: One

in Phytomedicine, "Local therapy of herpes simplex with dried extract from

Melissa officianalis." 1:25-31, 1994 ... Author Leonhardt K. WOlbling, Rh



and also from HJ Vogt, in a German scientific journal Der Allgemeinartz.





I'm quoting from a pamphlet I have about these studies:



"Two clinical trials were published demonstrating a consierable clinical

efficacy in various locations and against both subtypes of Herpes simplex

infections, either at open controlled conditions or at double-blind

conditions.



Patients with herpes simplex at varoius locations were included in a

double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized, two-armed clinical trial. Of

the 116 patients who took part in the rial, 58 were treated topically with

a 1 percent Melissa extract formulation (cream) and 58 with a placebo. The

affected area was treated 2 to 4 times daily over a period of 5 to 10

days. A statistically significant therapeutic effect could be demonstrated

in all patients and for all forms of herpes."



I shan't quote, but it also says the Melissa extract cream was most

effective when begun within the first 16 hours after symptoms appeared.

After the first few days, the difference between the placebo and the

treated groups began to decrease.  In patients who began applying the

Melissa extract within the first FOUR hours after seeing symptoms, the

infected area was only 1/10th that of the placebo group.





It also says, briefly (although it doesn't explain how), that "the

mechanism of action of Melissa extract is completely different than that

of chemically synthesized antiviral agents..."  so perhaps, if your friend

is allergic to most drugs used, she (or he) won't be allergic to this one?





Good luck.





Kristen





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herpes

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:18:50 -0500

--------

Lemon Balm (Melissa officinalis) extract has been found to help reduce the

symptoms and speed healing of herpes sores.  The only form I have seen in

this country (USA) is as Herpicyn, a cream for external application.  Ask at

your local natural foods store.



-RJO





prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU wrote in message ...

> I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in

>treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs

>available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an

outbreak.

>

> Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true?

>

>Is there anything else?

>

>Thanks!

>

>cottonmouth

>prudd@ss1.csd.sc.edu









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To: prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herpes

From: Tom Nuckels <newsnet1@xairmail.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:55:13 -0600

--------

prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU wrote:

> 

>  I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in

> treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs

> available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.

> 

>  Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true?

> 

> Is there anything else?

> 

Years ago, I tried the L-lysine and for me I couldn't tell it had any

impact.  Within the last 24 months, I started using three supplements to

aid digestion and bowell ecology.  One of the things I noticed is that I

have had very few outbreaks of herpes simplex since I've been on these

supplements.  Actually, I haven't had any full blown outbreaks.



Tom



http://www.worldprofit.com/health/mblpls.htm





P.S. To reply, remove the X from address





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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: "Kathy" <krenee@XXXXloop.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:26:14 -0800

--------



Tom Nuckels wrote in message <34674A81.535D@xairmail.net>...

>prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU wrote:

>>

>>  I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard

drugs used in

>> treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all

the drugs

>> available on the market used to control or lessen the severity

of an outbreak.

>>

>>  Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that

true?

>>

>> Is there anything else?

>>

>Years ago, I tried the L-lysine and for me I couldn't tell it

had any

>impact.  Within the last 24 months, I started using three

supplements to

>aid digestion and bowell ecology.  One of the things I noticed

is that I

>have had very few outbreaks of herpes simplex since I've been on

these

>supplements.  Actually, I haven't had any full blown outbreaks.



Yes!  A lysine rich/arginine-poor diet will help the herpes.  If

you ingest more lysine than arginine - you will not suffer.  I

know - I've been doing this for 6 years.













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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 18:05:26 -0700

--------

In article <64ea9q$7cp$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,

Kathy <krenee@XXXXloop.com> wrote:

>

>Yes!  A lysine rich/arginine-poor diet will help the herpes.  If

>you ingest more lysine than arginine - you will not suffer.  I

>know - I've been doing this for 6 years.

>





What foods are high in arginine, and which are high in lysine?





Thanks





Kristen





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To: kristen marie davenport <kristend@unm.edu>

Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herpes

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:16:54 -0500

--------

Lysine is found in muscle tissue.  If deficient it may result in

depression.  You need 12mg/kg per day or 840 mg for adults.  Degraded to

acetyl CoA - precursor of carnitine.  Degradation rests on riboflavin

and niacin.  Absorption on iron and Vit C.  Used to form collagen.

Found wheat germ, brewers yeast,  cottage cheese, chicken, avocados,

wild game, pork.  But the real reason Lysine works is not only because

it antagonizes arginine but the double whammy of calcium deficiency due

loss in high protein diets and lysine deficiciency.  These two factors

are not only immunodepressive but, more importantly, disrupt the spatial

relationship between the cells in the mucous membranes - leaving only

friction, the stress of sunlight, atmospheric pressure and chlorinated

water between it and the "cold or herpes" outbreak thru which the virus'

are only too glad to be released.

Arginine, OTOH, is also important in muscle metabolism because it

provides transport, storage and excretion of nitrogen.  Arginine

provides the high energy compounds of guanidophosphate, phophoarginine

and creatine.  A. is found is meats, nuts, eggs, milk and cheese: all

having a near association with the reproductive system.  Chocolate (pre

PMS favorite because of its high Magnesium content) is also high in

Arginine.  As is pork, luncheon meats, Sausage, Chicken, Turkey, Duck,

wild game and, yes - wheat germ!

Dr. AVB

kristen marie davenport wrote:



> In article <64ea9q$7cp$1@usenet76.supernews.com>,

> Kathy <krenee@XXXXloop.com> wrote:

> >

> >Yes!  A lysine rich/arginine-poor diet will help the herpes.  If

> >you ingest more lysine than arginine - you will not suffer.  I

> >know - I've been doing this for 6 years.

> >

>

> What foods are high in arginine, and which are high in lysine?

>

> Thanks

>

> Kristen







--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Nutritional Biochemist and Physiologist   |

drv@idt.net ------- http://idt.net/~drv   |

========================================================









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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: stownshe@chat.carleton.ca (Stephen Townshend)

Date: 22 Nov 1997 02:07:12 GMT

--------

  One thing I can suggest from my own experience:  stay away from the

antiviral drug acyclovir.  I used it for years for herpes attacks.  Then

when I was reading about the overuse of antibiotics, I suddenly realized

that we (the human race) may be breeding resistant viral pathogens by

overusing antiviral drugs.



  I stopped using the acyclovir and promptly had an attack of herpes a bit

more severe than usual.  Subsequently, all the herpes incidences I have

had since have been about 1/3 less severe than they used to be.



  In other words: the drug made my attacks shorter but maintained their

severity at a consistent level.  Once I stopped using the drug, my immune

syste, unassistedd did a better job reducing the severity of the attack.



  I haven't seen any studies on this subject and I realize my personal

experience may not be typical, but since not taking the drug isn't going

to kill anyone I think it may be worth the experiment of stopping using it.



  











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Subject: Re: Herpes

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:03:58 -0900

--------

You should be able to decrease the outbreaks by eating foods in the amino acid lysine--fish, seafood, chicken, turkey, eggs, dairy products, potatoes,and brewer's yeast. 

Large amounts of arginine seems to aggravate herpes, so avoid these types of foods--chocolate, nuts (peanuts, almonds, cashews, walnuts), seeds (sunflower and sesame), and coconut. 

Foods containing a moderate amount of arginine should be eaten with discretion--wheat, soy, lentils, barley, oats, corn, rice, tomato, and squash.

Drugs, alcohol, and tobacco should also be eliminated from the diet.

Herbal therapy--tinctures of echinacea, Siberian ginseng, nettle, and goldenseal should be combined in equal parts and 1/2 teaspoon taken 3 times daily.

To help with discomfort and/or hasten recovery--ice applied to the sores at the very beginning of eruption can help. Cool compresses or baking soda compresses also soothe lesions. Aloe, goldenseal, lavender, and lycopodium can be applied directly to the sores in a salve. Licorice root ointment may also help.

For professional care--a fasting detoxification program, homeopathy, or Ayurveda medicine.

Kay



 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



prudd@SS1.CSD.SC.EDU wrote in message ...

> I'm looking for information on alternatives to the standard drugs used in 

>treating herpes. I've a friend who is allergic to almost all the drugs 

>available on the market used to control or lessen the severity of an outbreak.

>

> Years ago I remeber reading that l-lysine helped, is that true? 

>

>Is there anything else?

>

>Thanks!

>

>cottonmouth

>prudd@ss1.csd.sc.edu







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Subject: Herpes

From: Jacque <jacque@iquest.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:43:19 -0600

--------

Melissa officinalis, manufactured as Herpicyn, seems to be an effective

product for many.

Also, when supplementing with l-lysine, be sure to restrict arginine

producing foods as excess arginine is said to aggravate the situation

and negate the effects of the l-lysine.

Rhus tox, homeopathically, is effective also.

Good luck

j-





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herpes

From: apmodeler@aol.com (APMODELER)

Date: 12 Nov 1997 19:49:56 GMT

--------

I take a different viewpoint from most physicians and alternative practitioners

 on this and do _not_ recommend topical applications for herpetic lesions,

 diagnosed type 2 or other.    This (my attitude) may stem from loose

 interpretation of the TCM _damp heat_ classification, as well as homeopathic

 theory that discourages suppression at the surface of anything that arises

 from and is rooted within.    To those who don't know, genital herpes after

 initial contact is {more or less} _permanently_ dormant in nerve tissue in the

 lower back (my vague recollection).    

Recurrence is often linked to stress and immunosuppression, but may be sporadic

 (with no apparent relation / causal onset), and recurrence in many people

 diminishes after a few years so that it seems to be gone, and for practical

 purposes should probably be considered so, or rather a minor annoyance to

 simply be alert for signs of, cautious for the sake of others.    This typical

 course, as well as the variability of duration of the acute condition makes me

 skeptical of any reports or studies.

If acyclovir is to be used it makes more sense to me to take it orally rather

 than using an ointment.    Of course the Lysine with Argenine avoidance should

 be followed, at least at the earliest sign.    I would stress the importance

 of Zinc, and also point out there is anecdotal evidence for acetyl-cystiene

 (in conjunction with Lysine and Zinc) reversing attacks before they fully

 manifest.    I have not seen certain usefullness of either herbs or

 acupuncture, although plenty of doctors report benefit, and other concurrent

 conditions (including stress) are likely to be treatable by TCM.

In my view, an open lesion benefits from _drying_ of open air, an indirect hair

 dryer, or frequently changed cotton tissue, careful hand washing, a calm and

 patient outlook, and hygenic concern for others  - especially refraining from

 relations during and through a week or so _after_ any open skin has

 _completely_ healed.

Statistics on the prevalence of this in the population are pretty high, but

 there are so many things with far _worse_ impact that normal people are

 equally likely to encounter, that education and mature acceptance is probably

 the key to keeping sanity and maintaining overall health.



Joe Reid, O.M.D.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs and juniper trees

From: P h i l <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 09:48:31 -0700

--------

Anyone know any herbs or ?? that will grow under juniper trees?

TIA

-- 

P h i l

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Subject: Planting my Bloodroot?

From: judyalthouse@webtv.net (JudiTh Althouse)

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:08:48 -0500

--------

 Hi, I finally located and received my Bloodroot, I have 3 little

precious roots to plant.  I don't know if I should plant them now or

not.  I live in Southern Michigan, close to Toledo Oh.  The actual name

is Sanguinaria Canadensis.  Could I plant one of them indoors?  Shall I

save them till Spring, if so should I store in the refrigerator.  Please

help me, this is very important to me as I have heard the root can be

used as an aid/treatment to soothe my stepfather's skin cancer.  Thanks

in advance.......



Be Free,



Judy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea in Norfolk, England

From: stephen tweed <stephen.greenpen.demon.co.uk@stephen.greenpen.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:13:28 +0000

--------

I recently moved to England and I cannot find certain herbs that I need,

such as echinacea. Anyone know any info for sources around Norfolk?

-Maga, posting from Stephen's account   





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Subject: Re: Echinacea in Norfolk, England

From: "Tahali" <weirds@globalnet.co.uk>

Date: 10 Nov 1997 18:03:45 GMT

--------

stephen tweed <stephen.greenpen.demon.co.uk@stephen.greenpen.demon.co.uk>

wrote in article <mz7$5AAYIPZ0EwWH@demon.co.uk>...

> I recently moved to England and I cannot find certain herbs that I need,

> such as echinacea. Anyone know any info for sources around Norfolk?

> -Maga, posting from Stephen's account   

> 



Hi Stephen,



This might not be the information you were looking for but if you don't

mind mail order you should try the following, listed in order of personal

preference:



G. Baldwin & Co.			Tel:  0171 703 5550

173 Walworth Road			Email:  sales@baldwins.co.uk

London

SE17 1RW





They have a wide variety of dried herbs as well as tinctures, oils, flower

remedies, etc, etc.  Their selection of herbs is more comprehensive than

most and middle of the range in price but not quality.



Neal's Yard				Tel:  0171 498 1686

Head Office				Email:  mail@nealsyardremedies.com

26-34 Ingate Place

Battersea

London

SW8 3NS



Their range of herbs not being as extensive as Baldwins their are,

nevertheless, somewhat cheaper, especially in postage plus they have shops

all over so there might be one not too far from where you live.



The Herbal Apothecary			Tel:  0116 2602690

103 High Street

Syston

Leicester

LE7 1GQ



This one I personally have no desire to use as their brochure is somewhat

confusing and they seem to sell absolutely everything including a variety

of products one can but ponder over the usage but if you;re after something

unusual perhaps they can help.



The first two definitely stock echinacea and all should stock most of your

requirements, if not all.



Tahali





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's Wort and Kids

From: "Amy" <banelsonxxx@garlic.com>

Date: 8 Nov 1997 23:17:25 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any advice on giving St. John's Wort to a toddler?  My

friend has a 2 1/2 year old and she thinks he is suffering from mild

depression/mood swings.  Three family members are on anti-depressants, and

she is concerned for her son.   I have done a search on the net, but

haven't found anything yet specifically about kids and St. John's Wort.

I (and she) would appreciate any information you can offer.

Thank you.

Amy

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and Kids

From: lfhamilton@aol.com (LFHAMILTON)

Date: 9 Nov 1997 17:53:33 GMT

--------

In article <01bcec9d$7ee52ba0$32a2c3d0@williamn>, "Amy"

<banelsonxxx@garlic.com> writes:



>Does anyone have any advice on giving St. John's Wort to a toddler?  My

>friend has a 2 1/2 year old and she thinks he is suffering from mild

>depression/mood swings.  Three family members are on anti-depressants, and

>she is concerned for her son.   I have done a search on the net, but

>haven't found anything yet specifically about kids and St. John's Wort.

>I (and she) would appreciate any information you can offer.

>Thank you.

>Amy



Your friend should first take her son to his ped and see if a referral for

psyc intervention is needed.  She would of course have to make decisions

about giving her son any drugs which might be recommended, but for sure a

diagnosis should be made before ANYTHING is given.  You wouldn't want to be

handing out meds. to a child if the real culprit is a food sensitivity, or

a lack of a consistent routine (difficult to maintain by a severely

depressed parent) which leads to insufficient rest or other problem, or

another medical condition besides depression.



I did a research paper on childhood depression (yeeeps! about 10 years ago

already!).  One thing that stands out from my readings is that if *Mommy*

is showing depressed mood and accompanying behaviors, the child will pick

up on them, react to them, and perhaps exhibit the same mood and behaviors.

 The very young child can't sort out Mommy's feelings from his own.



However, childhood depression is for real and a great threat to a child's

well-being, as you can well imagine. Your friend's concern for her son is

well-founded.  



Regards,

lynn









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Education and "Master Herbalist"

From: siochain23@aol.com (SIOCHAIN23)

Date: 9 Nov 1997 00:12:50 GMT

--------

    I was wondering what kind of education a "master herbalist" receives, and

 where to get this sort of education.

    Also, if anyone can recommend a good correspondence course on the study of

 medicinal herbs I would appreciate it.



Thanks, 

Siochain





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Education and "Master Herbalist"

From: susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 07:49:46 GMT

--------

Hi Siochain,

The American Botanical Council...has a booklet for sale that covers books,

videos, software/CDs ...it is called "Herbal Education Catalog"....their phone

number is 800-373-7105...their email is custserv@herbalgram.org....they have

all kinds of books on herbs...

Susie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Kola(Cola nitida)/Gotu Kola/Gota Cola

From: Lesley <woodsman@cpres.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:36:00 +0000

--------



Can anyone explain the differences between these and what would they be

used for - (dried form or tincture)  ?



1)      Kola (Cola nitida)

2)      Gotu Kola

3)      Gota Cola





Thanks in advance

-- 

Lesley





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Subject: Looking for recipes/mixtures of herbal drugs

From: huba23 <huba23@comcity.de>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 04:19:14 +0100

--------

Where can Iget information about recipes or mixtures for herbal drugs,

such as mandrake, belladonna, agaric....! Tell me if you know something

about sites or send the information directly to me, pleeeeeeease!







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Subject: Re: Looking for recipes/mixtures of herbal drugs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:25:02 GMT

--------

On Sun, 09 Nov 1997 04:19:14 +0100, huba23 <huba23@comcity.de> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Where can Iget information about recipes or mixtures for herbal drugs,

>such as mandrake, belladonna, agaric....! Tell me if you know something

>about sites or send the information directly to me, pleeeeeeease!



If you need to ask about plants and mushrooms as toxic as these you are

not qualified to receive the information. If you -really- want to try

them out find somebody near you who has done it and apprentice.



None of those plants are such that you could try them out on a bit of

anonymous advice over the 'net.



Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: Looking for recipes/mixtures of herbal drugs

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:27:12 -0600

--------

huba23 wrote:

> 

> Where can Iget information about recipes or mixtures for herbal 

> drugs, such as mandrake, belladonna, agaric....! Tell me if you 

> know something about sites or send the information directly to me, 

> pleeeeeeease!



I know about these "drugs," but I for one am not about to up and *give*

that information to just anonymous anybody.  In my training you have to

*earn* that sort of information.  OTOH, if you want to go out and start

experimenting with them, it's your suicide.  You've only got one death

available to spend, after all.



-Kyra





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for recipes/mixtures of herbal drugs

From: "Virgil H. Huston Jr." <huston@angel-net.com>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:45:35 -0500

--------

huba23 wrote:

> 

> Where can Iget information about recipes or mixtures for herbal drugs,

> such as mandrake, belladonna, agaric....! Tell me if you know something

> about sites or send the information directly to me, pleeeeeeease!



You can easily kill yourself with these. Don't mess with them.

-- 

Virgil H. Huston Jr.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Looking for recipes/mixtures of herbal drugs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:24:22 GMT

--------

On Sun, 09 Nov 1997 22:45:35 -0500, "Virgil H. Huston Jr."

<huston@angel-net.com> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>huba23 wrote:

>> 

>> Where can Iget information about recipes or mixtures for herbal drugs,

>> such as mandrake, belladonna, agaric....! Tell me if you know something

>> about sites or send the information directly to me, pleeeeeeease!

>

>You can easily kill yourself with these. Don't mess with them.



Thing is, if he manages to survive eg. that Amanita sp., he'll probably

be in a kidney machine the rest of his life ... voluntarily take such

risks? Only the truly silly would even attempt it.



Henriette



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: BF'g ? (Re: Pregnancy and herbs)

From: sam <sam@wan.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:54:14 +0800

--------

Texas Chick wrote:

How about herbs (especially CHINESE HERBS) for Nursing Mothers?    I was

so shocked when I saw on one website a caution that the "Batt Chan Cha"

(for postnatal mothers) is not for nursing mothers!



Anyone know?



sam





> 

> Jill, if the herb tea has senna in it, be careful.  Most have warnings

> not to use such during pregnancy as it's a diuretic.  You can send me a

> list of what you take and I can look it up in my herb books if you like.

> 

> Visit my pregnancy links:

> 

> http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/preggers.htm

> 

> http://www.startext.net/homes/bailey1/pregger2.htm

> 

> Jill E. Reed wrote:

> >

> > Are there herbs that don't mix with Pregnancy?  I drink a lot of herb

> > teas, sometimes take acidophalus and Evening Primrose oil.  I appreciate

> > any information.  Thanks.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: BF'g ? (Re: Pregnancy and herbs)

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 13:45:24 -0700

--------



On the topic of pregnancy and herbs (and what can or cannot be taken),

there is one book that is fairly thorough:  Wisewoman Herbal for the

Childbearing Year, by Susan S. Weed.  It covers pretty much everything--

from herbs you should not take while pregnant or while nursing, to herbs

that can help with a variety of pregnancy-related problems, to herbs that

can increase fertility.  





Also, Michael Moore's website at chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore has a pamphlet of

herbal contra-indications which includes a long list of those that should

not be taken while pregnant.





Kristen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: BF'g ? (Re: Pregnancy and herbs)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:02:46 -0500

--------

sam wrote in message <34656C26.1CB7@wan.net>...

>Texas Chick wrote:

>How about herbs (especially CHINESE HERBS) for Nursing Mothers?    I was

>so shocked when I saw on one website a caution that the "Batt Chan Cha"

>(for postnatal mothers) is not for nursing mothers!

>

>Anyone know?

>

>sam





Why should that shock you?  It is certainly conceivable that herbs that

would rebuild a womens strength would interfere with milk production.  After

all, in the traditional Chinese system one of the key elements is

controlling and directing energy and nutrition within the body.  According

to TCM, then, a women who was in poor health following parturition might

even take herbs to dry up milk, to limit the amount of energy and nutrition

going into milk production, whereas a healthy nursing mother might use

entirely different herbs to support milk production.  It's all a matter of

adjusting the formulas to suite the exact needs of the individual, rather

than the Western "one size fits all" approach to medicine.  Herbs and other

natural medicines are unfortunately not without side-effects, whatever

anyone may tell you, and using them must entail the same degree of knowledge

and caution that are used in prescribing synthetic drugs.  Every Chinese

doctor knows this;  there are contraindications given for most of the herbs

used in traditional Chinese medicine; incompatibilities with other herbs and

foods, and physical conditions in which an herb must be avoided.  The bottom

line is, if you intend to self-medicate or recommend herbs for someone else,

get ALL the information you can, and be aware ignorance can be very

dangerous.



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: BF'g ? (Re: Pregnancy and herbs)

From: sam <sam@wan.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:13:22 +0800

--------

As far as I know, the Traditional Chinese Postpartum Confinement Diet

helps the mother recover AS WELL AS promote milk flow & supply.  



I personally followed our Traditional Diet.  And I DID drink a lot of

"Batt Chan Cha".  I had no problems with my Milk Supply.  My Exclusively

Breastfed baby was in the 90th percentile.  



That's why I'm surprised, you see!



sam

An authentic Asian Chinese 

mommy to 3yo Sarah & 10mo Daniel - still bf'g.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Severe Arthritis Pain

From: miriam@cts.com (Miriam)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 03:30:01 -0800

--------

Hello,



Has anyone ever used Pulsatilla as a rememdy for arthritis pain?

Apparently it is used for "rapid" pain that changes in both type and

location.  I had read about this homeopathic remedy in some magazine

recently and wonder if there is any validity to its usefulness.



Thank you,



Miriam





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Severe Arthritis Pain

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:25:46 GMT

--------

On Sun, 09 Nov 1997 03:30:01 -0800, miriam@cts.com (Miriam) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Has anyone ever used Pulsatilla as a rememdy for arthritis pain?

>Apparently it is used for "rapid" pain that changes in both type and

>location.  I had read about this homeopathic remedy in some magazine

>recently and wonder if there is any validity to its usefulness.



You need to consider that homeopathics are a WORLD apart from herbs. 



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Severe Arthritis Pain

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 97 23:43:58 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 m> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 03:30:01

 m> Subject: Severe Arthritis Pain

 m> From: miriam@cts.com (Miriam)



 m> Has anyone ever used Pulsatilla as a rememdy for arthritis pain?

Apparently it

 m> is used for "rapid" pain that changes in both type and location.  I

had read about

 m> this homeopathic remedy in some magazine recently and wonder if

there is any

 m> validity to its usefulness.



I have, Miriam.  It is one of the primary ingredients in my arthritis

homeopathic.  I have grown to appreciate it's action.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: milk thistle

From: Amelia Randolph <arando@po-box.mcgill.ca>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:01:33 -0500

--------

Hello,



I am writing a "pharmacology" paper for a class.  I have chosen to write

it on Silybum marianum.  Can anyone direct me to some sources of

information?  What I really need are scientific, i.e.., double-blind,

controlled, papers as I need a bibliography and the people reading this

will be skeptics.  I know the herb from an herbal perspective, but I

need more info on known or proposed biochemical mechanisms.  Please

email me directly as well.  Thank you ahead of time.

Amelia







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea - Child's Dosage

From: DrJ <doug@royal.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:30:47 -0700

--------

We are trying to find some info on the effects of echinacea on children

and proper dosages. Thank you.



Doug







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea - Child's Dosage

From: kelly37@aol.com (Kelly37)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 23:53:05 GMT

--------

I just went to the health food store today and got a bottle of it and on the

label it says to give (example 60-90lbs 1 teaspoon) they have liquid for the

kids. Using to stop a cold from comming will use for 2 weeks then stop. Have

you tried it yet? 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea-Strep Throat

From: DrJ <doug@royal.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:17:16 -0700

--------

Does anyone use echinacea for strep throat rather than a prescription

antibiotic or know where I can find info on this specifically?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea-Strep Throat

From: stamper@highfiber.com

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 06:47:26 GMT

--------

DrJ <doug@royal.net> wrote:



>Does anyone use echinacea for strep throat rather than a prescription

>antibiotic or know where I can find info on this specifically?



I wouldn't use echinacea as a replacement for an antibiotic.

Antibiotics are usually competitive inhibitors (they keep the bacteria

from forming essential cell walls) whereas echinacea isn't. If you

just depend on echinacea chances are the infection will just grow

worse. 



S-











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ILLEGALITY OF MOST HERBS, VITAMINS, & SUPPLEMENTS  IN USA MAY

	B...

From: led4@webtv.net (led)

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:08:05 -0500

--------

I am a person that takes 10000mg (sometimes more) Vit C plus other

vitamins and herbs.....I do this because the medical profession had

nothing else to offer me.....except Chemo...which I did not

want.......Needless to say...I do not want the government to tell me

what or how much....or by prescription





  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: oil of oregano

From: mmboughton@aol.com (MMBoughton)

Date: 9 Nov 1997 22:13:59 GMT

--------

Do you know anything about using oil of oregano to treat internal fungus

 (candida and more)?  please reply MMBoughton@aol.com  THANKS SO MUCH





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: need quick help

From: Courtney Lynn Jenkins <cljenkin@unity.ncsu.edu>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:27:47 -0500

--------

hi!  i'm trying to write a five page paper on folk medicine for a

folklore class at nc state.  it's due in about 15 days. i was wondering

if anyone can help with some info or maybe send me in a direction as to

where to find some.  thanks.

-- 

Courtney





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: calories

From: Courtney Lynn Jenkins <cljenkin@unity.ncsu.edu>

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:29:20 -0500

--------

does anyone know how many calories you should intake per day if you're

trying to lose weight???

-- 

Courtney





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To: Courtney Lynn Jenkins <cljenkin@unity.ncsu.edu>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: arando@po-box.mcgill.ca

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:48:36 -0500

--------

Hi Courtney,



2000 is the "standard" daily intake.  One would then decrease from

there.  However, calorie intake vs energy output of course depends on

your sex, age, how many calories you actually consume normally, and the

amount of physical activity that you get/plan on getting.



Courtney Lynn Jenkins wrote:



> does anyone know how many calories you should intake per day if you're

>

> trying to lose weight???

> --

> Courtney











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: Gary Hilbers <ghilbers@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:10:58 +0000

--------

Less then you put out.



Courtney Lynn Jenkins wrote:



> does anyone know how many calories you should intake per day if you're

> trying to lose weight???

> --

> Courtney











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:00:11 +0000

--------

In article <346C7811.64DA61FA@earthlink.net>, Gary Hilbers

<ghilbers@earthlink.net> writes

>Less then you put out.

>

>Courtney Lynn Jenkins wrote:

>

>> does anyone know how many calories you should intake per day if you're

>> trying to lose weight???

>> --

>> Courtney

>

>

>

depending on your weight, about 1000 for women and 1500 for men, adjust

if your taller . but dont fall below the 1000 level



-- 

Shez                                      shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady               http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/

------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: calories

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 19:36:09 -0600

--------

Shez, why shouldn't one fall below the 1000 calorie level? My daily 

intake over the past 15 years or so has averaged between 200 and 600 

calories per day. Yes, I am healthy (other than MCS) and have had my 

calorie count checked and rechecked by doctors, etc. I am active, with 4 

grandchildren I regularly take on outings, gardening, etc. Isn't it 

possible that some people need more and some need less?



Carole





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: Katie Jacobs <kjacobs@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:34:14 -0800

--------

Crone wrote:

> 

> Shez, why shouldn't one fall below the 1000 calorie level? My daily

> intake over the past 15 years or so has averaged between 200 and 600

> calories per day. -snip-

> Carole



Dear Carole,



I am very curious what your diet consists of at 200 to 600 calories a

day. I have read that one should not go under 1200 calories for my

height and weight. Do you supplement at all with vitamins? 

I have to say, I find what you say amazing.

Wow,

Katie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:44:46 -0600

--------

Katie, I've always been a really small eater. I'm not one who lives to 

eat, I only eat to live. And, I only eat when my body says it wants food 

- which is usually about every 3 days or so. My calorie count came 

because my doctor was concerned when I started to gain weight. When he 

realized what I was taking in, he had tons of tests done to make sure I 

was okay. :) The only thing wrong with me is MCS (Multiple Chemical 

Sensitivities) which means I can't use perfumes, soaps, any household 

cleaning chemicals, eat things with chemicals in them or take 

commercially prepared herbs, vitamins and the like. 



Anyway, 15 years later, I am still healthy, still overweight in spite of 

an active lifestyle, and still only eating once every 3-4 days. A couple 

of days ago, I baked a potato - it fit in my small hand - and I still 

have half of it to go - will probably finish it tonight or maybe 

tomorrow. Another day, I may have 1/2 an apple, and a couple of days 

later, finish it. I may also have a few nuts, or a tiny piece of fish, 

or whatever strikes my fancy when I am hungry, but my intake is 

extremely small. 



My beverages - can't drink plain water, never could from the time I was 

a baby - consist of fresh fruit or veggie juices made by a friend so I 

know exactly what they are made from. I also use herbs for health from 

time to time if I feel I need something but instead of making a tea with 

water, I'll make the herbs with something like apple juice.



I rarely feel hungry, and am still in the best of health - as long as I 

stay away from chemicals. My body tells me when to feed it rather than 

my brain telling me that I would like this or that to eat. If I craved 

something, I would probably have it, but that rarely happens. 



I guess it really all goes to the fact that each and every one of us is 

different. Technically, eating what I do, I should be nothing but skin 

and bone - I wish - but instead I'm 5'2" and weigh around 160. 



Carole



Katie Jacobs wrote:

> 

> Crone wrote:

> >

> > Shez, why shouldn't one fall below the 1000 calorie level? My daily

> > intake over the past 15 years or so has averaged between 200 and 600

> > calories per day. -snip-

> > Carole

> 

> Dear Carole,

> 

> I am very curious what your diet consists of at 200 to 600 calories a

> day. I have read that one should not go under 1200 calories for my

> height and weight. Do you supplement at all with vitamins?

> I have to say, I find what you say amazing.

> Wow,

> Katie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: calories

From: rblack@planet.earthcom.net

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:12:53 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:44:46 -0600, Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

wrote:



>Anyway, 15 years later, I am still healthy, still overweight in spite of 

>an active lifestyle, and still only eating once every 3-4 days. A couple 

>of days ago, I baked a potato - it fit in my small hand - and I still 

>have half of it to go - will probably finish it tonight or maybe 

>tomorrow. Another day, I may have 1/2 an apple, and a couple of days 

>later, finish it. I may also have a few nuts, or a tiny piece of fish, 

>or whatever strikes my fancy when I am hungry, but my intake is 

>extremely small. 

>

>My beverages - can't drink plain water, never could from the time I was 

>a baby - consist of fresh fruit or veggie juices made by a friend so I 

>know exactly what they are made from. I also use herbs for health from 

>time to time if I feel I need something but instead of making a tea with 

>water, I'll make the herbs with something like apple juice.

>



You don't mention how much fruit and vegetable juices you drink each

day.  This would be an important part of your diet and should be more

than just a casual mention.  









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: huckle berry

From: dan <dalberts@dorsai.org>

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:30:29 -0500

--------

Can anyone tell me what plant  the huckleberry is?  also where it grows

and what its good for?  

Thanks 







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: huckle berry

From: smoorefu@netcom.com (Stephanie Moore-Fuller)

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:08:38 GMT

--------

In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.971109192818.11462A-100000@amanda>,

dan  <dalberts@dorsai.org> wrote:

>Can anyone tell me what plant  the huckleberry is?  also where it grows

>and what its good for?  





The huckleberry is similar to a blueberry.  I've picked them before, but 

it was years ago, and I can't remember what was different about them than 

blueberries, only that we mixed them in the picking pail, they were so 

similar.  I know they grow in the Southeastern USA, as I was picking them 

in Virginia, but I don't know where else.



stephanie



-- 

............................................................................  

Stephanie Moore-Fuller       smoorefu@netcom.com      Detroit, Michigan, USA

"... everybody's looking for something/ some of them want to use you/ 

some of them want to be used by you/ some of them want to abuse you/ 

some of them want to be abused... "           -- The Eurythmics 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: huckle berry

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:27:46 -0800

--------



Stephanie Moore-Fuller wrote in message ...

:In article <Pine.SUN.3.96.971109192818.11462A-100000@amanda>,

:dan  <dalberts@dorsai.org> wrote:

:>Can anyone tell me what plant  the huckleberry is?  also where it grows

:>and what its good for?

:

:

:The huckleberry is similar to a blueberry.  I've picked them before, but

:it was years ago, and I can't remember what was different about them than

:blueberries, only that we mixed them in the picking pail, they were so

:similar.  I know they grow in the Southeastern USA, as I was picking them

:in Virginia, but I don't know where else.

:

:stephanie

:

:--

:...........................................................................

.

:Stephanie Moore-Fuller       smoorefu@netcom.com      Detroit, Michigan,

USA

:"... everybody's looking for something/ some of them want to use you/

:some of them want to be used by you/ some of them want to abuse you/

:some of them want to be abused... "           -- The Eurythmics

:



Huckleberries also grow along the west coast mountain areas. Although I

thought they were red. They are edible, and the foliage is also used by

florists in Floral arrangements.



Bob



http://www.ultranet.ca/neways











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: huckle berry

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 08:29:20 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 d> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:30:29 -0500

 d> Subject: huckle berry

 d> From: dan <dalberts@dorsai.org>



 d> ... tell me what plant  the huckleberry is?  also where it grows

and what its good for?



Dan, if you look up Vaccinium, you will be in the general direction.  I

have a reference to it (tho it is Vaccinium macrocarpon that is

referred to) on page 86, headed, The Healing Herbs, (that chapter is by

Nelson Coon), in _The Rodale Herb Book_(1974).  He says that a syrup of

the  fruit "is said to be a good medicine for alleviation af diarrhea."

 Please, don't misunderstand me, here.  Huckleberry is *not* the common

Blueberry. It is, however, the wild variety, and while the "cultivated"

and the "wild" are *not* the same, and cannot always be used

interchangeably, I only mean to suggest that if you *begin* your search

in the V. family, you should be looking in the right direction.



It grows in light wooded areas of N. America as far south (you can go 

:) and as far north (as I've been, which would be clear to  New England

 :) and is tasty (to those to whom I am related  :)  We have foraged

for them, many times (and I use that term "foraged", because we usually

eat many of them, before we can get them home to do anything *else*

with them  :)  I feel sure that it also is native to the British Isles

and, perhaps else-where, as well...  (but, as I said, *all* my books

are not readily avialable, so that info isn't 'at my finger-tips'  :(



I will continue to look for the proper name, as I *know* I have more

"scientific" information than I have provided you with.  However, they

are the *wild* form of Blueberry.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Rauvolfia serpentina

From: patrici@ak.net

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:30:52 -0900

--------

Has anyone reading this newsgroup has any personal experience with 

growing this plant (as an ornamental, of course).  I started with two 

plants, am now down to one, and would very much appreciate anything 

based on personal experience or credible references.  Thank you.



Patricia

REAL E-MAIL:  change "ak" to "alaska"





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

From: drd4u@aol.com (Dr D 4U)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 19:45:02 GMT

--------

For CSF try to look for food allergies, wheat, choc, and sugar, sodas are

the big ones to check.



Try also taking .5mg of melatonin before bed.  It  should help you get

into a deep restful sleep. You may have vivid dreams so don't be alarmed.



Also try pregnenolone 30 mgs/day, it is an over the counter hormone, very

safe.  It does many things in the body and will help get you back in an

unstressed balance, especially if you are over 40 as like many other

hormones it decreases with age.



Essential fatty acids, are needed. Flax seed oil, borage oil are less

expensive than evening primrose.  EPA's  from fish oil is good too.  Barley

sprout juice (you can get it in powder- Green Magma is the best for the

money, it is also just the best).



Email me as I use many of these with my patients, I am a DC who

specializes in nutrition and herbal meds.  web page, advice is always free,

http://users.aol.com/drd4u/index.html



See ya' in the funny pages!

:-{)





Dr. Demetrios Kydonieus, BS, DC.  Active practice in Middle Georgia. 

Internet Nutritional Consultant. 8 years and continuing practice with all

types of healthcare problems.   Specialist in Chiropractic and Nutritional

Sciences.  Treating the body as a who





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Please need info on flax oil

From: drd4u@aol.com (Dr D 4U)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 19:45:04 GMT

--------

Yes,



Listen to the doc, 1 tablespoon cold pressed.  Capsules are good if you

don't like the taste.  



The pros are many;  acts mainly as an anti-inflammatory, balances out

brain chemistry (great for ADD kids- they need this stuff)  Good for the

skin and GI tract



Email me with your specific questions or look me up on my web page:



http://users.aol.com/drd4u/index.html



:-{)



Dr. Demetrios Kydonieus, BS, DC.  Active practice in Middle Georgia. 

Internet Nutritional Consultant. 8 years and continuing practice with all

types of healthcare problems.   Specialist in Chiropractic and Nutritional

Sciences.  Treating the body as a who





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Please need info on flax oil

From: jwalkerh@mindspring.com (EEOPro)

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 05:04:59 GMT

--------

DrD,

Can flax oil be effective if used externally?  I read somewhere that

EFAs can be absorbed thru the skin... true?

Thanx alot,

Jeny



drd4u@aol.com (Dr D 4U) wrote:



>Yes,



>Listen to the doc, 1 tablespoon cold pressed.  Capsules are good if you

>don't like the taste.  



>The pros are many;  acts mainly as an anti-inflammatory, balances out

>brain chemistry (great for ADD kids- they need this stuff)  Good for the

>skin and GI tract



>Email me with your specific questions or look me up on my web page:



>http://users.aol.com/drd4u/index.html



>:-{)



>Dr. Demetrios Kydonieus, BS, DC.  Active practice in Middle Georgia. 

>Internet Nutritional Consultant. 8 years and continuing practice with all

>types of healthcare problems.   Specialist in Chiropractic and Nutritional

>Sciences.  Treating the body as a who









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Aphrodisiacs  -  Info. Wanted

From: drd4u@aol.com (Dr D 4U)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 19:45:06 GMT

--------

I would not recommend Ma Huang as it is basically "speed" and people with

heart or kidney trouble shouldn't take it as it may be dangerous.



Yomhimbe is the only true proven herbal aphrodisiac.  It too is very

potent and good for females and males.



All the others you list are general stimulants to give you energy and get

you going.  Ginseng is not really an aphrodisiac although it is touted as

one, for some it wil and for others who don't need it it won't. but it

can't hurt to try.



Email me with your specific questions or look me up on my web page:



http://users.aol.com/drd4u/index.html



:-{)



Dr. Demetrios Kydonieus, BS, DC.  Active practice in Middle Georgia. 

Internet Nutritional Consultant. 8 years and continuing practice with all

types of healthcare problems.   Specialist in Chiropractic and Nutritional

Sciences.  Treating the body as a who





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal Aphrodisiacs  -  Info. Wanted

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:53:56 GMT

--------

On 10 Nov 1997 19:45:06 GMT, drd4u@aol.com (Dr D 4U) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I would not recommend Ma Huang as it is basically "speed" and people with

>heart or kidney trouble shouldn't take it as it may be dangerous.

>

>Yomhimbe is the only true proven herbal aphrodisiac.  It too is very

>potent and good for females and males.



... I would disagree with the word 'good' in above sentence. And even

with the word aphrodisiac; yes, it sends more blood to the genitals; no,

that is not necessarily pleasant. Read up on yohimbe in the medicinal

herbfaq, and try Muira puama instead. Or chocolate.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,own.health.herbs

Subject: Food From Decay

From: Bryan Ness <botany.guide@miningco.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:32:29 -0800

--------

Read a new article at The Botany Site, "Food From Decay," which

is all about mushrooms.  Learn a few of the common edible mushrooms, how

to avoid the poisonous ones, and how to get started hunting for your own

mushrooms.  Read the article by going to the following URL:



http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa110997.htm



Along with the article is a review of book "Mushrooms Demystified"

by David Arora.  This is one of the best mushrooms guides available for

North America.  To read the review, go to the following URL:



http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa111197.htm



Follow the link at the bottom of this message to see what else is at The

Botany Site.

-- 

______________________________________________________________

Bryan Ness, Botany Guide           http://botany.miningco.com/

botany.guide@miningco.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Dokudami

From: jyoti@no-spam.mango.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 10 Nov 1997 23:27:02 GMT

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There is a very well-known (around here) medicinal plant growing wild 

around our house which has the Japanese name of "dokudami".  Does anyone 

happen to know the english name for this herb?  I've been able to find 

translations for all the other plants I've come in contact with here, but 

I'm stumped on this one.



Bruce

Sendai, Japan



-- 

Bruce Boyd

LTUS Language Teachers' Union of Sendai





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Subject: Re: Dokudami

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:30:21 -0500

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Bruce Boyd wrote in message ...

>There is a very well-known (around here) medicinal plant growing wild

>around our house which has the Japanese name of "dokudami".  Does anyone

>happen to know the english name for this herb?  I've been able to find

>translations for all the other plants I've come in contact with here, but

>I'm stumped on this one.

>

>Bruce

>Sendai, Japan

>

>--

>Bruce Boyd

>LTUS Language Teachers' Union of Sendai



How about a description, Bruce?  What's it look like, where does it like to

grow, what is it used for?



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Dokudami

From: patrici@ak.net

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:53:43 -0900

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Bruce Boyd wrote:

> 

> There is a very well-known (around here) medicinal plant growing wild

> around our house which has the Japanese name of "dokudami".  Does anyone

> happen to know the english name for this herb?  I've been able to find

> translations for all the other plants I've come in contact with here, but

> I'm stumped on this one.

> 

> Bruce

> Sendai, Japan

> 

> --

> Bruce Boyd

> LTUS Language Teachers' Union of Sendai



Bruce,



I used to live in Japan/Okinawa for a few years and if this plant is 

what I think it is, I might be able to help you.  What I'm thinking of 

is Houttuynia cordata (also known as Vap Ca or Jap Ca in Vietnamese).  

As far as I know, it doesn't have an English name.  It grows in wettish 

places as a groundcover, is mostly leaves, and sometimes has tiny white 

flowers with yellow fuzzy tall centers.  It spreads by rhizomes and the 

leaves have different colors in them and smell like a cross between 

cilantro and lemons.  I think it will grow in both shade & sun, but 

the more sun it gets, the prettier the leaves.  When I got back to the 

US, I tried to grow a different Houttuynia cordata with variegated 

leaves, but it hasn't been hardy for me because of the cold. 



It would help if you could say some more about how this plant looks, 

smells, where it grows, etc. If it turns out you have a tall shrub with 

tiny dark leaves and purple flowers, then everything I wrote above is 

obviously garbage.  Japan has some nice botanical gardens - try looking 

for a botanist to help you.  I really enjoyed the people, although 

Okinawa was a lot less crowded and more friendly.



Good luck



Patricia

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Subject: Re: Dokudami

From: jyoti@canspam.mango.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 25 Nov 1997 22:46:04 GMT

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In article <346AF857.13EC@ak.net>, patrici@ak.net wrote:



> 

> I used to live in Japan/Okinawa for a few years and if this plant is 

> what I think it is, I might be able to help you.  What I'm thinking of 

> is Houttuynia cordata (also known as Vap Ca or Jap Ca in Vietnamese).  

> As far as I know, it doesn't have an English name.  It grows in wettish 

> places as a groundcover, is mostly leaves, and sometimes has tiny white 

> flowers with yellow fuzzy tall centers.  It spreads by rhizomes and the 

> leaves have different colors in them and smell like a cross between 

> cilantro and lemons.  I think it will grow in both shade & sun, but 

> the more sun it gets, the prettier the leaves.  When I got back to the 

> US, I tried to grow a different Houttuynia cordata with variegated 

> leaves, but it hasn't been hardy for me because of the cold. 

> 

> It would help if you could say some more about how this plant looks, 

> smells, where it grows, etc. If it turns out you have a tall shrub with 

> tiny dark leaves and purple flowers, then everything I wrote above is 

> obviously garbage.  Japan has some nice botanical gardens - try looking 

> for a botanist to help you.  I really enjoyed the people, although 

> Okinawa was a lot less crowded and more friendly.

> 

> Good luck

> 

> Patricia

> REAL E-MAIL:  Change "ak" to "alaska"



Hello Patricia and others who have replied,



Sorry it took me so long to get back to you.  I had some technical problems.



Yes, the plant you described above is in fact the one in my garden, known 

as "dokudami".  After doing some web "searching" I was able to find the 

latin name (which you mention above).  Still no English name though.  If 

it were to appear in the States, I assume it would be known as dokudami.  

Here it is a popular herb tea, available in most tea shops.



thanks,

Bruce

Sendai, Japan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: alcohol and sweating

From: jac0937@mailer.fsu.edu

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:35:19 -0500

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This is a complez question:

First, are there any natural herbs/supplements that curtail cravings for

alcohol?

Second, are there any natural herbs/supplements that prevent profuse

sewating?

And third, are the two related?



Thanks!







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: alcohol and sweating

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:31:07 -0500

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Kudzu root, also available in the US as a solid extract in capsule form, has

been helpful in withdrawal from alcohol addiction.



-RJO





jac0937@mailer.fsu.edu wrote in message

<3467E086.277880AF@mailer.fsu.edu>...

>This is a complez question:

>First, are there any natural herbs/supplements that curtail cravings for

>alcohol?

>Second, are there any natural herbs/supplements that prevent profuse

>sewating?

>And third, are the two related?

>

>Thanks!

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Propagating Stevia....

From: schmitt100@aol.com (Schmitt100)

Date: 11 Nov 1997 14:53:15 GMT

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I don't have it with me, but the current issue of "Herb Companion" has a

 article devoted to Stevia. If you can get your hands on a copy, they are

 usutally pretty good about telling you how to grow and propogate the herbs

 they are writing about.



Rebecca



>I have some Stevia growing, now what is the best method to propagate...









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Pitoriasis rosea

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 11 Nov 97 16:09:11 GMT

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My brother has a bright pink rash on his back - he has had it in varying 

degrees for about a year.  He says it has been diagnosed as Pitoriasis rosea

- he was guessing at the spelling, but it WASN'T psoriasis.  It is itchy, but 

not to the point where he's breaking the skin.



Anybody heard of this?  More important, anybody got any herbal 

suggestions for treating this?



TIA

Kathy



-- 

       

                   ***************************                      

Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight

Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

                                 - Bruce Cockburn





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Subject: Re: Pitoriasis rosea

From: "Eva Jung" <jung@ezaccess.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:28:39 -0500

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my husband has it. I've heard of no herbal treatments but our doctor

recommended using Selsun Blue. Apply it to the rash and leave overnight. It

may take 2 applications but it worked for my husband. To make sure that's

what it is look at it under a black light; it will look white or bright

orange.



Kathryn Ford wrote in message <34688327.0@207.168.31.4>...

>My brother has a bright pink rash on his back - he has had it in varying

>degrees for about a year.  He says it has been diagnosed as Pitoriasis

rosea

>- he was guessing at the spelling, but it WASN'T psoriasis.  It is itchy,

but

>not to the point where he's breaking the skin.

>

>Anybody heard of this?  More important, anybody got any herbal

>suggestions for treating this?

>

>TIA

>Kathy

>

>--

>

>                   ***************************

>Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight

>Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

>                                 - Bruce Cockburn









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.aromatherapy,alt.aromatherapy,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,misc.misc,alt.health.ayurveda

Subject: Complementary Therapy Societies and Associations

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:39:53 +0000

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Non Specific

The Institute for Complementary Medicine

ICM, P.O.Box 194, London SE16 1QZ



The Natural Health Network



Chardstock House, Chard, Somerset, TA20 2TL

Tel 01460 63229.



The National Consultative Council



39 Prestbury Road, Cheltemham, Gloucestershire, GL52 9PT

Tel 01242 512601.



Council for Complementary Medicine



10 Belgrave Square, London SW1 8PU<



The British Holistic Medical Association



179 Gloucester Place, London, NW1 6DX

Tel 0171 262 5299.



I.R.H.H.P.(UK)



Registrar, International Register of Holistic Health Practitioners,(UK),

21 Coral Street, Leicester, LE4 5BG.

{Details of Alternative medicine practitioners, health visitors, doctors

and physio-therapists available. Membership also available.}



Health Practitioners Association



6 Cobden Court, Wimpole Close, Bromley, Kent BR2 9JF.

Tel 0181 466 8688. {A multi-disciplinary organisation founded in 1935 to

represent professional interests and to set standards of training and

education for the benefit of patient and practitioner.}





Acupuncture

Association of Chinese Acupuncture(College of Oriential Medicine)

Prospect House, 2 Grove Lane, Retford, Nottingham, DN22 6NA

Tel 01777 701509. {Provides patients' clinics, education and

registration in Chinese acupuncture, moxibustion and massage.}



Traditional Acupuncture Society



1 The Ridgeway, Stratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, CV37 9JL

Tel 01789 298798.



British Acupuncture Association and Register



34 Alderney Street, London, SW1V 4EU

Tel 0171 834 1012.



British College of Acupuncture



8 Hunter Street, London, WC1N 1BN

Tel 0171 833 8164.



Council for Acupuncture



179 Gloucester Place, London, NW1 6DX

Tel 0171 724 5756.





The Alexander Technique

The Professional Association of Alexander Teachers

14 Kingsland, Jesmond, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE2 3AL

Tel 0191 281 8032.





Allergy Therapy

The Institute of Allergy Therapists Ffynnonwen, Llangwryfon,

Aberystwyth, Dfye, SY23 4EY

Tel 019747 376.



Aromatherapy

Aromatherapy Trade Council

P.O. Box 38, Romford, Essex, RM1 2DN

{The ATC inforces a code of practice to raise standards of safety and

Quality in Aromtherapy Products.}



International Society of Professional Aromatherapists



Hinckley & District Hospital, The Annex, Mount Road, Hinkley, Leics,

LE10 1AG,

Tel 01455 637987. {The largest Aromatherapy association with

professional and student membership and accredited schools of of high

standard throughout the U.K. local Lists and hotline service F.O.C.

Journals and National register at cost.}





Register of Qualified Aromatherapists



52 Barrack lane, Aldwick, Bognor Regis, West Sussex, PO21 4DD

Tel 01243 262035. {Welcomes practitioners with extensive training for

public referal. list of recognised schools available.}



International Federation of Aromatherapists



Department of Continuing Education, The Royal Masonic Hospital,

Ravenscourt Park, London W6 0TN

Tel 0181 846 8066.



The Atlantic Institute of Aromatherapy, 



16018 Saddlestring Dr., 

Tampa, FL 33618 USA





Auriculotherapy

Society of Auricular Acupuncturists

Nurstead Lodge, Nurstead Meopham, Kent, DA13 9AD

Tel 01474 813770.





Autogenic Taining Therapy

The British Association for Autogenic Training and Therapy

BAFATT, 86 Harley Street, London, W1N 1AE





The Bates Method

The Bates Association of Great Britain

Friars Court, 11 Tarmount LAne, Shoreham-by-Sea, West Sussex, BN43 6RQ





Births

Birth & Bonding

{are an Association of trained Childbirth Educators and Doula/Birth

companions. For information about Doulas and birth preparation classes

throughout the country Tel 01272 638117}





Bach Flower Remedies

The Dr. Edward Bach Foundation

Mount Vernon, Sotwell, Wallingford, Oxon. OX10 0PZ.

Tel 01491 834678. {professional register of fully qualified therapists

trained at the Bach Centre. Details of practitioners on request.}





Chiropractic

The British Chiropractic Association

Equity House, 29 Whitley Street, Reading, RG2 0E9

Tel 01734 757557. {It represents the majority of chiropractors in

Britain. Members registered with the BCA have completed a minimum of

four years full-time training. They have graduated with the following

qualifications:- DC.B App.Sc(Chiro), Bsc Chiropractic.}



British Association for Applied Chiropractic.



The Old Post Office, Stratton Audley, Near Bicester, Oxon OX6 9BA.

Tel 01689 277111



McTimoney Chiropractic Association



21 High Street, Eynaham, Oxon, OX8 1HE

Tel 01865 880974. {Please send SAE for information.}





Colonic Hydrotherapy

Colonic International Association

31 Eton Hall, Eton College Road, London, NW3 2DE.

Tel & Fax 0171 483 1595





Craniosacral Therapy

The Craniosacral Therapy Association of The United Kingdom

Craniosacral Therapy Association, Monomark House, 27 Old Gloucester

Street, London WC1N 3XX

Telephone: +44 (0)1886 884121



http://www.cadenza.org/cst/





Healing

National Federation of Spiritual Healers

Old Manor Farm Studio, Church Street, Sunbury on Thames, Middlesec TW16

6RG. 



Tel 01932 783164. {Healer Referal Service. Tel 0891 616080 or SAE for

information.}



World Federation of Healing



The Membership Secretary. 9 Gallards Close, London Road, Southborough,

Tunbridge Wells, Kent, TN4 0NB



Tel 01892 514342. {This is the federation for all therapists in the

field of healing. Training courses are available for healers.}



The British Alliance of Healing Associations



Mr Wallace,

Tel 01502 742224 or 01372 733241. {Member of the Confederation of

Healing Organisations.}





Herbal

NIMH - National Institute of Medical Herbalists

56 Longbrook Street, Exeter

EX4 6AH, U.K.

Tel: 01392 426022 Fax 01392 498963



The General Council and Register of Consultant Herbalists



A register of herbalists and homoeopaths (code of ethics, disciplinary

procedure, malpractice insurance etc.) , formed in 1960. Addresses etc.

given below: contact (Andrew Fenby) at the education office, or email,

facultyhm@wystan.demon.co.uk



REGISTERED OFFICE (Practitioner/General enquiries)

32 King Edward Road

Swansea

SA1 4LL

Telephone: 01792 655886



EDUCATION OFFICE (training)

PO Box 10388

London

N16 9BQ

Telephone 0171 503 5980



PUBLICATION

Vis Medicatrix Naturae (quarterly)

PO Box 10388

London

N16 9BQ

Telephone 0171 503 5980





Holistic Massage

The Massage Training Institute

24 Highbury Grove, London, N5 2EA

Tel 0171 266 5313. {High Quality professional training in holistic

massage. National register of MTI pratitioners(Ethical and Insured).}





Homeopathy

The Homeopathic Society

2 Powis Place, London, WC1N 3HT.

Tel 0171 837 3297. { Send for a free copy of the leading magazine

"Health and Homeopathy" an info pack on how to obtain treatment on the

NHS and a list of Homeopathic Doctors.}



The Society of Homeopaths



2 Artizan Road, Northamptom, NN1 4HU

Tel 01604 21400, Fax 01604 22622. { Register of fully trained and

qualified professional Homeopaths.}



The United Kingdom Homeopathic Medical Association



Administration Office, 6 Livingstone Road, Gravesend, Kent, DA12 5DZ.

Tel & Fax 01474 560336. {Qualified Homeopaths, (MHMA) Bound by a code of

ethics, covered by professional indemnity insurance, Register on

request.}



The Register of Homoeopathic Practitioners



REGISTERED OFFICE (Practitioner/General enquiries)

32 King Edward Road

Swansea

SA1 4LL

Telephone: 01792 655886



EDUCATION OFFICE (training)

PO Box 10388

London

N16 9BQ

Telephone 0171 503 5980





Hypnotherapy

Association of Professional Therapists (APT)

57 The Spinney, Sidcup, Kent, DA14 5NE

Tel 0181 308 0249. { Nationwide register of hypnotherapists with high

standards of training and ethics.}



British Hypnosis Research



St. Matthews House. Brick Road, Darbey Abbey, Derby, DE22 1DQW.

Tel 01332 541030, {Initials:DiPEH PNLP (BHR); Insurance and code of

ethics; 800 practitioners; member of the BCMA, Send SAE for register.}



British Society of Clinical Hypnotherapists



229a Sussex Gardens. Lancaster Gate, London W2 2RL





Tel 0171 402 9037. {For a nationwide list of practioners.}



Central Register of Advanced Hypnotherapists



28 Finsbury Road, London, N4 2JX

{Membership by full practical and theoretical training, postgraduate

clinical supervision and continuing professional education programmes.

Send SAE for Explanatory leaflets and details of your local

therapist(s).}



Corporation of Advanced Hypnotherapy



P.O. Box 70, Southport, Lancs. PR8 3JB

Tel 01704 576285 or 01689 843509. { Specialists in HypnoHealing and

emotional problems. Our practitioners are the only ones trained

worldwide in HypnoHealing.}



British Council of Hypnotist Examiners



Tel 01723 585960. {For Qualified Hypnotherapists>}





Iridology

Guild of Naturopathic Iridologists

94 Grovenor Road, London, SW1V 3LS

Tel 0171 834 3579. {Affiliated to Holistic Health College & ICM

Qualified & experienced iridologists & Naturopathic Practitioners. Code

of ethics. Professional insurance.}





Kinesiology

The Kinesiology Federation

30 Sudley Road, Bognor Regis, Sussex PO21 1ER

{Kinesiology promotes optimum physical, emotional and spiritual health,

restoring balance to the subtle energy channels and stimulating the

body's natural healing precess.}



Association of Systematic Kinesiology



30 Browns Road, Surbiton, Surrey KT5 8ST

{Applied Kinesiology uses gentle muscle testing to discover sub-clinical

functional imbalaces, massage, diet, lifestyle chages to correct them,

relieving pain, stress, enhancing health and well-being.}





Nutritional Therapy

Society for the Promotion of Nutritional Therapy (SPNT)

P.O. Box 47, Heathfield, East Sussex, TN21 8ZX

Tel 01435 867007. { Educational and campaigning organisation with lay

and practitioner members. Useful information bulletin for members. Send

SAE and 1.00 for information and a list of your nearest nutritional

therapists.}



The Institute for Optimum Nutrition



Blades Court, Deodar Road, London SW15 2NU

Tel 0181877 9993. {ION an independent charity, exists to help you

achieve optimum health. ION offer short courses, homestudy courses,

books, a magazine, consultations - and a Nutrition Consultants Diploma

Course.}



Nutrition Consultants Association



24 Wadham Road, London, SW15 2LR

{Professionally qualified, indemnified and bound by stringent Codes of

Ethics and practice. Directory of Practitioners (2.00)}





Osteopathy

Natural Theraputic Osteopathic Society and Register

14 MArford Road, Wheathampstead, Herts, AL4 8AS

Tel 01582 833950. {Send a large SAE for a register of members who use DO

and MNTOS}





Polarity Therapy

British Polarity Council

Monomonk House, 27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3XX

{Send 1 for a ful register of polarity therapists and schools in the

UK}





Psychovisual Therapy

Psychovisual Therapy Association

Michael Corr-Jones, P.O. Box 1193. Poole, Dorset.

Tel 01202 739369, Fax 01202 715008. {The training organisation for

existing hypnotherapists and beginners to extend their knowledge of

psychotherapy and hypnotherapy. Psychovisual Therapy combines ancient

wisdoms and proven psychological techniques and the latest technology.}





Rebirthing

British Rebirthing Society

5 Manor Road, Catcott, Bridgewater, Somerset, TA7 9HT.

Tel 01278 722536. {Send a SAE for register of qualified practitioners

and training courses.}





Reflexology

The Philip Salmon Reflexology Information Centre

Research House, P.O. Box 131, Fraser Road, Greenford, Middlesex, UB6 7DX

Tel 0181 810 5644. {Accredited Courses, Reflexology Workshops,

Practitioner Register, Reflexology Posters, Booklist, Send SAE for

information.}



The Association of Reflexologists



27 Old Gloucester Street, London, WC1N 3XX

Tel 0990 673320. {Information about membership of the association,

Reflexology practitioners, Accredited Training Course leading to a

professional qualification or "speakers" prepared to give

talks/demonstration.}



Reflexologists Society



127 Bullbrook Drive, Bracknell, Berkshire, RG12 2QR

Tel 01344 429770. {Initials MRxS or FRxS; Insurance and Code of Ethics;

Member of the BCMA and ICM. Send SAE for your local practitioner and

membership details. Talks and Demonstrations can be arranged.}



The I.I.R. Membership (UK)



Tel 01732 350629. {For a fully trained, insured, professional

practitioner in Reflexology in your area with the use of the letters

I.I.R. Dip or M.I.I.R. regd,}



The British Reflexology Association 



Monks Orchard, Whitborne, Worcester, WR6 5RB

Tel/Fax 01886 8211207. {Register of members 1.50. Details of training

courses, Books Charts SAE required.}





Shiatsu

The European Shiatsu Network

Highbanks, Lockeridge, Marlborough, Wiltshire,SN8 4TQ

Tel 01672 861362. {Co-ordinates comprehensive training courses

throughout Europe leading to professional Shiatsu Qualifications.}





Support Groups and Organisations

The Arthritic Association

First Floor Suite, 2 Hyde Gardens, Eastbourne, BN21 4PN

Provides Dietary guidance with homeopathic and herbal treatment to help

relieve those suffering from arthritis and rhuematitis.}

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Subject: acupuncture/career

From: Lawrence Case <landkcase@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:32:30 +0000

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I need some info. on acupuncture.  I am planning on getting my master's

degree in oriental medicine and acupuncture, but am wondering how much

money they make.  I will have to take loans out to attend the college. I

need to know approx. how much they make so I can figure my loans. I

would be grateful for any info. anyone can give me. ( Including info. on

loans, financial aid, or any other means of getting money).Thanks.     

K. Case









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Subject: Re: acupuncture/career

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 01:16:51 GMT

--------

In article <3468BEAE.4977@earthlink.net>, Lawrence Case

<landkcase@earthlink.net> writes:



>I need some info. on acupuncture.  I am planning on getting my master's

>degree in oriental medicine and acupuncture, but am wondering how much

>money they make.  I will have to take loans out to attend the college. I

>need to know approx. how much they make so I can figure my loans. I

>would be grateful for any info. anyone can give me. ( Including info. on

>loans, financial aid, or any other means of getting money).Thanks.     

>K. Case



Having just finished a book on this topic (natural medicine careers), I've

probably got more information on this than you want, but feel free to

e-mail me. A  formal survey of acupuncturists in California done a few

years ago showed incomes ranging from $25,000/year to $110,000/year -- with

most falling somewhere in the middle. A friend pointed out to me that to

keep your NCCA certification in the United States, you have to see a

minimum number of patients per year -- going on the average of $50 per

hour, we decided that meant you couldn't be making less than $20,000 per year.



As for financial aid, if the college is accredited in the United States by

a Department of Education recognized accrediting body (and there is a

specialized accrediting body for acupuncture), the school has probably

qualified for the standard federal loan packages, work-study, etc. Some

schools also offer state financial aid packages. Others do have merit or

academic scholarships (those are fairly rare). A few local associations

also offer merit scholarships, although they tend to be fairly small amounts.



If you're in Canada, many of the Canadian schools  qualify for Canadian

student loan programs. Check out the web site: http://www.acupuncture.com/

for information on different schools.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Echinacea (Angustrifolia Root) - Where to find info?

From: bmeister@mindspring.com (R L Aelick)

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:39:19 GMT

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What magazines, web sites, or usenet groups may one use to find

information on the captioned?



Thank you.





"If the phone doesn't ring, it's me..."  - Jimmy Buffett





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Subject: SCHOOLS for Herbal Medicine?

From: oprasngr@aol.com (OPRASNGR)

Date: 12 Nov 1997 01:06:34 GMT

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I am interested in becoming an herbalist, and I am seeking information on the

 best schools and professional accreditations and organizations.  There is so

 much information on schools on the internet, it is a bit confusing.  Can any

 of you point me in some sort of direction, or at least tell me where you got

 your training?





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Subject: Re: SCHOOLS for Herbal Medicine?

From: Blue Wolf <bluewolfGuardian@wizard.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:11:53 GMT

--------

On 12 Nov 1997 01:06:34 GMT, oprasngr@aol.com (OPRASNGR) wrote:



}I am interested in becoming an herbalist, and I am seeking

information on the

} best schools and professional accreditations and organizations.

There is so

} much information on schools on the internet, it is a bit confusing.

Can any

} of you point me in some sort of direction, or at least tell me where

you got

} your training?



The best place to go is the American Botanical Council

http://www.herbalgram.org/index.html



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happened to notice that the two people I saw post about this both had

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Subject: Re: SCHOOLS for Herbal Medicine?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 01:17:00 GMT

--------

In article <19971112010601.UAA19273@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

oprasngr@aol.com (OPRASNGR) writes:



>

>I am interested in becoming an herbalist, and I am seeking information on the

> best schools and professional accreditations and organizations.  There is so

> much information on schools on the internet, it is a bit confusing.  Can any

> of you point me in some sort of direction, or at least tell me where you got

> your training?



Check the American Herbalists Guild's web site. They publish a booklet

each year that details many, many herbalist training courses.



At this point in time, there is not a Department of Education recognized

accrediting body for herbalism. Which basically means there isn't a degree

granting institution in herbalism that can qualify for federal financial

aid. In short, this is a field where accreditation means less than

individual instructors, the school's reputation, etc.



Nor is there any legal definition of Master Herbalist, etc, in the United

States, so there are no licensing laws that require you to attend any type

of accredited school.

Anybody can use the title Master Herbalist in this country if they want to

-- they don't have to go to school, etc..  Most of the time that you see it

used, like in reference to particular herbalists working in this country,

it refers to their years of experience and the respect of their peers.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

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Subject: Re: Hair and Nails

From: "Eva Jung" <jung@ezaccess.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:35:30 -0500

--------

Actually it's protein not calcium. Gelatin capsules (not empty ones) that

you get in the vitamin section of a pharmacy work great



Schmitt100 wrote in message

<19971027171901.MAA18982@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Calcium is also good for nails and I would imagine hair as they are made of

the

> same stuff. Also, if you are female, helps with prevention of osteporosus

> (sp!) If male, I would check with a doctor, as I believe it can cause

kidney

> stones.

>

>Rebecca









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair and Nails

From: jwalkerh@mindspring.com (EEOPro)

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:23:17 GMT

--------

Hi all,

Per my dermatologist, gelatin capsules don't work.  The main thing to

do to help your nails is to massage them with vaseoline at night.  It

also helps if you can also wear gloves while gardening, washing dishes

and doing other "wet work".

Jeny







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair and Nails

From: "Eva Jung" <jung@ezaccess.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:10:54 -0500

--------

I've used GC since I was 14. MY nails grow so fast I can't keep up with

them, and my hair is down the middle of my back with no split ends or

damage. Your derm. is wrong. I'm not saying that to start an argument just

because in my personal ex. they work.



EEOPro wrote in message <64cdu7$37p@camel20.mindspring.com>...

>Hi all,

>Per my dermatologist, gelatin capsules don't work.  The main thing to

>do to help your nails is to massage them with vaseoline at night.  It

>also helps if you can also wear gloves while gardening, washing dishes

>and doing other "wet work".

>Jeny

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Hair and Nails

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:18:26 -0500

--------

EEOPro wrote in message <64cdu7$37p@camel20.mindspring.com>...

>Hi all,

>Per my dermatologist, gelatin capsules don't work.  The main thing to

>do to help your nails is to massage them with vaseoline at night.  It

>also helps if you can also wear gloves while gardening, washing dishes

>and doing other "wet work".

>Jeny

>



IMO, if you are getting all of the components gelatin provides from your

normal diet, then gelatin will not show any benefit.  However, unless you

are eating lots of animal skin (not recommended because of the fat content)

or chewing and swallowing the tendons, ligaments and cartilage of the meat

you eat (and I mean LOTS of it), you are probably not getting the quantity

of certain amino acids (especially proline) found in concentrated form in

gelatin.  Proline, and structures containing quantities of proline, are very

resistant to chemical breakdown (including digestion), which is what makes

them invaluable in the body where strength, durability and flexibility are

all required.  Unfortunately, this also makes it hard for us to get enough

proline from our food, even if we eat significant sources.  Since gelatin is

actually "predigested" connective tissue, it stands to reason that it may be

able to supply at least some of those components the body needs in order to

produce collagen, and those structures of which collagen comprises the major

part.  So, while your dermatologist may not be entirely wrong, he is

probably not entirely right.



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tx for displasia query

From: "SilDra" <jennifer.swaim.3@nd.edu>

Date: 12 Nov 1997 06:06:43 GMT

--------

Can anyone tell me anything about herbal treatments for cervical dysplasia?

basically this is a condition where precancerous cells form in the cervix. 

Current medicine requires 

cryogenic, laser or scalpel removal of the cells.  That's about all I know,

and I have been unsuccessful finding anything anywhere.

SilDra

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Subject: Re: tx for displasia query

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:15:00 -0900

--------

 Here is something I just wrote up for someone else regarding this:



 First thing is to go on a Detoxification Program and use Anti-Oxidants,

  Calcium, Evening Primrose Oil, and Vitamins.



 Here is a diet to encourage strong immune response against dysplasia:

  Increase fresh fruits and vegetables (especially cruciferous vegetables) and

  high fiber complex carbohydrates, as protective factors. Add high folic acid

  foods like lima beans, whole wheat and brewer's yeast.

  Add vegetable juices and/or green drinks for immune support and

  supplementing vitamin deficiencies.

  Add 2 TBS. chopped sea vegetables as a viable source of marine carotene. Add

  cold water fish like salmon for omega-3 oils.

  Reduce dietary fat, especially from animal fats. Reduce caffeine, hard

  liquor and processed foods.

  Avoid red meat and poultry foods. These may have been contaminated with

  estrogens or other hormone treatments. However, there are natural turkeys

  that do not use these synthetic hormones. If you can find them, you can eat

  those.

  Particularly avoid foods that aggravate herpes-type infections like sugary

  junk foods.

 

  You may also want to add these things after you have detoxed:

  Royal Bee Jelly with Siberian Ginseng--2 tsp. daily.

  Aloe Vera juice--2 times daily.

  Pau D' Arco/Echinacea extract, 2 cups daily of burdock tea, and a course of

  vaginal packs.

  Calcium to prevent pre-cancerous lesions from becoming cancerous. 

  Evening Primrose Oil--6 daily.  

  I also have some recipes for vaginal packs if you are interested in them.

  Let me know if you are interested in this, then I will give you a recipe.

  You will make it yourself, and need to abstain from intercourse during

  treatment. It is my understanding that surgery can be avoided by using them.

  It's placed against the cervix to draw out toxic waste and slough abnormal

  cells.

 

  Alternating hot and cold hydrotherapy or sitz baths will promote immune

  activity to the pelvic area.

  

Hope that will help you out.

Kay





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              or

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Angelica/Dong Quai

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca

Date: 12 Nov 1997 14:24:32 GMT

--------



Hi.



What's the difference - if any - with Dong Quai, Dang Gui (sp?), and Angelica?

Is Angelica sinensis (sp?) different from Angelica... or am I just terribly 

confused.  :)



If someone could clear this up for me, that would be great.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Angelica/Dong Quai

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:18:07 -0500

--------

mmcavoy@escape.ca wrote in message <64ce70$nrl$2@postern.mbnet.mb.ca>...

>

> Hi.

>

> What's the difference - if any - with Dong Quai, Dang Gui (sp?), and

Angelica?

> Is Angelica sinensis (sp?) different from Angelica... or am I just

terribly

> confused.  :)

>

> If someone could clear this up for me, that would be great.







In Europe, "Angelica" is Angelica archangelica, an herb with a reputation

stretching back centuries.  In North America, Angelica atropurpurea has been

used in medicine since before the European invasion.



In traditional Chinese medicine (TCM), "Angelica" generally refers to

Angelica sinensis, known by the names Dong Quai, Dang Gui, Tang Kuei, etc.

(which are attempts to approximate the Chinese pronunciation using the

European alphabet).  This is one of the most widely used herbs in China,

especially in tonics for women.  It is regarded as a "blood tonic"

primarily.



In addition, TCM utilizes a number of other Angelica species.  A. dahurica

(or A. anomala), known as "Bai Zhi" or "Bai Jih" is used to treat

discomforts arising from "external wind-injury": frontal headaches, sore and

watery eyes, nasal congestion, etc.  Angelicae pubescens or A. grosserrata,

called Du Huo or Tu Huo (and sometimes sold as Angelica Duhuo) is a

yellow-flowered species used to release internal heat in external wind

injury and external damp injury: headache, blurry vision from exposure;

rheumatism and related problems from damp exposure; pain in lower back and

knees.  There is also a purple-flowered Angelica considered to be a

botanical variety of A. pubescens, known as Chiang Huo, used for internal

damp-heat injury (rheumatic pain that moves around in the body).



Hope this helps...



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: soy baby formula

From: qlambert2@northernway.net

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:34:10 -0600

--------

Breast is best, if not mother's milk, then I guess we have to stick with

other mammalian milk. Soy beans have been used for infant feeding for 30

years--exactly. No other culture in history has used soy milk for babies

and "your grandmother" would think "something seems fishy" giving ground

up beans, corn syrup, table sugar and coconut milk to infants. My first

child was a very bad nurser and we switched to formula at 3 weeks, much

to our disappointment)this is an emotional issue and any risks here are

not great for any one individual kid, but for 25% of the US infant

population...this is a huge public health problem.  I am a pediatrician

and I know soy formula is very well tolerated by infants, particularly

"spitty" or "colickly" ones.  I usually recommend carnation "good start"

to try to "ride out" what is usually a self limited problem.  My issue is

with the formula companies, the soybean industry and the public health

community.  Why haven't long term follow-up studies been done to look at

health effects?  Why hasn't this story been given publicity in the media?

People got all upset about Alar in applesauce (No biological effects) and

are ignoring a major hormone disruptor proved to be present in infant's

bloodstreams in high concentrations.



OBTW.has anyone had any luck getting their infant to switch back to

regular formula after starting on soy?



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: soy baby formula

From: doug <des@ellijay.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:36:15 -0500

--------

qlambert2@northernway.net wrote:

> 

> ....Soy beans have been used for infant feeding for 30

> years--exactly. No other culture in history has used soy milk for babies

> and "your grandmothe...



I can't relate this from memory, because I was very young when I was

intolerant of any mammalian milk.  But as I am now 36 years of age and

was (allegedly) raised on soy milk, I have to disagree with either or

both of the above statements.



Although I was consuming soy milk as an infant, I can't say that it was

in use in the USA at the time.  I was raised in Germany.  So I don't

know that we can assume that no other culture in history has used soy

milk for babies...







> I am a pediatrician

> and I know soy formula is very well tolerated by infants, particularly

> "spitty" or "colickly" ones. 



Yes, I suppose of the alternatives that were available I was given the

best choice.  I have lived for 36 up to this point, whereas I'd have

probably starved if I had continued to be unable to consume mamallian

milks.



An interesting observation...  As I grew older, I grew tolerant of dairy

products, and then there eventually was a time when all foods were well

tolerated, (specifically meats...)  However, I had severe bouts of

hayfever, which although treated by experimental and traditional methods

were unchanged in their intensity.



A number of years ago, I turned vegetarian, for unrelated reasons, and

the very next summer, my allergies were practically non-existant.



Now then, this may or not be evidence in this case, who knows what

enzymes in mother's milk may help to prevent allergies?



There's probably a plethora of circumstances that affect such body

chemistry balances, and the evidence is likely tainted, because of the

factors which influence anything that doesn't happen in a controlled

clinical environment.



But I think the -circumstantial- evidence should at least be considered, 



It's true...  soy milk will eventually force you to turn vegetarian! 

(g)





doug





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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Sweaty hands and Feet???

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:15:57 GMT

--------

cupowater@aol.com (CupOwater) wrote:



>Does anyone have any insight or recommendations for someone with sweaty palms

> and feet.  I am 5'11" and weight 155 lbs.  I am 26 years old have dirty blonde

> hair blue eyes.  White complexion, slightly dry skin, nervous type.



Try starting each morning with a cup of (rather strong) sage tea.  It

is quite effective in reducing glandular secretions.  If you find it

effective then cut back on strength of the tea until a happy, minimum

strength is determined.  Prepare the tea just as you would regular

tea.



You might try mixing it with various lesser combinations of valerian

and urtica.



Sage has a well-documented usage history. You'll have lots of fun

researching it.

___

jmt



---

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    Tainted-blood activist ...    Janet Conners







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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Enteric-coated capsules

From: gary_NOSPAM@gardeners.com (Gary Ross)

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:34:51 GMT

--------

Anyone know a source for empty enterically coated capsules?



Thanks,

Gary





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Essiac tea

From: Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins)

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:13:46 -0500

--------

I need information on what this tea is used for.   I know it is said to

be effective on some forms of cancer and need to know which ones.  Has

anyone used it and what results have you achieved?  I already have the

recipe for it.





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To: Vanessa Mullins <Chantria@webtv.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac tea

From: P h i l <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:31:53 -0700

--------

Vanessa Mullins wrote:

> 

> I need information on what this tea is used for.   I know it is said to

> be effective on some forms of cancer and need to know which ones.  Has

> anyone used it and what results have you achieved?  I already have the

> recipe for it.



A friend of mine who had prostate cancer tried it, along with  garlic

therapy, herbal helpers, supplements, and he was "religious" about using

it. Sadly, we buried him 4 months later. 

Make your own conclusions.

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P h i l

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac tea

From: elhughes@pop.srv.ualberta.ca (e hughes & g zarecki)

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:58:40 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:13:46 -0500, Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa

Mullins) wrote:



>I need information on what this tea is used for.   I know it is said to

>be effective on some forms of cancer and need to know which ones.  Has

>anyone used it and what results have you achieved?  I already have the

>recipe for it.



There are several books written about Essiac; try through a local

health food store. I can't recall specifics about which types of

cancer it is designed for. It hasn't been studied much, so evidence of

it's effectiveness is largely anecdotal - still, it does seem to work

for at least some people. So, like many folk medicines, there seems to

be *some* basis for a claim to benefit.



Certainly, if conventional medicince has been exhausted, it can't do

any harm. Even where it is not effective at curing the disease, it is

reported to promote a feeling of well-being, which is not a bad thing.



Best of luck,

Elaine

--

elhughes@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac tea

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:48:13 GMT

--------

Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins) wrote:



>I need information on what this tea is used for.   I know it is said to

>be effective on some forms of cancer and need to know which ones.  Has

>anyone used it and what results have you achieved?  I already have the

>recipe for it.



Wholistic catechists will advise you that using herbs to treat various

forms of chronic disease is inappropriate. Instead, herbs should be

used in a manner that addresses the fundamental cause(s) of disease.



Let's assume that you believe cancer is caused by long-term, systemic

poisoning of the body. Your wholistic approach would be to reduce or

eliminate the source of new toxins entering the body; eliminate toxins

presently within the body; and improve the body to such an extent that

it is capable of overcoming the cancer within the body.



Elimination-style herbal teas (such as Essiac) are greatly recommended

for people who have cancer because they are toxin mobilizers and

removers. For those who prefer a complementary regimen then drugs &

gizmos are often chosen to destroy the cancer directly while herbs are

used to ameliorate the toxic effects of allopathic treatment.  Those

choosing the alternative approach will use herbs to help the body

remove toxins, and to enhance bodily mechanisms that are combative of

the disease.



There are no magic bullets or cures in alternative health; such things

belong in the realm of the allopath. Wholistically, the body does all

the healing, and alternative thinking is to help it along. A cure is

not going to be found by taking one herbal tea; however, one herbal

tea can be a significant part of an intelligent, wholistic approach to

wellness attainment.



Trillions of dollars have been spent on allopathic cancer research and

little has been accomplished. Cancer "cure" rates are little better

today than they were fifty years ago.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Essiac tea

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:53:19 GMT

--------

In article <64dgnq$ic5$1@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>, Chantria@webtv.net

(Vanessa Mullins) writes:



>I need information on what this tea is used for.   I know it is said to

>be effective on some forms of cancer and need to know which ones.  Has

>anyone used it and what results have you achieved?  I already have the

>recipe for it.



Essiac: A Native Herbal Remedy by Cynthia Olsen contains an article by Jim

Chan, ND, that probably covers what you are asking. The book is available

through most health food stores or in your local library.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







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To: herbal@sunsite.unc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Update on CODEX website, etc. (fwd)

From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@sunsite.unc.edu>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:47:40 -0500

--------



 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

     Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the

 BuyGreen and Sustainably Grown (natural, ecological & biointensive) labels

        http://sunSITE.unc.edu/InterGarden    london@sunSITE.unc.edu

 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

[text deleted]

Subj:	 Codex website

Date:	97-11-12 08:25:51 EST

From:	Ellen.Matten@usda.gov (Matten, Ellen)



USCODEX has a website. It can be reached via the USDA web site or

directly.  Its URL is http://www.usda.gov/agency/fsis/codex/index.htm .



Thank you for your sending us a copy of your attempt to correct some of

the misapprehensions about Codex which can be found on the Internet.  I

hope you have better success than we have had in assuring folks that

Codex standards are not binding unless Congress agrees to make them

binding.  The vitamin and mineral supplemeints are of particulary

concern for many people.  In actuality, Codex has dropped any

consideration about herbal supplements and has returned the proposed

vitamin and mineral back to step 3 for government comments. You might

check the Codex website in Rome for their statement on the subject.(It

can be reached via our website). 



Sincerely,



Ellen Y. Matten

Staff Officer









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To: herbal@sunsite.unc.edu

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Update on CODEX website, etc. (fwd)

From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@sunsite.unc.edu>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:14:42 -0500

--------





 --------------------------------------------------------------------------

     Support your local organic market farmer, buy products bearing the

 BuyGreen and Sustainably Grown (natural, ecological & biointensive) labels

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---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:59:15 -0500 (EST)

From: Erorganic@aol.com

To: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu

Subject: Update on CODEX website, etc.



Subj:	 Codex website

Date:	97-11-12 08:25:51 EST

From:	Ellen.Matten@usda.gov (Matten, Ellen)

To:	Erorganic@AOL.COM ('Erorganic@aol.com')



Dear Mr. Kindberg:



Yes, USCODEX has a website.  It can be reached via the USDA web site or

directly.  Its URL is http://www.usda.gov/agency/fsis/codex/index.htm .



Thank you for your sending us a copy of your attempt to correct some of

the misapprehensions about Codex which can be found on the Internet.  I

hope you have better success than we have had in assuring folks that

Codex standards are not binding unless Congress agrees to make them

binding.  The vitamin and mineral supplemeints are of particulary

concern for many people.  In actuality, Codex has dropped any

consideration about herbal supplements and has returned the proposed

vitamin and mineral back to step 3 for government comments. You might

check the Codex website in Rome for their statement on the subject.(It

can be reached via our website). 



Sincerely,



Ellen Y. Matten

Staff Officer









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Subject: Cholesterol

From: "Gayle" <therads@fta.com>

Date: 13 Nov 1997 02:58:12 GMT

--------

Does anyone know any herbs or vitamins that will lower cholesterol?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cholesterol

From: Tika Waylan Majere <tika_waylan@geocities.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:24:18 -0600

--------

Gayle wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know any herbs or vitamins that will lower cholesterol?

Quoting the Silver Sage...

In the last couple of years, I have heard that more and more

frequently, MD's are suggesting that their patients with high

cholesterol "try" some cayenne (90,000 SU or above) and garlic.

I have also heard that guar gum is used for this also.



I have several clients that use garlic and cayenne, and their

cholesterol level has lowered.  In honesty, I must say that

there are also those who's cholesterol level hasn't changed.

But any treatment (allopathic drugs, or herbal) must be

accompanied by a good fat/cholesterol lowering diet.



I know many vegetarians who's fat intake (vegetable oils, eggs,

dairy for those who aren't vegans) is quite high.  So

vegetarianism isn't always a hedge against high cholesterol.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cholesterol

From: David J Lautermilch <djl@glasscity.net>

Date: 13 Nov 97 21:13:09 GMT

--------

Niacin - not nicotinamide lowers chlorest.  It is changed in the liver from Niacin [nicotinic acid] to the amide form at the exact place where human chlestoral is formed hence lowering chloresterol - the bad type and increasing the good type,  For this you must take it in mega-dose i.e. 500mg 3 or 4 times a day.  Most women won't put up with the hot flash when you first take it; it tends to sedate or lay you back too.





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Newsgroups: rec.food.drink.tea,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: is cider vinegar really health?

From: jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 16:27:37 GMT

--------

any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks 

like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance







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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:32:43 -0500

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jhowell wrote in message <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

>any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

>like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

>



I continue to find it hard to believe that consumption of quantities of

acetic acid can be good for you.  That stuff has to be detoxified somewhere

in the body, or excreted.  It just seems like another load of waste to be

gotten rid of.  hard on the kidneys, hard on the liver, and not much good

for anything else, at least not in the quantities I've seen recommended.

Maybe as a salad dressing, OK ( but I still prefer lime juice).



-RJO











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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: physical@erols.com

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:23:37 -0800

--------

Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> 

> jhowell wrote in message <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> >any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> >like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> >

> 

> I continue to find it hard to believe that consumption of quantities of

> acetic acid can be good for you.  That stuff has to be detoxified somewhere

> in the body, or excreted.  It just seems like another load of waste to be

> gotten rid of.  hard on the kidneys, hard on the liver, and not much good

> for anything else, at least not in the quantities I've seen recommended.

> Maybe as a salad dressing, OK ( but I still prefer lime juice).

> 

> -RJO



	"Drink" is not the context in which I would put vinegar!

	But, I must report incredible cravings for it! I used to drink it 

(wine vinegar) by the tablespoon!  Not that bad now, but still crave it.

	About the metabolism: 

	Acetic acid is technically just a very short fatty acid.  IF 

ACETIC ACID IS NOT TOO SHORT, the thiokinases which ACTIVATE fatty acids 

for beta oxidation would also activate acetic acid to acetyl-CoA, which 

is THE entry product into the "aerobic" (oxidative) pathway.  Activated 

acetic acid would be likely to BYPASS the transport mechanisms usually 

required of long activated fatty acids. 

	Then again, being water soluble, it's hard to say where these 

molecules really wind up, as they are not likely to be transported the 

same as regular fat, as well as how they strain the pH set point of the 

blood.  If acetic acids are treated like amino acids, then they would 

have a better shot at being activated. All interesting stuff that I never 

found out about.

	And I wonder why I would crave something like that with no 

usefulness.  Of course, I used to also drink pints of heavy cream (not 

half and half--HEAVY).  Go figure.

-- 

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           Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY   

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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: pbeyer <pbeyer@kumc.edu>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:01:12 -0600

--------

physical@erols.com wrote:

> 

> Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> >

> > jhowell wrote in message <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> > >any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> > >like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> > >

> >

> > I continue to find it hard to believe that consumption of quantities of

> > acetic acid can be good for you.  That stuff has to be detoxified somewhere

> > in the body, or excreted.  It just seems like another load of waste to be

> > gotten rid of.  hard on the kidneys, hard on the liver, and not much good

> > for anything else, at least not in the quantities I've seen recommended.

> > Maybe as a salad dressing, OK ( but I still prefer lime juice).

> >

> > -RJO

> 

>         "Drink" is not the context in which I would put vinegar!

>         But, I must report incredible cravings for it! I used to drink it

> (wine vinegar) by the tablespoon!  Not that bad now, but still crave it.

>         About the metabolism:

>         Acetic acid is technically just a very short fatty acid.  IF

> ACETIC ACID IS NOT TOO SHORT, the thiokinases which ACTIVATE fatty acids

> for beta oxidation would also activate acetic acid to acetyl-CoA, which

> is THE entry product into the "aerobic" (oxidative) pathway.  Activated

> acetic acid would be likely to BYPASS the transport mechanisms usually

> required of long activated fatty acids.

>         Then again, being water soluble, it's hard to say where these

> molecules really wind up, as they are not likely to be transported the

> same as regular fat, as well as how they strain the pH set point of the

> blood.  If acetic acids are treated like amino acids, then they would

> have a better shot at being activated. All interesting stuff that I never

> found out about.

>         And I wonder why I would crave something like that with no

> usefulness.  Of course, I used to also drink pints of heavy cream (not

> half and half--HEAVY).  Go figure.

> --

>   Delivering God's Message on Post-Purchase Neglect Syndrome (PPNS),

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> Kristofer Hogg, ms rd  physical@erols.com  http://www.erols.com/physical

>            Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY

> Facts--cheap   Synthesis--glorious   Nice bodies--nice, but irrelevant

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------



Just a reminder-- The short chain fatty acids, acetic acid (along with

proprionic, butyic acid) are produced in the colon by microbial

fermentation of malabsorbed carbohydrates, dietary fibers and some amino

acids.  The SCFA serve as fuels for the colonocytes and small amounts

enter circulation and become part of the metabolic pool. 

No need to consume acetic acid, it's generated daily.



Pete  MS, RD





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Rich <bearlycomputing@ibm.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:04:50 +0500

--------

pbeyer wrote:

> 

> physical@erols.com wrote:

> >

> > Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> > >

> > > jhowell wrote in message <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> > > >any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> > > >like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> > > >

> > >

> > > I continue to find it hard to believe that consumption of quantities of

> > > acetic acid can be good for you.  That stuff has to be detoxified somewhere

> > > in the body, or excreted.  It just seems like another load of waste to be

> > > gotten rid of.  hard on the kidneys, hard on the liver, and not much good

> > > for anything else, at least not in the quantities I've seen recommended.

> > > Maybe as a salad dressing, OK ( but I still prefer lime juice).

> > >

> > > -RJO

> >

> >         "Drink" is not the context in which I would put vinegar!

> >         But, I must report incredible cravings for it! I used to drink it

> > (wine vinegar) by the tablespoon!  Not that bad now, but still crave it.

> >         About the metabolism:

> >         Acetic acid is technically just a very short fatty acid.  IF

> > ACETIC ACID IS NOT TOO SHORT, the thiokinases which ACTIVATE fatty acids

-----Just a bit of a snip---



> > --

> >   Delivering God's Message on Post-Purchase Neglect Syndrome (PPNS),

> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> > Kristofer Hogg, ms rd  physical@erols.com  http://www.erols.com/physical

> >            Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY

> > Facts--cheap   Synthesis--glorious   Nice bodies--nice, but irrelevant

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> 

> Just a reminder-- The short chain fatty acids, acetic acid (along with

> proprionic, butyic acid) are produced in the colon by microbial

> fermentation of malabsorbed carbohydrates, dietary fibers and some amino

> acids.  The SCFA serve as fuels for the colonocytes and small amounts

> enter circulation and become part of the metabolic pool.

> No need to consume acetic acid, it's generated daily.

> 

> Pete  MS, RD







"No need to consume..."??? I could question that! I rarely post here but

thought this time I could add a bit of info. A few years back (here goes a

story...) I was diagnosed with gall stones. Didn't fit their diagnosis with

my problems, but ya can't argue with the pictures... I went the "Actigall"

pills instead of surgery. Pills worked fine, stones disappeared, I didn't get

better. Had every test up through a CAT scan and other nasty stuff... They

wanted to open me up & explore... I went exploring on my own, to the local

health food store for books & advice. A lot of things I tried helped a little

but nothing cured me. Then about a year and a half ago I discovered cider

vinegar (also available in pill form which is very convenient). I can't say

it 'cured' me, but as long as I take it every day I have no problems

whatsoever and can eat anything I like. Noone ever did find out what my

'problem' was, and hopefully as long as I don't run out of CV tablets they

never will. I don't know what it cures, helps or hurts (yeah, I've read all

the books about it so far), but it 'fixed' me and that's all I care about.

And maybe passing the info on to other people who may have similar problems

(doctors who think they know everything!). So, I'll 'consume' and live

happily ever after thank you!



Rich (who doesn't have gall stones doc!)

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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: "Beth Nordbeck" <nordbeck@worldpath.net>

Date: 21 Nov 1997 11:19:31 GMT

--------

Back in the 60's a Vermont Doctor by the name of Jarvis, put out several

books on vinegar (and honey) which more or less stated the same things that

are going on today, 



Listening to all the discussion over this, I'm reminded of : "There are

more things in Heaven and Earth Horatio, then are dreamt of on your

philosophy.







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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: cfbd@southern.co.nz (Colin Douthwaite)

Date: 22 Nov 1997 10:37:32 GMT

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Beth Nordbeck (nordbeck@worldpath.net) wrote:



>Back in the 60's a Vermont Doctor by the name of Jarvis, put out several

>books on vinegar (and honey) which more or less stated the same things that

>are going on today, 





True...but Jarvis's work has never received wide acceptance. 





Jarvis studied folk medicine in Vermont and wrote two books on his 

findings:



ARTHRITIS AND FOLK MEDICINE

D.C. Jarvis, M.D.

Reprint edition, Fawcett Publications, Greenwich, Conn 1960



FOLK MEDICINE

D.C. Jarvis, M.D.

Pan Books Ltd, Cavaye Place, London SW10 9PG, 1975

ISBN 0 330 01470 6



Bye,







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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: physical@erols.com

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:23:41 -0500

--------

Rich wrote:

> 

> pbeyer wrote:

> >

> > physical@erols.com wrote:

> > >

> > > Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> > > >

> > > > jhowell wrote in message <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> > > > >any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> > > > >like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > I continue to find it hard to believe that consumption of quantities of

> > > > acetic acid can be good for you.  That stuff has to be detoxified somewhere

> > > > in the body, or excreted.  It just seems like another load of waste to be

> > > > gotten rid of.  hard on the kidneys, hard on the liver, and not much good

> > > > for anything else, at least not in the quantities I've seen recommended.

> > > > Maybe as a salad dressing, OK ( but I still prefer lime juice).

> > > >

> > > > -RJO

> > >

> > >         "Drink" is not the context in which I would put vinegar!

> > >         But, I must report incredible cravings for it! I used to drink it

> > > (wine vinegar) by the tablespoon!  Not that bad now, but still crave it.

> > >         About the metabolism:

> > >         Acetic acid is technically just a very short fatty acid.  IF

> > > ACETIC ACID IS NOT TOO SHORT, the thiokinases which ACTIVATE fatty acids

> -----Just a bit of a snip---

> 

> > > --

> > >   Delivering God's Message on Post-Purchase Neglect Syndrome (PPNS),

> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> > > Kristofer Hogg, ms rd  physical@erols.com  http://www.erols.com/physical

> > >            Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY

> > > Facts--cheap   Synthesis--glorious   Nice bodies--nice, but irrelevant

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> >

> > Just a reminder-- The short chain fatty acids, acetic acid (along with

> > proprionic, butyic acid) are produced in the colon by microbial

> > fermentation of malabsorbed carbohydrates, dietary fibers and some amino

> > acids.  The SCFA serve as fuels for the colonocytes and small amounts

> > enter circulation and become part of the metabolic pool.

> > No need to consume acetic acid, it's generated daily.

> >

> > Pete  MS, RD

> 

> "No need to consume..."??? I could question that! I rarely post here but

> thought this time I could add a bit of info. A few years back (here goes a

> story...) I was diagnosed with gall stones. Didn't fit their diagnosis with

> my problems, but ya can't argue with the pictures... I went the "Actigall"

> pills instead of surgery. Pills worked fine, stones disappeared, I didn't get

> better. Had every test up through a CAT scan and other nasty stuff... They

> wanted to open me up & explore... I went exploring on my own, to the local

> health food store for books & advice. A lot of things I tried helped a little

> but nothing cured me. Then about a year and a half ago I discovered cider

> vinegar (also available in pill form which is very convenient). I can't say

> it 'cured' me, but as long as I take it every day I have no problems

> whatsoever and can eat anything I like. Noone ever did find out what my

> 'problem' was, and hopefully as long as I don't run out of CV tablets they

> never will. I don't know what it cures, helps or hurts (yeah, I've read all

> the books about it so far), but it 'fixed' me and that's all I care about.

> And maybe passing the info on to other people who may have similar problems

> (doctors who think they know everything!). So, I'll 'consume' and live

> happily ever after thank you!

> 

> Rich (who doesn't have gall stones doc!)

> --

>     ********************************************************************

>    **  Practice Random Acts of Kindness and Senseless...Umm...Uhh....  **

>   **    Oh - Heck...I never could remember all that "nice" stuff.       **

>  **                  -{bearlycomputing@ibm.net}-                         **

> ****************************************************************************



	A very interesting post.  You may not be amenable to this idea, but you

could stop the CV for a while a look for beginning symptoms again, and

quickly restore the CV. Or try some other vinegar, to see if in fact

acetic acid is what you need. Although I understand not wanting to fool

around with what ain't broke.  But it would be an interesting

experiment.

	I consider food cravings as valid hints from the body. Of what is not

always clear.  Nutritionists have pooh-poohed them, but I have been

reading whips and snatches of more acceptance.  It is also popular to

view cravings as allergy-induced addictions, if that isn't oxymoronic.

But generally, they would appear to be the search for the missing

nutrient, which might be one of the byproducts of very low fat diets. My

vinegar cravings are bizarre, but apropo of your story, likely

purposeful.

-- 

  Diligently exploring the psychotropic effects of ALL brands of ice

cream, 

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Kristofer Hogg, ms rd  physical@erols.com  http://www.erols.com/physical

           Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY   

Facts--cheap   Synthesis--glorious   Nice bodies--nice, but irrelevant

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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Rich <bearlycomputing@ibm.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:40:53 +0500

--------

> 

>         A very interesting post.  You may not be amenable to this idea, but you

> could stop the CV for a while a look for beginning symptoms again, and

> quickly restore the CV. Or try some other vinegar, to see if in fact

> acetic acid is what you need. Although I understand not wanting to fool

> around with what ain't broke.  But it would be an interesting

> experiment.

>         I consider food cravings as valid hints from the body. Of what is not

> always clear.  Nutritionists have pooh-poohed them, but I have been

> reading whips and snatches of more acceptance.  It is also popular to

> view cravings as allergy-induced addictions, if that isn't oxymoronic.

> But generally, they would appear to be the search for the missing

> nutrient, which might be one of the byproducts of very low fat diets. My

> vinegar cravings are bizarre, but apropo of your story, likely

> purposeful.

> --

>   Diligently exploring the psychotropic effects of ALL brands of ice

> cream,

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

> Kristofer Hogg, ms rd  physical@erols.com  http://www.erols.com/physical

>            Physical Concepts & HoloBarre Fitness Systems, NY

> Facts--cheap   Synthesis--glorious   Nice bodies--nice, but irrelevant

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------





No need to "stop for a while". I can tell within the hour of eating something

on the 'bad' list (like margarine or canola oil). Although I've never tried

other vinegars, eating salads with oil&vinegar and peppers or salsa (both

made with vinegar) did help a bit, but not as much as cider vinegar. And that

clear distilled stuff the call vinegar was never made for human consumption

anyway! Wine vinegar may be another story though? But it doesn't come in

pills! ;-) Over all, CV seems to work the best even though all vinegars work

to some degree (the distilled stuff far at the bottom of the list!).



Craving vinegar is something else though? I believe in cravings as messages

from the body and try to follow mine. Too bad I never craved CV. I would have

saved a fortune in medical bills ;-)



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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:22:24 -0500

--------

>Craving vinegar is something else though? I believe in cravings as messages

>from the body and try to follow mine. Too bad I never craved CV. I would

have

>saved a fortune in medical bills ;-)





You have obviously never spent time around heroin addicts....or chocolate

addicts, for that matter.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:43:07 GMT

--------

Ever since I heard the first stuff (long ago) about apple cider

vinegar I've wondered what's the big difference between it and plain

apple cider?  Why wouldn't apple cider do the same things?





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Rich <bearlycomputing@ibm.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:02:15 +0500

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cyli wrote:

> 

> Ever since I heard the first stuff (long ago) about apple cider

> vinegar I've wondered what's the big difference between it and plain

> apple cider?  Why wouldn't apple cider do the same things?

> 

> -------

> 

> "If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"

> 

>  I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.

> 

>  http://www.visi.com/~cyli/



Cider vinegar is a product of cider (the pressed juice of apples). It's

turned into vinegar by yeast action. They eat the sugars and produce the

acetic acid that makes it vinegar. Depending on what it does, either may do

the same thing? But there is a big difference between the two. I do like to

drink cider, but it doesn't help my 'problem'. Cider vinegar does. And that

industrial cleaner version of distilled vinegar does nothing for me...



Rich...

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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: jacollins@thegrid.net (James Collins)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:21:48 GMT

--------

cyli@visi.com (cyli) wrote:



>Ever since I heard the first stuff (long ago) about apple cider

>vinegar I've wondered what's the big difference between it and plain

>apple cider?  Why wouldn't apple cider do the same things?

>



I don't remember exactly what it does, but apple cider vinegar is essentially

apple cider that has been worked on by bacteria to make it acidic, etc.



James





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Subject: is cider vinegar really health?

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 97 13:04:47 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 j> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 02:21:48 GMT

 j> Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

 j> From: jacollins@thegrid.net (James Collins)



 j> cyli@visi.com (cyli) wrote:



>>Ever since I heard the first stuff (long ago) about apple cider

vinegar I've wondered

>> what's the big difference between it and plain apple cider? 

Why wouldn't apple

>>cider do the same things?



 j> I don't remember exactly what it does, but apple cider

vinegar is essentially apple cider

 j> that has been worked on by bacteria to make it acidic, etc.



There's a chemical change that takes place... lots of enzymes and

(well, I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable in the area of

bio-chemistry is forming a reply, even as I post this   :)  and

comparing apple cider to cider vinegar is like comparing grape



juice to wine (or wine vinegar, which is nothing more than wine

gone "whangie", as Mama used to say...   :)



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Katie Jacobs <kjacobs@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:44:05 -0800

--------

jhowell wrote:

> 

> any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance



JHowell:



Comments on cider? I use it for a douche. I read somewhere it

re-established the correct flora. 

Katie





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: mikedahl@nmia.com (Mike)

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:59:36 GMT

--------

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:44:05 -0800, Katie Jacobs <kjacobs@aol.com>

wrote:



>jhowell wrote:

>> 

>> any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

>> like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

>

>JHowell:

It's very good for stomach ache and sunburn. 



For a stomach ache, add a couple of tablespoons to a glass of water

(add suger if you must) and sip slowely. 



For sunburn aplly liberally before the symptoms appear - you can

bypass some pretty serious sunburn this way.



Mike





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Antidisestablishmentarianism <wilmoth7@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:15:01 -0600

--------

Mike wrote:

> 

> On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:44:05 -0800, Katie Jacobs <kjacobs@aol.com>

> wrote:

> 

> >jhowell wrote:

> >>

> >> any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks

> >> like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> >

> >JHowell:

> It's very good for stomach ache and sunburn.

> 

> For a stomach ache, add a couple of tablespoons to a glass of water

> (add suger if you must) and sip slowely.

> 

> For sunburn aplly liberally before the symptoms appear - you can

> bypass some pretty serious sunburn this way.

> 

> Mike



On the Sunburn aspect...I heard about cider vinegar once after the fact,

fell asleep in sun for about 3-4 hours on each side,ended up well done

with near 2nd degree burns...young enough to be foolish enough to think

I could treat it myself at the time so asked around at work and someone

suggested taking a tepid bath in the stuff...got off third shift and 

went directly to IGA store and bough 5 gallons of the stuff...poured two

gallons into a tub of tepid bath water and got in...stayed in for a long

time...2 or 3 hours...got out and the fire from the sunburn was out...

I smelled like vinegar but without the fire I didn't care...slept about

10 hours, got up run another tepid bath two more gallons of cider 

vinegar in it and got in stayed till time to go to work that night and

got out...went to work...was still beet red but the fire and most impor-

tantly the PAIN was gone....worked all night ok second night and took a

one gallon bath next morning before bed...just to be on the safe side...

went to sleep...I did also during this time rehydrate by driking copious

amounts of fluids, mostly water...my skin stayed red for nearly a year

and then started to fade...still had burn scoring on skin for nearly 5

years after that.  Don't know why the vinegar worked but it did.  

Perhaps one of our homeopathic physicians out there could explain why,

perhaps not, but it worked for me and I have since treated my children

for severe sunburn the same way and it works on them also.

Anti-D





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: "Mike Freeland" <michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:26:46 GMT

--------

I drink a tall glass of water with a tablespoon of raw apple cider vinegar

first thing in the morning.  I don't drink it straight unless I have a sore

throat, in which case I (carefully) sip a teaspoon or two and let it coat

my throat.  Purely anecdotal evidence, but it seems my colds have not been

a severe and of shorter duration since starting this regimen.

-- 

Mike Freeland

Michael.e.freeland@ROUNDFILE.boeing.com

Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

Sorry for the inconvenience.



jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net> wrote in article

<64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it looks 

> like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

From: Knut Lekvam <klxxx@rf.no>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:40:05 +0100

--------

> jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net> wrote in article

> <64f9pp$j8p$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

> > any comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and it

> looks

> > like a very healthy drink.  thanks much in advance



Its not tea - thats for sure.



This was crossposted to rec.food.drink.tea; not excactly the place for

such discussions.



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Subject: is cider vinegar really health?

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 22:36:23 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 k> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:44:05 -0800

 k> Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really health?

 k> From: Katie Jacobs <kjacobs@aol.com>



 k> jhowell wrote:

>>

>> ... comments on cider vinegar??  been reading on it lately and ...



 k> Comments on cider? I use it for a douche. I read somewhere it

re-established the correct flora.



It's miles better than anything else (except, maybe, some w/rosemary...

  :)  And, it only takes a little.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Re: ILLEGALITY OF MOST HERBS,  IN USA MAY BE REALITY SOON!!

From: "Vernon H. Brown" <vhbrown@capecod.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:32:23 -0800

--------

> In article <345C89B5.212A@erols.com>, Ms Linda  <mslnda@erols.com> wrote:

> 

> >Hi,

> >  For the full article, http://healthysource.com/codex.html, and this is

> >a real problem for people in the nutritional industry as well as every

> >citizen in the United States and every other free nation.

> 

> Thanks for posting this URL; rather intresting, albeit alarming.  Did

> I understand correctly that those of us who grow herbs in our gardens

> will soon be classified as criminals?  Will we need to grow our mint,

> parsley, chamomile, etc. indoors, out of the way of the law's prying

> eyes?  What about herbs that grow wild in our lawns and parts of our

> gardens?  Will there be a U.N. sanctioned "birds and bees" police

> force, armed with nets and pesticide to control these unwary little

> instinct-controlled "criminals" as well?

> 



Its already illegal to grow some herbs in your garden!  Cannabis sativa

makes a nice plant for the back of the border as it has bold foliage and

good height.  The leaves may be used as a tea or smoked for a mild

sedative affect.  Many of our grandmothers grew this herb for its

ornamental affect in the garden and of course Thomas Jefferson and

George Washington grew it in their gardens as a staple for the

production of fiber.  The future is here and you can only grow in your

garden what is authorized by the US government.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cant live without Guarana!

From: jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 16:34:03 GMT

--------

I gave up my coffee habit after years and years.  I wasnt fun to be 

around, even after a few months of no coffee.  Then I found Guarana!  It 

is a slow starting but very long lasting stimulant.  I have no side 

effects, no headaches etc.  I take one tablespoon powdered Guarana every 

day and I have tons of energy!!  please post any simular experiences.  

thanks much







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cant live without Guarana!

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:14:49 GMT

--------

On 13 Nov 1997 16:34:03 GMT, jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell) wrote:



>I gave up my coffee habit after years and years.  I wasnt fun to be 

>around, even after a few months of no coffee.  Then I found Guarana!  It 

>is a slow starting but very long lasting stimulant.  I have no side 

>effects, no headaches etc.  I take one tablespoon powdered Guarana every 

>day and I have tons of energy!!  please post any simular experiences.  

>thanks much



Interesting thing here is that you take one big dose of caffeine in

your Guarana. I have found that if one very strong large cup of coffee

is taken first thing in the morning then it has no side effects. I've

stopped drinking coffee at other times of day. Used in this way coffee

works just as well as Guarana and it's a lot less expensive.



--

Steve

-----------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk

  Author of NeuroDiet - neural network diet planner





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Subject: Re: cant live without Guarana!

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 13 Nov 1997 18:12:20 -0700

--------

In article <64fa5r$j8p$4@excalibur.flash.net>,

jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net> wrote:

>I gave up my coffee habit after years and years.  I wasnt fun to be 

>around, even after a few months of no coffee.  Then I found Guarana!  It 

>is a slow starting but very long lasting stimulant.  I have no side 

>effects, no headaches etc.  I take one tablespoon powdered Guarana every 

>day and I have tons of energy!!  please post any simular experiences.  

>thanks much

>





I have a friend who uses it like this and loves it.





Also, coincidentally, a local company here is making a new product called

eroti-guarana, which contains kava kava and guarana, and is theoretically

some kind of fabulous aphrodisiac.  At least one anecdote told to me has

indicated it as such.  I'm skeptical, but you never know.





Kristen





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To: jhowell <jhowell1@flash.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: cant live without Guarana!

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:28:11 -0500

--------

Try stopping it for a week and let a loved one record what happens to your

disposition: let alone your physiology.  Then get back to me with the

results...will you do that, please?

Dr. AVB



jhowell wrote:



> I gave up my coffee habit after years and years.  I wasnt fun to be

> around, even after a few months of no coffee.  Then I found Guarana!  It

> is a slow starting but very long lasting stimulant.  I have no side

> effects, no headaches etc.  I take one tablespoon powdered Guarana every

> day and I have tons of energy!!  please post any simular experiences.

> thanks much







--

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A. Van Beveren, Ph.D., CNC 609-924-7337   |Au-d.l.r.u?

Nutritional Biochemist and Physiologist   |

drv@idt.net ------- http://idt.net/~drv   |

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Subject: Re: cant live without Guarana!

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:44:29 -0500

--------

jhowell wrote in message <64fa5r$j8p$4@excalibur.flash.net>...

>I gave up my coffee habit after years and years.  I wasnt fun to be

>around, even after a few months of no coffee.  Then I found Guarana!  It

>is a slow starting but very long lasting stimulant.  I have no side

>effects, no headaches etc.  I take one tablespoon powdered Guarana every

>day and I have tons of energy!!  please post any simular experiences.

>thanks much

>



What's the point of giving up coffee if you're just gonna substitute another

high-caffein herb?



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: HERE'S TO YOUR HEALTH

From: "Mike" <tuxman@theoffice.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:03:38 -0800

--------



-- 

Just as a general announcement - I believe in promoting good health and

treatment methods involving natural nutritional supplements. To get a copy

of a free report about how vitamins, minerals and herbals can help us

prevent and treat diseases and ailments, just send me an email and request

the a copy of a free report on nutrition and health.  My email is:

wide_eyed@iname.com  This is not a commercial announcement and only

information is given in the report.



Forum and Group Manager: If you feel this announcement is inapprioprate for

your group, please notify me directly and I will ensure compliance.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.drugs,alt.drugs.culture,alt.psychoactives,rec.drugs.misc

Subject: Withania somnifera roots available!

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:10:48 GMT

--------

Dear Ethnbotanic-researcher,

TAC Ethnobotanicals just received a shipment of whole Whitania

somnifera roots. Thanks to our new supplier we were able to

significantly lower price (while improving the quality). Below

the new prices and the excerpt from our online-catalogue:



Withania somnifera - Ashvaganda / Kuthmithi

1oz (28g) Root = 5$ ::: 2oz (56g) = 9$ :::: 4oz (112g) = 15$

Origin: India (cultivation)



Withania somnifera is one of the big crop species of Ayurvedic

medicine in India, where the root is highly regarded, very much like

Ginseng in China. Kuthmithi is generally employed as tranquilizing

narcotic and as general tonic, considered safe enough for use with

children. Also Reported to be an aphrodisiac and said to give the

vitality and sexual energy of a horse. Chinese medicine recommends the

root in cases of: nervousism, insomnia, anemia, weakness, rheumatic

pains, general debility, impotence and  infertility among other

conditions.



You can find our whole catalogue and place and order from:

http://www.worldnet.fr/~dagon/tac/ethno.htm



Sincerely Yours,

Mike Braben



PS: Please note that the Web-Page may not have been updated yet, of

course the price-change takes place immediately.







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Subject: Looking for herb info...

From: "Steven E. Wolfe" <SEWolfe@glasscity.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:46:03 -0500

--------

I'd like to find out if there are any herbs out there that

would alleviate (and/or heal) inflamation to the liver

& gallbladder caused by prescription medication.



Warm regards,

STEVE

--



SEWolfe@glasscity.net









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Subject: ILLEGALITY OF MOST HERBS,  IN USA MAY BE REALITY SO

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 21:29:32 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 v> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:32:23 -0800

 v> Subject: Re: ILLEGALITY OF MOST HERBS,  IN USA MAY BE REALITY

SOON!!

 v> From: "Vernon H. Brown" <vhbrown@capecod.net>



>> In article <345C89B5.212A@erols.com>, Ms Linda  <mslnda@erols.com>

wrote:

>>

>> >  For the full article, http://healthysource.com/codex.html, and

this is a real problem for people in the

>> > nutritional industry as well as every citizen in the United States

and every other free nation.

>>

>> Thanks for posting this URL; rather intresting, albeit

>> alarming.



Frankly, I've about decided that this is the purpose!  (to raise

"alarm").



>> Did I understand correctly that those of us who grow herbs in our

gardens will soon be classified as

>> criminals?  Will we need to grow our mint, parsley, chamomile, etc.

indoors, out of the way of the law's

>> prying eyes?



You know, this reminds me of (many) gardeners, when they begin to have

children... they become aware of all the possibly *toxic* plants (and

plant parts) and decide that they must *rid* the planet of *all*

potentially "hazardous" growing things!  It is so entertaining to watch

the transition, as they begin to understand that were they successful, 

  they would defoliate the planet!



I realize that this response will sound like I'm taking lightly, the

possibility of this (CODEX) being adopted,  but I'm not.  If we could,

for just afew minutes, think clearly, about what the alarmists of this

are saying...  The woods in any 100 acres of Alabama contain enough

flora classified as herbal, that  it would  take the Alabama National

Guard (or even the famous, Mississippi National Guard  :)   a month of

Sundays to clear it out!... And, that's just clearing it, not *keeping*

it cleared!  I mean, the idea is preposterous (though I *can*

understand how someone who keeps to the sheltered life of Washington

D.C., and never visits the "homeland" at large, might get the *idea*

that this is somehow possible!  But, I say, again, we can't even take

care of the things *already* illegal.  Does ... (well, I keep telling

myself that I've said all I intend, on this subject...  :)



>> What about herbs that grow wild in our lawns and parts of our

gardens?  Will there be a U.N.

>> sanctioned "birds and bees" police force, armed with nets and

pesticide to control these unwary

>> little instinct-controlled "criminals" as well?

>>

Excellent  point!  (Thanks for, so beautifully,  making the point!)



 v> Its already illegal to grow some herbs in your garden! Cannabis

sativa makes a nice plant for the back

 v> of the border... leaves may be used as a tea or smoked for a mild

sedative affect.  Many of our

 v> grandmothers grew this herb for its ornamental affect in the garden

and of course Thomas Jefferson

 v> and George Washington grew it in their gardens as a staple for the

production of fiber. The future is

 v> here and you can only grow in your garden what is authorized by the

US government.



Yes, (I know, here I go, again!  :)  While you make a very good case

for landscaping, you make little else.  And you are possibly *right*,

my Grandmother probably *did* grow it!  She may have even *smoked* it! 

I don't know!  But she certainly didn't get *stupid* with it... or

smoke it until she drooled on herself, or jumped out a window (thinking

she could *fly*!)  And, Thomas and George probably knew of it's 'other'

uses, as well, but I hardly think that they went to the signing of the

Constitution with  "mj" in the pockets of their britches!  Today, the

picture would be that they all share "drags" following the 'signing' to

"relax", abit.   Nope, I don't buy it!  Their concept of the use of

herbs was all together different.  I suggest to you, that it casts a

whole new light on things, when one considers the fact that these

people had to keep their senses about them, because they didn't have a

911 that they could call... neither did they have the security of

knowing that, were they to need help, it was just a phone call away! 

No, they (even *my* Grandmother!)  had to stay alert, should danger

threaten.  The US Government (being *us*!) has more than it can police,

already!  It's "services" (FDA, CDC, NIH, etc.) *all* are stretched

beyond it's ability to 'serve'!  And, as for the UN, well some may 

*think* it can handle something of this magnitude, but they would be

sorely lacking!  In fact, I shudder to think of what would happen to

the UN, were it not for the US... (It wouldn't even *be*!, were it not f

or the US and it's dollars, ... but that is for another time, another

place!)



When  are we going to stop being children and start being adults where

this subject of Cannabis is concerned. It is controlled because too

many people thought of it as a "good time"!  Too many people  *still*

think that they can do *anything* they wish with it.   It is *not* a

binigne little plant (tho useful, it is) and it is *not* an herb to be

used as casually as one might use celery, camomile, (the list is long)

and it is not totaly harmless, as some would have us believe. 

Excessive/compulsive has been the name of the game since the "feel good

generation" 'busted' out and was allowed to roam free!  It  is running

rampant, and it will consume even those of us who attempt to keep it in

check, if we are not careful.  I will write my representatives (and

your's too, if I need to!), I will try to vote wisely, I will speak out

(hopefully, with good sense), I will even take sterner measures, should

these prove in need of reinforcement.



I want us all to be informed.  But, to those who are shouting "fire",

how are you different than those on the other side, giving out

false/self-serving information?  Is Common Good Sense *really* dead?  I

don't suppose there has ever been a  society that didn't have herbal

history (usages for food/medicine) that predates even their *written*

history!  Herbals were in existence long before man had the ability to

leave a permanent record (of the same).  They will be here long after

man is but a memory (should we do away with ourselves!)  Man is quite

insignificant in the grand scheme of things!  But, we surely can leave

a mess in our path!



cheers,

WL Sakowski



BTW, I am off to the internet to download the whole thing! I never have

been one to depend on someone else to do my work for me!  I shall read

the thing, myself.  Then, I'll *know* the truth, (or at least be able

to ask my own questions!  :)







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Subject: Natural Aphrodisiacs?

From: "voyeur1" <kilmec@nwinfo.net>

Date: 14 Nov 1997 05:08:28 GMT

--------

Fairly new to this newsgroup, and wondering of any natural female sexual

stimulants, or experiences with such.  Thank You.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Website Updated

From: howieb@teleport.com (Howie Brounstein)

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 07:30:36 GMT

--------

A quick post to let you folks know I have updated my website. New and fixed 

links, plus new original material. Chock -full of information on botany, 

herbalism, wildcrafting, ecology, and other good stuff of interest.





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



-insert snappy herb joke here-





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs

From: "Body and Health" <body.and.health@tip.nl>

Date: 14 Nov 1997 20:53:11 GMT

--------

                             Start With    HERB -- A -- LIFE



Herbalife is allready a great success in many countries , so why not try it

too ?

Herbalife products combine high nutritional value with low-calorie content

, allowing you to get your weight right , thanks to good food !

 

Body & Health



http://www.bodyandhealth.club.tip.nl/



body.and.health@tip.nl





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:49:07 GMT

--------

On 14 Nov 1997 20:53:11 GMT, "Body and Health" <body.and.health@tip.nl>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>                             Start With    HERB -- A -- LIFE



Or don't. 



>Herbalife is allready a great success in many countries , so why not try it

>too ?



Because it's mainly crap? 



>Herbalife products combine high nutritional value with low-calorie content

>, allowing you to get your weight right , thanks to good food !



Isn't that an oxymoron? High nutritional value and low calories?



Folks, the -real- way to lose weight is by changing your lifestyle, not

by popping yet another pill, albeit 'herbal'.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: johnna@nospam.ubc.ca (Miranda's Magic)

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:49:36 GMT

--------

Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Miranda's Magic

***************

Anti-spam email address in use

For replies, please send to:

johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca







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Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:33:56 -0900

--------

Canker sores are quite common and indicate recurrent body chemistry imbalance, sometimes coupled with a hypothyroid condition and usually triggered by a food allergy. They are generally the result of a herpes simplex virus 1 infection, occurring after a fever, illness, body stress, and resulting reduced immunity. They can also be caused by nutrient deficiencies, or hormone imbalance.

Common causes: Herpes simplex 1; B complex, iron or folic acid deficiency; high arginine foods diet; reduced immunity; Sodium-lauryl-sulfate in toothpaste; premenstrual tension and consequent hormone imbalance; Crohn's disease; gluten sensitivity; over-acid diet; recurring virus infection; emotional stress.

My first suggestion is a fasting detoxification program.

Add more cultured foods to your diet for prevention: yogurt, kefir, sauerkraut.

Avoid high arginine foods--coffee, peanut butter, nuts, seeds, corn.

Avoid red meats, caffeine, sugars, sweet fruits, refined and fried foods.

Eat plenty of salads, lots of raw and cooked vegetables, whole grains. Baked potatoes and steamed broccoli.

Drink fresh carrot juice once a week.

Try aloe vera juice.

Take 1000 mg. Lysine daily.

Rinse with a goldenseal solution, or goldenseal/myrrh solution. Swish in mouth every half hour.

Topical applications: Calendula ointment; Black Walnut tincture; Tea Tree Oil; Comfrey/aloe salve; or Red Raspberry tincture.

Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Miranda's Magic wrote in message <64ih13$mer$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>...

>Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

>cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

>tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

>suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

>For replies, please send to:

>johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca

>







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Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:24:33 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, johnna@nospam.ubc.ca (Miranda's Magic) wrote:



>Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

>cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

>tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

>suggestions would be greatly appreciated!



How about a gluten-free diet? Here's a post written by Ron Hoggan that I

haven't posted in a while:



Written by: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>



Wray, D "Gluten-Sensitive Recurrent Aphthous Stomatitis" _Digestive

Diseases and Sciences_ 1981; 26(8): 737-740



"Twenty selected patients with recurrent aphthous stomatitis in whom celiac

disease had been specifically excluded were placed on a gluten-free diet.

Five patients (25%) showed a favorable response to gluten withdrawal and a

positive gluten challenge. Jejunal morphology was normal in all patients

indicating gluten  sensitivity without enteropathy. Gluten withdrawal

provides a further method of treating some patients with recurrent aphthous

stomatitis."



Given that this study confirms an earlier study (1) there seems to be good

support, should we ever need it, for the notion that gluten sensitivity may

demonstrate many of the same illnesses that are associated with cd, but

without villous atrophy. 



as cited in the above article (I haven't read this one):

1. Walker D, Rhodes J, Llewelyn J, Mead J, Dolby A, "Gluten

hypersensitivity in recurrent aphthous ulceration" _J Dent Res_ 1979;

58(special issue C): 1271



========================================



I have a bunch of other articles connecting gluten and canker sores I can

send. For more information on gluten intolerance in general, see this page

of annotated links:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don (at panix com).





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: rvirnig@greylond.foo.net

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 06:08:11 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:49:36 GMT, johnna@nospam.ubc.ca (Miranda's

Magic) wrote:



>Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

>cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

>tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

>suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

>Miranda's Magic

>***************

>Anti-spam email address in use

>For replies, please send to:

>johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca

>



Canker sores can occur if you are low in zinc or lysine. However, be

sure you are low in zinc beofre taking supplements, since too much

zinc is toxic.



-Rebecca

rvirnig@greylond.foo.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: cx832@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (C. Lawson)

Date: 15 Nov 1997 22:29:01 GMT

--------



Miranda's Magic (johnna@nospam.ubc.ca) writes:

> Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

> cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

> tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

> suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> Miranda's Magic

> ***************

> Anti-spam email address in use

> For replies, please send to:

> johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca

> 



 This summer my nine year old had the same problem, and we managed to give

him relief by rinsing the mouth with a tea made of goldenseal and white

oak bark, several times a day. After less than a week the sores were gone.



  He seems to get them morre often when he's been eating a lot of candy,

so we are careful with that. (Hallowe'en, ugh!)



 Also, our nurse practitioner suggested an antacid such as maalox as a rinse.

Not too much success there as he couldn't tolerate the stuff. Can't blame

him, it is pretty foul!



  Hope this is of some assistance,



   Christine

--









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: Karen Shelton <nature@edge.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 23:52:26 -0600

--------

C. Lawson wrote:

> 

> Miranda's Magic (johnna@nospam.ubc.ca) writes:

> > Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

> > cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

> > tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

> > suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> > Miranda's Magic

> > ***************

> > Anti-spam email address in use

> > For replies, please send to:

> > johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca

> >

> 

>  This summer my nine year old had the same problem, and we managed to give

> him relief by rinsing the mouth with a tea made of goldenseal and white

> oak bark, several times a day. After less than a week the sores were gone.

> 

>   He seems to get them morre often when he's been eating a lot of candy,

> so we are careful with that. (Hallowe'en, ugh!)

> 

>  Also, our nurse practitioner suggested an antacid such as maalox as a rinse.

> Not too much success there as he couldn't tolerate the stuff. Can't blame

> him, it is pretty foul!

> 

>   Hope this is of some assistance,

> 

>    Christine

> --

There is some evidence  (Herbs for Health, Steven Foster) that a salve

made from lemon balm is good for this. 

Karen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: edricoh@aol.com (Edricoh)

Date: 17 Nov 1997 00:09:29 GMT

--------

The canker sores may relate to zinc deficiency. I suggest using zinc lozenges

 (which contain about 20mg zinc). RDA for zinc is 15mg but one can take 100mg

 or more per day for some days at least  with no problem. Zinc is vital in the

 body. It is not toxic except in huge quantities. It is important, however, to

 take adequate copper with the zinc  (2-3mg/day) to maintain a proper balance

 of these two elements in the body. Please read about zinc deficiency. It can

 relate to a great many problems.



Gluten intolerance (celiac disease, which is considered to be genetically

 caused) also is a possibilty. If this is present it can lead to deficiency of

 zinc as well as many other nutrients. In a person whose body is unable to

 handle gluten there is damage to the small intestine's ability to absorb

 nutrients. This can be to a small or large degree depending upon the level of

 vulnerability to gluten and the amount consumed. Please read about gluten

 intolerance (celiac disease). People with celiac disease can go a lifetime

 with many problems that would not exist if they eliminated ALL gluten from the diet.



Ed





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: queztcuatl@aol.com (Queztcuatl)

Date: 17 Nov 1997 01:30:10 GMT

--------

I use a liccorice root save on my cancer sores it seems to help. and it tastes

 good to.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Desperately need canker sore cure

From: levin3@idt.net

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:31:28 -0500

--------

Miranda's Magic wrote:

> 

> Both my daughter (5) and I have a crop of very large and painful

> cankers.  I've used salt water washes, direct salt application, and

> tea tree oil.  Nothing has helped, in fact they've gotten bigger.  Any

> suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

> Miranda's Magic

> ***************

> Anti-spam email address in use

> For replies, please send to:

> johnna(at)unixg(dot)ubc(dot)ca



I got canker sores repeatedly after switching toothpastes-From Toms of

Maine to Nature's gate (cherry). After going back to Tom's the sores

have not returned.



Sara





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tea tree oil

From: madmax@buffnet.net (MaD MaX)

Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 17:34:24 GMT

--------

What does this stuff do.. i her a lot of talk about it..

also i saw in in a local store for 6.00$ for 1/2oz is that expensivwe for this 

stuff?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: "SilDra" <jennifer.swaim.3@nd.edu>

Date: 16 Nov 1997 20:07:33 GMT

--------

In my experience (to lazy to go look up all uses...) tea tree oil is most

often used as a topicl antibiotic for small cuts and bruises... and it does

work very	well in my experience.  It is also used in cases of acne to help

control the outbreaks.... apply topically to individual eruptions- again,

in my experience works well

BTW- a little goes a long way... and is very popular right now- both of

these factors contribute to the cost factor.

SilDra



-- 

                       Be nice to wizards

For you are crunchy and go well with ketchup



> What does this stuff do.. i her a lot of talk about it..

> also i saw in in a local store for 6.00$ for 1/2oz is that expensivwe for

this 

> stuff?

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: kudos@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:43:35 -0800

--------

Ive been using tea tree oil for several years now.  Its as common in our

household as asprin or bandaids.  We use it on everything from cuts,

fungus, scratches, and insect bites.  Its considered a nutrual

anteseptic.  It also makes a great solvent.  We also use a toothpaste

thats made with it.  I would recommend the type manufactured by a

company called Melaleuca or Desert Essence.  Melaleuca is a direct sales

company that manufacutrues a complete home and personal care line with

tea tree oil while Desert Essence is available at your health food

stores.  If I can help you any further feel free to email me.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tea tree oil

From: jillspc@aol.com (JILLS PC)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 16:23:10 GMT

--------

Geesh, $6.00 1/2oz is outrageous!.  I use Tree Oil in my soaps (hobbyist

soapmaker) I also put it in my liquid soap dispensers.  I happen to enjoy the

scent (so do my daughters).



 Tea Tree Oil & Lavender Essential Oils may be used undiluted (neat) unlike all

other Eo's which should be diluted.   



I get my Eo's (tea tree Oil & others) for *ALOT* less than that from Melody @

http://www.rainbowmeadow.com, here is a direct link:

<a href="http://www.rainbowmeadow.com/">Rainbow Meadow</a>



Hope this helps & good luck!

Jill







>Subject: tea tree oil

>From: madmax@buffnet.net (MaD MaX)

>Date: Sat, Nov 15, 1997 12:34 EST

>Message-id: <64km1e$cch$1@buffnet2.buffnet.net>

>

>What does this stuff do.. i her a lot of talk about it..

>also i saw in in a local store for 6.00$ for 1/2oz is that expensivwe for

>this 

>stuff?

>

>

>

>

>

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: kira uses?

From: krypton@zoomnet.net (T. & E. Warfield)

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 08:37:45

--------

I have seen the commercials for "Kira" and have not been able to any info on 

it's actual uses, side affects, etc. 



(web pages, or in print documentation would be great)



todd





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: kira uses?

From: baldone@fastlane.net

Date: 18 Nov 1997 02:51:38 GMT

--------





On 1997-11-16 krypton@zoomnet.net(T.&E.Warfield) said:

 kr>I have seen the commercials for "Kira" and have not been able to

 kr>any info on it's actual uses, side affects, etc.

 kr>(web pages, or in print documentation would be great)

 kr>todd

Kira is a standardized St. John's Wort.



Hope this helps.

Carl Linde.



Herbs - the better alternative to commercial pills.



Net-Tamer V 1.09  - Test Drive





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: magic/folk lore re these wild herbs?

From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

Date: 16 Nov 1997 08:50:59 GMT

--------



Greetings,



we would appreciate any bits of magic /folk lore about:



Wild Ginger   (also food prep. recipes)

Wild Yam

Goldenseal

Bethroot (Trillium)

Sassafras



Thanks!  Lee.

--

joy





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: pyruvate

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:48:27 GMT

--------

"Winnie" <KCHEWH@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>What is pyruvate and how does it help to lose weight.



Part A:  The body breaks carbohydrates down to pyruvic acid before

converting it into energy.



Part B:  It doesn't.



It is being marketed as an energy enhancer because of a proposed

theory that a few carbos sprinkled into the lipid burning metabolism

makes things run more efficiently (just as a bit of salt makes a soup

taste better).



It is of concern only to very high caliber athletes... and even then

it is probably a useless product. A sugar cube would work as well.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Cleansing the Intestinal System A Farce?

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:48:40 GMT

--------

"Debra M. Heit" <dheit@heitech.com> wrote:



>I'm also a mother of four and as such have experienced the worst hemorrhoids

>have to offer! Lately I've been having a flare up and decided maybe I needed some type

>of herb to help regulate my bowels.  The health food store sold me

>Nature's Secret Cleanse Products.  I'm on the second day of treatment

>and feel awful; almost like I have eaten something afoul.  My stomach is

>gurgley and I feel crampy.  The documentation claims this is the body's

>response to detoxification.



>Can anyone advise on whether this type of cleansing program really

>works, whether there are any dangers, whether this yucky feeling is

>normal, and whether 3 BOWEL MOVEMENTS A DAY IS A REALISTIC GOAL!!!!!

>Yes, that's what they claim; 2 to 3 a day.  Sure doesn't leave much room

>for time away from facilities.  I also saw in an unrelated paper by an

>MD that 5 a week is normal.



>Geez, it's all so confusing.  I just want to know if what I'm

>experiencing is normal and whether it does any good.



>My MD has prescribed Anusol with hydrocortisone.  He also told me to

>quit lifting weights at the gym.  They just don't get it, these guys.

>Weight lifting didn't cause the constipation that caused the

>hemorrhoids.  In one breath they tell us to exercise more and in the

>other they tell you to stop.  Sheesh!



>Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Debbie,



You should talk to an Alternative health practitioner for a bit of

advice. Products designed to flush the bowels do not seem to be all

that helpful for hemorrhoids. Perhaps if you were also on a juice fast

of some kind... even then the approach leaves a lot to be desired.



Hemorrhoids repond very well to herbal treatment. No drugs, no side

effects. As with almost all matters of ill-health, all the body really

needs is a supportive food.



Try this.  Boil up 56 gm of yarrow and 28 gm ginger in 4 litres of

water. Reduce to 2 litres.



On another burner bring 1 litre of molasses to a slow boil (if you

don't boil the molasses you'll end up with a rather interesting ginger

beer). Blackstrap molasses is more effective but few people have a

taste for this old-fashioned substance. Molasses from any store works

well, too.



Strain the herbs out. Mix the two fluids (now 3 litres total). Place

into 3 x 1-litre canning jars. Refridgerate when cooled.



Drink a 1/2 cupful cold, before meals.



Safe for use during pregnancy, too! (*very high-risk preggies should

talk to an Alternative practitioner).



And, Debbie, add saturated fat to your diet: eliminate the margarine

and hydrogenated oils.

___

jmt



---

Never go along with the system. Always question.

    Tainted-blood activist ...    Janet Conners







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Emu Oil

From: "The Turners" <turner@sedona.net>

Date: 16 Nov 1997 22:38:31 GMT

--------

I am looking for any information on Emu Oil.  I've heard it's used for

wounds, arthritis, and skin problems.



Crystal







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Emu Oil

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:54:21 GMT

--------

On 16 Nov 1997 22:38:31 GMT, "The Turners" <turner@sedona.net> wrote:



>I am looking for any information on Emu Oil.  I've heard it's used for

>wounds, arthritis, and skin problems.

>

>Crystal



My wife bought me a bottle to see if it helped my arthritis. It was

quite expensive but came with a money back guarantee. It had no effect

at all so I got my money back! I can't complain about any loss of

money but it did waste a lot of time and effort.





--

Steve

-----------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk

  Author of NeuroDiet - neural network diet planner





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Toenail Fungus

From: "EJ" <emackay@juno.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:11 -0800

--------

Does anyone know anything that will get rid of this stuff, besides

prescription drugs?  The topicals don't seem to work anyway.



--



Ellen











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus

From: "Gregory" <spjournal@icce.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:27:24 -0800

--------

Try applying Tea Tree Oil every morning & night. It works!

Peggy and Jodi (she still has all her toes!)



EJ wrote in message <346fc764.0@news.wgn.net>...

>Does anyone know anything that will get rid of this stuff, besides

>prescription drugs?  The topicals don't seem to work anyway.

>

>--

>

>Ellen

>

>

>









==========

To: Gregory <spjournal@icce.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus

From: Truman Berst <truman@healthherbs.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:23:13 -0800

--------

Gregory wrote:

> 

> Try applying Tea Tree Oil every morning & night. It works!

> Peggy and Jodi (she still has all her toes!)

> 

> EJ wrote in message <346fc764.0@news.wgn.net>...

> >Does anyone know anything that will get rid of this stuff, besides

> >prescription drugs?  The topicals don't seem to work anyway.

> >

> >--

> >

> >Ellen

> >

> >

> >



-- Ellen, You are great, tea-tree oil dose work! Soaking the toes/foot

in vinegar after a hot soothing bath also helps alleviate fungus.Blood

claensers enternally work in the body to combat from the inside out.

Such as Echinacea, yellow dock, myrrh etc.I am pleased to see natural

info. being passed on. Rebecca/Web MGR. healthinfo@healthherbs.com

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus

From: vandy@avana.net (Vandy Terre)

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:55:49 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:25:11 -0800, "EJ" <emackay@juno.com>

dwelling in the mists of Internet wrote:



>Does anyone know anything that will get rid of this stuff, besides

>prescription drugs?  The topicals don't seem to work anyway.



The topicals do work IF you use them every day.

Re-infection from infected foot wear, carpets, bedding, etc.

is a problem.  Have you tried taking Kelp tablets?  These

are high in iodine, fungus does not thrive on iodine.



posted/ emailed







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 12:28:41 GMT

--------

>Does anyone know anything that will get rid of this stuff, besides

>prescription drugs?  The topicals don't seem to work anyway.





Five months later and I'm still using Tea Tree oil on both big toe nails to get

rid of the fungus.  It's almost gone <VBG>.  Cutting away the affected nail

area is also a must.  I use the oil non diluted and 4-5 times a week.  Perhaps

this is why it is taking so long.



CRD





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Nutritions

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:03:38 -0900

--------

What type of alternative health schooling do you have? Any at all? Are you a professional alternative practitioner? Do you work with any?

A friend of mine is an acupuncturist in Venezuela, and he has told me that he has treated people who have used these products and had bad reactions. He warned me against using these products.





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



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> With  HERB -- A -- LIFE 

>For the successfull control of your weight and advice on good food .

>Want to know more  ? See my HOME_PAGE 

>Body & Health

>

>http://www.bodyandhealth.club.tip.nl/

>

>body.and.health@tip.nl







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Scleraderma

From: davecam@prgone.com (Dave Campano)

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:40:29 GMT

--------

Hello, I have a friend who suffers from Scleraderma, does anyone know

of any remedies or regimes this person should be undertaking? They

have ulcer-like lesions on their hands and arms, and they don't want

to go with conventional medicine for treatment...I appreciate your

knowledgeable response on this particular nasty disorder!

Dave Campano  Please reply to davecam@prgone.com 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: metabolism

From: "jane hubbard" <hubbardj@to-de.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:50:42 GMT

--------

I am looking for a herb that will kick-start my sluggish metabolism.  I

have started to exercise as well and am in generally good health.  Any

ideas? 

TIA

jane





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:46:38 -0500

--------

jane hubbard wrote in message

<01bcf391$314452e0$0401bfce@radulovs.magma.ca>...

>I am looking for a herb that will kick-start my sluggish metabolism.  I

>have started to exercise as well and am in generally good health.  Any

>ideas?

>TIA

>jane



I have heard Ginger has a stimulating effect on the metabolism, and may help

burn accumulated fat.  Hot pepper also has that reputation, and I would

guess many of the "warm" aromatic herbs would act similarly.



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: "SilDra" <jennifer.swaim.3@nd.edu>

Date: 17 Nov 1997 22:18:18 GMT

--------

Chromium picolinate is a good start

(I know it'snot an herb, but it has helped me...)

Typically you will only see mcuh of an effect if you are eating well and

exercising- so if you are doing these things, then you should see that it

is helping within about 4-6 weeks.  



> I am looking for a herb that will kick-start my sluggish metabolism.  I

> have started to exercise as well and am in generally good health.  Any

> ideas? 







==========

To: jane hubbard <hubbardj@to-de.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: ARS <hfksales@javanet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:58:55 -0500

--------

Ginger, Rosemary, Cayenne, Peppermint



jane hubbard wrote:



> I am looking for a herb that will kick-start my sluggish metabolism.  I

> have started to exercise as well and am in generally good health.  Any

> ideas?

> TIA

> jane











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: "Dianne Ferguson" <dianne@NOSPAMcuscon.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:11:42 -0500

--------

Quantities and daily suggested intake, please!!!!!!!!!!!



ARS wrote in message <34720F9F.C391249B@javanet.com>...

:Ginger, Rosemary, Cayenne, Peppermint

:

:jane hubbard wrote:

:

:> I am looking for a herb that will kick-start my sluggish metabolism.  I

:> have started to exercise as well and am in generally good health.  Any

:> ideas?

:> TIA

:> jane

:

:

:









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: P h i l <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:43:28 -0700

--------

coffee beans. the caffeine will jump start you. Try the chocolate

covered coffee beans from starbucks. And yes folks, before you scream,

coffee beans are an herb.... coffee is just another herbal tea. It's how

it's processed that is the problem.



-- 

P h i l

--antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: metabolism

From: "Dr. Van Beveren" <drv@idt.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:46:31 -0500

--------

I agree.  But then it should be USED as an herb - in poultices and

compresses - not as a daily beverage.   Blessed be.

Dr. AVB



P h i l wrote:



> coffee beans. the caffeine will jump start you. Try the chocolate

> covered coffee beans from starbucks. And yes folks, before you scream,

> coffee beans are an herb.... coffee is just another herbal tea. It's how

> it's processed that is the problem.

>

> --

> P h i l

> --antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Biostems

From: Karl Kwok <tclaw@u.washington.edu>

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:06:10 -0800

--------

Hello,

Does anybody know what is in "Biostems"?, Is it useful for increasing

immune function. Thank you Ahead of time.



E-mail tclaw@u.washington.edu

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

************************************************************************







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Legislation--U.S. & recipe

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 18 Nov 1997 01:21:24 GMT

--------

Just an update to let you know, if you didn't already (like me) that S.830's

 language was amended to "specifically exclude dietary supplements", which

 means that for the time being restrictions on the freedom to choose herbs over

 synthetic drugs will not occur" (in the context of over-the-counter-drugs).



HOWEVER, this is only a one-clove-of-garlic measure of success.



THE GOOD NEWS IS,

"Congressman Ron Paul has [drafted] HR 2868, which has just

been introduced [I don't know where it is in the committee process]. Its the

 Consumer Health Free Speech Act, and it will

change the current definition of drug in the food, drug and Cosmetic Act to

remove the word "food" from the definition of "drug". This will enable us

to make therapeutic claims on dietary supplements.



SO,

Please spread the word to people to call Congress even though they are out

of session. Staff are still on the Hill. Start spreading the word: we need

cosponsors on HR 2868! Foods are NOT DRUGS!

Any Congressional office can be called toll free via 800-972-3524. "



Ok, so now a good recipe for those nasty colds and viruses--potato & garlic

 soup:

(Can you imagine garlic only being available through a doctor's subscription?)



4 potatoes, peeled and cubed or sliced into lengthwise strips

2 onions, sliced

6 cloves of garlic diced

2 Tlbs of butter or oil

hot water (or stock) to cover -- I like this as a thick soup

Seasonings:

1 Tea. rosemary

1 Tea. caraway seed 

1 Tea. peppercorns

1 Tea. salt

or more to your taste.



In a large pot, sautee the onions until soft, then the garlic for a minute

 only.  Add potatoes and keep stiring mix to coat with butter and mingle the

 herbs.  Add water or stock and simmer for approximately 20 minutes or until

 the potatoes are soft.



I swear this works wonders.  Let me know what you think!



*B*B

CRD













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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Legislation--U.S. & recipe

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:59:38 GMT

--------

ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC) wrote:



>THE GOOD NEWS IS,

>"Congressman Ron Paul has [drafted] HR 2868, which has just

>been introduced [I don't know where it is in the committee process]. Its the

> Consumer Health Free Speech Act, and it will

>change the current definition of drug in the food, drug and Cosmetic Act to

>remove the word "food" from the definition of "drug". This will enable us

>to make therapeutic claims on dietary supplements.



The last thing our world needs is for manufacturers and distributors

to make therapeutic claims on dietary supplements. Talk about

irresponsible and unaccountable advertising. This is not what we need

in the Alternative health sector.  Until an Alternative health body is

formed to speak for people and represent people then THE LAW SHOULD

NOT BE CHANGED.



Just as the allopaths are represented by MDs, then so too should

alternative health be represented by practitioners. Certainly the

pharmaceutical can't be trusted to approve their own drugs; so too,

the vitamin & supplement people can't be trusted to convey the

properties of the products they make and sell.



Form a Wholistic Health Society (for example) and give it governing

authority over the alternative health sector.

___

jmt



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Legislation--U.S. & recipe

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:00:02 -0500

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RAVENDANC wrote in message

<19971118012101.UAA14787@ladder02.news.aol.com>...



<Snip>



>THE GOOD NEWS IS,

>"Congressman Ron Paul has [drafted] HR 2868, which has just

>been introduced [I don't know where it is in the committee process]. Its

the

> Consumer Health Free Speech Act, and it will

>change the current definition of drug in the food, drug and Cosmetic Act to

>remove the word "food" from the definition of "drug". This will enable us

>to make therapeutic claims on dietary supplements.





If I understand you correctly, I am not at all sure this IS good news!

There is a great danger that the greedy and unscrupulous can then sell

"dietary supplements" on which they can make any kind of unsubstantiated

claims in the hopes of boosting their own profits.  This does NOT serve the

interests of those people who want a healthy lifestyle or an alternative to

synthetic drugs but who don't have the knowledge to realize when they're

being conned.  What is going to keep the big food manufacturers from

claiming all sorts of wonderful benefits from their latest sugar- and

fat-laden junk?  Will we see candy with miniscule amounts of vitamin C added

sold as cold medicines?



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Legislation--U.S. & recipe

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 22:53:26 GMT

--------

In article <64t6h4$pkg@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> writes:



>If I understand you correctly, I am not at all sure this IS good news!

>There is a great danger that the greedy and unscrupulous can then sell

>"dietary supplements" on which they can make any kind of unsubstantiated

>claims in the hopes of boosting their own profits. 



The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 did allow

"structure-function" claims with the provision that these claims must be

based on third-party scientific literature (in other words, you couldn't

quote Culpepper's 17th century herbal or your marketing manager's personal

opinion, but you could use material published in the German Commission E

reports). The DSHEA also allows companies to provide third party literature

to support their claims if the literature does not specify a particular brand.



How does the new act differ from this?



Regards,

Rosemary





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Legislation--U.S. & recipe

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 01:52:01 GMT

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Form more information on this please check out this website.



<<<www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/hammell/S830-nov.txt>>>



<<There is a great danger that the greedy and unscrupulous can then sell

"dietary supplements" on which they can make any kind of unsubstantiatedclaims

in the hopes of boosting their own profits.>>



My reply to this is industry guidelines need to be adopted, and the public

needs more access to information (by the way,  is there any "national" group of

herbalist?), BUT the answer is not to regulate herbs or herbal supplements as

DRUGS.



Below is an exerpt on  CODEX :



<<<An insidious bill, called the CODEX LAW or CODEX ALIMENTARIUS, has already

been sneaked through both the Senate and the House of Representatives in record

time.  It has been passed by both houses.  The Codex is a nutrition

code to set worldwide standards for foods, drugs, pesticides and their trade.

The latest German proposal includes the following provisions:



  1. No vitamin, mineral, herb or food supplement can be sold for

     preventative or therapeutic use.

  2. None sold as a food can exceed dosage levels set by the Commission. For

     example, 50 mg of vitamin C is the top dosage sold in Germany today.

  3. CODEX regulations for dietary supplements would become legally binding

     in the USA through the GATT Treaty, which would involve enormous fines in 

 America if we did not comply.

  4. All new dietary supplements will be banned unless they pass the CODEX  

approval process.  You can imagine what that means.



The wording in the Congressional Bill uses the term "harmonization" which means

that most senators and congresspersons are likely not aware of the

implications.



The delegates that make up and decide on the CODEX mandates are made up of 90%

of the giant Multi-national Pharmaceutical corporations. The drug companies

want to monopolize and create pharmaceutical versions of the Natural healthfood

and nutrient business throughout the world. An example of the consequences: 

possession of DHEA is now a felony in Canada with the same penalty as that for

possession of drugs [ and a note that comfrey is also "illegal].  You could go

to jailfor having DHEA in your house.



The latest development as of 10/18/97 is that the House and Senate are now

voting on a 3rd merged version of the Codex Bill. (The House Companion Bill).





CODEX: What does it mean?

Although written by a prominent Canadian M.D., the article

below, one of the best we have read on the topic, was distributed

by a U.S. group seeking to stop the CODEX in the U.S. The CODEX affects the

U.S., Canada, and all member nations of the U.N. We urge you to read it and

decide if maybe, just maybe, it's finally time for you to use the democractic

process TODAY to preserve the future of you and your family TOMORROW.



"If you value freedom of choice in health care, it may

still not be too late for you to help stop the pending world wide

suppression of Complementary Medicine. If the Codex Alimentarius (Nutrition

Code) Commission has its way, then herbs, vitamins, minerals, homeopathic

remedies, amino acids and other natural remedies you have taken for granted

most of your life will be gone. The name of the game for Codex is to shift all

remedies under the prescription category that would be controlled exclusively

by the medical monopoly and its bosses, the major pharmaceutical firms. This

scenario, predictably, has been denied by both the Canadian Health Food

Association (CHFA) and the Health Protection Branch. Do not for one second

believe these

people. Let me explain:



Codex is not a new sanitary napkin. Nor is it a benign group of boring

bureaucrats. It is officially known as the United Nations/World Health

Organization (WHO) Codex Alimentarius (Nutrition Code) Commission. It meets

every 2 years, usually in Rome, and very little has appeared about it in the

media. Nevertheless, documentation supports the possibility that Codex is the

greatest threat to health freedom in the world today. Most of the information

we have on this secretive group can be found on the Internet. Codex is

empowered by governments to set standards of operation for the health industry.

Over 90% of the international organizations allowed to send delegates to the

meetings represent giant multinational pharmaceutical

corporations. The only consumer organization is the International

Organization of Consumer Unions. Neither the natural health

care industry nor the general public has any representation at

Codex meetings.



In October, 1996, Codex met in Bonn, Germany to make radical changes in the

rules governing dietary supplements for member nations. The proposals of

greatest concern were those made by the German delegation (Proposed Draft

Guidelines for Dietary Supplements) and is being sponsored by Hoechst, Bayer

and BASF. These  are the three drug companies formed when the Nurenberg War

Trials disbanded IG Farben, manufacturer of the poison gas used in Nazi

concentration camps. Ostensibly, their purpose is ";....create a set of

international standards to guide the world's growing food industry and to

protect the health of consumers."; If you really believe that, I have some

ocean front property for you at half price in Saskatoon.  The drug company

backed proposals call for the following: 



 No vitamin, mineral, herb, etc., can be sold for prophylactic

(preventative) or therapeutic reasons.



Natural remedies can be sold as food but they must not exceed the

potency (dosage) levels set by the commission. This means that consumer access

to dietary supplements will be limited to the RDA dosage as a maximum limit for

vitamins (vitamin C - 60 mg, vitamin E - 15 mg, etc.).

Supplements without an RDA (e.g. coenzyme Q10) would be illegal to sell because

they would all become drugs.



Codex regulations for dietary supplements would become binding,

eliminating the escape clause within the General Agreement of Tariffs and Trade

(GATT) that allows a nation to set its own standards. This applies to all

member countries of the U.N. Any nation that does not accept and apply these

new standards will be heavily fined by the World Trade Organization (WTO)

creating the potential of crippling entire sectors of that nation's economy.



All new supplements would be banned unless they go through the Codex approval

process. Five steps have already been taken in the Codex process over the past

few years. Remember Canadian Bill C-7 which was passed eventually in Canada as

C-8? The similarity of the process, the secrecy and the wording between the

Codex proposals and the Canadian laws is uncanny. Voting in favour of adopting

the German proposal has been overwhelming (16 for and 2 against in the most

recent vote). The Codex process is now at Step Five-formalization and debate

concerning the specific features. In two years, Codex could jump from step 5 to

step 8 to finalize these restrictions.



The Codex proposals already exist as law in Norway

and Germany where the entire health food industry has literally

been taken over by the drug companies. In these countries,

vitamin C above 200 mg is illegal as is vitamin E ab

 45 IU, Vitamin B1 over 2.4 mg and so on. Shering-Plough, the Norway

pharmaceutical giant, now controls an echinacea tincture which is being sold

there as an OTC drug at grossly inflated prices. The same is true of ginkgo and

many other herbs and only one

government controlled pharmacy has the right to import

supplements as medicines which they can sell to health food

stores, convenience stores, or pharmacies. According to Dr.

Matthias Rath, researcher and author who discovered a correlation

between vitamin C deficiency and heart disease, the three

Nazi-linked drug companies pushing so hard for the German

proposal, Hoechst, Bayer and BASF, are also manufacturers of

heart drugs. Obviously, with the vitamin competition gone,

nothing will stop their profits. Yes, very much so. According to John C.

Hammell, legal advocate for the

U.S. based Life Extension Foundation, the Nazi-linked proposals

have the backing of Canadian and French Codex commission

representatives. In June of 1996, the Codex Executive committee

will be creating an expert panel on herbs which is

likely to generate a negative list to prevent public

access to certain herbs internationally (see the list below). The

formation of this expert panel was advocated by none other than

the Canadian representatives. Why then are the HPB and the CHFA denying that

the Codex proposals will have no impact on the availability of nutritional

supplements in Canada? Either

spokespersons for these two groups are ignorant about the

proposals or they are lying to the public in order to protect

drug company profits. After all, several voting members of the

CHFA are owned by or are subsidiaries of major drug manufacturers or

pharmaceutical chains. Neither group can be trusted to give the public straight

answers about the Codex scam. They are in a clear conflict of interest since

they stand to gain financially when the supplement prices are boosted out the

roof. Further evidence of Canadian involvement is the HPB (Hocus Pocus Bunch)

position on what is or is not a food or a drug. This bunch is either cleverly

devious about their support of pharmaceutical concerns or just plain dumb. For

example, garlic, ginger, licorice and peppermint are considered to be foods

when sold as spices. If a grocery store manager makes claims for their

therapeutic effects, they then become drugs via a hocus pocus

mechanism which remains to be defined. As it now stands in Canada (and this

changes on a regular basis given the current mood, blood sugar level or whims

of officials at the HPB) the following list of currently available health food

store nutritional supplements are considered nebulously to be either a drug a

drug even in the absence of claims or a new drug with claims



Aloe vera

Astragalus

Bilberry

Capsicum

Cascara sagrada

Cat's claw

Chamomile

Dong Quai

Echinacea augustifolia

Echinacea purpurea

Ephedra (Ma huang)

Feverfew

Garlic

Ginger

Ginkgo biloba

Ginseng

Golden Seal

Gotu Kola

Hawthorne

Kava Kava

Licorice

Milk Thistle

Pau D'arco (Taheebo)

Peppermint

Psyllium

Sarsaparilla

Saw palmetto

Yohimbe



This list is likely to expand over the next two years.



If the Codex and the HPB have their way, your favorite supplements will be

replaced by expensive, patented, over-the-counter or prescription drugs.

Just look what has already happened to amino acids like tryptophan. Once

available for under $20 for a bottle of 100 tablets of 500 mgs. at your local

health food store, the same tablet is now only available by prescription at a

cost of over $120 at your pharmacy. On top of that, in order to get a

prescription for tryptophan, you will have to convince your doctor to give you

one. This is easier said than done simply because most medical doctors have no

clue what tryptophan does or believe it to be toxic. Project this shallow

thinking on to the herbs listed above and it becomes quite clear that public

access to natural remedies will be a thing of the past."



For more information, documentation and a plan of action to fight the Codex

proposals, contact:

John Hammell, Legislative Advocate, The Life Extension Foundation

2411 Monroe St. #2 Hollywood, FL 33020 USA

Telephone: 800-333-2553, 954-929-2905

Internet web site: http://www/lef.org/lef/index.html

>>>>>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: licorice root

From: Leslie <lesliew@interlog.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:32:55 -0800

--------

Someone mentioned something about licorice root for canker (I really

have no idea how to spell that word) sores.  



How should it be prepared and applied?



Thanks,



Leslie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: licorice root

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:04:49 -0500

--------

Leslie wrote:

> 

> Someone mentioned something about licorice root for canker (I really

> have no idea how to spell that word) sores.

> 

> How should it be prepared and applied?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Leslie



My daughter gets canker sores frequently - we've tried everything - now

she uses colloidal silver salve externally, and takes liquid colloidal

silver internally.  It seems to be working very well.  She is a

teenager, and also had unsightly warts on her hands.  Again, we tried

everything, and were just about to go to a dermatologist and have them

frozen off - then, since I know that warts are viral, I put her on a

regimen of liquid colloidal silver - within a week, they were completely

gone!  This product seems to work exceptionally well for various

ailments and conditions - and without the side effects of some of the

traditional remedies.  If you'd like more info, please contact me via

email at jmartin@echoweb.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Circulation herbs?

From: andy16@REMOVEix.netcom.com (Andy)

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:54:27 GMT

--------

What herbs are good for increased circulation to the extremities?

I've tried Ginkgo Biloba which does work but I'm mildly allergic to

it.  What else works as well?



Thanks,



Andy





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To: andy16@REMOVEix.netcom.com

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Circulation herbs?

From: ARS <hfksales@javanet.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:55:36 -0500

--------

Cayenne, Ginger, Peppermint, most essential oils, Rosemary



Andy wrote:



> What herbs are good for increased circulation to the extremities?

> I've tried Ginkgo Biloba which does work but I'm mildly allergic to

> it.  What else works as well?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Andy











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Circulation herbs?

From: rbw225@aol.com (RBW 225)

Date: 20 Nov 1997 03:54:17 GMT

--------

>

>> What herbs are good for increased circulation to the extremities?



>Cayenne, Ginger, Peppermint, most essential oils, Rosemary



Cayenne, ginger, peppermint and rosemary are excellent for digestive system,

 but , as for circulation, try ginko biloba and ginseng.

.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Circulation herbs?

From: jmt@removethisYAR.AURACOM.COM (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:23:07 GMT

--------

rbw225@aol.com (RBW 225) wrote:



>>

>>> What herbs are good for increased circulation to the extremities?



>>Cayenne, Ginger, Peppermint, most essential oils, Rosemary



>try ginko biloba and ginseng.



Add yarrow, horseradish and hawthorn to the list.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Ukrainian herbs

From: habage@aol.com (Habage)

Date: 18 Nov 1997 16:44:06 GMT

--------

Anyone know about medicinal and fragrance herbs that grow wild in the Ukraine

 or were commonly grown there 100 years ago?  I am a children's book author

 working on a novel set near Kiev 100 years ago.  I need to know what medicinal

 herbs would be collected in the spring and what they'd be used for.  I also

 need to know what a young woman might have used for fragrance, either as a

 sachet or to make a lotion or cologne. 



Please answer by private e-mail.  Only reply if you are sure; no guessing,

 please! 



Many thanks.  Hanna Geshelin, habage @ aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for Myofasial Pain Syndrome

From: "John Fink" <jfink@jps.net>

Date: 18 Nov 97 17:13:36 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of a natural herb that would help ease myofasial pain

syndrome?

My wife has Fibromyalgia and the doctor proscribed Voltaren for the

Myofasia inflamation problem.

It seems to have potasium and sulfate in it but I'm not sure.  The stuff

takes forever to ease 

her pain.  Any help would be appreciated.



John in Rough & Ready

jfink@jps.net









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Folklore on Bittersweet

From: woodstck@cybernex.net

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:53:23 -0500

--------

I need to find out any information on the uses and lore surrounding the

American Bittersweet plant.  Can anyone help?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Jamaican Dogwood

From: patrici@ak.net

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:51:52 -0900

--------

Somebody was looking for information on Jamaican Dogwood a few weeks 

ago.  I lost the original post, but found a pretty good book with a 

small photograph, info on propagation, habitat, ecological distribution, 

and uses (medicinal and other). This JD is Piscidia piscipula, and I 

think the person who posted was looking for P. erythrina.  However, 

they sound similar to me.  For all I know, the two names might be 

synonyms - consult someone smarter than me to be sure - I don't know.



If you want the book (I HAVE NO COMMERCIAL INTEREST), it's "Seashore 

Plants of South Florida and the Caribbean" by David W. Nellis, published 

by Pineapple Press, Inc.  Check your library or local book store.  Good 

luck.



Patricia

REAL E-MAIL:  Change "ak" to "alaska"





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Jamaican Dogwood

From: David Parsons <david.parsons@psianx1.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:10:48 +0000

--------

In article <3472C4C8.924@ak.net>, patrici@ak.net writes

>Somebody was looking for information on Jamaican Dogwood a few weeks 

>ago.  I lost the original post, but found a pretty good book with a 

>small photograph, info on propagation, habitat, ecological distribution, 

>and uses (medicinal and other). This JD is Piscidia piscipula, and I 

>think the person who posted was looking for P. erythrina.  However, 

>they sound similar to me.  For all I know, the two names might be 

>synonyms - consult someone smarter than me to be sure - I don't know.

>

>If you want the book (I HAVE NO COMMERCIAL INTEREST), it's "Seashore 

>Plants of South Florida and the Caribbean" by David W. Nellis, published 

>by Pineapple Press, Inc.  Check your library or local book store.  Good 

>luck.

>

>Patricia

>REAL E-MAIL:  Change "ak" to "alaska"

Patricia,



Many thanks for the information, I will certainly look for the book.



You are correct that P.erythrina is a synonym of P. piscipula. I still

don't know if anybody cultivates it, all information that I have got is

that the bark is wild crafted and most of the product comes from

Jamaica. 



I also know you have to be careful with other species/sub species of

Piscidia from North/Central America as they contain rotenones which

isn't good for you. In fact native indians use it as a fish poison.



Best wishes



David.

-- 

David Parsons





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: FDA Trying to Ban Ephedra/Ma Huang

From: "V.R. Peterson" <vmp@bigfoot.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:11:24 -0800

--------

I got this information from "A Better Way" newsletter, and got Dr.

Weed's permission to post it here.  Anybody who (has in the past/does

now/or might in the future) benefit from Ephedra needs to act to keep

the FDA from taking it off the U.S. market.  Action needs to be taken

between now and December 2nd.

-- 

****************

V.R. Peterson

vmp@bigfoot.com

****************



> 

>                     Dr. Weed's

>                            A Better Way

>                                     Newsletter

> 

> 

>                     SOS! HERB NEEDS YOUR HELP!

> 

> Those of you who have been receiving my newsletter for some time 

> know that I do not often cover political issues. However, an 

> urgent issue regarding the FDA and Ephedra/Ma Huang has come 

> before us and I feel urged to ask for your immediate help. 

> 

> The FDA has moved to take Chinese Ephedra, or Ma Huang, off the 

> U.S. market. Ephedra is an herb that has been successfully used 

> for 5,000 years for asthma, allergies, sinus problems, energy and 

> weight loss. I have personally benefited from it for allergies 

> and know of hundreds of others who have likewise benefited. (For 

> the complete story on ephedra, an "herb with a PR problem," see 

> my past newsletter: http://a-better-way.com/ephedra.html)

> 

> At present, the FDA denies that they have any evidence that 

> anyone has ever received a benefit from Ephedra/Ma Huang. If you 

> have benefited from this herb, or know of others who have, please 

> write to the FDA and tell them your experience. It is urgent that 

> the FDA receives a flood of such letters between now and December 

> 2nd, the day that they will stop hearing comments from the 

> public. 

> 

> Remember, 20,000 Americans suffer serious health consequences 

> each year from taking aspirin and aspirin substitutes. Each year, 

> 2,000 of these people die. No one is trying to take aspirin off 

> the market. Ephedra's safety record is hundreds of times better 

> than aspirin's. 

> 

> It is urgent that you write to the FDA at the address below, or 

> you can fax them at: 301-594-3215, if busy 202-260-8957. A sample 

> letter is proposed below. If you use this letter, please 

> personalize it, print it, sign it, and mail it to the FDA: 

>  

> --

> 

> Attention: Dockets Management Branch, HFA-305

> U.S. Food and Drug Administration

> 12410 Parklawn Drive, Room 1-23

> Rockville, MD 20857

> 

> Re: Docket # 95N-0304

> 

> Dear Gentlepersons:

> 

> Thank you very much for your notice in the Aug. 20, 1997 Federal 

> Register which states that the FDA will reopen the comment period 

> for an additional 75 days for the proposed rule on dietary 

> supplements containing ephedrine alkaloids that appeared in the 

> Federal Register of June 4, 1997.

> 

> I have listed below (1) a number of ways that I (or my small 

> business) will be hurt by the FDA's proposed rule; and (2) some 

> benefits that I (and/or my customers) have received from using 

> Ephedra/Ma Huang dietary supplements. Please include these in the 

> record: 

> 

> (1) I (and/or my small business) will be hurt in these ways:

> 

> 

> 

> (2) Benefits that I (and/or my customers) have received:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Sincerely,

> 

> Signed

> Name and Address

> 

> 

> 

> --

> 

> Thank you!

> 

> 

>                       Dr Duane Weed, MS, DC 

>                            A BETTER WAY 

>                         3233 Fee Fee Road 

>                    Bridgeton MO 63044-3208 USA

>                      drweed@a-better-way.com

>                      http://a-better-way.com

> 

> 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FDA Trying to Ban Ephedra/Ma Huang

From: Daniel and Shawnna <dwonder@concentric.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:58:46 -0800

--------

This has nothing to do with ephedra, but the FDA. Does anyone know

what's going on with or about stevia? I saw on the FDA page that in

Hawaii they (the FDA) recalled an entire shipment of iced coffee from

Tawain due to it containing stevia.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FDA Trying to Ban Ephedra/Ma Huang

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:18:39 -0500

--------

Daniel and Shawnna wrote in message <34736115.4DDE77C5@concentric.net>...

>This has nothing to do with ephedra, but the FDA. Does anyone know

>what's going on with or about stevia? I saw on the FDA page that in

>Hawaii they (the FDA) recalled an entire shipment of iced coffee from

>Tawain due to it containing stevia.

>



I hadn't heard that, but it makes sense.  Stevia is allowed into the

country, as I understand, only as a "dietary supplement", not as a food

additive, so the FDA would be *required* by law to seize or block entry to

any shipment of food containing Stevia.  Until Stevia is proven safe to the

FDA's satisfaction, it will continue to be limited to the current status.



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: FDA Trying to Ban Ephedra/Ma Huang

From: Shddemon@cris.com (SHADOWDEMON)

Date: 20 Nov 1997 01:07:03 GMT

--------

In article <34736115.4DDE77C5@concentric.net>,

Daniel and Shawnna  <dwonder@concentric.net> wrote:

>This has nothing to do with ephedra, but the FDA. Does anyone know

>what's going on with or about stevia? I saw on the FDA page that in

>Hawaii they (the FDA) recalled an entire shipment of iced coffee from

>Tawain due to it containing stevia.

Stevia used to be ilelgal in the US (for no good reason) It's legal now,

but because of the NutraSweet lobbyists, can only be sold in bulk herb

form.. or in cosmetics, or as an extract.



I may be wrong here, but this is what I read on the Stevia pamphlet..

	Dave

>









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: grapseed extract and pycnogenol

From: jwalkerh@mindspring.com (EEOPro)

Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:28:32 GMT

--------

Hello there,

Does anyone have doseage information as it relates to these

supplements and ADD?

Thanx,

Jeny







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: grapseed extract and pycnogenol

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:00:46 -0500

--------

EEOPro wrote:

> 

> Hello there,

> Does anyone have doseage information as it relates to these

> supplements and ADD?

> Thanx,

> Jeny

 I have information on pycnogenols and ADD - people are achieving

wonderful results!  I also have information on an Isotonic form of the

grape seed, pine bark and red wine extracts - it is assimilated much

more effectively than the tablet or capsule form - this is especially

important for children and the elderly, who may already have difficulty

swallowing tablets and capsules.



OPC - 3 comes in crystalline form; when mixed with water, it becomes an

effervescent drink, similar to alka seltzer.  It has a pleasant grape

flavor, and I have had no problems getting my children to use it.  



Please reply to jmartin@echoweb.net for more info.



Regards, 



Julie Martin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: grapseed extract and pycnogenol

From: Disenchanted <dischant@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:53:03 -0800

--------





EEOPro wrote:



> Hello there,

> Does anyone have doseage information as it relates to these

> supplements and ADD?

> Thanx,

> Jeny



The dosage of grape seed extract I was prescribed was a capsule once in

the morning and again in late afternoon.  The capsules contain 40mg of

grape seed extract, 320 of yucca, 200 mg of hawthorn beryy, 140mg

bilberry, 120mg of ginkgo biloba extract, 60mg milk thistle, and 20mg of

catalase enzyme.  I also take 1 oz of liquid essential minerals  both

times and a mulit-enzyme capsule three times a day.  I have no idea if

any of this answers your question or will be of any use but I thought I

would post it in the obscure chance that it did.



et

raevyn







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal Enemas

From: nmadr1@aol.com (NMA DR1)

Date: 19 Nov 1997 19:51:14 GMT

--------

Most herbs absorb much quicker and effectively when administered rectally by

 enema.



I am a real colon therapist in NJ, and offer cleansing and herbal enemas, all

 using disposible and safe equipment.



North NJ location.

Email for more information please.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Lookin fo Home Remedies.

From: "The Herb Man" <danl@itis.com>

Date: 20 Nov 1997 02:02:17 GMT

--------

There is a book by Hanna Kroeger called, "Old Time Remedies" that is

fabulous. It is available for $5 at http://www.southernherb.com.



Have fun.



Stanley <so@bigfoot.com> wrote in article <346E879F.385C@bigfoot.com>...

> I am interested in hearing of your old home remedies and where you are 

> from. I am thinking of adding a section to my website on Home Remedies.

> -- 

> Sincerely, Stanley

> Website: http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~stanley/

> Nature's Vineyard: http://www.freeyellow.com/members/dixie/index.html

> 

> Unsolicited commercial e-mail is deleted by SMartMail.

> 

> 

> 





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal BodyWrap

From: sandie@laughing-fire.com (Sandie)

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 03:56:05 GMT

--------

Hello:



I just saw an article on bodywraps, where it looks like they

wrap ace bandages around a person and then soak the wraps with

what they say was special minerals and herbs. It is supposed to

take inches off and firm the skin..



I was wondering what those minerals and herbs were that they

referred to? Also, is this for real? Seems strange to me, but

maybe someone could explain how it is supposed to work?



Sandie







***********************************************************************

Skeptics are important for progress in my reckoning - it is cynics that

are dangerous.



SumBuddie

***********************************************************************









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Subject: Re: Herbal BodyWrap

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 08:50:20 -0900

--------

Hi Sandie,

Those body wraps do not work permanently. All they do is take water from the body. You lose inches until you drink a glass of water, then it all comes back. They are relaxing, and won't hurt you, they just don't work.

There are some legitimate herbal wraps out there, which use a cream, then a wrap in a plastic-type material. What these kinds of wraps do is take out trapped toxins from the skin. You also drink lots of water after having this type of wrap, in order to flush the toxins out. They are very good for cellulite, too. 

I have had both kinds of body wraps done. Both are nice and relaxing, but I have found only the cream one to actually work.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal BodyWrap

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:08:03 -0500

--------

Sandie wrote:

> 

> Hello:

> 

> I just saw an article on bodywraps, where it looks like they

> wrap ace bandages around a person and then soak the wraps with

> what they say was special minerals and herbs. It is supposed to

> take inches off and firm the skin..

> 

> I was wondering what those minerals and herbs were that they

> referred to? Also, is this for real? Seems strange to me, but

> maybe someone could explain how it is supposed to work?

> 

> Sandie

> 

> ***********************************************************************

> Skeptics are important for progress in my reckoning - it is cynics that

> are dangerous.

> 

> SumBuddie

> ***********************************************************************

Mmmmmmmmmm - sounds interesting, but I'm not sure how it would work. 

There is always so much more involved in weight loss - this wrap might

feel great, but I can't see how it would help the overall problem. 

Better to eat moderately, watch the fat intake, and try herbal

preparations that control cravings, level blood sugar, and preserve lean

muscle mass while promoting increased metabolism.  Email me for info on

such a product; it's working for me!



Julie jmartin@echoweb.net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: gotu kola vrs pennywort?

From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

Date: 20 Nov 1997 06:14:28 GMT

--------

I have been searching in libraries and online and cannot find the answer to my

 dilemma. I am trying to identify a plant that is either gotu kola (centella

 asiatica) syn (hydrocotlye asiatica)



*OR*

pennywort (centella vulgaris) syn (hydrocotyle vulgaris)



all of the pictures of both of these look alike. sometimes gotu kola is called

 pennywort and sometimes a differentiation is made.



From what I understand pennywort(vulgaris) has no medicinal properties.

I have searched all the articles and find both look identical and the two are

 very confusing. If you can help me please email me at

yesirree@aol.com. I have spent hours on this with no answer. thank you





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gotu kola vrs pennywort?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:18:51 -0500

--------

Yesirree wrote in message <19971120061401.BAA29670@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I have been searching in libraries and online and cannot find the answer to

my

> dilemma. I am trying to identify a plant that is either gotu kola

(centella

> asiatica) syn (hydrocotlye asiatica)

>

>*OR*

>pennywort (centella vulgaris) syn (hydrocotyle vulgaris)

>

>all of the pictures of both of these look alike. sometimes gotu kola is

called

> pennywort and sometimes a differentiation is made.

>

>From what I understand pennywort(vulgaris) has no medicinal properties.

>I have searched all the articles and find both look identical and the two

are

> very confusing. If you can help me please email me at

>yesirree@aol.com. I have spent hours on this with no answer. thank you



Pennywort is a common name.  All common names are suspect.  You should

always use the botanical (latin)name when possible to avoid confusion.

There are actually many pennyworts - they are called that because of the

shape of their leaves.  Several of them are members of the same (carrot or

"umbelliferae") family of plants, which as you may know also contains such

herbs as poison hemlock.  Some of the "pennyworts" may also be at least

somewhat poisonous.  Bottom line:  appearance and common name mean NOTHING

when it comes to protecting your health (and life!).  If it isn't Hydrocotyl

(or Centella) asiatica, I'd leave it alone!



-RJO











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: gotu kola vrs pennywort?

From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

Date: 29 Nov 1997 01:53:02 GMT

--------

I agree totally. If it isnt asiatica leave it alone but my whole dilema is how

to tell if it *is* or *is not* asiatica. They look so similar. What are  the

definitive ways to tell one from the other. I still cannot find out.

thank you

Catherine





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:29:14 GMT

--------

Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging abilities

of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I get

it?



Thanks,



FRED





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:20:11 -0500

--------

Fred Morenberg wrote:

> 

> Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging abilities

> of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I get

> it?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> FRED

Grape seed extract and pine bark extract ( along eith red wine extract),

are all oigo proanthocyanidins commonly known by the tradename,

Pycnogenols tm.  OPC's are bioflavanoids; complex organic plant

compounds found mostly in fruits and vegetables with a wide range of

chemical and pharmacological effects in the body.  Recent discoveries

show that Oligo proanthocyanidins render vitamin C 20 times more potent,

as they prevent the free radicals from scavenging vitamin C - OPC's

render vitamin E up to 50 times more potent.



I have information on a product called OPC-3, which contains the three

most powerful sources of Oligo proanthocyanidins; grape seed, pine bark,

and red wine extracts.  OPC-3 is in isotonic formula, which means is

that it is in a crystalline form that, when mixed with water, becomes

effervescent, like alka seltzer.  Tests have proven that supplements

taken in isotonic formula are more bioavailable to the body, and much

more quickly assimilated than supplements in tablet or capsule form.



For more information, please email me at jmartin@echoweb.net



Regards, 



Julie Martin





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 18:54:40 GMT

--------

In article <EJy5EE.Lrw@nonexistent.com>, Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

writes:



>Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging abilities

>of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I get

>it?



There are several comparisons of the two. Unfortunately, I've never come across

one where the author was not involved with the manufacturer of one type or the

other. Anybody else found an independent third party opinion?



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

healingpgs@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: "Moreta" <moreta@foxinternet.net>

Date: 21 Nov 97 20:33:33 GMT

--------





HealingPgs <healingpgs@aol.com> wrote in article

<19971121185400.NAA26645@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> In article <EJy5EE.Lrw@nonexistent.com>, Fred Morenberg

<fredm@rockland.net>

> writes:

> There are several comparisons of the two. Unfortunately, I've never come

across

> one where the author was not involved with the manufacturer of one type

or the

> other. Anybody else found an independent third party opinion?

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

> healingpgs@aol.com



Actually I do have a book around here that discusses all the pros cons and

varieties of pygnogenol I will have to go track it down. I stuck it in a

safe place. 





Mo







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 19:47:50 -0700

--------

In article <EJy5EE.Lrw@nonexistent.com>,

Fred Morenberg  <fredm@rockland.net> wrote:

>Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging abilities

>of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I get

>it?

>

>Thanks,

>

>FRED





Ay, heck, I mailed the information to my mom, but e-mail me and I'll send

you what info I have.  Pretty much, the two are the same.  The difference

(from the information I have in front of me) is that grape seed extracts

contain 92 to 95 percent PCOs (proanthocyanidins or procyanidins) while

pine bark contains 80 to 85 percent.  One more reason to drink red wine.





Kristen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:32:20 GMT

--------

On Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:22:09 GMT, .,@nowhere.net wrote:



>

>a doctor in Scotland I once corredsponded with said in Europe they

>'prescribe' pine bark over grape. In the usa, 'they' say grape is

>better and that grape is 'prescribed' in europe. Another case of

>Americans thinking they know it all, or trying to push their stuff.

>Yes, I'm American.

>

>Janine



I'm European and totally unbiased when it comes to the origin of

alternative or conventional medicines and supplements. I've used both

pine bark and grape seed and found them to be equal - neither make my

symptoms better!



--

Steve

-----------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk

  Author of NeuroDiet - neural network diet planner





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 29 Nov 1997 20:09:43 GMT

--------

In <347de406.1144669@news.cwo.com> .,@nowhere.net writes: 

>

>On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:29:14 GMT, Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

>wrote:

>

>>Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging

abilities

>>of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I

get

>>it?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>FRED

>

>a doctor in Scotland I once corredsponded with said in Europe they

>'prescribe' pine bark over grape. In the usa, 'they' say grape is

>better and that grape is 'prescribed' in europe. Another case of

>Americans thinking they know it all, or trying to push their stuff.

>Yes, I'm American.

>

>Janine







   Pine bark is not "American stuff"-- it's just pushed and hawked

these days by a lot of American MLM people as "Pycnogenol."   The

product is an import. It's extracted from French maritime pine bark, a

process invented by a Frenchman named Masquelier, who acts as though he

discovered this whole class of chemicals.  He didn't.  Grape seed

extract (you may remember they grow grapes in France?) outsells the

pine bark extract in France even now, by a factor of 400.  It's cheaper

and has all the same stuff, plus a few more anthocyanidins (in

particular, the highly antioxidative gallic esters, not to be found in

trees).  Whatever the benefits of these things, you should remember

that nearly all the experiements have been done on the

proanthocyanidins from grapeseed over the last 20 years, NOT the pine

bark stuff.  If you're going to be logical, this is the stuff to use.





                                        Steve Harris, M.D.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 29 Nov 1997 20:52:30 -0700

--------

In article <347de406.1144669@news.cwo.com>,  <.,@nowhere.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:29:14 GMT, Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net>

>wrote:

>

>>Is there a published comparison of the free radical scavenging abilities

>>of Grape Seed Extract  vs.  Pine Bark extract?  If so, where can I get

>>it?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>FRED

>

>a doctor in Scotland I once corredsponded with said in Europe they

>'prescribe' pine bark over grape. In the usa, 'they' say grape is

>better and that grape is 'prescribed' in europe. Another case of

>Americans thinking they know it all, or trying to push their stuff.

>Yes, I'm American.

>

>Janine







Oh, bull.  Pine bark was *known* first and therefore has been more

prescribed.  Grapeseed's PCO abilities are a fairly recent discovery.  It

isn't even cultural--- it's simply a matter of which was first known.

Just because it's prescribed in Europe doesn't mean it's better, and in

fact, pygnogenol is prescribed more in America as well.  Grape seed and

pine bark are almost identical (although I've read that grape seed

contains more PCO than pine bark, and I know that pine is slightly more

expensive).  











K





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition

Subject: Re: Grape Seed vs Pine Bark

From: Robert Jordan <medi@capecod.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:47:46 -0500

--------

> >a doctor in Scotland I once corredsponded with said in Europe they

> >'prescribe' pine bark over grape. In the usa, 'they' say grape is

> >better and that grape is 'prescribed' in europe. Another case of

> >Americans thinking they know it all, or trying to push their stuff.

> >Yes, I'm American.

> >

> >Janine

> 

> Oh, bull.  Pine bark was *known* first and therefore has been more

> prescribed.  Grapeseed's PCO abilities are a fairly recent discovery.  It

> isn't even cultural--- it's simply a matter of which was first known.

> Just because it's prescribed in Europe doesn't mean it's better, and in

> fact, pygnogenol is prescribed more in America as well.  Grape seed and

> pine bark are almost identical (although I've read that grape seed

> contains more PCO than pine bark, and I know that pine is slightly more

> expensive).

> 

> K

Hi there!  This is my very first time visiting this new function and

happend to find Alt.folklore.  My my what a suprise.  I'm a Eupropean

homeopath and have been working out of the US for thirty years.  Lab

tests and hundreds of my  patients have shown markedly more improvement

using pine bark verses grape seed as free radical scavengers.  On

average six months each patient out of 622 has dropped in metal, poison,

and general toxins 30% - 50% in these levels.  I find the pine bark to

be far more effective.  I realize this is unscientific but my computers

continually favor pine bark for 99.9% of my patients.  I have no

interest in any antioxidant if my patients do better on pine needeles

and bark I'm fine with that.





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To: Dee Lord <102175.2316@CompuServe.COM>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Goldenseal Antibiotic mix

From: Sherri <detailsplus@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:25:29 -0500

--------

I don't think it would hurt to keep on taking the herb mix.  The benefit

of the echinacea in boosting your immune system back up again,

prinmarily.  I would recommend you do use some acidophilus (even eat

yogurt) while you're on the antibiotics tho'.



Dee Lord wrote:



> I just started taking an antibiotic (Keflex/cephalexin).

> Prior to this I was taking echinacea and goldenseal, but

> I didn't start taking it soon enough so I had to start

> the antibiotic due to an upper respiratory infection.

> Would it be beneficial to continue taking the echinacea

> and goldenseal while I am on the antibiotic?  Or would it

> not be a good idea for some reason?  Of course, I can't

> get a straight answer out of the doctor on this one.

> Thanks for any help -

> Deanna

>

> --

> ***************************************************

> Dee Lord - DeannaL@compuserve.com

> Visit my travel web site - Vagabond Vacation Views:

> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DeannaL











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea Goldenseal Antibiotic mix

From: P h i l <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 11:15:38 -0700

--------

Remember, your body will build up an tolerance to even herbs, and the

echinacea/goldenseal mix should be taken 3 days on, 3 days off to

maintain it's effectiveness.

And no, it won't hurt to take along with the antibiotics... will help

the body. And the comment about the yogurt is a valid one... make sure

it is live culture tho.

:)

-- 

P h i l

--antispam - to reply via email, remove the 23 and change the ten to net





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Identifying an Herb??

From: "William M. Groth" <groth@rice.edu>

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 09:21:54 -0800

--------

I recently found a very nice prostrate type plant with somewhat thin and

fernlike leaves which was identified at the nursery as Marigold - Lemon 

Gem and did not have the scientific name.  It also had very pretty

little

yellow flowers on it.  The flowers are very simple looking but are a

very

bright yellow and I would describe them as similar to a miniature daisy.



Does anyone out there know what this herb is??

-- 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"THE WILLINATOR"	Bill GROTH

groth@rice.edu		3110 Natalias Court

			Houston, TX 77082-3476



 Some times Genealogy is my LIFE	Other times it is my Cichlids

 Or my Peppers & Herbs in the Garden	Zone 9a TEXAS GULF COAST

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	

      AUDITORS are the ones who go in after the battle is over to

			bayonette the wounded!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Lupes

From: blong911@aol.com (BLong911)

Date: 20 Nov 1997 19:13:01 GMT

--------

any suggetion for Lupes?

I have a lady friend with Lupes, is their a good herb for that.

Thanks in advance

clark





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Newsgroups: alt.health,sci.life-extension,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: any good health mail lists available??

From: jhowell1@flash.net (jhowell)

Date: 20 Nov 1997 23:51:31 GMT

--------

looking to subscribe to health or nutrition mail lists.  anybody know of 

any??  please email me.  thanks much in advance..   Jim in San Diego







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginkgo bilboa preparation

From: dgreenfield2@juno.com

Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:41:40 -0600

--------

I have access to a gingko tree.  How are the leaves prepared?  Can one

just grind up the leaves and eat them?	Can a tea be made?  Any info

would be greatly appreciated.



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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: ginkgo bilboa preparation

From: antispam@ozemail.com.au (Ray Breakwell)

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:53:46 +1100

--------

In article <879959719.21335@dejanews.com>, dgreenfield2@juno.com wrote:



>I have access to a gingko tree.  How are the leaves prepared?  Can one

>just grind up the leaves and eat them?  Can a tea be made?  Any info

>would be greatly appreciated.

>

>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

>      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





And if you get some replies to this...could you forward them to me,

please? ...I , too, have a GB tree ( only small at the moment), but my

intentions are the same.



Best wishes from the Central Coast, NSW, Australia.



...-Ray.



-- 

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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: ginkgo bilboa preparation

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 18:53:50 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 a> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:53:46 +1100

 a> Subject: Re: ginkgo bilboa preparation

 a> From: antispam@ozemail.com.au (Ray Breakwell)



 a> dgreenfield2@juno.com wrote:



>>I have access to a gingko tree.  How are the leaves prepared?  Can

one just grind

>> up the leaves and eat them? Can a tea be made?  Any info ... greatly

appreciated.



 a> And if you get some replies to this...could you forward them to me,

please? ...I ,

 a> too, have a GB tree ( only small at the moment), but my intentions

are the same.



I make tincture from them.  Tea, as well.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Horse-Chestnut Extract for Varicose Veins

From: gary@zimco.com

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:29:59 GMT

--------

I recently read a study where 50mg of Horse-Chestnut Seed Extract

taken for 12 weeks reduced edema nearly the same measurement as

wearing compression stockingsfor the same period.



Does anyone have any experience with this herb?



TIA,



gary@zimco.com







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bone growth

From: "Jason Wilder" <jwilder69@microsoft.com>

Date: 21 Nov 1997 18:41:30 GMT

--------

My Father-in-law has a bone growth on his spinal cord that is slowly

growing larger and larger.  This growth is stopping the flow of spinal

fluid in his spine.  It is slowly causing him to go paralyzed.  I know

there are several herbs to help with bone growth, are there any to inhibit

bone growth.  This was caused by Agent Orange exposure he recieved in

Vietnam.  Can anyone help?



lazerman@searnet.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Bone growth

From: Chris & Christine <csquared@SpamBeGONE_bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:57:55 GMT

--------

Jason Wilder wrote:

> 

> My Father-in-law has a bone growth on his spinal cord that is slowly

> growing larger and larger.  This growth is stopping the flow of spinal

> fluid in his spine.  It is slowly causing him to go paralyzed.  I know

> there are several herbs to help with bone growth, are there any to inhibit

> bone growth.  This was caused by Agent Orange exposure he recieved in

> Vietnam.  Can anyone help?

> 

> lazerman@searnet.com



Don't know if it will help:

Has he tried essiac tea? Look it up in your local food co-op.

Good luck.



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Subject: National Herbal Groups

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 20:13:25 GMT

--------

In article <19971121015200.UAA17321@ladder02.news.aol.com>, ravendanc@aol.com

(RAVENDANC) writes:



>My reply to this is industry guidelines need to be adopted, and the public

>needs more access to information (by the way,  is there any "national" group

>of

>herbalist?), BUT the answer is not to regulate herbs or herbal supplements as

>DRUGS.



There are several national associations for herbalists. For those interested in

the manufacture of herbal products, the largest is probably 

American Herbal Products Association

4733 Bethesda Avenue, Suite 345

Bethesda, Maryland 20814 



They advocate responsible manufacture of herbal products, support research,

etc.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

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Subject: Re: Lupus (was Lupes)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Nov 1997 20:14:14 GMT

--------

In article <19971120191301.OAA08160@ladder02.news.aol.com>, blong911@aol.com

(BLong911) writes:



>any suggetion for Lupes?

>I have a lady friend with Lupes, is their a good herb for that.

>Thanks in advance



There are several different forms of lupus, the most common causing increased

sensitivity to the sun and various flu-like symptoms. Balch's Nutritional

Prescription for Healing has a very good chapter on this topic, and should be

available in most libraries. 



There have been some studies done with treating lupus with DHEA (a hormone, not

an herb). This definitely seems to be a disease where one type of treatment

does not work for everybody. My cousin just completed a book on lupus that had

a series of interviews with lupus patients. What struck me reading the

manuscript was the number of different approaches that each person took, until

they found something that worked for them..



My cousin, Claudia Pagano, has had lupus for several years (hence the book) and

strongly recommends finding a lupus support group -- the national organization

is called the Lupus Foundation of America.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

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Subject: Strep Throat

From: Disenchanted <dischant@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:48:49 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any suggestions of herbal remedies? Thanx







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Subject: Re: Strep Throat

From: Tika Waylan Majere <tika_waylan@geocities.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:53:59 -0600

--------

Disenchanted wrote:

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions of herbal remedies? Thanx

 try 2 tablespoons of honey add 3 minced cloves of garlic and 2

teaspoons of cayenne pepper....mix together and take one teaspoon every

2-4 hours.....do not drink right away after taking this..the honey needs

to hold the garlic and cayenne up against the throat.

			Joannine





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Subject: Re: Strep Throat

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:13:37 -0600

--------

Disenchanted wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any suggestions of herbal remedies? Thanx



Salt gargles, for a start....  [Amazing wonder drug, sodium chloride. 

Throws bacterial cell membranes into osmotic shock and explodes them.]



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Strep Throat

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:00:29 -0900

--------

David Hoffman says osha root works extremely well. He says that holding the root in the mouth and chewing on it can be very beneficial for infections in the throat. It tastes really nasty, though. He also recommends slowly sipping or gargling a tea made of sage. Other internal herbal medications might include echinacea and cleavers, which can be made into a tea or tincture. Teas can be sweetened with honey and tinctures can be added to juice.



Kay



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Subject: Re: Strep Throat

From: "Tom Howe" <wapiti@dmi.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:55:02 -0800

--------

Hi....

What I use for strep throat is Usnea tincture.  I make it myself.  Usnea is

a lichen, sometimes called "old man's beard."  These lichen acids are

effective against gram positive bacteria, such as Streptococcus,

staphylococcus, Mycobacterium tuberculosis.  I got my information on Usnea

from a booklet called "Usnea: The Herbal Antibiotic" by Christopher Hobbs.

The booklet is $3.95 and filled with all kinds of useful information and

descriptions  and pictures of the lichens.

To tincture, I put the usnea in a glass jar and cover with vodka and put in

a dark cupboard for about 3-4 weeks.  I have also simmered it on very low

heat in safflower oil for approximately 2 hours  and I use the usnea oil for

external use on cuts, scrapes, fungal infections.

The tincture I use for sinus infection by adding about 2 dropper fulls to

water and put in old antihistamine nasal sprayer and squirt a small quantity

up the nasal passages several times a day.

I am allergic to Penicillin and a lot of the "mycins" but have had no bad

reaction to the usnea.



The booket states it can be used for:fungal infection, acute bacterial

infection, Lupus erythematosus,trichomonas, mastitis, varicose and trophic

ulcers, athlete's foot, ringworm, urinary tract infection, colds and flu,

bronchitis, pneumonis, tuberculosis, sinus infection.



Disenchanted wrote in message <34760FD1.1316E152@pacbell.net>...

>Does anyone have any suggestions of herbal remedies? Thanx

>









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Subject: Black currant

From: ribes60@aol.com (Ribes60)

Date: 22 Nov 1997 04:06:11 GMT

--------

Can anyone give information on the medicinal use of black currant??



Ed in PA







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Black currant

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:33:22 GMT

--------

On 22 Nov 1997 04:06:11 GMT, ribes60@aol.com (Ribes60) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Can anyone give information on the medicinal use of black currant??



Ribes nigrum has fragrant and very tasty leaves. Don't fall for the olde

Ribes aureum -trick they use in the US. That settled, you can use black

currants thus:



The berry: it's got loads and loads of flavonoids and vitamins; over

here everybody knows that you give hot juice to your kid or spouse when

they have a cold.

Diaphoretic, and tasty.



The leaves: are just -great- as a tasty tea.



Take care

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Black currant

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:18:41 -0500

--------

Ribes60 wrote:

> 

> Can anyone give information on the medicinal use of black currant??

> 

> Ed in PA



Couldn't find anything on black currant, but red currant juice is an

ancient English remedy for sore throat.  Red currant has antiseptic

qualities.



Julie





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Subject: Re: Black Cohash

From: Visual Art Resources <22true@efn.org>

Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:46:40 -0800

--------

I need info on Black Cohash. It has been recommended I give 2

tablespoons daily to my horse who suffers horribly when she is in heat.

Any one know about toxicity, effective dose, recommended uses, etc. Thanks

much.



Dena E. Brown







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: acne marks

From: whiskeybar@hotmail.com

Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:21:09 -0600

--------

Is there ANY herbs or anything that will fade red marks from previous acne

breakouts? THanks!



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Subject: is Aloe Poisonus?

From: dmain@uni.uiuc.edu (Doug Main)

Date: 22 Nov 1997 19:59:06 GMT

--------

I was rubbing the juice from a variety of aloe on my lip, because I had a 

sore there.  It is not the standard kind of Aloe, it is a relative that 

is small and not as spiny.  Later, I felt dizzy and naucious.  Nay help 

on this?

It may have been the flue, but i am wondering of aloe is poisonous.

thanks a lot.

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Subject: Information request of Wholesale herb sellers

From: AL <alv@latinmail.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:41:31 +0100

--------

I want to know serious wholesale medicinal herbs companies, in Europe,

Usa or Asia









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Subject: Re: Information request of Wholesale herb sellers

From: "Virgil H. Huston Jr." <huston@angel-net.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:59:19 -0500

--------

AL wrote:

> 

> I want to know serious wholesale medicinal herbs companies, in Europe,

> Usa or Asia



Frontier CO OP, in Iowa (I think) is probably the best. Don't know if

they have a web site.

-- 

Virgil H. Huston Jr.





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Subject: Re: Information request of Wholesale herb sellers

From: SharonLitton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:43:17 -0600

--------

Frontier Herbs:  http://www.frontierherb.com/homepage.html

     Sharon



Virgil H. Huston Jr. wrote:

> 

> AL wrote:

> >

> > I want to know serious wholesale medicinal herbs companies, in Europe,

> > Usa or Asia

> 

> Frontier CO OP, in Iowa (I think) is probably the best. Don't know if

> they have a web site.

> --

> Virgil H. Huston Jr.



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Subject: Can NOT sleep

From: Leslie <lesliew@interlog.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:03:24 -0800

--------

I have a friend at school that can not sleep and has an adverse reaction

to camomile.  He says that valerian works every once in a while, but can

not use it all the time.  



He doesn't know the proper way to take St John's Wort.  Does anyone have

any suggesions?



Thanks,

Leslie





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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 23 Nov 1997 19:27:15 GMT

--------

Leslie (lesliew@interlog.com) wrote:

:I have a friend at school that can not sleep and has an adverse reaction

:to camomile.  He says that valerian works every once in a while, but can

:not use it all the time.  

:

:He doesn't know the proper way to take St John's Wort.  Does anyone have

:any suggesions?

:

:Thanks,

:Leslie



Valerian one gets used to exremely quickly (a matter of a few days), so I

alternate between kava kava and valerian. Nex



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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: "K. Shelton" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:16:36 -0600

--------

Try a combination of Passionflower, Skullcap, and Hops. Or just

Passionflower.

Also a warm bath with a few drops of Lavender essential oil works wonders.

More info and links to relaxing herbs at http://edge.net/~nature













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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: raven44ddd@aol.com (Raven44DDD)

Date: 25 Nov 1997 01:05:29 GMT

--------

I have found that Kava Kava, laverian, or skull cap help.



  Raven



It is as it should be.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: "Colin Yardley" <cyardley@imag.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:35:22 -0800

--------



K. Shelton wrote in message <347999af.0@199.0.68.3>...

>Try a combination of Passionflower, Skullcap, and Hops. Or just

>Passionflower.

>Also a warm bath with a few drops of Lavender essential oil works wonders.

>More info and links to relaxing herbs at http://edge.net/~nature

>

>We have found the following helpful:

1 tspn of Reishi mushroom powder and 1 tspn vitamin C mixed in warm water.

Reishi has calmative effect on Central Nervous system and the vitamin C

makes it much more bioavailable according to Japanese and Canadian sources

(see Terry Willard Ph.D. "Reishi: herb of Spiritual Potency")  In addition

to this, rubbing the soles of the feet slowly and deeply with a few drops of

Majoram oil mixed into a carrier vegetable oil) brings on a very relaxed

state.  the above note on Passionflower is good - it is a fine calmative

herb as well. In really severe cases of insomnia, do a word search on CES

(Cranio-Electrical Stimulation) and the drug Ambien (trade name Zolpidem)

which some authors recommend because it seems to promote a quite natural

"sleep architecture".  Good luck and peace!

>

>









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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: c.a.sutton@bham.ac.uk (carol sutton)

Date: 24 Nov 1997 11:12:59 GMT

--------

In article <34789A1C.3139@interlog.com>, lesliew@interlog.com wrote:



> I have a friend at school that can not sleep and has an adverse reaction

> to camomile.  He says that valerian works every once in a while, but can

> not use it all the time.  

> 

> He doesn't know the proper way to take St John's Wort.  Does anyone have

> any suggesions?

> 

> Thanks,

> Leslie



Has your friend tried having a warm bath before going to bed with a few

drops of lavender oil in it or even rubbing it on their temples?

Another remedy is to make up a hop pillow (basically a muslin bag filled

with hops and placed inside the pillowcase).



Carol





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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: jyoti@canspam.mango.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 25 Nov 1997 23:55:08 GMT

--------

In article <34789A1C.3139@interlog.com>, lesliew@interlog.com wrote:



> I have a friend at school that can not sleep and has an adverse reaction

> to camomile.  He says that valerian works every once in a while, but can

> not use it all the time.  

> 

> He doesn't know the proper way to take St John's Wort.  Does anyone have

> any suggesions?

> 

> Thanks,

> Leslie



Every night I take the following about an hour before bedtime:



500mg each of chelated calcium and magnesium

400mg reishi mushroom extract

300 mg tryptophan (legal in Japan)

alternately valerian, kava kava, no herb (repeat)

1 mg melatonin

1500mg GABA (chewed)



I also work out 5 mornings a week at my local aikido dojo, take a strong 

multivitamin and eat (like a horse) a high protein diet.  I'm 47, sleep 

like a rock, and wake up ready to go. 



The last two supplements, although they definitely help with sleep, are a 

type of hormone replacement therapy, so your friend might want to find a good 

doctor who knows about them before getting started. Age is the factor. 



If your friend has any other signs of low serotonin levels (depression or other 

mood problems, binge eating, "substance" cravings ...) he/she might want to 

consider St. John's Wort extract.  Together with tryptophan it has worked 

miracles for a couple of close friends of mine, both of whom had trouble 

sleeping.



BTW,  I recently heard that tryptophan is available by prescription in the 

States.  Can anyone varify this?  Also, there is a supplement called 5 

hydroxy trptophan (5-HTP) on the market now that is supposed to be more 

effective than trptophan for the treatment of serotonin related problems 

(ie. sleeplessness, depression etc.)  and should work very well with St. 

John's Wort.  There has been a lot of arguing lately as to its safety at 

high doses, so some caution may be in order.



Good Luck and Sweet Dreams,

Bruce

Sendai, Japan





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Baking with Stevia

From: "Gary Lindgren" <gel@theconnection.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:57:54 -0800

--------

I've harvested my stevia and now I want to do something. How much stevia

should I use to replace 1 cup of sugar in a baking recipe.

Thank you,

Gary Lindgren

gel@theconnection.com









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Subject: Re: Baking with Stevia

From: Daniel and Shawnna <dwonder@concentric.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:55:32 -0800

--------

 I hope this helps. I haven't tried these but I have been studying

stevia, it's uses and history.



Conversion Table

Granulated sugar  stevia leaf powder

1 tsp                     1/8 tsp

1Tblsp                   3/8 tsp

1/4 cup                  1 1/2 tsp

1/2 cup                 1 Tblsp

1 cup                     2 Tblsp

3.75 lbs.                7.2 oz

10 lbs.                    19.2 oz





To make stevia herbal extract



 Cup Stevia Leaf Powder

1 Cup warm water

Let Set 48 Hours

Filter out Stevia Leaf

Add to Liquid Cup Stevia Leaf

Let Set 48 Hours

Filter out Stevia Leaf

Add 1/3 Cup 190 Proof Grain Alcohol







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Subject: Re: Baking with Stevia

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 25 Nov 97 00:52:57 GMT

--------

Gary Lindgren (gel@theconnection.com) said something like....

: I've harvested my stevia and now I want to do something. How much stevia

: should I use to replace 1 cup of sugar in a baking recipe.

: Thank you,





		Bear in mind that you must make up for the lost mass of 

sugar when replacing it with stevia.. 1 cup of sugar replaced with a few 

teaspoons of stevia means you have nearly a cup of lost material in the 

recipe! More flour perhaps, or a mix of flour, wheat germ, soy flour, etc.



								-J-







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Subject: Re: Baking with Stevia

From: "Winnie" <KCHEWH@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 25 Nov 1997 23:51:57 GMT

--------

Hi,this is the equivalant given to me,"following amounts equivilant in

sweetness to 1 cup of sugar,,1/4---1/3 teaspoon of powdered stevia or

3/4teaspoon  of liquid extract ,I have not tried as yet,please let me know

how it works out for.you  ..winnie



Gary Lindgren <gel@theconnection.com> wrote in article

<65aqcc$23e$1@nntp2.ba.best.com>...

> I've harvested my stevia and now I want to do something. How much stevia

> should I use to replace 1 cup of sugar in a baking recipe.

> Thank you,

> Gary Lindgren

> gel@theconnection.com

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Baking with Stevia

From: Daniel and Shawnna <dwonder@concentric.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:14:21 -0800

--------

There's a difference in sweetness between the powdered herb, the white

powder, and the extract. I just thought I'd add that incase you needed

the info.







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Subject: Re: Baking with Stevia

From: Phil <goldpnr23@ibm.ten>

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:02:36 -0700

--------

Does anyone know how stevia is regarding food for diabetics?

TIA

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Subject: research

From: "bradg" <bradg@bngprodx.com>

Date: 24 Nov 97 03:47:39 GMT

--------

who can suggest the most respectable places to  search for authentic

research?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: research

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:35:37 GMT

--------

On 24 Nov 97 03:47:39 GMT, "bradg" <bradg@bngprodx.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>who can suggest the most respectable places to  search for authentic

>research?



Research on what? Medicine? Then your choice is the journal Lancet.

Should be in every university library.



On herbs? You could do worse than subscribe to 'Medical herbalism', or

to 'European Journal of Herbal Medicine' (subscription info on both in

the medicinal herbfaq, part 7 [see my .sig]).



Henriette



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Subject: Re: research

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 23:38:58 GMT

--------

In article <01bcf88c$400dfe20$302b02cf@portable>, "bradg" <bradg@bngprodx.com>

writes:



>who can suggest the most respectable places to  search for authentic

>research?



For historical information on medical herbs, try:

Lloyd Library & Museum

917 Plum Street

Cincinnatti, OH  45202

(513) 721-3707



They're a non-profit association which preserves literature on herbs. Jeanne

Rose donated much of her private collection to them last year.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Mushrooms in folklore

From: Jeremy Shuman <jeremyshu@telis.org>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:29:06 -0800

--------

I realize that this is alt.folklore.herbs, but I am hoping you can help

me. I am looking for folklore regarding mushrooms of all types. Also,

any myths or folk-tales that deal with mushrooms would be greatly

appreciated. Is there another group I should post to? Thanks for your

help.



JS





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Subject: Recommendations for improving sleep?

From: "David Kam" <davidkam@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:22:49 -0600

--------

I'm 34 and have noticed over the past couple years a decrease in the

soundness of my sleep. I wake up often at night and never feel real rested

in the morning. I have a pretty healthy lifestyle, lots of exercise,

vegetarian diet, and I just quit caffeinated drinks. Any suggestions for an

herbal aid for sleep?



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Subject: Tell Me Your Natural Cold Cures (Please)

From: bphelps@inforamp.net (Shawn)

Date: 25 Nov 1997 00:38:50 GMT

--------

I am a journalist based in Toronto, Canada, and I am writing an

article aimed at post-secondary students on how to beat the common

cold with natural remedies. You know how students are: unbalanced

diet, no sleep, extracurricular activities etc. :)  The list I have

currently is echinacea, garlic, golden seal, zinc,  and Vitamin C,

along with red onions and ginger.



I am interested in any first hand stories (preferrably from

students--but if you have a story about something that works for you,

I  would like to hear it regardless).



If you are a doctor or herbalist I would love to hear from you also.

(and if you are in the Toronto, Canada area, even better)



I've completed quite a bit of research on Medline and in the library,

if you know of any studies I might have missed I would really

appreciate hearing about them. :)



The article will be about what these remedies are, what they do, how

much to take, what form to take them in, where to get them and how

much they cost. If you have anything to add on any of these I would

really appreciate it. The story format will (hopefully *g*) be fairly

light and humorous.



Cheers,

Shawn Phelps

Toronto, Canada







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Subject: Re: Tell Me Your Natural Cold Cures (Please)

From: knitthyme@aol.com (Knitthyme)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 21:17:01 GMT

--------

> how to beat the common

>cold with natural remedies



You know the old saying:  Feed a cold, starve a fever. . . or was it the other

way around?  I've found the best solution is to drown 'em both.  Just like the

doctors always told us.  But most people don't do it thoroughly enough.  When I

say drown, I mean like 3 gal of fluid a day.  I dare germs to resist being

washed away by that flood.  





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: WATER BLISTERS

From: raven44ddd@aol.com (Raven44DDD)

Date: 25 Nov 1997 01:08:28 GMT

--------



     What can cause them and how do you get rid of them.  How else besides

apsprin, tylenol, etc can ease the pain.  Thank you.



  Raven



It is as it should be.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: re: natural cures for a common cold

From: "Danie de Waal" <diwali@ncoast.lia.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:07:57 GMT

--------

My grandmother (who never drank alcohol) believed that fresh ginger finely

grated and heated up in brandy is the best cure for a cold. I add a little

sugar for taste. Works excellently since you sweat out all the germs.









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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herpes Herbal treatment

From: "K. Shelton" <nature@edge.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 11:02:53 -0600

--------

There is some evidence that a lemon balm ointment is very helpful in

treatment of Herpes.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,own.health.herbs

Subject: Why Not Plant a Tree?

From: Bryan Ness <botany.guide@miningco.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:32:29 -0800

--------

Read a new article at The Botany Site, "Why Not Plant a Tree?," which

is all about trees, especially ornamentals.  Learn about some of the

benefits of planting trees and learn about which trees are best for

certain desired traits such as fall colors or beautiful flowers.  Links

to many pictures are included.  Read the article by going to the

following URL:



http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa111997.htm



Along with the article is a review of the book "North American Landscape

Trees"

by Arthur Lee Jacobson.  This is an excellent "encyclopedic' guide to

cold hardy trees planted in North America.  In addition to wonderful

descriptions and pictures the book includes a lot of horticultural

history and other miscellaneous facts about many of the trees included. 

To read the review, go to the following URL:



http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa112397.htm



Follow the link at the bottom of this message to see what else is at The

Botany Site.

-- 

______________________________________________________________

Bryan Ness, Botany Guide           http://botany.miningco.com/

botany.guide@miningco.com





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbs for muscle aches assoc. w/fibromyalgia

From: sfletch205@aol.com (Sfletch205)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 03:27:37 GMT

--------

When I'm under stress or haven't had enough sleep I often get tired and achey

muscles in my neck and upper back that last all day.  Has anyone heard of any

herb that can help this condition?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbs for womens Healing

From: sistrum5@aol.com (Sistrum5)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 05:16:09 GMT

--------

Greetings



I am looking for herbs that have ben used traditionally for womens healing.



Thanks





http://members.aol.com/sistrum5









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbs for womens Healing

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:06:10 -0500

--------

Sistrum5 wrote:

> 

> Greetings

> 

> I am looking for herbs that have ben used traditionally for womens healing.

> 

> Thanks

> 

> http://members.aol.com/sistrum5





Raspberry leaves are a traditional "women's herb".  For menstrual

concerns, angelica, basil, dill, elecampane and fennel are all used for

delayed menstruation;cayenne,cinnamon bark,lemon juice, and shepherd's

purse are used for menstruation that is too profuse.  For painful

periods, catnip, chamomile, peppermint and strawberry may be used.



Vitamins and minerals also play a very important role in women's health,

especially with all of the concern regarding menopause, osteoporosis,

etc...  Make sure that you are using supplements that are natural, and

are the most bioavailable (assimilable by your body).  I have

information on liquid calcium, and a colloidal mineral supplement, as

well as natural hormone replacement creams and supplements, like DHEA

and pregnenolone.  Please feel free to contact me for further

information. jmartin@echoweb.net



Julie





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Spelt bread recipies

From: davidw2437@aol.com (DavidW2437)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 21:02:51 GMT

--------

Anyone have a recipie using spelt?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spelt bread recipies

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:50:40 GMT

--------

On 26 Nov 1997 21:02:51 GMT, davidw2437@aol.com (DavidW2437) wrote:



>Anyone have a recipie using spelt?



Since spelt is nothing more than a type of wheat, why wouldn't any wheat

recipe work? I hope you haven't fallen for the marketing differentiation

bullshit that the spelt sellers have been putting out.



Don.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Spelt bread recipies

From: "Carol Wyche" <cjwyche@io.com>

Date: 30 Nov 97 11:31:08 -0600

--------

>On 26 Nov 1997 21:02:51 GMT, davidw2437@aol.com

>(DavidW2437) wrote:



>>Anyone have a recipie using spelt?



My sister is allergic to wheat and bakes her own spelt bread

using a standard bread-making machine and a whole wheat

bread recipe.  She says that the spelt bread makes a heavy

solid loaf comparable to using only whole wheat flour in a

bread recipe.  She has been unable to find a white flour

from spelt although apparently it exists. She uses extra

leavening to help counteract that heaviness.







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Thrush or Candidiasis

From: davidw2437@aol.com (DavidW2437)

Date: 26 Nov 1997 21:03:43 GMT

--------

Any remedies for thrush or candida infections would be appreciated







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Echinacea and pregnancy

From: eutne(!)@online.no (Rose Utne)

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:52:11 GMT

--------

Hi!



I am in the 6th month and now the influenza season starts here i

Norway. For some years I have be taking echinacea and have good

experience with it.



My question is: could taking this be dangerous in my condition?



thanks...

-- 

- Rose <eutne@online.no>, Norway

  http://home.sol.no/~utne/rose





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Echinacea and pregnancy

From: jmtREMOVE@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:20:57 GMT

--------

eutne(!)@online.no (Rose Utne) wrote:



>I am in the 6th month and now the influenza season starts here i

>Norway. For some years I have be taking echinacea and have good

>experience with it. My question is: could taking this be dangerous in my condition?



Not dangerous.



Echinacea can be viewed in two lights: complementary and wholistic.



When used in a complementary manner its purpose is to stimulate the

immune system to clear away pathogenic infections. Used early in a

cold or flu it can nip the problem in the bud, preventing it from

taking a hold of the body, allaying the progression of disease. Such

usage requires that it be discontinued after some weeks and then

restarted again after a week's abstinence. This use is preferred by

those who like to quantify effects of treatments (ie using natural

products allopathically). In other words, echinacea will kill off

everything that it is capable of killing off, its antibiotic effects

will diminish, and then it will seem to become ineffectual. Pausing

its use allows new populations of organisms to develop; reintroduction

allows renewed measurability in terms of antibiotic activity.



In the wholistic model one can think of echinacea as being similar to

garlic. Garlic, too, is antibiotic and will kill off specific

microorganisms. One does not stop taking garlic because the organism

kill-off rate declines. Garlic is continued in the diet because it

nurtures a healthy equilibrium of intestinal microorganisms (the good

stuff remains while bad stuff gets eliminated as it occurs). Although

the NET antimicrobial activity would be quantified at zero the dynamic

effect of garlic on maintaining homeostasis is high. Echinacea is the

same.



Sudden introduction of echinacea (or garlic) could cause diarrhea or

constipation, nervous tension, anxiety, etc depending on the state of

one's bowels. These unlikely effects are temporary and should not be

construed as "side effects" but rather as "centering." Continued and

habitual use would promote a healthier alimentary canal.



Echinacea also has alterative properties which is another way of

saying that it promotes good body function on a broad scale. I believe

it to be especially helpful toward the liver in its myriad of

functions. It should be considered for use with a substance such as

dandelion which is stimulative in a more traditional (tonic) sense.



The fresh root used as a food source is best (ie with meals). As it is

expensive and largely unavailable fresh (it is a perennial and is

easliy grown in a garden from seed), the tincture is used instead.

When used in a complementary manner the ticture is taken many times a

day with little regard to meals. I have no objection to use of the

dried root (in a decoction) when used in a long-term fashion for

health promotion or to treat chronic illness.



Oh, and by the way, drink a cup of raspberry leaf tea everyday. It's

THE herb for pregnancy.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: tinctures

From: lodgepol@bitterroot.net

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:25:15 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of any upcoming seminars (if possible in the West) that

might teach about preparation of herbal tinctures?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: tinctures

From: J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 23:08:02 -0500

--------

lodgepol@bitterroot.net wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of any upcoming seminars (if possible in the West) that

> might teach about preparation of herbal tinctures?





Can't help as far as lecture dates - but if youre into self-education,

please try the local library.  I live in a very small town, yet our

library has wonderful books, old and current, concerning alternative

medicine and natural healing and herbal info.





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Co-Enzime Q-10

From: Tabitha <f64tb5h0NOTTHIS@students.su.se>

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:59:38 +0100

--------

Gigg A Watt wrote:

> 

> I saw the curing abilities of C0-Enzime Q-10 on ABC news

> today....

> 

> What is it?.... where can I get it?....... how is it made?

> 

> Gig



As far as I know Q10 is a kind of vitamin and it improves the 

functioning of your mitochondries (? I only know this term in Swedish). 

These are very small "energy-factories" in your cells. There is all kind 

of research going on suggesting that disfunctional mitocondries are 

reason behind lot's of illnesses. Taking 30 mg of Q10 a day, is supposed 

to improve your general well-being. Since it hightens activity in the 

cells I have heard that it's not very appropriate when you have or have 

had cancer.



As I said, I'm no expert, but I hope this is of some help.

Tabitha









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: What is Co-Enzime Q-10

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:02:58 -0500

--------

Co Q-10 is a vitamin like substance, also known as ubiquinone. Among

other functions, it is necessary for enzyme Q-10 to work properly. 



It is available at most supermarkets (atleast around here) as well as

health food stores. Most Co Q-10 is imported from Japan, and it is

somewhat expensive compared to other vitamins. It has been used for a

variety of conditions, including cancer support, muscular dystrophy,

etc. 



Jonathan Byron





Gigg A Watt wrote:

> 

> I saw the curing abilities of C0-Enzime Q-10 on ABC news

> today....

> 

> What is it?.... where can I get it?....... how is it made?

> 

> Gig





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Sambucus nigra

From: Nollet Tony <nollett.pih@hogeschool-wvl.be>

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:11:04 +0100

--------

Hello,



I am looking for all the information on the Elder tree I can find, be it

botanical, culinary, medicinal, ...



Thanks!



Kristel





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Newsgroups: rec.food.drink.tea,alt.folklore.herbs,sci.med.nutrition,misc.health.alternative

Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really healthy?

From: Danielle Lessard <intert@infobahnos.com>

Date: 28 Nov 97 15:32:20 GMT

--------

Can somebody tell me what are the problems/conditions that are alleviated 

by cider vinegar?



I have heard that the way to take it is first thing in the morning, mixed 

with lukewarm water and honey. Is that right?



Thank you for your input.











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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: is cider vinegar really healthy?

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 97 22:51:24 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 i> Date: 28 Nov 97 15:32:20 GMT

 i> Subject: Re: is cider vinegar really healthy?

 i> From: Danielle Lessard <intert@infobahnos.com>



 i> Can somebody tell me what are the problems/conditions that are

alleviated by

 i> cider vinegar?



As there have been tomes written on this, it is better to be abit more

specific.  Tho there are afew that come, immediately, to mind ...   (My

Mother used it for bursitis, which was taken care of [for *her*] in

short order, she also used it to *not* have to be troubled with

arthritis).  I have shared it's curative powers with many for athlete's

foot infection, toe fungus, dandruff, (as I said, the list is long!  

:)



 i> I have heard that the way to take it is first thing in the morning,

mixed with lukewarm

 i> water and honey.



That *is* how my parents took it, tho it's many uses are not confined

to *only* being used "first thing in the morning...



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: cactus

From: "-*< Yunhe >*-" <abalone@imap3.asu.edu>

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:38:41 -0700

--------



Living here in AZ, there are more cacti than anything, so I was wondering 

if any species of it is of any benefits to our health in anyway? Thanks 

in advance :)



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Subject: Re: cactus

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 28 Nov 1997 13:17:58 -0700

--------

In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.971127213932.25280D-100000-100000-100000@general4.asu.edu>,

-* < Yunhe > wrote:

>

>Living here in AZ, there are more cacti than anything, so I was wondering 

>if any species of it is of any benefits to our health in anyway? Thanks 

>in advance :)

>





Hello. You might try to find a copy of Michael Moore's Medicinal Herbs of

the Desert and Canyon West, which includes several cacti remedies.  I'm

developing a real fascination with them. I have a friend who fries up

prickly pear and eats it, and the fruit of the prickly pear is absolutely

delicious (although it has a lot of tough, weird seeds, a lot like a

pomegranate).  All varieties of this cacti (opuntia) are edible.

According to Michael Moore (who has an herbal training school south of you

in Bisbee), the prickly pear juice is very good for injuries (skin,

bruises, etc).  It can be used in much the same way as aloe.  He also

recommends it as an anti-inflammatory diuretic.  He also says that recent

studies with adult-onset diabetics have shown that prickly pear is useful

for diabetes.  "Clinically verifiable" --lowers blood sugar. Etcetera (he

has a very long passage on opuntia). 





In this book he also includes Ocatillo remedies and agave and yucca and

many other plants found in our Desert Southwest (I live in Albuquerque

myself).  Chaparral, which grows well there in Arizona, is used widely as

a liver metabolism herb, although I've known people who were made rather

ill by taking the herb.





I highly, highly recommend this book for anyone living in the general

area. He's funny, too. Some of the passages are really a riot.





Kristen





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Herbal tonics

From: rquar@aol.com (RQuar)

Date: 28 Nov 1997 19:38:29 GMT

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any body have formulas for herbal tonics?





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Herbal tonics

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 10:10:38 -0900

--------

Yes, but what kind?



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



RQuar wrote in message <19971128193800.OAA12494@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>any body have formulas for herbal tonics?







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: St. John's wort and yohimbe

From: astroman6@aol.com (AstroMan6)

Date: 28 Nov 1997 21:09:10 GMT

--------

I am takinng St John's wort successfully to get better sleep-it apparently

works well to relieve work anxiety-no depression involved.I would really like

to try Yohimbe for a problem of a dangling nature.Can one take these 2 herbs

simultaneously? If not,how long should I be off SJW before trying

yohimbe.Thanking anyone in advance who provides a response-John

U.S.Presidency scandals





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Newsgroups: alt.lucky.w,alt.magick,alt.magick.folk,alt.magick.sex,alt.magic.tyagi,alt.pagan,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.pagan.magick,alt.paranormal.spells.hexes.magic,alt.religion.orisha

Subject: African-American hoodoo magic

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:42:06 -0800

--------

I hope that those who object to long lists of crossposts will indulge me

here -- this is not a commercial announcement, and it is on-topic for

all these groups. 



As many of you know, i am the originator and keeper of the Lucky W

Amulet Archive, an illustrated repository of information on

object-oriented folk magic (magic that utilizes amulets, charms,

talismans, and the like to achieve results). There are well over 100

pages at this site, and as time has gone on, many of those pages have

focussed on African-American hoodoo artifacts -- things like John the

Conqueror roots, herb baths, black cat bones, and mojo hands. What has

been lacking until now has been an overarching page that defines hoodoo

itself and sets forth the workings of this system of magic. 



What has hindered me from writing "the hoodoo page" has been, in part,

the challenge it presented. It could not be a simple "this is hoodoo"

article because, in addition to supplying basic information, there was a

need  



* to definitively counter the popular misconception that hoodoo is

"Voodoo" (the African diaspora Vodoun religion), 



* to dispel currently endemic New Age, neo-pagan, and Wiccan attitudes

that hoodoo magical herb, oil, incense, and powder formulas are "fake"

or "phoney" and do not derive from traditional herb-magic simply because

they have idiosyncratic names like "Essense of Bend-Over," "Hot Foot,"

"Money Stay With Me," and "Steady Work."  



* and at the same time to demonstrate the falsity of the current

academeic belief (e,g, as presented to me in private conversation by Dr.

Roberta Urchuk at the UCLA Center for the Study of Folklore and

Mythology) that hoodoo consists solely of "African survival" customs and

religious fragments, when in fact it is a lively mix of folk magic,

herbalism, and ritual derived from African; Native American; and

European pagan, Christian, and Jewish kabalist sources.   



As my friends in alt.religion,orisha and alt.lucky.w know, i have been

tackling this issue for well over a year now in posts and e-mail. My

Thanksgiving present to myself was to take two days to finally put all

this material -- plus a great deal of new information -- together into

one lengthy essay, illustrate it, and link it to the some 450 references

to hoodoo in the other pages at my site. 



It's done. It's here. It's online at last. I hope you will read it.

Whether you come at "the hoodoo page" from a newsgroup for herbal

folklore, African diaspora religion, paganism, sex magic, ritual magic,

or the sharing of spells and hexes, there will be something of interest

to you, i think. 



Those who know me know that i don't usually brag, and i won't disappoint

you by doing so now -- but -- well, it was a long job of work, and i

sure hope somebody enjoys it! The URL is 

http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html



(Oh, and by the way, the new search engine at the Lucky W Amulet Archive

is a real boon, so if you have any questions about folk magic charms,

give it a try. The old index page is still in place, too, for those who

like to scan lists rather than type in keywords.) 



catherine yronwode



Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html  

Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal remedy for bursitis

From: Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:11:39 -0600

--------

my friend suffers from bursitis - does anyone know any natural remedies

that would help - would apple cider vinegar do any good? please reply to

bettyt@dave-world.net

-- 









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 email address: bettyt@dave-world.net

 homepage:  http://farmwagon.com/psychic/index.html>

 home page at: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~bettyt





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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: herbal remedy for bursitis

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 97 23:11:49 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 bw> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:11:39 -0600

 bw> Subject: herbal remedy for bursitis

 bw> From: Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net>



 bw> my friend suffers from bursitis - does anyone know any natural

remedies that

 bw> would help - would apple cider vinegar do any good?



Yes, Betty.  I have (just *five* minutes ago   :) finished a reply on

this very subject.  My Mom used this for many years... for this very

condition.  It spared her many trips to the doctor, many pains... and

she *never* had to resort to steroids or the like, which is the route

that many of her contemporaries *did* choose to take!



***story***  She and her sister had an attack once, the very same week,

within a day of one another  (this was back in her early days of using

cider vinegar) and her condition improved two days earlier than her

sister's did, *and* she didn't have the discomfort of the shot added to

her already painful shoulder. Her Sis went to the doctor (he gave her

cortisone, then another, several days later...)   Needless to say, that

was the *last* time her Sis chose the shot... and from then on, she

took her daily "vinegar & honey".  <g>  Neither of them suffered from

many more attacks, as their condition improved remarkably.  When either

felt threatened ... they just up-ed their intake...



Like I said in my other post, there has been tomes written on this

subject.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Bat Sheba Newsletter 10

From: bsheba@nucleus.com (Bat Sheba Imports)

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:58:25 GMT

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Issue # 10







.....IN THIS DIGEST.....



Your Basic Survival Kit



Essential oils affect your body, mind and psyche through the sense of

smell.  This is the one of our five senses, which is extremely

underestimated and under-appreciated in this modem day society.



In primeval days it was quite probably our most important sense,

warning us of danger, repelling our predators, (it is said our body

odour was very rancid in these days!) and indicating to us the

freshness of our food.



However, in this commercial and polluted modern world, we have

forgotten that once powerful survival mechanism.



Essential oils work in harmony with this sense and you will find that

after using essential oils in your everyday life, your sense of smell

will become much more acute and it will intuitively be able to tell

you which oil will be the most beneficial for your particular need.



You should take your essential oils with you everywhere.  They can

help you through the day as there is an oil which can be beneficial

for any occasion.  Below are some helpful combinations to help you

survive whatever life throws at you!  But remember, learn to trust

your own nose, as it has, since time began, been telling you what is

right for your survival!







DURING YOUR WORKING DAY

Use in an oil warmer at your workplace.



Motivation Blend

3 drops Basil

2 drops Bergamot

1 drop Peppermint



Productive Blend

4 drops Rosemary

2 drops Lemon

2 drops juniper



Creative Blend

3 drops Bergamot

2 drops Rosemary		

3 drops Orange		



Stimulating

3 drops Basil

3 drops Rosemary

2 drops Lemon



Energizing

3 drops Bergamot

3 drops Lemongrass

1 drop Peppermint



Studying/Concentration

3 drops Geranium

2 drops Rosemary		

3 drops Rosewood		









AFTER A HARD DAYS WORK

This is a wonderful way to relax. Light your oil warmer, enjoy alone

or with friends!



Relax Blend 

1 drop Ylang Ylang

4 drops Orange

2 drops Geranium



Romance Blend 

3 drops Sandalwood

2 drops Patchouli

1 drop Ylang Ylang



Dinner Party Blend

2 drops Clary Sage

1 drop Peppermint

3 drops Lavender







Here's a therapeutic blend JUST FOR WOMEN especially during that time

just prior to menstruation, when many women feel tense and irritable.



3 drops Clary Sage

1 drop Ylang Ylang

2 drops Cypress



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Subject: chat

From: "Kenneth A. Morrison" <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:48:40 -0500

--------

I am looking for a good 24-hr chat where I can go to exchange info on

herbs, healing, naturopathy, ethnobotany, any such topics as that.

Please let me know A.S.A.P. So I can make myself at home there.  Thank

you.



~ Nora







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Subject: need help

From: "Tiffany R. Hess" <pinkie@udel.edu>

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:39:59 -0500

--------

My mother is very ill with a very bad urinary tract infection. I was 

wondering if there were any herbs or herbal teas that might help her.

Thank you.

Tiffany





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Subject: Re: need help

From: edricoh@aol.com (Edricoh)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 00:50:31 GMT

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>My mother is very ill with a very bad urinary tract infection. I was 

>wondering if there were any herbs or herbal teas that might help her.

>Thank you.

>Tiffany



Cranberry Juice is recommended for urinary tract infections.



Ed





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Subject: Re: need help

From: kristend@unm.edu (kristen marie davenport)

Date: 29 Nov 1997 20:55:17 -0700

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In article <19971130005000.TAA29673@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

Edricoh <edricoh@aol.com> wrote:

>>My mother is very ill with a very bad urinary tract infection. I was 

>>wondering if there were any herbs or herbal teas that might help her.

>>Thank you.

>>Tiffany

>

>Cranberry Juice is recommended for urinary tract infections.

>

>Ed





Yes, but *pure* cranberry, which tastes nasty, not the nice sugary juice.





Kris





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Subject: need help

From: wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 97 13:09:54 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 p> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:39:59 -0500

 p> Subject: need help

 p> From: "Tiffany R. Hess" <pinkie@udel.edu>



 p> My mother is very ill with a very bad urinary tract

infection. I was wondering if there

 p> were any herbs or herbal teas that might help her.



I use Uva ursi and it helps me in short order (along with

Goldenseal/Echinacea [extract].  There are others, however, that

may be better for her.



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Quaw Bark: What Plant?

From: edricoh@aol.com (Edricoh)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 00:53:24 GMT

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Can anyone tell me what plant quaw bark comes from? I can't find it listed in

any of my herb books. The only place I've seen it mentioned is in a Hannah

Kroeger herbal formula. Thanks for any information you can give.



Ed





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Subject: Strengthening veins for intravenous medical treatment

From: amy1088@aol.com (Amy1088)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 01:43:05 GMT

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Hi, all--



A friend of mine must start on an extended intravenous medical treatment, blood

drawing, etc.There's going to be a lot of trauma for the veins and a lot of

vein puncturing. I'm not sure where we heard this but there are certain

vitamins, herbs or supplements that are very good for strengthening the blood

vessels in terms of elasticity. Can anyone tell me what's the best thing for a

person who has varicose veins and is going to be taking a lot of intravenous

medical treatment? Or anything else to do to strengthen the veins?



Thanks very much. Please email me.



Amy





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Subject: Raising hemoglobin levels

From: amy1088@aol.com (Amy1088)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 01:53:17 GMT

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Hi, all--



What would a person take to raise their hemoglobin levels? What kind of

supplements, herbs, foods, or...?



Thanks very much. Please email me. 



Amy





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Subject: scents to stimulate writers/composers?

From: "Michael e" <mikimantle@email.msn.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:06:04 -0500

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Any suggestions from you folks into aromatherapy about which oils would be

best for stimulating creativity and mental realaxation?  Any  particular

combinations worth trying?  Thanks for your help.  Please email replies



a fledgling writer



Mike E. from NY

mikimantle@msn.com













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Subject: laetrelle

From: hapkidon@aol.com (HapkiDon)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 02:27:59 GMT

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I'm looking for laetrelle , I heard it was a homeopathic remedy for cancer , I

can't find it anywhere 





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Subject: Re: laetrelle

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:48:08 -0600

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Distant bells from years ago ringing...  isn't this the compound that was 

extracted from the pits of apricots, and unattainable in the USA?  

Roughly 15 years ago, cancer patients were going south of the border to 

get this.  I haven't heard anything since.



Gale



On 30 Nov 1997, HapkiDon wrote:



> I'm looking for laetrelle , I heard it was a homeopathic remedy for cancer , I

> can't find it anywhere 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: laetrelle

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:23:00 GMT

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On 30 Nov 1997 02:27:59 GMT, hapkidon@aol.com (HapkiDon) wrote:



>I'm looking for laetrelle , I heard it was a homeopathic remedy for cancer , I

>can't find it anywhere 



Laetrile is vitamin B17. It is found in apricot stones and some apple

pips in very small amounts. I don't think it has ever been accepted as

a cancer treatment because it is a potentially toxic compound that

contains cyanide. At homeopathic strengths it is not likely to be

toxic.

--

Steve

-----------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk

  Author of NeuroDiet - neural network diet planner





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Subject: DHEA  VS. Wild Mexican Yam

From: HepCat57@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:41:20 -0800

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Is Wild Mexican Yam just as good as DHEA pills? If so, I'd rather go

with WMY(diosores composita).





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Subject: INFO REQUIRED: Chinese Herbs

From: "Spot the Dog" <spot@the-kennel.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:26:55 GMT

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Are there any Chinese medicinal herbs which cause the blood to thin?  And

could you just send me the names of some Chinese herbs, whether they have

that affect or not, as I am in the process of writing a book and this could

be quite an important part...



Thanks,



Jonathan 

jt@the-kennel.demon.co.uk







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Subject: endometriosis

From: sysop@thorny.ml.org (Thorny)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:15:33 CST

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Do any of the experts in here have any herbal remedies/treatments for

endometriosis/pelvic inflammatory disease?  I thought I once heard that

bromelain had some efficacy, but I can't seem to verify that in my latest

research on the Internet.



As I don't monitor this newsgroup regularly... but I'll try to for the next

few days... please copy your posted reply to "thorny@thorny.ml.org"



Thanks in advance for your help/advice <god I love slashes>.  :)





          Thorny

          thorny@thorny.ml.org



Posted at:  Thorny's BBS, Lawrence, Kansas USA    telnet://thorny.ml.org

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Memory dump:  Amnesia...







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Subject: glucosamine

From: da237@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (J. Maillard)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 18:13:20 GMT

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anyone know the differences between the different glucosamine drugs?



j



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Subject: Re: Do you suffer from poor digestion...

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:22:42 GMT

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In article <3481BEF0.6B45@toolcity.net>,

Kristin Grabinski  <cellebr8@toolcity.net> wrote:

>functioning intestinal tract improves overall health and energy. You'll

>experience a definite change withing the first 7 days of taking Cell

>Tech's Super Blue Greenr Algae... you'll feel great!" Kristin Grabinski,



Yeah, but where does this "energy" come from?

Here's a file of information I've collected

from the scientific and medical literature

which seems to point toward an answer.



AN ANATOXIN-A PRIMER

Copyright Mark Thorson 1995, 1996, 1997



Super Blue Green (registered trademark, Cell Tech brand)

algae is the species known as _Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_.



The remainder of this file is divided into five parts:



I.    What do people say about Super Blue Green Algae?

II.   What is anatoxin-a?

III.  Where does anatoxin-a come from?

IV.   What does anatoxin-a do?

V.    How can algae users protect against anatoxin-a?



PART I.  What do people say about Super Blue Green Algae?



Here's a few quotes collected from both Cell Tech

promotional literature and the FDA file on Cell Tech.

There's remarkable agreement between these two sources

on the effects of the algae.  Capitalization added.



Quoting from _Personal_Experiences_with_Super_Blue_

_Green_Algae_ (Cell Tech promotional literature):



"On my initial consumption I felt better than ever,

having incredible energy and elation.  The excitement

of it KEPT ME UP MOST OF THE NIGHT, yet that day

at work I was without fatigue." -- C.H.



"Since I've been taking Super Blue Green Algae

I experience very little jet-lag, sleep well, feel

more alert than exhausted on a long flight.  Fellow

flight attendants are ASTOUNDED WITH MY ENERGY LEVEL!"

-- L.L.D.



"When he was in the eighth grade, we decided to give him

the Super Blue Green Algae.  And we didn't tell anyone,

because we didn't want there to be any bias.  He took

about six capsules, three Omega Sun and three Alpha Sun."



"At the end of two weeks three teachers called me and

asked me, 'What are you doing different, Mrs. D?

Is Ricky BACK ON A DRUG or something?'  They said his

work had dramatically improved.  His attention span

was better, his concentration had increased, he was

responding and his school work was getting done and it

was accurate." -- Mrs. D.



"We have begun to suggest Super Blue Green Algae to

clients WITHDRAWING FROM COCAINE, with excellent results.

It helps them through the depression and cravings

connected with KICKING COCAINE." -- Robert Marrone, PhD,

Sierra Center for the Healing Arts, Nevada City, CA.



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, October 31, 1995, filed by Lina Cicchetto,

Consumer Complaint Coordinator:



"Product was supposed to be used in this manner:  for

the first week take digestive enzymes with spectrabiotics

capsule 2 a day increasing weekly.  For energy, after

a week add to the initial capsules one capsule of the

'Blue Green Algae' capsule."



"She [the complainant] did this for a week then she added

the algae, the first day she felt very energized, but did

not sleep, next day she was so wired she COULD NOT SLEEP

FOR A WEEK."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, October 6, 1995, filed by Karen L. Robles,

Consumer Safety Officer:



"Complainant began taking blue-green algae product and

after 10 months felt no benefits.  She stopped taking

the product and has had an ENERGY IMBALANCE since that

time.  She has been suffering WITHDRAWL and energy

imbalance."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Follow-Up

Report on Cell Tech, November 24, 1995, filed by Susan R.

Nelson, Supervisory Consumer Safety Officer:



"She [the complainant] stated she did not feel the

benefits and quit taking the product (she was still taking

the ------).  She immediately had an ENERGY CRASH and had

to stay in bed for a week, she couldn't get out of bed.

---------- stated she felt the algae had an ADDICTIVE

effect on her and she has not felt the same since she quit

the product."



Quoting from the official FDA Complaint/Injury Report

on Cell Tech, April 4, 1995, filed by Cecilia Wolyniak,

Division of Emergency and Enforcement Operations [quoting

a complainant]:



"I believe Cell Tech's algae is a POWERFUL DRUG which

must be regulated by the FDA.  Further, the Oregon

Department of Agriculture has cited Cell Tech for rat

droppings in the storage areas and for a substantial

number of insect parts in the product.  It is difficult

to believe that the FDA would permit a company like Cell

Tech to sell what I believe to be a POTENT DRUG, under the

guise of the label of 'food supplements,' under DSHEA of

1994 without oversight, monitoring, control and mandated

safety testing.  Simple logic would dictate that in

addition to efficacy safety testing, the FDA would not

permit a Merck, Squibb or a Genentech to allow insect

particles in their products sanctioned by the FDA or

permit rat droppings in their product storage areas."



PART II.  What is anatoxin-a?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 17, "Pharmacology of

Anatoxin-a, Produced by the Freshwater Cyanophyte

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_ NRC-44-1", by Carmichael, Biggs, and

Peterson, 1979, page 229:



"Anatoxin-a (formerly called very fast death factor) is

the term being used for the potent alkaloid neurotoxin

produced by the freshwater cyanophyte _Anabaena_flos-

aquae_ (Lyngb.) de Bre'b. clone number NRC-44-1."



"Its pharmacological properties have been investigated and

compared with that of a synthetic anatoxin-a which was

derived from L-cocaine."



"Anatoxin-a is a potent depolarizing neuromuscular

blocking agent possessing both muscarinic and nicotinic

activity."



Quoting from page 236:



"Structurally, anatoxin-a does not resemble decamethonium

but instead is similar to the tropane alkaloids,

specifically cocaine."



Quoting from _Molecular_Pharmacology_, volume 18,

"Anatoxin-a:  A Novel, Potent Agonist at the Nicotinic

Receptor", by Spivak, Witkop, and Albuquerque, 1980, page

391:



"The potencies of six nicotinic agonists are compared

(Table 2) for their ability to depolarize the frog's

sartorius muscle by 10 mV.  Interpolations from data

published by other authors are cited to show that

_anatoxin-a_is_the_most_potent_of_these_six_agonists_."



[Italics in the original.]



[An agonist is a molecule that binds to the same receptor.

Agonists activate the receptor, while antagonists are non-

activating and block the binding of the normal activating

molecule, hence inhibit the action of the receptor.]



Quoting from _The_Journal_of_Pharmacology_and_

_Experimental_Therapeutics_, volume 259, number 1,

"Nicotinic Pharmacology of Anatoxin Analogs.  I.  Side

Chain Structure-Activity Relationships at Peripheral

Agonist and Noncompetitive Antagonist Sites", by Swanson,

Aronstam, Wonnacott, Rapoport, and Albuquerque, 1991, page

378:



"Anatoxin-a analogs with 12 different modifications of the

'acetyl' side chain moiety or a site directly influencing

the conformation of this moiety were synthesized and

evaluated pharmacologically.  Fortunately, this

extraordinary toxin has a semi-rigid homotropane skeletal

structure that restricts the number of stable

conformations."



Quoting from page 383:



"Several modifications of the side chain in anatoxin-a

significantly changed the agonistic properties of the

neurotoxins at the acetylcholinesterase receptor.  No

analog thus far tested _in_vitro_ was as potent as the

parent compound anatoxin-a."



Quoting from _The_Journal_of_Pharmacology_and_

_Experimental_Therapeutics_, volume 259, number 1,

"Nicotinic Pharmacology of Anatoxin Analogs.  II.  Side

Chain Structure-Activity Relationships at Neuronal

Nicotinic Ligand Binding Sites", by Wonnacott, Jackman,

Swanson, Rapoport, and Albuquerque, 1991, pages 390-391:



"Such analysis assumes greater urgency with the

realization that brain acetylcholinesterase receptors

identified by high-affinity tritiated agonist binding are

decreased in Alzheimer's disease (see Kellar and

Wonnacott, 1990), and that nicotine treatment has given an

encouraging result with respect to cognitive performance

in Alzheimer patients (Sahakian _et_al_, 1989, 1990). 

Thus, centrally acting nicotinic agents could have an

important therapeutic future in the symptomatic treatment

of Alzheimer's disease (see Kellar and Wonnacott, 1990). 

Anatoxin-a is a useful core structure for such drug design

because, as a secondary amine, it readily crosses the

blood brain barrier."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Neurochemistry_, volume 60,

number 6, "(+)-Anatoxin-a Is a Potent Agonist at Neuronal

Nicotinic Acetylcholine Receptors", by Thomas, Stephens,

Wilkie, Amar, Lunt, Whiting, Gallagher, Pereira, Alkondon,

Albuquerque, and Wonnacott, 1993, page 2308:



"In these diverse preparations, (+)-anatoxin-a was between

three and 50 times more potent than (-)-nicotine and 

about 20 times more potent than acetylcholine, making it

the most efficacious nicotinic agonist thus far

described."



And a surprise quote from page 2310:



"These studies were supported by grants from the R. J.

Reynolds Tobacco Co.  . . ."



PART III.  Where does anatoxin-a come from?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 17, "Pharmacology of

Anatoxin-a, Produced by the Freshwater Cyanophyte

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_ NRC-44-1", by Carmichael, Biggs, and

Peterson, 1979, page 229:



"Toxic strains of freshwater cyanophytes have been

implicated in animal poisonings for many years. 

_Anabaena_flos-aquae_, _Microcystis_aeruginosa_, and

_Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_ are the most common species

responsible with the most recent reviews on the subject

written by Moore (1977) and Gentile (1971)."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Applied_Phycology_, volume 5,

number 6, "Anatoxin-a concentration in _Anabaena_ and

_Aphanizomenon_ under different environmental conditions

and comparison of growth by toxic and non-toxic _Anabaena_

strains: a laboratory study.", by Rapala, Sivonen,

Luukkainen, and Niemela, 1993, page 581:



"Anatoxin-a-concentration in cells of _Anabaena_ and

_Aphanizomenon_-strains and in their growth media were

studied in the laboratory in batch cultures at different

temperatures, light fluxes, orthophosphate and nitrate

concentrations and with different nitrogen sources for

growth."



"The amount of toxin in the cells of the toxic strains was

high, often exceeding 1% of their dry weight."



"The highest light flux studied did not limit the growth

or decrease the level of the toxin in the cells of

_Aphanizomenon_."



PART IV.  What does anatoxin-a do?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 30, number 8, "Cardio-

Respiratory Changes and Mortality in the Conscious Rat

Induced by (+)- and (+/-)-Anatoxin-a", by Adeyemo and

Sire'n, 1992, page 904:



"Since adequate delivery of oxygen to the brain is of

prime importance for central nervous system function, the

observation that anatoxin-a-induced hypoxia was

accompanied by severe and sometimes fatal acidosis

suggests that brain hypoxia at the cellular level may

result in the accumulation of lactate via anaerobic

glycolysis producing acid-base stress, probable loss of

reducing equivalents, and rapid depletion of high-energy

phosphate compounds produced through oxidative

phosphorylation."



Quoting from _Neuropharmacology_, volume 31, number 3,

"Behavioural Effects of Anatoxin, a Potent Nicotinic

Agonist, in Rats", by Stolerman, Albuquerque, and Garcha,

1992, page 314:



"Anatoxin differed from (-)-nicotine because it did not

increase locomotor activity in rats made tolerant to the

depressant effect of (-)-nicotine.  It was unclear whether

the tolerant rats were cross-tolerant to the locomotor

depressant effect of (+)-anatoxin;  the doses of (+)-

anatoxin needed to decrease locomotor activity were larger

in nicotine-tolerant than non-tolerant rats, but the basal

level of activity was also lower.  The partial, nicotine-

like discriminative effect of (+)-anatoxin was notable

because non-nicotinic drugs rarely mimic the

discriminative effect of nicotine that is of central

origin (Stolerman _et_al_, 1984)."



Quoting from _Journal_of_Analytical_Toxicology_, volume

12, "Analysis of Anatoxin-a by GC/ECD", by Stevens and

Krieger, 1988, page 126:



"At present, the general method employed for the detection

of anatoxin-a is a mouse bioassay.  After lysis of

cyanobacterial cells, up to 1 mL of sample water is

injected i.p. into a mouse.  Presence of anatoxin-a is

inferred if the mouse expires within 10 minutes from

respiratory arrest following violent convulsions.  With a

detection limit of about 5 micrograms toxin/20 gram mouse,

the need for a sensitive, chemical analysis exists.  The

bioassay is inadequate for monitoring sublethal levels of

anatoxin-a, . . ."



PART V.  How can algae users protect against anatoxin-a?



Quoting from _Journal_of_Analytical_Toxicology_, volume

12, "Analysis of Anatoxin-a by GC/ECD", by Stevens and

Krieger, 1988, page 126:



"Two methods for the detection of anatoxin-a in toxic

samples have appeared in the literature--HPLC and GC/MS.

Both methods involve cumbersome sample handling,

and neither method is designed for trace quantitation of

anatoxin-a on a routine basis.  The HPLC method used UV

detection, required a sample size of 100 mL, and employed

2 liquid-liquid extractions."



"Due to the low molar absorptivity of its alpha-beta

unsaturated ketone, approximately 8500, the HPLC method

lacks sufficient sensitivity necessary for trace anatoxin-a

detection."



"Presently, a mouse bioassay is the general procedure used

for testing the toxicity of a bloom--approximately 5

micrograms/ml anatoxin-a sensitivity.  A method that is

over three orders of magnitude more sensitive than that

bioassay is described here.  It is readily capable of

detecting and quantitating sublethal levels of anatoxin-a."



Note that in the postings from Cell Tech in response

to my files, they cite several specific tests they do

on their algae.  They perform the test for paralytic

shellfish toxins, which happen to be toxins that

_Aphanizomenon_ can also produce.  They test for

microcystins, which are toxins that a contaminating algae

in Klamath Lake is known to produce.  They test for

anatoxin-a(s), which is a different molecule from

anatoxin-a that has a similar name, because both were

originally discovered in an algae called _Anabaena_.

To my knowledge, nobody has ever found anatoxin-a(s)

in _Aphanizomenon_.  But they do not routinely test

for anatoxin-a with the Stevens and Krieger protocol.

They claim to use the bioassay and HPLC methods to detect

anatoxin-a, but as the quotes above indicate, these methods

are inadequate for detecting sublethal (but possibly psycho-

active) levels of anatoxin-a.  It seems to me like their testing

program was delibrately designed to test for every possible

toxin except one:  anatoxin-a.  Could it be that taking the

anatoxin-a out of the algae would be like taking the nicotine

out of tobacco?



They say they've had some tests performed using the Stevens

and Krieger protocol, but they do not say when these tests were

performed, on how many batches, who performed the tests,

nor have they released the lab reports.



I've heard rumors Cell Tech had some typical manufacturing

batches of the algae tested using that test.  I've heard these

rumors for over half a year, and I've been wondering why

they didn't make the test results public.  Could it be that they

actually found some level of anatoxin-a?



I'd certainly be the first to say that the Stevens and Krieger

test can detect levels of anatoxin-a that are below those

which could harm anybody or have a pharmacological effect.

So just finding some level is not proof that anatoxin-a is

responsible for the feelings of "energy" reported by SBGA

users.  But if they found _zero_ anatoxin-a, why did they not

report that data when they first obtained it?  And if the level

is not zero, then just exactly what is it?



What level is below the level which would be psychoactive?

I can't cite any firm numbers for this, but the potency of

anatoxin-a has been compared against nicotine.  Anatoxin-a

is reported to be up to 50 times more powerful than nicotine.

One Carlton cigarette (one of the weakest cigarettes you can

buy) delivers about 100 micrograms of nicotine, according to

the label on the package.  I would say that if one gram dry weight

of the algae contains less than 2 micrograms of anatoxin-a, then

anatoxin-a might not be responsible for the "energy" reported by

SBGA users.



2 micrograms is 2000 nanograms.  If the level is a factor

of ten below that, i.e. 200 nanograms, then I would say the

"energy" probably does not come from anatoxin-a.  Note that

the Stevens and Krieger test has a detection threshold around

5 nanograms, so it's way more sensitive than it needs to be

to find these levels.



I'll offer the following deal.  If the tests were performed

by a reputable lab (rumor has it that Carmichael did the

tests -- can't get more reputable than that!), and if Cell Tech

makes the lab reports on these tests available, and if the levels

are below 200 nanograms/gram dry weight, I'll stop posting

THE ANATOXIN-A PRIMER.  Doesn't that sound like a great deal?

Every SBGA distributor should get on the phone to their upline

asking Cell Tech to do this!











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Subject: Re: Do you suffer from poor digestion...

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:25:50 GMT

--------

In article <3481BEF0.6B45@toolcity.net>,

Kristin Grabinski  <cellebr8@toolcity.net> wrote:

>Do you suffer from poor digestion and elimination, fatigue, stiff

>joints, mood swings or poor skin?



But do any of these complaints justifies taking

a product that the manufacturer acknowledges

contains potent cancer tumor promoters?  Cell Tech

doesn't deny there's microcystins in the algae.

They have even disclosed the high levels present

in some batches of the product they ship.  Here's

a file of information about that subject.



THE MICROCYSTINS MEMORANDUM

Copyright 1997 Mark Thorson



Super Blue Green (registered trademark, Cell Tech brand)

algae is the species known as _Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_.



The remainder of this file is divided into five parts:



I.    What are microcystins?

II.   Where do microcystins come from?

III.  What do microcystins do?

IV.   Is any level of microcystins safe?

V.    How can algae users protect against microcystins?



PART I.  What are microcystins?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 32, number 12, "Use of

a Colorimetric Protein Phosphatase Inhibition Assay and

Enzyme Linked Immunosorbent Assay for the Study of

Microcystins and Nodularins.", by An and Carmichael,

1994, pages 1495 and 1496:



"Microcystins are monocyclic heptapeptide liver toxins

produced by species of cyanobacteria within the genera

_Microcystis_, _Anabaena_, _Oscillatoria_, and _Nostoc_

(Carmichael, 1992).  The toxins contain two variable

L-amino acids plus three D-amino acids plus the unusual

amino acids, N-methyldehydroalanine and 3-amino-9-methoxy-

10-phenyl-2,6,8-trimethyl-deca-4(E)6(E)-dienoic acid

(Adda) (Reinhart _et_al_, 1988)."



[A peptide is a small protein.  A heptapeptide is a

protein composed of seven amino acids.  Monocyclic means

it's a one-ring loop.  A microcystin is a seven-member

ring of amino acids, containing three D-amino acids and

two weird amino acids, neither kind normally being found

in human food.  Amino acids can have two mirror-image

forms, called D and L.  All amino acids used to build

proteins in the human body are L-amino acids, except

glycine which is reflection-symmetric (i.e. neither

D nor L).  D-amino acids are nutritionally inert, and

they may contribute towards the ability of microcystins

to survive the digestive process intact and get absorbed.]



Quoting from page 1497:



"Recently, both microcystin and nodularin have been found

to be potent inhibitors of protein phosphatase types 1 and

2A (Yoshizawa _et_al_, 1990) as well as tumor promoters

in laboratory animals (Nishiwaka-Matsushima _et_al_,

1992b;  Falconer, 1991).  They are also suspected to be

involved with promotion of primary liver cancer in humans

exposed to long-term low doses of these cyclic peptide

toxins through drinking water (Carmichael, 1994;

Yu, 1989)."



PART II.  Where do microcystins come from?



Quoting from "A Cell Tech Statement Regarding

_Microcystis_ in Klamath and Agency Lakes", Cell Tech

press release, September 1996:



"Cell Tech also closely monitors algal blooms in Klamath

and Agency Lakes by regularly performing species

identification and quantification."



"Our test results indicate that there is currently a high

level of _Microcystis_aeruginosa_ in certain parts of the

lake, particularly Agency Lake."



[Cell Tech claims their standard is no more than 1%

non-_Aphanizomenon_ species in SBGA.]



Quoting from "A Message from Christian Drapeau", a file

posted by Jim Fentress (jim@frii.com) on April 8, 1996,:

 

"Microcystins are regularly found, but only in non-

significant amounts (specifically, 0.1-0.2 mcg/g of

SBGA)."



Quoting from a posting made on May 25, 1997,

<19970525172900.NAA00137@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

from Bluuegreen <bluuegreen@aol.com>:



From Wright State University, Dept. of Bio. Sciences,

10/28/96.

(513-873-2655 FAX: 513-873-3320)

ELISA assay for ... microcystins:

Measurable levels of microsystin or nodularin were found

in samples QA-9638 - QA-9643 (ug/g):

638    1.1

639    0.4

640     1.3

641     1.0

642     1.7

643     0.7



[Note that these numbers are about ten times higher

than those admitted in the previous quote.]



Quoting from "Response to Vegetarian Times", a letter from

Marta Kollman, October 31, 1996, available on Cell Tech's

fax-on-demand service (800/565-5092) as document #151:

 

"We know from rigorous testing over the years that

_Microcystis_ has always existed in Klamath Lake at very

low levels."



[But how low is low enough?  Read on!]

 

PART III.  What do microcystins do?



Quoting from _Journal_of_Cancer_Research_and_Clinical_

_Oncology_, volume 118, "Liver Tumor Promotion by the

Cyanobacterial Peptide Toxin Microcystin-LR", by

Nishiwaki-Matsushima, Ohta, Nishiwaki, Suganuma, Kohyama,

Ishikawa, Carmichael, and Fujiki, 1992, page 421:



"In two experiments, we found that microcystin-LR has

a potent tumor-promoting activity in rat liver initiated

with diethylnitrosamine (DEN) below the concentrations

that do not release aminotransferase (transaminase)

from the liver into the blood serum.  Microcystin acts

on the liver through the okadaic acid pathway and is one

of the strongest liver tumor promoters found to date."



[DEN is a carcinogen used to seed cancer foci in the

experimental animals.  Once seeded, the experiment

measured the promotion of these cancer foci by various

suspected tumor promoters.  Release of aminotransferase

into the blood would be a sign of an acutely hepatotoxic

reaction, which microcystins may cause.  This set of

experiments found potent liver tumor promotion at levels

below those which are acutely or sub-acutely toxic

to the liver, as indicated by the lack of release of

aminotransferase.]



Quoting from page 423:



"The mechanism of action of microcystin in liver cells

is similar to that of okadaic acid, and therefore most

likely expressed through the okadaic pathway.  We have

found that the okadaic pathway, involving inhibition of

protein phosphatase 1 and 2A activities, is a general

mechanism of tumor promotion in various organs."



[Inhibition of PP1 and PP2A ain't good!]



PART IV.  Is any level of microcystins safe?



Quoting from _Biochemical_Journal_, volume 306,

"Inhibition of Specific Binding of Okadaic Acid to

Protein Phosphatase 2A by Microcystin-LR, Calyculin-A and

Tautomycin:  Method of Analysis of Interactions of

Tight-Binding Ligands with Target Protein", by Takai,

Sakai, Nagai, Mieskes, Isobe, Isono, and Yasumoto, 1995,

page 662:



"Of the protein phosphatase inhibitors examined,

microcystin-LR exhibited the highest affinity to PP2A."



"Of the inhibitors examined, it was also microcystin-LR

that exhibited the highest affinity for PP1."



[A tight-binding ligand is a molecule that holds on

to a binding site of an enzyme so strongly it seldom

lets go.  In this paper, the rate constants for binding

of toxins to PP2A were about 10 to 100 billion times

greater than their dissociation constants.]



[That's a big difference in favor of binding!  For all

practical purposes, binding is irreversible.  Even at low

levels of exposure, the PP1 and PP2A enzymes suck up the

toxin and keep it.  Can any long-term exposure be safe,

if liver enzymes are accumulating the toxin?]



Quoting from _Biochemical_and_Biophysical_Research_

_Communications_, volume 216, number 1, "_In_Vivo_ and

_in_Vitro_ Binding of Microcystin to Protein Phosphatases

1 and 2A", by Runnegar, Berndt, Kong, Lee, and Zhang,

1995, page 162:



"Microcystins are normally cell impermeant, but they

accumulate in the liver by specific carrier-mediated

transport in hepatocytes which results in PP inhibition

and toxicity."



[Hepatocytes are liver cells.  Microcystins accumulate

in liver cells.]



Quoting from pages 167 and 168:



"We have shown that microcystin, a potent and specific

inhibitor of PP1 and PP2A activity, is covalently bound

to both PP1 and PP2A catalytic subunits in hepatocytes

incubated with the toxin."



[This paper explains why the binding of microcystins to

liver enzymes is virtually irreversible.  Most molecules

bind to enzymes because of close fit.  The enzyme will

have a pocket shaped like the molecule, and the molecule

will fit into that pocket like a key fitting into a lock.

Microcystins are unusual in that they form covalent bonds

to their binding sites on liver enzymes.  This is like a

key which not only fits the lock, but also proceeds to

weld itself to the lock.]



PART V.  How can algae users protect against microcystins?



Cell Tech claims to use sophisticated biochemical tests

that can monitor the level of microcystins in the algae

harvested from Klamath Lake.  Cell Tech says every batch

is tested to ensure it is "below guideline levels" of

microcystins.  But to my knowledge, Cell Tech has never

stated publicly what these levels are.  They're not zero,

obviously, or Cell Tech would say they're zero.  And how

did Cell Tech establish these guideline levels?  What

literature can Cell Tech cite that says these levels

are safe?



SBGA users who are concerned about the possibility of

exposure to microcystins should ask their upline these

questions.









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Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs,alt.support.crohns-colitis

Subject: Re: Do you suffer from poor digestion...

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:28:21 GMT

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In article <3481BEF0.6B45@toolcity.net>,

Kristin Grabinski  <cellebr8@toolcity.net> wrote:

>intestinal health. This organic, natural program plays a key role in

>helping your body get the most out of everything you eat by keeping your

>intestines healthy. Cell Tech's program is uniquely designed to help you

>process your food quickly and help your body eliminate waste. A properly



Yeah, but are the vitamin B-12 analogs in the algae

safe to eat?  Here's some information about vitamin B-12

analogs.



VICTOR HERBERT MD ON BLUE-GREEN ALGAE

Copyright 1996 Mark Thorson



[An analog (or "analogue") is a molecule that is a

modified form of another molecule.  For example,

heroin and codeine are analogs of morphine.  There

are analogs of vitamin B-12 which do not contribute

toward nutritional vitamin B-12 activity.]



Quoting in whole an April 26, 1995 letter to Sharon

Gordon, Consumer Complaint Coordinator, FDA (Philadelphia

District) from Victor Herbert MD, a leading scientist

on vitamins and nutritional diseases (and also author

of additional quotes which follow on non-nutritional

analogs of vitamin B-12):



"Dear Ms. Gordon:"



"I received a copy of the April 18 letter to you from

attorney ---------------- on the above subject.  This is

to advise both you and him that many algae products are

falsely represented as containing vitamin B-12.  As we

published a decade ago in _The_New_England_Journal_of_

_Medicine_, they contain only analogs of B-12, and no

human-active B-12."



"Analogs of B-12 are worthless, and possibly harmful,

to humans.  One of the harms they may produce, in patients

with negative B-12 balance (which is very possible in

------------, a Type I diabetic, age --), is to accelerate

the development of B12-deficiency neuropathy in feet,

legs, and hands.  ------------ should see a neurologist

to determine if he has B12-deficient neuropathy."



------------ should have his B-12 status determined by

measurement of his serum levels of vitamin B-12, homo-

cysteine, and holotranscobalamin (holo TC II).  Holo TC II

will be low before any other tests for negative B-12

status become low (see our 1994 paper in _American_

_Journal_of_Clincal_Nutrition_ on assessing B-12 status).

If the Cell Tech product:

 a. contains analogs of B-12, and,

 b. its label does not contain a consumer warning stating,

'WARNING: contains vitamin B-12 analogs but no vitamin

B-12.  Do not take this product unless your vitamin B-12

status has been evaluated by a responsible health

professional and found to be normal', then it is my

perception that the seller has violated product liability

law, i.e., he has a duty to warn, and he failed to warn."



"Sincerely,"

[signed]

"Victor Herbert, M.D., J.D."



Quoting from "Staging vitamin B-12 (cobalamin) status in

vegetarians", _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition_,

volume 59 (supplement), pages 1213S-1222S:



"About one-third of the 'vitamin B-12' in serum is in fact

not cobalamins (which are all forms of vitamin B-12 that

are active for humans), but other corrinoids that are

metabolically dead for humans but active for bacteria.

Thus, many microbiologic assays may find normal 'vitamin

B-12' concentrations in vitamin B-12-deficient people

because the assay is reading as vitamin B-12 what is

in fact noncobalamin corrinoids."



Quoting from "Vitamin B-12:  plant sources, requirements,

and assay", _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition_,

volume 48, pages 852-858:



"Vitamin B-12 is of singular interest in any discussion

of vegetarian diets because this vitamin is not found

in plant foods as are other vitamins.  Confusion about

what sources may yield vitamin B-12 to strict vegetarians

has arisen because the standard US Pharmacopeia (USP)

assay for vitamin B-12 does not assay only vitamin B-12.

In the USP method the content of vitamin B-12 of any given

food is determined by making a water extract of that food

and feeding the extract to a bacterium (_Lactobacillus_

_leichmannii_).  The quantity of vitamin B-12 is

determined by the amount of bacterial growth.  The problem

is that what is active vitamin B-12 for bacteria is not

necessarily active vitamin B-12 for humans.  Many of the

papers in the literature give values of vitamin B-12 in

food that are false because as much as 80% of the activity

by this method is due to inactive analogues of vitamin

B-12."



"We studied several types of tempeh, including Original

Soy Tempeh, a _Rhizobus_oligosporus_ culture with a label

claim of 160% of the US RDA for vitamin B-12 per 4 oz.

Using the differential radioassay we found there was

practically no vitamin B-12 in it."



"We also studied most of the spirulinas sold in health

food stores as sources of vitamin B-12;  there is

practically no vitamin B-12 in them.  The so-called

vitamin B-12 is almost exclusively analogues of vitamin

B-12 and we have extracted the two largest peaks of

analogues and they actually block vitamin B-12 metabolism.

We suspect that people taking spirulina as a source

of vitamin B-12 may get vitamin B-12 deficiency quicker

because the analogues in the product block human

mammilian cell metabolism in culture and we suspect

they will also do this in the living human.  Remember

that the label claim of vitamin B-12 is actually a

claim of corrinoid content, not vitamin B-12 content."



Quoting from "_Spirulina_ and Vitamin B-12", _Journal_of_

_the_American_Medical_Association_, volume 248, number 23,

pages 3096-3097:



"A current health food fad involves tablets of

_Spirulina_, a genus of blue-green algae belonging

to the family _Oscillatoriaceae_ of the division

_Cyanophyta_, represented in the health food literature

to contain large amounts of vitamin B-12."



"We subjected three popular brands of 500-mg _Spirulina_

tablets to both the _United_States_Pharmacopeia_

microbiologic assay for vitamin B-12 and the vitamin

B-12 radioassay method we recently applied to multivitamin

pills."



"Microbiologic assay would lead one to believe that 500-mg

_Spirulina_ tablets contain about 0.25 to 1 microgram of

vitamin B-12 per tablet, but radioassays, using R binder

to measure the total of (cobalamins plus cobalamin

analogues) and intrinsic factor to measure cobalamins

alone (ie, 'true B-12'), suggest that more than 80%

of what appears to be 'vitamin B-12' by microbiologic

assay is in fact analogues of B-12."



"Elsewhere, we reported that 10% to 30% of the vitamin

B-12 activity in multivitamin/mineral pills may be

analogues created by the antioxidant actions of iron,

vitamin C, and other ingredients in the pills.  In all

of these preparations, there was more true B-12 than

analogues;  in _Spirulina_, the reverse was the case.

These findings are consistent with studies three decades

ago, indicating that sewage and other organisms make a

variety of vitamin B-12 analogues that have no vitamin

B-12 activity for humans, ..."









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Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: I HAVE A SPLITTING HEADACHE

From: raven44ddd@aol.com (Raven44DDD)

Date: 30 Nov 1997 20:18:53 GMT

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     IS THERE ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT CAN GT RID OF MY HEADACHE WITHOUT HAVING

TO GO TO THE PHARMACY?  THANKS



  RAVEN







It is as it should be.



