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Subject: Re: Chronic Sinusitus

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 31 Dec 1997 15:02:00 -0700

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I had chronic mucous problems...coughs, allergies, all the way to

sinus infections being normal... was on proventil, vanconase, and all

kinds of oral meds...

Then I found out that there is a body constitution in Ayurvedic that

has trouble with mucous...guess what! -- that is most people with

allergy/mucous/sinus problems.  Avoid eating mucous causing foods like

milk & milk products, wheat and wheat products, yams, ...    Well,

read a book on Ayurvedic body constitutions  (like Depak Chopra stuff

or Dr. Vaz Lad etc.)

It has now been one full year without any allergy problems-- who says

allergies can't be cured??

s in Phx





wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski) wrote:



> N> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:25:42 GMT

> N> Subject: Re: Chronic Sinusitus

> N> From: NOSPAM.aherbst@cibola.net (Anthony Herbst)



> N> On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:11:06 -0600,

> N> wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger) wrote:



>>>I've tried Feverfew but dislike the side effects I getfrom it.

>Doesanyone

>>>have any other suggestions?    Thanks, Mark



> N> Colloidal silver spray, ... especially if I cut down on milk

>products.



>If one has to deal with sinusitus, this is advisable ... along with

>wheat products, as these two basics thicken the mucous membrane

>product, (mucous).



>cheers,

>WL Sakowski











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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: sswood@ibm.net

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:07:41 -0500

--------

Matthew Givens wrote:

> 

> Okay, this is going to sound strange, but I'm serious.  Over the years,

> I've seen different herbs or herbal concoctions that supposedly aid

> either the sex drive or sexual performance (including fertility).

> However, they all seem to be aimed at men.  Are there similar herbs to

> help women?

> 

> I'm not interested in fertility, as we have all the children we want, but

> definitly in an herb to increase sexual drive in a woman.  Is there such

> a thing, or is it a myth?

> 

> Matthew



Hi, Matthew,



I thought it was interesting that all the replies you received (at least

that I saw) were from men. <G>



The female Voice Of Experience here <G> :



If a woman experiences a lack of interest in sex, it may be hormonal. 

You don't give her age so I have no idea if her problem and mine were

the same...and it makes a big difference if she is using birth control

pills which also regulate hormone activity.  (I was not.)



For whatever reason, my body was producing excess estrogen, or normal

estrogen and very little progesterone.  Estrogen is the hormone which

causes a woman to lose interest in sex while she is pregnant.  During

pregnancy very little (if any) progestrone in made by the body.  This is

not something that is normally detected because doctors don't usually

look for it -- lack of progestrone -- but it could be the cause of a

woman's lack of interest in sex.  



Basically, no progesterone (or very little progesterone) = no interest

in sex.  There are several herbs which can help balance a hormonal

problem, and my advice to you (since I know no specifics as to your

Lady's general health or anything else) is to go to the library and take

out a good herbal.  Look for help under "menopause."  (I really wish I

knew at least her age...)  Even women in their 30s seem to be

experiencing menopausal hormonal imbalances, though that is a young age

for it.  



I have been using an herbal remedy for several months now, avoided a

needless hysterectomy, and my husband is delighted with the *new* me!  



Good luck to you and your Lady.



Michelle





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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 03:58:25 GMT

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In article <34AAD03D.2690@ibm.net>, sswood@ibm.net wrote:



->estrogen and very little progesterone.  Estrogen is the hormone which

->causes a woman to lose interest in sex while she is pregnant.  During

->pregnancy very little (if any) progestrone in made by the body.  This is



Isn't there a period during pregnancy where women are more aroused than 

usual... where progesterone IS being introduced into the system (perhaps at 

greater than normal levels)?   I've never been pregnant, but I thought that 

this was true.  I don't remember what trimester this is supposed to occur in.



->I have been using an herbal remedy for several months now, avoided a

->needless hysterectomy, and my husband is delighted with the *new* me!  



What is this herbal remedy?



I have had a problem with decreased libido ever since I began taking BC pills.

Quite annoying.  But I don't want to give up the pills, as my hormone levels 

were kind of off-balance beforehand.  (I think I was producing too much 

androgens, although I've never actually been tested for this.)





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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: sswood@ibm.net

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:16:16 -0500

--------

In article <68f4hv$f9f$2@usenet51.supernews.com> another Michelle wrote:



> Isn't there a period during pregnancy where women are more aroused than

> usual... where progesterone IS being introduced into the system (perhaps at

> greater than normal levels)?   I've never been pregnant, but I thought that

> this was true.  I don't remember what trimester this is supposed to occur in.



My research has been into menopause, but as far as I have read the body

does not produce progesterone while a woman is pregnant.  This hormone

(as far as I know) is only produced during the second half of a woman's

monthly cycle and prepares the uterine lining to receive a fertilized

egg.  If no egg attaches itself, the level drops and a woman has a

period.  



My only child is 17, so I don't remember too much about the pregnancy,

except that I never had a moment of morning sickness.  :-)



> What is this herbal remedy?

> 

> I have had a problem with decreased libido ever since I began taking BC pills.

> Quite annoying.  But I don't want to give up the pills, as my hormone levels

> were kind of off-balance beforehand.  (I think I was producing too much

> androgens, although I've never actually been tested for this.)



I have no experience with BC pills, but you might want to see if your

doctor will reduce the strength of the estrogen side of the Rx.  That

alone might solve your problem.  For some reason, doctors seem to think

women need levels of estrogen higher than the body supplies, but

everything I've read says exactly the opposite; most women have too much

when compared to naturally-produced levels of progestrone.  



The formula I use comes from _The Herbal Menopause Book_ by Amanda

McQuade Crawford and is designed specifically to reduce/eliminate

uterine fibroid tumors (caused by excess estrogen, according to my

research) and reduce heavy bleeding.  They are all loaded toward the

progesterone side, so be *very* careful with them if you taking BC

pills.  



1 part chasteberry (vitex agnus castus) - regulates hormones



1/2 part yarrow (achillea millefolium) - helps regulate cycle, reduces

heavy bleeding



1/2 part sarsaparilla root (smilax officinalis) - supports hormone

balance, anti-inflamatory



1/2 part calendula (calendula officinalis) - regulates bleeding



I started with the lowest dose -- 1/2 teaspoon, 3 times a day, in 8 oz.

water.  Highest dose is 1 tablespoon, 3x, in 8 oz.



(Wild yam root was also part of the formula in the book but I left it

out.  I occasionally use a wild yam cream if I'm experiencing PMS

symptoms.)



After five weeks on this formula one fibroid tumor had disappeared and

the other two were (just barely) measureably smaller.  I haven't had

another  sonogram in a while, so I don't know the "official" state of

things at the moment.



The chasteberry and the sarsaparilla are the two which folklore and some

modern research say increase libido.  Chasteberry also increases

fertility according to a 1988 study in Germany (cite: _The Encyclopedia

of Medicinal Plants_ by Andrew Chevallier).  



Michelle





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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: voorhis@donald.brandonu.ca

Date: 1 Jan 98 15:44:29 CST

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> My research has been into menopause, but as far as I have read the body

> does not produce progesterone while a woman is pregnant.  This hormone

> (as far as I know) is only produced during the second half of a woman's

> monthly cycle 



Progesterone is produced by the body during pregnancy, and it is very much

needed by the body, at high levels, to *maintain* a pregnancy.  



RV



 





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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: Elaine Carver <elainet@iea.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:37:43 -0800

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@donald.brandonu.ca wrote:

> 

> 

> > My research has been into menopause, but as far as I have read the body

> > does not produce progesterone while a woman is pregnant.  This hormone

> > (as far as I know) is only produced during the second half of a woman's

> > monthly cycle

> 

> Progesterone is produced by the body during pregnancy, and it is very much

> needed by the body, at high levels, to *maintain* a pregnancy.

> 

> RV

> 

> To thoroughly understand progesterone read Dr. John Lee's book "what your doctor may not tell you about menopause." Progesterone production increases to about 200 grams per month during pregnancy. It's a fascinating book.

Elaine





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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: skenn1@airmail.net (Susie Kennedy)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:57:58 GMT

--------



>The formula I use comes from _The Herbal Menopause Book_ by Amanda

>McQuade Crawford and is designed specifically to reduce/eliminate

>uterine fibroid tumors (caused by excess estrogen, according to my

>research) and reduce heavy bleeding.  They are all loaded toward the

>progesterone side, so be *very* careful with them if you taking BC

>pills.  

>

>1 part chasteberry (vitex agnus castus) - regulates hormones

>

>1/2 part yarrow (achillea millefolium) - helps regulate cycle, reduces

>heavy bleeding

>

>1/2 part sarsaparilla root (smilax officinalis) - supports hormone

>balance, anti-inflamatory

>

>1/2 part calendula (calendula officinalis) - regulates bleeding

>

>I started with the lowest dose -- 1/2 teaspoon, 3 times a day, in 8 oz.

>water.  Highest dose is 1 tablespoon, 3x, in 8 oz.

>

>(Wild yam root was also part of the formula in the book but I left it

>out.  I occasionally use a wild yam cream if I'm experiencing PMS

>symptoms.)

>

>After five weeks on this formula one fibroid tumor had disappeared and

>the other two were (just barely) measureably smaller.  I haven't had

>another  sonogram in a while, so I don't know the "official" state of

>things at the moment.

>

>The chasteberry and the sarsaparilla are the two which folklore and some

>modern research say increase libido.  Chasteberry also increases

>fertility according to a 1988 study in Germany (cite: _The Encyclopedia

>of Medicinal Plants_ by Andrew Chevallier).  

>

>Michelle





I will stand by the Wild Yam.  I suffered through 12 years of marriage with

no libido and Wild Yam changed that. It was such a relief to know there was

a reason.  My husband always thought it was because I wasn't interested him

and I was beginning to think that, also.  



There is an answer for you in one or all of these products, but don't give

up.



Also, you really need to check your thyroid. Hypothyroidism is a very

treatable problem and it definitely effects your hormones.  Make sure you

have healthy glands and the female problems might go away without HRT. 



There is sex after 50 contrary to what a lot of people have thought for many

years.









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Subject: Re: Sex & Herbs

From: littleme@bellsouth.net (Lilcardinal )

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:04:20 GMT

--------

On 30 Dec 1997 03:05:21 GMT, NKSW39B@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens)

wrote:



>Okay, this is going to sound strange, but I'm serious.  Over the years, 

>I've seen different herbs or herbal concoctions that supposedly aid 

>either the sex drive or sexual performance (including fertility).  

>However, they all seem to be aimed at men.  Are there similar herbs to 

>help women?

>

>I'm not interested in fertility, as we have all the children we want, but 

>definitly in an herb to increase sexual drive in a woman.  Is there such 

>a thing, or is it a myth?

>

>Matthew

>

Dear Matthew.. 

     Well.. as I posted earlier.. I'm on a large dose of DHEA to

combat pre-menopausal symptoms.  Because of depression and our family

going through some pretty heavy turmoil, my usually quite healthy

libido had faultered.  However.. since I've started taking DHEA, I'm

well... healed.. AND HOW!  My poor husband goes into work with

bloodshot eyes and a big goofy grin on his face every day, in other

words.. Hee Heee.. Sorry.. I know, .. that was tacky.  However.. this

little miracle has certainly worked wonders for me!



Lilcardinal (Jeanie)





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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:27:18 -0600

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John R. Snead wrote:

> 

> I've used Syrain rue to treat depression for quite a while (1 tsp

> steeped in a cup of boiling water for 10-15 minute).  I've recently

> learend that it is also an interesting hallucinogen.  Do folks have

> any advice or comments about the affects produced, dosages, or 

> side-effects?

> 

> I've been told simply eating 6 or 7 grams of it wil produce the 

> desired hallucinations.  Also, approximately how long to the affects 

> last?



Dunno from *Syrian* rue, but regular garden rue, Ruta graveolens, [if I

am remembering correctly without foraying the library] is one of those

plants where the psychotropic dose and the potentially fatal dose are

very close together.  Not something I'd want to try unless I did the

research on my own, rather than rely on other folks' reports.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:07:38 -0500

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Lady Necessity wrote in message <34AAE2E6.42B3@flash.net>...

>Dunno from *Syrian* rue, but regular garden rue, Ruta graveolens, [if I

>am remembering correctly without foraying the library] is one of those

>plants where the psychotropic dose and the potentially fatal dose are

>very close together.  Not something I'd want to try unless I did the

>research on my own, rather than rely on other folks' reports.

>

>-Kyra



Once and for all, there is NO relation between Syrian Rue (Peganum harmala)

and Garden Rue (Ruta graveolens).  They are not even in the same plant

family.



The main problem (as I recall) with Syrian Rue is that the harmala alkaloids

it contains are MAO inhibitors.  In other words, there are a number of foods

that should not be in the system at the same time SR is taken.  These

include aged cheeses, nuts, and others.  Comsuming these reactive foods for

some time before or after using any MAOI's can cause very serious

hypertensive problems requiring the services of a doctor or mortician.

Aside from this, there is to my knowledge no toxicity associated with

harmine, harmaline, and associated compounds.  Perhaps one of the chemists

in the group could shed more light?



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:04:30 GMT

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:





>Once and for all, there is NO relation between Syrian Rue (Peganum harmala)

>and Garden Rue (Ruta graveolens).  They are not even in the same plant

>family.



Correct! They have virtually nothing in common....





>The main problem (as I recall) with Syrian Rue is that the harmala alkaloids

>it contains are MAO inhibitors.  



Harmala alkaloids _are_ MAO-Inhibitors.



>In other words, there are a number of foods that should not be in the system

>at the same time SR is taken.  These include aged cheeses, nuts, and others. 

>Comsuming these reactive foods for

>some time before or after using any MAOI's can cause very serious

>hypertensive problems requiring the services of a doctor or mortician.



The subject of MAO-Inhibition is extremely complex and confusing,

actually there are still many unknown factors at play here. The

food-restrictions you mentioned above only apply to the older

synthetic MAO-Inhibitors which fall in the class of the irreversible

MAOI's. Newer synthetic MAOIs like moclobemide are so-called

reversible MAOI's, in addition one must distinguish between MAO-A and

MAO-B inhibition.



In simple words: the natural MAOIs like Harmala alkaloids are much

safer than the traditional synthetic MAOIs. Many people have

(sometimes intentionally) combined Harmala alkaloids with aged cheese

and other "prohibited" foods without any ill effects. Other

potentially dangerous combinations (harmaline+mescaline) have also

been shown to be very safe.



The biggest danger of Harmala alkaloids is their combination with

Antidepressants of the SSRI family (Prozac, Paxil,....). I was told

there have already been some deaths associated with this combination.

Someone ingesting SSRI's on a chronical basis must abstain at least

_4 weeks_ before ingesting _any_ MAO-Inhibitor.



>Aside from this, there is to my knowledge no toxicity associated with

>harmine, harmaline, and associated compounds. 



There have been various toxicological studies: a number of them came

to the conclusion that Harmala alkaloids are nerotoxic but since I

don't have those papers I don't know what dosage was employed. It

wouldn't surprise me if they had totally overdosed the poor animals

(as is done far too often).



On the other hand: Peganum harmala has been used in folk-medicine for

literally thousands of year (some even speculating that it might be

the persian Haoma) and is still used today in many countries. 



Banisteriopsis caapi (Vine of the Soul) also contains (smaller

concentrations) Harmala alkaloids. The vine is considered _the_

medicine par excellence. These tribes have a far better knowledge

about what we call MAO-Inhibition than we, actually they knew

about it for at least one 1000 years!



Mike





.-------------------------------------.

| Mike Braben, TAC Ethnobotanicals    |

| E-Mail: alcastellosa@access.ch      |

| http://www.madlex.com/tac/ethno.htm |

'-------------------------------------'









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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: dragon3@lightlink.com (Hatta)

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 05:31:45 GMT

--------

On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:07:38 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>The main problem (as I recall) with Syrian Rue is that the harmala alkaloids

>it contains are MAO inhibitors.  In other words, there are a number of foods

>that should not be in the system at the same time SR is taken.  These

>include aged cheeses, nuts, and others.  Comsuming these reactive foods for

>some time before or after using any MAOI's can cause very serious

>hypertensive problems requiring the services of a doctor or mortician.

>Aside from this, there is to my knowledge no toxicity associated with

>harmine, harmaline, and associated compounds.  Perhaps one of the chemists

>in the group could shed more light?

>

>-RJO

I've been told that in TiHKAL, it says that you don't need to worry

about tyramine, because the harmala alkaloids are so short acting.  I

still wouldnt eat a roll of sausage, and wash it down with beer.  

	-Mad Hatter





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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: Ilya Personne <therion@ccnet.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:41:20 -0800

--------

Lady Necessity wrote:



> John R. Snead wrote:

> >

> > I've used Syrain rue to treat depression for quite a while (1 tsp

> > steeped in a cup of boiling water for 10-15 minute).  I've recently

> > learend that it is also an interesting hallucinogen.  Do folks have

> > any advice or comments about the affects produced, dosages, or

> > side-effects?

> >

> > I've been told simply eating 6 or 7 grams of it wil produce the

> > desired hallucinations.  Also, approximately how long to the affects

> > last?

>

> Dunno from *Syrian* rue, but regular garden rue, Ruta graveolens...



Apart from the fact that they are both flowering plants Peganum harmala

(Syrian rue) and Ruta graveolens are not related. They do look kinda

similar (-ish), though.



> ...[if I am remembering correctly without foraying the library] is one of

> those

> plants where the psychotropic dose and the potentially fatal dose are

> very close together.



Ruta graveolens is deadly?! I didn't even know it was psychoactive. Do make

that trip to the library, please, I'd like to know the dosages (both the

active and the fatal). I'd especially like to know what book you were going

to look it up in.



Peganum harmala ("Syrian rue", a.k.a. "harmal", a.k.a. "esfand") contains

large quantities of beta-carbolines such as harmine, harmaline, peganine

and leptaflorine. Some people experience closed-eye visual effects when

they ingest enough Syrian rue. What's enough? This is hard to say as most

people never experience any psychoactivity at all - they go through all

that vomiting and diarrhoea for nothing.



My experience was with pure harmaline in (I think) 1972. Misled by Richard

Evans Schultes, I believed it to be the active principle in ayahuasca, the

amazonian psychedelic. I procured a few grammes of harmaline and each week

I would eat a successively larger amount of it, each time expecting the

full effects of ayahuasca to manifest. Eventually, at 450 milligrammes I

experienced profound visual effects. A succession of incredibly detailed

images flashed before my inner gaze - far, far too quickly for me to catch

more than a fraction of the content of each scene. While interesting, this

was not at all pleasant.



Another strange effect was that I found any kind of light oppressive - it

made me feel physically heavy. Conversely, when I turned the lights off,

not only could I see quite well in almost total darkess but felt as light

as a feather. Next morning I had the mother of all hangovers (probably due

to dangerously elevated blood-pressure) and vowed I would never do it

again.



Of course, we now know that this was one of those very rare occassions when

Schultes was wrong. Harmaline (in the form of the "caapi" vine) is a vital

component of ayahuasca but not its main ingredient. Its primary function is

to render the DMT in the "chacruna" (Psychotria viridis leaves) orally

active.



I would excercise extreme caution before eating anything like as much as "6

or 7 grams". Also it is a good idea to check with your doctor and ask for a

list of things which don't mix with monoamineoxidase inhibitors such as the

beta-carbolines.



        Ilya Personne













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Subject: Re: Advaice about Syrian Rue wanted

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 21:19:48 -0600

--------

Ilya Personne wrote:

> 

> Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> > Dunno from *Syrian* rue, but regular garden rue, Ruta graveolens...

> 

> Apart from the fact that they are both flowering plants Peganum harmala

> (Syrian rue) and Ruta graveolens are not related. They do look kinda

> similar (-ish), though.

> 

> > ...[if I am remembering correctly without foraying the library] is 

> > one of those plants where the psychotropic dose and the potentially 

> > fatal dose are very close together.

> 

> Ruta graveolens is deadly?! I didn't even know it was psychoactive. Do 

> make that trip to the library, please, I'd like to know the dosages 

> (both the active and the fatal). I'd especially like to know what book 

> you were going to look it up in.



<SIGH!> The library in question, mine, is in long-term storage.  I don't

even know which box, if I were to shift, out and back, the other 25 c.f.

of what's between me and the books.  [I did not believe it would be this

long when I put them there.]  I would go first to Alma Hutchins, _Native

Herbalology of North America,_ and to Jeanne Rose's original volume [she

is one of the few authors who does discuss psychotropics].  I do have

Susun S. Weed's _Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year_ in hand,

and Jeannine Parvati's _Hygieia, A Woman's Herbal._  Both were acquired

after the packing....



Ruta graveolens is one of the purported abortifacients.  Any herb which

does have properties of that nature is possibly going to operate on the

principle of making your body so sick that pregnancy cannot be

sustained.  [Almost no emmenagogue will so work *unless the woman knows

how to count*.]  I believe the psychotropic dose, if any, would approach

or exceed that required to instigate severe physical - nerve deranging -

illness.  Rue does have other valid and beneficial uses, such as for

varicosities and 'hysteria'/fear; in such knowledge as I retain in

online wetware, I have Ruta graveolens identified as dangerous, to be

used only with great caution and respect and after significant book time

verifying application and contraindications.  Before the books got

packed up, I had it growing right next to the tansy and wormwood. 

[Trivia:  tansy and wormwood are apparently inimical to pennyroyal....]



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Healthy Hair

From: Raevyn Lucian <dischant@pacbell.net>

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 18:24:07 -0800

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I would reccomend using an infusion of rosemary as a rinse and massaged

into your scalp.  Rosemary improves blood flow in your scalp thereby

encouraging your hair to grow and also seems to work well as a

detangler.  My hair so far is quite long and healthy and I have been

using the infusion a couple times a week for the past year.



et

raevyn



tracy wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbs to help my your hair healthy and long?











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Subject: Re: Herbs for Healthy Hair

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:18:02 -0500

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tracy wrote in message ...

>Does anyone know of any herbs to help my your hair healthy and long?

>



Edgar Cayce recommended using the peelings of Irish potatoes to keep the

hair healthy, dark and thick.  Just clean some white or red-skinned potatoes

(1/2 lb. or so), peel them and put the peels in a cup or two of water to

cover, bring to the boil and then simmer covered for a half hour or so,

adding more water as needed.  Strain and drink the "tea" or mix it into

soup.  Just BE SURE the potatoes show no signs of green color in or under

the skin, as this indicates the tubers were exposed to light after harvest

and may contain solanine*, which some people find hard on their systems.



*The alkaloid Solanine is found in improperly stored potatoes (indicated by

green color) and green or improperly ripened red tomatoes.  It is probably

responsible for most if not all the supposed "allergies" to solanaceous

plants.  Solanine can cause a number of alarming symptoms, including joint

and muscle pain and soreness similar to arthritis or rheumatism, and can

aggravate a number of conditions, especially those linked to over-acidity in

the body.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Herbs for Healthy Hair

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:04:06 -0900

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Proper nutrition is a key to healthy hair. Check into diet changes first. Many times changing your diet will promote hair growth, if it is not a hereditary condition. Sometimes medications are a cause. A simple, natural diet does more to help your body than anything else.



To speed hair growth:

Boil 1/2 cup of peach seeds (these are found inside the pit) in 2 cups of vinegar until thick. Strain and massage into scalp. Rinse well. 



Promote hair growth:

Mix 2 teaspoons of cayenne pepper with 1 cup of olive oil. Massage into the area that is thinning on a daily basis. Continue treatment. When the treatment stops, so does the hair growth.



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



tracy wrote in message ...

>Does anyone know of any herbs to help my your hair healthy and long?

>







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Subject: Re: ADHD and Herbal Recommendations

From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:34:11 -0500

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On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Lilcardinal wrote:



Does anyone else have any more suggestions for self-help in this area

other than having to take these medications?  I know.. right now.. I'm

still feeling great, but I have to confide in you that I fear there will

come a day when these vitamins and herbs no longer do it for me.. just 

like the Ritalin and Adderall.



Lilcardinal,



I also have major concerns about long-term (e.g., decades) use of drugs to

control ADD symtpoms.  Holistic treatment would consider drugs only after

a number of commonly successful programs/treatments have been tried and

only as a last resort.



It is becoming more and more common that holistic treatments are stopping

ADD symptoms and such cases have been discussed in various groups online

recently. There are quite a few successful techniques which,

unfortunately, many people don't investigate thoroughly.  



Just a few of the online resources prefaced with the following suggestion:



  It can be very helpful to work with an experienced practitioner when 

  undertaking a holistic healing program for ADD.  See the Directories of

  Practitioners web page for help in finding a practitioner:



        http://www.holisticmed.com/www/directory.html



1.  On     http://www.holisticmed.com/cases/



    there is a case history related to ADD which you may find

    very helpful.  This is just one of many I've seen online.



2.  On     http://www.holisticmed.com/www/treatment.html



    there are two links to two very useful pages related to ADD.

    The link to presentations by Dr. Doris Rapp is excellent and

    I highly recommend her book (for adults & children): "Is This

    Your Child's World (even though it's not specific to ADD only).

    The Fiengold Assoc. web page has information & research.



3.  The people on the Athena mailing list are quite knowledgable about

    ADD and natural treatments (IMO) such as classical homeopathy, etc.

    You can get subscription information to this holistic healing-related

    mailing list at the at:



          http://www.holisticmed.com/www/holistic.html#mail



4.  I think that for adults with ADD, the ideas related to holistic

    healing fundamentals in the articles section of my web page would

    be helpful including the articles related to toxic & unhealthy

    substance exposure.



By the way, I haven't read the book *specific* to ADD that Rosemary

mentioned, but I have enormous respect for the authors and think it would

be *well worth it* to purchase it and read it.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net



                     Holistic Healing Web Page

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/

                     No Web Access? Email Me









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Subject: Re: ADHD and Herbal Recommendations

From: dw <davidwms@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 22:53:15 -0600

--------

Iron has been found benificial in ADHD.  So has fish oil.

Contact me if you need more info.



Dave



MARGARETH1 wrote:



> Rainwood <gentle.living@pressroom.com> wrote in article

> <01bd12ef$27bfb200$568345c6@shondagaylord>...

> > .

> >

> > I have an eight year old son with ADHD and I did treat him for a few

> months

> > with Ritalin until I was horrified by the results.

> >

> > Does anyone recommend any herbs to treat this condition?

> >

> > Blessings!

> >

> > Rainwood

>

> Read the book, The Brain Wellness Plan (I forget the authors' names), which was

> written by a neurologist and a nutritionist together and includes a chapter on

> ADD.  It's *very* good.

>

> They don't, if I recall, mention herbs, but I think ginkgo might help, perhaps

> mixed with some of the relaxing herbs listed by Kay (these were "Passion

> Flower, Valerian Root, Chamomile, flower, Hops flowers,  Catnip,

> Lavender Flower, Myrrh gum, and Spearmint leaves"; I would add to this list

> Kava-Kava, and Lemon grass or melissa, which both contain the relaxing

> substance, limonene).  Ginkgo increases dopamine levels in the brain, as does

> Ritalin, but without the side effects.  It also increases circulation to the

> brain, resulting in improved oxygenation (ADD involves lack of oxygenation to

> certain areas of the brain).  I just started taking an herb called rhodiola, or

> Arctic root, which I think is very good also.  It increases oxygenation uptake

> and nutrient transport to the tissues as well as helping to normalize mood by

> maintaining optimal levels of serotonin and other neurotransmitters.

>

> I'm an adult with ADD, and can't take Ritalin, as it totally strings me out.

> One thing that helps me the most is natural thyroid, even though my blood level

> of thyroid was not abnormal to begin with. (There is frequently  a connection

> between ADD and low thyroid function, even with normal blood levels, as the

> cause may be poor uptake by the receptors.  Many doctors do not understand

> about this.)

>

> E-mail me if you like, and I could tell you more.  (I don't sell anything,

> BTW.)

>

> Margaret











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Subject: Re: ADHD and Herbal Recommendations

From: jonno@teleport.com (Jonathan Treasure)

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 01:04:31 -0800

--------

Regarding herbs for ADD/ADHD there are several options used by herbalists

which include Bacopa monniera and various species of Valeriana that are

high in valepotriates such as V. edulis, V. sitchensis and V. walichii

which in appropriate dose and combination can work well.



Herbs alone will not be sufficient: the doses and specific indications 

of these herbs should be checked in a consultation with a herbalist..then

of course I would say that..... 



For many children, cranio-sacral manipulation also works wonders.







jonathan treasure





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Subject: Re: Multiple Sclerosis+nerve pain

From: littleme@bellsouth.net (Lilcardinal )

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 03:53:27 GMT

--------

On 29 Dec 1997 17:32:31 GMT, westfork1@aol.com (Westfork1) wrote:



>need an herb for this - nerve pain and muscle spasm

Dear Westfork.. 

     Since I'm a newbie to this ng, I really have no idea whether or

not anyone has suggested DEHA to you for your MS symptoms.  If you use

herbs regularly, then I'm sure you've not only heard of it, but

perhaps, tried it as well.  I'm taking a pretty large dose of it right

now, myself.  I was suspected of having MS twice over the last decade

and had several MRIs to hopefully diagnose my occassional numbness,

lack of balance and stinging alongside one nerve across my left

shoulderblade.  However.. all tests came back negative, and to this

day they still don't know what causes these rare flareups of mine.

Anyways.. I started taking DHEA, because I was beginning to go through

the early stages of menopause, and now I feel better than I have in

years.  I believe I ran across an article recently on the web..

describing the benefits of DHEA in combating MS.  If you haven't tried

it, I highly reccommend that you do some research and give it a whirl!



I wish I could make your burden lighter, m'dear.. 

God's Speed.. 

Lilcardinal (Jeanie)





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Subject: Re: Multiple Sclerosis+nerve pain

From: jmtREMOVE@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 10:58:30 GMT

--------

westfork1@aol.com (Westfork1) wrote:



>need an herb for this - nerve pain and muscle spasm



To treat the effects of nerve pain and muscle spasm try marijuana.



The legal issues surrounding marijuana are separate from the health

issues.  Legally, it's a tax thing. There is virtually no other reason

to withhold this healthful herb from people who need it.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Subject: Re: Formula: Info needed

From: littleme@bellsouth.net (Lilcardinal )

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 03:56:28 GMT

--------

On Tue, 30 Dec 97 00:43:21 GMT, mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle) wrote:



>I have found a herbal product that contains the following:

>

>Damiana; Oatstraw; Fo-ti Root; Siberian Ginseng Root; Gotu Kola; Wild Yam; 

>Black Cohosh Root; Blue Cohosh Root; Suma Root.

>

>First of all, is Oatstraw the same as Avena Sativa, and if not, what exactly 

>is Oatstraw "good" for?

>

Michelle,

     I'm taking DHEA.. a large dose of it to combat some terrible

pre-menopause symptoms I've been having... and , well.. my libido has

shot through the roof!  I suppose I'm a rare case in this... I dunno..

but depending on your age and circumstance, you may wanna try DHEA for

that.  =)



Lilcardinal

>Second... is this a good formula for possibly increasing libido? What else 

>might this be good for?

>

>Third... these herbs are combined in 450mg gelatin capsules. The bottle says 

>to take two "when required".... what might be a good dosage (daily) to benefit 

>as much as possible from all of these herbs, without overdoing it?

>

>Fourth.... can this formula safely be taken with St. John's Wort?

>

>Thanks! 







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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: littleme@bellsouth.net (Lilcardinal )

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:09:45 GMT

--------

On 31 Dec 1997 02:13:30 GMT, "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

wrote:



>My son also was on Ritalin for a period of time..with all of the nasty side

>effects.  He would lay down on the floor and throw a 2 yr old temper

>tantrum while crying uncontrollably.  The physical side effects are

>available for anyone to read in a PDR or ask a pharmacist for the insert. 

>Fortunately, for us, an "old timer" told us about the use of coffee.  Yes,

>the caffeine has the reverse effect...so between coffee and counseling he

>has made a remarkable improvement.  The counseling is what most folks leave

>out, just depending on a drug to make it better!  There has to be behavior

>modification, also.

>

>kim

Yep.. until I was diagnosed, all of my family was soooo concerned

about the immense coffee intake that was my "norm".  =)  It does work,

and it doesn't have the "fallout", and I have to "amen" you for

mentioning the most important factor of dealing with ADD and ADHD

which is "behavior modification".  Just like on the other drugs,

though, I did gain a tolerance for coffee and other caffeine

products... hopefully, though, your son will not suffer likewise.



Thanks!

Lilcardinal (Jeanie)





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Subject: Re: How do you raise body temperature?

From: starwulf@juno.com

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 04:26:13 GMT

--------

drink something warm - eat some protein and learn to breath deaply

starwulf@juno.com





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Subject: Re: How do you raise body temperature?

From: skenn1@airmail.net (Susie Kennedy)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:46:59 GMT

--------

l

>

>I also found since I asked the question, that 3 kelp capsules, and 1

>cayenne capsule;   3x/day raises body temperature.

>



This kelp is for your thyroid. I've heard of  a basal axillary temperature,

"Barnes Basal Temperature Test".  You shake the thermomemter down as far as

it will go before going to bed at night and place it next to your bed.  In

the morning upon awakening and with as little movement as possible, place

the thermometer under the armpit and lie there quietly for ten minutes.  A

normal functioning thyroid will register 97.8 to 98.2; an over-active

thyroid  or possible state of infection will regester 98.2 and above; and a

possible low thyroid will register 97.8 or below. 



There is a reason why your body temperature is low. It may not be thyroid,

but it's worth checking out.  You might consider that fatigue, dry skin,and

other symptoms of thyroid deficiency.  







==========

Subject: Re: How do you raise body temperature?

From: image479@aol.com (Image479)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 13:59:35 GMT

--------

> A

>normal functioning thyroid will register 97.8 to 98.2; an over-active

>thyroid  or possible state of infection will regester 98.2 and above; and a

>possible low thyroid will register 97.8 or below. 



Where did you get this information of body temperature indicating a normal or

abnormal thyroid?  Curious!!

Image4799@aol.com









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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:05:50 GMT

--------

alone ranger wrote:

> 

> please post or E-mail. Thanks,Mark

I believe it is no longer available except by prescription.  There was

a bad batch released several years ago and they pulled it from the

market.  Try eating foods that contain it, notably milk or find a health

conscious physician that might be willing to prescribe





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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:01:39 -0500

--------

K. Shelton wrote in message <34aa45f7.0@199.0.68.3>...

>

>Tryptophan occurs naturally in warm milk.

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Online Herbal Newsletter

>http://edge.net/~nature

>





Also occurs naturally in cold milk. :-)



OK, I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist...



Actually, heating the milk may increase the uptake and digestion.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 03 Jan 98 14:35:29 -0600

--------

>On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:56:11 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone

>ranger) wrote:



>>please post or E-mail. Thanks,Mark



>L-Tryptophan is not currently available in the U.S. as a product for

>human consumption, i.e., it is a "controlled substance."  There are

>quasi-legal ways around the government ban, which can be found by

>those who seek them.



The one completely above board exception are compounding pharmacies, which

do sell tryptophan for human consumption, if prescribed by a

doctor. The more circuitous route are companies (do a web search) which

sell pharmaceutical grade tryptophan to people OTC, but legally for

veterinary use only.



Re those oft-repeated recommendations to drink milk, warm or otherwise, to

get more tryptophan... They don't apply.  Several of the other amino acids

present in milk and other tryptophan-rich protein foods compete so

avidly with tryptophan for entry into the brain that brain levels of

tryptophan actually fall after you consume these foods.  If warm milk makes

you sleepy, it must be for another reason, possibly one or another of the

"exorphins" (opiate-like peptides) found in milk protein.



Syd







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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: kath801@aol.com (Kath801)

Date: 4 Jan 1998 02:28:42 GMT

--------

>

>L-Tryptophan is not currently available in the U.S. as a product for

>human consumption, i.e., it is a "controlled substance."  There are

>quasi-legal ways around the government ban, which can be found by

>those who seek them.

>Torrey





        Ok, I have a question about this,....a friend of mine has bought an

herbal supplement from his Herbalife lady that lists, among a few relaxing-type

herbs, L-tryptophan.  What is this substance? Is it different? Does anyone have

any idea? I've been waiting for someone to get onto this subject just so I

could ask about it :)



thanks,

Kathy





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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: lhoover@ivory.trentu.ca (HOOVER THE MOVER)

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:18:18 GMT

--------

In article <34AE9C53.69C7@echoweb.net>, J Martin <jmartin@echoweb.net> writes:

>Torrey Peacock wrote:

>> 

>> On Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:56:11 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone

>> ranger) wrote:

>> 

>> >please post or E-mail. Thanks,Mark

>> 

>> L-Tryptophan is not currently available in the U.S. as a product for

>> human consumption, i.e., it is a "controlled substance."  There are

>> quasi-legal ways around the government ban, which can be found by

>> those who seek them.

>> 

>> Another approach is to take the very closely related compond,

>> 5-Hydroxy-Tryptophan (5-HTP).  5-HTP is available as a dietary

>> supplement in natural food stores, and has much the same effects as

>> L-Tryptophan.  It can also be obtained by mail-order from several

>> suppliers.  One of them is Vitamin Research Products, who have a Web

>> site at: http://www.vrp.com/

>> 

>> Torrey

> 5-HTP is also available from TriMedica - if you'd like info, please

>email jamrtin@echoweb.net!!!



I am told that l-tryptophan is readily available as a feed supplement from 

veterinary supply companies. Just remember, it's for your....pet. That's 

it. Ya, it's for your pet.



Larry





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Subject: Re: Where is Tryptophan availiable?

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 00:46:06 GMT

--------

Turkey is full fo Tryptophan! Do you want this product to increase sleep?





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Subject: Re: underactive thyroid

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:13:16 GMT

--------

MARGARETH1 wrote:

> 

> John Andrew McMullen wrote:

> >

> > My younger sister (age 18) is suffering from what has been diagnosed

> > as an underactive thyroid gland possibly concomitant with her

> > depression. Having recently left home to start a university course

> > appears to have possibly worsened the situation. Currently she is on

> > a course of thyroxine for the thyroid and peroxitine hydrochlorate

> > (?) for the depression.

> 

> I never heard of that antidepressant.

> >

> > Could anyone possibly recommend any herbs that she may substitute

> > (over a period of time) for the pharmaceutical that she is currently

> > on as they do not appear to be particularity effective as she still

> > suffers from muscle fatigue and a lack of motivation. This is a shame

> > in one who was once so full of life and energy. In addition (from my

> > reading) I understand that some diets my prove beneficial.

> >

> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you,

> >

> > Andy.

> 

> First of all, natural thyroid, though not an herb, is a natural treatment for

> low thyroid.  Your sister may be taking Synthroid instead, which is fine for

> some people, but not for others.  Some people need the T3 found in natural

> thyroid (Synthroid contains only T4, which needs to be converted in the liver

> to T3, and some people's livers are not able to perform this function; natural

> thyroid contains both T4 and T3).

> 

> cyli wrote

> 

> >Try Alt.support.thyroid.  I'll bet most of the advice they'll give

> >will match mine.  She should go back to her doctor and get her doseage

> >raised.

> 

> And/or, as I mentioned above, she may need to have the type of thyroid

> medication changed

> 

> >But it can be a way more involved process than that.  So

> >she'll want all their information.

> 

> I agree.

> 

> >She *shouldn't* do stuff like try taking kelp or iodine while taking

> >the thyroid meds.  That'll interfere and just make things worse.  She

> >should also be taking her thyroid meds on an empty stomach, my

> >personal preference being first thing in the morning, and not taking

> >any other food or meds for an hour after or two hours before the

> >thyroid meds.  Just that empty stomach difference can be very

> >important.  Well, water is okay to take with them.

> 

> >I've never heard of (though that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but I'

> >ve been looking) of any herbal or 'natural' stuff that can be used

> >instead of the meds once they're necessary.  For very minor thryoid

> >lowness, maybe kelp would help, but not for anything serious.

> 

> In fact, kelp is only indicated in certain circumstances, and would be of no

> use (or possibly detrimental) in others, so that someone who has even  "very

> minor thyroid lowness" would probably do well to  consider taking natural

> thyroid, which is totally non-toxic and free of side effects if taken in the

> right dosage.

> 

> I believe total good nutrition, including adequate B vitamins, can sometimes

> improve thyroid function, and it's good to do anyway (and it's possible that

> your sister's change in diet occasioned by her going off to university may have

> exacerbated her condition); but for now, as cyli says, your sister needs to get

> her dosage adjusted.

> 

> Margaret H.

> 

> P.S.  If your sister's doctor thinks, going by the blood tests, that she's

> already taking enough thyroid, yet she has the symptoms you describe, she may

> have a resistance to thyroid hormone: i.e. her receptors aren't taking it up

> efficiently.  The solution to that is to take more thyroid even though the

> blood levels are not low to begin with, to saturate the receptors in order to

> compensate for their inefficiency.

> 

> Her basal temperature is a good indicator of whether her thyroid *function* (as

> distinct from her thyroid blood level) is normal.

> 

> Margaret H.

> 

> (posted and mailed)

Suggest natural glandular products with addl thryoid compounds.    Had

the same problem for a few years.  Took so much thyroxine that I became

hyper.  Also, she might want to try Natural Progesterone, either cream

on even better suppositories, esp is she is also having PMS like

symtoms.  These often go hand in hand since the thyroid gland has a

direct impact on the menstrual cycle.  She should concentrate on

building up all the glands with the combined glandulars and the addl

thryoid compounds.  Surprize, once she gets the thryoid working

correctly the depression will go away.  It was like stepping into the

light from the dark for me.  Hope she gets the help she deserves





==========

Subject: Re: Hispanic uses of herbs and cacti

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:18:11 GMT

--------

C.L. Getz wrote:

> 

> Greetings,

> 

> I'm researching Hispanic usage of herbs, and cacti as herbs (other than

> as hallucinogens), in the U.S. and would appreciate any useful

> anecdotes, recipes or other resources (in English). For instance, I have

> heard of prickly pear (nopales) used to prevent or treat diabetes but

> can find little about how it's done or why it allegedly works. While I

> am half-Hispanic, what information there was in my family appears to

> have died out with the older generation.

> 

> Gracias!

> 

> C.L. Getz

> 

> Please change "nospam" to "clgetz" in e-mail address to reply.

My sister uses Nopales for diabetes.  She has severe case.  Got good

response at first and then her sugar level dropped too low.  It became

difficult to determine when she needed shots.  she came off it and its a

shame, because I feel if her doctor could have worked with her, it could

have been regulated to control the sugar level and she may have been

able to eliminate the shots.  Katrena in Atlanta





==========

Subject: Re: Manic depression and herbs

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:20:17 GMT

--------

TKousek wrote:

> 

> Hi:

> 

> My friend has been a manic depressant since she was 19.   She is now 43.   I

> feel very sorry for her because she has to take lithium and all kinds of

> other medicines for the rest of her life.   It just does not seem fair...

> 

> I am currently taking Essiac in hopes that it will help aid my throat while

> it heals.  I had tumors removed from my throat 3 weeks ago.  They were

> benign, which is fortunate for me...   Since I am somewhat nervous they

> could come back again and be malignant (who knows?), I have changed my life

> style and quit using tobacco and using Essiac.   I am putting my faith in

> Essiac even if millions and millions of doctors will call it junk and say

> that it does not work..

> 

> While taking Essiac, I got to wondering if there are any herbs that are

> known to help manic depression?   The doctors say that there is no known

> cure for manic depression and lithium is usually the best they can do to

> control it..

> 

> Regards,

> Theron Kousek

> 

> --

> Life's too short so try and enjoy it.

My friend Ray used Essaic for over three years after he was diagnosed

with a brain tumor.  It went into complete remission.  He also used Red

Clover, Suma one other herb which I cant recall the name of .  Good luck

on your changes





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Subject: Re: Nervous Stomach

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:21:56 GMT

--------

Jim VanMarter wrote:

> 

> NKSW39B@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens) writes: > Okay, I've had a nervous stomach for the past 20 years or so, and I even

> > take drugs to minimize the effects.  Now, is there an herbal alternative

> > to anti-spasmotics such as Hyoscyamine (Levsinex)?

> >

> > Matthew in Montgomery.

> >

> Try Belladona in homeopathic dosage.  I have suggested this to many of my

> clients with excellent results.

> 

> Jim VanMarter

> Holistic Health and Wellness

> http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands

> (web site still under construction)

If you have IBS you may want to try Evening Primrose Oil. 500 mg three

times daily.  You will see results in about a week





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Subject: Re: Nervous Stomach

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:23:34 GMT

--------

Matthew Givens wrote:

> 

> Jim VanMarter <jimvan@wilcoxent.com> wrote:

> >

> >NKSW39B@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens) writes: > Okay, I've had a nervous

> stomach for the past 20 years or so, and I even

> >> take drugs to minimize the effects.  Now, is there an herbal

> alternative

> >> to anti-spasmotics such as Hyoscyamine (Levsinex)?

> >>

> >> Matthew in Montgomery.

> >>

> >Try Belladona in homeopathic dosage.  I have suggested this to many of

> my

> >clients with excellent results.

> >

> >Jim VanMarter

> >Holistic Health and Wellness

> >http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands

> >(web site still under construction)

> 

> Excuse my ignorance, but isn't belladona just a teeny bit poisonous?  In

> what doses is it effective for such a treatment?

> 

> Matthew in Montgomery.

The homeopathic remedies are diluted to such a degree that they are not

posionous.  Recall that antibiotics in excess can harm rather than

help.  This is a safe remedy





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Subject: Re: Nervous Stomach

From: Jim VanMarter <jimvan@wilcoxent.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:38:54 GMT

--------

Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net> writes: > Matthew Givens wrote:

> > 

> > Jim VanMarter <jimvan@wilcoxent.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >NKSW39B@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens) writes: > Okay, I've had a nervous

> > stomach for the past 20 years or so, and I even

> > >> take drugs to minimize the effects.  Now, is there an herbal

> > alternative

> > >> to anti-spasmotics such as Hyoscyamine (Levsinex)?

> > >>

> > >> Matthew in Montgomery.

> > >>

> > >Try Belladona in homeopathic dosage.  I have suggested this to many of

> > my

> > >clients with excellent results.

> > >

> > >Jim VanMarter

> > >Holistic Health and Wellness

> > >http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands

> > >(web site still under construction)

> > 

> > Excuse my ignorance, but isn't belladona just a teeny bit poisonous?  In

> > what doses is it effective for such a treatment?

> > 

> > Matthew in Montgomery.

> The homeopathic remedies are diluted to such a degree that they are not

> posionous.  Recall that antibiotics in excess can harm rather than

> help.  This is a safe remedy



Belladona CAN be poisonous in high doses. The homeopathic dose which 

I recommend is dilution of belladona 6X, 10 drops in a full glass of

 water.  At this dose, the herb is QUITE safe, (thanks, Kaye) and

 exerts an anticholinergic effect.



Jim VanMarter





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Subject: Re: Nervous Stomach

From: "Ramon Salvatierra" <rasl97@telcel.net.ve>

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:23:27 -0400

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Hi

I think that you cant use Bach Flowers, mixed with belladona(homeopathic

dosage)

but is very Important to know if you have fear, anxiety or lack of trust,

I give to my patient Agrimony (#1)+Mimulus(#20)+Larch(#19), 4 drops under

the tonge 4 times a day.

The patients that I have been treated with this method won't have

new episodes.

If you want more Information write me or go to my personal site.



Ramon Salvatierra

rasl97@telcel.net.ve



http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7502/index.html









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Subject: Re: Nervous Stomach

From: donwiss@mo.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:23:52 GMT

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On 30 Dec 1997 03:02:45 GMT, NKSW39B@prodigy.com (Matthew Givens) wrote:



>Okay, I've had a nervous stomach for the past 20 years or so, and I even 

>take drugs to minimize the effects.



Have you investigated to see if a food you eat every day is causing the

problem? While dairy could be a cause, gluten is more likely, especially if

your ancestors are from Europe. To find out, a strict gluten-free diet need

only last a few days. For more see:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: Kaye Jefferies <kjefferi@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 07:31:31 GMT

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Brigitte Meister wrote:

> 

> chris and ken <kcmalan@escape.ca> schrieb im Beitrag

> <01bd12f4$a3889780$5189a1cf@ken>...

> > Ask your doctor just how much training he has in herbs and where he

> thinks

> > medications originally came from.  Unfortunately if you are ignorant to a

> > form of therapy you will not promote it.  Chiropractor is another therapy

> > that dr's shun.  I am in the health care field and I totally support the

> > use of herbs when used appropriately and under the guidance of a

> herbalist.

> >

> > TKousek <TheronK@impacttech.com> wrote in article

> > <67mb9i$8o0$1@newsin-1.starnet.net>...

> > > Anyone care to offer their opinion on the following:

> > >

> > > 1.   Why do many doctors tend to discredit the power of herbs?   Do

> they

> > > know something we don't

> > >        know?

> >

> >

> It's the same with homeopathic drugs and aromatherapy. They're all

> originally coming from herbs (not only, I know!). The main thing is: people

> ask for 'natural treatment' and most dr's don't know anything but say 'we

> cure in a natural way'

> just to hod the patient closely to their office.

> Especially in Germany, where many naturapaths work, this is a big problem

> for

> them.

> 

> Greetings

> 

> Brigitte

I think it is a matter of not receiving training in this area and also

an indoctrination that "miracle" drugs are how to treat ailments.  As a

society we tend to disparage simple ways of handling all types of

problems.  Also herbs take a while to kick in and thus it takes defined

studies to show their effect.  I have found herbs to be extremely

helpful to me in controlling a chronic disorder but caution needs to be

exercised.  You either need a herbalist to direct or you need to make

sure of what you are taking (ie licorice can cause blood pressure to

rise).  Also take into considerationb other herbs, medications you are

taking.  What a shame the medical profession does not embrace this





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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: Vicky <rcci@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:54:51 -0500

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Interesting. Both my GP and my dentist espouse the use of natural remedies

whenever

possible. My GP put me on St. John's Wort, when I tested out with depression.

When

I mentioned hearing about it, he ran off and got his copy of Natural Pharmacy out

of his

office! Shocked me, I'll tell you. Needless to say, I'm keeping this doctor! My

dentist and

I discussed herbal remedies for common ailments while he was checking out my

xrays....



And when my daughter and I went in to the GP with what turned out *not* to be

strep,

thank goodness, he sent us home with a sheet listing echinicea, goldenseal, zinc

tablets, and

vitamin C for the severe colds and sore throats, as well as horehound cough

drops.



Lucky in Raleigh



Vicky Rowe



Kenneth A. Morrison wrote:



> Eva Jung wrote:

>

> > TKousek wrote in message <67mb9i$8o0$1@newsin-1.starnet.net>...

> > >Anyone care to offer their opinion on the following:

> > >

> > >1.   Why do many doctors tend to discredit the power of herbs?   Do they

> > >know something we don't

> > >       know?

> > >

> >

> > Doctors discredit herbs because if everyone realised the benefits available

> > to public health in general through the medicinal and homeopathic use of

> > plants instead of/with  pharmaceuticals; then doctors, pharmacies,

> > pharmaceutical corporations, and hospitals would lose money. The reason is

> > greed.

> > Eva Jung

>

>  Eva is undoubtedly correct. They are losing money-therefore they want you to

> think its bogus.

> ~Kelly







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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: lilycloud@aol.com (LilyCloud)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 10:22:46 GMT

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It is quite funny how people who know little or nothing about a subject will

pretend to know everything if they have M.D. behind their name...I understand

that Doctor's want to discredit herbs to patients because they don't want us to

treat ourselves and get well, if everyone ate a healthy diet, exercised, and

treated themselves with herbs doctors would be like the Maytag man....

What really disturbs me is that a doctor would discount herbs as nothing and

put a patient at risk in the process...



When I was pregnant, I was was careful to read-up on herbs that could be

dangerous during prenancy and be sure to avoid them...some herbs could cause

miscarriage if taken while pregnant... Anyway , out of curiousity, I asked my

doctor if I should be careful about drinking herbal teas while pregnant and if

any of the herbs could be dangerous.....She was obviously not very knowledgable

about the subject, but answered me any way, stating that she knew of no reason

why I couldnt continue to take herbal teas of what ever variety....Ignorance is

no excuse in this case..she gave me bad advice just because she was to proud to

admit that she did not have much knowledge of the subject,....that bad advice

could have tradgic outcome for someone who did not know better...most people

trust their physicians...to much..







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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: mpacord@concentric.net

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:51:09 -0800

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LilyCloud wrote:

> 

> It is quite funny how people who know little or nothing about a subject will

> pretend to know everything if they have M.D. behind their name...I understand

> that Doctor's want to discredit herbs to patients because they don't want us to

> treat ourselves and get well, if everyone ate a healthy diet, exercised, and

> treated themselves with herbs doctors would be like the Maytag man....

> What really disturbs me is that a doctor would discount herbs as nothing and

> put a patient at risk in the process...

> 

> When I was pregnant, I was was careful to read-up on herbs that could be

> dangerous during prenancy and be sure to avoid them...some herbs could cause

> miscarriage if taken while pregnant... Anyway , out of curiousity, I asked my

> doctor if I should be careful about drinking herbal teas while pregnant and if

> any of the herbs could be dangerous.....She was obviously not very knowledgable

> about the subject, but answered me any way, stating that she knew of no reason

> why I couldnt continue to take herbal teas of what ever variety....Ignorance is

> no excuse in this case..she gave me bad advice just because she was to proud to

> admit that she did not have much knowledge of the subject,....that bad advice

> could have tradgic outcome for someone who did not know better...most people

> trust their physicians...to much..

Part of what you say is true, but it is also true that MD's are taught

that the purest form of anything is the best, not realizing the need for

the balance of the natural ingredients in herbs.  Doctors are trained to

see cause and effect, rather than balance.  Remember that Western

Scientific Medicine is still unquestionably the finest way in which to

approach acute problems, but is abysmally inadequate in trying to keep

you healthy.  On the other hand patients still expect doctors to reverse

or counteract the effects of their indiscretions. We each have

unrealistic expectations, in that we doctors expect patients to be

willing to make changes in the way they live, which most are not.

Perhaps a bit more realistic approach would be of help.  We must never

forget that we live IN, rather than ON TOP OF Nature.

	A Sympathetic MD ;-)>





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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: "Christi" <beanery@netcom.ca>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 23:11:44 EST

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mpacord@concentric.net wrote in article <34C119BD.11DB@concentric.net>...

> LilyCloud wrote:

> > 

> > It is quite funny how people who know little or nothing about a subject

will

> > pretend to know everything if they have M.D. behind their name...I

understand

> > that Doctor's want to discredit herbs to patients because they don't

want us to

> > treat ourselves and get well, if everyone ate a healthy diet,

exercised, and

> > 

> > 

> > When I was pregnant, I was was careful to read-up on herbs that could

be

> > dangerous during prenancy and be sure to avoid them...some herbs could

cause

> > miscarriage if taken while pregnant... Anyway , out of curiousity, I

asked my

> > doctor if I should be careful about drinking herbal teas while pregnant

and if

> > any of the herbs could be dangerous.....She was obviously not very

knowledgable

> > about the subject, but answered me any way, stating that she knew of no

reason

> > why I couldnt continue to take herbal teas of what ever

variety....Ignorance is

> > no excuse in this case..she gave me bad advice just because she was to

proud to

> > admit that she did not have much knowledge of the subject,....that bad

advice

> > could have tradgic outcome for someone who did not know better...most

people

> > trust their physicians...to much..

> Part of what you say is true, but it is also true that MD's are taught

> that the purest form of anything is the best, not realizing the need for

> the balance of the natural ingredients in herbs.  Doctors are trained to

> see cause and effect, rather than balance.  Remember that Western

> Scientific Medicine is still unquestionably the finest way in which to

> approach acute problems, but is abysmally inadequate in trying to keep

> you healthy.  On the other hand patients still expect doctors to reverse

> or counteract the effects of their indiscretions. We each have

> unrealistic expectations, in that we doctors expect patients to be

> willing to make changes in the way they live, which most are not.

> Perhaps a bit more realistic approach would be of help.  We must never

> forget that we live IN, rather than ON TOP OF Nature.

> 	A Sympathetic MD ;-)>

> 



I understand your logic that MD's are trained a certain way. I agree. But

that does not give them license to be ignorant to what goes on around them.

Naturopathic physicians are aware of many treatments/medicines, etc., used

by allopathic physicians. Why is that many MD's do not take the same

approach ? You could easily say, " go to a herbalist , if you want to know

about herbs". And we could. But when a MD prescribes treatment or medicine,

they have an obligation to their patients to ask questions about other

forms of treatment they are using. And if they don't know about it, they

should find out. If you read the post that you replied to, you would see

that it is a very grave situation  that this woman shares.  BTW, it has

been my experience that MD's do not expect me to make changes to my life.

They expect me to take a pill and if that doesn't work , take another one,

and so on and so on. I have yet to meet a medical doctor who even cares to

ask how I live my life. Not trying to bash anyone here, but the truth

hurts, sometimes.







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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:40:23 -0500

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Christi wrote in message <01bd23c7$84dbbfe0$d54eb5cf@default>...

>I understand your logic that MD's are trained a certain way. I agree. But

>that does not give them license to be ignorant to what goes on around them.





If you had to read even a tenth of the new research, publications and

official literature considered "required reading" by a conscientious

physician, you would quickly realize that there is absolutely no way for a

doctor to be aware of all the herbal information you seem to feel they

should have memorized.  The pressure on doctors to "keep up" in their own

fields is tremendous, and is one of the reasons for the unfortunate degree

of specialization in medicine today.  The tendancy for people to place the

blame for their physical problems, many of which are a direct result of

lifestyle choices, on people whose job it is to treat diseases is extremely

unfair.  Sure it would be nice to have one source to go to for all our

problems - that's God's job, not your MD's.  You say:



>Naturopathic physicians are aware of many treatments/medicines, etc., used

>by allopathic physicians. Why is that many MD's do not take the same

>approach ?



Would you expect your naturopath to be completely conversant with every

indication and reaction of all the thousands of prescription medicines on

the market today?  Or with the new techniques and research which pour into

the dozens of medical publications monthly?  Or with the hundreds of new

diagnostic procedures which appear every year?  It is hard enough for

doctors to keep up even in their own fields, and still have time to treat

the patients they have dedicated their lives to helping.  How unfair to

expect an MD to know everything about herbs, then!



>You could easily say, " go to a herbalist , if you want to know

>about herbs". And we could. But when a MD prescribes treatment or medicine,

>they have an obligation to their patients to ask questions about other

>forms of treatment they are using. And if they don't know about it, they

>should find out.



That's BS.  If they did, we would then start reading here about the pushy,

snoopy MD's who are trying to get us to quit taking our herbs!  No one who

really understands the power of herbs to heal wants that kind of control

placed over them.  With power comes responsibility.  We want that power of

choice over our own lives; do we really want our choices to be overseen by

people who study in other disciplines, some of whom are indeed openly

antagonistic to natural healing and self-medication?  When you see your

doctor, would you really want to have to enumerate every herbal tea and

dietary choice you have made since your last visit?



>If you read the post that you replied to, you would see

>that it is a very grave situation  that this woman shares.  BTW, it has

>been my experience that MD's do not expect me to make changes to my life.

>They expect me to take a pill and if that doesn't work , take another one,

>and so on and so on. I have yet to meet a medical doctor who even cares to

>ask how I live my life. Not trying to bash anyone here, but the truth

>hurts, sometimes.





This sounds to me like the same kind of thinking that leads parents to

expect the public schools to teach their children the morals and values they

will not take the time to teach themselves.  Doctors are doctors; their job

is to fight the microbes and do the surgeries and all the myriad of things

we *can't* do for ourselves.  They are not babysitters, and they cannot

reasonably be expected to question all our life choices; they will only be

criticized for it if they do!  We have to take responsibility for our own

choices.  Sorry, but that's life - no one else can live it for you.

Searching for someone to throw the blame on is a cop-out.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: "Christi" <beanery@netcom.ca>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 18:30:34 EST

--------



R.J. Ogden wrote

> 

> If you had to read even a tenth of the new research, publications and

> official literature considered "required reading" by a conscientious

> physician, you would quickly realize that there is absolutely no way for

a

> doctor to be aware of all the herbal information you seem to feel they

> should have memorized. 



I don't recall stating that doctors should memorize vast amounts of herbal

literature. MD's give pregnant women advice on nutrition and OTC

medications and have been for years. Last time I checked, herbal teas were

sold in the same store as these products and consumed by a large percentage

of the population. And I don't have to read " a tenth of the new research".

I have my own career, which keeps me busy reading industry literature 3

hours a day. THAT is my profession. And anything I can do ,to be better at

it, including listening to the needs of my client base, is welcomed.



 The pressure on doctors to "keep up" in their own

> fields is tremendous, and is one of the reasons for the unfortunate

degree

> of specialization in medicine today. 



If doctors can't handle the pressure than they should get out of the

office. Their profession is their choice. Every occupation has pressure to

"keep up". Big deal.





 The tendancy for people to place the

> blame for their physical problems, many of which are a direct result of

> lifestyle choices, on people whose job it is to treat diseases is

extremely

> unfair.  Sure it would be nice to have one source to go to for all our

> problems - that's God's job, not your MD's. 







My physical problems began when I was 15 years old. I didn't have a

LIFESTYLE. I was a student and my parents child. Their is no one to blame

for that. That is just life. Who is blaming , here?

I do have one place to go...and it ain't heaven. There is a clinic very

near to me that houses, naturopathic, allopathic, chiropractic,

osteopathic, counseling and orthopedic services. There is also a 24 gym and

a health food store. Pretty neat, huh? (Still waiting to see if God wants

to lease some space.)

:

I said:

> >Naturopathic physicians are aware of many treatments/medicines, etc.,

used

> >by allopathic physicians. Why is that many MD's do not take the same

> >approach ?





>You said:

> .  How unfair to

> expect an MD to know everything about herbs, then!



Hmmm....I don't think "many treatments/medications" can be translated to "

know everything about herbs". If you are going to paraphrase me , do it

correctly. BTW, I was talking about herbal teas, here. I don't think that

is obscure, uncommon knowledge.





 

> >You could easily say, " go to a herbalist , if you want to know

> >about herbs". And we could. But when a MD prescribes treatment or

medicine,

> >they have an obligation to their patients to ask questions about other

> >forms of treatment they are using. And if they don't know about it, they

> >should find out.

> 

> That's BS.  If they did, we would then start reading here about the

pushy,

> snoopy MD's who are trying to get us to quit taking our herbs! 



I would prefer that a "snoopy, pushy MD "convinced me to quit taking a

herb, than harm an unborn child. That is not BS.





You say:



> This sounds to me like the same kind of thinking that leads parents to

> expect the public schools to teach their children the morals and values

they

> will not take the time to teach themselves.  Doctors are doctors; their

job

> is to fight the microbes and do the surgeries and all the myriad of

things

> we *can't* do for ourselves.  They are not babysitters, and they cannot

> reasonably be expected to question all our life choices; they will only

be

> criticized for it if they do!  We have to take responsibility for our own

> choices.  Sorry, but that's life - no one else can live it for you.

> Searching for someone to throw the blame on is a cop-out.







If that is what this sound like, you were not listening. When I visit a

physician, I am HIRING her/him. If I don't like the service I have a right

to comment on it. No biggie....Many physicians work quite well with other

specialists, including naturopaths and herbalists. If that is the kind of

physician I wish to give my money to, then I will. THAT is taking

responsibility for my own choices. If you want to whine about how hard it

is to be an MD and how much pressure there is, you are wasting it on the

wrong person. When my customers ask me for knowledge or product I do not

have, I go out of my way to provide for them. I do not give them a lecture

on why I REALLY shouldn't have to do that and how I am not a babysitter. I

am providing a service that my customers pay for. AS do physicians. I can

expect whatever I want from them...it's my buck. If you think my

expectations are too high,  ignore me.







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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 06:21:03 GMT

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> Doctors are doctors; their

>job

>> is to fight the microbes and do the surgeries and all the myriad of

>things

>> we *can't* do for ourselves.  They are not babysitters, and they cannot

>> reasonably be expected to question all our life choices; they will only

>be

>> criticized for it if they do!  



I thought that doctors are also responsible for preventative measures...that

they are there for us BEFORE a serious illness occurs...Prevention includes

good self care, nutrition, herbs, exercise, meditation, chiropractic.  How many

doctors recommend any of those things when you go in for a check up and your

blood pressure is too high.  So you know of any doctors who recommend a

vegetarian diet to a patient who is obese?  Most mainstream doctors are too

quick to poo- poo alternative medicine and too quick to write out a

prescription. 



>If doctors can't handle the pressure than they should get out of the

>office. Their profession is their choice. Every occupation has pressure to

>"keep up". Big deal.

>

>



I totally agree with this comment.  In order for us to be the best at what we

do, we need to continuously educate ourselves on the current trends...no matter

what field we are in.  Given that mainstream shows like 20-20 and Datline are

doing more and more shows on herbs (ie. St. John's Wort and depression) that

society is becoming more open to alternative treatments.  It should be a part

of a physician's job to be current on these issues.   Yes, it is partly the job

ofthe patient to educate him'herself...however, not every patient is aware of

the options and trusts the doctor in appropriately.  Is this the *fault* of the

patient?

~debra~







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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:47 GMT

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Ask your friendly Ford salesman what he thinks about Chevrolet









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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: Tom Donnelly <tommyd@ptld.uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:30:56 -0800

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> That's BS.  If they did, we would then start reading here about the pushy,

> snoopy MD's who are trying to get us to quit taking our herbs!  No one who

> really understands the power of herbs to heal wants that kind of control

> placed over them.  With power comes responsibility.  We want that power of

> choice over our own lives; do we really want our choices to be overseen by

> people who study in other disciplines, some of whom are indeed openly

> antagonistic to natural healing and self-medication?  When you see your

> doctor, would you really want to have to enumerate every herbal tea and

> dietary choice you have made since your last visit?





Why not? A good naturopath will take the time to investigate everything that 

goes into their patients. They even investigate the treatments of other 

doctors; treatments they may not be immediately familiar with. They don't 

discredit another modality strictly because it lies outside their 

expertise. Sure, it takes longer than six minutes, but it's worth it. That is 

the responsibility a physician has to his/her patient; to help them become 

healthy...not fight microbes and please insurance companies. Moreover, if a 

patient does not like the advice of a physician then they have the power to 

ignore it. 



peace

Thomas (papa tom)





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Subject: Re: Why do doctors discredit herbs so much?

From: Dave Dix <dadixx@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:08:04 -0600

--------





LilyCloud wrote:



> It is quite funny how people who know little or nothing about a subject will

> pretend to know everything if they have M.D. behind their name...I understand

> that Doctor's want to discredit herbs to patients because they don't want us to

> treat ourselves and get well, if everyone ate a healthy diet, exercised, and

> treated themselves with herbs doctors would be like the Maytag man....

> What really disturbs me is that a doctor would discount herbs as nothing and

> put a patient at risk in the process...

>

> When I was pregnant, I was was careful to read-up on herbs that could be

> dangerous during prenancy and be sure to avoid them...some herbs could cause

> miscarriage if taken while pregnant... Anyway , out of curiousity, I asked my

> doctor if I should be careful about drinking herbal teas while pregnant and if

> any of the herbs could be dangerous.....She was obviously not very knowledgable

> about the subject, but answered me any way, stating that she knew of no reason

> why I couldnt continue to take herbal teas of what ever variety....Ignorance is

> no excuse in this case..she gave me bad advice just because she was to proud to

> admit that she did not have much knowledge of the subject,....that bad advice

> could have tradgic outcome for someone who did not know better...most people

> trust their physicians...to much..



  This isn't a reply just to your post, LilyCloud.

It is an interesting discusssion and covers many salient points regarding allopathy

and herbs.



I have CHF and have been treated for the last two months at the VA hospital in

Minneapolis. NEarly every doctor in the hospital is an instructor or med stucent or

better at the University on Minnesota, one of the best hospitals in the country,

which supplies the recruits for Mayo Clinic as well as the VA. You would think,

being denizens of one of the most corporate of University hospitals, they would be

strongly anti-herb or alternative medicine.



The opposite has been true in my case. Every physician I have talked to about my

case has responded, typically, with "whatever works".  These physicians are all  on

salary, so their practices is not threatened.



Several of the physicians are from countries where herbal care is dominant --

India, Jamaica, Russia, China, etc.  I have spoken with length with several of them

regarding herbs: There response generally is:



Herbs are good; but the problem is standardization of the levels of their active

ingredients.  It is not safe, they believe , to take medicines which cannot

guarantee specific levels of  active agent from dose to dose.



I have been taking herbs and other nutrient treatments for my CHF as well as

allopathic medicines.  For some aspects of my condition, alternatives  have been

very effective; for others they have produced no effect at all.   But, my

physicians  have recommended yoga, acupuncture, chi kung, chelation therapy,

careful use of herbal and nutrients meditation  and Dossey's prayer techniques.

And they encouraged my exploring the Internet to educate myself in regard to my

condition and lifestyle changes I need to make AND some have given me email

adresses to send them info as I acquire it.



The point of my verbose post is that many physicians are open to alternative

approaches to traditional therapies but are nervous about using them where the

science is weak.



Just a note: Sandoz is working with the Chinese government and TCM experts to

produce a line of phramocologicals which can be used by TCM practioners.  This is

being done because  the Yang-Tse (phonetic) dam project threatens thousands of

herbs with extinction.



Dave Dix



















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Subject: Essiac Dosage and questions, please help!

From: "TKousek" <TheronK@impacttech.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:35:44 -0600

--------

Hello All:



I have been taking Essiac(actually Flor-Essance as they told me it's the

same thing and has the same 4 herbs as Essiac) for about 2 weeks now...   I

am recovering from throat surgery where benign throat tumors were removed...

I am using Essiac for preventive measures as the doctor told me therer was

activity in my throat, but in an infected way and not in a malignant way...

See, I used to chew tobacco and have quit 3 months ago and I am convinced

the chew caused my throat tumors...   I have completely changed my lifestyle

and am in fear that a malignant cancer could strike me if I'm not careful as

he (my doctor) told me the same thing...    Now that I have quit chewing

tobacco FOREVER, I want to do my best to make the infection and irritated

activity in my throat heal up...   This is why I am taking the Essiac...

Since my throat still feels funny (throbbing pain every now and then and now

the itching), I am still a little nervous, but my doctor assured me that I

should be ok (or so he thinks).   I plan on taking Essiac every day for 6

months and then once a week afterwards...



Here's my questions:

1.   Is it dangerous to take too much Essiac?

2.   What is the recommended dosage and for how long??   (ie, how many

ounces a day and how many months do you take it daily before you switch to a

once a week maintenance!!!)

3.  What REALLY REALLY bothers me about Essiac (Flor-Essance) is that I have

been reading so many testimonials about the many cancers that have been

cured by Essiac...   Yet, the doctors continue to credit the cures to other

factors rather than the Essiac..  However, on the internet, I have read over

100 case stories of miraculous cancer cures by Essiac and I am believing

that "Essiac" REALLY works and starting to lose a little confidence in

doctors...     I hope I'm not taking this "Essiac" in vein and I hope all of

the tremendous healing stories about Essiac were all 100% true...     I'd

like to believe that...  Anyone care to comment?



I don't know how much to take...  The instructions said for "for max

results, take 2 2oz  servings of Essiac a day"...   Therefore, I am taking 2

cups of Essiac for a total of 4oz per day...    I drink a cup in the morning

2 hours before breakfast and in the evening 2 hours after my dinner...



Miraculously, I guess it's way too early to tell, my throat is itching alot

more now than ever which is a sign of healing so I hope continued use of

this Essiac may in-fact help me out!!!!



After 9 days of this *double* dosage, I really have not observed any side

effects...   And other than my throat itching alot more (hopefully the sign

of healing) I cannot say that I feel any better after taking this...  The

itching and healing might have occurred now even if I was not taking Essiac

so it's hard to say if the Essiac is helping the healing any faster!!!  But

since I'm scared about what has happened to my throat in the past 6-8 weeks,

I am grabbing onto hope that Essiac may help me...    Even though my tumors

were benign and even though I quit chewing tobacco 3 months ago forever, I'm

still not convinced that I am now safe from getting cancer related to

chewing tobacco as my doctor wants to see me every 8 weeks for a few months

to check me out!!!  So you can see why I'm scared and really gung-ho about

using this Essiac (or Flor-Essance)...



Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated!!!



Sincerely,

Theron Kousek



Please email me at TheronK@impacttech.com or theronk@nothnbut.net as well as

this newsgroup...



--

Life's too short so try and enjoy it.









==========

Subject: Re: Essiac Dosage and questions, please help!

From: "tjohnson" <tjohnson@xxxop9.com  remove xxx>

Date: 1 Jan 1998 20:25:13 GMT

--------





TKousek <TheronK@impacttech.com> wrote in article

<68gr8s$4lk$1@newsin-1.starnet.net>...

> Hello All:

> 

> I have been taking Essiac(actually Flor-Essance as they told me it's the

> same thing and has the same 4 herbs as Essiac) for about 2 weeks now...  

I

>snip>



> 3.  What REALLY REALLY bothers me about Essiac (Flor-Essance) is that I

have

> been reading so many testimonials about the many cancers that have been

> cured by Essiac...   Yet, the doctors continue to credit the cures to

other

> factors rather than the Essiac..  However, on the internet, I have read

over

> 100 case stories of miraculous cancer cures by Essiac and I am believing

> that "Essiac" REALLY works and starting to lose a little confidence in

> doctors...     I hope I'm not taking this "Essiac" in vein and I hope all

of

> the tremendous healing stories about Essiac were all 100% true...     I'd

> like to believe that...  Anyone care to comment?

> snip>



You have hit on what bothers me also.  I looked at Essiac on the web and

got a different perspective than you did.  There are several different

groups peddling what they call Essiac, and they are arriving at the formula

in different ways - 1 even says they are the only 1 that can has the

original formula.  All that I saw were saying to take so many days - then

not take so many days, so be carefull about how much of that stuff you

drink - you might have more problems than you already have.



Now - as for the testomonials of all the cures - guess where you found

these testomonials?  I'll tell you and you can go back and check it out. 

The cures talked about are on the same web pages of the people selling you

this stuff.



I decided to take my chances the conventional way.  I have full confidence

in my doctors, and if I didn't, I'd change doctors - but don't think I

could bring myself to rely on Essiac.   By the way, there is probably less

than a dimes worth of herbs in each bottle you are buying.



Tom



> I don't know how much to take...  The instructions said for "for max

> results, take 2 2oz  servings of Essiac a day"...   Therefore, I am

taking 2

> cups of Essiac for a total of 4oz per day...    I drink a cup in the

morning

> 2 hours before breakfast and in the evening 2 hours after my dinner...

> 

> Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated!!!

> 

> Sincerely,

> Theron Kousek

> 

> Please email me at TheronK@impacttech.com or theronk@nothnbut.net as well 





==========

Subject: Re: Essiac Dosage and questions, please help!

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:41:51 GMT

--------

Yes, it can be dangerous to take herbs too much or in the wrong

doseages.  Just as taking too much of conventional medications can do

you harm.  Follow the instructions.  With either one, twice as much

isn't often twice as good, and may be less than half as good, if not

outright harmful.



Conventional medicine works well enough in many cases.  That's what

they (doctors) know and do.  Many don't know herbs and therefore don't

use or trust them.  Testimonials are pretty useless.  Coincidence,

other factors, who knows what all, can influence healing or illness.

You can get testimonials for anything.  Like taking arsenic to make

your hair shine and your complexion become clear and glowing.  Which

does work, btw, it just kills you from the other affects.  I, for

instance, can tesify that drinking a martini before a high fat dinner

helped me avoid gall bladder attacks (when I still had a gall

bladder), but I can't say I'd recommend it to anyone else.  Also,

remember, these voluntary testimonials come only from those for whom

the treatment worked.  



This is not to say you should stop taking Essiac.  Just take your

formulation according to the directions given with it.  Formulas vary

and therefore how they're used varies.



Your doctor is wanting you back for checkups just because that's what

they do.  They keep track of people who tend  to tumors, even benign

ones.  Try not to let it worry you too much.  It's just the way

medicince is done and a good idea in their experience.



And thank you for being the one in a thousand who spells preventive

properly.  I'm so used to seeing and hearing 'preventative' and

wanting to scream that it's a delight to see someone get it right.







On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:35:44 -0600, "TKousek" <TheronK@impacttech.com>

wrote:



>Hello All:

>

>I have been taking Essiac(actually Flor-Essance as they told me it's the

>same thing and has the same 4 herbs as Essiac) for about 2 weeks now...   I

>am recovering from throat surgery where benign throat tumors were removed...

>I am using Essiac for preventive measures as the doctor told me therer was

>activity in my throat, but in an infected way and not in a malignant way...

>See, I used to chew tobacco and have quit 3 months ago and I am convinced

>the chew caused my throat tumors...   I have completely changed my lifestyle

>and am in fear that a malignant cancer could strike me if I'm not careful as

>he (my doctor) told me the same thing...    Now that I have quit chewing

>tobacco FOREVER, I want to do my best to make the infection and irritated

>activity in my throat heal up...   This is why I am taking the Essiac...

>Since my throat still feels funny (throbbing pain every now and then and now

>the itching), I am still a little nervous, but my doctor assured me that I

>should be ok (or so he thinks).   I plan on taking Essiac every day for 6

>months and then once a week afterwards...

>

>Here's my questions:

>1.   Is it dangerous to take too much Essiac?

>2.   What is the recommended dosage and for how long??   (ie, how many

>ounces a day and how many months do you take it daily before you switch to a

>once a week maintenance!!!)

>3.  What REALLY REALLY bothers me about Essiac (Flor-Essance) is that I have

>been reading so many testimonials about the many cancers that have been

>cured by Essiac...   Yet, the doctors continue to credit the cures to other

>factors rather than the Essiac..  However, on the internet, I have read over

>100 case stories of miraculous cancer cures by Essiac and I am believing

>that "Essiac" REALLY works and starting to lose a little confidence in

>doctors...     I hope I'm not taking this "Essiac" in vein and I hope all of

>the tremendous healing stories about Essiac were all 100% true...     I'd

>like to believe that...  Anyone care to comment?

>

>I don't know how much to take...  The instructions said for "for max

>results, take 2 2oz  servings of Essiac a day"...   Therefore, I am taking 2

>cups of Essiac for a total of 4oz per day...    I drink a cup in the morning

>2 hours before breakfast and in the evening 2 hours after my dinner...

>

>Miraculously, I guess it's way too early to tell, my throat is itching alot

>more now than ever which is a sign of healing so I hope continued use of

>this Essiac may in-fact help me out!!!!

>

>After 9 days of this *double* dosage, I really have not observed any side

>effects...   And other than my throat itching alot more (hopefully the sign

>of healing) I cannot say that I feel any better after taking this...  The

>itching and healing might have occurred now even if I was not taking Essiac

>so it's hard to say if the Essiac is helping the healing any faster!!!  But

>since I'm scared about what has happened to my throat in the past 6-8 weeks,

>I am grabbing onto hope that Essiac may help me...    Even though my tumors

>were benign and even though I quit chewing tobacco 3 months ago forever, I'm

>still not convinced that I am now safe from getting cancer related to

>chewing tobacco as my doctor wants to see me every 8 weeks for a few months

>to check me out!!!  So you can see why I'm scared and really gung-ho about

>using this Essiac (or Flor-Essance)...

>

>Any help on these questions would be greatly appreciated!!!

>

>Sincerely,

>Theron Kousek

>

>Please email me at TheronK@impacttech.com or theronk@nothnbut.net as well as

>this newsgroup...

>

>--

>Life's too short so try and enjoy it.

>

>



-------



"If I die of curiosity, who will entertain you with naive questions?"

 

 I only answer my mail on an average of once every two months.  Be patient.



 http://www.visi.com/~cyli/





==========

Subject: High Blood Pressure

From: "JIM" <NSflea@gate.net>

Date: 1 Jan 1998 21:42:44 GMT

--------

Anyone know of herbs for high blood pressure and dosage





==========

Subject: Re: High Blood Pressure

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:52:17 GMT

--------

garlic garlic garlic

just a bunch of it raw all the time with food

maybe kyolic odorless garlic supplements

enjoy - it's a pleasureable herb  to use



On 1 Jan 1998 21:42:44 GMT, "JIM" <NSflea@gate.net> wrote:



>Anyone know of herbs for high blood pressure and dosage







==========

Subject: Re: High Blood Pressure

From: vip@yours.com (HowardB)

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 03:57:39 GMT

--------

I have been taking 1200mg of Kyolic Garlic suplements (thats 2

capsules, twice a day).  It has helped control my pressure, and I saw

results very quickly after starting to take them.





==========

Subject: Jethro Kloss

From: Jim VanMarter <jimvan@wilcoxent.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 21:43:50 GMT

--------

Are there any Jethro Kloss fans out there (besides me)  The man is

 my GURU and I just wondered if anyone else felt the same way.



Jim VanMarter

Holistic Health and Wellness

http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands





==========

Subject: Re: Jethro Kloss

From: "Peter Trappen" <ptrappen@gate.net>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 17:14:35 GMT

--------

His book "Back to Eden" should be required reading. It's my bible.





==========

Subject: Re: Jethro Kloss

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:37:39 -0500

--------

Peter Trappen wrote in message <01bd1b8f$e8b214a0$947de3c7@fpfzqlga>...

>His book "Back to Eden" should be required reading. It's my bible.



I also ran into Kloss early in my personal investigations of herbal

medicine, and found a lot of good common sense along with the herbal

recommendations.  Kloss was one of those whose knowledge of herbs was

founded strongly on experience, at a time when the opportunities for

scientific investigations into herbal properties were limited.  As a result,

IMHO his work naturally suffers from a bit of the wishful thinking and

idealism of the times (especially in regard to treatments for some of the

more serious diseases, like cancer).  On the other hand, his practical

recommendations for daily living, diet, and simple remedies for common

maladies, and his emphasis on health through internal cleansing and

nutrition makes this book valuable reading and a must for any serious

traditional herbalists bookshelf.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea Question

From: "K. Gaynor & D. Silverberg" <Kathy_Gaynor@bc.sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 14:15:58 -0800

--------

kp_french@conknet.com wrote:

> 

> If you have any room aroun your house plant Purple coneflower a.k.a.

> Echinacea purpuria Take the 3rd yr root, put it in 80 proof alcohol for

> 6wk, put a 1/2 a cap full in juice once a day, good to go.

> 1st 2 yrs use leaves and and stems to make your tincture. Prune plants

> to save the biggest flower heads to plant that fall/next spring use

> stems and leaves to make tea. Ech. is a tonic once the body get too much

> of it, it will get rid of it thru the urine tract.



I have tried to make my own Echinacea extract using the following

instructions, but I get a white substance settling on the bottom of the

jar.  Is it safe to use the extract with this substance on the bottom? 

I don't want to take it for fear that something dreadful will happen to

me. Please give me some advice.



Sincerely,

Kathy





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea Question

From: kp_french@conknet.com

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:57:23 -0500

--------

> I have tried to make my own Echinacea extract using the following

> instructions, but I get a white substance settling on the bottom of the

> jar.  Is it safe to use the extract with this substance on the bottom?

> I don't want to take it for fear that something dreadful will happen to

> me. Please give me some advice.

> 

> Sincerely,

> Kathy





I get a sediment in my bottles also. I general shake the bottle before I

use the tincture. If are worried about it careful pour off the top or

siphin(sp?) off the ticture. 



mouser







==========

Subject: Re: Preventive Cancer herbs

From: "Ramon Salvatierra" <rasl97@telcel.net.ve>

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:08:01 -0400

--------

Hello

I'm a Venezuelan acupunturist and Bach flower therapist, I would like to

know, if you have some experience with "Mapurite" and claw's cat ,uncaria

tormentosa as a preventive Cancer treatment.

Ramon Salvatierra

rasl97@telcel.net.ve

http://www.true.net/~sramon/home.htm

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7502/index.html



>On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 03:56:58 GMT, larry@ask.net (Larry) wrote:

>

>>Hello:

>>I am NOT a doctor, use this information at your own risk:

>>

>>>Are there any known *healing* herbs out there that aid in healing an

>>>extremely sore throat after surgery?

>>

>>Sage tea is a good throat healer, for me.

>>

>>>there that have been known to prevent cancer?

>>>I was afraid to ask my doctor this question as I got the feeling that he

did

>>>not believe in the power of herbs...    For some reason, it seems that

many

>>>doctors or people in the med-profession shrug and laugh at herbs as

healing

>>>agents...    I don't know why?

>>

>>Well, they simply don't know herbs then, do they?  Study chapparal - a

>>controversial herb that the fda tried to ban.  History has show it to

>>work.  NOTE:  It caused liver problems for a few people, because they

>>DRANK IT TOO STRONG, overtaxing their liver.  DON'T make this mistake.

>>But chapparal is an interesting herb against cancer.  Always study an

>>herb before using it, and make careful decisions for yourself.

>









==========

Subject: acute renal failure

From: "Ramon Salvatierra" <rasl97@telcel.net.ve>

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 19:11:26 -0400

--------

Happy New Year:

There is someone who can help me know what kind of herbs are usefull as a

helper in acute renal failure.

Just as academic question.

please reply to my address.



Thanks in advance.





--

Ramon Salvatierra

rasl97@telcel.net.ve

http://www.true.net/~sramon/home.htm

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7502/index.html









==========

Subject: lemongrass leaves

From: sharon <shar992@postoffice.ptd.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 23:16:31 GMT

--------

Can anyone offer me any information on medicinal uses of lemongrass

leaves? And the preparation of the leaves.  I know the culinary use of

the bulb etc., but I read there are properties in the leaves also.  

Thanks







==========

Subject: Re: lemongrass leaves

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:52:27 -0500

--------

Dear Sharon,



Lemongrass leaves used medicinally as anticlotting, and stimulant.

just cut the leaves to small pieces, then boil it for about 10 minutes,

strain and drink it as tea with or without sugar.

if you need any other information about herbs, just contact me.



Have a nice cup of tea!!!



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: Re: lemongrass leaves

From: William Groth <groth@ruf.rice.edu>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:32:39 -0600

--------

Another culinary use that I wish to try is to wrap leaves around a fish

filet and grill the fish

on the grill. I think the lemony flavor of this grass will then permiate

the fish.



Sabry Alsharkawi wrote:



> Dear Sharon,

>

> Lemongrass leaves used medicinally as anticlotting, and stimulant.

> just cut the leaves to small pieces, then boil it for about 10 minutes,

> strain and drink it as tea with or without sugar.

> if you need any other information about herbs, just contact me.

>

> Have a nice cup of tea!!!

>

> --

> Sabry Alsharkawi

> 6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

> Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

> Phone:  540-347-4747

> Fax:      540-347-4646

> e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com











==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 16:55:22 -0800

--------

Kate wrote:

 

> Herbalgram reported that drinking tea with milk nullifies the antioxidant

> benefits, because the milk proteins hook up to the polyphenols.



This recent news, which may be true, is interesting because it is at

cross purposes with another study which I remember vividly from the

early 80's. In that study, it was concluded that drinking tea *without*

milk was why the Dutch stomach cancer rate was far higher than that of

the English. 





--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

All personal comments do not represent the views of anyone from:

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension of the 

healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research, innovative 

ideas and practical methods.





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 17:06:27 -0800

--------

Kate wrote:



> > By the way, is this the study Herbalgram cites?



> > Eur J Clin Nutr 1996 Jan;50(1):28-32

> > "In vivo antioxidant effect of green and black tea in man."

> > Serafini M, Ghiselli A, Ferro-Luzzi A



>   You got it.

 

> > If there are other studies on this issue I'd like to know

> > about them. I'm a big fan of green tea.



Here another that says much the same thing:



Am J Clin Nutr 1997 May;65(5):1489-1494 

Antioxidant flavonols and ischemic heart disease in a Welsh population

of men: the Caerphilly Study.

Hertog MG, Sweetnam PM, Fehily AM, Elwood PC, Kromhout D



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

All personal comments do not represent the views of anyone from:

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension of the 

healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research, innovative 

ideas and practical methods.





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Brian Manning Delaney <bmdelaney@notarealaddr.ess>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:37:21 -0500

--------

Tom Matthews wrote:

> 

> Kate wrote:

> 

> > Herbalgram reported that drinking tea with milk

> > nullifies the antioxidant benefits, because the

> > milk proteins hook up to the polyphenols.

> 

> This recent news, which may be true, is interesting

> because it is at

> cross purposes with another study which I

> remember vividly from the

> early 80's. In that study, it was concluded that

> drinking tea *without*

> milk was why the Dutch stomach cancer rate was far

> higher than that of

> the English.





Hot liquids are thought to cause mouth, esophageal, stomach,

etc., cancers. Not so surprising.



Guess: the milk cools the tea down a bit for the English.



Myself, I always pop in an ice cube after the tea is

finished steeping.



Brian.

--

Brian Manning Delaney

My email address is here:

http://xyz.uchicago.edu/users/bmdelane/email.htm

[Wrists: "Leave unambiguous typos."]

Note: All statements in this article are in jest; they

are not statements of fact.

"Mein Genie ist in meinen Nuestern." -Nietzsche.

** Please do not CC your Usenet articles to me. I'll find

them.





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: dw <davidwms@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 00:55:19 -0600

--------

 Kate wrote:



>  > Herbalgram reported that drinking tea with milk

>  > nullifies the antioxidant benefits, because the

>  > milk proteins hook up to the polyphenols.



Tannic acid is tea is known to cause esophageal cancer.  Adding milk to

the tea reduces the danger because the milk binds the tannic acid and

makes it insoluble.



Dave Williams

http://www.serve.com/licorice







==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: roadkill@super.zippo.com (Roadkill On Rye)

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 06:33:22 GMT

--------

dw <davidwms@ix.netcom.com>  made the following comments in

sci.med.nutrition:

 

>Tannic acid is tea is known to cause esophageal cancer.  Adding milk to

>the tea reduces the danger because the milk binds the tannic acid and

>makes it insoluble.



To get the maximum benefit from green tea while reducing the above risk,

use the tea leaves only once; don't try to save money by repeatedly

drawing tea from the same leaves. As I noted earlier, the people of

Shizuoka, Japan, who drink more tea than anyone, have the lowest cancer

rates in Japan.

--

roadkill

"Do not assume that because I am frivolous I am shallow; I don't

assume that because you are grave you are profound."

-- Sydney Smith





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 14:41:11 -0500

--------

Roadkill wrote:

> 

> dw <davidwms@ix.netcom.com>  made the following comments in

> sci.med.nutrition:

> 

> >Tannic acid is tea is known to cause esophageal cancer.  Adding milk to

> >the tea reduces the danger because the milk binds the tannic acid and

> >makes it insoluble.

> 

> To get the maximum benefit from green tea while reducing the above risk,

> use the tea leaves only once; don't try to save money by repeatedly

> drawing tea from the same leaves. As I noted earlier, the people of

> Shizuoka, Japan, who drink more tea than anyone, have the lowest cancer

> rates in Japan.

> --

> roadkill

> "Do not assume that because I am frivolous I am shallow; I don't

> assume that because you are grave you are profound."

> -- Sydney Smith





Would anyone have any info. on the difference between "gunshot" green

tea and regular green tea?  Are they both 'camelia sinensis'?  I'm

planning on trying to grow my own - any advice from one who has tried it

would be greatly appreciated!



Anne





==========

To: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: asmodeus@erols.com

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 04:31:36 -0500

--------





Anne Rocchio wrote:



>

>

> Would anyone have any info. on the difference between "gunshot" green

> tea and regular green tea?



Uh are your referring perhaps to gunpowder green tea?



Asmo



> Are they both 'camelia sinensis'?  I'm

> planning on trying to grow my own - any advice from one who has tried it

> would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Anne











==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:30:48 -0600

--------

Gunshot is lightly fermented were as black tea is fully fermented.  Green

tea is not fermented at all.  This making Gunshot somewhere between green

and black.



Anne Rocchio wrote in message <34B52BD7.7BB6@sympatico.ca>...

>Roadkill wrote:

>>

>> dw <davidwms@ix.netcom.com>  made the following comments in

>> sci.med.nutrition:

>>

>> >Tannic acid is tea is known to cause esophageal cancer.  Adding milk to

>> >the tea reduces the danger because the milk binds the tannic acid and

>> >makes it insoluble.

>>

>> To get the maximum benefit from green tea while reducing the above risk,

>> use the tea leaves only once; don't try to save money by repeatedly

>> drawing tea from the same leaves. As I noted earlier, the people of

>> Shizuoka, Japan, who drink more tea than anyone, have the lowest cancer

>> rates in Japan.

>> --

>> roadkill

>> "Do not assume that because I am frivolous I am shallow; I don't

>> assume that because you are grave you are profound."

>> -- Sydney Smith

>

>

>Would anyone have any info. on the difference between "gunshot" green

>tea and regular green tea?  Are they both 'camelia sinensis'?  I'm

>planning on trying to grow my own - any advice from one who has tried it

>would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Anne









==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:32:22 -0500

--------



Anne Rocchio wrote in message <34B52BD7.7BB6@sympatico.ca>...

>

>Would anyone have any info. on the difference between "gunshot" green

>tea and regular green tea?  Are they both 'camelia sinensis'?  I'm

>planning on trying to grow my own - any advice from one who has tried it

>would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Anne



I assume you mean "gunpowder" green tea.  I seem to recall that "gunpowder"

tea is made by dry-roasting regular green tea.  I'm not sure how that would

affect the antioxidant properties, if that's what you're after.  Why don't

you try the rec.food.drink.tea newsgroup?  They may have more information on

preparation or even cultivation.



-RJO











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To: davidwms@ix.netcom.com

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: "Jonathan, Andrew, or Lina" <barnhaus@mediaone.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 16:55:56 +0000

--------

Tea does not contain tannic acid.  The "tannins" in tea are polyphenol

compounds. 



There are a few studies linking tea (black) with increased risk of

cancer. There are even more studies linking green tea with a reduced

risk for cancer of the esophaegus.  One confounding factor is the

consumption of hot beverages, which may damage cells and increase cancer

in the mouth and esophagus independent of any chemicals in the brew.

Also, the polyphenols in black tea are quite different from those in

green tea - the fermentation process for blackening tea oxidizes and

condenses the polyphenols. 



Jonathan 





> 

> Tannic acid is tea is known to cause esophageal cancer.  Adding milk to

> the tea reduces the danger because the milk binds the tannic acid and

> makes it insoluble.

> 

> Dave Williams

> http://www.serve.com/licorice





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Subject: Re: Green tea

From: roadkill@super.zippo.com (Roadkill On Rye)

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 02:19:10 GMT

--------

Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>  made the following comments in

sci.med.nutrition:

 

>Kate wrote:

> 

>> Herbalgram reported that drinking tea with milk nullifies the antioxidant

>> benefits, because the milk proteins hook up to the polyphenols.

>

>This recent news, which may be true, is interesting because it is at

>cross purposes with another study which I remember vividly from the

>early 80's. In that study, it was concluded that drinking tea *without*

>milk was why the Dutch stomach cancer rate was far higher than that of

>the English. 



Of course, the Dutch do not drink green tea. However, it is heavily

consumed by the people of Shizuoka, Japan, which has among the lowest

cancer rates (including stomach) cancer in Japan. And I can assure you

no one in Shizuoka would ever think of putting milk in that green tea.

--

roadkill





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:06:41 -0800

--------

Roadkill On Rye wrote:

 

> Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>  made the following comments in

> sci.med.nutrition:



> >This recent news, which may be true, is interesting because it is at

> >cross purposes with another study which I remember vividly from the

> >early 80's. In that study, it was concluded that drinking tea *without*

> >milk was why the Dutch stomach cancer rate was far higher than that of

> >the English.

 

> Of course, the Dutch do not drink green tea. However, it is heavily

> consumed by the people of Shizuoka, Japan, which has among the lowest

> cancer rates (including stomach) cancer in Japan. And I can assure you

> no one in Shizuoka would ever think of putting milk in that green tea.



Yes, certainly my comments applied to regular english-type tea.

(BTW, I have looked and cannot find any such study or paper as I recall

reading about.)

But even though the message subject was "green tea", I was ignoring the

"green", since, as you infer, why on earth would anyone ever think of

puting milk or whitener of any kind into green tea?



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

All personal comments do not represent the views of anyone from:

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension of the 

healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research, innovative 

ideas and practical methods.





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Subject: Re: Green tea

From: "Kate" <klindner@jlc.net>

Date: 4 Jan 1998 06:31:29 GMT

--------

> But even though the message subject was "green tea", I was ignoring the

> "green", since, as you infer, why on earth would anyone ever think of

> puting milk or whitener of any kind into green tea?

> 

> --Tom 

  Actually. the study tested both black and green tea.  Both raised peoples

antioxidant levels and both were nullified by milk.



  It suggests a lot of other questions like :



      Does coffee with milk nullify the anti-oxidants in coffee?



      What about red wine and cheese at the same time?



      What should chocolate be mixed with in baking?



       Does decaffeinating coffee remove anti-oxidants?



   The good news is that these delicious things have anti-oxidants.  The

bad news is that we know so little about how to incorporate them into our

lifestyle.



                                                                           

                    Kate







==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: oberon@vcn.bc.ca (Doug Skrecky)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 21:08:04 GMT

--------

Kate (klindner@jlc.net) wrote:

:       Does coffee with milk nullify the anti-oxidants in coffee?

:       What about red wine and cheese at the same time?

:       What should chocolate be mixed with in baking?

:

About chocolate - I spotted the following bit in the December 31,1997

issue of the Globe & Mail newspaper:



  Jeanne Calment, 122 the oldest person whose age is verified by official

documents. She was 14 years older than the Eiffel Tower and the French

studied her habits to determine the secrets of her longevity. She used to

eat nearly a kilogram of chocolate a week and treat her skin with olive

oil. She rode a bicycle until she was 100, and quit smoking at 117. She

retained her wit. Her best bon mot was probably, "I've never had but one

wrinkle, and I'm sitting on it".





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: Manuel Makarevitch <manu@ikarios.com>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 03:29:18 +0100

--------

 Doug Skrecky writes:



> Kate (klindner@jlc.net) wrote:

> :       Does coffee with milk nullify the anti-oxidants in coffee?

> :       What about red wine and cheese at the same time?

> :       What should chocolate be mixed with in baking?

> :

> About chocolate - I spotted the following bit in the December 31,1997

> issue of the Globe & Mail newspaper:



>  Jeanne Calment, 122 the oldest person whose age is verified by official

> documents. She was 14 years older than the Eiffel Tower and the French

> studied her habits to determine the secrets of her longevity. She used to

> eat nearly a kilogram of chocolate a week and treat her skin with olive

> oil. She rode a bicycle until she was 100, and quit smoking at 117. She

> retained her wit. Her best bon mot was probably, "I've never had but one

> wrinkle, and I'm sitting on it".



She also drank a little alcohol (was it port?) everyday.



-- 

Manuel

http://www.ikarios.com

(French Web site - site en francais : produits, infos)





==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:06:44 -0500

--------



Tom Matthews wrote in message <34AC3AFA.1834@netcom.ca>...

>Kate wrote:

>

>> Herbalgram reported that drinking tea with milk nullifies the antioxidant

>> benefits, because the milk proteins hook up to the polyphenols.

>

>This recent news, which may be true, is interesting because it is at

>cross purposes with another study which I remember vividly from the

>early 80's. In that study, it was concluded that drinking tea *without*

>milk was why the Dutch stomach cancer rate was far higher than that of

>the English.

>

>

>--Tom

>Tom Matthews



But, Tom, I believe that study was on *black* tea, not green tea.  There may

be something in the fermentation process responsible for the observed

effect.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Green tea

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 01:04:28 GMT

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:





>But, Tom, I believe that study was on *black* tea, not green tea.  There may

>be something in the fermentation process responsible for the observed

>effect.



Was _anyone_ able to locate any study showing a correlation between

higher cancer rates and black tea (without milk) consumption?



Actually there's no way on earth I would put milk in one of my invoice

black-teas.... It would also be interesting to know exactly what kind

of black tea was employed, I could imagine there are huge differences

depending on origin and processing.



Mike







.-------------------------------------.

| Mike Braben, TAC Ethnobotanicals    |

| E-Mail: alcastellosa@access.ch      |

| http://www.madlex.com/tac/ethno.htm |

'-------------------------------------'









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Subject: Re: Willow bark & foxglove

From: garden@cybercomm.net (J. Nuzzo)

Date: 2 Jan 1998 03:06:37 GMT

--------

In article <34A95624.3ACC@full-moon.com>, Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com> says:

>

>Catherine, since I live in a motorhome and have limited space to grow 

>things, I buy my willow bark. Mine is dried and I usually make it into a 

>tea since I have a problem taking pills or capsules of any kind. 

>

>I'm not sure about the wild cherry. I've always meant to experiment 

>making the cough syrup, but it's been on the back burner. :)

>

>Maybe someone else can help more on this. Does anyone else grow their 

>own "raw" materials for herbal preparations? At least for the more 

>uncommon herbs and plants? 

>-- 

>Carole/Mom

>mailto:mamajaz@full-moon.com

>http://members.tripod.com/~Mamajaz/

>Today is the Tomorrow we worried about Yesterday!





The part that must be harvested is the inner bark or "cambium".  This will,

 unfortunately, harm the tree, unless you ask the tree to give you branches

by tugging on them individually to see which ones come away easily.  Peel

the bark from the branches and divide the outer from the inner bark.  Spread

the inner bark on surfaces such as the bottoms of loosely woven baskets (so

the air can circulate freely and dry well).  Dry thoroughly out of direct

sunlight.  This will be a laborious process, but may well be worth it to

you, since purchased herbs are often older than I am (and I'm not saying

how old that is, either).  Hope this helps.





==========

Subject: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: "joolz" <joolz@q7.com>

Date: 2 Jan 1998 03:14:31 GMT

--------

hi,

I've read the FAQ and I didn't see anything on this topic...

I quit smoking (today) and am (as usual) experiencing withdrawal symptoms

even though I was a very light smoker (about 5 cigs/day). I don't want to

use the patch or gum, and I was wondering if anyone had any more natural

tricks for helping the cravings. It's not the need to chew on something -

in the past I've eaten carrot sticks and celery and stuff like that and it

didn;t help much.



any advice or stories appreciated. I've also been thinking about trying

acupuncture to help. I am determined to be successful this time!



Thanks, and warm wishes for a happy new year



joolz





==========

Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: Jim VanMarter <jimvan@wilcoxent.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 05:44:38 GMT

--------

"joolz" <joolz@q7.com> writes: > hi,

> I've read the FAQ and I didn't see anything on this topic...

> I quit smoking (today) and am (as usual) experiencing withdrawal symptoms

> even though I was a very light smoker (about 5 cigs/day). I don't want to

> use the patch or gum, and I was wondering if anyone had any more natural

> tricks for helping the cravings. It's not the need to chew on something -

> in the past I've eaten carrot sticks and celery and stuff like that and it

> didn;t help much.

> 

> any advice or stories appreciated. I've also been thinking about trying

> acupuncture to help. I am determined to be successful this time!

> 

> Thanks, and warm wishes for a happy new year

> 

> joolz



All of the following have beeen shown to be of benefit in kicking the

 tobacco habit:



Scullcap

Vervain

Peppermint

Catnip

Motherwort

Black cohosh

Blue cohosh



A combination of any 2 or 3 of the above made into a tea should prove helpful



Jim VanMarter

Holistic Health and Wellness

http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands





==========

Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 03 Jan 98 14:37:21 -0600

--------

>"joolz" <joolz@q7.com> writes: > hi,

>> I've read the FAQ and I didn't see anything on this topic...

>> I quit smoking (today) and am (as usual) experiencing withdrawal

>> symptoms even though I was a very light smoker (about 5 cigs/day). I

>> don't want to use the patch or gum, and I was wondering if anyone had

>> any more natural tricks for helping the cravings. It's not the need to

>> chew on something - in the past I've eaten carrot sticks and celery and

>> stuff like that and it didn;t help much.

>>

>> any advice or stories appreciated. I've also been thinking about trying

>> acupuncture to help. I am determined to be successful this time!

>>

>> Thanks, and warm wishes for a happy new year

>>

>> joolz



>All of the following have beeen shown to be of benefit in kicking the

> tobacco habit:



>Scullcap

>Vervain

>Peppermint

>Catnip

>Motherwort

>Black cohosh

>Blue cohosh



>A combination of any 2 or 3 of the above made into a tea should prove

>helpful



>Jim VanMarter

>Holistic Health and Wellness

>http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands



I'd strongly recommend giving L-tyrosine a try.  Whenever I start smoking

again and then, after a few weeks, decide it's time to quit, tyrosine, as

needed (typically, a 500 mg capsule or two every few hours, with a once

daily high potency multivitamin & mineral supp as backup) all but

eliminates the cravings and withdrawal symptoms.  Instead of having

nothing but cigarettes on my mind, I actually find myself having to remind

myself that I've quit.  L-tryptophan has had a similar effect in

preliminary research, and so might 5-HTP.  I believe oats (a traditional

remmedy for addiction) should also be on that list of herbs. Megadoses of

vitamin C are also commonly recommended for drug withdrawal.  Thumbs up for

acupuncture too: studies suggest it's about as effective, short- and long-

term, as nicotine gum.



Syd







==========

Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: garqin@super.zippo.com (Zedanski)

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:08:31 +1000

--------

joolz <joolz@q7.com> wrote:



> hi,

> I've read the FAQ and I didn't see anything on this topic...

> I quit smoking (today) and am (as usual) experiencing withdrawal symptoms

> even though I was a very light smoker (about 5 cigs/day). I don't want to

> use the patch or gum, and I was wondering if anyone had any more natural

> tricks for helping the cravings. It's not the need to chew on something -

> in the past I've eaten carrot sticks and celery and stuff like that and it

> didn;t help much.

> 

> any advice or stories appreciated. I've also been thinking about trying

> acupuncture to help. I am determined to be successful this time!

> 

> Thanks, and warm wishes for a happy new year

> 

> joolz



Try sucking on half a lemon when you get the craving.....or eating an

apple . The best method , however, still remains good old stubborness

i.e. refusal to give in to the craving.



Good Luck 



-- 

-Zedanski





==========

Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:15:04 -0900

--------

Use blood purifying herbs. Addictions are in the blood stream. Clean blood, no addiction, no withdrawals.

That'[s how I quit. One warning--the cigarettes taste really nasty a few days after you begin taking the herbs. I couldn't stand it. The hand-to-mouth thing is really nerve-wracking. That goes away in about a week. For anxiety and nervousness, stress relieving herbs are great when quitting.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking?

From: margareth1@aol.com (MARGARETH1)

Date: 4 Jan 1998 07:33:14 GMT

--------

Joolz wrote:



>I quit smoking (today) and am (as usual) experiencing withdrawal symptoms

>even though I was a very light smoker (about 5 cigs/day). I don't want to

>use the patch or gum, and I was wondering if anyone had any more natural

>tricks for helping the cravings.



I'm not speaking from experience, as I've never smoked, but lobelia is often

used as a temporary substitute to calm the craving.  I think Enzymatic

Therapies makes a product specifically for quitting smoking, which contains

lobelia and some other ingredients .



I'm guessing that ginkgo might also be helpful, because (like cigarette

smoking) it tends to increase dopamine levels in the brain, which is good for

concentration and mood.  Because ginkgo also increases blood flow and

oxygenation in the brain it could help in the detoxification process, too.



Large doses of vitamin C help your whole body detoxify more quickly, and a

"Zone" type diet high in protein and fiber, adequate in unsaturated fats, and

moderate in carbohydrates (especially simple sugars), can diminish the

blood-sugar rollercoaster which is part of the addictive pattern.  



There are actually a lot of nutritional strategies for smoking cessation--if

you browse through the literature in your health food store a bit, I'm sure

you'll find more. 



Another herbal suggestion--Arctic Root, aka Rhodiola, might be helpful, as it

increases oxygenation of the tissues and also improves mood by normalizing

levels of serotonin and other neurotransmitters.  It seems to me it might serve

as a natural substitute for Welbutrin, the antidepressant that's now being used

to reduce cravings during smoking cessation.



Margaret H. 





==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: Violinista <nope@nospam.nomam.org>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:28:45 -0600

--------

It's called the Master Cleanser fast.



There's a book about it but I can't remember the name.

I've done it several times but the recommended time period

is something like 10 days and I don't agree that you need to

go that long.  It does call for maply syrup (the real stuff -

Grade A) but I use Sucanat sometimes instead.



Drink as much as you want and follow the usual precautions

when leaving the fast.



-v









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Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 20:35:01 -0600

--------

Any suggestions on quantities? 



Violinista wrote:

> 

> It's called the Master Cleanser fast.

> 

> There's a book about it but I can't remember the name.

> I've done it several times but the recommended time period

> is something like 10 days and I don't agree that you need to

> go that long.  It does call for maply syrup (the real stuff -

> Grade A) but I use Sucanat sometimes instead.

> 

> Drink as much as you want and follow the usual precautions

> when leaving the fast.

> 

> -v-- 

Carole/Mom

mailto:mamajaz@full-moon.com

http://members.tripod.com/~Mamajaz/

Today is the Tomorrow we worried about Yesterday!





==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: "Kenneth A. Morrison" <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:44:46 -0500

--------





Crone wrote:



> Any suggestions on quantities?

>

> Violinista wrote:

> >

> > It's called the Master Cleanser fast.

> >

> > There's a book about it but I can't remember the name.

> >

>

>



Just to let you know, I think the book is titled -master cleanser or The

master cleanser.







==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:34:39 -0900

--------

Mark,

The lemon juice, maple syrup, and distilled water mixture is a meal in itself. The mixture is keeping your blood sugar level in balance, as well as providing minerals and vitamins. Since it is already in liquid form, it is assimilated into the system very rapidly, allowing both cleansing and rebuilding of the body to take place at an accelerated pace.

Honey doesn't work the way the Maple syrup does, nor does it have the nutrients maple syrup does. Keep in mind that you use Pure Maple Syrup.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:58:12 -0500

--------

Note that if you are attempting to lose muscle (as well as fat and improve

general well being) you might want to skip the honey or syrup.  If you don't

add in sugar your body will burn muscle and fat to provide the sugar as fuel

for the brain.  I'm no expert but I know it is at least a little bit more of

a concern doing it this way than if you add the sugar.  You have to watch

out for ketosis, which is a byproduct of burning the bodies tissues.  Also

you will probably have to pay better attention and respond accordingly when

your body desires activity.  I done this type of fast several times with

good, lasting results.







slade or kay henson wrote in message <68lpk8$sdm$1@news2.alpha.net>...

Mark,

The lemon juice, maple syrup, and distilled water mixture is a meal in

itself. The mixture is keeping your blood sugar level in balance, as well as

providing minerals and vitamins. Since it is already in liquid form, it is

assimilated into the system very rapidly, allowing both cleansing and

rebuilding of the body to take place at an accelerated pace.

Honey doesn't work the way the Maple syrup does, nor does it have the

nutrients maple syrup does. Keep in mind that you use Pure Maple Syrup.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade















==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: "Dan" <churchill@wnyip.net>

Date: 9 Jan 1998 22:38:53 GMT

--------



The full name of the book is "The Master Cleanser - with Special Needs and

Problems" by Stanley Burroughs. I have a copy and have done the fast with

maple syrup that I have produced. As recommended in the book- I used Grade

B .

The author talks about Grade C also - but that's misleading because Grade C

is not officially recognized or approved as a US grade. You have to be real

carefull looking for Grade C because alot of what's out there is syrup that

has been rejected as being unacceptable for sale as table grade syrup.  I

am interested in testimonials and success stories from any one who has done

the Master Cleanser as well as information about any problems encountered.



Dan Churchill,

Maple River Co.

800-524-4665

e-mail: mapleriver@wnyip.net





==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: ssilver567@aol.com (SSilver567)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 08:57:48 GMT

--------

I took the "master clenser w/above ingredients at the Aveda Spa in WI.  It was

wonderful.  I had a violent headache - one of the kind staff members at the spa

bought some up to my room.



I have been using this method of taking the tonic whenever i don't feel good. 

It is recommend not to eat for 24 hrs, but if one can't fast it still works

great.









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Subject: Re: Cayenne, Honey & Lemon Fasting

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 00:48:59 GMT

--------

Leave out the honey, use water insteaed. Drink this every hour. Mental clarity

will increase as time goes by. I tried this method six months ago. I was up for

close to 90 hours without any ill effects. I felt great and still do.

Kerry





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Subject: Herb Distributer

From: tippi4u@ibm.net (tracy)

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:33:40 -0800

--------

I am located in California and need to find a reputable business to 

purchase herbs from.  Any one know of a place that I can order from?



tracy of L.A.





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Distributer

From: slewis234@aol.com (SLewis234)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 12:28:46 GMT

--------

Tracy, I order from a company called Frontier Herb Coop.  They are a

wholesaler.  Very good reputation.   Address: 3021 78th St., P.O. Box 299,

Norway, IA 52318

phone: 1/800/669-3275   fax 1/800/717-herb.



This company is excellent.  They sell bulk herbs, capsuls, etc.  They also sell

just about every herbal product you could buy from a retail store such as tea

(Celestual Seasons etc.)  Vitamins, herbal hardware to make your own etc.  



If you find that you can't order from them, let me know, I have a wholesale

number and I 'd be glad to do it for you.  Shelley





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Distributer

From: Crone <mamajaz@full-moon.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 09:44:50 -0600

--------

Frontier has a web site at http://www.frontierherb.com/ where you can 

order their catalog on-line. They have both wholesale and retail 

catalogs available. 

-- 

Carole

mailto:mamajaz@full-moon.com

http://members.tripod.com/~Mamajaz/

Today is the Tomorrow we worried about Yesterday!





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Subject: Re: Herb Distributer

From: gypsyvirg@aol.com (GypsyVirg)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 00:15:33 GMT

--------

San Francisco Herb Company.

They are great. They are 

reasonable and they are in

California.





==========

Subject: Thin and weak Hair

From: tippi4u@ibm.net (tracy)

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:44:40 -0800

--------

can someone help me preserve my hair.  A hair stylist cut my hair too 

short and its thin... I need herbs...What kind should I take?



tracy...



P.S.  Also where do I purchase.  I know nothing about herbs.  All I take 

now are prenatal vitamins, iron and Ginko Biloba...



tracy





==========

Subject: Re: TeaTree Oil

From: caGe <guz@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:59:53 -0800

--------

> Is Tea Tree Oil good for adolescent acne?



It doesn't seem to be.  I suspect that this

is because adolescent acne is propogated by

hormonal factors (e.g. the over-production

of "skin oils"), whereas adult acne is usually

caused by bacteria, which *are* affected by

the antiseptic properties of Tea Tree oil...





==========

Subject: Re: TeaTree Oil

From: commentator@headquarter.com (Tom Goodman)

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:32:57 GMT

--------

On Thu, 01 Jan 1998 22:59:53 -0800, caGe <guz@idt.net> wrote:



>> Is Tea Tree Oil good for adolescent acne?

>

>It doesn't seem to be.  I suspect that this

>is because adolescent acne is propogated by

>hormonal factors (e.g. the over-production

>of "skin oils"), whereas adult acne is usually

>caused by bacteria, which *are* affected by

>the antiseptic properties of Tea Tree oil...



For one of two acne zits, apply very thin film of tiger balm, Vick's

vapor rub or white flower oil on the zits. They are smelly and

stinging but they work super fast and effectively. For white oil

heads, place a very warm(but not burning hot) towel on the oil head

area for about 15 seconds, remove the towel and use your cleaned

fingernail to lightly scrap the oil head until it breaks, it should be

very easy to break, if it doesn't then don't force it. The oil will

leak out, clean it off with a tissue or the towel, and apply a very

thin film of the medicines above.







==========

Subject: Mixing Herbs With Other Things

From: ChroniAbaloni@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:09:09 -0800

--------

Hello.



Does anyone know if it's wise to mix St. John's Wort with tyrosine

suppliments, or to take Astragalus and or Coneflower root while you're

taking antibiotics?



Anyone know where this kind of information could ordinarily be found

online?



Many thanks.

Rob





==========

Subject: Re: Mixing Herbs With Other Things

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:28:37 GMT

--------

On Thu, 1 Jan 1998 23:09:09 -0800, ChroniAbaloni@webtv.net wrote:



>Hello.

>

>Does anyone know if it's wise to mix St. John's Wort with tyrosine

>suppliments, or to take Astragalus and or Coneflower root while you're

>taking antibiotics?



Hiya Rob,

I've always taken echinachea and garlic supplements along with the

antibiotic.  Antibiotics not only kill off the bad guys, buy some of

the good ones along the way as well.

If I have to visit a doc. and am prescribed a medication I usually

talk to him about my herbal lifestyle and ask about taking an herbal

supplement along with the meds.  I've yet to run into a problem, but

you'll want to speak with your physician.  Hope I helped some!! :-)



ceri

"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw





==========

Subject: Re: Mixing Herbs With Other Things

From: lhoover@ivory.trentu.ca (HOOVER THE MOVER)

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:42:14 GMT

--------

In article <68i3ql$a3q$1@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, ChroniAbaloni@webtv.net writes:

>Hello.

>

>Does anyone know if it's wise to mix St. John's Wort with tyrosine

>suppliments, or to take Astragalus and or Coneflower root while you're

>taking antibiotics?

>

>Anyone know where this kind of information could ordinarily be found

>online?

>

>Many thanks.

>Rob



I've been taking SJW for eight months, and took tyrosine for three months 

of that period. I felt great. I started to bum out a bit because I'm 

seasonal in a medium sort of way, so I'm back on the tyrosine. I've never 

had a problem, so long as I take tyrosine in the morning, due to its 

activating effects.



Larry





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Subject: Re: Chest fullness

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:49:36 -0500

--------

mickaren@msn.com wrote in message <#MDJKHzE9GA.242@upnetnews03>...

>I had a cold and now that the symptoms are gone, my chest feels so full.

My

>breathing is shallower due to this and it effects me alot.     I just want

>to be able to breath fully.  I know that if I call the doctor he will put

me

>in the Hospital and do nothing but take alot of pictures  Help

>

>                mickey





I am not a licensed physician, so read at your own risk.

You may still be having symptoms of the cold.  Accululations of thick phlegm

in the lungs can cause the feelings of heaviness and shortness of breath, as

can inflammation of the tissues lining the lungs.  Both can restrict air

flow in the lungs.  Sometimes use of a decongestant can help by opening up

the lung passages.  I have used both prescription and OTC asthma inhalants

with good temporary effects (but read the label cautions!), though both

types of inhalants sometimes seem to increase the inflammation and prolong

the ultimate relief from symptoms.  The OTC variety of inhalents use the

alkaloid extracted from the herb Ephedra, and the usual cautions regarding

high blood pressure and heart problems apply.



There are a number of good expectorants available in herbal medicine -

Platycodon root (common balloon flower), Fritillaria root, and Pinellia root

are just a few of those used used in Chinese herbal medicine.  Many Chinese

food stores have cough remedies based on these and other herbs.  They might

be worth a try if the usual OTC remedies (all of which seem to be based on

the same expectorant, Guaifenesin) don't work for you.



Relief might also be obtained by putting a few drops of Eucalyptus oil into

a pan of steaming hot water and breathing the fumes.  This may cause some

coughing reflex at first, but this just means it's working, stimulating the

lungs to increase secretions to break up the thick deposits.



Edgar Cayce recommended a mixture of 1 egg white, juice of a lemon, and

about a tablespoon of honey blended well together and taken a teaspoon or 2

at a time as an expectorant, and this has helped me before with particularly

tough chest colds.  He also gave a number of formulas for inhalants

containing grain alcohol with added stimulating aromatic substances like

eucalyptus oil, spirits of turpentine, spirits of camphor, and balsam of

tolu, mixed together and the vapors from above the liquid inhaled.  One of

these is still commercially obtainable under the name "inspirol" from

several suppliers of the original Cayce formulas.  You can reach the A.R.E.

at http://www.are-cayce.com for more information.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Chest fullness

From: none of your business (ask vanessa)

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 19:41:02 GMT

--------

On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:49:36 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>mickaren@msn.com wrote in message <#MDJKHzE9GA.242@upnetnews03>...

>>I had a cold and now that the symptoms are gone, my chest feels so full.

>My

>>breathing is shallower due to this and it effects me alot.     I just want

>>to be able to breath fully.  I know that if I call the doctor he will put

>me

>>in the Hospital and do nothing but take alot of pictures  Help

>>

>>                mickey

>

>

>I am not a licensed physician, so read at your own risk.

>You may still be having symptoms of the cold.  Accululations of thick phlegm

>in the lungs can cause the feelings of heaviness and shortness of breath, as

>can inflammation of the tissues lining the lungs.  Both can restrict air

>flow in the lungs.  Sometimes use of a decongestant can help by opening up

>the lung passages.  I have used both prescription and OTC asthma inhalants

>with good temporary effects (but read the label cautions!), though both

>types of inhalants sometimes seem to increase the inflammation and prolong

>the ultimate relief from symptoms.  The OTC variety of inhalents use the

>alkaloid extracted from the herb Ephedra, and the usual cautions regarding

>high blood pressure and heart problems apply.

>

>There are a number of good expectorants available in herbal medicine -

>Platycodon root (common balloon flower), Fritillaria root, and Pinellia root

>are just a few of those used used in Chinese herbal medicine.  Many Chinese

>food stores have cough remedies based on these and other herbs.  They might

>be worth a try if the usual OTC remedies (all of which seem to be based on

>the same expectorant, Guaifenesin) don't work for you.

>

>Relief might also be obtained by putting a few drops of Eucalyptus oil into

>a pan of steaming hot water and breathing the fumes.  This may cause some

>coughing reflex at first, but this just means it's working, stimulating the

>lungs to increase secretions to break up the thick deposits.

>

>Edgar Cayce recommended a mixture of 1 egg white, juice of a lemon, and

>about a tablespoon of honey blended well together and taken a teaspoon or 2

>at a time as an expectorant, and this has helped me before with particularly

>tough chest colds.  He also gave a number of formulas for inhalants

>containing grain alcohol with added stimulating aromatic substances like

>eucalyptus oil, spirits of turpentine, spirits of camphor, and balsam of

>tolu, mixed together and the vapors from above the liquid inhaled.  One of

>these is still commercially obtainable under the name "inspirol" from

>several suppliers of the original Cayce formulas.  You can reach the A.R.E.

>at http://www.are-cayce.com for more information.

>

>-RJO

>  





vanessa wrote:



One of the best remedies I have found for excessive phlegm in the

body, be it in the chest or sinus, even in the intestines is fenugreek

grains.  drink as tea or take in pill form which is sold at almost any

nutrition store.  takes a few days but you will feel so much better!!

good luck.

>

>



Just ask me.





==========

Subject: Re: Chest fullness

From: none of your business (ask vanessa)

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:14:03 GMT

--------

On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:49:36 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>mickaren@msn.com wrote in message <#MDJKHzE9GA.242@upnetnews03>...

>>I had a cold and now that the symptoms are gone, my chest feels so full.

>My

>>breathing is shallower due to this and it effects me alot.     I just want

>>to be able to breath fully.  I know that if I call the doctor he will put

>me

>>in the Hospital and do nothing but take alot of pictures  Help

>>

>>                mickey

>

>

>I am not a licensed physician, so read at your own risk.

>You may still be having symptoms of the cold.  Accululations of thick phlegm

>in the lungs can cause the feelings of heaviness and shortness of breath, as

>can inflammation of the tissues lining the lungs.  Both can restrict air

>flow in the lungs.  Sometimes use of a decongestant can help by opening up

>the lung passages.  I have used both prescription and OTC asthma inhalants

>with good temporary effects (but read the label cautions!), though both

>types of inhalants sometimes seem to increase the inflammation and prolong

>the ultimate relief from symptoms.  The OTC variety of inhalents use the

>alkaloid extracted from the herb Ephedra, and the usual cautions regarding

>high blood pressure and heart problems apply.

>

>There are a number of good expectorants available in herbal medicine -

>Platycodon root (common balloon flower), Fritillaria root, and Pinellia root

>are just a few of those used used in Chinese herbal medicine.  Many Chinese

>food stores have cough remedies based on these and other herbs.  They might

>be worth a try if the usual OTC remedies (all of which seem to be based on

>the same expectorant, Guaifenesin) don't work for you.

>

>Relief might also be obtained by putting a few drops of Eucalyptus oil into

>a pan of steaming hot water and breathing the fumes.  This may cause some

>coughing reflex at first, but this just means it's working, stimulating the

>lungs to increase secretions to break up the thick deposits.

>

>Edgar Cayce recommended a mixture of 1 egg white, juice of a lemon, and

>about a tablespoon of honey blended well together and taken a teaspoon or 2

>at a time as an expectorant, and this has helped me before with particularly

>tough chest colds.  He also gave a number of formulas for inhalants

>containing grain alcohol with added stimulating aromatic substances like

>eucalyptus oil, spirits of turpentine, spirits of camphor, and balsam of

>tolu, mixed together and the vapors from above the liquid inhaled.  One of

>these is still commercially obtainable under the name "inspirol" from

>several suppliers of the original Cayce formulas.  You can reach the A.R.E.

>at http://www.are-cayce.com for more information.

>

>-RJO

>  





vanessa wrote:



One of the best remedies I have found for excessive phlegm in the

body, be it in the chest or sinus, even in the intestines is fenugreek

grains.  drink as tea or take in pill form which is sold at almost any

nutrition store.  takes a few days but you will feel so much better!!

good luck.

>

>



Just ask me.





==========

Subject: Re: Medicinal herbFAQ (v.1.30) Part 3/7

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:35:56 -0500

--------

>Ginkgo leaves and cooked nuts have a safe history of use that goes back

>several thousand yrs. When using a preparation of the whole leaves or

>seeds, you can safely assume that within a normal dose range there will be

>no danger of negative side effects.





>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



I would very much like to see any authenticated reference to the use of

Ginko leaves in medicine going back "several thousand years".  While I have

uncovered numerous references to the historic use of the seed kernels in

medicine, I have never seen any reference in the Chinese literature to use

of the leaves.  Since the Ginko was though extinct by Western experts until

this century, such long use certainly cannot be a Western tradition.



>Eating the leaves, or even infusing them is not common practice. There is

>nothing to *STOP* you from doing it I suppose, but it would not be an

>effective way of ingesting medicinal amounts of the herb. You need a lot

>for results - which is why some companies have produced concentrated

>extracts which are the equivalent of about 80:1 strength of what they

>consider to be the active ingredients. In other words one gram of

>standardised extract is like eating 80 grams of dried leaf. It is the leaf

>that is used in herbal medicine.



But the effective dose of Ginko extract as sold in the U.S. is 40-60 mg. of

the 50:1 concentrate.  That means it would only take (40 mg) X (50/1) = 2000

mg, or 2-3 grams of the dried leaves to constitute an effective dose, right?



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Seeking Medical Herbalism Training in UK

From: slewis234@aol.com (SLewis234)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 12:31:51 GMT

--------

If you get a copy of a current "Herb Companion" mag, you will find many schools

on herbalism in the mag.  There are even many that you can do through

correspondance classes.  Good Luck!





==========

Subject: Re: Seeking Medical Herbalism Training in UK

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 22:53:32 GMT

--------

In article <wwdiyPAnAqq0EwdH@greycircle.demon.co.uk>, Al

<al@greycircle.demon.co.uk> writes:



>

I'm looking for training organisations within the UK, preferable in

>the

West, to Wales area. I'm looking to gain a qualification that will

>allow

diagnosis to take place.



Contact:

National Institute of Medical Herbalists Ltd

56 Longbrook Street

Exeter, Devon, EX4 6AH

(01392) 426022



This is an older address, so you might check with a local medical herbalist if

the Institute has moved. They should have current information on schools etc.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



Natural Therapies Education Guide by Rosemary Jones

Covers US & Canada, will be out in April 1998 from Prima Publishing

e-mail if you want to be notified when the book is available...

(please note that Prima is changing the title daily so you probably want to

e-mail for the ISBN which is staying the same.... big sigh!)





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Subject: cat powder/actinidia/silver vine/matatabi

From: sedgar1@umbc.edu (Stephanie Edgar)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 14:20:14 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where to get "cat powder" made from several

species of Actinidia (kiwi), including polygama (silver vine), kolomikta

(super hardy kiwi) and arguta (hardy kiwi).

It has a catnip like odor and cats are fond of it.

Thanks in advance!



steph

sedgar1@gl.umbc.edu





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Subject: Ginseng?

From: sam <shunyee@pacific.net.sg>

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:24:09 +0800

--------

Does anyone know if there's any adverse effects on taking Ginseng while

pregnant or breastfeeding?



sam

mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11mo Daniel

Chinese Mom in Singapore





==========

Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: "Kim Knight" <kknight@bigsky.net>

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:00:41 -0700

--------



sam wrote in message <34AE4A09.495@pacific.net.sg>...

>Does anyone know if there's any adverse effects on taking Ginseng while

>pregnant or breastfeeding?





Yes!  Ginseng is contraindicated during pregnancy.  It has steriod like

factors, and should not be taken at this time.



Source: Weed, Susan, _Herbs for the Childbearing Year, pg. 13.



As far as breastfeeding, ANY herbs and outside influences should be

considered carefully.  Most do cross to breastmilk, and if your baby does

not need it, it might not be wise to give it to them.











==========

Subject: Re: Ginseng?

From: magic1@jps.net (Matt Gomes)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 16:57:38 -0800

--------

In article <34AE4A09.495@pacific.net.sg>, shunyee@pacific.net.sg wrote:



> Does anyone know if there's any adverse effects on taking Ginseng while

> pregnant or breastfeeding?

> 

> sam

> mommy to 3.5yo Sarah & 11mo Daniel

> Chinese Mom in Singapore



According to "Herbal For The Childbearing Year" by Susun S. Weed:



"Steroids and herbs containing steroid-like factors, including Agave,

Ginseng, Licorice, Hops, Sage (which also decreases lactation)"



...should be avoided before and during pregnancy.



Hope this helps...



-M





==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:34:54 GMT

--------

On 3 Jan 1998 00:59:45 GMT, misslyn@aol.com (MissLyn) wrote:



>anyone know how to stop craving for sweets???any kind of herb??



Although a mineral and not an herb I've found Magnesium supplements to

help.  I've read that when you crave sweets the body is low in this

mineral.....hmmmm.....can't remember where, but I'll do some digging!

:-)



ceri

"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw







==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth

From: "Kim Knight" <kknight@bigsky.net>

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 15:55:32 -0700

--------



Ceri wrote in message <34ae5a29.6021085@snews.zippo.com>...

>On 3 Jan 1998 00:59:45 GMT, misslyn@aol.com (MissLyn) wrote:

>

>>anyone know how to stop craving for sweets???any kind of herb??

>

>Although a mineral and not an herb I've found Magnesium supplements to

>help.  I've read that when you crave sweets the body is low in this

>mineral.....hmmmm.....can't remember where, but I'll do some digging!





I would be curious to find out about this as well, but I know that in

pregnancy, when the body craves sweets, it is a sign of needing more

protein.











==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:10:27 -0900

--------

I think a sugar craving is an addiction. I used to have a big problem with craving sugar--only when I was pregnant. I never drank soda, or ate sweet foods even when I was a teenager. Not because I knew about health and nutrition back then, but because I was very worried about getting fat or getting zits.

I have had 4 children, and with all of them the sugar craving was unreal. I don't know if it is related to protein deficiency or not, but I know I was not deficient in protein, nor was I spilling protein in my urine.

The first time I detoxed, I no longer had a sugar craving. The real test came when I got pregnant. I am almost 16 weeks right now, and have had no sugar cravings yet. We will see as the pregnancy progresses if I get it back or not.....LOL

I'm not real sure about using stevia instead of sugar and have a question that maybe someone can answer.....

If sugar addiction is like any other addiction, wouldn't using stevia be the same as using a different drug when you are a drug addict? Just replacing the "drug of choice" for a different one? Wouldn't the addiction still be there, just focused on the use of something else?



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:02:48 -0500

--------

I'm not sure if craving sugar is an addiction so much as a habit.  Once I

gave it up, stopped keeping the stuff around, and pretty much stopped giving

myself the option of having it, the desire stopped.  Also I notice that

after a meal I need some minor activity instead of eating a bowl of ice

cream and sitting like a lump in front of the TV.



Frank

slade or kay henson wrote in message <68on1f$8sp$1@news3.alpha.net>...

I think a sugar craving is an addiction. I used to have a big problem with

craving sugar--only when I was pregnant. I never drank soda, or ate sweet

foods even when I was a teenager. Not because I knew about health and

nutrition back then, but because I was very worried about getting fat or

getting zits.

I have had 4 children, and with all of them the sugar craving was unreal. I

don't know if it is related to protein deficiency or not, but I know I was

not deficient in protein, nor was I spilling protein in my urine.

The first time I detoxed, I no longer had a sugar craving. The real test

came when I got pregnant. I am almost 16 weeks right now, and have had no

sugar cravings yet. We will see as the pregnancy progresses if I get it back

or not.....LOL

I'm not real sure about using stevia instead of sugar and have a question

that maybe someone can answer.....

If sugar addiction is like any other addiction, wouldn't using stevia be the

same as using a different drug when you are a drug addict? Just replacing

the "drug of choice" for a different one? Wouldn't the addiction still be

there, just focused on the use of something else?



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade















==========

Subject: renal failure herbs

From: "Ramon Salvatierra" <rasl97@telcel.net.ve>

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 11:36:37 -0400

--------

I'm looking for information about herbs that can help in acute or cronical

renal failures.



help in advance.



--

Ramon Salvatierra

rasl97@telcel.net.ve

http://www.true.net/~sramon/home.htm

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7502/index.html









==========

Subject: Re: renal failure herbs

From: herbstoo@aol.com (Herbstoo)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 21:05:05 GMT

--------

Nettle Leaf (Urtica dioica) is a blood purifier and can help the efficiency of

liver and kidney functions.

Althea Root (Althea officinalis), or Marshmallow Root, binds and eliminates

toxins, soothes the urinary tract, and is well known for treating kidney and

bladder infections. E-mail me if you have any questions.





==========

Subject: Re: quit smoking

From: Crystalwolf@webtv.net (S. T.)

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:46:27 -0500

--------

The nicotine left your system within the first 72 hours after your last

cigarette. As far as helping to repair your lungs, vitamin c is always a

good bet. You may also want to start drinking chamomile tea, and take

echinacea. Both have great healing benefits.....

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Subject: oil of oregano

From: canadiens@mhv.net

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 11:53:36 -0500

--------

I was listening to the radio the other day, and they were talking about

oil of oregano. I tried in vain to find more information about it on the

internet and I couldn't find much about it. Does anyone have any

information on oil of oregano?



Thanks,

Jo-Anne





==========

Subject: Re: oil of oregano

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:25:21 -0500

--------

Dear Jo-Anne;



All what I know about oil of oregano, that a few drops of the essential oil

of oregano on the billow will help you sleep fast.

But where to get it, I have no idea!!



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: RE: oil of oregano

From: mmboughton@aol.com (MMBoughton)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 18:52:31 GMT

--------

My sister-in-law found oil of oregano @ WHOLE FOODS in Dallas (Greenville

Avenue) and she put a bottle in with my xmas goodies.



My question is:  In the area of using the oil to kill the intestinal fungas,

what is the dosage, how long should it take?



TIA



MB





==========

Subject: Re: Skin Boils

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 12:16:18 -0600

--------

J W wrote:

> 

> Ooouch! is there anything out there for skin boils  oooooooouch!!!



Watkins [you'll have to find a distributor] _Petro-Carbo Salve_.  It's

1.75% carbolic acid.  I don't know how it works, but in a couple days'

time it will "draw" the boil to a head so that it may be lanced.  I

remember it as a 'miracle drug' from my childhood and was delighted a

couple years ago to find that it was still available.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Skin Boils

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:32 -0900

--------

Jude, a Master Herbalist has the belief that skin boils are caused by blood impurities and certain minerals missing from the diet. She says if you are prone to boils to take a look at your diet and take steps to remedy it. Have proper nutrition and eat lots of fresh vegetables. Also drink plenty of water. I always recommend drinking distilled water. I get mine from Culligan. Detoxification therapy may also be something you would want to think about. This releases toxins from your body, cleans the whole body and purifies the blood. A good program that incorporates fasting into it and teaches good nutrition is what I do. 

Here are a few different recipes you can try:



Try mixing equal parts of cayenne pepper, powdered lecithin, butchers broom, and apple pectin and placing in #OO capsules. Take 2 daily along with a multiple B vitamin to improve circulation and flush the body of toxins. 



To help heal a boil or sore, hold a plantain leaf under very hot running water. Crush the leaf until limp. Place over the sore. This is a very good astringent.



Native Americans used wild pansy to draw boils. It was ground up and placed on the boil, bandaged and left overnight.



Soak a piece of bread in lemon juice and apply to the boil. Cover with a loose bandage and leave on overnight.



Try one of those recipes out. I have a few more if you need them.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: sage

From: cliftcom@aol.com (Cliftcom)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 20:05:12 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on the Native American ritual of burning sage

to cleanse the body of negative experiences? I am researching this for an

article I am writing. Thank you.





==========

Subject: Re: sage

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 4 Jan 1998 02:01:05 GMT

--------

Go to www.silentwarrior.com

go to the Bead Works.  She has many native American links where you can

surely get your answer.

-- 

Scooter & Dragonlady



Cliftcom <cliftcom@aol.com> wrote in article

> Does anyone have any information on the Native American ritual of burning

sage



> 





==========

Subject: Re: sage

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:48:29 -0600

--------





On 3 Jan 1998, Cliftcom wrote:



> Does anyone have any information on the Native American ritual of burning sage

> to cleanse the body of negative experiences? I am researching this for an

> article I am writing. Thank you.

> 

> 

Don't know about cleansing the body, but we burn a sprig of sage whenever 

we move into a new house - Grandma (Cherokee) always said it rid the 

house of evil spirits left by the former occupants. 



FWIW

Cissy





==========

Subject: Re: sage

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 16:00:41 GMT

--------

>Subject: Re: sage

>From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

>Date: Mon, Jan 5, 1998 12:48 EST

>Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980105114730.7816A-100000@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

>

>

>

>On 3 Jan 1998, Cliftcom wrote:

>

>> Does anyone have any information on the Native American ritual of burning

>sage

>> to cleanse the body of negative experiences? I am researching this for an

>> article I am writing. Thank you.

>> 

>> 

>Don't know about cleansing the body, but we burn a sprig of sage whenever 

>we move into a new house - Grandma (Cherokee) always said it rid the 

>house of evil spirits left by the former occupants. 

>

>FWIW

>Cissy



You use it to cleanse the body for the same reasons.  To cleanse the spirit of

negative influences.



Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





==========

Subject: Herbal Home Study & Home Business

From: herbstoo@aol.com (Herbstoo)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 21:10:02 GMT

--------

To get herbal help, herbal home study courses, products or to learn about the

home herbal business opportunity go to www.theherbschool.com.







==========

Subject: LONGER HAIR!!!

From: chalunks@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us

Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:51:08 -0600

--------

I am 20 years old and in need of some help.  I have naturally curly hair

and I would love for it to be longer, but it just doesn't want to grow. 

I can't explain how discouraging it is.  I just wish it would grow and

weigh a bit of the curl down.  My question is:	Is there anything,

ANYTHING, out there that anyone has heard of to help speed the process of

hair growth???	I've tried so many things, and I am getting frustrated

with things that don't work.  Please, please help if you have any ideas. 

Thank you.



Brittney



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: LONGER HAIR!!!

From: vf362436@hotmail.com (**********)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 19:17:54 GMT

--------

In article <883863694.601948166@dejanews.com>, bd1157@messiah.edu wrote:

->I am 20 years old and in need of some help.  I have naturally curly hair

->and I would love for it to be longer, but it just doesn't want to grow. 

->I can't explain how discouraging it is.  I just wish it would grow and

->weigh a bit of the curl down.  My question is:  Is there anything,

->ANYTHING, out there that anyone has heard of to help speed the process of

->hair growth???  I've tried so many things, and I am getting frustrated

->with things that don't work.  Please, please help if you have any ideas. 

->Thank you.

->

->Brittney



I've heard that hair grows to different lengths for different people (length 

limit).  In other words, not all people can have hair like Crystal Gail (sp).  

: )   Whether or not this is true, I'm not sure.





==========

Subject: Re: LONGER HAIR!!!

From: Energia@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:12:02 -0500

--------

I have waist~length curly hair & can honestly say that how you treat

your scalp will determine health of your hair. Ask yourself these

questions: Do I massage my scalp daily?, Do I every 2 weeks use a scalp

rinse infusion of vinegar (or other PH balancing infusions) to remove

hair product build~up & balance scalp's acidity? & Do I use alot of

products like hairsprays/mousse that can dry hair & clog pores in your

scalp?



The scalp is like the dirt in a garden, what you put into it will

determine whether the seeds planted will bloom into healthy flowers,

herbs...etc 



Another reason your hair may not be growing, is that according to

articles on hair I've read, after one reaches adulthood there is a stage

of 2 yrs where ones hair will not grow, this can occur at any time in

ones adulthood & then hair will grow at its usual rate after 2 yr

period.



Lastly, since I had suffered hair~loss due to stress & regained it

through daily massages with coconut oil, I highly recommend massaging of

the scalp. Some of my friends use Garlic oil to speed hair growth. Also,

I cut my hair according to the waxing/waning of the moon to speed growth

of my hair.



Hope this helps...Energia





==========

Subject: St John's Wort

From: "TK" <tim.lynda@virgin.net>

Date: 3 Jan 1998 22:29:24 GMT

--------

My wife and I are interested in finding out more about St. John's Wort and

particularly it's applications for the treatment of ailments associated

with the menopause and also it's use against depression.



All information gratefully receieved



Thanx 



Tim & Lynda







==========

To: TK <tim.lynda@virgin.net>

Subject: Re: St John's Wort

From: Crystal <crslmoon@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:33:15 -0500

--------

TK wrote:



> My wife and I are interested in finding out more about St. John's Wort and

> particularly it's applications for the treatment of ailments associated

> with the menopause and also it's use against depression.

>

> All information gratefully receieved

>

> Thanx

>

> Tim & Lynda



I found this website to be interesting on the use of St. John's Wort for

depression.  I have taken it myself throughout this year for depression and I

have to say that it has worked well for me.  The only draw back has been that

I have been a little more tired but adding Ginkgo Biloba has improved it.



http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5942/stjohns.html



Crystal







==========

Subject: Re: St John's Wort

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:57:01 GMT

--------

I started taking St. Johns Wort after listening to an alternative medicine

M.D. from Texas discuss it on the radio.

>I was suffering from situational depression and had mild menopausal

symptoms.  It takes some time to start working because the levels have to

build up in your system, but after about a week, I really began to notice a

change (in both areas).

>Once you satisfy yourself that you feel comfortable with taking it, I

think you might be pleasantly surprised.   I know I was.  It really made a

drastic difference in how I approach life.







==========

Subject: Herbal Estrogens

From: seknight@tiac.net (Sarah)

Date: 3 Jan 1998 23:25:38 GMT

--------

I am a m->F TS.  Currently the doctor has me on PreMarIn,

a compound I find ethically offensive.  alternatives that

medicical science would provide to me use synthetic 

estrogens, not a safe environmental alternative.  Can some 

one suggest an herbal alternative to 5mg of premarin daily

dosage.



Also need an herbal alternative to Provera (progesterone),

again what is available thru conventional medical practice

is not environmentally friendly.



Thanks,

S







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal Estrogens

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 04 Jan 98 13:19:43 -0600

--------

>I am a m->F TS.  Currently the doctor has me on PreMarIn,

>a compound I find ethically offensive.  alternatives that

>medicical science would provide to me use synthetic

>estrogens, not a safe environmental alternative.  Can some

>one suggest an herbal alternative to 5mg of premarin daily

>dosage.



>Also need an herbal alternative to Provera (progesterone),

>again what is available thru conventional medical practice

>is not environmentally friendly.



>Thanks,

>S



Instead of Premarin, you could try estradiol (the main estrogenic hormone),

which I believe is synthesized (what's environmentally unsafe about that?)

or "Tri-Est," a balanced combo of the three natural estrogens -- or you

could see how much mileage you can get (probably not nearly enough) out of

plant estrogens from soy products, flax, and various other phytoestrogen-

rich foods and herbs.  Provera - - a synthetic progestin -- is much more

poorly tolerated than natural micronized progesterone, which almost seems

to have a cult following.  All or most of these products (including

pregnenolone, the mother of all steroid hormones, ovarian and otherwise

[including testosterone -- probably a liability in your situation, though

women need some too]) can be had from the Women's International Pharmacy

(800- 279- 5708; they're on the Web too).



Syd







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal Estrogens

From: gypsyvirg@aol.com (GypsyVirg)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 00:11:32 GMT

--------

soy products increase estrogen levels

and wild yam products (creams and 

supplements available at health food

stores or vitamin stores) for progesterine

balance. Read up on it first in a good

alternative health type book from the

library or bookstore.





==========

Subject: Re: Herbal Estrogens

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:28:30 GMT

--------





Syd Baumel wrote:



> >Also need an herbal alternative to Provera (progesterone),

> >again what is available thru conventional medical practice

> >is not environmentally friendly.

>



I am using a natural progesterone cream - derived from soybeans.  My doctor

diagnosed me as luteal phase deficient - finally a doctor who listened to my

symptoms and figured it out!!!



This cream is great and easy to use, but like I say, mine was a prescription

item that is made up by an alternative pharmacy.



Dr. John R. Lee has some very interesting information at his website on the use

of progesterone creams - sorry don't have a web address off hand.  Just do a

search on his name and progesterone and you'll come up with it.  This stuff is

great - no more PMS, no short cycles, no cyclic constipation.  Also balances

libido.







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal Estrogens

From: skenn1@airmail.net (Susie Kennedy)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:36:02 GMT

--------

Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com> wrote:



>

>





I'm probably on the same hormones from the same pharmacy (I get them mail

order) and I agree, they have helped me greatly.  At times I need more than

I am getting though and am thinking about supplementing with a Soy capsule

(won't mention the brand name).  



I'm a different person on this HRT. I used to be on the synthetics and they

just didn't help much. The key is to find a doctor who will do enough

extensive testing to prove what your body needs.  The pharmacy will make up

a prescription to fit your specific needs.  If you would like the name of

the pharmacy, contact me personally be e-mail.  It is my understanding that

they will give you the name of a doctor in your area who will prescribe

these natural hormones.







==========

Subject: Herbs for Colitis ?

From: abraxas@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:05:50 -0500

--------

Would anyone know of any herbal remedies for Colitis? thanks in advance

Tom





==========

Subject: Re: Mouth ulcers

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 4 Jan 1998 02:26:27 GMT

--------

Although I have concern about using goldenseal internally, it is effective

for mouth ulcers.  Using a cotton swab apply powder directly to affected

area.  Usually, they clear up overnight.

>Also, a strong gargle of myrrh and water used very frequently will work.--



Scooter & Dragonlady

 





==========

Subject: Re: Mouth ulcers

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:35:41 -0900

--------

Rinsing your mouth with an infusion of Red Raspberry helps too.



Kay 





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: horehound tea & Pau D'arco

From: cher@clarkenet.org (Cher R. Clarke)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:02:27 -0600

--------

I found horehound tea today at the tea shop.  I remember as a kid,

horehound candy was the best thing around.



Two Questions: (1) Has it any medicinal properties? and (2) What is that

AWEFUL taste?!



This stuff is NASTY.  I puored it out.  What can I mix with it to make it

drinkable?



I also found Pau D'arco tea.  It's tasty, but very mild.  What's it good

for?



Thanks



Cher





==========

Subject: Re: horehound tea & Pau D'arco

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:16:27 GMT

--------

On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:02:27 -0600, cher@clarkenet.org (Cher R.

Clarke) wrote:



>I found horehound tea today at the tea shop.  I remember as a kid,

>horehound candy was the best thing around.

>

>Two Questions: (1) Has it any medicinal properties? and (2) What is that

>AWEFUL taste?!



LOL....yes the taste is awful isn't it?!  I've never had horehound in

tea form, however I do grow it and make an infusion.  I stuff a jar

full of the leaves and cover with vodka.  Place in a dark place for

about 6 to 8 wks. and strain.

Horehound is known to be an excellent herb for colds, but I was

surprised to find that a dropper full mixed with about 2 inches of

juice will zap a sore throat right away. So.....we use horehound as a

sore throat remedy.  

Don't know if the tea will do the same thing.....and for the taste you

may wan na try adding some honey and lemon...don't know if that'll

help...but hope so.  :-)



ceri



"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw





==========

Subject: Re: horehound tea & Pau D'arco

From: "Scott Lee" <MyBusiness@none0fyours.com>

Date: 4 Jan 1998 16:01:31 GMT

--------

Cher R. Clarke <cher@clarkenet.org> wrote in article

<34af30eb.354611@news.clarkenet.org>...

> I found horehound tea today at the tea shop.  I remember as a kid,

> horehound candy was the best thing around.

> 

> Two Questions: (1) Has it any medicinal properties? and (2) What is that

> AWEFUL taste?!

> 

> This stuff is NASTY.  I puored it out.  What can I mix with it to make it

> drinkable?



Horehound is, in my opinion, an invaluable expectorant when the cold season

appears.  I use it in a syrup.  Here is the recipie for those that are

interested.



1/2 cup Horehound herb.

2 cups water

1-2 cups honey



Simmer the Horehound in the water for 20 minutes, press the excess liquid

from the herb and allow to stand for 15 minutes.  Stir into the honey. 

Take 1-2 tablespoons every 2-4 hours as needed.



Scott Lee





==========

Subject: Re: horehound tea & Pau D'arco

From: Lisa <herbalcandy@worldnet.strumatt.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 21:33:04 -0500

--------

Cher R. Clarke wrote:

> I found horehound tea today at the tea shop.  I remember as a kid,

> horehound candy was the best thing around.



We make all natural old fashioned horehound candy, and we think it

tastes great! :-)

Please visit our website below:

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

from Lisa  (aka: Strumelia Harmonia, practicing mountain dulcimist)

      <><><><><><><><><><>

Shaker Country Meadowsweets Website:

(natural herbal candies & Tea Drops)

http://tri-millenia.net/herbalcandy/

       <><><><><><><><><><>





==========

Subject: Re: horehound tea & Pau D'arco

From: rivcara@aol.com (RivCara)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 16:47:23 GMT

--------

>

>I also found Pau D'arco tea.  It's tasty, but very mild.  What's it good

>for?

>

>



It's good for fungal infections - my girlfriend has chronic yeast infection

problems and she uses Pau D'arco for that and really notices the difference

when she isn't drinking it.  It's also good for parasitic infections and

lowering blood sugar





==========

Subject: Re: Cold Hands

From: battistella@travel-net.com (Robert)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 08:13:15 GMT

--------

wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger) wrote:



>Other than relocating to an area with a  warmer climate what can I do

>about my cold hands? I don't remember this happening last year but then

>again my memory isn't what it used to be either. Isn't the aging process

>wonderfiul? :  (                                                Mark    





I recommend you look into homeopathic remedies. I used to have

cold hands and feet a lot until I was given a remedy by a

professional homeopath. In a matter of weeks, this remedy

got rid of cold extremities as well as several other problems. 

The homeopath will consider your "whole constitution"

in determining the remedy. Chances are, that the cold hands

are not caused by any one thing in particular; thus to eradicate

the problem it is necessary to address a multiplicity of 

unique characteristics in your life.



The remedy that worked for me won't necessarily work for you. 

So you really would have to see an experienced homeopath.  

But be careful. Not all people who call themselves

homeopaths can do the job right. You need to use your discretion.



See the News Group:



own.health.homoeopathy



for more information. If you post your message there, someone

might be of further help on this topic.



Regards,



Robert









==========

Subject: Re: Cold Hands

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 4 Jan 1998 07:03:02 GMT

--------

Robert (battistella@travel-net.com) wrote:

:wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger) wrote:

:

:>Other than relocating to an area with a  warmer climate what can I do

:>about my cold hands? I don't remember this happening last year but then

:>again my memory isn't what it used to be either. Isn't the aging process

:>wonderfiul? :  (                                                Mark    

:

:

:I recommend you look into homeopathic remedies. I used to have

:cold hands and feet a lot until I was given a remedy by a

:professional homeopath. In a matter of weeks, this remedy

:got rid of cold extremities as well as several other problems. 

:The homeopath will consider your "whole constitution"

:in determining the remedy. Chances are, that the cold hands

:are not caused by any one thing in particular; thus to eradicate

:the problem it is necessary to address a multiplicity of 

:unique characteristics in your life.

:

:The remedy that worked for me won't necessarily work for you. 

:So you really would have to see an experienced homeopath.  

:But be careful. Not all people who call themselves

:homeopaths can do the job right. You need to use your discretion.

:

:See the News Group:

:

:own.health.homoeopathy

:

:for more information. If you post your message there, someone

:might be of further help on this topic.

:

:Regards,

:

:Robert

:

:



A thing to try would be herbs that help circulation, like Gotu Kola and

others. Several of the herb sites carry lists of herbs according to

affliction. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Cold Hands

From: "Peter Trappen" <ptrappen@gate.net>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 17:15:45 GMT

--------

Ceyenne Pepper will cure that in a heartbeat. Its heating power will warm

up joints and also defend against cold and flu. We get in capsules here,

sometimes mixed with ginger for sensitive stomachs.







==========

Subject: Herbal gargle

From: "Cliff Urbanas, Jr." <curbanas@erinet.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:06:08 -0500

--------

I have a sore thoat and I want to know what's a good herb to gargle with?

Thanks!

                                              Cliff









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal gargle

From: "Kenneth A. Morrison" <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:41:48 -0500

--------





Cliff Urbanas, Jr. wrote:



> I have a sore thoat and I want to know what's a good herb to gargle with?

> Thanks!

>                                               Cliff



  I'm not sure if this is a good gargle, but I've heard wild cherry bark tea

is good for sore throat.

~Kelly







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal gargle

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:35:50 -0900

--------

Sage tea is great for a sore throat.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Herbal gargle

From: "botany" <botany@gardener.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:09:37 -0500

--------

I never used it as a gargle, but swallowing a coupla ginger root capsules

has always worked for me. Also I swear by the Hall's zinc lozenges too.

Cliff Urbanas, Jr. wrote in message <68nquf$pn3@nntp1.erinet.com>...

>I have a sore thoat and I want to know what's a good herb to gargle with?

>Thanks!

>                                              Cliff

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal gargle

From: kcarter952@aol.com (KCarter952)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 06:06:29 GMT

--------





>Cliff Urbanas, Jr. wrote



>I have a sore thoat and I want to know what's a good herb to gargle with?



>I have a sore thoat and I want to know what's a good herb to gargle with?



Hi Cliff, yellow root is excellent. It's not the same as golden

seal but, some people that don't know better will tell you it

is. It's usually sold in small bundles and is very bitter but it

works.



CE-CE





==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth P.S.

From: "Kenneth A. Morrison" <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 09:30:05 -0500

--------





Nancy 13 wrote:



> Ignore my last post. Just found this site.

> http://www.healthfree.com/herbgarden/stevia/htm

> Nancy 13

>

> Nancy 13 wrote:

> >

> > I remember someone mentioning something called stevia for curbing sweets

> > cravings.  Not sure if it's an herb or not.  Any help?

> >

> > Nancy 13

> >

> > MissLyn wrote:

> > >

> > > anyone know how to stop craving for sweets???any kind of herb??



  Stevia is an herb- to clear that up.  the leaves are very sweet and often

used to replace most sugars with when cooking with it. Soak the leaves in cold

water overnight then strain in the morning to use it.  as far as it stopping

the sweet craving, can't say that I know for sure. But its a common

replacement for sugar.







==========

Subject: Re: sweet tooth P.S.

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:17:21 GMT

--------

In article <34AF9CEC.8BAE3702@sprintmail.com>, kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com wrote:

>

>

>Nancy 13 wrote:

>

>> Ignore my last post. Just found this site.

>> http://www.healthfree.com/herbgarden/stevia/htm

>> Nancy 13

>>

>> Nancy 13 wrote:

>> >

>> > I remember someone mentioning something called stevia for curbing sweets

>> > cravings.  Not sure if it's an herb or not.  Any help?

>> >

>> > Nancy 13

>> >

>> > MissLyn wrote:

>> > >

>> > > anyone know how to stop craving for sweets???any kind of herb??

>

>  Stevia is an herb- to clear that up.  the leaves are very sweet and often

>used to replace most sugars with when cooking with it. Soak the leaves in cold

>water overnight then strain in the morning to use it.  as far as it stopping

>the sweet craving, can't say that I know for sure. But its a common

>replacement for sugar.

>

The latest Herbal Companion magazine has a very good article on stevia. 

Also, a sugar craving may also be a sign that your diet is low on 

protein as can happen with high-carbohydrate diets. You might try 

checking out books on the Atkins Diet and The Zone. Good luck!



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Anti-inflammatory

From: Prep <prep@innocent.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:18:45 -0600

--------

For the past two years I have experienced painful inflammation of the

sinuses without the usual infection that becomes sinusitis.  My doctor

and I have tried the usual round of allergy medication in an effort to

stop the problem with little success.  My primary treatment now consists

of a Medrol pack (steroid) a couple of times a year to reduce the

inflammation, from which I get great results but I am concerned about

the long-term effects of continued steroid use.   Can anyone recommend a

herbal anti-inflammatory that may be good for reducing sinus

inflammation?  I'd much rather tackle the problem naturally if possible.



Also, my mother sent me a bottle of something called Quercetin Complex

that she said was for allergies.  I am not familiar with this product

and have not yet taken it.  If anyone knows anything about it, I'd

appreciate hearing from you.





==========

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 06:09:28 GMT

--------

Prep (prep@innocent.com) wrote:

:For the past two years I have experienced painful inflammation of the

:sinuses without the usual infection that becomes sinusitis.  My doctor

:and I have tried the usual round of allergy medication in an effort to

:stop the problem with little success.  My primary treatment now consists

:of a Medrol pack (steroid) a couple of times a year to reduce the

:inflammation, from which I get great results but I am concerned about

:the long-term effects of continued steroid use.   Can anyone recommend a

:herbal anti-inflammatory that may be good for reducing sinus

:inflammation?  I'd much rather tackle the problem naturally if possible.

:

:Also, my mother sent me a bottle of something called Quercetin Complex

:that she said was for allergies.  I am not familiar with this product

:and have not yet taken it.  If anyone knows anything about it, I'd

:appreciate hearing from you.



Turmeric is a good anti-inflammatory, but you need to take it on a daily basis

for a few weeks before it begins to take effective effect.



I used to have swollen sinuses often - now I don't.  You can get Turmeric at

herbal health stores and it's quite cheap. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory

From: caGe <guz@idt.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 01:36:00 -0800

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Prep wrote:

> 

> For the past two years I have experienced painful inflammation of the

> sinuses without the usual infection that becomes sinusitis. 



Has your doctor covered stuff like a possible deviated septum, or

nasal polyps ?





> My doctor and I have tried the usual round of allergy medication in an 

> effort to stop the problem with little success.  



I had the same trouble.  Claritin worked great for me, but then I switched

to what I discuss below...





> My primary treatment now consists of a Medrol pack (steroid) a couple of

> times a year to reduce the inflammation, from which I get great results but 

> I am concerned about the long-term effects of continued steroid use.  



Been that route too.  As long as it's a small dose (e.g. 2 mg) with twice-a-

year administration, I wouldn't worry.  Your body makes steroids anyway,

so a little more isn't *that* bad.





> Can anyone recommend a herbal anti-inflammatory that may be good for reducing

> sinus inflammation?  I'd much rather tackle the problem naturally if possible.



Treating the inflammatory response is treating the symptom, not the cause.

Try the Garlic/Echinacea route.  Worked great for me.  I use Maximum Allicin

garlic from Quintessence, and Echinacea-Power from Nature's Herbs...





> Also, my mother sent me a bottle of something called Quercetin Complex

> that she said was for allergies.  I am not familiar with this product

> and have not yet taken it.  If anyone knows anything about it, I'd

> appreciate hearing from you.



Quercetin is a bioflavonoid.  Not an herb, but it is of botanical origin.

The standard approach to "natural" allergy treatment.  Bioflavonoids work

best when taken with Vitamin C.  Natrol (and other brands) makes an Ester-C

plus Bios formulation...





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Subject: Re: Anti-inflammatory

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet.

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:05:25 GMT

--------

On Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:18:45 -0600, Prep <prep@innocent.com> wrote:



>For the past two years I have experienced painful inflammation of the

>sinuses without the usual infection that becomes sinusitis.  My doctor

>and I have tried the usual round of allergy medication in an effort to

>stop the problem with little success.  My primary treatment now consists

>of a Medrol pack (steroid) a couple of times a year to reduce the

>inflammation, from which I get great results but I am concerned about

>the long-term effects of continued steroid use.   Can anyone recommend a

>herbal anti-inflammatory that may be good for reducing sinus

>inflammation?  I'd much rather tackle the problem naturally if possible.

>

>Also, my mother sent me a bottle of something called Quercetin Complex

>that she said was for allergies.  I am not familiar with this product

>and have not yet taken it.  If anyone knows anything about it, I'd

>appreciate hearing from you.



I too have had a great deal of trouble in recent years of the kind you

describe, even to the extent of (almost) having teeth out in

desperation, because we couldn't find the cause of the pain.



Nowadays I have a prescription for the anti-inflammatory drug,

Naproxen which I take for a few days when the pain is unbearable.

(I live in the U.K., it may be called something else in another

country.)



Fortunately that is now rare, because I have discovered the benefits

of inhalation.  I have purchased a small inhaling cup and regularly

inhale steam from menthol and eucalyptus in hot water a couple of

times a day, which gradually over a period of weeks has reduced the

blockage and thus the pain.



In conjunction with this, I have been several times a day, holding my

nose and blowing through it, as you would do to clear your ears on an

aeroplane.  Both these remedies were suggested to me by a very good

locum who ran my own doctor's practice while she was away on holiday.



At night, I use an aromastream fan with which I use either eucalyptus,

rosemary or tea-tree essential oil, or a combination of two.  This has

had the effect of keeping my sinuses clear enough for me to sleep

through the night, which I used not to be able to do.



If the condition is produced by an allergy, as mine is, it is also

beneficial to try to keep clear of overheated rooms and cars, as heat

seems to exacerbate the problem.  At night, try to have very little or

no heating in the bedroom, even have the window open slightly if you

live somewhere where that is possible.



If you can live without fitted carpets, that helps too.



I know it sounds silly, but I also vacuum the mattress every time I

change the sheets.



Having said all this, if you have recurring infection problem,

sometimes it is necessary to use antibiotics.



Hope some or all of this may help



Regards,



Geraldine



sometimes i sits and thinks and sometimes i just sits.

remove my stocking to e-mail me





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Subject: Ginko Biloba where can I get it and what is it

From: "David" <dletts@plix.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:13:45 -0800

--------

What Exactly is Ginko Biloba?   Where can it be obtained?       What does it

do?



            Thanks,

            David









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Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba where can I get it and what is it

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 00:24:10 GMT

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Ginko does many things. The greatest benefit, though is increased circulation.

It has also been proven to increase mental clarity. Any health food store

should have it. Just make sure that it is in tincture form (Extracted using

grain alcohol).... NOt wood alcohol.

Kerry





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Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba where can I get it and what is it

From: megnbill@aol.com (MegnBill)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 21:26:14 GMT

--------

Just curious. Why does it need to be in a tincture form?

Thanks.

Megan





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Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba where can I get it and what is it

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 23:58:38 -0600

--------

Megan,



	From what I have heard (granted it could be wrong) is that a tea

of the leaves won't do it.   Something stronger (like 150+ proof alcohol) 

will get the active constituents out though.    I have tasted the water

extract and it is the most vile thing I have ever consumed.   The alcohol

extract is barely palatable, but if mixed with a strong citrus juice can

be chugged down.    Most of the research on Gingko Biloba is done on

standardized alcohol extracts containing 24% bilobades(sp?), or GBE-761 (a

german pharmaceutical standardized ginkgo biloba extract)



	Ginkgo kernal and gingko root are used in chinese medicine, but I

wonder why ginkgo leaf was never investigated/tried before? It seems this

is a discovery of western origin (although what's in the root or kernal I

don't know).





	...Rodney



MegnBill (megnbill@aol.com) wrote:

: Just curious. Why does it need to be in a tincture form?

: Thanks.

: Megan





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Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba where can I get it and what is it

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 15:38:03 GMT

--------

Rodney Reid (rreid@earth.execpc.com) wrote:

:Megan,

:

:	From what I have heard (granted it could be wrong) is that a tea

:of the leaves won't do it.   Something stronger (like 150+ proof alcohol) 

:will get the active constituents out though.    I have tasted the water

:extract and it is the most vile thing I have ever consumed.   The alcohol

:extract is barely palatable, but if mixed with a strong citrus juice can

:be chugged down.    Most of the research on Gingko Biloba is done on

:standardized alcohol extracts containing 24% bilobades(sp?), or GBE-761 (a

:german pharmaceutical standardized ginkgo biloba extract)

:

:	Ginkgo kernal and gingko root are used in chinese medicine, but I

:wonder why ginkgo leaf was never investigated/tried before? It seems this

:is a discovery of western origin (although what's in the root or kernal I

:don't know).

:

:



I use the powdered bulk form.  I've tried all kinds, from pills to caps,

standardized and not.  I find the powder to be a lot cheaper, and just as

effective.  The difficulty might arise in buying from different batches of

ginkgo powder, as their strengths will not always be identical.



I get these powders from an herbal shop.



A quarter teaspoon does it for me. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







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Subject: Use a natural deodorant

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 17:38:40 -0600

--------

About a year ago I noticed  discoloration under one of my arms so I quit

using deodorant for a few weeks to see if it would go away & it did.

Thinking it might be the brand I was using I switched to something else.

Well, a few weeks after I did,  the discoloration returned. Then I

switched to a natural brand, it cost about 4-5 times more but I haven't

had any discoloration since. Cancer runs in my family so I'm cautious,

one of my Grandmothers died of cancer and it was under her arm where it

was first noticed. I checked the ingredients on the commercial brand &

it contained Propylene Glycol which is used in anti-freeze & preserving

wood, not exactly what you want to put under your arm. There are

different types of natural deodorants on the market. I use the disolved

crystal roll-on type by Kiss My Face I'm happy with it so I'm sticking

with it, I'm sure most of the other natural brands (if not all) are good

also. This is not an ad for any specific brand name but I am definitely

beginning to be more inclined for natural products in general. IMO most

of the big corporations have proven time & time again that they could

care less if we live or die, they just want to sell product.   Mark





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:59:40 GMT

--------

Has anyone seen or know anything about the rock/crystal that you rub on?

I have been curious because it was advertised as "natural" but did not

really say what it is.







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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:38:55 -0600

--------

Dragonlady & Scooter wrote:

> 

> Has anyone seen or know anything about the rock/crystal that you rub

> on? I have been curious because it was advertised as "natural" but 

> did not really say what it is.



Potassium salts.  Kills the bacteria which cause odor.  Works for me,

I've had other people tell me it doesn't work for them.  May have

something to do with your individual body chemistry....



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:22:55 -0600

--------



Yes, I purchased some through Frontier Herb Coop, and it really works!  

It isn't a true "rock", its a lump of salt (I forget what salt - and I'm 

at work so can't check), which you have to wet, then 

rub on.  The only drawback is you need to wait until it dries.  (Do the 

funky chicken - start your day with a smile)



Gale D. Koch



On 5 Jan 1998, Dragonlady & Scooter wrote:



> Has anyone seen or know anything about the rock/crystal that you rub on?

> I have been curious because it was advertised as "natural" but did not

> really say what it is.

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 6 Jan 1998 17:46:48 GMT

--------

Better to 'funky chicken" from a lump of salt than to find a lump created

from a host of chemicals.  Doubly therapeutic - smiles are very healthy.

Thanks a bunch

-- 

Scooter & Dragonlady



 





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: Penny Freshwater <pfreshwa@hr.house.gov>

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 17:25:37 +0000

--------

works very well, just avoid the ones that have aluminum salts in em





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:07:17 -0500

--------



Gary Reents wrote in message <34b2cec5.34789185@NEWS.ERINET.COM>...

>On 5 Jan 1998 01:59:40 GMT, "Dragonlady & Scooter"

><dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>

>>Has anyone seen or know anything about the rock/crystal that you rub on?

>>I have been curious because it was advertised as "natural" but did not

>>really say what it is.

>

>I use one called Crystal.

>

>Works great! I was really amazed.

>





I have a sneeking suspicial this stuffs really just Alum in crystalline

form.  That's ALUMinum salt, folks; I think that's what we would like to

avoid, no?  I was never able to get anyone to tell me just what the stuff

was composed of, which (given my suspicious if not cynical nature) makes me

think someone's pulling a fast one.  I like ingredient labels! (I sometimes

buy stuff just so I can read the label again and again and... ;-)



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:00:28 -0600

--------



I suppose it could be in some RJ, but the one i'm using is potassium salt 

I believe.  I read the listed ingredient on the box it came in, thinking 

that Aluminum was a possible too - but no, it weren't there.



Gale.



On Wed, 7 Jan 

1998, Richard J. Ogden wrote: > 

> I have a sneeking suspicial this stuffs really just Alum in crystalline

> form.  That's ALUMinum salt, folks; I think that's what we would like to

> avoid, no?  I was never able to get anyone to tell me just what the stuff

> was composed of, which (given my suspicious if not cynical nature) makes me

> think someone's pulling a fast one.  I like ingredient labels! (I sometimes

> buy stuff just so I can read the label again and again and... ;-)

> 

> -RJO





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: ezekielk@mailcity.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:28:36 GMT

--------

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:07:17 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> said:



>I have a sneeking suspicial this stuffs really just Alum in crystalline

>form.  That's ALUMinum salt, folks; I think that's what we would like to

>avoid, no? 



For years, I have used a spot of baking soda under each armpit, with

excellent results...thus avoiding both chemical packaged deoderants,

as well as aluminum...not to mention the savings in dollars.  As a

friend likes to tell me: "If it works on kitty litter, it should work

on you!"



Also, shaving one's armpits cuts down on body odor, too.





---

My web site kicks (but never licks) butt!

http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/

mailto: ezekielk@mailcity.com

---

Send me toll-free voice mail (USA only):

http://www.pagoo.com/cgi-bin/me.dll?11564153





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:03:56 -0500

--------

I've often wondered about the safety of the over the counter

antiperspirants. I've noticed that aluminum is a major ingredient in

most of them (Although if you travel abroad that isn't necessarily true-

do they know something we don't know)

Think about it. Especially women should be concerned since we shave

under our arms, we're openng up the pores and applying possibly unsafe

products to an area with a tremendous amount of glands. Could there be a

correlation with breast cancer? Who knows maybe I'm just paranoid but

I'll stick to my health food store bought deodorant!





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Subject: Re: Healthy coffee? (Was: Green tea)

From: "Kate" <klindner@jlc.net>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:33:07 GMT

--------





Lewis Perin <perin@panix.com> wrote in article

<pc74t3knfmr.fsf_-_@panix.com>...



> This is fascinating.  Am I to believe that I'm benefiting from coffee?

> That would be almost too good to be true.  Evidence, anyone?

> 

> Cheers, Lew

> 



  I first read about it in some woman's magazine.  It may have been

"Woman's World".  It said that coffee contains antioxidants if it is fresh

brewed and consumed within 15 minutes.



  Since reading your post, I looked for a more respectable source.  I Alta

Vistaed and found a quote from Stanley Segall a Drexel University,

Philadelphia.  



  An Avicenna search turned up an article called "The inhibitory effect of

coffee on radical -mediated oxidation..."( Stadler, Nestec Ltd,

Research Center of Quality and Safety, Lausanne, Switzerland.  )  From what

I gathered, coffee has antioxidantss, but it picks up hydrogen peroxide as

it sits and becomes pro-oxidant,.  Kind of consistent with the fresh brewed

advice.  It sounds to me like it rules out the stale coffee your likely to

find in the office.



  BTW, this is intended for information, not advice.



                                                                           

                                                Kate







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To: perin@panix.com

Subject: Re: Healthy coffee? (Was: Green tea)

From: "Jonathan, Andrew, or Lina" <barnhaus@mediaone.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 08:59:34 +0000

--------

Coffee has about half of the anti-oxidant value of tea, according to one

source (see below). 



I came across an article on a kit that tests the antioxidant properties

of beverages (aimed at winemakers). There are charts and tables that

compare coffee to red + white wines and green tea, beer, and a few fruit

juices. 



the url is:

http://smartwine.com/wbm/1997/9703/bmc9743.htm



I have attached a gif of one of the tables. 



Maybe I should cut down on milk in my coffee ;)



Best wishes, Jonathan

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Subject: HERBS FOR ASTHMA

From: proforma1@aol.com (ProForma1)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 01:57:27 GMT

--------

I "developed" asthma 10 years ago at the age of 25 and have been taking

medications daily since.  I'm wondering if there are herbs known to help asthma

sufferers.  I'd like to get away from all the meds.  Thanks!





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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: "dawnrazor" <therion@cstone.net>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 04:39:47 GMT

--------

The best things I have found for insomnia are scullcap and passionflower. 

They are very gentle but very effective.  Scullcap also helps with cramps

and anxiety.



Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com> wrote in article

<880313235.797204@wagasa.cts.com>...

> Leslie (lesliew@interlog.com) wrote:

> :I have a friend at school that can not sleep and has an adverse reaction

> :to camomile.  He says that valerian works every once in a while, but can

> :not use it all the time.  

> :

> :He doesn't know the proper way to take St John's Wort.  Does anyone have

> :any suggesions?

> :

> :Thanks,

> :Leslie

> 

> Valerian one gets used to exremely quickly (a matter of a few days), so I

> alternate between kava kava and valerian. Nex

> 

>

__________________________________________________________________________

> 

> "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

perhaps

> then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

>

__________________________________________________________________________

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 05:23:33 GMT

--------

I have the perfect remedy for sleep, it will not fail....Spend a day with my

three year old daughter.  No herbs will be necessary.  :o)

~debra~







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Subject: Re: Can NOT sleep

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 06:14:07 GMT

--------

dawnrazor (therion@cstone.net) wrote:

:The best things I have found for insomnia are scullcap and passionflower. 

:They are very gentle but very effective.  Scullcap also helps with cramps

:and anxiety.

:



I like Scullcap too but I use it during the day at low doses, just to

cool-out.  Lays me back a bit, especially when I've been doing b-complex and

ginkgo.  I also find that it's a great aid to meditation.  I have deeper,

better sessions using modest amounts of Scullcap than without. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







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Subject: Book on Herbs

From: "Taisir A. Hasan" <Taisir@eams.fundea.es>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 11:51:43 +0100

--------

I wonder if any of you can recommend the best book on herbs

usage and benefits.  I am not an expert on the subject and I am

looking for a book that includes many pictures of the herbs and the

way that need to be prepared for consumption.  I will be visiting the

US in few days and any help before Thursday Jan 8 is appreciated.

Recommended bookstores in Wash DC and L.A are also appreciated.









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Subject: Re: Book on Herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 19:13:29 GMT

--------

In article <34B0BB36.C93182B1@eams.fundea.es>, "Taisir A. Hasan"

<Taisir@eams.fundea.es> writes:



>  I am not an expert on the subject and I am

looking for a book that includes

>many pictures of the herbs and the

way that need to be prepared for

>consumption.  I will be visiting the

US in few days and any help before

>Thursday Jan 8 is appreciated.

Recommended bookstores in Wash DC and L.A are

>also appreciated.



The books of Penelope Ody, the COMPLETE MEDICINAL HERBAL and HOME HERBAL, fit

that description. As does Debra St. Claire's Herbal Medicine Cabinet. You

should be able to find these in any bookstore or health food shop that has an

herbal section.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

more herb books listed at:

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/herbs.htm

or go to

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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To: Evelyn Rainey <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Book on Herbs

From: mpacord@concentric.net

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:30:34 -0800

--------

Evelyn Rainey wrote:

> 

> One of the best books on herbs that I've found (as use quite a lot) is

> 

> A Modern Herbal

> by Mrs. M. Grieve F.R.H.S.

> ISBN 0-88029-921-5

> It was first published by Jonathan Cape Ltd and reprinted in 1996 by Barnes

> & Noble Inc.

> 

>   EnJoy the Earth,

> ej

> http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/index.html

> 

> Taisir A. Hasan wrote in message <34B0BB36.C93182B1@eams.fundea.es>...

> >I wonder if any of you can recommend the best book on herbs

> >usage and benefits.  I am not an expert on the subject and I am

> >looking for a book that includes many pictures of the herbs and the

> >way that need to be prepared for consumption.  I will be visiting the

> >US in few days and any help before Thursday Jan 8 is appreciated.

> >Recommended bookstores in Wash DC and L.A are also appreciated.

> >

> >

You might also like to know that it is available online at:

	http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html

    A Sympathetic MD;-)>





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Subject: Re: Book on Herbs

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:56:54 GMT

--------

>>You might also like to know that it is available online at:

>> http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html

>>    A Sympathetic MD;-)>

>

>The main problem with the Grieve book (and it is unfortunately a rather

>serious one, in my opinion) is that there is no index to herb uses or

>properties.  You really have to read the book cover to cover to find herbs

>that may be useful for a specific disorder (I know - I've already done it a

>number of times!).  [snip]





Agreed on all counts!  I have the book on my bookshelf, but when I'm

searching for information on a specific condition or effect I usually hit

the website and use the search function.  Or research the condition in

another book that *does* have a properties index, and then cross-check any

promising herbs in AMH.  Tedious, but it works...



Beth



Beth









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Subject: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: "Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 15:16:45 GMT

--------

I suffer from poor circulation.  Admitted that I do live in scotland where

the weather is a tad chilly.

However it can happen at any time wither it be in the car with the radiator

on or sitting by the fire on 

a cold frosty night.



The symptoms being 

1) 	pins and needles starting in my finger tips

2)	fingers going a horrible white colour

3)	fingers go numb.



I am out in the cold night air a lot( I have a horse), it can be real

inconvenience.



Any advice would be appreiated.



--

Angela McK





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Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 15:51:10 GMT

--------

Hi Angela,

 My husband had (has) the same symptoms and it scared him into going to the

doctor.  He was diagnosed with Reynaud's Phenomena.  Look it up on the web and

see if it fits you.  He does not treat it with anything.  If you look it up I

believe that it tells you to stay away from particular foods (caffeine?).  It

has not affected him too much this winter (yet) however if it does, I am

planning to go to the healthfood store and see what natural remedies I can

find.  Good luck...I hope that this helps.

~debra~







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Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: "Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk>

Date: 5 Jan 1998 20:55:02 GMT

--------



Deborah....Thanks for the advice.  

I've just cruised the sights on "Reynauds phenomenon".  Wow!  The symptoms

describe me to a Tee.

(Although I'm not a hypochondriac - honest).



I won't be running to the doctor,  but I will try out some of the

nutritional advice and perhaps take a vitamin E

supplement.



Thanks again



--

Angela McK

  





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Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 00:16:31 GMT

--------

Burdock root and ginko will help the blood and with circulation problems.

The one thing that does cause me some concern is the numbness and tingling in

the fingers. In the absense of frostbite, this many times is caused by

constriction of the main nerve root  located between the 5th and 6th cervicle

vertabre.

Kerry





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Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: mikes84692@aol.com (MikeS84692)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 03:18:11 GMT

--------

Consult a Medical Doctor who is also experienced in Naturopathy. Also, ask your

doctor if a recommendation to a Chiroprator would be of any benefit in your

condition.



There are times, in which "pinched nerves" can cause symptons similar to those

which you described.



For informational purposes only, there are many disorders associated with

circulatory problems. High blood pressure or hypertension results when

cholesterol plaque deposits along the walls of the arteries, and causes them to

harden and constrict. Because the arteries are constricted, the blood exerts a

greater force against the walls of the blood vessels, causing the blood

pressure to rise. Arteriosclerosis or "hardening of the arteries" is associated

with lack of circulation due to narrowing of the arteries from fatty deposits

as well. In addition, circulatory problems can lead to stroke and angina

pectoris (chest pain). 

Another circulatory disease brought on by chronic inflammation of the veins and

arteries in the lower parts of the body is Buerger's disease. This disease is

most prevalent among people who smoke. Early signs of Buerger's disease are a

tingling sensation (commonly referred to as "pins and needles") and a burning

sensation in the fingers and toes.

Another serious circulatory condition called Raynaud's disease is characterized

by constriction and spasm of the bloodvessels in the extremities, such as in

the fingers, toes, and tips of the nose. Cold, stress, smoking, and other

factors may cause fingers and toes to numb; extremities may appear colorless

due to lack of circulation and arterial spasm. This disease most commonly

affects women and occasionally leads to gangrene. In addition, poor circulation

can result from varicose veins that have developed due to a loss of elasticity

in the walls of the veins.

Because sluggish circulation can be caused by several things, you should see

your doctor if it is persistent.

For informational purposes: 



Listed in order of importance -



L-Carnitine (amino acid) 500mg twice daily helps to strengthen the hear muscle

and to promote circulation by transporting long fatty acid chains.



Chlorophyll Liquid or pill form as directed on label. Enhances circulation and

helps build healthy cells. 



Coenzyme Q10 100mg daily. Improves tissue oxygenation



Garlic capsules (Kyolic) 2 caps 3 times a day or 1tbsp. in dry form before

meals. This odorless garlic helps to strengthen the heart muscle and naturally

lowers blood pressure.



Lecithin 2 capsules 3 times daily. Emulsifies (breaks up) fats.



Vitamin B complex.



Herbs - Use at random the following - Black Cohosh, Butcher's Broom, Cayenne

(really good), Chickweed, Circu formula (herbal combination), Gentian Root,

Ginkgo Biloba, Goldenseal, Hawthorn Berries (excellent for heart), Horseradish,

Rose Hips, Licorice Root. 



Ginkgo is being used in some clinics for circulation disorders.



Make sure that your diet is high in fiber. Oat bran can help lower your

cholesterol levels. Include the following in your diet: bananas, broccoli,

brown rice, endive, garlic, cayenne powder, lima beans, onions, pears, peas,

and spinach. Eliminate animal protein and fatty foods (such as red meat), white

flour, and sugar from your diet. Do not use stimulants such as coffee, colas,

and tobacco, or foods with LOTS of spices.



Give yourself a dry massage over your entire body using a loofah sponge or

natural bath brush. Also dip a towel in cold water and rub it briskly over

parts of the body.



Regular exercise is important to help blood flow and keep arteries soft and

unclogged. 



Keep your weight down, and try to use steam-distilled or natural water.







==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: "John G." <guz@idt.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:20:52 -0800

--------

MikeS84692 wrote:

> 

> For informational purposes only, there are many disorders associated 

> with circulatory problems. 



Indeed.  I'll add mention of diabetic neuropathy to your list.



I'd like to comment on some of your other points too:





> Lecithin 2 capsules 3 times daily.  Emulsifies (breaks up) fats.



Lecithin is one of those Yin & Yang deals.  While it is necessary

for the proper function of every living cell in the body, too much

can raise serum triglycerides.  



Quality/concentration varies wildly from brand to brand.  You really

have to do your homework if you're going to supplement wisely with

lecithin.





> Vitamin B complex.



Actually, an excess of the B's (specifically B-6) can *cause* tingling

of the variety described by the original poster.  I wouldn't use more

than 25 mg/day of any of the B's...





==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: jayde@no.junk.email.com

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 23:32:30 GMT

--------

Not sure if this fits or not...I suffer from soem of the very symptoms

you have mentioned.  However, I have carpal tundel syndrome.  I am not

sure of any herbal remedies for this but this might be something to

consider.  Good luck to you.





==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: "Peter Trappen" <ptrappen@gate.net>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 17:13:02 GMT

--------

Ceyenne Pepper will cure that in a heartbeat. Its heating power will warm

up joints and also defend against cold and flu. We get in capsules here,

sometimes mixed with ginger for sensitive stomachs.







==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:42:51 -0500

--------

Dear Angela McK;



The following Herbs will alleviate Blood Circulation Disorders:

1- ANGELICA: tea made out of young leaves or roots will help stimulate the

circulation.

2- CHERVIL: Tea made out of the leaves will stimulate digestion and

alleviate circulation disorders.

3- SORREL: Is considered to have blood-cleansing and blood improving

qualities in a similar way to spinach, which improves the hemoglobin content

of the blood. Sorrel leaves can be eaten as greens.



Good luck, and if nothing work out for you, then you better see a doctor.



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: Raymond Heath <alphah@nwlink.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:13:39 -0800

--------

Also try Hawthorn, it also opens up the blood vessels and is very

noticable on migraine headaches where the blood vessels are constricted

and the pressure is so high your head wants to burst !



                                                        Raymond



Sabry Alsharkawi wrote:

> 

> Dear Angela McK;

> 

> The following Herbs will alleviate Blood Circulation Disorders:

> 1- ANGELICA: tea made out of young leaves or roots will help stimulate the

> circulation.

> 2- CHERVIL: Tea made out of the leaves will stimulate digestion and

> alleviate circulation disorders.

> 3- SORREL: Is considered to have blood-cleansing and blood improving

> qualities in a similar way to spinach, which improves the hemoglobin content

> of the blood. Sorrel leaves can be eaten as greens.

> 

> Good luck, and if nothing work out for you, then you better see a doctor.

> 

> --

> Sabry Alsharkawi

> 6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

> Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

> Phone:  540-347-4747

> Fax:      540-347-4646

> e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com





==========

Subject: Re: Bad Circulation - Help!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 06:44:00 -0700

--------

"Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk> wrote:



>The symptoms being 

>1) 	pins and needles starting in my finger tips

>2)	fingers going a horrible white colour

>3)	fingers go numb.

>

>I am out in the cold night air a lot( I have a horse), it can be real

>inconvenience.

Horses are handy hand-warmers because you can slide your hands

under its mane to thaw.



Sounds like "Reynaud's Syndrome", which my medical books say is

"poorly understood" (doctor-ese for 'we haven't a clue').  But,

you can minimize the symptoms.



One trick is to KEEP the hands warm: put gloves on before you go

outside, for example.  And try to keep your hands dry.  difficult

to keep anything dry in Scotland, but waterproof or Gore-Tex

mittens might help.



Look for "shooter's mittens" - they are a mitten with a

lightweight glove inside.  You wear the mittens most of the time,

but can pull the mitten part off your hand when manual dexterity

is needed.

Keeping your head and body warm (hats and vests) leaves more warm

blood for the hands.



Avoid anything that constricts blood vessels: nicotine is the

worst offender, so if you smoke, quit.



One of the B-vitamins has a definite capillary expanding effect -

I think it's nicotinamide (no relation to nicotine).

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Grape juice? (was Healthy coffee? (Was: Green tea))

From: "David Harwood" <nospam@no.where>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:13:29 -0500

--------

So red wine (and green tea) are high in anti-oxidants.

The obvious question is: what about pure purple (Concord) grape juice?





Jonathan, Andrew, or Lina wrote in message <34B0A0F6.1461@mediaone.net>...

>Coffee has about half of the anti-oxidant value of tea, according to one

>source (see below).

>

>I came across an article on a kit that tests the antioxidant properties

>of beverages (aimed at winemakers). There are charts and tables that

>compare coffee to red + white wines and green tea, beer, and a few fruit

>juices.

>

>the url is:

>http://smartwine.com/wbm/1997/9703/bmc9743.htm

>

>I have attached a gif of one of the tables.

>

>Maybe I should cut down on milk in my coffee ;)

>

>Best wishes, Jonathan

>









==========

Subject: Arnica montana

From: "Steve Rudawski" <Rudawski@msn>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:17:50 -0600

--------

Does anybody out there know about Arnica montana.  Any information would be

appreciated!

Steve Rudawski

Rudawski@msn.com









==========

Subject: Re: Arnica montana

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 06:45:00 -0700

--------

"Steve Rudawski" <Rudawski@msn> wrote:



>Does anybody out there know about Arnica montana.  Any information would be

>appreciated!



Arnica is used EXTERNALLY for muscle pain.  Taken internally is

is toxic!  

there are several OTC salves and gels available.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Arnica montana

From: "tish" <Tish53@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 9 Jan 1998 17:49:38 GMT

--------

I have used Arnica for many years...a friend o f mine who is a physical

therapist told me about.

YES, use it on aching muscles, cramping feet (good w/ peppermint and aloe)

You only need a little...it goes a long way

-- 

Peace,

Tish

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dreaming permits each and every one of us to be

quietly and safely insane every night of our lives.-Charles Fisher



Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<34b4939b.1952473@news.primenet.com>...

> "Steve Rudawski" <Rudawski@msn> wrote:

> 

> >Does anybody out there know about Arnica montana.  Any information would

be

> >appreciated!

> 

> Arnica is used EXTERNALLY for muscle pain.  Taken internally is

> is toxic!  

> there are several OTC salves and gels available.

> Callie

> Callie @-sign writepage.com     

> (the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

>  But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Arnica montana

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:10:02 GMT

--------



Steve Rudawski wrote in message <#uZrYZhG9GA.241@upnetnews04>...

>Does anybody out there know about Arnica montana.  Any information would be

>appreciated!

>Steve Rudawski

>Rudawski@msn.com

>

>

A friend makes a wonderful "bruise juice" that's a tincture or arnica,

comfrey, and two or three other herbs.  Also called leopard's bane... toxic

internally, use only on *bruises* and other *unbroken* skin wounds, and

never internally.  Dian Dincin Buchman has a good article in "Herbal

Medicine".



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: Arnica montana

From: jcalden@dcn.davis.ca.us (John C. Alden)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:08:58 GMT

--------

On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 14:17:50 -0600, "Steve Rudawski" <Rudawski@msn>

wrote:

>Does anybody out there know about Arnica montana.  Any info would be

>appreciated!

>Steve Rudawski

>Rudawski@msn.com

Pick up a homeopathic version of Arnica (say, by Standard Homeopathic,

Boiron, or Hylands--companies in the US). You *can* take homeopathic

Arnica internally, for the same symptoms (bruising, aches, etc.) as

you might use the salve, cream, ointment, or oil. Only difference

being you do not want to put Arnica on an open wound or cut--it can

irritate the area. I'd recommend the 30c or 30x potency.







==========

Subject: St. Johns for a 9 year old

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 20:41:59 GMT

--------

Hi, folks.  I have a 9 year old son who has a bent towards depression.  At what

age is it okay to try giving him St. John's Wort?  If he is old enough, what

dosage is correct?  He weighs about 65 pounds.



thanks,



Leslie



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==========

Subject: Re: St. Johns for a 9 year old

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:33:16 -0500

--------

I realize that this is an alternative medical type forum; however I do

believe you need to have your son medically evaluated and truly

diagnosed as depressed before even considering any type of alternative

home remedy.Everybody has mood swings to one degree or another, and that

is normal - especially in a developing body. I do not  disagree with the

usuage of St Johns wort (I myelf have been using it for over a  year

with excellent results. But I do believe that many people do not fully

understand what depression is., those same people are expecting to find

a miracle happy pill in St Johns Wort. Please do not give it to your

son!  I do not dispute that it is possible for a child to be depressed;

however you should explore many other avenues before even considering

this treatment.

Please speak to your son and find out if there is anything bothering him

to cause the depression.  Few adults remember the pressure felt by

adolescents. You should also take a close look at his diet. Try and

limit his sugar intake, cut down on fats, and all the other things us

adults try to do. And try to encourage him to exercise more. I really

believe there's no better medicine than a loving parent, a healthy diet,

and some fresh air and sunshine.

I wish you and your son the best; he is very lucky to have a parent that

cares so much about his well being.





==========

Subject: Ear Oil Blend

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 5 Jan 1998 20:45:58 GMT

--------

Hi!  I just purchased an ear oil blend for children's ear infections, and

thought I would post the ingredients here to get some of your expert opinions

on whether or not this would be appropriate for small children with an ear

infection.  In addition to these oil drops, I have been using hydrogen peroxide

in his ear three times a day and it just bubbles away!



Ingredients (exact amounts not provided on label)



St. Johns Wort, Mullein Flowers, Garlic, Vit. #, Safflower and/or Olive Oil. 

Warm Process Extraction.  All products are wildcrafted and/or Organic. 

Manufactured by Dragon River Herbals.



My son was on antibiotics for almost two years straight and I really would like

to beat this ear infection WITHOUT the use of antibiotics!



Thanks,



Leslie



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                    http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Sports.html



Check It Out!!! 





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Oil Blend

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:02:14 -0600

--------

*Wonderful* stuff!  Actually has some analgesic effect.  Couple drops,

massage the ear, about 5 minutes later the kid is out of the screaming

pain cycle.  I also use it for small wounds like paper cuts.



-Kyra



Laelsport wrote:

> 

> Hi!  I just purchased an ear oil blend for children's ear infections,

> and thought I would post the ingredients here to get some of your 

> expert opinions on whether or not this would be appropriate for small 

> children with an ear infection.  In addition to these oil drops, I 

> have been using hydrogen peroxide in his ear three times a day and it 

> just bubbles away!

> 

> Ingredients (exact amounts not provided on label)

> 

> St. Johns Wort, Mullein Flowers, Garlic, Vit. #, Safflower and/or 

> Olive Oil. Warm Process Extraction.  All products are wildcrafted 

> and/or Organic. Manufactured by Dragon River Herbals.

> 

> My son was on antibiotics for almost two years straight and I really 

> would like to beat this ear infection WITHOUT the use of antibiotics!





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Oil Blend

From: "Melinda" <hr@mindpower-inc.com>

Date: 6 Jan 1998 19:02:44 GMT

--------

Can you please post where the "ear oil blend" can be purchased, I am in the

Seattle area and have a 9 month old daughter who will be eternally

grateful!

Melinda



Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net> wrote in article

<34B17486.52A5@flash.net>...

> *Wonderful* stuff!  Actually has some analgesic effect.  Couple drops,

> massage the ear, about 5 minutes later the kid is out of the screaming

> pain cycle.  I also use it for small wounds like paper cuts.

> 

> -Kyra







==========

Subject: Re: Ear Oil Blend

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:09 -0900

--------

A midwife friend of mine made mine for me. It is very easy to make. If you would like to learn how, I can phone her and post the instructions.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Ear Oil Blend

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:05:40 -0900

--------

Here they are Leslie:



You will need a bottle with a dropper.

1 ounce of olive oil

1 bulb of garlic. Wash the bulb, peel and all.

Put it in a blender (peel and all) with the olive oil and blend it together. Strain through a couple of layers of cheesecloth and put it into your bottle.

If you want to preserve it, put in a capsule of Vitamin E oil. You don't have to refrigerate it and it should keep for sometime. I've had my one bottle for a year and use it on my neighbors kids. (My kids don't get earaches!!) When you use it, use 4 to 6 drops in the ear that is affected up to 4 times a day.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Ear Oil Blend

From: Tracy <tantrixJUNK@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:58:00 -0800

--------

Very cool.  I have been using the garlic/olive oil for about four years,

because I have ear aches (lol I am 28! No kid:-).   While I was living

in Hawaii I cam down with one and i couldnt believe the  pain I was in.

It was so bad I started crying in front of the doctor....and the

prescribed antibiotic didnt even help one bit!  A friend made me the

concoction, and I totally thought she was nuts!  Oil and garlic...in my

ear!!??  Well I was despirit and in total pain, so I put it in  my ear

that night, and by the morning...no pain, and most of the swelling was

gone.



    I still get  ear infections maybe one a year, once every two

years...especially during the winter....and I use a little of the

garlic/olive oil and am amazed every time still.  I haven't used any

antibiotics for it since then...



    The funny thing is that I think that the infections started after I

had a case of swimmers ear...swimming in not so clean water (Long Island

Sound).  But that was about 8 years ago.    Huum and you know what?

Winter usually means my allergies are bad cause I am inside with the

heater, and thats when I get them.  My nose runs.  I wonder if It has

anything to do with my inner ear.  As the infection is almost always on

my right side. And swells up the gland on that side a little.   The

garlic cures it in a day or so though, but does anyone have any Idea how

to prevent it?     Or know what can help?







Thanks in advance.....Tracy

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Subject: Re: Testimonials about Noni Juice

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:52:35 GMT

--------

On 5 Jan 1998 01:28:03 GMT, "Tom Ott" <john^x^galt@swcp.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Greetings all!

>	I've been seeing lots of stuff on the web about the wonderful benefits of

>Tahitian Noni juice and morinda citrifolia.  Sounds like it can raise the

>dead.  



It does, doesn't it? There's a very good article on the hype surrounding Noni

here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/sbganoni.html. THIS article will

tell you that Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal Nino Juice

will cure death and taxes, and make you more attractive to the opposite sex, as

well. 



A sample:

Available soon: "In the Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

Nino Juice Zone cookbook." only $19.95.

"Anal Retention Enema of Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

Nino Juice for the elderly and infirm." (Pamphlet) $4.95.

"The Tuna Flavored Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal Nino

Juice Science Diet," by Elmer Canine Fido. $7.95.

Free with your order - " Grandma's Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic

Colloidal Nino Juice Jello recipes." 



Buy NOW and get a bulk discount! WONDERFUL parody.



Have fun!

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Testimonials about Noni Juice

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 00:05:45 -0600

--------



Henriette,



	haha....Indeed.   My first encounter with the words "noni juice"

was from a local health food store owner who asked me if I heard of it

yet, and how it was supposed to come to america soon as the next fruit

juice panacea.  Call me gullible on many things, but this sounded like the

ramp-up to a huge health-food marketing blitz.







	...Rodney



Henriette Kress (HeK@hetta.pp.fi) wrote:

: On 5 Jan 1998 01:28:03 GMT, "Tom Ott" <john^x^galt@swcp.com> wrote in

: alt.folklore.herbs:



: >Greetings all!

: >	I've been seeing lots of stuff on the web about the wonderful benefits of

: >Tahitian Noni juice and morinda citrifolia.  Sounds like it can raise the

: >dead.  



: It does, doesn't it? There's a very good article on the hype surrounding Noni

: here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/sbganoni.html. THIS article will

: tell you that Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal Nino Juice

: will cure death and taxes, and make you more attractive to the opposite sex, as

: well. 



: A sample:

: Available soon: "In the Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

: Nino Juice Zone cookbook." only $19.95.

: "Anal Retention Enema of Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

: Nino Juice for the elderly and infirm." (Pamphlet) $4.95.

: "The Tuna Flavored Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal Nino

: Juice Science Diet," by Elmer Canine Fido. $7.95.

: Free with your order - " Grandma's Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic

: Colloidal Nino Juice Jello recipes." 



: Buy NOW and get a bulk discount! WONDERFUL parody.



: Have fun!

: Henriette



: --

: Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

:       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

: Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Testimonials about Noni Juice

From: noni@hawaiian.net (Rabbi Moshe)

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 11:48:46 -1000

--------

Subject:      Re: Testimonials about Noni Juice

From:         rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date:         1998/01/07

Message-ID:   <68v5vq$n9v@newsops.execpc.com>

Newsgroups:   alt.folklore.herbs



Aloha,



   We agree that there's a potential for lots of hype in telemarketing and

MLM. But, it is also a valid way to promote a product that you really

believe in. We're not MLM, just a Hawaiian farm with an internet mail

order business.

Henriette,



        haha....Indeed.   My first encounter with the words "noni juice"

was from a local health food store owner who asked me if I heard of it

yet, and how it was supposed to come to america soon as the next fruit

juice panacea.  Call me gullible on many things, but this sounded like the

ramp-up to a huge health-food marketing blitz.

   

   Finally, noni has hit the Western world, and as with many new

medicines, e.g., echinacea, goldenseal, and ginseng, the information

arrives in the form of a media blitz. This does not negate the medicinal

effects of noni, which has thousands of years of testimonials behind it,

from people in India through the Polynesias to Hawaii. 



        ...Rodney



Henriette Kress (HeK@hetta.pp.fi) wrote:

: On 5 Jan 1998 01:28:03 GMT, "Tom Ott" <john^x^galt@swcp.com> wrote in

: alt.folklore.herbs:



: >Greetings all!

: >     I've been seeing lots of stuff on the web about the wonderful

benefits of

: >Tahitian Noni juice and morinda citrifolia.  Sounds like it can raise the

: >dead.



: It does, doesn't it? There's a very good article on the hype surrounding Noni

: here: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/neat-stuff/sbganoni.html. THIS

article will

: tell you that Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal Nino Juice

: will cure death and taxes, and make you more attractive to the opposite

sex, as

: well.



   It worked for Elvis! Look at how many people see him these days. He's

looking good, baby.

   

: A sample:

: Available soon: "In the Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

: Nino Juice Zone cookbook." only $19.95.

: "Anal Retention Enema of Super Blue, Green, Yellow Magnetic Volcanic Colloidal

: Nino Juice for the elderly and infirm." (Pamphlet) $4.95.

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:       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

: Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Testimonials about Noni Juice

From: Tracy <tantrixJUNK@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:08:43 -0800

--------

Hummm what was I told about Noni fruit.   Yeah...it was no-no

fruit..dont eat.  (actually it literally looks like brains...never pitch

a tent under a noni tree, especially when the fruit are ripe..the joys

of living on a beach in Hawaii for 6 months:o)   I was told that it

could be used as an astringant after fermenting in a bottle for ...a

long time...but it tastes terrible and I was better off using other

things.  Swear the fruit really does look like white brains.  It's kind

of gross...and dont step on it in bare feet...



Tracy









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Subject: stuttering

From: cher@clarkenet.org (Cher R. Clarke)

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:35:30 -0600

--------

Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy for stuttering?





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Subject: Re: stuttering

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 18:04:47 -0600

--------

Cher R. Clarke wrote:

> 

> Can anyone suggest an herbal remedy for stuttering?



I am reliably informed [by Mel Tillis, no less] that singing will

circumvent/bypass the brain circuits which are involved in stuttering.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: stuttering

From: starwulf@juno.com

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:23:28 GMT

--------

listen to MOZART!

 in an article i read it described the mozart effect

(the last issue of natural health - jan/feb 98)

so keep listening everyday to MOZART and soon enough all will be well



starwulf@juno.com





==========

Subject: Re: stuttering

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:19:45 -0600

--------

Since stuttering is suppose to be "all in the mind" has anyone tried

hyptnotherapy? Mark 





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Subject: St. John's Wort

From: Sharon Himebaugh <nmhimeb@bright.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 21:43:37 -0500

--------

Hi

  I am interested in finding out if being on Blood presure medication

and taking St. John's Wort is Ok?

   my e-mail address is nmhimeb@bright.net





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 07 Jan 98 14:28:41 -0600

--------

>Hi

>  I am interested in finding out if being on Blood presure medication

>and taking St. John's Wort is Ok?

>   my e-mail address is nmhimeb@bright.net



I'm quite sure there are no known contraindications to taking SJW with any

BP-lowering meds.  But be aware that some people have experienced a rise in BP

while on SJW.  If you're one of them, you may need to adjust your med

accordingly.



Syd







==========

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: Dolores Neese <dolores@crl.crl.com>

Date: 27 Jan 1998 18:39:31 GMT

--------

I have a St. John's Wort bush growing in my front yard. Now, which part 

of the plant can I brew for tea? leaves? flower? or? Thanks.



DN





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Subject: Ginko + St. John's Wort combo

From: jniteo@erols.com (jN)

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 04:57:20 GMT

--------

Does ginko really help with mental concentration and is it safe to take 

along with St. John's Wort at the same time?





==========

Subject: Re: Ginko + St. John's Wort combo

From: "Steve Joyce" <xuz17@dial.pipex.com>

Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:42:23 GMT

--------

I have taken both for two months in quite high conc.s with no ill effect,

am not a herbalist but I am still alive and feeling the better for taking

both.





jN <jniteo@erols.com> wrote in article

<68sdmk$lho$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

> Does ginko really help with mental concentration and is it safe to take 

> along with St. John's Wort at the same time?

> 





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Subject: << WE NEED YOUR INPUT >>

From: greneker@aol.com (GReneker)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 05:28:14 GMT

--------

Trends and preferences are prone to change over time.  To stock herbs

nobody wants wastes herbs and raises costs (& prices) by increasing

inventory expenses.  Rather than guessing what people MAY want we

think it makes more sense to occasionally ask people directly what they

actually DO want and use.



My wife and I will soon be putting our mail order herb business online.

Before we do we want to update our herb list to reflect what people

really want.  We would appreciate your helpful responses to the

following questions either online  ("Reply To Author") or by printing this and

sending it snail-mail.



Many sincere thanks for sharing your time and your honest responses.



1.  If you fill your own herb capsules what herbs do you actually use

       most for your capsule blends  (up to 7)?



2.  If you use pre-packaged herb capsules which pre-packaged

     herbs/blends do you actually use most  (up to 5)?



3.  If you make your own herbal beverage teas what are your favorite

     tea herbs  (up to 5)?



4.  If you make your own herbal health teas what are your favorite

     health herbs  (up to 5)?



5.  What are your favorite culinary herbs  (up to 5)?



6.  What other types of herbal products to you regularly use?



7.  If we could afford the time to include an online herb newsletter what

     type information would you like included?





Gary & Kathy Reneker



Email:  [Use  "Herb Survey" as Subject]

        GReneker@aol.com



Snail-Mail:  Essential Pleasures,

             P.O. Box 473

             Dillsburg,  PA  17019

(Gary Lonewolf)





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Subject: feng Shui news group?

From: lsaegert@erols.com (Linda Saegert  )

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:15:32 GMT

--------

I used to sub to a group on the above and I looked under

alt.chinese.feng shui and it says that it's not there. I also tried

starting it with soc. but no luck. Does anyone know the correct name

so I can post a message there? Thanks so much,

Linda Saegert

" I have yet to hear a man ask for advice on how to combine marriage and a career."

                     Gloria Steinem











==========

Subject: Re: feng Shui news group?

From: I2Sirius@ix.endspam.netcom.com (Marie Walz)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 10:52:28 GMT

--------

lsaegert@erols.com (Linda Saegert  ) wrote:



>I used to sub to a group on the above and I looked under

>alt.chinese.feng shui and it says that it's not there. I also tried

>starting it with soc. but no luck. Does anyone know the correct name

>so I can post a message there? Thanks so much,

>Linda Saegert



My server lists



 alt.chinese.fengshui



and lists recent messages also.  Maybe just your spacing?  If not, you

can contact your server and ask them to carry the group.



Marie





==========

Subject: Re: Impotence

From: venman@hrsonline.com

Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 11:33:40 -0600

--------

In article <67n9oj$okl@chile.earthlink.net>,

  "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote:

>

> Yohimbe, Kramen Kote, Saw Palmetto...

> >

> >>What herbs are good to help Impotence?



There is no good answer to your question.  Impotence, or Erectile

Dysfunction has many causes, and the treament varies radically depending

on the cause of the problem.  to recommend Yohimbine to men whose

impotence is the result of radical surgery would be just as ludicrous as

suggesting major reparative vascular repair to a young man whose problem

is clearly psychological. In order to determine the cause, and therefore

optimal solution requires a thorough examination and history-taking, as

well as some rather sophisticated testing. For a thorough discussion of

these problems and their solutions please contact me at

venman@hrsonline.com  Lawrence M. Sherman, MD



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: Impotence

From: "Bill Jarrett" <jsbs@sentex.net>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:54:31 -0500

--------



venman@hrsonline.com wrote in message <884107744.834994177@dejanews.com>...

>In article <67n9oj$okl@chile.earthlink.net>,

>  "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>





>> >>What herbs are good to help Impotence?





Based on my experience after trying different herbs for over a year

(yohimbe, muira puama, ginko, ginseng, gotu kola, damiana etc, etc. I would

say NONE OF THEM.



>There is no good answer to your question.  Impotence, or Erectile

>Dysfunction has many causes, and the treament varies radically depending

>on the cause of the problem.  to recommend Yohimbine to men whose

>impotence is the result of radical surgery would be just as ludicrous



The good doctor is right! I had a vasectomy 30 years ago and it hasn't been

as good since as before.



Based on my experience, my advice to any person contemplating a vasectomy

would be  DON'T DO IT !!!!!





Bill









==========

Subject: Re: Impotence

From: jmtREMOVE@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 12:10:10 GMT

--------

venman@hrsonline.com wrote:



>In article <67n9oj$okl@chile.earthlink.net>,

>  "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>> Yohimbe, Kramen Kote, Saw Palmetto...

>> >

>> >>What herbs are good to help Impotence?



>There is no good answer to your question. In order to determine the cause, and therefore

>optimal solution requires a thorough examination and history-taking, as

>well as some rather sophisticated testing. For a thorough discussion of

>these problems and their solutions please contact me at

>venman@hrsonline.com  Lawrence M. Sherman, MD



People have every right to "self-diagnose" and to treat themselves

accordingly. MDs are merely one type of resource which may be utilized

by an individual. It is unlikely that an MD will use herbs or other

non-drug & non-gizmo approaches, so it is obligate upon all

individuals to research alternatives in order to determine a broader

range of options available.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







==========

Subject: Side Effects for Saw Palmetto

From: Nancy Siu Lee <nlee@mail.wsu.edu>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:47:15 -0800

--------

Hello,



I hope someone can help me with some information. My father is interested

in taking saw palmetto (serenoa repens). He is 64 years old, has high

blood pressure and is on 2-3 medications at any one time, about 40 pounds

over weight, but has been excercising and eating better and quit

smoiking since he retired last year. To my knowledge he has not shown any

indications of prostrate problems and is in generally good health for a

man his age.



My concern is about any side effects from saw palmetto and any negative

interactions it may have with the blood pressure medication. Thanks for

any help!!!



Nancy 











==========

Subject: RE: Ginkgo Biloba

From: jimwhuang@aol.com (JIMWHUANG)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 20:53:36 GMT

--------

Ching Sing Group is a Hong Kong-based international trading firm with offices

in China and the United States.  We have 15 years of experience trading with

China with annual sales over $10 million.



We are focusing on supplying traditional Chinese herb extracts to the dietary

supplement market worldwide.  Currently, we have supply of low-cost, high

quality ginkgo biloba extract powder directly from China.



If you are interested in information regarding our ginkgo biloba supply and

prices, please contact:



Jim W. Huang

Vice President-International



Ching Sing Group US Liaison Office

10140 Cabana Club Drive, Suite 3A

St. Louis, Missouri 63074-1720

Telephone: 314/426-9033

Facsimile: 314/426-5521

Email: jimwhuang@aol.com







==========

Subject: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: <mickaren@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 16:34:05 -0500

--------

I am lookin for some help for my wife who has Big Time head aches that are

not migraines.   I wonder what else there is to try rather that the

perscriptions her doctors have tried and over the counter remedies.



           mickey



Mickaren@email.msn.com











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Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 19:01:33 -0500

--------

Dear Mickey;



A cup of tea made out of ANGELICA leaves,or LEMON BALM leaves, or

PEPPERMINT, or PENNYROYAL leaves might will help reduce you wife headache.



Good luck.



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 05:59:06 GMT

--------



Sabry Alsharkawi  wrote in article 

> 

> A cup of tea made out of ANGELICA leaves,or LEMON BALM leaves, or

> PEPPERMINT, or PENNYROYAL leaves might will help reduce you wife headache



>>I always thought Pennyroyal was not to be used internally.  I remember

hearing about some fatalities from it's use.  I have always considered it

as an insect repellent.

>>Am I mistaken?

DRagonlady





==========

To: Dragonlady & Scooter <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: Donna Smith-Whitty <donnaf@netdoor.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:31:56 -0600

--------

Hi there.  Jus chiming in with some herb facts from Earl Mendell's "Herb

Bible" which is one of my more conservative reference books.



Angelica:  Relieves build-up of phlegm due to asthma and bronchitis;

antispasmodic action relieves menstrual cramps; good remedy for skin lice

(external); reduces discomfort caused by rheumatism; good for people who

get cold easily.  Do not use during pregnancy.  Large doses can affect

blood pressure, heart action, and respiration.



Lemon Balm:  Folk remedy for gas and colic; prescribed for upset stomach,

nervous tension and insomnia; also promotes sweating when taken hot.  



Peppermint:  Antispasmodic--good for cramps and stomach pain; relieves

gas; aids in digestion; can help reduce sick feeling typical of migraine

headaches; can help with insomnia.  



Pennyroyal:  Helps promote productive cough; good to take at onset of

cold; brings on menstruation; relieves PMS and menstrual cramps.  Should

***never*** be taken during pregnancy as it may cause abortion,

hemorrhaging and serious complications for the mother.  If you do use this

herb, do not exceed the recommended dose and do not take for more than a

week at a time.  Pennyroyal oil makes an excellent bug repellent for pets.

Put a few drops of the oil directly on the animal.



End of Earl's words and back to mine.  The only one of these I'd use for a

headache remedy is peppermint, and it provides pretty mild relief mostly

from tension.  However, if headaches are caused by chronic sinus trouble,

then keeping some peppermint oil on a handkerchief or something else handy

to sniff occasionally is quite effective for opening sinus passages and

relieving the headache that usually results.  I've not yet found a good

herbal equivalent to over-the-counter headache remedies, but am still

looking!  Hope this helps, if not with the headaches, then at least with

clearing up the properties of recommended herbs.



Peace and Hope,



Donna



On 7 Jan 1998, Dragonlady & Scooter wrote:



> 

> Sabry Alsharkawi  wrote in article 

> > 

> > A cup of tea made out of ANGELICA leaves,or LEMON BALM leaves, or

> > PEPPERMINT, or PENNYROYAL leaves might will help reduce you wife headache

> 

> >>I always thought Pennyroyal was not to be used internally.  I remember

> hearing about some fatalities from it's use.  I have always considered it

> as an insect repellent.

> >>Am I mistaken?

> DRagonlady

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:37:31 -0600

--------

Just this year I started getting headaches for the first time in my

life. They come & go & are located by my right temple. I've been through

a lot of stress over the last year & the doctor says that is what is

probably causing them. Lately I've been taking more Cayenne & it is

helping me alot. After you take it, a little bit of fruit might help

counteract the heat you feel in your stomache. Mark 





==========

To: mickaren@msn.com

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: Michelle <halcyon@horizon.hit.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 11:10:23 -0600

--------

mickaren@msn.com wrote:

> 

> I am lookin for some help for my wife who has Big Time head aches that are

> not migraines.   I wonder what else there is to try rather that the

> perscriptions her doctors have tried and over the counter remedies.

> 

>            mickey

> 

> Mickaren@email.msn.com



       I can't vouch for these myself, but a book called Natural Home

Remedies, which consisted of personal anecdotal success stories, B6,

lecithin, and niacin were mentioned as ways to reduce headaches.  

       Could her headaches be allergy-related?  When the ragweed blooms,

my head hurts for 2 1/2 months.

       Hope this helps.

       Michelle





==========

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: gmarr@intergate.bc.ca (Gracie Marr)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:28:46 GMT

--------

Hi guys, have you ever asked the dentist about this???  Even if she doesn't 

grind her teeth she may be just clenching down and causing her own headaches!

I got my dentist to make me a thing I bite down on its kinda like a mouth 

guard you would wear for hockey but way more expensive!!!  Anyway at least I 

don't have them (the  headaches) in the morning cuz I wear it to bed.



>I am lookin for some help for my wife who has Big Time head aches that are

>not migraines.   I wonder what else there is to try rather that the

>perscriptions her doctors have tried 

     













==========

Subject: Re: Headaches- Non Migraine

From: "Dianne Ferguson" <dianne@cuscon.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:42:18 -0500

--------

As as headache sufferer myself for over 20 years, my sympathies to your

better half . . .

The bite guard Gracie suggests is a good idea for clenchers - IMO well worth

the money spent at the dentist's;  found that my morning headaches were also

exacerbated by my "cocooning", though.  I tend to burrow under covers while

sleeping, cutting off a lot of my oxygen supply - too much carbon dioxide

will give you a headache every time!  It helps to keep a bedroom window open

year-round to provide constant fresh air - just make sure your wife isn't

directly in the path of any wind coming in.  Plenty of warmth - I use a

winter-weight goosedown duvet, but an electric blanket would work,too -

should help stop your wife from feeling the need to bury her head under the

blankets while sleeping.

Periodically, even these solutions don't help, but I've found that

acetaminophen with codeine (available OTC in Canada) A.K.A. Tyleonol No. 1

is a great help.  Good luck!!!!

Di

Gracie Marr wrote in message <69hluu$ee8$1@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>...

:Hi guys, have you ever asked the dentist about this???  hockey but way more

expensive!!!  Anyway at least I

:don't have them (the  headaches) in the morning cuz I









==========

Subject: Black Cherry Juice: need manufacturer source

From: pfalcon@aol.com (PFALCON)

Date: 6 Jan 1998 22:01:40 GMT

--------

I would like to know if anyone knows the telephone number of a company called

KNUDSEN & SONS, INC (Chico, CALIF), who distributes unadulterated black cherry

juice (concentrate).  I have tried the 800 Directory index (1-800-555-1212),

but they are not listed.  It is rather pricy to buy by the pint ($10), and I am

interested in contacting either KNUDSEN or another manufacturer/supplier to

find out if it is available in case quantities at $$ savings.



Thank you for your help.



Michael Worley, R.N.





==========

Subject: Re: Black Cherry Juice: need manufacturer source

From: ahebcathe@aol.com (AHEB Cathe)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 18:52:06 GMT

--------

Michael,



http://www.knudsen.com/html/email/email.html



It appears that Knudsen was bought by Kraft, but this

email form should get you a little further on your

quest. Hope that helps.



-Cathe Gordon

http://www.abbysherbs.com



>>Subject: Black Cherry Juice: need manufacturer source

From: pfalcon@aol.com (PFALCON)

Date: Tue, Jan 6, 1998 2:01 PM

Message-id: <19980106220100.RAA00109@ladder01.news.aol.com>



I would like to know if anyone knows the telephone number of a company called

KNUDSEN & SONS, INC (Chico, CALIF), who distributes unadulterated black cherry

juice (concentrate).  I have tried the 800 Directory index (1-800-555-1212),

but they are not listed.  It is rather pricy to buy by the pint ($10), and I am

interested in contacting either KNUDSEN or another manufacturer/supplier to

find out if it is available in case quantities at $$ savings.



Thank you for your help.



Michael Worley, R.N.





==========

Subject: Herbs etc

From: "dznroses" <dznroses_@norfolk.infi.net>

Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:11:25 -0500

--------

I have heard that Cycle Balance I and II will help a woman regulate her

monthly cycle.



I was thinking about taking it but not sure if it really works also was

wondering if they are on the web cant find anything.



Thanks for your help









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs etc

From: bcl000@aol.com (Bcl000)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 03:49:34 GMT

--------

>woman regulate her

>monthly cycle.



Hello there!

I have no information about the product you are asking about, however I can

share with you about a natural herbal approach for this...(particularly since

my wife is sitting here instructing me to do so!)  She has for the past 2 years

used a herbal tincture that comes from the Amazon rainforest in Peru. She has

totally eliminated all discomfort and attending symptoms through the use of

this formula.

It is called "Lunazon"....

I don't know if you are into herbal type nutrition...but maybe it will help. If

you want to get any more info just drop us a email.



Blessings

Pastor Randall Denton & Mary





==========

Subject: Herbs to quit smoking

From: margareth1@aol.com (MARGARETH1)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 01:31:58 GMT

--------

Syd Baumel wrote:



>I'd strongly recommend giving L-tyrosine a try.  Whenever I start smoking

>again and then, after a few weeks, decide it's time to quit, tyrosine, as

>needed (typically, a 500 mg capsule or two every few hours, with a once

>daily high potency multivitamin & mineral supp as backup) all but

>eliminates the cravings and withdrawal symptoms.  Instead of having

>nothing but cigarettes on my mind, I actually find myself having to >remind

>myself that I've quit. 



This makes sense, because part of the pleasant effects of smoking (increased

alertness, concentration, etc.) are from an increase of dopamine in the brain,

which also results from taking L-tyrosine.



>L-tryptophan has had a similar effect in

>preliminary research, and so might 5-HTP. 



L-tryptophan increases *serotonin* rather than dopamine, which can also be

beneficial to individuals attempting to overcome an addiction.  Since the two

supplements are complementary rather than interchangeable, I'd suggest taking

the 5-HTP at night (as it's rather sedating and can help you sleep deeply) and

the tyrosine in the daytime, starting before breakfast.  



I take L-tyrosine and 5-HTP for depression, and that is how I do it.  Being an

amino acid, L-tyrosine is better taken between meals rather than with meals, so

it doesn't have to compete with the protein in the meals.



Margaret H.





==========

Subject: Essiac question

From: starwulf@juno.com

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:20:50 GMT

--------

what's in this tea and what are the quantities to make my own

can anyone please tell me

thank you

(please email me becuase i dont get to log on too often)

starwulf@juno.com





==========

Subject: Re: Cold Hands (thanks for repies)

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 12:48:56 -0600

--------

I just want to thank all of you for the suggestions regarding my

original post. Cayenne has worked wonders for my bad circulation, blood

pressure,bad nerves,anxiety,cold extremities,carpal tunnel symtoms,

restless nights, sinus problems & I could go on. The way I ingest it

though is combining it with 1TBSP of fresh lemon juice 1 TBSP of 100%

pure Maple Syrup & 1/8-1/4 TSP of Cayenne mixed with 4-8 oz of distiiled

water & taken before bedtime. I also eat part of an  apple after

ingesting this mixture to counteract the effects of the Cayenne. This

concoction is also used by some people who are fasting. Mark





==========

Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:15:13 -0600

--------

The deodorant I use made by Kiss My Face, is called Liquid Rock. It says

on the back label that the aforementioned Co. "has succeeded in

liquefying crystal deodorant stones which are 100% effective in

preventing body odor". The ingedients are:water,potassium alum (natural

mineral salts), lichen & white willow bark

extract,hydroxyethylcellulose,methylparaben & propylparaben. If anyone

is aware of anything bad about any of these ingredients please

post.There are other natural types availiable with different ingredients

& one can always go without also. The French think we're all nuts for

using deodorants anyway & as a kid I don't remember using them at all

until Right Guard came along, then the industry brainwashed us into

thinking that body odor is taboo.  Mark





==========

Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:16:42 GMT

--------

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:15:13 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>The deodorant I use made by Kiss My Face, is called Liquid Rock. It says

>on the back label that the aforementioned Co. "has succeeded in

>liquefying crystal deodorant stones which are 100% effective in

>preventing body odor". The ingedients are:water,potassium alum (natural

>mineral salts), lichen & white willow bark



Alum is just another form of aluminium. Does anybody know if this is this still

implicated in Alzheimers?



(A short definition of dementia: you've got it if you can't remember Alzheimer's

first name.)



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:46:28 -0500

--------

Henriette Kress wrote in message <34b5fe5f.2014064@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:15:13 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>The deodorant I use made by Kiss My Face, is called Liquid Rock. It says

>>on the back label that the aforementioned Co. "has succeeded in

>>liquefying crystal deodorant stones which are 100% effective in

>>preventing body odor". The ingedients are:water,potassium alum (natural

>>mineral salts), lichen & white willow bark

>

>Alum is just another form of aluminium. Does anybody know if this is this

still

>implicated in Alzheimers?

>

>(A short definition of dementia: you've got it if you can't remember

Alzheimer's

>first name.)

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>





I haven't seen anything to contradict the association of elevated levels of

Aluminum and Alzheimer's.  The problem is more of the chicken-and-egg

variety: does the aluminum actually *cause* the disease, or is the

accumlation of aluminum a secondary effect of the disease's progress?  I

don't think this one's been answered yet.  My problem with aluminum, whether

it's alum or one of the aluminum compounds used in commercial

anti-perspirants, is that it stops the pores doing what they are there for.

I'm not advocating stinking - in fact I'm firmly against it - but I don't

think it's necessary to stop sweating!  Those glands are there for a reason,

right?  Sweat is one of the ways we get rid of wastes, and stopping the

process *may* cause toxins to build up where they're not wanted.  Might even

be a *cause* of underarm odor, come to think of it!



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: "Lynette Tinnel" <ltinnel@cyberramp.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 21:37:46 -0600

--------

I used the natural rock deodorant and every time I tried it my underarm

glands swelled terribly and I got a red rash.









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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: finnegan@antispam.com (J & S Finnegan)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:10:48 GMT

--------

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:46:28 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

[snipping]

>My problem with aluminum, whether

>it's alum or one of the aluminum compounds used in commercial

>anti-perspirants, is that it stops the pores doing what they are there for.

>I'm not advocating stinking - in fact I'm firmly against it - but I don't

>think it's necessary to stop sweating!  Those glands are there for a reason,

>right?  Sweat is one of the ways we get rid of wastes, and stopping the

>process *may* cause toxins to build up where they're not wanted.  Might even

>be a *cause* of underarm odor, come to think of it!



Sounds sensible, except for one thing:  the rock deodorants do not

stop sweating, just odor.  I have used several different brands of

rock deodorant over the past eight years (would be less, but I'm bad

about dropping them and breaking them) and, if any of them had any

antiperspirant action, it was so slight I did not notice.



S. Finnegan

_____________________________________________________________

Eavesdropping, list-making, misanthropic, paranoid insomniacs

do things right if they're let alone, but the strain of 

pretending to like people will destroy them every time.

(Florence King)





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: "V.R. Peterson" <vmp@bigfoot.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:54:52 -0800

--------

> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 17:46:28 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

> <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

> > [snipping]

> > Sweat is one of the ways we get rid of wastes, and stopping the

> > process *may* cause toxins to build up where they're not wanted.

> > Might even be a *cause* of underarm odor, come to think of it!



Then J & S Finnegan replied:

> Sounds sensible, except for one thing:  the rock deodorants do not

> stop sweating, just odor.

> <snipped>

>

I think that's what Mr. Ogden was saying -- that if you don't stop the

sweating your glands don't get clogged, therefore you don't get as much

odor.  Of course, I could be wrong -- it's happened before. <g>



BTW, I had been told for several years that odor is a by-product of the

food we eat -- if we eat "toxic" food, we get body odor.  I never

believed it.  Then six months ago, I went vegetarian (for health

reasons) and stopped eating meat and processed food (at least most

processed foods).  My B.O. has totally disappeared.  Before I went veg,

the crystal deodorant stones never worked for me.  I stunk as bad as

when I used nothing.  Now, I only need the stone when I eat processed

food, and it *does* work.

-- 

****************

V.R. Peterson

vmp@bigfoot.com

****************





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: claire.little@mailexcite.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:02:46 -0600

--------

In article <34B6565C.1044@bigfoot.com>,

  vmp@bigfoot.com wrote:

>



>

> BTW, I had been told for several years that odor is a by-product of the

> food we eat -- if we eat "toxic" food, we get body odor.  I never

> believed it.  Then six months ago, I went vegetarian (for health

> reasons) and stopped eating meat and processed food (at least most

> processed foods).  My B.O. has totally disappeared.  Before I went veg,

> the crystal deodorant stones never worked for me.  I stunk as bad as

> when I used nothing.  Now, I only need the stone when I eat processed

> food, and it *does* work.



I have a (sort of) related question. I'm currently on homeopathic

remedies for a terrible cough I had since October. The cough is gone now,

and I've stopped actually _taking_ any tablets, but I know the effects

hang around for ages.



Anyway, my homeopath told me that in order for the stuff to work well, I

had to give up some things, including mint and deodorant. And suddenly

(in the last week) I have started to stink ! I don't think its

conventional body odour, caused by bacteria, as I sometimes even smell it

in the shower when I am getting washed.  Does anyone have any ideas for a

solution ? Where can you buy these natural deodorants in the UK (London)

? And is there any basis to my theory that giving up mint, when I used to

chew a _lot_ of sugar-free mint gum could have caused it, as previously

the mint masked the smell ?



Thanks



Claire



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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: "Mike Freeland" <michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:30:33 GMT

--------

When I was using LAVLIN, ($12 a can) I found it worked great and I could

make an application last 1 week or two as long as I showered and went to a

clean t-shirt every day AND changed washcloths the day I applied the

product (you apply it in the evening and wash off the residue in the AM).

Applied sparingly, I used it for over 3 years and was consistently able to

make a can last ONE YEAR.  Pretty cheap.

My wife purchased a clear mineral rock a few years ago (looks like a lump

of glass) and it worked very well for her, so I started using it after I

ran out of LAVLIN.  We've been using that same rock for at least three

years and it still has a lot of life left!  I'd buy it again in a

heartbeat!



Mike Freeland

Michael.e.freeland@ROUNDFILE.boeing.com

Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

Sorry for the inconvenience.



Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com> wrote in article

<34B485E6.E6518B96@mtjeff.com>...

> I have been using Lavilin deoderant for several years.  It is aluminum

free.  It

> does not stop persperation or clog pores.

> 

> Lavilin works by killing the bacteria that causes odor.  It only needs to

be

> re-applied every week or so.  It is rather pricy, but when I consider the

> convenience and the fact that a jar lasts almost a year, it averages out

to a

> more reasonable cost.

> 

> Lavilin can be found [or ordered] in health food/supplement stores.

> 

>





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Subject: Re: Use a natural deodorant(update)

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:17:27 -0600

--------



On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, alone ranger wrote in part:



> The deodorant I use made by Kiss My Face, is called Liquid Rock. It says

> on the back label that the aforementioned Co. "has succeeded in

> liquefying crystal deodorant stones which are 100% effective in

> preventing body odor". The ingedients are:water,potassium alum (natural

> mineral salts), lichen & white willow bark

> extract,hydroxyethylcellulose,methylparaben & propylparaben. If anyone

> is aware of anything bad about any of these ingredients please

> 



Potassuim alum is probably Potassium aluminate, which is freely soluable 

in water.  I'm not a medical goob, but vaguely recall some concerns about 

Aluminum contact/cooking in aluminum.  Some folks are allergic to 

methylparaben (food, beverage, cosmetic preservative) which is unfortunate, 

because it's in SO MANY things.  Propylparaben is used as an antifungal 

perservative, and in structure, is a close cousin to methylparaben.



Gale







==========

Subject: Re: Impotence & vasectomies

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:27:32 -0600

--------

I had no idea that impotence could be a side effect of having  a

vasectomy, but if that is the case, since the operation can be reversed,

wouldn't that rectify the situation?  Mark





==========

Subject: Re: Impotence & vasectomies

From: "Bill Jarrett" <jsbs@sentex.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 09:18:38 -0500

--------



alone ranger wrote in message <690kv4$p01$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...

I had no idea that impotence could be a side effect of having  a

vasectomy, but if that is the case, since the operation can be reversed,

wouldn't that rectify the situation?  Mark





I'm just a layman,  but I gather from what I have read that it is the trauma

of the operation itself and not the nature of the operation.



I think I read that accidental trauma to the testicles like hitting the

cross bar on a bike or a kick in the balls can have the same effect later in

life.



Bill









==========

Subject: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600

--------

Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When my

siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were never

any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

anti-biotics. What is going on? Mark





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 21:24:46 GMT

--------

>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When my

>siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were never

>any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

>conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

>anti-biotics. What is going on? Mark



Hi, Mark--as a child of the 60's, I DO remember ear infections and how badly

they hurt, but I agree with you that they are not nearly as common as they are

now.  My own personal opinion is that

#1  We have overused antiobiotics and so our resistance to the "bugs" is

lowered, and



#2  We are slowly poisoning ourselves as a people via pollution, pesticides,

stress levels, drug and alcohol abuse, negative environment,  etc. and this

lowers our resistance to the "bugs"



I believe this is the reason for the increased numbers of children being

diagnosed as ADD and ADHD as well!



This is an interesting thread and I am looking forward to reading others'

comments on this one.



Just my opinion,



Leslie



Check This Out!

PERSONALIZED GIFTS!!!

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/gifts.html









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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 04:00:02 GMT

--------

On 7 Jan 1998 21:24:46 GMT, laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport) wrote:



>>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do?



'Cause the whole world is going to hell in a hand basket.



Ear Infection Treatment: (I am not a doctor - this is for information

ONLY)

get garlic oil gel capsule at walmart (the kind you swallow with

liquid in them)

pierce them carefully with an exacto knife 

squeeze the garlic liquid into ears

GENTLY and loosely insert cotton to keep liquid from leaving ear

rarely fails - often an overnight solution

Promise me that you will pass this on to several others if it works

for you.

Yes, anitbiotics ARE over-prescribed, and it is pathetic...









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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:47:38 GMT

--------

>Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

>From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

>Date: Wed, Jan 7, 1998 16:24 EST

>Message-id: <19980107212401.QAA20206@ladder02.news.aol.com>



>#1  We have overused antiobiotics and so our resistance to the "bugs" is

>lowered



Antibiotics are certainly over used, at least here in the US anyway.  I know

from first hand experience.  I used to get kidney infections a lot...no big

deal at first...dr's just gave me sulphur pills and that took care of it.  Then

I went for this problem again and instead of getting the normal sulphur pills

I'd been taking the dr prescribed Keflex...that was the beginning of the end

for me.  Ever since that I can't take anything less than Keflex for *any* type

of infection and now it takes at *least* two full bottles of it for it to clear

up any type of infection I get.   Not to mention the fact that it kills my

stomach when I have to take it wether I've eaten first or not.

Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:00 -0900

--------

I have read some good comments on why children have more ear infections. The smoking, the overuse of anti-biotics, dairy products, etc. But, I didn't see anybody mention breastfeeding. I read somewhere that breastfeeding lowers ear infection rate. Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but it certainly would make sense.

I know I was not breastfed at all, and I had ear infections until I was 12 years old. I remember them well. I breastfed my first child for 3 months. She had ear infections quite often until she was 2. I breastfed my second child for 4 months, and he had 1 ear infection. I breastfed the third child for 7 months, she is now 6 years old and has never had an ear infection. I breastfed my fourth child for 11 months, he is now 17 months old and he also has never had an ear infection. The fifth child is expected in June and will also be breastfed for at least 6 months.

My neighbor, on the other hand, has 3 children, none of them were breastfed. The oldest is 13 and still gets them occasionally, maybe 2 or 3 times a year. Her son is 11 and gets them quite frequently. Her baby is 19 months old and also gets them frequently. They come over here to get garlic oil drops from me for their ears as soon as they notice an earache. They have not been on anti-biotics for them since they started using my garlic oil drops about 6 months ago. These children are also sick a lot--like colds and runny noses, flus, etc. Not serious illnesses, but they are kept out of school a lot due to them.

My children are not sick very often, but we also have very good nutrition in our house. I believe that contributes to the wellness. I can't remember the last time I took my children to the doctor for an illness. We just haven't needed to.

Anyone else care to comment? I think there is a link here.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 9 Jan 1998 05:08:00 -0700

--------

"slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:



>The smoking

  Definitely: kids in houses where the adults, especially the

mother, smoke, have a strikingly higher incidence of ear

infections and other respiratory problems.

  Women smoke much more now than they did in the 50s, and even

early 60s.  Kids get more exposure to second-hand smoke, for

longer, when their mom smokes and cares for them.

>overuse of anti-biotics

  Overtreatment of the minor stuff, mostly because parents demand

that a doctor "do something".  Docotrs, if they think the patient

can handle it, are quite happy to let an immune system fend for

itself.

>dairy products

  No link ... although allergies of all kinds are on the upswing:

blame tightly sealed houses and urban pollution perhaps?



> But, I didn't see anybody mention breastfeeding. 

>I read somewhere that breastfeeding lowers ear infection rate. 

  Definitely!  Also lowers the rate of intestinal upsets and

other problems.

  Any amount of breastfeeding helps, but several months to a year

would be great for moms that can do it.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 01:08:25 GMT

--------

>> But, I didn't see anybody mention breastfeeding. 

>>I read somewhere that breastfeeding lowers ear infection rate. 

>  Definitely!  Also lowers the rate of intestinal upsets and

>other problems.

>  Any amount of breastfeeding helps, but several months to a year

>would be great for moms that can do it.

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com     



Hello, Callie and all,



Just had to put my two cents in on this one.  I DID nurse all of my children

(for longer than I'm going to admit publicly <grin>), and they all had trouble

with ear infections.  We do not smoke and my children were not exposed to

second hand smoke anywhere else at that early age.



I'm sure that both of those factors DO affect the incidence of ear infections,

but it must not always be the cause!  My son ended up having to have tubes at

age 2 (we tried natural remedies for a yer and then gave up).  They just fell

out last week, 7 YEARS LATER.  His ear tubes were incredibly teeny!



My two cents!



Leslie



VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING!!

 Valentine's Day Gifts 

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Valentines.html



Check It Out!!!





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Millie" <herbs4u@bright.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:16:05 -0500

--------

I have put together a page of links to articles discussing alternative

treatments and prevention of ear infections at

http://www.wildroots.com/earlinks.html



Millie

millie@wildroots.com

http://www.wildroots.com









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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:38:01 GMT

--------

"slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:



>I have read some good comments on why children have more ear infections. =

>The smoking, the overuse of anti-biotics, dairy products, etc. But, I =

>didn't see anybody mention breastfeeding [....]

>I know I was not breastfed at all, and I had ear infections until I was =

>12 years old. I remember them well. I breastfed my first child for 3 =

>months. She had ear infections quite often until she was 2. I breastfed =

>my second child for 4 months, and he had 1 ear infection. I breastfed =

>the third child for 7 months, she is now 6 years old and has never had =

>an ear infection. I breastfed my fourth child for 11 months, he is now =

>17 months old and he also has never had an ear infection. The fifth =

>child is expected in June and will also be breastfed for at least 6 =

>months.

>My neighbor, on the other hand, has 3 children, none of them were =

>breastfed. The oldest is 13 and still gets them occasionally, maybe 2 or =

>3 times a year. Her son is 11 and gets them quite frequently. Her baby =

>is 19 months old and also gets them frequently [...]

>Anyone else care to comment? I think there is a link here.



Nicely stated.



More health equals less disease. This is a contiguous scale, meaning

that any disease can be treated by improving health.



The Standard paradigm of the medicos preaches that disease is

accidental (eg. a random germ occurance) and must be treated

mechanically (like the broken fan-belt on a car).



Note the two approaches described in Kay's message. Healthier children

are less frequently sick and less severely sick. Children raised using

contemporary foods and with medico-acceptable practices get sick more

frequently and more severely.



Natural (less processed), whole (less contrived) foods translates into

greater health and less disease. Can't beat mother's milk!

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: Kelli <kelli.moran@nortel.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:21:19 -0600

--------

I beg to differ with the original posting from the "hensons"--I have had severe

colds/sinus/ear infections my entire life and still do at 36 (I can't seem to

just get a simple cold, it always turns into something worse) and I swore my

mother did not breastfeed me as a baby.  Well, I asked her and she said she

did, so what's up with that?  Maybe not long enough? Whatever the reason, I

wish I could  "outgrow" them, they're awful.  I've tried the echinacea/herbal

route, too, but over the holidays (after flying) I had to resort to using

Amoxicillan to kick what I had. Felt almost normal again within 2 days. Of

course, I don't take antibiotics for every little thing either.



J. Mark Taylor wrote:



> >I have read some good comments on why children have more ear infections. =

> >The smoking, the overuse of anti-biotics, dairy products, etc. But, I =

> >didn't see anybody mention breastfeeding [....]

> >I know I was not breastfed at all, and I had ear infections until I was =

> >12 years old. ...







==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 22:53:19 GMT

--------

On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

wrote:



>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When my

>siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were never

>any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

>conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

>anti-biotics. What is going on? Mark



Research that I read several years ago showed that ear infections were

mainly in children that were being raised in a smoking environment. You

might be one of the lucky ones who didn't have parents that smoked. 



Paul





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: bingo@rosenet.net (Gene Freadman)

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:33:32 -0800

--------



> 

> Research that I read several years ago showed that ear infections were

> mainly in children that were being raised in a smoking environment. You

> might be one of the lucky ones who didn't have parents that smoked. 

> 

> Paul



I read not to long ago that garlic water is good as anything for ear infection.



I ran some garlic and water in the blender and strained it through a

cloth. Seemed to work on the dogs.



-- 

gene---In Oregon---As always I can be wrong and often am.



.





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:37:46 -0600

--------

My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take antibiotics like

candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they are on

the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat, in general.



Paul wrote in message <34b506ec.24026042@netnews.msn.com>...

>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

>wrote:

>

>>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When my

>>siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were never

>>any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

>>conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

>>anti-biotics. What is going on? Mark

>

>Research that I read several years ago showed that ear infections were

>mainly in children that were being raised in a smoking environment. You

>might be one of the lucky ones who didn't have parents that smoked.

>

>Paul









==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:38:27 GMT

--------

"Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net> wrote:



>My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take antibiotics like

>candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they are on

>the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat, in general.



>Paul wrote in message <34b506ec.24026042@netnews.msn.com>...

>>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

>>wrote:

>>

>>>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When my

>>>siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were never

>>>any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

>>>conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

>>>anti-biotics.



What IS going on? Kids are inundated in drugs for ear infections, ADD,

asthma, etc. These epidemical illnesses can all be reversed through

wholistic methods which promote health. This implies that they are

caused and not caught.



The medicos have effectively neutered themselves through their medical

constructs, so no solution can be expected from that quarter.



My advice to those concerned about health out there is to use your

vote (as in during elections) for health care. The medicos cannot

withstand attack from an empowered public.



Vote for the politician who will support a citizen's right to choice

in health care. Vote for a political party that recognizes wholistic

health. Vote for formal recognition of the Alternative paradigm.



In Canada, for example, one can vote for the right-labelled Reform

Party or the left-labelled Green Party of Canada. In any case, voting

for health will force the other parties to alter their

unbridled-growth-at-the-expense-of-health positions.

___

jmt





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http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: rivcara@aol.com (RivCara)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:46:37 GMT

--------

>Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

>From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

>Date: Sun, Jan 11, 1998 08:38 EST

>Message-id: <69afce$q26@news.auaracom.net>

>

>"Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net> wrote:

>

>>My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take antibiotics like

>>candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they are on

>>the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat, in general.

>

>



I heard something about immunizations and ear infections about that those who

are not immunized get fewer ear infections - anyone have any experience with

this?





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:09:45 GMT

--------

rivcara@aol.com (RivCara) wrote:



>I heard something about immunizations and ear infections about that those who

>are not immunized get fewer ear infections - anyone have any experience with

>this?



Immunizations are strongly implicated in damaging the body, often

resulting in dysfunction leading to ear infection. They are rarely

recommended in alternative health and are, instead, to be avoided with

extreme prejudice.



If you are not familiar with this topic then it has probably come as a

bit of a shock. Fortunately, information is abundant on the Web once

you start looking for it. There are also many publications and books

dealing with this topic. Consulting with an Alternative practitioner

or inquiring at your local healthfood store can also get you started

on the road to "informed choice."

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:24:39 -0800

--------

> 

> >I heard something about immunizations and ear infections about that those who

> >are not immunized get fewer ear infections - anyone have any experience with

> >this?

> 

> 

After my oldest son recieved his first vaccination he ran a temp. for a

good week.  My son Doctor told me wait for a year before having him

recieve any more shots.  My sons second Doctor was very upset with me

for not having him immunized anyway. (We left him real quick after that

because he did not believe in home births. I was pregnant with my second

son).  

I did out of stupidity have my second son immunized on schedule.  He had

one ear infection after another.  We did not know much about

alternative  medicine at that time so stupidly we had the tubes placed

into his ears. (We did not know that a percentage of children who have

had tubes placed into the ears also later on develop hearing loss.) 

Three years after the tubes came out he had a 2.5% hearing loss in his

right ear.  At age 13 he now has a 25% hearing loss in his right ear.

My third son (we still had not learned out lesson but we were starting

to) we also had immunized on schedule and also developed ear infection

that would not clear up with medicine.  Our midwife told us to give him

Ferrum Phos.  a Homeopathic remedy.  With in three days his ears cleared

up and he has had no more ear infections since.

After we had our fourth son we finally wised up.  With no immunizations

until he started school.  (Even then we were not happy about doing it)

He has been our healthest son.  Very few colds not one ear infection. 

This is our son who spent his first four days of life in the NICU of

Childrens Hospital.



I am a firm beleiver of not having any child immunized for at least

until the child is at least 4 years of age if you have to do it.  If we

could do it all over again I would have never had any of our sons

immunized ever.



I do have one friend who almost lost her daughter after she recieved one

of her shots.  She went into a coma for 2 weeks.  The doctor told her to

not have any more of her children immunized.



J9





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 24 Jan 1998 07:00:39 GMT

--------

>I heard something about immunizations and ear infections about that those who

>are not immunized get fewer ear infections - anyone have any experience with

>this?



My oldest was immunized and had ear infections until he was 1.  My second no

shots, no ear infections.  My third and fourth, however, no shots, but both

have had ear infections.  All four were breastfed for at least three months,

btw.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Susan" <sdoweluv@eznet.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:17:39 -0500

--------

On a mailing list I get there was just a discussion on ear infections.  Most

attribute it to cow's milk.  If you have a source for goat's milk, you might

want to try that.  Most feel it works.



Susan





MDonthnier wrote in message

<19980124070000.CAA13120@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>>I heard something about immunizations and ear infections about that those

who

>>are not immunized get fewer ear infections - anyone have any experience

with

>>this?

>

>My oldest was immunized and had ear infections until he was 1.  My second

no

>shots, no ear infections.  My third and fourth, however, no shots, but both

>have had ear infections.  All four were breastfed for at least three

months,

>btw.

>

>Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

>Image/Tupperware

>mdonthnier@aol.com

>        Computer & Plastic

>West Alexandria, Ohio

>

>Peace to You!  John 20:19









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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:26:37 GMT

--------

>On a mailing list I get there was just a discussion on ear infections.  Most

>attribute it to cow's milk.  If you have a source for goat's milk, you might

>want to try that.  Most feel it works.

>

>Susan

>

>



See my earlier post, my youngest has never had cow's milk, a soy-based formula

and breast-fed until she was 5 mos, yes ... milk, no.  The oldest doesn't get

them anymore, and number 3 has been just fine of late.  They do drink good ole

2%.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Rebecca Weber" <rweber@richmond.edu>

Date: 22 Jan 1998 04:41:55 GMT

--------

> "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net> wrote:

> 

> >My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take antibiotics like

> >candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they are

on

> >the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat, in

general.

> 

> >Paul wrote in message <34b506ec.24026042@netnews.msn.com>...

> >>On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

> >>wrote:

> >>

> >>>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When

my

> >>>siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were

never

> >>>any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

> >>>conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

> >>>anti-biotics.



Another factor is that we've had antibiotics for long enough now that we've

effectively weeded out the weak bacteria - and the more antibiotics you

take, the more antibiotics the bacteria you're exposed to have a chance to

develop resistance to.  I'd say switching to natural remedies is working

because they haven't been used extensively and the bacteria haven't grown

resistant - and cutting back on antibiotics is definitely a good thing to.

Rebecca







==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Carole Nelson" <quailrun@triax.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:13:57 -0800

--------

Rebecca Weber wrote in message

<01bd26f1$407316a0$218ca68d@std40033.richmond.edu>...

>> "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net> wrote:

>>

>> >My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take

antibiotics like

>> >candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they

are

>on

>> >the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat,

in

>general.

>>

>Another factor is that we've had antibiotics for long enough now that

we've

>effectively weeded out the weak bacteria - and the more antibiotics

you

>take, the more antibiotics the bacteria you're exposed to have a

chance to

>develop resistance to.  I'd say switching to natural remedies is

working

>because they haven't been used extensively and the bacteria haven't

grown

>resistant - and cutting back on antibiotics is definitely a good

thing to.

>Rebecca

>

It seems there are more allergic children now, too. Or is this my

imagination? Fluid buildup in ears due to allergies is often treated

with antibiotics when a simple decongestant may be in order. This can

lead to antibiotic resistance. Again, we should be looking for the

cause and treat It rather than the symptoms in many cases.



Carole









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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:08:13 GMT

--------

Interesting. Perhaps one feeds the other. The smoking environment

produces kids that see the doctor more, which causes the administration

or more antibiotics which causes the kids to get sick more, which ......

Paul



On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:37:46 -0600, "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net>

wrote:



>My dad is a naturopath and has found that kids who take antibiotics like

>candy have had the highest rate of ear infection.  The longer they are on

>the antibiotics the more severe and difficult they are to treat, in general.







==========

To: Paul <nospam@nospam.com>

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "Wendy J. Beible" <wendy@redrose.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:00:32 -0500

--------

Paul:



I was raised with both smoking parents.  I got maybe one or two ear

infections and my brother never got any ear infections.  As a matter of

fact, many, many years ago people would actually blow smoke into their

child's ear who was in alot of pain.  I do remember that and it did give

me temporary relief but not for long.



Wendy



Paul wrote:



> On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:00:40 -0600, wherestonto@webtv.net (alone

> ranger)

> wrote:

>

> >Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do? When

> my

> >siblings & I were raised through the 50's, 60's, & 70's there were

> never

> >any ear problems. If I didn't know any better I'd say it was a

> >conspiracy between the pharmaceutical companies & the doctors to push

>

> >anti-biotics. What is going on? Mark

>

> Research that I read several years ago showed that ear infections were

>

> mainly in children that were being raised in a smoking environment.

> You

> might be one of the lucky ones who didn't have parents that smoked.

>

> Paul











==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 04:23:06 GMT

--------

>Why do kids these days have all the ear infections that they do?



Research has proven that cigarette smoke contains certain substances that cause

inner ear infections. This is one major cause.

Kerry





==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: James M Kocher <kocher+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Thu,  8 Jan 1998 11:25:50 -0500

--------

An herbal remedy of both mullein flowers and garlic is supposed to do

wonders for children's ear infections.  I cannot recall however from the

 herbalist I heard this from if he used an alcohol or oil base, but

there was mullein and garilc growing in great abundance in his gardens.



-Jim, Pittsburgh

        \|/

        \|/

         | 





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 11 Jan 1998 21:46:26 GMT

--------



Hi all,



Recently on TV they spoke about this very subject and the conclusion of the

series was that Echinacea was proven to be superior to antibiotics for

treatment of children's ear infections.    No side effects too.



If my child were to have an ear infection I would use the following herbs



Astragalus

Echinacea

Golden Seal

Nettle



These are the same herbs which work well on sinus infections.   The golden

seal and Echinacea are immune system boosters, the Nettle is known to be an

antihistimine and the Astragalus seems to have almost an antibiotic effect

on that type of infection.



Regards,

Evelyn













==========

Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: jbr@randomc.com

Date: 26 Jan 1998 20:45:08 GMT

--------



I've just started threading messages from this group about two weeks ago and

let a bunch pile up before reading, to get the flavor of the group.  After

50 messages on ear infections, I have yet to see mention of the easiest,

cheapest treatment yet.  If you or your child has an ear infection, this

works every time.  Go to any grocery store, convenience store, or "package"

or liquor store and get a small bottle of the cheapest dry red wine you can

find.  I find that in the U.S. something like Gallo's California Hearty

Burgundy is the cheapest and most widely available, though there are others.

 A 750-milliliter bottle costs between $2 and $4 just about anywhere.  Lie

down and fill thecanal of the infected ear with as much wine as it will

hold, it won't take more than a few small drops.  Let it sit in there for

ten to fifteen minutes, and then tip the head over and pour it out.  I've

seen it knock out an infection that built up in a 14-year-old boy over a

couple of days to the point that he was screaming in pain.  Daddy wouldn't

take him to the doctor, and was at a loss as to what to do otherwise.  He

looked on herbs and "natural" remedies as falling in to categories somewhere

between, unAmerican, left-wing, subversive, Satanic, witchcraft, and pure

bullshit.  He bought the wine and let the kid try it probably to shut my

pestering ass up.  Two or three treatments knocked it out.  Since most of

the wine was not used, there was some to drink or cook with.  There was no

need to go out and look for hard-to-find herbs, mix anything, or pay a

"health-food" store's rediculously over-inflated prices or listen to the

bull-shit from some multi-level marketing outfit trying to sell a few cents

worth of some concoction for many dollars.  In addition to removing the

infection and the fluid build-up in the middle and inner ear, the wine also

cleaned out the ear canal removing wax build-up.  This was a non-smoking

household;  I don't know whether the boy was breast-fed as a baby.



On 1998-01-08 kocher+@andrew.cmu.edu said:

   >Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

   >An herbal remedy of both mullein flowers and garlic is supposed to

   >do wonders for children's ear infections.  I cannot recall however

   >from the herbalist I heard this from if he used an alcohol or oil

   >base, but there was mullein and garilc growing in great abundance

   >in his gardens. -Jim, Pittsburgh

   >\|/

   >\|/

   >|



Reply to Brent Reynolds

jbr@randomc.com



Consult with a real expert - Call your mother.



Net-Tamer V 1.10.1  - Registered





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Subject: Re: Ear Infections: What is going on?

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 11:02:28 GMT

--------

During the 60-70-80,s parents weren't allowed to take care of the kids. When

ever they had health problems they ran to the local Dr. ( I worked for the most

overworked pediatrician in all of So. Cal.) No matter what they had, it was

diagnosed as a virus. Take this antiobiotic and somekind of pain remedy. ( We

all know how antiobods work on viruses, right!)  The kids were so doped up they

stopped hurting and were CURED. With bed rest they got better. (body heal

thyself)   But it never went into the records as ear infection, or bacterial

infection or whatever. 

Now we have specialized reporting of just who has what and how it was treated.

So we see more types of illnesses divided into more categories. Thats progress.



But...



We are all disenchanted with the medical profession and now are going back to

basics and treating our own illnesses.   I think we are much better off.





My 2 cents theory.



Mora





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Subject: Green Pod Tea

From: "THEHOSSMAN" <THEHOSSMAN@prodigy.net>

Date: 7 Jan 1998 21:19:17 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on a product called "green pod tea".



We have heard that it is helpful in controlling diabetes.



Response please to    " thehossman@hotmail.com "





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Subject: Herbal bath products.

From: wellsjandj@aol.com (WELLSJANDJ)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 21:36:12 GMT

--------

I want to make herbal bath bags, but don't know whihc herbs to combine together

and in what qulantities to achieve particular effects, e.g soothing,

invigorating, realxing etc. Can anyone help?







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal bath products.

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:52 -0900

--------

Here are some recipes for you.



Bath Salts:

Mix together 1/2 cup of salt, 1/2 cup of Epsom salts, and 1/2 cup of baking soda. Mix well, adding food coloring and scented oil if desired. Keep tightly closed. Add to bath water by tablespoons to desired strength. Very soothing, relaxing and good for your skin.



Scented bath powder:

Mix 1 ounce of orris root, 1/2 tablespoon powdered cloves, and 1 ounce of powdered sage. Add 2 ounces of corn starch and mix well. To make different scents, simply add the herb of your choice. Use powdered herbs if possible, otherwise grind as fine as you can. Keep tightly closed to retain scent.



Lavender bath mixture:

Crush and mix 1 ounce of dried lavender flowers, 1 ounce of dried basil, 2 teaspoons of cinnamon. Add to 1 pint of witch hazel. Steep for 2 weeks and strain. Add 1/4 cup to bath water or use as an after-bath splash.



Apple bath addition:

Pour 1-1/2 pints of boiling water over 1/4 cup of dried apple slices, 1/2 teaspoon cinnamon, and 1/2 teaspoon of whole cloves. Steep for 30 minutes. Use in bath water for a refreshing bath.



Herbal love bath:

This is to pamper yourself when you're down. Mix 7 cups of lavender, 6 cups of rosemary, 5 cups of rose petals, 4 cups of lovage, 3 cups verbana leaves, 1 cup each of thyme, marjoram, mint, and orris powder. Put in a container and keep tightly closed. To use, put 1/4 cup of the mixture in a muslin bag and tie securely. Boil the bath ball in 1 quart of water for 10 minutes. Add to bath water and scrub with the ball.



Scented bath for men:

Mix equal parts of lavender and pine needles. Boil and steep for 15 minutes. Strain and add to bath water. Lavender, verbena, nutmeg, geranium, lemon balm, and thyme are all good to add for a manly scent. If desired, you may add 1 tablespoon (or more) of the herb mixture to enhance the scent.



Hope that helps you out.



Kay



 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Type I diabetes/Hashimoto's thyroiditis

From: "Stephen Connors" <connors2@camcomp.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:08:21 -0500

--------

Gang:



My kid has the above conditions. I fear that the upcoming economic problems

will render access to the medical system difficult or impossible.



I read stuff that sez Herb A is good for Diabetes, so is Herb B, but I get

no qualitiative stuff. I realize that they do this for legal reasons, but it

still doesn't help me much. All herbs cannot be created equal. There must be

an "art" to this stuff tells you when to switch herbs, increase/decrease

dosage, etc....  Where do I get that info?



Also, if you were to grow your own herbal pharmacy, which herbs would you

grow? I have access to greenhouses, so I can climate control.



Thanks











==========

Subject: Re: Type I diabetes/Hashimoto's thyroiditis

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 01:13:48 GMT

--------

My sister-in-law also has Hashimoto's Disease and has to take medication for

the rest of her life.  I believe part of her thyroid was surgically removed???



In any case, I would appreciate any information out there for treatment of

this.  Thanks in advance!



Leslie



VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING!!

 Valentine's Day Gifts 

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Valentines.html



Check It Out!!!





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Subject: Re: Lowest Prices For Noni On The Net!

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 7 Jan 1998 18:56:36 -0600

--------



Rabbi Moshe,



	You're spamming us here on this group and other med groups...This

is not good, especially since it's only to fatten your wallet.



	I just spent a couple minutes on Medline looking up NONI and

Morinda Citrifolia.    Other than 2 "no abstract available" studies done

in the same publication, by the same person, there is literally

nada/zip/zilch scientific research done on Noni juice...



So, besides the current marketing blitz, where do you people who believe

in Noni get your information from?



	...Rodney







Rabbi Moshe (noni@hawaiian.net) wrote:



: Noni is a legendary food used as medicine. This pure wild noni has been

: used by Hawaiians as a preventative medicine, as well as a curative, for a

: long list of diseases.



PS: Food that costs $200+ a pound?!?!   







==========

Subject: Re: Lowest Prices For Noni On The Net!

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:48:42 GMT

--------



>The price is 70 dollars for a quarter pound.

>A healthy suggested portion for Dried Noni Fruit would be 10 grams, taken

>three times daily.



I agree that noni will likely prove to be very beneficial in the

treatment of many disorders, but at present I would posit that

the, e.g., $70 for four days of consuming "healthy"

servings would be better spent on a month of other 

supplements.  I will wait until it is more widely available 

and not sold just by MLMs (and therefore about 1/2 or 

less the cost) before I  try it.



turf







==========

Subject: Storing/Preserving Aloe

From: Donna Smith-Whitty <donnaf@netdoor.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:03:08 -0600

--------

I'm looking for facts or recipes for storing aloe juice.  I have a

beautiful plant (very large) which was severely damaged by a quite

unexpected snow, and now all that wonderful healing juice is going to dry

up and go to waste.  I know how to scrape it out of the leaves, but then

how do I store it so that it keeps for an extended period of time?  I've

tried keeping small amounts in the refridgerator, but that doesn't seem to

work.  Any suggestions?  I'm also willing to make it into salves, creams,

ointments, anything that can preserve its use for when it's needed.

Please send comments to me directly at <donnaf@netdoor.com>  Thanks in

advance for any responses.



Peace and Hope,



Donna







==========

Subject: Re: Storing/Preserving Aloe

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:55:54 GMT

--------

Have you tried just scraping it and storing it in mason jars or bottles in the

cupboard?  It will keep by itself for a good six to eight months.

Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





==========

Subject: Re: Storing/Preserving Aloe

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:13:38 -0500

--------

Hi There,



Aloe Vera : The gel obtained by breaking the leaves is a remarkable healer.

Applied to wounds, it forms a clear protective seal and encourages skin

regeneration.

But it should be emphasized that, apart from external application, aloes are

not for home medication.

Always seek medical attention for serious burns and wounds.



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

RedWitch04 wrote in message

<19980108145500.JAA24472@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Have you tried just scraping it and storing it in mason jars or bottles in

the

>cupboard?  It will keep by itself for a good six to eight months.

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?







==========

Subject: How much garlic???

From: cricket853@aol.com (Cricket853)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 02:09:00 GMT

--------

I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've noticed

that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be taking if I

would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?



Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of garlic?  Is

it true that it may help prevent cancer?





Linda





==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: William Ball <wball@kent.edu>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:52:09 -0500

--------

Garlic is one of the best "bad guy/gal" <G> fighters known to man. It's been used

for centuries. Most germs can't live in Garlic. During the winter months, I move my

intake up to around 1800 MG. in pill form and try to have at least 3 or 4 cloves

per day of fresh garlic. I have aVERY weak immune system and use to catch almost

any and everything going around. I caught a head cold a while back, before I up'd

my fresh garlic intake. I had it for 4 weeks and couldn't shake it and finally came

to my senses and started eating 3 or 4 frsh cloves a day. The cold was gone within

a week. My wife doesn't like that much garlic so she backed off and caught a cold

from one of our granddaughters, who also infected my mother-in-law and an aunt.

It's taken about a week of increased fresh garlic, but the cold is gone. The others

still have it and "I" haven't caught it again. My nose did run a little more than

usual a couple of days.



As a preventative and cure, I'm sold on it.



Cricket853 wrote:



> I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've noticed

> that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be taking if I

> would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?

>

> Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of garlic?  Is

> it true that it may help prevent cancer?

>

> Linda







--







    Bill Ball

   Email: WBALL@KENT.EDU



     ()_()   ()*()

      (_)     (_)



Have a Disney day.









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Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: "tjohnson" <tjohnson@p9.com >

Date: 8 Jan 1998 23:50:02 GMT

--------





William Ball <wball@kent.edu> wrote in article

<34B4DA08.D75307D9@kent.edu>...

> I caught a head cold a while back, before I up'd

> my fresh garlic intake. I had it for 4 weeks and couldn't shake it and

finally came

> to my senses and started eating 3 or 4 frsh cloves a day. The cold was

gone within

> a week. My wife doesn't like that much garlic so she backed off and

caught a cold



William - you hit on what I have said for years - you can take the garlic

in pill form in as high a dose as you want, and it's not going to do the

same thing as having 3 or 4 cloves in your meal every day.  I chop (instead

of press) garlic and put on everything.  I am 68 yrs and haven't had a bad

cold in at least 15 - 20 years.  Do I have bad breath?  Only if I am around

people who don't eat garlic! ;-)

Tom



> > I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've

noticed

> > that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be

taking if I

> > would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?

> >

> > Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of

garlic?  Is

> > it true that it may help prevent cancer?

> >

> > Linda

> 

> 

> 

> --

> 

> 

> 

>     Bill Ball

>    Email: WBALL@KENT.EDU

> 

>      ()_()   ()*()

>       (_)     (_)

> 

> Have a Disney day.

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: kinir <kinir@intnet.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 14:52:00 -0500

--------

tjohnson wrote:

> 

> William Ball <wball@kent.edu> wrote in article

> <34B4DA08.D75307D9@kent.edu>...

> > I caught a head cold a while back, before I up'd

> > my fresh garlic intake. I had it for 4 weeks and couldn't shake it and

> finally came

> > to my senses and started eating 3 or 4 frsh cloves a day. The cold was

> gone within

> > a week. My wife doesn't like that much garlic so she backed off and

> caught a cold

> 

> William - you hit on what I have said for years - you can take the garlic

> in pill form in as high a dose as you want, and it's not going to do the

> same thing as having 3 or 4 cloves in your meal every day.  I chop (instead

> of press) garlic and put on everything.  I am 68 yrs and haven't had a bad

> cold in at least 15 - 20 years.  Do I have bad breath?  Only if I am around

> people who don't eat garlic! ;-)

> Tom

> 

> > > I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've

> noticed

> > > that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be

> taking if I

> > > would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?

> > >

> > > Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of

> garlic?  Is

> > > it true that it may help prevent cancer?

> > >

> > > Linda

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> >

> >

> >

> >     Bill Ball

> >    Email: WBALL@KENT.EDU

> >

> >      ()_()   ()*()

> >       (_)     (_)

> >

> > Have a Disney day.

> >

> >

> >

You were exactly right in eating 3-5 cloves per day. Pills/capsules

take the precious garlic oil OUT,which is what benefits you the most!

Please see these sites for more info:

#4 newsletter of:

http://www.healthfree.com/newletter/news1_4.htm

and

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/

and

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/order/





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Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: "CHRIS OVERMANN" <sorry@nospam.com>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 17:14:13 GMT

--------

While we're on the topic, is there anything that can be taken to reduce the

odor of garlic? I was wondering if parsley would, or something similar.



If I remember right the more smelly the more effective garlic is. So would

baked garlic not be effective? I also thought that you had to press garlic

to smoosh the two elements together that make it effective/smelly. Does

chopped garlic work as well as pressed? Sorry, I'm not being very technical

with my terms here.

Christy



> William - you hit on what I have said for years - you can take the garlic

> in pill form in as high a dose as you want, and it's not going to do the

> same thing as having 3 or 4 cloves in your meal every day.  I chop

(instead

> of press) garlic and put on everything.  I am 68 yrs and haven't had a

bad

> cold in at least 15 - 20 years.  Do I have bad breath?  Only if I am

around

> people who don't eat garlic! ;-)

> Tom

> 







==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: J.Stott@btinternet.com

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:48:27 GMT

--------

On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:52:09 -0500, William Ball <wball@kent.edu>

wrote:



>Garlic is one of the best "bad guy/gal" <G> fighters known to man. It's been used

>for centuries. Most germs can't live in Garlic. During the winter months, I move my

>intake up to around 1800 MG. in pill form and try to have at least 3 or 4 cloves

>per day of fresh garlic. I have aVERY weak immune system and use to catch almost

>any and everything going around. I caught a head cold a while back, before I up'd

>my fresh garlic intake. I had it for 4 weeks and couldn't shake it and finally came

>to my senses and started eating 3 or 4 frsh cloves a day. The cold was gone within

>a week. My wife doesn't like that much garlic so she backed off and caught a cold

>from one of our granddaughters, who also infected my mother-in-law and an aunt.

>It's taken about a week of increased fresh garlic, but the cold is gone. The others

>still have it and "I" haven't caught it again. My nose did run a little more than

>usual a couple of days.

>

>As a preventative and cure, I'm sold on it.

>



I have read thar odourless garlic is not effective but am concerned

about the unsocial aspect of fresh garlic cloves.  How do your friends

cope with your presence or do you have a remedy for garlic breath.



>Cricket853 wrote:

>

>> I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've noticed

>> that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be taking if I

>> would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?

>>

>> Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of garlic?  Is

>> it true that it may help prevent cancer?

>>

>> Linda







==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: "PaulaAnne SharkeyLemire" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 16 Jan 1998 20:56:11 GMT

--------

Greetings from a garlic addict!  I eat it because I like it, but I haven't

been sick in ages.  I personally use about two large heads a day in my

cooking...more if I'm making something like pasta sauce.  But I admit to be

an extremist.  As for the odor, I have never had problems.  But you might

want to try chewing parsley or finsihing your meal with something lemony. 

I haven't had to do that myself, but quite a few books suggest it.  



Paula 

The Garlic Goddess



"When In Doubt, Smother It With Garlic!"



J.Stott@btinternet.com wrote in article

<34b914c2.6496633@news.btinternet.com>...

> On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 08:52:09 -0500, William Ball <wball@kent.edu>

> wrote:

> 

> >Garlic is one of the best "bad guy/gal" <G> fighters known to man. It's

been used

> >for centuries. Most germs can't live in Garlic. During the winter

months, I move my

> >intake up to around 1800 MG. in pill form and try to have at least 3 or

4 cloves

> >per day of fresh garlic. I have aVERY weak immune system and use to

catch almost

> >any and everything going around. I caught a head cold a while back,

before I up'd

> >my fresh garlic intake. I had it for 4 weeks and couldn't shake it and

finally came

> >to my senses and started eating 3 or 4 frsh cloves a day. The cold was

gone within

> >a week. My wife doesn't like that much garlic so she backed off and

caught a cold

> >from one of our granddaughters, who also infected my mother-in-law and

an aunt.

> >It's taken about a week of increased fresh garlic, but the cold is gone.

The others

> >still have it and "I" haven't caught it again. My nose did run a little

more than

> >usual a couple of days.

> >

> >As a preventative and cure, I'm sold on it.

> >

> 

> I have read thar odourless garlic is not effective but am concerned

> about the unsocial aspect of fresh garlic cloves.  How do your friends

> cope with your presence or do you have a remedy for garlic breath.

> 

> >Cricket853 wrote:

> >

> >> I'm taking 270 mg per day in capsule form.  It is 95% odorless.  I've

noticed

> >> that they make much stonger forms...up to 3g.  How much should I be

taking if I

> >> would like to maximize the impact of garlic lowering my cholesterol?

> >>

> >> Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are the benefits of

garlic?  Is

> >> it true that it may help prevent cancer?

> >>

> >> Linda

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: ezekielk@mailcity.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:28:52 GMT

--------

On 16 Jan 1998 20:56:11 GMT, "PaulaAnne SharkeyLemire"

<paula23@sprynet.com> said:



>Greetings from a garlic addict!  I eat it because I like it, but I haven't

>been sick in ages.  I personally use about two large heads a day in my

>cooking...more if I'm making something like pasta sauce.  But I admit to be

>an extremist.  As for the odor, I have never had problems.  But you might

>want to try chewing parsley or finsihing your meal with something lemony. 

>I haven't had to do that myself, but quite a few books suggest it.  



Cooked garlic eliminates odor problems, for the most part.  But it

also eliminates some of the most important health benefits. Raw garlic

is best, no way around it.



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To: Cricket853 <cricket853@aol.com>

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: "John G." <guz@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:49:55 -0800

--------

Cricket853 wrote:

> 

> How much (garlic) should I be taking if I

> would like to maximize the impact of (it) 

> lowering my cholesterol?



There will likely be many people trashing what

I am about to say, but the efficacy of Garlic

in lowering cholesterol is very overrated.

Like all other supplements, it is not a crutch,

or a replacement, for proper dietary/activity

regimens.  



Garlic *is* extremely valuable for protection

against/mediation of, infection & toxicity.

Ditto for blood pressure.  As with everything

else, start slowly & titrate your dosing

upwards towards your tolerance (against diarrhea,

bad breath, etc.) point...



 

> Aside from also lowering blood pressure, what are 

> the benefits of garlic?  Is it true that it may 

> help prevent cancer?



Here too what I am going to say will draw criticism,

but brands of Garlic matter tremendously vis-a-vis

what you are trying to address.  For me, the Kwai

brand of Garlic was most effective for lowering

blood pressure, while the Maximum Allicin formula

from Quintessence (the people who supply Kyolic

with their base material, trade name PureGar) gave

me my best protection against infections.





==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 01:12:12 GMT

--------

>> How much (garlic) should I be taking if I

>> would like to maximize the impact of (it) 

>> lowering my cholesterol?



Although I am not the most knowledgeable around, from what I've read, there

really is not a ceiling that you can take when it comes to garlic.  Fresh is

best....



I don't know if high doses would upset some stomachs or not?



Leslie



VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING!!

 Valentine's Day Gifts 

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Valentines.html



Check It Out!!!





==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: "Susan" <sdoweluv@eznet.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:13 -0500

--------

But the chocolate he is refering to is probably much different than what we

eat here in the US.  Used to work for a German chef who never used

"american" chocolate.



Susan



wl-ski wrote in message ...

> a> Jan 1998 06:00:59 GMT

> a> Subject: Re: How much garlic???

> a> From: artamisss@aol.com (ArtAmisss)

>

>>> I personally use about two large heads a day ...more (if) making ...

>pasta sauce.

>

> a> WOW! That's a lotta garlic!! 2 HEADS a day?????

>

>>>... anything ... taken to reduce the odor of garlic?

>

> a> I knew this Indian (East, as in India) guy once who ate a lot of

>garlic

> a> (but not as much as The Garlic Goddess!!), curry and other misc.

> a> spices. He swore by chocolate as a remedy for bad garlic breath and

> a> ate it after virtually every meal. I dont know if it works for

>everyone,

> a> but I never smelled it on him!

>

>Well, that's good enough for me!   (Do I *need* much encouragement,

>where chocolate is concerned?   :)   No, really.  We'll have to

>sacrifice ourselves to this thought, to see if it works!

>

>The (prepared) product that we use (in addition to the "fresh" stuff)

>adds parsley, to take care

>of the smell.  It works, unless massive doses are taken (which my

>husband does, from time to time).  I assure you that he would prefer

>the chocolate!  (Who would've ever thought, ...chocolate as a breath

>... umm, freshener...   :)

>

>cheers,

>WL Sakowski

>

>(Shucks, now I have to think of what I can serve him today, ...

>something that I can 'load up' with garlic... I want to try this out.

>:)

>









==========

Subject: Re: How much garlic???

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 05:52:23 GMT

--------

Susan (sdoweluv@eznet.net) wrote:

:But the chocolate he is refering to is probably much different than what we

:eat here in the US.  Used to work for a German chef who never used

:"american" chocolate.

:

:Susan

:



There really isn't much difference.  I use cocoa daily, and have used several

different ones over the years.  Cocoa is a rather pure form of chocolate, and

easy to guage, as it contains ... cocoa.  Nothing else. (My favorite cocoa is

Droste, a Dutch brand  - but Hershey cocoa is not far behind)



US chocolate is not 'Dutched' using an alkali process.  The alkali process

sweetens the cocoa a little bit.  Just noticeable.  However, Hershey does sell

dutched cocoa as well as the non-dutched version, which is their mainstay

(sometimes found in the baking sections of your grocery store, rather than in

the confections section). 



In Europe, there's a debate on whether vegetable oil can be used in the making

of chocolate bars, or just cocoa butter.  It's a labeling war.  No result yet.



The difference between the taste of chocolate *bars* might be what you're

speaking of.  If it is, don't buy British, as they add veg oils.   However, in

my experience, a Cadbury's bar is divine.  Bourneville ain't bad either.  



A last note: Continental Europeans sometimes have an annoying tendancy to

denigrate anything American, whether they're really in the know or not.  I'm

not saying your German friend was doing this, but I would watch out for this

phenomenon, and check out what is said before believing it.  Nationalism and

delusions of taste-superiority abound. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: RE: Mouth Ulcers..My story

From: dumbndumber@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 20:11:55 -0600

--------

I used to get mouth ulcers every month, each lasting 1-2 weeks.

My doctor finally narrowed the cause down. She said I was suffering

from a Vitamin B deficiency, that weakens the mucous membrane

lining the mouth cavity. The preventive solution is to take more

red meats, liver etc. I don't particularly enjoy red meats. As an

alternative, I've resorted to taking Multi-Vitamin supplements

high in B complex (take the time release type). Since then, my

recurrence of mouth ulcers is rare and far between.



Chronic suffers, try sustained release multi-vitamins high in

B complex. 1 tablet 2x per day. It should colour your urine bright

yellow. Try one bottle and see if your condition improves.



dumbo



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Subject: herbs for cancer

From: adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu

Date: Wed, 07 Jan 98 21:40:57 EST

--------

 I am looking for references (books or word of mouth info) for herbs used in

treating cancer. An acquaintance has non-Hodgkins lymphoma and breast cancer,

and is looking for herbs to take in addition to her chemo.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Anne





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: William Ball <wball@kent.edu>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 09:03:01 -0500

--------

I would suggest "Beating Cancer Through Nutrition" by Patrick Quinlin (?sp). I

used it a couple of years ago when I had cancer. I WISH I had read it BEFORE I

took the chemo. He doesn't discourage "traditional" treatments but "in my case" I

was unfortunate enough to get a lieing Oncolgist. At any rate it got me through

the chemo and at one point in the chemo, saved my life with what is called the

"Dragon Slayer" shake.



adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu wrote:



>  I am looking for references (books or word of mouth info) for herbs used in

> treating cancer. An acquaintance has non-Hodgkins lymphoma and breast cancer,

> and is looking for herbs to take in addition to her chemo.

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Anne







--







    Bill Ball

   Email: WBALL@KENT.EDU



     ()_()   ()*()

      (_)     (_)



Have a Disney day.









==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: Tabitha <f64tb5h0@students.su.se>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:49:34 +0100

--------

adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu wrote:

> 

>  I am looking for references (books or word of mouth info) for herbs used in

> treating cancer. An acquaintance has non-Hodgkins lymphoma and breast cancer,

> and is looking for herbs to take in addition to her chemo.

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> 

> Anne



My husband takes misletoe injections. Here in Sweden you need a 

prescription from your doctor in order to buy them. The shots stimulate 

the immunesystem and sometimes he gets terribles rashes and swellings 

locally (near the area where he injects himself). This treatment is also 

known to lessen the effects of chemo-therapy.

Good luck,

Tabitha.

-- 



    \|/  

   /   \

   |0^0|

 mm\ ~ /mm





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: "Staffan Malmberg" <staffan.malmberg@hylte.mail.telia.com>

Date: 16 Jan 98 19:32:27 GMT

--------

www.cats-claw.com/

vll.com/PhilS/index.html

vll.com/PhilS/mailer.html

Above you find interesting websites in US selling Cats Claw. Try that



Staffan









==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: ras richard i <selassie@swbell.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:04:16 -0800

--------

Staffan Malmberg wrote:

> 

> www.cats-claw.com/

> vll.com/PhilS/index.html

> vll.com/PhilS/mailer.html

> Above you find interesting websites in US selling Cats Claw. Try that

> 

> Staffancolli weed

lambs bread

fresh ganja idres





cook it, smoke it,



peace and blessings



ras richard i





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: "Barbara" <bgrave@southwind.net>

Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:02:21 GMT

--------

I consulted a local health food store regarding treatment for my

sister-in-law, who has been battling first breast cancer, then liver

cancer, he suggested Essiac Tea.  This herbal compound was developed by a

woman in Canada, Rene Caisse who treated terminal cancer patients for

decades with an astounding 80% sucess rate.  Friends and relatives of those

patients that did die reported the tea greatly eased the patient's pain and

suffering.  My sister-in-law has been using it for three months and has

reported great improvement.  Her liver, which was enlarged is now almost

back to normal size.  She is convinced the tea is responsible.  Check it

out.  

Love and Light to you.





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: moondiva@webtv.net (Julia Arcuri)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:03:10 -0800

--------

Hi my name is Julia I have liver cancer and have tried several different

treatments, I never heard of this herd Una De Gato please,please may I

have more information on this, and where I can get it. 

                                                 THANK YOU











==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: fireskin@aol.com (Fireskin)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:02:08 GMT

--------

My aunt had cancer last year {ovarian} and was given 3 months to live.  She

took a mixture of cats claw, astragalus, bupleurum, echinacea, licorice and

siberian ginseng. She suplemented this mixture with milk thistle and vitamin e

{at least 800mg/day}.  She is {a year later almost exactly} now cancer free and

healthy.  Her doctor is researching these herbs for himself because her

recovery was so quick and remarkable. You might try them.  Use the tinctures if

possible, they seem to be more effective. 



Hope this can help.







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 02:05:47 GMT

--------

Good news!   Were any of the herbs you mentioned more effective than any

others? Did she also try sheep sorrel and burdock?   ...if so, were they at all

effective? Thanks.





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: splat <splat@nospam.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:57:54 GMT

--------

Fireskin wrote:

> 

> My aunt had cancer last year {ovarian} and was given 3 months to live.  She

> took a mixture of cats claw, astragalus, bupleurum, echinacea, licorice and

> siberian ginseng. She suplemented this mixture with milk thistle and vitamin e

> {at least 800mg/day}.  She is {a year later almost exactly} now cancer free and

> healthy.  Her doctor is researching these herbs for himself because her

> recovery was so quick and remarkable. You might try them.  Use the tinctures if

> possible, they seem to be more effective.





    How  would  one know what dosage to use of each?



thanks



splat





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for cancer

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:00:50 GMT

--------

splat <splat@nospam.com> wrote:



>> My aunt had cancer last year {ovarian} and was given 3 months to live.  She

>> took a mixture of cats claw, astragalus, bupleurum, echinacea, licorice and

>> siberian ginseng. She suplemented this mixture with milk thistle and vitamin e

>> {at least 800mg/day}.  She is {a year later almost exactly} now cancer free and

>> healthy.  Her doctor is researching these herbs for himself because her

>> recovery was so quick and remarkable. You might try them.  Use the tinctures if

>> possible, they seem to be more effective.



>    How  would  one know what dosage to use of each?



Taking this number of supplements, you probably would not take more

than recommended dosage of any one herb unless directed by a

professional.  



However, this mix would likely be taken quite beneficially at 3x

recommended dosage, except for the licorice and possibly the ginseng.

Astragalus is a food and you could take an entire bottle of tincture

(or 50 capsules) and the only side effects would be good.  Cat's

claw is used by some at up to 75g per day, but this could cause

bleeding problems at this dosage.  3x recommended is safe for it.

Siberian ginseng could be too stimulating at more than recommended

dosage.  Milk thistle is effective enough at recommended dosage

(especially if taken with turmeric, as in Now Silymarin).  



Vitamin E, of course, would be supplemented at an appropriate rate, 

800IU is recommended by many.  To be careful, any dosage

over 400IU should be worked up to, or backed off, gradually.    



Other than these considerations, the main objection many would

have to this regimen taken at higher rates is the cost.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf Tea

From: HealthyU@coastalwebonline.com (Healthy2U)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 03:58:07 GMT

--------

On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:52:29 -0800, The Frederickson's

<freder@newulmtel.net> wrote:



IT is excellent for pregnancy..drinking it from the first you find

out. It tones the uterus, and keeps the woman looking young. It helps

in childbirth. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of other

things...you can pick it off the bush in your yard at any time. Put a

small handful of leaves in boiled water...not boiling...very hot, and

let it steep for 10 min...add honey if you like. It's very good for

the female system...email me for more info, have to run right now...



HealthyU@cwo.com

http://www/cwo.com/~healthyu





>I've been seeing this tea show up in a few places.

>What is it good for?

>Can you "overdose" and do damage? 

>Where can I get more info on this tea?

>Is the Raspberry leaf a special variety of raspberry or just the plain

>old raspberry's growing out in my yard? If it's what's in my yard, how

>and when should it be harvested?

>Any other info on the tea?







==========

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf Tea

From: "Susan" <sdoweluv@eznet.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 10:04:18 -0500

--------

Read a book about 10 yrs. ago that said when you go into labor if you drink

1 pint of red raspberry leaf tea your labor will be shortened.  Don't know

how true since I've never had any children.



Susan



Healthy2U wrote in message <34b44e29.13263530@news.cwo.com>...

>On Sun, 28 Dec 1997 15:52:29 -0800, The Frederickson's

><freder@newulmtel.net> wrote:

>

>IT is excellent for pregnancy..drinking it from the first you find

>out. It tones the uterus, and keeps the woman looking young. It helps

>in childbirth. Right off the top of my head, I can't think of other

>things...you can pick it off the bush in your yard at any time. Put a

>small handful of leaves in boiled water...not boiling...very hot, and

>let it steep for 10 min...add honey if you like. It's very good for

>the female system...email me for more info, have to run right now...

>

>HealthyU@cwo.com

>http://www/cwo.com/~healthyu

>

>

>>I've been seeing this tea show up in a few places.

>>What is it good for?

>>Can you "overdose" and do damage?

>>Where can I get more info on this tea?

>>Is the Raspberry leaf a special variety of raspberry or just the plain

>>old raspberry's growing out in my yard? If it's what's in my yard, how

>>and when should it be harvested?

>>Any other info on the tea?

>









==========

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf Tea

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 11:03:20 -0900

--------

HI Susan,

You have to drink from the beginning of the second trimester throughout the rest of the pregnancy to help with labor.

I use Red Raspberry Leaf and a Nettles mixture of tea. This is recommended by my midwife now. In fact, I was the client who caused her to make it mandatory for all her new clients. I had a long labor the last time and was progressing slowly. I drank it while in labor and it didn't help. You have to use it throughout the pregnancy to strengthen and tone the uterus.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Susan wrote in message <34b4ea27.0@news.eznet.net>...

>Read a book about 10 yrs. ago that said when you go into labor if you drink

>1 pint of red raspberry leaf tea your labor will be shortened.  Don't know

>how true since I've never had any children.

>

>Susan









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Subject: GUARANA

From: rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 06:09:33 GMT

--------

DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT OR HAS HAD THE BRAZILIAN HERB GUARANA  IT SEEMS TO BE

THE BIG THING FOR GIVING ENERGY . I NEED SOME FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES ,AS I AM A

NATURAL BODYBUILDER WHO IS LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE TO HELP ME INMY TRAINING





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Subject: Re: GUARANA

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 05:29:00 -0700

--------

rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590) wrote:



>DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT OR HAS HAD THE BRAZILIAN HERB GUARANA  IT SEEMS TO BE

>THE BIG THING FOR GIVING ENERGY .

 It is basically caffiene ... nothing exotic or special about it.

It has been around since the mid-1800s as a drug, and fully

analysed in the 1927 edition of the "Materia Medica", which gives

it's caffiene (called guaranine by earlier researchers) content.



> I NEED SOME FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES

During "Brazil Week" at the University of Arizona, they imported

a guarana-based soft drink that is wildly popular in Brazil: the

campus was swilling it down, and everyone had the jitters.  The

pharmacy students analysed it.  Results: the equivalent of 4

NoDoz in every can of the beverage.  No wonder they can samba

nonstop at Carnaval!



>NATURAL BODYBUILDER WHO IS LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE 

>TO HELP ME INMY TRAINING

You'd do just as well, and cheaper, with Expresso or Jolt Cola.

The sad news is that there aren't any shortcuts that herbs can

give you.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: GUARANA

From: "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:45:23 -0600

--------

Not true, there are herbs that can assist in body building.

Androstenedione, a precursor to testosterone, is available as a supplement.

Chrysin is another, it prevents the breakdown of testosterone into estrogen.

An herbal concentrate called Tribulus terrestris also works very well.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34b5d247.1413330@news.primenet.com>...

>rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590) wrote:

>

>>DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT OR HAS HAD THE BRAZILIAN HERB GUARANA  IT SEEMS TO

BE

>>THE BIG THING FOR GIVING ENERGY .

> It is basically caffiene ... nothing exotic or special about it.

>It has been around since the mid-1800s as a drug, and fully

>analysed in the 1927 edition of the "Materia Medica", which gives

>it's caffiene (called guaranine by earlier researchers) content.

>

>> I NEED SOME FIRST HAND EXPERIENCES

>During "Brazil Week" at the University of Arizona, they imported

>a guarana-based soft drink that is wildly popular in Brazil: the

>campus was swilling it down, and everyone had the jitters.  The

>pharmacy students analysed it.  Results: the equivalent of 4

>NoDoz in every can of the beverage.  No wonder they can samba

>nonstop at Carnaval!

>

>>NATURAL BODYBUILDER WHO IS LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE

>>TO HELP ME INMY TRAINING

>You'd do just as well, and cheaper, with Expresso or Jolt Cola.

>The sad news is that there aren't any shortcuts that herbs can

>give you.

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com

>(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

> But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)









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Subject: Re: GUARANA

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:45:13 GMT

--------

On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:45:23 -0600, "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Not true, there are herbs that can assist in body building.

>Androstenedione, a precursor to testosterone, is available as a supplement.

>Chrysin is another, it prevents the breakdown of testosterone into estrogen.

>An herbal concentrate called Tribulus terrestris also works very well.



;) tehehe. As you seem sure that 'Androstenedione' and 'Chrysin' are herbs,

would you care to give their latin names? (They're NOT herbs.)



Next, Tribulus terrestris (Puncture vine) is not an herbal concentrate, it's a

plant. Picture surely available somewhere or other on the net - let's see: 

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/Images/T-Z/Tribulus_terrestrus.jpg

Nice little plant, looks just like our European Potentilla anserina, and will

kill your bicycle tires ... abundant in Colorado and New Mexico.



What I'd like to know: how does Tribulus terrestris work for bodybuilders? Like,

what do you believe it does? And if so, have -you- done it, or is it just

hearsay?



(I'm kind of wishing that there'd be a MLM based on Tribulus ;) )



And oh yes, Guarana is one of the caffeine-containing plants. Black or green tea

is cheaper.



Cheers

Henriette





--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: GUARANA

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:59:55 GMT

--------

>Subject: GUARANA

>From: rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590)

>Date: Thu, Jan 8, 1998 01:09 EST

>Message-id: <19980108060901.BAA01651@ladder01.news.aol.com>

>

>



>DOES ANY ONE KNOW ABOUT OR HAS HAD THE BRAZILIAN HERB GUARANA  IT SEEMS TO BE

>THE BIG THING FOR GIVING ENERGY 



That would be due to it's high caffeine content and not much else.



Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





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Subject: Loquat properties

From: "kpb" <kpb@earthling.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 08:00:04 -0500

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I have a loquat tree and am wondering what its medicinal properties are and how I can take advantage of same.



-- 

K.  :-)

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To: kpb <kpb@earthling.net>

Subject: Re: Loquat properties

From: "Jonathan, Andrew, or Lina" <barnhaus@mediaone.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:06:52 +0000

--------

Loquat has traditionally been used for treating coughs and colds -

loquat syrup can be found in many Asian and health-food stores.   One

precaution - the seeds and leaves contain variable amounts of cyanogenic

glycosides, (like peach pits and apple seeds) than can break down into

cyanide.  In small amounts, these compounds depress the cough reflex and

may have other beneficial effects.  In large amounts, they are toxic.



There was one case in Florida where a child ate several whole loquat

fruits (including seeds) and went into a coma for a day. The child came

around after a day and was fine, but it must have been frightening for

the parents. 



Michael Tierra says that the plant has antitussive (cough), expectorant,

and antiinflammitory properties as well. He reccomends a cold water

infusion of 6-15 grams of leaves. 



I transplanted a six foot loquat in March, and it is setting fruit now.

I'll have to buy a good cherry-pitter in a few months to make preserves. 



Best wishes, Jonathan 



]



kpb wrote:

> 

> I have a loquat tree and am wondering what its medicinal properties

> are and how I can take advantage of same.

> 

> --

> K.  :-)





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Subject: Re: Loquat properties

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:38:12 -0500

--------

Don't know if you ever got a reply.  Loquat (Eriobotrya Japonica) leaves are used in Chinese herbal medicine as an antitussive expectorant and antiemetic.  Used for coughs due to "heat excess" in lungs (dark thick yellow phlegm is a symptom), for difficult respiration, chronic burping, nausea, vomiting.  Dose range of the dry leaves: 10-15 grams.



-RJO

    kpb wrote in message <692j37$fbs$1@news.iag.net>...

    I have a loquat tree and am wondering what its medicinal properties are and how I can take advantage of same.

    

    -- 

    K.  :-)

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To: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Subject: Re: Loquat properties

From: infomayn <infomayn@sover.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:38:45 -0500

--------

Richard, how long and how many doses per, day or whatever period of

time?  How would you prepare the leaves for ingestion or however they

are to be administered?  How often and for how long would you need to

use the preparation?  How can I find resources on Chinese medicinal

herbs and other forms of Chinese medicine?



Thanks   :-}





Richard J. Ogden wrote:



>  Don't know if you ever got a reply.  Loquat (Eriobotrya Japonica)

> leaves are used in Chinese herbal medicine as an antitussive

> expectorant and antiemetic.  Used for coughs due to "heat excess" in

> lungs (dark thick yellow phlegm is a symptom), for difficult

> respiration, chronic burping, nausea, vomiting.  Dose range of the dry

> leaves: 10-15 grams. -RJO

>

>      kpb wrote in message <692j37$fbs$1@news.iag.net>...I have a

>      loquat tree and am wondering what its medicinal properties

>      are and how I can take advantage of same.

>

>      --

>      K.  :-)

>









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Subject: peppermint

From: rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 14:22:35 GMT

--------

I have been taking  peppermint tea before I go to bed for 4years now .every

time I wake up in the morning I always feel alert and literally jump out of

bed.I have at times not taken the tea before bedtime and have not had the same

effect.

Has anyone had he same experience and can someone tell me why this is so.Also

are there any other herbs that has the same effect ?





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Subject: Re: peppermint

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:53:08 -0500

--------

peppermint is aromatic,calmative, antiseptic, anti-spasmodic,

anti-inflammation, and is also a stimulant.

It can be used in a number of ways for a variety of complaints including

gastro-intestinal disorders where anti spasmodic,

anti-flatulent, and appetite-promoting stimulation is required.

It is particularly useful for nervous headaches, and as a way to increase

concentration.





--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

RBlake8590 wrote in message

<19980108142201.JAA20774@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>I have been taking  peppermint tea before I go to bed for 4years now .every

>time I wake up in the morning I always feel alert and literally jump out of

>bed.I have at times not taken the tea before bedtime and have not had the

same

>effect.

>Has anyone had he same experience and can someone tell me why this is

so.Also

>are there any other herbs that has the same effect ?







==========

Subject: Re: peppermint

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:38:17 GMT

--------

rblake8590@aol.com (RBlake8590) wrote:



>I have been taking  peppermint tea before I go to bed for 4years now .every

>time I wake up in the morning I always feel alert and literally jump out of

>bed.I have at times not taken the tea before bedtime and have not had the same

>effect.



Peppermint, and an extremely long list of other herbs, are beneficial

to healthful sleeping.



Unfortunately, most people think in allopathic terms and want to use

herbs as drugs (and not as a food for the body). For sleep they want

herbs which will "drug" them to into submission. Hence the popularity

of valerian.



Peppermint, on the other hand, is a stimulant. Herbs which are

stimulating strengthen the body's functions: strong heartbeat, better

blood flow, increased immune responce, etc. (Note: allopathic

stimulants quicken the heart; wholistic stimulants strengthen the

heart).



During sleep the body goes through repair and reorganizing activities.

Although a person may sleep at night, the inner-body is quite active.

Peppermint tea before bed effectively increases the confidence of the

body by supporting and encouraging nocturnal bodily function,

resulting in a more relaxed and restful sleep.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Subject: herbs during pregnancy?

From: schmitt100@aol.com (Schmitt100)

Date: 8 Jan 1998 18:18:10 GMT

--------

I have a friend who is pregnant and usually takes much in the way of

vitamins/herbs. She is concerned about what she can/should take with the

pregnancy. Are there any books out there that speak to this sort of issue? I

seem to remember Susan Weed having something of the sort, but haven't been able

to find the book yet.



Thanks for your help



Rebecca





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Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:28:11 -0600

--------

Schmitt100 wrote:

> 

> I have a friend who is pregnant and usually takes much in the way of

> vitamins/herbs. She is concerned about what she can/should take with 

> the pregnancy. Are there any books out there that speak to this sort 

> of issue? I seem to remember Susan Weed having something of the sort, 

> but haven't been able to find the book yet.



Susun S. Weed, _Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year,_ Ash Tree

Publishing, Woodstock, New York 1986.  Phone/fax 914/246-8081.

ISBN 0-9614620-0-0 paperback

ISBN 0-9614620-1-9 hardbound

LCCN 85-71064

Originally published by Informed Homebirth, Boulder CO.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy?

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:33:18 -0500

--------

Hi Rebecca,



The following book will help your pregnant friend to know what herbs she

must stay away from during pregnancy:



"Herbs for the home "

By:Jekka McVicar

ISBN 0-670-86352-1



Good luck,

--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

Schmitt100 wrote in message

<19980108181800.NAA13871@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I have a friend who is pregnant and usually takes much in the way of

>vitamins/herbs. She is concerned about what she can/should take with the

>pregnancy. Are there any books out there that speak to this sort of issue?

I

>seem to remember Susan Weed having something of the sort, but haven't been

able

>to find the book yet.

>

>Thanks for your help

>

>Rebecca







==========

Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy?

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 11 Jan 98 01:34:48 GMT

--------

Schmitt100 (schmitt100@aol.com) said something like....

: I have a friend who is pregnant and usually takes much in the way of

: vitamins/herbs. She is concerned about what she can/should take with the

: pregnancy. Are there any books out there that speak to this sort of issue? I

: seem to remember Susan Weed having something of the sort, but haven't 

been able to find the book yet.



	Many many books, check the section in your local Bread&Circus or 

similar whole-foods market or new-age type bookstore.

The classic pregnancy herb, of course, is raspberry leaf; the books I 

have (The Herb Book, by John Lust, and The New Age Herbalist, to name a 

few) recommend a mug a day for the duration. Things I've heard to avoid 

(besides the obvious pennyroyal!) include echinacea and ephedra.

Good luck to your friend..



						-J-







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Subject: Re: herbs during pregnancy?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 18:19:02 GMT

--------

In article <34b821b8.0@oit.umass.edu>, volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

writes:

<snip>. Are there any books out there that speak to this sort of issue?

>I  seem to remember Susan Weed having something of the sort, but haven't

>been able to find the book yet.



Susun Weed's book is Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year.



The Amerian Herbal Products Association has set a classification for herbs not

to be used during pregnancy (Class 2b). The book that outlines this and other

safety issues is American Herbal Product Association's Botanical Safety

Handbook, which has 500+ botanical entries with safety classifications. About

138 entries are class 2b, although many of these are not commonly used herbs.

The Handbook just came out a few months ago and represents an serious attempt

to cross-reference all the herbal literature to provide a standardization of

classification for herbal product manufacturers. It's also useful as a quick

reference for practitioners, etc.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Herb books, title searches, and answers to odd questions





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Subject: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: Jay & Laurie Brandt <brandtfamily@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:46:40 -0600

--------

I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology in

classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold in

the classification of plants.

Laurie E. W. Brandt





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: leephd@ix.netcom.com (J. Lee Lehman)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:46:10 GMT

--------

On Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:46:40 -0600, Jay & Laurie Brandt

<brandtfamily@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology in

>classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold in

>the classification of plants.



The use of hot/cold and wet/dry extends back to Hippocrates at least.

Plants were not generally classified by gender.  As for the

astrological references, probably Galen is the earliest, although the

early pratcice was to translate the four elements into astrological

equivalencies.





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 19:47:59 GMT

--------

In article <34B51F10.923064C6@sprintmail.com>, Jay & Laurie Brandt

<brandtfamily@sprintmail.com> writes:



>I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology

>in

classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold

>in

the classification of plants.

Laurie E. W. Brandt



It's not the earliest, but a prime example of the astrological classification

of plants is Culpeper's Complete Herbal (17th century). Get an edition with the

original text, rather than one that has been modernized and you should have

most of the European astrological connections to English herbs.  I just picked

up an English translation of Nostradamus' herbal remedies. I'll check to see if

it's got anything more...



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Many herb books, out-of-print searches, and web specials!





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 15:49:01 -0700

--------

healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:



>In article <34B51F10.923064C6@sprintmail.com>, Jay & Laurie Brandt

><brandtfamily@sprintmail.com> writes:

>

>>I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology

>>in classification of plants. 



>It's not the earliest, but a prime example of the astrological classification

>of plants is Culpeper's Complete Herbal (17th century). Get an edition with the

>original text, 



Which is available from Yale Medical School Library:



http://www.med.yale.edu/library/historical/siderits.htm



And very heavy reading ... all that quainte spyllinge giveth me a

hedaik.  

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 18:18:53 GMT

--------

In article <34b9076f.17420672@news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho

Nimh) writes:



>all that quainte spyllinge giveth me a

hedaik.  

Callie



Let me amend that -- see if you can find a modernized spelling edition like

Foulsham's which retains Culpeper's comments on astrology, et al. I'm just very

fond of his side comments on ill-trained physicians, etc., as well as the plant

lore. He does a little 17th century flaming on his contemporaries!



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

herb books, natural medicine and more:

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: Jay & Laurie Brandt <brandtfamily@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:17:22 -0600

--------

What started me looking for this information was the late Scott Cunninghams

works on plants _Magical Herbalism_, _Cunningham's Encyclopedia of Magical

Herbs_ and _Magical House hold_ which has two chapters on plant magic. It was

his lack of information on what made a paticular a plant a  paticual

astrological association or gender. I am very familliar with the theory of

humors. Also I have taken a class on plant taxonomy, (plant ID) which has

senetised me in some respects to a number of issues that were not addressed in

any of his works. 

 I have learned that the ideas of astrological classification came through the

works of the "natural philosphers" like H. C. Agrippa (1486-1535) J. B. Porta

(1535-1614) and the rest the best known being and possibly the last was N.

Culpeper. But this dose not show up in the standard herbals. Such as Gerard

and Parkinson. it would seem that I am looking for the crossover point where

these merged.

Laurie E. W. Brandt



Jay & Laurie Brandt wrote:

> 

> I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology in

> classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold in

> the classification of plants.

> Laurie E. W. Brandt





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Subject: Re: REQ: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 05:38:00 -0700

--------

Jay & Laurie Brandt <brandtfamily@sprintmail.com> wrote:



> I have learned that the ideas of astrological classification came through the

>works of the "natural philosphers" like H. C. Agrippa (1486-1535) J. B. Porta

>(1535-1614) and the rest the best known being and possibly the last was N.

>Culpeper. But this dose not show up in the standard herbals. Such as Gerard

>and Parkinson. it would seem that I am looking for the crossover point where

>these merged.

>Laurie E. W. Brandt



  John Evelyn's "Gard'ner's Almanack" from 1664, mentions the

practice of planting by the phase of the moon as being common.

He also makes fun of it and the astrologers who recommend it ...

so your crossover is possibly his book.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: fingernails

From: "Deborah Harding" <harding6@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:15:20 -0000

--------

During the winter my fingernails become brittle and break easily. They also

have a tendency to split.  Is there anything herbal I can do?



Thanks



Debbie









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To: Deborah Harding <harding6@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: fingernails

From: Marguerite <ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:31:50 -0600

--------

Try rubbing tea tree oil on your nails and cuticles daily.



Marguerite

*****************************************************************************



Deborah Harding wrote:

> 

> During the winter my fingernails become brittle and break easily. They also

> have a tendency to split.  Is there anything herbal I can do?

> 

> Thanks

> 

> Debbie



--





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Subject: Re: fingernails

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:11:24 GMT

--------





EDA4BLIFES wrote:



> >During the winter my fingernails become brittle and break easily. They also

> >have a tendency to split.  Is there anything herbal I can do?



Take Brewer's yeast on a regular basis.  You'll notice an improvement in 2-3

weeks.







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Subject: Aura Goggles Wanted

From: Whitewind <whitemagic@whitemagic.com.au>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 14:20:27 +1100

--------

Greetings,



Does anybody know where I could get a pair of Aura Goggles.

I have been looking for quite some time with no luck.



Any info would be appreciated.



Thankyou in anticipation.



Bright Blessings

Whitewind - Leanne







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Subject: Re: Aura Goggles Wanted

From: "Emry" <emry@goplay.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:20:29 -0000

--------

What are Aura Goggles.  I could guess, but I would probably be wrong.  Or at

least I hope my guess is wrong.  As far as I know there are no efficient

tools to hel see another persons Aura.





Whitewind wrote in message <34B5977A.2D3544A2@whitemagic.com.au>...

>Greetings,

>

>Does anybody know where I could get a pair of Aura Goggles.

>I have been looking for quite some time with no luck.

>

>Any info would be appreciated.

>

>Thankyou in anticipation.

>

>Bright Blessings

>Whitewind - Leanne

>









==========

Subject: Re: Aura Goggles Wanted

From: "Paul M Tompkins BNMA.HON" <shamanic1@clara.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:59:26 -0000

--------

There was a machine that could see the kirlin-field or something like that,

could tell if you were going to have a problem, etc, but it didnt seem to

have caused all the hospitals to buy one, imagine you could pop to the

hospital to get cured before you were sick, not afterwards.



--

Please feel to look at Http://home.clara.net/shamanic1/

Emry wrote in message ...

>What are Aura Goggles.  I could guess, but I would probably be wrong.  Or

at

>least I hope my guess is wrong.  As far as I know there are no efficient

>tools to hel see another persons Aura.

>

>

>Whitewind wrote in message <34B5977A.2D3544A2@whitemagic.com.au>...

>>Greetings,

>>

>>Does anybody know where I could get a pair of Aura Goggles.

>>I have been looking for quite some time with no luck.

>>

>>Any info would be appreciated.

>>

>>Thankyou in anticipation.

>>

>>Bright Blessings

>>Whitewind - Leanne

>>

>

>







==========

Subject: Re: Aura Goggles Wanted

From: Kent & Kat <kdyer@nash.tds.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:10:56 -0600

--------

I've never even heard of them!  Sounds like something

someone came up with to get people to spend money to me! 

What are they?



Kat





==========

Subject: Acidophillus

From: Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 20:33:44 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon







==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 9 Jan 1998 05:14:00 -0700

--------

Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com> wrote:



>Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

>is for a lactose intolerance 

  Doesn't work very well.  Lactose intolerant persons can eat

yogurt without problems because the lactose-eating bacteria have

already converted the lactose into lactic acid.

  If you eat the bacteria, they will popullate your intestines

and do the conversion of lactose to lactic acid there ... with

gas and rumbling.



>and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon

??? I know a low-tech remedy for vaginal yeat infections is a

series of yogurt douches, to re-populate the lactobacillus there,

but taking the tablets doesn't put them where they belong.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: caGe <guz@idt.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:16:36 -0800

--------

How do acidophilus supplements survive past

the acidic realm of the stomach ?





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 11 Jan 98 01:31:18 GMT

--------

Ken and Sharon Grant (grants@sage.ark.com) said something like....

: Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

: is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon

: 



	Dunno about lactose, but I swear by acidophilus and tea tree oil 

for the hellacious yeast infections I get; even by taking the capsules by 

mouth you get the organisms into your system, but popping a capsule up 

into the vagina works even better. This can almost be too much, so I usually 

buy some empty capsules (larger ones work better for me since my eyesight 

ain't that good) and divide the contents of one acidophilus capsule in 

two for a vaginal dosage. It dissolves up there, best to do it just 

before bed, and make sure to have some pantiliners on hand because there 

is some, uh, runoff.

	Tea tree oil works best when you catch the infection right at the 

"warning" stage...a few drops (and i mean a FEW-this stuff is strong.. 

might test it on your inner elbow skin before trying this one and dilute 

the oil if you're really sensitive to it) on a tampon, insert and leave 

in place 4 to 6 hours. I advise a "junior" type, less absorptive size in 

order to minimize risk of TSS. I cured the last really awful one I got in 

three days, with only one day of discomfort. The tea tree oil does burn a 

bit on initial contact with the itching, infected areas, but it passes.



					Hope this is of use



						-J-







==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: "Shaune" <shaune@awod.com>

Date: 12 Jan 1998 04:35:14 GMT

--------

It has helped cut my yeast infections down. (garlic helps too).



Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com> wrote in article

<34B5A8A8.A68012A2@sage.ark.com>...

> Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

> is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: "CHRIS OVERMANN" <sorry@nospam.com>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 17:14:12 GMT

--------

I just did my first Acidophillus treatment for a yeast infection last week.

It only took one direct treatment. Don't know yet how it's going to do long

term. Mine keeps returning with my period. Now I'm pregnant and it really

got bad. It's the most stubborn, persistent infection I've EVER had. 



I've got my fingers crossed that I've seen the last of my yeast infections.



Christy



Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com> wrote in article

<34B5A8A8.A68012A2@sage.ark.com>...

> Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

> is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: rivcara@aol.com (RivCara)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:17:28 GMT

--------



You may want to try Pau D'Arco tea to help with the yeast infection (drink it).

 I've found that it really has helped me with candida related problems



-cara



<<

I just did my first Acidophillus treatment for a yeast infection last week.

It only took one direct treatment. Don't know yet how it's going to do long

term. Mine keeps returning with my period. Now I'm pregnant and it really

got bad. It's the most stubborn, persistent infection I've EVER had. 



I've got my fingers crossed that I've seen the last of my yeast infections.



Christy>>







==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: Margaret.@mailexcite.com

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:23:27 GMT

--------

On 15 Jan 1998 17:14:12 GMT, "CHRIS OVERMANN" <sorry@nospam.com>

wrote:



>I just did my first Acidophillus treatment for a yeast infection last week.

>It only took one direct treatment. 



I too just started taking acidophillus(from apple pectin) to help with

a chronic yeast infection.  I've been taking one tab. before each meal

and have noticed some difference.  You mention *one direct

treatment*...may I ask what that was?!?!

By the way....for those who have problems with yeast infections I've

found a wonderful site which provides alternative treatments, which

I've had great luck.  Here's the link:



http://www.msu.edu/user/eisthen/yeast/yourself.html



M









You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

thing: no one to blame. 

Erica Jong





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:31:42 -0800

--------

Have you tried aloe juice topically for a yeast infection?  I am allergic to

a lot of products, but this works for me.



CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message

<01bd2109$25d6d360$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>I just did my first Acidophillus treatment for a yeast infection last week.

>It only took one direct treatment. Don't know yet how it's going to do long

>term. Mine keeps returning with my period. Now I'm pregnant and it really

>got bad. It's the most stubborn, persistent infection I've EVER had.

>

>I've got my fingers crossed that I've seen the last of my yeast infections.

>

>Christy

>

>Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com> wrote in article

><34B5A8A8.A68012A2@sage.ark.com>...

>> Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking Acidophillus

>> is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?   -Sharon

>>

>>









==========

To: Evelyn Rainey <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: "Wendy J. Beible" <wendy@redrose.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:38:02 -0500

--------

I am not pregnant but going through menopause and keep getting yeast

infections.  I have tried all the over-the-counter medicines plus I have

tried the prescription pills that are fairly new on the market.  It

seems that it keeps reappearing.  In my opinion, the over-the-counter

medicines (Monistat, Femstat, etc) are nothing but a waste of mega

money.  Years ago when they were by prescription only the cost was very

little so now they hiked up the cost three-fold, made them

over-the-counter and the quality of the product is way down.  Any

suggestions from anyone?



Wendy



Evelyn Rainey wrote:



> Have you tried aloe juice topically for a yeast infection?  I am

> allergic to

> a lot of products, but this works for me.

>

> CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message

> <01bd2109$25d6d360$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

> >I just did my first Acidophillus treatment for a yeast infection last

> week.

> >It only took one direct treatment. Don't know yet how it's going to

> do long

> >term. Mine keeps returning with my period. Now I'm pregnant and it

> really

> >got bad. It's the most stubborn, persistent infection I've EVER had.

> >

> >I've got my fingers crossed that I've seen the last of my yeast

> infections.

> >

> >Christy

> >

> >Ken and Sharon Grant <grants@sage.ark.com> wrote in article

> ><34B5A8A8.A68012A2@sage.ark.com>...

> >> Does anyone have any information as to how effective taking

> Acidophillus

> >> is for a lactose intolerance and/or chronic yeast infections?

> -Sharon

> >>

> >>











==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:15:31 -0600

--------

Change your pH.  Granted, as a general rule of thumb douching on any

kind of a regular basis is a bad idea.  Save it for actual 'course of

treatment' situations and it should be ok.  I'm a little leery of the

acidophilus idea - seems you're simply replacing organisms at best and

feeding the bad ones at worst.  Have you tried good old lemon juice or

vinegar?  You could also do course of megadose Vitamin C and acidify

your entire system.  [Megadose being a gram tablet every hour or every

other hour for 3-4 days - pregnant womyn should not go this route.]



As I go to sign off, I remember something I keep believing should not

need explaining...  *Wipe front to back.*  [I'm actively campaigning

that war with my 5-year-old at present.]



-Kyra



Wendy J. Beible wrote:

> 

> I am not pregnant but going through menopause and keep getting yeast

> infections.  I have tried all the over-the-counter medicines plus I 

> have tried the prescription pills that are fairly new on the market.  

> It seems that it keeps reappearing.  In my opinion, the 

> over-the-counter medicines (Monistat, Femstat, etc) are nothing but 

> a waste of mega money.  Years ago when they were by prescription 

> only the cost was very little so now they hiked up the cost 

> three-fold, made them over-the-counter and the quality of the 

> product is way down.  Any suggestions from anyone?

> 

> Wendy

>





==========

Subject: Re: Acidophillus

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:50:17 -0800

--------

Hello, Wendy,

    I had the yeast infection years ago until someone said that a douche

with plain yogurt mixed with warm water would restore the natural balance. I

use it, and it worked right away.

        Anyone else know about this cure for vaginal yeast infection? I

thought that by now it would be common knowledge.





Wendy J. Beible wrote in message <34CF5EE9.1B4E5D49@redrose.net>...

>I am not pregnant but going through menopause and keep getting yeast

>infections.









==========

Subject: Re: renal failure herbs DANGER!!!!!

From: Ron Knorr <rknorr@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 23:46:35 -0500

--------

Please do not try anything without your physican's approval.



If you are in chronic renal failure, you have little kidney function to

play with - and many herbs - including nettle - are toxic to the kidney,

especially if not prepared correctly.



If you are in acute renal failure, dialysis or transplant are likely

your only choices.



Good Luck



Ron





==========

Subject: glandular therapy

From: Judy or Andrew <critterz@concentric.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:55:59 -0600

--------

I'm looking for information regarding glandular therapy.  It's

effectiveness, specifically for chronic renal failure.



Any help is appreciated!  Thank-you.





==========

To: bjornson@nh.ultranet.com, bettyt@dave-world.net

Subject: My BURSITIS is GONE 

From: Glenn <glenn@ais.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:50:02 GMT

--------

Maybe Here's Some Help For You



After suffering the pain of bursitis and limited motion in my shoulder

for more than a year, after receiving three steroid injections, after

months of non-beneficial stretching therapy, I had almost begun to

accept that I'd lost the full use of my right arm. Then, I was in

Border's bookstore and glanced upon a current book titled "Miracle

Cures". With a title like that, of course I was immediately skeptical

and passed it by. But something told me to go back to that book. I did

and found inside a few sentences about bursitis. In so many words it

said for bursitis, a nutrient named "glucosamine sulfate" is an

effective treatment.



I stood there and wrote the name and went directly to the health food

store. I purchased glucosamine sulfate 500mg in a 30 capsule bottle for

about seven bucks. The brand was Synergy Plus but that's probably not

important. Anyway, after taking the nutrient one capsule per day for

seven days I was suddenly relieved.  I noticed at first that I could

extend my right arm and felt no pain. Then, I hurriedly thrust that same

arm into the air straight up above my head and was elated to find it

would extend full length, matching the full length of my left arm. I

have since felt no pain and enjoy full range of motion.



That progress is the reason I feel confident telling others about my

experience with glucosamine sulfate.



Glenn



Glenn Alexander

glennalex@earthlink.net



-----

Gifted we are to be here when all seems possible.





==========

Subject: Ocimum Sanctum Leaf Powder

From: hakomione@aol.com (HakomiOne)

Date: 9 Jan 1998 17:03:35 GMT

--------

Has anybody heard of this?  I'd like to know a whole lot more about it.  I have

a blurb about it, but it doesn't say much.  I could use some help finding out

about it.  

Thanks,

Ron Kurtz (Hakomione@aol.com)







==========

Subject: Re: Ocimum Sanctum Leaf Powder

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 19:13:56 -0600

--------

HakomiOne wrote:

> 

> Has anybody heard of this?  I'd like to know a whole lot more about 

> it.  I have a blurb about it, but it doesn't say much.  I could use 

> some help finding out about it.

> Thanks,

> Ron Kurtz (Hakomione@aol.com)



Ocimum sanctum ... Holy Basil?  Great stuff, culinary, aromatherapy,

sundry magickal uses, just about impossible to overdose on it to my

knowledge - don't let whoever is blurbing it overcharge you for

something you can get in the culinary bins at the health food store. 

[Or grow your own.]



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:28:23 GMT

--------



Jay & Laurie Brandt wrote in message <34B51F10.923064C6@sprintmail.com>...

>I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology

in

>classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold in

>the classification of plants.

>Laurie E. W. Brandt



Scott Cunningham's "Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs" (or something very close)

has excellent folklore, and gender/planetary/Hermetic elemental associations

for each herb.  It can be found in the new age section of most bookstores,

or ordered from www.llewwllyn.com or www.amazon.com .  I don't know if he

has information on the early use of astrology in classification, but it'd

probably be a good starting point...



Hope it helps!



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: references to early uses of Astrology in classification of plants

From: seasons (seasons)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:09:32 GMT

--------

Nicholas Culpeper's Herbal is also a good source for astrological

associations. There's a modern edition that gives both the uses from

Culpeper's time and modern herbal usage.

"Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>

>Jay & Laurie Brandt wrote in message <34B51F10.923064C6@sprintmail.com>...

>>I am looking for the earlist reference I can find to the use of Astrology

>in

>>classification of plants. Also the use of gender male/female or hot/cold in

>>the classification of plants.

>>Laurie E. W. Brandt

>

>Scott Cunningham's "Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs" (or something very close)

>has excellent folklore, and gender/planetary/Hermetic elemental associations

>for each herb.  It can be found in the new age section of most bookstores,

>or ordered from www.llewwllyn.com or www.amazon.com .  I don't know if he

>has information on the early use of astrology in classification, but it'd

>probably be a good starting point...

>

>Hope it helps!

>

>Beth

>

>







==========

Subject: Digestion formula recipe

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 17:55:59 GMT

--------



A recipe from my web page, http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



Numbers in () denote parts in the mixture, e.g. 4 parts fennel 

seeds to 1 part crampbark.  All ingredients are either 

purchased as or ground to a fine powder.  Check herb shops, 

catalogs, or web pages to find the herbs and mix them 

yourself.  I do not sell them commercially.



======================= Tum-Eze ==========================



Slippery elm bark (4)



Fennel seeds (4)



Dandelion root (2)



Ginger (2)



Crampbark (1)



Oregon grape root (1)



Coriander (1)



Turmeric (1)



Wild yam root (1)



Cinnamon (1)



Optional: 



Ecologic Formula's Reagent Quality Trisalts (1)

(bicarbonates and carbonates of magnesium, calcium, and

potassium).



Peppermint leaves (1 - 2)



===========================================================



This formula helps alleviate almost any digestive disturbance, 

whether it is indigestion, acid reflux, cramping, diarrhea, 

mild constipation, nausea, etc.  It should be taken with water.



After mixing, the herbs can be put into capsules, made into 

tea, mixed with a bit of honey and/or water and eaten, or made 

into chewable tablets.  Although a bit bitter (from the grape 

root and crampbark) and spicy hot (from the ginger, cinnamon, 

and coriander), it is palatable.  Dose is 2-4 capsules or more 

as desired, or a teaspoon eaten or in tea, more or less as 

desired.



Made into tea without tea bags, the slippery elm is a bit 

distasteful as it becomes mucilage, but it is not too bad.  If 

in tea bags, though, one does not get the benefit of consuming 

the mucilage.  For best results, do not use a tea bag, leave 

the powder in, and drink/eat it if making a tea.



Peppermint leaves can be added for flavor (although it tastes 

pretty good already), but should NOT be if the formula will 

often be used for acid indigestion (reflux).



Although Tum-Eze is excellent to quell acid indigestion as is, 

the optional Trisalts combination powder can be added to 

increase the action.  It will detract from the flavor of a tea, 

however.



It excels at alleviating and preventing cramping and 

indigestion (knots in the stomach) and this is the reason for 

which I originally designed the formula.  It will give one a 

pleasant, warm feeling in the stomach in a very short time. It 

is especially good to be taken when using vitamin C, zinc, or 

other potentially gut-wrenching supplements.  It also improves 

digestion from large meals.



Although a blend with stronger antibacterial and antiparasitic 

action should be used for chronic disorders like IBS and 

Crohn's, Tum-Eze can greatly alleviate symptoms and may even be 

therapeutic if enough is taken.



Dandelion root is a diuretic, and will cause increased 

urination if taken in large enough amounts.  Plenty of water 

should be drunk.  Even though dandelion root is among the 

safest of diuretics since it is rich in potassium, salt 

(sodium) should NOT be completely avoided and potassium-and-

other-mineral-rich foods should be eaten if taking Tum-Eze

long term.













==========

Subject: ADVICE requested for VERY active 6 YO.

From: "Mike Freeland" <michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:37:14 GMT

--------

As a family, we eat a fairly healthful diet that excludes the typical

sweets and treats, soda pop, chips, candy bars, and most other junk "food".

 While we try to be totally junk food free, the holidays represent a

particularly challenging time in this regard.

When we do eat sweets, our 6 year old has a very noticeable reaction

consisting of increased activity, bordering on obnoxious.  I'm not sure if

she would meet the clinical definition of "hyperactive", but she gets

pretty darned busy!

The obvious solution is to avoid all substances that bring out the unwanted

behavior.  We'd like an alternative to total denial of sweets as part of

the pleasure of the holiday season is in making, and eating, those

traditional goodies.

We are wondering if there is something missing in her diet, or some

supplement we can give her, to help her body assimilate the sugar, so we

don't end up with an over active child for the next several days.  It can

take up to four days for her to get back to a reasonable activity level.

Refined sugar, including molasses seem to affect her the most.



Any suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 

Mike Freeland

Michael.e.freeland@ROUNDFILE.boeing.com

Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

Sorry for the inconvenience.





==========

Subject: Re: ADVICE requested for VERY active 6 YO.

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:51:03 -0500

--------

Michael,



Go up to the 1st page ( I think) of this list.. and look at my posting

in response to a plea for help with ADD/ADHD... 



read my posting and come back to me... I am already in the process of

helping that person... I would love to help you too!

'

David.





==========

Subject: Uses of cacti

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:27:28 GMT

--------

Greetings:



I am a writer researching the medicinal and culinary uses of cacti in 

the U.S. I know about the benefits of nopales (prickly pear) in treating 

diabetes, but I'd like to know if there are other uses for that and 

other cacti. Recipes, anecdotes, folklore, references, websites, all 

appreciated.



Thanks,



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Herabs that help blood circulation to the head

From: sang@tibco.com

Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 15:33:19 -0600

--------

Hi,



I need herbs that help me to relax my neck muscles due to stress,

as I was told.  Also are there herbs that help to improve blood

circulation to the brain.



I have been doing exercises, too.



Thanks for any tips.



Regards,





Sang.



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      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: Herabs that help blood circulation to the head

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:58:52 -0500

--------

Hi Sang,



The following herbs might help you:



CHERVIL:

Leaves eaten raw are rich in Vitamin C, carotene, iron, and magnesium. They

may be infused to make a tea to stimulate digestion and alleviate

circulation disorders.



SORREL:

Is considered to have blood-cleansing and blood improving qualities in a

similar way to spinach, which improve the hemoglobin content of the blood

and alleviate blood circulation disorders.



good luck,





--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

sang@tibco.com wrote in message <884380930.963444744@dejanews.com>...

>Hi,

>

>I need herbs that help me to relax my neck muscles due to stress,

>as I was told.  Also are there herbs that help to improve blood

>circulation to the brain.

>

>I have been doing exercises, too.

>

>Thanks for any tips.

>

>Regards,

>

>

>Sang.

>

>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

>      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet







==========

Subject: Ayurvedic herbs

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 9 Jan 1998 14:43:01 -0700

--------

Anyone know of a source for economical Ayurvedic herbs or Chinese

herbs/patent meds.? 







==========

Subject: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:22:02 -0500

--------

I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right that I am the

same.  I read somewhere that a baking soda douche will  help my chances

of having a boy. Is there any truth to this?  Anybody ever try it?





==========

Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 07:41:00 -0700

--------

MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:

>I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

>3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

>her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right 

    He's wrong.  Sperm are what determine the sex of the child

(y-chromosome carrying sperm produce a boy, X-carrying sperm a

girl)  A woman produces eggs that have X-chromosomes only.

    The X and Y sperms have equal chances (actually there is a

slight advantage to the Y ... 106 boys are born to every 100

girls, but it's not a big thing)



   There is a VERY RARE genetic condition where the female

fetuses are really female, but the boy fetuses never develop

"maleness" ... they are female in appearance and anatomy.  The

ovaries never develop properly in the false females, but the rest

of the female characteristics are there.  Some of these families

have been traced back 5 or more generations: almost no boys are

born.

   Those persons I have seen with this condition were all quite

"feminine",  just sterile.  It is usually diagnosed when the

woman comes into an infertility clinic for testing.

   And if you are wondering how we dealt with it, you don't say

to the woman "the reason you can't get pregnant is because you

are really a man".  You tell them that they "have an inherited

genetic defect that makes it impossible for them to produce ova

or carry a pregnancy to term" and recommend adoption.



  Could you have this?  I seriously doubt it.



>same.  I read somewhere that a baking soda douche will  help my chances

>of having a boy. Is there any truth to this?  Anybody ever try it?

  No truth, and if you get solution too strong, all the sperms

will become immobile.

  There's one way to guarantee a boy: adopt one.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:20:23 GMT

--------

On 10 Jan 1998 07:41:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:

>>I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

>>3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

>>her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right 

>    He's wrong.  Sperm are what determine the sex of the child

>(y-chromosome carrying sperm produce a boy, X-carrying sperm a

>girl)  A woman produces eggs that have X-chromosomes only.

>    The X and Y sperms have equal chances (actually there is a

>slight advantage to the Y ... 106 boys are born to every 100

>girls, but it's not a big thing)

>

Sex can be determined by pH. It is particularly common in fishes. Of

course it's less likely in humans because the sperm doesn't have a

stage when it has swim through "open" water to get at the egg.

However, I don't think we can totally discount the possibility that

the internal pH can be responsible for a slight degree of sex

determination.

-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:38:12 GMT

--------

steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk wrote:



>On 10 Jan 1998 07:41:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

>wrote:



>>MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:

>>>I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

>>>3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

>>>her body she would only have girls.



>>    He's wrong.  Sperm are what determine the sex of the child...

>>    The X and Y sperms have equal chances (actually there is a

>>slight advantage to the Y ... 106 boys are born to every 100

>>girls, but it's not a big thing)

>>

>Sex can be determined by pH. It is particularly common in fishes.



The contradiction in medico thinking (50-50 chance but males more

likely) implies that there are factors which impact sex; however, we

don't know enough to screw with these things using such arbitrary

treatments as baking soda.



I know a family with twelve kids -- all boys. Finally, out of

desperation they adopted a girl. One simply knew that another natural

child would have been a boy.



I would not define a familial predilection for males to be a medical

condition requiring treatment.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 16:53:27 GMT

--------



> He's wrong.  Sperm are what determine the sex of the child...

>>>    The X and Y sperms have equal chances (actually there is a

>>>slight advantage to the Y ... 106 boys are born to every 100

>>>girls, but it's not a big thing)



If the males produce the sperm, why is my statement wrong? I will agree to the

statement was vague.

There have been studies which suggest that if males wear tight fitting under

garments more male sperms die off in the Scrotum, giving  the advantage of

producing a female child.

Weather the child born is male or female just make sure of one thing..... love

this child!!!! He/she is something that you created, Gods given gift. Many

people in the world don't khave this gift!

Kerry





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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: Trish <ackland@sfu.ca>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:02:07 -0800

--------



Actually there is a relation between the alkalinity/acidity of

the vaginal fluids and the ability of sperm to survive in

that environment.  So, while the male does determine the

sex, the female's vaginal environment determine whether the

sperm will survive or not.  There has been some limited

research about methods used to help determine the sex

through changing the vaginal environment.







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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:46:52 -0600

--------







> MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:



> >I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

> >3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

> >her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right same.  I 

> >read somewhere that a baking soda douche will  help my chances

> >of having a boy. Is there any truth to this?  Anybody ever try it?

    

> He's wrong.  Sperm are what determine the sex of the 

> child > (y-chromosome carrying sperm produce a boy, X-carrying sperm a

> girl)  A woman produces eggs that have X-chromosomes only.

>     The X and Y sperms have equal chances (actually there is a

> slight advantage to the Y ... 106 boys are born to every 100

> girls, but it's not a big thing)

> 



Sorry, Callie, in this instance you are wrong-sorta. There is more than 

ancedotal evidence that sperm carrying the X chromosome live longer in an 

acid environment while those with Y last longer in a more alkaline. So, 

they don't have equal chances especially with a female with "high 

acidity"  (part of me knows there is a word for this...but it is Monday) 



It is possible to increase the chances of having a boy by following a low 

acid diet and using a mild baking soda douche within an hour of having 

sex. The numbers aren't great...but they are there. 



Also, a female whose maternal side has a history of "high acidity" will 

most likely conceive a female - and tho the chances of baking soda and 

diet helping to concieve a male are slim - it sure couldn't hoit.



You are, however, right about getting too stong a solution of baking soda 

- and that the only 100% sure way is to adopt...and of course about it 

being the sperm that determines sex.



My 2p

Cissy







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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: "George Dunham" <gmdunham@ds.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:53:08 -0500

--------

My son trains and runs marathons.  He read that the amount of stress that

the father has before conception can have an affect on the sex of the child.

He had not run very much before his son was conceived and had run several

miles the week before his daughter was conceived.



George Dunham













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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 22:54:52 GMT

--------

>I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

>3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

>her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right that I am the

>same.  I read somewhere that a baking soda douche will  help my chances

>of having a boy. Is there any truth to this?  Anybody ever try it?

>

>

Sit down people. Time for some A&P

and sex ed. The sex of a child is determined by the male. The female sperms

head has more acidity then the males sperm head. This acidity allows the sperm

to burrow thru the thick mucus that covers the cervix at the the mouth of the

vagina. The female sperm also has a longer and stronger tail then the male

sperm, but there are usually more male sperms upon ejaculation. It is true that

if you are trying  for a male child both of the parties involved should lower

the acidity (Increase the ph level) of their bodies. Once the sperm pass thru

the cervix it's now 50/50 on which tube they will travel to reach the egg and

fertalize it.



I would not douche with baking soda!!!! Plain white yougurt is best. While at

the same time of lowering acidity( increase of ph) it will also kill harmful

bacteria,( which causes a decrease in  the ph in the vagina). 



Normal ph of the body is about 7.0. Use a test strip of the vaginal secreations

to test level



If during the heat of passion for the purpose of concieving a child and oral

sex by male is involved, if the secreations taste bitter, chances are the

vagina has a high leval of acidity... better chance of concieving a female.

Hope this helps all concernedl

Kerry

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Question on acidity & determinig sex of unborn

From: telus <telus@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:08:50 -0700

--------

This is really a matter of chance. However, there seems to be a relationship

between the acidity of vaginal fluid and the amount of meat you eat. The

more the meat (especially red meat) you consume, the more acidic it is. Some

studies show that the Y sperms seems to be slow in acidic environment. The

soda method may work just like the diet one. Only chance will determine if

you will have a boy or girl. On the other hand, your cervix actually move

and dip into the sperm pool during orgasm. One can assume it may suck up

some sperm too. How are we going to change the acidity inside the uterus?

Good luck.

telus



Marion wrote:



> I have 3 children - all girls, my mother had 4 girls, and my sister had

> 3 girls. My mother's doctor told her that because of the high acidity in

> her body she would only have girls. I assume if he's right that I am the

> same.  I read somewhere that a baking soda douche will  help my chances

> of having a boy. Is there any truth to this?  Anybody ever try it?











==========

Subject: Any tips on varicose veins?

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:21 -0500

--------

Are there any herbs that will help them disappear?





==========

Subject: Re: Any tips on varicose veins?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:24:49 -0900

--------

Common causes: Low-fiber, meat and dairy based diet with too many refined foods, Vitamin E, C, and A deficiency; essential fatty acid deficiency; constipation and straining; pressure on the veins from excess weight or pregnancy; weakness of vascular walls due to weak connective tissue; poor posture and circulation; liver malfunction; long periods of standing or heavy lifting; damage to veins from inflammation and blood clots in the vein.

From "Alternative Medicine--the Definitive Guide"--

"Ideally, start with a bowel cleanse program or at least a few days on just fruits, vegetables and  whole grains with lots of filtered water to start cleansing the system"

I recommend a Detoxification diet while fasting and distilled water.

"Whole foods diet with emphasis on the following foods: fresh fruits, including berries and cherries, and citrus fruit making sure to nibble on the inside of the rinds (organic is best when doing this), whole grains especially buckwheat (whole grain and noodles) and millet, garlic, onions, ginger, and cayenne pepper. Eat plenty of fish and cut down on red meat as much as possible. Moderately restrict fats and refined carbohydrates in diet. 

Foods to avoid: sugar, salt, alcohol, fried foods, processed and refined foods, animal protein, cheeses (goat is okay), and ice cream."

Nutritional Therapy: 

Rutin: 1 gram per day for up to one year.

Bioflavonoids: 1 gram daily for same time.

Some people may have to stay on Rutin and Bioflavonoids permanently as their metabolism requires these to prevent recurrence.

Vitamin C: take throughout the day every several hours.

Vitamin B complex, Vitamin B6: 30 to 100 mg. daily for several months.

Vitamin E: 400 IU.

Zinc: 30 mg. daily

Apply a mix of 1/4 teaspoon vitamin E oil and 2 TBS. liquid lecithin. (The feet and legs will tingle and feel hot as if thawing out.)

Herbs: Combine equal parts of the tinctures of hawthorn, ginkgo, prickly ash, and yarrow and take 1 teaspoonful three times a day. A lotion for external use can be made with 10 parts distilled witch hazel and 1 part tincture of horse chestnut. Apply often to relieve discomfort.

Walk every day, and swim as much as possible, for the best leg exercises. Elevate the legs when possible. Massage feet and legs every morning and night with diluted myrrh oil. Go barefoot, or wear flat sandals. Walk in the ocean whenever possible for strengthening sea minerals. Walk in the early morning dewy grass. Do not use high knee hosiery. The elastic band at the top impedes circulation.



Hope that helps. 

Kay





-- 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Marion wrote in message <696t3p$c2c$1@newsd-161.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Are there any herbs that will help them disappear?







==========

Subject: Re: Any tips on varicose veins?

From: krhaze@aol.com (KRHaze)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 00:20:56 GMT

--------

>Are there any herbs that will help them disappear?

>

>



Marion,

You can try these essential oils mixed with about 2 oz. of apricot  or almond

oil as a base:

15 drops of cypress essential oil

5 drops of lavender essential oil

5 drops of bergamot essential oil

5 drops of geranium essential oil



Lightly massage the areas in an upward fashion (towards the heart).  Can be

used on a daily basis. This will help improve blood flow to the areas. If you

can't get but only one essential oil, go for the cypress. Cypress is the best

for this condition. But do not use any of these essential oils without diluting

them first!



Hope this helps!

Ken

http://bounce.to/krahze/





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Subject: Sweating in the winter?

From: sabisabi@webtv.net (heather)

Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:30:00 -0500

--------

For some strange reason, I do not perspire in the summer; but I perspire

tremendously in the Winter. I also don't get cold, & can't tolerate

heat.  Does anybody have any idea what could cause this?





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Subject: Re: Sweating in the winter?

From: ssilver567@aol.com (SSilver567)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 09:00:22 GMT

--------

Would advise u to see your doc.



I am 50yr olde F who had similar symptoms.  Turned out to be thyroid tumor. 

Before the surgery i had thyroiditis.  After surgery, i went to HI which really

fried my butt - doctors told me it would take a yr post-surg for thyroid to

regulate.



First physician i saw thought it was nothing but menopause till i grew a tumor

the size of a melon.





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Subject: Re: Aura Goggles availlable from France

From: "horizons50" <horizons50@wanadoo.fr>

Date: 10 Jan 1998 14:03:04 GMT

--------



I tis easy to wok on aura goggles 

I am specialist in France You must use special behaviour and it is very

easy with some training

pls call to paope@aol.com

> 

> 





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Subject: John Christopher Question

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 10 Jan 1998 19:48:01 GMT

--------

Does anyone have that long, long post labeled HERB HOAX -- I don't want the

whole thing (please no!), but I'd like the section on John Christopher being

deported.



I was doing a follow-up interview with a staff member of Christopher's school

for a book that I wrote, and he wanted a copy of that statement to add to their

collection of folklore about Christopher (BTW, he'd never heard anything that

would substantiate any part of that statement, but he'd heard a lot of strange

misinformation over the years...)



Thanks again,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

CAREER & EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

Due out April 1998 from Prima Publishing, Rocklin, CA

(the author's original title: NATURAL MEDICINE SCHOOLS & CAREERS)





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Subject: Migranes

From: "Kate L. Pickle" <tigger@edgenet.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:03:24 -0500

--------

I suffer from migraines and am looking for a more natural and effective

way of relieving them.  If anyone has some advice, I could greatly

appreciate it.  Thanks!







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Subject: Re: Migranes

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:08:34 -0500

--------

Hi Kate,



Feverfew is the best well known herb to reduce migraines, and also relief

arthritis pain. Just eat only 3 fresh leaves between a slice of bread or mix

them with salad every day for a few weeks ( leaves are very bitter, but the

result is great ).



good luck,





--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

Kate L. Pickle wrote in message <34B7D40B.4DAAA232@edgenet.net>...

>I suffer from migraines and am looking for a more natural and effective

>way of relieving them.  If anyone has some advice, I could greatly

>appreciate it.  Thanks!

>







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Subject: Just started taking herbs and suffering!

From: <.>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:35:13 -0700

--------

I know that I probably did too much too soon.  Though I am not sure.  I

started taking St. John's wort, (3/day), Ginko biloba, (3/day) a "combo"

pill that has: Astragalus, shiitake mushrooms, Echinacea, Ligustrum,

Schizandra, Young Barley Leaves, and Pau d'Arco.  This last combo pill I

just started taking yesterday so I don't think that has anything to do with

it.



I HAVE HEADACHES, (so does my wife, she began taking them with me).  They

are not killing me but they do hurt.  I have heard that this may be caused

by the Ginko improving circulation.  I don't know.  Will it go away?  Do

these herbs detoxify you at all and could that explain it?



On the good side, the St. John's wort is making a noticeable improvement!  I

am slightly less hungary, and my wife and I haven't had an argument since we

began a week ago!  (this is no small feat let me add)  I know it takes from

2-6 weeks for the seretonin to build up but maybe it is working a bit early

on me.  In fact, I took Zoloft about 2 years ago and I think this works

better.  I know it sounds crazy or like some kind of conformation bias.

Also, I am looking for a good distributor who will give me what I pay for

and not rip me off!



Thanks for listening!









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Subject: Re: Just started taking herbs and suffering!

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 00:59:07 GMT

--------

In article <34b8042f.0@news9.kcdata.com>, <.> writes:



>I HAVE HEADACHES, (so does my wife, she began taking them with me).  They

are

>not killing me but they do hurt.  I have heard that this may be caused

by the

>Ginko improving circulation



It can also be an allergic reaction or a sign that you're taking too much. You

might try backing off these for awhile, or cutting down to one or two things at

a time rather than taking the buckshot approach.





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Subject: Re: Just started taking herbs and suffering!

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:43:27 -0600

--------

I would definitely just take one a day to see what your system can

handle. Everybody has different sensitivities.   Mark   





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Subject: Ginko Biloba comments

From: "T.Fairbrother" <lightwizrd@mind-spring dot com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:45:23 -0500

--------

Hello,

I'm curious to hear some comments on Ginkgo Biloba and how its working for

people, there seem to be a lot of different products on the market and I'm

wondering if its better to purchase a product like Ginkoba etc. or simply get

the herb itself (in capsule form), also what other herbs can be taken which

will compliment it, I see it often combined with ginseng or bilberry. Also

thanks to all that post here... I'm learning a lot !



-Tracy-



**Email address altered to avoid spam!**









==========

Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba comments

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 02:31:24 GMT

--------

T.Fairbrother (lightwizrd@mind-springdotcom) wrote:

:Hello,

:I'm curious to hear some comments on Ginkgo Biloba and how its working for

:people, there seem to be a lot of different products on the market and I'm

:wondering if its better to purchase a product like Ginkoba etc. or simply get

:the herb itself (in capsule form), also what other herbs can be taken which

:will compliment it, I see it often combined with ginseng or bilberry. Also

:thanks to all that post here... I'm learning a lot !

:



The main difference between raw herbs and standardized ones is that between

batches, the raw herbs may have different potency and quality.



I buy Ginkgo in powder form.  The store I go to once in a while runs out and

acquires another batch.  I find I *sometimes* have to adjust my dose according

to the potency of the new batch.  Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any

difference in quality, as their suppliers are nearly always the same ones. 



Considering that raw herbs are *very* much cheaper than even raw herbs in

caps, it's worth it to me.  Testing quality at a new store is inexpensive.  If

I don't like something, all I've lost is 40 or 50 cents, and I go to another

store.  I've stayed with the same store now (in San Diego) for about 2 years. 



As for the standardized products, yes, they're effectively the same potency

and quality every time, but 'standardized' does *not* mean they're the same

across brands.  There's a *huge* difference. This should probably not be the

case, but it is, in my experience. 



They're also much more expensive, and you don't get to taste them.  Tasting an

herb is important to me. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Ginko Biloba comments

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 11:02:29 GMT

--------

In article <884485884.121017@wagasa.cts.com>, nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

writes:



>The main difference between raw herbs and standardized ones is that

>between

batches, the raw herbs may have different potency and quality.



I buy

>Ginkgo in powder form.  The store I go to once in a while runs out

>and

acquires another batch.  I find I *sometimes* have to adjust my dose

>according

to the potency of the new batch.  Otherwise, there doesn't seem to

>be any

difference in quality, as their suppliers are nearly always the same

>ones. 



Considering that raw herbs are *very* much cheaper than even raw

>herbs in

caps, it's worth it to me.  Testing quality at a new store is

>inexpensive.  If

I don't like something, all I've lost is 40 or 50 cents, and

>I go to another

store.  I've stayed with the same store now (in San Diego)

>for about 2 years. 



As for the standardized products, yes, they're

>effectively the same potency

and quality every time, but 'standardized' does

>*not* mean they're the same

across brands.  There's a *huge* difference. This

>should probably not be the

case, but it is, in my experience. 





standardization does not mean a level of strength . It means that the herb has

been altered and the chemical constituant that creates the  medicinal use has

been removed and that part of the herb has been standardized.  Standardized

herbs are incomplete substances much the same way single vitamins are to

complex multivitamins. 



   Whole bulk herbs can  cost less and  vary in their potency depending on

growing season, weather conditions, drying method and handling. But the bulk of

the complete herb also gives you other componets that are benificial to the

body.



  Sometimes you have to adjust the dosage a bit but it is worth it to use the

whole herb.



  Just be sure you are getting non irradiated (microwaved) and pesticide free

bulk herbs. You can't always rely on the label organic. The FDA in this country

 can't decide what standards of quality "organic " or "natural" fall into. The

overseas  market  consider "organic" to be anything grown naturally. Just

because they use human fertilizer instead of chemical doesn't make it organic

in my book. 





If people only knew what garbage they have been buying.



Mora







==========

Subject: sinus problems

From: Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:22:12 +0000

--------

Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.



If anybody still has the article or can help me in anyway, can they

please let me know and/or repost the article.



Many thanks.



Sharon

******

-- 

Sharon D Ward



http://www.danesholme.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:16:34 GMT

--------

Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

>and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.



Here's a  previous exchange from a ng about remedies for sinus

problems.  My response is listed first.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a few months ago excerpt>>>>>>>>



>       Does anyone know of some simple remedies to unclog sinuses? 

> (and treat sinus infections.)



A decent supplement for this is Nature's Way HAS (head and sinus, I

suppose) which contains gentle decongestants.  I recently  whipped up

a batch of thyme, echinacea, marshmallow, mullein, coltsfoot, lobelia

(small amount) and a couple of others that seems to work even better

than HAS.  



One company (KAZ I think) makes a personal steam mask.  It is

available

at places like Target and Walmart.  It is valuable to do a 5-10

minute treatment twice daily.  Irrigating the nose with saltwater

(pinch per pint) is helpful, too. This can be done with a Neti pot, a 

Japanese pot especially made for irrigation, or just a cone-nose

squeeze bottle (soap washed out VERY well). 



What causes it is most likely virus or bacteria.  One regimen I read

to combat it is as follows:



No milk or peanut butter (better yet, eliminate all dairy and grain

products until well).  Rest and stay out of cold air.  



Vitamin C, 500mg every 2 waking hours.

Bioflavanoids, 1 g per day.

Vitamin A, 25000 iu per day

Beta Carotene. 200,000 iu per day.

Zinc lozenges (23mg elemental zinc) every two waking hours (for one

week max).

Thymus extract, 500mg twice daily (Solaray makes a product called

Thymus Plus that contains thymus, spleen, and lymph, plus

echinacea, goldenseal, and others.)

Goldenseal root, 1g every two waking hours.  Also use 

the root to make a tea to irrigate the nasal passages.

Bromelain, 500mg with goldenseal.



I would add a decongestant, like the one mentioned above,

to this regimen.  A small amount of niacin with vitamin C loosens

some congestion, too.  I think it is very important to nip nasal

infections since they often seem to migrate to lung and ear

infections.



The standard naturopathic remedy for this and almost any other

infection is the best and cheapest, but the hardest to take.

It excels at respiratory and sinus infections.  Crush a medium

clove of garlic and shave a similar size piece of ginger.  Mix

in hot boiled water with the juice of half a lemon and a heaping

teaspoon of thyme.  Add honey if desired.  Take up to three

times per day for up to one week (it will not take nearly this

long).  One or two cups will convince anyone this is an amazing

remedy, if the taste can be tolerated.  



The simplest effective, easy-to-take 

regimen would be to use Enzymatic Therapy SuperImmunocomp (triple

recommended dosage for one week) and the HAS, saltwater irrigation,

and  diet changes.



Some report good results using strong colloidal silver (30-50ppm) 

in a nasal sprayer, and used many times daily.  Recipe to make it

cheap is on my web page.



turf



--------------------------------





Subject:      Re: Severe sinus condition - a pagan response?

From:         lahadler@prairienet.org (Lisa A. Hadler-Lindell)

Date:         1997/10/23

Message-ID:   <62ml3p$1a3$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>

Newsgroups:   soc.religion.unitarian-univ

[More Headers]









In a previous article, roblk6@aol.com (RobLK6) says:



>As a possible source for relief from a hellacious sinus condition a friend

> suggested . . .

>

><< Try asking some of your pagan friends if they have any old wives' cures

>available. A lot of them are quite efficacious. >>

>

>Well . . . . ?



If you're sure it's an infection and not an allergy, try echinacea 

(coneflower).  This has an anti-biotic effect.  The best forms are 

enhanced with vitamin C.  Some add passionflower thought I'm not sure 

why.  Passionflower is also used in sleep formulae, so maybe it helps 

with aches and pains, but don't know for sure.  Also, take garlic.

In fact, it's best to take garlic everyday during "cold and flu"

season. 

There are forms which do not smell.  (There are also forms that do, so



read the labels).  

  These 

are not "fast-acting" cures, as most natural treatments aren't. Also,

try 

drinking natural cranberry juice or taking cranberry extract pills. 

Natural cranberry juice (not the stuff in most supermarkets) is really



strong, so you need to break it down with some water, and maybe

sweeten 

it with grape juice.  It helps to clean out your system, the way 

"drinking plenty of fluids" does, but a bit more efficiently.  



I've been hearing good things about zinc lozenges, like coldeeze, but 

don't really know much about 'em.



If the bug is making you feel run down, try siberian ginseng.  



I'm not pagan so I hope you don't mind.



Good luck.



lisa

(who does get some such info from the Carmina Gadelica, so it probably

is 

"old wives'" stuff)

--







> We wish to know if there are any possible cures that might be out there to

> get rid of chronic sinus infection, our hope being to alleviate other

> health problems that may have come from it.



I know this is a pharmacy NG, but what worked for me was daily dosing

with

the following supplements: Ester-C (Vitamin C) with bioflavonoids;

Garlic;

Bee Propolis; and standardized Echinacea.



Rx meds only gave me symptomatic relief...





Subject:      Re: Chronic sinus infection cure?

From:         maria@cyberia.com (maria)

Date:         1997/05/22

Message-ID:   <5m050m$9ir$1@news3.microserve.net>

Newsgroups:   alt.folklore.herbs

[More Headers]





In regards to your question on sinus problems.  I used Allerplex for

my 

seasonal allergies and it worked well.  I also sometimes need

Congaplex

if 

infection is involved.  I recently discovered an online source for

these 

supplements at www.healthmc.com.   This site also offers free

consultations 

with the doctor. Good luck!







                                In article

<5lmb8f$1tt$3@nadine.teleport.com>, 

deb@mtjeff.com says...

>

>"The Puddies" <puddies@ny.frontiercomm.net> wrote:

>>

>>

>>ray@xxsirius.com wrote in article

>><ray-ya023480001505971933260001@news.sirius.com>...

>>> Hi, all--

>>> 

>>> We wish to know if there are any possible cures that might be out there

>>to

>>> get rid of chronic sinus infection, our hope being to alleviate other

>>> health problems that may have come from it.

>>> 

>>> Thanks very much. Please email your replies.

>>> 

>>> Katherine

>>> 

>>Hi Katherine,

>>

>>I have really, really bad sinus problems.   I have had CAT scans MRI's

>>X-Rays and all have verified that I am a candidate for surgery.   This last

>>year has been a unique one for me in that I have gone an entire winter

>>without going on antibiotics (heavy duty stuff - 500 mg Ceclor for weeks on

>>end, usually) and the only thing different is that I have been following a

>>regimen I saw on TV.

>>

>>Dr. Andrew Weil, the well known alternative health care Dr. was speaking on

>>the public network and the moment I caught he was saying how he had found

>>some alternatives to be better than drugs in certain conditions such as

>>sinus problems.   My ears perked up and I wrote down what he said.   I have

>>been more or less doing this and it is working for me.   You have nothing

>>to lose, it is cheap, easy, non toxic and it sure beats antibiotics and/or

>>surgery.

>>

>>1.  Give up all dairy products.   I cheat now and then, since I love the

>>stuff, but it definitely messes up my sinuses.    I do a lot better without

>>them.

>>

>>2.  Both night and morning, rinse out your nostrils well with saline water.

>>  You can either buy the prepared stuff you spray, or make your own and

>>just snuffle it up and blow it out.   This rinses away a lot of the

>>allergens and pollutants that irritate and make us prone to infection.

>>

>>3.  Use the following herbal cocktail and sip it at bedtime especially, if

>>you are really having a bad time, morning too.     Put these in a little

>>glass of water and sip it slowly.

>>

>>                   Astragalus extract  15 drops    (Natural antibiotic)

>>                   Stinging Nettle extract 10 drops  (natural

>>antihistimine)

>>                   Echinacea extract      10 drops (antibiotic and immune

>>booster)

>>                   Golden Seal                10 drops (opens passageways

>>and  "   )

>>

>>These are all available from the vitamin shoppe (a mail order house in

>>North Bergen New Jersey- call 800 directory assistance)  or at most health

>>food stores.  

>>

>>I have also found it works for colds and the sore throats and laryngitis

>>and tonsillitis and ear infections that are all side effects of the sinus

>>problems.

>>

>>I won't say I won't have the surgery, but as long as this is working for me

>>so well, and I don't take it all the time, by the way, only when I need it.

>>  

>>

>>Regards,

>>Evelyn

>

>All good advice.  Just one thing to add...There is a product on the 

>market [has been for 20 years, but just recently started with a new 

>distributor who is making it more publicly available] which attaches to 

>the Water-Pic oral rinse machine.  It will irrigate your sinuses and 

>encourage the cilia to become more active.

>

>I have been using this all winter and wish I had heard of it 20 years 

>ago.

>

>more information can be found at alt.support.sinisitus  and at 

>http://www.ent-consult.com

>

>Deb===







==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:25:26 -0500

--------

Sharon,

     Several things I would recommend.  One is to give up dairy.  It's

mucous producing.  Second snort salt water two times a day (1/4tsp salt to

1cup water), third and maybe most important, eat one clove of raw garlic a

day.  I have a press (about $10) that keeps the rough parts out.  Within

twenty minutes of eating lunch with the fresh garlic (it has to be fresh,

not pills) my sinuses improved and my chest partially cleared.  Now it's day

three, and I'm continuing to improve.



Good luck,

Frank







Brian McInturff wrote in message <69c2u8$454@camel12.mindspring.com>...

>Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

>>Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

>>and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.

>

>Here's a  previous exchange from a ng about remedies for sinus

>problems.  My response is listed first.

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From a few months ago excerpt>>>>>>>>

>

>>       Does anyone know of some simple remedies to unclog sinuses?

>> (and treat sinus infections.)

>

>A decent supplement for this is Nature's Way HAS (head and sinus, I

>suppose) which contains gentle decongestants.  I recently  whipped up

>a batch of thyme, echinacea, marshmallow, mullein, coltsfoot, lobelia

>(small amount) and a couple of others that seems to work even better

>than HAS.

>

>One company (KAZ I think) makes a personal steam mask.  It is

>available

>at places like Target and Walmart.  It is valuable to do a 5-10

>minute treatment twice daily.  Irrigating the nose with saltwater

>(pinch per pint) is helpful, too. This can be done with a Neti pot, a

>Japanese pot especially made for irrigation, or just a cone-nose

>squeeze bottle (soap washed out VERY well).

>

>What causes it is most likely virus or bacteria.  One regimen I read

>to combat it is as follows:

>

>No milk or peanut butter (better yet, eliminate all dairy and grain

>products until well).  Rest and stay out of cold air.

>

>Vitamin C, 500mg every 2 waking hours.

>Bioflavanoids, 1 g per day.

>Vitamin A, 25000 iu per day

>Beta Carotene. 200,000 iu per day.

>Zinc lozenges (23mg elemental zinc) every two waking hours (for one

>week max).

>Thymus extract, 500mg twice daily (Solaray makes a product called

>Thymus Plus that contains thymus, spleen, and lymph, plus

>echinacea, goldenseal, and others.)

>Goldenseal root, 1g every two waking hours.  Also use

>the root to make a tea to irrigate the nasal passages.

>Bromelain, 500mg with goldenseal.

>

>I would add a decongestant, like the one mentioned above,

>to this regimen.  A small amount of niacin with vitamin C loosens

>some congestion, too.  I think it is very important to nip nasal

>infections since they often seem to migrate to lung and ear

>infections.

>

>The standard naturopathic remedy for this and almost any other

>infection is the best and cheapest, but the hardest to take.

>It excels at respiratory and sinus infections.  Crush a medium

>clove of garlic and shave a similar size piece of ginger.  Mix

>in hot boiled water with the juice of half a lemon and a heaping

>teaspoon of thyme.  Add honey if desired.  Take up to three

>times per day for up to one week (it will not take nearly this

>long).  One or two cups will convince anyone this is an amazing

>remedy, if the taste can be tolerated.

>

>The simplest effective, easy-to-take

>regimen would be to use Enzymatic Therapy SuperImmunocomp (triple

>recommended dosage for one week) and the HAS, saltwater irrigation,

>and  diet changes.

>

>Some report good results using strong colloidal silver (30-50ppm)

>in a nasal sprayer, and used many times daily.  Recipe to make it

>cheap is on my web page.

>

>turf

>

>--------------------------------

>

>

>Subject:      Re: Severe sinus condition - a pagan response?

>From:         lahadler@prairienet.org (Lisa A. Hadler-Lindell)

>Date:         1997/10/23

>Message-ID:   <62ml3p$1a3$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>

>Newsgroups:   soc.religion.unitarian-univ

>[More Headers]

>

>

>

>

>In a previous article, roblk6@aol.com (RobLK6) says:

>

>>As a possible source for relief from a hellacious sinus condition a friend

>> suggested . . .

>>

>><< Try asking some of your pagan friends if they have any old wives' cures

>>available. A lot of them are quite efficacious. >>

>>

>>Well . . . . ?

>

>If you're sure it's an infection and not an allergy, try echinacea

>(coneflower).  This has an anti-biotic effect.  The best forms are

>enhanced with vitamin C.  Some add passionflower thought I'm not sure

>why.  Passionflower is also used in sleep formulae, so maybe it helps

>with aches and pains, but don't know for sure.  Also, take garlic.

>In fact, it's best to take garlic everyday during "cold and flu"

>season.

>There are forms which do not smell.  (There are also forms that do, so

>

>read the labels).

>  These

>are not "fast-acting" cures, as most natural treatments aren't. Also,

>try

>drinking natural cranberry juice or taking cranberry extract pills.

>Natural cranberry juice (not the stuff in most supermarkets) is really

>

>strong, so you need to break it down with some water, and maybe

>sweeten

>it with grape juice.  It helps to clean out your system, the way

>"drinking plenty of fluids" does, but a bit more efficiently.

>

>I've been hearing good things about zinc lozenges, like coldeeze, but

>don't really know much about 'em.

>

>If the bug is making you feel run down, try siberian ginseng.

>

>I'm not pagan so I hope you don't mind.

>

>Good luck.

>

>lisa

>(who does get some such info from the Carmina Gadelica, so it probably

>is

>"old wives'" stuff)

>--

>

>

>

>> We wish to know if there are any possible cures that might be out there

to

>> get rid of chronic sinus infection, our hope being to alleviate other

>> health problems that may have come from it.

>

>I know this is a pharmacy NG, but what worked for me was daily dosing

>with

>the following supplements: Ester-C (Vitamin C) with bioflavonoids;

>Garlic;

>Bee Propolis; and standardized Echinacea.

>

>Rx meds only gave me symptomatic relief...

>

>

>Subject:      Re: Chronic sinus infection cure?

>From:         maria@cyberia.com (maria)

>Date:         1997/05/22

>Message-ID:   <5m050m$9ir$1@news3.microserve.net>

>Newsgroups:   alt.folklore.herbs

>[More Headers]

>

>

>In regards to your question on sinus problems.  I used Allerplex for

>my

>seasonal allergies and it worked well.  I also sometimes need

>Congaplex

>if

>infection is involved.  I recently discovered an online source for

>these

>supplements at www.healthmc.com.   This site also offers free

>consultations

>with the doctor. Good luck!

>

>

>

>                                In article

><5lmb8f$1tt$3@nadine.teleport.com>,

>deb@mtjeff.com says...

>>

>>"The Puddies" <puddies@ny.frontiercomm.net> wrote:

>>>

>>>

>>>ray@xxsirius.com wrote in article

>>><ray-ya023480001505971933260001@news.sirius.com>...

>>>> Hi, all--

>>>>

>>>> We wish to know if there are any possible cures that might be out there

>>>to

>>>> get rid of chronic sinus infection, our hope being to alleviate other

>>>> health problems that may have come from it.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks very much. Please email your replies.

>>>>

>>>> Katherine

>>>>

>>>Hi Katherine,

>>>

>>>I have really, really bad sinus problems.   I have had CAT scans MRI's

>>>X-Rays and all have verified that I am a candidate for surgery.   This

last

>>>year has been a unique one for me in that I have gone an entire winter

>>>without going on antibiotics (heavy duty stuff - 500 mg Ceclor for weeks

on

>>>end, usually) and the only thing different is that I have been following

a

>>>regimen I saw on TV.

>>>

>>>Dr. Andrew Weil, the well known alternative health care Dr. was speaking

on

>>>the public network and the moment I caught he was saying how he had found

>>>some alternatives to be better than drugs in certain conditions such as

>>>sinus problems.   My ears perked up and I wrote down what he said.   I

have

>>>been more or less doing this and it is working for me.   You have nothing

>>>to lose, it is cheap, easy, non toxic and it sure beats antibiotics

and/or

>>>surgery.

>>>

>>>1.  Give up all dairy products.   I cheat now and then, since I love the

>>>stuff, but it definitely messes up my sinuses.    I do a lot better

without

>>>them.

>>>

>>>2.  Both night and morning, rinse out your nostrils well with saline

water.

>>>  You can either buy the prepared stuff you spray, or make your own and

>>>just snuffle it up and blow it out.   This rinses away a lot of the

>>>allergens and pollutants that irritate and make us prone to infection.

>>>

>>>3.  Use the following herbal cocktail and sip it at bedtime especially,

if

>>>you are really having a bad time, morning too.     Put these in a little

>>>glass of water and sip it slowly.

>>>

>>>                   Astragalus extract  15 drops    (Natural antibiotic)

>>>                   Stinging Nettle extract 10 drops  (natural

>>>antihistimine)

>>>                   Echinacea extract      10 drops (antibiotic and immune

>>>booster)

>>>                   Golden Seal                10 drops (opens passageways

>>>and  "   )

>>>

>>>These are all available from the vitamin shoppe (a mail order house in

>>>North Bergen New Jersey- call 800 directory assistance)  or at most

health

>>>food stores.

>>>

>>>I have also found it works for colds and the sore throats and laryngitis

>>>and tonsillitis and ear infections that are all side effects of the sinus

>>>problems.

>>>

>>>I won't say I won't have the surgery, but as long as this is working for

me

>>>so well, and I don't take it all the time, by the way, only when I need

it.

>>>

>>>

>>>Regards,

>>>Evelyn

>>

>>All good advice.  Just one thing to add...There is a product on the

>>market [has been for 20 years, but just recently started with a new

>>distributor who is making it more publicly available] which attaches to

>>the Water-Pic oral rinse machine.  It will irrigate your sinuses and

>>encourage the cilia to become more active.

>>

>>I have been using this all winter and wish I had heard of it 20 years

>>ago.

>>

>>more information can be found at alt.support.sinisitus  and at

>>http://www.ent-consult.com

>>

>>Deb===

>









==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:12 +0000

--------

Thanks to all who have answered my question, so far.



The only dairy products my husband has is semi-skimmed milk and butter.

He is at the moment trying to give up smoking which is helping a bit.



Any further help would still be appreciated.



-- 

Sharon D Ward



http://www.danesholme.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: wherestonto@webtv.net (alone ranger)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:24:28 -0600

--------

I've had sinus problems most of my life & have gone through many bottles

of nasal spray & sometimes even that would not help. I began to notice

that when I regularly drank carrot juice that was mixed with

celery,beet,bellpepper, spinach & parsley jucies (I buy  pre-made

Ferraro's) that my sinuses would mostly clear up & my nasal polyp would

even shrink significantly. So now I drink at least 10 oz of the juice a

day. I also drink the lemon, maple syrup & Cayenne mixture before I go

to bed. I still have to use the nasal spray, but only a few times a day.

It was so bad before that I had to learn to sleep with my mouth open so

I could breathe. Mark 





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:26:14 +0000

--------

<snip>



>I began to notice

>that when I regularly drank carrot juice that was mixed with

>celery,beet,bellpepper, spinach & parsley jucies (I buy  pre-made

>Ferraro's) that my sinuses would mostly clear up & my nasal polyp would

>even shrink significantly. 



>Mark 



Thanks for your suggestions Mark, but can you please tell me what

"Ferraro's" is.  I presume it is a brand name, but have not heard of it

in the UK.



Sharon

******

-- 

Sharon D Ward



http://www.danesholme.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:36:13 -0600

--------

Sharon- I also take 1  Kava Kava capsule before bedtime to help me relax

& sleep.A positive attitude is important too but it is hard to be

positive when you feel miserable. Just a few months ago I was very

congested & now I'm almost back to normal. Don't forget about the Maple

Syrup, Lemon & Cayenne mixture before bedtime. Use a good quality

powdered Cayenne & start out with 1/8 teaspoon. I always have an apple

after I drink the mixture to quell the heat of the Cayenne. Check out

some of the Cayenne posts for the Cayenne Website from Michelle.  The

main thing is, is to get your immune system strong enough to fight what

is aiing you.  Mark





==========

To: Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk>

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: Grigsby Hart Wotton <ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 23:56:40 -0500

--------

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Sharon D Ward wrote:



> <snip>

> 

> >I began to notice

> >that when I regularly drank carrot juice that was mixed with

> >celery,beet,bellpepper, spinach & parsley jucies (I buy  pre-made

> >Ferraro's) that my sinuses would mostly clear up & my nasal polyp would

> >even shrink significantly. 



That's interesting.  I discovered 4 years ago that I could relieve sinus

congestion by taking plant enzymes (along with probiotics) and I have done

so since and had little problem with what had been chronic sinus

infections and congestion.  Fresh juice of course is full of enzymes.







==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: J.Stott@btinternet.com

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:58:56 GMT

--------

On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:12 +0000, Sharon D Ward

<sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Thanks to all who have answered my question, so far.

>

>The only dairy products my husband has is semi-skimmed milk and butter.

>He is at the moment trying to give up smoking which is helping a bit.

>

>Any further help would still be appreciated.



I was also advised to give up eating bananas and have substituted soya

milk in place of dairy milk.  Has your husband tried acupunture.  I

tried it after my doctor threatened to drain my sinuses because they

were so bad.  The acupunture was so successfull I have not had to see

my doctor about sinus problems for two years now.



Good luck



Jennifer





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:54:15 GMT

--------

On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:58:56 GMT, J.Stott@btinternet.com wrote:



-=>On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:30:12 +0000, Sharon D Ward

-=><sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk> wrote:

-=>

-=>>Thanks to all who have answered my question, so far.

-=>>

-=>>The only dairy products my husband has is semi-skimmed milk and butter.

-=>>He is at the moment trying to give up smoking which is helping a bit.

-=>>

-=>>Any further help would still be appreciated.

-=>

-=>I was also advised to give up eating bananas and have substituted soya

-=>milk in place of dairy milk.  Has your husband tried acupunture.  I

-=>tried it after my doctor threatened to drain my sinuses because they

-=>were so bad.  The acupunture was so successfull I have not had to see

-=>my doctor about sinus problems for two years now.



Might want to wander over to the sinusitis newsgroup -

alt.support.sinusitis  Doing irrigation with a Water Pik might help.

It sounds weird but my ENT recommended it.



Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:27:43 -0500

--------

Folks, there's a simpler solution to the mixing of herbs and washing out

notrils...



A vitimin and herbal product has been formulated specifically to support

the upper respiratory system of the body.... I have seen it help folk

come off their asthma inhailers, assist people with emphyzema, and also

do away with all the nasty symptoms associated with Sinus... itchy eyes

and so on!  This product is available here in the US and in South

Africa... although I'm sure that it can be posted to whoever needs it.



Drop me a line and I'll be glad to point you to the Manufacturer.



David.





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:57:57 -0500

--------

Hi Sharon,



A tea made out of any of the following herbs will help relief your husband's

sinus problems, but please read the warning about the use of this herbs:



1- ANGELICA: Young leaves or roots can be used to make tea that reduce

sinus, tension, nervous headaches,coughs.

    WARNING- Large doses first stimulate and then paralyze the central

nervous system. Also the tea is not recommended

                          for those suffering from diabetes.



2- BORAGE: Tea is good remedy for sinus, colds, and flu.

    WARNING: Prolonged use of borage is not advisable. Fresh leaves may

cause contact dermatitis.



3- CATNIP: Tea is good treatment for cold, flu, sinus, and calming the

nervous system, and upset stomach.



4- LEMON VERBENA: Tea is refreshing , and soothe bronchial and nasal

congestion and sinus.

WARNING:  Long term use may cause stomach irritation.



Good luck, and I hope your husband will get well soon,





--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

Sharon D Ward wrote in message ...

>Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

>and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.

>

>If anybody still has the article or can help me in anyway, can they

>please let me know and/or repost the article.

>

>Many thanks.

>

>Sharon

>******

>--

>Sharon D Ward

>

>http://www.danesholme.demon.co.uk







==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:40:55 GMT

--------

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Sharon D Ward <sharon@danesholme.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

>and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.



I suggest giving up all dairy for a while and seeing if that helps. It is

often a cause of sinus problems like sinusitis. It could also be other

allergies, but the odds are on dairy.



Don.





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:52:49 GMT

--------

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:40:55 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:

>I suggest giving up all dairy for a while and seeing if that helps. It is

>often a cause of sinus problems like sinusitis. It could also be other

>allergies, but the odds are on dairy.



I have to agree with this one.  I gave up dairy after suffering with

constant sinus problems......they disappeared after about a week.

Over the holiday season I slipped (lots) cause my s/o got a cappuccino

machine and I was downing the lattes with skim milk.  My sinus

problems have returned.  

He's now back in Jersey, and I'm off dairy and slowly getting back to

normal......we've decided to try the lattes with non-dairy creamer!!



ceri



"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw





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Subject: Herbs/Vitamins for Skin Elasticity

From: "Rainwood" <gentle.living@pressroom.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:46:27 -0800

--------

Does anyone know of a vitamin or herb that enhances skin elasticity?



please email gentle.living@pressroom.com.  Many thanks, Rainwood









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Subject: Re: Herbs/Vitamins for Skin Elasticity

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:57:01 GMT

--------

On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:46:27 -0800, "Rainwood"

<gentle.living@pressroom.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know of a vitamin or herb that enhances skin elasticity?



Vitamin E is good for the skin, but drinking lots and lots of water is

even better!!  Water helps keep the skin hydrated.  Also, staying out

of the sun, or wearing a high sun block helps.  



ceri



"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs/Vitamins for Skin Elasticity

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:20:22 -0500

--------

Rainwood wrote in message <698u38$f3n$1@news2.cais.com>...

>Does anyone know of a vitamin or herb that enhances skin elasticity?

>

>please email gentle.living@pressroom.com.  Many thanks, Rainwood

>





Gotu Kola (Hydrocotyl asiatica or Centella asiatica).  Try 3-5 grams of the

leaves / day as a tea.  Gotu Kola has even been found useful in scleroderma,

so it will probably work for other skin-collagen disorders, and it's

non-toxic.



-RJO











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Subject: Vitreous Haemorrhage - Can Anyone Advise?

From: tony@zorro.southern.co.nz (Tony McKee)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 15:03:53 +1200

--------



Hi Folks. My cousin - an otherwise healthy woman in her early sixties -

has an eye condition diagnosed as 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'. Basically it's

small-scale bleeding in and from the main, white vitreous area of one of

her eyeballs. As a result, she has lost almost all sight in the eye. The

ailment came upon her suddenly some months ago - she has had nothing

like it before. Besides the bleeding and blindness, other symptoms are:



'Double reflections' - e.g., say, she's sitting in a room with an

electric lamp nearby. Depending on her head position, she'll make out

two reflections of the light source in the affected eye whereas you or I

would see only one. She calls this phenomenon the 'splitting of the

light'.



Occasional 'stabs' of pain in the eye.



Tenderness in the eye and the surrounding tissues.





Her doctor is confident the condition will improve - and perhaps even

depart entirely - over the next six months. Indeed, she has experienced

some improvement over the last few weeks. However, she has asked me to

see if I can 'track down' any tried and true herbal preparations that

might assist in healing the condition - and perhaps even help keep it at

bay in the future. We know that Bilberry is great for eye 'maintenance'

- but does anyone know af anything else? Particularly something that may

help with 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'? We would be very interested and

appreciative of any advice.



Thanks for listening.





Cheers, Tony McKee



--



tony@zorro.southern.co.nz

========================================================================

I am a part of all that I have met... yet all experience is but an arch

Wherethro' gleams that untravel'd world whose margins fade

Forever and forever... 'ere I move.



Ulysses



========================================================================





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Subject: Re: Vitreous Haemorrhage - Can Anyone Advise?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 05:28:00 -0700

--------

tony@zorro.southern.co.nz (Tony McKee) wrote:



>

>Hi Folks. My cousin - an otherwise healthy woman in her early sixties -

>has an eye condition diagnosed as 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'. Basically it's

>small-scale bleeding in and from the main, white vitreous area of one of

>her eyeballs. 



>However, she has asked me to

>see if I can 'track down' any tried and true herbal preparations that

>might assist in healing the condition - and perhaps even help keep it at

>bay in the future.



   Bilberry's repute is in part due to it's high vitamin content

(many of the uses of these herbs date to pre-nutrition days when

peasants had to scrounge what they could, and if your diet was

low-quality, and source of vitamins helped.)



  This must be another one of those "wait it out" conditions.  I

can understand your frustration.

   Has the Dr. prescribed Vitamin K supplements?  If she has a

mild deficiency, clotting would be impaired, and bleeding more

likely.  I don't think that K can be obtained OTC at all. 

   Also, vitamin A, E and C supplements.  Heck, a basic

vitamin-mineral supplement plus Calcium (another part of the

clotting process) and a balanced diet - you know the high fruit,

whole grain, moderate protein kind.



   Because bleeding is the main symptom, AVOID the following

herbs that claim to "improve circulation" ... they mostly do it

by an anti-coagulant effect, and that is the last effect a

bleeder needs:

Ginsengs

Willows  (herbal aspirin)

Ginko (anticoagulant effect unknown)

Sweet Clover (mild anti-coagulant when fresh or dry, early source

of heparin)



To encourage the cells that clean up tissue damage, the

neutrophils, try these herbs:

   Echinacea  (stimulates phagocytosis)

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Vitreous Haemorrhage - Can Anyone Advise?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:56:57 -0500

--------



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34bb67bf.249524@news.primenet.com>...

>   Bilberry's repute is in part due to it's high vitamin content

>(many of the uses of these herbs date to pre-nutrition days when

>peasants had to scrounge what they could, and if your diet was

>low-quality, and source of vitamins helped.)





Bilberry's reputation is based on a anthocyanadin, not on vitamin content.

The active compound is associated with the blue coloring of the berries and

is also present in blueberries and huckleberries.  The extract has all of

the therapeutic effects of the berries themselves, preventing deterioration

of tissues, especially vascular tissues, in the eye.  Bilberry's unique

properties were originally discovered when it was noticed that some flyers

(in WWII, at a base in England) had abnormally good night vision.  It was

found that the difference between them and flyers at other bases was that

they were regularly treated to bilberry preserves produced locally.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Vitreous Haemorrhage - Can Anyone Advise?

From: ross @-sign together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 02:40:31 GMT

--------

In article <34bb67bf.249524@news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

>tony@zorro.southern.co.nz (Tony McKee) wrote:

>

>>

>>Hi Folks. My cousin - an otherwise healthy woman in her early sixties -

>>has an eye condition diagnosed as 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'. Basically it's

>>small-scale bleeding in and from the main, white vitreous area of one of

>>her eyeballs. 

>

>>However, she has asked me to

>>see if I can 'track down' any tried and true herbal preparations that

>>might assist in healing the condition - and perhaps even help keep it at

>>bay in the future.

>

>   Bilberry's repute is in part due to it's high vitamin content

>(many of the uses of these herbs date to pre-nutrition days when

>peasants had to scrounge what they could, and if your diet was

>low-quality, and source of vitamins helped.)

>

>  This must be another one of those "wait it out" conditions.  I

>can understand your frustration.

>   Has the Dr. prescribed Vitamin K supplements?  If she has a

>mild deficiency, clotting would be impaired, and bleeding more

>likely.  I don't think that K can be obtained OTC at all. 

>   Also, vitamin A, E and C supplements.  Heck, a basic

>vitamin-mineral supplement plus Calcium (another part of the

>clotting process) and a balanced diet - you know the high fruit,

>whole grain, moderate protein kind.

>

>   Because bleeding is the main symptom, AVOID the following

>herbs that claim to "improve circulation" ... they mostly do it

>by an anti-coagulant effect, and that is the last effect a

>bleeder needs:



Above you recommend Vitamin E.  Here you advise against anti-coagulant herbs.  

Viamin E is a well known anti-coagulant compound.  DO NOT USE it without the 

advice of an opthamologist. Aspirin and all other salicylates are 

ant-coagulant as well.  While none of these will probably effect the course of 

her problem, why gamble?  Her hemmorhage is serious and should be treated as 

aggresively as she feels blindness deems!





>Ginsengs

>Willows  (herbal aspirin)

>Ginko (anticoagulant effect unknown)

>Sweet Clover (mild anti-coagulant when fresh or dry, early source

>of heparin)

>

>To encourage the cells that clean up tissue damage, the

>neutrophils, try these herbs:

>   Echinacea  (stimulates phagocytosis)

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com     

>(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

> But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Vitreous Haemorrhage - Can Anyone Advise?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 08:58:04 GMT

--------



Tony McKee wrote in message ...

>

>Hi Folks. My cousin - an otherwise healthy woman in her early sixties -

>has an eye condition diagnosed as 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'. Basically it's

>small-scale bleeding in and from the main, white vitreous area of one of

>her eyeballs. As a result, she has lost almost all sight in the eye. The

>ailment came upon her suddenly some months ago - she has had nothing

>like it before. Besides the bleeding and blindness, other symptoms are:

>

>'Double reflections' - e.g., say, she's sitting in a room with an

>electric lamp nearby. Depending on her head position, she'll make out

>two reflections of the light source in the affected eye whereas you or I

>would see only one. She calls this phenomenon the 'splitting of the

>light'.

>

>Occasional 'stabs' of pain in the eye.

>

>Tenderness in the eye and the surrounding tissues.

>

>

>Her doctor is confident the condition will improve - and perhaps even

>depart entirely - over the next six months. Indeed, she has experienced

>some improvement over the last few weeks. However, she has asked me to

>see if I can 'track down' any tried and true herbal preparations that

>might assist in healing the condition - and perhaps even help keep it at

>bay in the future. We know that Bilberry is great for eye 'maintenance'

>- but does anyone know af anything else? Particularly something that may

>help with 'Vitreous Haemorrhage'? We would be very interested and

>appreciative of any advice.

>

>Thanks for listening.

>

>

>Cheers, Tony McKee

>



Tony,



I have heard of laser being used to seal off bleeding in the eyes..... I

would look into that possibility rather than wait if I were you.



Evelyn







--

>

>========================================================================









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Subject: Kava Beverage?

From: Kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:30:17 GMT

--------

Hello,  I was recently visiting California and

was a dinner guest at a friend of a friend where

I was served a very bitter, small-teacup amount

of beverage made from an herb(?) called Kava.

After a while I experienced a very pleasant

and relaxing sensation that seemed mildly

narcotic.  The evening went well and at

bedtime I quickly fell into a sound sleep.

The next morning I felt amazingly refreshed

(though still a bit 'buzzed') and had 

such a powerful dream during the night that

I insisted on discussing it at the breakfast

table (too long a story for now).



Upon returning to the East Coast, I sought

to reproduce the Kava drink, but have had

no success.  My host in CA told me that the

drink was made from the ground roots of

Kava.  I was able to obtain powdered

Kava root at a local herb store, but I guess

I do not know how to prepare it properly

(made tea from it).  Anybody know more

about this?  I am not able to contact our

host for that evening to get preparation

information.



Thankx.....







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Subject: Re: Kava Beverage?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 02:33:09 GMT

--------

Kudzu (Kudzu@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

:Hello,  I was recently visiting California and

:was a dinner guest at a friend of a friend where

:I was served a very bitter, small-teacup amount

:of beverage made from an herb(?) called Kava.

:After a while I experienced a very pleasant

:and relaxing sensation that seemed mildly

:narcotic.  The evening went well and at

:bedtime I quickly fell into a sound sleep.

:The next morning I felt amazingly refreshed

:(though still a bit 'buzzed') and had 

:such a powerful dream during the night that

:I insisted on discussing it at the breakfast

:table (too long a story for now).

:

:Upon returning to the East Coast, I sought

:to reproduce the Kava drink, but have had

:no success.  My host in CA told me that the

:drink was made from the ground roots of

:Kava.  I was able to obtain powdered

:Kava root at a local herb store, but I guess

:I do not know how to prepare it properly

:(made tea from it).  Anybody know more

:about this?  I am not able to contact our

:host for that evening to get preparation

:information.

:

:Thankx.....

:



Someone in this newsgroup mentioned that adding fat of some sort to the mix is

important. Nex





__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________









==========

Subject: Re: Kava Beverage?

From: cerinospam@earthlink.net (Ceri)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:16:28 GMT

--------

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:30:17 GMT, Kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)

wrote:



>  I was able to obtain powdered

>Kava root at a local herb store, but I guess

>I do not know how to prepare it properly

>(made tea from it).  Anybody know more

>about this? 

I believe the herb you're referring to is Kava Kava!!

Excellent herb for stress and anxiety!!  Here's what I dug up:



Kava Kava

ACTION: Relaxes muscles and elevates mood.

DOSAGE: In capsules, 3 times a day at 60 to 70 mg each.  You can also

sip a daily dose (with 100mg extract) in juice or tea.  As a tincture,

forty to sixty drops up to si time a day if needed.  May feel the

relaxing effects from within a few hours to a few days.

SIDE EFFECTS: Several daily doses over several months may cause scaly

skin.  Kava kava is contraindicated for people with Parkinson's

disease; its use may worsen the condition.

COMMENTS: Among its benefits, kava kava is excellent for

stress-related muscle aches such as backache, neck ache, and a jaw

sore from grinding teeth.  Plus, you'll just feel good all over.



curtesy of Natural Health magazine



ceri

"This is the true joy in life - being used for a purpose

recognized by yourself as a mighty one; being

throughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap;

being a force of nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of

ailments and grievances, complaining that the world will not devote

itself to making you consistent."

-- George Bernard Shaw





==========

Subject: Re: Kava Beverage?

From: davidh@crl.com

Date: 13 Jan 1998 19:02:05 GMT

--------

Ceri <cerinospam@earthlink.net> wrote:

: On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:30:17 GMT, Kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)

: wrote:



: >  I was able to obtain powdered

: >Kava root at a local herb store, but I guess

: >I do not know how to prepare it properly

: >(made tea from it).  Anybody know more

: >about this? 



The information I have on it I found while looking up

herbal ways to do psychadelic affects.  In particular I

was interested in opening up my third eye without drastic

steps like LSD, but that's a different story.



I found Kava Kava described on a web page for legal herbal highs.



The directions there produced a very thick tea.  I don't

remember the exact directions but was basically



	take a few tablespoons of the herb



	put in water



	boil for 20 minutes or so



It was indeed bitter and very dark.  Fortunately I've taken some

chinese herbal remedies and am used to drinking teas for the effect

rather than the flavor.



For me the effect lasted for a couple hours.  I was looking for

specific effects that did not happen (I wanted to see colors) but some

things did happen.  Not sure about dreams.



Vivid dreams certainly reflects a more open third eye.



Good luck,



	David







==========

Subject: Re: Kava Beverage?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:27:49 -0500

--------

davidh@crl.com wrote in message <69gdnd$e54$1@nnrp1.crl.com>...

>The directions there produced a very thick tea.  I don't

>remember the exact directions but was basically

>

> take a few tablespoons of the herb

>

> put in water



...



You may be wasting your Kava if you do.  Every reference I have seen

emphasizes that the active components are *resinous* compounds that are

*not* soluble in water.  They are soluble in strong alcohol and other

relatively non-polar solvents.  The natives who discovered kava's properties

didn't make use of alcohol, but they had access to the fresh root and

employed vigorous chewing to emulsify the compounds, so they were not really

in solution at all but rather in suspension.  Once the root has been dried

the compounds tend to become rather tightly bound to the woody parts of the

roots, so the native method probably wouldn't work very well.



Of course, just powdering the root and consuming mass quantities would

probably work if you could stomach it...  And the quantity required for the

therapeutic effect of relaxation is *far* less than that consumed

ceremonially.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Kava Beverage?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:35:17 GMT

--------

Richard J. Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

:davidh@crl.com wrote in message <69gdnd$e54$1@nnrp1.crl.com>...

:>The directions there produced a very thick tea.  I don't

:>remember the exact directions but was basically

:>

:> take a few tablespoons of the herb

:>

:> put in water

:

:...

:

:You may be wasting your Kava if you do.  Every reference I have seen

:emphasizes that the active components are *resinous* compounds that are

:*not* soluble in water.  They are soluble in strong alcohol and other

:relatively non-polar solvents.  The natives who discovered kava's properties

:didn't make use of alcohol, but they had access to the fresh root and

:employed vigorous chewing to emulsify the compounds, so they were not really

:in solution at all but rather in suspension.  Once the root has been dried

:the compounds tend to become rather tightly bound to the woody parts of the

:roots, so the native method probably wouldn't work very well.

:

:Of course, just powdering the root and consuming mass quantities would

:probably work if you could stomach it...  And the quantity required for the

:therapeutic effect of relaxation is *far* less than that consumed

:ceremonially.

:

:-RJO

:

:

:



I used just caps of raw Kava (a commercial brand), and definitely got an

effect.



Is it true that ingesting some type of fat along with those caps might produce

a stronger effect?  I've tried, and haven't noticed any. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







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To: sanet-mg@shasta.ces.ncsu.edu

Subject: Forwarded mail....

From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <london@sunsite.unc.edu>

Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:09:58 -0500

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london@sunSITE.unc.edu   llondon@bellsouth.net







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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:56:16 -0500

From: Philip  <philip@connext.net>

Reply-To: "Philip " <@connext.net>

To: london@sunsite.unc.edu



I am an agricultural marketing specialist in Maryland trying to find production budgets for medicinal herbs.  Are you aware of any connections that might be of assistance?



Thanks.



Philip Gottwals

209 Kemble Road

Baltimore, MD  21218

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Subject: cure needed toenail fungus

From: gmarr@intergate.bc.ca (Gracie Marr)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 07:33:25 GMT

--------

Help! I have been searching for a cure for this problem, the prescription 

drugs are way to expensive and you have to take them for 6 months....any 

alternative ideas?







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Subject: Re: cure needed toenail fungus

From: jrolex1234@aol.com (JRolex1234)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:35:42 GMT

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also look into soaking in pau d'arco tea    supposed to help toe fungus





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Subject: Help with CHF

From: Dave Dix <dadixx@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:36:09 -0600

--------

I recently was diagnosed with congestive heart failure brought on by a

viral attack.  The problem is complicated by hypertension, borderline

diabetes (typeII) and left ventricular myopahy.



I'm taking a variety of nmeds which (surprise, surprise) have  bad side

effects.  I am being given choice between dying and going blind,

developing pulmonary fibrosis and destroying my kidneys.



I am taking Lipoic acid, CoQ10, Hawthorne and fish oil capsules.  i have

begun practicing Chi Kung regularly.



Does anyone on the NG have experience with herbal treatment of CHF?  Are

there effective alternatives to these absurdly dangerous drugs?



Dave Dix







==========

Subject: Re: Help with CHF

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 07:26:00 -0700

--------

Dave Dix <dadixx@earthlink.net> wrote:



>I recently was diagnosed with congestive heart failure brought on by a

>viral attack.  The problem is complicated by hypertension, borderline

>diabetes (typeII) and left ventricular myopahy.

   The hypertension and diabetes can be partially alleviated by

exercise and weight loss.  Proper diet: low in salt, simple

carbohydrates and fats, high in fruits, whole grains, and legumes

(beans and peas) will also help.  Eating fatty fish (salmon,

tuna, mackerel) is better than taking the oil capsules.

   Cut out drinking and smoking, and canned or bottled beverages,

like sodas.

   Unfortunately, "myopathy" is a catch-all for "damaged muscle"

... anything that reduces a load on the heart, like losing

weight, might help.



>Does anyone on the NG have experience with herbal treatment of CHF?  Are

>there effective alternatives to these absurdly dangerous drugs?

   For the moment, those absurdly dangerous drugs are keeping you

alive in hopes that your heart will heal.

   Whatever herbs anyone recommends, let your doctor know, and

keep a close eye on your blood sugar, pressure, and kidney

function.  There can be strange interactions.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:44:07 -0500

--------

Good Day all,

I'm not sure if I'm in the right place for this, but perhaps I could get

a reference or an opinion on this situation:  My man is a guitar player,

a pretty good one at that. He plays an acoustic 12-string and a

classical acoustic 6-string guitar.  He loves to play ballads and many

intricate pieces, for instance Segovia. He has been playing for about 12

years self taught by countless books. But now he's facing a very

frustrating problem: His pinky finger on the left hand is numb he thinks

a pinched nerve, he claims the source is in the area where his funny

bone is-right in the crevice of his bent elbow.  He gets so mad at it

sometimes that he slams his hand of off things with the expectation that

it will never return to normal and that his pinky finger will remain

clumsy and disoriented anytime he picks up to play.

This frightens him that he may not be able to teach our good friend how

to play any longer like he promised because this will stand in the way.

I hate to see how defeated and lost he feels whenever he picks his

guitar up and everytime he tries to practice that once co-ordinated

finger has gone dead.

If anyone knows anything about such a problem-the cause? the solution?

Please help!!

~Kelly







==========

Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 09:45:01 -0700

--------

Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:

>Good Day all,

>I'm not sure if I'm in the right place for this, but perhaps I could get

>a reference or an opinion on this situation:  My man is a guitar player,

> His pinky finger on the left hand is numb he thinks

>a pinched nerve, he claims the source is in the area where his funny

>bone is-right in the crevice of his bent elbow. 

>If anyone knows anything about such a problem-the cause? 

Been there, done that  :(   It's no fun.

   It could be a pinched nerve anywhere along the path from spine

to little finger.  The nerve could be pinched where it passes

abnormally  through a muscle, or between a tendon and a bone

(kind of like carpal tunnel, but different location for the

problem).  I don't have a good enough anatomy book to tell you

which nerves lead to that area (you can look at them in any

library).

  Anyway, when the muscle contracts or the tendon moves, it

presses on the nerve.  Over time, the nerve is squished into

inactivity: numbness and paralysis for starters.  Permanent

damage is possible!

>the solution?

   REST!  For starters.  For at least a month, maybe longer.

Continued attempts to play will continue to damage the nerve, and

it could become permanent.  Absolute REST (try taping the little

finger to the third one to make sure it doesn't get used).

Severe tingling, shooting pains up the arm, and burning

sensations are a good sign: the nerve is recuperating.  This

symptom will come and go ... becoming less frequent and

eventually vanishing.  

   Warm compresses and massage, mild muscle relaxants (try

chamomile, peppermint, and/or lemon balm tea at bedtime), and

extra b-vitamins help the healing, but time is the real solution.

The nerve fibers have to reactivate themselves, and they won't do

it if he keeps squishing them by playing guitar.



  After the rest cure, moderation will be the key to preventing a

recurrence.  Interrupt the practice sessions with frequent rest

periods, maybe cut back on the finger-pounding flamenco ... pay

attention to the fingers and don't overuse them to the point of

numbness again.



   Also, have another guitar player critique his posture and

playing position: he may be doing something awkward in the

fingering that puts extra stress on that hand  in the way bad

computer posture makes carpal tunnel worse.



  I have seen sites on the Web with advice for musicians with

these problems.  Apparently it isn't rare.  Try looking through

the health listings YAhoo for "repetetive stress".



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: greenway@execulink.com (Gary Hunter)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:30:57 GMT

--------

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:44:07 -0500, Kenneth Morrison

<kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:



Kelly:

I have twice suffered  similar symptoms (weakness and numbness in my

left hand) and I understand the frustration when trying to form chords

and fret notes on the guitar. Unfortunately, the more one tries to

overcome this the worse it gets. I found that the best solution is to

give the instrument a rest for a few weeks and allow some healing to

take place.

Of course your hubby should seek some professional advice to identify

the root cause of his problem.

Best Regards

Gary Hunter  





>Good Day all,

>I'm not sure if I'm in the right place for this, but perhaps I could get

>a reference or an opinion on this situation:  My man is a guitar player,

>a pretty good one at that. He plays an acoustic 12-string and a

>classical acoustic 6-string guitar.  He loves to play ballads and many

>intricate pieces, for instance Segovia. He has been playing for about 12

>years self taught by countless books. But now he's facing a very

>frustrating problem: His pinky finger on the left hand is numb he thinks

>a pinched nerve, he claims the source is in the area where his funny

>bone is-right in the crevice of his bent elbow.  He gets so mad at it

>sometimes that he slams his hand of off things with the expectation that

>it will never return to normal and that his pinky finger will remain

>clumsy and disoriented anytime he picks up to play.

>This frightens him that he may not be able to teach our good friend how

>to play any longer like he promised because this will stand in the way.

>I hate to see how defeated and lost he feels whenever he picks his

>guitar up and everytime he tries to practice that once co-ordinated

>finger has gone dead.

>If anyone knows anything about such a problem-the cause? the solution?

>Please help!!

>~Kelly

>







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Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 23:32:46 GMT

--------



>But now he's facing a very

>frustrating problem: His pinky finger on the left hand is numb he thinks

>a pinched nerve, he claims the source is in the area where his funny

>bone is-right in the crevice of his bent elbow.  He gets so mad at it

>sometimes that he slams his hand of off things with the expectation that

>it will never return to normal and that his pinky finger will remain

>clumsy and disoriented anytime he picks up to play



Try a Chiropractor... could be a subluxation of the Ulna-radial joint





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Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: ezekielk@mailcity.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:29:08 GMT

--------

On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:44:07 -0500, Kenneth Morrison

<kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> said:



>Good Day all,

>I'm not sure if I'm in the right place for this, but perhaps I could get

>a reference or an opinion on this situation:  My man is a guitar player,

>a pretty good one at that. He plays an acoustic 12-string and a

>classical acoustic 6-string guitar.  He loves to play ballads and many

>intricate pieces, for instance Segovia. He has been playing for about 12

>years self taught by countless books. But now he's facing a very

>frustrating problem: His pinky finger on the left hand is numb he thinks

>a pinched nerve, he claims the source is in the area where his funny

>bone is-right in the crevice of his bent elbow.



There are two "RSI" newsgroups will give you more assistance.  RSI

stands for "repetitive stress injury".  Here they are:



	misc.health.injuries.rsi.misc

	misc.health.injuries.rsi.moderated



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Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:58:37 GMT

--------

There is a carpal tunnel syndrome regimen on my web page 

that should prove beneficial



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



I don't sell anything.



turf







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To: turf@mindspring.com

Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: Scott Dunbar <appanat@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:36:59 -0400

--------

this isn' really herbal in nature

i know what it is to work hard on learning guitar, especially spanish

or flamenco style,and the pinky is an important part of this.Don't give

up the instrument on this account. you may have to adapt another method

or style of playing,but you will find pleasure in that also.the rest

may  do your pinky some good and you may be able to return to the style

you like best.

       ttfn   ian



turf wrote:



> There is a carpal tunnel syndrome regimen on my web page

> that should prove beneficial

>

> http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

>

> I don't sell anything.

>

> turf











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Subject: Re: pinched nerve in arm-is it goodbye guitar?

From: "Susan" <sdoweluv@eznet.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:45:17 -0500

--------

It could also be the ulnar nerve in the elbow.  I had it and with physical

therapy it's ok now.  Just have to keep remembering not to put my elbows on

the table.



Susan



turf wrote in message <6ajjla$b69@camel21.mindspring.com>...

>There is a carpal tunnel syndrome regimen on my web page

>that should prove beneficial

>

>http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

>

>I don't sell anything.

>

>turf

>









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Subject: Delayed mense

From: Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:53:23 -0500

--------

Hello,

I'm wondering how well Pennyroyal works on a delayed mense. I also have

a very bad cold at the moment- I assume that may cause the delay as

well. Also, How much is too much pennyroyal adivice or info please.

~Kelly

p.s. I understand the possibility of mistake in recieving someones

adivice and will not be foolhardy in the usage of these wonderful herbs

and natural supplements!







==========

Subject: Re: Delayed mense

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 09:51:00 -0700

--------

Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>Hello,

>I'm wondering how well Pennyroyal works on a delayed mense. I also have

>a very bad cold at the moment- I assume that may cause the delay as

>well. Also, How much is too much pennyroyal adivice or info please.

   Without knowing how delayed is "delayed" and whether on not

you might be pregnant ... I'm saying nothing in public.  

  Try a nice hot bath, follwed by a cup of peppermint/chamomile

tea with honey, and take a nap.



>p.s. I understand the possibility of mistake in recieving someones

>adivice and will not be foolhardy in the usage of these wonderful herbs

>and natural supplements!

  Some herbs, like pennyroyal and datura, are foolhardy to use in

any amount, and advising someone else without knowning health

history is also foolish.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Delayed mense

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:31 -0600

--------

Kenneth Morrison wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> I'm wondering how well Pennyroyal works on a delayed mense. I also 

> have a very bad cold at the moment- I assume that may cause the delay 

> as well. Also, How much is too much pennyroyal adivice or info please.

> ~Kelly

> p.s. I understand the possibility of mistake in recieving someones

> adivice and will not be foolhardy in the usage of these wonderful 

> herbs and natural supplements!



The cold *can* wreack a delay in your cycle, as *all* of your mucosa

will be affected, not just the respiratory tract.  [I.e., you may also

be noting digestive effects.]  YMMV.



"How well Pennyroyal works..."  It doesn't, unless you can count.  

And if the standard tincture dose doesn't work, a higher dose or

concentration won't work either.



-Kyra





==========

To: Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Subject: Re: Delayed mense

From: Donna Smith-Whitty <donnaf@netdoor.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:20:48 -0600

--------

Couple of things to consider:  It's important to try to determine the

cause of delayed cycles before treating it.  Perhaps you have done this

already, but I had to mention it.  Second, penny royal can be a bit harsh

on your body.  If you are certain that the delay is caused by a cold or

stress or something else which has weakened your body thus throwing its

natural cycle off, then you might want to simply treat these issues

instead of trying one of the herbs designed to start menstruation.  Penny

royal can induce abortion and can result in complications for the mother,

and should never be used without the supervision of a knowledgable

practitioner.  Recommended dose is one tablespoon of dried herb to eight

ounces of warm water once a day.  Do not take for more than a week at a

time.  



I recommend lots of good research before taking penny royal or anything

else.  Try Rosemary Gladstar's "Healing for Women".  Good luck.



Peace and Hope,



Donna



On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Kenneth Morrison wrote:



> Hello,

> I'm wondering how well Pennyroyal works on a delayed mense. I also have

> a very bad cold at the moment- I assume that may cause the delay as

> well. Also, How much is too much pennyroyal adivice or info please.

> ~Kelly

> p.s. I understand the possibility of mistake in recieving someones

> adivice and will not be foolhardy in the usage of these wonderful herbs

> and natural supplements!

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Colonics

From: stellapr@aol.com (Stellapr)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 20:31:21 GMT

--------

Has anyone ever tried colonics for detoxification?  I found a lady who does

them but she charges $45.  Are coffee enemas equal to this?  How about the

colon cleansers at the health food store.  Diane





==========

Subject: Re: Colonics

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 11 Jan 1998 21:01:56 GMT

--------



>Has anyone ever tried colonics for detoxification?  I found a lady who does



Colonics is the best for detoxifying the large intestine. One treatment usually

isn't enough to accomplish the needed affect. Generally speaking a series of

5-7 treatments is best. Colonic treatments will clean the entire large

intestine all the way to the ileocecal valve(end of small intestine and where

lg intestine begins) BEWARE: There are many  contraindictions,or when this

treatment should not be done. Crohn's disease, Diverticulosis, Ulcerative

Colitis just to name a few. Make sure that the person giving this treatment is

LICSENED! A specialized machine that injects water at about 1/4 lb of pressure

is used. This machine costs about $6000.00. Be very very careful. If the person

giving the treatment doesn't know what they are doing, they could rupture the

large intestine.

I don't feel that the store bought products come anywhere close to the

beneifits of actuall colonic irrigation.

Kerry



.>Are coffee enemas equal to this?

 In my experience,No. But they will light you up like a christmas tree!









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Subject: Re: Colonics

From: dlou1934@aol.com (DLou1934)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 19:42:45 GMT

--------

>>Are coffee enemas equal to this?

> In my experience,No. But they will light you up like a christmas tree!

>

>

Hilarious!!



Colonics are one thing--coffee enemas quite another.  Coffee enemas are for

clearing toxins, by causing liver/bile ducts to dilate and purge the liver of

whatever is causing the various toxic symptoms.  Since I have been doing coffee

enemas, I no longer ever need pain medication of any kind.  I have been taking

herbs (black walnut, wormwood, and cloves) the past 8-9 months to kill

parasites. Without the coffee enemas to help the liver purge itself of dead

parasites and other debis, I believe I would have been dead or wished I were

long ago!!  The coffee enema  ingredients are absorbed into the blood stream,

as it is retained in the colon 10-20 minutes, and then used by the liver, where

liver/bile ducts dilate, etc.    It  is an integral part of the Gerson Therapy

http://gerson.org/.  There are books out there on GersonTherapy in most health

food stores. The coffee enema is becoming an important adjunct in many

therapies, not only for the treatment of cancer and other chronic diseases.  My

MD and acupuncturist both include coffee enemas as part of their personal

programs for detoxing their own bodies at regular intervals. My primary

diagnosis is chronic hepatitis C.  Donna B. 





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems/SINUS INFECTION CURE!

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 11 Jan 1998 22:06:21 GMT

--------



Sharon D Ward wrote in message ...

>Can somebody please help me?  My husband suffers from bad sinus problems

>and I remember reading about herbal relief for this problem in this ng.



Dear Sharon,



I have very bad sinuses, and after the results of many expensive tests was

told that only surgery could help me.   I used to have to take antibiotics

approximately three times a year for this problem.    Since I discovered the

following regimen and herbs, I have not needed antibiotic therapy now for

over three years.    For me this has been a big success!!!!!!



First of all, buy the following herbs in tincture form;



Golden Seal

Astragalus

Echinacea

Nettle



The dosages may vary.   In a REALLY severe situation I have taken up to 20

drops of each of these herbs in a small shot glass of water and sipped it as

often as three or four times a day.    At other less severe times, 12 drops

of each has done the job, and just at bedtime only.



Also..... buy saline solution in a spray and both morning and evening spray

nostrils and blow your nose to clear of dust, allergens and other

pollutants.   Just this alone is a big help.   Be sure to replace the bottle

from time to time, you can reinfect yourself with an old bottle.



Cut out Dairy products.   They seem to have a definite irritating effect on

sinus problems.



Try to limit your exposure to dust and fumes and pollen and other irritants.



Note;  As to the effects of each of the herbs shown above...... The Golden

Seal is an immune system booster, as are the Echinacea and Astragalus.   But

the Golden Seal also has a way of opening up the passageways.    I always

take it when I have a chest cold or stuffy nose.    The Nettle is an

antihistimine.



This has worked for me incredibly well, and after years of dealing only with

antibiotics and drugs, the herbal stuff has been very freeing, since it is

so very effective and you don't need to continue it for a certain 'dose' of

so many days like antibiotics, and you don't need a prescription either.



When your symptoms recede you can stop taking the herbs till you need them

again.



The other good thing I notice about it, is that the next day, your nose will

be just a bit runny, in a very natural sense, not like having a cold or

something.



I would strongly suggest that if you really have a chronic recurrent problem

with these kind of infections you should also go through the necessary

diagnostics and see a specialist because there are other things, such as

polyps, which really DO require surgery as the only recourse.



Good Luck,

Evelyn









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Subject: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: "DESIREE TROXEL" <troxels@bji.net>

Date: 11 Jan 1998 22:41:53 GMT

--------

HELLO MY NAME IS DESIREE TROXEL.

I AM JUST STARTING TO GROW AN HERB GARDEN AND I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF

THE BEST KINDS OF HERBS TO GROW ARE.

PLEASE HELP.

DESIREE

-- 

THE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE CANNOTBE SOLVED AT THE SAME

LEVEL OF THINKING WE WERE AT WHEN WE CREATED THEM.....A.E.





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Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:18:17 GMT

--------

In article <01bd1eaf$f1c26180$47d2bfce@default>, "DESIREE TROXEL" <troxels@bji.net> wrote:

>HELLO MY NAME IS DESIREE TROXEL.

>I AM JUST STARTING TO GROW AN HERB GARDEN AND I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF

>THE BEST KINDS OF HERBS TO GROW ARE.

>PLEASE HELP.

>DESIREE



Sssshhh! Not so loud! Posting a message in all caps is the equivalent of 

shouting, Desiree. I've been studying and growing herbs for quite a 

while. It all depends on where you live, how much time you want to put 

into a garden and for what purposes. Culinary? Medicinal? Decorative? 

Religious? Do you know what zone you live in? Check the Sunset Western 

Gardening book or your local university agriculture extension office. Do 

you know what kind of soil you have? Is it sandy, clayish or somewhere 

in-between? Is it acidic soil? (there are tests to determine things 

like this) How much sun and when do you get it in what areas? Are you 

going to water by hand or do you have an irrigation system in mind? As 

you can see, an answer to your question requires much more information. 

I'd start with checking up on your growing zone, soil type, sun and 

water availability. Then figure on what you want to use the herbs for 

most. Look into the gardening section at your local library for basic 

information on herbs. Check out magazines such as The Herb Companion. 

Scope out nurseries in your area that carry a lot of herbs. Then 

come back to the Internet when you know what you've got and what you 

want or can't find answers anywhere else. Good luck!



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: William Groth <groth@ruf.rice.edu>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:28:47 -0600

--------

I agree with C. L. in that we can help you a lot more if you tell us where you live and if

possible what USDA zone or Sunset zone you are in.  If you give us a thumb nail sketch

of the space you have available and what aspects you are interested in it will also help us

to guide you.



Good luck on this new endeavor



C.L. Getz wrote:



> In article <01bd1eaf$f1c26180$47d2bfce@default>, "DESIREE TROXEL" <troxels@bji.net> wrote:

> >HELLO MY NAME IS DESIREE TROXEL.

> >I AM JUST STARTING TO GROW AN HERB GARDEN AND I NEED TO KNOW WHAT SOME OF

> >THE BEST KINDS OF HERBS TO GROW ARE.

> >PLEASE HELP.

> >DESIREE

>

> Sssshhh! Not so loud! Posting a message in all caps is the equivalent of

>



        (SNIP)



> Scope out nurseries in your area that carry a lot of herbs. Then

> come back to the Internet when you know what you've got and what you

> want or can't find answers anywhere else. Good luck!

>

> C.L. Getz

>

> Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.











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Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: allyrica@aol.com (Allyrica)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:51:54 GMT

--------

I too, would like to grow some herbs for medicinal and cosmetic purposes.  I

live in the Northeast (Massachusetts) and have a moderate front porch, open

(not enclosed),  I will be growing flowers in windowboxes attached to the

porch, but can have a stand with room for some clay pots or even boes.  Any

ideas for a starter project?  Can I start the seeds inside?



Thanks!



Ally





==========

Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: allyrica@aol.com (Allyrica)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:51:54 GMT

--------

I too, would like to grow some herbs for medicinal and cosmetic purposes.  I

live in the Northeast (Massachusetts) and have a moderate front porch, open

(not enclosed),  I will be growing flowers in windowboxes attached to the

porch, but can have a stand with room for some clay pots or even boes.  Any

ideas for a starter project?  Can I start the seeds inside?



Thanks!



Ally





==========

Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:48:21 -0500

--------

C.L. Getz wrote in message <34bfc6ce.0@news3.ibm.net>...

>Hi, Ally,

>

>First things to remember is that most herbs want lots of sun, not-too

>rich soil and good drainage.



Sorry, I just have to jump in here.  This is a good recommendation for many

(but not all) of the common *culinary* herbs, many of which were

transplanted to this country by immigrants from the Mediterranean areas of

Europe and the Middle East.  On the other hand, many of the most widely used

medicinal herbs require rich, moist soils along with some protection form

the sun, or even rather dense shade.  Ginseng, Golden Seal, Yellowroot, many

of the Angelicas - the list goes on.  One reasonable way to determine the

needs of the plant you wish to grow is to look at the area of origin.  Many

species from eastern North America, Japan, and large parts of China are

natives of wooded areas, thriving in rich moist forest soils in shade.  The

same is true of species from the Pacific Northwest of North America.  Some

of the species from the Western states require dry, alkaline conditions for

best development, and many even have *altitude* requirements and will not do

well when grown too close to sea level or too high in mountains.  Many herbs

that can be coaxed to survive outside of their own optimal conditions may be

lacking in the very compounds they are being grown for, just as the aromatic

culinary herbs would if grown in too much shade or pushed by rich soil to

make too much foliage at the expense of the oils that make them desireable.



Of course, I'm talking mostly about commercial or large private plots.

Growing specimens in pots is worthwile if only for the experience, and I

have quite an number of plants growing this way which have absolutely no

business surviving in north central Florida.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:23:38 -0500

--------

Allyrica wrote in message <19980115215100.QAA05856@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>I too, would like to grow some herbs for medicinal and cosmetic purposes.

I

>live in the Northeast (Massachusetts) and have a moderate front porch, open

>(not enclosed),  I will be growing flowers in windowboxes attached to the

>porch, but can have a stand with room for some clay pots or even boes.  Any

>ideas for a starter project?  Can I start the seeds inside?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Ally



Ally, can you give us a little better idea of just what uses you want the

herbs for?  Many of us can give you a list of herbs for a sunny flowerbox,

but there's no guarentee you'll find them useful.



Two notes (and common mistakes) on windowsill growing.  First, windowsill

gardens (and pot gardens in general) dry out very quickly in the summer sun.

There are *very* few plants of any kind that will take the alternate

drenching and drying-to-dust soil conditions commonly encountered in pots in

the sun.  Second, plants grown in pots outdoors (especially elevated on a

sill) are under entirely different temperature conditions than those same

plants grown in the ground.  The soil in pots exposed to the sun can quickly

reach killing temperatures in the summer; the same soil in a pot above

ground can be many degrees colder in the winter than the ground temperature

nearby.  To be successful, you must find some way to insulate pots against

the extremes of temperature and moisture, preferably by removing or covering

them in extreme weather.  If you are using a large windowbox, don't fill the

whole box with soil for planting.  Instead, place individual pots in the

windowbox and surround them with an insulator like sphagnum moss.  This will

help shield the plants roots from the heat of direct sun, and make it easier

to concentrate water where it's needed.  It will also make it easier to

replace individual plants as needed and keep the more rampant plants in

check.



My first choice for a houseplant is aloe.  I was given my aloe plant by a

friend 23 years ago, and I still have the same plant in the same pot (after

*many* cuttings, snips, plants given away, etc.)  Since aloe should be used

in the fresh state (not dried) for burns and other skin applications, you

really can't go wrong owning one.  You *will* need to protect it from

freezing, though it will take light frosts.



Also, consider growing some mint - it takes well to container life as long

as it is not allowed to dry out (the bane of windowsill gardening!), grows

fast enough to make a small patch worthwhile, and is always available for

stomach aches, colds, or a little something extra in your iced tea (or mint

julep).  Be sure to give any mint a pot by itself - most mints are invasive

spreaders, and will crowd out anything planted with them.



Another minty relative to try is lemon balm.  This makes a soothing tea,

grows easily and rather quickly if given a fertile soil and regular

watering, and is *much* better fresh than dried.  It makes a pleasent tea,

especially when you're down with colds or flu, and will take a bit of

freezing.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: allyrica@aol.com (Allyrica)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:35:02 GMT

--------

>Ally, can you give us a little better idea of just what uses you want the

>herbs for?  Many of us can give you a list of herbs for a sunny flowerbox,

>but there's no guarentee you'll find them useful.



What great information in your post!  Many thanks!  I do have two aloe plants

that I keep inside the house.  The others that you mention sound perfect for

starters (I do NOT have a green thumb :)  )  and I wasn't looking for anything

'serious'  I will take your advice, and start with those..if I come across any

more that I would like to try, I will post back to get your thoughts!  I have

benefited from all of your posts!  Thank you!



Ally





==========

Subject: Re: HELLO I NEED SOME HELP ON WHICH HERBS ARE THE BEST TO GROW.

From: allyrica@aol.com (Allyrica)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 02:13:48 GMT

--------

>Good luck,

>C.L. Getz



Thank you so much for your help! I will try your suggestions!



Ally





==========

Subject: Using cloves to stop toothache

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:39:31 -0500

--------

It really works!  I put some whole cloves in hot water and  and swooshed

around the aggravated tooth repeatedly, Although it doesn't taste good

and it is not a cure for tooth decay; it did relieve the pain.

P.S. When I went to the dentist to get the tooth taken care of, he put

in a temporary filling, and low and behold I tasted the familiar taste

of cloves! When I asked him what was in the filling. He said that it was

a medicated filling, and the active ingredient was infact Cloves!!





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Subject: Re: Using cloves to stop toothache

From: kath801@aol.com (Kath801)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 01:02:37 GMT

--------

MsRight said:>When I asked him what was in the filling. He said that it was

>a medicated filling, and the active ingredient was infact Cloves!!



Cloves or clove oil is a great/easy/common toothache remedy which I've used

myself with wonderful (and sanity-while-working-that-long-shift) results

although I've never enjoyed walking around smelling like a ham. :)  FWIW,

chewing on an aspirin has also helped in a pinch although it tastes like hell.

I read that willow bark can also help-chewing it releases the salycitates (sp)

-and we've got a tree in the back yard but I haven't yet had the nerve to go

out and pick off a chunk and pop it in my mouth to give it a try.



kathy









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Subject: Re: Using cloves to stop toothache

From: herblady@zippo.com. (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:56:54 GMT

--------

I have recommended this cure to people for over 25 years, and it works

every time.



The clove used is that of garlic!!!  Simply peel a clove and tuck in

between the painful tooth and your cheek. Many say the pain goes away

in 10 minutes or less. The garlic also fights any infection until you

can get to a dentist.



********************************************************

Anya  {{{*_*}}} Herblady@zippo.com RAW#629

Organic Gardening Magazine writer

Bob Marley sez -- "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





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Subject: Re: Using cloves to stop toothache

From: "Turner" <saturner@inetnebr.com>

Date: 12 Jan 1998 21:01:21 GMT

--------

Hi Kathy:

  I would be hesitant to suck on an aspirin tablet (salicylic acid can eat

away tooth enamel!)  But yes, clove oil and it's constituents is an active

ingredient in Novocaine, as well as the temporary fillings the dentists

use.  Cloves (from eugenia spp.) can also be chewed to relieve some of the

pain until you can get to a dentist.







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Subject: Re: Using cloves to stop toothache

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:38:31 -0500

--------

>Marion wrote in message <69bl7j$j2s$1@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>P.S. When I went to the dentist to get the tooth taken care of, he put

>in a temporary filling, and low and behold I tasted the familiar taste

>of cloves! When I asked him what was in the filling. He said that it was

>a medicated filling, and the active ingredient was infact Cloves!!



Actually, they'll usually tell you it's Eugenol.  That's the main

constituent in Oil of Cloves.



-RJO











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Subject: Stuttering and the use of hypnosis

From: timark@monmouth.com

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:42:18 -0600

--------

Interested in anyone who has used hypnosis, and their experiences. 

Thanks very much. D.B. timark@monmouth.com



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Subject: Re: sinus problems and avoiding dairy

From: "Carol Wyche" <cjwyche@io.com>

Date: 11 Jan 98 19:01:21 -0600

--------

He's now back in Jersey, and I'm off dairy

>and slowly getting back to normal......we've decided to try

>the lattes with non-dairy creamer!!



You might also try them with soy milk.  I've found it the

best substitute in coffee drinks and in cooking and baking. 

Rice milk tends to curdle.  Soy milk doesn't curdle, but

some brands have a bitter aftertaste when you drink 

them. That's covered up when they're mixed with other

things.



I've been dairy free for a couple of years now, and am in

the midst of my first bad cold in two years - non dairy and

echinacea notwithstanding - this is a doozy.



Carol







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Subject: toenail fungus need cure

From: gmarr@intergate.bc.ca (Gracie Marr)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 01:41:12 GMT

--------

This is a tough one! I have had toenail fungus for as long as I can 

remember....the prescription drugs are way too expensive as you have to 

take them for 6 months...I have tried tea tree oil, but have not seen a 

change in 2 months, nor in the new growth....any ideas?







==========

Subject: Re: toenail fungus need cure

From: "Mike Freeland" <michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:53:05 GMT

--------

I had a condition where my nails separated, like pages in a book, starting

at the tip of the nail.  I asked my

doctor referred to it a s a fungus and suggested tincture of iodine.  That

did the trick for me.  I got the de-colorized kind.



Mike Freeland

Michael.e.freeland@ROUNDFILE.boeing.com

Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

Sorry for the inconvenience.



Gracie Marr <gmarr@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in article

<69bsbo$gf9$1@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>...

> This is a tough one! I have had toenail fungus for as long as I can 

> remember....the prescription drugs are way too expensive as you have to 

> take them for 6 months...I have tried tea tree oil, but have not seen a 

> change in 2 months, nor in the new growth....any ideas?

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: toenail fungus need cure

From: "tjohnson" <tjohnson@XXXop9.com>

Date: 13 Jan 1998 01:55:53 GMT

--------

Any thing you do to get the nail fungus is going to take a long time - in

fact - about 1 year for the new fungus free nail to grow all the way out. 

The least expensive way to get it is with apple vinegar.  Wheather you use

the tea tree oil, or the apple vinegar - you will need to apply to all

toenails and any infected fingernails, being sure to coate the base of the

nails.   You will need to apply morning and night.   If you miss one - yes

I said (1) application, it's just like starting over.  That fungus is one

tough cookie, so you have to stay with it til there are no signs at all,

then another couple of months for good measure.  Go without shoes as much

as possible while treating.   It want be fun - but look at the good looking

nails you'll have in about a year.  Tom  (remove the XXX to email me)



Gracie Marr <gmarr@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in article

<69bsbo$gf9$1@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>...

> This is a tough one! I have had toenail fungus for as long as I can 

> remember....the prescription drugs are way too expensive as you have to 

> take them for 6 months...I have tried tea tree oil, but have not seen a 

> change in 2 months, nor in the new growth....any ideas?

> 

> 





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Subject: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Dale" <dale@piqld.com.au>

Date: 12 Jan 1998 02:42:52 GMT

--------

Hello,

	Could anyone give me any information regarding the growing of

herbs and soil types etc.



Thank you





Dale.



dale@piqld.com.au





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Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 05:32:00 -0700

--------

"Dale" <dale@piqld.com.au> wrote:



>Hello,

>	Could anyone give me any information regarding the growing of

>herbs and soil types etc.

  Try your local library for local gardening books: Australia has

several distinct regions, and it makes a BIG difference where you

live in that place.

  Echinacea (purple coneflower) likes rather dry conditions such

as found on the American praries, but not desert ... probably

would grow like a weed in Sidney and die in the outback unless

watered.

  Figure out what your climate is, and you can grow herbs from

areas of similar climates easily.  Herbs from different climates

would require pampering or won't grow.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:33:30 -0500

--------



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34bc6ad6.1040663@news.primenet.com>...

>  Figure out what your climate is, and you can grow herbs from

>areas of similar climates easily.  Herbs from different climates

>would require pampering or won't grow.

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com





That's also true of temperature and, in some cases, daylength requirements.

I live in Florida and, while I would dearly love to grow Panax Ginseng, the

heat and humidity pretty much preclude success.  There are other plants

which will never flower or fruit here simply because they are triggered by

specific changes in the length of daylight which occurs in Northern climes;

I would have to use a mechanized shade and a timer to get these to bloom

here.



At the same time, there have been some real surprises.  I planted Ho Shou Wu

(Fo Ti, Polygonum multiflorum), which I believe originates in northern

China, at the base of a trellis on my patio in poor Florida sand and full

summer sun; it has virtually taken over the trellis and makes roots wherever

it finds ground, spreading into the driveway and even competing with the

lawn grasses.  You never can tell until you try.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Lois Chadwell Cruz" <lcruz@neumedia.net>

Date: 13 Jan 1998 16:54:49 GMT

--------

I've grown echinacea in clay soil (zone 5) and in loamy soil (zone 6), and

it's done just fine in both places. It likes full sun, and can take the

heat and drought of hot summers. It's really very easy to grow and spreads

rapidly.  Lois  lcruz@neumedia.net



Dale <dale@piqld.com.au> wrote in article 

> 	Could anyone give me any information regarding the growing of

> herbs and soil types etc.

 





==========

Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:03:49 -0500

--------

Lois Chadwell Cruz wrote in message

<01bd205d$98e16e80$d213c0d0@hpcustomer>...

>I've grown echinacea in clay soil (zone 5) and in loamy soil (zone 6), and

>it's done just fine in both places. It likes full sun, and can take the

>heat and drought of hot summers. It's really very easy to grow and spreads

>rapidly.  Lois  lcruz@neumedia.net

>





I'm curious, Lois - was that Echinacea *purpurea*, Echinacea *angustifolia*,

or Echinacea *pallida*?



Echinacea purpurea is the kind commonly grown as a garden ornamental, and if

you buy seeds or plants from general garden catalogs you will get this one.

There have been a number of large-flowered forms developed, as well as some

color variations from the typical purplish-pink.  E. purpurea is valued

medicinally for it's leaves; to my knowledge the root is not used.  Much of

the European research has concentrated on the leaves of this species.  It is

considered easy to grow in most soils, and it is partly for this reason that

many commercial Echinacea preparations use this species.



Echinacea angustifolia and E. pallida are natives to the American Plains.

These are the species that were used by the Sioux and other American Indian

tribes, and the "original" Echinacea adopted into white medical practise.

The root of both species is the part used.  It is very aromatic (in contrast

to the root of E. purpurea, which has little or no smell).  Both species are

difficult to germinate and are very finicky as to soil requirements, and a

real challange to the average gardener.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Virgil H. Huston Jr." <huston@angel-net.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:30:15 -0500

--------

My understanding is that E. purpurea is medicinally active in the roots

and is used just like E. augustifolia. The differences are that is it

slightly less effective medicinally, is easier to grow and is cheaper. I

think the real reason it is used so much is that it is MUCH less

expensive than augustifolia.



Virgil

Lois Chadwell Cruz wrote:

> 

> Richard J. Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in article

> <69jcm3$46a@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

> >

> > I'm curious, Lois - was that Echinacea *purpurea*, Echinacea

> *angustifolia*,

> > or Echinacea *pallida*?

> >

> 

> It is Echinacea angustifolia, or at least was sold as such-- I bought a few

> plants several years ago from a small harb farm in NE Ohio specifically for

> my medicinal herb garden. Many of the plants never did thrive-- I was

> cursed with heavy clay soil that no amount of compost could lighten-- but

> the echinacea seemed to. When I moved to West Virginia last year, I dug

> them up, divided them, gave several plants to my mother and still had all I

> needed. The soil here is much "loamier" (is that a word?)--easier for me to

> work--but the echinacea has done well here, too.

> 

> I use Richter's as the source for most of my herb seed purchases, and had

> read in their catalogue that E. angustifolia was difficult to germinate, so

> I looked for the plants. After reading your excellent post, however, I'm

> wondering if I might have been the victim of mis-labelling? I have used the

> roots of this echinacea-- in the fall I dig some roots(I skipped it this

> year, to give them time to multiply), dry them and make a "cold tea" for my

> family: equal parts elderflower, peppermint, yarrow & echinacea root-- and

> since I haven't had any other species with which to compare these roots, I

> don't know if they are properly "aromatic" or not, but it hasn't seemed to

> hurt us!

> 

> I would love to hear more from you regarding this subject... Lois in WV

> lcruz@neumedia.net





==========

Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:41:12 -0500

--------



wl-ski wrote in message ...

> p> Both species are difficult to germinate and are very finicky as to

> p> soil requirements, and a real challange to the average gardener.

> p> -RJO

>

>While I certainly wouldn't disagree with you, RJO, I can tell you that

>if you have a nice piece of concrete available to you, you will have no

>trouble meeting the "very finicky" soil requirements for Echinacea

>agustifolia    :)  We live in the native regi

>on for that one and I can

>tell you first hand that the average soil, here in Oklahoma, is just

>about that... concrete!  Still, it volunteers quite nicely, here.

>Can't speak for any other place (for that particular one).





Ah, well.  I've had almost no luck growing E. angustifolia here in Florida

in very sandy soil, nor did I have much better luck in Georgia, in red clay.

I still maintain that E. angustifolia and E. palida are finicky growers, and

you prove it by saying you live in the native region for that species.  It

all depends on the conditions the plants evolved in and are adapted to

survive.  For instance, desert plants generally can't take humidity or

acidic soils, while plants of the Eastern US have hard going in the alkaline

soils of the dry states.  Don't assume that just because you have soil that

would kill Kudzu, it means it's not just perfect for some other plants.  I

have read several places that one reason E. purpurea was researched more in

Europe than the other species was because it was *so* much easier to grow

there.  In fact, it can mean the difference between whether a plantation can

be commercially successful or a financial disaster.



When I lived in Georgia, near Athens, I used to love the beautiful blue

cornflowers that sprang up along the roadsides every spring, but no matter

what I try I can't get them established here in Gainesville, Florida, one

state away!  And then sometimes there are some real surprises; there is a

species of phlox (P. drummondi) native to Texas and some surrounding states

that was introduced here some years ago as a garden flower.  Since then it

has gone on to carpet vacant fields and roadsides over the whole of north

central Florida, covering the area with a carpet of astonishingly vibrant

pinks, reds, violets and white for several months in the late spring and

summer.  Nature is strange and wonderful, no?



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:56:45 -0500

--------

Lois Chadwell Cruz wrote in message

<01bd21e7$e1b15860$cf13c0d0@hpcustomer>...

>

>

>Richard J. Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in article

><69jcm3$46a@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>>

>> I'm curious, Lois - was that Echinacea *purpurea*, Echinacea

>*angustifolia*,

>> or Echinacea *pallida*?

>>

>

>It is Echinacea angustifolia, or at least was sold as such-- I bought a few

>plants several years ago from a small harb farm in NE Ohio specifically for

>my medicinal herb garden. Many of the plants never did thrive-- I was

>cursed with heavy clay soil that no amount of compost could lighten-- but

>the echinacea seemed to. When I moved to West Virginia last year, I dug

>them up, divided them, gave several plants to my mother and still had all I

>needed. The soil here is much "loamier" (is that a word?)--easier for me to

>work--but the echinacea has done well here, too.

>

>I use Richter's as the source for most of my herb seed purchases, and had

>read in their catalogue that E. angustifolia was difficult to germinate, so

>I looked for the plants. After reading your excellent post, however, I'm

>wondering if I might have been the victim of mis-labelling? I have used the

>roots of this echinacea-- in the fall I dig some roots(I skipped it this

>year, to give them time to multiply), dry them and make a "cold tea" for my

>family: equal parts elderflower, peppermint, yarrow & echinacea root-- and

>since I haven't had any other species with which to compare these roots, I

>don't know if they are properly "aromatic" or not, but it hasn't seemed to

>hurt us!

>

>I would love to hear more from you regarding this subject... Lois in WV

>lcruz@neumedia.net

>



My first real experiance with Echinacea was many years ago (around 1975),

long before Echinacea became the popular medicine it is today.  A friend of

mine had gotten a bad case of poison ivy, which covered her hands and most

of her arms and was spreading (becoming systemic, with random outbreaks all

over her body).  I remembered reading in Grieve's "A Modern Herbal" (which I

had been given several years earlier) and another book on American Indian

uses of herbs that Echinacea angustifolia was considered a powerful blood

purifier by the tribes of the Western plains.  I was able to get ahold of

some of the root and made a strong infusion, which I had my friend drink.

Amazingly, all signs of the ivy poisoning were gone within two days!  I'm

still not sure how it worked, since most of the research on Echinacea I've

seen since then has focused on it's immune system-enhancing effects, but I

have no doubt that's what worked, as she was only using Calomine lotion as

an application to the worst spots, and the rash was large and still

spreading.  Notably, the first reaction she had to the echinacea root tea

(besides the flavor, which she described as unusual but pleasant) was a

rather rapid decrease in the itching.  I remember being fascinated at the

time by the flavor of the root tea, with it's earthy base and aromatic

fragrance, and the slight but noticable numbing effect on the tongue.  When

I went back to the same store later to purchase more, I was sold E. purpurea

root as a substitute, and I remember my distinct disappointment at the dull,

muddy taste and complete lack of numbing effect.  When I had reason to use

the E. purpurea tea for another poison ivy case, it had no discernable

effect.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:20:01 -0700

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



(snipped: he geve echinacea tea to a poison ivy victim)

>Amazingly, all signs of the ivy poisoning were gone within two days!  I'm

>still not sure how it worked, since most of the research on Echinacea I've

>seen since then has focused on it's immune system-enhancing effects, but I

>have no doubt that's what worked, as she was only using Calomine lotion as

>an application to the worst spots,

   Interesting ... it might act to decrease the activity of some

of the immune cells that are releasing the histamines that create

the itching and rash.  I have noticed that it diminishes my

allergies.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Growing herbs - Echinacea

From: luke <lchadw1@uic.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:15:21 -0600

--------

Richard J. Ogden wrote:

>  I was sold E. purpurea

> root as a substitute, and I remember my distinct disappointment at the dull,

> muddy taste and complete lack of numbing effect.  



E. purpurea root has a distinct numbing sensation on the tongue when it

is masticated (chewed).





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Subject: Questions on Dessicated Liver

From: sabisabi@webtv.net (heather)

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:02:34 -0500

--------

I saw it in the healthfood store and I'm wondering what exactly it is?

And What is It used For? If it is infact some form of liver, is it safe

to take? I would wonder since the purpose of the liver is to filter out

toxins from the body, wouldn't this liver extract carry those same

toxins?





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Subject: Re: Questions on Dessicated Liver

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:34:55 GMT

--------

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:02:34 -0500, sabisabi@webtv.net (heather)

wrote:



>I saw it in the healthfood store and I'm wondering what exactly it is?

>And What is It used For? If it is infact some form of liver, is it safe

>to take? I would wonder since the purpose of the liver is to filter out

>toxins from the body, wouldn't this liver extract carry those same

>toxins?



It's finely ground liver. Not much use nutritionally apart from a high

iron content. No more harmful than any other form of liver.

--

Steve

-----------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk

  Author of NeuroDiet - neural network diet planner





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Subject: Re: Questions on Dessicated Liver

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 05:35:00 -0700

--------

sabisabi@webtv.net (heather) wrote:



>I saw it in the healthfood store and I'm wondering what exactly it is?



It is freeze-dried, powdered liver.  Bleaaagh



>And What is It used For?

Supposedly cures all sorts of stuff.  It's repoutation was

established when iron-deficiency was a serious problem.  It's

really high in iron.  I'd rather take pills!



>to take? I would wonder since the purpose of the liver is to filter out

>toxins from the body, wouldn't this liver extract carry those same

>toxins?

The liver converts toxins to safer compounds, or kicks them out

into the bile.  Ammonia converts to urea, for example, which the

kidneys can excrete.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Question on gotu kola

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:20:31 GMT

--------

I've been lurking for a while now on this n/g,and occasionally tossing

comments out...  I am absolutely delighted to find what I thought to be a

mythical beast - a n/g that's *not* 1000 messages a day/and or

troll-infested, and that is actually of interest to me!  With a name like

alt.folklore.herbs, I was hoping for more actual folklore and simple kitchen

herbalism (I'm really a "grandma's kitchen" type, rarely using procesed herb

preparations - though I'm popping a lot of Ricola echinacea-honey cough

drops at the moment! *sniffle*) but I am learning a lot, and I'm loving it!



On to the question - I recently visited a Jamaican grocer's booth at a local

open-air farmer's market and found a nice variety of dried herbs by the

ounce, and blew a fair amount of money there. Among the rose hips, comfrey,

and other familar herbs that I bought, I tossed in an ounce of gotu kola -

I've references to it, and am always interested in expanding my range of

knowledge, but I can't find a lot of information about it. So, what is this

stuff good for?



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: Question on gotu kola

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:40:01 GMT

--------

Dan & Beth Harper (aharper1@bellsouth.net) wrote:

:I've been lurking for a while now on this n/g,and occasionally tossing

:comments out...  I am absolutely delighted to find what I thought to be a

:mythical beast - a n/g that's *not* 1000 messages a day/and or

:troll-infested, and that is actually of interest to me!  With a name like

:alt.folklore.herbs, I was hoping for more actual folklore and simple kitchen

:herbalism (I'm really a "grandma's kitchen" type, rarely using procesed herb

:preparations - though I'm popping a lot of Ricola echinacea-honey cough

:drops at the moment! *sniffle*) but I am learning a lot, and I'm loving it!

:

:On to the question - I recently visited a Jamaican grocer's booth at a local

:open-air farmer's market and found a nice variety of dried herbs by the

:ounce, and blew a fair amount of money there. Among the rose hips, comfrey,

:and other familar herbs that I bought, I tossed in an ounce of gotu kola -

:I've references to it, and am always interested in expanding my range of

:knowledge, but I can't find a lot of information about it. So, what is this

:stuff good for?

:

:Beth

:

:



Concentration, mood, confidence, conviviality, mental energy, all without

making you nervous, or feeling 'speedy' like coffee and sometimes Ginkgo do. 



Try it - you'll like it. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Question on gotu kola

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:04:17 -0900

--------

It's an herb tonic, considered one of the best. Used for all ailments of the mind and nerves. Many people use it to improve their learning ability by facilitating better recall. Because it acts as a blood cleanser, it strengthens the heart, balances the hormones and the nervous system and has been used to help menopausal problems in women.





GOTU KOLA

LATIN: Hydrocotyle asiatica

AKA: Indian Pennywort

   

BODILY ACTIONS: adaptogen, ADD, age spots, aging, alterative, antipyretic, antispasmodic, aphrodisiac, arteriosclerosis, astringent, blisters, blood pressure, blood purifier, brain tonic, circulation to brain, clear voice, depression, diuretic, dysentery, energy, exhaustion, fatigue, fever, headache, heart, hypoglycemia, inflammation, insomnia, learning, leg circulation, leprosy, liver, longevity, measles, memory, menopause, mental troubles, nervine, nervous breakdown, pituitary, psoriasis, rheumatism, schizophrenia, scrofula, sedative, senility, skin conditions, sore throat, spinal meningitis, stamina, stimulant, stomachic, stuttering, tonic, tonsillitis, ulceration, ulcers, varicose veins, wound healing





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Question on gotu kola

From: Matt Humphrey <mateo@baka.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:21:26 -0500

--------

Beth,

For a good informative article on Gotu Kola, there is one on the Frontier Herbs

web page:

http://www.frontierherb.com/herbs/notes/herbs.notes.no10html



I hope this helps.



Matt Humphrey





Dan & Beth Harper wrote:



> I've been lurking for a while now on this n/g,and occasionally tossing

> comments out...  I am absolutely delighted to find what I thought to be a

> mythical beast - a n/g that's *not* 1000 messages a day/and or

> troll-infested, and that is actually of interest to me!  With a name like

> alt.folklore.herbs, I was hoping for more actual folklore and simple kitchen

> herbalism (I'm really a "grandma's kitchen" type, rarely using procesed herb

> preparations - though I'm popping a lot of Ricola echinacea-honey cough

> drops at the moment! *sniffle*) but I am learning a lot, and I'm loving it!

>

> On to the question - I recently visited a Jamaican grocer's booth at a local

> open-air farmer's market and found a nice variety of dried herbs by the

> ounce, and blew a fair amount of money there. Among the rose hips, comfrey,

> and other familar herbs that I bought, I tossed in an ounce of gotu kola -

> I've references to it, and am always interested in expanding my range of

> knowledge, but I can't find a lot of information about it. So, what is this

> stuff good for?

>

> Beth











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Subject: Cleavers

From: "PaulaAnne SharkeyLemire" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 12 Jan 1998 16:02:26 GMT

--------

I have been drinking cleavers tea...when is the best time of day (or night)

to take it?  Please post!  Thanks in advance.



Paula





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Subject: does anyone know where i can get catalogs to order for herbs

From: "DESIREE TROXEL" <troxels@bji.net>

Date: 12 Jan 1998 18:54:42 GMT

--------

hello i am trying to find a catalog that sells the best seeds for herbs.

please if any info post it as a message.

desiree





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Subject: Re: does anyone know where i can get catalogs to order for herbs

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:00:17 -0500

--------

If you want seeds, the contact Johnny's Selected Seeds :

http://www.johnnyseeds.com

for plants contact Greenleaf: 800-233-0285



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

DESIREE TROXEL wrote in message <01bd1f59$5fad8680$2dd2bfce@default>...

>hello i am trying to find a catalog that sells the best seeds for herbs.

>please if any info post it as a message.

>desiree







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Subject: Re: does anyone know where i can get catalogs to order for herbs

From: Betty Cunningham <bettyc@flyinggoat.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:04:29 -0800

--------

Richter's is online and carries both plants and seeds.  they also have a very

nice catalog they can send you from their website

http://www.richters.com



Sabry Alsharkawi wrote:



> If you want seeds, contact Johnny's Selected Seeds :

> http://www.johnnyseeds.com

> for plants contact Greenleaf: 800-233-0285

>

> --

> Sabry Alsharkawi

> 6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

> Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

> Phone:  540-347-4747

> Fax:      540-347-4646

> e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

> Sabry Alsharkawi wrote in message <69eec1$9me$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

> >If you want seeds, the contact Johnny's Selected Seeds :

> >http://www.johnnyseeds.com

> >for plants contact Greenleaf: 800-233-0285

> >

> >--

> >Sabry Alsharkawi

> >6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

> >Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

> >Phone:  540-347-4747

> >Fax:      540-347-4646

> >e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

> >DESIREE TROXEL wrote in message <01bd1f59$5fad8680$2dd2bfce@default>...

> >>hello i am trying to find a catalog that sells the best seeds for herbs.

> >>please if any info post it as a message.

> >>desiree

> >











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Subject: Re: does anyone know where i can get catalogs to order for herbs

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:59:36 -0500

--------

Sabry Alsharkawi wrote in message <69efie$k11$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

>If you want seeds, contact Johnny's Selected Seeds :

>http://www.johnnyseeds.com

>for plants contact Greenleaf: 800-233-0285

>

>>DESIREE TROXEL wrote in message <01bd1f59$5fad8680$2dd2bfce@default>...

>>>hello i am trying to find a catalog that sells the best seeds for herbs.

>>>please if any info post it as a message.

>>>desiree



Have you seen the new Richters catalogue?  Mine arrived in the mail

yesterday.  They have a pretty broad selection of herbs, including

medicinals from China. You can go http://www.richters.com to view an online

catalog and place an order or have a catalog mailed to you (definitely worth

the trouble for the descriptions alone!).



Another good source of herbs (and *lots* of other seeds) is J.L. Hudson,

Star Route 2, Box 337, La Honda, California, 94020.  Snail mail only, and

the catalog is $1.00, but at the top of my list for selection, and carries

things not found elsewhere.



Other web sites offering medicinal herb seeds are:

SBE, at http://www.seedman.com.

Virtual Seeds Co. at http://www.virtualseeds.com

Horizon Herbs, at http://chatlink.com/~herbseed/Welcome.html



Hope this helps.



-RJO











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Subject: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:32:47 -0500

--------

Now I know pennyroyal tea isn't the safest thing to use in the event of

delayed mense. But is it Really "Deadly." I've gotten this message from

more than one reply back to me about using pennyroyal to bring on the

mense. not talking about the essential oil!  Please no dramatic hyped up

disclaimers, just straight facts.

Thank you,

~Kelly







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:02:05 -0500

--------

Hi Kenneth,



Pennyroyal: It has been considered dangerous to use when pregnant because it

is abortive.

However, it has been found that only the oil produced from the plant is

active in this way.

This oil, which is highly toxic, also leads to irreversible kidney damage.

Therefore it should only be prescribed by a professional.

In a hot infusion this herb has always been a favorite remedy for cold, as

it promotes  sweating. It also an antispasmodic and calamity, and is used in

minor gastric disturbances, flatulence, nausea, headaches, and menstrual

pain.

But not to be used in pregnancy or if suffering from kidney disease, also it

may cause contact dermatitis.





--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

Kenneth Morrison wrote in message <34BA9A0F.5A510E50@sprintmail.com>...

>Now I know pennyroyal tea isn't the safest thing to use in the event of

>delayed mense. But is it Really "Deadly." I've gotten this message from

>more than one reply back to me about using pennyroyal to bring on the

>mense. not talking about the essential oil!  Please no dramatic hyped up

>disclaimers, just straight facts.

>Thank you,

>~Kelly

>







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 05:51:00 -0700

--------

Kenneth Morrison <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>Now I know pennyroyal tea isn't the safest thing to use in the event of

>delayed mense. But is it Really "Deadly." I've gotten this message from

>more than one reply back to me about using pennyroyal to bring on the

>mense. not talking about the essential oil!  Please no dramatic hyped up

>disclaimers, just straight facts.



Kelly - 

   Without knowing the general health of an individual, their

recreational chemical intake, and some other factors, it would be

irresponsible to tell someone to take anything that has been

shown to be toxic without being able to control their dosage.

   The average person drinks a cup of herbal tea, waits a couple

of minutes, nothing happens, and they drink another one because

the first one "isn't working".  That can be dangerous or deadly

with some herbs.  The Materia Medica (speaking of the leaf herb,

not the oil), says deaths have been reported from the use of the

herb for suppressed menses.  Either the victim had an underlying

health problem or they overdid it.



  The Materia Medica dosage was given as "60cc of a 5% infusion

every hour."  That's 5 grams of herb infused in 100 grams (100ml)

of water.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: outoutdamnedspam@antispam.com (J & S Finnegan)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:28:14 GMT

--------

On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:32:47 -0500, Kenneth Morrison

<kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>Now I know pennyroyal tea isn't the safest thing to use in the event of

>delayed mense. But is it Really "Deadly." I've gotten this message from

>more than one reply back to me about using pennyroyal to bring on the

>mense. not talking about the essential oil!  Please no dramatic hyped up

>disclaimers, just straight facts.

>Thank you,

>~Kelly



No, it's not deadly.  I've taken dried pennyroyal in capsules several

times over the past years and am still very much alive.  My husband

took it for a cold he had a couple of months ago; he reported feeling

better and is still very much alive.  A reasonable approach to

pennyroyal is to do some reading about it (admittedly, it can be hard

to find sources that say anything other than, "Stay away, just don't

do it, in fact, don't even read this, it's that deadly!!!!") and then

use good sense when determining when to take it, how much to take and

for how long.



One place to start looking for information would be in the medicinal

FAQs that are periodically posted to this ng; if I remember correctly,

there is a discussion of pennyroyal in one of them.



Menses can be delayed from more than one reason, of course, but

assuming we have a reason to fear a late period means pregnancy, then

the best way to allay that fear is to always use

contraceptives--correctly and consistently, every single time.  Learn

how to recognize your fertile days and be extra cautious about birth

control on those days.  Then, if there is a contraceptive failure

(condom breaking, for example), you might want to reach for the

pennyroyal.  







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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 00:59:05 GMT

--------

There are two types of pennyroyal, Mentha pulegium (European pennyroyal) and

Hedeoma pulegoides (American pennyroyal). Both are classed as 2b (not to be

taken during pregnancy) by the American Herbal Product Association. The

following side-effects and toxicity information is drawn from the Association's

Botanical Safety Handbook -- a very pro-herb source, since this is an

organization whose members make the herbal products that we buy.



Most deaths reported have come from the ingestion of the essential oil, which

has a higher concentration of the causitive factor: pulegone (a liver toxin).

One death reported came from drinking an alcohol infusion of the leaves over a

two week period. Postmortem, the woman was found to have had an ectopic

pregnancy (Botanical Safety Handbook, pg 75).



So, once again, the question is not only the effects of the pennyroyal, but the

reason behind the delay of menses. If the cause is something like an ectopic

pregnancy, then pennyroyal is not the right or safe treatment to use. 



Pennyroyal poisoning, BTW, is neither silent nor painless. The signs of

toxicity include nausea, vomiting, sweating, chills, fever, headache, ringing

in the ears, low blood pressure, difficulty in swallowing, extreme thirst,

diarrhea, rapid pulse or heartbeat, muscle spasms, restlessness, drowsiness,

fatigue, and tremor. The major symptoms can include hallucinations, mania,

collapsing, convulsions, and coma. In the 1978 case most often cited, following

ingestion of one ounce of pennyroyal oil, the woman suffered two heart attacks,

liver and kidney failure, and disseminated vascular coagulation before death

(Botanical Safety Handbook, pg. 163),



The most recent case of pennyroyal poisoning in our area, reported in the

Seattle press about a year ago, the woman did not die due to quick EMT. She

simply suffered severe shock, kidney failure, and bleeding from her ears and

nose. The dosages taken or the form of pennyroyal used was not reported.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:20:18 -0600

--------

Rosemary, thank you for a most informative and *rational* post!  I get

so tired of listening to people battering the idea that pennyroyal

should be banned to save us from ourselves.  I'm going to have to

acquire this book....



To reiterate my standard position on the matter of pennyroyal:



The Dose Determines The Poison.

I do not understand how anyone could choke down an entire ounce of

pennyroyal *oil*.

A fatal dose of pennyroyal OIL may be as little as 10 drops, depending

on body mass and metabolism.  One drop, under 'normal' circumstances,

won't kill the average park ranger.... [or pickinick basket]

Pennyroyal [or any emmenagogue/purported abortifacient] has a potential

of 'working' as claimed ONLY if the woman can count.  As the interval

from LMP increases, the possibility of successful metabolic intervention

decreases steeply.

In the case of almost any herb, the "standard dose" of two cups/day of

tincture/infusion is going to be reasonably prudent consumption, YMMV.



-Kyra



HealingPgs wrote:

> 

> There are two types of pennyroyal, Mentha pulegium (European 

> pennyroyal) and Hedeoma pulegoides (American pennyroyal). Both are 

> classed as 2b (not to be taken during pregnancy) by the American 

> Herbal Product Association. The following side-effects and toxicity 

> information is drawn from the Association's Botanical Safety Handbook 

> -- a very pro-herb source, since this is an organization whose 

> members make the herbal products that we buy.

> 

[snipp]





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Subject: Re: LEMON,CAYENNE,MAPLE SYRUP FAST.

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:04:35 -0900

--------

1-1/2 cups fresh squeezed lemon juice.

1/3 to 1/2 cups pure maple syrup.

2 quarts distilled water.

Average women will generally need about 1/3 cup of the maple syrup, man about 1/2 cup. Some people need more.

Add a teaspoon or two of cayenne pepper, or just take the capsules.



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Helen Cason wrote in message <69b1as$12c$1@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MUCH OF EACH INGREDIENT ,WHEN MIXING.//? THANKS

A LOT.                  OLD GYPSYO







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Subject: Re: LEMON,CAYENNE,MAPLE SYRUP FAST.

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:11:11 -0800

--------

> 

> CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MUCH OF EACH INGREDIENT ,WHEN MIXING.//? THANKS



2 Tablespoons lemon juice, 2 Tablespoons Grade "B" Maple syrup and a

pinch of cayenne in 4 ounces of water.  



j9





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Subject: yohimbie

From: "Brian Williams" <kurgan@zoomnet.net>

Date: 13 Jan 98 00:11:18 GMT

--------

where can a person get yohimbie???   does the gnc stores sell it??  what is

it's cost??







==========

Subject: Re: yohimbie

From: Margaret.@mailexcite.com

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:25:03 GMT

--------

On 13 Jan 98 00:11:18 GMT, "Brian Williams" <kurgan@zoomnet.net>

wrote:



>where can a person get yohimbie???   does the gnc stores sell it??  what is

>it's cost??



What form are you looking for tea, capsules, dried?!  What exactly are

you going to be using it for?!  The cost will vary depending on what

form you buy it in.



M









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Subject: herbs for heartburn

From: MAE <ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan>

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:53:27 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Has anyone had any success with treating heartburn caused by reflux with

herbs?



Also, I've done several searches under Alternative Medicine for

information on this subject; however, I have not found alot of

information.  



If anyone has some good websites on herbs and/or medicinal treatments,

please respond.



Thanks in advance.



MAE





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Subject: Re: herbs for heartburn

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:37:54 GMT

--------



>Has anyone had any success with treating heartburn caused by reflux with

>herbs?



Yes, fennel seeds chewed well are about the best single herb for it.

Use up to a teaspoon.  I recently posted a digestion formula recipe

that  is even better, but with many ingredients.  Slippery elm

and dandelion root are decent single herbs for the problem.



For plain heartburn, however, nothing works as well (safely) as

Ecologic Formula's Trisalts, which is carbonates and bicarbonates of

magnesium, calcium, and potassium.  It is pretty cheap considering

it is a pound of powder.  Just mix 1/4-1/2t in water and drink.  It 

can also be used as a calcium and magnesium supplement if you

are disposed to an overacid stomach.



The best treatment is to avoid eating foods which cause this

problem,  however.  See D'Adamo's Eat Right For Your Type and follow

his lectin-based diet suggestions as well as ensure adequate

consumption of minerals like calcium, magnesium, potassium.



turf







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Subject: Re: herbs for heartburn

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 07:37:20 GMT

--------

MAE (ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan) wrote:

:x-no-archive: yes

:

:Has anyone had any success with treating heartburn caused by reflux with

:herbs?

:

:Also, I've done several searches under Alternative Medicine for

:information on this subject; however, I have not found alot of

:information.  

:

:If anyone has some good websites on herbs and/or medicinal treatments,

:please respond.

:

:Thanks in advance.

:

:MAE



Peppermint tea can help temporarily. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for heartburn

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:32:12 -0800

--------

My last pregnancy gave me my first taste of heartburn.  It stayed with

my all the time until my midwife told me to place a slice of lemon into

a glass of water and sip it throughout the day.  I did place a quarter

of a lemon into a 32oz water bottle (do not squeeze the lemon) and

carried it with me everywhere.  Whenever I felt the heartburn come back

I would sip the water.  It worked like a charm.  She also told me to

carry raw almonds with me to chew.  I did not try that one.



j9





==========

Subject: Re: Alpha and Omega Gun gone Gold!

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:56:55 GMT

--------

In article <34b7db73.19217951@news.insnet.com>,

NOMORESPAM)sfhnet.com (Meta Bright Star <meta@> wrote:

>Cell Tech, Inc. has added all the most popular foods to the Sun

>products...Noni, green tea, wheat grass, etc.  

>See informaton link at heatlhy stuff.



Cell Tech admits their algae is packed with microcystins.

Just because they mix a few herbs with it doesn't mean

it's any safer.  Microcystins are powerful cancer tumor

promoters.  Why would you want to risk messing around

with that?  Here's a file of information about that subject.



THE MICROCYSTINS MEMORANDUM

Copyright 1997 Mark Thorson



Super Blue Green (registered trademark, Cell Tech brand)

algae is the species known as _Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_.



The remainder of this file is divided into five parts:



I.    What are microcystins?

II.   Where do microcystins come from?

III.  What do microcystins do?

IV.   Is any level of microcystins safe?

V.    How can algae users protect against microcystins?



PART I.  What are microcystins?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 32, number 12, "Use of

a Colorimetric Protein Phosphatase Inhibition Assay and

Enzyme Linked Immunosorbent Assay for the Study of

Microcystins and Nodularins.", by An and Carmichael,

1994, pages 1495 and 1496:



"Microcystins are monocyclic heptapeptide liver toxins

produced by species of cyanobacteria within the genera

_Microcystis_, _Anabaena_, _Oscillatoria_, and _Nostoc_

(Carmichael, 1992).  The toxins contain two variable

L-amino acids plus three D-amino acids plus the unusual

amino acids, N-methyldehydroalanine and 3-amino-9-methoxy-

10-phenyl-2,6,8-trimethyl-deca-4(E)6(E)-dienoic acid

(Adda) (Reinhart _et_al_, 1988)."



[A peptide is a small protein.  A heptapeptide is a

protein composed of seven amino acids.  Monocyclic means

it's a one-ring loop.  A microcystin is a seven-member

ring of amino acids, containing three D-amino acids and

two weird amino acids, neither kind normally being found

in human food.  Amino acids can have two mirror-image

forms, called D and L.  All amino acids used to build

proteins in the human body are L-amino acids, except

glycine which is reflection-symmetric (i.e. neither

D nor L).  D-amino acids are nutritionally inert, and

they may contribute towards the ability of microcystins

to survive the digestive process intact and get absorbed.]



Quoting from page 1497:



"Recently, both microcystin and nodularin have been found

to be potent inhibitors of protein phosphatase types 1 and

2A (Yoshizawa _et_al_, 1990) as well as tumor promoters

in laboratory animals (Nishiwaka-Matsushima _et_al_,

1992b;  Falconer, 1991).  They are also suspected to be

involved with promotion of primary liver cancer in humans

exposed to long-term low doses of these cyclic peptide

toxins through drinking water (Carmichael, 1994;

Yu, 1989)."



PART II.  Where do microcystins come from?



Quoting from "A Cell Tech Statement Regarding

_Microcystis_ in Klamath and Agency Lakes", Cell Tech

press release, September 1996:



"Cell Tech also closely monitors algal blooms in Klamath

and Agency Lakes by regularly performing species

identification and quantification."



"Our test results indicate that there is currently a high

level of _Microcystis_aeruginosa_ in certain parts of the

lake, particularly Agency Lake."



[Cell Tech claims their standard is no more than 1%

non-_Aphanizomenon_ species in SBGA.]



Quoting from "A Message from Christian Drapeau", a file

posted by Jim Fentress (jim@frii.com) on April 8, 1996,:

 

"Microcystins are regularly found, but only in non-

significant amounts (specifically, 0.1-0.2 mcg/g of

SBGA)."



Quoting from a posting made on May 25, 1997,

<19970525172900.NAA00137@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

from Bluuegreen <bluuegreen@aol.com>:



From Wright State University, Dept. of Bio. Sciences,

10/28/96.

(513-873-2655 FAX: 513-873-3320)

ELISA assay for ... microcystins:

Measurable levels of microsystin or nodularin were found

in samples QA-9638 - QA-9643 (ug/g):

638    1.1

639    0.4

640     1.3

641     1.0

642     1.7

643     0.7



[Note that these numbers are about ten times higher

than those admitted in the previous quote.]



Quoting from "Response to Vegetarian Times", a letter from

Marta Kollman, October 31, 1996, available on Cell Tech's

fax-on-demand service (800/565-5092) as document #151:

 

"We know from rigorous testing over the years that

_Microcystis_ has always existed in Klamath Lake at very

low levels."



[But how low is low enough?  Read on!]

 

PART III.  What do microcystins do?



Quoting from _Journal_of_Cancer_Research_and_Clinical_

_Oncology_, volume 118, "Liver Tumor Promotion by the

Cyanobacterial Peptide Toxin Microcystin-LR", by

Nishiwaki-Matsushima, Ohta, Nishiwaki, Suganuma, Kohyama,

Ishikawa, Carmichael, and Fujiki, 1992, page 421:



"In two experiments, we found that microcystin-LR has

a potent tumor-promoting activity in rat liver initiated

with diethylnitrosamine (DEN) below the concentrations

that do not release aminotransferase (transaminase)

from the liver into the blood serum.  Microcystin acts

on the liver through the okadaic acid pathway and is one

of the strongest liver tumor promoters found to date."



[DEN is a carcinogen used to seed cancer foci in the

experimental animals.  Once seeded, the experiment

measured the promotion of these cancer foci by various

suspected tumor promoters.  Release of aminotransferase

into the blood would be a sign of an acutely hepatotoxic

reaction, which microcystins may cause.  This set of

experiments found potent liver tumor promotion at levels

below those which are acutely or sub-acutely toxic

to the liver, as indicated by the lack of release of

aminotransferase.]



Quoting from page 423:



"The mechanism of action of microcystin in liver cells

is similar to that of okadaic acid, and therefore most

likely expressed through the okadaic pathway.  We have

found that the okadaic pathway, involving inhibition of

protein phosphatase 1 and 2A activities, is a general

mechanism of tumor promotion in various organs."



[Inhibition of PP1 and PP2A ain't good!]



PART IV.  Is any level of microcystins safe?



Quoting from _Biochemical_Journal_, volume 306,

"Inhibition of Specific Binding of Okadaic Acid to

Protein Phosphatase 2A by Microcystin-LR, Calyculin-A and

Tautomycin:  Method of Analysis of Interactions of

Tight-Binding Ligands with Target Protein", by Takai,

Sakai, Nagai, Mieskes, Isobe, Isono, and Yasumoto, 1995,

page 662:



"Of the protein phosphatase inhibitors examined,

microcystin-LR exhibited the highest affinity to PP2A."



"Of the inhibitors examined, it was also microcystin-LR

that exhibited the highest affinity for PP1."



[A tight-binding ligand is a molecule that holds on

to a binding site of an enzyme so strongly it seldom

lets go.  In this paper, the rate constants for binding

of toxins to PP2A were about 10 to 100 billion times

greater than their dissociation constants.]



[That's a big difference in favor of binding!  For all

practical purposes, binding is irreversible.  Even at low

levels of exposure, the PP1 and PP2A enzymes suck up the

toxin and keep it.  Can any long-term exposure be safe,

if liver enzymes are accumulating the toxin?]



Quoting from _Biochemical_and_Biophysical_Research_

_Communications_, volume 216, number 1, "_In_Vivo_ and

_in_Vitro_ Binding of Microcystin to Protein Phosphatases

1 and 2A", by Runnegar, Berndt, Kong, Lee, and Zhang,

1995, page 162:



"Microcystins are normally cell impermeant, but they

accumulate in the liver by specific carrier-mediated

transport in hepatocytes which results in PP inhibition

and toxicity."



[Hepatocytes are liver cells.  Microcystins accumulate

in liver cells.]



Quoting from pages 167 and 168:



"We have shown that microcystin, a potent and specific

inhibitor of PP1 and PP2A activity, is covalently bound

to both PP1 and PP2A catalytic subunits in hepatocytes

incubated with the toxin."



[This paper explains why the binding of microcystins to

liver enzymes is virtually irreversible.  Most molecules

bind to enzymes because of close fit.  The enzyme will

have a pocket shaped like the molecule, and the molecule

will fit into that pocket like a key fitting into a lock.

Microcystins are unusual in that they form covalent bonds

to their binding sites on liver enzymes.  This is like a

key which not only fits the lock, but also proceeds to

weld itself to the lock.]



PART V.  How can algae users protect against microcystins?



Cell Tech claims to use sophisticated biochemical tests

that can monitor the level of microcystins in the algae

harvested from Klamath Lake.  Cell Tech says every batch

is tested to ensure it is "below guideline levels" of

microcystins.  But to my knowledge, Cell Tech has never

stated publicly what these levels are.  They're not zero,

obviously, or Cell Tech would say they're zero.  And how

did Cell Tech establish these guideline levels?  What

literature can Cell Tech cite that says these levels

are safe?



SBGA users who are concerned about the possibility of

exposure to microcystins should ask their upline these

questions.













==========

Subject: Re: Grape juice?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:22:55 -0500

--------



wl-ski wrote in message ...



>Yes, as the bulk of anti-oxidants are found in the seeds and pits/seeds

>(of course, this doesn't explain the green tea  :), however, this is

>what I've been taught... seeds/pits, and skins having the higher

>concentration, usually  (and grape seed extract is what Dr. Masqualier

>found to be such an abundant source of the bioflavonoids, which is what

>he was researching...   :)



While it is true that many of the antioxidants are found concentrated in the

seeds and skins to some extent, I don't think that means they are not

present in significant quantities in other plant parts.  Do you happen to

remember what plant part the Pycnogenol (from the Maritime Pine) is from?  I

don't think it's the seed...it's just easier (= financially more lucrative)

and "sexier" to extract commercially from the more concentrated sources.

For instance, cabbage leaves are just as useful a dietary source of

ascorbate as oranges, but I don't think you'll find too many pills claiming

their natural Vit. C came from cabbages!



-RJO











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Subject: Writers Needed

From: "Adrienne" <astrology_tarot_fortune@earthling.net>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:10:35 -0000

--------

If you have an article you would like to submit to a new newsletter on

healing herbs, aromatherapy, low-fat and Vegetarian meals, healthy living,

spirituality etc, please go to http://users.boone.net/arichardson and read

about the newsletter. The first issue will be published in February, and

will be a Monthly newsletter.









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Subject: Re: Writers Needed

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:19:33 GMT

--------

In article <69h069$l74$2@usenet48.supernews.com>, "Adrienne" <astrology_tarot_fortune@earthling.net> wrote:

>If you have an article you would like to submit to a new newsletter on

>healing herbs, aromatherapy, low-fat and Vegetarian meals, healthy living,

>spirituality etc, please go to http://users.boone.net/arichardson and read

>about the newsletter. The first issue will be published in February, and

>will be a Monthly newsletter.

>

>

What are your rates for free-lance writing? Do you have writer's 

guidelines? Do you pay on acceptance or on publication? What rights do 

you want?



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Re: Writers Needed

From: "Adrienne" <astrology_tarot_fortune@earthling.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:33:19 -0000

--------



C.L. Getz wrote in message <34bc12ab.0@news3.ibm.net>...

>In article <69h069$l74$2@usenet48.supernews.com>, "Adrienne"

<astrology_tarot_fortune@earthling.net> wrote:

>>If you have an article you would like to submit to a new newsletter on

>>healing herbs, aromatherapy, low-fat and Vegetarian meals, healthy living,

>>spirituality etc, please go to http://users.boone.net/arichardson and read

>>about the newsletter. The first issue will be published in February, and

>>will be a Monthly newsletter.

>>

>>

>What are your rates for free-lance writing? Do you have writer's

>guidelines? Do you pay on acceptance or on publication? What rights do

>you want?

>

>C.L. Getz

>

>

>Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.



I would like to start off with donated articles, until  the

newsletter  becomes profitable. Then I can afford to pay, as for rates, I

wouldn't even know. I am new at this. I am not even sure what to charge for

the newsletter, if anything. I may leave it free for all to read, especially

if I can get advertisers to advertise. I will have to wait and see how it

turns out.

The only writers guidelines I would have are to be honest, use respectable

language, not turn an article into a company advertisement. Know what you

are writing about.

I don't want any rights to any articles. I have had several replies with

many interesting article ideas, please keep sending in the ideas and

articles  I think this will be an interesting newsletter with many new ideas

and insights.

I appreciate you pointing this out,

If I can answer any more questions just let me know.

Adrienne











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Subject: ADD Question

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 13 Jan 1998 20:34:40 GMT

--------

My sister has been diagnosed with ADD...she is an adult in her late 30's...she

has tried Paxil and it made her feel worse.  I want to suggest natural remedies

and was wondering if anyone has had any success.  I am doing WWW

searches....however it seems as if most sites are there to sell their vitamins.

 I would appreciate any help that you might have...also, she is a vegan...so

her diet is pretty good already.  Thanking you in advance.  One more

thing...she seems to think that St. John's Wort is good for this.  Any

feedback?

~debra~







==========

Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:42:26 GMT

--------

djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453) wrote:



>My sister has been diagnosed with ADD...



There is an ADD regimen on my page.  Although

it is geared towards children, it is still appropriate.  

If there was one thing to do, though, it wouldn't even 

be a supplement - it would be consuming adequate 

protein and _good_ fat, as in the Zone

diet.  Next important is a good

cal-mag supplement, like Country Life Chelated 

Calcium Magnesium, and then a good multivitamin,

like Solaray VegLife Multi.  There are some

herb supplements recommended in the regimen,

too.  I don't sell anything  on my web page.



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



turf









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Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: Matt Humphrey <mateo@baka.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:53:49 -0500

--------

Debra,



Here are some suggestions:

Most ADD children and adults feel better if they eat small amounts of food

frequently throughout the day.  Artificial colorings, flavorings and chemical

additives can either cause or aggravate ADD (according to Ben F. Feingold in

Prevention's New Encyclopedia of Common Diseases), so it would be best to avoid

these.



Omega 3 fatty acids are very important to include in the diet.  Children and adults

should take at least 1 tablespoon of high lignan flax seed or borage oil per day.



As far as herbs go, the best one that comes to mind is Lemon Balm (Melissa

officinalis).  This is a mild sedative (nervine) that does not cause drowsiness.

This can be effective as a simple and even more so in combination with other

nervines such as Scullcap (Scutellaria lateriflora), Chamomile (Matricaria

chamomilla), and/or Passion Flower (Passiflora incarnata).  Oat seed (Avena sativa)

can be a good addition to this combination, as it helps to restore damaged nerves

and is useful for treating nervous exhaustion and stress related symptoms.



I am not an authority on St. Johns Wort, but I'm not sure it would be the right

herb for your sister.  On the one hand it has been used traditionally as a nervine

for centuries and it has even been suggested that it =may=  be useful for ADD (in

Steven Bratman, M.D.'s book Beat Depression with St. John's Wort).  On the other

hand, it has some MAO and serotonin reuptake inhibition properties that over the

long term could increase the flow of serotonin in the brain.  There is a medical

condition known as Serotonin Syndrome in which the brain has too much serotonin and

is characterized by symptoms of agitation, confusion, and tremors.  I'm not

suggesting that these are typical side effects of SJW, I'm just wondering whether

or not use of SJW would be the right direction to go for an ADD patient.  If I were

you, I would look into that one a little further and find out from someone that

knows.



Matt H



DJudge6453 wrote:



> My sister has been diagnosed with ADD...she is an adult in her late 30's...she

> has tried Paxil and it made her feel worse.  I want to suggest natural remedies

> and was wondering if anyone has had any success.  I am doing WWW

> searches....however it seems as if most sites are there to sell their vitamins.

>  I would appreciate any help that you might have...also, she is a vegan...so

> her diet is pretty good already.  Thanking you in advance.  One more

> thing...she seems to think that St. John's Wort is good for this.  Any

> feedback?

> ~debra~











==========

Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:03:00 -0500

--------

Debra,



Matt is quite correct in suggesting eating small regular meals.... the

reason being ... the  ADD person's blood sugar levels control mechanisms

are not functioning as they should.... Cromium, Vanadium and Zinc assist

with this particular aspect of ADD. 



The Omega Fatty Acids comming from Evening Primrose Oil and Salmon Oil

have also been shown to be benificial to ADD suferers



Methyl Sulfonyl Methane  (MSM) is one of the latest finds in terms of

assisting with ADD.  It assists with brain function



All of the above plus a host of vits are combined in a product

specifically formulated to assist children with ADD/ ADHD.  They are

able to come off Retilin within a few months and remain off!



This product could help your (Sister), was it?  Looks like I need some

MSM's   My onty concern is that she is a veggie, and the product

contains Salmon oil.....



If there is any interest, drop me a line.



David.





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To: jmellen@theriver.com

Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: jmellen@theriver.com

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:01:12 -0600

--------

In article <69s2e5$1ao$1@newsd-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

  DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER) wrote:

>

> Debra,

>

> Matt is quite correct in suggesting eating small regular meals.... the

> reason being ... the  ADD person's blood sugar levels control mechanisms

> are not functioning as they should.... Cromium, Vanadium and Zinc assist

> with this particular aspect of ADD.

>

> The Omega Fatty Acids comming from Evening Primrose Oil and Salmon Oil

> have also been shown to be benificial to ADD suferers

>

> Methyl Sulfonyl Methane  (MSM) is one of the latest finds in terms of

> assisting with ADD.  It assists with brain function

>

> All of the above plus a host of vits are combined in a product

> specifically formulated to assist children with ADD/ ADHD.  They are

> able to come off Retilin within a few months and remain off!

>

> This product could help your (Sister), was it?  Looks like I need some

> MSM's   My onty concern is that she is a veggie, and the product

> contains Salmon oil.....

>

> If there is any interest, drop me a line.

>

> David.



Via the www, I've querried on ADD, ADHD, and Ritalin, and find many

responses claiming the qualities of pycnogenol.  One can also querry on

this word.  MSM and pycnogenol touters all claim good non-prescription

results esp[cially for youth.  However, in support of or in contrast to

their claims, can anyone tell those of us who are interested, whether

either MSM or pycnogenol has more validity, testimonials, or clinical

trials?



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:16:36 -0500

--------

From a testamonial standpoint, I can put you in touch with a RN in North

Carolina, who until recently was overseer over all the ADD children in

her district.... She too, has a 2 year old boy, who is ADD/ADHD.. and

would have 4h tantrums... life was unbearable for her....... I dont know

how it came about that she started to use a naturally formulated

product... but the results were so amazing.... the child is calm now and

they lead a normal family life.... She has resigned her position because

she could not tell the parents in the district, to use Ritilin where she

herself was using something else..... I will be glad to put you in touch

with her... "OFFLINE".



As to research data.. I will ask around and see what I can come up with

in the comming week.



David. 





==========

Subject: Re: ADD Question

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:51:45 GMT

--------

David,

   Hi, I was following the discussions when I saw your mention of a natural

product that was helpful in these situations. 



   My 2 (3 in March) year old doesn't throw fits like the RNs son, but he is so

active it's hard for us to keep track of him.  I'm afraid that he'll really

hurt himself or someone else do to his "curiosity" for lack of better word.  He

doesn't listen well no matter what we do.  He will get up at night and get into

things, etc. etc.



   I would really be grateful for any info, especially if it can help me with

him.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





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Subject: Warts...

From: "RobTheWob" <RobTheWob@msn.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:25:57 -0500

--------

Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?  Thanks

in advance!!! (:o)

Rob



--

"If Jesus sees my heart, how come you only see my hair?"

     --Everybodyduck









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Subject: Re: Warts...

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:28:01 -0800

--------

> Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?   

We have had good luck with fresh aloe vera taped onto the warts. 

Replace daily.



9





==========

To: RobTheWob <RobTheWob@msn.com>

Subject: Re: Warts...

From: "V.R. Peterson" <vmp@bigfoot.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:25:21 -0800

--------

Apply the "milk" from the stem of a milkweed plant to the wart(s) once a

day untill it all falls off (it will fall off in pieces).  If you don't

have milkweed growing where you live, the "milk" from the stem of

dandelion will also work, but it will work more slowly.

-- 

****************

V.R. Peterson

vmp@bigfoot.com

****************



RobTheWob wrote:

> 

> Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?  Thanks

> in advance!!! (:o)

> Rob

> 

> --

> "If Jesus sees my heart, how come you only see my hair?"

>      --Everybodyduck





==========

Subject: Re: Warts...

From: nospam@nospam.com (Paul)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:55:57 GMT

--------

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:25:57 -0500, "RobTheWob" <RobTheWob@msn.com>

wrote:



>Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?  Thanks

>in advance!!! (:o)

>Rob



Castor Oil massaged into the wart a few times a day until it disappears

or falls off. 



Paul





==========

Subject: Re: Warts...

From: "Herb Man" <danl@[nospam]itis.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:48:44 -0600

--------

Try using the Warts homeopathic remedy. It's available from Southern Herb

Co. at 800-795-1354.



I wish you the best.

RobTheWob wrote in message ...

>Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?

Thanks

>in advance!!! (:o)

>Rob

>

>--

>"If Jesus sees my heart, how come you only see my hair?"

>     --Everybodyduck

>

>









==========

To: RobTheWob <RobTheWob@msn.com>

Subject: Re: Warts...

From: Tony Avona <tavona@comsource.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:30:11 -0600

--------

RobTheWob wrote:



> Hi, I'm wondering if there are any herbal cures to get rid of warts?

> Thanks

> in advance!!! (:o)

> Rob

>

> --

> "If Jesus sees my heart, how come you only see my hair?"

>      --Everybodyduck



   My daughter had a large wart on her finger and we got rid of it with

garlic. You take a fresh garlic clove, crush it, apply it to the wart

(it may sting a little) and cover it with a band aid for 24 hrs. After

you remove the band aid it will blister some, but will go back to normal

by the next day. The wart should turn black and dry up and fall off in a

couple of weeks. Garlic oil did not work, something about the fresh

garlic makes it effective.



Julie







==========

Subject: Re: Warts...

From: allenrolf@webtv.net (Allen Rolf)

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:47:20 -0600

--------

This is not a cure for warts that I recommend, but it is one that an old

lady on my grandfather's farm used when I was a child. I have seen it

work on myself, my sister, and cousins time and time again:



The old lady would have us fetch a piece of mop string and she would tie

a knot in the string for every wart and then rub the knot on the wart.

Next she would wrap the string in a piece of raw bacon and have us bury

it under the back steps. Within a week the warts would disappear without

fail. One time, my sister and I went to dig up the bacon after the warts

disappeared and the bacon and string had also vanished!



I suspect the cat got the bacon, but have no idea of what happened to

the warts!

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Subject: Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

From: ag737@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wallace J.McLean)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 04:48:22 GMT

--------



Anyone know about the uses of this plant, and whether it has any tradition

of use in China or other parts of east Asia?





--

There's more to life than books, you know (but not much more.)



VISIT LABRADOR!:              http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3330/

CONSTITUTION OF Nfld. and Lab.:        http://www.freenet.carleton.ca/~ag737





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Subject: Re: Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 05:33:00 -0700

--------

ag737@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wallace J.McLean) wrote:



>

>Anyone know about the uses of this plant, and whether it has any tradition

>of use in China or other parts of east Asia?

>

 Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

Also known as Ledum latifolium ....



  It's hard for India and Chinato have a traditional use for a

plant that didn't ever grow there.  It's native to the Maritime

Provinces, and maybe down into Maine .... it was used as a

substitute for tea in the northern American colonies (and maybe

eastern Canada), but that's all I can find about it.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:12:02 GMT

--------

> Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

>Also known as Ledum latifolium ....

>

>  It's hard for India and Chinato have a traditional use for a

>plant that didn't ever grow there.  It's native to the Maritime

>Provinces, and maybe down into Maine .... it was used as a

>substitute for tea in the northern American colonies (and maybe

>eastern Canada), but that's all I can find about it.

>Callie



Herbal Compnaion had a feature article on Labrador tea a while back...

Feb/March '97.  From the article:  The Native Americans of the area used it

for a medicinal tea, but it's use as a beverage appears to be an innovation

of the white settlers, one of the many native plants used to replace

imported teas... the article says it was also used in beer recipes of the

period.



Lots of dispute about it's effects.  "Ledol, a toxic compound that can

produce cramps and paralysis, has been isolated from the leaves of all the

Ledum spp.  Possibly in the low concentrations of the pioneers' brew, this

substance may have produces restorative effects similar to... caffiene in

tea."  Used as a blood purifier, to combat cold syptoms and hangovers, and

topically as a wash to soothe poison ivy rashes, burns, insect bites, etc.



It's a pretty plant, a tall stalk with very long, narrow rich green leaves,

topped with a cluster of tiny white flowers.  It doesn't grow down here in

Tennessee, so I don't have any direct experience with it.



Beth









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Subject: Re: Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

From: ag737@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wallace J.McLean)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:43:09 GMT

--------



Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) writes:



>   It's hard for India and Chinato have a traditional use for a

> plant that didn't ever grow there.  It's native to the Maritime

> Provinces, and maybe down into Maine .... it was used as a

> substitute for tea in the northern American colonies (and maybe

> eastern Canada), but that's all I can find about it.



It is known throughout the boreal and alpine world, including eastern

Siberia and probably Manchuria. It would hardly have been unknown in Asia.





--

There's more to life than books, you know (but not much more.)



VISIT LABRADOR!:              http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Rapids/3330/

CONSTITUTION OF Nfld. and Lab.:        http://www.freenet.carleton.ca/~ag737





==========

Subject: Re: Indian Tea/Labrador Tea/Ledum groenlandicum

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 21:38:01 -0700

--------

ag737@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Wallace J.McLean) wrote:



>

>Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) writes:

>

>>   It's hard for India and Chinato have a traditional use for a

>> plant that didn't ever grow there.  It's native to the Maritime

>> Provinces, and maybe down into Maine .... it was used as a

>> substitute for tea in the northern American colonies (and maybe

>> eastern Canada), but that's all I can find about it.

>

>It is known throughout the boreal and alpine world, including eastern

>Siberia and probably Manchuria. It would hardly have been unknown in Asia.

>

Thanks - my source said "native to" but obviously didn't give the

whole list.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: increasing body temp?

From: tougan@aol.com (Tougan)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 05:36:04 GMT

--------

Any herbs that you have found reliable for increasing body temp?  I am tired of

being cold all the time (especially when everyone else says they are warm).



Thanks.

\





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Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 06:49:41 GMT

--------

Tougan (tougan@aol.com) wrote:

:Any herbs that you have found reliable for increasing body temp?  I am tired of

:being cold all the time (especially when everyone else says they are warm).

:

:Thanks.

:\





Gotu Kola increases mine, but that's no guarantee it will increase yours.

Give it a try if you like. 



Also, Korean and Chinese Panax Ginsengs are Yang, or heating Ginsengs,

contrary to American (panax quinquefolium) Ginseng, which is Yin, and cools.



There is probably a slew of other herbs which warm and heat, but others will

have to identify them for you. You've already got two to try. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: douglas.winston@srupc.com (Douglas Winston)

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:54:00 GMT

--------

<884760581.416345@wagasa.cts.com>



T: Any herbs that you have found reliable for increasing body temp?



Eating some corn bread or a biscuit seems to stop me from feeling cold.

---

  QMPro 1.53  Pie are round, Cake are square.





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Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: "Herb Man" <danl@[nospam]itis.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:53:56 -0600

--------

Many times being cold is due to poor circulation. Southern Herb

(800-795-1354) has a product that is specifically for heart and arterial

cleansing. It's called Circu Flow and is made by Kroeger Herb out of

Boulder, CO.



You might also try taking Aloe Vera gel with Circu Flow also.



I wish you a warm week.



Tougan wrote in message <19980114053601.AAA14584@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>Any herbs that you have found reliable for increasing body temp?  I am

tired of

>being cold all the time (especially when everyone else says they are warm).

>

>Thanks.

>\









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To: Tougan <tougan@aol.com>

Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: kinir <kinir@intnet.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:23:51 -0500

--------

Tougan wrote:

> 

> Any herbs that you have found reliable for increasing body temp?  I am tired of

> being cold all the time (especially when everyone else says they are warm).

> 

> Thanks.

> \



Yes. Cayenne. You can take it in a tincture form(liquid) or even add

fresh,potent cayenne pepper to water,and sip it thru the day as a 'tea'.

I also suffer from cold hands/feet,constantly.And this works wonders.

Please see this site for more information:

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/cayenne/cayenne1.htm



Hope it helps!

Michelle





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Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:37:38 -0500

--------

Hi Toujan,



As I read your E, I immediately thought, Could this be an indication of

a circulatory problem?   And I see that Herb Man raises exactly that

point.



Sportron Internationl, Texas, have developed a vit/herbal combination

specifically for the Circulatory system of the body....It is highly

effective in assisting people with inter alia, cold hands and feet.







Check out their website at sportroninternational.com  and come back to

me if you'd like to be introduced to the Co.



David





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Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:10:38 GMT

--------





I thought low body temperature could also indicate hypothyroidism.







==========

Subject: Re: increasing body temp?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:49 -0600

--------

Marilyn Bachmann wrote:

> 

> I thought low body temperature could also indicate hypothyroidism.



"Low" being relative, the diagnosis would require several months of

charting your basal body temperature [BBT] immediately upon waking at

near to the same time every morning [as BBT will increment normally if

you sleep past your 'normal' waking time]. 



This is the center of the sympto-thermal method of birth control:  The

BBT will vary by [on the order of] a half degree Fahrenheit between the

estrogen and progesterone portions of a woman's monthly cycle.  So a

diagnosis requires documentation of a pattern of low temperatures. 

[And, I don't doubt, several episodes of bloodletting.]



-Kyra





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Subject: mixing different herbs

From: Jenn <kaffe@cyberramp.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:04:23 -0600

--------

Hey all!



I am new to the news group and have a few questions.  I have recently

started getting more involved in learning about different herbs (and

vitamins) and trying to put more natural things in my body rather than

the same old garbage that is shoved down our throats.  Okay here are my

questions:



I recently started taking SJW  (rather than the suggested prozac and

garbage) and have seen a difference.  I also added in Ginko Biloba.  I

have heard that together these two are fine.  But there are a few other

things that I was wondering if it is okay to add as well.  First, I have

a lot of trouble sleeping at night.  I go through long bouts of

insomnia.  It goes in stages, but they last a few weeks each.  It was

suggested to add Valerian at night to calm my system down and help me to

sleep.  (Sure sounds better than Tylenol PM).  Is it okay to add that?

AND one more thing that is added to the mix....I was on Phen/fen for a

while and lost over 72 pounds. I gained only a small portion back (10

pounds) but it was enough to depress me because I was just 10 pounds

from my goal (and stayed there for 1 yr).  ANYWAY, the point being, I

was going to try to the ECA stack as well and didn't know if all of

these ups then downs would wreak havoc on my system.  Does anyone have

any ideas or comments?  The SJW is really helping my "outlook" but I

sure do need *energy* too.



Anyone know any reason why what I am mixing should not be mixed? I mean,

the last thing I want to have happen is to have people say, "Sure it

killed her, but she looked good and was smiling!"  <grin>



Thanks-

Jenn







==========

Subject: Re: mixing different herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 05:40:00 -0700

--------

Jenn <kaffe@cyberramp.net> wrote:



>I recently started taking SJW  (rather than the suggested prozac and

>garbage) and have seen a difference.  I also added in Ginko Biloba.  I

>have heard that together these two are fine.  But there are a few other

>things that I was wondering if it is okay to add as well.  First, I have

>a lot of trouble sleeping at night.  I go through long bouts of

>insomnia.  It goes in stages, but they last a few weeks each.  It was

>suggested to add Valerian at night to calm my system down and help me to

>sleep. 

  Valerian is a depressant when used continously.  Lemon Balm (a

mild anti-depressant) or Linden are anti-insomnia additions I

would suggest for daily use.



>AND one more thing that is added to the mix....I was on Phen/fen for a

>while and lost over 72 pounds. I gained only a small portion back (10

>pounds) but it was enough to depress me because I was just 10 pounds

>from my goal (and stayed there for 1 yr).  

   If you were on Phen/Fen, call the doctor who prescribed it and

ask for one of the FREE cardiac checkups they are performing

(courtesy of the drug company) to make sure it didn't damage your

heart.



>these ups then downs would wreak havoc on my system.  Does anyone have

>any ideas or comments?  The SJW is really helping my "outlook" but I

>sure do need *energy* too.



   The best thing for "more energy" is EXERCISE.  You have to

exercise to get your body to produce mitochondria ... those

things in your cells that actually metabolize glucose into things

the rest of the body can use.  It doesn't have to be

muscle-wrenching or foot-pounding, but walking a mile, twice a

day, will definitley help within a few weeks.  (It also helps the

insomnia symptoms)  It takes about a month for the body to

realize that you are serious about it and actually ramp up

energuy production.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Sangre de Drago

From: "Leon Paredes" <LEONP1@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:14:44 -0800

--------

I have a limited amount of Sangre de Drago for sale.  This is from the

rainforest of South America, harvested in the traditional manner by the

indians.  The Indians have used this herb for centuries.  To order, send

check or money order $25 and $5 shipping and handling to P. O. Box 9261,

Mobile, Al.36693.  This is pure and uncut Sangre.









==========

Subject: Re: Sangre de Drago

From: rreid@earth.execpc.com (Rodney Reid)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 17:28:04 -0600

--------



Leon,



	You didn't say how much (weight/volume) Sangre de Drago will get

for $30, or what it's used for (although I now know how long it's been

used for).   Besides, isn't mailing $30 to a P.O.box kind of stupid?

What about COD orders?   Do you have a company name?  Do you have a phone

number?    I have bought Sangre de Drago tincture from ...Of The Jungle

(now something like Allies of Ethnobotanical Significance?) a while back,

a little 1 or 1/2oz bottle for $5....It's lasted years (I mainly use it

for cuts before putting a band-aid over)



	...Rodney

	





Leon Paredes (LEONP1@prodigy.net) wrote:

: I have a limited amount of Sangre de Drago for sale.  This is from the

: rainforest of South America, harvested in the traditional manner by the

: indians.  The Indians have used this herb for centuries.  To order, send

: check or money order $25 and $5 shipping and handling to P. O. Box 9261,

: Mobile, Al.36693.  This is pure and uncut Sangre.









==========

Subject: Dandelion and cayenne

From: stellapr@aol.com (Stellapr)

Date: 14 Jan 1998 13:13:07 GMT

--------

Has anyone heard of these to lower blood pressure. Diane





==========

Subject: Re: Dandelion and cayenne

From: jrolex1234@aol.com (JRolex1234)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:35:26 GMT

--------

dandelion is a mild natural diuretic...  same as found in many Rx B/p meds

so becareful if already on a diuretic  start slow  increase for affect

Cayenne  is know to help circulation,  also  check into gingo biloba  hawthorne

berry  and garlic to help circulation , vitamin E  and your essential fatty

acids found in raw pressed flax seed oil will help as well..

john





==========

Subject: Body temp.

From: inez castor <inez@cc.northcoast.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:43:58 -0800

--------

I used to work in the woods, and always suffered from cold feet. Once

the feet got cold, I was miserable. Started sprinkling cayanne pepper in

my socks, feet stayed warm, and the rest of me got through the day

better. Good luck--cold is the ultimate misery.





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Subject: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: "Sophia Lewis" <Whatever4@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 14 Jan 1998 15:52:45 GMT

--------

I am new to the herb world and a scary world it can be....for instance, I

decided to start drinking chamomile tea at night and couldn't figure out

why I was up all night and felt like *&^% the next day....well as I read on

another website if you are allergic to ragweed, etc. you should not drink

this tea.   I woke up this morning sneezing, itchy, tired, and with a

headache the same as two days ago(I did not drink the tea the night before

last), I can only assume since I am allergic to grasses,etc.  I am allergic

to the tea.  



My question: How does one find ALL the facts on herbs...at present time I

have purchased 4 books on herbs, none of them mentioned this fact. 



Question 2: this is a stupid question but I have to ask, since I am

allergic to bees does that eliminate pollen and honey?



Sophia





==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:39:44 -0500

--------



Sophia Lewis wrote in message <69in0d$m96@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>

>My question: How does one find ALL the facts on herbs...at present time I

>have purchased 4 books on herbs, none of them mentioned this fact.



Ain't no such thing as far as I know, and if there was, it would be a book

about 3 feet thick.  Any such work would have to include all of the

contradictory information published about herbs, as well as that generally

agreed upon, and would of course have to include not only the European and

American experience, but also the wealth of native aboriginal lore from the

original societies in the Americas, Africa, Asia and India.  Why, just the

Chinese traditional medicine would take a book that size!  Then there's

Ayurvedic herbalism, that's another huge book.



Herbalism is part science; it is also part art.  Unlike much of conventional

medicine, in herbalism there is a real attempt to taylor the treatment to

each individual's particular needs (as opposed to the one-size-fits-all

method of killing bugs, which nonetheless DOES have it's place, IMO).

That's one of the reasons for this newsgroup, to share experiences and

information that can't be found in any single source.  It also means that,

as the old saying goes, one mans meat is another mans poison - as you have

found out!



By the way, thanks for sharing your experience with us!  I have been flamed

for daring to claim that some people can have allergic reactions to

chamomile (oh, not dear harmless *chamomile*, perish the thought!.  Sorry,

but it's true).  There is an element on this ng that seems to feel herbalism

is a religion, and heaven help you if you're not a true believer.  Most of

us I'm sure are more pragmatic in our approach.  That includes sharing

information about which herbs can cause problems, and when herbs should

*not* be used instead of conventional medicine.  Welcome!



And, by the way, which website was that?



>Question 2: this is a stupid question but I have to ask, since I am

>allergic to bees does that eliminate pollen and honey?



I'm not sure about the connection between bee sting allergies and reactions

to honey or bee pollen, but I suppose it's possible.  I do know one person

who is known to be allergic to both honey and bee pollen, but unfortunately

I don't know if she's allergic to the stings.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:32:49 GMT

--------



Sophia Lewis wrote in message <69in0d$m96@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>I am new to the herb world and a scary world it can be....for instance, I

>decided to start drinking chamomile tea at night and couldn't figure out

>why I was up all night and felt like *&^% the next day....well as I read on

>another website if you are allergic to ragweed, etc. you should not drink

>this tea.   I woke up this morning sneezing, itchy, tired, and with a

>headache the same as two days ago(I did not drink the tea the night before

>last), I can only assume since I am allergic to grasses,etc.  I am allergic

>to the tea.





Yeouch!



This isn't entirely accurate...  chamomile is a low-growing ground cover,

and is commonly found adulterated with ragweed, which can cause *nasty*

allergic reactions - as well you know!  You might be allergic to chamomile

itself, but more likely it's the ragweed you're allergic to... you might

want to try changing your sources.  Use only the whole flower heads, from a

very reputable dealer.  That may very well clear up your problem and let you

take advantage of the herb's many benefits.



>My question: How does one find ALL the facts on herbs...at present time I

>have purchased 4 books on herbs, none of them mentioned this fact.



It's hit-or-miss; I generally look up any new herb in at least two different

text sources - preferably recent ones, since this field of knowledge is

growing constantly; and also try to find info in periodicals or on the web.

I also talk to knowledgable acquaintances, on- or off-line; this newsgroup

has been a boon in that area!



>Question 2: this is a stupid question but I have to ask, since I am

>allergic to bees does that eliminate pollen and honey?

>

This one I honestly don't know... good question!  I don't think so though; I

know several people who are allergic to bees, and I don't believe any of

them have to avoid honey.  I don't know about other bee products.



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: Shawnna and Daniel <Dwonder@concentric.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:11:31 -0800

--------

I'm allergic to bees but eat honey without any side effects. I haven't

tried bee pollen though.







==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:21:55 -0500

--------

Dan & Beth Harper wrote in message ...

>

>This isn't entirely accurate...  chamomile is a low-growing ground cover,

>and is commonly found adulterated with ragweed, which can cause *nasty*

>allergic reactions - as well you know!  You might be allergic to chamomile

>itself, but more likely it's the ragweed you're allergic to... you might

>want to try changing your sources.  Use only the whole flower heads, from a

>very reputable dealer.  That may very well clear up your problem and let

you

>take advantage of the herb's many benefits.

>





First- there are two "chamomiles".  The perennial species (sometimes called

"Roman" chamomile) is indeed a low growing ground cover.  The other is an

upright-growing annual (also known as German chamomile).  I have read in

more than one source that it is the upright, annual species that is more

commonly used to produce the herb chamomile.



I'm curious about this claim of adulteration.  The herb chamomile, at least

in the loose bulk form, is clearly distinguishable as flowers and flower

parts, as it should be, since this is the part used.  Ragweed in contrast

has very small, green, air-pollinated flowers which grow on an upright stalk

(i.e.: they are flowers on the botanical sense only).  They could certainly

never be confused with chamomile of any variety.



Finally, there are a number of sources that recommend using ragweed extracts

to help desensitize the body to ragweed pollen, so it is not entirely likely

that drinking an infusion containing ragweed (even assuming it to be

present) would cause any reaction resembling an allergic responce.  I

personally have used a ragweed infusion as a liver stimulant in the past

without any ill effects (it was one of Edgar Cayce's remedies), even though

ragweed pollen does affect my sinuses.  It is the *pollen* of ragweed that

elicits the response, not the herb.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:18:05 GMT

--------



On 14 Jan 1998 15:52:45 GMT, "Sophia Lewis"

<Whatever4@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>I am new to the herb world and a scary world it can be....for instance, I

>decided to start drinking chamomile tea at night and couldn't figure out

>why I was up all night and felt like *&^% the next day....well as I read on

>another website if you are allergic to ragweed, etc. you should not drink

>this tea.   I woke up this morning sneezing, itchy, tired, and with a

>headache the same as two days ago(I did not drink the tea the night before

>last), I can only assume since I am allergic to grasses,etc.  I am allergic

>to the tea.  



I started studying and experimenting with medicinal herbs between 20

and 30 years ago, depending on whether you count the various forms of

cannabis and ergot derivatives.



Shiver me timbers,  have I been in for some disappointments!

LSD was child's play compared with the effects of liberal cannabis

use. Hospitalisation and a dire warning that cannabis was highly

poisonous for me, was just the start.



During times of stress and insomnia I've tried Valerian and Scullcap

as a remedy. Both  had me wide awake, on edge and grinding my teeth,

to name just a few of the symptoms. This has been on quite small doses

too.



Recently, I returned to chamomile use, only to find the effect

unpleasant. It seems I'm getting more sensitive to the negative

potential of these things as I get older.



One of the few herbs that I've found consistently beneficial both to

me and my friends and family is Comfrey. I sometimes take it

internally for digestive problems. I find it's effects are little

short of miraculous sometimes.



Ironically, the internal use of this herb is now discouraged by the

establishment, because it is considered dangerous.



I can't seem to get into synch with most "natural" medicine.



Aura goggles anyone?





Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: jrolex1234@aol.com (JRolex1234)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:34:56 GMT

--------

sounds like you have quite a few hypersensativities,  i would suggest with any

herb you might take  start small amounts   and look for side effects,  as far

as you being allergic to bee stings..  its the injected toxin you are allergic

to..  wouldnt think  that bee pollen  and honey would be linked...  but  the

pollen it self  (also found in the honey)  might be an allergen

John





==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: jrolex1234@aol.com (JRolex1234)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 00:34:56 GMT

--------

sounds like you have quite a few hypersensativities,  i would suggest with any

herb you might take  start small amounts   and look for side effects,  as far

as you being allergic to bee stings..  its the injected toxin you are allergic

to..  wouldnt think  that bee pollen  and honey would be linked...  but  the

pollen it self  (also found in the honey)  might be an allergen

John





==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:54:04 -0600

--------

Hi Sophia,



I too am allergic to bee - sting:  I eat honey with no ill effect.  I've 

also eaten pollen, but never for a prolonged period, so couldn't really 

tell you about that one.







Gale



On 14 Jan 1998, Sophia Lewis wrote:



> I am new to the herb world and a scary world it can be....for instance, I

> decided to start drinking chamomile tea at night and couldn't figure out

> why I was up all night and felt like *&^% the next day....well as I read on

> another website if you are allergic to ragweed, etc. you should not drink

> this tea.   I woke up this morning sneezing, itchy, tired, and with a

> headache the same as two days ago(I did not drink the tea the night before

> last), I can only assume since I am allergic to grasses,etc.  I am allergic

> to the tea.  

> 

> My question: How does one find ALL the facts on herbs...at present time I

> have purchased 4 books on herbs, none of them mentioned this fact. 

> 

> Question 2: this is a stupid question but I have to ask, since I am

> allergic to bees does that eliminate pollen and honey?

> 

> Sophia

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:16:36 -0600

--------

Gale Koch wrote:

> 

> Hi Sophia,

> 

> I too am allergic to bee - sting:  I eat honey with no ill effect.  

> I've also eaten pollen, but never for a prolonged period, so couldn't 

> really tell you about that one.



At one time I procured a quantity of bee pollen to test the claim that

it would impart a degree of resistance to my usual allergies.  I had no

ill effects from eating it, but neither can I claim that the impact of

the allergy season was abated.  Spouse, OTOH, reported anaphylactic

symptoms [airway constriction] from the first capsule of pollen he

consumed....  So based on a sample of two, YMMV.  Proceed with caution.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:24:28 -0600

--------

wl-ski wrote:

> 

>> The common name, chamomile, can be Matricaria chamomilla or a 

>> totally different plant, Anthemis nobilis.  Without a family tree 

>> of the plant world, it's hard to say how close either one is to 

>> "ragweed" ...   Cross-reactions between related species are known: 

>> some persons sensitive to poison sumac have had allergic reactions 

>> to cashews - in the same family, distantly.



Persons allergic to ragweed should categorically avoid pyrethrins and

pyrethroids, which are commonly used as 'natural' pesticides.  The

Dalmatian varietal of Crysanthemum which is the highest-concentration

source of pyrethrin is 'closely-enough' related to ragweed.  Pyrethrin

will most likely be found:



in the inventory of your reduced-impact services pest control operator;

in a jar or other container at your health food store;

in a package of pediculicide [head-lice treatment] at the pharmacy;

[in a package of flea shampoo at your health food store].



verbum sapientiae fit, and all that....



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Chamomile(?) and allergies

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:26:42 -0500

--------

Re: Q2: Have you ever seen a bee sneeze?  If I'm not mistaken Honey is

anti histaminic!





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Subject: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "CHRIS OVERMANN" <sorry@nospam.com>

Date: 14 Jan 1998 16:00:01 GMT

--------

My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and will

need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

given by various sources.



First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help heal

his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been recommended

the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses right?

Are there other vitamins that will help? 



1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

800 units of Vit E

100mg Niacin Mid

Garlic as directed on package





Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would like know

what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look into?



Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be great.

Thank you,

Christy

-- 

Christy O

joverman at se-iowa dot net

I greatly appreciate email replies. My server isn't the greatest.





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "Erica" <ecarlos@bc.sympatico.ca>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 08:11:43 GMT

--------

Point your browser here:

http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/ecarlos/cvinfo.htm



Very interesting information...

Thanks



CHRIS OVERMANN <sorry@nospam.com> wrote in article

<01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

> My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and

will

> need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

> health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

> given by various sources.

> 

> First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help heal

> his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been

recommended

> the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses

right?

> Are there other vitamins that will help? 

> 

> 1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

> 800 units of Vit E

> 100mg Niacin Mid

> Garlic as directed on package

> 

> 

> Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would like

know

> what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look into?

> 

> Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be great.

> Thank you,

> Christy

> -- 

> Christy O

> joverman at se-iowa dot net

> I greatly appreciate email replies. My server isn't the greatest.

> 





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Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:10:39 -0900

--------







CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message <01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and will

>need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

>health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

>given by various sources.



Hi Christy,



Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes. Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease.

A healthy heart diet has plenty of magnesium and potassium rich foods: fresh greens, sea vegetables, flavonoid-rich foods from pitted fruits, tea and wine, sea foods, fish, tofu, brown rice and whole grains, garlic and onions.

Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake. Especially limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.

70% of daily calories from complex carbohydrates like vegetables and grains.

20% of daily calories from low fat protein sources.

Eat less than 100mg per day of diet cholesterol. Keep cholesterol below 160.

Add 8 glasses of bottled water daily to the diet. I suggest drinking distilled water only, as it the purest form. Chlorinated/flouridated water destroys vitamin E in the body.

Pay conscious attention to eliminating red meats, caffeine and caffeine containing foods, refined sugars, fatty, salty, and fried foods, prepared meats and soft drinks. 



My father had a heart attack in February of 1996, then had a quadruple bypass following it. He follows the Ornish diet, which is strictly vegetarian. His levels are all good now and he has lost weight.



>

>First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help heal

>his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been recommended

>the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses right?

>Are there other vitamins that will help? 

>

>1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

>800 units of Vit E

>100mg Niacin Mid

>Garlic as directed on package



Linda Rector-Page advises:

Cardio-tonic antioxidants:

CoQ10--60mg. 3 times daily

Germanium--150mg

Carnitine--500mg daily

Grapeseed PCOs--100mg 3 times daily

Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids--up to 5,000mg daily for interstitial tissue elasticity, arterial integrity and prevent little strokes. Take with Vitamin E with Selenium 200mcg for synergistic activity.

Vitamin B-1--50mg especially if taking diuretics

Vitamin B-6--50-100mg to unclog arteries.



Heart disease preventatives:

Chromium picolinate and Hawthorne blend to control arterial plaque and counteract insulin resistance.

Omega-3 fish and flax oils 3 times daily

Bromelain 1550mg regularly to prevent a heart attack by increasing fibrinolysis and inhibiting platelet aggregation.

Folic acid to keep homocysteine levels down, with B-6 and B-12 for synergistic results.

Magnesium--800mg.









>Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would like know

>what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look into?



I would suggest it.

Chelation is pronounced Key'lation.

Chelation is the process by which mineral substances are changed into their digestible form. Common mineral supplements such as bone meal and dolomite are often not chelated and must first be acted upon in the digestive process to form chelates before they are of use to the body. The natural chelating process is not performed effeiciently in many people, and because of this, a good deal of the mineral supplements they take are of little use.

When youi realize that the body does not use whatever it takes in, that most of us do not digest our foods efficiently, thatonly 2 to 10% of inorganic iron taken into the body is actually absorbed, and, even with this small percentage, 50% is then eliminated, you can recognize the importance of taking minerals that have been chelated. Amino acid bound chelated mineral supplements provide 3 to 10 times greater assimilation than the non-chelated ones, and are well worth the additional cost. And they do cost more.

When buying minerals, look for chelated on the label. Only 10% of ordinary minerals will be assimilated by the body, buty when combined with amino acids in chelation, assimilation is 3 to 5 times more efficient.





>Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be great.



I hope you are helped with this information. I personally don't have heart disease, but my dad does, and I have had many patients who have heart disease. I have been in Nursing for 11 years and have studied Alternative Medicine for the past 5 years. I woprk under 2 NDs with PhDs, and hope to be starting my own clinic soon.

 

Good luck to you and your father,

Kay







--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "CHRIS OVERMANN" <sorry@nospam.com>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 15:54:48 GMT

--------

Thanks so much for your reply, Kay. It was just what I was hoping to

be able to find! Your time is much appreciated.



Christy



slade or kay henson <noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote in article

<69lceb$ib$1@news2.alpha.net>...







CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message

<01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?)

and will

>need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in

his

>health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd

been

>given by various sources.



Hi Christy,



Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes.

Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease.

A healthy heart diet has plenty of magnesium and potassium rich

foods: fresh greens, sea vegetables, flavonoid-rich foods from pitted

fruits, tea and wine, sea foods, fish, tofu, brown rice and whole

grains, garlic and onions.

Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake.

Especially limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.

70% of daily calories from complex carbohydrates like vegetables and

grains.

20% of daily calories from low fat protein sources.

Eat less than 100mg per day of diet cholesterol. Keep cholesterol

below 160.

Add 8 glasses of bottled water daily to the diet. I suggest drinking

distilled water only, as it the purest form. Chlorinated/flouridated

water destroys vitamin E in the body.

Pay conscious attention to eliminating red meats, caffeine and

caffeine containing foods, refined sugars, fatty, salty, and fried

foods, prepared meats and soft drinks. 



My father had a heart attack in February of 1996, then had a

quadruple bypass following it. He follows the Ornish diet, which is

strictly vegetarian. His levels are all good now and he has lost

weight.



>

>First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help

heal

>his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been

recommended

>the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses

right?

>Are there other vitamins that will help? 

>

>1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

>800 units of Vit E

>100mg Niacin Mid

>Garlic as directed on package



Linda Rector-Page advises:

Cardio-tonic antioxidants:

CoQ10--60mg. 3 times daily

Germanium--150mg

Carnitine--500mg daily

Grapeseed PCOs--100mg 3 times daily

Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids--up to 5,000mg daily for interstitial

tissue elasticity, arterial integrity and prevent little strokes.

Take with Vitamin E with Selenium 200mcg for synergistic activity.

Vitamin B-1--50mg especially if taking diuretics

Vitamin B-6--50-100mg to unclog arteries.



Heart disease preventatives:

Chromium picolinate and Hawthorne blend to control arterial plaque

and counteract insulin resistance.

Omega-3 fish and flax oils 3 times daily

Bromelain 1550mg regularly to prevent a heart attack by increasing

fibrinolysis and inhibiting platelet aggregation.

Folic acid to keep homocysteine levels down, with B-6 and B-12 for

synergistic results.

Magnesium--800mg.









>Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would

like know

>what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look

into?



I would suggest it.

Chelation is pronounced Key'lation.

Chelation is the process by which mineral substances are changed into

their digestible form. Common mineral supplements such as bone meal

and dolomite are often not chelated and must first be acted upon in

the digestive process to form chelates before they are of use to the

body. The natural chelating process is not performed effeiciently in

many people, and because of this, a good deal of the mineral

supplements they take are of little use.

When youi realize that the body does not use whatever it takes in,

that most of us do not digest our foods efficiently, thatonly 2 to

10% of inorganic iron taken into the body is actually absorbed, and,

even with this small percentage, 50% is then eliminated, you can

recognize the importance of taking minerals that have been chelated.

Amino acid bound chelated mineral supplements provide 3 to 10 times

greater assimilation than the non-chelated ones, and are well worth

the additional cost. And they do cost more.

When buying minerals, look for chelated on the label. Only 10% of

ordinary minerals will be assimilated by the body, buty when combined

with amino acids in chelation, assimilation is 3 to 5 times more

efficient.





>Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be

great.



I hope you are helped with this information. I personally don't have

heart disease, but my dad does, and I have had many patients who have

heart disease. I have been in Nursing for 11 years and have studied

Alternative Medicine for the past 5 years. I woprk under 2 NDs with

PhDs, and hope to be starting my own clinic soon.

 

Good luck to you and your father,

Kay







--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade







----------







==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: Guy Beaulieu <gbeaulie@istar.ca>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:35:17 GMT

--------

It is appaling to see how much junk there is in the following 

'recommendations'.  Lets face it.  Medecines that have been proven 

'safe' and effective by state-of-the-art clinical trials do NOT work all 

the time for every patients.  And now you want us to believe that 

alternative medecine which are the figment of someone's imagination will 

work better?

	My father was ...   Well that was your father and your father 

would probably have got out it in spite of everything.  Just like some 

'straight' physicians believe that every time they 'cure' a patient that 

he/she is responsible for that cure.  50% of the times the patient would 

have got better anyway in spite of the doctor and the medecine 

prescribed.

	My parting shot, while you're lighting up your flame throwers is 

that you, particularly the credulous one who believe too easily in the 

latest fad, to read an excellent book "How we know what ins't so:  The 

fallability of human reason in everybody life" by Thomas Gilvich 

pulblished by THE FREE PRESS, a div of Macmillan Inc.  It will save you 

a good deal of money in the long run.

	OK I got it out my chest.  Keep well,... if you can in spite of 

the quacks and the doctors.

Guy

PS  My own opinion.











CHRIS OVERMANN wrote:

> 

> Thanks so much for your reply, Kay. It was just what I was hoping to

> be able to find! Your time is much appreciated.

> 

> Christy

> 

> slade or kay henson <noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote in article

> <69lceb$ib$1@news2.alpha.net>...

> 

> CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message

> <01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

> >My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?)

> and will

> >need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in

> his

> >health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd

> been

> >given by various sources.

> 

> Hi Christy,

> 

> Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes.

> Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease.

> A healthy heart diet has plenty of magnesium and potassium rich

> foods: fresh greens, sea vegetables, flavonoid-rich foods from pitted

> fruits, tea and wine, sea foods, fish, tofu, brown rice and whole

> grains, garlic and onions.

> Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake.

> Especially limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.

> 70% of daily calories from complex carbohydrates like vegetables and

> grains.

> 20% of daily calories from low fat protein sources.

> Eat less than 100mg per day of diet cholesterol. Keep cholesterol

> below 160.

> Add 8 glasses of bottled water daily to the diet. I suggest drinking

> distilled water only, as it the purest form. Chlorinated/flouridated

> water destroys vitamin E in the body.

> Pay conscious attention to eliminating red meats, caffeine and

> caffeine containing foods, refined sugars, fatty, salty, and fried

> foods, prepared meats and soft drinks.

> 

> My father had a heart attack in February of 1996, then had a

> quadruple bypass following it. He follows the Ornish diet, which is

> strictly vegetarian. His levels are all good now and he has lost

> weight.

> 

> >

> >First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help

> heal

> >his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been

> recommended

> >the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses

> right?

> >Are there other vitamins that will help?

> >

> >1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

> >800 units of Vit E

> >100mg Niacin Mid

> >Garlic as directed on package

> 

> Linda Rector-Page advises:

> Cardio-tonic antioxidants:

> CoQ10--60mg. 3 times daily

> Germanium--150mg

> Carnitine--500mg daily

> Grapeseed PCOs--100mg 3 times daily

> Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids--up to 5,000mg daily for interstitial

> tissue elasticity, arterial integrity and prevent little strokes.

> Take with Vitamin E with Selenium 200mcg for synergistic activity.

> Vitamin B-1--50mg especially if taking diuretics

> Vitamin B-6--50-100mg to unclog arteries.

> 

> Heart disease preventatives:

> Chromium picolinate and Hawthorne blend to control arterial plaque

> and counteract insulin resistance.

> Omega-3 fish and flax oils 3 times daily

> Bromelain 1550mg regularly to prevent a heart attack by increasing

> fibrinolysis and inhibiting platelet aggregation.

> Folic acid to keep homocysteine levels down, with B-6 and B-12 for

> synergistic results.

> Magnesium--800mg.

> 

> >Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would

> like know

> >what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look

> into?

> 

> I would suggest it.

> Chelation is pronounced Key'lation.

> Chelation is the process by which mineral substances are changed into

> their digestible form. Common mineral supplements such as bone meal

> and dolomite are often not chelated and must first be acted upon in

> the digestive process to form chelates before they are of use to the

> body. The natural chelating process is not performed effeiciently in

> many people, and because of this, a good deal of the mineral

> supplements they take are of little use.

> When youi realize that the body does not use whatever it takes in,

> that most of us do not digest our foods efficiently, thatonly 2 to

> 10% of inorganic iron taken into the body is actually absorbed, and,

> even with this small percentage, 50% is then eliminated, you can

> recognize the importance of taking minerals that have been chelated.

> Amino acid bound chelated mineral supplements provide 3 to 10 times

> greater assimilation than the non-chelated ones, and are well worth

> the additional cost. And they do cost more.

> When buying minerals, look for chelated on the label. Only 10% of

> ordinary minerals will be assimilated by the body, buty when combined

> with amino acids in chelation, assimilation is 3 to 5 times more

> efficient.

> 

> >Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be

> great.

> 

> I hope you are helped with this information. I personally don't have

> heart disease, but my dad does, and I have had many patients who have

> heart disease. I have been in Nursing for 11 years and have studied

> Alternative Medicine for the past 5 years. I woprk under 2 NDs with

> PhDs, and hope to be starting my own clinic soon.

> 

> Good luck to you and your father,

> Kay

> 

> --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>               or

>   --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

> 

> ----------





==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:34:44 -0500

--------

Guy, to you I would recommend a book entitled:



Amazing medicines the drug companies dont want you to discover, by

University Medical Research Publishers.



You will be amazed at the shear volume of recorded double blind studies

that have demonstrated the healing properties of vitamins, minerals,

and phytochemicals that come from the plant kingdom.



David.





==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:32:33 -0900

--------

  

Guy Beaulieu wrote in message <34C3FEF4.573B@istar.ca>...



>It is appaling to see how much junk there is in the following 

>'recommendations'.  Lets face it.  Medecines that have been proven 

>'safe' and effective by state-of-the-art clinical trials do NOT work all 

>the time for every patients.  And now you want us to believe that 

>alternative medecine which are the figment of someone's imagination will 

>work better?



Gee, you sound awfully angry. I'm sorry for that.

The first thing I recommended, and I'll quote myself here....



"Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes.

Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease."



In your opinion, is a proper diet "alternative medicine"? Where do you get "figment of someone's imagination" from? MD's are teaching people proper heart care, which number one is diet changes and nutrition.



> My father was ...   Well that was your father and your father 

>would probably have got out it in spite of everything.  Just like some 

>'straight' physicians believe that every time they 'cure' a patient that 

>he/she is responsible for that cure.  50% of the times the patient would 

>have got better anyway in spite of the doctor and the medecine 

>prescribed.



After a heart attack? Just leave it alone? Ignore it and it will go away?

Ignore your teeth and they'll certainly go away. Ignore your cancer, it'll just spread.......



> My parting shot, while you're lighting up your flame throwers is 

>that you, particularly the credulous one who believe too easily in the 

>latest fad, to read an excellent book "How we know what ins't so:  The 

>fallability of human reason in everybody life" by Thomas Gilvich 

>pulblished by THE FREE PRESS, a div of Macmillan Inc.  It will save you 

>a good deal of money in the long run.



And I can also give titles of many different books, too........



> OK I got it out my chest.  Keep well,... if you can in spite of 

>the quacks and the doctors.

>Guy

>PS  My own opinion.



You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and it's okay to have one.

Just so know...I have 11 years behind me in the conventional Nursing field, am certified in Nutrition and Internal Body Wellness, and am working towards my PhD in Natural Health. I don't discredit conventional medicine at all. I do, however, believe people should learn, research, and gain knowledge for themselves. There health decisions should be up to them whether they choose alternative medicine, conventional medicine, or a combination of both.



I guess I'm not sure what you are complaining about. What alternative medicine did I post about? Diet change? Vitamins? Giving Christy the definition in layman's terms for chelation on minerals? How did I offend you? I was writing in response to Christy's questions. She was grateful for the help. Helping others and teaching them is my goal. What they choose to do with it is their business.

I guess you don't have to read the posts if you don't like what they contain. I'm sure you have a "delete" button or a "mark as read" button to click and ignore. Just my opinion.....



Kay



--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:01:34 GMT

--------

"slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:



>CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message =

><01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>>My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and =

>will

>>need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

>>health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

>>given by various sources.



>Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake. Especially =

>limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.



Your strict diet regimen is very good advice. Replacing gross, poor

quality calories with fewer, high quality calories always provokes the

body to clean itself up and become more efficient. I would however

take strong exception to your categorizing animal fats with

hydrogenated oils. The logic is like that of comparing wheat to

artificial sweetener.



Hydrogenated oils (margerine, shortening, partially hydrogenated

vegetable oils, to a lesser degree clear vegetable oils) are pure

poison. They are guranteed to bring on and exasserbate heart

difficulties. 0% hydrogenated oil is the objective (not 10%).

Hydrogenated oils are oils which are converted into dangerous

trans-fats which are rarely found in nature. They are a dangerous part

of any diet.



Unprocessed natural oils, including animal fats, are good for the

body. This is not to say that eating nothing but fat is particularly

healthy. We should eat a wide variety of foods in a balanced manner as

you are well aware.



The cholesterol scare is bogus. Cholesterol is natural and healthy. It

is a necessary component of every cell in the body. Trans-fats

(hydrogenated oils) attach themselves to cholesterol and corrupt the

molecule, corrupting the cell, corrupting the cell's function. High

stress heart vessel cells cease to perform within their highly

demanding parameters, and heart disease results.



Nerve and brain cells are also very high in cholesterol and health is

adversely affected when they are poisoned by trans-fats attaching

themselves to the cholesterol molecule.



The body will make cholesterol and all kinds of natural fats but it

does not make plasticized trans-fats. When we eat trans-fats they get

incorporated into all the body's cells to the detriment of health,

especially heart health.



Animal fats are highly resistant to being converted to trans-fats.

They are more highly resistant to this corrosion than are vegetable

fats (which is why vegetable fats are hydrogenated in the first place

-- to stabilize them by turning them into plastic).



Animal fats are an excellent source of natural oils which are not

easily corrupted by processing. Butter and milk, for example, are

healthful sources of fat for young and old alike.



People may choose to avoid cholesterol (which only comes from animal

dietary sources, by the way) for a wide variety of reasons many of

which are based on vegetarian principles, but that does not make it

unhealthy from the physiological point of view.



Natural is good; processed is bad. Always has been the case; always

will be the case.



Lots of people disagree with me, Kay. I, however, believe animal

source food has been maligned without justification -- and I advise

accordingly.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "Carole Nelson" <quailrun@triax.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:32:47 -0800

--------

J. Mark Taylor wrote in message <6a4sfg$pgb@news.auaracom.net>...

>The cholesterol scare is bogus. Cholesterol is natural and healthy.

It

>is a necessary component of every cell in the body. Trans-fats

>(hydrogenated oils) attach themselves to cholesterol and corrupt the

>molecule, corrupting the cell, corrupting the cell's function. High

>stress heart vessel cells cease to perform within their highly

>demanding parameters, and heart disease results.

>

>Nerve and brain cells are also very high in cholesterol and health is

>adversely affected when they are poisoned by trans-fats attaching

>themselves to the cholesterol molecule.

>

>The body will make cholesterol and all kinds of natural fats but it

>does not make plasticized trans-fats. When we eat trans-fats they get

>incorporated into all the body's cells to the detriment of health,

>especially heart health.

>

>Animal fats are highly resistant to being converted to trans-fats.

>They are more highly resistant to this corrosion than are vegetable

>fats (which is why vegetable fats are hydrogenated in the first place

>-- to stabilize them by turning them into plastic).

>

>Animal fats are an excellent source of natural oils which are not

>easily corrupted by processing. Butter and milk, for example, are

>healthful sources of fat for young and old alike.

>

Why does this make perfect sense? Could it be we are so boonswoggled

by learned scientists and want to 'do the right thing' that we ignore

our own instincts to the detriment of our health and well being? Don't

you have a little part of your brain that asks "why?" Are we always

going to accept the latest medical fad as fact? How can denying our

bodies necessary nutritional elements such as fats and salts be

healthful?



Thank you, poster.

Carole









==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:10:20 GMT

--------

>>>Also..concerning

>>>arterial blockage from cholesterol..you mention that the hydrogenated oils

>>>corrupt the cholesterol's cell function. This is interesting considering all

>>>the poor folk who feel they must eliminate All fat..and when absolutely

>>>necessary use only vegetable oils. You certainly don't see them getting

>>>better. Can you direct me to some literature on trans-fats [aka trans fatty acids, 

>>>hydrogenated oil, margerine, shortening] that I can copy and send

>>>to them explaining this in detail?



You should be able to find lots of info condemning trans-fats at your

local healthfood store, or on the Internet. I recommend very highly

"Lipids in Human Nutrition" by Germain J. Brisson, Professor of

Nutrition, Universite Laval, Quebec, Canada (published by Jack K.

Burgess, Inc.). It is the perfect book for teaching the ordinary

person all about fats from beginning to end. It walks through each

major clinical trial of significance and graphically portrays the

results.



The facts on fat are well known to health specialists. It is the

questionable application of these facts that leaves much to be

desired.



The reasonable facts are:



1) Total blood cholesterol is a poor indicator of the risk of

developing heart disease;



2) Dietary cholesterol has only a slight influence on blood

cholesterol;



3) Cholesterol reduced diets or cholesterol reducing drugs show that

the slight reduction in blood cholesterol levels has no positive

effect on reducing mortality; on the contrary, increased incidence of

other illnesses (such as cancer) were noticed [Cholesterol reducing

drugs are known cancer-causing agents.];



4) Diets high in vegetable fats do not increase serum levels of HDL

(the "good" cholesterol);



5) The Lipid Hypothesis is just that -- a hypothesis. This

shakey-at-best theory seems to be used to sell lots of food products,

drugs, surgeries, medical tests and visits.



>>>Another question...do you know how long

>>>it would take for cholesteol cells to recover from association with

>>>trans-fats?



No, but the sooner one starts then the better. Most heart disease can

be completely reversed through sound, wholistic health practice. Herbs

can help stay the course until superior nutrition kicks in. The

practice of Alternative health must however be a personal choice as it

is hard work. It is not for everyone as most people do not believe

their government-approved lifestyle is killing them. The best thing

you can do is get the ill person to a Medical Herbalist, a wholistic

nutritionist (not a standard Nutritionist), a Naturopath, or even to a

local Alternative health citizen's group. The local healthfood store

is a good place to begin asking around as the governmentally-sponsored

health services do not recognize the Alternative health paradigm.



>>>Is it safe to gather from what you say that if a person were overweight

>>>they would use excess fat from animals more effeciently than vegetables?



No. Overweight individuals should centre their normal diet about fresh

fruits and vegetables. The body would then use the oils inherent

within the

fresh vegetables and fruits in a very efficient manner.



>>Does this mean that fat derived from animals breaks down at the same rate as

>>fat derived from vegetables..hydrogenated or natural?



No. Hydrogenated oils are totally different from natural oils. A

hydrogenated oil is about as natural as is a nuclear power plant.

Hydrogenated oils react differently by all standards of measurement.



All natural fats are composed of many fatty acids. Each fatty acid

would both break down at a different rate AND burn at a different

rate. The beautious intricacy and superiority of natural substances

over contrived plasticized substitutes is inherently obvious.



By dubious comparison (not to be used for drawing safe conclusions) an

animal fat would break down more slowly but release more "instant"

energy than would a vegetable fat, although the total energy released

may be comparable. It's the old "two equations, three unknowns"

conundrum. One has to assume, again, that natural is best.



If you are seeking indications that animal fats are somehow superior

in some respect to vegetable fats then I cannot help you either way.

However, MY intuition would lead me to advise increased animal fats to

athletes, just as I would recommend increased animal proteins to

vegetable proteins for athletes. Commercial proteins, of course,

should be avoided just as are commercial fats. Note that this in no

way indicates proportions. Also, athletic use of food toward specific

purposes does not necessarily imply a more healthful use of food.



>From our talk I get the impression that processed vegetable fats

>(trans-fats) may inhibit the normal breakdown of fat cells because

>they tend to corrupt cholesterol cells. am I way out in left field on 

> this thought?

>Why else would someone like my father-in-law..admitedly elderly..

>who has been on a very strict non-fat, non salt diet for at least

>10 years continue to get arterial blockage if not from ineffecient

>metabolizing of his fats.

>All the prescribed medication doesn't do him any good either..but I can

>understand his reluctance to chuck it all in favor of an alternative

>approach. Herbal, for example. He also suffers from congestive heart

>failure. So he's a walking pharmacy.

___

jmt



--

http://www.trico.ns.ca/jmt/







==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:10:39 -0900

--------







CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message <01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and will

>need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

>health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

>given by various sources.



Hi Christy,



Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes. Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease.

A healthy heart diet has plenty of magnesium and potassium rich foods: fresh greens, sea vegetables, flavonoid-rich foods from pitted fruits, tea and wine, sea foods, fish, tofu, brown rice and whole grains, garlic and onions.

Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake. Especially limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.

70% of daily calories from complex carbohydrates like vegetables and grains.

20% of daily calories from low fat protein sources.

Eat less than 100mg per day of diet cholesterol. Keep cholesterol below 160.

Add 8 glasses of bottled water daily to the diet. I suggest drinking distilled water only, as it the purest form. Chlorinated/flouridated water destroys vitamin E in the body.

Pay conscious attention to eliminating red meats, caffeine and caffeine containing foods, refined sugars, fatty, salty, and fried foods, prepared meats and soft drinks. 



My father had a heart attack in February of 1996, then had a quadruple bypass following it. He follows the Ornish diet, which is strictly vegetarian. His levels are all good now and he has lost weight.



>

>First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help heal

>his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been recommended

>the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses right?

>Are there other vitamins that will help? 

>

>1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

>800 units of Vit E

>100mg Niacin Mid

>Garlic as directed on package



Linda Rector-Page advises:

Cardio-tonic antioxidants:

CoQ10--60mg. 3 times daily

Germanium--150mg

Carnitine--500mg daily

Grapeseed PCOs--100mg 3 times daily

Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids--up to 5,000mg daily for interstitial tissue elasticity, arterial integrity and prevent little strokes. Take with Vitamin E with Selenium 200mcg for synergistic activity.

Vitamin B-1--50mg especially if taking diuretics

Vitamin B-6--50-100mg to unclog arteries.



Heart disease preventatives:

Chromium picolinate and Hawthorne blend to control arterial plaque and counteract insulin resistance.

Omega-3 fish and flax oils 3 times daily

Bromelain 1550mg regularly to prevent a heart attack by increasing fibrinolysis and inhibiting platelet aggregation.

Folic acid to keep homocysteine levels down, with B-6 and B-12 for synergistic results.

Magnesium--800mg.









>Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would like know

>what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look into?



I would suggest it.

Chelation is pronounced Key'lation.

Chelation is the process by which mineral substances are changed into their digestible form. Common mineral supplements such as bone meal and dolomite are often not chelated and must first be acted upon in the digestive process to form chelates before they are of use to the body. The natural chelating process is not performed effeiciently in many people, and because of this, a good deal of the mineral supplements they take are of little use.

When youi realize that the body does not use whatever it takes in, that most of us do not digest our foods efficiently, thatonly 2 to 10% of inorganic iron taken into the body is actually absorbed, and, even with this small percentage, 50% is then eliminated, you can recognize the importance of taking minerals that have been chelated. Amino acid bound chelated mineral supplements provide 3 to 10 times greater assimilation than the non-chelated ones, and are well worth the additional cost. And they do cost more.

When buying minerals, look for chelated on the label. Only 10% of ordinary minerals will be assimilated by the body, buty when combined with amino acids in chelation, assimilation is 3 to 5 times more efficient.





>Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be great.



I hope you are helped with this information. I personally don't have heart disease, but my dad does, and I have had many patients who have heart disease. I have been in Nursing for 11 years and have studied Alternative Medicine for the past 5 years. I woprk under 2 NDs with PhDs, and hope to be starting my own clinic soon.

 

Good luck to you and your father,

Kay







--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:10:39 -0900

--------







CHRIS OVERMANN wrote in message <01bd2107$3b6c8fa0$LocalHost@joverman.lisco.com>...

>My father just had  a heart attack followed by angieoplasty (sp?) and will

>need more angie. in a few weeks. He is taking a very active role in his

>health and asked me to do some research for him on some info he'd been

>given by various sources.



Hi Christy,



Before vitamins and herbs, he should be looking at diet changes. Foods play a major part in the prevention of heart disease.

A healthy heart diet has plenty of magnesium and potassium rich foods: fresh greens, sea vegetables, flavonoid-rich foods from pitted fruits, tea and wine, sea foods, fish, tofu, brown rice and whole grains, garlic and onions.

Reduce fat to no more than 10% of total daily calorie intake. Especially limit fats from animal sources and hydrogenated oils.

70% of daily calories from complex carbohydrates like vegetables and grains.

20% of daily calories from low fat protein sources.

Eat less than 100mg per day of diet cholesterol. Keep cholesterol below 160.

Add 8 glasses of bottled water daily to the diet. I suggest drinking distilled water only, as it the purest form. Chlorinated/flouridated water destroys vitamin E in the body.

Pay conscious attention to eliminating red meats, caffeine and caffeine containing foods, refined sugars, fatty, salty, and fried foods, prepared meats and soft drinks. 



My father had a heart attack in February of 1996, then had a quadruple bypass following it. He follows the Ornish diet, which is strictly vegetarian. His levels are all good now and he has lost weight.



>

>First, of all is vitamins. We understand that some vitamins can help heal

>his arteries or help prevent/postpone further damage. He's been recommended

>the following vit and doses. What do you think of it? Are the doses right?

>Are there other vitamins that will help? 

>

>1,000mg Vit C 3x's a day

>800 units of Vit E

>100mg Niacin Mid

>Garlic as directed on package



Linda Rector-Page advises:

Cardio-tonic antioxidants:

CoQ10--60mg. 3 times daily

Germanium--150mg

Carnitine--500mg daily

Grapeseed PCOs--100mg 3 times daily

Vitamin C with Bioflavonoids--up to 5,000mg daily for interstitial tissue elasticity, arterial integrity and prevent little strokes. Take with Vitamin E with Selenium 200mcg for synergistic activity.

Vitamin B-1--50mg especially if taking diuretics

Vitamin B-6--50-100mg to unclog arteries.



Heart disease preventatives:

Chromium picolinate and Hawthorne blend to control arterial plaque and counteract insulin resistance.

Omega-3 fish and flax oils 3 times daily

Bromelain 1550mg regularly to prevent a heart attack by increasing fibrinolysis and inhibiting platelet aggregation.

Folic acid to keep homocysteine levels down, with B-6 and B-12 for synergistic results.

Magnesium--800mg.









>Also, we've seen the name Chelated come up a few times and would like know

>what it is, and what it does. Would it be something he should look into?



I would suggest it.

Chelation is pronounced Key'lation.

Chelation is the process by which mineral substances are changed into their digestible form. Common mineral supplements such as bone meal and dolomite are often not chelated and must first be acted upon in the digestive process to form chelates before they are of use to the body. The natural chelating process is not performed effeiciently in many people, and because of this, a good deal of the mineral supplements they take are of little use.

When youi realize that the body does not use whatever it takes in, that most of us do not digest our foods efficiently, thatonly 2 to 10% of inorganic iron taken into the body is actually absorbed, and, even with this small percentage, 50% is then eliminated, you can recognize the importance of taking minerals that have been chelated. Amino acid bound chelated mineral supplements provide 3 to 10 times greater assimilation than the non-chelated ones, and are well worth the additional cost. And they do cost more.

When buying minerals, look for chelated on the label. Only 10% of ordinary minerals will be assimilated by the body, buty when combined with amino acids in chelation, assimilation is 3 to 5 times more efficient.





>Any personal experiences or casual proffessional advice would be great.



I hope you are helped with this information. I personally don't have heart disease, but my dad does, and I have had many patients who have heart disease. I have been in Nursing for 11 years and have studied Alternative Medicine for the past 5 years. I woprk under 2 NDs with PhDs, and hope to be starting my own clinic soon.

 

Good luck to you and your father,

Kay







--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "Gefrod" <gefrod@ddvd.com>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 23:34:16 GMT

--------







 This thread is very right on.  What can I say.  The information is

up-to-date and safe to follow.  You just can't go wrong, at least it seems.

 Let's keep giving out this good and useful information.  These diets and

use of herbs and vitamin can't hurt.  There is every thing to gain and so

far, nothing to lose.  Maybe we can put these Cardiologists out of

business.  All this diet stuff does need to begin in child hood.  I still

see many people feeding their kids junk for food.  Good eduacation in terms

of heart disease prevention will go a long way.  Of course there are also

many other risk factors that people need to be aware of.  Keep spreading

this good information.



Gefrod

 

 





==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:23:52 -0500

--------

Virtually all of the vitamins and compounds recommended by the group can

be found in 1 product called xxxxxx, ( I dont know if I'm allowed to

mention product names here)



This product contains the following:

Vits A, B2, B3, B6, B12, C E 

Folic Acid

Zn

Cu

Cruceferous blend extraxt of broccoli, kale, mustard seed

Acerola powder

Cat's Claw root

N-acetytl cysteine

Bioflavanoid concentrate

chelidonia extract

Curcumin extraxt

Grape skin extract

Proanthocyanidins (grape seed extract)

Cabbage concentrate

Tomato powder extract

Carrot powder concentrate





==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:31:58 -0500

--------

I accidently "posted" before I was finished...



the product contains:



Carrot powder concentrate

Celery powder concentrate

Garlic concentrate

Turmeric concentrate

Rosemary powder

Seaweed

Co-enzyme Q10

Manganese

Selenium

Lipoic acid



This product encompasses everything that the group has recommended and

much more.  It is making a huge difference in peoples lives in terms of

recovery from cardio vascular deseases, raising energy levels and

protecting from further problems associated with heart attacks and

arterial plaqueing etc.



I will be glad to tell you where you can get this product from.... it

retails for around $45 .... which is for 60 caplets ie. 1 months supply.



 





==========

Subject: RE: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 29 Jan 1998 04:24:23 GMT

--------

I didn't find the original question, but to my knowledge vitamin C with

bioflavinoids is  what is recommended for strengthening the artery wall.  I

have heard for years that if you bruise easily then you need more vitamin

C.  A nutritionist I know told my husband years ago that the spider veins

on his ankles  would be helped by vitC/ bilflavinoids. He has taken it ever

since and they are no worse, and a little better.  However , he never 

bruised easily?  I gave this advice to  a girl who bruised easily and she

said it really helped her.     Wanda







==========

Subject: Re: Vitamins for arteries?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:50:42 -0500

--------

Jon Olmsted wrote in message <01bd2c6c$6c66abc0$0c728dd0@default>...

>I didn't find the original question, but to my knowledge vitamin C with

>bioflavinoids is  what is recommended for strengthening the artery wall.  I

>have heard for years that if you bruise easily then you need more vitamin

>C.  A nutritionist I know told my husband years ago that the spider veins

>on his ankles  would be helped by vitC/ bilflavinoids. He has taken it ever

>since and they are no worse, and a little better.  However , he never

>bruised easily?  I gave this advice to  a girl who bruised easily and she

>said it really helped her.     Wanda

>



Vitamin C and the associated bioflavenoids are indeed one of the "original"

antioxidant combinations known to be beneficial to blood vessel integrity,

especially capillary wall strength.  The bioflavenoids in orange PULP are

one reason people experiance benefit from the whole orange sometimes more

than from concentrated forms of Vitamin C alone.  There has been a LOT of

additional research showing the presence of flavenoid compounds in a wide

variety of vegetables and fruits used as foods, as well as many of the herbs

whose effects were previously either denied by the medical profession or

simply unexplained.  Used to be, if you couldn't identify something like an

alkaloid in an herb, it was automatically considered inert, little more than

a placebo.  Now we are coming to know that many herbs, in particular those

that have reputations as tonics (in China, many of the "longevity" tonics

belong here) actually contain potent compounds that act to protect tissues

and essential compounds (like cholesterol) in the body from breakdown.  The

flavenoids (bio- that is, produced by living organisms), anthocyanadins,

carotenoids, and other antioxidants are finally coming into their own and

being understood for the benefits they provide, joining rutin, the citrus

bioflavenoids, vitamin C and vitamin E, as powerful weapons against disease

and the effects of aging in the herbalists and naturopaths arsenal.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Wendy Bronson!

From: Wendy Bronson <glbron01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:46:24 -0500

--------

Hi Wendy!





==========

Subject: Re: Wendy Bronson!

From: antispam@ozemail.com.au (Ray Breakwell)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:38:39 +1000

--------

In article <34BCF9F0.A2@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>, Wendy Bronson

<glbron01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> wrote:



>Hi Wendy!





Hi Wendy!



Couldn't resist this! 



Best wishes for your Louisville winter. It's over 30C down here in Oz.



...-Ray.



-- 

 For email reply replace 'antispam' with  'raybre' ....



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         _`\<,_                is being there  

 ~~  (@)/ (@)                            - Chiang Seagull.

^#~^+=+#~~^^+~~+==^v^^^##~^^





==========

Subject: Dried herbs and essential oils for sale.

From: "Joe Early and Sheri Grimm" <voulezvous@mail.fwi.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:20:06 -0600

--------

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/sheriann/index.html









==========

Subject: Herbal Health Postings

From: "NPN Enterprises" <newstyle@npnhost.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:56:22 -0500

--------

New Herbal Health posting on the web. Post your message, ask for others for

their views and help others with yours.

http://www.npnhost.com/bbs/index.sht

















==========

Subject: Flu-Ban???

From: "crm356" <crm356@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:24:36 -0800

--------

Hello:

    I am looking for the anti-flu herbal called "Flu-Ban" by Park Research

Inc. of New York.

    I have looked for both with no luck on my part. If anyone has a bit of

information on this please send it my way.

    Your time and kindness are Very... Very ... much appreciated.



                                    Thank You,

                                    Charles Mauro.

                                    crm356@worldnet.att.net









==========

Subject: Athletes Feet

From: "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 02:10:59 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...



thanks

kim





==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:26:01 -0800

--------

Bittenbender wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

> teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

> 

> thanks

> kim



My niece had athletes feet every year while in school.  I gave her some

Tea Tree Oil for her feet.  She has not had it again.





==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:55:37 -0500

--------

Tea tree oil works great.  Apply the oil and work it in until it's almost

gone.  Do that 2-3 times a day.  Use 100% pure.



Frank





Bittenbender wrote in message <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>...

>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>

>thanks

>kim









==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:55:37 -0500

--------

Tea tree oil works great.  Apply the oil and work it in until it's almost

gone.  Do that 2-3 times a day.  Use 100% pure.



Frank





Bittenbender wrote in message <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>...

>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>

>thanks

>kim









==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: DOCR@AmericaMail.com

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:01:13 -0600

--------

In article <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>,

  "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com> wrote:

>

> Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

> teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>

> thanks

> kim

Apple cider vinegar -



The nice thing about using apple cider vinegar is you probably already

have it in the house. It is also less expensive than than tea tree oil,

you do not have to make a special trip to the health food store, and you

can use it in a salad.



I first used this about 30 years ago when I played a lot of squash. I

would pour it directly on the affected area of the feet and rub it in a

little just after taking a shower at home at night. I would also apply it

just before going to bed - letting the feet dry first.



The athlete's feet went away very quickly. (Before that I used to use

Desenex, which alleviated it only a little, so I had to keep buying the

stuff.)



Not a good idea to be used before going to some social function or an

enclosed space with other people. Smells like you have bad foot odor.



The athlete's foot is caused by a fungus which more than likely dies

because of the change of the ph in the skin caused by the vinegar - and

perhaps the minerals in the vinegar.



Dandruff anyone? I have also used apple cider vinegar on this with great

success. When my hair is wet, I apply a solution of 1/2 vinegar and 1/2

water to the scalp. Also after first using this about 30 years ago, I

rarely have had occurrences. When I do, it is gone with just a few of

applications.



DOCR

The John Bears Firtipton Trust



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 12:04:01 -0700

--------



Best way to end athlete's foot is with black walnut powder or

tincture.  It will stop the fungus...be careful it stains!!  Apply to

area on foot, place in an old sock and sleep on it.  I had a med

doctor tell me the only thing that would stop my very bad athlete's

foot was an oral med (the impairment and harm possible to my liver was

not acceptable to me)  Then I had an ayurvedic medical tell me about

Black Walnut.  It is messy but sure.  Read up on this in any complete

herbal book.  God Bless Susan   



DOCR@AmericaMail.com wrote:



>In article <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>,

>  "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com> wrote:

>>

>> Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

>> teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>>

>> thanks

>> kim

>Apple cider vinegar -



>The nice thing about using apple cider vinegar is you probably already

>have it in the house. It is also less expensive than than tea tree oil,

>you do not have to make a special trip to the health food store, and you

>can use it in a salad.



>I first used this about 30 years ago when I played a lot of squash. I

>would pour it directly on the affected area of the feet and rub it in a

>little just after taking a shower at home at night. I would also apply it

>just before going to bed - letting the feet dry first.



>The athlete's feet went away very quickly. (Before that I used to use

>Desenex, which alleviated it only a little, so I had to keep buying the

>stuff.)



>Not a good idea to be used before going to some social function or an

>enclosed space with other people. Smells like you have bad foot odor.



>The athlete's foot is caused by a fungus which more than likely dies

>because of the change of the ph in the skin caused by the vinegar - and

>perhaps the minerals in the vinegar.



>Dandruff anyone? I have also used apple cider vinegar on this with great

>success. When my hair is wet, I apply a solution of 1/2 vinegar and 1/2

>water to the scalp. Also after first using this about 30 years ago, I

>rarely have had occurrences. When I do, it is gone with just a few of

>applications.



>DOCR

>The John Bears Firtipton Trust



>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

>      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet









==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:40:56 -0800

--------

Since athlete's foot is akin to yeast infections, have you tried aloe,

vinegar, or baking soda?



ej



Bittenbender wrote in message <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>...

>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>

>thanks

>kim









==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 04:58:18 GMT

--------

>>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

>>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...



Hi--I've also read that garlic works well for this...have no experience myself

though.  I doubt that garlic powder (from the spice section) would work,

though, would it?  Perhaps crush garlic cloves and soak for a week in the apple

cider vinegar (whew!  imagine that smell!!!)



Does anybody have experience with using garlic for fungal infections such as

this?



Thanks,



Leslie



Personalized Gifts for Your Favorite Sports Fan!!!                             

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Sports.html







==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: Scott Dunbar <appanat@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:21:01 -0400

--------

isn't athletes foot a fungus? has anyone thought to try yew needles or twigs in the



[empty ]shoes? i know it will kill bluemold in  a fridge, and combat mildew in damp



corners. various species grow worldwide, so it's easy to get.and it won't smell so

bad.

if you want to try, and can't find any in your area, write me and i'll locate some

for you

appanat@hotmail.com

        ttfn ian



Laelsport wrote:



> >>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

> >>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

>

> Hi--I've also read that garlic works well for this...have no experience myself

> though.  I doubt that garlic powder (from the spice section) would work,

> though, would it?  Perhaps crush garlic cloves and soak for a week in the apple

> cider vinegar (whew!  imagine that smell!!!)

>

> Does anybody have experience with using garlic for fungal infections such as

> this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Leslie

>

> Personalized Gifts for Your Favorite Sports Fan!!!

> http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Sports.html











==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 22:18:23 GMT

--------

 > Laelsport wrote:

> 

> > >>Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

> > >>teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

> >

 

Try carefully applying (dropwise) tea tree oil directly to the affected 

area.  You may need to reapply a few times to see results, but be careful; 

it's strong stuff.



Good Luck,

Bruce



-- 

Sendai, Japan

to reply, replace "canspam" with "mango"





==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: ksdust@hotmail.com (Donna)

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:22:37 GMT

--------

If the boys' feet aren't sore (have cracks, etc.) they might try

pouring rubbing alcohol over them after their bath.



Do they get the infection in the showers at school?  If so maybe the

school can take some steps to prevent this in the future.



Donna







==========

Subject: Re: Athletes Feet

From: rowaan@earthlink.nex (Rowaan)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 13:26:07 GMT

--------

-Bittenbender wrote in message <01bd215a$6f5ed0e0$8a21b7cd@default>...

->Does anyone know of any herbal cures for athletes feet?  I have twin

->teenage, sports minded boys......you know the rest of the story...

->

->thanks

->kim

-

What works for my husband (who is in heavy construction books for 12 +

hours) is Tea Tree Oil.  He applies it liberally on anyplace he has it and

within 2-3 days is seeing it either almost gone or completely gone.  After

work, he washes them well, he applies the oil, wears no socks, drys his

boots out by leaning on the heat vent (VERY important, I believe!).  This

was before we got him another pair of boots to wear.  He now has the same

exact boots and switches back and forth so they can dry out well.  



Hope this helps!!



Warm Regards,



Michelle



To reply to this message, remove the 'x' from nex and relpace with a 't'

or..click on this -> mailto:Rowaan@earthlink.net

Life is not about finding yourself.  Life is about creating yourself.









==========

Subject: Herbal help for Hepatitis C?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 02:39:52 GMT

--------

Hi All,



Since I have already put my question in the subject line,  and since I am a

great believer in herbal medicine,  if anyone has any information on herbal

help for this condition, please advise me via e-mail.   A friend who is

suffering with this condition, could use the information.



e-mail address is puddies@frontiernet.net



I will then forward replies to the individual.



Thanks very much for any sincere help offered.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal help for Hepatitis C?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:42:19 -0500

--------

The Puddies wrote in message <69jsto$2h02$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>...

>Hi All,

>

>Since I have already put my question in the subject line,  and since I am a

>great believer in herbal medicine,  if anyone has any information on herbal

>help for this condition, please advise me via e-mail.   A friend who is

>suffering with this condition, could use the information.

>

>Regards,

>Evelyn

>





I assume you've already recommended silymarin (extract from milk thistle

seeds).  This is a well-researched and effective liver-protectant.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: dragons blood

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 06:32:34 GMT

--------

Dragon's Blood is the resin of a palm-type tree



folklorically it is associated with love and protection



Hope this helps



Jia Starsong

http://members.aol.com/JiaStar/index.html





==========

Subject: Re: dragons blood

From: ashke <ashke@EriNet.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:07:34 -0500

--------

Hi!  Dragon's blood  is a resin from a palm tree (Daemonorops draco;

Dracaena spp.) and it is mainly used as an incense and for magickal

uses. I don't know if it has any legitimate medical uses.  If anyone

knows of the medicinal uses, I would like to hear of them also.

Becky



Donald E. Best wrote:



> Hi I'am new to this but anyone what dragons blood is.?











==========

Subject: Re: dragons blood

From: Robin <robin@pfwight.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:25:34 +0000

--------

I seem to remember there are at least 2 other red powders that are sold

as dragon's blood. One of the forms is a _mild_ narcotic. Sorry I have

not got the details, but I'm sure it's in one of my books somewhere...



The point is make sure you know exactly which type of dragon's blood you

have before you use it!



In article <34C236D5.4AC90307@EriNet.com>, ashke <ashke@EriNet.com>

writes

>Hi!  Dragon's blood  is a resin from a palm tree (Daemonorops draco;

>Dracaena spp.) and it is mainly used as an incense and for magickal

>uses. I don't know if it has any legitimate medical uses.  If anyone

>knows of the medicinal uses, I would like to hear of them also.

>Becky

>

>Donald E. Best wrote:

>

>> Hi I'am new to this but anyone what dragons blood is.?

>

>

>



-- 



"...But the worst of all hatred

 Is that which is planned

 Against what we have

 In this goddess of land" - Levellers (Maid of the River)



Robin





==========

Subject: Treatment for dog urinary stone

From: "PL" <lamwp@yahoo.com>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 07:26:21 GMT

--------

1/14/98



My dog Happy ( a 6-yr old sheltie) just had urinary bladder stones removed

and is currently on a special diet. I would really apprepiate

if someone can offer any additional herbal or dietary suggestions for long

term prevention of urinary stones. The main ingredients of the

stones are calcium oxalate, magnesium, and ammonium.



John.





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Subject: Re: Treatment for dog urinary stone

From: mikes84692@aol.com (MikeS84692)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 23:18:19 GMT

--------

In article <01bd2187$9137d9a0$3c1ed2cc@peter.san.rr.com>, "PL"

<lamwp@yahoo.com> writes:



>My dog Happy ( a 6-yr old sheltie) just had urinary bladder stones

>removed

and is currently on a special diet. I would really apprepiate

if

>someone can offer any additional herbal or dietary suggestions for long

term

>prevention of urinary stones. The main ingredients of the

stones are calcium

>oxalate, magnesium, and ammonium.



Contact PetSage at either http://www.petsage.com or info@petsage.com or

Petsage, 4313 Wheeler Ave, Alexandra, VA 22304 (703) 823-9711 or fax them at

(703) 823-9714. 



They have ALL TYPES of Herbal and dietary supplements for Pets who have special

needs, such as urinary problems and many other conditions. Lots of luck. 







==========

Subject: Re: Treatment for dog urinary stone

From: atacama@global.co.za

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:30:50 GMT

--------





Try writing to solomons@slt.lk



who can help with special remedies against stones.



Vera Bell - Africa



n 16 Jan 1998 23:18:19 GMT, mikes84692@aol.com (MikeS84692) wrote:



>In article <01bd2187$9137d9a0$3c1ed2cc@peter.san.rr.com>, "PL"

><lamwp@yahoo.com> writes:

>

>>My dog Happy ( a 6-yr old sheltie) just had urinary bladder stones

>>removed

>and is currently on a special diet. I would really apprepiate

>if

>>someone can offer any additional herbal or dietary suggestions for long

>term

>>prevention of urinary stones. The main ingredients of the

>stones are calcium

>>oxalate, magnesium, and ammonium.

>

>Contact PetSage at either http://www.petsage.com or info@petsage.com or

>Petsage, 4313 Wheeler Ave, Alexandra, VA 22304 (703) 823-9711 or fax them at

>(703) 823-9714. 

>

>They have ALL TYPES of Herbal and dietary supplements for Pets who have special

>needs, such as urinary problems and many other conditions. Lots of luck. 

>







==========

Subject: Re: Treatment for dog urinary stone

From: Margaret.@mailexcite.com

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:38:18 GMT

--------

On 16 Jan 1998 23:18:19 GMT, mikes84692@aol.com (MikeS84692) wrote:



>

>Contact PetSage at either http://www.petsage.com or info@petsage.com or

>Petsage, 4313 Wheeler Ave, Alexandra, VA 22304 (703) 823-9711 or fax them at

>(703) 823-9714. 

>

>They have ALL TYPES of Herbal and dietary supplements for Pets who have special

>needs, such as urinary problems and many other conditions. Lots of luck. 



Hi Mike,

Thank you for this info.  My 8 yr. old dalmation has had liver

problems all her life, and when I notice her acting up I start giving

her Marshmallow root capsules and extra vitamins.  I've also used

other herbal remedies for the other 4 footed critters in the house (2

dogs, 2 cats) with my veterinarian's approval.  In fact, in the case

of the dalmation, they encourage me to use the natural stuff cause

it's much more gentle on her system.

Your info is greatly appreciated!!!







You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

thing: no one to blame. 

Erica Jong





==========

Subject: Re: appititie stimulant?

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:11:40 -0500

--------

Hi to all of you,



The following herbs are the best appetite stimulants:

Bay, Chamomile, Chives, Coriander (cilantro), Dill, and Mint.



-- 

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com

paul wrote in message <69k56a$ljc$2@excalibur.flash.net>...

>what is the best herb for stimulating the appitite?

>thanks, please e-mail me.

>Paul

>







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Subject: What is MOXI?

From: skwarek@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl (Artur Skwarek)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:24:20 GMT

--------



Hi!

If You know what MOXI is, please mail me...

skwarek.us.edu.pl







==========

Subject: Re: What is MOXI?

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:02:26 GMT

--------

On 15 Jan 1998 12:24:20 GMT, skwarek@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl (Artur

Skwarek) wrote:



>

>Hi!

>If You know what MOXI is, please mail me...

>skwarek.us.edu.pl



It's the fluffy stuff that traditional acupuncturists stick on the end

of the pins to slowly burn.





-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: What is MOXI?

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 20:27:13 GMT

--------

Moxi  or sometimes called Moxa (artemisiae Argyl: (Ai Rong)) is an oriental

herb.



Mora





==========

Subject: Re: What is MOXI?

From: ross @-sign together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 20:52:44 GMT

--------

Others have replied about Moxa (mugwort), but there is a soft drink called 

"Moxie" which is made with the bitter extract of gentian root.  Perhaps this 

is to what you refer?





In article <19980120202700.PAA23596@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dragonmrsh@aol.com 

(DragonMrsh) wrote:

>Moxi  or sometimes called Moxa (artemisiae Argyl: (Ai Rong)) is an oriental

>herb.

>

>Mora





==========

To: Artur Skwarek <skwarek@usctoux1.cto.us.edu.pl>

Subject: Re: What is MOXI?

From: Robert Gale <rhgale@courant.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:01:00 -0500

--------





Artur Skwarek wrote:



> Do You know, what is MOXI?

> Please, help me.

> Mail to:

> skwarek@us.edu.pl



  Don't know what was in it but I loved it! A carbonated beverage with a

bitter edge, not marketed in the states any more.

Bob







==========

Subject: Re: What is MOXI?

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:48:05 -0500

--------



Robert Gale wrote in message <34C8B0AA.22C7CC1E@courant.infi.net>...

>

>Artur Skwarek wrote:

>

>> Do You know, what is MOXI?

>> Please, help me.

>> Mail to:

>> skwarek@us.edu.pl

>

>  Don't know what was in it but I loved it! A carbonated beverage with a

>bitter edge, not marketed in the states any more.

>Bob

>



I ADD (and disagree with Bob)

Moxie is in many grocery stores, convenience stores and big supermarkets

here in central New England (NH & MA).  My grandmother named her favorite

dog 'moxie'.  Gentian root, a stomach tonic imparts the bitterness, but it

does seem a bit sweet these days.

Joanie













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Subject: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 12:32:32 GMT

--------

Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic. I have

harvested many from the fields but do not want to sell them if they might be

bought by teenagers seeking to get high. Is there any market for them for

legitimate reasons? 

thank you

Catherine





==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:44:38 -0500

--------

Yesirree wrote in message <19980115123200.HAA08501@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic.

>

>Catherine



Well... They're a very effective emetic!  ;-)



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:04:01 -0700

--------

yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:



>Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic. I have

>harvested many from the fields but do not want to sell them if they might be

>bought by teenagers seeking to get high. Is there any market for them for

>legitimate reasons? 



You might find a local market for the seeds, but it's not legal

to sell them in some states (they are the host to some pest I

can't remember)

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:02:56 -0500

--------

Yesirree wrote in message <19980115131700.IAA19316@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic. I

have

>harvested many from the fields but do not want to sell them if they might

be

>bought by teenagers seeking to get high. Is there any market for them for

>legitimate reasons?

>thank you

>Catherine



Only a few of the dozens of species and varieties of common morning glories

contain the indole alkaloids which make them "hallucinogenic".  (Actually,

even those do not commonly produce hallucinations, but generally only severe

nausea and a langorous stupor).



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:18:16 GMT

--------

yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:



>Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic. I have

>harvested many from the fields but do not want to sell them if they might be

>bought by teenagers seeking to get high. Is there any market for them for

>legitimate reasons? 



Legitimate market for Morning Glory seeds?

Most people use them for horticultural purposes... 



Actually their reputation as "legal high" can be attributed mostly to

the fact that they can be purchased at virtually every supermarket.

Reportedly some of the large seed-suppliers started treating their

seeds with some nasty chemicals to prevent people from ingesting them.

I have no idea if that's true or not (seeds are often chemically

treated for other reasons) but if it is it surely did/does more harm

than good....



Mike







.-------------------------------------.

| Mike Braben, TAC Ethnobotanicals    |

| E-Mail: alcastellosa@access.ch      |

| http://www.madlex.com/tac/ethno.htm |

'-------------------------------------'









==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: Phipps <mrphipps@slip.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:37:43 -0800

--------

wl-ski wrote:

> 

>  a> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:18:16 GMT

>  a> Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

>  a> From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

> 

>  a> yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:

> 

> >>... use for morning glory seeds... for legitimate reasons?

> 

>  a> Legitimate market for Morning Glory seeds? Most people use them for

>  a> horticultural purposes...

> 

>  a> ... reputation as "legal high" can be attributed mostly to the fact

> that they can be

>  a> purchased at virtually every supermarket. Reportedly some of the

> large seed-suppliers

>  a> started treating their seeds with some nasty chemicals to prevent

> people from ingesting

>  a> them. I have no idea if that's true or not (seeds are often

> chemically treated for other

>  a> reasons) but if it is it surely did/does more harm than good....

> 

> Well Mike, you can be sure that, indeed, some producers treat "their

> seed with some nasty chemicals", but it wasn't "to prevent people from

> ingesting them".  They are treated for horticultural reasons.  There

> have been many warnings issued, because the ch

> emicals could/would prove

> harmful if ingested.  The seeds are *not* intended for ingesting!  They

> are intended for planting!  The "treating" of the seed is to inhance

> this process.  (But it is apparent that you are familiar with all this

> :)

> 



I heard that one of the trace substances in morning glory seeds is 

lysergic acid amine, similar to LSD; however, the amount needed to be 

ingested in order to get high, would also make one ingest a lot of other 

noxious compounds that would make one terribly sick. Sounds like a very 

good enough deterrent without having to suspect sprayed chemicals.





==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:31:15 -0500

--------



Phipps wrote in message <34CFCF57.4A87@slip.net>...

>I heard that one of the trace substances in morning glory seeds is

>lysergic acid amine, similar to LSD; however, the amount needed to be

>ingested in order to get high, would also make one ingest a lot of other

>noxious compounds that would make one terribly sick. Sounds like a very

>good enough deterrent without having to suspect sprayed chemicals.



I can tell you from experience that the lysergic acid amide in morning

glories is NOT similar to LSD.  The overall effect (other than the

overwhelming nausea) is of complete loss of strength in the muscles, mental

confusion, pupil dilation (the only noticeable "visual" effect), followed by

abdominal cramps and a sense of vague unease.  It's worse than a waste of

time, it's an unpleasant waste of time.  On top of that, the LSA's are only

present in certain varieties of a certain species of morning glory, so

someone taking them would *only* experience the nausea - which might be an

improvement, come to think of it.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 01:29:12 GMT

--------

Richard J. Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

:

:Phipps wrote in message <34CFCF57.4A87@slip.net>...

:>I heard that one of the trace substances in morning glory seeds is

:>lysergic acid amine, similar to LSD; however, the amount needed to be

:>ingested in order to get high, would also make one ingest a lot of other

:>noxious compounds that would make one terribly sick. Sounds like a very

:>good enough deterrent without having to suspect sprayed chemicals.

:

:I can tell you from experience that the lysergic acid amide in morning

:glories is NOT similar to LSD.  The overall effect (other than the

:overwhelming nausea) is of complete loss of strength in the muscles, mental

:confusion, pupil dilation (the only noticeable "visual" effect), followed by

:abdominal cramps and a sense of vague unease.  It's worse than a waste of

:time, it's an unpleasant waste of time.  On top of that, the LSA's are only

:present in certain varieties of a certain species of morning glory, so

:someone taking them would *only* experience the nausea - which might be an

:improvement, come to think of it.

:



I had a different experience using morning glory seeds several decades ago.

Yes, nausea, vague unease, but after that, perhaps an hour and a half later, a

feeling of euphoria, accompanied by an intensity of colors.  It didn't last

long, that phase - perhaps an hour - even less.



Needless to say, the entirety of the experience was *definitely* not good

enough to warrant further research. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Better to leave cotton in vitamin bottle?

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:08:18 -0500

--------

Is it better to leave the cotton in or take it out?





==========

Subject: Re: Better to leave cotton in vitamin bottle?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:02:01 -0700

--------

MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:



>Is it better to leave the cotton in or take it out?

the cotton is so the pills won't get battered during shipping.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Better to leave cotton in vitamin bottle?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:08:24 -0500

--------

>Marion wrote in message <69l1o2$3sk$1@newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>Is it better to leave the cotton in or take it out?



Marion, the cotton is there to protect the pills during shipping, so they

will still look like pills when you buy them.  The only reason for leaving

the cotton in would be if you are planning to carry them in a purse or

suitcase, where they might be subjected to a lot of jostling that might

break them.  Even so, it would only work as long as the cotton kept the

pills from moving, so once the bottle was partially empty it might not help.

Balance against this the possibility that repeatedly handling the cotton to

get at the pills would accumulate moisture and possibly bacteria, etc. on

the cotton as a possible source of contamination, and I'd say you were

better off just buying one of the many little portable pill carriers on the

market, if you need to take a few of them with you.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Need school  for herbs  & healing

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:16:20 -0500

--------

Anybody know of a good school?





==========

Subject: Re: Need school  for herbs  & healing

From: WCDM54A@prodigy.com (Paul Rossiter)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 20:04:53 GMT

--------

Susan Weed does an apprenticeship program.  Write her at P.O. Box 64, 

Woodstock, N.Y. 12498.    She also has written several books, including, 

"Healing Wise"







==========

Subject: Re: Need school  for herbs  & healing

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:13:40 GMT

--------

In article <69l274$3t1$1@newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, MsRight@webtv.net

(Marion) writes:



>Anybody know of a good school?



Depends on what you want to do with your education. Herbal education in the

States is extremely wide and varied (like the profession). Many schools

concentrate on teaching people to be teachers, or on how to use herbs in your

own life. There's a lot of good herbalists doing apprencticeship courses,

there's some community colleges now offering herb growing and preparation

classes, and there's programs that concentrate on teaching a specific herbal

system like traditional Chinese medicine or Ayurvedic or Native American...



Do you want to move or do this through the mail? Earn a recognized degree or

just add to your personal achievements?



If you have no herbal background at all, I'd start looking for resources in

your own community. Many health food stores and herbal shops offer some

classes. Talk to the people in your area for recommendations and go from

there...  If you're a little above that stage, e-mail me some specifics and I'd

be happy to share what information that I have found.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: EDUCATIONAL & CAREER OPPORTUNITIES IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE

(to be published April 1998, Prima Publishing, ISBN 0-7615-1244-6) Title still

subject to change.





==========

Subject: Re: Need school  for herbs  & healing

From: Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 11:27:59 -0500

--------

I am also looking for a school in the Ann Arbor, MI area.  There is

nothing listed in the phonebook under even anything remotely related to

herbs (naturopathy, holistic, etc.) and I have no idea where else to

look.  

Please help.





==========

Subject: More sources of herb seeds and plants

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:07:19 -0500

--------

I missed one excellent source of seeds and plants for growing herbs in

yesterday's post.  Their catalog was in my mailbox when I got home

yesterday.  It is:



Horizon Herbs, PO Box 69, Williams, OR 97544.

Phone (541) 846-6704; FAX (541) 846-6233



They don't have a website, but you can request the catalog at

"herbseed@chatlink.com".  They have an outstanding collection, including

Chinese and Ayurvedic  herbs.  They sell *only" *medicinal* herb seeds and

plants.



PS: I have no connection financial or otherwise with Horizon Herbs, their

owners or employees.  Just thought I'd throw that in...



-RJO











==========

Subject: Herb question

From: bailey639@aol.com (Bailey639)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:34:51 GMT

--------

I am looking for a source to purchase herb plants to grow myself - I cannot

find any other than common garden herbs at my local stores. Any suggestions?

(catalogues, websites, etc...) please e-mail me at Bailey639@aol.com

Thanks!

Anne





==========

Subject: Re: Herb question

From: "K.Knowles" <knowles@siservices.net>

Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:27:12 GMT

--------

Try a company called Gaia Herbs located in North Carolina, I believe they

have a website as well.



Bailey639 <bailey639@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980115163400.LAA06152@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> I am looking for a source to purchase herb plants to grow myself - I

cannot

> find any other than common garden herbs at my local stores. Any

suggestions?

> (catalogues, websites, etc...) please e-mail me at Bailey639@aol.com

> Thanks!

> Anne

> 





==========

To: "K.Knowles" <knowles@siservices.net>

Subject: Re: Herb question

From: Bill Woodard <brwam@arn.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:35:57 +0100

--------

A search of the net found..... http://www.mothernature.com  that is for Gaia

Herbs



bill



K.Knowles wrote:



> Try a company called Gaia Herbs located in North Carolina, I believe they

> have a website as well.

>

> Bailey639 <bailey639@aol.com> wrote in article

> <19980115163400.LAA06152@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> > I am looking for a source to purchase herb plants to grow myself - I

> cannot

> > find any other than common garden herbs at my local stores. Any

> suggestions?

> > (catalogues, websites, etc...) please e-mail me at Bailey639@aol.com

> > Thanks!

> > Anne

> >











==========

To: "K.Knowles" <knowles@siservices.net>

Subject: Re: Herb question

From: Bill Woodard <brwam@arn.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:39:34 +0100

--------

A search of the net found..... http://www.mothernature.com  that is for Gaia

Herbs



bill



K.Knowles wrote:



> Try a company called Gaia Herbs located in North Carolina, I believe they

> have a website as well.

>

> Bailey639 <bailey639@aol.com> wrote in article

> <19980115163400.LAA06152@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> > I am looking for a source to purchase herb plants to grow myself - I

> cannot

> > find any other than common garden herbs at my local stores. Any

> suggestions?

> > (catalogues, websites, etc...) please e-mail me at Bailey639@aol.com

> > Thanks!

> > Anne

> >











==========

Subject: Re: Hangover Relief ?

From: "Scott Lee" <sjlee@wwnet.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:38:33 -0500

--------

caGe wrote in message <34BDAAC2.7708@idt.net>...

>I know this has probably been covered umpteen times

>before, but....is there an herb/herbs that make a

>night of imbibing more bearable the next day ?  My

>birthday is next week & I'm bound to be talked into

>tipping a few.......

>





Brewer's Yeast.  Take it before you go to bed with LOTS of water.



(As a side note, homebrewers of beer that naturally carbonate thier brew

will notice that they do not often experience hangovers after

over-indulgence of their brew.  This is due to the brewer's yeast that

remains in the beverage.  Commercial brewers filter this out.)



Scott Lee









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Subject: Re: Hangover Relief ?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:30:35 -0600

--------

Kelli wrote:

> 

> Okay, I realize that after drinking, one might not even remember to do

> this, but the all time best hangover remedy I've ever tried is taken

> BEFORE you go to sleep: two aspirin, LOTS of water...then the next 

> day, something "tomato-y" like tomato soup (cuz your body is craving 

> Vitamin C) or french fries with LOTS of ketchup!  Not the healthiest 

> of remedies, but it's never missed for me yet!  Anything that I've 

> ever tried the day after has NEVER worked, mainly because my stomach 

> won't keep it down.  Being a little proactive goes a long way!



Craving Vitamin C?  Then why, she wonders, did my stomach vehemently

reject the orange juice I tried [once!] as a hangoer cure?



-Kyra ;)





==========

Subject: Re: Hangover Relief ?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:44:08 -0500

--------

Lady Necessity wrote in message <34C017CB.2835@flash.net>...

>Kelli wrote:

>>

>Craving Vitamin C?  Then why, she wonders, did my stomach vehemently

>reject the orange juice I tried [once!] as a hangoer cure?

>

>-Kyra ;)



Possibly because there is really rather little *ascorbic* acid (vitamin C)

in oranges, compared to the relatively large concentration of *citric* acid.

It is more likely the citric acid you reacted to.



-RJO











==========

Subject: SJW TAPER

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 15 Jan 1998 16:45:46 GMT

--------

Hi Everyone:



I will be discontinuing SJW due to increased sleeplessness and

tearfullness, and was wondering if I can just stop taking it, or if I

should taper down.  Would appreciate hearing from you.



Cindi





==========

Subject: Re: SJW TAPER

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:54:32 GMT

--------

>I will be discontinuing SJW due to increased sleeplessness and

>tearfullness, and was wondering if I can just stop taking it, or if I

>should taper down.  Would appreciate hearing from you.

>

>Cindi

>

>



I am curious as to why you were taking SJW.  the symptoms that you desribed

sound like the symptoms that one has before they choose to take SJW.  Just

wondering.

~debra~







==========

Subject: Re: herbs to decrease estrogen or increase

	testosterone/pregoesterone?

From: sengseal@webtv.net (eric johnson)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:11:57 -0600

--------

you might want to try some good quality organicly grown ginseng root.

best to chew small quanity daily for a few weeks.



........ej.....





==========

Subject: Re: herbs to decrease estrogen or increase

	testosterone/pregoesterone?

From: sengseal@webtv.net (eric johnson)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:11:57 -0600

--------

you might want to try some good quality organicly grown ginseng root.

best to chew small quanity daily for a few weeks.



........ej.....





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Subject: source for tribulus terrestris

From: "Nuka V. Reddy" <nvrreddy@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:31:11 -0500

--------

We are looking for a source or company that sells this as bulk herb



Please contact directly nvrreddy@IDT.NET





==========

Subject: Re: source for tribulus terrestris

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 05:23:01 -0700

--------

"Nuka V. Reddy" <nvrreddy@idt.net> wrote:



>We are looking for a source or company that sells this as bulk herb



It's easy to gather your own: just ride a bicycle across any

empty lot in Texas, NM, or AZ and scrape them off the tires.



>Please contact directly nvrreddy@IDT.NET



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: source for tribulus terrestris

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:23:51 -0500

--------



Nuka V. Reddy wrote in message <34BE63FE.3BEA@idt.net>...

>We are looking for a source or company that sells this as bulk herb

>



>Please contact directly nvrreddy@IDT.NET



Kwok Shing Import-Export, Inc.

1818 Harrison Street

San Francisco, CA  94103

TEL: (415) 861-1668

FAX: (415) 861-1524





Great China Herb Company

857 Washington Street

San Francisco, CA 94108











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Subject: high blood pressure

From: stellapr@aol.com (Stellapr)

Date: 15 Jan 1998 19:56:07 GMT

--------

I know weight loss, garlic, exercise and relaxation can all help lower blood

pressure. (and co-enzme 10)  Is there anything else that will help?  Diane





==========

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: Matt Humphrey <mateo@baka.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 01:41:29 -0500

--------

Diane,



You could try the following:

Celery - Eating 4 stalks per day will help lower blood pressure

according to James Duke, Phd.

The Chinese use Kudzu root.  It contains puerarin that has been shown in

Pharmacological studies to reduce BP by 15 % in lab animals.  It is also

a good antioxidant.

Hawthorn is another good herb, not just for the heart, but for dilating

blood vessels.

Duke also suggests eating tomatoes, broccoli, and carrots and

supplementing your diet with magnesium.



Matt H







==========

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 05:25:00 -0700

--------

stellapr@aol.com (Stellapr) wrote:



>I know weight loss, garlic, exercise and relaxation can all help lower blood

>pressure. (and co-enzme 10)  Is there anything else that will help?  Diane



Petting a cat until it purrs!  (not a joke: studies have found

that petting small friendly animals, holding them in your lap, or

snuggling with them caused the blood pressure of the persons

doing it to significantly decrease for a period longer than the

actual interaction took)



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:22:18 -0500

--------

Dianne,



There's a wonderful product available that contains CoQ10, Garlc and

about 30 other Vits, Minerals and herbs like Cats Claw... it costs a

mere $45 retail...  It will be highly benificial.  If interested, drop

me an E



David.





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Subject: herbs to decrease estrogen or increase testosterone/pregoesterone?

From: sporter@nmia.com (Susan Porter)

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:12:35 -0600

--------

are there any natural agents to DECREASE estrogen or bring it into balance

by elevating testosterone and so on?





==========

Subject: Re: herbs to decrease estrogen or increase testosterone/pregoesterone?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 17:14:07 GMT

--------

J Martin (jmartin@echoweb.net) wrote:

:Susan Porter wrote:

:> 

:> are there any natural agents to DECREASE estrogen or bring it into balance

:> by elevating testosterone and so on?

:DHEA, although not an herb, might be helpful.  If you're over 30, it's a

:good idea to take a supplement.  The info that I have says that DHEA

:helps to regulate hormones.....email if you'd like some more info - it's

:all in ahrd copy so I'll have to snail mail it! One of these days, I'll

:figure out how to send it via email!



Most sites advise using dhea after the age of *40*, and only after doing a

dheas blood test. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Kava Kava vs. Xanax

From: nospam@ibm.net (Darrin)

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:00:21 GMT

--------

Someone told me that Kava Kava caps. are a good alternative to

Xanax. Is this true? At one time I heard Valerian was good too,

but I found it useless. If anyone has any good info on Kava,

please let me know.

Thanks a bunch in advance.



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro





==========

Subject: Re: Kava Kava vs. Xanax

From: wilma.heriot@lexis-nexis.com (Wilma Heriot)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:03:10 GMT

--------

I found Kava Kava useless too...



In article <34bef597.11746582@news3.ibm.net>, nospam@ibm.nete says...

>

>Someone told me that Kava Kava caps. are a good alternative to

>Xanax. Is this true? At one time I heard Valerian was good too,

>but I found it useless. If anyone has any good info on Kava,

>please let me know.

>Thanks a bunch in advance.

>

>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







==========

Subject: Re: Kava Kava vs. Xanax

From: bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 20:08:53 GMT

--------

Hi!  I take valerian caps whenever i feel the need to take the "edge"

off...i've never taken Xanax, so I don't know how it compares in relation to

that particular drug, but for me, Valerian sends me off to la la land pretty

quickly.  it's almost as good as smoking good weed...and probably a whole lot

healthier!!!  (lolol)  I've heard alot about the properties of Kava Kava, but

have never taken it.  I guess both these herbs are for those who don't need the

tranquilizing effects on a regular basis???



maureen





==========

Subject: Parasites & Eaters of Decay

From: Bryan Ness <botany.guide@miningco.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 00:58:27 -0800

--------

Read the new article "Parasites & Eaters of Decay" at The Botany Site:



http://botany.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa011498.htm



It is all about parasitic and saprophytic plants and focuses

specifically on indian pipes, mistletoe, dwarf mistletoe and Rafflesia. 

Few plants are as fascinating as these, especially Rafflesia, which

produces the world's largest flower at about three feet in diameter.



Other articles and resources are also available at The Botany Site: 

http://botany.miningco.com



Bryan

--

______________________________________________________________

Bryan Ness, Botany Guide           http://botany.miningco.com/

botany.guide@miningco.com





==========

Subject: Herbal remedy for Arthritis?

From: bailey639@aol.com (Bailey639)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 15:30:26 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of any herbal remedy to help ease arthritis pain? 

Anne





==========

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for Arthritis?

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 12:58:39 GMT

--------

what type of arthritis pain?  swelling, joint aches, joint disfiguring, back

pain?



check out this website for great information about the different types of

arthritis:  http://www.rheumatology.org/patient/



Though the American College of Rheumatology does not mention any use of herbal

treatments, there is excellent information there on the different types,

symptoms, conventional treatments.



It continues to boggle my mind that with this disease so little is known about

its causes, and most folks don't realize how devasting arthritis as a chronic

disease affects the whole body.



CRD









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for Arthritis?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:59:30 -0500

--------

My Mom had chronic rheumatoid arthritis... her hands were disfigured and

very painful... she could not close her fingers to hold a pencil.....

and would have to sleep with splints on her fingers, with rubber bands

attatched to try and straighten the fingers out..... 



She was introduced to 2 products manufactured by Sportron

Interntional.... A-tron and Omegatone....



A-tron is a vitamin,mineral and herbal combination designed specifically

to support the skeletal system of the body



Omegatone is a combination of Salmon Oil and Primrose oil and a few

synergistic compounds......



After a few months the relief was incredible..... she remains pain free

and boasts that she has been given her hands back...... she delights in

screwing open a bottle of pickles etc... and in carrying 6packs of coke

etc....



I can put you in touch with her or help you myself in terms of locating

these products.



 





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Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for Arthritis?

From: Robin <robin@pfwight.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:26:59 +0000

--------

In article <19980116153001.KAA18479@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Bailey639

<bailey639@aol.com> writes

>Does anyone know of any herbal remedy to help ease arthritis pain? 

>Anne



Try a herbal tea with white willow bark, nettle and raspberry leaves. 



Scrape the fresh bark of white willow into a sauspan. The bit you need

is the bit just under the bark so scrape quite hard. You don't need

much, just a few square inches. Add nettle tops (a small handfull) and

the raspberry leaves (half the amount of nettle). Add enough water to

cover and simmer for a few mins. Strain. Taste a little, if it is too

strong dilute it. Add honey if you like to sweeten.



White willow contains a sort of natural soluble asprin. I tend to use

goat willow. I don't know how close it is chemically to the shop stuff,

but don't try it if you are alergic to asprin just in case. When you cut

willow cut an extra piece and stick it in the ground. It will grow into

another tree!



Nettle (stinging nettle) helps heal arthritic joints. It is not a

'miracle' cure, but I've found it does work quite well over time. It

certainly seems to stop it getting any worse.



The raspberry leaves will help relax the muscles. Quite often folk have

tense muscles with this type of pain, which contributes to making the

pain worse! 



Root ginger in your diet will help prevent the arthiritis getting any

worse.

-- 



"...But the worst of all hatred

 Is that which is planned

 Against what we have

 In this goddess of land" - Levellers (Maid of the River)



Robin





==========

Subject: Re: Herbal remedy for Arthritis?

From: "Brigitte Meister" <bmeister@metronet.de>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:17:12 GMT

--------

Harpagophytum and Urtica urens do well (used as tea and/or capsules)



Bailey639 <bailey639@aol.com> schrieb im Beitrag

<19980116153001.KAA18479@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Does anyone know of any herbal remedy to help ease arthritis pain? 

> Anne

> 





==========

Subject: Rainforest Botanicals

From: "K.Knowles" <knowles@siservices.net>

Date: 16 Jan 1998 16:40:31 GMT

--------

If anyone is interested in helping to save the Amazon Rainforest we invite

you to download our free read article on a man with a mission of helping to

preserve the Amazon Rainforest.  This article details his efforts on

working with the Shipibo Tribes and bringing back with him herbs that have

been healing in the Rainforest for century. You can download this article

at:  http://www.galaxymall.com/commerce/rainforest







==========

Subject: Alfalfa and Herbal Therapy

From: TDildy@sleh.com

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:12:46 -0600

--------

Does anyone have any info on alfalfa causing the blood to clot and it's

use being contraindicated when someone is on anticoagulant therapy?



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

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==========

Subject: Re: Alfalfa and Herbal Therapy

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:12:04 -0600

--------

TDildy@sleh.com wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any info on alfalfa causing the blood to clot and 

> it's use being contraindicated when someone is on anticoagulant 

> therapy?



Alfalfa sprouts have anticoagulant properties in large doses.  The

effect can be semi-cumulative.  The one case of which I know [sorry,

standard disclaimer concerning boxed books...] concerned a person who

was consuming a container [the usual 'strawberry-pint' box] of sprouts

per day.  Hir blood chemistry apparently returned to normal after a

change in diet, duration of the effect's persistence was not stated. 

Apologies, I have no information on whether this effect will be seen

with capsules of dried alfalfa taken as an herb.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Alfalfa and Herbal Therapy

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:12:04 -0600

--------

TDildy@sleh.com wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any info on alfalfa causing the blood to clot and 

> it's use being contraindicated when someone is on anticoagulant 

> therapy?



Alfalfa sprouts have anticoagulant properties in large doses.  The

effect can be semi-cumulative.  The one case of which I know [sorry,

standard disclaimer concerning boxed books...] concerned a person who

was consuming a container [the usual 'strawberry-pint' box] of sprouts

per day.  Hir blood chemistry apparently returned to normal after a

change in diet, duration of the effect's persistence was not stated. 

Apologies, I have no information on whether this effect will be seen

with capsules of dried alfalfa taken as an herb.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Comfrey

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:22:27 -0500

--------

Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

this is mere over-reaction.  



     I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

condition, and the results they've had!



     Thanks!





==========

Subject: Comfrey

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:23:09 -0500

--------

Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

this is mere over-reaction.  



     I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

condition, and the results they've had!



     Thanks!





==========

Subject: Comfrey

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:23:53 -0500

--------

Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

this is mere over-reaction.  



     I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

condition, and the results they've had!



     Thanks!





==========

Subject: Comfrey

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:24:16 -0500

--------

Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

this is mere over-reaction.  



     I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

condition, and the results they've had!



     Thanks!





==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "Brigitte Meister" <bmeister@metronet.de>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:12:45 GMT

--------

Comfrey is often used as a homeopathic remedy internal and external as

ointment.

It is internally used within fractures.



Brigitte



Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> schrieb im Beitrag

<69o8ru$o2c$6@news21.bellglobal.com>...

> Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

> been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

> several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

> history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

> this is mere over-reaction.  

> 

>      I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

> condition, and the results they've had!

> 

>      Thanks!

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:41:44 -0500

--------

Hi friends,



Comfrey as a culinary: fresh leaves and shoots can be eaten as vegetable or

salad.

Comfrey as medicinal: Is very valuable healing herb, and a source of vitamin

B12, and as potential source of protein. Comfrey is also useful as a

poultice for varicose ulcers and a compress for varicose veins, and it

alleviates and heals minor burns.

WARNING: Comfrey is reported to cause serious liver damage if taken in large

amount over long period of time.



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:24:52 -0500

--------



Sabry Alsharkawi wrote in message <69p5q3$ot6$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

>WARNING: Comfrey is reported to cause serious liver damage if taken in

large

>amount over long period of time.





Most of the material claiming toxic effects of comfrey come from somewhat

questionable research done on the *root*, not the leaves; and it was unclear

whether the research was done on the common comfrey (Symphytum officinale)

or on another related plant known as Russian comfrey, which is used

similarly, but is botanically distinct.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: angiesw@gte.net (Angie Nash)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:05:50 GMT

--------



>Sabry Alsharkawi wrote in message <69p5q3$ot6$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

>>WARNING: Comfrey is reported to cause serious liver damage if taken in

>large

>>amount over long period of time.

>

>

>Most of the material claiming toxic effects of comfrey come from somewhat

>questionable research done on the *root*, not the leaves; and it was unclear

>whether the research was done on the common comfrey (Symphytum officinale)

>or on another related plant known as Russian comfrey, which is used

>similarly, but is botanically distinct.



In addition, the studies that were done were conducted by giving

laboratory animals a quantity of comfrey that would be equivalent to

an average-sized man eating roughly 8 - 10 plates of comfrey leaves

per day over a period of several months.



Anything in moderation is normally okay, if it's not toxic to begin

with - remember that the body builds up a resistance to most

substances, thus illustrating the need to "take breaks" from most

herbs and vitamins from time to time.



Take care.





==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:26:23 -0800

--------

> 

> Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

> been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

> several warnings about toxicity.  



I do drink Comfrey as a tea.  It is wonderful.  I do use caution with it

while drinking it.  I drank it after the birth of my last son to help

with the healing process.  I never drink more than 2 cups a day and for

never longer than 7 days.  I do drink it occasionally just because I

like the taste of the tea.  





J9





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Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:26:47 GMT

--------

--

Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> schrieb im Beitrag

<69o8ru$o2c$6@news21.bellglobal.com>...

Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

this is mere over-reaction.  



    I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

condition, and the results they've had!



     Thanks!

--



Confrey (Symphytum officinale) contains pyrrolizidine alkaloids know to

be toxic to the liver.  Its a potential risk if taken internally.

There are probably safer alternatives for internal use.



Pete Lundy RPh,MA

plundy3@hotmail.com





==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:35:22 -0500

--------



Anne Rocchio wrote in message <69o8oh$o2c$1@news21.bellglobal.com>...

>Just wondering if anyone takes comfrey internally anymore.  I've

>been growing it for years, and use it for external purposes only, due to

>several warnings about toxicity.  However, comfrey does have such a

>history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

>this is mere over-reaction.

>

>     I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

>condition, and the results they've had!





ONE DAY, years ago when I still walked or rode my bicycle everywhere I went,

I ran across an 85 year old Finnish man in Townsend, Massachusetts, who was

out tending his enormous comfrey garden -I'd say it covered nearly a half

acre.  I stopped to talk and he told me had been eating this instead of meat

since he was a child.  He had no visual signs of liver damage, was as lean

and as strong as those half his age, and lived there, tending and eating his

comfrey until his children decided he shouldn't be living alone and took him

away to a home where he had to eat what he was given....and I am sure that

did not include his daily comfrey salad.  JUST AN ANECDOTE, BUT ONE THAT

MADE A STRONG IMPRESSION ON ME....



Joanie MacPhee









==========

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: poohsticks@compuserve.com (Philippa Fitzpatrick)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 01:31:41 -0000

--------

In article <69o8pi$o2c$3@news21.bellglobal.com>, 

anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca says...

> However, comfrey does have such a

> history - it has been used internally for ages - I'm now wondering if

> this is mere over-reaction.  



i didn't hear about any of this!! - probably for the best, dont want to 

go around getting bothered :o)..... my mum used it for a broken arm, to 

try and help the bone heal quickly and there were no side effects at all, 

and i dont think shes been killed by it..... :o)....



>      I'd love to hear from anyone who does take it internally, for any

> condition, and the results they've had!

> 

>      Thanks!



it seemed to work pretty well actually - the bone was fixed up in no 

time..... she took it in a tea form, having a cup or two a day made from 

organic grown stuff (loose leaves, in a teapot)...



like i say, no problems here :o)



martin





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Subject: Gotu Kola References

From: salvia2@aol.com (Salvia2)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 18:31:06 GMT

--------

Someone asked about the book I had mentioned with specific references to

scientific studies on centella asiatica (Gotu Kola).  I still can't find it,

but I'm almost certain the exact title is ~New Generation Herbals~, so perhaps

you can find it through that.  The other herbs talked about in the book, which

have been extensively tested and proven to work, are (as I recall) Ginseng,

Bilberry, Butcher's Broom, Milk Thistle, and Ginkgo.



Another book which has cites of scientific studies done on Gotu Kola, and which

I think is an excellent herbal reference in general, is Michael T. Murray's

~The Healing Power of Herbs~.



MH





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Subject: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: Marguerite <ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:50:27 -0600

--------

Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

suggestions.



Thanks

-- 

Marguerite

*****************************************************************************

             Tiger Woods plays in the Johnnie Walker Classic

                       in Thailand on January 19-25.

                         Be there or be square.

          ******************************************************





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Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: Phoenix <talker@dialnet.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:16:34 -0600

--------

I have found that a strong tea made of dried peppermint  works well.  Add honey

to taste.



Phoenix



Marguerite wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

> healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

> suggestions.

>

> Thanks

> --

> Marguerite

> *****************************************************************************

>              Tiger Woods plays in the Johnnie Walker Classic

>                        in Thailand on January 19-25.

>                          Be there or be square.

>           ******************************************************











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Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 07:25:45 GMT

--------

Marguerite (ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan) wrote:

:Thanks Phoenix for the reply.  I will buy a peppermint tea from my

:organic health food store.

:

:



I can second Phoenix's suggestion.  I use peppermint tea for heartburn and it

works very effectively. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:36:10 GMT

--------

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:50:27 -0600, Marguerite

<ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan> wrote:



>Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

>healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

>suggestions.

>

>Thanks



Indonesian ginger tea works very well but it's not easy to get. If you

can't get it then try to make your own:



Cut up some fresh ginger root very finely and "mash" it with sugar.

Leave it for about a day and then make tea with it. Vary the mix to

find a strength and sweetness that you like. 	



-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: ashke <ashke@EriNet.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:19:17 -0500

--------

Hi! Here is something that I tried and found that it worked better than the

prescription strength Pepcid that my doctor gave to me.

Heartburn Medicine

1oz. powdered ginger

1oz. powdered licorice root

1oz. powdered caraway seed

1oz. powdered fennel seed

  Mix together in a jar. This makes a large amount of powder; just take out a

teaspoon full or fill a tea strainer with some whenever you want or need to drink

some of this tea. It tastes surprisingly sweet and good without any added

sweetner. I hope this works for you as well as it works for me.



Becky



Marguerite wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

> healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

> suggestions.

>

> Thanks

> --

> Marguerite

> *****************************************************************************

>              Tiger Woods plays in the Johnnie Walker Classic

>                        in Thailand on January 19-25.

>                          Be there or be square.

>           ******************************************************











==========

To: Marguerite <ReallyBig@TigerWoods.fan>

Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: Tabitha <f64tb5h0@students.su.se>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:05:13 +0100

--------

Marguerite wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

> healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

> suggestions.

> 

> Thanks

> --

> Marguerite

> *****************************************************************************

>              Tiger Woods plays in the Johnnie Walker Classic

>                        in Thailand on January 19-25.

>                          Be there or be square.

>           ******************************************************



Try chewing a tablespoon of fennelseeds.

Good luck, 

Tabitha

-- 



    \|/  

   /   \

   |0^0|

 mm\ ~ /mm





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Subject: Re: Herbs/teas for heartburn

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:19:02 GMT

--------

--

On  Mon, 19 Jan 1998 01:05:13 +0100,  Tabitha <f64tb5h0@students.su.se> wrote ...

 Marguerite wrote:

 > 

 > Does anyone know of any herbs or combinations of herbs that are good for

 > healing heartburn?  I prefer teas, but am receptive to other

 > suggestions.

 > 

 > Thanks

 > --

 > Marguerite

 

Its not an herb, but sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) works for some people.

It's an antacid that used often.  Also peppermint and licorice teas can

help.  Be careful with licorice because it contain a chemical that can effect 

blood pressure.  Licorice designated as DGL has the chemical removed that effects

blood pressure.  Also it can cause sodium retention if used for long periods.



Pete Lundy RPh,MA

plundy3@hotmial.com 





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Subject: Help for Sarcoidosis

From: LeBeau Ealy <lebeao@jps.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0800

--------

Any alternative therapies that will help Sarcoidosis?????



Any info would be appreciated.



Thanks

Derek







==========

Subject: Re: Help for Sarcoidosis

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:33:36 GMT

--------

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:10:55 -0800, LeBeau Ealy <lebeao@jps.net> wrote:



>Any alternative therapies that will help Sarcoidosis?????



Derek,



Here is something that a friend wrote. He suggested looking into Medline

for more. I did. I found 32 citations connecting celiac disease and

sarcoidosis! (And this was a year ago.) If one has both, then controlling

the celiac disease may help controlling the sarcoidosis. I can e-mail the

32 citations and some abstracts if you're interested.



From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 17:24:19 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Re: sarcoidosis



Sarcoidosis has repeatedly been associated with celiac disease. Some

researchers seem to view it as a condition which results from untreated  

celiac disease, while others see it as coincident with celiac disease.

Here are a couple of references you might want to look at:



1. Douglas, et. al. "Sarcoidosis and Coeliac Disease: An Association?" 

_Lancet_ 1984; July 7:13-15



2. Karlish "Coeliac Disease and Diffuse Lung Disease" _Lancet_ 1971; May 

22: 1077



A medline search might reveal more information to you, and I would suggest

that you satisfy yourself of the connection.



In #1, it says, in part: "These cases suggest there may be an association

between coeliac disease and sarcoidosis, but formal studies of small bowel

function in sarcoidosis are needed to confirm this. It is important to 

recognise that these two conditions can occur together and that unexplained

weight loss in a patient with sarcoidosis may be caused by coeliac

disease."



You might consider suggesting that your friend get a full panel of blood 

tests for celiac disease, as it is usually a very treatable condition. And

I have been pleasantly surprised by the resolution of other, apparently

unrelated health problems, that have cleared up on the diet since I was

diagnosed. I hope she is similarly surprised.  





Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan

http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



========================================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.







==========

Subject: cayenne pepper

From: "Pedro" <pnp65@mail2.esoterica.pt>

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:50:09 +0100

--------

HI,



Id like some info about cayenne pepper.

Is it anti-inflammatory?

Is it available by mail order?



Thanks



Pedro









==========

To: Pedro <pnp65@mail2.esoterica.pt>

Subject: Re: cayenne pepper

From: kinir <kinir@intnet.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:55:39 -0500

--------

Pedro wrote:

> 

> HI,

> 

> Id like some info about cayenne pepper.

> Is it anti-inflammatory?

> Is it available by mail order?

> 

> Thanks

> 

> Pedro



Here is some information. 

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/cayenne/cayenne1.htm

and

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/order



Yes it is an anti inflammatory,and much much more. Make sure that 

you take cayenne with a full stomach,tho. And it also needs to be

very potent to have any effect. 



Hope this helps.

Michelle





==========

Subject: toenail fungus?? nail polish

From: gmarr@intergate.bc.ca (Gracie Marr)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 02:20:53 GMT

--------

Thanks everyone for all the remedies for this problem, had a good laugh 

at some of the answers!  No one yet has talked about nail polish...being 

a woman I can disguise the nails with polish but will this stop the 

teatree oil, bleach, iodine etc from doing its job?  Sorry to beat this 

topic to death but what the heck!







==========

Subject: Re: toenail fungus?? nail polish

From: "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 13:40:26 GMT

--------

doesnt the polish and remover make it even worse....i have fungus on one

nail on right hand and would love to cover it if it doesnt...



Gracie Marr <gmarr@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in article

<69p4i6$k0v$1@discovery.intergate.bc.ca>...

> Thanks everyone for all the remedies for this problem, had a good laugh 

> at some of the answers!  No one yet has talked about nail polish...being 

> a woman I can disguise the nails with polish but will this stop the 

> teatree oil, bleach, iodine etc from doing its job?  Sorry to beat this 

> topic to death but what the heck!

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Where can I find LAUREL & HELIOTROPE???

From: ponydown@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:25:39 -0800

--------

Please Email me.



pd





==========

Subject: Ottawa

From: abuzzell@chat.carleton.ca (Andrew Buzzell)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 03:27:33 GMT

--------



Anyone know of any herb farms, greenhouses, or related businesses here in

Ottawa?



thanks, 

Andrew



------------------------------------------------------------------------

"This is the age when man has become fully and throughly problematic to

himself."                                                 -Scheller 

                 "... we never pluck up the courage for real

Andrew Buzzell      progress unless urged to it by suffering that seems 

Philosophy              almost out of all proportion"   -Engles

Carleton University

abuzzell@chat.carleton.ca                    WORKERS OF ALL LANDS, UNITE!

-------------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Guarana?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Jan 1998 21:42:01 -0700

--------

Kelli <kelli.moran@nortel.com> wrote:



>Can someone fill me in about Guarana, which is supposed to be an herb

>used in central and south America with 3 to 5x more kick than caffeine?



   It has a higher caffiene content (by weight) than coffee

beans, but it's just caffiene, nothing new.



>I've heard it's starting to be sold here in the states in soda pop and

>the like...true? 

  It's being market here as "Josti"? or something.  Check labels

on cans. 

  For caffiene content: the programmer's friend Jolt Cola, is

hard to beat.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Guarana?

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:52:19 GMT

--------

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:36:04 -0600, Kelli <kelli.moran@nortel.com>

wrote:



>Can someone fill me in about Guarana, which is supposed to be an herb

>used in central and south America with 3 to 5x more kick than caffeine?



It is the caffeine in guarana that produces the kick. It is supposed

to make less caffeine more "bio available" than coffee but it's still

caffeine. I find coffee to be just as good as guarana and far more

pleasant. BTW it's been available outside its original area (South

America) for years.



-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: Guarana?

From: "The CrapHead!" <craphead@techie.com>

Date: 18 Jan 98 20:12:09 -0100

--------

At 16 Jan 1998 21:42:01 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> Kelli <kelli.moran@nortel.com> wrote:

> >I've heard it's starting to be sold here in the states in soda pop and

> >the like...true? 

>   It's being market here as "Josti"? or something.  Check labels

> on cans. 

I think it's "Josta".. Made by Pepsi.. Currently only available in

some states..



--

There is an art, or rather a knack to flying.

The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.







==========

Subject: Emetic morning glory seeds? (wasRe: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: patricia <patrici@alaska.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:52:49 GMT

--------

Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> 

> Yesirree wrote in message <19980115123200.HAA08501@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >Is there any use for morning glory seeds other than a hallucinagenic.

> >

> >Catherine

> 

> Well... They're a very effective emetic!  ;-)

> 

> -RJO



Richard,



Are they emetic in their own right, or because they are poisoned by seed

companies to prevent teenagers from getting high?  (Asking because I'm

looking for a good emetic, NOT a hallucinogen)



Patricia

patrici@alaska.net





==========

Subject: Re: Emetic morning glory seeds? (wasRe: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: callie@primenet.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 07:36:00 -0700

--------

patricia <patrici@alaska.net> wrote:



>Are they emetic in their own right, or because they are poisoned by seed

>companies to prevent teenagers from getting high?  (Asking because I'm

>looking for a good emetic, NOT a hallucinogen)



Patricia - 

   For a safe, fast emetic, go to your pharmacy and buy a small

bottle of "Syrup of Ipecac": it's the extract of an herb

notorious for it's ability to induce voimiting, made palatable by

a lot of glucose.  It is sold for home [poison emergency kits, in

small bottles. 

  If the toddler eats something they shouldn't, call 911, let

them know what the child ate/drank, and that you have the ipecac.

Some poisons do more damage coming back up than they do if you

leave them, so .... Follow the directions!



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Emetic morning glory seeds? (wasRe: morning glory seeds...what to do with them

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 15:32:32 -0500

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34c1ce08.4058078@news.primenet.com>...

>patricia <patrici@alaska.net> wrote:

>

>>Are they emetic in their own right, or because they are poisoned by seed

>>companies to prevent teenagers from getting high?  (Asking because I'm

>>looking for a good emetic, NOT a hallucinogen)





No, they really are emetic, right off the vine.  They are certainly not the

best or even a very good emetic, however.  Certainly, as Callie has pointed

out, Syrup of Ipecac is much better - more reliable and safe, as available

in a standardized form, so you can better judge the required dose.  My

comment regarding morning glory seeds was, I admit, partially facetious.

When I was younger (and much more foolish, I hopefully believe) I was talked

into trying a "morning glory milkshake" made for me by a friend.  The most

memorable part of the experience for me (other than the horrible taste of

the stuff) was the hour or so I spent trying desperately to avoid heaving my

guts out, followed by several hours of stupidly staring at the ceiling

wishing I had the strength to move.  Not to my liking.



-RJO











==========

Subject: brittle fingernails

From: gmarr@intergate.bc.ca (Gracie Marr)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:23:12 GMT

--------

Hi, try Silicea 6X...its made by the Hyland Company and is for skin 

eruptions, brittle hair and nails.

Best Regards, Gracie (the one trying to find about nail fungus!)







==========

Subject: chinese herbs

From: franchis@mail.datanet.hu (Jozsef Telkes)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:34:59 GMT

--------

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==========

Subject: HEARTBURN

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:49:03 GMT

--------

I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

natural I can use?  



Cindi





==========

Subject: HEARTBURN

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:49:06 GMT

--------

I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

natural I can use?  



Cindi





==========

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 16:50:25 GMT

--------

Cindi and Jeff Smith wrote:

> 

> I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

> have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

> natural I can use?

> 

> Cindi





PS  reply:  smitty@frontiernet.net





==========

To: "smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: Daisy <presto@uniserve.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:19:47 -0800

--------

Cindi and Jeff Smith wrote:

> 

> Cindi and Jeff Smith wrote:

> >

> > I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

> > have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

> > natural I can use?

> >

> > Cindi

> 

> PS  reply:  smitty@frontiernet.net

Get some "Super Papaya Enzyme" digestive aid from your health food store

I have used them for  years, it works!!!





==========

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: "tjohnson" <tjohnson@XXXop9.com>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 21:29:08 GMT

--------

Go to a discount store and buy a bottle of calcium tablets - take like

Tums.

They will cost about a penny a tablet, and do the same thing. (they are

same)

Tom



Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in

article <69qne2$toa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>...

> I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

> have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

> natural I can use?  

> 

> Cindi

> 





==========

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 22:39:59 GMT

--------

tjohnson wrote:

> 

> Go to a discount store and buy a bottle of calcium tablets - take like

> Tums.

> They will cost about a penny a tablet, and do the same thing. (they are

> same)

> Tom

> 

> Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in

> article <69qne2$toa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>...

> > I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

> > have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

> > natural I can use?

> >

> > Cindi

> >





As stated in my original post, I have been using Tums for years, but am

now seeking to get the same relief without medication...something

natural.  



Cindi





==========

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: sclark@ptd.net (SW Clark)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:04:54 GMT

--------

On 17 Jan 1998 16:49:06 GMT, Cindi and Jeff Smith

<"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

>have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

>natural I can use?  

>

>Cindi

 I have also suffered from heartburn and indigestion for years (about

5) and tried many different things ( from pepcid, tagament, rolaids,

tums, slippery elm, aloe vera juice).  Believe it or not I found  that

Granny Smith apples worked for me as good as any pepcid tablet. I have

noticed that it works better if dont use an apple thats too ripe.

Little sour is good for me.  I dont know how it works, but for me it

does.  I eat one apple in the morning and one in the latter afternoon.

I can now eat chili or lasagna at night and still the apple seems to

tame the acid.  Sorry Im not a doctor or herbal practioner  but, hey,

it works for me.  I know that apples are not an herb but it is

natural.



Scott





==========

Subject: Re: HEARTBURN

From: unos@aol.com (UNOS)

Date: 18 Jan 1998 06:10:33 GMT

--------



>I have suffered from heartburn chronically since about 10 years ago, and

>have been using Tums whenever it acts up.  Is there something more

>natural I can use?  

>

>Cindi

>

Cindi:

Heartburn is many times caused by a Hiatal Hernia. This affliction, many times

affects persons above the age of 50. Use a good Gallbladder clense formula. If

you need one E-mail me and I will send one that I use in my practice. I have

seen many offered.. but this one seems to work the best. Hundereds of our

patient's hve raved about it.

Kerry









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Subject: headaches, non-migraine

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:51:06 -0800

--------

mickaren@email.msn.com asked if there were any herbs that could help his

wife with her headaches.



I consulted two books that you might want to look at:  The Healing Herbs by

Michael Castelman and Foods to Heal By by Barry Fox, Ph.D



The first thing you should consider is what might be causing her headaches.

If she is using any of these herbs (read the ingredient labels of all your

foods) she should delete them from her 'menu' for at least one month:

Anise, Black Cohosh, Chocolate (I'm so sorry!), Licorice, Thyme oil,

Valerian if taking large amounts.



You might consider these herbs as potential helps for headaches, but please

acknowlege the warnings ( ).

Black Haw (contains salicin -- do not use if pregnant or sensitive to

aspirin)

Feverfew (do not take if pregnant or if taking anticoagulant medication)

Meadowsweet (contains salicin -- do not take if pregnant or sensitive to

aspirin)

Red pepper in the form of capsaicin

Thyme (use the herb not the oil)

Omega-3  -- fatty acids found in fish such as salmon, mackeral, and sardines

Valerian



Aspertame (a.k.a. nutrisweet) gives me unbearable headaches -- it started

slowly, and built up with my use of any diet substances containing

aspartame.  Within the first month after it was introduced, the insides of

my elbows and the backs of my knees would be speckled with bruises if I had

anything with aspartame in it, even one stick of gum.  Needless to say, I do

not use anything with aspartame!!  This is just my personal experiance, I am

not saying that aspartame is a bad guy (I don't want to be sued).



Your wife might want to make a list of all the foods/drinks/snacks she has

the six hours before any of her headaches.  After 4 or more headaches,

compare the lists and see if there are any similarities.  Delete those items

for a while and see if that helps.



One last thing -- has she had her eyes checked lately?  If she needs a new

eye-glass prescription, it could be causing the headaches.



EnJoy the Earth,

ej

http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/index.html











==========

Subject: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: herblady@zippo.com.x (Rastapoodle)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:50:05 GMT

--------

Cross-posted to alt.folklore.herbs, rec.music.reggae,

soc.culture.caribbean. Henriette Kress, keeper of the FAQ for afh,

asked me for some reference material when I corresponded with her

about lemongrass, and this post is in response to that request. I also

believe the information is of interest to readers of the other

newsgroups:



Living in Miami, and being involved in the music business, I get to

meet many people from the Caribbean and South America. Whenever they

see lemongrass in my garden, (especially the Jamaicans and Brazilians)

they call it fevergrass. Typically, a tea is made and given to someone

with a fever. I have never received instructions on dosage, frequency,

etc., but since it seems such an innocuous herb, I would think it

could be taken as often as needed.



I have a citation that calls lemongrass "fevergrass".  It is the book

"Jamaican Herbs - Nutritional & Medicinal Values" by Diane Robertson,

a licensed pharmacist. She does not write about the medicinal use of

it, however, just the culinary attributes. The book is distributed by

DeSola Pinto Associates, P.O. Box 69, Montego Bay, Jamaica. There is a

reference to the publisher : Jamaican Herbs P.O. Box 978 Kingston 8

Jamaica.



This delightful booklet is well-researched, sweetly illustrated, and

shows much sensitivity to the folklore and traditions of the rural

people of Jamaica. A friend picked it up for me in Kingston, and I

believe it was about $8. Well worth it, if you're at all interested in

ethnobotany (it also covers all the trees, fruits, legumes, etc., that

are a part of the Jamaican diet) of the Caribbean and Jamaica, in

particular.



A last note. Lemongrass is native to Brazil, so my deduction is that

the slave trade brought it to Jamaica, where the people found out from

the Brazilians that it could lessen fevers (and make food taste

great).



The book's preface starts with a quote from Genesis "Behold I have

given you every herb bearing seed..."



and the author then quotes a calypsonian song:



*************************************************

"She had Man Piabah, woman Piabah,

Tom Tom fall back and lemongrass

Mini root, gully root, granny backbone, 

Dead man sit up and lib and turro.



She had fill up fi mumma, fill fi puppa,

Jacob ladder and alligator weed,

lime Leaf, pear leaf, soursop leaf!

The only thing shi do't have was 

the wicked ganga weed."

***********************************************

********************************************************

Anya  {{{*_*}}} Herblady@zippo.com RAW#629

Organic Gardening Magazine writer Zone 10 Miami

Bob Marley sez -- "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





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Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: herblady@zippo.com.x (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:45:40 GMT

--------

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:54:15 -0600, Gary Cooper <biggary@utdallas.edu>

wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Rastapoodle wrote:

>

>>... I have a citation that calls lemongrass "fevergrass".  It is the book

>> "Jamaican Herbs - Nutritional & Medicinal Values" by Diane Robertson,

>> a licensed pharmacist. Medicinal uses include ague, fevers, and as a

>> bush bath. ...

>

>What's a bush bath?

>Gary



Gary, I'll check with a Jamaican lady I know asap, but right off the

top of my head, I would say that's the Jamaican phrase for an herb

bath.  Meaning, you take a quantity of the herb, boil it to infuse the

medicinal qualities into the pot of water, then add that water,herbs

strained out, into bath water. Soak, relax, enjoy. And, I guaantee,

you'll smell like a lemon drop candy!  And feel better, too.



*********************************************************

Anya  {{{*_*}}}       Herblady@zippocom RAW#629

Organic Gardening writer                 Zone 10 Miami

Bob Marley sez --          "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: Christopher Durning <cjd2@columbia.edu>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:48:36 -0500

--------

Very common item in the WI is bush tea, usually the morning beverage,

often made w/ lemongrass but also w/ basil and other herbs.  This is the

preferred morning cup in the VI for example, 



Chris D.



On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Rastapoodle wrote:



> On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:54:15 -0600, Gary Cooper <biggary@utdallas.edu>

> wrote:

> >On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Rastapoodle wrote:

> >

> >>... I have a citation that calls lemongrass "fevergrass".  It is the book

> >> "Jamaican Herbs - Nutritional & Medicinal Values" by Diane Robertson,

> >> a licensed pharmacist. Medicinal uses include ague, fevers, and as a

> >> bush bath. ...

> >

> >What's a bush bath?

> >Gary

> 

> Gary, I'll check with a Jamaican lady I know asap, but right off the

> top of my head, I would say that's the Jamaican phrase for an herb

> bath.  Meaning, you take a quantity of the herb, boil it to infuse the

> medicinal qualities into the pot of water, then add that water,herbs

> strained out, into bath water. Soak, relax, enjoy. And, I guaantee,

> you'll smell like a lemon drop candy!  And feel better, too.

> 

> *********************************************************

> Anya  {{{*_*}}}       Herblady@zippocom RAW#629

> Organic Gardening writer                 Zone 10 Miami

> Bob Marley sez --          "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

> *********************************************************

> "Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

>   God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

> *********************************************************

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: "Ross Drewe" <rdrewe@nospam.com>

Date: 27 Jan 1998 08:24:41 GMT

--------

Christopher Durning <cjd2@columbia.edu> wrote

> Very common item in the WI is bush tea, usually the morning beverage,

> often made w/ lemongrass but also w/ basil and other herbs.  This is

the

> preferred morning cup in the VI for example, 



Just be careful which bush you use for your bush tea.  Lemongrass is

probably OK.  However, it is said that the traditional bush tea in the

WI is not made with lemon grass but with other species of plants.  It

is well established that some of these plants can cause irreversible

liver damage (veno-occlusive disease of the liver) due to toxic

pyrrolozidine alkaloids which are a natural component of the plant.

Details of the species involved and the histopathological changes in

the liver can be obtained from textbooks and medical databases such as

Medline. Toxic alkaloids are also present in other herbs, even common

ones such as comfrey, in sufficient amounts to have caused injury. 



Ross Drewe





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Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:59:52 -0500

--------

Ross Drewe wrote in message <01bd2afd$0b698880$249c0ccb@rd>...

>Just be careful which bush you use for your bush tea.  Lemongrass is

>probably OK.





Considering that lemongrass in consumed in the form of curry seasoning in

rather large quantities over long periods of time by virtually the entire

population of SE Asia, I think it's safe to assume it is non-toxic.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: herblady@zippo.com.x (Rastapoodle)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:47:04 GMT

--------

To all of you who wrote to ask me where to get lemongrass plants, I'll

repeat this post:



Any Asian grocery with a produce section should have lemongrass

stalks. They usually come bundled, about 6 or 8 to the bunch. They are

cheap, usually $1+/lb.



Look for stalks with some knobby root area at the base. Place the

stalks in water just to cover the root area. Change the water daily.

In less than a week, you will see little white roots emerging. Either

plant them in soil then, or wait until more roots develop, if you feel

safer working with more roots.



That's it. They do well in sun/partial shade, keep well watered until

the plants are large and established, then you can really cut back on

the water, they survive well under drought conditions, although they

may shrink a little.



Lemongrass is easy to grow in pots on a sunny windowsill, also.

*********************************************************

Anya  {{{*.*}}}    Herblady@zippocom RAW#629

Organic Gardening writer                 Zone 10 Miami

Bob Marley sez --       "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: herblady@zippo.com.x (Rastapoodle)

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:05:44 GMT

--------

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:54:15 -0600, Gary Cooper <biggary@utdallas.edu>

wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Rastapoodle wrote:

>

>>... I have a citation that calls lemongrass "fevergrass".  It is the book

>> "Jamaican Herbs - Nutritional & Medicinal Values" by Diane Robertson,

>> a licensed pharmacist. Medicinal uses include ague, fevers, and as a

>> bush bath. ...

>

>What's a bush bath?

>Gary

Gary, I did check with Miss B and a bush bath is what we call an herb

bath, which is what I thought. The Jamaicans use the word bush

frequently to describe herbs. So, all you do is boil the leaves and

stalks for about 15 minutes, strain the decoction, and pour it in a

lukewarm bath. Soak, relax, you turn into a sweet lemondrop! 



*********************************************************

Anya  {{{*.*}}}    Herblady@zippocom RAW#629

Organic Gardening writer                 Zone 10 Miami

Bob Marley sez --        "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: stoddard@f1n7.u.arizona.edu (Mari J Stoddard)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 16:44:51 GMT

--------



Here in Tucson, lemongrass grows with enthusiasm and verve.  My original

stalk is, three years later, six plants each 4'x4'.  In winter, I haircut

them down to 2'x2' and remove many of the outer stalks.  Each of those

stalks whimpers "plant me, and I'll grow big and strong for you."  Don't

do it!  If you live in a mild-winter area, this is a very tenacious and

determined plant.  (For those new to gardening, words like "determined",

"tenacious," and "grows with enthusiam" are synomyns for "invasive weed.")  



We have 8-15 days of frost (below 30degF) each year, but lemongrass

doesn't care. Also -- the leaves are quite sharp.  Avoid planting it where

children or bare legs will brush against it.  My cat loves lemongrass,

both for nibbling and lurking. I love it for baths, tea,

back-of-the-flower-bed, and chewing on hot days. It makes a great smudge

for cool but insecty evenings -- add a few stalks of rosemary or sage to

the barbecue as well.   



-- 

Mari Stoddard          520 / 626-2925





==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:07:42 -0500

--------

Mari J Stoddard wrote in message <6al2u3$efi$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu>...

>

>Here in Tucson, lemongrass grows with enthusiasm and verve.  My original

>stalk is, three years later, six plants each 4'x4'.  In winter, I haircut

>them down to 2'x2' and remove many of the outer stalks.  Each of those

>stalks whimpers "plant me, and I'll grow big and strong for you."  Don't

>do it!  If you live in a mild-winter area, this is a very tenacious and

>determined plant.  (For those new to gardening, words like "determined",

>"tenacious," and "grows with enthusiam" are synomyns for "invasive weed.")





LOL!  Yeah, lemongrass does seem to have a mind of it's own.  I haven't had

it take over my garden (at least, not yet), but the warnings I was given

about it's tender, tropical nature were definitely somewhat off the mark.

The worst I've seen is some burning and drying on the leaves after a really

cold spell here in North Central Florida, and it just comes back stronger

than ever.  I think as long as the ground doesn't actually freeze, it will

continue to thrive.



>My cat loves lemongrass, both for nibbling and lurking.



Mine seem to think I planted it there just for them.  They like to "lurk" in

its shade, then pounce on me as I walk down the row.



That's a great idea for the bar-b-q.  I'll have to try that.  Apparantly

quite a number of the lemon-scented herbs are disliked by our blood-sucking

uninvited guests, since I've heard pretty much the same about lemon thyme

and lemon verbena.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 13:21:19 GMT

--------

thank you both for the great posts about lemongrass.  Never tried to grow it

because there was no need.   Sounds like I can create a need for it <g> if for

no other reason than to keep the felines happy.



*B*B

CRD





==========

To: Rastapoodle <herblady@zippo.com.x>

Subject: Re: Lemongrass = Fevergrass

From: ras richard i <selassie@swbell.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:19:24 -0800

--------

Rastapoodle wrote:





i drink lemongrass,rosemary, and ginger tea every morn



peace and blessings







ras richard i





==========

Subject: Pro.  H.G.H.   floride

From: "jmcshane@accessweb.com" <jmcshane@accessweb.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:40:03 -0700

--------

I have a lady looking for some info on Pro. H.G.H. - floride.  This is

all she wrote down on a sheet of paper for me to search for.  Any body

out there maybe know what this is and it so some of its' attributes.



Thanks







==========

Subject: Pro.  H.G.H.   floride

From: "jmcshane@accessweb.com" <jmcshane@accessweb.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:40:50 -0700

--------

I have a lady looking for some info on Pro. H.G.H. - floride.  This is

all she wrote down on a sheet of paper for me to search for.  Any body

out there maybe know what this is and it so some of its' attributes.



Thanks







==========

Subject: bloodroot

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:15:51 GMT

--------

I finally came across some bloodroot extract and would like to learn

how to make a topical paste out of it.  If anyone has info on this,

please let me know.



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Looking for a wholesale supplier of Herbs and medicinals

From: "Thomas SevenCrows" <SvnCrowz@swbell.net>

Date: 17 Jan 1998 21:19:42 GMT

--------

Hello 

I am trying to find a wholesale supplier of herbs and medicinals, For a

retail store I am planning to open.  Any suggestions would be greatly

recommended.

Thomas SevenCrows





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for a wholesale supplier of Herbs and medicinals

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:42:44 -0800

--------

> Hello

> I am trying to find a wholesale supplier of herbs and medicinals, For a

> retail store I am planning to open.  Any suggestions would be greatly

> recommended.

> Thomas SevenCrows





Here is a company I buy my herbs from and I really like the quality. 

Several of the health food stores around me also order from this

company.  Check out the web site for Frontier Herbs. 

http://www.frontierherb.com;homepage.html





J9





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Subject: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: richj@fc.hp.com (Rich Johnson)

Date: 17 Jan 1998 21:27:34 GMT

--------



Hi,



   I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it carried a warning

about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning against

using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness. I looked through my copy of

the FAQ and didn't find much in the way of an explanation. Can anyone help?



thanks,

Rich





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: "Deborah Harding" <harding6@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:55:35 -0000

--------



Rich Johnson wrote in message <69r7o6$ajc@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

>   I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it carried a

warning

>about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning against

>using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness.



Your body has a habit of becoming immune to the benefits of echinacea after

awhile.  That was probably what the warning meant.  I take it during the

winter for 2 weeks straight then stop for 2 weeks then back on for 2 weeks.

I don't catch all the colds I normally would.  As for the illness, I don't

know.



Debbie









==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: "Brigitte Meister" <bmeister@metronet.de>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 11:09:15 GMT

--------

Hi Rich,

in general herbal teas have pharmaceutical effects and should therefore not

be used for more than 4 weeks (but this an advice given by German

pharmacists and practionners of alternative medicine !!).

Echinacea should not be used if a person suffers from (e.g) AIDS, cancer,

auto-immune diseases (?) because the disease can get worse. This advice is

the same in Germany.



Hope this helps

Brigitte



Rich Johnson <richj@fc.hp.com> schrieb im Beitrag

<69r7o6$ajc@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

> 

> Hi,

> 

>    I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it carried a

warning

> about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning

against

> using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness. I looked through my

copy of

> the FAQ and didn't find much in the way of an explanation. Can anyone

help?

> 

> thanks,

> Rich

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: "Lois Chadwell Cruz" <lcruz@neumedia.net>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:26:31 GMT

--------





Brigitte Meister <bmeister@metronet.de> wrote in article

<01bd24ee$aa35a260$57aea8c1@default>...

> <snip>

> Echinacea should not be used if a person suffers from (e.g) AIDS, cancer,

> auto-immune diseases (?) because the disease can get worse. This advice

is

> the same in Germany.

> 

> Hope this helps

> Brigitte



I'm confused about this caution, since one of the most important effects of

echinacea is it's ability to strengthen the immune system. In the book,

"The Healing Power of Herbs", Michael Murray gives an excellent summary of

the latest clinical studies of echinacea's benefits. I don't own the book

myself, so I can't reference it here, but in a quick search I found a site

that will explain echinacea's medicinal action, and also the reason for not

taking it for extended periods. It seems the body adjusts to echinacea's

effects, and the herb loses its effectiveness-- but it only takes a short

time without the herb for it to become effective again... The only warning

is one given to those who suffer from kidney disease: they are advised to

limit usage to 10 days maximum. The site is:  

http://www.viable-herbal.com/1echinac.htm

Hope to hear more on this subject.. Lois



> Rich Johnson <richj@fc.hp.com> schrieb im Beitrag

> <69r7o6$ajc@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

> > 

> > Hi,

> > 

> >    I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it carried a

> warning

> > about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning

> against

> > using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness. <snip>





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:03:52 -0500

--------

Lois Chadwell Cruz wrote in message

<01bd2510$a42da080$e613c0d0@hpcustomer>...

>

>

>Brigitte Meister <bmeister@metronet.de> wrote in article

><01bd24ee$aa35a260$57aea8c1@default>...

>> <snip>

>> Echinacea should not be used if a person suffers from (e.g) AIDS, cancer,

>> auto-immune diseases (?) because the disease can get worse. This advice

>is

>> the same in Germany.

>>

>> Hope this helps

>> Brigitte

>

>I'm confused about this caution, since one of the most important effects of

>echinacea is it's ability to strengthen the immune system. In the book,

>"The Healing Power of Herbs", Michael Murray gives an excellent summary of

>the latest clinical studies of echinacea's benefits. I don't own the book

>myself, so I can't reference it here, but in a quick search I found a site

>that will explain echinacea's medicinal action, and also the reason for not

>taking it for extended periods. It seems the body adjusts to echinacea's

>effects, and the herb loses its effectiveness-- but it only takes a short

>time without the herb for it to become effective again... The only warning

>is one given to those who suffer from kidney disease: they are advised to

>limit usage to 10 days maximum. The site is:

>http://www.viable-herbal.com/1echinac.htm

>Hope to hear more on this subject.. Lois





I believe the confusion comes about in part because of the misconception

that the immune system should always be wired up to full activity 100% of

the time.  The human immune system is designed to *respond* to attacks on

the system.  Artificially stimulating it to peak activity when it is not

required is the equivalent to taking steroids just to make sure you have

enough - it throws the system out of balance and quite possibly exhausts the

very part of our system most crucial to our survival.  Unfortunately there

are now dozens if not hundreds of companies that have jumped on the

bandwagon and are vigorously competing for what should really be a

specialized niche market.  Echinacea and other immune stimulants (and I

emphasize the term "stimulants", as for instance caffein) should imho be

used only when there is a clear reason for doing so.



There are of course quite a number of diseases, especially "modern" ones,

that are actually *caused* by continued stress, which in turn stimulates the

immune system.  "Auto-immune disease" should certainly be a well-known term

to the regular readers of this and other health-oriented newsgroups.  These

disorders occur when the immune system begins attacking the tissues of the

body itself.  The continuous stresses of modern society have been implicated

in at least some of these problems, at least as contributing factors, but

the overall effect is the same: an over-stimulated immune system "running

wild", so to speak.  And there are other diseases whose origins are less

well understood, but which directly involve a malfunctioning immune system,

notably the lymphatic cancers like Hodgkins disease and the leukemias.



The American Indians who first taught white settlers the benefits of

Echinacea did not take it as a casual drink - it was respected as a powerful

medicine, and used accordingly.  Just because you can buy it over the

counter under a dozen brand names at any pharmacy or grocery store does not

mean it is safe for everyone to use in whatever dose they want to take it.

Herbs, especially the most powerful and effective ones, are drugs.  They

affect the metabolic functioning of your body.  Since your body operates in

a state of dynamic balance, any sufficiently powerful substance has the

potential to push that functioning out of balance, with harmful results.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: Tom Donnelly <tommyd@ptld.uswest.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:09:23 -0800

--------

Richard summed things up pretty well, but I'll add something for those who 

want to keep it simple.



Echinacea is best used for acute situations where a little boost in 

immunity will get you over the hump. Chronic conditions are best dealt with 

by addressing the source of the imbalance that is allowing the chronic 

condition to persist.



If you're taking echinacea for several weeks and not getting much better, 

chances are that you're taking the wrong approach. It may be worth the time 

and money to consult with a different point of view (herbalist, naturopath, 

M.D. or maybe just a good resource book).



peace

Thomas (papa tom)





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: Daniel Schroeder <danno@ilhawaii.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:21:16 -1000

--------

The "evidence" that the body develops an tolerance to echinacea with

extended use is fallacious.  It came from German study that was

mistranslated.  The leveling off of the effect was actually noted only

when echinacea was withdrawn (this was left out of the translation).  As

for tonic versus acute remedy, check Mowry's book "Herbal Tonic

Therapies" regarding use of the *whole* herb as a tonic and an isolate

for acute unidirectional effect.



Lois Chadwell Cruz wrote:



> Brigitte Meister <bmeister@metronet.de> wrote in article

> <01bd24ee$aa35a260$57aea8c1@default>...

> > <snip>

> > Echinacea should not be used if a person suffers from (e.g) AIDS,

> cancer,

> > auto-immune diseases (?) because the disease can get worse. This

> advice

> is

> > the same in Germany.

> >

> > Hope this helps

> > Brigitte

>

> I'm confused about this caution, since one of the most important

> effects of

> echinacea is it's ability to strengthen the immune system. In the

> book,

> "The Healing Power of Herbs", Michael Murray gives an excellent

> summary of

> the latest clinical studies of echinacea's benefits. I don't own the

> book

> myself, so I can't reference it here, but in a quick search I found a

> site

> that will explain echinacea's medicinal action, and also the reason

> for not

> taking it for extended periods. It seems the body adjusts to

> echinacea's

> effects, and the herb loses its effectiveness-- but it only takes a

> short

> time without the herb for it to become effective again... The only

> warning

> is one given to those who suffer from kidney disease: they are advised

> to

> limit usage to 10 days maximum. The site is:

> http://www.viable-herbal.com/1echinac.htm

> Hope to hear more on this subject.. Lois

>

> > Rich Johnson <richj@fc.hp.com> schrieb im Beitrag

> > <69r7o6$ajc@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > >    I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it

> carried a

> > warning

> > > about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning

>

> > against

> > > using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness. <snip>











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Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 16:09:21 GMT

--------

--

On  Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:55:35 -0000,  "Deborah Harding" <harding6@worldnet.att.net> wrote ...

 > 

 > Rich Johnson wrote in message <69r7o6$ajc@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

 > >   I was looking at a box of herbal tea and noticed that it carried a

 > warning

 > >about using echinacea tea for more that 8 weeks and also a warning against

 > >using it if you are suffering froma systemic illness.



Echinacea stimulate the immune system.  So if you take it for long periods

your body gets used to the boost and stop producing it's own chemicals

that accomplish the same feat.  If you took it for a long time, than had

to stop for some reason you would be highly suceptable to catching an illness.

It's advisable to use it for only a few week at a time, then give your body

a chance to catch up.



 > Your body has a habit of becoming immune to the benefits of echinacea after

 > awhile.  That was probably what the warning meant.  I take it during the

 > winter for 2 weeks straight then stop for 2 weeks then back on for 2 weeks.

 > I don't catch all the colds I normally would.  As for the illness, I don't

 > know.

 > 

 > Debbie



It is not recommended if you have any auto immune disease (ie lupus, etc)

because it can make it worse.



--

Pete Lundy RPh, MA

plundy3@hotmail.com



--





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea warning on herbal tea

From: "josborn" <josborn@airmail.net>

Date: 31 Jan 1998 00:17:50 GMT

--------

Hi,



I've just recently found this group and have learned a lot.  This concerns

me because I use echinacea tea.  Would you be so kind as to point out the

web site to me? Thanks



Julie



Rich Johnson <richj@fc.hp.com> wrote in article

<6a2vbl$jjd@fcnews.fc.hp.com>...

> ctive file. Deleting.

>  

> Thank you to all of you who responded and especially the person who

provided the

> pointer to that web site.

> 

> Rich

> 





==========

Subject: Oxygen Therapy

From: "Aidan Goodall" <A.Goodall@btinternet.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 22:17:04 -0000

--------

Try:



    http://www.btinternet.com/~buenavista/Health/index.htm



Includes use of Active Oxygen in Drinking Water, Skin, Hair and Beauty

Products and Oxygen Therapy



Also Pulsating Energy Resonance Therapy (PERTH)









==========

Subject: Diabetic dog?

From: "Barb" <***maggie@muskoka.com>

Date: 18 Jan 1998 01:43:30 GMT

--------

If anyone has had any experience with herbal aids for a diabetic dog I

would appreciate the info!   Thanks





-- 

Remove anti-spam of *** before  replying to my e-mail.





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Subject: Re: Metabolism

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:01:41 -0500

--------

Ma-Huang is know to increase the rate of metabolism.



Question: Where are you? Geographically speaking!



David





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:18:06 -0500

--------

Herbs, like vitimins, are almost never given or used singly.. but

usually in a combination.



There is an excellent herbal comination available in South Africa and

here in the US.... the results are fantastic!  



The regime comprises 2 products each being a unique herbal and trace

element combination.



The first product is taken between meals in the am and in the pm.  This

product contains, inter alia, Ma-Huang, which speeds up the body's

metabolism, Cromium, vanadium plus other herbs.



The second product is taken at night either with the evening meal or at

bed time..... this one contains, inter alia, Garcinia Cambogia which

prevents the body converting sugars to fat!!!! HOWZAT? 



If I'm not mistaken you are in Australia..... let me know if you'd like

to get your hands on these 2 highly efficacious products.. and I'll make

a plan.



I can also pt you to a web site where you can read people's testamonials

of successful weight loss





David.













==========

To: lisad@hpd.nova.edu

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: rosaki@mindspring.com

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:41:20 -0600

--------

In article <34BF5197.1EA7@chariot.net.au>,

  mx <marie@chariot.net.au> wrote:

>

> can anyone reccomend any herbs which will assist in weight loss?

> thanks



Hi Marie,

	I myself am trying to lose weight and I feel that I

should warn you about the scam concerning herbal products

for weight loss.  Just because you don't need a prescription

for herbs or other over-the-counter diet supplements does

not mean that they are safe.  These diet aids can cause

serious side effects (heart attack, stroke, dehydration, ...)

that manufacturers don't tell you.  There is alot

of false advertisement out there so be careful.

	There is no such thing as a miracle diet, pill, or herb.

Please take in consideration that herbs are not FDA (Food &

Drug Administration) approved because they are considered

foods and therefore does not have to undergo testing.

  There is also no quality-control standards.

So the amount of active ingredient can vary from bottle to

bottle.  I speak from experience.  I have tried chromium

picolinate, mud wraps, diet teas, laxatives, etc...

I fortunately did not take anything long enough for it to cause

any serious damage.  But I never lost any significant weight (2 - 3 lbs)

which I later regained.  I just lost my hard-earned money.

	Now I stick to exercise & good eating habits.  So far so good!!

I would recommend a multi-vitamin daily and any other vitamin

supplements or herbal product that you decide to take you should

always consult your doctor especially if you are taking

medications.  If you need any more information feel free to e-mail me.



Rosa King

pharmacy student



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:26:07 -0600

--------

Glen,



I use a product from GNC called Diet Fuel.  I use it immediately before I work out (running or weights).  It seems to give me a "kick" when I don't have one and it definitely has helped with dropping a few unwanted pounds, when nothing else seemed to work. 



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com

Glen L. Bogue wrote in message <6a2po8$pd1$1@news.xmission.com>...

>rosaki@mindspring.com wrote:

>

>>In article <34BF5197.1EA7@chariot.net.au>,

>>  mx <marie@chariot.net.au> wrote:

>>>

>>> can anyone reccomend any herbs which will assist in weight loss?

>>> thanks

>

>>Hi Marie,

>>not mean that they are safe.  These diet aids can cause

>>serious side effects (heart attack, stroke, dehydration, ...)

>>that manufacturers don't tell you.  There is alot

>>of false advertisement out there so be careful.

>> There is no such thing as a miracle diet, pill, or herb.

>>Please take in consideration that herbs are not FDA (Food &

>>Drug Administration) approved because they are considered

>>foods and therefore does not have to undergo testing.

>>  There is also no quality-control standards.

>>So the amount of active ingredient can vary from bottle to

>>bottle.  I speak from experience.  I have tried chromium

>>picolinate, mud wraps, diet teas, laxatives, etc...

>>I fortunately did not take anything long enough for it to cause

>>any serious damage.  But I never lost any significant weight (2 - 3 lbs)

>>which I later regained.  I just lost my hard-earned money.

>> Now I stick to exercise & good eating habits.  So far so good!!

>>I would recommend a multi-vitamin daily and any other vitamin

>>supplements or herbal product that you decide to take you should

>>always consult your doctor especially if you are taking

>>medications.  If you need any more information feel free to e-mail me.

>

>>Rosa King

>>pharmacy student

>

>I would like to offer a slightly different opinion.  I have been

>taking herbal products for a little while now.  I have lost over 60

>lbs. of fat.  I have done body fat impedences to verify this.  I

>attribute the fat loss to one thing and that is the herbal products I

>take.  I have done other things in the past to lose weight and none

>has done this well or been able to keep it off like the herbal

>products I take.  I personally love these products and would not want

>to be without them.  I have another 40 lbs I want to take off and I am

>doing it.

>

>The products I take have changed my life for the better.  When I see

>people my age that weigh a hundered pounds more that me, I know that

>if I hadn't started taking these products that I would look just like

>they do or worse. 

>

>My health is better, my energy is up.  I can almost buy clothes from

>regular stores now.  I love my herbs!

>

>Thank you,

>

>Glen Bogue

>glenb@xmission.nospam.com

>

>To reply remove "nospam" from the return e-mail address.

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------

>Want to know how to lose weight, and feel good at the same time?

>Want to know how to turn that lost fat into MONEY?

>E-mail glenb@xmission.com for more info.  It has worked for me

>and it can work for you.

>







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: tougan@aol.com (Tougan)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 11:52:27 GMT

--------

What is inter alia?



Thanks.

\





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:58:59 -0500

--------

Tougan,



In this context, inter alia, means,    ...... 

...   ,amongst others, .....



David





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss?

From: cga00111@wvnvm.wvnet.edu (Jeff Green)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:55:58 -0500

--------

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:54:55 +1030, mx <marie@chariot.net.au> wrote:



>can anyone reccomend any herbs which will assist in weight loss?

>thanks



Rosa makes a good point, be very careful, and do some research of your

own.



One thing that helps, that I did not see mentioned is an Amino Acid

named L-Carnitine.  It aids in the conversion of fat cells into

energy.  Here's the catch...ready?   You have to use it conjuction

with regular excercise.  Take L-Carnitine either Before, During, or

just After excercising and it will help your body burn fat more

efficiently and more quickly.



My reference for this is Dr. Colgan.   "Ultimate Sports Nutrition."



It is a very worthwhile book.



Regards,



-Jeff







==========

Subject: Re: high blood pressure. addendum

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:25:32 -0500

--------

Dianne,



REading further entries,down the list.. I see Matt H recommends:



Celery, Carrots, Brocolli .... these too are contained in the product

that I  would recommend to you for high blood pressure.



David.





==========

Subject: Re: high blood pressure. addendum

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 23:28:54 -0600

--------

I suffer from high blood pressure & Kava Kava helps me relax which in

turn lowers my anxiety which then lowers my hypertension. During the day

I mainly just eat fruit & vegetables, alot of times I'll have just a can

of uncooked stewed tomatoes ( Italian Style) for a late lunch. I

maintain a very low-salt diet, I use Spike to season with. I also drink

the Maple Syrup, Lemon & Cayenne drink before bed. When I was drinking

alot my high blood pressure would torture me, not to mention the rest of

me, so alcohol is a no-no for people with high blood pressure. 





==========

Subject: Re: Shakes,,no help

From: battistella@travel-net.com (Rob)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:33:57 GMT

--------

CHAMOMILE  tea

PASSION FLOWER  tea

and several other herbal teas work quite well.

Also  look into Mother Tinctures prepared from herbal extracts.



Homeopathic remedies can work very well too.

Look into Tissue Salts /  Potassium  Phosphate (Kali Phos)

this is a nerve nutrient. Also see other homeopathic remedies





RB







<mickaren@msn.com> wrote:



>I had hoped upon hope thatI might have some help.













==========

Subject: Re: Shakes,,no help

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 18 Jan 1998 07:35:25 GMT

--------

Rob (battistella@travel-net.com) wrote:

:CHAMOMILE  tea

:PASSION FLOWER  tea

:and several other herbal teas work quite well.

:Also  look into Mother Tinctures prepared from herbal extracts.

:

:Homeopathic remedies can work very well too.

:Look into Tissue Salts /  Potassium  Phosphate (Kali Phos)

:this is a nerve nutrient. Also see other homeopathic remedies

:

:

:RB

:

:

:

:<mickaren@msn.com> wrote:

:

:>I had hoped upon hope thatI might have some help.

:

:

:

:



I didn't see the original post, but the thread title probably say it all.  I'd

recommend trying scullcap as well as the other herbs mentioned above. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Polyganum Multiflorum

From: asmodeus@erols.com

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 02:40:11 -0500

--------

Hi all, new to the group here,



I had a question on the chinese herb Ho Shou Wu or Fo Ti or Polyganum

Multiflorum.



When making tea with it, do you boil the root shavings or make a tisane?



Thanks for any info



Asmo







==========

Subject: Re: Polyganum Multiflorum

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:10:22 -0500

--------

asmodeus@erols.com wrote in message <34C1B1DB.658379A6@erols.com>...

>Hi all, new to the group here,

>

>I had a question on the chinese herb Ho Shou Wu or Fo Ti or Polyganum

>Multiflorum.

>

>When making tea with it, do you boil the root shavings or make a tisane?

>

>Thanks for any info

>

>Asmo

>



Traditionally the root shavings are boiled, in order to extract all the

soluble compounds.  This is best done in a covered container at a simmer,

over a period of an hour or more.  You want to extract without too much

heat, which might damage or degrade the active compounds.



Another approach is to steep the roots in a fortified wine or liquer (20%

alcohol or more, or it will turn to vinegar) for several months.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Algae Studies to be released

From: Steve <mjfalgae@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:39:31 +0000

--------

12/30/97 Conference Call- Daryl Kollman / Loren Spector / DET Leaders



DK:  Excited to announce that the first ever research paper on AFA has

been published in a peer review journal. It was published the 3rd week

of December 1997 (the name of the journal will be forthcoming on Voice

Mail and FAX on Demand very soon from Cell Tech.

        It is a one year study of the effects of AFA on "Killer Cells"

(these are an important part of the body's immune system), in the blood

stream.

The research was done by McGill University in Canada and they studied

the killer cells and their relationship to cancer cells etc. in the

body. They used the AFA from Cell Tech but this was not financed by Cell

Tech it was a completely independent study.

        The findings were that 10 minutes after ingesting 1 and 1/2

grams of AFA 40% of the body's killer cells were able to enter the

tissue and go to work destroying the mutant cells (such as cancer

cells). These Killer cells need to develop protein patches to be able to

enter the tissue and it seems that eating AFA speeds up their ability to

develop these protein patches. The scientists were very excited and

amazed that this happened as fast as it did.

They had never worked with any substance to date that worked this well

and this fast.



DK:  Some ask how big a problem are the mutant cells in the body I His

example was:

If the human body has 54 Trillion cells and every 18 months they divide

and that number is created again, That would equal 3 trillion new cells

each month and divide that by 30 you would be producing 100 billion new

cells each day. If you assumed that 99.99% of those cells were perfect

that would still leave 1 million mutant cells that could start cancer or

other diseases. Eve need to have a lot of killer cells and they need to

be able to get into the blood stream fast to destroy the mutant cells.



These also work against viruses, Viruses are not like bacteria (bacteria

being like little animals)Viruses are alien molecules, They are round

and everywhere in the environment, They will attach themselves to a

healthy cell and drill a hole in it, Then they insert a tube and feed

the cell information to cause it to create more viruses. When the cell

gets too full it expicdes and the viruses inside go capture other

healthy cells. The Killer cells in the body will go eat these cells that

viruses attach to before they can explode.



DK:  Was asked to speak in 1990 at a Cancer Society Conference ( he was

the only person speaking who was not a Doctor). There he heard Dr. Joan

Borisshenko (may not be spelled correctly watch for verification from

Cell Tech in the near future) a Harvard Graduate speak about her study

of the Killer Cells in cancer patients. She had been responsible for two

wards and was regularly counting the killer cells in the blood. She

began to note that these patients were very lonely and felt isolated

from everyone. They frequently complained that they were not listened

to. She decided to do an experiment and requested that all persons

visiting one of the wards pay more attention to the patients and really

show a lot of concern for them (in other words show them a lot of love

and compassion) Her findings were that there was an immediate 30016

increase in the number of killer cells in the blood streams of the

patient in that ward. Conclusion: "love" can help the immune system

fight disease.



It is felt that the number of killer cells in the body can mean the

difference between getting cancer or the flu etc.



DK: Is requesting that the DET's Gke a proactive role in connecting

everyone to the Algae and help people understand that this is a unique

product.



DET's must become lighthouses - sources of inspiration and information

they need to spread out across the nations and spread the word about

this amazing food.





==========

Subject: Re: Algae Studies to be released

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:48:08 GMT

--------

In article <34C1BFC3.47C3@flash.net>, Steve  <mjfalgae@flash.net> wrote:

>12/30/97 Conference Call- Daryl Kollman / Loren Spector / DET Leaders

>

>DK:  Excited to announce that the first ever research paper on AFA has

>been published in a peer review journal. It was published the 3rd week

>of December 1997 (the name of the journal will be forthcoming on Voice

>Mail and FAX on Demand very soon from Cell Tech.



If it was published back in December, why don't you release

the name of the journal, author's name, etc. now?  What is

causing Cell Tech to hold back that information?  Is it possible

that there was no such study?  Why else would that information be

withheld?



>The research was done by McGill University in Canada and they studied

>the killer cells and their relationship to cancer cells etc. in the

>body. They used the AFA from Cell Tech but this was not financed by Cell

>Tech it was a completely independent study.



So does that mean you are recommending the algae for people

with cancer?  Despite the fact that even Cell Tech admits

this algae contains microcystins, which are some of the most

potent cancer tumor promoters known to science?  Microcystins

are present because of a contaminating species of algae,

_Microcystis_aeruginosa_, which is always present in Klamath

Lake.  Here's some more information about microcystins.



THE MICROCYSTINS MEMORANDUM

Copyright 1997 Mark Thorson



Super Blue Green (registered trademark, Cell Tech brand)

algae is the species known as _Aphanizomenon_flos-aquae_.



The remainder of this file is divided into five parts:



I.    What are microcystins?

II.   Where do microcystins come from?

III.  What do microcystins do?

IV.   Is any level of microcystins safe?

V.    How can algae users protect against microcystins?



PART I.  What are microcystins?



Quoting from _Toxicon_, volume 32, number 12, "Use of

a Colorimetric Protein Phosphatase Inhibition Assay and

Enzyme Linked Immunosorbent Assay for the Study of

Microcystins and Nodularins.", by An and Carmichael,

1994, pages 1495 and 1496:



"Microcystins are monocyclic heptapeptide liver toxins

produced by species of cyanobacteria within the genera

_Microcystis_, _Anabaena_, _Oscillatoria_, and _Nostoc_

(Carmichael, 1992).  The toxins contain two variable

L-amino acids plus three D-amino acids plus the unusual

amino acids, N-methyldehydroalanine and 3-amino-9-methoxy-

10-phenyl-2,6,8-trimethyl-deca-4(E)6(E)-dienoic acid

(Adda) (Reinhart _et_al_, 1988)."



[A peptide is a small protein.  A heptapeptide is a

protein composed of seven amino acids.  Monocyclic means

it's a one-ring loop.  A microcystin is a seven-member

ring of amino acids, containing three D-amino acids and

two weird amino acids, neither kind normally being found

in human food.  Amino acids can have two mirror-image

forms, called D and L.  All amino acids used to build

proteins in the human body are L-amino acids, except

glycine which is reflection-symmetric (i.e. neither

D nor L).  D-amino acids are nutritionally inert, and

they may contribute towards the ability of microcystins

to survive the digestive process intact and get absorbed.]



Quoting from page 1497:



"Recently, both microcystin and nodularin have been found

to be potent inhibitors of protein phosphatase types 1 and

2A (Yoshizawa _et_al_, 1990) as well as tumor promoters

in laboratory animals (Nishiwaka-Matsushima _et_al_,

1992b;  Falconer, 1991).  They are also suspected to be

involved with promotion of primary liver cancer in humans

exposed to long-term low doses of these cyclic peptide

toxins through drinking water (Carmichael, 1994;

Yu, 1989)."



PART II.  Where do microcystins come from?



Quoting from "A Cell Tech Statement Regarding

_Microcystis_ in Klamath and Agency Lakes", Cell Tech

press release, September 1996:



"Cell Tech also closely monitors algal blooms in Klamath

and Agency Lakes by regularly performing species

identification and quantification."



"Our test results indicate that there is currently a high

level of _Microcystis_aeruginosa_ in certain parts of the

lake, particularly Agency Lake."



[Cell Tech claims their standard is no more than 1%

non-_Aphanizomenon_ species in SBGA.]



Quoting from "A Message from Christian Drapeau", a file

posted by Jim Fentress (jim@frii.com) on April 8, 1996,:

 

"Microcystins are regularly found, but only in non-

significant amounts (specifically, 0.1-0.2 mcg/g of

SBGA)."



Quoting from a posting made on May 25, 1997,

<19970525172900.NAA00137@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

from Bluuegreen <bluuegreen@aol.com>:



From Wright State University, Dept. of Bio. Sciences,

10/28/96.

(513-873-2655 FAX: 513-873-3320)

ELISA assay for ... microcystins:

Measurable levels of microsystin or nodularin were found

in samples QA-9638 - QA-9643 (ug/g):

638    1.1

639    0.4

640     1.3

641     1.0

642     1.7

643     0.7



[Note that these numbers are about ten times higher

than those admitted in the previous quote.]



Quoting from "Response to Vegetarian Times", a letter from

Marta Kollman, October 31, 1996, available on Cell Tech's

fax-on-demand service (800/565-5092) as document #151:

 

"We know from rigorous testing over the years that

_Microcystis_ has always existed in Klamath Lake at very

low levels."



[But how low is low enough?  Read on!]

 

PART III.  What do microcystins do?



Quoting from _Journal_of_Cancer_Research_and_Clinical_

_Oncology_, volume 118, "Liver Tumor Promotion by the

Cyanobacterial Peptide Toxin Microcystin-LR", by

Nishiwaki-Matsushima, Ohta, Nishiwaki, Suganuma, Kohyama,

Ishikawa, Carmichael, and Fujiki, 1992, page 421:



"In two experiments, we found that microcystin-LR has

a potent tumor-promoting activity in rat liver initiated

with diethylnitrosamine (DEN) below the concentrations

that do not release aminotransferase (transaminase)

from the liver into the blood serum.  Microcystin acts

on the liver through the okadaic acid pathway and is one

of the strongest liver tumor promoters found to date."



[DEN is a carcinogen used to seed cancer foci in the

experimental animals.  Once seeded, the experiment

measured the promotion of these cancer foci by various

suspected tumor promoters.  Release of aminotransferase

into the blood would be a sign of an acutely hepatotoxic

reaction, which microcystins may cause.  This set of

experiments found potent liver tumor promotion at levels

below those which are acutely or sub-acutely toxic

to the liver, as indicated by the lack of release of

aminotransferase.]



Quoting from page 423:



"The mechanism of action of microcystin in liver cells

is similar to that of okadaic acid, and therefore most

likely expressed through the okadaic pathway.  We have

found that the okadaic pathway, involving inhibition of

protein phosphatase 1 and 2A activities, is a general

mechanism of tumor promotion in various organs."



[Inhibition of PP1 and PP2A ain't good!]



PART IV.  Is any level of microcystins safe?



Quoting from _Biochemical_Journal_, volume 306,

"Inhibition of Specific Binding of Okadaic Acid to

Protein Phosphatase 2A by Microcystin-LR, Calyculin-A and

Tautomycin:  Method of Analysis of Interactions of

Tight-Binding Ligands with Target Protein", by Takai,

Sakai, Nagai, Mieskes, Isobe, Isono, and Yasumoto, 1995,

page 662:



"Of the protein phosphatase inhibitors examined,

microcystin-LR exhibited the highest affinity to PP2A."



"Of the inhibitors examined, it was also microcystin-LR

that exhibited the highest affinity for PP1."



[A tight-binding ligand is a molecule that holds on

to a binding site of an enzyme so strongly it seldom

lets go.  In this paper, the rate constants for binding

of toxins to PP2A were about 10 to 100 billion times

greater than their dissociation constants.]



[That's a big difference in favor of binding!  For all

practical purposes, binding is irreversible.  Even at low

levels of exposure, the PP1 and PP2A enzymes suck up the

toxin and keep it.  Can any long-term exposure be safe,

if liver enzymes are accumulating the toxin?]



Quoting from _Biochemical_and_Biophysical_Research_

_Communications_, volume 216, number 1, "_In_Vivo_ and

_in_Vitro_ Binding of Microcystin to Protein Phosphatases

1 and 2A", by Runnegar, Berndt, Kong, Lee, and Zhang,

1995, page 162:



"Microcystins are normally cell impermeant, but they

accumulate in the liver by specific carrier-mediated

transport in hepatocytes which results in PP inhibition

and toxicity."



[Hepatocytes are liver cells.  Microcystins accumulate

in liver cells.]



Quoting from pages 167 and 168:



"We have shown that microcystin, a potent and specific

inhibitor of PP1 and PP2A activity, is covalently bound

to both PP1 and PP2A catalytic subunits in hepatocytes

incubated with the toxin."



[This paper explains why the binding of microcystins to

liver enzymes is virtually irreversible.  Most molecules

bind to enzymes because of close fit.  The enzyme will

have a pocket shaped like the molecule, and the molecule

will fit into that pocket like a key fitting into a lock.

Microcystins are unusual in that they form covalent bonds

to their binding sites on liver enzymes.  This is like a

key which not only fits the lock, but also proceeds to

weld itself to the lock.]



PART V.  How can algae users protect against microcystins?



Cell Tech claims to use sophisticated biochemical tests

that can monitor the level of microcystins in the algae

harvested from Klamath Lake.  Cell Tech says every batch

is tested to ensure it is "below guideline levels" of

microcystins.  But to my knowledge, Cell Tech has never

stated publicly what these levels are.  They're not zero,

obviously, or Cell Tech would say they're zero.  And how

did Cell Tech establish these guideline levels?  What

literature can Cell Tech cite that says these levels

are safe?



SBGA users who are concerned about the possibility of

exposure to microcystins should ask their upline these

questions.









==========

Subject: hangover relief

From: Ray Morel <r.morel@sympatico.ca>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 01:29:58 -0800

--------

Not a herb, but here it goes....IDE CREAM!







==========

Subject: Re: hangover relief

From: Joe Bader <cmhwk@primary.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:15:14 -0600

--------

tomato juice - lots and lots of tomato juice



Ray Morel wrote:

> 

> Not a herb, but here it goes....IDE CREAM!





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Subject: Re: hangover relief

From: "Reigan Scott-Palframan" <scotty@pcug.org.au>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:49:47 +1100

--------

Water is best for a hangover - since it's a sign of dehydration.





Ray Morel wrote in message <34C1CB96.49D4@sympatico.ca>...

>Not a herb, but here it goes....IDE CREAM!

>









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Subject: Herbs, Scented Geraniums, Curious Plants

From: "L. Nee" <turnleaf@cybertours.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:20:44 -0400

--------

Turnleaf Herb Farm is very happy to say that we made it through the ICE

STORM OF 98 in Maine. We are still offering to send our 1998 FREE

catalog of our herb and scented geranium collection to anyone for the

asking. If you would like to preview our collection, please visit us at:

http://www.angelfire.com/me/turnleaf



We will be ready to ship plants in the spring. If you have any

questions, please do not hesitate to e-mail us. Good luck with your herb

gardens in '98!





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Subject: Cramp Bark?

From: The Pan of OC <ohpan@pacbell.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:30:18 -0800

--------

My wife and I are a few weeks pregnant. She started spotting and the OB

says she is under threat of miscarriage. We are doing everything we can

to keep the baby. I saw a reference for cramp bark in a book on natural

pregnancy but have not found it mentioned in any other sources nor have

I been able to find cramp bark for sale anywhere.



Does anyone know anything about cramp bark or any other herbs that can

help avert miscarriage?



Does anyone know where to get cramp bark in Southern Cailifornia or by

mail?



Any comments will be appriciated.



Thanks



Pan





==========

Subject: Re: Cramp Bark?

From: Robin <robin@pfwight.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:26:52 +0000

--------

In article <34C2200A.11D5@pacbell.net>, The Pan of OC

<ohpan@pacbell.net> writes

>My wife and I are a few weeks pregnant. She started spotting and the OB

>says she is under threat of miscarriage. We are doing everything we can

>to keep the baby. I saw a reference for cramp bark in a book on natural

>pregnancy but have not found it mentioned in any other sources nor have

>I been able to find cramp bark for sale anywhere.

>

>Does anyone know anything about cramp bark or any other herbs that can

>help avert miscarriage?

>

>Does anyone know where to get cramp bark in Southern Cailifornia or by

>mail?

>

>Any comments will be appriciated.

>

>Thanks

>

>Pan



Don't know where you can get it but we were given some once. I was told

it was good for period pains. I suspect it may relax the muscles in the

area, so please check it out before you give it to your wife. My

thoughts may well be wrong, but please check up on it before you give it

to her as if I am right it could make things worse.



Good luck and blessings!

-- 



"...But the worst of all hatred

 Is that which is planned

 Against what we have

 In this goddess of land" - Levellers (Maid of the River)



Robin





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Subject: Re: Cramp Bark?

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:33:21 -0900

--------

Yes, it is used as a protection for threatened miscarriage. It may be used with Valerian and Black Haw for this problem.



My midwife also recommends Wild Yam Root/False Unicorn Root for threatened miscarriage. This will help if it is due to hormonal reasons.

I would think you could get Cramp Bark in a health food store.



Spotting could mean many different things during pregnancy. It could be an implantation bleed, or placenta previa. It could also be a threatening miscarriage, or hormones. Sometimes women bleed with pregnancies, and go on to deliver healthy babies. Sometimes they don't.

I began bleeding with a pregnancy in June of last year, and lost the baby. I am now pregnant, and bled for 4 days in early pregnancy. I'm now 5 months along. The bleeding was caused by a problem between the placenta and the membranes. The baby is fine and doing well. You never know until it happens.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. Good luck to you and your wife.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: hormonal imbalance

From: boots0918@aol.com (Boots0918)

Date: 18 Jan 1998 16:13:33 GMT

--------

does anyone know of any herbs that are good for female hormonal imbalance? My

menstral cycle has been weekly lately! Think I need more progesterone?





==========

Subject: Re: hormonal imbalance

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:09:14 GMT

--------





Boots0918 wrote:



> does anyone know of any herbs that are good for female hormonal imbalance? My

> menstral cycle has been weekly lately! Think I need more progesterone?



  I don't want to just dole out advice here - I'm not a doctor.  But I will tell

you my symptoms and why they indicated I was progesterone deficient -

short cycles (18-21 days)

PMS from hell

Never used birth control, did not  get pregnant



From what I gather these symptoms indicated luteal phase deficiency - lack of

progesterone.  I was prescribed a natural progesterone cream that is used

transdermally days 12-25.  Voila!!!  No more PMS - my life is so improved not

having those hateful mood swings.



I know that naturopaths use a saliva test to study women's hormones to see if

they are whacko - but my doc said my symptoms were so clearly lack of

progesterone that that the tests were not necessary.... I had just had a PAP and

everything had come back normal so I was sure that wasn't anything else going on.







==========

Subject: Ban on herbs?

From: Robin <robin@pfwight.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:26:11 +0000

--------

I've just seen a copy of Talking Stick, Autumn 1997.



In it it mentions that the CAC are (were?) drawing up standards that

could lead to a ban on some herbal treatments etc. Does anyone out there

know anything about this?



It also says 9 out of 10 of the CAC deligates represent large

pharmaceutical companies...



Sorry, I've been told this has been covered before, but I'm new to this

newsgroup and really would like to know what is going on with this CAC

stuff.

-- 



"...But the worst of all hatred

 Is that which is planned

 Against what we have

 In this goddess of land" - Levellers (Maid of the River)



Robin





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Subject: bloodroot paste - please advise

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:45:35 GMT

--------



I have the extract of bloodroot, now I need to make a topical paste

out of it.  Please advise me on how to do this. 



Thanks,

B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: bloodroot paste - please advise

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:08:05 GMT

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>I have the extract of bloodroot, now I need to make a topical paste

>out of it.  Please advise me on how to do this. 



Depends on what you will be using it.  For skin cancer, the following

excerpt from an article on my web page is instructive:



>>>>>>

Cansema.   A topical made for some types of skin cancer, and 

probably effective against any cancer that has an exposure onto 

which it can be applied.  Quite expensive for a small jar at 

$50 per 0.8oz, but from what I understand about the warranty, 

it is guaranteed to work (cure the cancer).  A similar formula 

can be made oneself with zinc chloride, bloodroot, and galangal 

root mixed in castor oil.

<<<<<<



You might mix it without the castor oil since you are using an

extract.  Be warned that this a corrosive mixture and will 

burn away healthy skin, too.



There are a number of other things with which you could mix

bloodroot extract.  For warts, I might try calendula powder,

although tea tree oil probably works better and with less fuss.

 If you want plain bloodroot in a nonactive

oily cream, you can blend it with olive oil and sodium

alginate, or merely mix it into something like Unpetroleum

Jelly (at health food stores).  



turf







==========

Subject: Re: bloodroot paste - please advise

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:43:44 -0500

--------

Brian McInturff wrote in message <6ab1u9$d4n@camel19.mindspring.com>...

>miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>

>>I have the extract of bloodroot, now I need to make a topical paste

>>out of it.  Please advise me on how to do this.

>

>Depends on what you will be using it.  For skin cancer, the following

>excerpt from an article on my web page is instructive:

>



...

>it is guaranteed to work (cure the cancer).  A similar formula

>can be made oneself with zinc chloride, bloodroot, and galangal

>root mixed in castor oil.

>

>You might mix it without the castor oil since you are using an

>extract.  Be warned that this a corrosive mixture and will

>burn away healthy skin, too.





I am curious what about this formula would burn away healthy skin?  Zinc

chloride is commonly found in many OTC protective ointments; galangal is

widely used as a seasoning in SE Asian cuisine; castor oil is recommended as

a pack in some types of inflammations.  None of these is the least bit

corrosive.  The juice of bloodroot (Sanguinaria canadensis) was used as a

cosmetic skin dye by women of some Eastern American Indian tribes; that

could hardly have been so if it caused burning of the skin.  I have used the

fresh squeezed juice of bloodroot myself as an experimental application to

the skin; I never noticed or felt any irritation resulting from its use.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: bloodroot paste - please advise

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:43:45 GMT

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>I am curious what about this formula would burn away healthy skin?  



The zinc chloride mixed with bloodroot, I believe.  Don't know

if it is chemical reaction to the ingredients, but it will indeed burn

a good hole in your skin.  This is assuming you paste it on and

cover it.  



I have even heard of some using this mixture topically for

internal tumors, burning  a hole in the skin, but

supposedly "drawing the cancer out."  Does not work

in this manner from what I have heard.  



turf







==========

Subject: Parkinsons Disease support group?

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:03:57 -0600

--------

Is there a group for this? Also, has there been any success with

alternative treatments? I was thinking that certain strains of

Marijuana might help because it makes you so tranquil. I personally do

not have the condition but know someone that does. I gave the person

some Kava Kava to try because it has helped my nerves so much but I

heard elsewhere in this group that it was a no no.  Mark









==========

Subject: Re: Parkinsons Disease support group?

From: Curtis J Hepworth <blizzard@mail.xmission.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:32:26 -0700

--------

Mark Charles wrote:

> 

> Is there a group for this? Also, has there been any success with

> alternative treatments? I was thinking that certain strains of

> Marijuana might help because it makes you so tranquil. I personally do

> not have the condition but know someone that does. I gave the person

> some Kava Kava to try because it has helped my nerves so much but I

> heard elsewhere in this group that it was a no no.  Mark



You may want to find out about Dr Birkmeyer (can't remember how to spell

his name), he's done some extensive studies on parkinsons patients using

NADH.





==========

Subject: Bi-Polar Disorder?????????????

From: recon35@aol.com (Recon35)

Date: 18 Jan 1998 22:41:55 GMT

--------

Other than St. John's Wort, what would be a good choice for this condition?

Anyone. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

"Proceed boldy and with stealth!"

RECON KEN





==========

Subject: Re: Bi-Polar Disorder?????????????

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:57:15 -0600

--------

Iv'e got Bi-Polar Disorder & one of the things I've been trying Kava

Kava.because St. Johns Wort didn't work for me but I also have radically

changed my diet also. I eat very little beef & more fish, very little

salt, excersize alot more, I just eat fruit & vegetables during the day

& then have a light meal of chicken or fish with potatoes or anything

low-fat. It's almost like a diebetic diet. The purer the food the

better, no processed stuff. I could go on but must leave





==========

Subject: Re: Bi-Polar Disorder?????????????

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:03:45 -0600

--------

Watch your diet for caffiene and sugar intake (complex carbos, too) - and 

RUN, RUN, RUN. Exercise - vigorous exercise will help raise the seratonin 

when depressed, and work off the excess energy when manic.



my 2p 

Cissy



On 18 Jan 1998, Recon35 wrote:



> Other than St. John's Wort, what would be a good choice for this condition?

> Anyone. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

> "Proceed boldy and with stealth!"

> RECON KEN

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Bi-Polar Disorder?????????????

From: "Lynn Garcia" <lgarcia@dnai.com>

Date: 21 Jan 1998 06:17:50 GMT

--------

A combination of dicentra (bleeding heart), St. John's Wort, tincture of

lemon balm,  skull cap, and Lady's Slipper (Cyprepeclium) might help.  The

dosage would be tricky but not impossible.  Good luck.



Recon35 <recon35@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980118224101.RAA24810@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> Other than St. John's Wort, what would be a good choice for this

condition?

> Anyone. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

> "Proceed boldy and with stealth!"

> RECON KEN

> 





==========

To: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Subject: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: Marguerite <"Really Big"@Tiger Woods.fan>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:46:46 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



I have yet to find a natural deoderant that works for me.  I have tried

the stones and sticks.  I have to continually reapply them. Even after

reapplication, they still are ineffective.  



I would like to use the natural deoderants, but need help finding an

effective.  What can you suggest?



Please reply in alt.folklore.herbs newsgroup.



Marguerite

*****************************************************************************





Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> I've been vegetarian for 16+ years.  My smell changed while I was

> pregnant - basically went away.  And changed back after delivery....

> 

> As I noted before, the potassium salt 'deodorant' stones work for me.

> 

> Do you go camping, exercise vigorously for long periods or otherwise

> have situations where the interval between baths is prolonged?  I'd

> propose an experiment in attentive awareness of your own normal smell

> and the conditions under which it becomes overly strong/objectionable.

> What you smell of yourself in the shower should be your normal baseline

> and it may be that your sensibilities simply need recalibrating.  If

> your normal baseline is objectionable, and another tolerant person

> ratifies your perception, I would give serious contemplation to using

> smell as a diagnostic for a couple of interesting metabolic disorders.

> 

> -Kyra [far into my most pedantic/pontificating mode...  ;)  ]

> 

> claire.little@mailexcite.com wrote:

> >

> >   vmp@bigfoot.com wrote:

> 

> > > BTW, I had been told for several years that odor is a by-product of

> > > the food we eat -- if we eat "toxic" food, we get body odor.  I

> > > never believed it.  Then six months ago, I went vegetarian (for

> > > health reasons) and stopped eating meat and processed food (at least

> > > most processed foods).  My B.O. has totally disappeared.  Before I

> > > went veg, the crystal deodorant stones never worked for me.  I stunk

> > > as bad as when I used nothing.  Now, I only need the stone when I

> > > eat processed food, and it *does* work.

> >

> > I have a (sort of) related question. I'm currently on homeopathic

> > remedies for a terrible cough I had since October. The cough is gone

> > now, and I've stopped actually _taking_ any tablets, but I know the

> > effects hang around for ages.

> >

> > Anyway, my homeopath told me that in order for the stuff to work well,

> > I had to give up some things, including mint and deodorant. And

> > suddenly (in the last week) I have started to stink ! I don't think

> > its conventional body odour, caused by bacteria, as I sometimes even

> > smell it in the shower when I am getting washed.  Does anyone have any

> > ideas for a solution ? Where can you buy these natural deodorants in

> > the UK (London) ? And is there any basis to my theory that giving up

> > mint, when I used to chew a _lot_ of sugar-free mint gum could have

> > caused it, as previously the mint masked the smell ?



--





==========

To: Marguerite <"Really Big"@Tiger Woods.fan>

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:31:35 -0800

--------

Marguerite wrote:

> 

> x-no-archive: yes

> 

> I have yet to find a natural deoderant that works for me.  I have tried

> the stones and sticks.  I have to continually reapply them. Even after

> reapplication, they still are ineffective.

> 

> I would like to use the natural deoderants, but need help finding an

> effective.  What can you suggest?

> 

> Please reply in alt.folklore.herbs newsgroup.

> 

> Marguerite

> * 





I found that with my second pregnancy my body did not like it when ever

I wore any clothes made from any synthic fibers.  After only a couple of

hours I would smell so bad I could not stand myself.  Even taking

showers long baths could not get rid of the smell.  I tryed the stones

which only gave releif for a few hours.  Lavilin only worked for one

day.  Now I only have clothing of natural fibers and use a mixture of

Baking Soda and Lavender Essential Oil.  It works great!  



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 02:40:58 GMT

--------

Have you ever tried a mixture of baking soda and talc?





==========

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:35:32 -0600

--------

AWVacaBrew wrote:

> 

> Have you ever tried a mixture of baking soda and talc?



ARRRRGH!  Talc!  Nasty stuff, don't breathe it, can't get rid of it. 

[Shouldn't use it on babies or on female mucosa, neither.]



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:21:04 GMT

--------

Marguerite <"Really Big"@Tiger Woods.fan> wrote:



>I have yet to find a natural deoderant that works for me.  I have tried

>the stones and sticks.  I have to continually reapply them. Even after

>reapplication, they still are ineffective.  



Best available in health food stores is probably Weleda Sage or 

Citrus deodorants.  Can look at the formulas on these bottles

and refill for cheap, using vodka (instead of SD alcohol and 

water) with either lemon juice, or sage oil, clove 

oil, etc.  Another effective formula is the AlVera line.  This and

Weleda are the only ones I have found in HFSs that work well for me

and are free of petroleum derivatives like propylene glycol (and

aluminum).



Vodka rubbed under arms followed by zinc oxide powder works, too,

as does the plain lemon juice mixed with vodka.  Zinc oxide powder is

available at some pharamacies, or they can order it - a pound of

powder (year's supply) is around $10. 



Alvera is the most gentle of these, if the skin under the arms is

sensitive.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: turf@mindspring.com (Brian McInturff)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:30:05 GMT

--------



infomaui@mauigateway.com wrote:



>Try 60% distilled water and 40% tea tree oil



Whoa!  No doubt this is effective but if more than a tiny amount

is used (albeit, that is all that is needed or probably tolerated

without irritation) this would be quite expensive, plus hard to

keep mixed.  Also, most people do not cotton to smelling like 

terpentine every day for the sake of a deodorant.  



Don't get me wrong - I love tea tree oil and recommend it probably

more than any other remedy.  Plus, using it under the arms

might be a decent  way to absorb it systemically to treat 

fungal, bacterial, viral, or parasitic infections.  If you don't

have a malady of this nature, though, I don't think it's worth it.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: ezekielk@mailcity.com (Ezekiel Krahlin)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:28:39 GMT

--------

On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:46:46 -0600, Marguerite <"Really Big"@Tiger

Woods.fan> said:



>I have yet to find a natural deoderant that works for me.  I have tried

>the stones and sticks.  I have to continually reapply them. Even after

>reapplication, they still are ineffective.  



Baking soda.



---

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http://www.pagoo.com/cgi-bin/me.dll?11564153





==========

Subject: Re: Need Effective natural deoderant

From: allyrica@aol.com (Allyrica)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 05:07:02 GMT

--------

I use a natural deodorant with tea tree oil made by a company called JASON.  I

have had very good luck with it!



Diane





==========

Subject: Candles

From: jo743@aol.com (Jo743)

Date: 18 Jan 1998 23:04:04 GMT

--------

Could someone tell me what ear candles are?







==========

Subject: Re: Candles

From: Robin <robin@pfwight.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:40:09 +0000

--------

In article <19980118230401.SAA18715@ladder01.news.aol.com>, Jo743

<jo743@aol.com> writes

>Could someone tell me what ear candles are?

>



I've seen Hopi ear candles. These are tubes of paper soaked in wax. You

place your head sideways and insert one end into the ear, then light the

other. As the candle burns all the muck from your ear is melted and

drawn up into the tube.



If you use one make sure you have someone else there to make sure you

don't set fire to yourself!



-- 



"...But the worst of all hatred

 Is that which is planned

 Against what we have

 In this goddess of land" - Levellers (Maid of the River)



Robin





==========

Subject: Re: Candles

From: jimvan@wilcoxent.com (Jim VanMarter)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 03:18:44 GMT

--------

On 18 Jan 1998 23:04:04 GMT, jo743@aol.com (Jo743) wrote:



>Could someone tell me what ear candles are?

>

They are used for removing earwax impactions, and thereby for treating

certain ear infections



Jim VanMarter

Holistic Health and Wellness

http://www.wilcoxent.com/nurturinghands





==========

Subject: eucalyptus

From: beach1678@aol.com (Beach1678)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 02:33:24 GMT

--------

Does anyone grow eucalyptus trees in house.  i live in florida. have four of

them, they are not doing well and i don't know what i am doing wrong,  are they

supposed to be somehwhat brittle on their leaves?

thanks

vicki







==========

Subject: Re: eucalyptus

From: "Reigan Scott-Palframan" <scotty@pcug.org.au>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:50:00 +1100

--------



Beach1678 wrote in message

<19980119023300.VAA00256@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>Does anyone grow eucalyptus trees in house.

Do you mean inside your house?  Why?

i live in florida. have four of

>them, they are not doing well and i don't know what i am doing wrong,  are

they

>supposed to be somehwhat brittle on their leaves?

No, the young leaves should be soft and flexible.  What kind (species) of

eucalypts are you growing?  They love blood and bone nad - usually a lot of

water in summer.  But it's winter there, isn't it.

I can give you more specific info if I know what species your plants are

(and how long you've had them in pots - and - inside)



Reigan.

>thanks

>vicki

>









==========

Subject: Re: eucalyptus

From: kath801@aol.com (Kath801)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 15:16:28 GMT

--------

>Reigan wrote: (about eucalyptus trees)

  They love blood and bone nad - usually a lot

>of<BR>

>water in summer.  



   

    What is blood and bone nad? 



    It's good for eucalyptus trees?



Kathy

(mother of 3 eucalyptus tree young'uns, 2 with long thin leaves, one with round

leaves)





==========

Subject: Re: eucalyptus

From: "Reigan Scott-Palframan" <scotty@pcug.org.au>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:37:00 +1100

--------

Sorry Kath,

Blood and bone nad is a typo...the "nad" was supposed to be "and".  I think

that in the US you may call blood and bone "bone meal" - it's a ground up

animal product.  Eucalypts are used to growing in nitrogen deficient soil

(over here, anyway).

My trees like "seasol" ... it's liquid kelp.  Dilute per tree-size

recommendantions and apply at the outside edge of the canopy.



There are more than 600 species of eucalypt, so that doesn't give me a lot

to go on.  Have they ever produced flowers/seed pods (gum nuts)? It's a bit

easier to combine leaf shape and fruit description when trying to identify

the species.



As eucalypts in their natural habitat grow to heights of 8m (26 feet) to 30m

(168 feet) and this is most of the "everyday" species, the pot may be the

problem.  Your trees are probably root bound. Can you plant them outside?

(Not near water pipes - they'll seek and destroy!)



Are you growing them to extract eucalyptus oil? or water? It takes a lot of

leaves to produce a little oil.



Cheeribye,

Reigan.





Kath801 wrote in message <19980120151600.KAA19667@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>>Reigan wrote: (about eucalyptus trees)

>  They love blood and bone nad - usually a lot

>>of<BR>

>>water in summer.

>

>

>    What is blood and bone nad?

>

>    It's good for eucalyptus trees?

>

>Kathy

>(mother of 3 eucalyptus tree young'uns, 2 with long thin leaves, one with

round

>leaves)









==========

Subject: Conventional "health model" - books?

From: Yngve Bersvendsen <bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:04:04 +0100

--------

Hi all!



As most of the readers of this group, I'm quite critical to how the

present medical system is functioning, with the emphasis of



- treating symptoms instead of causes

- the degree of specialization, where "nobody" sees the whole person

- the drugs are often poisonous and dangerous

- the huge influence of the pharmaceutical industry on health, research

and doctors

- their focus in illness, not on health

- etc, etc,



There HAD to be someone in this world who has written a critical book

about how the conventional medical system is working, about the

conventional health model, their metods and tools, and perhaps about

some "alternative" models.



Is there any kind person who can give me some information if there

exists such a book?



Thanks for your time





Yngve Bersvendsen















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Subject: Re: Conventional "health model" - books?

From: <baker@utdallas.edu>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:30:28 -0600

--------

Why don't you give Andrew Weil's books a try.  "Spontaneous Healing" is a

popular work...



Scott 



On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Yngve Bersvendsen wrote:



> Hi all!

> 

> As most of the readers of this group, I'm quite critical to how the

> present medical system is functioning, with the emphasis of

> 

> - treating symptoms instead of causes

> - the degree of specialization, where "nobody" sees the whole person

> - the drugs are often poisonous and dangerous

> - the huge influence of the pharmaceutical industry on health, research

> and doctors

> - their focus in illness, not on health

> - etc, etc,

> 

> There HAD to be someone in this world who has written a critical book

> about how the conventional medical system is working, about the

> conventional health model, their metods and tools, and perhaps about

> some "alternative" models.

> 

> Is there any kind person who can give me some information if there

> exists such a book?

> 

> Thanks for your time

> 

> 

> Yngve Bersvendsen

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: Conventional "health model" - books?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:13:37 GMT

--------

In article <34C34F44.A9F1EC0@nsd.uib.no>, Yngve Bersvendsen

<bersvendsen@nsd.uib.no> writes:



>

There HAD to be someone in this world who has written a critical book

about

>how the conventional medical system is working, about the

conventional health

>model, their metods and tools, and perhaps about

some "alternative" models.



Several books have come out on this subject in the past couple of years. The

most critical that I've seen is:



Reclaiming Our Health: Exploding the Medical Myth by John Robbins, publisher:

HJ Kramer. Robbins, who wrote DIET FOR A NEW AMERICA, treats the medical

establishment the same way that he treated the meat processing industry --

highly critical with lots of horror stories.



Slightly gentler books, calling for a more integrated approach, are:

The Four Pillars of Healing by Leo Galland MD, publisher: Random House

Total Wellness by Joseph Pizzorno ND, publisher: Prima 



I really like Galland's opening chapters on what needs to be changed in

conventional medicine and ways that MDs can adopt a more holistic approach. 



Of course, Andrew Weil has been writing about this topic for several years.

Steven Bratman, MD, had a very interesting book out from Lowell House on

comparing his success with alternative treatment vs conventional treatments in

his own practice. I understand that he is doing a similar book for Prima

Publishing, but drawing on a larger pool of practitioners for commentary.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Help - Greenfly!

From: "Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk>

Date: 19 Jan 1998 13:10:08 GMT

--------

To all those green fingered people out there



This is really 3 questions I need help with.



  Last year I bought a herb pot to sit on the inside of my kitchen window

ledge and filled it up with herbs.  Parsley, chives, mint.  The mint was a

mistake as it took over everything.  This year the mint (this is all I have

left as it killed everything else) has started to produce offshoots which

is great.  However it is covered in greenfly which are eating the new

shoots as quickly as there growing.



Question 1 -	How do I get rid of them without using chemichals as I use the

herb for cooking etc.?



Question 2 -	I would like to repot the mint on its own.  How do I do this?



Question 3 - 	Can I take cuttings from the mint.  If so how?



Any help is appreciated 





--Regards

Angela Mck







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Subject: Re: Help - Greenfly!

From: MICAHG@leeds.ac.uk (A.H. Gilmour)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:06:27 +0000 (GMT)

--------

In article <01bd24db$9e0976a0$1841f7c2@martinkerr>,

   "Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk> wrote:

>To all those green fingered people out there

>

>This is really 3 questions I need help with.

>

>  Last year I bought a herb pot to sit on the inside of my 

kitchen window

>ledge and filled it up with herbs.  Parsley, chives, mint.  

The mint was a

>mistake as it took over everything.  This year the mint 

(this is all I have

>left as it killed everything else) has started to produce 

offshoots which

>is great.  However it is covered in greenfly which are 

eating the new

>shoots as quickly as there growing.

>

>Question 1 -	How do I get rid of them without using 

chemichals as I use the

>herb for cooking etc.?

>



Soapy water



>Question 2 -	I would like to repot the mint on its own.  

How do I do this?

>

>Question 3 - 	Can I take cuttings from the mint.  If so 

how?



Mint will usually regenerate from a sizable piece of root 

with a stem growing from it.  If you plant it in your garden 

it will take that over too!  You can isolate it by planting 

it in some kind of tub or large bucket sunk into the soil.



Good luck!



Helen Gilmour

micahg@leeds.ac.uk





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Subject: Re: Help - Greenfly!

From: ahebcathe@aol.com (AHEB Cathe)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 23:21:26 GMT

--------

Helen,



I've never been successful "containing" mint, even with a 

tub in the ground... it just seems to trail until it finds more

soil or concrete ;-) to grow in ... I have had luck trellising mint

though... right up over the trellis and into the neighbor's

yard... now she can't get rid of it either ... hehehe.



-Cathe Gordon, cathe@aheb.com

<A HREF="http://www.abbysherbs.com/">http://www.abbysherbs.com</A>



>>Mint will usually regenerate from a sizable piece of root 

>>with a stem growing from it.  If you plant it in your garden 

>>it will take that over too!  You can isolate it by planting 

>>it in some kind of tub or large bucket sunk into the soil.

>>

>>Good luck!

>>

>>Helen Gilmour

>>micahg@leeds.ac.uk





==========

Subject: Re: Help - Greenfly!

From: MICAHG@leeds.ac.uk (A.H. Gilmour)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:36:49 +0000 (GMT)

--------

In article <19980119232100.SAA10024@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

   ahebcathe@aol.com (AHEB Cathe) wrote:

>Helen,

>

>I've never been successful "containing" mint, even with a 

>tub in the ground... it just seems to trail until it finds 

more

>soil or concrete ;-) to grow in ... I have had luck 

trellising mint

>though... right up over the trellis and into the neighbor's

>yard... now she can't get rid of it either ... hehehe.

>

>-Cathe Gordon, cathe@aheb.com



My father hated having mint in the garden, because it sent 

out shoots into his lawn.  He used to kill it off with 

creosote when he was tarring the fence.  This always worked 

and did not seem to do the ground any harm.



Helen Gilmour

micahg@leeds.ac.uk





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Subject: Re: Help - Greenfly!

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:01:48 -0500

--------

Martin A R Kerr wrote in message <01bd24db$9e0976a0$1841f7c2@martinkerr>...

>

>Question 1 - How do I get rid of them without using chemichals as I use the

>herb for cooking etc.?





A simple solution is to buy some Dr. Bronners liquid soap (peppermint or

eucalyptus work well), mix it up 1:10 with water, and spray thoroughly over

the plants.  Leave it on 10 minutes or so, then wash it off completely (you

will burn the leaves if you don't get it off).  The soap suffocates and

removes the aphids and kills their eggs without causing permanent harm to

the plants, and is perfectly safe.



>Question 2 - I would like to repot the mint on its own.  How do I do this?





Most running mints are difficult to kill if they like the growing conditions

(which yours apparently does).  You can just dig a circle containing some

living stalks out of the planter and put them into a good potting soil in a

new pot.  Keep watered for several days, until the leaves have recovered

from the shock of transplanting (loss of roots).



>Question 3 - Can I take cuttings from the mint.  If so how?





Just make sure that each cutting has several "joints" attached; these are

where the leaves and new shoots appear, and where the roots develop in these

types of running mints.  Gently push these joints down into some damp sand

so the old stalk is just covered, leaving the attached leaves above the

surface.  Keep the sand barely damp, and mist occasionally to keep the

leaves from wilting (they may anyhow, but this doesn't mean you've failed -

they often recover from this).  Keep the plants out of the direct sun but

give as much indirect light as possible until they show signs of new growth.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Help - Greenfly!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 19:25:01 -0700

--------

"Martin A R Kerr" <martin.kerr@sol.co.uk> wrote:

> This year the mint (this is all I have

>left as it killed everything else) it is covered in greenfly 

>shoots as quickly as there growing.

>

>Question 1 -	How do I get rid of them without using chemichals as I use the

>herb for cooking etc.?

  Take a spray bottle, the sort that window cleaners or other

household cleaners are sold in.  Clean it thoroughly, and put in

a teaspoon of salad oil and about 1/4 tsp of liquid detergent,

the type you wwash dishes in.   Fill the bottle with warmish

water and spray the mint thoroughly every couple of days.



>Question 2 -	I would like to repot the mint on its own.  How do I do this?

  Just tip it out of the pot it is in, slice out the mint from

the rest and stick the mint into a larger por of its own.  It's

hard to kill!



>Question 3 - 	Can I take cuttings from the mint.  If so how?



  You can try sticking a sprig of it into a glas of water.  It

might sprout.  Most mints spread by underground runners .. if you

plant it in a larger pot, when it fills that pot you can slice

chunks of shoots and roots off and pot them up.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Herbs re: hormones?

From: mountshasta@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:05:03 -0800

--------

Is there any homeopathy and/or herbs for possible lack of progestrone.



Here's the story:



Back in Oct. 97, I had a period for 27 days. (Yes, actually 27 days

long!)  Went to the doctor and she put me on Provera... didn't help.

Then she put me on birth control pills.... didn't help.  She then

referred me to a gynocologist.  (No problem, very nice man)  He told me

to ride it out.  That since I was going through some stress (It never

affected me before) that my cycle would probably come around.  He took

me off of the birth control pills and said to get pregnant, that would

solve it. (Actually, I did want to get pregnant.  I have 3 teenagers and

am with the man I love and wanted another child) 



So to make a long story, longer...



I did stop bleeding and had my next period in 28 days in Nov. so we

decided to try getting pregnant.  Took an ovulator test and I was

ovulating. So in Dec. we tried and the right time and then 2 days later,

I started spotting on and off until the next 28 days came and I started

my period again.  (It's alot like the one of 27 days in symptoms.



So I'm going back to the gynologist to find out what's up.  But I would

rather go with a natural remedy.  I have used Red Raspberry capsules and

they have helped with the bleeding.  But it still isn't right. 



Symptoms:



Incredible mood swings(lucky I have a guy who loves me! Geez!)

PMS out the wazoo (I've never had PMS before now)

Lots of bleeding





Okay, anyone out there with some advice?  I've never had probs getting

pregnant before (Just hang the pants on the bedpost normally!!!) 



HELP!!!



Karen





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs re: hormones?

From: "Reigan Scott-Palframan" <scotty@pcug.org.au>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:00:01 +1100

--------

Chaste tree (Vitex agnus-castus) is good for controlling the "bitch" in us

(don't take it all the time)

Wild yam (Dioscarea villosa) may help with your bleeding problem.

I wish you and your family a successful outcome, those raging hormones have

destroyed many a friendship/relationship.

Reigan



mountshasta@webtv.net wrote in message

<6a013v$7ud$1@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Is there any homeopathy and/or herbs for possible lack of progestrone.



Here's the story:



Back in Oct. 97, I had a period for 27 days. (Yes, actually 27 days

long!)  Went to the doctor and she put me on Provera... didn't help.

Then she put me on birth control pills.... didn't help.  She then

referred me to a gynocologist.  (No problem, very nice man)  He told me

to ride it out.  That since I was going through some stress (It never

affected me before) that my cycle would probably come around.  He took

me off of the birth control pills and said to get pregnant, that would

solve it. (Actually, I did want to get pregnant.  I have 3 teenagers and

am with the man I love and wanted another child)



So to make a long story, longer...



I did stop bleeding and had my next period in 28 days in Nov. so we

decided to try getting pregnant.  Took an ovulator test and I was

ovulating. So in Dec. we tried and the right time and then 2 days later,

I started spotting on and off until the next 28 days came and I started

my period again.  (It's alot like the one of 27 days in symptoms.



So I'm going back to the gynologist to find out what's up.  But I would

rather go with a natural remedy.  I have used Red Raspberry capsules and

they have helped with the bleeding.  But it still isn't right.



Symptoms:



Incredible mood swings(lucky I have a guy who loves me! Geez!)

PMS out the wazoo (I've never had PMS before now)

Lots of bleeding





Okay, anyone out there with some advice?  I've never had probs getting

pregnant before (Just hang the pants on the bedpost normally!!!)



HELP!!!



Karen









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs re: hormones?

From: Sheri Coleman <coleman@hudce.harvard.edu>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:52:11 -0800

--------

mountshasta@webtv.net wrote:

> 



> I started spotting on and off until the next 28 days came and I started

> my period again.  (It's alot like the one of 27 days in symptoms.

> 



> Okay, anyone out there with some advice?  I've never had probs getting

> pregnant before (Just hang the pants on the bedpost normally!!!)

> 



How old are you?  Could you possibly be menopausal?  



I started at 36, that why I ask.  Very irregular periods where my

symptom.



Sheri



Coleman@hudce.harvard.edu





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs re: hormones?

From: vf362436@hotmail.com (VF)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 20:11:22 GMT

--------



For possible lack of progesterone, perhaps a natural progesterone cream would 

help.



See:



http://www.progest.com     or     http://www.health-science.com



In article <6a013v$7ud$1@newsd-153.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, 

mountshasta@webtv.net wrote:

->Is there any homeopathy and/or herbs for possible lack of progestrone.

->

->Here's the story:

->

->Back in Oct. 97, I had a period for 27 days. (Yes, actually 27 days

->long!)  Went to the doctor and she put me on Provera... didn't help.

->Then she put me on birth control pills.... didn't help.  She then

->referred me to a gynocologist.  (No problem, very nice man)  He told me

->to ride it out.  That since I was going through some stress (It never

->affected me before) that my cycle would probably come around.  He took

->me off of the birth control pills and said to get pregnant, that would

->solve it. (Actually, I did want to get pregnant.  I have 3 teenagers and

->am with the man I love and wanted another child) 

->

->So to make a long story, longer...

->

->I did stop bleeding and had my next period in 28 days in Nov. so we

->decided to try getting pregnant.  Took an ovulator test and I was

->ovulating. So in Dec. we tried and the right time and then 2 days later,

->I started spotting on and off until the next 28 days came and I started

->my period again.  (It's alot like the one of 27 days in symptoms.

->

->So I'm going back to the gynologist to find out what's up.  But I would

->rather go with a natural remedy.  I have used Red Raspberry capsules and

->they have helped with the bleeding.  But it still isn't right. 

->

->Symptoms:

->

->Incredible mood swings(lucky I have a guy who loves me! Geez!)

->PMS out the wazoo (I've never had PMS before now)

->Lots of bleeding

->

->

->Okay, anyone out there with some advice?  I've never had probs getting

->pregnant before (Just hang the pants on the bedpost normally!!!) 

->

->HELP!!!

->

->Karen





==========

Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: image479@aol.com (Image479)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 18:25:11 GMT

--------

>Has anyone ever found a commercial source of this herb?

>

>It produces suds and is used in traditional herbal shampoos.

>

>Has anyone ever used this herb?

>

>



If you ever find out, I sure would like to know were I can get the plants.  I

found some growing in the wild in a large wooded area by a creek in Missouri

last spring, but didn't dig it up, I hate taking something from nature and not

giving something back.

Image4799@aol.com









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Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew)

Date: 19 Jan 1998 23:52:05 GMT

--------

I have purchased seeds for this stuff from Nichols Garden Nursery in Oregon.

Page 7 of the 1998 catalog.



http://www.pacificharbor.com/nichols/



>>Has anyone ever found a commercial source of this herb?<BR>

>><BR>

>>It produces suds and is used in traditional herbal shampoos.









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To: Image479 <image479@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: Linda Saylor <linda@infofree.dalco.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:47:04 -0500

--------

Try Companion Plants in Athens, Ohio. They have a marvelous collection of

medicinal herbs and their catalog is a great information resource.



email: Peter Borchard at complants@frognet.net



Image479 wrote:



> >Has anyone ever found a commercial source of this herb?

> >

> >It produces suds and is used in traditional herbal shampoos.

> >

> >Has anyone ever used this herb?

> >

> >

>

> If you ever find out, I sure would like to know were I can get the plants.  I

> found some growing in the wild in a large wooded area by a creek in Missouri

> last spring, but didn't dig it up, I hate taking something from nature and not

> giving something back.

> Image4799@aol.com



--

"The really valuable thing is the intuition. The intellect has little to do with

the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or

what you will, and the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why."

 --  Albert Einstein

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Linda Saylor

Connections Consulting

232 East Pleasant Street

Hillsboro, OH 45133, USA

Tel: 937-393-1136

Email: linda@infofree.dalco.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~









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Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 20:27:14 GMT

--------

Contact us directly by E-mail.  We carry Soapwort as well as many other hard to

find herbs, spices, resins, and cosmetic ingredients.



Mora 

Dragonmarsh Apothecary





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Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 02:22:08 GMT

--------

I have a bunch of soapwort seeds.  If you're interested drop me an e-mail and

I'll get them out to you.

Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





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Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: behill@sound.net

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:53:10 GMT

--------

On 19 Jan 1998 18:25:11 GMT, image479@aol.com (Image479) wrote:



>>Has anyone ever found a commercial source of this herb?

>>

>>It produces suds and is used in traditional herbal shampoos.

>>

>>Has anyone ever used this herb?

>>

 

For what it's worth, I once read somewhere that museums are using

soapwort rinses to clean old or fragile fabrics.  

	And in an organic chemistry class at Kansas State University,

I took some in as a display for lab.  The suds you get from this

aren't thick like the soap we're used to buying in the store, but when

you mush the flower in warm water, you get a lighlty foamy, fragrant

soap that seems to work well on skin.  The leaves will also work, but

are not as fragrant.  I've never tried the roots, which are

recommended.  I've also never tried using it from dried plants, but I

plan to.  

	"A Weaver's Garden" by Rita Buchanan (Interweave PRess, ISBN

0-934026-28-9) has a good discussion of this plant.

	A note to those wanting to grow soapwort:  keep the stuff away

from streams, etc.  The roots exude saponins, and these can kill fish

if too much gets into the water.  

	It's easy to grow, and invasive once established.  Personally,

I plant it ina raised bed with mint and let them fight for space;

keep then both under control!



It's one of my favorite plants,  have fun!



JR Schroeder-Phillips, Plant Pimp







==========

Subject: Re: Saponaria Officinialis (SOAPWORT)

From: "Robert" <poak@mail.netshop.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:50:44 -0800

--------



behill@sound.net wrote in message <34c91d6c.2712012@news.sound.net>...

>On 19 Jan 1998 18:25:11 GMT, image479@aol.com (Image479) wrote:

>

>>>Has anyone ever found a commercial source of this herb?

>>>

>>>It produces suds and is used in traditional herbal shampoos.

>>>

>>>Has anyone ever used this herb?

>>>





Richters Herbs in Ontario, Canada sells the seeds as well as the plant

(excellent company)



I believe their web site is  www.richters.com



goodluck

Robert









==========

Subject: Homeopathic sepia

From: Kathie and David <oponfam@iols.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:13:15 -0600

--------

Is this the proper place to ask about homeopathics? I can't find a newsgroup

specifically for homeopathic medicine. 



I have been taking sepia for PMS and the results have been remarkable.

However, when I stop taking it, symptoms return. Can I keep taking it all the

time? Or do you have to take it for limited times (like only the two weeks

before my period)? Any info would be appreciated.



Kathie





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Subject: St. John's Wort & pregnancy?

From: "T. Thompson" <jsandtt.@olympus.net>

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:55:21 -0800

--------

I am wondering if anyone knows whether it's safe to take St. John's Wort 

during pregancy, or while trying to get pregnant.  What about Valerian 

root?  Please advise





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy?

From: "Braun" <braun@pioneer.net>

Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:38:18 GMT

--------

I am about 12 weeks(3months) pregnant and I have clinical depression. My

Midwife and i discussed using St.Johns wart instead of chemical

prescription pills. She was wary of using St. johns wart because she felt

that the studies were inadiquate and she though that it was too big of a

risk.  Now,  all docs are different but that was the advice mine gave me.

as for valerian im not sure. Just DONT ask an employee at a health/vitaman

store because they are usually not very informed about the effects of herbs

on pregnant women.



T. Thompson <jsandtt.@olympus.net> wrote in article

<34C3E7E9.2922@olympus.net>...

> I am wondering if anyone knows whether it's safe to take St. John's Wort 

> during pregancy, or while trying to get pregnant.  What about Valerian 

> root?  Please advise

> 





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy?

From: Invision <affinityx@hooked.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:06:56 -0800

--------

here is part of an article and two links where you may find more info.



T. Thompson wrote:

> 

> I am wondering if anyone knows whether it's safe to take St. John's Wort

> during pregancy, or while trying to get pregnant.  What about Valerian

> root?  Please advise



  

              FAQ on St. Johns wort 

              (Hypericum perforatum and Hypericum augustifolia) 

                    v. 3.1d

  

                   By Camilla Cracchiolo, R.N. 

  

Last updated: December 17, 1997

  

    

8.  RESEARCH ON ST. JOHN'S WORT AND PREGNANCY: 

  

    St. John's wort should NOT be used while pregnant or 

    if breast feeding. 

  

    First, hypericum extract has been shown to cause contraction 

    of uterine muscles of rabbits and guinea pigs in test 

    tubes.[21] Interestingly, Hypericum species were used by 

    Native Americans as abortifacients.[1] 

  

    This is not a great indicator of what it does in the human 

    body, but why take any agent that could cause uterine 

    contractions and so risk miscarriage? 

  

    Second, there is the possibility that certain chemicals in 

    St. John's wort may cause birth defects. 

  

    There is a lot of scientific debate about this.  One study 

    found that mutations occurred when Hypericum oil, tinctures 

    and extracts were applied to cell cultures.  Mutations in 

    cell cultures suggest that a compound may alter DNA and 

    lead to birth defects by chromosome damage or to cancer in 

    living organisms. It has been suggested that quercetin was 

    the mutagenic agent.[26] (Agents that cause birth defects are 

    called teratogens.) 

  

    However, other studies both in test tubes and in animals did 

    not confirm this finding. [26] 

  

    A 1:4 water/alcohol extract has been tested for mutagenicity 

    (the ability to change or alter DNA) against salmonella 

    bacteria. This is called the Ames test and is the standard 

    method used to determine how likely it is that an agent can 

    cause cancer or birth defects. St. John's wort has been found 

    to have anti-mutagenic properties, which means it not only 

    does not increase the rate of mutations, but it decreases 

    them below normal.[2] 

  

    It's also been tested in test tubes (in vitro) against rat 

    embryo cells with negative results.[22] 

  

    The extract used in the rat embryo study mentioned above yielded 

    0.2 to 0.3% hypericin and 0.35mg/g of quercetin.  This suggests 

    that neither of these compounds are the agents that cause birth 

    defects.  If a mutagenic agent is present, the most likely place 

    to look for it would be in the oily fraction.  (This is what is 

    most likely to be left behind after water/alcohol extraction, 

    since oils do not mix well with water or alcohols.) 

  

    Even if it turns out that Hypericum doesn't cause cell 

    mutations, there are are many mechanisms other than 

    chromosomal damage by which birth defects can occur. 

    Thalidomide, for example, probably causes birth defects by 

    blocking the formation of new blood vessels between the 6th 

    and 9th week of pregnancy. Thus, it's conceivable that an 

    agent that passes the Ames test could still be teratogenic. 

  

    Of particular concern to me is the effect of an 

    anti-depressant agent on the developing nervous system and 

    brain of a fetus or newborn.  This might actually be MORE of 

    a risk in the last trimester of pregnancy or shortly after 

    birth (when the infant brain is undergoing subtle but 

    critical formation) so just avoiding the first 12 week 

    "window of vulnerability" isn't sufficient. 

  

    A note of caution is also due regarding the estrogenic agents 

    in St. John's wort.  To my knowledge, beta-sitosterol has 

    never been tested for teratogenic effects.  We do know that 

    certain estrogens, notably D.E.S. (diethylstilbesterol) cause 

    deformities and cancers of the reproductive system and reduce 

    fertility in people exposed to them in utero (while still in 

    the womb).  It can take many years for such problems to 

    become evident: DES daughters did not develop vaginal cancers 

    until well into adulthood. 

  

    I think we would do well to remember the effects of DES on 

    both males and females, as well as the possible role of 

    estrogenic organohalides in breast cancers and reduced male 

    fertility.  In other words, I personally wouldn't take any 

    estrogenic agent during pregnancy if I could avoid it. 

  

    If an anti-depressant is still needed during pregnancy, I'd 

    use a standard prescription antidepressant that's had a long 

    history of use and that we've got some data about in pregnant 

    women. I'd use such a drug only if I couldn't get by without 

    it (i.e. suicide or psychosis is an immediate danger) and for 

    as short a period of time as possible. 



for rest of faq go here 

http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ





This is a nurses page which linked me to stjw,faq, you may be able to

find something on valarian root there

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/SylviaRN/nursing.htm



  

take care/bob





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & pregnancy?

From: Curtis J Hepworth <blizzard@mail.xmission.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:11:14 -0700

--------

T. Thompson wrote:

> 

> I am wondering if anyone knows whether it's safe to take St. John's Wort

> during pregancy, or while trying to get pregnant.  What about Valerian

> root?  Please advise



I have checked the St. Johns herb and extract and each bottle has a

caution stating not to use it durring pregnancy. I did not find a

caution statement on Valerian Rt Extract. I would still use caution when

using anything that can act as a drug even though its natural. What ever

you take into your body your unborn child is getting as well. 



Best of luck,



Beverly





==========

Subject: Anybody catch Australian flu yet?

From: MsRight@webtv.net (Marion)

Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:00:19 -0500

--------

A few people at work have just come down with it. Any suggestions for

boosting up immune system to prevent catching it?





==========

Subject: Re: Anybody catch Australian flu yet?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 06:26:00 -0700

--------

MsRight@webtv.net (Marion) wrote:



>A few people at work have just come down with it. Any suggestions for

>boosting up immune system to prevent catching it?



   Unfortunately, the most infective stage of a viral illness is

BEFORE the symptoms are full blown: the sniffles and sneezing

spread the virus to new victims.  By the time the fever and

achees set in, the new victims are incubating.

Mother nature is sneaky!



 Most bacteriologists are wrist-deep in germs, but seldom become

clinically ill, because they use low-tech ways to prevent a lot

of things, none of which have to do with the immune system.  They

have to do with keeping the virus particles away from your mucous

membranes:



1.  Train yourself to keep your hands away from your face.

Eye-rubbing, nose scratching, etc. transfer virus particles from

hands to mucous membranes.  



2. Wash your hands before you eat, smoke, handle contact lenses,

apply makeup, or do anything else with your face.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: herbal tea!?

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:21:46 GMT

--------



All I drink now is green tea with honey.  Does anyone have any

suggestions of what kind of herbal tea is good for overall health? I

don't have any sicknesses to speak ok... just am a fairly healthy

person and would like to try different kinds of natural herbal teas

that promote good health.



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: herbal tea!?

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:06:42 GMT

--------

>All I drink now is green tea with honey.  Does anyone have any

>suggestions of what kind of herbal tea is good for overall health? I

>don't have any sicknesses to speak ok... just am a fairly healthy

>person and would like to try different kinds of natural herbal teas

>that promote good health.

>

>B. Chamberlin



All the advice I've heard says to rotate... to not take one particular blend

every day for more than a couple of weeks at a time, or to keep two or three

blends on hand and switch every couple of days depending on mood.  My summer

blend is usually either chamomile-mint-rose (either petal or rosehip); or

some Celestial Seasonings blend.  My main winter tea is a blend called

Alpine Flowers, from Republic of Tea - blackcurrant leaves and berries,

rosehips, hawthorn berries, leaves and flowers, blueberries, red clover,

mullein, elder blossoms, heather flowers.  Republic of Tea has some fabulous

blends, everything from pure herbal to specialty black teas. Lately I've

been taking gotu kola and rosehip, and it seems to do good things for my

energy level.  I switch over to therapeutic teas only when necessary, and

keep a fairly wide variety of medicinal herb on hand.  (The recent thread on

echinacea illustrates why...)



Beth











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Subject: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: "Jon-Paul Brown" <jpbrown@datastar.net>

Date: 20 Jan 1998 05:41:51 GMT

--------

Is this coincidence, or is this really happening to me?

I started taking St. John's Wort, and ever since, I have had constant

indegestion and heart burn... Is it caused by the SJW??  



-- 

Jon-Paul Brown

jpbrown@datastar.net





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 06:26:00 -0700

--------

"Jon-Paul Brown" <jpbrown@datastar.net> wrote:



>Is this coincidence, or is this really happening to me?

>I started taking St. John's Wort, and ever since, I have had constant

>indegestion and heart burn... Is it caused by the SJW??  



  It could be.  Stop taking it and see if the problems go away.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: lhoover@ivory.trentu.ca (HOOVER THE MOVER)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:09:15 GMT

--------

In article <01b308fb$d92f3ae0$728ffbc0@jpbrown>, "Jon-Paul Brown" <jpbrown@datastar.net> writes:

>Is this coincidence, or is this really happening to me?

>I started taking St. John's Wort, and ever since, I have had constant

>indegestion and heart burn... Is it caused by the SJW??  

>

>-- 

>Jon-Paul Brown

>jpbrown@datastar.net



Digestive complaints are a known side-effect. Mine went away when I began 

taking it only with a large meal. YMMV.



Larry





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 19:59:51 GMT

--------

i've been taking it for about 3 months now and have experienced no side effects

at all.  It's replaced the (many) antidepressants i've been prescribed over the

years and it seems to be just as effective.  don't know if this is just a case

of wanting it to work, so it does - or that it actually is what it's advertised

as being.  At any rate, i'm happy with it and haven't experienced any

indigestion.  But i do know that it's listed as one of the side effects.



good luck with it!!  



maureen





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: jmarnell@spamblocker.netcomuk.co.uk

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:26:21 GMT

--------

On 21 Jan 1998 19:59:51 GMT, bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti) wrote:



> At any rate, i'm happy with it and haven't experienced any

>indigestion.  But i do know that it's listed as one of the side effects.

>



In my case, it actually alleviated some pretty severe indigestion.

This is because many times the indigestion is mostly a side-effect of

severe stress, which is a given with depression. But, as stated above,

it is one of the potential side-effects of the SJW itself. Maybe try a

tincture instead of tablets or capsules?



GCM

->->->To reply via e-mail, remove<-<-<-

->->->"spamblocker" from address <-<-<-





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort and indigestion...

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:35:57 GMT

--------



Jon-Paul Brown wrote in message <01b308fb$d92f3ae0$728ffbc0@jpbrown>...

>Is this coincidence, or is this really happening to me?

>I started taking St. John's Wort, and ever since, I have had constant

>indegestion and heart burn... Is it caused by the SJW??

>

>--

>Jon-Paul Brown

>jpbrown@datastar.net





If you are taking the dry herb in a capsule, switch to the tincture.   It

may be easier on the stomach.   Also, put it in some water and sip it rather

than taking it like a pill.



Evelyn









==========

Subject: Bloodroot??!!?!?

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:58:42 GMT

--------



I've posted this a few times and would have thought more people would

have writen me. 



Does anyone have any expereince with Bloodroot?  I know your supposed

to make a paste with it and it's supposed to help remove skin growths.

It comes in either a powder or an extract.  The thing is, I don't know

how to use the extract....I think I should just take it back and get

the powder.  Does anyone have any information on this?



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: Bloodroot??!!?!?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:49:46 -0500

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote in message

<6a26t3$gii@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...

>

>I've posted this a few times and would have thought more people would

>have writen me.

>

>Does anyone have any expereince with Bloodroot?  I know your supposed

>to make a paste with it and it's supposed to help remove skin growths.

>It comes in either a powder or an extract.  The thing is, I don't know

>how to use the extract....I think I should just take it back and get

>the powder.  Does anyone have any information on this?

>

>B. Chamberlin

>



I am not a licensed physician, so use your own judgement, but here's what I

would do.



First try clicking on:

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/b/bloodr59.html  This is a link to

the Bloodroot page from Grieve's "A Modern Herbal".  (And check the homepage

(http://botanical.com/) for the sponsors who were kind enough to make this

book available on the Web!).  I also remember reading (though I can't find

the source) that bloodroot deteriorates rapidly after being harvested,

especially when dried.  The extract, if preserved with alcohol, should

extend the "life" of the medicinal properties, and a solution of the active

compounds will make much better contact with the skin than a dry powder, so

I would use the extract rather than the powdered root.  The usual method of

using extracts, tinctures, etc. externally is just to apply them using a

cotton-tipped applicator (Q-tip), then cover with a bandaid.  Be careful:

bloodroot may stain clothes.  For a stronger effect, saturate a small piece

of cotton or the cushion part of a bandaid with the extract using an eye

dropper and tape directly over the spot to be treated.  Replace with

newly-saturated cotton once or twice a day.  It may also be possible to

extend the life and effectiveness of the bloodroot-saturated cotton by

putting a few drops of grain alcohol or vodka on occasionally, just enough

to moisten.  Since bloodroot has no history of toxicity from external

application, I would just check occasionally for any unusual signs of

irritation in the healthy skin around the area treated, and leave off a day

or two if the area becomes too irritated.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Vitamins Question

From: Jason Horton <jhorton@execulink.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:01:54 -0500

--------

I am a 22 year old male. I take one vitamin B complex and one

multi-vitamin daily. Should I be taking this much? Should I just be

taking one? What time of the day should I take each. I currently take

the vitamin B complex when I wake up in the morning and the

multi-vitamin with my supper. Is this ok?



email me at

jhorton@execulink.com





==========

Subject: Serotonin

From: lyned51422@aol.com (LyneD51422)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:54:48 GMT

--------

Does anyone know anything about Serotonin?  I browsed through a book at the

drug store and found that I have many of the symptons of low Serotonin.



I wasn't able to read past.



Anybody know what I might do to raise my serotonin level?



Thanks!!!





==========

Subject: Re: Serotonin

From: "Braun" <braun@pioneer.net>

Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:46:10 GMT

--------

I have Low seritonin levels which cause my Attention Deficit Hyperactivity

Disorder and my depression. I have tryed MANY different Prescription

medications under medical supervision and have found that Paxil works best

for me. This is in no way a sugestion just a comment. It is best to consult

a doctor (western or herbal) before trying to self medicate low seritonin

levels, especialy if they seem to be a major problem for you.  

Also you may want to check out books at the library and your county health

may also have resorces available.  I stress seeking medical advice before

trying anything, because seritonin is a Neurotransmitter that helps send

messages correctly between nerves in the brain, and messing with those can

be dangerous.

`````heidi``````



LyneD51422 <lyned51422@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980120185401.NAA12737@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Does anyone know anything about Serotonin?  I browsed through a book at

the

> drug store and found that I have many of the symptons of low Serotonin.

> 

> I wasn't able to read past.

> 

> Anybody know what I might do to raise my serotonin level?

> 

> Thanks!!!

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Serotonin

From: Robert Gale <rhgale@courant.infi.net>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:15:11 -0500

--------

Braun wrote:



> I have Low seritonin levels which cause my Attention Deficit Hyperactivity

> Disorder and my depression. I have tryed MANY different Prescription

> medications under medical supervision and have found that Paxil works best

> for me. This is in no way a sugestion just a comment. It is best to consult

> a doctor (western or herbal) before trying to self medicate low seritonin

> levels, especialy if they seem to be a major problem for you.

> Also you may want to check out books at the library and your county health

> may also have resorces available.  I stress seeking medical advice before

> trying anything, because seritonin is a Neurotransmitter that helps send

> messages correctly between nerves in the brain, and messing with those can

> be dangerous.

> `````heidi``````

>

> LyneD51422 <lyned51422@aol.com> wrote in article

> <19980120185401.NAA12737@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> > Does anyone know anything about Serotonin?  I browsed through a book at

> the

> > drug store and found that I have many of the symptons of low Serotonin.

> >

> > I wasn't able to read past.

> >

> > Anybody know what I might do to raise my serotonin level?

> >

> > Thanks!!!

> >



  I would agree on the need for caution. Most agents which increase serotonin

also affect other neurotransmitters and can often cause halucinations. Look

first for a simpler solution..... anemia can look very similar...as can many

other problems. It sounds as though purchasing ( or the library) or getting the

look for a longer read might be useful.

Bob







==========

Subject: Chronic Sinusutus

From: jmb@pacifier.com

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:20:27 -0800

--------

I have suffered from what I call Chronic Sinusutus for years.  

Basically, when I retire of an evening, my nasal passage/s begin to 

close.  The reduced breathing area of the nostril/s or closure may

alternate during a sleep period or alternately open and close. This

occurs 95% of the times I retire of an evening.



Any homeopathy or herbal remedies would be most appreciated.



Thanks,





John at alt.folklore.herbs





==========

Subject: Re: Chronic Sinusutus

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:27:00 -0700

--------

jmb@pacifier.com wrote:



>I have suffered from what I call Chronic Sinusutus for years.  

>Basically, when I retire of an evening, my nasal passage/s begin to 

>close.  The reduced breathing area of the nostril/s or closure may

>alternate during a sleep period or alternately open and close. This

>occurs 95% of the times I retire of an evening.



John:

   It sounds like you are allergic to something on or near your

bed.  I would recommend that you start with a thorough cleaning

(vacuum with high-filtering power, throw away the bag) of the

entire room, including the mattress and box spring.  Wash or

dryclean all the bedding, send the curtains through the dryer on

fluff .... get every bit of dust, lint, and grunge out of there.

you can

   Use an allergen-free mattress cover and pillow cover.



  If the symptoms disappear, it's a dust or dustmite allergy.

You can minimize them by making as many surfaces as possible into

smooth hard ones: tile rather than carpet, no ornate curtains,

minimal extra bedding.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Chronic Sinusutus

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 31 Jan 98 09:12:18 GMT

--------

>> I have suffered from what I call Chronic Sinusutus for years.

>> Basically, when I retire of an evening, my nasal passage/s begin to

>> close.  The reduced breathing area of the nostril/s or closure may

>> alternate during a sleep period or alternately open and close. This

>> occurs 95% of the times I retire of an evening.



If it mainly happens when you go to bed, your symptoms might be caused

by allergy to dust mites.  Try changing the sheets, pillowcases and

blanket every few days.  If that eases your symptoms you can then

look into the special mite-proof covers for your mattress and pillows

or the dust mite exterminating preparations.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: antibiotic herbs

From: "Kate" <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:34:37 -0600

--------

I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

or could you give me a book or web site to check.



Thanks,









==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:30:51 -0500

--------

Here are some of the herbs with antibiotic properties:



ANGELICA: It has anti-fungal and anti-bacterial properties.

CALENDULA: Flowers contain antiseptic, anti-fungal and anti-bacterial

properties that promote healing for burns, scalds, or stings.

CHAMOMILE: Flower heads contain up to 1% of an aromatic oil that possesses

powerful antiseptic and anti-inflammatory properties.

CHIVES: the leaves are mildly antiseptic.

GARLIC: effective against fungal infections.

HORSERADISH: is powerful circulatory stimulant with antibiotic properties.

LAVENDER: Its strong antibacterial action helps to heal cuts.

MINT: Peppermint is aromatic, calmative, antiseptic, anti-spasmodic,

anti-inflammation, and anti-parasitic.

OREGANO & MARJORAM: They act as an antiseptic and as preservatives because

of its high thymol content.

THYME: The essential oil is anti-bacterial and anti-fungal and used in the

manufacture of toothpaste, mouthwash, gargles and other toilet articles.



--

Sabry Alsharkawi

6068 Old Bust Head Rd.

Broad Run, VA  20137   (USA)

Phone:  540-347-4747

Fax:      540-347-4646

e-mail:  sharkawifarm@erols.com







==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:35:01 -0700

--------

"Kate" <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net> wrote:

>I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

>effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

>or could you give me a book or web site to check.

   For acute bacterial problems (like an infected hand wound with

a red streak heading up towards your shoulder or a raging case of

dysentery) they can't begin to do as well as the synthetics.  If

they could, no one would have bothered to develop penicillin.



Golden Seal (and several other aromatic herbs, like thyme)

   The "antibiotic" effect is mild, and really more of a

"bacteriostatic" - slowing the bacterial multiplication while the

body defenders kill them off.   It works well against low-grade

chronic stuff, and to defend against bacterial invasion when you

have a respiratory virus.

   The drawback: if you take goldenseal for more than a couple of

weeks, it will give you intestinal problems.  



Echinacea:

  Apparently works by stimulating the cells that eat dead cells

and live bacteria.



In combination with one of the bacteriostatic herbs, it is really

effective against nagging sinusitis, bronchitis, etc.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:24:15 GMT

--------

In article <34c65bc5.955530@news.primenet.com>,

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Kate" <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net> wrote:

>>I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

>>effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

>>or could you give me a book or web site to check.

>   For acute bacterial problems (like an infected hand wound with

>a red streak heading up towards your shoulder or a raging case of

>dysentery) they can't begin to do as well as the synthetics.  If

>they could, no one would have bothered to develop penicillin.



Penicillin isn't synthetic.  It's made by bacterial

fermentation.  Penicillin has been made synthetically

in the lab, but it's not cost-effective compared to

letting the bacteria make it.







==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 18:23:07 -0700

--------

eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



>Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>   For acute bacterial problems (like an infected hand wound with

>>a red streak heading up towards your shoulder or a raging case of

>>dysentery) they can't begin to do as well as the synthetics.  If

>>they could, no one would have bothered to develop penicillin.

>

>Penicillin isn't synthetic.  It's made by bacterial

>fermentation.  Penicillin has been made synthetically

>in the lab, but it's not cost-effective compared to

>letting the bacteria make it.



  By the time the liquor from the fermenting vat has been

filtered, precipitated, purified, sanitized, made into a sulfate,

sterilized, standardized, titrated and dumped into teeny glass

bottles  ... it's a loooong way from the naturally occuring

molecules.  It's a semi-synthetic.

  I was using the term loosely: meaning the opposite of eating

powdered plants, or making tea from whole plants.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: "Braun" <braun@pioneer.net>

Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:56:21 GMT

--------

well Cranberry juice is a very common "herbal" antibacterial for bladder

infectionsand so are blueberrys.Lavender,tea tree,garlic,and barberry are

good for yeast infections.



Kate <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net> wrote in article

<6a38b6$t87$1@news.onramp.net>...

> I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

> effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

> or could you give me a book or web site to check.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: antibiotic herbs

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 21 Jan 1998 03:37:50 GMT

--------

Re. Antibiotic herbs-Goldenseal and echinacea, singly, or as a combination

are terrific in this respect.  They are both broad-spectrum antibiotics and

are good for many things where others in the pharmacutical world would

normally be used, such as pennicillin, etc. 



Lendee@erinet.com 





==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:25:37 GMT

--------

In article <6a38b6$t87$1@news.onramp.net>, Kate <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net> wrote:

>I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

>effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

>or could you give me a book or web site to check.



_Usnea_, a type of lichen, contains a potent antibiotic.









==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:27:58 -0600

--------

Cayenne in combination with Garlic acts as a good antibiotic but stick

with fresh pure sources. Try dicing up the hot pepper & garlic & pan

frying it for a few minutes in olive oil to tame it down & you can add a

few other other vegetables to give you a better vitamin & taste range.

Nothing compares to the real thing.





==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: hs3ravens@aol.com (Hs3ravens)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:14:50 GMT

--------

>Cayenne in combination with Garlic acts as a good antibiotic but stick

>with fresh pure sources. Try dicing up the hot pepper & garlic & pan

>frying it for a few minutes in olive oil to tame it down & you can add a

>few other other vegetables to give you a better vitamin & taste range.

>Nothing compares to the real thing.



To be sure!  However I've found that those suffering from chronic, long

standing conditions, especially allergies, which have weakened their digestion,

or those who have ulcers or acid reflux can't tolerate the 'salsa cure'.  I

even made the mistake of taking it at the beggining of what I thought was a

cold, but was the stomach flu.  MISERY  :-(



So when I'm healthy generally I eat lots of salsa, eat cloves of garlic, and

make a Cold Killer Tea;



fresh crushed clove garlic

cayenne (1/4 to 1 tsp depending on mouth, stomach, and 'back door' tolerance)

Juice 1/2 lemon (you can grate the peel and add that too)

2 tsps honey

add a Tbsp of whiskey if you've got a cough with the cold.



The cayenne really helps sinus colds, you can add black pepper or any other

sort of herb.  I also take vitamin C in 1000 mg. doses every hour to tolerance

(Untill the stools become soft)  Don't take more than 8000 mg a day unless

supervised by a doctor.



When I'm too sick, or have stomach problems I rely on gentler methods such as

echinacea, or Sweating Cold Tea:



1 TBSP each

Thyme

Linden flowers

Elder flowers

Liccorice root

Ginger root

 and for coughs add black cherry or horehound or hyssop



Mix the roots together first in a quart of water and steep on warm for a half

hour.  Add the flowers and steep another ten minutes or so.  Drink as hot as

you can stand and take a really hot bath.  You can add a lb of baking soda, and

a lb of salt to the bath, or a box of epsom salts.  Dink lots and lots of

water.  Then crawl into bed wearing a hat and put extra covers on.  The idea is

to sweat the cold out.









==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:21:37 GMT

--------

In my experience, garlic is the most powerful herbal antibiotic. And I

have used it many times.  Find the potent garlic, and eat it RAW.

(With ot without other foods).

There are many scientific papers on the antibiotic qualities of

garlic.







On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:34:37 -0600, "Kate" <rkt@dotcom-xpress.net>

wrote:



>I have recently heard that certain herbs have an antibiotic

>effect.  Can someone tell me which herbs would have that effect,

>or could you give me a book or web site to check.

>

>Thanks,

>

>







==========

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:34:55 GMT

--------

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:19:12 -0500, DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID

SCHNIDER) wrote:



-=>Hi Kate,

-=>

-=>Infagard is a product that has been designed as a natural antibiotic and

-=>combines the following herbs, in mother tincture form....

-=>Peppermint

-=>Yarrow

-=>Lemon Verbena

-=>Astragalus

-=>Chamomile

-=>Golden Seal

-=>Echninacia

-=>Sweet Orange Peel

-=>Ziziphus

-=>Garlic

-=>

-=>This is a highly effective product!  I've used in and keep it on hand,

-=>at the ready for when the germs attack and attempt to get a hold.

-=>

-=>Go to the website www.sportroninterntional.com and go to the product

-=>information page and look up INFAGARD... you will also find testamonials

-=>on the site.....  Should you wish to purchase these products, for

-=>yourself, directly from the company, at the wholesale price... drop me a

-=>line and I'll assist you. 



The problem some will run into with a product like this one is with

the number of ingrediences it contains there is a much higher chance

of having a bad reaction to the product.  It's much better to find one

or two that works for you.



Victoria "Lee"



For address please go here: http://scican.net/~haxton/address.html





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Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: Clifton Young <clifter@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:19 +0000

--------

I've been using olive leaf extract to good effect. I get it at my health food 

store. It kills bacteria, viruses, yeast, fungus & parasites. I can't verify 

all of that; but I have used it for some of the above. It's not supposed to have 

any side effects. I've tried other herbs; but like this the best. During our 

present time, we need a good supply of herbs that work against those little 

nasties.-Clif





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Subject: Rescue Remedy

From: moleson@nji.com (moleson)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:42:01 GMT

--------

Been reading quite a bit about Dr Bach's Rescue Remedy.  Has anyone

tried it and if so what is the dosage and frequency of usage?



moleson@nji.com





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Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy

From: kcarter952@aol.com (KCarter952)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:12:31 GMT

--------

>moleson@nji.com wrote:







>Been reading quite a bit about Dr Bach's Rescue Remedy.  Has anyone

>tried it and if so what is the dosage and frequency of usage?

>

>



I take it every night to calm my thoughts so that

I can sleep better. I also use it when I have any

type of emotional upset. It's also good for minor

cuts, and scratches. I used it on my tongue once

when I burned it on hot food. It fixed it up in a

few minutes. I use four drops under my tongue.

You can also put four drops in 4ounces of water.



CE-CE





==========

To: moleson <moleson@nji.com>

Subject: Re: Rescue Remedy

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:35:10 -0800

--------

moleson wrote:

> 

> Been reading quite a bit about Dr Bach's Rescue Remedy.  Has anyone

> tried it and if so what is the dosage and frequency of usage?

> 

> moleson@nji.com





I have been using Rescue Remedy for about 8 years now.  I will go no

where without it.  I use it with my animals.  Four drops in their

water.  I have found that it does not matter as far as the quanity of

water.  When we travel I put 4 drops into our 5 gallon water jug. 

Everyone drinks it while we travel (children, husband, dog and myself. 

We are to  uncomfortable without it.  



In rare occasions I have been forced to drop straight into the mouth.  



J-9





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Subject: how do you juice aloe vera sans aloin

From: xtian@brainlink.com (George Bailey)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:54:15 +0100

--------

Can't I just put the whole leaf in a blender and then put it through

cheesecloth? I would really appreciate any info on the subject.





==========

Subject: Dr. William Campbell Douglas / Second Opinion

From: "George B" <gblomgren@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:10:14 -0600

--------

I must have gotten on every alternative healing mailing list in existence.

The latest mailing I received was for a flyer for a magazine called "Second

Opinion," with "Dr. William Douglas" as the apparent authority. I'm curious

if anybody has an opinion on him or the magazine.



I'm also curious about two "miracle therapies" he espouses. I've heard about

both, and both sound "too good to be true." The first he calls

"bio-oxidation," and it involves hydrogen peroxide. The second he calls

"phototherapy," wherein a small sample of blood is withdrawn & exposed to

ultraviolet light, then replaced.



One interesting fact is that he implies that FDA is against these

treatments, and hardly any doctors are familiar with them. Well where, then,

would somebody even get the treatments? Very strange.



As somebody who is interested in alternative healing methods, I'm just

curious. I know it's not exactly on topic here, but it's not far off ... Any

thoughts or answers?



TIA,

George









==========

Subject: Re: Dr. William Campbell Douglas / Second Opinion

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Jan 1998 18:46:00 -0700

--------

"George B" <gblomgren@bigfoot.com> wrote:



>I'm also curious about two "miracle therapies" he espouses. I've heard about

>both, and both sound "too good to be true." 

   If these therapies worked the way their adherents claimed,

we'd all be slender, sexy, not-bald, and live to be 140 or more.



>The first he calls "bio-oxidation," and it involves hydrogen peroxide. 

  H2O2 when injected into living organisms can be damaging. If

concentrated enough, it's capable of causing severe damage or

death.   It's used to clean the body exterior, but isn't

recommended for injection (your stomach can handle it if you

swallow a little)



>The second he calls "phototherapy," wherein a small sample of 

> blood is withdrawn & exposed to ultraviolet light, then replaced.

  There are two legit phototherapies I know of:

1. exposing jaundiced newborn babies to strong light to help get

rid of the bilirubin (well known, FDA approved, very common)



2. Somewhat experimental, the last I heard, was a multi-step

cancer therapy:

  a. Inject the patient with a drug that will attach to the

cancer cells.  this drug splits when hit by light, releasing the 

chemotherapy right into the target cancer cell/

  b. Expose the patient to light (can be aimed at the tumor from

a fiberoptic bundle, light baths on the skin for leukemia ... any

way to hit the target and split the drug)



  Just what was his "photo-therapy" supposed to do for the

patient. 

>One interesting fact is that he implies that FDA is against these

>treatments, and hardly any doctors are familiar with them.

All quacks claim that they alone hold the secret, that the

"authorities" are against the treatment, etc.  It;s the standard

litany.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: oregano oil

From: misslyn@aol.com (MissLyn)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 01:48:24 GMT

--------

where do i get oregano oil. the real oil ?





==========

Subject: Re: oregano oil

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:00:40 -0600

--------

someone said Whole Foods had it . you can also get it at 800 343 5242





==========

Subject: Re: oregano oil

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:36:57 GMT

--------

misslyn@aol.com (MissLyn) wrote:



>where do i get oregano oil. the real oil ?

It is available from many internet stores.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





==========

Subject: cayenne info please

From: gene@ionet.net (Gene Bortmes)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:48:41 GMT

--------

I need to buy a copy of Dr. Schulze's book, "Curing Wity Cayenne"

Any info, or know where to buy same?  Thanks,  A 2md hand copy would

be just fine.





==========

Subject: Re: cayenne info please

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:04:47 -0600

--------

check the web site that is related to Dr. Schulze. you can get the book

from the place in Florida that sells the products 





==========

Subject: dry skin .... help?

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:36 GMT

--------



I have very dry skin and don't know what to use.   I drink plent of

water as some people have told me to do and eat fairly well.  I have

just started reading on herbs and some of the interesting things that

they can be used for.  



Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:31:31 -0600

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

> 

> I have very dry skin and don't know what to use.   I drink plent of

> water as some people have told me to do and eat fairly well.  I have

> just started reading on herbs and some of the interesting things that

> they can be used for.

> 

> Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

> skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

> brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

> winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...

> 

> B. Chamberlin



Coconut oil [a bit of a misnomer, it's a solid at room temperature]. 

Whole Foods tried to stop carrying it [in the food aisles] because it's

really unhealthy; enough shoppers yelled and they restocked it - in the

body care section.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 03:49:00 GMT

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

:

:I have very dry skin and don't know what to use.   I drink plent of

:water as some people have told me to do and eat fairly well.  I have

:just started reading on herbs and some of the interesting things that

:they can be used for.  

:

:Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

:skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

:brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

:winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...

:

:B. Chamberlin

:



Aloe Vera cream works fine for my hands.  It's a vanishing cream in that you

rub it in, and 3 minutes later, it's all been absorbed.  Jojoba cream is also

pretty good. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: schmitt100@aol.com (Schmitt100)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 17:07:13 GMT

--------

>This is only in the

>:winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...



It might also be from all of the dry heat you are encountering in the winter. I

would try a humidifier in your home if you don't already have one going -

especially at night when sleeping. I know my skin, especially my legs, get

extremely dry and itchy during the winter months - also when I wear

slacks/jeans all day - this seems to make it worse than when I wear skirts

(without pantyhose) or shorts.



Hope this helps!



Rebecca





==========

Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 05:32:02 -0700

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>I have very dry skin and don't know what to use. 

>Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

>skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

>brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

>winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...

    It's more likely seasonal use of the heating system, and the

incredibly dry air that a furnace puts out.

   Minimize the length and frequency of yous bathing: do sponge

baths for some of the daily showers.  Make sure your soap is a

moisturizing kind.

   The all-time champ for dry skin therapy: Alpha-Keri bath oil

(there are some good generic equivalents).  Take a nice warm bath

with a couple caps of that, and pat yourself dry.  It's really

slippery, but you can use it for showers by putting some in a

bowl of warm water and sponging yourself with it AFTER you get

out.

  

  Some of the best products are found in the "ethnic" section of

a beauty supply store (assuming your town is large enough to have

a store).  Blacks have a strong tendency towards dry skin, scalp

and hair, and some of the products there are old family recipes

gone mainstream.  Also, check any Hispanic-oriented grocery

stores: the "Burro's Milk" and Coconut soaps are very moistening.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:56 -0600

--------

My skin dries out  in the winter time & I have had good results with

Curel but I haven't checked the ingredients so some of them might be

questionable. Also make sure you have plenty of moisture in the air

provided by humidifiers. If your skin cracks at your fingertips by your

fingernails use a little dab of super glue to seal them up. I've been

told that super glue(Cyanoacrylate) was orginally used in operating

rooms. Mark 





==========

Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 10:35:31 GMT

--------

hi there

sometimes allergies or diabetes can cause dry skin....a good doctor or

nathupathic can help you find out what allergies you might have.....also, fish

oil capsules-efa can help dry skin from the inside.

hopefully, you do not suffer from any of the above problems....

Susie





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Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: jmarnell@spamblocker.netcomuk.co.uk

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:26:20 GMT

--------

HI,



	I've always had a problem with dry skin year round. Yes, it is

worse in the winter because of the drying effect of artificial heat,

so that could definitely be a factor. Someone's suggestion of a

humidifier sounds really good for that. 

	Our tours here in England have made it very, very bad, due to

the *extremely* hard water conditions here. What I have found most

effective for this is Avon's Skin-So-Soft line. (No, I don't sell it.)

I use the bath oil, either in my bath or squirt some on a warm, wet

washcloth and rub it all over. It will last you all the way to your

next bath, since bathing can strip the oils away again. No, don't stop

bathing. But if your problem is really severe, it can be a good idea

to bathe every other day, assuming you don't get really sweaty and

smelly every single day.

	Some of the others mentioned are probably really good

moisturizers/lotions. But I have the added problem of having really

sensitive skin as well, and I break out in a rash at the drop of a

hat. The *only* SSS product I have ever had a problem with is their

"Bouquet" scent (the green bath oil). Their moisturizing stick (looks

like a deodorant stick) is excellent for touching up the really dry

spots, like elbows and knees. Hope this helps.



JMHO,

GCM

->->->To reply via e-mail, remove<-<-<-

->->->"spamblocker" from address <-<-<-





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Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: jcant@ash-uky.campus.mci.net (Joe)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:33:58 GMT

--------

On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:27:36 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>

>I have very dry skin and don't know what to use.   I drink plent of

>water as some people have told me to do and eat fairly well.  I have

>just started reading on herbs and some of the interesting things that

>they can be used for.  

>

>Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

>skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

>brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

>winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...

>

>B. Chamberlin

>



I started having all kinds of dry skin problems lasting several years.

The final solution was simply to change soap. I stopped using Ivory

for a bath soap and started using Dove. I guess that as the body and

skin changes through the years one should adjust accordingly. For the

hair, use a ph balanced shampoo with body purchased at a beauty salon.

	The only thing that I have found that really works for splits

on my fingertips is to put a small piece of white adhesive tape over

the split and wear it untill it heals. It seals it and lets it heal

with no pain.



								Joe C.





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Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: Marsha <aworld!@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:41:44 -0600

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

> 

> I have very dry skin and don't know what to use.   I drink plent of

> water as some people have told me to do and eat fairly well.  I have

> just started reading on herbs and some of the interesting things that

> they can be used for.

> 

> Is there any kind of natural cream I can make to help with the dry

> skin problem? My scalp is even dry.  I've tried many of the store

> brand lotions for my skin and they never work.  This is only in the

> winter, so it might be a seasonal alergy...

> 

> B. Chamberlin



Hi,



You can make a lotion for dry skin by thickening a bath oil with Cocoa

Butter, Shea Butter (Karite), and/or Bentonite Clay powder--melt the

"butters" and add bath oil.  Bentonite thickens, hydrates and is an

emulsifier.  



A healing bath oil can be made by steeping herbs in a carrier (base)

oil.  Sweet Almond oil is commonly used.  A good oil combination for

very dry skin would be a mixture of 90% Sweet Almond (for all skin

types--moisturizing and nourishing) and 10% Avocado oil (good for dry &

dehydrated skin and contains healing nutrients).  As a preservative add

1/8 oz. Wheat Germ oil per oz. of carrier oil or 1 ml. (25 drops) of

Vitamin E oil per ounce.  Both of these also are healing to the skin.   



Some herbs to add could be Calendula petals (pot marigold--not "regular"

marigold), Chamomile flowers, Lavender, Neem Leaf.  These herbs are

soothing and healing.   



A few drops of essential oil can be added for scent and healing

properties chamomile or lavender would be good choices. 



Marsha





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Subject: Re: dry skin .... help?

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:53:57 GMT

--------

--

On  Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:26:56 -0500,  Kindly1@webtv.net (Kindly1) wrote ...

 > It has been suggested that I try flax seed oil, primrose seed oil or

 > borge (sp?) oil for my severe dry skin.  Can anyone comment on this?

 > Will any of the above, or anything else for that matter, help the dry

 > skin "bumps" or blocked pores? The flax seed oil is recommended

 > elsewhere on the group but is it the preferred choice? I tried fish oil,

 > but could not stomach it.

 > 

 > I have had some success with Vitamin E creams or ointments, but I am not

 > sure that they are working any better than a good lotion (my choice is

 > LacHydrin 5).  Any comments?

 > 

 > All of my questions apply to body skin, not face skin as I seem to have

 > that under control.  Of course, if I get the arms and legs un-parched,

 > who knows what will happen with the face.

--

Flax seed oil contains Omega 3 Fatty Acid which are only found in small

amount in the Standard American Diet.  Supplementing you diet with either

flax seed oil, ground flax seeds or fish oil can help some skin problems.

I buy whole flax seed for about $1.00 per pound, then grind up 2 teaspoons

in a coffee grinder and place them in my cereal for breakfast.  The flax

seed oil can go "BAD" if not stored properly in the refrigerator.  The

omega 3 fatty acid have a shorter shelf life than the usual omega 6 oils

such as corn etc.



Evening primrose and borage have gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) and can be

bought in capsules.  The GLA has been helpful in treating eczema in Great

Britain where it is approved for use.  Take the capsules as directed on 

the bottle.  (EPO, evening primrose oil, can also help with PMS symptoms.)



Vitamine E and LacHydrin 5 are both useful for treating dry skin.  The

lactic acid and ammonia in LacHydrin 5 help the draw water to the skin.



A warm bath every so often is a great way the hydrate the skin.  The warm

water hydrate the skin very well, to lock in the moisture apply a lotion.

I like aloe vera lotions.  Alo vera has been used to treat skin problems for

a long time.  It can help promote skin healing.



Pete





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Subject: Where to buy??

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:28:48 GMT

--------



I've read about a lot of herbs that I would like to make some teas

with.  Where can these things be bought?  I don't want extracts or

anything of the stort... I want actual leaves etc...



B. Chamberlin



ps.  I live in Md... but was thinking of something more web based...

actually, I'm up for any suggestions.







==========

Subject: Aloe Vera question

From: xtian@brainlink.com (George Bailey)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:27:51 +0100

--------

   I recently saw something onm the web that said the skin of the plant is

useless. I also heard Gary Null say on the radio that the skin contains

the polysaccarides and that the skin is more important than the pulp in

terms of healing properties.

   I have been juicing aloe here and again by fileting the stalk and

blending the pulp with a lemon and then putting it through cheese cloth.

In the case that the skin is more valuable than the pulp I would also

really appreciate any advice on how to juice it with the skin. Is there a

simple home procedure for removing the aloin.



Thanks, George





==========

Subject: Re: Aloe Vera question

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:35:34 -0800

--------

Acccording to my resources, the skin layer of the aloe has a chemical that

is a very harsh laxative.  I wouldn't use it for medicinal purposes, but it

would make a great addition to your compost pile.



ej



George Bailey wrote in message ...

>   I recently saw something onm the web that said the skin of the plant is

>useless. I also heard Gary Null say on the radio that the skin contains

>the polysaccarides and that the skin is more important than the pulp in

>terms of healing properties.

>   I have been juicing aloe here and again by fileting the stalk and

>blending the pulp with a lemon and then putting it through cheese cloth.

>In the case that the skin is more valuable than the pulp I would also

>really appreciate any advice on how to juice it with the skin. Is there a

>simple home procedure for removing the aloin.

>

>Thanks, George









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Subject: Re: FLU-BAN

From: J Willits <jwilli@connect.reach.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:30:12 -0500

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Think you are talking about oil of oregano, haven't found a source in my

area.                                         J. Willits





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Subject: Herbs for dogs?

From: megnbill@aol.com (MegnBill)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 15:53:24 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of an herb that I can give to my hyperactive one year old

neutered collie/chow?

Is there a natural 'ritalin' for dogs?:)

Thanks.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for dogs?

From: ceri@earthlink.net

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:33:09 GMT

--------

On 21 Jan 1998 15:53:24 GMT, megnbill@aol.com (MegnBill) wrote:



>Does anyone know of an herb that I can give to my hyperactive one year old

>neutered collie/chow?

>Is there a natural 'ritalin' for dogs?:)

>Thanks.



I smiled when I read your letter, cause my german shep. mix just

turned a year on Xmas day!!  I also own an 8 yr. old dalmatian and

lost custody of my 2 men (black labs) when my husband and I split, so

I know a wee bit about dogs.  :-)   

Nope, no doggie ritalin for dogs, but a nice evening walk, or tossing

the ball across the yard a bunch of times, or even some undivided

attention for say 15 to 20 min. usually does the trick.  Your pup will

eventually wind down, but this is normal behavior right now!!  Enjoy

their youth :-)

peace

ceri





You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

thing: no one to blame. 

Erica Jong





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Subject: Re: Herbs for dogs?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:20:00 GMT

--------



MegnBill wrote in message <19980121155300.KAA24880@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>Does anyone know of an herb that I can give to my hyperactive one year old

>neutered collie/chow?

>Is there a natural 'ritalin' for dogs?:)

>Thanks.



I can offer you a couple of pointers from my many years of doggie

experience;



l.  The best thing you can do is give him regular exercise, regular set walk

times, make sure he understands when he is in the house that play time is

OVER.   No wrestling with him in the house.    Give him a chew toy, like a

nylabone to take up his restless energy with when indoors.



2.  Then take him to training classes so he knows how to listen and obey

you.   He already knows these things, but you need the classes so you know

how to speak and train him in a way he will understand and use techniques

that make it easy for him to know what you want without force.



3.   Neuter him.   He is old enough.   It will take a little bit of that

wildness out of him and make him a happier, calmer, more secure dog.   Young

male dogs are like teenagers and all the hormones racing through him make

him wild.   You do him a favor, and that of all your neighbors when he is

neutered, not to mention yourself.



4.   Dogs are not fully mature until they are 2 years old.   His personality

will settle down a lot after that.   So hang cool for another year.

Again, don't encourage rough house behavior thinking it is "play" ..... To a

dog it is serious business.



5.   Don't do and say things to make him excited.... just to watch him jump

around.   Don't wrestle with hands/mouth stuff.   Playing with a toy

outdoors, or gnawing on a nylabone are OK, but rough play stimulates wild

behavior and even encourages agression and biting.



6.  Be firm about making him stop frisking about in the house.   He has to

know that you are angry and that you mean what you say.   Then when he does

what you say, NEVER forget to praise him.



Good Luck.









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Subject: Re: Friend diagnosed with MS and having 'seizure like problems'

From: hscholes@nospam.greennet.net (Heidi Scholes)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:13:50 GMT

--------

Hi, I also have MS and have just started taking Virginia Skullcap

(Scutellaria laterifolia) for spasms and nuerological pain. Don't know

if it works yet, but I figure it's worth a try. I'm taking 950mg per

day. Anyone else have any experience using this herb?



Heidi Scholes







On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:27:56 -0800, "Norman L. Potts"

<nlpotts@nwrain.com> wrote:



>    I have a friend diagnosed with MS who is having seizure like muscle

>spasisms. Are there any herbal remedies or helpful words or prayers or

>anything I can offer her? She is seeing a specialist she trusts. But she

>has dislodged a molar, yep I said dislodged during one of her night time

>spasms. I'm not medically founded, just wanting to help.

>

>Norm

>

>--

>Beauty beyond thought everywhere, beneath, above,

>made and being made forever.

>

>







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Subject: motherwort/mugwort

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 17:30:36 GMT

--------

Are motherwort and mugwort the same herb? 





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Subject: Re: motherwort/mugwort

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 23:18:54 GMT

--------

motherwort and mugwort are diff herbs....



Mugwort (artemisia vulgaris) is primarily used as a treatment for menstrual

pain and difficulty, it is also used in folklore to stuff "dream pillows"





Motherwort(leonurus cardiaca) is primarily used as a Nervine as well as to

treat disorders of the menstrual system



This info is from:



Master Book of Herbalism by Paul Beryl



hope it is of some help to you



BB

Jia Starsong

The Witches Sanctuary

http://members.aol.com/JiaStar/index.html







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Subject: Re: motherwort/mugwort

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 23 Jan 1998 01:05:36 GMT

--------



JiaStar wrote in message <19980121231801.SAA19514@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>motherwort and mugwort are diff herbs....

>

>Mugwort (artemisia vulgaris) is primarily used as a treatment for menstrual

>pain and difficulty, it is also used in folklore to stuff "dream pillows"

>

>

>Motherwort(leonurus cardiaca) is primarily used as a Nervine as well as to

>treat disorders of the menstrual system





Note; motherwort is wonderful for menopausal hot flashes.   Only thing that

helped mine.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: motherwort/mugwort

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:35:34 GMT

--------

sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin) wrote:



>Are motherwort and mugwort the same herb? 



No!



Motherwort = Leonurus cardiaca

Mugwort = Artemisia vulgaris



Best Wishes,

Mike



.-------------------------------------.

| Mike Braben, TAC Ethnobotanicals    |

| E-Mail: alcastellosa@access.ch      |

| http://www.madlex.com/tac/ethno.htm |

'-------------------------------------'









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Subject: Bee Pollen & Ginseng

From: bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti)

Date: 21 Jan 1998 20:14:21 GMT

--------

Does anyone know of the alterative effects of Bee Pollen?  I've been told it's

an energizer, but that it also boosts appetite.  



Is there any one type of ginseng which is better to take than another?  I've

currently been taking Red Panax in capsule form, but my friend swears that it's

best to take it in a liquid form.  That's SOOO expensive!!!!!  



Thanks!



Maureen





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Subject: Re: Bee Pollen & Ginseng

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:13:20 GMT

--------

On 21 Jan 1998 20:14:21 GMT, bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti) wrote:

> Does anyone know of the alterative effects of Bee Pollen?  I've been told it's

> an energizer, but that it also boosts appetite.  

> 

> Is there any one type of ginseng which is better to take than another?  I've

> currently been taking Red Panax in capsule form, but my friend swears that it's

> best to take it in a liquid form.  That's SOOO expensive!!!!!  

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Maureen



Maureen,



The problem with taking tinctures is that you don't know if 

there's really ginseng in it or not. The benefit is that the

ginsenosides enter your bloodstream very quickly. You can make

 your own very easily however, and it's by far the cheapest way

to take ginseng. Our web site has complete directions for making

 your own tinctures. I forget the exact URL, but if you go to 

http://www.ginseng.ca/gi02000.htm you will see the listing for

ginseng tinctures.



As for which ginseng is the best that depends on what you are 

attempting to correct and your age, condition etc.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Oil of Oregano Thread?

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:32 -0600

--------

Has there been a good discussion on this subject? Is there a good

informative web site on this? From the talk I hear, particularily Dr.

Cass Igram, it seems to be some sort of miracle cure. Can anybody vouch

for this claim? Mark 





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Subject: Only medical?

From: hjv@geocities.com (Haavard Vaagstoel)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:11:51 GMT

--------

I have been lurking in this NG for a while, and it strikes me that a

very large part of the postings are related to medical uses of herbs.

Does there exist a different NG or mailing list which is more focused

on culinary uses?

--

Hvard Vgstl <hjv@geocities.com>



Homepage        @ http://gudmund.vgs.no/~havardjv

Trollsegn World @ http://home.eunet.no/~tarjeijo/trollsegn

Aohmed  Project @ http://home.eunet.no/~reisentr/Project_Aohmed





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Subject: Re: 2 problems: asthma and body building

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:37:32 GMT

--------

On 21 Jan 1998 05:39:22 GMT, sex4dsport@aol.com (Sex4DSport) wrote:



-=>My first question is there any herbal remedy to treat my chronic asthma? I

-=>usually use my albuterol inhaler 3 times a day.

-=>

-=>My second question are there any herb(s) I can use with weight lifting to

-=>increase my muscle mass faster than working out normally?



About two years ago I had three inhalers, 1 nasal inhaler, took

allergy shots weekly,  and took a bronchodialator in pill form, an

allergy medication in tablet form, and had a handicap sticker for my

car.  Now I only carry my Proventil, but seldom use it.  



For ME the best approach was:



A very high Vitamin C intake - 10,000 mg daily.  



Breathing exercises - I knew a flute teacher who taught me the

exercises she taught her students.



Self hypnosis - Learning to consciously relax the muscles around my

rib cage when I started to have an attack.



Paying attention to the EARLIEST symptoms of an asthma attack and

treating it then by relaxing the muscles and doing some breathing

exercises.



I am also taking Devil's Claw which is an anti-inflamatory.



Victoria "Lee"



For address please go here: http://scican.net/~haxton/address.html





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Subject: Want to quit smoking

From: sabisabi@webtv.net (heather)

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:30:15 -0500

--------

Any herbs or hints that may help?





==========

Subject: Re: Want to quit smoking

From: RogerDeepfreeze@webtv.net (ROGER DE VRIES)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:15:37 -0500

--------

Heather-

The best advice I can give you is :

JUST DO IT!!!



When I was trying to quit, I tried 2(!) consecutive prescriptions of the

patch, tried cutting down each day thinking that I could eventually stop

needing nicotine, it seemed that nothing could stop the deadly grip.



Finally, I tried hypnosis- figured what the heck- what's another $40. To

this day I swear that I did NOT get hypnotized, but the last cancer

stick that I smoked was in the parking lot of the Ramada Inn that night,

right before the seminar. (Feb. something, 95) I really think what did

it for me was for one, I was really getting FED UP with spending so much

MONEY on trying to quit. But the biggest reason for successfully quiting

is  how this seminar made me realize how DISGUSTING smoking really is!!

They would make you visualize licking a used ashtray, having YELLOW

teeth, BLACK lungs, loss of breath, smelly clothes, and basically being

a slave to nicotine. Once you DO realize how disgusting smoking really

is, and you see how idiotic you look with that thing hanging out of your

mouth, you too may never want to smoke again. I know Tony Robbins has

the same basic approach to quiting, and listening to his tapes always

helps me to remember. (just smelling it makes me remember how much I

hate it!)



Another thing that ensures that I will never smoke again is exercising.

When I smoked a pack a day of "True" or "Parliaments" I was always short

of breath when exercising. (and these are very light cigarettes- but

they are enough to get you hooked!) 



Now, I can smell and taste things MUCH better, have whiter teeth, more

money, cleaner lungs, more endurance, better chance of enjoying life

longer, etc. Aren't these ENOUGH reasons to break the deadly nicotine

addiction!?!?



MAKE IT ILLEGAL I SAY!!- cigarettes are probably just as addicting as

crack cocaine- why the hell are they legal!?!?

I guess it's all about MONEY, unfortunately. 



Just QUIT Heather!! I PROMISE you, it's worth it!!.....and the

_physical_ addiction is only 3 days or so. The rest is all MENTAL!! Try

quiting when you can take off from work or won't have to be around too

much stress for a couple days. Try calming herbs, such as Kava-Kava,

Valerian, SJW, etc. (I wish I did back then!) Smoking is completely

DISGUSTING and UNNATURAL- 



           QUIT TODAY- RIGHT NOW!!



       Roger D(epends on nicotine NO more!!)









==========

Subject: Re: Want to quit smoking

From: Sharon Litton <SharonLitton@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:22:30 -0600

--------

Or, Heather, if you need further impetus to quit, read my story here: 

http://home.att.net/~SharonLitton/



Pass it along to others who want to quit.  Maybe it will help someone

out there.  There are also links to help quit at

http://home.att.net/~SharonLitton/Smoking.html

   Sharon







-- 

Sharon Litton   mailto:SharonLitton@att.net     

http://home.att.net/~SharonLitton/

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5384/

Chat at Unet (newbrunswick.nj.us.undernet.org):  #wnm, #wnm-help 

"That which seemed a problem often avers itself to be the 

best thing that could have happened to you." --Pir Vilayat Inayat Khan





==========

Subject: Re: Want to quit smoking

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:32:40 -0900

--------

I quit smoking by doing a fasting Detoxification program. I had no withdrawals from nicotine.

I used blood purifying herbs in conjunction with the Detox program. Stress relieving herbs help with the hand-to-mouth habit. This was the worst to get over.  Worked for me.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Grape seed extract question

From: andy16@ix.netcom.com (Andy)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:33:58 GMT

--------

I've recently started taking grape seed extract and have been

generally happy with its effects.  For me, it's helping my circulation

to my extremities greatly.  My question is what is the proper amount

of this stuff to take?  Is it best to spread out the dosage or take it

all at once during a day?  What are the known side effects of taking

this or getting too much in your system?  I did find a site that

recommended taking 30 mg. for every 50 pounds of weight, and I weigh

about 170.  If there's any truth to that estimate and any other

information you have about grape seed extract would be appreciated.



Andy





==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: vlhill@airmail.net (Vicki Hill)

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:17:51 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:33:58 GMT, andy16@ix.netcom.com (Andy) wrote:



>I've recently started taking grape seed extract and have been

>generally happy with its effects.  For me, it's helping my circulation

>to my extremities greatly.  My question is what is the proper amount

>of this stuff to take?  Is it best to spread out the dosage or take it

>all at once during a day? 



My 10 yo son takes grapeseed extract, which helps calm him. He has

Tourette Syndrome, OCD, ADHD, and Bipolar. He weighs 135 pounds and

takes 200 mg, all in the morning. Somewhere I read 1 mg for every

pound of body weight for normal usage, and 2 mg/pound for problem

situations (like my son's).



Vicki H.







==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: "George Dunham" <gmdunham@ds.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:52 -0500

--------

For what it worth my M.D., who also likes natural products, told me that the

active

ingrediant in grape seed is Pycnogenol and suggested I take 1.4mg per pound

of body weight.

The tricky part is finding how much Pycnogenol is in the product that you

take.



George



Andy wrote in message <34c69253.303460@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

>I've recently started taking grape seed extract and have been

>generally happy with its effects









==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: vlhill@airmail.net (Vicki Hill)

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:44:35 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:52 -0500, "George Dunham" <gmdunham@ds.net>

wrote:



>For what it worth my M.D., who also likes natural products, told me that the

>active ingrediant in grape seed is Pycnogenol and suggested I take 1.4mg per pound

>of body weight. The tricky part is finding how much Pycnogenol is in the product that you

>take.

>George



Pycnogenol is made from pine bark and grapeseed is of course, seeds of

grapes. The active ingredient is essentially the same. However,

Pycnogenol  is trademarked in the US  to a Swiss firm. Accordingly,

most anything with the Pycnogenol trademark will be more expensive

than grapeseed.



Vicki H.





==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: telus <telus@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:50:43 -0700

--------

I rather eat lots of blueberries. It tastes better and same if not more potent power. The best

blueberry is produced right here in N. America.

telus



Vicki Hill wrote:



> On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:39:52 -0500, "George Dunham" <gmdunham@ds.net>

> wrote:

>

> >For what it worth my M.D., who also likes natural products, told me that the

> >active ingrediant in grape seed is Pycnogenol and suggested I take 1.4mg per pound

> >of body weight. The tricky part is finding how much Pycnogenol is in the product that you

> >take.

> >George

>

> Pycnogenol is made from pine bark and grapeseed is of course, seeds of

> grapes. The active ingredient is essentially the same. However,

> Pycnogenol  is trademarked in the US  to a Swiss firm. Accordingly,

> most anything with the Pycnogenol trademark will be more expensive

> than grapeseed.

>

> Vicki H.











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Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 05:32:00 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where/who Pycnogenol cooking oil can be ordered from?   

In response to George:  pycnogenol of any quality has the amount per

capsule on the label, check other brands.  I am a firm believer in buying

from reputable companies.  Doing your homework on this is a must.  FDA is a

joke for the most part, but if any body is into this they know without FDA

approval some companies are bottling whatever, and however they please. 

The company I buy from is over 20 years old and  does their homework so I

don't have to play russian roulette. Good Luck.    



Wanda



George Dunham <gmdunham@ds.net> wrote in article

<6a93r6$7cs$1@news.ds.net>...

> For what it worth my M.D., who also likes natural products, told me that

the

> active

> ingrediant in grape seed is Pycnogenol and suggested I take 1.4mg per

pound

> of body weight.

> The tricky part is finding how much Pycnogenol is in the product that you

> take.

> 

> George

> 

> Andy wrote in message <34c69253.303460@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> >I've recently started taking grape seed extract and have been

> >generally happy with its effects

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract question

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:27 -0500

--------

Ev in Schlaraffenland wrote in message

<01bd2b88$8d9c0180$838db8cd@schire.ix.netcom.com>...

>Hi folks,

>I just started reading this group today and have only gotten through 45 of

>300 messages.



It will get easier - there are typically 60-80 new messages in a day.



>My question:  What is this extract supposed to do for you?





It is a potent antioxidant.  According to Michael T. Murray in "The Healing

Power of Herbs", this and the related Pycnogenol (from the bark of a species

of Pine) help prevent damage to the naturally-occurring cholesterol in the

blood, resulting in better cardiovascular health (fewer heart attacks and

strokes, much slower age-related hardening of the arteries).



>I have been ordering flavored grapeseed oil for some time now because I

>enjoy all the flavors especially in salads.  Would love to know that it is

>good for me too.





I can't say for sure, but my guess is that the proanthocyanidins in the

grape seed responsible for it's antioxidant effects are not oil-soluble, and

would be left behind in the seed-cake after pressing out the oil.  In fact,

any that might get into the oil would probably be later removed by

filtration before bottling, since they would tend to make the oil cloudy.

Any of our more non-chemistry-challenged members care to elucidate?



-RJO











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Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Botany Site now has a Bulletin Board

From: Bryan Ness <botany.guide@miningco.com>

Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:33:19 -0800

--------

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Come share your questions and observations on anything botanical.



You can visit by going to the following URL:



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Subject: Chromium

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 02:31:40 GMT

--------

What is the difference between chromium picolinate and chromium polynicotinate?

 Which is (are) effective in treating high cholesterol, obesity, and in

improving metabolism?  Thanks.





==========

Subject: tinctures? need help

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:22:56 GMT

--------



I'm reading a book about herbs and part of it tells how to make

tinctures.  However, it doesn't do a great job and I am kinda stuck.

At the bottom of each section, it tells me how to make different kinds

of things from astringents to infusions... I'm cool on all those.  But

the tinctures have me a little screwed up.  The book does say to stick

the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

press an herb? I need help!



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: ceri@earthlink.net

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:52:52 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:22:56 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>  The book does say to stick

>the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

>says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

>does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

>teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

>the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

>of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

>press an herb? I need help!



Boy, your book makes it sound so difficult!! :)  I make horehound and

echinacea tinctures, so I'll just tell ya the way I go about it.  In

the case of the horehound I get a glass jar (doesn't matter what size)

and stuff it tightly full of the leaves from the plant, then pour

vodka to cover it.  Put the lid on and store for 2 to 4 weeks.

When I pour the vodka off into another jar I then take the herb and

dump it into a strainer and squeeze the rest of the liquid out (I

believe this is what your book is referring to when they talk about

"pressing").  I keep my tinctures stored in the pantry.  Hope that

answered a few of your questions.

peace

ceri





You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

thing: no one to blame. 

Erica Jong





==========

Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:00:45 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:52:52 GMT, ceri@earthlink.net wrote:



>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:22:56 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>

>>  The book does say to stick

>>the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

>>says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

>>does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

>>teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

>>the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

>>of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

>>press an herb? I need help!

>

>Boy, your book makes it sound so difficult!! :)  I make horehound and

>echinacea tinctures, so I'll just tell ya the way I go about it.  In

>the case of the horehound I get a glass jar (doesn't matter what size)

>and stuff it tightly full of the leaves from the plant, then pour

>vodka to cover it.  Put the lid on and store for 2 to 4 weeks.

>When I pour the vodka off into another jar I then take the herb and

>dump it into a strainer and squeeze the rest of the liquid out (I

>believe this is what your book is referring to when they talk about

>"pressing").  I keep my tinctures stored in the pantry.  Hope that

>answered a few of your questions.

>peace

>ceri

>

>

>You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

>thing: no one to blame. 

>Erica Jong



So what your saying is that the excess vodka, the stuff that isn't

aborbed is to be thrown away.  The part you want is the stuff you get

when your done squeezing the root or plant.. ? I think I got it now.



B. Chamberlin







==========

Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:39:24 GMT

--------

No.  Exact other way around.  There is no excess vodka.  It's tthe

plant material left over after the vodka is squeezed out  of it

that's tossed.  The squeezed vodka and the strained vodka are the good

parts. 



Keep all the vodka.  That's what the tincture is.  The squeezed out

vodka, too.  You keep it all in the same jar or bottle.  



The plant material is squeezed/strained out because it's garpy to

swallow. and most of the essence of it has been disolved into the

vodka.  But if you'd like, you could find some way to make it

palatable and eat it seperately.



I didn't snip this in any way so that you can go back over it and see

what he said versus what you said.  Sorry for the length of it all.



On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:00:45 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:52:52 GMT, ceri@earthlink.net wrote:

>

>>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:22:56 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

>>

>>>  The book does say to stick

>>>the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

>>>says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

>>>does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

>>>teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

>>>the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

>>>of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

>>>press an herb? I need help!

>>

>>Boy, your book makes it sound so difficult!! :)  I make horehound and

>>echinacea tinctures, so I'll just tell ya the way I go about it.  In

>>the case of the horehound I get a glass jar (doesn't matter what size)

>>and stuff it tightly full of the leaves from the plant, then pour

>>vodka to cover it.  Put the lid on and store for 2 to 4 weeks.

>>When I pour the vodka off into another jar I then take the herb and

>>dump it into a strainer and squeeze the rest of the liquid out (I

>>believe this is what your book is referring to when they talk about

>>"pressing").  I keep my tinctures stored in the pantry.  Hope that

>>answered a few of your questions.

>>peace

>>ceri

>>

>>

>>You take your life in your own hands, and what happens? A terrible

>>thing: no one to blame. 

>>Erica Jong

>

>So what your saying is that the excess vodka, the stuff that isn't

>aborbed is to be thrown away.  The part you want is the stuff you get

>when your done squeezing the root or plant.. ? I think I got it now.

>

>B. Chamberlin

>



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Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: luke <lchadw1@uic.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:07:37 -0600

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The key to a good tincture is quality liquor and finely ground herb.

One of those coffee bean grinders does a fine job of grinding most herbs

(the drier the better).





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Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:24:01 GMT

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On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:07:37 -0600, luke <lchadw1@uic.edu> wrote:



>The key to a good tincture is quality liquor and finely ground herb.

>One of those coffee bean grinders does a fine job of grinding most herbs

>(the drier the better).



Hmmmm....I'll have to try that.  I've always heard to use fresh herb

for best results.  In drying them out aren't you removing some of the

medicinal qualities?  

I'm thinking that may be a good idea, the dried herb would absord the

alcohol where medicinal qualities would be released, then pressed out

in the processing.  Am I on the right track here? :)



bella







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Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:02:01 -0700

--------

I use what is called the simplers method of tincturing herbs.  That

is, clean glass jar full of clean herb;  fill with vodka; let sit for

2 -4 weeks (turn and rotate jar gently as often as I can remeber

--about 5 times a week);  then pour off liquid (that is THE tincture);

then press the herb to get more liquid to add back to the tincture;

then I'll often dry and burn the herb and place the ashes ion the

tincture.......  pretty much like various herbal classes have taught

me with a pinch of medicine woman/amish/shaman/chinese/ayurvedic book

learnin'  susan in Phx



Scott Dunbar <appanat@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:



>formuls advice  having already been  given, a neat little selection of

>home style presses

>is available at  http://www.mathrespresses.com   i found them through

>karen sheltton

>narure@edge.net       most herbs should be cut finely, or even ground, to

>release the

>active ingredients.  major manufacturers who make pills often use

>methanol, which is allowed to evaporate, actually it is distilled away and

>used for a future batch, the better ones use ethanol in the same way this

>,unfortunately does not show up on the label, so

>home made tinctures and powders are the most trustworthy.  [opinion only]

>       ttfn  ian   appanat@hotmail.com

>miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>> I'm reading a book about herbs and part of it tells how to make

>> tinctures.  However, it doesn't do a great job and I am kinda stuck.

>> At the bottom of each section, it tells me how to make different kinds

>> of things from astringents to infusions... I'm cool on all those.  But

>> the tinctures have me a little screwed up.  The book does say to stick

>> the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

>> says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

>> does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

>> teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

>> the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

>> of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

>> press an herb? I need help!

>>

>> B. Chamberlin















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Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:32:48 -0500

--------

Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote in message <6ab0g9$70s@nntp02.primenet.com>...

>I use what is called the simplers method of tincturing herbs.  That

>is, clean glass jar full of clean herb;  fill with vodka; let sit for

>2 -4 weeks (turn and rotate jar gently as often as I can remeber

>--about 5 times a week);  then pour off liquid (that is THE tincture);

>then press the herb to get more liquid to add back to the tincture;

>then I'll often dry and burn the herb and place the ashes ion the

>tincture.......  pretty much like various herbal classes have taught

>me with a pinch of medicine woman/amish/shaman/chinese/ayurvedic book

>learnin'  susan in Phx





Problem using vodka is the proof.  There are a number of resins and oils

that simply won't dissolve in anything less than 80-90% alcohol - you'll

never get those with vodka.



If in doubt, try this:  Soak your favorite aromatic herb (echinacea root

works OK; gum myrrh is even better) in a little pure grain alcohol - Golden

Grain, etc, as long as it's 190+ proof.  Let it soak a week or so, until

it's had a chance to be saturated.  With myrrh, you'll end up with a

beautiful deep garnet-red solution that's clear when held to a light.  Pull

off a little of the clear liquid and put in a test tube or shot glass.  Now

put in a few drops of water.  See that cloudy stuff?  The solution isn't

clear anymore, is it?  That's all the stuff you *wouldn't* be getting if you

were using vodka.  It just never goes into solution at all, if there's more

than a few percent of water.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: tinctures? need help

From: gene@ionet.net (Gene Bortmes)

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:02:50 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:22:56 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



>

>I'm reading a book about herbs and part of it tells how to make

>tinctures.  However, it doesn't do a great job and I am kinda stuck.

>At the bottom of each section, it tells me how to make different kinds

>of things from astringents to infusions... I'm cool on all those.  But

>the tinctures have me a little screwed up.  The book does say to stick

>the herb in some alcohol and water and leave for two weeks.  Then it

>says to press the herbs to get the final tincture... what the hell

>does that mean?  My book says to use 3 1/2 cups of vodka and two

>teaspons of water... but it doesn't say how much herb to use.  After

>the two weeks is up, does that mean I have over 3 1/2 cups of tincture

>of whatever herb I was using? That's a little crazy.. and how does one

>press an herb? I need help!

>

>B. Chamberlin

>

The term "tincture" usually refers to an alcoholic solution of

something.  Here they are apparently telling you to use ethyl alcohol

(vodka) to extract the essential chemicals from the herbs.  They

should have said how much herb (conceivably the more--the stronger the

tincture)





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Subject: Request: Facial Scrub

From: J Willits <jwilli@connect.reach.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:16:31 -0500

--------

Several years ago, I had a recipe for a facial scrub using oatmeal,

baking soda, and several other ingredients which were put in a food

processor to make a fine powder. This was made into a paste and rubbed

gently on the face to help exfoliate the dead cells. Have lost the

recipe! if anyone has something similar would appreciarte seeing it

posted here.     J. Willits

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Subject: Re: Request: Facial Scrub

From: "Shadowrider" <johnnie@gwis.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 01:10:34 GMT

--------





J Willits <jwilli@connect.reach.net> wrote in article

<34C6D62F.E4F4BB35@connect.reach.net>...

> Several years ago, I had a recipe for a facial scrub using oatmeal,

> baking soda, and several other ingredients which were put in a food

> processor to make a fine powder. This was made into a paste and rubbed

> gently on the face to help exfoliate the dead cells. Have lost the

> recipe! if anyone has something similar would appreciarte seeing it

> posted here.     J. Willits

> 



In the book _Natural Beauty at Home_ By Janice Cox, 

there is a simple recipe for a scrub



Favorite Cleansing Grains

2 tb. oatmeal

2 tb cornmeal

2 tb. wheat germ



Mix together with water or your cleanser and create a paste.

Can be use on body as well. 



I found that baking soda is to harsh for my face but I do have senitive

skin. 

 I have read to just use baking soda and water or cleanser as a scrub.  

So why not try oatmeal and baking soda together?  Just a thought.



Starlite





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Subject: Something for Platelet growth?

From: Joseph Kwiatkowski <JoeSki@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 02:07:10 -0500

--------

Looking for an alternative to drugs that promotes healthy white blood

cell growth(platelets).

Thanks alot for your time and help.



                                                Joe K







==========

Subject: Re: Something for Platelet growth?

From: "Robert" <poak@mail.netshop.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:31:23 -0800

--------



Joseph Kwiatkowski wrote in message

<6a6r75$hg5@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>Looking for an alternative to drugs that promotes healthy white blood

>cell growth(platelets).

>Thanks alot for your time and help.

>

>                                                Joe K

>



I am not sure if this is a typo or a misunderstanding, but white blood cells

(leukocytes) are different than blood platelets.  Platelets are for blood

coagulation(clotting) and white blood cells fight off disease.  Which ones

were you looking to boost?



I find Richter's catalog a great source of info on traditional herb uses.  I

usually use this one before I hit the more in depth herb books (a quick and

easy guide if you will)



take care

Robert









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Subject: Re: Something for Platelet growth?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 23 Jan 1998 04:50:01 -0700

--------



>Joseph Kwiatkowski wrote in message

><6a6r75$hg5@mtinsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>>Looking for an alternative to drugs that promotes healthy white blood

>>cell growth(platelets).

>>Thanks alot for your time and help.

Background:

   Platelets are tiny fragments shed from a certain type of

(technically) white blood cell.  They become "sticky" and adhere

to the sides of severed blood vessels, forming a quick patch,

along with a thread-like protein called fibrin that catches even

more of them.  (complex cascade of events to get a scab)

   Like all the blood cells, they can be affected by leukemias,

becoming either too-numerous or too few.

   One non-leukemia condition:"idiopathic thrombocytopenia

purpurea"  (translation = bruising because of too few platelets,

and with no apparent reason for the platelet drop) is fairly

common.  It will go away, eventually, but it's a PITA

    Steroids can help in some cases of platelet deficiency: are

those the drugs you are talking about?



  As important as having a certain number of platelets is having

conditions that let them carry out their job: patching the leaks.



Things that inhibit platelets from sticking, or other parts of

the clotting process:

     Aspirin, ibuprophin, willowbark, Ginseng,

I would be wary of any of the herbs that "promote blood flow",

and those that claim to "prolong life", because their main action

may be similar to the way that aspirin prevent heart attacks:

inhibit clotting.



Things that help the clotting process:

  Vitamin K (seldom sold solo, also seldom a deficiency problem,

but you might be able to get a supplement with it)

  Vitamin C

  Calcium

  Overall balanced diet



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Sidney flu, Type-A

From: iq167@aol.com (IQ167)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 13:20:04 GMT

--------

We have a flu hitting us here in South Louisiana, Sidney Type-A.  Anyone have

more information about it (nothing on an internet search),  and what you're

using to combat the effects?



Traiteusse (piggybacking), hello friends 





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Subject: Aromatherapy Library

From: kesscrafts@accessone.com

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 14:01:36 GMT

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Aromatherapy Resource Library operates in downtown 

Seattle. For access to one of the best libraries 

in the USA on aromatherapy call 206 374-8773.





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Subject: GInseng Tea

From: "P. Fowler" <fowler@vt.edu>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:55:56 -0800

--------

I currently drink herbal tea with eleuthero and panax ginseng.I have heard about 

the benefits of taking ginseng my question is if drinking one or two glasses of 

ginseng tea a day will really have any positive effects. The label on the box doesnt say 

how much ginseng is in there so im not sure what its equivalence would be to a ginseng 

supplement pill.





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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:02:34 -0500

--------

P. Fowler wrote in message <34C7A44C.1431@vt.edu>...

>I currently drink herbal tea with eleuthero and panax ginseng.I have heard

about

>the benefits of taking ginseng my question is if drinking one or two

glasses of

>ginseng tea a day will really have any positive effects. The label on the

box doesnt say

>how much ginseng is in there so im not sure what its equivalence would be

to a ginseng

>supplement pill.



Most modern sources I have seen agree there is a minimum amount of Ginseng

required for any beneficial effects to be felt.  Much of the Chinese

literature mentions minimum doses around 2-3 grams twice a day in the case

of Panax ginseng; the quantity of Eleuthero required for a measurable

physiological effect appears to be *much* higher, perhaps 5 to 10 grams per

dose as a minimum.  Since the makers of the tea do not tell you how much

Ginseng is in the tea, or even the relative proportions of Panax to

Eleuthero, my conclusion is that they do not want you to know, and that one

or two glasses of the tea would have no noticeable benefit.  There are

unfortunately all too many companies willing to trade on the current

popularity of Ginseng (and on the advertising of some of the more reputable

sources of Ginseng extracts) to use the name without delivering much in the

way of benefit.  Even some of the more expensive dried extracts are little

more than colored sugar.  The only certified ginseng I am aware of at this

time is that imported from Korea, which has strict government standards for

product quality, but even these only guarantee that the product contains

some ginseng root, not how much; and there is generally no indication of the

ginsenoside content (an indication of activity).



The is in fact quite a bit of confusion even as to what constitutes

"activity" in Panax ginseng.  First, there are a number of compounds which

have shown "activity", meaning they affect the metabolism of living tissue.

Unfortunately, it seems some of these constituents have affects

diametrically opposed to other constituents of the same roots.  That is, for

instance, some of the compounds have a nerve-stimulating effect, while

others cause relaxation; both occuring together in the same root, the effect

of consuming the root would depend on the proportions of the compounds

present.  Also, different effects are accorded to the same species grown in

different places or under different conditions:  Korean ginseng, for

instance, is considered much "hotter" or more stimulating than the bulk of

that grown in China. This is possibly due to a difference in the types and

proportions of ginsenosides produced by the differing growing conditions, or

even by significant genetic differences within the species.  According to

the most ancient sources, the most highly valued roots were the oldest, and

the most powerful part the main root, with the smaller rootlets even today

often trimmed from the roots before sale.  But according to other sources,

tests have show the active ginsenosides concentrate just beneath the skin of

the roots, so that the finer rootlets would yield the most activity on a

weight basis.



If anyone has any other info related to this, I'd sure love to hear it.



If you feel better taking your tea, I'd by all means continue, since

obviously there isn't a simple answer to your question.  Remember that both

ancient and modern sources of information assert that ginseng should be

taken for some time (at least several weeks) before any effect can be

expected; it is more a *tonic* to the body energy than a stimulant.  Though

it may seem to act as a stimulant if enough is taken, it is not recommended

to use it this way, as it ultimately will unbalance the energy flow in the

body, leading to energy stagnation, partly showing as headaches and pains in

the neck and shoulders.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 23 Jan 1998 02:01:32 GMT

--------



And let's not forget the *other* type of true Panax Ginseng, Quinquefolium,

popularly called 'American Ginseng'.



(Eluthero is not a true Ginseng.  This doesn't detract from it's excellent

qualities of course.  It's a very worthwhile item)



Quinquefolium, contrary to Chinese, Japanese, and Korean Ginseng, is a 'Yin'

type, rather than a 'Yang' type.  It cools, rather than warms. 



Both true Panax Ginsengs combat stress - the Asian type is usually recommended

for older people (as they're cooling, and need warming), while the Panax

Quinquefolium is recommended for younger people. 



Quinquefolium taken in large doses may have a sedative effect.  Asian Ginseng,

taken in large doses, has a stimulating effect.



Quinquefolium is appreciated in many Asian countries, and is sometimes used to

cool one in the summertime when it's hot.  This also affords people the chance

to take a break from using the Asian Panax Ginseng, as occasional breaks from

it is often recommended.  The US and Canada export major quantities of

Quinquefolium to many Asian countries. 



There are loads of rippoff companies around, advertising 'American Grown'

Ginseng, which could mean anything. Always check the actual name of the

product.  There are even companies that advertise Brazilian Ginseng (often

Suma), and Alaskan Ginseng (can't remember the name).  While these items have

their own worth, and are often excellent products, they aren't Ginseng's at

all.



I've been using Quinquefolium for several weeks now and quite like it. Nex



 

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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 23 Jan 1998 18:21:17 GMT

--------

On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:55:56 -0800, "P. Fowler" <fowler@vt.edu> wrote:

> I currently drink herbal tea with eleuthero and panax ginseng.I have heard about 

> the benefits of taking ginseng my question is if drinking one or two glasses of 

> ginseng tea a day will really have any positive effects. The label on the box doesnt say 

> how much ginseng is in there so im not sure what its equivalence would be to a ginseng 

> supplement pill.



Ginseng tea is an excellent way to take ginseng. The problem is 

that most commercial ginseng teas don't have much ginseng in 

them. It is far better to make your own ginseng tea. Just buy 

the whole roots or ginseng slices and brew them in hot water for

about an hour.



My experience is that if they don't say how much ginseng is in 

it, then there is almost no ginseng in it.



Our website has many ginseng recipes (including tea). Yes, it 

is a commercial site, but you don't have to buy anything to use 

the information.



Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:18:12 GMT

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In my hebal book it says that Ginseng should not be used contiously

for more then one month.  What's up with that?



B. Chamberlin









On 23 Jan 1998 18:21:17 GMT, bgies@ginseng.ca wrote:



>On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:55:56 -0800, "P. Fowler" <fowler@vt.edu> wrote:



>> I currently drink herbal tea with eleuthero and panax ginseng.I have heard about 



>> the benefits of taking ginseng my question is if drinking one or two glasses of 



>> ginseng tea a day will really have any positive effects. The label on the box doesnt say 



>> how much ginseng is in there so im not sure what its equivalence would be to a ginseng 



>> supplement pill.



>



>Ginseng tea is an excellent way to take ginseng. The problem is 



>that most commercial ginseng teas don't have much ginseng in 



>them. It is far better to make your own ginseng tea. Just buy 



>the whole roots or ginseng slices and brew them in hot water for



>about an hour.



>



>My experience is that if they don't say how much ginseng is in 



>it, then there is almost no ginseng in it.



>



>Our website has many ginseng recipes (including tea). Yes, it 



>is a commercial site, but you don't have to buy anything to use 



>the information.



>



>Sincerely,



>



>Brad Gies



>



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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 08:30:43 GMT

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miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

:In my hebal book it says that Ginseng should not be used contiously

:for more then one month.  What's up with that?

:



I mentioned that in my post in this thread.



You don't want to take Asian Ginseng for long periods of time.  Generally it's

said that a couple of months is okay.  Then you want to take a break.



As for Panax Quinquefolium, American Ginseng, the Yin type, apparently you can

take that forever.  I'd like confirmation on that if anyone has other info.



You say 'What's up with that?'  I say, What's up with all this Ginseng stuff,

without even deigning to mention Which One? Nex

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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 25 Jan 1998 16:53:05 GMT

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 04:18:12 GMT, miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

> In my hebal book it says that Ginseng should not be used contiously

> for more then one month.  What's up with that?

> 

> B. Chamberlin

> 



That's only for Panax (Asian) Ginseng. It doesn't apply to 

American or Siberian "ginseng". Panax Ginseng is a stimulant 

and like all stimulants, begin to lose effect if used 

continuosly. There are other, lesser reasons, but that is the

main reason.



Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: "P. Fowler" <pfowler@usmc.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:58:02 -0800

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I heard that for panax ginseng you can start for 6-8 weeks, then take a break and after 

that, 3 weeks on 3 weeks off. Does this mean you continue taking it throughout the year 

every other 3 weeks?





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Subject: Re: GInseng Tea

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 26 Jan 1998 16:20:53 GMT

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On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:58:02 -0800, "P. Fowler" <pfowler@usmc.net> wrote:

> I heard that for panax ginseng you can start for 6-8 weeks, then take a break and after 

> that, 3 weeks on 3 weeks off. Does this mean you continue taking it throughout the year 

> every other 3 weeks?



That's the basic method for Panax ginseng. I usually recommend

taking American ginseng for the periods that you are not taking

Panax Ginseng. It can be taken every day. Also, the two ginsengs

 have different effects and that way you get the benefits of 

both. It also balances the two, which is very important in  

Chinese medical philosophy.



Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: John the Conqueror, Harry Hyatt, Rattlesnakes

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:16 -0800

--------

As is my custom, when i receive an e-mail query of general interest, i

post it to relevant newsgroups, minus the name of the querant. 



> Dear Cat,

> 

> Your website is very interesting.  I have thoroughly enjoyed all of 

> the different sections, particularly those archiving the amulets of 

> American hoodoo.  I actually discovered your site searching for any 

> information about John the Conquer root.  After reading your pages, I 

> was inspired to pull HM Hyatt's first two volumes out of the library, 

> and have delved deeply into his scholarly compilation.



Note to newsgroup readers: This refers to Harry Middleton Hyatt's

"Hoodoo - Rootwork - Conjuration - Withcraft," a collection of

African-American folk-magic spells. Information about Hyatt's work is

given on my web page:

http://www.luckymojo.com/hyatt.html  



> I am curious about the identification of John the Conqueror as Ipomoea

> jalapa (Exagonium purga) or jalap.  This identification is not 

> referenced in your pages.  Hyatt seems to feel that the identification 

> of John the Conquer with any particular species is not possible, for 

> he seems to have found different doctors using different roots.



Hyatt got most everything else right -- but he made many errors in plant

identification. My identification of High John the Conqueror root as

Ipomoea jalapa (a.k.a. jalap or Exagonium purga) comes from hundreds of

pages of catalogues of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s in my private collection

in which the root is advertised, named, and accompanied by detailed line

drawings -- each showing very clearly a root of Ipomoea jalapa. If you

look at my web site, you will see a small image of a label for my own

Lucky Mojo brand John the Conqueror oil. The image on that label was

lifted from a catalogue published by the long-defunct King Novelty Co.,

cited by many of Hyatt's informants as the source for the hoodoo

supplies they themselves used. The King catalogue was notable for the

high quality of artwork throughout -- the drawings of the herbal

material are practically of the quality of botanical illustrations.

Jalap root is so unusual looking -- and looks like nothing else, really

-- that identification from those catalogues is certain, sure, and

without doubt. 



> I was actually hoping to plant John the Conquer in my garden, but as 

> yet I have been unable to locate any source for seeds of Exagonium 

> purga.  Do you know of any source?  I am also interested in other 

> plants, such as chewing John, devil's shoestrings, etc.



I have not been able to find a seed source either. Perhaps someone in

alt.folklore.herbs would know? The plant is listed as moderately toxic

by the USDA, so care must be exercised in growing and handling it. It is

native to Mexico and the southern United States, and it should grow

freely anywhere that morning glories can be grown. 



> The use of a mojo or nation sack as a vehicle for the concentration of

> astral energies is of great interest, and somewhat reminiscent of 

> Franz Bardon's "fluid condensers."  I find it therefore interesting 

> that these items are always bought from doctors by those who will use 

> them, rather than being consturcted and charged by the users 

> themselves.  



It is indeed the custom in the African-American tradition to have a mojo

made up for one by a professional conjure or root worker. If i need one,

i myself seek it elsewhere and do not make it for myself. Call it

tradition or call it custom, but that is the way it is in hoodoo.



> I might be interested in one of yours.  I am thinking about what it 

> should contain.



The question of what a mojo bag contains is determined by the situation

(called the "condition") which is being addressed. Some items -- such as

John the Conqueror root -- would be found in most mojo bags because that

root is beleved to settle many conditions, including problems with love,

money, gambling luck, job security, and "nature" (sexual function).

Other roots -- such as Queen Elizabeth root (dried whole Iris spp. root)

or Angelica root (Angelica archangelica and related spp., a.k.a. Holy

Ghost root a.k.a. dong quai) have specific meanings and uses -- the

former is utilized by women and gay men to attract a male lover, the

latter is thought to be efficaious for the protection of the health of

women and children. 



The mojo hands i make up typically have 12 ingredients, mostly herbs and

roots, but also some minerals (lodestones, magnetic sands, pyrite) or

animal parts (rabbit feet, alligator teeth, cat's eye shells), depending

on the condition being addressed. In addition to special custom majo

hands made for certain conditions, there are traditional general purpose

"combinations." In making up these, i follow closely the combinations

laid out in old catalogues and books. 



For instance, in the 1930s, King Novelty used to offer a special mojo

hand combination for good luck in money matters that they called "John

the Conqueror Root and Lodestone Fixed in Red Flannel Bag with Free Van

Van Dressing Oil." There are more ingredients to the combination than

that, and they are all listed in the catalogue. I make up that same

combination to this day. (Van Van oil, in case you are curious, is an

old New Orleans formula made with lemongrass; it is used to anoint

amulets and is said to bring good luck and to provide protection.)  



I also sell "triple strength" type mojo bags which contain more

ingredients -- and more expensive ones -- such as badger teeth,

rattlesnake rattles, and the like. They cost a biot more than regular

mojo hands, of course. Most of these are purchased by gamblers who want

that winning edge. 



> How many nodes are on the rattlesnake rattles you offer?



They have 5 to 7 rattles. Anything smaller is from a baby snake --

anything much larger is far too costly to offer to the general public.

Because these come from the wild, i place a limit of one rattlesnake

rattle per customer. In addition to their use in African-American

folk-magic, the rattles are also popular with Anglo-American fiddle

players, who believe that placing rattlesnake rattles in their

instruments will enable them to win at fiddle contests. 



catherine yronwode



Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html





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Subject: Botanical Safety Handbook (Re: Pennyroyal-is it really The silent killer?)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 22 Jan 1998 21:14:54 GMT

--------

In article <34C03F92.1FD2@flash.net>, Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net> writes:



>Rosemary, thank you for a most informative and *rational* post!  I get

so

>tired of listening to people battering the idea that pennyroyal

should be

>banned to save us from ourselves.  I'm going to have to

acquire this book....



I was really pleased by the Botanical Safety Handbook when it came into the

store this month. It's not as expensive as I expected ($39.95, but a lot of

books from this press go for $100 and up) and the placing herbs into consistent

safety categories is a big help, especially for anyone manufacturing and

labeling products. This is a case of the industry meeting the call for better

labeling before the government legislated something less sensible....



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Herbs During Pregnancy

From: "Selah Grace M. LaBarbera" <selahlab@idt.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:14:34 -0500

--------

I would like to know if the following herbs are

safe to take during pregnancy.  If they are not,

what are the possible effects on the unborn baby.



1).  Rhubarb Root

2).  Fennel Seed

3).  Physsilum Seed Husk

4).  Corn Silk

5).  King Solomon Seed

6).  Kelp



Your help is very much appreciated.



Selah







==========

Subject: Re: Herbs During Pregnancy

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:04:02 -0700

--------

Take a look at Rosemary Gladstar's book on women's health to a

comprehensiive list of herbs to avoid during pregnancy. 



"Selah Grace M. LaBarbera" <selahlab@idt.net> wrote:



>I would like to know if the following herbs are

>safe to take during pregnancy.  If they are not,

>what are the possible effects on the unborn baby.



>1).  Rhubarb Root

>2).  Fennel Seed

>3).  Physsilum Seed Husk

>4).  Corn Silk

>5).  King Solomon Seed

>6).  Kelp



>Your help is very much appreciated.



>Selah











==========

Subject: allergies and asthma

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:22:56 -0800

--------

Hi!  A friend wanted me to research some natural help for his son's

allergies.  I thought I might as well share them with you all.  Are there

any others out there that I could suggest to my friend?



Allergies and Asthma



1.  Honey

Eat one teaspoon a day of non-pasteurized honey from your local area for the

three

months preceding your worst allergy season.  The honey will help immunize

your body to

the regional pollen.



2.  Ginkgo biloba

It inhibits Platelet Activation Factor (PAF).  PAF causes the bronchial

constriction typical

in asthma.

* Do not use if you have blood-clotting disorders!!



3.  Parsley

It inhibits the secretion of histamine which triggers allergy symptoms.  Two

teaspoons of

dried leaves or one teaspoon of bruised seeds or fresh leaves per cup of

near-boiling

water.  Steep ten minutes.

* Drink NO MORE THAN three cups a day!!



4.  Vitamin B6



5.  Vitamin C

This helps you to breathe easier.



6.  Onions

May ease breathing difficulties.

May help you resist infection.

Contains diphenylthiosulfinate which helps reduce bronchial inflammation.

Acts as an antihistamine.

Eat one-half an onion a day.



7.  From Juniper

Up to one-third of hay fever sufferers develop allergy symptoms from

exposure to juniper

trees in their neighborhood.



6.  Ginseng

* Although true ginseng is prescribed for asthma, bronchitis, laryngitis,

and TB,

GINSENG SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO CHILDREN!!



EnJoy the Earth,

ej



http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/index.html









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Subject: Re: allergies and asthma

From: "Frank" <agreenla@columbus.rr.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:26:14 -0500

--------

You should try Stinging Nettles.  It's an herbal product that is quick and

very effective.  For me one sneeze tends to cause irritation which can set

things off.  If I sneeze I take a pill and feel better.



Frank

P.S.  Does anyone know a simple, nontechnical explanation/method regard

cross posting and how not to do it?  Thanks

Evelyn Rainey wrote in message <6a8dlk$jjt@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Hi!  A friend wanted me to research some natural help for his son's

>allergies.  I thought I might as well share them with you all.  Are there

>any others out there that I could suggest to my friend?

>

>Allergies and Asthma

>

>1.  Honey

>Eat one teaspoon a day of non-pasteurized honey from your local area for

the

>three

>months preceding your worst allergy season.  The honey will help immunize

>your body to

>the regional pollen.

>

>2.  Ginkgo biloba

>It inhibits Platelet Activation Factor (PAF).  PAF causes the bronchial

>constriction typical

>in asthma.

>* Do not use if you have blood-clotting disorders!!

>

>3.  Parsley

>It inhibits the secretion of histamine which triggers allergy symptoms.

Two

>teaspoons of

>dried leaves or one teaspoon of bruised seeds or fresh leaves per cup of

>near-boiling

>water.  Steep ten minutes.

>* Drink NO MORE THAN three cups a day!!

>

>4.  Vitamin B6

>

>5.  Vitamin C

>This helps you to breathe easier.

>

>6.  Onions

>May ease breathing difficulties.

>May help you resist infection.

>Contains diphenylthiosulfinate which helps reduce bronchial inflammation.

>Acts as an antihistamine.

>Eat one-half an onion a day.

>

>7.  From Juniper

>Up to one-third of hay fever sufferers develop allergy symptoms from

>exposure to juniper

>trees in their neighborhood.

>

>6.  Ginseng

>* Although true ginseng is prescribed for asthma, bronchitis, laryngitis,

>and TB,

>GINSENG SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN TO CHILDREN!!

>

>EnJoy the Earth,

>ej

>

>http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/index.html

>

>









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Subject: OIL OF OREGANO

From: canadiens@mhv.net

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:35:57 -0500

--------

I just picked up a copy of Dr. Cass Igram's book The Cure is in the

Cupboard. It tells the story of oil of oregano and its uses. In the book

there is website address for ordering his books and products.

http://www.drcass.com



Jo-Anne





==========

Subject: HELP!  I lost all my bookmarks!

From: logic@nospam.dircon.co.uk (Kat)

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:00:43 GMT

--------

	Could you all help me by posting your favourite websites on

aromatherapy and herbs please? TIA!



Kat

================================================================

Visit our web site!  http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~k-humble/home.htm     

Stop by our IRC channels on EFNet - #CraftChat and #GingerTabby

================================================================





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Subject: what else can I take/bronchitis/flu

From: HealthyU@cwo.com (JB)

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:56:47 GMT

--------

OK...I now have the cold that all others have..it seems like.

Sacramento is one of the top 30 cities in the country on a cold/flu

alert for the next 5 weeks.



Ok..so I am taking mullein for the respiratory. Raw garlic..pickled.

Echincea/goldenseal..not as much as the mullein..have you ever tasted

that stuff????

Water, aspirin and lots of blankets.



Physician heal thyself??? What would others use? The worst part is I

have school 5 days a week. My love has it too...HE gave it to me. [I

*told* him he didn't have to share *everything!*] <g>



Please reply to me as well as the newsgroup.  HealthyU@cwo.com the

other is anti spam

thanks





==========

To: JB <HealthyU@cwo.com>

Subject: Re: what else can I take/bronchitis/flu

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:51:03 -0800

--------

Our family came down with the bug that hit in San Diego and Phoenix.  My

husband and I took Goldenseal and Myrrh capsules.  While our boys we

gave a tincture of Echinacea/goldenseal.  We all were fine within 4

days. We drank a lot of liquids and orange juice.



P.S.  I have found that sometimes if herbs do not work well it usually

means it is old.  I throw them into the compost pile and buy new ones. 

Herbs are most effective when taken within one year.  After that they

start to loose their effectiveness.



J9



JB wrote:

> 

> OK...I now have the cold that all others have..it seems like.

> Sacramento is one of the top 30 cities in the country on a cold/flu

> alert for the next 5 weeks.

> 

> Ok..so I am taking mullein for the respiratory. Raw garlic..pickled.

> Echincea/goldenseal..not as much as the mullein..have you ever tasted

> that stuff????

> Water, aspirin and lots of blankets.

> 

> Physician heal thyself??? What would others use? The worst part is I

> have school 5 days a week. My love has it too...HE gave it to me. [I

> *told* him he didn't have to share *everything!*] <g>

> 

> Please reply to me as well as the newsgroup.  HealthyU@cwo.com the

> other is anti spam

> thanks





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Subject: Re: what else can I take/bronchitis/flu

From: Firethorn@sonic.net

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:22:54 GMT

--------

Licorice would be a good idea.  Its a old fashoned expectorant.  I

take 3 "00" capsules 3 times a day when im sick AND drink tea.  I have

asthma and it seems to make a dent in bronchial problems.  Other than

that  Echinacea is proven to work well, and im a big fan of really hot

foods to clear things out.    :)





On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:56:47 GMT, HealthyU@cwo.com (JB) wrote:



>OK...I now have the cold that all others have..it seems like.

>Sacramento is one of the top 30 cities in the country on a cold/flu

>alert for the next 5 weeks.

>

>Ok..so I am taking mullein for the respiratory. Raw garlic..pickled.

>Echincea/goldenseal..not as much as the mullein..have you ever tasted

>that stuff????

>Water, aspirin and lots of blankets.

>

>Physician heal thyself??? What would others use? The worst part is I

>have school 5 days a week. My love has it too...HE gave it to me. [I

>*told* him he didn't have to share *everything!*] <g>

>

>Please reply to me as well as the newsgroup.  HealthyU@cwo.com the

>other is anti spam

>thanks







==========

Subject: Re: what else can I take/bronchitis/flu

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:34:46 -0500

--------

Firethorn@sonic.net wrote in message <34cb11f2.1184567@news.sonic.net>...

>Licorice would be a good idea.  Its a old fashoned expectorant.  I

>take 3 "00" capsules 3 times a day when im sick AND drink tea.  I have

>asthma and it seems to make a dent in bronchial problems.  Other than

>that  Echinacea is proven to work well, and im a big fan of really hot

>foods to clear things out.    :)





Licorice root is wonderful stuff, but you should always include the

appropriate warning that it is *not* for everyone, nor is it for long-term

use.  It increases sodium (salt) retention in the body and increases the

loss of potassium, and can result in fluid retention dangerous for anyone

with heart problems.  A healthy person taking it in the dose you describe

for a *short* period should have no problems, but that's a pretty strong

dose for long term use.



-RJO









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Subject: Re: Lemongrass: more seed sources

From: Gary Cooper <biggary@utdallas.edu>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:45:39 -0600

--------

In addition to those mentioned before, I've noticed that Park Seed offers

Cymbopogon citratus (lemon grass) plants, a 3 and one-half inch pot for

$8.95 or 2 or more for $7.95 each, with the comment "new" (new to Park's,

I think they mean;

and Seeds of Distinction offers seeds of the same species, 100 seeds for

$4.25 ($5.75 Canadian). Their catalog says, "Finally after 4 years we can

offer you Lemon Grass (Cymbopogon citratus). The seed was simply not

available until now."



Addresses:

Geo. W. Park Seed Co. Inc.

1 Parkton Ave.

Greenwood, SC 29647-0001

800-845-3369



Seeds of Distinction

P.O. Box 86, Station A

Etobicoke (Toronto), ON

CANADA, M9C 4V2

(416) 255-3060

fax: 1-888-327-9193

www.SEEDSofDISTINCTION.com

seeds@SEEDSofDISTINCTION.COM



If you use this info to grow lemon grass, invite me over for a bowl of

noodles, will you?



Gary







==========

Subject: ADD

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 24 Jan 1998 04:41:26 GMT

--------

I've read up on and have been told to give my kids Peanut Butter.  I give them

a small teaspoonful every morning with their breakfast before school.  It is

supposed to have a calming effect.  Their grades have improved, and their

teachers seem happier with them.  Mine don't have ADD, but are distracted

easily.  I hope this helps them to focus.



My husband was determined learning disabled when he was in primary school. 

They gave him a cup of coffee with his lunch.  This too seemed to help.



I am still looking for something to help me with my 3 year old.  It might be

just his age, but he is more active than the older two at that age combined.



Hope this helps, and I'd appreciate any other suggestions.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





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Subject: Re: ADD

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:36:10 GMT

--------



MDonthnier wrote in message

<19980124044100.XAA23747@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>I've read up on and have been told to give my kids Peanut Butter.  I give

them

>a small teaspoonful every morning with their breakfast before school.  It

is

>supposed to have a calming effect.  Their grades have improved, and their

>teachers seem happier with them.  Mine don't have ADD, but are distracted

>easily.  I hope this helps them to focus.[snip]

>

 This is interesting...  my mother absolutely swore by peanut butter

sandwiches (on good-quality wheat bread) and chocolate milk to get hyper

kids to settle down and/or take naps.  Both my aunt - her much younger

sister, who she took care of a lot - and my brother had behavior patterns

that we'd now probably call ADD.  It doesn't put my four-year-old to sleep,

but it definitely mellows him out... I'm figuring that chocolate milk has

small amounts of caffeine, and I've heard of the uses of coffee in

controlling ADD symptoms.  Anybody have any ideas about the effects this

particular combination would have?



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: ADD

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:15:15 -0500

--------

I wonder if Peanut butter oil contains any of the Essential Fatty Acids

that are contained in, for example, Evening Primrose oil?



When a child with a normal biochemic makeup eats foods containing

Essential Fatty Acids.... his body's biochemistry takes the EFA and

converts it to Protoglandins (Pg) and Prostocyclins. (Pc)... which are

essential for health.



However, a ADD/ADHD child's biochemistry is disfunctional in that the

Delta 6 Desaturase Enzyme resonsible for this conversion from EFA to Pg

and Pc

does not work due to the fact that it is very sensitive to, amongst

other things,  blood sugar balance.  Inadequate levels of Zn also

inhibit the functioning of this enzyme. 

 

What I'm getting at is that, Evening Primrose Oil contains a certain

percentage of a substance (alpha lenaic acid, I think) which bypasses

the Detla 6 Desaturase enszyme  - that is - the body does not need the

D6desat to take this substance and go on to form the required

Prostoglandins.....



Hence my question, does Peanut Oil contain, Evening Primrose Oil like

EFAs?



I am going off line and search the Web to see what I can find out.



If it turns out to be so.... then we have a scientific answer to your

collective observations.





==========

Subject: Tooth Problem

From: Grigsby Hart Wotton <ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500

--------

Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?



Thanks in advance,



Grigsby Wotton







==========

To: Grigsby Hart Wotton <ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU>

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: "V.R. Peterson" <vmp@bigfoot.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 04:39:54 -0800

--------

The Indians used to use cloves for tooth pain.  They'd just put a whole

clove where the pain was.  You can also use clove oil.  I found that at

my grocery store, but you could also probably find it at a pharmacy or

health food store.  I don't know if it will help with the bleeding, but

it should take care of the pain.  Good luck.  

-- 

****************

V.R. Peterson

vmp@bigfoot.com

****************



Grigsby Hart Wotton wrote:

> 

> Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

> soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

> as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

> little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

> 

> Thanks in advance,

> 

> Grigsby Wotton





==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 18:27:17 GMT

--------

On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500, Grigsby Hart Wotton

<ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:



>Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

>soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

>as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

>little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

>



Propolis works brilliantly well for bleeding gums and you don't need

to use it for very long. Just rub propolis tincture along the gum

margins two or three times a day.



-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: Firethorn@sonic.net

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:19:29 GMT

--------

First - go to a dentist and get their opinion.  A ounce of prevention

is worth a pound of cure.  Second - I use a salt water wash and it

seems to do wonders.  I also have used goldenseal and it seems to do

nicely.   Thought about getting one of those Brawn or oralB tooth

brushes?   Those make a HUGE difference.  Good luck.



  



On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500, Grigsby Hart Wotton

<ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:



>Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

>soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

>as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

>little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Grigsby Wotton

>







==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 22:31:33 GMT

--------

> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500, Grigsby Hart Wotton

> <ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:

> 

> >Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

> >soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

> >as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

> >little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

> >

> >Thanks in advance,

> >

> >Grigsby Wotton

> >



Nowadays I depend on tea tree oil for all kinds of problems in the mouth 

including colds, but I used to get great results with a mixture of myrrh 

and goldenseal root powders rubbed directly on the affected gums.  A 

friend of mine on the verge of surgery for a severe gum infection pulled 

through with this treatment.  I'd give it a try.



BTW,  be careful of this "J Martin" character.  His advice may or may not 

be of any value, but his goal is to suck you into his MLM and line his 

wallet.  He has ignored repeated requests to refrain from using the group 

in this way.



Good Luck,

Bruce



-- 

Sendai, Japan

to reply, replace "canspam" with "mango"





==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: "Ross Drewe" <rdrewe@nospam.com>

Date: 27 Jan 1998 17:13:01 GMT

--------

Bruce Boyd <jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp> wrote in article

<jyoti-2701980734170001@ppp2004.ifnet.or.jp>...

> > On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500, Grigsby Hart Wotton

> > <ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:

> > 

> > >Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience

chronic

> > >soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a

toothpick

> > >as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on

it with

> > >little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

> > >

> > >Thanks in advance,

> > >

> > >Grigsby Wotton

> > >

> 

> Nowadays I depend on tea tree oil for all kinds of problems in the

mouth 

> including colds, but I used to get great results with a mixture of

myrrh 

> and goldenseal root powders rubbed directly on the affected gums.  A 

> friend of mine on the verge of surgery for a severe gum infection

pulled 

> through with this treatment.  I'd give it a try.

> 

> BTW,  be careful of this "J Martin" character.  His advice may or may

not 

> be of any value, but his goal is to suck you into his MLM and line

his 

> wallet.  He has ignored repeated requests to refrain from using the

group 

> in this way.

> 

> Good Luck,

> Bruce





Go easy on the clove oil.  It IS capable of making the gum numb, hence

the number of people suggesting it to you.  It is also capable of

making the gum permanently anaesthetic - in which case you will have

further problems. Permanent anaesthesia of any part of the body usually

causes trouble - numb joints are destroyed by malaligned stresses, numb

skin is repeatedly injured and infected, etc. Clearly there is

something wrong with your gums. To use a neurotoxic oil to make the

diseased tissue numb is just sweeping the problem under the mat - well,

worse, as it damages the tissue defences on which any permanent cure

depends. Other essential oils such as ti-tree oil ('tea tree' is a

misnomer) are also quite toxic and should be avoided for the same

reason.  You may have something as common as periodontal disease, and

it may be fairly easy to fix with proper hygiene. You need to see the

dentist, & avoid the oils. If you have periodontal disease, there is a

phase when the gum bleeds on contact with cleaning, but you have to

persist all the same. This is not the same as poking at it. Your

dentist will advise.



Finally, note Bruce's warning - colloidal silver is probably harmless

but also ineffective. Anyone interested in the history of medicine can

read about this as one of the thousands of substances used to treat

infections before antibiotics were discovered. They either don't work

or they're too toxic, which was why antibiotics were revolutionary.



Ross Drewe







==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: cyli@visi.com (cyli)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:50:09 GMT

--------

First of all, digging at your gums with a toothpick isn't a great idea

as far as dentist's advice goes.



Second, maybe you shoud see your dentist again?  I've had a previous

root canal that simply didn't work long term and developed an abcess.

Which is requiring professiona attention.  The evidence of the problem

was pain and bleeding and pus at the gumline.  Failing that, I used a

tooth pain remedy called Kanka that's a mix of one of the 'caines and

castor oil and bunch of other gunk to remove the pain and found it

also stops the bleeding.





On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:30:34 -0500, Grigsby Hart Wotton

<ghw3y@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU> wrote:



>Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

>soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

>as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

>little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Grigsby Wotton

>



Nice guys finish last.



And women deeply appreciate that...



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: "Theresa Warner" <warner@accessin.com.au>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:37:06 +0800

--------

Leave sharp objects in the mouth to the dentist , they are trained to poke

about in your mouth . The best thing to use is clove oil , easily available

as it  is used for teething too . It tastes yuck but apply it with a cotton

tip and it will numb the area and is antiseptic too . Also Myrh and keep

using the tea tree.



--

Faerie1

twarner@ois.net.au

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5265/

Grigsby Hart Wotton wrote in message ...

>Around a tooth that had a root canal 4 years ago I experience chronic

>soreness in the gum.  It often bleeds when I work on it with a toothpick

>as if there was an infection.  I have been putting tea tree oil on it with

>little success. Can anyone suggest a remedy?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Grigsby Wotton

>









==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: laadedah@aol.com (LaaDeDah)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:05:11 GMT

--------

In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j2920e0fb@gratisnet.com>,

wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski) writes:



>As for clove oil being dangerous, it probably isn't intended for long

term

>use, but to get

through the night or to use until the original

>"root-canal-er" could

get you in to be seen... I

think that only the most

>sensitive of mouths wouldn't be able to take

it.



cheers,

WL Sakowski



I used it to make it through last weekend for a broken off/infected bottom rear

molar. Had an iteresting reaction, which I have never had/heard of and have

used it before many times with relief and no problems. Had an area of my face

and neck turn hot and bright red, including my right earlobe, across the jaw up

to the lip line and ended in the middle of my chin in a perfect line of

demarcation. I am guessing that it caused some sort of autonomic stimulation of

the nerve, and I was actually seeing the affected dermatome. It didnt help the

pain at that point, as a matter of fact it was worse during the several hours

it took to wear off. I switched to a benzocaine product which helped me some,

but not with the total relief I was getting until I had the strange reaction. I

would still be a proponant of using it, I am an ER nurse and have suggested it

to many people over the years and would continue to do so. I am just curious if

anyone has heard of this kind of reaction before, do you think it was just a

fluke or should I consider myself allergic to it and avoid it in the future?

Would appreciate your thoughts....

LauraA





==========

Subject: Re: Tooth Problem

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:44:22 -0500

--------



wl-ski wrote in message ...

>V.R., while I'm quite sure you will be forgiven for your advice,  I'm

>almost equally sure that you did no harm.

<big snip>

>As for clove oil being dangerous, it probably isn't intended for long

>term use, but to get

>through the night or to use until the original "root-canal-er" could

>get you in to be seen... I

>think that only the most sensitive of mouths wouldn't be able to take

>it.

>





I agree.  Dentists will tell you they're using eugenol, but the smell gives

it away - it's the principal component in clove oil, that's why it smells

like clove.  Short term use, until you can get to a dentist, is fine - in

fact, clove oil may have some mild antiseptic effects that could help with

minor gum problems.  But like many of the concentrated herb oils, long-term

use is definitely contra-indicated.  That is of course in part because it

can screen symptoms of a serious problem; the mild antiseptic effect will

not help if the infection is in the pulp of the tooth, or in the gum or

jawbone beneath.  Aside from that, clove oil, like many strong herb oils,

can possibly cause tissue breakdown from repeated applications over a period

of time, and can thus add to the problem.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Germany&hypericum

From: Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:59:08 -0800

--------

Re; Hypericum perforatum...



I heard that St. john's Wort is well used in Germany.  Do 

you buy it in the health food stores or is it only given 

as a prescription?  



Thank you, Kerry



-- 

rgrace@intergate.bc.ca





==========

Subject: Re: Germany&hypericum

From: "Brigitte Meister" <bmeister@metronet.de>

Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:27:56 GMT

--------

You might not believe it but it's true:

SJW is prescribed by MD's and naturopath either.But you can buy it in

pharmacies (in dosages that work) or in supermarkets (IMHO it's cheaper and

safer to buy in a pharmacie because of the dosage).

We don't have *health food stores* like in the US or Canada, but it's

starting now with selling *drugs* in supermarkets. They can only sell

*health supplementaries* which have lower dosages because of the German

Pharmaceutical Laws. You need to take more and therefore it's more

expensive.

Brigitte



Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> schrieb im Beitrag

<34C9832C.3EB3@intergate.bc.ca>...

> Re; Hypericum perforatum...

> 

> I heard that St. john's Wort is well used in Germany.  Do 

> you buy it in the health food stores or is it only given 

> as a prescription?  

> 

> Thank you, Kerry

> 

> -- 

> rgrace@intergate.bc.ca

> 





==========

Subject: General Tincture Method

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:41:18 GMT

--------

David <david@milton-keynes.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Can anyone say how to prepare avena sativa or green oats. Quantities and

>methodology?



Taking a teaspoon of the powder (in tea or just eat it) a couple times

per day would be a decent dose, but you could make an extract or

tincture.



This is from my web page, in the Recipes section:





==============  General Tincture Method ===============



Powdered herb(s)



Vegetable glycerin



Vodka



===================================================



Put finely powdered herb(s) in blender.  Cover with 2/3 vodka, 

1/3 vegetable glycerine mixture.  Blend for a few seconds, and 

put mixture in glass jar covered with cloth and rubber band.  

Let sit for 7 days in a warm place (80 deg F). Strain through 

cheesecloth, squeezing herbs well.  Wash off bolus with a bit 

of vodka to rinse and squeeze again, if desired.



This makes a cloudy but powerful tincture, usually strong 

enough to be considered an extract.  After straining, the 

mixture can be allowed to sit again for a few days to allow 

some of the powder to settle, poured off the top, and then 

strained through successively finer filters until desired 

clarity is attained.  



Filters that can be used in increasing order of effectiveness 

are as follows.  If there are volatile oil components in the 

herb(s), it is best to leave it cloudy and not strain through 

too much, which will absorb many of them.  



Cheesecloth

Fine cotton fabric (T-shirt material)

Gold plated permanent coffee filter

Paper coffee filter



Vegetable glycerin is sold at health food stores.  The

highest quality, lowest price product I have seen is made 

by Now Foods.  It is a sweet tasting, vegetable oil product.



This method produces a product which contains approx 20% 

alcohol, 20% water, 30% vegetable glycerin, and 30% herb 

compounds, if 80 proof vodka is used.  Some of the alcohol and 

water will evaporate when the jar is sitting in the warm spot, 

covered with cloth.  Since it contains oil, water, and alcohol, 

it is one of the most effective mixtures for extracting herbs 

(different components of herbs can be water, fat, or alcohol 

soluble). Vegetable glycerin is thick and will suspend many 

particles making filtering through fine filters difficult, but 

it is best to leave particles in it to increase the strength 

anyway.



To make an alcohol extract, use 100 proof vodka and no vegetable 

glycerine.  After initial straining, allow to sit in cloth- 

covered glass jar another 7 days or so until volume is 

decreased by 1/3.  To make the most powerful extract, use grain 

alcohol (Everclear or Goldengrain) and allow mixture to sit 

after initial straining to 1/2 or less initial volume.  Alcohol 

extracts can easily be filtered to get a clear product.  

Vegetable glycerin can be added to sweeten after desired 

clarity is reached.



To remove alcohol from tintures or extracts before consuming, 

the dose can be mixed in hot water and allowed to sit for 5 

minutes to evaporate it.  



Rum can be used instead of vodka and will result in a tincture 

or extract which tastes better, according to some.











==========

Subject: Re: General Tincture Method

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:53:51 -0500

--------

turf wrote in message <6ai1eb$foa@camel19.mindspring.com>...

>Put finely powdered herb(s) in blender.  Cover with 2/3 vodka,

>1/3 vegetable glycerine mixture.

<snip>

>This makes a cloudy but powerful tincture, usually strong

>enough to be considered an extract.

<snip>

>This method produces a product which contains approx 20%

>alcohol, 20% water, 30% vegetable glycerin, and 30% herb

>compounds, if 80 proof vodka is used.





Excuse me, but could you please explain to me how in the world you arrive at

the proportions for the final mixture of solvents and herb compounds, since

nowhere in the preparation do you describe any attempt to actually quantify

the proportions of herb to solvent?



-RJO













==========

Subject: Re: General Tincture Method

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:10:58 GMT

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>>This method produces a product which contains approx 20%

>>alcohol, 20% water, 30% vegetable glycerin, and 30% herb

>>compounds, if 80 proof vodka is used.



>Excuse me, but could you please explain to me how in the world you arrive at

>the proportions for the final mixture of solvents and herb compounds, since

>nowhere in the preparation do you describe any attempt to actually quantify

>the proportions of herb to solvent?



Just a guess based on my estimation of how much alcohol and water

evaporate. I assume that the amount of glycerine stays constant, and

that the amount left is herb components.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Looking to lose inhibitions???

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:53:45 GMT

--------

"Mike" <mike.us@undergroundsports.com> wrote:



>Looking for any herbs for someone to lose their inhibitions, have a couple

>of people who will perform on stage but are very frightened.



Best recommendation is practice.   The more confident the person

is at the task, the less nervous he will be.  Next is exposure 

to public performance in small groups.  Join Toastmasters or other

group devoted to public speaking.  



Next is psychological mindset.  Egotists who think they are

superior to others have the least problems since they can

"talk down" to audience.  



A couple of supplements may help.  First would be ensuring

100% RDA or so magnesium and calcium. Get a good chelated

combination (like Country Life Calcium Magnesium Potassium) 

and take at night (can take anytime, but magnesium (esp non-

chelated forms) may cause increased elimination).  There

are a number of herb supplements like Herbal Calm (passion flower,

hops, valerian, ...) that may help those who are hyperactive, but 

these may cause drowsiness.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Looking to lose inhibitions???

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:56:09 -0500

--------

Mike wrote in message <01bd29b5$f4e96dc0$b30dadce@crc3.concentric.net>...

>Looking for any herbs for someone to lose their inhibitions, have a couple

>of people who will perform on stage but are very frightened.

>--





Have you considered hypnotherapy?  Check your phone book - I've known a few

people who really were helped with similar problems.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Herbs, Scented Geraniums, Unusual and Curious Plants

From: "L. Nee" <turnleaf@cybertours.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:58:15 -0400

--------

Hello from Turnleaf Herb Farm in Maine. We specialize in growing herbs,

scented geraniums and other unusual and curious plants. Our web has

recently been updated with the start of our collection for 1998! Please

visit us for a 1998 preview of our collection!

http://www.angelfire.com/me/turnleaf



We would be very happy to send you a free catalog of our plant

collection if you would e-mail us with your name and address. State

regulations prohibit us from shipping to California, but if you would

like a copy of our catalog to ship to friends, please tell us.  If you

have any herb "growing" questions, please let us know and we would be

happy to help. Good luck with your herb garden in 1998, I know it will

be great!  And, don't forget to let us know you would like to receive

our catalog, free, of course.





==========

Subject: Yohimbe Info Needed

From: Jim Gallagher <jgallagher@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:42:22 -0600

--------

Anyone out there using this stuff?  I'm interested in its effectiveness

and dosing information.  Also are there any contraindications?  Thanks.



Jim



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==========

Subject: Re: Yohimbe Info Needed

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:25:58 -0600

--------

Jim Gallagher wrote:

> 

> Anyone out there using this stuff?  I'm interested in its 

> effectiveness and dosing information.  Also are there any 

> contraindications?  Thanks.

> 

> Jim



Contraindications:  mixing with alcohol.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Yohimbe Info Needed

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:14:42 GMT

--------

--

On  Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:42:22 -0600,  Jim Gallagher <jgallagher@sprintmail.com> wrote ...

 > Anyone out there using this stuff?  I'm interested in its effectiveness

 > and dosing information.  Also are there any contraindications?  Thanks.

 > 

 > Jim

 > 

 > --

Yohimbe is a potent alpha2-adrenergic blocker which causes the release of 

norepinephrine.  This means it effect the blood vessels that have certain

receptors on them resulting in changes in blood flow to certain areas.

Patients with kidney disease should NOT take yohimbe.  This can also effect

moods and is not recommended to be take with other medication/herbs that

can effect mood (i.e. antidepressants, St.John's Wort, etc.)

Doses of 20 mg to 30 mg may increase heart rate and blood pressure.

Look for stadardized products.  I remember reading about the poor quality

of some herbal products where the actual dose ranged from around almost no

yohimbe up to about a 10 to 15 time over dose!!! Be Careful.

Don't know any personal stories of use though.



Pete





==========

Subject: Neem Seeds available

From: sssaivam@mbox4.singnet.com.sg (Rethinam Sabapathy)

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:47:27 GMT

--------

Neem seeds available. US$15 for 100 seeds.

Email for info.



Sabapathy







==========

Subject: Re: Neem Seeds available

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 11:06:29 GMT

--------

abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



>>Neem seeds available. US$15 for 100 seeds.

>Are they approved for import by the USDA?



Surely.  As long as they are fumigated.



>What climate do they grow in?



India's ;).  Tropical forests.  Will not

withstand any freezing temps.  Another consideration is

that seeds are only viable for 30 days after

harvest and must be planted immediately.



Although I have considered growing neem as a 

houseplant in the past since its products were

so hard to find, there are now available in many herb

shops neem leaf capsules and tea.  Oil is still

hard to find, but I have found a couple of mailorder 

sources by doing a websearch on "neem".  Oil

can be used like tea tree oil and is less irritating

and more healing to the skin.



Neem leaf is excellent antibacterial and antiparasitic,

and good antiviral antifungal.  Also excellent insecticide

for plant spray and appears to work systemically.



turf







==========

Subject: Feverfew

From: "larry.plott" <larry.plott@MCI2000.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:16:13 GMT

--------

Does anyone know anything about feverfew for treatment of migraines?





==========

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 24 Jan 1998 17:15:01 -0700

--------

"larry.plott" <larry.plott@MCI2000.com> wrote:



>Does anyone know anything about feverfew for treatment of migraines?

It works for some people, doesn't work for others.  If you have

low blood pressure, be cautious.  It can lower blood pressure so

far you pass out.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:28:18 GMT

--------

--

On  Sat, 24 Jan 1998 22:16:13 GMT,  "larry.plott" <larry.plott@MCI2000.com> wrote ...

 > Does anyone know anything about feverfew for treatment of migraines?

--

Fever few (Tanacetum parthenium) is a member of the aster family.  Use with

caution in people allergic to ragweed (Abrosia sp.)  and other daisy plants.

It works for some people and not others.  Dosages range form 60 mg to 380 mg 

per day.  Usually taken daily, but you can split the dose and take twice a day.

Look for standardized products with no less than 0.2% parthenolide.  Start with

a low dose to see how it effects you.  May upset the stomach at higher dosages.

Many people have had good luck beating migraines with fever few when taken

consistantly.  Caution:  Do NOT take if pregnant, slight chance for miscarriage.

Nursing mothers should NOT take as it may be passed to the infant through breast

milk.



Pete





==========

Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:34:29 GMT

--------

> Caution:  Do NOT take if pregnant, slight chance for miscarriage.

>Nursing mothers should NOT take as it may be passed to the infant through

>breast

>milk.



Actually, this is one mom who took it when preggers and nursing my last two

kids.  I don't have migraines and I don't like to take OTC meds.  I even told

my OB/GYN what I was taking and he had no problem with it.  I get some pretty

tough headaches from time to time, sometimes sinus, sometimes computer screen. 

Anyway, they work for me.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





==========

Subject: Prednisolone

From: "Scott Lee" <MyBusiness@none0fyours.com>

Date: 24 Jan 1998 23:08:23 GMT

--------

I have a puppy that is suffering from a skin problem.  We have had success

with prednisolone but for obvius reason cannot see this as a long term

solution.  Stop the prednisolone and the problem comes back.



Any thoughts?



I am already considering the following herbs internally:



Curcuma Root

Licorice Root

Ginger Root

Korean Ginseng



Any help would be appreciated.



Scott Lee





==========

Subject: Re: Prednisolone

From: Firethorn@sonic.net

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:14:37 GMT

--------

Well what kind of skin problem?  Eczema in dogs responds well to

Evening primrose oil (orally).  Anything with GLA in it.  Also dont be

afraid to use a conditioner or lotion on your dogs coat.  I really

like sulfadine lotion for hot spots.  I also ripped out my carpet and

havent had a flea in like 15 years.  Oh and I would aviod the ginger -

makes you sweat and makes your skin hot.  Not too comfortable when

your skin is irritated.  :)







On 24 Jan 1998 23:08:23 GMT, "Scott Lee" <MyBusiness@none0fyours.com>

wrote:



>I have a puppy that is suffering from a skin problem.  We have had success

>with prednisolone but for obvius reason cannot see this as a long term

>solution.  Stop the prednisolone and the problem comes back.

>

>Any thoughts?

>

>I am already considering the following herbs internally:

>

>Curcuma Root

>Licorice Root

>Ginger Root

>Korean Ginseng

>

>Any help would be appreciated.

>

>Scott Lee







==========

Subject: Re: Prednisolone

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 25 Jan 1998 13:33:06 GMT

--------

--

On  24 Jan 1998 23:08:23 GMT,  "Scott Lee" <MyBusiness@none0fyours.com> wrote ...

 > I have a puppy that is suffering from a skin problem.  We have had success

 > with prednisolone but for obvius reason cannot see this as a long term

 > solution.  Stop the prednisolone and the problem comes back.

 > 

 > Any thoughts?

 > 

 > I am already considering the following herbs internally:

 > 

 > Curcuma Root

 > Licorice Root

 > Ginger Root

 > Korean Ginseng

 > 

 > Any help would be appreciated.

 > 

 > Scott Lee

--

Have you tried fish oils or dog foods with fish in them.  It sometimes helps with

dry flaky skin.  It possibly an allergic reactoin to something (pest collar, additive 

in dog food, etc.)  May want to change the dog food your using.  Some people have 

allergis to wheat, corn or other grains commonly used as fillers in many products.

"Skin Problems" is a little general description.



Pete

plundy3@hotmail.com





==========

Subject: Re: Prednisolone

From: Grizabella@jelliclecats.com<bella>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:53:20 GMT

--------

On 24 Jan 1998 23:08:23 GMT, "Scott Lee" <MyBusiness@none0fyours.com>

wrote:



>I have a puppy that is suffering from a skin problem.  We have had success

>with prednisolone but for obvius reason cannot see this as a long term

>solution.  Stop the prednisolone and the problem comes back.



My dalmatian is 9 and has had skin problems all her life.  She went

through the shots as a pup, and I still think it had something to do

with her liver problems today!  

I've found diet has a lot to do with her problems....she eats Eukenuba

Natural Lamb and Rice and the problems clear up.  I've tried weaning

her back to less expensive stuff, but the skin problems reoccur.  

Hope you find some relief for your pup!!

 

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott









==========

Subject: Sammy Kennedy

From: "Robert Blumquist" <RobBlum@datastar.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 19:28:34 -0500

--------

Has anyone ever heard of this Sammy Kennedy person and a company called

Whole Health Connection?



I heard mixed stories about her. A friend I met in one of the newsgroups

told me that this Sammy person was a little bit less than honest. But I've

also heard some good stuff about her. Does anybody know for sure?



I just want to know if this person is trustworthy before I give her access

to my credit card information. You can never be to safe.









==========

Subject: Re: Sammy Kennedy

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 01:51:01 -0700

--------

"Robert Blumquist" <RobBlum@datastar.net> wrote:



>Has anyone ever heard of this Sammy Kennedy person and a company called

>Whole Health Connection?



>I just want to know if this person is trustworthy before I give her access

>to my credit card information. You can never be to safe.



So: you are asking total strangers about trusting your credit

card info to another stranger?

If you have any doubt about her, don't do it!

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: ADD follow up

From: DAVIDSCHNIDER@webtv.net (DAVID SCHNIDER)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 01:27:03 -0500

--------

As it turns out, walnuts contain Omega 3 Essential Fatty Acids  (EFAs).

These EFAs are similar to those found in Salmon Oil and not Evening

Primrose Oil, which contains the Omega 6 EFA.  While walnuts are not

peanuts, their oils are likely to have similar properties.



So, in principle, my earlier hypothosis is right on the money!



Melotone is a product that combines both Evening Prirmrose Oil and

Salmon Oil in the ratio 2:1 for best results.  These two EFAs will allow

the body to bypass the D-6-D enzyme and produce Protoglandins types 1

and 2 and Prostocyclin  3.  Vits B6, Zn and Mg are included to improve

the absorbtion and bioavailability of the EFAs.



Vit C, Sulphur, Ca and Mg helps with the allergy problem while the Vits

B: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 12 assist with neural function.  Cromium and Vanadium

assist with normalising the blood sugar balance.



This combination helps to "fix" the ADD/ADHD child's biochemistry and

the resultant improvement follows. 



If you would like to know more, drop me a line and I'll be glad to help.



David





==========

Subject: Avena sativa

From: David <david@milton-keynes.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:02:45 +0000

--------

Can anyone say how to prepare avena sativa or green oats. Quantities and

methodology?



Commercial preps are very expensive, but it sounds interesting.



Reply by e-mail would be appreciated



Thanks



david







==========

Subject: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: "Mike" <mike.us@undergroundsports.com>

Date: 25 Jan 1998 16:18:17 GMT

--------

Looking for any herbs that make you lose your inhibitions, have a couple of

competitors that are very nervous about being on stage.



Thanks

-- 

Mike Rocheleau

Underground Sports & Fitness Inc

60 Rochester Hill Road #4

Rochester NH 03867

http://www.undergroundsports.com





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 17:21:00 GMT

--------

Mike (mike.us@undergroundsports.com) wrote:

:Looking for any herbs that make you lose your inhibitions, have a couple of

:competitors that are very nervous about being on stage.

:



Kava Kava. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 11:29:00 -0700

--------

"Mike" <mike.us@undergroundsports.com> wrote:



>Looking for any herbs that make you lose your inhibitions, have a couple of

>competitors that are very nervous about being on stage.

   It will hardly turn them into wild and crazy persons, but a

cup of Linden (Tilia europaea) tea about an hour before will calm

the jitters.  Several pre-mixed brands have quite a bit of linden

- look for stress-reducers and then read the labels.

  Valerian (as a capsule, because Valerian tea smells as if it

were made from old sweatsocks) might also do it.  A couple of

capsules about an hout before.



  One key: whether you go for the tea of the capsules, you must

tell the competitor "This will calm you down."  "Your nerves will

vanish."  If you aren't positive about thee results, they will

get far less benefit.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: ross @-sign together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 19:09:15 GMT

--------

Fermented grapes or grain. ;-)



In article <01bd29b5$b1abfd20$b30dadce@crc3.concentric.net>, "Mike" 

<mike.us@undergroundsports.com> wrote:

>Looking for any herbs that make you lose your inhibitions, have a couple of

>competitors that are very nervous about being on stage.

>

>Thanks

>-- 

>Mike Rocheleau

>Underground Sports & Fitness Inc

>60 Rochester Hill Road #4

>Rochester NH 03867

>http://www.undergroundsports.com





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: "Keith & LInda Lager" <mcherb@ptd.net>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 00:35:08 GMT

--------

Mike,

A good choice might Kava Kava Herb or St Johns Wort.2or3 caps of Kava

should do it.You may have to experiment till you find the amount that works

best for you.I read a story about a guy that drank 10 cups of Kava tea and

was pulled over for D.U.I.,so like i said you have to see how much you need

to get the effect you want.St Johns Wort works in a differnt way.It takes

about 3to4 weeks to kick in.There are a lot of studies being done on it,and

they are using it in some cases to replace prozac.If you need any more info

please mail us at mcherb@ptd.net    We sell herbs and vitamins etc. Mauch

Chunk Herb Co.604 South Ave.Jim Thorpe,Pa.18229 1 717 325 4324



Mike <mike.us@undergroundsports.com> wrote in article

<01bd29b5$b1abfd20$b30dadce@crc3.concentric.net>...

> Looking for any herbs that make you lose your inhibitions, have a couple

of

> competitors that are very nervous about being on stage.

> 

> Thanks

> -- 

> Mike Rocheleau

> Underground Sports & Fitness Inc

> 60 Rochester Hill Road #4

> Rochester NH 03867

> http://www.undergroundsports.com

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for herbs to lose inhibitions

From: luke <lchadw1@uic.edu>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:22:33 -0600

--------

Valerian root extract works extremely well to calm the nerves.  But

don't take it for the first time just before a big show, you must

experiment with dosages first.  A few to ten or 15 drops in a few oz. of

water will calm the nerves and 10 to 30 drops acts as a sedative.





==========

Subject: ear infections

From: Jane McCloskey <jmccl@media4.hypernet.com>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:11:38 -0400

--------

I second ear infections as a result of allergy, usually to cows milk.  

Doris Rapp, MD, alternate childrens doctor, says ear infections can 

usually be cleared by avoiding milk and dairy.  Read Is This Your 

Child for further info.  Jane





==========

Subject: Re: ear infections

From: katyoday@aol.com (KATYODAY)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 13:40:32 GMT

--------

In article <34CB9C7A.14C9@media4.hypernet.com>, Jane McCloskey

<jmccl@media4.hypernet.com> writes:



>I second

>ear infections as a result of allergy, usually to cows milk.  

Doris Rapp,

>MD, alternate childrens doctor, says ear infections can 

usually be cleared

>by avoiding milk and dairy.  Read Is This Your 

Child for further info.

>Jane>>



I disagree.  My sources and experience say that ear infections are usually from

cigarette or woodsmoke exposure (usually the former) and/or natural gas/propane

exposure.  Smoke is usually the culprit for respiratory problems also.  In

almost every instance, when these are eliminated from the environment, these

problems become virtually non-existent.



I asked a doctor once why he did not advise parents of the foregoing.  He

shrugged and said, "Because they don't want to hear it, and won't do anything

about it.  Why alienate them?"



Everyone is always anxious to lump all "dairy products" into one big

assumption.  There is a vast difference between raw milk and

pasteurized/homogenized milk, and between cow and goat milk.  You really cannot

generalize from one to the other.  Raw and/or goat milk does not carry the

baggage that pasteurized/homogenized and/or cow milk does.  It is theorized

that 60% of the world's population is allergic to cow's milk.  Also, ALL

traditional medical research that has been done involving dairy products has

used pasteurized/homogenized cow's milk.



Celebrate!

KatyRose





==========

Subject: Re: ear infections

From: vlhill@airmail.net (Vicki Hill)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:00:45 GMT

--------

On 26 Jan 1998 13:40:32 GMT, katyoday@aol.com (KATYODAY) wrote:



>I disagree.  My sources and experience say that ear infections are usually from

>cigarette or woodsmoke exposure (usually the former) and/or natural gas/propane

>exposure.  Smoke is usually the culprit for respiratory problems also.  In

>almost every instance, when these are eliminated from the environment, these

>problems become virtually non-existent.



No one has yet found a single reason that explains all of the ear

infections. My 10 yo is VERY prone to them and has been since birth;

he has a proven weak immune system. No one in our family nor among our

friends smokes, we have NEVER used the fireplace in our house; our

kitchen is all electric. He also has been tested and found not to have

a milk allergy (as well as testing negative for a lot of other

allergens - simply haven't tested positive for allergies to anything

yet). Oh, well.



Vicki H.





==========

Subject: Re: ear infections

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:21:58 GMT

--------

>I disagree.  My sources and experience say that ear infections are usually

>from

>cigarette or woodsmoke exposure (usually the former) and/or natural

>gas/propane

>exposure.  Smoke is usually the culprit for respiratory problems also. 



As a P.S. to my last post, my daughter has never been exposed to a smoker,

woodsmoke, gas or propane.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





==========

Subject: Re: ear infections

From: mdonthnier@aol.com (MDonthnier)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:19:31 GMT

--------

>I second ear infections as a result of allergy, usually to cows milk.  

>Doris Rapp, MD, alternate childrens doctor, says ear infections can 

>usually be cleared by avoiding milk and dairy.  Read Is This Your 

>Child for further info.  Jane



Anything else?



My 7 mos. old drinks only soy-based formula (I nursed her prior to this 'til

she was 5 mos.) and she seems to have an on-going ear infection at the moment. 

Her last one and this one have gone on for six (6) weeks or better.



Mary Donthnier - mom, secretary & business owner                       UR

Image/Tupperware

mdonthnier@aol.com                                                             

        Computer & Plastic

West Alexandria, Ohio



Peace to You!  John 20:19





==========

Subject: Tinnea Versacolor

From: holly3hawk@aol.com (Holly3hawk)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 20:41:56 GMT

--------

Hello,

I'm looking for an herbal cure for Tinnea versicolor (skin fungus?).

Is there something I can take internally as well as externally. 

Thank you





==========

Subject: Re: Tinnea Versacolor

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:33:38 GMT

--------

--

On  25 Jan 1998 20:41:56 GMT,  holly3hawk@aol.com (Holly3hawk) wrote ...

 > Hello,

 > I'm looking for an herbal cure for Tinnea versicolor (skin fungus?).

 > Is there something I can take internally as well as externally. 

 > Thank you

--

Fungal infection are had to treat period.  With either prescription or 

herbal medicine.  Internally I would look for herbs that boost the 

immune system i.e. echinacea, garlic, mitaki, shitaki, etc.  I think you'll

get better luck with topical application.  Grind garlic and apply directly

to affected area three times daily.  Tee tree oil can be applied directly,

or diluted in half with vegetable oil if the oil irritates the skin. 

NEVER take Tea Tree Oil internally, it can be fatal.  It may take weeks to

go away, but you should see a decline in a few days.



Pete 





==========

Subject: What is "fucus vesiculosus"?

From: "news" <news@erie.net>

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 19:35:09 -0500

--------

Does anyone know the common name for this herb?









==========

Subject: Re: What is "fucus vesiculosus"?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 25 Jan 1998 18:53:00 -0700

--------

"news" <news@erie.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know the common name for this herb?

>

It's a seaweed, commonly called "bladder-wrack" or

"bladder-kelp".  It's in the group generally called "kelp" - the

long-stranded ones that live anchored to the bottom



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Dry skin

From: tunney@worldchat.com (Rene Tunney)

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 08:36:23 -0500

--------

Flax seed oil taken internally has really made a great difference in our 

skin.  For the past several winters we have had no dry skin problems.  

Its available in capsuls or as oil.  We've used capsuls but prefer the 

following drink - I put about two teaspoons of flax seed oil in with l 

cup of vanilla soya milk, 2 bananas, 2 teaspoons aloe vera juice, 1 

teaspoon of ginsing and 2 tablespoons of debittered brewers yeast - 

blend on high for about 40 seconds (we have a Vita Mix blender).  

Sometimes I add 1/2 cup of plain low fat yogurt.  It makes a really nice 

frothy drink.





==========

Subject: MaHuang & Guarana Side Effects

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:22:37 -0600

--------

Are there any side effects to MaHuang & Guarana??



Thanks.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com







==========

Subject: Re: MaHuang & Guarana Side Effects

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:45:09 GMT

--------

--

On  Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:22:37 -0600,  "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com> wrote ...

 > Are there any side effects to MaHuang & Guarana??

 > 

 > Thanks.

 > 

 > --=20

 > - Max

 > maxwood@mindspring.com

 > 

--

Ma Huang (Ephedra sp.) contain alkaloid similar to Sudafed a decongestant.  

can cause hypertension, nervousness, insomnia, palpatations  and can be fatal if

abused.  If used with caffenated beverages, another stimulant, it can compound

the effects.



Guarana (Paullinia cupana) cotains 2.5 to 5% caffeine, a CNS stimulant.  Which

can cause similar problems, hypertension, nervousness, insomnia and palpatations.



If you have any heart problems or asthma be sure to discuss use with a physician

or pharmacist as these two herbs can exacerbate side effects from medication

used to treat these conditions.



Pete





==========

Subject: Re: MaHuang & Guarana Side Effects

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:45:24 GMT

--------



Max A. Wood wrote in message <6ai9ch$vt4@camel19.mindspring.com>...

Are there any side effects to MaHuang & Guarana??

Thanks.

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com





Hi Max,



I cannot take either one of them.   Guarana is simply strong caffeine.  The

Ma Huang is a very strong stimulant but it works differently.   I have a

friend who took one capsule and thought he was literally going to die.   It

is a very dangerous drug and should be taken in tincture only so that one

can adjust the amount better.  (IMHO only)



Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: MaHuang & Guarana Side Effects

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:32:10 -0600

--------

Pete & Evelyn,



Thanks for the reply.  Actually, I have a reaction that seems very strange -- a dull pain in the pelvic area.  I take it as a product called Diet Fuel (GNC) that has a couple of other ingredients, but I believe these to be the main ingredients.  I only take it a couple or three times a week prior to working out.  I have been doing so for about six months and just within the last month or so I have been able to make the connection to the pain and Diet Fuel.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com

Max A. Wood wrote in message <6ai9ch$vt4@camel19.mindspring.com>...

Are there any side effects to MaHuang & Guarana??



Thanks.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com









==========

Subject: Re: MaHuang & Guarana Side Effects

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 19:23:00 -0700

--------

"Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com> wrote:



>Thanks for the reply.  Actually, I have a reaction that seems very strange -- a dull pain in the pelvic area.  I take it as a product called Diet Fuel (GNC) that has a couple of other ingredients, but I believe these to be the main ingredients.  I only take it a couple or three times a week prior to working out.  I have been doing so for about six months and just within the last month or so I have been able to make the connection to the pain and Diet Fuel.



That doesn't sound like either guarana or ma huang ... it might

be one of the other ingredients.  

If it hurts after you take it, stop taking it and see if the pain

goes away.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: What's A Good Herbal Web Site?

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:23:26 -0600

--------

Any suggestions on a good herbal web site??



Thanks.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com







==========

Subject: Re: What's A Good Herbal Web Site?

From: Pete Lundy <plundy3@hotmail.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 21:48:39 GMT

--------

--

On  Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:23:26 -0600,  "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com> wrote ...

 > Any suggestions on a good herbal web site??

 > 

 > Thanks.

 > 

 > --=20

 > - Max

 > maxwood@mindspring.com

 > 

--

www.algy.com

www.herbalgram.com



Pete





==========

Subject: Seeking Hospitals using Aromatherapy/Herbs

From: Bruce Loving <bruce_loving@uncg.edu>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:28:31 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of a hospital near them (in USA) which is currently

using

Herbs/Aromatherapy?







==========

Subject: Combining Herbs

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:43:19 GMT

--------

Can any harm come from taking several (many) herbs at the same time?  If so,

which herbs should NOT be taken together?





==========

Subject: Re: Combining Herbs

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:48:12 -0500

--------

Cnsjjc wrote in message <19980126184301.NAA25693@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>Can any harm come from taking several (many) herbs at the same time?  If

so,

>which herbs should NOT be taken together?



One of my books on Chinese herbal medicine devotes an entire *chapter* to

which herbs should not be used together.  ;-)



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Combining Herbs

From: "Brigitte Meister" <bmeister@metronet.de>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 13:44:09 GMT

--------

Can you please give the title of the book?

Thanks

Brigitte



Richard J. Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> schrieb im Beitrag

<6alo5n$l3q@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

> Cnsjjc wrote in message

<19980126184301.NAA25693@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> >Can any harm come from taking several (many) herbs at the same time?  If

> so,

> >which herbs should NOT be taken together?

> 

> One of my books on Chinese herbal medicine devotes an entire *chapter* to

> which herbs should not be used together.  ;-)

> 

> -RJO

> 

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Migraine Headaches

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 26 Jan 1998 18:49:02 GMT

--------

What herbs can be used to  treat severe migraine headaches?

... Joe Constable

    cnsjjc@aol.com





==========

To: Cnsjjc <cnsjjc@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Migraine Headaches

From: Phoenix <phoenix@dialnet.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:02:44 -0600

--------

Hi!

I have had great results with Feverfew for migraines, cluster and

tension headaches.

Hope that helps :)



Cnsjjc wrote:



> What herbs can be used to  treat severe migraine headaches?

> ... Joe Constable

>     cnsjjc@aol.com











==========

Subject: Re: Migraine Headaches

From: Deb Skinner <deb@mtjeff.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:01:42 -0800

--------

Lee wrote:



> On 27 Jan 1998 02:07:53 GMT, eda4blifes@aol.com (EDA4BLIFES) wrote:

>

> -=>>What herbs can be used to  treat severe migraine headaches?

> -=>>... Joe Constable

> -=>>    cnsjjc@aol.com

> -=> Hi, Joe

> -=>I have some great news. Since I had excellent results myself on these products,

> -=>I started doing the business, and in the last three months I had already two

> -=>customers with migraines (real bad ones!!). Anyway, I put them on the product,

> -=>and within days they started feeling much-much better. Opal, for instance, was

> -=>a regular at the urgent care where my wife works: twice a week for migraine

> -=>shots. Now after 3 months she doesn't need to go to the urgent care no more,

> -=>her body is almost clean, the herbal based cellular nutrition worked great and

> -=>she also lost over 65 pounds!!!

> -=>If you'd like to talk to me or to Opal or if you're really interested in  these

> -=>herbal products, please let me know, Eddie

>

> You have no idea as to the cause of his headaches yet you are there

> with the cure AND it helps you lose weight!  Unbelieveable!

>

> Victoria "Lee"

> haxton@scican.net



I hope that Opal's headache wasn't a warning sign for something very bad happening in

her body.  I'm also concerned about her losing 65 lbs in just 3 months.  It seems

rather rapid to me.  I would feel inclined to seek out a medical professional if this

were happening to me.



Please treat herbs with respect.  They can be very powerful.  We probably wouldn't

bother with them if they weren't.



Deb





--

******

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com   or   debra@teleport.com  or   deb@spoonman.com

If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different set of challenges.









==========

Subject: hypotension = fainting HELP!!!

From: RhiannonWitch@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:31:41 -0500

--------

Hi everyone, 

                     I have been suspected of having symtomatic

orthostatic tachcardia.  What that basically means is that when I stand

up, my heart will go from a resting rate of 70 to about 130-140 and my

blood pressure will drop suddenly making me faint.  

My Doctor intends to put me on a beta-blocking drug, to counteract the

powerful heart contractions I get.  I intend to take his advise and

intructions, But I was wondering if any one has ever had this or treated

a condition like this herbally,

                Rhiannon

         

                      





==========

Subject: Re: hypotension = fainting HELP!!!

From: "Susan" <sdoweluv@eznet.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:46:41 -0500

--------

I have it to a lesser degree, but Dr. didn't suggest anything.  On the other

hand, I got rid of caffeine in my life and I don't have the problem anymore.



Susan



RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote in message

<6airrd$rns$1@newsd-124.bryant.webtv.net>...

Hi everyone,

                     I have been suspected of having symtomatic

orthostatic tachcardia.  What that basically means is that when I stand

up, my heart will go from a resting rate of 70 to about 130-140 and my

blood pressure will drop suddenly making me faint.

My Doctor intends to put me on a beta-blocking drug, to counteract the

powerful heart contractions I get.  I intend to take his advise and

intructions, But I was wondering if any one has ever had this or treated

a condition like this herbally,

                Rhiannon













==========

Subject: Gingko safety

From: Edward E Lilley <el14+@andrew.cmu.edu>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:19:28 -0500

--------

Hi,  I am new at this but have found a source for gingko leaves at our

local food co-op in the herb and tea bulk section...and know nothing

about how one would use gingko in this form...how much..how often..etc.

Would love to hear from anyone who knows more or could point me towards

a source of info.   Thank you   Ed Lilley 





==========

Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 00:49:29 GMT

--------

Edward E Lilley <el14+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:



>Hi,  I am new at this but have found a source for gingko leaves at our

>local food co-op in the herb and tea bulk section...and know nothing

>about how one would use gingko in this form...how much..how often..etc.

>Would love to hear from anyone who knows more or could point me towards

>a source of info.  



Pick up some of the herb books in the shop and look in the index.



Gingko is typically taken in 50:1 extract form, and you have

to eat a lot of leaves to equal the amount in a typical daily dosage

of 120mg extract:  120x50=6000mg or 6g, which is 1.5t of fine

powder, or 2T or so loose leaves.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 03:23:30 GMT

--------

turf (turf@mindspring.com) wrote:

:Edward E Lilley <el14+@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:

:

:>Hi,  I am new at this but have found a source for gingko leaves at our

:>local food co-op in the herb and tea bulk section...and know nothing

:>about how one would use gingko in this form...how much..how often..etc.

:>Would love to hear from anyone who knows more or could point me towards

:>a source of info.  

:

:Pick up some of the herb books in the shop and look in the index.

:

:Gingko is typically taken in 50:1 extract form, and you have

:to eat a lot of leaves to equal the amount in a typical daily dosage

:of 120mg extract:  120x50=6000mg or 6g, which is 1.5t of fine

:powder, or 2T or so loose leaves.

:

:turf

:



Your calculations are *way* off:



I buy fine powdered Ginkgo at my local store, and use about a half-teaspoon

three times a day. I've tried different batches of the stuff over the last few

years, and have found slight variations in strength, but nothing to get all

worked-up about.  Taking more than a half-teaspoon and I *do* get worked-up,

as it's too much for my liking, as it makes me hyper. 



Having used plenty of standardized Ginkgo before, of many different brands, I

can honestly say that the effects of this half-teaspoon is roughly the same as

a 60mg standardized extract cap or pill, and a *lot* cheaper. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







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Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:00:32 GMT

--------

nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:



>:to eat a lot of leaves to equal the amount in a typical daily dosage

>:of 120mg extract:  120x50=6000mg or 6g, which is 1.5t of fine

>:powder, or 2T or so loose leaves.



>Your calculations are *way* off:



>I buy fine powdered Ginkgo at my local store, and use about a half-teaspoon

>three times a day. 



In other words, a daily dose of 1.5t of fine powder.  Way off.



turf







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Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:29:07 GMT

--------

turf (turf@mindspring.com) wrote:

:nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:

:

:>:to eat a lot of leaves to equal the amount in a typical daily dosage

:>:of 120mg extract:  120x50=6000mg or 6g, which is 1.5t of fine

:>:powder, or 2T or so loose leaves.

:

:>Your calculations are *way* off:

:

:>I buy fine powdered Ginkgo at my local store, and use about a half-teaspoon

:>three times a day. 

:

:In other words, a daily dose of 1.5t of fine powder.  Way off.

:

:turf

:



Ahh, I thought you spoke of *tons*.  There was someone in this newsgroup about

6 months ago who mentioned that you needed a *ton* of powder to get any

effect.



I take it then that T. means tablespoon, and t. teaspoon.  Not being much of a

cook, I didn't know that.



Of course had you actually *taken* some ginkgo, you would have had the energy

to write 'teaspoon'.  Okay okay - I admit it - twas my fault. :) Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 29 Jan 1998 17:57:16 GMT

--------

Richard J. Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

:turf wrote in message <6am13b$spe@camel20.mindspring.com>...

:>nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:

:>

:>>:to eat a lot of leaves to equal the amount in a typical daily dosage

:>>:of 120mg extract:  120x50=6000mg or 6g, which is 1.5t of fine

:>>:powder, or 2T or so loose leaves.

:>

:>>Your calculations are *way* off:

:>

:>>I buy fine powdered Ginkgo at my local store, and use about a

:half-teaspoon

:>>three times a day.

:>

:>In other words, a daily dose of 1.5t of fine powder.  Way off.

:>

:>turf

:>

:

:LOL!  Well, I really shouldn't laugh, I've made similar foot-in-mouth

:mistakes.  Maybe just a little snicker.

:

:-RJO

:

:

:



I must say though, I'm one of the lucky ones: I wash my feet daily. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Gingko safety

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 03:25:10 GMT

--------

Edward E Lilley (el14+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:

:Hi,  I am new at this but have found a source for gingko leaves at our

:local food co-op in the herb and tea bulk section...and know nothing

:about how one would use gingko in this form...how much..how often..etc.

:Would love to hear from anyone who knows more or could point me towards

:a source of info.   Thank you   Ed Lilley 



Be sure to get the fine powder, instead of the chopped or dessicated leaves.

See my other post in this thread for the amount I typically use, with a

swallow of regular tea. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Poppy seeds

From: "Hana Kastelicov" <Hana.Kastelicova@guest.arnes.si>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:44:36 GMT

--------

Please,I would like to know, if poppy seeds are normally for sale in the

markets in western Europe and America and  if they sell poppy cakes at the 

bakers. Im Czech living in Slovenia and in my two countries people

consume quite a lot of poppy seeds in different delicious cakes. 

I spoked to a  professor of botany, who told me, that slovinian people used

to give milk to babies, in which they cooked poppy seeds - so parents could

work on the fields.  It was a long time ago. He also told me , that after

consuming poppy seeds, one could be sleepy - but I did not notice anything

like this. 

Thanks 

                                             Hanka







==========

Subject: Re: Poppy seeds

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 01:19:18 GMT

--------

Robert (poak@mail.netshop.net) wrote:

:

:Hana Kastelicov wrote in message

:<01bd2ab4$6755d480$6a02f9c2@xy.arnes.si>...

:>Please,I would like to know, if poppy seeds are normally for sale in the

:>markets in western Europe and America and  if they sell poppy cakes at the

:>bakers. Im Czech living in Slovenia and in my two countries people

:>consume quite a lot of poppy seeds in different delicious cakes.

:>I spoked to a  professor of botany, who told me, that slovinian people used

:>to give milk to babies, in which they cooked poppy seeds - so parents could

:>work on the fields.  It was a long time ago. He also told me , that after

:>consuming poppy seeds, one could be sleepy - but I did not notice anything

:>like this.

:>Thanks

:>                                             Hanka

:>

:

:Poppy seeds in baking are fairly common in baking in Canada.

:

:Robert

:

:



As they are in the US.  Poppy seeds are coated on the outside of poppy bagels

as well. I've been told not to consume them if I need to undergo a drug test

in the following week.  Urban myth?  Have no idea. Nex



__________________________________________________________________________



"Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms, perhaps

then in springtime our hearts would be at peace." Ariwara no Narihira

__________________________________________________________________________







==========

Subject: Re: Poppy seeds

From: awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 07:13:30 GMT

--------

Answer is urban myth. The sophistcated machinery used in drug testing can tell

the difference between residues in poppy seeds and opium itself. If a lab would

make this mistake, and it would end in either not hiring an individual or

firing of that individual, both the company and lab would have big legal

problems real fast.



>As they are in the US.  Poppy seeds are coated on the outside of poppy bagels

as well. I've been told not to consume them if I need to undergo a drug  test

in the following week.  Urban myth?  Have no idea. Nex <









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Subject: Re: Poppy seeds

From: "Dan & Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:51:35 GMT

--------



AWVacaBrew wrote in message

<19980127071301.CAA19781@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>Answer is urban myth. The sophistcated machinery used in drug testing can

tell

>the difference between residues in poppy seeds and opium itself. If a lab

would

>make this mistake, and it would end in either not hiring an individual or

>firing of that individual, both the company and lab would have big legal

>problems real fast.

>

Depends how responsible the lab techs are, and how much they're paying

attention...  My husband nearly got kicked out of the Air Force after having

lemon-poppyseed coffee cake for breakfast the day before a random drug test.

After the results came back positive, and they retested and came up with

poppy seeds, *and* I coughed up the commissary receipt, then they put him

back on active duty.  (We didn't complain though... they never suspended his

pay, so we got two days' paid leave because of an AF goof!) I generally

avoid poppy seeds in all forms for a week or so before a likelihood of drug

tests - during jobhunting, for example.  We love the things, though, and as

to the original question - I've found they're a lot cheaper in heatlth-food

stores where herbs can be bought by the ouce than they are bottled in the

grocery store; they hardly wiegh anything, so an ounce (about $.50 here) is

a *lot* of poppyseed!



Beth









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Subject: Re: Poppy seeds

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:26:00 -0700

--------

nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:



>As they are in the US.  Poppy seeds are coated on the outside of poppy bagels

>as well. I've been told not to consume them if I need to undergo a drug test

>in the following week.  Urban myth?  Have no idea. Nex



   The drug tests are sensitive enough to pick up the traces of

opiates from the seeds.  Most labs ask, on the form, if you have

eaten anything with a LOT of poppyseeds (one bagel a week ago

isn't going to do it, but three big slices of poppyseed cake the

evening before might).

  The screening test, being ultra-sensitive, would yell "DRUGS!"

and then the confirmation test would say "darn poppyseeds!"

because of the mix of opiates.  Addicts seldom get their kicks

from raw opium gum: laudunum went out with the bustle and

Tincture of Opium although useful, is seldom prescribed in the

US. (it tastes yucky too).

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Poppy seeds

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:45:17 -0600

--------

Alan Pollock wrote:

> 

> Robert (poak@mail.netshop.net) wrote:

> :

> :Hana Kastelicov wrote



> :>Please,I would like to know, if poppy seeds are normally for sale 

> :>in the markets in western Europe and America and  if they sell 

> :>poppy cakes at the bakers. 



> :Poppy seeds in baking are fairly common in baking in Canada.



> As they are in the US.  Poppy seeds are coated on the outside of 

> poppy bagels as well. 



Mmmmmmm.  Poppyseed paste [thick, like halvah] inside croissant 

pastry.  Kind of like a gritty apfelstrudler.  I think I'll wander 

past the local Kosher Bakery sometime today....



[Sometimes the salad bar has little shaker jars of sesame and poppy

seeds to go with the croutons on top of the salad dressing.  Mmm.]



-Kyra





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Subject: RE: grape seed extract question

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 26 Jan 1998 23:56:26 GMT

--------

It has been my experience that reputable companies will publish the amount

of the substance contained in the capsule.  Shop around.  General rule i

have always heard is 1 mg to each lb. of body wt. for pycnogenol.    I am

looking for a store that sells grape seed cooking oil .  Also  curious

about the price.   Anyone out there know? 







==========

Subject: Re: grape seed extract question

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:11:38 GMT

--------

On 26 Jan 1998 23:56:26 GMT, "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

wrote:



>It has been my experience that reputable companies will publish the amount

>of the substance contained in the capsule.  Shop around.  General rule i

>have always heard is 1 mg to each lb. of body wt. for pycnogenol.    I am

>looking for a store that sells grape seed cooking oil .  Also  curious

>about the price.   Anyone out there know? 



Grape seed oil is sold at most supermarkets here in the UK where it is

considered just another oil for cooking and salad dressing. It costs

about 1.50 ($2.50) for a 500ml bottle. 



-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Steroids/Sarsparilla

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:18:31 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on Sarsparilla (sp?)  I read something once a

long time ago that it contains steroids, but now can't find the information or

remember where I read it.



Thanks!







==========

Subject: Re: Steroids/Sarsparilla

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:56:55 -0500

--------

Marilyn Bachmann wrote in message <34CD2419.F99A9432@InternetMCI.com>...

>Does anyone have any information on Sarsparilla (sp?)  I read something

once a

>long time ago that it contains steroids, but now can't find the information

or

>remember where I read it.

>

>Thanks!





To quote (with apologies) from Michael T. Murray's excellent book _The

Healing Power of Herbs_:



"Sarsaparilla contains 1.8-2.4 percent steroid saponins, including

sarsaponin; smilasaponin; and sarsaparilloside and its aglycones

sarsapogenin, smilagenin, and pollinastanol".



Now say that 3 times real fast...  :-)



However, he goes on to say:



"..it appears that sarsaparilla's medicinal effects occur as it binds

bacterial endotoxins in the gut, rendering them unabsorbable.  This greatly

reduces stress on the liver and...is probably responsible for sarsaparilla's

historical use as a tonic and blood purifier [and] is reported to be

effective in many cases of psoriasis, gout, and arthritis."



And, finally:



"...although sarsaparilla may have good tonic effects there is no actual

testosterone on the plant."  "...it is also unlikely that the steroid-like

substances in sarsaparilla are absorbed to any great degree."



Buy the book - it's *well* worth the small expense.



-RJO











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Subject: Golden Seal - Hydrastis canadensis

From: Burch <dburch@mail.teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:01:48 -0700

--------

Hello



We have just put up a new page with information on Golden Seal

(Hydrastis canadensis). It includes uses, actions and recommended dosage

of Hydrastis. It also has pictures of the plant and root.



You can view the page at

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hydrastis.shtml



Best of Health

The Eclectic Physician





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Subject: Shaklee ? -- NOT Spam

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:04:31 GMT

--------

Hi, folks...can any of you tell me whether or not Shaklee is a reputable

company with quality products?  I am considering purchasing some (not

distributing--see?  NO spam here), but they are spendy and I don't want to

waste my money.  I'd love to hear the experience of any of you who have gotten

involved with this company.



Thanks in advance,



Leslie

laelsport@aol.com



VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING!!

http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Valentines.html



Check It Out!!!





==========

Subject: Re: Shaklee ? -- NOT Spam

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:31:01 -0700

--------

laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport) wrote:



>Hi, folks...can any of you tell me whether or not Shaklee is a reputable

>company with quality products?  I am considering purchasing some

  They are no higher quality than the run of the mill drugstore

stuff.    It's the MLM hype that drives the price up.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Shaklee ? -- NOT Spam

From: laelsport@aol.com (Laelsport)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:33:28 GMT

--------

>>Hi, folks...can any of you tell me whether or not Shaklee is a reputable

>>company with quality products?  I am considering purchasing some

>  They are no higher quality than the run of the mill drugstore

>stuff.    It's the MLM hype that drives the price up.

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com     



Hi, Callie...



My mom (who is a diehard Shaklee user so I don't know how objective she is on

this one) says that the Shaklee products are purer, with no additives or

fillers, so therefore are better than the drugstore variety.  Would you experts

out there agree or disagree with her?



Thank you!



Leslie



VALENTINE'S DAY IS COMING!!

 http://members.aol.com/CCS36/Valentines.html



Check It Out!!!







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Subject: Hnna! Amla? for hair dyein

From: Takayoshi Satoh <tksatoh@kw.netlaputa.or.jp>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:47:11 +0900

--------

I know henna is commonly use for herbal hair dyeing.

It make a beauty red or red-brown hair and also safe for

hair health.

We can use this henna in very simple way(recipe), as you know,

for dissolve a henna powder use the boiled water.

This is a good way to make a strong color haie dyeing.



Please someone teach me about below.

1.  I heard Amla is also good for hair dyeing dark brown or black.

    I want to know this recipe.



2.  Another herbs or recipe for black color hair dyeing.





Thanks and best regards,

Sorry my poor english.



-- 

/-/ Name    :Takayoshi Satoh

/-/ e-mail  :tksatoh@kw.netlaputa.or.jp

/-/ Adress  :Kawasaki-city,Kanagawa-pref.Japan





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Subject: Re: Hnna! Amla? for hair dyein

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:02:19 GMT

--------

Takayoshi Satoh <tksatoh@kw.netlaputa.or.jp> wrote:



>1.  I heard Amla is also good for hair dyeing dark brown or black.

>    I want to know this recipe.



I wouldn't mix it myself since the stuff is so cheap at Indian or

other Asian markets.



>2.  Another herbs or recipe for black color hair dyeing.



Black walnut hulls work.



turf







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Subject: Re: Hnna! Amla? for hair dyein

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:40:01 -0700

--------

Takayoshi Satoh <tksatoh@kw.netlaputa.or.jp> wrote:



>I know henna is commonly use for herbal hair dyeing.

>It make a beauty red or red-brown hair and also safe for

>hair health.

   Henna can also be used to make hair black.  In the US they

sell several types of henna, the common red henna, and also henna

that will make hair very dark brown or black.

  The "black henna" contains another herb as well as the henna.

My encyclopedia says it is indigo, but I don't have a recipe.



Don't worry about your Enmglish.  It is much better than my

Japanese.  

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Hnna! Amla? for hair dyein

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:32:52 -0900

--------

I'm not sure if this is what you want, but here are three different recipes I have from Jude Williams, Master Herbalist:



Darkens Hair:

Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 3 Tablespoons of rosemary. Let stand overnight. Strain and add as a final rinse. This also enhances curly hair. As a bonus, it really makes the hair glossy and leaves a nice smell.



Darkens Gray Hair:

To darken gray hair, pour 1 cup boiling water over 4 Tablespoons of dried sage. Let steep overnight. Combine with 1 cup commercial tea and work into hair every night until desired color is reached. Native Americans have used sage tea as a treatment for gray hair for centuries.



Hair Coloring For Brunettes:

Mix together 1/4 cup of powdered chamomile and 1/2 cup of powdered henna. Add just enough boiling water to make a paste along with 1 Tablespoon of vinegar. Allow the paste to cool. Put on rubber gloves before massaging into clean wet hair. Be sure to comb the paste through the hair and apply it evenly. Pile up the hair and cover it with a plastic bag. Wrap a thick towel over the plastic to hold in the heat. Leave on at least 30 minutes. Remove towel and rinse hair until the water runs clear. Allow to dry in sunshine. Any stains on the face or hands can be removed with lemon juice. This mixture has a tendency to add red overtones to the hair, so you may want to pre-test it. Do not use if you have white, blond, or gray hair as it will turn those colors a brassy orange. It does add nice highlights to dark brunettes.



Hope that helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Tribilus Terestes

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 05:30:01 -0700

--------

"Anthony A. Flowers" <tonyf@inspace.net> wrote:



>Anyone ever heard of this stuff???  It is sold at GNC under the name of

>TRIBILUS FUEL.  Seems like everything at GNC is some kind of fuel.  My

>local GNC did not have any documentation on the product.



  Tribulus terrestris is well-known in the arid SW of the United

States as "bull-heads", "Goat-heads", and "(*&^%#&%*&!!".

Well-known for their ability to flatten tires, pierce

tennis-shoes, etc.

  As an herb ... it's a European weed.  The seed might be high in

carbohydrates (many of the "fuels" sold in GNC are really

expensive versions of glucose and other sugars, tarted up with a

few vitamins and minerals or the herb of the week).





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Tribilus Terestes

From: "Saladking" <joshuah@pionet.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:41:48 -0600

--------

The carbohydrate dude is wrong.  Tribulus terrestris contains chemicals

known as furanosterols.  These compounds boost LH levels to enhance

testosterone production.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34cedf32.1928471@news.primenet.com>...

>"Anthony A. Flowers" <tonyf@inspace.net> wrote:

>

>>Anyone ever heard of this stuff???  It is sold at GNC under the name of

>>TRIBILUS FUEL.  Seems like everything at GNC is some kind of fuel.  My

>>local GNC did not have any documentation on the product.

>

>  Tribulus terrestris is well-known in the arid SW of the United

>States as "bull-heads", "Goat-heads", and "(*&^%#&%*&!!".

>Well-known for their ability to flatten tires, pierce

>tennis-shoes, etc.

>  As an herb ... it's a European weed.  The seed might be high in

>carbohydrates (many of the "fuels" sold in GNC are really

>expensive versions of glucose and other sugars, tarted up with a

>few vitamins and minerals or the herb of the week).

>

>

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com

>(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

> But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)









==========

Subject: Re: Tribilus Terestes

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:01:38 -0500

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34cedf32.1928471@news.primenet.com>...

>"Anthony A. Flowers" <tonyf@inspace.net> wrote:

>

>>Anyone ever heard of this stuff???  It is sold at GNC under the name of

>>TRIBILUS FUEL.  Seems like everything at GNC is some kind of fuel.  My

>>local GNC did not have any documentation on the product.

>

>  Tribulus terrestris is well-known in the arid SW of the United

>States as "bull-heads", "Goat-heads", and "(*&^%#&%*&!!".

>Well-known for their ability to flatten tires, pierce

>tennis-shoes, etc.

>  As an herb ... it's a European weed.  The seed might be high in

>carbohydrates (many of the "fuels" sold in GNC are really

>expensive versions of glucose and other sugars, tarted up with a

>few vitamins and minerals or the herb of the week).

>

>Callie





Tribulus terrestris seed is a respected herb in traditional Chinese

medicine, as well as in Ayurveda.  Words in [brackets] below are mine.



According to Daniel Reid in _A Handbook of Chinese Healing Herbs_, it is

used by the Chinese as "tonic; nutrient; galactagogue; diuretic; alterative;

promotes semen production; purifies blood; strengthens bone and sinew;

improves vision; facilitates labor; (TCM: tonifies liver-energy; expels

liver-wind and tonifies kidney-yang).  [Used in] Spermatorrhea; premature

ejaculation; male infertility; frequent profuse urination; lumbago;

tinnitus; insufficient lactation; blurry vision; anemia; malnutrition; labor

difficulties (TCM: deficient kidney-yang; deficient liver-energy)."

Especially values as a blood purifier, and sometimes to facilitate

contractions during childbirth [so probably not to be used during

pregnancy].



Michael Tierra in _Planetary Herbology_ lists T. terrestris under "Caltrop",

and calls it "antispasmodic, alterative, [and] anodyne".  He says "It

relieves spasms, clears the eyes, relieves hypertensive headache and

dizziness and chest fullness, and treats mastitis, spermatorrhea, vertigo,

itching, hives, skin lesions with severe itching, and vitiligo [blood

purifier, anyone?].  It also is effective in treating constrained liver chi

with pain and distension in the chest and glands, and deficient mother's

milk caused by emotional upset."  He goes on to say "Ayurveda classifies it

as sweet and cold and uses it as one of its two main diuretic herbs for

urinary problems, kidney and lower back pains, urinary tract stones and as

an aphrodesiac.  Its diuretic action has been confirmed by Chinese

research."



-RJO











==========

Subject: REQUEST : Good Mixture for increased immune system function.

From: tbarnett!!!@awod.com (WaReZ tHe bEEf)

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:34:00 GMT

--------

I get lots of Sinus infections in the winter...



Thanks





Reply to tbarnett!!!!!@awod.com  (remove the !!!!! )





==========

Subject: Herb list??

From: jdwight@lessing.oit.umass.edu (Joan R Dwight)

Date: 27 Jan 98 16:03:53 GMT

--------

	

I've been trying to find out how get onto the Herb list -- I believe 

there are 2 and haven't any success?  If you know, please email me at 

j.dwight@umassp.edu as I don't look at this newsgroup often.  Thanks.		



Joan	









==========

Subject: Steroids

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:33:19 GMT

--------

Sorry if this message goes out twice!



Does anyone have any information on Sarsparilla (sp?)  I read something once a

long time ago that it contains steroids, but now can't find the information or

remember where I read it.



Thanks!











==========

Subject: FREE HERB/NUTRITION NEWSLETTER

From: elfreem@aol.com (Elfreem)

Date: 27 Jan 1998 21:25:43 GMT

--------

I am a pharmacist and manager of a drug therapy newsletter for over 400

hospitals. Currently, I read about 35 to 40 medical journals. After my wife got

relief from severe PMS headaches after taking an herb called black cohosh, I

started investigating natural products and began a series on herbs in my

newsletter. My goal for this year is to develop an email herb/nutrition

newsletter for the general public that will be free ....at least for the first

6 months. I believe I can save the lives of many people and/or prolong the

lives of people by many years with the information I have now ...but I would

like to add another 10 journals on herbs and nutrition and provide additional

information beyond what I now read.



By the way, before I start this project I'll need several hundred people to

express an interest. Do you know anyone else who might be? 



Also, I just finished two short monographs on black cohosh and ginkgo biloba

for my current drug therapy newsletter. If the herb/nutrition newsletter gets

off the ground, I'll probably expand both of them in length ..there's a lot of

interesting clinical information on both these herbs. Would these monographs

interest you?? Contact me directly at Elfreem@aol.com for either the newsletter

or herbal monographs.



Also, would you please forward this message to as many friends as you can who 

you think might be interested. Thanks.



Sincerely,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract thanks and caution

From: "Ev in Schlaraffenland" <schire@ix.netcom.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 07:43:17 GMT

--------

Thanks to all for some great answers,  

Caution -- I hope no one uses a product that is not specifically made for 

culinary use or ingestion.  This scares me.  

I will now go and eat a salad and then take a grapeseed oil bath. Must be 

good for hair too? This could be fun.   

I did see the oil listed in a nutritional values book and compared to olive

oil, it had one or two better qualities. Don't have book available here to 

quote but perhaps those that wanted assurance can look it up. 

Ev 



Marsha <aworld!@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<34CE9EEE.E8829675@mindspring.com>...

> Hi Ev,

> 

> These oils you use sound delicious!  I'm not sure if this was originally

> about grapeseed or grapefruit seed extract.  I know that grapefruit (or

> citrus) seed extract is a germicide and can also be taken internally in

> tiny amounts.  I'm not familiar with grapeseed extract, but grapeseed

> oil is also great for the skin--a base oil that's used a lot by massage

> therapists.  It contains vitamins, minerals and proteins.   

> 

> Marsha       

(original snip)





==========

Subject: Re: Grape seed extract thanks and caution

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:25:26 -0500

--------

>[Grape seed oil] contains vitamins, minerals and proteins.

>Marsha





I rather doubt it, unless maybe it contains some of the oil-soluble vitamins

like E.  Of the other oil-soluble vitamins, Vitamin A is present in

vegetables and fruit as carotene, which is immediately detectable by it's

bright yellow-orange color, and vitamin D is produced by the action of

sunlight on specific lipids, so it is unlikely to be present in measurable

quantities.  The B-vitamins (and related compounds) and Vitamin C are not

oil-soluble; they and any minerals or protein would show up as a cloudy

discoloration or a solid deposit in the bottom of the bottle - not great for

selling a cooking product.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Rosemary by seed?

From: "Woodard" <woodard@lni.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:28:59 -0500

--------

Does anyone know how long before the last frost date I should start my

rosemary seeds? I start some of my plants by seeds every year, but this is

the first time I have tried rosemary and it's the only packet that doesn't

have a time listed on it.



Debbie

woodard@lni.net











==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: Marsha <aworld!@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:28:00 -0600

--------

Woodard wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know how long before the last frost date I should start my

> rosemary seeds? I start some of my plants by seeds every year, but this is

> the first time I have tried rosemary and it's the only packet that doesn't

> have a time listed on it.

> 

> Debbie

> woodard@lni.net



It looks like you live in Michigan?  I would start the seeds inside and

gradually expose the plants to the outside before transplanting.  I

don't think they'll survive winter though.  I had a Rosemary plant while

living in Indianapolis and it died the first winter outside. You may

want to keep them in pots or a planter and move them inside before it

gets below 40 degrees.



Marsha





==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: michelle <mcwright@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:41:33 -0800

--------

wl-ski wrote:

> 

>  a> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:28:00 -0600

>  a> Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

>  a> From: Marsha <aworld!@mindspring.com>

> 

>  a> Woodard wrote:

> >> ... how long before the last frost date I should start my rosemary

> >> seeds? ... the first time I have tried rosemary and it's the only

> packet

> >> that doesn't have a time listed on it.

> 

>  a> It looks like you live in Michigan?  I would start the seeds inside

> and gradually

>  a> expose the plants to the outside before transplanting.  I don't

> think they'll survive

>  a> winter though.   I had a Rosemary plant while living in

> Indianapolis and it died the

>  a> first winter outside. You may want to keep them in pots or a

> planter and move them

>  a> inside before it gets below 40 degrees.

>  a> Marsha

> 

> I agree with all that Marsha shares with you.  Considering that

> Rosemary is a native of the Mediteranian, it is highly doubtful that

> you can expect much out of it outside, in Michigan.  I would much

> rather see you try your hand at it as a windowsill plant

> .  I

> personally, have never had much success bringing them in.  I can keep

> them going almost all winter, only to loose them about a month before

> they can go out with nice weather.  I know there are those with a

> better track record than I, on this situatio

> n.  I don't seem to have

> the same problem, if I raise them on the windowsill, never allowing

> them to *go* outside, tho.  I *do* have one that still shows some signs

> of  life, that was  never brought in, last fall...  but I am much

> further south than you..

> . (in zone 6 [Oklahoma]  :)  And, seldom do I

> have such a 'gift', here.  Perhaps if you were to use a cold frame, at

> least 18" deep, for over-wintering...

> 

> As for when to drop your seed,   (you will need to speak with your

> Master Gardener program or your Extension Agent to find the projected

> last frost date for your area).  I can't find my book that lists all

> the germination times, but I can tell you that it

>  needs warm temps.

> (like 70' or better) and the germination is not very dependable, so

> you'll be wise to over seed (seed heavy).   I wish you success... your

> undertaking isn't a simple one.

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski



Richters (http://www.richters.com) has a sheet on bringing rosemary in

for the winter.  This is my second winter overwintering rosemary, and if

you follow their instructions, it can be done.  Also, if you check

DejaNews under "Rosemary" in either rec.gardens or rec.gardens.edible,

you will see where I typed up tips on how I overwinter my rosemary

plants.  The reason why your rosemarys die right before spring is that

it has run out of energy it stored over the summer and cannot

effectively replinish this energy with its high light leaves.  You have

to help the plant to adjust to lower light winter days by preparing it

in the fall so it will grow low light leaves.



As long as the soil does not freeze, rosemarys will do fine in a cold

but protected spot like an enclosed porch with plenty of windows.  It

does not like heated rooms.  I bring my plants inside the house when the

temperatures outside my porch are below 20 degrees.  I usually keep a

plastic bottle on the porch filled with water.  When the water threatens

to freeze, that's when it's time to bring the plants into a cooler room

away from any radiant heat sources.  As soon as temperatures outdoors

are back to at least the lower to mid 20s the next day, I put my plants

back on the porch.  If there's a cold snap where temps are consistently

in the teens and below, I make sure I mist my plants with water several

times a day until it's warm enough from them to go back on the porch

again.









-- 

For e-mail respond to MCWright at Worldnet dot Att dot Net



Start by doing what is necessary; then do the possible; 

and suddenly you are doing the impossible.

	--St. Francis of Assisi





==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:11:49 -0500

--------

michelle wrote in message <6aptkh$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...



<much interesting material deleted on rosemary in Michigan>



MAN, I'm pissed.  My news server is dropping all sorts of messages, if all

the replies I'm seeing are any indication.  I keep getting the *responses*

and never see the original message.  On this thread, Michelles message is

the only one that appeared!



So, I hope the original poster sees this.  If you are absolutely determined

to grow Rosemary in Michigan, check Richters (some other culinary herb

suppliers may also have it) for a variety that has been successfully grown

in the Northeast (if it can survive those winters, it should live anywhere!)

I believe the name is "Arp", but I may be confusing it with another one.  I

will check my catalogs when I get home tonight to see if I can find it.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: Marsha <aworld!@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:31:33 -0600

--------

Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> 

> michelle wrote in message <6aptkh$gbs@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

> 

> <much interesting material deleted on rosemary in Michigan>

> 

> MAN, I'm pissed.  My news server is dropping all sorts of messages, if all

> the replies I'm seeing are any indication.  I keep getting the *responses*

> and never see the original message.  On this thread, Michelles message is

> the only one that appeared!

> 

> So, I hope the original poster sees this.  If you are absolutely determined

> to grow Rosemary in Michigan, check Richters (some other culinary herb

> suppliers may also have it) for a variety that has been successfully grown

> in the Northeast (if it can survive those winters, it should live anywhere!)

> I believe the name is "Arp", but I may be confusing it with another one.  I

> will check my catalogs when I get home tonight to see if I can find it.

> 

> -RJO



I had a Richter's catalog right next to me when I read this message. 

It's on p.63 of the '98 catalog.  You're right--Arp Rosemary.  R.

officinalis 'Arp', Tender Perennial.  A winter hardy strain to zone 6. 

They sell the plants.  I've found that usually I can grow things from

the next warmer zone if they're planted in a well-protected

southern-facing spot--or covered with enough snow. I don't know if

Michigan has any zone 6 areas but maybe zone 5 near the lake?



Marsha





==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 09:51:01 -0700

--------

wl-ski@gn3.gratisnet.com (wl-ski) wrote:





> > Richard J. Ogden wrote:

>>>  I keep getting the *responses* and never see

>>> the original message.  On this thread, Michelles message

>>> is the only one that appeared!

>

>(Me, too  :(

>

  Perhaps Michelle's post is coming from an ISP currently under

the "Usenet Death Penalty" for not whapping their spammers and

some news feeds are blocking all posts from that site.  That

happened to AOL posts for a while: I would see replies, but no

originals.



The "Sunset Western Garden Book", a really reliable source, says

that rosemary is hardy to about 15F  ... which lets Michigan out.

You might be able to keep it potted on a sunny glassed-in porch

for the winter, and on a patio after danger of har dfreezes have

passed,  but it's probably easiest to get a fast-growing variety

fresh each year.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:03:44 -0500

--------

Germination of rosemary seeds is very low and difficult. It takes about 4

Weeks with 70 degrees F. to germinate, and another 8-10 weeks to transplant

to outdoor. My advise to you is to start from cutting, or buy a potted

plant.

Also if you start from seed do not cover the seed since light will aid the

germination.

Good luck.







==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:36:40 GMT

--------

I don't know what the temperature extremes are in your part of the

world so this may be irrelevant. Where I live in England the

temperature varies from about 20F to about 75F most years with

occasional annual swings from way below freezing to over 90F. I've had

a rosemary plant growing in a tub for about five years without ever

bringing it indoors. It's a variety of R.officinalis called "Jessops

Upright". My mother grew a lot of them from the seeds of one of her

plants. She can't remember the exact details but her usual method is

to raise all her seeds in sandy compost on the back window of her

kitchen where the temperature is always way above freezing. She thinks

(she's 80 so her thinking is a little suspect) that it "wasn't a

problem" and most of the seeds germinated. 



-- 

Steve

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme: Author of Neural Network Shareware

web page: http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





==========

Subject: Re: Rosemary by seed?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 09:57:00 -0700

--------

steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk wrote:



>I don't know what the temperature extremes are in your part of the

>world so this may be irrelevant. 

  England is very temperate, compared to much of the US, thjanks

ot the Gulf Stream - we get a lot hotter and colder, often in the

same area.  Your main gardening problems seem to be too much

water and bad drainage, and erratic weather shifts.  (I'm

transcribing John Evelyn's famous 1600s gard'ners handbook for my

web site, and he's always griping about the late frosts and

treacherous spring weather.)



  Phoenix AZ: 19F to 125F (extremes) 30F-115F (usual)

  Parts of Texas:  -20F to 110F 

  Rocky Mountain states: -40F to 95F (I've seen -60 in calm air

... trees explode when they freeze and the snow shrieks when you

walk on it)



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: healthy shrooms!

From: mycowrld <mycowrld@cdsnet.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:16:21 -0800

--------

Theresa,



There is a fair amount of research on the health/medicinal aspects of

some species (shiitake, reishi and maitake, especially).  For a

bibliography and brief summary of some of this information go to:



http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/archives.html#health



and check out the links from there.  



-Jerry-

P.S. We DO NOT sell mushrooms.

----

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

MycoWrld@cdsnet.net

http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/

----



Theresa Warner wrote:

> 

> And here i was thinking that ALL mushrooms are healthy, shucks

> 

> --



> shrooms 4 u wrote in message <77054.deanxyz@pacifier.com>...

> >I will send you dried samples of a "medicinal" mushroom,

> >(which has culinary and other attributes)

> >please send $10 US to:





==========

Subject: Re: healthy shrooms!

From: dunns@spieg.interealm.com (Stephen Dunn)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 11:16:18 -0700

--------

In article <34CF67E3.7340@cdsnet.net>, mycowrld  <mycowrld@cdsnet.net> wrote:

:Theresa,

:

:There is a fair amount of research on the health/medicinal aspects of

:some species (shiitake, reishi and maitake, especially).  For a

:bibliography and brief summary of some of this information go to:

:

:http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/archives.html#health

:

:and check out the links from there.  

:

:-Jerry-

:P.S. We DO NOT sell mushrooms.



And don't forget Coriolus Versicolor, source of the Japanese anti-cancer

drugs PSK and PSP! 



                        -Steve Dunn

-- 

The possibilities are infinitely  | CancerGuide: http://cancerguide.org

greater than the averages.        | "When you need the right questions"

           





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Subject: MUSCLE/JOINT ACHES

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:36:11 GMT

--------

Hi Everyone:



Thanks for reading my question.



I am 35 and am at the computer all day, and have been experiencing a lot

of muscle and joint aches lately from overuse.  I have been to the Dr.,

and of course, they recommend ibuprofen, but I don't like the side

effects.  



Does anyone know of a more natural way to help this, above and beyond

excercise and physical therapy?



Thanks! 



Cindi





==========

Subject: Re: MUSCLE/JOINT ACHES

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:55:54 GMT

--------

On 28 Jan 1998 17:36:11 GMT, Cindi and Jeff Smith

<"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote:



-=>Hi Everyone:

-=>

-=>Thanks for reading my question.

-=>

-=>I am 35 and am at the computer all day, and have been experiencing a lot

-=>of muscle and joint aches lately from overuse.  I have been to the Dr.,

-=>and of course, they recommend ibuprofen, but I don't like the side

-=>effects.  

-=>

-=>Does anyone know of a more natural way to help this, above and beyond

-=>excercise and physical therapy?



Don't you think it's a little silly to ingest something if getting up

and walking around and getting exercise would do the trick?  The only

other thing might be to see exactly how you are sitting.  I found that

I was putting stress on my right shoulder and that was what was

causing my pain.  I put a pillow under my arm and the pain went away.

I now have a new chair.



Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





==========

Subject: Re: MUSCLE/JOINT ACHES

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:03:52 -0900

--------

HI Cindi,

Try a ginger compress or bath. Ginger works wonderfully for sore, aching muscles. Just add 2-3 Tablespoons in a hot bath. Or, use enough in hot water to make it "dirty" looking and apply as a hot compress.

You can also try a mixture of these herbs:

Burdock Root

Alfalfa

Yucca

Devil's Claw

Prickly Ash

Azomite

Licorice Root

Sarsaparilla

Calcium



I have given some clients this formula, and they like it. I also gave some to my dog. What a change in her!!



Hope that helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: MUSCLE/JOINT ACHES

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 13:37:15 GMT

--------

computer pains.  arrggh.  first, is your work station ergonomically designed? 

Do you have a chair that provides the proper support--not the usual office

chair that we are stuck with, but a chair designed for long periods of sitting?

 Do you have the computer and keyboard in positions so that you are not looking

down or up constantly.  Do you have a contoured keyboard?  Contoured mouse and

do you change it's position frequently (this is my biggest pain inducer).   Do

you change your position frequently?  Do you exercise your limbs and neck

frequently while sitting for long periods?    IMHO you have to work on the

cause of the symptoms before you administer to the symptoms.



 And I'll tell ya, today companies are willing to spend the $ on the proper

equipment (and if self employed it is a tax write off) because it's much

cheaper than paying the short and long term disability claims.    Also, there

are several companies (I'd have to dig for the information on them) and books

on how to deal with body stress in the office.



CRD





==========

Subject: Yohimbine

From: macheriemw@aol.com (MaCherieMW)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 17:54:09 GMT

--------



Hi,



Does anyone know where I could purchase yohimbine? Pills, tea, any form would

be fine. My local GNC doesn't carry it. Are there any mail order places out

there?



Please CC any replies to my email,



Thank you for your time,



MaCherieMW@aol.com





==========

Subject: Cold hands and feet?

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 28 Jan 1998 18:13:03 GMT

--------

I just wanted to share with everyone about something I read in "Womans Day"

concerning herbs.  It is this month's edition.  To boost circulation,  I read

that one could take dandelion.  I always had cold hands,  to the point where I

could touch someone and they would jump and think it was an icecube.  I

purchased dandelion and my hands ceased to feel like a corpse. It also works

for cold feet,  but I think I have to boost my dosage.   



Anyway,  hope this could help someone. Stay warm! 





==========

Subject: Menopause

From: Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:44:32 -0800

--------

I have a friend starting menopause.  I am interested in reading what

others have used for this.  I did recommend Black Cohosh.  Is there any

thing else.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Menopause

From: "Reigan Scott-Palframan" <scotty@pcug.org.au>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 20:45:30 +1100

--------

Hi Pete, I hope the following may be of assistance but it depends on what

your friend's symptoms are at this point. Some women have no (or very

little) trouble passing in to and post- menopause.



1.    Black cohosh may help relieve hot flushes.



2.    Chaste tree may help with any depression (or temper tantrums).



3.    Damiana is useful if her libido has gone out the door.



4.    Dandelion is great for the liver and because the hormones are out

        of whack, the liver cops it tough.



5.    Dong quai has natural plant oetrogens and may help with oestrogen

       deficiency.



6.    False unicorn root is an oestrogen regulator.



7.    Liferoot is a uterine tonic that contains plant oestrogens. It can

eliminate

       hot flushes, as can Red Clover.



8.    Sage, too can help eliminate the night-time "sweats".



9.    Shepherd's purse can normalise progesterone levels. If menopause has

        just started, and she has been suffering excessive, irregular

bleeding or

        spotting this herb will help regulate and increase the length of the

        menstrual cycle until the natural cessation of the menses.



There are lots of other herbs that women may find beneficial in their own

case but these should help your friend as she will know "what ails her"

right now. (Please don't flame me, I know it's not really an ailment)

Best regards,

                Reigan



Pete Erlandsen wrote in message <34CF8AA0.925676E5@home.com>...

>I have a friend starting menopause.  I am interested in reading what

>others have used for this.  I did recommend Black Cohosh.  Is there any

>thing else.

>

>J9









==========

Subject: Re: Menopause

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 12:11:00 -0700

--------

Quick read Rosemary Gladstar's book on Women'

s health issues.  You too can end power surges (hot flashes),

depression, water gain, bone loss....NATURALLY!!





Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:



>I have a friend starting menopause.  I am interested in reading what

>others have used for this.  I did recommend Black Cohosh.  Is there any

>thing else.



>J9









==========

Subject: Re: Menopause

From: Elaine Carver <elainet@iea.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:05:53 -0800

--------

Two Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote:

> 

> Quick read Rosemary Gladstar's book on Women'

> s health issues.  You too can end power surges (hot flashes),

> depression, water gain, bone loss....NATURALLY!!

> 

> Pete Erlandsen <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:

> 

> >I have a friend starting menopause.  I am interested in reading what

> >others have used for this.  I did recommend Black Cohosh.  Is there any

> >thing else.

> 

> >J9

other great books are "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About

Mecopause" by Dr. John Lee and "Hormone Replacement Therapy - Yes Or No"

by Dr. Betty Kamen. The main point in both books is estrogen dominance,

which most women have. They need natural progesteron to balance the

system. It relieves hot flashes and other symptoms and as an added

benefit helps to build bone, estrogen simply slow bone loss. Good

reading.



Also DHEA is more recommended for men than for women. If you use it,

take it on alternate days.





==========

Subject: sore throat

From: "steven kadlec" <johnsmith@microsoft.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 19:49:09 GMT

--------





	Does anyone know a good herb to sooth a sore throat?  My throat has been

dry and itchy and sore

	for the past week.



	steve





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Subject: Re: sore throat

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sharkawifarm@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:02:40 -0500

--------

Just boil a cup of water with 2 teaspoonful of fresh or dried sage for about

5 minutes, then strain it and add to it 1/8 cup of cider vinegar and use it

as gargle which is excellent for sore throats, laryngitis, and tonsillitis.









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Subject: Re: CURE CANCER!!

From: Phipps <mrphipps@slip.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:54:29 -0800

--------

Max wrote:

> 

> Ther may be an alternative treatment out there that works. If there is

> the eventually the drug companies may synthasis it as they did with

> taxol from the yew tree. In the mean time if we suppress knowledge

> completely we many never make progress. Doctors took 150 years to find

> vitamin C (and got a Nobel Prize), after Captain Cook used it to prevent

> scurvy and saved may from dying from it whilst discovering the South

> Pacific. You can not rush these things.





There may be an alternative treatment that works on a specific type of 

cancer, but an oncologist I met had warned me to be sceptical of any 

claim that *anything* could cure all cancers: these can be so different 

that it is unlikely that any one treatment be applicable to all of them.



-Ph





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Subject: Re: CURE CANCER!!

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:23:37 -0500

--------

Pete Erlandsen wrote in message <34CF8CD4.2A54FCF6@home.com>...

>We have changed our diets and I give him herbs to help prevent Prostate

>cancer.   We are not expecting miracles but I plan on keeping my

>husband  until well after age 65 (The men of his family die usually

>before age 65)

>

>J9



I'm curious what herbs you are using?  I have read that saw palmetto

(available as a standardized concentrate) is good for *benign* hyperplasia,

so it might (by maintaining prostate health) help prevent the development of

cancer.  Another "herb" I would personally recommend is hulled pumpkin

seeds.  I can't remember in which herbal I originally read about their use

by European Gypsies as a prostate remedy (and increaser of male fertility),

but they have served me well during several bouts with painful prostate

inflammation.  Apparently the expressed oil, which is available from health

food stores, works as well, as I have used it successfully when the seeds

themselves were unavailable.  I even had a friend once who had trouble with

his prostate so severe it resulted in bleeding (blood in the urine); the

doctors he saw were unable to bring it under control or provide any real

relief.  I bought him a 2-lb. bag of raw hulled pumpkin seeds and made him

promise to eat a tablespoonful 3 times a day.  About a week later he called

me to say the bleeding had stopped and he was experiencing relief from the

discomfort for the first time in weeks.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: CURE CANCER!!

From: Max <max@natheal.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:17:04 +0000

--------

In article <34CF8CF5.7E9C@slip.net>, Phipps <mrphipps@slip.net> writes

>Max wrote:

>> 

>> Ther may be an alternative treatment out there that works. If there is

>> the eventually the drug companies may synthasis it as they did with

>> taxol from the yew tree. In the mean time if we suppress knowledge

>> completely we many never make progress. Doctors took 150 years to find

>> vitamin C (and got a Nobel Prize), after Captain Cook used it to prevent

>> scurvy and saved may from dying from it whilst discovering the South

>> Pacific. You can not rush these things.

>

>

>There may be an alternative treatment that works on a specific type of 

>cancer, but an oncologist I met had warned me to be sceptical of any 

>claim that *anything* could cure all cancers: these can be so different 

>that it is unlikely that any one treatment be applicable to all of them.

>

>-Ph

This is probably true in medical terms. I have a belief that cancer is

allowed to grow when the 10,000 cancer cells we produce daily failt to

be removed from a malfunction. This malfunction probably allows many

cancers to grow and if we can isolate what it is and get it to work

properly, then the site of the cancer or the cause of the cancer or even

hopefully the stage are not so important.

This is the key to finding a cure. To find why the body stops coping on

its own.

There is little likelihood in the vast majority of cases, that the use

of Chemo, hormones, surgery or radiation are likely to stimulate the

body to normal functioning in the future. Quite the opposite.

We can only hope that appart from researching these products that offer

little long term survival (not just 2 or 5 years tables) and removing

the tumor which is not the cause of the problem, science is also looking

at the common causes. Of course the problem with this aspect of research

is that the key will not return the profits need to find the cause and

is therefore not a viable proposition for study by the research

organisations.

At present we are told 1 in 3 get cancer. That is 33 in 100. We are told

that 1 in 4 die from cancer. That is 25 in 100. In every 100 people only

8 of the 33 (less tha 25%) will survive long enough to die from other

causes. We do not know how long these 8 will live, how many die from

heart attach, other medical problems, medical malpractice, car accident,

whatever and could have died from caner eventually if they had been

given more time.

On the other hand, regardless of what doctors say, there must be a

certain percentage of success with alternative treatments with these 8

or no one would consider their use ever.

Some of these, with very different types of cancer (with lifetime

success from terminal situations) using one treatment can be seen at 

http://www.natheal.demon.co.uk/can-t.html 

-- 

Max





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Subject: Re: (another) grape seed extract question

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:27:19 -0800

--------

Some where along the line the subject got side tracked. Grapeseed

extract(pycnogenol)is NOT the same as grapeseed oil, if there is such a

thing.



Bob





Dan & Beth Harper wrote in message ...

:

:>>> I am looking for a store that sells grape seed cooking oil .  Also

:>curious

:>>>about the price.   Anyone out there know?

:>>

:>>I have found it in the regular local grocery stores. Rather pricey -

:>>$3.50 - $4 for a fairly small bottle. But a nice flavor.

:

:

:Is this the same grapeseed oil that I would buy in the health-food store to

:be used as a carrier oil for homemade aromatherapy products?  I buy the

:stuff frequently, at about $5.50 for a 12-oz bottle, but never had any idea

:that it might have a culinary use...

:

:Beth

:

:

:









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Subject: RE: Dry skin...help?

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 21:29:15 GMT

--------

B.



I looked up "dry skin" in Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible and he says..quote:



"Vitamin-E oil seems to work wonders when applied to dry skin, as do oils

rich in vitamins A and D. As a dietary supplement, if you're not eating

enough sweet potatoes, carrots, liver and tomatoes, try 25,000 IU vitamin A

daily for 2 weeks, then cut dosage back to 10,000 IU. If you've cut all

fats from your diet, put some back in the form of polyunsaturated oil (2

tablespoons on your daily salad is ample). Or try 3 to 6 lecithin capsules

three times daily, along with a multi-vitamin.  Another alternative is 1

tbsp. cod liver oil (flavored) taken with milk or juice one hour before

breakfast."



I heard a health news story the other day talking about the Omega 3"s and

how important they are to us.  Flax oil is another source that is currently

popular. 



Just checked another source (card file from Health Ministries,Inc.) and it

said to check thyroid, and take vitamin A, vitamin E (400-1200 IU) ,

lecithin (520mg) up to 12 a day (bottle says 2 cap. 3X day) , Omega 3 EPA(

that company's product name for Omega 3)  or... Flax oil (550mg)2cap. 2X a

day. Says skin usually feels and looks better in 6 weeks. 



I am new to this group and hope I have not broken any rules/laws by looking

in other sources for answers other than my own experience.  Group : please

inform if I did.



On a personal note I have found if I do find it necessary to take

antihistamines for awhile I will develop this condition, especially the

scalp dryness, they take the water off your system. I try not to take them,

and heard something the other day about antihistamines and stroke!  Anyone

heard anything on this one?  



Hope this helps,

                         Wanda





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Subject: RE: Aciidophilus

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:01:49 GMT

--------

Wendy,

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                           

                      This one I have dealt with personally.  (for years) 

I hate antibiotics!  Whenever I take them you know what happens!  Have you

heard of Candida Albicans?  That is the fungi's  little name so I'm told.

The bacteria we have naturally in our system is lactobacillus acidophilus

and that is what keeps this yeast stuff under control.  Anyway the diet is

very important.  This fungus loves sugar and thus the problem cropping up

around the monthly period( if you crave chocolate, etc before period like

some do) Also while the yeast infection is active they say it is best to

avoid  milk, cheese , wheat pasta,  yeast breads, salad dressing, peanut

butter, junk food, acidic fruit, beef , pork, shellfish, and easy on the

potatoes, bell peppers,  and tomatoes.  What's left?!!   I took acidophilus

like crazy. Needed more! So I did some research and started taking a

capryilic acid combo capsules regularly and pau d'arco. I also take

garlic/parsley.  It has helped me so far.  Inserting the acidophillus

capsules vaginally can speed things up also.  A douche I heard of was 1

garlic cap. & 1 acidophilus cap. dissolved  with 1/2 cup pau d'arco tea.

Best of luck! 

                                                                           

                        Wanda                                              

      







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Subject: RE: Need effective natural deodorant.

From: "Jon Olmsted" <jwds@starkcounty.com>

Date: 28 Jan 1998 22:13:32 GMT

--------

A friend of mine introduced me to :  Tom's of Maine, natural deodorant it

has aloe, lichen, coriander oil, proplylene glycol, chamomile tea, sodium

stearate, witch hazel and glyceryl monolaurate in it and it is unscented.

Says it has no animal ingredients. She got it at a health products store

somewhere in Wisconsin.  I have not looked for it yet as I have an ample

supply.  I also use a little powder with baking soda in it after I apply

the deodorant.  Works for me.  No complaints yet.   

        

                                                                          

Wanda







==========

Subject: help needed with hot yellow burning diarrhea

From: atmanNOT@neta.com (Ron and Suzee)

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:46:36 -0700

--------



Hi,

i need help controlling my occasional bouts of

hot yellow burning diarrhea that occurs about 

once a week ... it's been going on for several

months now

other symptoms include hemorrhoids, fatigue,

loose stools with undigested food (when it's

not hot)



i've been taking a chinese patent formula

(hemorrease by K'an for damp heat in the LI)

with pomegranite, licorice and garlic 

but it doesn't seem to be fixing it



is there anything that will cool this thing

down for good??



thanks

ron





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Subject: Re: help needed with hot yellow burning diarrhea

From: "Terence \"Benzev' Wulfsohn." <benzev@icon.co.za>

Date: 31 Jan 1998 19:17:48 GMT

--------

Look at Deepak Chopra book "Perfect Health". It seems that you have a

classic Pitta (fire) imbalance. From our perspective garlic is heating as

well. The source of the fiery imbalance could also be from non dietary

issues eg. environmental, behavioural, emotional etc. You need to check out

all the "food" you are eating and digesting.



Regards



Benzev

-- 

Terence 'Benzev' Wulfsohn

139 Edmonds Road

Glenwood, Durban, 4001, South Africa

tel/fax:   +27 31 2060243



Ron and Suzee <atmanNOT@neta.com> wrote in article

<atmanNOT-2801981646360001@ppp-236-102.neta.com>...

> 

> Hi,

> i need help controlling my occasional bouts of

> hot yellow burning diarrhea that occurs about 

> once a week ... it's been going on for several

> months now

> other symptoms include hemorrhoids, fatigue,

> loose stools with undigested food (when it's

> not hot)

> 

> i've been taking a chinese patent formula

> (hemorrease by K'an for damp heat in the LI)

> with pomegranite, licorice and garlic 

> but it doesn't seem to be fixing it

> 

> is there anything that will cool this thing

> down for good??

> 

> thanks

> ron

> 





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Subject: Re: Garlic and Yeast (was Acidophillus)

From: "Lana Z." <zozu@excelsior.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:24:22 -0500

--------

I haven't bought any of those commercial candida medications in years.

Instead, you can take a few garlic capsules and squeeze the contents

onto the end of a tampon--that's if you want to get sophisticated. For

the no-frills version you can just thread a large needle with a strong

piece of thread, stick it through a peeled garlic clove, knot the ends

together and voila!--you're in business



Lana





Wendy J. Beible wrote in message <34CF5EE9.1B4E5D49@redrose.net>...

>I am not pregnant but going through menopause and keep getting yeast

>infections.  I have tried all the over-the-counter medicines plus I

have

>tried the prescription pills that are fairly new on the market.  It

>seems that it keeps reappearing.  Any

>suggestions from anyone?

>

>Wendy

>











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Subject: Children's Warts

From: mmjplummer@mindspring.com

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 20:36:41 -0600

--------

My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience). 

It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts. 

Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.



Please Help!!!



Mary Jane



mmjplummer@mindspring.com



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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: "josborn" <josborn@airmail.net>

Date: 29 Jan 1998 04:19:08 GMT

--------

Mary Jane wrote:



mmjplummer@mindspring.com wrote in article

<886039881.942407691@dejanews.com>...

> My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

> several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience). 

> It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

> on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

> eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

> anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts. 

> Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

> 5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.

> 

> Please Help!!!

> 

> Mary Jane



This might sound crazy, but my family has been curing warts for over 20

years with castor oil.   When I was young, I had a horrible problem with

warts.  Just like your son, I would have them removed, only to have them

sprout again right next to the old scar.  And it seemed a new wart appeared

every time I would touch a wart and touch myself somewhere else.  My

grandmother told my mother about the castor oil and she bought a bottle for

me.  My grandmother said to rub the castor oil on the warts three times a

day and "tell them to go away".  Don't know what that might have to do with

it except for a positive attitude and mind over matter.  It takes a while,

so don't be discouraged.  As I remember, in about 3-4 months I    was

wart-free.  



I have had my two daughters use this same remedy when they developed wart

problems and have used it myself since then.  Personally, I think what

chases the warts is covering them with the heavy oil so the virus cannot

"breathe".  Hope this helps!



Julie Osborn







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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: "Samios" <jsamios@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:37:07 -0500

--------

Mary Jane:



When I got warts on my feet, my mother threw out my sneakers and then made

sure that I never wore shoes without socks again (until I was a teenager and

refused to listen to her advice about clothes!).



She thought it was possible that the virus was "clinging" to the the

sneakers --  a lovely damp, dark place where icky things could easily grow.

I didn't have any further problems with warts.



If you have already disposed of the offending shoes, she also made me wash

my feet every night (For a while any way, until she deemed me "wart free").



I feel for your son, warts on the feet can really *hurt* due to all the

pressure on them.  Poor kid, I only had to have a couple removed, and I

remember how bad that was.



Hope something above helps.



Mary

mmjplummer@mindspring.com wrote in message

<886039881.942407691@dejanews.com>...

>My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

>several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience).

>It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

>on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

>eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

>anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts.

>Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

>5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.

>

>Please Help!!!

>

>Mary Jane

>

>mmjplummer@mindspring.com

>

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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: lauria@erato.usask.ca (Lauria Blackwell)

Date: 29 Jan 1998 16:17:23 GMT

--------

John (9) currently has a wart on his foot that is almost gone.

Our doctor sent us to see a skin specialist who has a neat treatment

that is quite painless and seems to be working.  The skin specialist

gave John a choice: quick and painful or slow and painless. He

chose slow and painless.  So now, John has to soak his foot in strong

tea (yes, really) every night for 15 minutes.  Every month we go

in to see the specialist and he taps on John's wart with a little

pointy hammer, to loosen the dead skin.  It's taken about three or

four months, but the wart is nearly gone - just a little black dot

left.  We're looking forward to stopping the treatment soon. It's 

been a lot cheaper and less painful than the other way.  Apparently

the mild acid in the tea is eating away at the wart.



Another folk remedy that I've heard of (my uncle says it worked for

his kids) is to get some really really really sticky gummy tape,

the kind that won't let air through, and tape over the wart with

several layers.  Change it as needed, but always quickly, so the

wart can't get oxygen.  Apparently the wart will turn black and

shrivel up and one day, when you change the tape, the whole wart

will come out, root and all.





In article <886039881.942407691@dejanews.com>,

	mmjplummer@mindspring.com writes:

> My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

> several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience). 

> It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

> on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

> eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

> anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts. 

> Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

> 5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.

> 

> Please Help!!!

> 

> Mary Jane

> 

> mmjplummer@mindspring.com

> 

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-- 

---------------------------------------------------

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/_ (_/ /_/ /~ / (_/        (Lauria@erato.usask.ca)

---------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: pandoc@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:56:11 -0800

--------

Lauria Blackwell wrote:



[edit]



> So now, John has to soak his foot in strong

> tea (yes, really) every night for 15 minutes.  



A tea from Chamomile might be best as it contains 

the antiviral compound umbelliferone.



The Cherokee used an infusion from the roots of

Passion fruit, however, I have been unable to

procure the root.  The flowering tops are readily 

available in health food stores and probably contain 

sufficient amounts of actives to produce results.



The Chamomile would probably be the most cost effective.



Good luck,



Charlie





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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: "Marie" <marie@vabch.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:03:04 -0500

--------

Hi.  While I was growing up, I had a huge wart on the underside of my right

big toe.  My mom used some kind of poison to "burn" it.  It didn't hurt when

she applied whatever it was, but a few days after, the wart was so painful I

could hardly walk.  But whatever my mom did worked because in a week, the

wart just fell off.  After a year though, I develop more warts on my foot,

literally covering the sole of my right foot,  although the wart that fell

off never came back.  They did go away eventually.  I guess I outgrew them.

I have been wart free eversince.



mmjplummer@mindspring.com wrote in message

<886039881.942407691@dejanews.com>...

>My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

>several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience).

>It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

>on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

>eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

>anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts.

>Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

>5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.

>

>Please Help!!!

>

>Mary Jane

>

>mmjplummer@mindspring.com

>

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To: Marie <marie@vabch.com>

Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: wwylde <wwylde@io-online.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 02:48:18 -0800

--------

place a slice of fresh garlic on the wart, held in place with a band-aid.  do 

this for 3 or 4 nights, just before bed.  it works!!

--wendy :)





Marie wrote:

> 

> Hi.  While I was growing up, I had a huge wart on the underside of my right

> big toe.  My mom used some kind of poison to "burn" it.  It didn't hurt when

> she applied whatever it was, but a few days after, the wart was so painful I

> could hardly walk.  But whatever my mom did worked because in a week, the

> wart just fell off.  After a year though, I develop more warts on my foot,

> literally covering the sole of my right foot,  although the wart that fell

> off never came back.  They did go away eventually.  I guess I outgrew them.

> I have been wart free eversince.

> 

> mmjplummer@mindspring.com wrote in message

> <886039881.942407691@dejanews.com>...

> >My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

> >several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience).

> >It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

> >on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

> >eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

> >anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts.

> >Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

> >5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.

> >

> >Please Help!!!

> >

> >Mary Jane

> >

> >mmjplummer@mindspring.com

> >

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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: gmc0@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:43:26 GMT

--------

"Marie" <marie@vabch.com> wrote:



>Hi.  While I was growing up, I had a huge wart on the underside of my right

>big toe.  My mom used some kind of poison to "burn" it.  It didn't hurt when

>she applied whatever it was, but a few days after, the wart was so painful I

>could hardly walk.  But whatever my mom did worked because in a week, the

>wart just fell off.  After a year though, I develop more warts on my foot,

>literally covering the sole of my right foot,  although the wart that fell

>off never came back.  They did go away eventually.  I guess I outgrew them.

>I have been wart free eversince.



Hi--



When I was a kid, I had a couple, too. I used a betadine salve

(iodine) on it, covered it with a bandaid morning and night. After

about 4-6 weeks and a lot of stained socks, the doctor just plucked it

out with a tweezers. Didn't hurt. They're gone! It's a bit of a pain

to do each day, but I think it's worth a try.



		George M. Carter









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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: karleking@aol.com (Karleking)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 14:02:18 GMT

--------

We've had good results daubing tea tree oil on them daily for about a week. 

Good luck.



Karen K.





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Subject: Re: Children's Warts

From: vnik@interlog.com (Vlad)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:59:59 GMT

--------

mmjplummer@mindspring.com wrote:



>My 8 year old son has a major wart problem on his feet.  We have had

>several warts removed by laser (painful and not a pleasant experience). 

>It seems as though each time we have them removed, he gets more of them

>on his feet.  I know that they say this is a virus and that he may

>eventually outgrow it; but I'm wondering if there is a vitamin, herb, or

>anything else that I can give him to build up his immunity to the warts. 

>Right now he has just had 9 taken off by laser on one foot and now he has

>5 on that foot again and 6 on the other foot.



>Please Help!!!



Here is something from one of my garlic books:



To treat either verucass or warts, first protect the surrounding skin

with vaseline.  Then cut a small slice of fresh garlic and apply it to

the offending excrescence ( I take it this mouthful means the wart, in

this case).  Cover with a plaster, and change daily until the verucca

or wart can be lifted out.



Haven't tried it myself, but now that you reminded me, I do have a

small wart on my thumb.  Guess I'll do as I preach and give it a try.



Good luck!  Hope it works or that you'll find something that does.  

I would really hate to see my 8 year old girl going through something

like this.



Vlad







==========

Subject: Cat's Claw

From: "Marcel" <caddy@worldonline.nl>

Date: 29 Jan 1998 09:22:10 GMT

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Hi everyone,

I am looking for people with cancer that tried Cat's Claw.

I want to ask them if they want to send me their expirience with the

product.

My father have cancer in the liver and i bought the Flor-Essance tea, the

Shark Cartiluage and pure Cat's Claw (1000mg).

He have already read a book about the tea and he have good hope of it,

yesterday i bougt the Cat's Claw but i want to let him read the expirience

of other people.

That will give him a positive mind.

Thanks a lot !!



Regards,

Marcel



( sorry for my bad English, i am from the Netherlands)





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Subject: Re: Cat's Claw

From: arcozon1@aol.com (Arcozon1)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 17:03:36 GMT

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I have heard to that Cat's Claw is a good herb for Cancer patients; however, I

do not have cancer, but I can tell you I have used cats claw for colds

(particularly for sore throats).  The quality of the cats claw is very

important. Does any one know of a company selling top quality cats claw?





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Subject: Re: Cat's Claw

From: spkknolwes@aol.com (Spkknolwes)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 19:27:34 GMT

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Cats Claw is also known as "una de gato" and some of the very best  comes from

the Amazon rainforest.  There is a company on the world wide web that gives

some great information about the herbs from the rainforest and some of its

healing effects.  You can view it at : 

http://www.galaxymall.com/commerce/rainforest





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Subject: Sepia

From: Elizwil@dingley.net

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:42:24 -0600

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Hi Kathie, am so pleased you have had success with Sepia for PMS.  Yes it

is great for many problems. I am a naturopath and a Homeopathic Physician

in Australia and perhaps I can offer a couple of suggestions. I think you

will find that your problem is because it is now in the wrong potency and

may even be the wrong remedy.  Every remedy has its action limited. 

Indeed, this is the essence of Homeopathy, the reason why we take it, the

way we take it.  It has probably done its job and now needs a change.  My

advice to you is to seek the advice of a professional homeopath who can

make this assessment correctly for you. Elizabeth Wilson.



-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------

      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet





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Subject: ORGAN TRANSPLANT RECIPIENTS AND HERBS

From: trans436@aol.com (TRANS436)

Date: 29 Jan 1998 18:47:22 GMT

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I am a heart transplant recipient. I have to take a lot of immuno supressant

medication. these meds are very strong and leave me not feeling so well. i also

take meds for gout and high blood pressure. 

Does anyone know if i can take herbs and what kinds i herbs i can take with

these types of medications. The medications are cyclosporin, cell cept,

prednesone, lasix, alopurinol, cordorone.

i would also like to be able to replace or suppliment some of my meds with

herbals

Any information would be appreciated

thanks





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Subject: One needs to be educated in herbs...

From: silver <silver@intnet.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:47 -0500

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I've read a few articles from people who've died while in alternative

treatments. There

could be several reasons why this is: Many people think in terms of

symptoms. Take

something for the symptom.



This,however,does not get to the 'source'. One needs to really be

educated in basic

functions of the body,herbs and what dosage is really needed to make

alternative/herbal

therapies work!! This is one of the most common errors people make!

Something

people don't think about is that over 90% of  the herbal pills/extracts

bought in stores

are VERY VERY WEAK,and will not be as effective!



Because of the poor diet/nutrition people are on today, to introduce

something that

can help the body fight itself,you need to add enough of it to work!

Also,knowledg

of what herbs complement and strengthen other herbs is extremely

important.(ex:

cayenne taken with an herb,say echinacea will drive the echinacea to the

area of

the body it needs it the most!!)



Please see and educate yourself with herbs/alternative treatments.

Ignorance is

deadly!! I've only just touched the surface of what my point is. Please

see this site

for more information.

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/



Hope I've helped!







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Subject: RE: Multinodal Goiter

From: preferreduser@olympus.com

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:12:21 GMT

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Any herbal recommendations for this condition.  Basicall Hypo and

Hyperthyroidism?



Thanks







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Subject: Re: Multinodal Goiter

From: zevaluz@amphigory.com (Zevaluz)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 02:29:04 GMT

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On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:12:21 GMT, preferreduser@olympus.com wrote:



>Any herbal recommendations for this condition.  Basicall Hypo and

>Hyperthyroidism?



I have a goiter that's not multi-nodular and my thyroid levels are

'normal' otherwise.



I take Pau d'Arco for it and find that it softens it more and makes it

smaller.



HOWEVER, I cannot find ANYWHERE any references on whether or not this

can be used when one is on oral contraceptives.  So I only use it 7

days out of the month - it does great during those 7 days, but not

using it the other 21 days basically negates the effects of it for me.



Other than that, I recommend just staying on your thyroid meds.

Whenever I take kelp or dulse, it gets *bigger* which isn't what is

supposed to happen, and I've tried this for long enough periods of

time that I've eliminated it as a 'healing crisis'.



Sorry I couldn't give you better advice - these are just my

experiences.  Read, read, read and hope that someone on this ng has

more advice for you.



Best Wishes!



--



Co-Owner of Amphigory - Gothic and Magickal

Emporium  http://www.amphigory.com/

astrologer, html-person, 'health nut'





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Subject: Re: HEARTBURN/Calcium

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 15:38:36 -0900

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I hope no one takes offense, but it is my understanding that TUMS contains calcium made from egg shells. Calcium carbonate is the most widely used form of calcium. Most brands are made from eggshells or oyster shells. 

Forms of calcium that are in a formula including an antacid are the worst forms to use. First, they are from a shell source, making them less soluble, and second, by reducing the acid in the stomach, you reduce the absorption of calcium.

A better calcium would be a liquid one.

How to increase the available calcium:

Take adequate Vitamin C, D, and magnesium.

Exercise

Eat nuts, legumes, sardines, oysters, soybeans, wheat germ, cabbage and turnip greens.

Take a supplement of 1000 to 1500 mg. a day.

--Must be absorbable by the body.

--No pressed tablets-these use shellac type substance to hold them together, and are indigestible.

--No Tums-the purpose of Tums is to stop digestion and allow whatever is in the stomach to pass on to the intestines. This includes calcium.

--Look for an easily absorbable liquid.

--Milk actually decreases the availability of calcium to the body (because of pasteurization.) Calves fed pasteurized milk will die in approximately 6 weeks.



Here are a few tips for heartburn:

-Catnip, fennel, ginger, marshmallow root, and papaya tea all aid in proper digestion and act as a buffer to stop heartburn.

-At the first sign of heartburn, drink a large glass of water. This often helps.

-Try raw potato juice. Do not peel the potato--just wash it and put it in a juicer. Mix the juice with an equal amount of water. Drink it immediately after preparation, three times a day.

-Change your eating habits. Eat more raw vegetables. Chew your food well. Eat slowly and enjoy your food.

-Sip 1 tablespoon of raw apple cider vinegar, mixed with a glass of water, while eating a meal. Do not drink any other liquids with meals.

-Eat fresh papaya and/or pineapple to aid digestion. Chew a few of the papaya seeds as well.

-Do not eat for three hours before bedtime. Wait at least three hours after eating before lying down.

-Do not consume carbonated beverages, fats, fried foods, processed foods, sugar or spicy or highly seasoned foods. These seem to be the main cause of heartburn.

-Try a fasting Detoxification program.

-Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 1 teaspoon of dried peppermint leaves. Let steep, covered, for 10 minutes. Sweeten with honey after straining. Drink warm, reheating as necessary to relieve heartburn.

-Try eating a bowl of oatmeal on a daily basis. Stops heartburn from occurring.

-Eating raw carrots or a stalk of celery after meals helps to stop heartburn.

-Try taking 1 tablespoon of brown sugar to relieve the pain of heartburn.



Hope one of these suggestions will help you out.



Kay

 



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: St. John's Wort-Hypericum perforatum

From: Burch <dburch@mail.teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:13:12 -0700

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Hello



We've posted a page with information on Hypericum perforatum, St John's

Wort.  It includes uses, actions and contraindications of hypericum. It

also has pictures of the plant.



You can veiw the page at

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hypericum.shtml



Best of Health

The Eclectic Physician





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Subject: Camomile tea allergy

From: "Tim" <tpowe02@emory.edu>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:40:38 -0500

--------



Just a word of caution.  I tried camomile tea and I am apparently

allergic to it.    I was itching and scratching for two days.   From what

I understand, camomile is a relative of the daisey, so those with

allergy problems to certain flowers should be cautious.



thanks,



-Tim











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Subject: Re: Shaklee ? Try Nutrilite

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:27:29 -0600

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Kelly Bennett wrote:

> 

> Before buying any vitamin, compare literature about the products.

> Nutrilite from Amway has great vitamins made from real plant 

> extracts.  My Mom and I live by them.

> Kelly



I paid the money to get the kit so I could investigate Amway from the 

inside.  Oh, yes, some people make tons of money.  It's selling the 

tapes and other 'motivational supplies' that makes the money.  I 

borrowed the tapes from my upline; most of the people who are making 

enough money in Amway to be generating the tapes for others to sell 

are, IMNSHO, serious wastes of protoplasm.  The kicker that got me 

out of Amway was the discovery that the topmost upline [thank the 

small powers, I have managed to forget his name] is a close personal 

friend of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker and provided them with studio 

space to continue broadcasting as their empire began to collapse.  

After I quit, the information came out about the insane amounts of 

money Amway and the Amway founders have given to the Republican 

Party.  This is not to slam anyone's personal politics, but I could 

not be any part of that kind of financial flimflammery.  The mental 

image of my percentages flowing upline to such use was intolerable.



-Kyra





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Subject: RE: sinus and hayfever

From: "Dr Stanley W Theron" <shaphan@global.co.za>

Date: 30 Jan 1998 11:10:37 GMT

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"The best place for sinus and hayfever in the world is Pretoria, South

Africa" - an aged phys-ther. who had studied in London and served the royal

family quoted these words to me in 1964 - from her lecturer now some 60-70

years ago. The reason: this beautiful Jacaranda city is situated between

mountain ranges, with a warm climate, many blossoming trees and shrubs and

little turbulence (wind). [Come visit us on a shoestring budget and see the

fauna and flora wonders of Africa, but dont stay for a bout of hayfever in

the spreing and summer!]



It is also established fact that dairy products can be quite a culprit but

there are scores of other causes of allergies, etc.



However, the chairman of the city-wide dairy product distributors (!) was

cured by sniffing seawater, and my son who hates Pretoria because of his

bouts of sinus has "emigrated" to the beautiful South Cape where he is a

scuba and commercial diver where he is not affected by sinus-hayfever - he

refuses to come back home!



The chief meteorologist from Namibia had severe bouts of sinus until one

cold winter he was out in  the veldt (savanna/prairie) without hot shaving

water. Since then he never allows warm or hot water on his face and has

successfully recommende his cure to more than one.



Stan Theron at Shaphan Institute where our first interest is helping folk

who are stressed and traumatised - "Shape up with Shaphan!"

shaphaninstitute@hotmail.com







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Subject: Odor of "Natural Product" advocates

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:03:13 GMT

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What's That Smell?



Someone who used supplements and natural health care

products once said that a friend noticed a certain odor

about her.  She noted that this was the smell of the

"granolas" (health food advocates) she knew in college.



I once proferred the notion that perhaps the turmeric she was 

supplementing at the time or other herb was causing it, and I 

still suspect supplementing certain B vitamins makes it worse.  

However, zinc, as contained in multis which administer B 

vitamins, fights this odor, so there is likely a wash on taking 

multivitamins.



I now think it is most likely from using "natural" soaps and 

shampoos.  They are made of fat, and will eventually build up 

enough to allow bacteria a medium for growth.  Using antiseptic 

shampoos with peppermint or esp tea tree oil or grapefruit 

extract will likely help some, but the amounts found in 

commercial products is probably not sufficient to make much of 

a difference.  Adding 10 drops or so extra per 8 ounces might 

be enough.  Using tea tree in this amount will impart its smell 

a bit, but grapefruit extract does not leave an odor plus seems 

to provide some "stripping action" to remove some of the fat.  



However, it is best to strip the fat well periodically or not 

allow it to build up.  The best remedy is to use Hulda Clark's 

recommendations of borax and citric acid solutions to wash the 

body and hair.  This will not leave a buildup. However, most 

people will not go through this hassle. I DO highly recommend 

it for those with serious or chronic disease who are believers 

in Hulda's recommendations about preventing absorbtion of 

petroleum derivatives and other toxins from health care 

products.





Using hypoallergenic baby shampoos and soap instead of ones 

made with  unprocessed fats and oils is a good way to prevent buildup.



These types appear to have the least amount of petroleum 

derivatives of commercial products.  Mennen Baby Shampoo and 

Johnson's Baby Soap for Sensitive Skin look like they have the 

safest ingredients.  



You can use these long term to prevent oil buildup if there are 

no maladies, use them periodically to remove it if you 

really like your natural soap, add grapefruit extract to 

natural liquid body soaps and shampoos, or best yet, use the 

borax/citric acid solutions periodically to strip or continuously.







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Subject: ??ANSWER FOR CANCER...

From: Martin Robbins ND <mrob@jheal/wash/nat.org>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:25:22 -0800

--------

Max wrote:

> 

> In article <34CF8CF5.7E9C@slip.net>, Phipps <mrphipps@slip.net> writes

> >Max wrote:



> This is probably true in medical terms. I have a belief that cancer is

> allowed to grow when the 10,000 cancer cells we produce daily failt to

> be removed from a malfunction. This malfunction probably allows many

> cancers to grow and if we can isolate what it is and get it to work

> properly, then the site of the cancer or the cause of the cancer or even

> hopefully the stage are not so important.



I believe you are mostly correct, however although many are inclined to

"simplify" 

this disease, and some maintain "there is only 1 cancer, it just exposes

itself in

different forms"...I only wish it were this simple.  The amount of

effort that 

has been expended to irradicate this most tragic disease is

incomprehensible.



There is an exponential number of factors that may predispose one's

cellular sequence

to mutate.  



The disruption of DNA replication or mRNA transcription or other

possible thimine

dimer induced damage, or a combination of all of these can be caused by

many individual

and combinations of factors.  While no one should stop asking.."why this

disease exists"

and "there must be an explination"; one must also give credence to the

innumerable hours that have been devoted to answering these questions.



> This is the key to finding a cure. To find why the body stops coping on

> its own.



Possibly so, however until this answer is discovered, one must attempt

to support 

the body, and (in light of the pain and suffering expierenced by those

afflicted) 

many times even adress the symptoms.



> There is little likelihood in the vast majority of cases, that the use

> of Chemo, hormones, surgery or radiation are likely to stimulate the

> body to normal functioning in the future. Quite the opposite.

> We can only hope that appart from researching these products that offer

> little long term survival (not just 2 or 5 years tables) and removing

> the tumor which is not the cause of the problem, science is also looking

> at the common causes. 



Different solutions for each individual case. Although I believe that I

have assisted quite a few terminally diagnosed paitents (some with quite

extensive metastatic disease

@ multiple sites), one never knows if the therapy (mostly non-invasive

or "non-toxic")

is what allowed these written off folks to live their remaining years

"disease free".

Was it "spontanious healing"? Or did the therapy assist?...Is it

important for them to

know?...          I don't think so.



My best is with you, 



M.Robbins N.D.





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Subject: Re: NEW NATURAL TAXOL (FOR CANCER)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:34:50 -0500

--------

Martin Robbins ND wrote in message <6as4mo$jpq$1@newsfep4.sprintmail.com>...

>

>RESEARCH COMPANY HAS DEVELOPED EXTRACTION PROCESS FOR DETOXIFICATION OF

>THE YEW TREE (WHERE TAXOL IS DERIVED FROM).

>

>IT IS NON-TOXIC TO "NORMAL" CELLS), WHILE CONTAINING MULTIPLE "ACTIVE"

>COMPOUNDS, WITH SPECIFIC AFFINITY FOR MUTAGENIC ("CANCER") CELLS, AND

>IMMUNE BUILDING PHYTOCHEMICALS.

>

>THE YEW HAS BEEN USED FOR ETHNOMEDICINAL PURPOSED FOR CENTURIES, SO THE

>





Odd.  I was under the impression that Yew was just considered to be a

dangerously poisonous plant.  At least, I was told the "berries" of English

Yew (another Taxus) had caused poinonings in children, and that it was a

poor choice for a landscape plant for this reason.



>        "NEW MIRACLE DRUG IN CANCER THERAPY"

>

>WAS BEING USED LONG BEFORE ANY WHITE MAN SET FOOT IN THIS COUNTRY.

>

>This Botanical Extract will soon be available to the Medical Profession.

>The same heterogeneous source produced the drug TAXOL which has been

>called "THE MOST EXCITING ANTI-CANCER DRUG in DECADES".  The difference

>is between the two is:

>

>The Extract contains multiple  "active" compounds, and virtually none of

>the toxic alkaloid present in the pharmaceutical "Drug" used in

>Chemotherapy.





So, in other words, the one component, TAXOL, that has proven to be active,

has been removed?  This stuff is the virtual chemical soup that's left over?



>This is a result of the complicated proprietary extraction process used

>by the manufacturer.





I'll bet it's *really* complicated, so complicated in fact that neither you

nor they actually have any idea just what's in the resulting "extract".



>Many botanicals (as those who keep updated with the FDA and NIH etc, are

>aware of) will soon be accepted into the western medical philosophy, (at

>least by those wise enough to understand their value) as prescription

>Drugs.  (As they currently are in Europe and many other countries.)

>

>This particular botanical has been in use Ethnomedically for centuries.





Are you saying that the native Pacific Northwest tribes came up with this

"complicated proprietary extraction process" that removed all the TAXOL and

left all the other inactive compounds intact, and used it as medicine?  Now,

why do I doubt that...



>Additionally it has been used by a select group of Naturopathic and

>alternative practitioners over the last five years (with I might add,

>Very encouraging results and virtually NO reported toxicity!).  Daily

>usage is estimated at well over one thousand. Including many late stage

>patients at a well known alternative clinic with 50+ years of history.





I'll bet it WAS select... You and WHO else, exactly.  Where are the

references?  Hell, I'd even like to see some "unsolicited testamonials" of

people who have actually been help by this mysterious compound...taken from

double-blind tests, of course.



>The product is called Naturo-Chem Yew tree extract. You may write to

>them at:

>

>                PO Box 2176 Dublin CA.

>

>To inquire about the pending regulatory approval of this truly unique

>product.

>Product is currently offered as a "nutriceutical dietary suppliment"

>under DSHEA





So,in other words, there IS NO "regulatory approval" involved (other than

showing the recommended dose doesn't cause immediate death), is there.  NO,

there isn't.  There is no regulatory requirement for any "dietary

supplement" to show that it is of any benefit whatsoever for anything or

anyone.



>As indicated by the recent "hype" regarding ginko and St. johns

>wart...Botanicals have many synergistic components.





That so-called "hype" is backed up by research showing biological activity

for the so called "synergistic" components in both of the herbs you mention;

where is yours?





>Although most "Organic" therapeutic products do not pack the WHALLOP of

>single agent chemodrugs, in many cases less - may possibly may be

>better.  In particular when quality of life is of  strong consideration.





What do you mean by "Organic"?  Do you mean grown organically?  I haven't

seen any special claims of effectiveness made for organically-grown herbs

outside of their freedom from pesticide residues.  The only other commonly

recognized use of the term "organic" is as "organic compounds" in "organic

chemistry", and that mearly refers to the large class of carbon compounds

which may or may not be of biologic origin.  And I really think most

candidates for this particular type of quakery are more interested in

staying alive than placebos to make them feel better.



>Many natural botanicals and herbs have a number of "active" components

>in addition to beneficial phytochemicals usually ignored because of the

>lack of patentability and marketing rights.





Secondary "active" components are no more or less patentable than the

primary or most active component.  With herbs, it is generally the processes

of extraction and preparation that are patentable and represent the

potential for profit.  Uh...you don't by any remote chance have a *patent*

on this extraction process, huh?



>I have experienced this disease as both  husband and son; as well as

>physician and advise a manageable combination of "conventional western

>medicine" with useful herbal and other beneficial medicine as the

>condition merits.





Excuse me again.  WHICH "disease" are you referirng to?  "Cancer" is not a

disease - it is a class into which a number of distinctly different diseases

are placed primarily on the basis of certain similarities of their

symtomology, NOT on their causes, modes of action, methods of propagation,

etc.



>Should the paitent elect to forgo additional recommended modalities,

>those involved should respect such a choice.





So they should "forgo" treatment that, in many cancers, has been proven to

save lives and *eliminate* the cancer, to try some unproven, unnamed,

untested, unknown chemical soup that has been purged of the one anticancer

component it might have claimed?  This is worse than bullshit, this is

attempted murder.



>My best is with you,





Your wallet, you mean.



>M.Robbins N.D.





>NOTE:  above are not my recommendations only personal opinions, anyone

>with a medical necessity should seek out examination of a qualified

>medical professional of his, or her choice.  I assume no liability for

>product(s) mentioned above.  If I mention a product, I HAVE USED IT, in

>practice or personally.  M. Robbins N.D.





I'll BET you claim "no liablilty", you are just a PUSHER of false dreams to

desparate people.



>btw mail will not respond



First you don't even have the GUTS to accept responsibility for your

recommendation, now you won't accept mailed responses to your BULLSHIT.

Keep your #@%*&^ asinine posts off our newsgroup!



-RJO











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Subject: entire lining of lungs inflamed

From: "Sionach" <buttercup@mid.igs.net>

Date: 30 Jan 1998 18:01:28 GMT

--------





Please help.

My sister has been diagnosed with inflammation throughout lungs. She has

lots of congestion and discomfort.  She is mid 30s, non smoker, vegetarian,

fit.

18 months ago her right lung stopped working, it is crumpled up in her

chest cavity, supposedly the result of some wierd problem with her

diaphragm.  Now she is being told that she needs to start on steroids

because of this inflammation throughout

respiratory system.

Any suggestions most welcome.

Thankyou. 





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Subject: Hairy Waybread

From: ashke <ashke@EriNet.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:51:16 -0500

--------

Hello!  I was researching an old, old book that had herbal remedies in

it, and I came across the name for an herb called "Hairy Waybread".

Apparently this is an Old English folkname for some herb....however, I

cannot find any reference to that name in my other  herb books. Can

someone help me figure out what plant this is??







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Subject: Re: Hairy Waybread

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 29 Jan 1998 14:14:01 -0700

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ashke <ashke@EriNet.com> wrote:



>Hello!  I was researching an old, old book that had herbal remedies in

>it, and I came across the name for an herb called "Hairy Waybread".

"Waybread" (literal translation: broad leaved plant by the side

of the path)  is a very obsolete English term for a "plantain"

... the fuzzy, broad-leaved plant.  Also calle Wayburn, wabret,

waveren, etc.  It is probably Plantago major.  



(the Oxford English Dictionary has all sorts of old terms)

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: herbs for nerve problems

From: Micheal Rhian Driscoll <musket@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 14:20:12 -0500

--------

can anyone advise me concerning herb treatments for nerve disorders. if

no cure, at least some aid?







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for nerve problems

From: kcarter952@aol.com (KCarter952)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 05:00:24 GMT

--------

>(Mark Charles wrote:



>I've had nerve problems & Kava Kava has helped me alot. I also have

>changed my diet too because I noticed my condition is effected by what I

>eat



I have used Valerian root every 21 days with a week off

and also Skullcap for the one week. Cammomile is help-

ful to some and Rosemary is very good for the nerves.I'm

hoping to try the Kava Kava soon to see how it works for

me. Too much sugar is bad for the nerves it destroys the

B vitamins which are also necessary for good nerve health.

Taking a good B-complex with all the B's is helpful.



Take care.

CE-CE





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Subject: Royal Jelly

From: jeffl@oilspill.state.ak.us (Jeff Lawrence)

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:40:30 GMT

--------

Has anyone tried using Royal Jelly (supposedly used to increase energy

levels)?   The stuff is very expensive & is said to take up to 3

months before any noticable affects.  Is it worth it?





==========

Subject: Re: Royal Jelly

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 30 Jan 1998 18:07:01 -0700

--------

jeffl@oilspill.state.ak.us (Jeff Lawrence) wrote:



>Has anyone tried using Royal Jelly (supposedly used to increase energy

>levels)?   The stuff is very expensive & is said to take up to 3

>months before any noticable affects.  Is it worth it?



If you are a bee larva, it's great stuff.  Royal Jelly comes and

goes out of fashion ... you would be better off spending the

money on improving your overall diet, exercising moderately, and

laying off the fast foods.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Cure everything  (was: CURE CANCER!!)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 17:19:37 -0500

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Russ Turpin wrote in message <6at3sd$3kb$1@kodak.rdcs.Kodak.COM>...

>Some would question whether the planet can sustain the strain

>of *current* technology and lifestyles.  Nonetheless, the

>goal of medical practitioners should be to keep people

>healthy and alive as long as possible.  Anyone who is

>uncomfortable with that goal should work in other fields!





I do.  I'm a systems analyst (fancy name for computer programmer/fixer/etc.)

with degrees in biology and horticulture.  Herbs, herbal medicine, and

natural healing have been a hobby (what an insufficient word - obsession

might be closer) of mine for 30+ years.  But I feel deeply when people are

in pain, or when illness cuts short or makes miserable the life of someone

who by today's standards should have years of life's experiences left to

them.  I personally don't see the point of living forever in *this* body -

mine's got too much wear and tear on it already (and I'm just 48) from auto

accidents, misuse, etc.  The very *idea* of living 600 years in the same

carcass gives me the creeps.  But then, I happen to believe we come back.  I

mean, I *know* I've been here before - I keep meeting people I already have

karmic ties to.  I don't take that as a reason to blow off the body I've

been given (lent); I believe we're supposed to take the chance for learning

while it's available, and it's true that, even if we last for infinity,

every moment we're given is fleeting and will never return.



And I agree with you that current technology (and population) has placed a

terrible strain on the planet.  It seems such a shame to me that we have the

means to make our cities beautiful and pleasant places to live and our rural

areas places where agricultural productivity and the magic of unspoiled

nature could both have a place (though not the *same* place, perhaps), and

yet we are so selfish (as a society and as individuals) that our wants

outway our compassion for those with nothing, and even our common sense for

our own *true* welfare, which in the end is completely dependent on the

continued "health" of our planet.  Let's face it, a new car or boat isn't

going to be much fun if the only places you can drive it are s__t holes, if

you can't get out and stretch or have a picnic because there's no place

worth going to do it, if you have to worry every time you drop a line in the

water about what that fish has been swimming in.  There *has* been progress

on a lot of fronts, and individual victories - more clean rivers and lakes,

cleaner air in some cities (at least relative to what it *used* to be).  But

those little bits of progress are so fragile, so easily swept away in the

name of "progress", which all too often turns out to be another word meaning

"line some rich bastard's wallet" (or substitute "dishonest politician" if

you want).



Oops, sorry, I'm preaching again.  I really have to quit doing that, going

off on tangents...



-RJO











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Subject: Epilepsy

From: Stephen Petrin <sepetrin@snet.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:29:45 -0500

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My daughter was recently diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and I am

inquiring if there is an herb that has been used to aleviate this

condition?



--

sepetrin@snet.net









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Subject: Re: Epilepsy

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:36:01 GMT

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>My daughter was recently diagnosed with temporal lobe epilepsy and I am

>inquiring if there is an herb that has been used to aleviate this

>condition?



>--

>sepetrin@snet.net



Valerian, skullcap, and probably some of the other sedative/antispasmodic-

type herbs (passionflower, kava kava?) have anticonvulsant effects in

animal studies and/or have traditionally been used as a treatment for

epilepsy. Some nutrients also show signs of being useful for epilepsy:

GABA, taurine, vitamin B6, magnesium, tryptophan, and probably others.

This is off topic, but British researchers have published at least

one placebo-controlled trial (Egger et al., Journal of Pediatrics, January

1989) appearing to demonstrate that commonly eaten foods trigger seizures

in many epileptic children -- in other words, in some children (and

probably adults) food allergy manifests neurologically as epilepsy.  Some

doctors -- "clinical ecologists" and their predecessors -- have long

claimed this to be the case.





Syd







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Subject: Bloodroot for mole removal

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:09:44 -0600

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In Dr. Andrew Weil's book Spontaneous Healing, he talks of using a

Bloodroot paste to remove moles. Has anyone tried this? If so, please

post your experiences.   Thanks,Mark





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Subject: Marijunas effects on Parkinsons

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 19:19:39 -0600

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Has anyone here known anybody with Parkinsons disease who has tried

Marijuana to see if it would help them?





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Subject: Re: herbs 4 all!

From: "slade or kay henson" <noway.nohow@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:20:43 -0900

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Hi Jean,

You mentioned that you train and teach. Who does this? Do you earn a degree? Do you have courses in Herbology, Anatomy, Biology, Physiology, Nutrition, etc? Is this an MLM?

I'm curious in this information. I live fairly near you, in Lake Geneva, and am in the process of a business deal in which I will opening my Alternative Health Clinic. I know I am the only Alternative Health professional in my area down here. There is one Holistic Clinic, but the doctor who ran it was forced to leave the country. There is a Holistic Chiropractor, and 3 Acupuncturists in this area. I am the only Nutrition Consultant and Herbalist I know of in the area.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: A Better Life For Diabetic's

From: olfactory@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:51:54 -0500

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I was at a yard sale looking around when I spied this Old Book it was

called what is in Subject, The Main Ingredient's in this Old but Tested

out for over 2 Years by Me. Let me Explain I was going on 49 Years of

Age,

Disabled from a Road Accident Overweight and Diabetic, Well I Bought

that Book for 25c, then I decided it was for me I thought about the 426

MG/DL Glucose Reading and the 472 Lbs I weighed. Within 1 Year of taking

the ingredients I stopped Injecting Isulin.which was 70/30 Human

Insulin, at 2 injections of 100 Units or 1 cc. 

With the Grace of God here is my Story, Judge me for going Public on a

Book that a certain Orgaization Thought that all Copies of this book

Published in 1933 were destroyed, All but one, that was in someone Attic

for 63 Years. That I came along and Found,Realizing from reading it I

could Possibly Change my Life The Doctor's Formula started out with A

Mineral Called Chromium GTF (Glucose Tolerance Factor)

And a new Strain of Ginsing, Called Siberian

Bilberry Extract for you Eyes and Cayenne

That helps circulation down to the Feet with a "Warming Effect". It

started Like this You Take 200 Micrograms or Mcg (Here is the Table of

Concentraitions, There are 1,000 Mcg's to One MilliGrams or MG, There

are 1,000 Milligrams to 1 Gram and there are 28.31 Grams to a an

Ounce. So in looking Back Taking 200 Mcg (micrograms) of Chromium GTF,

500 MG of Siberian Ginsing (an Aptogen), 60 MG of Bilberry, and 100 MG

of Cayenne(Capisicum

is the other Name it is associated with), I began taking the Ingredients

with the Doctor's Warning it would be 2 Weeks before my body would

assimilate itself, then after 2 weeks as the Doctoor had said my

Appetite was being Reduced and my Blood Sugar was Going Down

 After 6 Weeks the Dosage of the Chromium was upped to 400

Mcg's(Micrograms) and I readily loss my appetite and started usuing my

Body Fat as the Catalyst of the Energy Source.

After another 6 Weeks my Chromium GTF was

upped to 600 McG and I was on a happy note my Blood Glucose reading

Daily was going Down and So was my Weight(Remember, at the Beginning I

said I was Disabled, sitting on a chair in my living Room)was Coming

Down, remembering I was a 10XL or 66" Waist, I continued  upping the

Chromium GTF every 6 Weeks until I hit 1,000 Micrograms or 1 Milligram

of Chromium.



2 Years after Implimenting the Doctors Better way of LIfe for Diabetics,

I am now getting an average 94 MG/DL   426-94= An unbelieveable Drop of

332 MG/Dl that I lost, and in the Weight Department. I had gone From

472-237Lbs =

235Lbs of Flab sitting in my Easy Chair, No Exercise was Done, as I have

Asthma. That is my Story, How Much that 25c Book made me Feel Absolutely

Great, I had done what what Medically in modern Medicine Couldn't to the

Medical Establishment Said couldn't Be Done.



Today January 29, I  know of 2.436 Diabetics using the Good Doctor's

Formula. Supposebly obliterated by Whomever Profited from Diabetic

Medicine, Insulin Makers, Syringe Makers who knows, But The Lord seen

that one Copy of the Great Doctors Book was being Sent to All Peoples of

the Earth and this time than can't stop what made it all possible my

reading of that Book and the sense of Trying Something that the Doctor

had said, A Better Life for Diabetics. This Marks the 4th Time I have 

Posted this Same maybe not exactly, but 

Essentially the Same Formula, and it's taking off like Wild Fire, No

more Syringes,or Insulin,

No more 472Lbs and No more 426MG/Dl. I 

am having a Better Life as a Diabetic.

 



MAY GOD BLESS- Last words, from every Performance, Who Never used a

Dirty word In His Life-Comedian, Red Skelton

                                   As Always, John





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Subject: Re: Yeast Infection Home remedies

From: Margaret.@mailexcite.com

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:14:23 GMT

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On 30 Jan 1998 02:52:46 GMT, "Kelly Bennett" <kbennett@provide.net>

wrote:



>Sounds weird.  Garlic as a alternative to Monistat...Wow.  Anyone else

>heard of this?



Yeah, I thought it sounded really weird when I first heard about it

also.  I had a reoccurring yeast problem and found this to be an

excellent web site with alternative remedies.

I tried using a couple of the remedies and have had excellent results.



http://www.msu.edu/user/eisthen/yeast/yourself.html



Hope this helps :-]



bella



-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Rheumatoid Arthritis & Herbs

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:34:34 -0800

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Hi Everyone!

    I have rheumatoid Arthritis(RA). If anyone else reading this has found

herbs that help, please, let me know?

    I take grapeseed extract, primrose oil, garlic, & other herbs. And I do

better with the herbs I take (& my vegan diet), than when the drs had me on

prednisone, gold injections, methotrexate, etc., etc.

    While there may not be a cure, at least now I know I won't drop dead

from the suppression drugs!

    It seems to me that building up the immune system works better overall,

than treating the symptoms with Rx meds which ALL tear down the immune

system...

    All suggestions are welcome.  Thank you.



Anna Wolf











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Subject: Re: Tincture (how to make)questions

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Jan 1998 01:48:00 -0700

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markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles) wrote:



>I am reading a book by Dr. Schulze & he says to make the tinctures on

>the New Moon then let them sit until the full moon. What is the reason

>for this? 

  He believes in astrology.  There is no pharmaceutical reason to

let a tincture sit for a partial lunar cycle.  Two weeks is a

long time to be extracting.



>Also, is Vodka the best alcohol to use?   Thanks, Mark 

  The best alcohol would be pharmaceutical grade ethanol of 190

proof, or 95% alcohol.  You might be able to get it from a

pharmacy.

    Next best is a cheap drinking alcohol called "Everclear"

which can be found in liquor stores.  It has the highest proof of

the readily available alcohols.  I haven't seen the percents on

it, but I've heard that it is about 80-85% (160-170 proof)

  Vodka, depending on the brand, runs from 40-60% alcohol.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: echinacea use in children

From: "mkwarren" <mkwarren@pcfl.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:59:17 -0500

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A friend of mine would like to know if it is safe to use Echinacea extract

in proportional doses for her 2 year old son.  Please reply by e-mail or

post to newgroup.  Thanks!









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To: mkwarren <mkwarren@pcfl.net>

Subject: Re: echinacea use in children

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:28:09 -0600

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mkwarren wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine would like to know if it is safe to use Echinacea

> extract in proportional doses for her 2 year old son.  Please reply 

> by e-mail or post to newgroup.  Thanks!



Your health food store will have echinacea formularies specifically

proportioned for children.  There's a bottle of Nutrition Now Dino

Echinacea in my cabinet right now.



-Kyra





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Subject: St. John's Wort/Valerian root

From: James Zeirke <jzeirke@execpc.com>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:12:21 -0600

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Is there any problems or conflicts with taking both St. John's Wort and

Valerian root.  I have troubles with depression and also have anxiety

attacks so I take both right now.  But, I was wondering if one might be

cancelling out the other?

-- 

Jim Zeirke

Firefighter-Chaplain, City of Waukesha Fire Dept.

Member--Federation of Fire Chaplains 

Caver--Wisconsin Speleological Society



Read: Revelations 1:5b-6





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/Valerian root

From: darrinh@ibm.net (Darrin)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:30:18 GMT

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On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:12:21 -0600, James Zeirke <jzeirke@execpc.com>

wrote:



>Is there any problems or conflicts with taking both St. John's Wort and

>Valerian root.  I have troubles with depression and also have anxiety

>attacks so I take both right now.  But, I was wondering if one might be

>cancelling out the other?

 Although SJW is great, I find Valerian useless. You might want to try

Kava Kava. It seems to be a mild relaxant.



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/Valerian root

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:36:04 GMT

--------

>Is there any problems or conflicts with taking both St. John's Wort and

>Valerian root.  I have troubles with depression and also have anxiety

>attacks so I take both right now.  But, I was wondering if one might be

>cancelling out the other?

>--

>Jim Zeirke

>Firefighter-Chaplain, City of Waukesha Fire Dept.

>Member--Federation of Fire Chaplains

>Caver--Wisconsin Speleological Society



>Read: Revelations 1:5b-6



I'm pretty sure there are no known adverse interactions (the two are

combined in some commercial products).  One possible caution: as a

"downer," in theory too much valerian might worsen a person's

depression.  But then the SJW (which apparently is prescribed in Germany

for anxiety disorders in its own right) might also protect against such a

reaction.  Combining nervines like valerian and SJW is a common practice

among herbalists in every culture I know of.  Hopefully there are no

significant hidden hazards.



Syd



                                     ****



                                  Syd Baumel

      Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing Inc., 1995)







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Subject: Re: Need Advice:  Foot Odor

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 19:34:49 GMT

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"Joan" <jfdade@Cybernex.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions about what to use to eliminate foot odor? 

>Our son showers every day and wears two pairs of cotton socks to absorb the

>perspiration, and nothing makes a difference.



As the other poster noted, ensure that the shoes can "breath" and

are not trapping moisture.



Ensure dietary adequate intake of zinc, first (multivitamin, pumpkin

seeds, oysters are about best source).  Probably using a lot to

produce all those raging hormones.  



Also, get zinc oxide powder from a pharmacy.  Comes in pounds of

powder (about $10), and if they don't have it, they can order it.

Then, mix a couple ounces of  powder with equal amount of 

cornstarch or baking soda (see which works best), put in a 

shaker, and dust daily.

 

Large amounts of cornstarch can turn mushy with 

excessive sweat.  Powder can also be used as underarm deodorant, and 

is more effective when preceded by a splash of vodka or other grain

alcohol (add grapefruit extract, tea tree oil, or sage oil if you

don't want anyone drinking it.)



Instead, can use commercial deodorant or antiperspirant.  

My current favorites are Weleda Citrus and Weleda Sage deodorants, and

both also have antiperspitant action, sage a bit stronger.  Weleda is

one of the few manufacturers that does not use petroleum derivatives

in their deodorants (also AlVera  and a few others in health food

stores).



Common kitchen herbs can help, if you can't or won't buy the products

above.  Fine powdered sage, thyme, or rosemary would all help.



turf





