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From: "Igor Pechersky" <igor_p@luckynet.co.il>

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Hi,

Does anybody have some information about "Gat", herb of North Africa and/or

South Aravia origin, known as stimulator of mental activity?



--

Igor Pechersky







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Are you sure you are spelling it right? Do you have any info on the

Genus species?



Igor Pechersky wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> Does anybody have some information about "Gat", herb of North Africa and/or

> South Aravia origin, known as stimulator of mental activity?

> 

> --

> Igor Pechersky



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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"Igor Pechersky" <igor_p@luckynet.co.il> wrote:



>Hi,

>Does anybody have some information about "Gat", herb of North Africa and/or

>South Aravia origin, known as stimulator of mental activity?



Gat, kat, ghat, khat, cafta - Catha edulis, sometimes called

Arabian tea.  A tropical shrub of Africa.  The leaves are used to

prepare a beverage similar to tea or coffee.



  I don't have any information on the chemical makeup of the

plant, but I would assume it's probably another caffeine source.



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Not caffeine.  I have read the active compound is a chemical relative of

ephedrine, much more potent (and potentially dangerous) than caffeine.  The

plant is grown by some as a rather attractive shrub in south Florida, where

it is evergreen.



-Rich



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35728c78.1335083@news.primenet.com>...

>"Igor Pechersky" <igor_p@luckynet.co.il> wrote:

>

>>Hi,

>>Does anybody have some information about "Gat", herb of North Africa

and/or

>>South Aravia origin, known as stimulator of mental activity?

>

>Gat, kat, ghat, khat, cafta - Catha edulis, sometimes called

>Arabian tea.  A tropical shrub of Africa.  The leaves are used to

>prepare a beverage similar to tea or coffee.

>

>  I don't have any information on the chemical makeup of the

>plant, but I would assume it's probably another caffeine source.







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"Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Not caffeine.  I have read the active compound is a chemical relative of

>ephedrine, much more potent (and potentially dangerous) than caffeine.  The

>plant is grown by some as a rather attractive shrub in south Florida, where

>it is evergreen.



  Thanks - I've made a note to avoid it!





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--

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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35736410.4109760@news.primenet.com>...

>  Thanks - I've made a note to avoid it!

Thank you for your help.

BTW, meanwhile I found several academic publications on gat/khat/cot:



Braenden, O. J. (1979) Research on the chemical composition of khat, in

Harris LS (ed) Problems of drug dependence,

1979. NIDA Res Monograph 27:320-321



Drake, P. H. (1988) Khat-chewing in the Near East. Lancet 1(Mar 5):532-533

ElGuindy M. K. Effects of Catha edulis (Khat) chewing on human body. J

Egyptian Med Assoc 54(4):230-234



Geisshusler S.; Brenneisen, R. (1987) The content of psychoactive

phenylpropyl and phenylpentenyl khatamines

in Catha edulis Forsk. of different origin. J Ethnopharmacol 19:269-277



Giannini A. J., Burge H., Shaheen J. M., Price W. A. (1986) Khat: Another

drug of abuse?

J Psychoactive Drugs 18(2):155-158



Kalix P. (1984) Amphetamine psychosis due to khat leaves. Lancet 1(8367):46



Kalix P. (1987) Khat: Scientific knowledge and policy issues. Br J Addiction

82:47-53



Kalix P. (1988) Khat: A plant with amphetamine effects. J Substance Abuse

Treatment 5:163-169



Kalix P. (1991) The pharmacology of psychoactive alkaloids from ephedra and

catha. J Ethnopharmacol 32(1-3):201-208



Kalix P., Braenden, O. (1985) Pharmacological aspects of the chewing of khat

leaves. Pharmacol Review 37(2):149-164



Khan, I., Hughes, P. H. (1979) Assessment of public health and social

problems associated with khat chewing, in Harris LS

(ed) Problems of drug dependence, 1979. NIDA Res Monograph #27:316-317



Khan, I., Kalix, P. (1984) Khat, a plant with amphetamine-like effects.

Trends Pharmacol Sci 5:326-328



Krikorian, A. D., Getahun, A. (1973) Khat: Coffee's rival from Harar,

Ethiopia. II. Chemical composition.

Economic Botany 27:378-389 (see also 21:358-370)



Kristiansson, B., Eriksson, M. (1985) [Effects of khat on health: A South

Arabian stimulant with increasing consumption]

Lakartidningen 82(52):4590-4592



Szendrei K.  (1980) The chemistry of khat. Bulletin on Narcotics 32:5-35



Randall T. (1993) Khat Abuse Fuels Somali Conflict, Drains Economy. JAMA Jan

6, 1993 Vol 269, No. 1, p.12-15









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In article <6kva87$u3k@obi-wan.fdt.net>,

Richard Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

>Not caffeine.  I have read the active compound is a chemical relative of

>ephedrine, much more potent (and potentially dangerous) than caffeine.  The

>plant is grown by some as a rather attractive shrub in south Florida, where

>it is evergreen.



The compound is cathinone, which is identical to

amphetamine except for having an extra keto group

at one position.  It's a little stronger than

amphetamine because of this difference.  The methylated

form, methcathinone, has been illegal since a 1994

Emergency Scheduling Order.  I guess somebody was

found synthesizing it.



In the form of leaves, it can be chewed for a drug

effect, but you really have to chew a lot of leaves.

One scientific paper I have refers to it as a goat-like

habit.





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ok... found it. This from the Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants by

Chevallier.



Catha edulis (Khat, Catha)

Description:Tree growing to 50'. Has reddish twigs, oval leathery

leaves, and small yellow or white flowers.



Habitat & Cultivation:Native to the Middle East and the Horn of Africa,

it prefersgrassland and arid conctions. It is cultivated in Ethiopia,

Somalia, East Africa, and the Arabian Peninsula.



Parts used: Leaves, twigs



Constituents: Khat containes alkaloids similar to those in Ephedra spp.

- norpseudoephedrine (up tp 1%) and ephedrine, tannins, and a volatile

oil. Ephedrine-type alkaloids strongly stimulate the central nervous

system, are anti-allergenic, and suppress the appetite.



History/Folklore: Khat is taken in some African and Middle Eastern

countries as a stimulant, tonic, and appetite suppressant. Infused,

smoked, or chewed, khat produces an effect somewhat similar to that of

coca leaves. Whether khat is addictive is unclear, but withdrawal can

produce lethargy.



Medicinal Actions & Uses:Mainly used as a social drug, khat is also

chewed fresh or taken in an infusion to treat ailments such as malaria.

In Africa, it is taken in old age, stimulating and improving mental

function. Khat is used in Germany to counter obesity.



Cautions: Khat may cause headaches, raised blood pressure, and general

overstimulation if used more than a few weeks at a time. Do not take

during pregnancy.



Hope this helps.



Igor Pechersky wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> Does anybody have some information about "Gat", herb of North Africa and/or

> South Aravia origin, known as stimulator of mental activity?

> 

> --

> Igor Pechersky



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  What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark





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Mark Ayash wrote in message <3571CDD1.59965DF@bellsouth.net>...

>  What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

>allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark

>



Mark, and just what did you think was causing the stuffiness and congestion?

Yep, you got it, there are allergens which irritate the membranes.   It is

just a matter of the severity.   I could let you know about my favorite

sinus remedies here, which have helped me rather a lot.



#1  Go to the drugstore and buy a product called "Alkalol"  it is a nasal

rinse which cuts the stuffy mucus and rinses away the allergens like pollen

and dust etc.   Use it twice a day, both morning and especially in the

evening.   It helps a lot.



#2  The following herbs taken in tincture form at bedtime help a lot.



10 drops of Golden Seal

10 drops of Echinacea

10 drops of Astragalus

10 drops of Nettle



Put those into a little glass with a bit of water, and sip it slowly at

bedtime.   It will help a lot with sinus infections and stuffiness.



#3  Cut out or severely limit your dairy intake.   Dairy products seem to

irritate and make sinus and nasal stuffiness much worse.



Good Luck.



Evelyn











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The reason I don't think I have allergies is I can go out of town and

nothing changes. I live in Atlanta and I went to Southern Calf for 2

weeks and it didn't change. I don't really have dripping it just feels

like my nose is swollen shut part of the way. Another weird thing is I

get headaches before and during rain a lot of the times. I have started

taking garlic but only a small amount and haven't noticed that much

difference. What about these products called clear lung that claim to

flush out the upper respiratory system?



Thanks again for the input





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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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In article <3571FC39.6EBA6399@bellsouth.net>, Mark Ayash

<mayash@bellsouth.net> wrote:



#The reason I don't think I have allergies is I can go out of town and

#nothing changes. I live in Atlanta and I went to Southern Calf for 2

#weeks and it didn't change. I don't really have dripping it just feels

#like my nose is swollen shut part of the way. Another weird thing is I

#get headaches before and during rain a lot of the times. I have started

#taking garlic but only a small amount and haven't noticed that much

#difference. What about these products called clear lung that claim to

#flush out the upper respiratory system?

#

#Thanks again for the input



Regardless of what 'remedies' are taken for sinus congestion (chronic), unless

one checks the unconscious habit of _sniffing_, the sinus condition may

become permanent. The sinus (mucus) membrane needs to be swept with air

with every breath; if this does not happen, because there is a thick

coating of mucus, the membrane becomes a perfect incubator for the

rhinovirus (cold virus).



Blow your nose (gently) and do not inhibit the outflow of mucus.



Atmospheric moisture aggrevates mucosity IF your body is too thick and slow.



Stay up all night and all day (48 hrs) as an experiment, when it is safe

for you to do so. This is an easy way of driving off excessive thickness

and slowness.



Dietary and chemical (auto exhaust, etc) allergy is a possibility,

difficult to diagnose. 



Drink 2 or more quarts of PLAIN WATER every day to give your body a chance

to overcome inflammatory substances.



Consider taking dietary zinc supplements.



Keep breathing! If you do so for 100 years, you will have a long life.



Best regards...



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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<<The reason I don't think I have allergies is I can go out of town and

#nothing changes. I live in Atlanta and I went to Southern Calf for 2

#weeks and it didn't change. I don't really have dripping it just feels

#like my nose is swollen shut part of the way. Another weird thing is I

#get headaches before and during rain a lot of the times.>>



sounds to me like youre allergic to something in your diet or personal

environment - like yr laundry detergent yr cologne -- something u use regualry

-- or youre allergic to something so common its everytwher e-- ie dustmites --

mold --- 



mold is  a BIG one for me ---- 



i dont get dripps much myself - but i get the DARk circles and upper tooth pain

-- whcih pain killers dont touch but even a 1/2 dose of an antihistmine and Im

fine





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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On Mon, 1 Jun 1998 Mark Ayash In article <3571FC39.6EBA6399

@bellsouth.net>, Mark Ayash <mayash@bellsouth.net> writes

>The reason I don't think I have allergies is I can go out of town and

>nothing changes. I live in Atlanta and I went to Southern Calf for 2

>weeks and it didn't change. I don't really have dripping it just feels

>like my nose is swollen shut part of the way. Another weird thing is I

>get headaches before and during rain a lot of the times. I have started

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Many people get this, myself included. I've heard the explanation

being that as a weather front approaches, there is a pressure

change. It may be that either you're too blocked up for the

pressure change to equilibrate, or that you are sensitive to

pressure changes in general.



You sound like you have sinusitis. This can be chronic esp. in

damp areas of the world..



>taking garlic but only a small amount and haven't noticed that much



I think you should go to the doctor to see if there is a bacterial/viral

cause to this



>difference. What about these products called clear lung that claim to

>flush out the upper respiratory system?

>

see your doc so that you know what you're dealing with before

taking anything proprietary.



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One suggestion is that if you drink coffee, even decaffinatted, stop.

Coffee can add to inflammation problems.  Even one cup a day is enough

to irritate your system.



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On Sun, 31 May 1998 Betsy & Eric Carlson In article

<6kt2q3$1v4$1@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Betsy & Eric

Carlson <CritterPaws@webtv.net> writes

>One suggestion is that if you drink coffee, even decaffinatted, stop.

>Coffee can add to inflammation problems.  Even one cup a day is enough

>to irritate your system.



what irritants are there in coffee? I would have thought that

(assuming no other health problems) any caffeine-containing

substance would be beneficial due to caffeine being a

vasoconstrictor...



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Mark,

    You might try cutting out all dairy products for 4-7 days and see if

that makes a difference. Dairy includes, cassein, whey, lactose, butter,

milk, cheese, cottage cheese, icecream, binder in some vitamins, and probaby

more. It's important to read labels on packages.

Anna

Mark Ayash wrote in message <3571CDD1.59965DF@bellsouth.net>...

>  What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

>allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark

>







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On Sun, 31 May 1998 21:40:03 GMT, Mark Ayash <mayash@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>  What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

>allergies just stuffy nose and congestion.



Try a dairy-free diet. This web search was done more than a year ago:



=====================



From: http://www.netdoor.com/entinfo/pndrpaao.html

From the American Academy of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery Public

Service Brochure.



Increased thick secretions ... They can also result from sinus or nose

infections and some allergies, especially to certain foods such as dairy

products. ...



=====================



From:

http://www.infinite.org/Naturopathic.Physician/articles.lay/ART.Sinusitis.html



By: Ruth Bar-Shalom ND and David Soileau ND 



 Another consideration is food allergies. Certain foods seem to be more

likely to cause sinusitis. Eliminating these foods from the diet is a good

way to determine if one or several of them are responsible. The main

problem foods are dairy products (including milk, cheese, ice cream), eggs,

wheat, corn, and sugar. 



=====================



From: http://envirolink.org/arrs/essays/dont_drink.html

From Natural Health, July/Aug 1994, "Don't Drink Your Milk"



Cow's milk contains many proteins that are poorly digested and harmful to

the immune system. "Dairy is a tremendous mucus producer and a burden on

the respiratory, digestive, and immune systems," says Christiane Northrup,

a gynecologist based in Yarmouth, Maine. "If women eliminate dairy foods

for an extended period and eat a balanced diet, they suffer less from colds

and sinus infections." 



=====================



From: http://www.earthsave.bc.ca/articles/milk_letter.html

From THE MILK LETTER: A MESSAGE TO MY PATIENTS by Robert M. Kradjian, MD



Lets look at the scientific literature first. From 1988 to 1993 there were

over 2,700 articles dealing with milk recorded in the Medicine archives.

Fifteen hundred of these had milk as the main focus of the article. There

is no lack of scientific information on this subject. I reviewed over 500

of the 1,500 articles, discarding articles that dealt exclusively with

animals, esoteric research and inconclusive studies.



... In adults the problems seemed centered more around heart disease and

arthritis, allergy, sinusitis, and the more serious questions of leukemia,

lymphoma and cancer.



=====================



From: http://manatee.envirolink.org/arrs/peta/facts/veg/fsveg08.htm



Other illnesses are more prevalent among those who consume significant

amounts of dairy products than among vegans. Ninety percent of asthma

patients who were put on a completely vegetarian diet (without meat, eggs,

or dairy products) experienced great improvements in the frequency and

severity of their attacks.(4) Dairy products are also the leading cause of

food allergies and have been implicated in congestive heart failure,

neonatal tetany, tonsil enlargement, ulcerative colitis, Hodgkin's disease,

and respiratory, skin, gastrointestinal, and behavioral problems.(5) 



4.Robbins, John, Diet for a New America, Stillpoint Publishing, 1987, p.

  300. 

5.McDougall, John A., M.D., and Mary A. McDougall, The McDougall Plan, 

  New Century Publishers, Inc., pp. 49-50.



=====================



From: http://envirolink.org/arrs/essays/dairy_bad.html



Seven: Food Allergies



Milk is one of the most common food allergies. Respiratory problems, canker

sores, skin conditions, and other subtle and not-so-subtle allergies can be

caused by dairy products. The sad thing is that many people never know that

they have a dairy sensitivity; they think that their problems are "normal."

If they give themselves a break from dairy products, they might get a very

pleasant surprise. Asthmatics, in particular, should give themselves a long

vacation from dairy products to see whether their condition improves.



=====================



From: http://www.nutramed.com/zeno/disease.htm



Ear, Nose and Throat



The ear, nose, and throat are common target organs for food allergens. Food

allergy is suggested by: nasal stuffiness, increased mucus flow in nose and

throat and sore throats. ... Inflammation of the nose (rhinitis), sinuses

(sinusitis), and throat (pharyngitis) may be due to airborne irritants,

allergens and/or food allergy.



=====================



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You might have a chronic sinus infection - this condition can cause

headaches and the bacteria stay in the sinuses, producing allergens that

cause problems regardless of air quality. 



The standard (allopathic) treatment is antibiotics - this works in the

short run, but there is high relapse rate unless other steps are taken.

Nasal rinsing, garlic, onions, echinacea, and astragalus are all good. 





Jonathan 







Mark Ayash wrote:

> 

>   What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

> allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark



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Look into allergies and detoxification. If you choose a Detox Program, =

use one in which you fast as fasting frees up the body so it's able to =

use its energy to fight infection rather than digesting food. Use a diet =

that emphasizes fruits and vegetable broth. Avoid concentrated sugars =

since they slow down immune functions and encourage bacterial activity.=20



Nutritional supplementation--Vitamin A: 50,000 IUs per day for one week =

only, or beta-carotene: 200,000 IUs per day.

Vitamin C: one gram per hour to bowel tolerance.

Vitamin E: 400 IUs per day.

Zinc: 50 milligrams per day.

For cases of chronic sinusitis, include selenium: 200 micrograms per =

day, N-acetyl cysteine: 500 milligrams per day, Bioflavonoids: 1 to 2 =

grams per day, essential fatty acids in the form of evening primrose =

oil, black currant oil, or flaxseed oil, and Vitamin B5.=20



Herbal medicine---Echinacea, Ephedra, Goldenseal, Oregon grape, =

Horseradish, Poke Root, Yarrow, Garlic, Wild Indigo, and Elder flowers.

Herbal Formula (acute sinusitis)--Use one part each of tinctures of =

Eyebright, Goldenseal, Yarrow, Horseradish, and Ephedra. Thirty drops =

every 2 hours for 2 days, then 4 times a day until symptoms are gone.

Sinusitis attacks accompanied by infection--2 parts Echinacea, 2 parts =

Wild Indigo, and 1 part Poke Root. Thirty drops every hour until =

condition improves, then 4 times daily.

Other herbs--Stinging nettle, Goldenrod (as a tincture), and Eyebright =

compound.

You can also try inhaling steam, homeopathy, or acupuncture treatments.=20



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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hydromed@westworld.com wrote in message <6mkvh5$hpv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>In article <6ku9lc$op6$1@news2.alpha.net>,

>  "slade or kay henson" <noway-nohow@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>

>> Look into allergies and detoxification. If you choose a Detox Program, =

>> use one in which you fast as fasting frees up the body so it's able to =

>> use its energy to fight infection rather than digesting food. Use a diet

=

>> that emphasizes fruits and vegetable broth. Avoid concentrated sugars =

>> since they slow down immune functions and encourage bacterial

activity.=20

>>

>> Nutritional supplementation--Vitamin A: 50,000 IUs per day for one week =

>> only, or beta-carotene: 200,000 IUs per day.

>> Vitamin C: one gram per hour to bowel tolerance.

>> Vitamin E: 400 IUs per day.

>> Zinc: 50 milligrams per day.

>> For cases of chronic sinusitis, include selenium: 200 micrograms per =

>> day, N-acetyl cysteine: 500 milligrams per day, Bioflavonoids: 1 to 2 =

>> grams per day, essential fatty acids in the form of evening primrose =

>> oil, black currant oil, or flaxseed oil, and Vitamin B5.=20

>>

>> Herbal medicine---Echinacea, Ephedra, Goldenseal, Oregon grape, =

>> Horseradish, Poke Root, Yarrow, Garlic, Wild Indigo, and Elder flowers.

>> Herbal Formula (acute sinusitis)--Use one part each of tinctures of =

>> Eyebright, Goldenseal, Yarrow, Horseradish, and Ephedra. Thirty drops =

>> every 2 hours for 2 days, then 4 times a day until symptoms are gone.

>> Sinusitis attacks accompanied by infection--2 parts Echinacea, 2 parts =

>> Wild Indigo, and 1 part Poke Root. Thirty drops every hour until =

>> condition improves, then 4 times daily.

>> Other herbs--Stinging nettle, Goldenrod (as a tincture), and Eyebright =

>> compound.

>> You can also try inhaling steam, homeopathy, or acupuncture

treatments.=20

>>

>> Kay

>>

>>   --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>>               or

>>   --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

>>

>> Many persons with chronic sinusitis have slow cilia - the microscopic

hairs that move bacteria and toxins out of the sinuses. The 3,000 year old

method is to gently sniff salt water in and out in order to help the cilia

return to normal. The modern day version is to use a Water Pik with a sinus

irrigator attachment that pulses at the same speed as  normal cilia so that

bacteria are removed in a natural manner.

>Hot compresses to the sinus area help too.

>Kevin

>http://www.ent-consult.com  tell a friend







Sinuses..... if you are going to rinse out your nostrils with salt water, go

to the very best form of it just for that purpose, it is called ALKALOL.

You can probably find it near the mouthwash in the drugstore.   This is the

most incredible product and has helped me enormously.   I have had sinus

problems for years, but this stuff rinses away all the pollen and dust and

allergens that usually have me suffering at this time of year.



Regards,

Evelyn







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According to some ENT that posts to my sinusitus ng, Alkalol should be diluted

when used.  The recipe I got from one of the posters in that group is:

3/4 c. warm water

1/4 c Alkalol (mucus solvent)

1/2 t salt

When I first used Alkalol, I used it straight...the directions on the bottle

said it could be used straight or diluted, if my memory serves me correctly.

Anyway, it irritated my ear somehow, (no, I don't blow it out hard or pinch my

nose shut when blowing), now, when I do use it (not on a regular basis, only

when I'm stuffy), I always dilute.

Best wishes,

June

BTW, the link below is good, from one of those ENT's I mentioned, another

excellent one is:

http:/www.sinuses.com



> >http://www.ent-consult.com  tell a friend

>

> Sinuses..... if you are going to rinse out your nostrils with salt water, go

> to the very best form of it just for that purpose, it is called ALKALOL.

> You can probably find it near the mouthwash in the drugstore.   This is the

> most incredible product and has helped me enormously.   I have had sinus

> problems for years, but this stuff rinses away all the pollen and dust and

> allergens that usually have me suffering at this time of year.

>

> Regards,

> Evelyn









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Here's another treatment I recently "discovered".  In both eastern and

Western herbal medicine, onions and their relatives have been reported to

successfully treat rhinitis of various causes.  Personally, I found the

prescription hard to follow because, while I love onions, garlic, leeks etc.

in my meals, I found it hard to consume enough to constitute an effective

dose, especially since it seems they are more effective taken raw.  I had

trouble getting over the sulfur compounds in the stronger onions - they gave

me indigestion if I ate too much, and sometimes actually seemed to

*irritate* the sinuses, especially as I am the one doing all the cutting and

kitchen prep work.  But I had always assumed it was the odorous sulfur

compounds that were *solely* responsible for the therapeutic effects.  Then

someone on this newsgroup (wish I could remember who) posted they had

success using quercitin for sinus problems, and a response came that onions

were very high in quercitin.  After reading that, the next time the dust and

pollen started kicking up a reaction I bought a bag of Vidalia onions,

sliced one medium onion up thinly, cut the slices in halves, and ate the

whole thing as a salad with a wine vinegar/olive oil dressing.  Much to my

surprise, it was delicious, without any of the bite of other onions, even

those considered sweet.  And what's more, it absolutely stopped the rhinitis

in it's tracks.  I woke the next morning with no trace of the stuffiness of

the night before.



-Rich



Mark Ayash wrote in message <3571CDD1.59965DF@bellsouth.net>...

>  What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

>allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark

>







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>Is there a preferable time of season to harvest the leaves, say, the

>young leaves on the new vines vs. the older leaves or after the

>berries are ripe? 



I looked in all my books and, sorry to say, I can't find the answer to your

question.  None of them specify if the leaves should be young or older ones.



Sorry.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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RedWitch,



Generally, if you're harvesting a plant for its leaves, you would

harvest them before the plant flowers. Usually i'll cut back the flowers

to increase leafy growth, and soon after, harvest the leaves. However,

with berries, I'm not sure you'd want to do this often, as you'd never

get any berries. :) I'm sure you can still make use of the leaves

-after- the berries have been picked, they just won't be high in

medicinal goodies.



-Val



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RedWitch04 wrote:

> 

> >Is there a preferable time of season to harvest the leaves, say, the

> >young leaves on the new vines vs. the older leaves or after the

> >berries are ripe?

> 

> I looked in all my books and, sorry to say, I can't find the answer to your

> question.  None of them specify if the leaves should be young or older ones.

> 

> Sorry.

> Beth

> The Truth is Out There



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In article <357149CE.8FFAFEE9@Never.Never.Com>, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> writes

>I'm glad you told me what NIMH stands for in the UK. Here in the states

>we have a NIMH too, but it is the National Institute for Mental

>Health.... A different proposition altogether. ;)

*I* am glad I told you <G>!

Helps to pre-empt any confusion. The results could end up reading like a

British Farce!



Krow

-- 

Krow (krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

Everybody hurts.  Don't throw your hand.  Oh, no.  Don't throw your hand.

If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

(REM)



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In article <357149CE.8FFAFEE9@Never.Never.Com>, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> writes:



> Here in the states

>we have a NIMH too, but it is the National Institute for Mental

>Health.... A different proposition altogether. ;)

>



Just to add to the confusion, I've seen several British trained herbalists

using the NIMH designation in the States. The closest thing to the British

organizations in the States is probably the American Herbalists Guild, which

does have educational requirements for its members. It's a good group to

contact too if you're interested in working in herbalism in the United States:



American Herbalists Guild

PO Box 746555

Arvada CO 80006

Last web page: http://www.healthy.net/herbalists/

(Web page may have moved - e-mail me if it doesn't work)



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

Author: Educational & Career Opportunities In Alternative Medicine

1998 Prima Publishing

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm



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Logerman wrote in message

<1998053106570100.CAA29903@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>good god.  What makes you think golden seal will work for  esophageal

reflux.

>Change your diet firstof all.  What do you typically eat and when do you

eat

>it?  Do you drink alcohol?

>

>Eric

>



It is interesting, but this is the second time I have heard of someone who

has used golden seal for this type of problem.   I knew a woman who had

difficulty swallowing.   She sipped golden seal tea and swore it was the

only thing that helped her.



Evelyn







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Also, do not eat anything with mint when you suffer from reflux...contrary

to folklore, mint will only make it worse.



Logerman <logerman@aol.com> wrote in article

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> good god.  What makes you think golden seal will work for  esophageal

reflux. 

> Change your diet firstof all.  What do you typically eat and when do you

eat

> it?  Do you drink alcohol?

> 

> Eric 

> 

> 



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Kitiara,



Check out Newcomb's Wilflower Guide. Quite a lot of people do not like the

Audubon Bk's. After learning how to use their identification method, I prefer

them. I use both of these guides together, covers most plants I run accross. I

was told once, no book can take the place of a real person, wise to your local

plants. My Mom is my teacher, and is much more helpful than any book. Try this

web site http:/www.altnature.com. These ladies are wonderful and extremely

helpful!



Goodluck,

denise





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Shane,

am sure there are numerous beliefs relative as to the origin of the name

Mamou,

and considering that the beach of the gulf was in the approximate location

of Mamou

7-10,000 yrs ago , approx time of the extinction of the Mammouth , there is

a possibility that

someone may have found reminates of that being around Mamou ,  perhaps

washed down from

the water ways created by the melting glaceries , as the glacier advanced

southwards all mamels

were pushed southward , maybe even the mamouth was resident  this far south

at one point in time,

if he was i would think he would have had webbed feet.



having a community in Africa with a simular name of Mamou , and a medicinal

plant here with  a simular

name would maybe imply that a



"medicine man" carried in his bundle "seeds of his beliefs" to this coastal

area ,



whooooa ! i dont think that theory would be acceptable down here , and if

there were any truth to it being so

i am certain the anglo way of recording history would find any other theory

to wipe out any



Spiritual relationships to Africa ....



and the sorryful part would be not giving the children both points of view

so that they may decide for themselves what is truthful.



I am curious to see whether this point of view will eventually end up within

the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture"

under "Mamou" or whether that page will remain one sided , which seems to be

the case with a few other pages, ....



Legand of the Coon@ss



(colonial dayz / way before the 2nd world war)



Two blu bloods walkin thru the streets of NuAwlins at dawn note 2 men

slumped over half asleep from a nite of

drinking , drinking no doubt to try and wash away the frushtrations of

oppression imposed by a so called "upper class of people" one blu blood

turns to the next an seyz  "those are what we call counassa the lower form"

...... after the blu bloods  pass one slumped over man seys to the next ,

"you hear him , he call us coon@ss's"  the other man replies with lafter

saying " i'd rather be known as a coon@ss, than known for beating people

down the way he does"



and still today we laff with pride !

for a true coon@ss does not beat the next person down , not even the blu

bloods,



a Coon@ss am i , (a statement not a question)



another example from within these posts:

i read not long back relative to the letter  X.



"after all these years i have to admit father was wrong about something"



then a few dayz later,



"ok guys make up your mind was father right or wrong?"



this person was led  believe other then what her father expressed , and

doubted his word ....

based on the info recieved here , she then recieved a second point of view

....

i would like to believe this person took both points of view ,and  "listened

to her Heart"



for within the so called "DNA" is not only physical traits

but every piece of our Kindered existance , and unless we provide the

children with both points of view

there is a strong chance what pervades within will stay in conflict ........





"Exiled Kindered"



Choupique

www.cajunwebads.com/circle





(the post below have been cut an pasted below to maintain the "HISTORY" of

this thread

initiated by Mr. Kikers)



BRIAN COMEAUX wrote in message <35719B9A.2D9E@iamerica.net>...

>kikers wrote:

>>

>> I'm into geography and have wondered if there is any link between Mamou,

>> LA and the town of Mamou in Guinea, West Africa.  I believe Guinea was

>> once part of French West Africa.  Any ideas, theories?

>>

>> -Aaron Kiker

>> Spring, TX US

>

>There is a medicinal plant in south Louisiana, called the "Mamou".  You

>make tea with it to cure certain ailments.  Not sure which, since I

>don't use the stuff personally.  Could it be that the plant carries a

>name from a west african tribal language that could explain the names of

>the towns in Louisiana and Africa?

>

>BGC

>nationalist acadien/acadian nationalist

>http://www.cma-la99.com

>Site officiel du Congrs mondial acadien-Louisiane 1999



>Brian,

>

>intresting , would you by chance recall the "scientific tag" given to Mamou

>is it  native of this region ? or by chance introduced here thru the mixing

>of cultures ....

>

>Choupique

>





(uncertain if below is the correct location for the next post for previos

headers were omitted at this point)



>Bet you hit the nail on the head.  With that information, it seems to be

>the case. Thank you,Alice









Shane K. Bernard wrote in message <3571FDA5.3499C034@nospam.com>...

>I've read that Mamou obtained its name from the discovery of a mammoth

>elephant'sbones ('mammouth' in French) on the surrounding prairie, and that

>the tree or shrub was named for the town.

>

>--

>Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net

>

>Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

>http://www.cajunculture.com

>

>or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

>http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm

>

>"Lche pas la patate"

>

>







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cwa (Choupique) wrote:



> Shane,



> I am curious to see whether this point of view will eventually end up within

> the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture"

> under "Mamou" or whether that page will remain one sided , which seems to be

> the case with a few other pages, ....



If your theory about the "medicine man" origin of the term "Mamou" has appeared

in a reputably published source, we'd be happy to include it in the

"Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture" . . . our sources are always cited at the bottom

of each entry.



My source for "Mamou" deriving from the finding of mammoth or mastodon bones

near the town's present-day site is:



Walter C. Holmes, _Flore Louisiane: An Ethno-Botanical Study of French-Speaking

Louisiana_.

Lafayette, La.: Center for Louisiana Studies, University of Southwestern

Louisiana, 1990.



SKB

New Iberia LA



---



Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net



Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

http://www.cajunculture.com



or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm



"Lche pas la patate"







From cwa@eatel.net Mon Jun 01 23:36:56 1998

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Shane,

the issue i was trying to express  is not about what you call "my theory" or

what is provided in other forms of "publications",  as far as publications

go tooo many books written by "the people" have been stored on back shelves

, not promoted or presented to the general public , for many of the writings

conflict with  anglo teachings unless of course the writer conforms to anglo

ways.



reputably published source?



prior to the European stepping into Africa , many of the African peoples had

universities , roadways , advanced civilations .... children here (myself

included)  were taught the African peoples "should be grateful toward us" ,

for over there they were just a group of wild running savages .... and

hollywood did not help us a bit either with promoting the un_truths. Heck

even our teachers were ignorant to the advanced socities of the African

peoples from the teachings in so called reputably pubished books , for the

peoples achievements as nations were burried , historical information

discarded or hidden when those lands were raped of its people .



So called Reputable Publications utilized for teaching the children discards

many truths ....



the issue i was trying to express is "it is good to provide an alternate

path / point of view / source of information aside from one one way of

beliefs.  http://www.cajunwebads.com/circle/beliefs.htm   "an open window"







example:



"Un-Cajun"  within the  "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

http://www.cajunculture.com is reference to a select committe and states



"joined with the    Nation of Islam    and    radical Black Catholics"



couldnt this maybe be "the Nation of Islam and  some African American

peoples" , or just simply  "some Catholics ?" , instead of "radical Black

Catholics" ?





perhaps there are also some lighter skinned people that feel the same way as

the "UnCajuns Commette"

which is "if your Black your not Cajun" from what i understand the writings

to say. If this is so, I  understand why many Black people would not want to

be considered part of the newly defined "Cajun Culture" or part of some of

the older groups that call themselves cajun ....



I have been told by more than one cajun that i am not one of them based on

my point of views  relative to equality" , then again i dont consider those

individuals full blooded cajuns based on their views of equality.

i do consider them "led astray cajuns"





"why dont the children play together anymore?"



how about a personel local voice expressing the opposite of this one

committe , have known quite a few  people that reference themselves as Cajun

with pride even thou they understand "publications" , "new definitions"

seperate us as a people



an idea:

visit "Champs" on on Persin St. , would be great place to gain alternate

points of view , thats right around where "Leo's" , "Ruby's" use to be.





it is not about me , nor about you , it is about the way information is

presented to the children and the people....



about the way history is altered to justify inhuman actions

about the way "definations" are changed which generates seperation ....



history is changed into His-story

alternative changed into alter-native





please try not to take "it" personel.



reputably published books , like the Jesuit Readings ?



also noted that soc.culture.african,soc.culture.african.american was removed

from the initial news groups

list of your post ,



hmmmmmmm , ?





Choupique

www.cajunwebads.com/circle







Shane K. Bernard wrote in message <35739189.918A6609@nospam.com>...

>cwa (Choupique) wrote:

>

>> Shane,

>

>> I am curious to see whether this point of view will eventually end up

within

>> the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture"

>> under "Mamou" or whether that page will remain one sided , which seems to

be

>> the case with a few other pages, ....

>

>If your theory about the "medicine man" origin of the term "Mamou" has

appeared

>in a reputably published source, we'd be happy to include it in the

>"Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture" . . . our sources are always cited at the

bottom

>of each entry.

>

>My source for "Mamou" deriving from the finding of mammoth or mastodon

bones

>near the town's present-day site is:

>

>Walter C. Holmes, _Flore Louisiane: An Ethno-Botanical Study of

French-Speaking

>Louisiana_.

>Lafayette, La.: Center for Louisiana Studies, University of Southwestern

>Louisiana, 1990.

>

>SKB

>New Iberia LA

>

>---

>

>Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net

>

>Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

>http://www.cajunculture.com

>

>or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

>http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm

>

>"Lche pas la patate"

>

>







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Choupique,



Until the subject appeared on this newsgroup, I knew of no evidence suggesting

that the town of Mamou in rural Evangeline Parish derived its name from a town

(or plant) of the same name in West Africa.



However, did you know that the Cajun song "Allons Danser Colinda" derived its

name from the Kalinda dance that originated (coincidentally enough) in West

Africa?



I researched the topic at length for a book on south Louisiana music, and found

that the dance traveled to Louisiana from Guinea, in particular from Ardra, a

region near the mouth of the Volta River (now in present-day Ghana).



SKB

New Iberia LA







From cwa@eatel.net Tue Jun 02 07:23:24 1998

From: "cwa (Choupique)" <cwa@eatel.net>

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intresting i wonder if the children of this dance still dance "it' today ?



or what the Kalinda dance signified .... or a direction for  infomation of

"it" ?



and i think its good to take the word French from in front of West Africa

also ....



thanx

Choupique





curious of its message ....

Shane K. Bernard wrote in message <3574B8F4.E7A218A@bellsouth.net>...

>Choupique,

>

>Until the subject appeared on this newsgroup, I knew of no evidence

suggesting

>that the town of Mamou in rural Evangeline Parish derived its name from a

town

>(or plant) of the same name in West Africa.

>

>However, did you know that the Cajun song "Allons Danser Colinda" derived

its

>name from the Kalinda dance that originated (coincidentally enough) in West

>Africa?

>

>I researched the topic at length for a book on south Louisiana music, and

found

>that the dance traveled to Louisiana from Guinea, in particular from Ardra,

a

>region near the mouth of the Volta River (now in present-day Ghana).

>

>SKB

>New Iberia LA

>

>







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Mes amis,



Mamou is a large town in Guinea-Conakry, and a major road junction 250km 

east of the capital, Conakry, but far from the Ardra region of Ghana.  

The present Republic of Guinea is not necessarily "Guinea" of slave 

tradition, which reached from present Guinea-Bissau along the African 

coast to Nigeria and Equatorial Guinea.  (The British monetary guinea, or 

1 pound, 1 shilling, derived from gold from present-day Ghana, back when 

"Guinea" referred to the entire West African coast.)



I have no idea if Mamou, LA (and therefore the bands Mamou and Steve 

Riley & the Mamou Playboys) comes from Mamou, Guinea; it may be a 

conincidence.  Also, 150 km north of Mamou, Guinea is a town called Pita, 

 though to my knowledge it has nothing to do with what American call Pita 

bread.



Nice story about Kolinda/Calinda.



Allons danser!



Richard



 cwa (Choupique) wrote:

> 

> intresting i wonder if the children of this dance still dance "it' today ?

> 

> or what the Kalinda dance signified .... or a direction for  infomation of

> "it" ?

> 

> and i think its good to take the word French from in front of West Africa

> also ....

> 

> thanx

> Choupique

> 

> curious of its message ....

> Shane K. Bernard wrote in message <3574B8F4.E7A218A@bellsouth.net>...

> >Choupique,

> >

> >Until the subject appeared on this newsgroup, I knew of no evidence

> suggesting

> >that the town of Mamou in rural Evangeline Parish derived its name from a

> town

> >(or plant) of the same name in West Africa.

> >

> >However, did you know that the Cajun song "Allons Danser Colinda" derived

> its

> >name from the Kalinda dance that originated (coincidentally enough) in West

> >Africa?

> >

> >I researched the topic at length for a book on south Louisiana music, and

> found

> >that the dance traveled to Louisiana from Guinea, in particular from Ardra,

> a

> >region near the mouth of the Volta River (now in present-day Ghana).

> >

> >SKB

> >New Iberia LA

> >

> >



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>

> Until the subject appeared on this newsgroup, I knew of no evidence suggesting

> that the town of Mamou in rural Evangeline Parish derived its name from a town

> (or plant) of the same name in West Africa.



And you probably still don't.  Unless the town and the plant was named by

French colonialists and somehow one of these colonialists was able to

influence the name of the town in Louisiana.  Even in this situation the

spelling would likely have changed.



Certainly, it is possible that a West African slaves influenced the naming of

items and locations in America, but with the same spellings as in a modern

African city?



>

> However, did you know that the Cajun song "Allons Danser Colinda" derived its

> name from the Kalinda dance that originated (coincidentally enough) in West

> Africa?



There's no doubt that West African dance and music not only affected music in

Louisiana but probably laid the groundwork for the synthesis that became

American music.  Louis Gottschalk wrote a symphony in pre-Civil War New

Orleans, call Bamboula, La Danse Negre that was the first written music to

combine African Caribbean rhythms and European instrumentation.  Some call him

the grandfather of jazz.



>

> I researched the topic at length for a book on south Louisiana music, and found

> that the dance traveled to Louisiana from Guinea, in particular from Ardra, a

> region near the mouth of the Volta River (now in present-day Ghana).

>



You actually found written documentation of the migrations of this dance?



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gwwood@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> And you probably still don't.



I agree.  There is a city called Pointe-Noire in the present-day African nation of

Congo, and a community called Point-Noire near the border of Acadia and Lafayette

Parish.  A coincidence?  Most likely.



>You actually found written documentation of the migrations of this dance?



Yes . . . quite a bit.  For example, in 1760 an English cartographer refered to an

African dance called "the Calendoe . . . brought from the coast of Guinea."  In 1698

Pere Jean Baptiste Labat described the dance in detail, writing, "The one [dance] in

which they [African slaves in Martinique] take the greatest pleasure, which is the

usual one, is the Calenda.  It came from the Guinea Coast and to all appearances from

Ardra."



The dance eventually made its way to New Orleans: In 1885 a northern journalist

visited the city's Congo Square, and reported seeing "the weird and strange 'Danse

Calinda'"; in 1921 folklorist Mina Monroe wrote after interviewing an elderly former

slave dancer that "In Louisiana, the Calinda was a war dance. . . ."  Also, there was

a popular slave song in New Orleans called "Michie Preval," which contained the

lyrics "Danzez Calinda . . . dansez Calinda!"



My theory is that Cajuns heard this slave song, assumed that "Calinda" was actually a

girl's name, and developed their own song, "Allons danser Colinda," about a Cajun boy

wanting to dance "les vieilles valses a deux temps" (the old two-step waltzes [?!])

with a girl named Colinda "pendant te mere n'est pas la / Pour faire facher les

vielles femmes" (while your mother isn't here / to make the old ladies mad").



SKB

New Iberia





--

Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net



Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

http://www.cajunculture.com



or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm



"Lche pas la patate"









From cwa@eatel.net Tue Jun 02 23:12:42 1998

From: "cwa (Choupique)" <cwa@eatel.net>

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perty intresting thread , to go from



"any relationship of Mamou West Afria to Mamou Louisiana"

"Mamou medicinal plant , possible name for a community here in south

louisiana"

"Medicine man from Africa, carrying his seeds of belief to this coastal

region, possible origin of plant"

"Mamou south louisiana named after Mammouth bones discovered"

"open window"

"Un-Cajuns join Nation of Islam and Radical Black Catholics"

"History is changed to His-story"

"a song written , derived its name from the kalinda dance"

"songs message of a cajun doin a two step waltz w/o girls mother present"



i yi yi .... genocide ....



Choupique

http://www.cajunwebads.com/circle



Shane K. Bernard wrote in message <3575641C.C08231FF@nospam.com>...

>gwwood@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>

>

>>You actually found written documentation of the migrations of this dance?

>

>Yes . . . quite a bit.



any writing by the peoples relations of the region that the dance came from

?

is maybe the dance traditional / ceremonial , not to be spoken of ?





For example, in 1760 an English cartographer refered to an

>African dance called "the Calendoe . . . brought from the coast of Guinea."

In 1698

>Pere Jean Baptiste Labat described the dance in detail, writing, "The one

[dance] in

>which they [African slaves in Martinique] take the greatest pleasure, which

is the

>usual one, is the Calenda.  It came from the Guinea Coast and to all

appearances from

>Ardra."

>

>The dance eventually made its way to New Orleans: In 1885 a northern

journalist

>visited the city's Congo Square, and reported seeing "the weird and strange

'Danse

>Calinda'"; in 1921 folklorist Mina Monroe wrote after interviewing an

elderly former

>slave dancer that "In Louisiana, the Calinda was a war dance. . . ."



would the traditional meaning of the dance , be the same ? "war ? or maybe

the hunt?"

or maybe after they were ripped out their lands its meaning  became a war

dance for the peoples

here in south louisiana *grin*







Also, there was

>a popular slave song in New Orleans called "Michie Preval," which contained

the

>lyrics "Danzez Calinda . . . dansez Calinda!"

>

>My theory is that Cajuns heard this slave song, assumed that "Calinda" was

actually a

>girl's name, and developed their own song, "Allons danser Colinda," about a

Cajun boy

>wanting to dance "les vieilles valses a deux temps" (the old two-step

waltzes [?!])

>with a girl named Colinda "pendant te mere n'est pas la / Pour faire facher

les

>vielles femmes" (while your mother isn't here / to make the old ladies

mad").

>





hit the nail on the head "assumed" ,













>SKB

>New Iberia

>

>

>--

>Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net

>

>Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

>http://www.cajunculture.com

>

>or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

>http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm

>

>"Lche pas la patate"

>

>

>







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Shane K. Bernard wrote:

> 

> gwwood@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> > And you probably still don't.

> 

> I agree.  There is a city called Pointe-Noire in the present-day African nation of

> Congo, and a community called Point-Noire near the border of Acadia and Lafayette

> Parish.  A coincidence?  Most likely.

> 

> >You actually found written documentation of the migrations of this dance?

> 

> Yes . . . quite a bit.  For example, in 1760 an English cartographer refered to an

> African dance called "the Calendoe . . . brought from the coast of Guinea."  In 1698

> Pere Jean Baptiste Labat described the dance in detail, writing, "The one [dance] in

> which they [African slaves in Martinique] take the greatest pleasure, which is the

> usual one, is the Calenda.  It came from the Guinea Coast and to all appearances from

> Ardra."

> 

> The dance eventually made its way to New Orleans: In 1885 a northern journalist

> visited the city's Congo Square, and reported seeing "the weird and strange 'Danse

> Calinda'"; in 1921 folklorist Mina Monroe wrote after interviewing an elderly former

> slave dancer that "In Louisiana, the Calinda was a war dance. . . ."  Also, there was

> a popular slave song in New Orleans called "Michie Preval," which contained the

> lyrics "Danzez Calinda . . . dansez Calinda!"

> 

> My theory is that Cajuns heard this slave song, assumed that "Calinda" was actually a

> girl's name, and developed their own song, "Allons danser Colinda," about a Cajun boy

> wanting to dance "les vieilles valses a deux temps" (the old two-step waltzes [?!])

> with a girl named Colinda "pendant te mere n'est pas la / Pour faire facher les

> vielles femmes" (while your mother isn't here / to make the old ladies mad").

> 

> SKB

> New Iberia

> 

> --

> Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net

> 

> Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

> http://www.cajunculture.com

> 

> or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

> http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm

> 

> "Lche pas la patate"

And what of the surname Senegal...there is an African nation of the same

name...once part of French West Africa.  I'm not looking for a link

behind every tree (even a Mamou tree) but I do think theyre interesting

and worth looking into.



-Aaron Kiker

Spring, TX



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a seed of creation

heart of a begining ,

southward moving it enters a rivers basin

through it's flow many nations merge ,

new beginings ....

cyclones of feeds begin a journey northward

Sable Island / Port Au Port 'it' goes  "at least for me"

Land of Moose , Whale and Seal ....

a stream through the womb of earth

she returns to the marshes of home  "Sabine Lake"

and walks ....

a seed,

walking the land , drifting the waters,

moveing within breezes of sky ....

the feed is a great river

the feed is the gulf stream

the feed is within all waters

from these paths 'we all' are connected

back to lil turtle island ....

by:

skinny lusiana swampmutt



kikers wrote:



> Shane K. Bernard wrote:

> >

> > gwwood@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> >

> > > And you probably still don't.

> >

> > I agree.  There is a city called Pointe-Noire in the present-day African nation of

> > Congo, and a community called Point-Noire near the border of Acadia and Lafayette

> > Parish.  A coincidence?  Most likely.

> >

> > >You actually found written documentation of the migrations of this dance?

> >

> > Yes . . . quite a bit.  For example, in 1760 an English cartographer refered to an

> > African dance called "the Calendoe . . . brought from the coast of Guinea."  In 1698

> > Pere Jean Baptiste Labat described the dance in detail, writing, "The one [dance] in

> > which they [African slaves in Martinique] take the greatest pleasure, which is the

> > usual one, is the Calenda.  It came from the Guinea Coast and to all appearances from

> > Ardra."

> >

> > The dance eventually made its way to New Orleans: In 1885 a northern journalist

> > visited the city's Congo Square, and reported seeing "the weird and strange 'Danse

> > Calinda'"; in 1921 folklorist Mina Monroe wrote after interviewing an elderly former

> > slave dancer that "In Louisiana, the Calinda was a war dance. . . ."  Also, there was

> > a popular slave song in New Orleans called "Michie Preval," which contained the

> > lyrics "Danzez Calinda . . . dansez Calinda!"

> >

> > My theory is that Cajuns heard this slave song, assumed that "Calinda" was actually a

> > girl's name, and developed their own song, "Allons danser Colinda," about a Cajun boy

> > wanting to dance "les vieilles valses a deux temps" (the old two-step waltzes [?!])

> > with a girl named Colinda "pendant te mere n'est pas la / Pour faire facher les

> > vielles femmes" (while your mother isn't here / to make the old ladies mad").

> >

> > SKB

> > New Iberia

> >

> > --

> > Please reply to: bernard3@bellsouth.net

> >

> > Visit the "Encyclopedia of Cajun Culture":

> > http://www.cajunculture.com

> >

> > or the "Swamp Pop Music Pages":

> > http://acs.tamu.edu/~skb8721/swamppop.htm

> >

> > "Lche pas la patate"

> And what of the surname Senegal...there is an African nation of the same

> name...once part of French West Africa.  I'm not looking for a link

> behind every tree (even a Mamou tree) but I do think theyre interesting

> and worth looking into.

>

> -Aaron Kiker

> Spring, TX









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Interesting topic. You might be able to get a good response if you post the

question to the group: soc.culture.guinea-conakry. There are several dozen

ex-patriate Guineans on the group, many of whom, I'm sure are from the Fouta

Djallon region where Mamou is located.



--

Brian Farenell

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Brian,

once out hunting with an elder ,

speaking across an open field ,

questioned him for opinion relative to one of lifes issues ,



he hollers out "all i can do is point the direction  , its up to you to find

!"



i holler back "is that suppose to be an answer ?"



he seyz back with a grin "Choupique, i was talkin to the dawg ...."



i smiled with understanding ,

thanks for the direction ....



Choupique

http://www.cajunwebads.com/circle







saabrian@capital.net wrote in message <6l1v3e$1ns$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Interesting topic. You might be able to get a good response if you post the

>question to the group: soc.culture.guinea-conakry. There are several dozen

>ex-patriate Guineans on the group, many of whom, I'm sure are from the

Fouta

>Djallon region where Mamou is located.

>

>--

>Brian Farenell

>saabrian@capital.net

>Returned Peace Corps Volunteer -- Guinea (Conakry) 1995-97

>Support the United Nations

>

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Mamou, m. Coral Tree; a shrub know to botanists as Erythrina herbacea (L.);

found at Mamou, Evangeline Parish, and in the vicinity of that village.  Mamou

tea-the de Mamou-is made of the leaves, the roots, or the seeds of this shrub

and is given to persons ill of pneumonia.  The seeds, which are coral-red, are

worn as necklaces by little girls.   A seed is called graine de Mamou.  

   Mamou is a corruption of St.-Fr. Mammouth, "Mammoth."  Bones of the mammoth

have been discovered in Lower Louisiana.



From:Read, William A., LSU Press, 1963, pgs 48-49.



We still grow and use the "Grand Mamou" for viral ailments in Acadiana.



Traiteusse

erblremedy@aol.com



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Sorry, the title of Read's book is "Louisiana-French," C. 1931, revised edition

1963



Traiteusse

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    I saw a tv show about cosmetic medical techniques. They inject something

clear(don't really remember...collagen?) which forces the blood out of the

isolated capillaries. You might ask your dr.

Anna



S or K Fraser wrote in message <3571b24d.9110108@news.surenet.net>...

>Greetings.

>

>I have an embarrassing blotch on the bridge of my nose.  Its bothered

>me for ages as I've had it since I was a teenager.  I am now

>considering laser treatment to get rid of it.









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Pine tar soap is mild and may help the dermatitis. Also, there are

exfoliant(dead-skin remover) products which might narow the problem down.

Cortizones almost killed me a few yrs ago. They do manage to kill a few

people every year, not to mention degrading your immune system, rather than

boosting it... You might try evening primrose oil, about three, 500mg dose

capsules with each meal.  Good luck.

Anna



aemers19@calvin.edu wrote in message <6kp87j$hj1$1@trellis.wwnet.net>...

>Greetings,

>

>I've had bad seborheic dermatitis for years, the dermatologist

>keeps sticking me on stronger and stronger cortizones, which I

>decided I would rather not be using.







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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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Subject: Re: Brontical Asthma

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In article <6ks9an$j7r$1@news2.ee.net>, "d hayes" <dhayes@greenapple.com> wrote:



#Is anyone using herbs and spices to control brontical asthma?

#

#Thanks,

#CD



Try using an enema of warm water and Epsom Salts (1-tbs/qt) to abort the asthma

attack.



Use chinese 'Lo Han Quo' herb concentrate, and 'Loquat Syrup' to tonify the

lung.



Avoid most flour products, to avoid suffocating the membrane of the gut.

The finer the flour, the worse the effect of suffocation.



Drink 2+ qts of PLAIN WATER every day.



Check your dietary levels of magnesium and supplement if needed.



The herb FOENUGREEK SEED (whole) and FENNEL SEED (whole) steeped as tea, for 15

minutes in a closed ceramic teapot, makes a marvelous soothing balm for

tortured respiratory mucosa.



Blue Vervaine is a good bronchial antispasmodic.



Avoid grief and anxiety...they will aggravate asthma.



Best regards,



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 WL Sakowski In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302

$i10$j38d18891@gratisnet.com>, WL Sakowski <wl-

ski@gratisnet.com> writes

>d> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:57:55 -0400

> d> Subject: Brontical Asthma

> d> From: "d hayes" <dhayes@greenapple.com>

>

> d> Is anyone using herbs and spices to control brontical

> d> asthma?

>

>Yes.  I use several different ones... depending on how I

>am feeling...  The one that brings me the quickest (and

>most) relief, is Ma Huang. 



<snippety>



I've tried this herb, it contains ephedrine. Aside from tasting foul (I

had it in a tea) it gives me the shakes and mild palpitations.

Maybe I had too much :), but that's the problem with herbs, it's

almost impossible to standardize them without some refinement.

It is also a mydriatic. Why not use an inhaler?





To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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Subject: Re: Tincture Preperation

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In article <356F628C.8BE7FB7@home.com>, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



#I'd like everyone who tinctures, give their opinion on this. Is there a

#standard as to the of the % proof you need to use (minimum)? I've read

#at least 80proof, while other books say at least 100 proof vodka. I've

#tinctured using 80proof many times, couldn't say anything was wrong. The

#herbs came out good in the tincture, and the same solution is still good

#today (it's been 6+ months since the 1st tincture batch).

#

#-Val



I suggest that in most cases it is well worth the trouble to obtain 100 proof

(50%) alcohol, if only for the preservative effect, if not the extractive ones.



Sometimes there are obnoxious ingredients which you can avoid by using pure

alcohol. 



Always steep macerated tinctures in the dark; no sunlight allowed.



Store in 'well filled, tightly stoppered, amber-glass bottles'.



Most of my tinctures have lasted a minimum of 15 years at acceptable potency.



Best regards,



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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Well, of course you will get all sorts of responses to this question, and

for many herbs any amount of alcohol over 20% (40 proof) would be sufficient

to prevent spoilage.  Traditionally, though (i.e.: in old herbals, medical

texts, etc.) a "tincture" is an alcoholic extract, period.  Anything less

than 95% or so (190 proof) of alcohol produces a hydro-alcoholic extract,

hence by definition NOT a tincture.  Any more than about 5% or so of water

will prevent the extraction of many of the resinous and "oily" components -

they simply won't dissolve well where there is much water present.



This is easily seen for yourself.  Buy some tincture of benzoin at the drug

store, put a little in a small container (an old clean screw-top bottlecap

will work fine), then add just a few drops of water.  The tincture will

immediately turn cloudy and, upon sitting for a while, a precipitate will

form on the bottom.  The precipitate consists of all the essential

components that were not able to stay in solution along with the added

water.  If you made an extract of benzoin using an alcohol-water mixture

(like 100 proof vodka, 50% water) in the first place, these same components

would never have dissolved at all.



Now I have nothing against using less alcohol and more water if the

combination will work for the herb being extracted, but I do object to the

misuse of the word tincture.  Broadening the definition of tincture to

include mixtures that have entirely different effects (because of the

different constituents extracted from the herb) causes the word to loose

meaning, IMO.



-Rich



Valerian wrote in message <356F628C.8BE7FB7@home.com>...

>I'd like everyone who tinctures, give their opinion on this. Is there a

>standard as to the of the % proof you need to use (minimum)? I've read

>at least 80proof, while other books say at least 100 proof vodka. I've

>tinctured using 80proof many times, couldn't say anything was wrong. The

>herbs came out good in the tincture, and the same solution is still good

>today (it's been 6+ months since the 1st tincture batch).

>

>-Val

>

>====-*

>NO SPAM

>====-*

>

>

>

>> and put it in a canning jar and fill w// 100 proof vodka and let it sit

for at

>> least 6 weeks..shaking occaissionally.Strain and bottle..much more







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With regards to making tinctures I always start with 100 proof vodka

(everclear) and add distilled water if needed to reduce percentage of

alcohol.  Some herbs tincture best at different percentages of alcohol.  I

have a chart I got from one of my teachers.  I would love to use organic

alcohol but don't know where to obtain.  Eclectic herbs does all their

tincture in organic alcohol.



Green Blessings!

Ingrid







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On Sun, 31 May 1998 01:33:06 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I'd like everyone who tinctures, give their opinion on this. Is there a

>standard as to the of the % proof you need to use (minimum)? I've read

>at least 80proof, while other books say at least 100 proof vodka. I've

>tinctured using 80proof many times, couldn't say anything was wrong. The

>herbs came out good in the tincture, and the same solution is still good

>today (it's been 6+ months since the 1st tincture batch).



The Eclectics got very sophisticated getting the most out of any plant by using

a specific EtOH % - you do not want to waste the plant by using a higher or

lower percentage alcohol... 

You'll find the legacy from their sophistication eg. in Michael Moore's Materia

Medica (online at http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals).





The best % for -most- fresh herbs is 95 % EtOH. The idea being that plant

constituents usually are either water or alcohol soluble, and 

if you have water in the plant you do not want it in the alcohol; 

if you have no water in the plant you want it in the alcohol.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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#>> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially<BR>

#>> >migraine headaches.

#



Monitor your WATER INTAKE; drink at least 2 quarts of PLAIN WATER (no other

'fluid' counts as water) per day.



Check the health of your _stomach_; chronic stomach problems can be a causative

factor in chronic headache.



Check your dental health, especially upper tooth-roots, for possible infection.



Visit chiropractor/bodyworker for spinal extension/traction of upper

back/neck as a desired therapy.



Be sure to pay attention to your symptoms, make no assumptions, and see a

qualified 'health proactitioner' (MD, DO, DC) if headaches persist; this

can be a very serious symptom.



Best regards,



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



From quester@sjm.infi.net Thu Jun 04 06:32:50 1998

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From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

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On 30 May 1998 21:11:34 GMT, selji@aol.com (SElJI) wrote:



>>> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially<BR>

>>> >migraine headaches.



A number of people have had success in preventing migraines using

FEVERFEW.  It doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth a try.  



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I've also had luck with a strong Thyme tea... tastes nasty if TOO strong,

but it does work for some people.



Good luck...



Harold Groot wrote in message <3570bb5f.21290742@news.sjm.infi.net>...

>On 30 May 1998 21:11:34 GMT, selji@aol.com (SElJI) wrote:

>

>>>> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially<BR>

>>>> >migraine headaches.

>

>A number of people have had success in preventing migraines using

>FEVERFEW.  It doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth a try.







From willgee@earthlink.net Fri Jun 05 19:30:43 1998

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I grow feverfew in my window box and chew a leaf every day if I think of

it. Migraine symptoms have receded over the last 3 years. Also find

Reiki therapy has helped a lot with the migraine aura.  willgee



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Also keeping a headache diary can help - food can trigger migranes.







From Fidget@warwick.net Mon Jun 01 09:18:38 1998

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JiaStar wrote:

> 

> >We are going the alternative route.  Any suggestions/advice would be

> >appreciated by our family.  No charlatans, please, for goodness' sake.

> >This is a desperate reaching out for true compassion from fellow human

> >beings, after all.

> 

> I wld reccommend the book Prescription for Nutritional healing -- it has

> sections on cancer as well as tumors -- Lots of advice on supplemnts and diet

> 

> also look for books on Nutritiona nd cancer ----

> 

> ive heard of one cld "what to eat when you have cancer"

> 

> And i wish u and yr mom the best possible outcome -----

> 

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong

> Celestial Creations

> http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

> Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





Sorry but those methods are too weak to do any good.  You need The

Incurables Program and it must be followed exactly!  You don't play

around with cancer and if this is the way you are choosing, then make

sure you do it right.



The Incurables Program:

http://www.healthfree.com/schulze/index.html



Make sure you read and study the site well.  You will definitely need

someone to help you with this.



I will keep you in my prayers.



Hugs

Fidget



From zambonis_mom@yahoodoo.com Mon Jun 01 12:59:19 1998

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Hi all,



I have been taking St. John's Wort for the last year.  When I went to

the local Whole Foods to purchase it for the first time, the person

working in the herb department suggested that I use the tincture

variety rather than the capsules for better, more uniform delivery.



I use the Eclectic Institute brand, and have used both the alcohol and

glycerine suspension.



My results have been good, but my question is this:  There is now a

brand of SJW in either pill or capsule form by the same company (I

think) that does the Kwai garlic tabs and the Ginkoba gingko tabs.

Their advertising is making me wonder if the cap/pill or the tincture

is the best delivery method.



Any suggestions?



Zamboni's Mom

Friend to Goats 



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Personally, I would suggest boycotting these products, i.e., Ginkoba and

the like. They push the facts about the herbs, but yet these products

are allowed to be sold claiming medicinal benefits, whereas the original

herb (where "ginkoba, for example, came from) CANNOT be labeled with its

health benefits! WHY IS THIS???? It's idiotic. I'd suggest sticking with

herbs that aren't marketed in cute packages that are FDA approved. 



-Val



* We are all illusions



==

NO SPAM





Zamboni's Mom wrote:

> 

> Hi all,

> 

> I have been taking St. John's Wort for the last year.  When I went to

> the local Whole Foods to purchase it for the first time, the person

> working in the herb department suggested that I use the tincture

> variety rather than the capsules for better, more uniform delivery.

> 

> I use the Eclectic Institute brand, and have used both the alcohol and

> glycerine suspension.

> 

> My results have been good, but my question is this:  There is now a

> brand of SJW in either pill or capsule form by the same company (I

> think) that does the Kwai garlic tabs and the Ginkoba gingko tabs.

> Their advertising is making me wonder if the cap/pill or the tincture

> is the best delivery method.

> 

> Any suggestions?

> 

> Zamboni's Mom

> Friend to Goats



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From: darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

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On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 11:31:53 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>Personally, I would suggest boycotting these products, i.e., Ginkoba and

>the like. They push the facts about the herbs, but yet these products

>are allowed to be sold claiming medicinal benefits, whereas the original

>herb (where "ginkoba, for example, came from) CANNOT be labeled with its

>health benefits! WHY IS THIS???? It's idiotic. I'd suggest sticking with

>herbs that aren't marketed in cute packages that are FDA approved. 

>

>-Val

>

...plus they charge at least 3 times the price of the regular

standardized herb.



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I am a firm believer in tinctures vs the "standardized capsules".  With the

tincture you get the energy of the whole plant.







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Some months ago, there was an announcement of a new pill that caused

hair to grow back (within limits) where the loss was due to 'MPB.'

In digging a bit, it seemed that this was a matter of this pill

increasing estrogen levels. The claim was that it would also Not

induce other secondary female aspects, such as breast growth. 



Does anyone have any thoughts on this?



Me, I'm old enough and (re)tired enough to not give a rat's fuzzy

backside about growing boobs. It's that no one seems to be willing

to hire someone that Looks Old and that implies that they are

looking at the hair line.



A R Ogden



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On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:21:25 -0700, A R Ogden <arog@gte.net> wrote:



>Me, I'm old enough and (re)tired enough to not give a rat's fuzzy

>backside about growing boobs. It's that no one seems to be willing

>to hire someone that Looks Old and that implies that they are

>looking at the hair line.



If you think personnel offices have a problem with Male Pattern Baldness, you

haven't lived until you've seen their reaction to Guys With Teats.



Deke















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From annawolf@msn.com Sun Jun 07 09:05:04 1998

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    Yeah, ther is always 2 conversations going on with us "humans," the

superficial conversation, and the real conversation, which comes from our

animal nature.

    The fact that most of us deny our animal nature--from vanity, arrogance,

social mythology, whatever--only serves to make us slaves to it.

    Once the animal aspect of self is acknowledged/studied, only then will

it not rule us, and we then are able to choose a higher viewpoint,

la-de-dah(musical notes and such here).

    Just my opinion, of course.

Anna Wolf :-)

deke.spamblock@generous.net wrote in message

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>On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:21:25 -0700, A R Ogden <arog@gte.net> wrote:

>

>>Me, I'm old enough and (re)tired enough to not give a rat's fuzzy

>>backside about growing boobs. It's that no one seems to be willing

>>to hire someone that Looks Old and that implies that they are

>>looking at the hair line.

>

>If you think personnel offices have a problem with Male Pattern Baldness,

you

>haven't lived until you've seen their reaction to Guys With Teats.

>

>Deke

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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From arog@gte.net Mon Jun 01 14:30:37 1998

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Some years ago (ca 10 to 20) SciAm had an article on "floaters" that

I recall as explaining a great deal about them. 



Basically, they are loose opaque objects (such as blood cells) floating

inside the eye. They are 'out of focus' because of their location

within the eye. 



I will specutlate that those that are more nearly shadows are more

indicative of a problem than those that show other focus aspects such as

rings around the objects. 



Also of concern is ANY moderatly recent substantive shaking of the head

or impact near the eye. 



It would indeed be a good idea to get an 'eye-exam' to see if there

were other problems that these were 'announcing.'



Alan Ogden



 





Elvis wrote:

> 

> woke up yesterday morning with a rather largish floater in right

> eye....

> 

> never happened before....age 49 relatively good health, male

> 

> any thoughts?

> 

> gonna do Bilberry extract starting today...any other ideas?? HELP!!



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I didn't see the original post, but this is what I know about floaters. I first

noticed them when I entered grad school, and had to look at vellum on a drafting

table. I went right to an eye doctor, and he said that floaters are blood

vessels that are supposed to be absorbed into the 7-month-fetus eyes. For some

reason, if they are not, usually, at about age 27 (I was 30 when I noticed

them), they reappear as a kind of flotsam or jetsom in the vision field. 



They do no harm, it's just they can be distracting. I never even notice them

anymore, learning to live with them can be easy. 

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From PZOOKS@prodigy.net Mon Jun 01 16:02:15 1998

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jonny wrote:

> 

> Hi, i was wondering what would be some effective herbs, and vitaims to help

> with acne, and to reduce scaring.  Thank you very much,

> p.s < please reply to my e-mail address!!>

> vdvliert@telusplanet.net

> 

> Jonny



I have found Hydrogen Peroxide to be very effective at stopping acne, if

applied early enough. Apply and let sit for a minute or two. If still

wet after that, just dry it off. Do this once or twice a day...



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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Subject: Re: acne

Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:34:33 GMT

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In article <01bd8ca9$8a730f80$83966ccb@aljan.aljan.com.au>,

  "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Why don't you try finding out what causes your acne, I found that my acne

> was caused by a wheat/dairy allergy!  My sister has this same problem but

> only with dairy food.  Since altering my diet I havent had any problems!

>



Well said.  Believe it or not, a lot of people could eliminate their skin

problems by looking at food intolerances such as those mentioned above.

I've come to see that there are basically two types of personalities with

acne/problem skin:  Those that are more prone to adhere to medical science

first and foremost, and, those who are more willing to look into the problem

on their own, and experiment with natural means, be they herbs, foods, etc.



It all depends on your mindset.  To say one way is better than the other is

simply untrue.  I myself, am providing one more choice.  In the end, it's up

to the individual.  Let no government or institution (medical) force ANYONE to

 say "you can only choose this one method for eliminating acne/problem skin".

Everyone...Keep on posting your OWN personal views.  Just because some Derm

say accutane is "the best approach" and "diet has NO effect"...HOGWASH! Ask

ten derms about diet and you'll get ten different answers.



Jim Iannelli

http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/abtface/page1.html

http://www.clear-skin.com



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From minew@hotmail.com Mon Jun 01 20:14:48 1998

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From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

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Subject: Re: acne

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Believe me, it took me a lot of years to realise that my skin problems were

being caused by *something* and not just a natural hormone thing as my

doctor would like to think. I took cortisones and tried every cream and

herb and vitamin there is! hhaha  In 5 years my doctor never once suggested

that i could have food allergies..but looking back now it was so

obvious..Why arent doctors more educated in this way?  After all 1 in 4

people will have an intolerance to dairy food, isnt that signifant enough?



I sometimes see people in the street or wherever with chronic acne, or

rashes and I wonder what allergy they have and I want to say something, but

even if you do they dont believe you!..weird!  Actually I have a friend who

has very bad Psoriasis and I suggested to him to try a wheat free diet,

showed him how mine had cleared right up etc..And he truly believed that a

person couldnt live without wheat!..haha even though I'm living proof that

you can!



Ahhh enough rambling, I dont believe that food allergy is the cause of

*everyones* acne/skin problems, but I would like to see the average person

made more aware, and doctors too.



abtface@gowebway.com wrote in article <6kul6p$8a2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> In article <01bd8ca9$8a730f80$83966ccb@aljan.aljan.com.au>,

>   "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > Why don't you try finding out what causes your acne, I found that my

acne

> > was caused by a wheat/dairy allergy!  My sister has this same problem

but

> > only with dairy food.  Since altering my diet I havent had any

problems!

> >

> 

> Well said.  Believe it or not, a lot of people could eliminate their skin

> problems by looking at food intolerances such as those mentioned above.

> I've come to see that there are basically two types of personalities with

> acne/problem skin:  Those that are more prone to adhere to medical

science

> first and foremost, and, those who are more willing to look into the

problem

> on their own, and experiment with natural means, be they herbs, foods,

etc.

> 

> It all depends on your mindset.  To say one way is better than the other

is

> simply untrue.  I myself, am providing one more choice.  In the end, it's

up

> to the individual.  Let no government or institution (medical) force

ANYONE to

>  say "you can only choose this one method for eliminating acne/problem

skin".

> Everyone...Keep on posting your OWN personal views.  Just because some

Derm

> say accutane is "the best approach" and "diet has NO effect"...HOGWASH!

Ask

> ten derms about diet and you'll get ten different answers.

> 

> Jim Iannelli

> http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/abtface/page1.html

> http://www.clear-skin.com

> 

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> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

> 



From logic@dircon.co.uk Thu Jun 04 08:14:10 1998

From: logic@dircon.co.uk (Kat)

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wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski) wrote:



> a> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:34:33 GMT

> a> Subject: Re: acne

> a> From: abtface@gowebway.com

>

> a>   "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>

>>> Why don't you try finding out what causes your acne, I

>>> found that my acne was caused by a wheat/dairy allergy!

>>> My sister has this same problem but only with dairy food.

>>> Since altering my diet I havent had any problems!



Two other things to consider when looking into adult acne -

hypothyroidism and, for women, polycystic ovaries.  Both conditions

are usually but not always accompanied by weight gain.  



polycystic ovaries are easily diagnosed with a simple ultrasound scan.

Thyroid is much trickier, the blood tests are very unreliable, yet

doctors trust in them implicitly.  The best way to test for thyroid is

the basal temperature test.  Here is a URL explaining the test and

further stuff about hypothyroidism.



http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/schacter/hypothyr.d.htm



Adult acne is a prime example of a symptom that gets treated as the

disease by doctors.  Instead of asking why a person is imbalanced

enough to have acne, they just throw medication at the patient.

Fatigue is also commonly dismissed, which is another symptom that can

be caused by all three of the things mentioned.  Most doctors will not

take the time to check these things out, so it is up to us.  I

sincerely hope that nothing is seriously wrong with you and that a

simple change in diet is all you need, but please check out the other

things just to be sure.  hypothyroidism is easy to treat and makes

such a difference!



Well, I'll jump down off my hobby horse now.:)  



Take care,,

Kat



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From PZOOKS@prodigy.net Mon Jun 01 16:06:04 1998

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jwwright wrote:

> 

> PZOOKS wrote:

> >

> > Seasons wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

> > > It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

> > > years.

> > > michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...

> >

> > Let me say, honey does work although it only took a week to see the

> > results for me. My neighbor took 3 months, but she was able to get off

> > of her prescription meds...

> >

> >   Regards,

> > Prof. Zooks

> i think it must depend on what kind of allergy you have. for example, i

> never had any luck with honey for ragweed. perhaps the bees don't mess

> with ragweed? regards.



Perhaps you should try a honey from a local beekeeper. My neighbor told

me this only works with Goldenblossom honey, but it seems to me that

local produce should also work..



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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michael brown wrote:

> 

> jwwright wrote:

> >

> > PZOOKS wrote:

> > >

> > > Seasons wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

> > > > It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

> > > > years.

> > > > michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...

> > >

> > > Let me say, honey does work although it only took a week to see the

> > > results for me. My neighbor took 3 months, but she was able to get off

> > > of her prescription meds...

> > >

> > >   Regards,

> > > Prof. Zooks

> > i think it must depend on what kind of allergy you have. for example, i

> > never had any luck with honey for ragweed. perhaps the bees don't mess

> > with ragweed? regards.

> 

> Hmmmm, that makes SENSE! Neither would it work for allergies to

> cats/dogs/etc.... ;o)

> 

> --

> regards,

> 

> michael brown

> mbrown@kih.net

Allergies to cats & dogs is from dandruff. Don't think I'd want honey

made out of that... ;(



  Regards,

    PZ.



From jmacdona@nbnet.nb.ca Mon Jun 01 16:47:23 1998

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From: "Christina C." <jmacdona@nbnet.nb.ca>

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Hi all!

I have just subscribed to this group and was looking for some info. I

have done soooo much reading on SJW to determine it's safety during bf.

What I have found is that it was considered unsafe bc it's proposed MAO

inhibition, but that's now outdated info. So now that it is found to be

more like an SSRI without the side effects, hmmmm, I am left to make an

educated guess because there is a mixture of opinions from doc's, some

say it's safe to take prozac with close monitoring of the infant others

say "no way". There has been no actual research on SJW and breastfeeding

but I did find out that in Europe it is taken and considered safe during

lactation and there has been no reported problems yet despite the fact

that breastfeeding and SJW have been around for a very long time.

Does anyone have information other than this?

Thanks! ~Christina~ :-)





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Pau d' arco (in low doses), garlic, echinacea, red clover, and dandelion =

are a few. Check into these.=20

Raw almonds contain laetrile, which has anti-cancer properties. Eat =

plenty of cruciferous veggies, like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage and =

Brussels sprouts. Also eat deep yellow and deep orange veggies.

Berries, Brazil nuts, cherries, cantaloupe, grapes, plums, and legumes =

all fight cancer. As do apples. There is also the avoidance of red =

meats, luncheon meats, hot dogs, smoked and cured meats. Also avoid junk =

foods, processed refined foods, saturated fats, salt, sugar, and white =

flour. Limit consumption of dairy products. As condition improves, eat =

broiled fish 3 times per week.



I would start with the nutritional therapy, as there aren't many herbs =

you can use for cancer while pregnant.=20

As far as the cramping is concerned, over 50 percent of women have =

cramping in early pregnancy. They don't all have miscarriages.



There are many choices to be made, and learning you will need to do. I =

wish you well, and may God bless you.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









From mbrown@kih.net Mon Jun 01 18:51:32 1998

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From: michael brown <mbrown@kih.net>

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Subject: Re: STEVIA HERB

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Many of my neighbors are Amish, and there are several businesses owned

by them near me.  I frequent the little food store they have and today

found a bag of stevia leaves (chopped up). I brought it home with me and

IT IS SWEET!



Fairly expensive though, but as you say it takes so little, maybe it

will last a long time.



-- 

regards,



michael brown

mbrown@kih.net



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Can this be grown? Seed? Requirements?



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>Can this be grown? Seed? Requirements?



Yes you can grow it.  I received a small Stevia plant for mother's day and

while it took a bit to figure out just how it likes it conditions, it's now

growing very nicely. :)  It appears to like a lot of sun and a lot of water.



It's a tender perennial herb, which means it won't winter over if left

outside...your tagline says you're in alaska so  you'll have to grow it inside

there.



You can order the plant from Richters....www.richters.com or look around at

your local nursery.  We're almost over run with it here right now.



Beth

The Truth is Out There



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RedWitch04 wrote:

> 

> >Can this be grown? Seed? Requirements?

> 

> Yes you can grow it.  I received a small Stevia plant for mother's day and

> while it took a bit to figure out just how it likes it conditions, it's now

> growing very nicely. :)  It appears to like a lot of sun and a lot of water.

> 

> It's a tender perennial herb, which means it won't winter over if left

> outside...your tagline says you're in alaska so  you'll have to grow it inside

> there.

> 

> You can order the plant from Richters....www.richters.com or look around at

> your local nursery.  We're almost over run with it here right now.

> 

> Beth

> The Truth is Out There



I bought the plant through Richters about 5 years ago.  It grew great

until my son desided to play with snails by the plant.  They loved it!



J9



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Hey all, I am looking for a good treatment for blisters.  Friction and burn.

Please send them via email, I really don't get a chance to check the

newsgroups very often..



3445ue6@cmich.edu



Nick











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For friction blisters, if you catch them early, sterilise a small needle

and thread a fairly thick line of cotton through the unbroken blister;

try not to let air get in.



Press gently until most of the moisture is out then place a plaster over

the blister with the thread (but not the needle) still in place with two

ends protruding from the blister. 



I have done this many times on my feet after long walks: often the outer

layer of skin will stay intact and heal back if you get the thread in

soon enough. The thread lets exess fluid escape but keeps air out.



Nick <mcmullen@tir.com> writes

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>Please send them via email, I really don't get a chance to check the

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>

>3445ue6@cmich.edu

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Stephen,

I read that applying Vit. E a few times a day will greatly reduce the size

of a mole; and, that, in some cases, will eliminate it completely.  I have

reduced a couple of them to less that half of their original size with this

method.

Delores



Stephen W. Anderson <swa@rockymountnc.com> wrote in article

<01bd8a40$d53062e0$56e4c9cf@swa>...

> Most everyone, as he becomes middle-aged, gets a few moles that enlarge

> into little fleshy spots. What have you folks discovered about getting

rid

> of them, short of going to the doctor and having them removed with

squirts

> of liquid nitrogen?

> 

> -- 

> 

> Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

> (To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws"

to

> "swa".)

> 

> 



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> Stephen W. Anderson <swa@rockymountnc.com> wrote in article

> <01bd8a40$d53062e0$56e4c9cf@swa>...



> > Most everyone, as he becomes middle-aged, gets a few moles that enlarge

> > into little fleshy spots. What have you folks discovered about getting

> > rid of them, short of going to the doctor and having them removed with

> > squirts of liquid nitrogen?

> > 

> > -- 

> > 

> > Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

> > (To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws"

> to

> > "swa".)

> > 

> > 

> 

> 

Mine anestitizes my "tags" with the most painful stuff I have ever 

experienced - it hurts for as long as it takes to inhale quickly - then 

it's gone. He then lifts and cuts and seals the wound with a laser. I 

don't do another thing. The fact that they are gone for good and no 

longer something I have to worry about is more than worth the pain. Last 

week I had 5 removed in less than 10 minutes - Never had liquid nitrogen, 

myself. DH has, for a wart, and it didn't work!



My 2p

Cissy 



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On 1 Jun 1998 16:43:44 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:



>Stephen,

>I read that applying Vit. E a few times a day will greatly reduce the size

>of a mole; and, that, in some cases, will eliminate it completely.  I have

>reduced a couple of them to less that half of their original size with this

>method.



My lord! You realize how much it would cost to spray an entire garden to 

get rid of moles?



Oh, wait, you mean a growth on the skin?



Never mind.

Emily Litella







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How long did it take the E-oil to have an effect, and did you leave it open

after application or cover it with a bandaid to hold it on? Someone else

suggested castor oil, but a couple of weeks of that have produced no

results I can detect. Another couple of such weeks and I'll be ready to

start trying something else.

 

-- 



Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

(To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws" to

"swa".)





> > On 1 Jun 1998 16:43:44 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:

> > >I read that applying Vit. E a few times a day will greatly reduce the

size

> > >of a mole; and, that, in some cases, will eliminate it completely.  I

have

> > >reduced a couple of them to less that half of their original size with

this

> > >method.





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i am totally new to the herbal world, and i need information on

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You might try stinging nettle for your problems with arthritis. It is said to

work externally as well as internally.



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Hi, 

I've been living in an apartment for the last few years, now my

boyfriend and I will be renting his mother's house. I live in

Massachusetts and was wondering what herbs will grow well outside in

this area. I'd like to grow chamomile, lavender, or other flowering

plants. I've already started basil, parsley and oregano seedlings. Any

other suggestions????

Thanks





Blessed be,

Kitiara Silvermooon



k_silvermoon@geocities.com

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With cold rain and burning sun

With many trees or maybe one

I say goodbye, goodnight, fair well

For kindness makes the witch's spell.



(The Witch's Spell By Arian Wolf)



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> I live in

>Massachusetts and was wondering what herbs will grow well outside in

>this area. I'd like to grow chamomile, lavender, or other flowering

>plants.



Those will all grow well here...the lavender you should take some care with in

the fall.  After the first frost heap some fallen leaves around the base of the

plant to help keep the roots from freezing.



>I've already started basil, parsley and oregano seedlings. Any

>other suggestions????



All of those will also grow well here, remember the basil is an annual, you'll

have to collect seeds from it (if you allow it flower) or buy new basil plants

the next year.



I'm in CT and I have growing outside:

Lavender, Elecampagne, Spanish Broom, Valerian, Oregano, Lemon Thyme, Lemon

Balm, Foxglove, St. John's Wort, Scullcap, Vervain, Hyssop, Cowslip,

Mints..(.if you do those grow them in containers!) Mullein, Primrose, Rue,

Chickory, Basil, Dill, Catnip, Soapwort, Horehound, Comfrey, Common Mallow,

Marshmallow, Motherwort, Pennyroyal.  There's more out there but I can't think

of them right now.



Good luck with your new garden!

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

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My daughter is a weekly boarder at her school. I get the impression

that a balanced diet is available and she says that she eats plenty of

fruit and vegetables. Even so, she tells me that she only has a bowel

movement about 3 times a week. Previously she went daily.

She also treats us to some rather frequent and sulphurous bouts of

flatulence.  I've considered dosing her with some syrup of figs, but

wonder if there may be a more effective and appropriate remedy.



Tony Halmarack

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If in fact yr daughter has not changed her diet and her BMs have changed so

significantly then a Dr visit is in order -- it may simply 



b a result of stress being away fr home tc. - the gas is a result of the slow

movements



personally i only have  BM 2-3 times a week - sometimes even less frequently -

tho my diet isnt the greatest this is also how ive always been



so it could also be her body just changing gears so to speak





Blessed Be

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On Mon, 01 Jun 1998, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:



>My daughter is a weekly boarder at her school. I get the impression

>that a balanced diet is available and she says that she eats plenty of

>fruit and vegetables. Even so, she tells me that she only has a bowel

>movement about 3 times a week. Previously she went daily.

>She also treats us to some rather frequent and sulphurous bouts of

>flatulence.



Such flatulence can be caused by undiagnosed celiac disease, a.k.a. gluten

intolerance. Has her gluten consumption gone up at school? Wheat is a cheap

food and I would expect used a lot in such situations.



Constipation can also be linked with gluten. Here's an article:



Date:    Fri, 12 Jan 1996 16:37:31 PST

Sender:  Celiac/Coeliac Wheat/Gluten-Free <CELIAC@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From:    "Donald D. Kasarda" <kasarda@PW.USDA.GOV>

Subject: constipation/celiac disease



Probably the first published description (I think there have been others

since) of constipation in celiac patients before diagnosis was published in

1972, where 12 out of 112 children were noted to have been constipated at

some time before diagnosis.  The exact reference follows:



Bridget Egan-Mitchell and Brian McNicholl. 1972. Constipation in childhood

celiac disease. Archives of Disease in Childhood 47:238-240.





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Hello Tony,



First I have no doubt that the menu at her school will provide a

balanced diet.  However most mass catering operations will not have

the same "Quality" that you would provide at home.  



The irregularity of bowel movements is a good indication of a lack of

fibre in the diet.  The flatulence could just be part of the slow

passage of waste through the body.  Unless the stools are much larger

than they previously were, I would look to increasing the intake of

fibre.  



Dealing with the flatulence, and going back to menu at her school,

often large catering operations will utilise pre-prepared ingredients,

this can increase the amount of eggs in the diet.  This can cause an

increase in flatulence as well as the odour.  Freshly ground Black

Pepper can counter this, but I realise this may not be available at

her school.  



While I realise it may not be possible, you should obtain good

information from the school about the quality of the menu and the

quantity as well.  In my experience most mass catering operations do

not provide enough to feed a flea let alone a growing child who will

need a good calorie intake to feed her growth and activities.



I hope this helps.



On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:14:32 GMT, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony

Halmarack) wrote:



>My daughter is a weekly boarder at her school. I get the impression

>that a balanced diet is available and she says that she eats plenty of

>fruit and vegetables. Even so, she tells me that she only has a bowel

>movement about 3 times a week. Previously she went daily.

>She also treats us to some rather frequent and sulphurous bouts of

>flatulence.  I've considered dosing her with some syrup of figs, but

>wonder if there may be a more effective and appropriate remedy.

>

>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk





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On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:21:29 GMT,

ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:



>Hello Tony,

>

>First I have no doubt that the menu at her school will provide a

>balanced diet.  However most mass catering operations will not have

>the same "Quality" that you would provide at home.  



That's true. They have qualified chefs and I can barely use a can

opener without a visit to the casualty department :-<



>The irregularity of bowel movements is a good indication of a lack of

>fibre in the diet.  The flatulence could just be part of the slow

>passage of waste through the body.  Unless the stools are much larger

>than they previously were, I would look to increasing the intake of

>fibre.  



Good point. Trouble is, whichever way I spell porridge, the suggestion

usually gets the thumbs down.





>Dealing with the flatulence, and going back to menu at her school,

>often large catering operations will utilise pre-prepared ingredients,

>this can increase the amount of eggs in the diet.  



This is a very interesting point. The problem certainly has eggy

undertones.



>This can cause an

>increase in flatulence as well as the odour.  Freshly ground Black

>Pepper can counter this, but I realise this may not be available at

>her school.  



I'll suggest a liberal use of fresh black pepper. 



>While I realise it may not be possible, you should obtain good

>information from the school about the quality of the menu and the

>quantity as well.  In my experience most mass catering operations do

>not provide enough to feed a flea let alone a growing child who will

>need a good calorie intake to feed her growth and activities.



The imperfections of the school diet are well and frequently aired by

the pupils (nothing new there). I do know that the diet is pretty good

overall, if not finely tuned to the individual. However, if my

daughter only eats what she likes, there may be a shortfall.

Fortunately, she's in the unusual position of being able to return to

the bosom of the family several times a day, and the creak of the

fridge door is the usual indicator that she's arrived.



My own pet theory is that the intensity of the time tabling,

punctuated by urgent bells (worthy of the Pavlov lab) allows little

time for comfortable reverie during morning ablutions. This

preparation for the brave new world seems to be seriously intensive

stuff. Good job we've got computers to lighten the load 8)





>I hope this helps.



It certainly raised some interesting points for me.



Thanks,



Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



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This bowel problem could be caused by a variety of things. Remedies

are different for different causes. The thing I would try first is

activated charcoal tablets or capsules. If it is just something smelly

sticking to the inside of her, the charcoal will draw it out and

neutralize it. This remedy also won't do her any harm. Just a day or

two of one or two charcoal pills a day should be enough. This can be

done at the weekend along with plenty of fluids. If the sulfurous

smell does not go away, I would suggest discreet enquiries to other

parents to see if anyone else is having the same problem. At that

point, a trip to the doctor might be in order, to see if she has a

gastrointestinal infection causing the smell. I have never used syrup

of figs, it is not in common use in the U.S., so I don't know how

rough it is on the insides. Eating one dried fig anight with a glass

of water is something some folks swear by as a gentle laxative. It is

also impotant to consider whether stress might be a factor. My son had

dreadful stomach cramps that turned out to be caused almost entirely

by stress, plus a mild dairy intolerance. Sulfurous flatulence does

raise the possibility of a gastrointestinal infection, though, so be

sure to follow up if the problem continues or recurrs, as some types

of parisitic infection have a life cycle of several weeks.  Good luck,

Sabra





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Athene Fuex wrote:

> 

> I have a sebaceous cyst growing and it seems to be infected.  I'm not

> able to get into the doctor until next week late and was wondering if

> there is some kind of poultice I could put on it to kind of relieve 

> the inflammation and infection?



Doctor?  Why?  Is it in a location which you can not reach to open it 

yourself with a needle and then apply ointment after it is drained?  

Quite likely, that is all the doctor will do.  The Watkins Company 

makes an ointment called Petro-Carbo Salve which is very effective 

at 'drawing' boils; I suspect it would relieve this inflammation also 

and bring it more quickly to a 'head' to be drained.



-Kyra [who gets bitty 'synovial pearl' cysts and frees them with the 

tip of a sterile x-acto blade]



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ummm.. yeah (blushes).  Thanks for the tip.  I already saw the doctor

(cancelled appt.) and that's exactly what he did.  Poked it and drained it

and then put me on oral antibiotics (which I didn't get the prescription

filled -- will use goldenseal).  But I'll try the Petro-Carbo Salve.



A



Lady Necessity wrote in message <35730E7A.10D2@flash.net>...

>Athene Fuex wrote:

>>

>> I have a sebaceous cyst growing and it seems to be infected.  I'm not

>> able to get into the doctor until next week late and was wondering if

>> there is some kind of poultice I could put on it to kind of relieve

>> the inflammation and infection?

>

>Doctor?  Why?  Is it in a location which you can not reach to open it

>yourself with a needle and then apply ointment after it is drained?

>Quite likely, that is all the doctor will do.  The Watkins Company

>makes an ointment called Petro-Carbo Salve which is very effective

>at 'drawing' boils; I suspect it would relieve this inflammation also

>and bring it more quickly to a 'head' to be drained.

>

>-Kyra [who gets bitty 'synovial pearl' cysts and frees them with the

>tip of a sterile x-acto blade]







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Any advice on growing and using (homegrown) St. John's Wort?



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>Any advice on growing and using (homegrown) St. John's Wort?

>

>



It appears to like a nice sunny spot in the garden..reproduces, for me anyway,

more by runners than by seeds.  I've got little SJW's popping up all over the

place and it didn't even flower last year.



You can go through all the steps for making your own SJW pills if you like...I

find it easier to purchase them at the store.  It does make a vey nice oil for

cuts, scrapes, burns and bruises.





Beth

The Truth is Out There



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On Sat, 30 May 1998, Timothy Timbrook wrote:



> 

> Ya. Medicating bipolars can be real tricky. I was speaking mainly of 

> the "despressive" phase of their cycle. Don't know alot that works for

> the "manic" phase. Certainly nothing that works for everyone.

> 

> 

> 

> 

Yeah, there is something that works for everyone - or at least I don't 

know of anyone it doesn't work for...exercise...and lots of it. Whether 

BP or simple clinical depression some form of excercise will help.



My daughter chooses to run - and now that she has 3 kids, she walks 

pulling them in the wagon when it isn't convenient to leave them with 

someone while she runs. Her DH isn't convinced that the problem is BP - 

but he's usually willing to let her leave all 3 with him (they are all 

under 4) while she runs - sometimes for 45 minutes or more...but she 

always gets home in a better mood and it lasts for a good long while. 



Sometimes the simple answers are oft overlooked.  I know that BP isn't 

simple, but try exercising. 



My 2p

Cissy



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> Stephen Fraser wrote:

> > 

> > Now here's a question.

> > 

> > I've heard that Marijuana can be of some help in this area.  Is this

> > complete bull or is there some truth to it?

> > 

> > BiPolar Disorder (and OCD which I also have a mild case of)  is

> > centered in the same part of the brain that gives rise to epilepsy and

> > apparently studies have been done that show some epilepsy can be

> > controlled by Marijuana.

> > 

> > Comments?

> > 

> > Many well days,

> > 

> > Stephen Fraser





By strange coincidence...this type of research is exactly what we do 

here. There is no real hard evidence that marijuana can help BPs. It is 

all ancedotal. No research has been conducted in the specifics of 

marijuana and BPs at all. 



General concensus by the researchers here is ...hmmm...it 

probably wouldn't hurt a BPII much...but it certainly won't help. It 

could kick off an episode (either depression or manic, depending on the 

road you were on to begin with). So, the best recomendation is "don't do 

it"



My 2p

Cissy  



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.

> Marijuana essentially promotes a sense of well-being and encourages

> sleep (valerian, eat your heart out!) but can increase the pyschotic

> tendencies of those succeptable. It also has a huge affect on appetite.

> If you use it, your appetite will increase greatly.



I used to have great trouble sleeping, so I tried marijuana, I'd have a

couple of puffs on a rolled joint before retiring, and if you think I had

trouble getting to sleep before the marijuana you should have seen me while

taking this stuff, my mind became so active that there was no way i could

have slept!!!! My pulse rate goes way up, along with feelings of panic and

fear, and also did some really deep thinking, in all, a very strange

experience!..needless to say I never tried it again..haha..Did i have too

much?..I dont know, it was only 2 - 3 puffs!



But not all people react this way, I know a few people who smoke marijuana

regularly as a recreational drug, including my boyfriend, and believe me

his libido is NOT reduced..hehe



My advice would be to try it and see how YOU feel taking it, I think it's

good for some and bad for others.  You could try a weaker form (ie - the

leaves) first.





> Common side effects are paranoia. Short-term memory loss is inevitable

> (though it does return). Enhanced hearing/night vision and possible

> lethargy are also common. Libido is also reduced. Temporal awareness is

> affected, minutes go to hours or vice versa.The doseage needs to be

> controlled carefully.

> It has a generally calming effect and often removes all aggression.

> Why do you think it's use  is "overlooked" by prison authorities?

> It's use is not intrinsically dangerous but it's worth pointing out that

> it can become psychologically dependant, though not physically.

> As it is illegal in many countries, the purity of the drug is a problem.

> The active alkaloid is Tetrahydrocannibol (THC). The effects can last

> for between four to nine hours.

> I have (as mentioned before) seen a marked improvement in bi-polar

> patients but each case should be carefully considered.

> The danger to me personally, is the "coming down", when I feel more

> depressed and suicidal for an hour or two. I get more depressive the

> morning after. My moods are more likely to swing from moment to moment.

> Don't mix it with caffeine or alcohol (this is the reason for my morinig

> after moods). If smoking is out, try it orally.

> My mistake is mixing it with alcohol. A No-No. To get back to your

> question, it's not bull. Please be careful, though, it's a very active

> mind-altering drug and should be used medicinally with caution.

> 

> krow

>

> (REM)

> 



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On 2 Jun 1998 05:46:26 GMT, 

Stacey  <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:



>..

>> Marijuana essentially promotes a sense of well-being and encourages

>> sleep (valerian, eat your heart out!) but can increase the pyschotic

>> tendencies of those succeptable. It also has a huge affect on appetite.

>> If you use it, your appetite will increase greatly.

>

>I used to have great trouble sleeping, so I tried marijuana, I'd have a

>couple of puffs on a rolled joint before retiring, and if you think I had

>trouble getting to sleep before the marijuana you should have seen me while

>taking this stuff, my mind became so active that there was no way i could

>have slept!!!! My pulse rate goes way up, along with feelings of panic and

>fear, and also did some really deep thinking, in all, a very strange

>experience!..needless to say I never tried it again..haha..Did i have too

>much?..I dont know, it was only 2 - 3 puffs!

>

>But not all people react this way, I know a few people who smoke marijuana

>regularly as a recreational drug, including my boyfriend, and believe me

>his libido is NOT reduced..hehe

>

>My advice would be to try it and see how YOU feel taking it, I think it's

>good for some and bad for others.  You could try a weaker form (ie - the

>leaves) first.

...



Another tricky thing about marijuana is: not all marijuana is the 

same. Depending how it's cultivated, etc, you can have very different 

marijuana. I've read there are many variants if THC, depending on 

various conditions when it's grown. Actually there's alot of info 

floating around on different kinds of "pot" and it's effects. Erm... 

I hasitate calling it various isomers of THC because it has been many 

years since I've read much on "pot culture". From (distant) past 

experiences I know it's true that not all pot is the same. Potency is 

a separate issue as well. Some can be mildly hallucinagenic<sp?> while 

others seem to be very sedating or relaxing.



So to summarize: I doubt any hard conclusions can be made without 

serious scientific studies being made on the various forms of THC

and their effect on various forms of illnesses.



Tim



p.s. You want something mildly sedating/relaxing, I'd suggest hops.

(some ppl even smoke it.;)





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Try using a considerable quantity of POWEDERED HAWTHORNE BERRY, perhaps

2-heaping tbs/day. Put this into a blender with powdered ELUTHERO root

(Siberian Ginseng)  (about 1-tbs) and blend with applesauce.



This combo can produce a distinct feeling of being grounded and neutral.



Concerning Cannibis, as below: Tincture 'shake' (leaf) using Everclear

(100%, 195 proof) alcohol. Keep it qway for all light! Used in this way,

Cannibis does not cause rapid changes in blood-sugar, and is the premier

remedy for "PMS". Always dilute doses with water when taking it.



==Gene Poole==







In article <50651.timothyt@bright.net>, "Timothy Timbrook"

<timothyt@bright.net> wrote:



#On 2 Jun 1998 05:46:26 GMT, 

#Stacey  <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

#

#>..

#>> Marijuana essentially promotes a sense of well-being and encourages

#>> sleep (valerian, eat your heart out!) but can increase the pyschotic

#>> tendencies of those succeptable. It also has a huge affect on appetite.

#>> If you use it, your appetite will increase greatly.

#>

#>I used to have great trouble sleeping, so I tried marijuana, I'd have a

#>couple of puffs on a rolled joint before retiring, and if you think I had

#>trouble getting to sleep before the marijuana you should have seen me while

#>taking this stuff, my mind became so active that there was no way i could

#>have slept!!!! My pulse rate goes way up, along with feelings of panic and

#>fear, and also did some really deep thinking, in all, a very strange

#>experience!..needless to say I never tried it again..haha..Did i have too

#>much?..I dont know, it was only 2 - 3 puffs!

#>

#>But not all people react this way, I know a few people who smoke marijuana

#>regularly as a recreational drug, including my boyfriend, and believe me

#>his libido is NOT reduced..hehe

#>

#>My advice would be to try it and see how YOU feel taking it, I think it's

#>good for some and bad for others.  You could try a weaker form (ie - the

#>leaves) first.

#...

#

#Another tricky thing about marijuana is: not all marijuana is the 

#same. Depending how it's cultivated, etc, you can have very different 

#marijuana. I've read there are many variants if THC, depending on 

#various conditions when it's grown. Actually there's alot of info 

#floating around on different kinds of "pot" and it's effects. Erm... 

#I hasitate calling it various isomers of THC because it has been many 

#years since I've read much on "pot culture". From (distant) past 

#experiences I know it's true that not all pot is the same. Potency is 

#a separate issue as well. Some can be mildly hallucinagenic<sp?> while 

#others seem to be very sedating or relaxing.

#

#So to summarize: I doubt any hard conclusions can be made without 

#serious scientific studies being made on the various forms of THC

#and their effect on various forms of illnesses.

#

#Tim

#

#p.s. You want something mildly sedating/relaxing, I'd suggest hops.

#(some ppl even smoke it.;)



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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From: Krow <mobvus@mobvus.demon.co.uk>

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Subject: Re: Bi-Polar disorder...herbal help?

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>Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote in article <35742854.2B59@warwick.net>...

>> Timothy Timbrook wrote:

>> > 

>> > On 2 Jun 1998 05:46:26 GMT,

>> > Stacey  <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> > 

[snip and appologies for any mis-attributions]



>> > Another tricky thing about marijuana is: not all marijuana is the

>> > same. Depending how it's cultivated, etc, you can have very different

>> > marijuana. I've read there are many variants if THC, depending on

>> > various conditions when it's grown. Actually there's alot of info

>> > floating around on different kinds of "pot" and it's effects. Erm...

>> > I hasitate calling it various isomers of THC because it has been many

>> > years since I've read much on "pot culture". From (distant) past

>> > experiences I know it's true that not all pot is the same. Potency is

>> > a separate issue as well. Some can be mildly hallucinagenic<sp?> while

>> > others seem to be very sedating or relaxing.

I should have really included this in my original post. Shame on me for

that omission.

There are many varieties of cannabis, from the genetically altered

commercial hemp with little or no THC to the purely recreational types

with high THC.

Most varieties will give different effects and even then, those effects

will vary from person to person. Just to further add to the confusion,

current state of mind and environment will also influence the result.

Whilst the seeds of these varities are readily available (in the UK),

the cultivation is a criminal offence.

Buying the finished product from the "usual" sources (ie the dodgy

looking guy in the local dive pub) is very much a lottery.

Buying the resin form even more so. I have known ground vinyl (from old

records) to be added, as well as other non-specific substances.

While growing your own is the best method for purity and consistency, be

warned that the prescence of several mature plants can make you liable

for prosecution as "intent to supply" and carries a very heavy penalty.

>> > 

>> > So to summarize: I doubt any hard conclusions can be made without

>> > serious scientific studies being made on the various forms of THC

>> > and their effect on various forms of illnesses.

In this present climate of criminalisation of cannabis, *no* serious

studies *will* be carried out.

With any phytocological product, the main active constituent is

influenced by other substances, hence the difference between "Northern

Lights" and "Super Skunk", for example. The THC levels in the latter are

so much higher than the former yet the effects are incomparable.

Several smokes of Northern Lights do *not* have the same effect as one

of Super Skunk, despite the THC being (by that time) equal.

The "Cannabis growers handbook" is (or was last year) available on the

web. Lots of good info with regards to types, cultivation and effects.

No URL ATM, I'll look for it if anyone is interested.

>> > 

>> > Tim

>> > 

>> > p.s. You want something mildly sedating/relaxing, I'd suggest hops.

>> > (some ppl even smoke it.;)

Hops can have opposite effects in some. Generally sedative, it can be

stimulating with some people.

>> 

>Is it possible to incriminate yourself here?.....Just wondering

Not sure about this one! (Is that a knock at my door <G>?) "Oh, no, man!

it's the pigs! Stash the hash!" (Neil, from the Young Ones)

I only know the basics of UK law. It's not (by itself) an offence to be

"stoned" but it is to possess. I think this is changing.

Clarification gratefully accepted.

>

>Oh..and keep on "reading"....hehe

I'll "read" as often as I need to to maintain my stability.

It works for me. Nuff said.

If you can get to the Netherlands (specifically Rotterdam or Amsterdam)

you can do your own research, free from criminal prosecution.

>

>

Krow

-- 

Krow (krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

Everybody hurts.  Don't throw your hand.  Oh, no.  Don't throw your hand.

If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

(REM)



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From: Jedi__Master@a.galaxy.far.far.away.com (Jedi)

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Subject: Re: Bi-Polar disorder...herbal help?

Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:58:54 -0500

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I have a question about THC.  Do they know why the plant produces this chemical?

Does it deter insect predators?  or does it help the plant survive in a

hot climate?



cwiley







In article <QN9HsGARYed1Ewny@mobvus.demon.co.uk>, Krow

<krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk> wrote:



> >Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote in article <35742854.2B59@warwick.net>...

> >> Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> >> > 

> >> > On 2 Jun 1998 05:46:26 GMT,

> >> > Stacey  <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> > 

> [snip and appologies for any mis-attributions]

> 

> >> > Another tricky thing about marijuana is: not all marijuana is the

> >> > same. Depending how it's cultivated, etc, you can have very different

> >> > marijuana. I've read there are many variants if THC, depending on

> >> > various conditions when it's grown. Actually there's alot of info

> >> > floating around on different kinds of "pot" and it's effects. Erm...

> >> > I hasitate calling it various isomers of THC because it has been many

> >> > years since I've read much on "pot culture". From (distant) past

> >> > experiences I know it's true that not all pot is the same. Potency is

> >> > a separate issue as well. Some can be mildly hallucinagenic<sp?> while

> >> > others seem to be very sedating or relaxing.

> I should have really included this in my original post. Shame on me for

> that omission.

> There are many varieties of cannabis, from the genetically altered

> commercial hemp with little or no THC to the purely recreational types

> with high THC.

> Most varieties will give different effects and even then, those effects

> will vary from person to person. Just to further add to the confusion,

> current state of mind and environment will also influence the result.

> Whilst the seeds of these varities are readily available (in the UK),

> the cultivation is a criminal offence.

> Buying the finished product from the "usual" sources (ie the dodgy

> looking guy in the local dive pub) is very much a lottery.

> Buying the resin form even more so. I have known ground vinyl (from old

> records) to be added, as well as other non-specific substances.

> While growing your own is the best method for purity and consistency, be

> warned that the prescence of several mature plants can make you liable

> for prosecution as "intent to supply" and carries a very heavy penalty.

> >> > 

> >> > So to summarize: I doubt any hard conclusions can be made without

> >> > serious scientific studies being made on the various forms of THC

> >> > and their effect on various forms of illnesses.

> In this present climate of criminalisation of cannabis, *no* serious

> studies *will* be carried out.

> With any phytocological product, the main active constituent is

> influenced by other substances, hence the difference between "Northern

> Lights" and "Super Skunk", for example. The THC levels in the latter are

> so much higher than the former yet the effects are incomparable.

> Several smokes of Northern Lights do *not* have the same effect as one

> of Super Skunk, despite the THC being (by that time) equal.

> The "Cannabis growers handbook" is (or was last year) available on the

> web. Lots of good info with regards to types, cultivation and effects.

> No URL ATM, I'll look for it if anyone is interested.

> >> > 

> >> > Tim

> >> > 

> >> > p.s. You want something mildly sedating/relaxing, I'd suggest hops.

> >> > (some ppl even smoke it.;)

> Hops can have opposite effects in some. Generally sedative, it can be

> stimulating with some people.

> >> 

> >Is it possible to incriminate yourself here?.....Just wondering

> Not sure about this one! (Is that a knock at my door <G>?) "Oh, no, man!

> it's the pigs! Stash the hash!" (Neil, from the Young Ones)

> I only know the basics of UK law. It's not (by itself) an offence to be

> "stoned" but it is to possess. I think this is changing.

> Clarification gratefully accepted.

> >

> >Oh..and keep on "reading"....hehe

> I'll "read" as often as I need to to maintain my stability.

> It works for me. Nuff said.

> If you can get to the Netherlands (specifically Rotterdam or Amsterdam)

> you can do your own research, free from criminal prosecution.

> >

> >

> Krow



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From: Krow <mobvus@mobvus.demon.co.uk>

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Subject: Re: Bi-Polar disorder...herbal help?

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In article <Jedi__Master-0606982058540001@dialup8.jcn1.com>, Jedi

<Jedi__Master@a.galaxy.far.far.away.com> writes

>I have a question about THC.  Do they know why the plant produces this chemical?

>Does it deter insect predators?  or does it help the plant survive in a

>hot climate?

>

>cwiley

>

What a good question!

I have no idea!

Hemp in general has little need of pesticides as a crop, so I would

surmise that the THC functions in this capacity.

It may be that hemp gets attacked by insects but after the first bite,

they can't remeber why or can't be bothered to carry on! <G>



Krow

-- 

Krow (krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

Everybody hurts.  Don't throw your hand.  Oh, no.  Don't throw your hand.

If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

(REM)



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A.Stephen Fraser wrote:

> 

> Greetings!

> 

> My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

> "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> this disease CAN be).

> Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> depression.

> Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

> day.

> Kinda desperate,

> Please reply quickly.

> 

> Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.

> 

> CYA!

> 

> Krista Fraser,

> Email: frasers@surenet.net



Once your ears quit ringing from all that noise, go to this site on

medical marijuana.  The author is associate professor of psychiatry at

the Harvard Medical School.  Make sure you read the testimonials from

manic depressives who have been successfully treated with this herb. 

This site also has some good links.



http://www.rxmarihuana.com/



Good luck!



Pedro



P.S. There is also a prescription drug called Marinol in case smoking

pot is a problem.



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From: jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp (Bruce Boyd)

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Subject: Re: Bi-Polar disorder...herbal help?

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> On Fri, 29 May 1998, A.Stephen Fraser wrote:

> 

> > Greetings!

> > 

> > My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

> > "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> > this disease CAN be).

> > Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> > additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> > lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> > Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> > be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> > He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> > decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> > been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> > Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> > depression.

> > Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

> > day.

> > Kinda desperate,





I wouldn't give up on the St. John's Wort.  It takes time to work (maybe 6 

weeks or so) and you have to take fairly large doses, dispite what the 

label says.  All the articles and research papers I've read indicate about 

900 mg/day in divided doses.  My wife and I have both had good results 

with SJW, which we supplemented with 5-HTP.  I believe you can get 

trytophan from a compounding pharmacy with a doctor's prescrition (US or 

Canada).  That may be just as good or better.



There are a lot of interesting books out on natural cures for depression.  

You might want to browse around, get well informed and then get yourself a 

good doctor who understands/believes in  natural remedies for depression.  

Above all, don't believe the guy who says herbal treatments are just as 

dangerous as the popular depression drugs.  He has been taking way too 

much Prozak.  One quick Med-line search will show you the truth on that 

issue.  



Good Luck to you both,

Bruce



-- 

Sendai, Japan

to reply, replace "canspam" with "mango"



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Bruce Boyd (jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp) wrote:

: 

: I wouldn't give up on the St. John's Wort.  It takes time to work (maybe 6 



	I would give up on the SJW.  Bipolar disorder is not the same as 

depression.  

								_Alex



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>Bruce Boyd (jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp) wrote:

>:

>: I wouldn't give up on the St. John's Wort.  It takes time to work (maybe 6



>       I would give up on the SJW.  Bipolar disorder is not the same as

>depression.

>                                                               _Alex



It isn't.  But during a depressive phase, if mood stabilizers like lithium

or anticonvulsants aren't up to the antidepressant task, antidepressants are

what -- very gingerly -- get prescribed, despite the risk of inducing mania.

SJW has been used by millions of people with no reports of mania induction that

I've heard of (it does make some people hyper, though) -- a rare gift in an

antidepressant.  So it would seem to be a good choice for a bipolar person

during a depressive phase.  In addition to sticking with it for at least 4-8

weeks, another consideration is dosage:  Late last year, the first controlled

trial of SJW for patients with severe major depression (unipolar) was published,

and while SJW was very effective (it equalled a substantial dose of imipramine,

an old war horse of a tricyclic antidepressant that's at least as effective for

severe depression as anything that's come after it), it was prescribed at twice

the usual dosage, i.e. 1800 mg/d.



Tryptophan is another natural antidepressant with a relatively low risk of

inducing mania -- in fact, it's listed in Canada's equivalent to the PDR (the

CPS) as a _treatment_ for mania. It's more of a mood stabilizer than a pure

antidepressant (see http://www.escape.ca/~sgb/trypt&5-HTP.html).



There are quite a few natural approaches that show promise as treatments for

bipolar disorder -- very high doses of magnesium for mania, for instance.  I

touch on most of these in my book Dealing with Depression Naturally where I

also note the bipolar-friendliness (or lack thereof) of most antidepressants.



Syd



                                     ****



                                  Syd Baumel

                      _________________________________



                      Dealing With Depression Naturally



                                      **



 Serotonin: How to Naturally Harness the Power Behind Prozac and Phen/Fen



                      _________________________________



                          http://www.escape.ca/~sgb





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>Tryptophan is another natural antidepressant with a relatively low risk of

>inducing mania -- in fact, it's listed in Canada's equivalent to the PDR (the

>CPS) as a _treatment_ for mania. It's more of a mood stabilizer than a pure

>antidepressant (see http://www.escape.ca/~sgb/trypt&5-HTP.html).



Oops -- that URL should have been http://www.escape.ca/~sgb/5-HTP.html



Syd



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                                  Syd Baumel

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                                      **



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                      _________________________________



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From: frasers@black.surenet.net (Stephen Fraser)

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On 05 Jun 98 19:06:56 -0600, "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca> wrote:



>It isn't.  But during a depressive phase, if mood stabilizers like lithium

>or anticonvulsants aren't up to the antidepressant task, antidepressants are

>what -- very gingerly -- get prescribed, despite the risk of inducing mania.

>SJW has been used by millions of people with no reports of mania induction that

>I've heard of (it does make some people hyper, though) -- a rare gift in an

>antidepressant.  So it would seem to be a good choice for a bipolar person

>during a depressive phase.  In addition to sticking with it for at least 4-8

>weeks, another consideration is dosage:  Late last year, the first controlled

>trial of SJW for patients with severe major depression (unipolar) was published,

>and while SJW was very effective (it equalled a substantial dose of imipramine,

>an old war horse of a tricyclic antidepressant that's at least as effective for

>severe depression as anything that's come after it), it was prescribed at twice

>the usual dosage, i.e. 1800 mg/d.



The problem is that my cycle (from depression to hypo-mania) is

completely and untterly unpredictable.  As an example, June 3,  I

started the day manic, and fell to depressed state by 5 pm. June 4 I

started the day depressed, but went really manic at midnight.  Since

then, I have been in a depressive phase.



I agree with Syd.  SJW can be a huge help IF the depression-mania

cycle is longer than 2 months and is pretty predictable.





Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net





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>On 05 Jun 98 19:06:56 -0600, "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca> wrote:



>>It isn't.  But during a depressive phase, if mood stabilizers like lithium

>>or anticonvulsants aren't up to the antidepressant task, antidepressants are

>>what -- very gingerly -- get prescribed, despite the risk of inducing mania.

>>SJW has been used by millions of people with no reports of mania induction

>>that I've heard of (it does make some people hyper, though) -- a rare gift

>>in an antidepressant.  So it would seem to be a good choice for a bipolar

>>person during a depressive phase.  In addition to sticking with it for at

>>least 4-8 weeks, another consideration is dosage:  Late last year, the first

>>controlled trial of SJW for patients with severe major depression (unipolar)

>>was published, and while SJW was very effective (it equalled a substantial

>>dose of imipramine, an old war horse of a tricyclic antidepressant that's at

>>least as effective for severe depression as anything that's come after it),

>>it was prescribed at twice the usual dosage, i.e. 1800 mg/d.



>The problem is that my cycle (from depression to hypo-mania) is

>completely and untterly unpredictable.  As an example, June 3,  I

>started the day manic, and fell to depressed state by 5 pm. June 4 I

>started the day depressed, but went really manic at midnight.  Since

>then, I have been in a depressive phase.



I think this is what used to be referred to as cyclothymia, i.e. frequent, brief

(usually), up and down moodswings of more-or-less clinical severity.  It

certainly would make it very tricky as far as selectively treating the dual

symptomatic tips of the iceberg are concerned.  Have you tried more w/holistic

approaches like acupuncture/traditional Chinese medicine and homeopathy, which

are geared more to treating the whole gestalt of symptoms by restoring

fundamental balance/homeostasis, rather than going after one symptomatic extreme

or another?  I believe you mentioned dietary changes that you're making -- that

too is a wholistic route that could pay off (might also look into specific

food/chemicald intolerances).



>I agree with Syd.  SJW can be a huge help IF the depression-mania

>cycle is longer than 2 months and is pretty predictable.



I have to revise my earlier suggestion about SJW for the depressive phase of

bipolar disorder.  After I posted it, I got an email from someone whose young

son became manic soon after starting SJW, the mania ending soon after it was

withdrawn.  This boy, who also has ADHD, has become manic on just about every

other antidepressant he's tried, so he may be atypical.  OTOH, another person

emailed me to say that she's heard of a few other manic reactions in adult

bipolars, though it's not clear to what extent, if any, all or some of these may

have been lesser hypomanic reactions or simply "hyper" reactions.



Because there's quite a bit of suspicion afoot that the disparity between the

relatively high North American adverse reaction rate to SJW and the reportedly

extremely low rate in Europe is due to significant brand differences, a

precaution that North Americans - - bipolar or otherise -- might take when they

try SJW would be to start with the major European brand, LI 160, also known as

Jarsin 300 or (here in Canada, at least) Kira.  The only disadvantage is that it

costs about twice as much as most other brands.  If it works and is well

tolerated, they could venture a trial of a cheaper North American brand.



>Many well days,



>Stephen Fraser

>Email: frasers@surenet.net



Syd





                                  Syd Baumel

                      _________________________________



                      Dealing With Depression Naturally



 Serotonin: How to Naturally Harness the Power Behind Prozac and Phen/Fen

                      _________________________________



                          http://www.escape.ca/~sgb



           NOTE: Please bear with me while I root the last few bugs

           out of my "under construction," "beta testing" website.





From pixie_70@rocketmail.com Wed Jun 10 06:58:18 1998

From: "Pixie_70" <pixie_70@rocketmail.com>

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I am new to this group an seem to have missed the info I was searching for!!

Can anyone reccommend an alternative treatment for bipolar disorder?

Currently I am taking Depakote, Wellbutrin, and Klonopin.  Thanks!!



Pixie







Timothy Timbrook wrote in message <44242.timothyt@bright.net>...

>On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:58:54 -0500,

>Jedi  <Jedi__Master@a.galaxy.far.far.away.com > wrote:

>

>>I have a question about THC.  Do they know why the plant produces this

chemical?

>>Does it deter insect predators?  or does it help the plant survive in a

>>hot climate?

>

>Good question, but I doubt anyone can say for real. It would be

>all guesswork/conjecture why plants produce all sorts of chemical

>combinations. Not being religious, but I'm sure someone will say

>this... Taking the religious angle, God made plants that way for

>man's use(/abuse?).

>







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Ah, yet another problem with common names.  The garden flower known by the

name "Love In The Mist" is usually another species in the same genus,

medicinal qualities unknown.



-Rich



Valerian wrote in message <356DF33D.C1354497@home.com>...

>Nigella sativa is commonly known as:

>

>Love In The Mist









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My friend and I have an Indian book on herbs, but it does not give a

complete guide to the preperation or identification of wild herbs and

eatibles.So if you could help us in obtaining some information regarding

Authors books ect. Please do so at the above address or at

Solo32@webtv.net  thank you for replying in advance. If you would like

to post the information instead that would be totally cool. Other people

as well might be as interested as We are.  



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Timothy Mason wrote:

> 

> My friend and I have an Indian book on herbs, but it does not give 

> a complete guide to the preperation or identification of wild herbs 

> and eatibles.So if you could help us in obtaining some information 

> regarding Authors books ect. Please do so at the above address or 

> at Solo32@webtv.net  thank you for replying in advance. If you would 

> like to post the information instead that would be totally cool. 

> Other people as well might be as interested as We are.



_Indian Herbalology of North America,_ by Alma Hutchins.  Sorry, it's

another month before I get the books unpacked, can't give you the ISBN

right now...



-Kyra



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You can find this book (and others) on:



http://www.amazon.com



-Val



===-*

NO SPAM

===-*





> _Indian Herbalology of North America,_ by Alma Hutchins.  Sorry, it's

> another month before I get the books unpacked, can't give you the ISBN

> right now...

> 

> -Kyra



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An Indian healing book can be found at



http://www.bconnex.net/~natuheal













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In article <35735EB0.1CD0@flash.net>, Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net> writes:



>_Indian Herbalology of North America,_ by Alma Hutchins.  Sorry, it's

>another month before I get the books unpacked, can't give you the ISBN

>right now...



Also try the field guides by Michael Moore, which discuss the native use of

many herbs and wild plants.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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hi!  i produced that piece you saw on Kava.  It was on Dateline.  And yes... a

man down in Savannah GA apparently had a bad reaction from Kava after mixing it

with his Xanaz.  The good news is, that was the only bad side effect i could

find after a search of the medical literature.



the doc's i spoke with ALL recommend talking to your doctor when adding any

herb or so-called natural remedies to your therapy.



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I had some severe problems with horrible cramping in my toes. I don't know what

vitamines had the affect, but as soon as I began to eat more bananas the cramps

subsided.



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Probably the potassium content in the bananas.



Gale 



On 2 Jun 1998, Coffee6796 wrote:



> I had some severe problems with horrible cramping in my toes. I don't know what

> vitamines had the affect, but as soon as I began to eat more bananas the cramps

> subsided.

> 

> 



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Is there a book that you can take out and identify plants in their natural surroundings.



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>Is there a book that you can take out and identify plants in their natural

>surroundings.



For identification purposes I really love my Reader's Digests "Magic and

Medicine of Plants".  Teriffic full color photos of the plants as well as

drawings.  Lots of good information as well.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Peterson's guide to Wildflowers is VERY good. There are guides for different

areas of the country. They are divided by color of the flower then by type of

flower so that does limit you to identifying the things that are flowering but

that has kept me plenty busy!





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Anyone have any success using herbs or alternative meds to help decrease

anxiety?



I'm on St. John's Wort(research grade) and have had mediocre results,

but then again when I was on Luvox (like Prozac) I really didn't

experience any great relief either.



I also tried Kava Kava and have had absolutely no results the two or

three times I tried it.  My doc doesn't want me taking tranquilizers or

benziodiazapenes (e.g., valium, Xanax) becuase of their addictive

properties so I've avoided these.



The best thing that has helped for me is relaxation techniques (deep

breathing, muscle relaxing), disputing "cognitive distortions," and

using anxiety management techniques on a daily level.  It would be nice

to add an herb or alternative med on top of this to give me some more

help.  Thanks



Geoff





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Geoffrey Hutchinson <icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:



>I also tried Kava Kava and have had absolutely no results the two or

>three times I tried it.

  With few exceptions, you don't pop an herb for short-term

relief.  Most of them require several days of use for the results

to show up.



>The best thing that has helped for me is relaxation techniques (deep

>breathing, muscle relaxing), disputing "cognitive distortions," and

>using anxiety management techniques on a daily level.  It would be nice

>to add an herb or alternative med on top of this to give me some more

>help.

  Some "calming" herbs that work relatively quickly are linden

flower (strong), valerian (strong), chamomile (mild to moderate),

passion flower (mild to moderate).  Linden can constipate,

valerian can build up and become really depressing, so don't use

them as a daily crutch.



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Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) wrote:

:Geoffrey Hutchinson <icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:

:

:>I also tried Kava Kava and have had absolutely no results the two or

:>three times I tried it.

:  With few exceptions, you don't pop an herb for short-term

:relief.  Most of them require several days of use for the results

:to show up.

:

:>The best thing that has helped for me is relaxation techniques (deep

:>breathing, muscle relaxing), disputing "cognitive distortions," and

:>using anxiety management techniques on a daily level.  It would be nice

:>to add an herb or alternative med on top of this to give me some more

:>help.

:  Some "calming" herbs that work relatively quickly are linden

:flower (strong), valerian (strong), chamomile (mild to moderate),

:passion flower (mild to moderate).  Linden can constipate,

:valerian can build up and become really depressing, so don't use

:them as a daily crutch.



I don't know if this helps anxiety, but for stress (which can lead to

anxiety), there's American Ginseng (panax quiquefolium).



There's also Scullcap, which tones things down a bit for those stressful times

when you want to yell out, or when you suffer fools badly. Nex





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On 2 Jun 1998 05:13:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



>  Some "calming" herbs that work relatively quickly are linden

>flower (strong), valerian (strong), chamomile (mild to moderate),

>passion flower (mild to moderate).  Linden can constipate,

>valerian can build up and become really depressing, so don't use

>them as a daily crutch.



Are all kinds of valerian the same?



Greek valerian grows wild in Ohio - it's also called Jacob's Ladder.



What kind of dosage is appropriate?







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> Are all kinds of valerian the same?



No. You want Valeriana officinalis -only-.



> Greek valerian grows wild in Ohio - it's also called Jacob's Ladder.



This is an ornamental variety, not medicinal.



> What kind of dosage is appropriate?



Depends on the individual. Start with a small dose, following a good

herb book's recommendation[s].



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In article <35737C8B.CE291ACE@home.com>, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:

>> Are all kinds of valerian the same?

>

>No. 



True. 



>You want Valeriana officinalis -only-.



Not true. There is also the Ayurvedic herb, jatamamsi (Nardostachys

or Valeriana Jatamamsi), also called Indian spikenard that shares the

sedative properties of common valerian but is not as dulling to the

mind. If one has a choice between the two, the jatamamsi is the

superior herb to take. Unfortunately, jatamamsi is not readily

available in the USA.



-- 

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Interesting! Can you recommend an herb book to which this is listed in?

Thanks.



-Val



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> Not true. There is also the Ayurvedic herb, jatamamsi (Nardostachys

> or Valeriana Jatamamsi), also called Indian spikenard that shares the

> sedative properties of common valerian but is not as dulling to the

> mind. If one has a choice between the two, the jatamamsi is the

> superior herb to take. Unfortunately, jatamamsi is not readily

> available in the USA.

> 

> --

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> 

>         "Hey! You got your razor in my wager!"



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In article <357494A1.F84FF30F@home.com>, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:

>Interesting! Can you recommend an herb book to which this is listed in?



The Yoga of Herbs by Dr. David Frawley and Dr. Vasant Lad, Lotus

Press, Santa Fe NM, ISBN 0-941524-24-8



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/Author=Lad%2C%20Dr.Vasant/002-9965275-1535246



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On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 04:12:58 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>> Are all kinds of valerian the same?

>No. You want Valeriana officinalis -only-.



NOT true. Valeriana officinalis isn't even the strongest of the valerians...

just about any Valeriana will do. Even the root of Valeriana edulis works, even

if it isn't very strong. And you can use the herb of most of them - just try

them, one species at a time.



>> Greek valerian grows wild in Ohio - it's also called Jacob's Ladder.



I'm not familiar with that one - it's better to use latin names when talking

herbs. However, it'll probably work if it is a Valeriana.



Henriette



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deke.spamblock@generous.net wrote in message

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>Are all kinds of valerian the same?





NO!  Valeriana officinalis is the true Valarian.  There are a number of

other plants that go by this common name, but they were not named Valerian

because of any medicinal similarity.



-Rich









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On 2 Jun 1998 05:13:00 -0700, 

Tsu Dho Nimh  <abacaxi@hotmail.com > wrote:



...

>  Some "calming" herbs that work relatively quickly are linden

>flower (strong), valerian (strong), chamomile (mild to moderate),

>passion flower (mild to moderate).  Linden can constipate,

>valerian can build up and become really depressing, so don't use

>them as a daily crutch.



Hmmm. Really? 

I've been taking Valerian and Chamomile three times a day for more

than 5 years. I find the combo to mildly effective against chronic 

anxiety. Never heard of valerian "building up" before. *shrug* 

I suppose it depends on the person's constitution. I've never had

trouble with valerian building up on me. I do know some people are

more sensitive to it than it. (Tried Passion Flower before, but

never noticed an effect. btw. Like SJW, passion flower has a mild 

MAOI effect.)



Tim





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On 1 Jun 1998 23:17:03 -0700, Geoffrey Hutchinson

<icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:



>Anyone have any success using herbs or alternative meds to help decrease

>anxiety?

>



Don't know of any herbs offhand but you might look into Tai Chi. Look

around for someone who teaches Tai Chi out of love and not as a way to

make money. If you have to pay more than $35 a month for lessons then

you've got the wrong person. Ask around natural-food stored, yoga

centers, and free universities. 



It's good exercise, a great way to unwind all that anxiety, and you'll

meet some beautiful people. too.





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I agree with you about everything but the price for the Tai-Chi lessons.

Really good lessons are expensive. I can watch a video for free and get

about as much from that as I would from a 35$ tai-chi class. My classes

are more expensive, but I am also studying from the grand master William

C C Chen. However, tai-chi is also a martial art and I wanted that

aspect as well. Not everyone wants/needs to know how to properly absorb

a direct hit into a kidney and feel no ill effects.



jellyfish wrote:

> 

> On 1 Jun 1998 23:17:03 -0700, Geoffrey Hutchinson

> <icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:

> 

> >Anyone have any success using herbs or alternative meds to help decrease

> >anxiety?

> >

> 

> Don't know of any herbs offhand but you might look into Tai Chi. Look

> around for someone who teaches Tai Chi out of love and not as a way to

> make money. If you have to pay more than $35 a month for lessons then

> you've got the wrong person. Ask around natural-food stored, yoga

> centers, and free universities.

> 

> It's good exercise, a great way to unwind all that anxiety, and you'll

> meet some beautiful people. too.



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Dollar General (Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com) wrote:

: I agree with you about everything but the price for the Tai-Chi lessons.

: Really good lessons are expensive. I can watch a video for free and get

: about as much from that as I would from a 35$ tai-chi class.

	

	I'm with you there.  Although I think it's unfortunate that it's 

usually so expensive, the people who have studied long enough to be good 

teachers have invested so much that they charge accordingly.  There are 

definitely exceptions to the rule, but you'll be lucky to find one.



 My classes

: are more expensive, but I am also studying from the grand master William

: C C Chen. However, tai-chi is also a martial art and I wanted that

: aspect as well. Not everyone wants/needs to know how to properly absorb

: a direct hit into a kidney and feel no ill effects.



	I would go further and say that studying with a teacher who also 

knows the martial applications is a good way of being sure to get 'real' 

tai-chi.  But I study with a student of Master Chen's, so I may be biased 

in this regard.  

							_Alex



: : jellyfish wrote:

: > 

: > On 1 Jun 1998 23:17:03 -0700, Geoffrey Hutchinson

: > <icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:

: > 

: > >Anyone have any success using herbs or alternative meds to help decrease

: > >anxiety?

: > >

: > 

: > Don't know of any herbs offhand but you might look into Tai Chi. Look

: > around for someone who teaches Tai Chi out of love and not as a way to

: > make money. If you have to pay more than $35 a month for lessons then

: > you've got the wrong person. Ask around natural-food stored, yoga

: > centers, and free universities.

: > 

: > It's good exercise, a great way to unwind all that anxiety, and you'll

: > meet some beautiful people. too.



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Geoffrey Hutchinson wrote in message <35739728.9E497627@imap2.asu.edu>...

>Anyone have any success using herbs or alternative meds to help decrease

>anxiety?





Peppermint and LemonBasil







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Not Lemon Basil....Lemon Balm for Anxiety

sorry :)







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Kava Kava.  Scullcap.  Oats.







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I have had allergic bronchitis following the flu several times in past

years.  After about 6 weeks I go to the doctor who prescribes prednisone

tablets for a week.  I am cured.  But I really hate taking prednisone and

the other inhalers have no effect--I still hack and cough usually worse than

before.

Is there an herbal preparation that mimics prednisone--sort of putting a

break on my immune response?  I stay off Echinacea and other herbs during

this time wondering if this might be a problem.

But I still cough and have stuffy ears and nose.

Thanks for any suggestions.        Sue Lantz







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On 29 May 1998 21:33:36 EDT, Randall Viola <riola@usa.net> wrote:



>Why is the bile salt's "eating up your lining" did you have a stent

>placed and are you "protecting" the mucosal epithelium with Beer? 

>Could Carafate susp. be an adjunctive TX.? 

>

>Curious,

>Thanks RV

actually, bile reflux is a recognized precursor to certain types of

gastritis and ulcers, and does not require a pyloric stent.



My usual treatment recommendations included Carafate and

Cholestyramine (bile salt binding resins) as well as a pro motility

agent such as Reglan or Propulsid.



Esopho gastro duodenoscopy is needed to make the diagnosis. See your

doctor.



ck



-- 

Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP

Member, PGBFH

KC5EVN 

Email address dump file for spam

reply to ckrin at Iamerica dot net

F*S=k (Freedom times Security equals a constant: the more

security you have, the less freedom!)(Stolen from

Alt.Fan.Heinlein)



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From: michael brown <mbrown@kih.net>

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Subject: Re: lower back pain relief

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I am NOT PRESCRIBING TREATMENT, BUT JUST RELATING MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

WITH THIS PROBLEM!!!!  



I have suffered for years with lower back pain.  I just thought I had

muscle problems there, but finally, I went to the Dr. and after X-raying

my lower back and hips, I have spurs growing along my spine and

arthritis in my hips.  My discs are separating (degenerating) also.



He prescribed medication for pain, it made me feel good, but I couldn't

function the way I wanted to.  I did a whole lot of reading and from

what I found, exercise is one of the BEST pain killers. AND IT IS.....



Now, I don't mean that I got out and went hard at it from the beginning.

One has to work up to this VERY slowly.... it will hurt at first, but it

WILL get better.



Getting the muscles warm, and the joints loose work wonders!  At least

for me.  The Doc was beginning to talk about operations, NO WAY! NOT

UNTIL I HAVE TO!



I began martial arts training. I talked to the instructor and explained

the problem in depth, and what I hoped to gain from it.  We began VERY

slowly.  After 3 years of training, I am 40 years old, and now I can

keep up with and in many cases out do 20 year olds! 



My back does still hurt, but NOWHERE NEAR AS BADLY AS BEFORE! My hips

are still hurting, but not so badly I have to take pills, just a little

ache, and after working out? They don't hurt at all!



I have lost 55 lbs, 4 inches off my waist, and look 10 years younger! My

wife likes that too ;o)



PLEASE REMEMBER, I DIDN'T DO THIS IN A FEW DAYS! I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS

FOR THREE YEARS!  My black belt examination will be, hopefully in

December....



Oh, yeah, I also began using Shark cartilage, gelatin, and fish oil.





-- 

regards,



michael brown

mbrown@kih.net



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michael brown wrote:



>

>

> Oh, yeah, I also began using Shark cartilage, gelatin, and fish oil.

>

> --

> regards,

>

> michael brown

> mbrown@kih.net



I have had good luck with DLPA.  I have an extra vertebrae in my back

that

has caused lower back pain many a time...



  This from Dr. Braly's Food and Nutrition Revolution:



DL-Phenylalanine Breakthrough:



The amino acid DL-Phenylalanine, a fifty-fifty mixture of the two forms

is a

major pain management breakthrough.  It is a powerful painkiller.

Preliminary clincal reports show good to excellent relief of chronic

pain

syndrome in 70-80 percent of the subjects studied, with only 5-10

percent

showing no relief.  For example, 84 percent of the subjects with

rheumatoid

arthritis, 81 percent of those with osteoarthritis, 67 percent of those

with

migrains and 73 percent with low back pain reported good to excellent

results.



There have been no reported significant side effects or toxic reactions

to

theapeutic doses of DLP.  This is an extremely exciting and unexpected

discovery for a substance of such potent pain-reducing ability. 

Although

two subjects experienced mild jitteriness from DLP, this symptom

disappeared

when the dosage was taken with meals.  DLP seems even less toxic than

many

vitamins, which themselves have a range of safety.  Nevertheless,

DL-Phenylalanine should not be taken by those who are pregnant, diabetic

or

have high blood pressure without a physician's recommendation and

supervision.  Also infants or children with a condition called

phenylketonuria should avoid it completely.



DL-Phenylalanine is non-addictive and it is not tolerance developing. 

In

fact,the longer it is taken, the more effective it becomes in reducing

pain.  No other analgesic can make this claim.



The pain-relief powers of DL-Phenylalanine sometimes overshadow a couple

of

its other capabilities, which should be mentioned.  It is essential in

producing another amino acid, tyrosine, a direct precursor to another of

the

brain's mood-elevating neurotransmitters, norepinephrine.  This hormone

seems to counter depression, increase mental alertness and memory and

encourage the ability to make judgements.  This hints at its usefulness

in

the treatment of learning disorders and psychological problems.  Finally

L-Phenylalanine is also converted to another transmitter, phenethylamine

(PEA).  PEA is chemically very similar to a known appetite suppressant

and

antidepressant, amphetamine, but without amphetamine's potential for

serious

toxicity.



The effective pain relief dosage for most people seems to be two 375 mg

capsules three times a day (2,250 mg daily), preferably 20-30 minutes

before

each meal.  Since test subjects taking 12,000mg a day suffered no

noticeable

side-effects, this is an extremely safe intake level for most people.



The above daily dose takes between two and fourteen days to begin

working

and about one to three weeks before significant pain relief occurs. 

Because

it is slow acting, it is not effective in acute, short term kinds of

pain.



Some people find that they can cut back on the amount taken after the

first

pain-relief is experienced.  A number have even reported enjoying a

pain-free month by taking DLP just one week out of the four.



Since the FDA reluctantly must classify DLP as a nutrient and amino acid

and

not as a drug, it is presently available without prescription and at a

reasonable cost.



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On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 WL Sakowski In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302

$i10$j38c04229@gratisnet.com>, WL Sakowski <wl-

ski@gratisnet.com> writes

>

>I can see how one might think this, but my chiropractor

>takes x-rays before he does anything (same as an M.D.

>would  do  :)  if he feels he doesn't have a clear idea of

>what is going on.   He doesn't just "lay into you",

>mindlessly twisting your spine!  No one knows better

>than *he/she* does, just how delicate the spine (and all

>it's parts)  is!  I am thankful for my chiropractor.  I've



I've had good use out of a chiropractor. My problem is that I'm 6'3"

and have quite a long back, so it is more liable to get twisted than

with somebody shorter. He put me on this machine that

'massages' the lower back, found a section of spine that looked

out of kilter and snapped it back into place! The effects of this take

a while to make themselves manifest, I noticed a difference within

2 months.



The best thing I've found to avoid back pain is to lose weight,

especially if you have a tendency to put it on the belly area - the

extra weight was pulling my spine out of kilter. I had to lose about

50 lbs.







To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



From alanh@wilma.widomaker.com Fri Jun 05 06:54:51 1998

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I was doing yoga to alleviate my upper back pain, then I discovered that

it was even better to do martial arts training. A little while after that,

I discovered that if I used my martial-arts skills to mug chiropracters,

I really felt empowered, diversified, natural, and self-actualized.



I did it for the sake of the Children.

--

Alan Horowitz  alanh@widomaker.com



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Well, for starters, chiropractors do not *twist* your spine. There are

a couple of different methods though. I'm not sure what the technical

terms are. But someone with back trouble is much better off with one

that actually *manipulates* the spine through gentle pressure rather

than one of the Rice Crispy (snap, crackle, pop) dudes. I speak from

experience here.

Also, for self-help purposes, there are two video tapes that everyone

with a back problem should have on their video shelf.

#1) "No More Back Pain"-from leading non-surgical back expert Dr.

Robert L. Swezey, M.D.-founder of the Swezey Institute and author of

"Good News for Bad Backs". This video is excellent for recovery from a

back injury or on-going back pain. It is good for everything from disc

problems to ordinary backaches.

I borrowed my copy from the local library, so I'm not sure about the

availability of the tape. I couldn't find a copyright date on it.

If you have trouble locating this video tape, the address listed in

the enclosed pamphlet is:

Cequal Products, Inc.

c/o The Swezey Institute

1328 16th Street

Santa Monica, CA 90404

(310) 394-2998



#2) "Sports Illustrated's Super Shape-up Program: Stretch and

Strengthen", with Elle Macpherson. This is a gentle, yoga-based

stretch and strengthen routine. It is very good for building strength,

once you have your back pain under control. Although Elle is the

"star" of the video, Rachel Hunter is actually the instructor. She is

very conscious of providing alterations to many of the exercises for

people with back trouble.

I bought this as a set of 3 tapes; Stretch and Strengthen, Aerobic

Interval Training, and Body Sculpting. But I have seen them all for

rental purposes in video shops. They have also been on offer in my

Columbia House video catalog, where you can buy them separately. 

So this one shouldn't be too hard to locate.



These two tapes have done more for me than all the

anti-inflammatories(which I have no gastric tolerance for) and

narcotic pain-killers they have thrown at me over the years.

I have nothing to do with the people who sell either of these tapes.

I'm just someone who has found a lot of relief with them.

Hope you find some of this helpful.



GCM



On 31 May 1998 08:17:33 EDT, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>Oh, God, NO!

>Please, do not let anyone, professional or otherwise, start twisting

>your spine. The spine is very delicate and needs to be treated as such.

>There are other things I would try before surgery and I would try

>EVERYthing before a chiropractor. Try things like stretching and

>relaxation. Two that have worked very well for me are tai-chi and yoga.

>

>Logerman wrote:

>> 

>> Before you let them cut, try a chiropractor.   Worked for me.



**Remove SPAMBLOCKER from address to reply via e-mail**



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According to Dr. Joel Wallach ("Dead Doctors Don't Lie"), lower back

pain is an obvious sign of a calcium deficiency. A high quality calcium

suppliment (plant or animal derived) may help alleviate the pain, though

not immediately. Other symptoms of calcium deficency are receding gums,

periodontal disease, bone or heel spurs, muscle spasms/cramps, achy

joints, and arthritis.



Shark or other animal cartilage may also help joint pain. According to

Dr. Wallach, in a study done at Harvard Medical School, 29 people with

bone to bone joint arthritis were scheduled for joint replacement

surgery. For 90 days prior to the surgery, they were given a heaping

teaspoon of chicken cartilage in a glass of juice every morning.

In 10 days, they were virtually pain free. In 30 days, they were able to

open a new jar of pickles without pain in their hands, fingers, arms or

shoulders. In 90 days, 28 out of 29 were clinically cured.



Hope this helps.



Bryan



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I crushed a piece of spinal cartilage two years ago, enough to deform it

but luckily not enough to puncture the doughnut. I was off work for two

months as it was lower spine and hence screwed the nerves for the

legs/kidneys. The pain was excruciating, but pain killers tend to work

for about 3-4 days after which their effect on the body starts to

reduce. 



The lass who ran the X-Ray dept. at the local hospital suggested 1/2

teaspoonful of ground nutmeg for nerve type pain. It works for about 6

hours at a time. Wash the nutmeg down with milk or milk based products

(fat colloid), don't leave it too long on your tongue (or you'll get a

numb tongue!) and don't go over 1 teaspoonful. 





 o In article <357B73E4.3080@mindspring.com>, Forrest

<bcforrest@mindspring.com> writes

>According to Dr. Joel Wallach ("Dead Doctors Don't Lie"), lower back

>pain is an obvious sign of a calcium deficiency. A high quality calcium

>suppliment (plant or animal derived) may help alleviate the pain, though

>not immediately. Other symptoms of calcium deficency are receding gums,

>periodontal disease, bone or heel spurs, muscle spasms/cramps, achy

>joints, and arthritis.

>

>Shark or other animal cartilage may also help joint pain. According to

>Dr. Wallach, in a study done at Harvard Medical School, 29 people with

>bone to bone joint arthritis were scheduled for joint replacement

>surgery. For 90 days prior to the surgery, they were given a heaping

>teaspoon of chicken cartilage in a glass of juice every morning.

>In 10 days, they were virtually pain free. In 30 days, they were able to

>open a new jar of pickles without pain in their hands, fingers, arms or

>shoulders. In 90 days, 28 out of 29 were clinically cured.

>

>Hope this helps.

>

>Bryan



Mart 



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****CAUTION****

large amounts of nutmeg and/or mace are toxic. DO NOT use more than 3

grams per day, and DO NOT use the essential oil internally except under

professional supervision.



I also find nothing that gives me reason to believe that it is good for

"nerve pain". I find it to be a muscle spasm reliever which can cause a

nerve type pain like sciatica.



Martin Akehurst wrote:

> 

> I crushed a piece of spinal cartilage two years ago, enough to deform it

> but luckily not enough to puncture the doughnut. I was off work for two

> months as it was lower spine and hence screwed the nerves for the

> legs/kidneys. The pain was excruciating, but pain killers tend to work

> for about 3-4 days after which their effect on the body starts to

> reduce.

> 

> The lass who ran the X-Ray dept. at the local hospital suggested 1/2

> teaspoonful of ground nutmeg for nerve type pain. It works for about 6

> hours at a time. Wash the nutmeg down with milk or milk based products

> (fat colloid), don't leave it too long on your tongue (or you'll get a

> numb tongue!) and don't go over 1 teaspoonful.

> 

>  o In article <357B73E4.3080@mindspring.com>, Forrest

> <bcforrest@mindspring.com> writes

> >According to Dr. Joel Wallach ("Dead Doctors Don't Lie"), lower back

> >pain is an obvious sign of a calcium deficiency. A high quality calcium

> >suppliment (plant or animal derived) may help alleviate the pain, though

> >not immediately. Other symptoms of calcium deficency are receding gums,

> >periodontal disease, bone or heel spurs, muscle spasms/cramps, achy

> >joints, and arthritis.

> >

> >Shark or other animal cartilage may also help joint pain. According to

> >Dr. Wallach, in a study done at Harvard Medical School, 29 people with

> >bone to bone joint arthritis were scheduled for joint replacement

> >surgery. For 90 days prior to the surgery, they were given a heaping

> >teaspoon of chicken cartilage in a glass of juice every morning.

> >In 10 days, they were virtually pain free. In 30 days, they were able to

> >open a new jar of pickles without pain in their hands, fingers, arms or

> >shoulders. In 90 days, 28 out of 29 were clinically cured.

> >

> >Hope this helps.

> >

> >Bryan

> 

> Mart



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On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:17:25 -0500, Forrest <bcforrest@mindspring.com>

wrote:



>According to Dr. Joel Wallach ("Dead Doctors Don't Lie"), lower back

>pain is an obvious sign of a calcium deficiency. A high quality calcium

>suppliment (plant or animal derived) may help alleviate the pain, though

>not immediately. Other symptoms of calcium deficency are receding gums,

>periodontal disease, bone or heel spurs, muscle spasms/cramps, achy

>joints, and arthritis.

****Makes sense---

> For 90 days prior to the surgery, they were given a heaping

>teaspoon of chicken cartilage in a glass of juice every morning.

***Where do you get this chicken cartilage? Do you use the actual

cartilage from the carcass of a chicken and grind it up, or do you buy

a  prepared  formula from a health food store?

>Hope this helps.

>Bryan

***Thanks for this info--- please get  back to me, will you?

Reply desperately needed, believe me.

Thanks--

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What about trying a good pair of shoes(orthopedic) birkenstocks possibly?







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Minstrel in the Gallery wrote:

> 

> What about trying a good pair of shoes(orthopedic) birkenstocks possibly?





Maybe possible that you need orthodics in your shoes.  Problems with

flat feet (fallen arches) can wreak havoc on lower back.



Fidget



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Also, recently (within the last year) there was an article in Herb Companion

highlighting Stevia and other sweet herbs - they may have info on

buying/growing the plant.





Rebecca



So many books, so little time



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Schmitt100 wrote:

> 

> Also, recently (within the last year) there was an article in Herb Companion

> highlighting Stevia and other sweet herbs - they may have info on

> buying/growing the plant.

> 

> Rebecca

> 

> So many books, so little time





Rebecca,



I remember that article and i save all my mags...so i will find it and 

see what it says about buying/growing.  Will post any info here if i can 

find it.



karen



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Does anyone know where I can get Stevia seeds?



Sue







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http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm



look for the link to Horizon Herbs. They sell stevia seeds. I ordered a

few packets from 'em, and they sprouted within a few days, now they're

everywhere!



-Val



===-*

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Sue wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know where I can get Stevia seeds?

> 

> Sue



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Have any idea how long those seeds will keep (if I didn't want to plant

them right away)?  Gonna need some sweet stuff when the SH_T HITS THE

FAN IN Y2K!!



Fidget





Valerian wrote:

> 

> http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm

> 

> look for the link to Horizon Herbs. They sell stevia seeds. I ordered a

> few packets from 'em, and they sprouted within a few days, now they're

> everywhere!

> 

> -Val

> 

> ===-*

> NO SPAM!

> 

> Sue wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone know where I can get Stevia seeds?

> >

> > Sue



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Cute. I'll opt for a hazy coffee house in Amsterdam for 2000. ;) I've

never been one to save seeds, being as I trade them away or tap em in

the ground asap. So.. my best suggestion would be to keep 'em in a glass

jar (I keep dozens of used baby food jars around for this purpose) in a

dark, dry place.



-Val



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Fidget wrote:

> 

> Have any idea how long those seeds will keep (if I didn't want to plant

> them right away)?  Gonna need some sweet stuff when the SH_T HITS THE

> FAN IN Y2K!!

> 

> Fidget

> 

> Valerian wrote:

> >

> > http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm

> >

> > look for the link to Horizon Herbs. They sell stevia seeds. I ordered a

> > few packets from 'em, and they sprouted within a few days, now they're

> > everywhere!

> >

> > -Val

> >

> > ===-*

> > NO SPAM!

> >

> > Sue wrote:

> > >

> > > Does anyone know where I can get Stevia seeds?

> > >

> > > Sue



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I take a variety of things, and am wondering if it is better to take them at

different times rather than all at once.  I take St. John's Wort, Echinacea,

and also Kava Kava (not all the time, only as needed).  Are these OK

together?



Thanks,



Robin





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On Sat, 30 May 1998 13:12:44 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net>

wrote:



>I'd be interested in hearing about this sweetener as well.  Of course, I'd

>also be interested to hear if someone has actually tested it for diabetic

>reactions and if there are any non-natural components that I need to worry

>about.  It would be nice to have something that looked like sugar, tasted

>like sugar, but didn't cause the problems that sugar does.

>

Splenda is more expensive than other non-sugar sweeteners (and far

more expensive than sugar), but it's advantage is that you can cook

with it.  But at 1 tsp Splenda = 1 tsp sugar, I doubt I'd be baking

cookies with it! <g>  



Occasionally, I mix it with raspberry or other juice if too sour and

soda water - it's a refreshing drink if you don't mind waiting for the

foaming to stop.



No discernible after-taste - another advantage over other substitutes.



K







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On Sat, 30 May 1998 13:12:44 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net>

wrote:



>I'd be interested in hearing about this sweetener as well.  Of course, I'd

>also be interested to hear if someone has actually tested it for diabetic

>reactions and if there are any non-natural components that I need to worry

>about.  It would be nice to have something that looked like sugar, tasted

>like sugar, but didn't cause the problems that sugar does.



The Splenda box lists maltodextrin(e) :sucralose as its only

ingredient - 2 cal/tsp - 110 g, $3.98 Cdn or about $2.79 US

(Superstore price - higher at Safeway).



Hope that helps.



K





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I'll say it again. If you want natural sweeteners, use sugar cane. 100%

naturan and biodegradable.



WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>  k> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 22:43:52 GMT

>  k> Subject: Re: Natural Sweetners???

>  k> From: kfloritto@kermode.net

> 

>  k> On Sat, 30 May 1998 13:12:44 -0500, "John Mueller"

> 

> >>I'd be interested in hearing about this sweetener as well.

> >>...actually tested it for diabetic reactions and if there are

> >>any non-natural components that I need to worry about.

> >>...

> 

>  k> The Splenda box lists maltodextrin(e) :sucralose as its

>  k> only ingredient - ...

> 

> So, we only need to find out what "sucralose" is?

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski



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On 10 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>I'll say it again. If you want natural sweeteners, use sugar cane. 100%

>naturan and biodegradable.

>

>WL Sakowski wrote:

>> 



If you want natural AND healthy then try Stevia 



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comedy@no.spam.clear.net.nz  (Nomh de Pluhme) wrote:



>On 10 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT, Dollar General

><Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>If you want natural AND healthy then try Stevia 

  Please explain why the crystallized, washed juice of a tropical

grass is not healthy while ground up (occesionally extracted

components) of a tropical shrub is healthy.





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What do you consider unhealthy about sugar cane?



Nomh de Pluhme wrote:

> 

> On 10 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT, Dollar General

> <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:

> 

> >I'll say it again. If you want natural sweeteners, use sugar cane. 100%

> >naturan and biodegradable.

> >

> >WL Sakowski wrote:

> >>

> 

> If you want natural AND healthy then try Stevia



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In article <3585970C.604FC335@Never.Never.Com>, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> writes:



>

>What do you consider unhealthy about sugar cane?

>

>



Perhaps this person meant unhealthy in how the body reacts to it.  As a

hypoglycemic, pure sugar cane hits my system too fast and always gives me the

shakes, even when I consume a small portion.



I have for several years now used fructose.  It also comes in granular form, is

double sweet, so I use half as much as if I were using sugar, and is

assimilated more slowly and gradually.



From joe@primary Sat Jun 27 09:23:16 1998

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They take processed white sugar and add syrup or molasses to it to make brown

sugar.



In message <1998062620152100.QAA03598@ladder01.news.aol.com> -

coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) writes:

:>

:>White sugar is processed and bleached. Sugar cane in it's natural form is

:>actually quite healthy, it has vitamins. It's the processing the cane goes

:>through to become white sugar that makes it unhealthy. I've heard brown sugar

:>is also processed somewhat.







Joe Bader

joe@primary.net



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From vandy@avana.net Tue Jun 30 21:32:26 1998

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On 27 Jun 1998 00:23:16 -0600, joe @ primary . net (Joe Bader) wrote:



>They take processed white sugar and add syrup or molasses to it to make brown

>sugar.



Brown sugar and cane molasses are early products in sugar production.

White sugar is the highly refined end product.



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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On 26 Jun 1998 20:15:21 GMT, coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:



> I've heard brown sugar

>is also processed somewhat.



I have read that some brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses

added back to it. 

Paul



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Depends - if it's beet sugar, yes indeed. Brown cane sugar is unrefined.



Dana



PTM skrev:



> On 26 Jun 1998 20:15:21 GMT, coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:

>

> > I've heard brown sugar

> >is also processed somewhat.

>

> I have read that some brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses

> added back to it.

> Paul







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Depends - if it's beet sugar, yes indeed. Brown cane sugar is unrefined.



Dana



PTM skrev:



> On 26 Jun 1998 20:15:21 GMT, coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:

>

> > I've heard brown sugar

> >is also processed somewhat.

>

> I have read that some brown sugar is just white sugar with molasses

> added back to it.

> Paul







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What about Honey?

-Vrondi





On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:09:28 GMT, comedy@no.spam.clear.net.nz  (Nomh

de Pluhme) wrote:



>On 10 Jun 1998 17:56:28 EDT, Dollar General

><Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:

>

>>I'll say it again. If you want natural sweeteners, use sugar cane. 100%

>>naturan and biodegradable.

>>

>>WL Sakowski wrote:

>>>

>

>If you want natural AND healthy then try Stevia





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Honey is a natural sweetener. It's a mixture of sugars formed  from =

nectar by the enzyme invertase, present in the bodies of bees. Honey =

contains all the natural enzymes and vitamins necessary for the proper =

metabolism and digestion of glucose and other sugar molecules. Honey is =

almost twice as sweet as sugar and should be avoided by those with =

candidiasis and diabetes, and used with care by people who have =

hypoglycemia. Honey is naturally about 38% fructose, 31% glucose, 18% =

water, 9% other sugars and 2% sucrose.





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Vrondi wrote in message <3585b630.21489261@wvnvm.wvnet.edu>...

>What about Honey?

>-Vrondi







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Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

TIA

J



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ok. as with any plant, before you take it internally, make CERTAIN it is

what you think it is.



Nettle has several actions: diurettic, tonic, astringent, prevents

hemorrhaging, antiallergenic, increases breast milk production (leaf),

reduces prostate enlargement (root). A decocotion of root for prostate,

ointment of leaves for eczema, soup with leaves carrots, and onions is

rich in iron. capsules of root for heavy menstruation, 3 100 mg caps per

day. Infusion of leaves for tonic, 200 ml daily. tincture of root helps

allergies and skin conditions. For hay fever, take 1 tsp diluted with

100 ml water twice daily.



If you are taking any prescription medication, please consult your

physician before adding this or any other herb.



jane hubbard wrote:

> 

> Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

> of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

> TIA

> J



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Hello Peter et al,



Seeing your response made me think, I know that along with stinging

nettles, there are two plants that come to my mind that look like

nettles, Red Dead Nettle & White Dead Nettle.  I seem to remember that

they were called "Dead Nettle" as they did not sting. 

 

Is this correct?  Or is it they are named "Dead Nettle" because they

could harm folks if used instead of stinging nettles?



I am just a curious seeker of information, as I want to ensure that I

am safe using any information I gain :-)



On 02 Jun 1998 20:29:59 EDT, Dollar General

<Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>ok. as with any plant, before you take it internally, make CERTAIN it is

>what you think it is.

>

>Nettle has several actions: diurettic, tonic, astringent, prevents

>hemorrhaging, antiallergenic, increases breast milk production (leaf),

>reduces prostate enlargement (root). A decocotion of root for prostate,

>ointment of leaves for eczema, soup with leaves carrots, and onions is

>rich in iron. capsules of root for heavy menstruation, 3 100 mg caps per

>day. Infusion of leaves for tonic, 200 ml daily. tincture of root helps

>allergies and skin conditions. For hay fever, take 1 tsp diluted with

>100 ml water twice daily.

>

>If you are taking any prescription medication, please consult your

>physician before adding this or any other herb.

>

>jane hubbard wrote:

>> 

>> Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

>> of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

>> TIA

>> J





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Ian Hunter wrote:



> Hello Peter et al,

>

> Seeing your response made me think, I know that along with stinging

> nettles, there are two plants that come to my mind that look like

> nettles, Red Dead Nettle & White Dead Nettle.  I seem to remember that

> they were called "Dead Nettle" as they did not sting.

>

> Is this correct?  Or is it they are named "Dead Nettle" because they

> could harm folks if used instead of stinging nettles?



I was taught that they are called 'dead' because they have no medicinal value.

They are in the mint family, Lamium spp.  but they don't taste like a mint worth

brewing  ;>



Stinging Nettles are in the Nettle family, Urotica dioica



As they don't look much alike, I find it another amusing confusion regarding

common names.



**Spelling double-checked in my newest book.  I think it is going to be a great

one!  It seems well organized.  It has color photos [of course, photos are never

*clear enough* but these seem pretty good] and discriptive text.



Northwest Weeds--The Ugly and Beautiful Villains of Fields, Gardens, and

Roadsides

by Ronald J. Taylor

ISBN 0-87842-249-8

$14Deb



>

>

> I am just a curious seeker of information, as I want to ensure that I

> am safe using any information I gain :-)

>

> On 02 Jun 1998 20:29:59 EDT, Dollar General

> <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:

>

> >ok. as with any plant, before you take it internally, make CERTAIN it is

> >what you think it is.

> >

> >Nettle has several actions: diurettic, tonic, astringent, prevents

> >hemorrhaging, antiallergenic, increases breast milk production (leaf),

> >reduces prostate enlargement (root). A decocotion of root for prostate,

> >ointment of leaves for eczema, soup with leaves carrots, and onions is

> >rich in iron. capsules of root for heavy menstruation, 3 100 mg caps per

> >day. Infusion of leaves for tonic, 200 ml daily. tincture of root helps

> >allergies and skin conditions. For hay fever, take 1 tsp diluted with

> >100 ml water twice daily.

> >

> >If you are taking any prescription medication, please consult your

> >physician before adding this or any other herb.

> >

> >jane hubbard wrote:

> >>

> >> Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

> >> of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

> >> TIA

> >> J







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From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Wed Jun 17 22:11:56 1998

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From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

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Subject: Re: stinging nettles

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>Ian Hunter wrote:

>> Seeing your response made me think, I know that along with stinging

>> nettles, there are two plants that come to my mind that look like

>> nettles, Red Dead Nettle & White Dead Nettle.  I seem to remember that

>> they were called "Dead Nettle" as they did not sting.

>> Is this correct?  Or is it they are named "Dead Nettle" because they

>> could harm folks if used instead of stinging nettles?

>

>I was taught that they are called 'dead' because they have no medicinal value.

>They are in the mint family, Lamium spp.  but they don't taste like a mint worth

>brewing  ;>



Both Lamium sp. (especially Lamium album) and Stachys (or Betonica) sp. (the

betonies) have medicinal value, albeit not the same as nettle (Urtica sp.). The

Lamiums (and sometimes the Stachyses) are called blind nettles because they do

not sting.



Having fun

Henriette



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Henriette Kress wrote:



> >Ian Hunter wrote:

> >> Seeing your response made me think, I know that along with stinging

> >> nettles, there are two plants that come to my mind that look like

> >> nettles, Red Dead Nettle & White Dead Nettle.  I seem to remember that

> >> they were called "Dead Nettle" as they did not sting.

> >> Is this correct?  Or is it they are named "Dead Nettle" because they

> >> could harm folks if used instead of stinging nettles?

> >

> >I was taught that they are called 'dead' because they have no medicinal value.

> >They are in the mint family, Lamium spp.  but they don't taste like a mint worth

> >brewing  ;>

>

> Both Lamium sp. (especially Lamium album) and Stachys (or Betonica) sp. (the

> betonies) have medicinal value, albeit not the same as nettle (Urtica sp.). The

> Lamiums (and sometimes the Stachyses) are called blind nettles because they do

> not sting.

>

> Having fun

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



 What is the medicinal value of the Lamiums?  I checked 4 or 5 books before I wrote

the above quote that said they had no value.



always tryin' to learn

Deb



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Stinging nettles is the herb I love.....I drink the leaf tea daily as it helps

w/ increasing my calcium.......... also great for allergies. I use dried leaf

and make capsules for my family and also tincture the leaf for same reason. 

Get out and get herbing!!! :):) But make sure it is stinging nettle....you will

know it's prescence by it's bite! Approach it slowly and thoughtfully and you

will not get stung. Good luck..................also young leaves excellent

steamed w/ butter.

    Marianne :)



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In article <01bd8e82$afa71fa0$1201bfce@radulovs.magma.ca>, "jane hubbard"

<hubbardj@to-de.com> wrote:



#Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

#of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

#TIA

#J



Fresh young nettle-leaves are an incredible steamed green, nothing can

compare.



Cooked in this way, nettles have a calming and mild aphrodesiac

effect.



I enjoy steaming nettles as I boil thinly sliced Burdock root in the

water below. Together, they are a powerful restorative food.



Learn to pick nettles bare-handed, by noting that the small glassine

spines (containing formic acid) bend when brushed upward.



The leaves have no spines on the top surfaces; they can be picked, rolled

and eaten raw. Any stings in the mouth quickly fade.



Nettle tea is a powerful remedy for 'allergy' symptoms, halting post-nasal 

drip and drying the mucosa.



If smoked, dried nettle leaves cause an amusing hyper-salivation effect!



The seeded tops of nettles are a delicious treat, raw or steamed.



Enjoy!



==Gene Poole==



-- 

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From jyoti@canspam.ifnet.or.jp Fri Jun 05 05:38:57 1998

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In article <01bd8e82$afa71fa0$1201bfce@radulovs.magma.ca>, "jane hubbard" 

<hubbardj@to-de.com> wrote:



> Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone know

> of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

> TIA

> J



When I lived in Ireland, where Nettles are plentiful, I ate them cooked in 

my food everyday.  I really enjoyed eating them, and felt that they had a 

good effect on my general health, though I don't know what the official 

uses are.  When I was in Nepal, I ate lunch everyday in a restarant that 

served nettle soup.  I had to get used to the taste, but again I felt 

quick results.



Pick them carefully (of course) and make yourself some soup or stew.  I 

used to make mine very strong, and after I ate it, I felt a mild 

niacin-like tingling.  I have no idea if this is "good for you" or not.  

If nothing else, you should be able to dry the leaves and make a nice cup 

of tea.  



I wish I had some nettles over here in Japan.  The climate is perfect.  

They'd probably take over like they do in Ireland.



Bon Appetite,

Bruce



-- 

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From bethanny@nashville.com Wed Jun 03 03:39:06 1998

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I had some doubts about the relevancy of this question to this particular

newsgroup, but... well, carob might qualify as an herb, and is at least a

plant. <G>  And I'm comfortable with the folks here, and know there are some

competent nutritionists among us.  So, here goes.



I've been hearing about carob for ages, about how it's a lower fat, lower

calorie, and all-around healthier alternative to chocolate.  Well, recently

I bought a bag of carob powder (intended to replace Dutch cocoa in baking)

and went on a recipe hunt.  I've found no indication that replacing cocoa

with carob decreases a.) the amount of the actual ingredient used, or b.)

the amount of fat and sugar to be used in the recipe.  So.  What can y'all

tell me about the properties of carob, from a nutritional and medicinal

standpoint?  Is there any real benefit to using it over chocolate?  Is there

any use for it other than as a chocolate sub?



Beth



<who has been following the stevia thread, and looking at the herbal

cappuccino at the local health-food store, and having thoughts about things

that we substitute for things that we really really like but know we

shouldn't eat>







From jiastar@aol.com Thu Jun 04 04:35:20 1998

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I believe Carob is a natural source of Calcium





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

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"Beth Harper" <bethanny@nashville.com> wrote:



>I've been hearing about carob for ages, about how it's a lower fat, lower

>calorie, and all-around healthier alternative to chocolate.

  It's a pale imitation of the real thing!  I'd rather eat less

of top quality chocolate than try to fill the craving with carob.



>I bought a bag of carob powder (intended to replace Dutch cocoa in baking)

>and went on a recipe hunt.  I've found no indication that replacing cocoa

>with carob decreases a.) the amount of the actual ingredient used, or b.)

>the amount of fat and sugar to be used

  It doesn't.  The fat and sugar actually provide the texture and

"crumb" of baked goods - there's a limit to how much you can cut

them without ending up with bricks.



>What can y'all

>tell me about the properties of carob, from a nutritional and medicinal

>standpoint?  Is there any real benefit to using it over chocolate?

  My MIL had cocolate-induced migraines.  Carob was her solution

to the problem.  We's stock up on carob santas and bunnies at the

appropriate holidays.



>  Is there any use for it other than as a chocolate sub?

  It's got a fair amount of carbohydrate, and a decent flavor,

less bitter than cocoa. You could actually survive on the pods

for quite a while, although I'd rather take my chances with

surviving on Godiva.



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does anyone know where I can obtain herb graphics (like clipArt)? 

Nothing fancy, but preferably recognizable :-)



thanks in advance.



-d



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d wrote in message <357518F7.13B7@earthlink.net>...

>does anyone know where I can obtain herb graphics (like clipArt)?

>Nothing fancy, but preferably recognizable :-)

>

>thanks in advance.

>

>-d



Small, but growing archive at http://www.nashville.com/~beth.harper .

(shameless plug!  Shameless plug! <G>)  Go to Gallery, and scroll down to

the bottom of the page to find the clipart.  Hope it helps!



Beth







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I don't know about clipart, but you can find plenty of GIFs (100's) from

this link page:



http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm



-Val



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d wrote:

> 

> does anyone know where I can obtain herb graphics (like clipArt)?

> Nothing fancy, but preferably recognizable :-)

> 

> thanks in advance.

> 

> -d



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A friend (just became pregnant) would like to know if there's any reason

not to take a mixture with the following:



>Stevia leaf standardized extract 5 mg. (85% steviosides)

>

>Leafy Greens: Amaranth and Watercress (I doubt Watercress would be a

>problem).

>

>Organic cereal grasses: Alfalfa grass, Tritacale greens.

>

>Echinacea purpurea     500 mg.

>

>Probiotic Support Medium  1000 mg: Fructo-oligosaccharides (FOS) from

>Dahlia, Chicory, Jerusalem artichoke, Vegetable mannin oligo-saccharides

>(MOS), Caprylic acid.

>

>Hawaiian spirulina pacifica  200 mg. 



Thanks for any help you can give.





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In article <35756791.38BF@tallships.istar.ca>, lionel bonnell & kirsten obrien

<linkir@tallships.istar.ca> writes:



>

>A friend (just became pregnant) would like to know if there's any reason

>not to take a mixture with the following:

>

>>Stevia leaf standardized extract 5 mg. (85% steviosides)

>>

>>Leafy Greens: Amaranth and Watercress (I doubt Watercress would be a

>>problem).



Actually, Watercress is normally contraindicated for pregnancy as it is

classified as an "emmenogogue" -- a plant which brings on menstruation.



The best thing that your friend could do is work with a midwife or other

qualified individual who has had training in herbal medicine as well as basic

obstetrics. If she can't find anyone like that, two good sources of information

are:



Wise Woman Herbal For the Childbearing Year by Susun Weed



Herb Contraindications & Drug Interactions by Francis Brinker ND



The Weed book has been around for several years, and is a standard reference

for many women. The second book was just published recently (I got my copy a

couple of days ago!) and is a good quick reference to possible dangers in

taking herbs. The Brinker book does have a special section on the use of herbal

medicines during pregnancy.



Hope this helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







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On Wed, 27 May 1998 16:37:53 -0500, "Cissy . Thorpe"

<cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:



>> On Wed, 27 May 1998, Don Copeland wrote:

>

>> But the salmonilla might.

>> 

>

>I don't believe salmonilla is inherent in eggs. It can develop in 

>improperly handeled and stored eggs...but it is not inherent in the egg. 

>

>Cissy



Hello Cissy et al,



Due to the intensive methods of egg production salmonella is inherent

in eggs. In the UK during the 80s whole flocks of chickens were killed

to try and reverse this.  However evidence from the UK Ministry of

Agriculture Food & Fisheries, MAFF, strongly indicates that the levels

of salmonella in eggs is back at the same levels as before the cull.



As long as eggs are cooked properly they should be safe, but for

really safe food there has to be an end to "Factory Farming"





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From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

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Hello David et al,



Cumin Black {Nigella Sativa} is also used in Aromatherapy as an

Essential Oil.  It is a very good booster for the immune system.

However the oil can irritate the skin of some folks.  



The Essential oil is also a very useful bactericide and fungicide.  As

the oil has anti viral properties, combined with its aiding the immune

system, Black Cumin appears to help with conditions like HIV AIDS, &

ME.  



Further the Oil can help with circulation problems.  It is not the

first oil I would use, and there may be other properties that the herb

has, but I am a trained Aromatherapist and not a herbalist.





On Fri, 29 May 1998 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT), David Spero

<mrrogers@igc.apc.org> wrote:



>Dear Herbalists,

>

>A friend of mine in prison sent me a brochure about an herb called Black Seed.   

>Apparently, it's a form of black cumin, from Egypt.  The brochure came from a 

>company associated with the Nation of Islam, and claims it will boost the

>immune system and fight all kinds of diseases.  Apparently, the prophet

>Mohammed swore by it.

>

>The biological name is Nigella sativa.  Does anyone have any information on

>this herb?  Does it do much?  

>

>Please reply to me by email if possible.  I appreciate any help you can give me.

>

>Thanks in advance,

>David  <mrrogers@igc.org>





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What is the best natural way to remove hair with out pain. That is I am

looking for an alternative to shaving, waxing or tweezing and cannot afford

electrolasis.



Spacecabbage







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Actually I am glad to know that the oil is not part of the whale.   I was

shocked to know where Ambergris came from.  I get my "Ambergris" oil from "The

Abyss" catalog.  It's about $4.95 for a 2 dram bottle.  



I mix it with Civit and musk.  Is the perfume Civit (civet)  from an animal as

well? 

     Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com

                                               



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Actually, Sunmachin, Civet is like a skunk or ferret.



Sunmachin wrote in message

<1998060316263500.MAA11111@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Actually I am glad to know that the oil is not part of the whale.   I was

>shocked to know where Ambergris came from.  I get my "Ambergris" oil from

"The

>Abyss" catalog.  It's about $4.95 for a 2 dram bottle.

>

>I mix it with Civit and musk.  Is the perfume Civit (civet)  from an animal

as

>well?

>     Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com

>







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Civet musk glands are near the tail of the animal, which is killed to

retrieve the glands.  The scent glands are used in life like a skunk to

mark territory and to warn off predators but is not as strong as a

skunk.



-Betty Cunningham



Athene Fuex wrote:

> 

> Actually, Sunmachin, Civet is like a skunk or ferret.

> 

> Sunmachin wrote in message

> <1998060316263500.MAA11111@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> >Actually I am glad to know that the oil is not part of the whale.   I was

> >shocked to know where Ambergris came from.  I get my "Ambergris" oil from

> "The

> >Abyss" catalog.  It's about $4.95 for a 2 dram bottle.

> >

> >I mix it with Civit and musk.  Is the perfume Civit (civet)  from an animal

> as

> >well?

> >     Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com

> >



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In article <35758E1E.74EFEFAE@flyinggoat.com>,

  Betty Cunningham <bettyc@flyinggoat.com> wrote:

>

> Civet musk glands are near the tail of the animal, which is killed to

> retrieve the glands.  The scent glands are used in life like a skunk to

> mark territory and to warn off predators but is not as strong as a

> skunk.

>

> -Betty Cunningham



But it sure does *stink*!! I experimented with civet (artificial) once upon a

time, but was never able to get a minute enough amount to enhance the

fragrance rather than overpower and ruin it...



Lois



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sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin) wrote:



>I mix it with Civit and musk.  Is the perfume Civit (civet)  from an animal as

>well? 

  At $4.95 a bottle, you aren't getting real civit or musk

either.  Both are animal products that have been approximated

chemically, but that are SO expensive that you have to get into

the $$$$ range to get the real thing.





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I've been taking Gingko for about a week now... and was wondering if anyone

had some good anecdotal evidence for its effectiveness.  So far, I haven't

noticed much.. but its only been a week.  I don't expect anything to show up

for about another 2 months!  Just would like a little encouragement!



I have a TERRIBLE memory problem...  I'd forget my own head if it wasn't

pasted on.  Heheheh.  I also have over-weightedness and am on a diet for

this (no hydrogenated oils, dairy, eggs, or meat except fish).  Im taking

St. john's Wort for depression; KavaKava for anxiety; Black Cohosh, Dong

Quai and a multi-vitamin for PMS symptoms; and have cut out caffeine and

alcohol.  I'm not exercising cuz I haven't got to that part yet.  <grin>



Does this sound okay?



A













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"Athene Fuex" <afuex@texas.net> wrote:



>I've been taking Gingko for about a week now... and was wondering if anyone

>had some good anecdotal evidence for its effectiveness.  So far, I haven't

>noticed much.. but its only been a week.  I don't expect anything to show up

>for about another 2 months!  Just would like a little encouragement!



>I have a TERRIBLE memory problem...  I'd forget my own head if it wasn't

>pasted on.  Heheheh. 



Athene, I share your memory problem.  My wife says I have Alzheimers,

but I don't recall what it is.



You might try washing the herbs down with a couple of shots of

tequila.



Ed













From annawolf@msn.com Thu Jun 04 09:13:05 1998

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Chasteberry  has in tests been proven to help alleviate PMS symptoms.

A search of the web might give more info.

Anna Wolf



Athene Fuex wrote in message ...

> Dong

>Quai and a multi-vitamin for PMS symptoms; and have cut out caffeine and

>alcohol.  I'm not exercising cuz I haven't got to that part yet.  <grin>

>

>Does this sound okay?

>

>A

>

>

>

>

>







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I'm relatively new to this stuff, but I have been taking some of the

supplements I market for about a month now.  Our Ginko Biloba product is the

latest one I have added to my regime, about three weeks ago.



The main thing I have noticed is a reduction in the number of headaches

(tension or migraine) I've had to endure.  I'm not sure if  this is from the

Ginko, the MSM, the anti-oxidants, the multi-vitamin, or a combination of the

products.



Hang in there!  Keep working your program - give it 60 to 90 days to see any

definitive results.  Quality takes time!  :o)



Above all, have a great day!



N.

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I have heard so much about Gingko Biloba and its positive effects on memory

and blood circulation etc. However I am in a dilemma as to which particular

brand to choose from since there are many in the market. I would appreciate

if someone can recommend one that has been acclaimed to be the most

effective.



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I took Ginkgo for a while, on two different occasions  when I thought that my

memory wasn't quite as good as it used to be.  Both times I thought it

helped, but both times it gave me a headache after a day or two, so I stopped

pretty soon.  Next time I'm going to try Gotu Kola, which is the Indian

(Ayurvedic) answer rather than the Chinese answer.



As regards PMS, check out another natural treatment (this one developed in

London) in our non-commercial report at www.sonic.net/~forest/photstim.html.



A votre sante.



David Noton, PhD

The Forest Institute



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Since I've been occasionally taking Oregamax & also sometimes putting a

tiny drop of oregano oil by my nasal openings my chronic sinus problems

have subsided for the most part. I only take the Oregamax when I have to

because I'm sensitve to most supplements.  I still use nasal spray but

not like I did before when my sinusitis was so bad that the nasal spray

wouldn't even work & I had a very hard time sleeping becase I couldn't

breathe through my nose. Maybe it will work for you.



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From: "Cindy Adams" <dreamhouse2@juno.com>

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I'm using my sister's computer but I do have an e mail address.



I'm looking for a good book on harvesting herbs and also salves and folk

remedies.



Thank you for any help you may be willing to bless me with.

Cindy Adams

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In article <6l45ct$ghd$1@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, "Cindy Adams"

<dreamhouse2@juno.com> writes:



>I'm looking for a good book on harvesting herbs and also salves and folk

>remedies.



Ecoherbalist's Fieldbook by Gregory Tilford

Ecologically sound ways to wildcraft (pick herbs in the wild). Concentrates on

the herbs found in the Mountain West region.



Herbal Emissaries by Steven Foster & Yue Chongxi

Growing and harvesting herbs used in traditional Chinese medicine. Nice

photographs of many common herbs -- even a nice photograph of Mr. Foster.



Home Herbal by Penelope Ody

Deals with common European or North American herbs, but has terrific color

photographs on every page. The A-to-Z section shows the herbs and the parts

used. A little less expensive than her MEDICINAL HERBS book, and more geared

towards making remedies at home.



Herbal Medicine Cabinet: Preparing Natural Remedies at Home by Debra St. Claire

I don't see this one mentioned as much as the others, but personally I love the

"recipe" format that St. Claire uses throughout the book for salves, tinctures,

etc. Good information on preparation of various remedies, not so much on

harvesting.



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore,Seattle, WA

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I'm looking for information about herbs that give men more sexual staying

power.  One herb that I've experimented with with some success is

Epimedium.  It is a chinese herb commonly known as horny goat weed!  It

has a long and venerable reputation for increasing male potency.  



I find it is best taken as a strong tea or "decoction" made by simmering

it.



Has anyone else used this herb or others with success.  If you wish to

purchase it, it may be done so cheaply at any Chinese herb shop in any

large city.  Make sure you bring in a leaf or a the name written in

Chinese.  It is also sold as an ornamental ground cover at nurseries in

the springtime.  So you can "grow your own stash."



Please feel free to write me individualy about your experiences or just

include my address in the carbon copy line of your letter.



thanks,



Josh









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From: Dollar General <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com>

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What is the Genus species? I could not find it in any of my books as

Epimedium or horny goat weed.



Joshua E Lachman wrote:

> 

> I'm looking for information about herbs that give men more sexual staying

> power.  One herb that I've experimented with with some success is

> Epimedium.  It is a chinese herb commonly known as horny goat weed!  It

> has a long and venerable reputation for increasing male potency.

> 

> I find it is best taken as a strong tea or "decoction" made by simmering

> it.

> 

> Has anyone else used this herb or others with success.  If you wish to

> purchase it, it may be done so cheaply at any Chinese herb shop in any

> large city.  Make sure you bring in a leaf or a the name written in

> Chinese.  It is also sold as an ornamental ground cover at nurseries in

> the springtime.  So you can "grow your own stash."

> 

> Please feel free to write me individualy about your experiences or just

> include my address in the carbon copy line of your letter.

> 

> thanks,

> 

> Josh



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Dollar General wrote in message <3575F70C.B4EF1A80@Never.Never.Com>...

>What is the Genus species? I could not find it in any of my books as

>Epimedium or horny goat weed.

>

>Joshua E Lachman wrote:

>>





Epimedium sagittatum (aka E. macranthum or Aceranthus sagittatum), Horny

Goat Weed or Yin Yang Huo (in pinyin) is an herb native to China and Japan,

and used in traditional Chinese medicine.  According to legend, the herb was

discovered by a goatherd who noticed that male goats eating the leaves

became excessively sexually excited.  In TCM terms, the herb tonifies kidney

yang, nourishes blood and semen-essence, and is good for cold damp and wind

damp conditions.  It is used in a variety of conditions associated with

sexual insufficiency (like impotence) and also for rheumatic problems and

cerebral insufficiency.  The uses make it sound like it works in part by

dilating capillaries, though I know of no Western research to support this.

OTOH, Chinese research indicates use of an extract of the leaves (which are

reported to contain a glycoside and an alkaloid) increases frequency of

copulation in laboratory animals.



According to traditional Chinese medical theory, it (and other strong

kidney-yang tonics) should NOT be used in "flaring fire" syndrome (where

there is already too much sexual activity and uncontrolled desire).  In

other words, it is a stimulant to the libido but provides no nourishment to

support the increased sexual activity, and can lead to a dangerous state of

exhaustion of the vital energies.  That is, in TCM yang tonics must be

balanced by sufficient yin to support them.  You can think of it in terms of

muscles.  Muscles can be large but, through inactivity, become flabby or

"out of tone", and they are then not as strong.  Exercise can bring these

muscles back into a strong, tonified state.  But if you have a muscle that

is under-nourished and then exercise it without providing for its natural

growth over time through proper nutrition (yin) balanced with toning

exercise (yang), you will often cause collapse: cramping, tearing or actual

physical degeneration of the tissues.  The same sort of thing happens when

yang tonics are taken without provision for the balancing of energies.



-Rich









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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:02:57 -0400, "Richard Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Dollar General wrote in message <3575F70C.B4EF1A80@Never.Never.Com>...

>>What is the Genus species? I could not find it in any of my books as

>>Epimedium or horny goat weed.

>>

>>Joshua E Lachman wrote:

>>>

>

>



Interesting goat story :-]

Is the effect only on the males of the species or both male and

female?

Eileen





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So far as I know, only on the male.



-Rich



Eileen Smith wrote in message <358f64e7.16164210@enews.newsguy.com>...

>On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:02:57 -0400, "Richard Ogden"

><pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

>

>>Dollar General wrote in message <3575F70C.B4EF1A80@Never.Never.Com>...

>>>What is the Genus species? I could not find it in any of my books as

>>>Epimedium or horny goat weed.

>>>

>>>Joshua E Lachman wrote:

>>>>

>>

>>

>

>Interesting goat story :-]

>Is the effect only on the males of the species or both male and

>female?

>Eileen

>

>

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From sycamore@webtv.net Thu Jun 04 03:22:56 1998

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I don't think my pepermint smells like peppermint.  It mells lke a weed

to me.  I bought it at a herb center.  Could it be a 'wrong' variety?

But surely I thought it smelled like peppermint when I bought it so do

you think it is the poor soil it's planted in?  It's been in several

years now.  jennifer



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There are MANY varieties of mint. I convinced one local nursery that the

peppermint they were selling was, in fact, 'english mint'. :-) I've

never experienced a peppermint that smelled different, unless it was

another type of mint. Soil -may- have something to do with it, but I'm

unsure. I do know that pool soil can reduce the oil content of the

plant...?



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sycamore@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> I don't think my pepermint smells like peppermint.  It mells lke a weed

> to me.  I bought it at a herb center.  Could it be a 'wrong' variety?

> But surely I thought it smelled like peppermint when I bought it so do

> you think it is the poor soil it's planted in?  It's been in several

> years now.  jennifer



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Well, attached is a picture of peppermint from a book I have, but the

best way is to scratch-n-sniff.... You know, break off a leaf and smell

it, then taste it. If it smells like it and tastes like it, and looks

like it... it probably is.... The fact that it does not smell right

makes me wonder, but, tell me, has it been invasive?



sycamore@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> I don't think my pepermint smells like peppermint.  It mells lke a weed

> to me.  I bought it at a herb center.  Could it be a 'wrong' variety?

> But surely I thought it smelled like peppermint when I bought it so do

> you think it is the poor soil it's planted in?  It's been in several

> years now.  jennifer



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Well, attached is a picture of peppermint from a book I have, but the

best way is to scratch-n-sniff.... You know, break off a leaf and smell

it, then taste it. If it smells like it and tastes like it, and looks

like it... it probably is.... The fact that it does not smell right

makes me wonder, but, tell me, has it been invasive?



sycamore@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> I don't think my pepermint smells like peppermint.  It mells lke a weed

> to me.  I bought it at a herb center.  Could it be a 'wrong' variety?

> But surely I thought it smelled like peppermint when I bought it so do

> you think it is the poor soil it's planted in?  It's been in several

> years now.  jennifer

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Yes, it looks like peppermint.  

Yes, it has spread but where I live I don't think even kudzu could be

'invasive'.  Thank you.  jennifer



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might be right, but I have found that the worse the soil, the more i

mistreat it, the better mine grows... the same applies to kuzu by the

way.



sycamore@webtv.net wrote:

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> Yes, it looks like peppermint.

> Yes, it has spread but where I live I don't think even kudzu could be

> 'invasive'.  Thank you.  jennifer



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On Sun, 31 May 1998 Heidi Scholes In article <3571b7dd.824238

80@news.greennet.net>, Heidi Scholes <hscholes@nospam.gre

ennet.net> writes

>I buy an cleaning product called "Citra-Solv"  made by Shadow Lake in

>Danbury CT. 

>

>It's main ingredient is limonene, it's all natural, biodegradable and

>according to the maufacturer has very low toxicity levels even in

>concentration.

>

> I found out by accident that bees and wasps HATE the stuff. (I think

>it screws up their antenna reception ;-)



Isn't something called citronella related to limonene or is one a

synonym for the other. They sell citronella candles in the UK for

use around barbecues, keeps the insects away. I believe the

same principle is in those insect repellent things you can plug

into an AC point. I may be completely incorrect in this assumption.

It wouldn't be the first time.



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Could you provide additional information about Shadow Lake?  A telephone

number and address would be most appreciated.  How much does this Citra-Solv

cost and does it actually work as a cleaner (in addition to being a good bee

repellent)?  Do the bees ever get mad and attack instead of flying away?

Sorry about asking so many questions, but I figured you might know the

answers <g>.



John Mueller







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>Raw almonds contain laetrile, which has anti-cancer properties. 



Hi there



Laetrile is cytotoxic because one of the products yielded on

hydrolysis is hydrogen cyanide. This is not just anti-cancer, it is

anti-everything. 





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Is it safe for a child (9 years old) to take Evening Primrose Oil for dry

skin caused by asthma medication?  If so, what doesage is safe?  Please email

me directly at medsdriven@iname.com .  Thank you in advance for your help!



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Hello,



While I dont believe it would be unsafe, I would not recommend a

child taking EPO.  As EPO is often used in aiding hormone related

conditions, it may not be the best idea for a pre pubescent child.  



Personally I would recommend a blend of 3 drops Chamomile Roman

{Anthemis Nobilis} in 5ml {one teaspoon} of Macadamia nut.  As the

Macadamia nut is vary similar to the natural oils of the body, it will

be easily absorbed.  Also the Chamomile will work well on treating the

dry skin.  As Chamomile is a very gentle oil too, it can be used on a

childs delicate skin.  



I hope this helps

 

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>Is it safe for a child (9 years old) to take Evening Primrose Oil for dry

>skin caused by asthma medication?  If so, what doesage is safe?  Please email

>me directly at medsdriven@iname.com .  Thank you in advance for your help!

>

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I've just started using Kava in a capsule and I'm not clear on the dosage

information stated on the label. The label states on the front that these

are 300 mg. extract, and then beneath it there is smaller print saying

"standardized to 30% Kavalactones." This is then further detailed on the

back of the label with the statement "standardized to 30%

Kavalactones/Kavapyrones, equivalent to 90 mg."



OK, so which is it?  Are these 300 mg. or 90 mg. ?





I've read in various sources that recomended dosages are between 70 mg. to

200 mg. per day, and have read research papers related to using a daily

dosage of 100 mg.. I'd like to have some perspective on how much I'm

taking relative to what I've read.



Any information would be appreciated.



Thanks,  Kirk



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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:46:34 GMT, newworld@west.net wrote:



Kirk,



The official dosage in Germany is 60-120 mg Kavalactones a day.

You have to experiment a little.

Try doses between 120-200 mg a day.

That is Kavalactones!

In your case about 2 tablets a day.



Clemens



>I've just started using Kava in a capsule and I'm not clear on the dosage

>information stated on the label. The label states on the front that these

>are 300 mg. extract, and then beneath it there is smaller print saying

>"standardized to 30% Kavalactones." This is then further detailed on the

>back of the label with the statement "standardized to 30%

>Kavalactones/Kavapyrones, equivalent to 90 mg."

>

>OK, so which is it?  Are these 300 mg. or 90 mg. ?

>

>

>I've read in various sources that recomended dosages are between 70 mg. to

>200 mg. per day, and have read research papers related to using a daily

>dosage of 100 mg.. I'd like to have some perspective on how much I'm

>taking relative to what I've read.

>

>Any information would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks,  Kirk





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>>  Kavalactones are apparently an active 'ingredient' in kava ( for lack of

chemical analysis, which I can't do or explain ), and my reading indicates a

bias in favor of ingesting kava with 30% kavalactones as a minimum, and

perhaps interestingly, there is a maximum % these same people recommend.

So, in my only slightly informed opinion, you are taking 300 mg tablets,

which contain 30% kavalactones.  Personally, I just started taking kava,

bought some 'Nature's Resource' Kava Kava, 150mg of kava extract root

,"standardized to contain 30% kavalactones".





newworld@west.net wrote in message ...

>I've just started using Kava in a capsule and I'm not clear on the dosage

>information stated on the label. The label states on the front that these

>are 300 mg. extract, and then beneath it there is smaller print saying

>"standardized to 30% Kavalactones." This is then further detailed on the

>back of the label with the statement "standardized to 30%

>Kavalactones/Kavapyrones, equivalent to 90 mg."

>

>OK, so which is it?  Are these 300 mg. or 90 mg. ?

>

>

>I've read in various sources that recomended dosages are between 70 mg. to

>200 mg. per day, and have read research papers related to using a daily

>dosage of 100 mg.. I'd like to have some perspective on how much I'm

>taking relative to what I've read.

>

>Any information would be appreciated.

>

>Thanks,  Kirk







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Hi,



Hi,

I had a spot come up on my areola about a month ago that could only

have been classified as eczema. (A terrible awful place to have such

intense itching, BTW.) About the size of a dime, scaly skin on top and

blistered skin beneath this. Just touching it sent the itch-factor

through the roof. Lotions and oils only added a little moisture at

best and did absolutely nothing to remedy the scaling, which always

returned as soon as the moisturizing effect wore off. It did

absolutely nothing for the itch and blistering. So I did a bit of

reading in both my medical and alternative reference books. They

recommend several vitamin supplements, with vitamin A seeming to be

the most effective of the lot. Well, I was already taking all of these

supplements, either for general health or in high doses for other

problems. I couldn't see the benefit in raising my oral vitamin A dose

any more and feared it could even cause potential problems. So I

decided to try squeezing the contents of a vitamin A capsule on the

spot. It was quite noticably better by the next morning. A week later

it was completely gone. So this might be something you would want to

give a try. If you have large areas of eczema, it might be kind of

tedious to use the oil from the capsules. But maybe you could look for

a bottle of vitamin A oil (I know they sell vitamin E this way) or a

vitamin A lotion of some sort. And this is just a thought, but you

might want to ask your doctor if RetinA might be a useful medication.

Good luck, and I hope this helps. 



GCM

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Hi!  I was just reading your post.  Did you ever have your "eczema"

diagnosed?  Does it ever recur?  The symptoms sound quite a bit like herpes

(itching, *blisters*); possibly HSV1 (the virus which causes cold sores) due

to the location.  If this recurs you can get a culture taken to verify

whether or not it is caused by herpes.  Also there are a blood tests

(Western Blot or ELISA) that can determine whether or not you have herpes

antibodies when there is no outbreak present.  If it is herpes, there are

anti-virals (Famvir, Acyclovir, Valtrex, Zorivax) that suppress the virus.



Mary





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>Hi,

>

>Hi,

>I had a spot come up on my areola about a month ago that could only

>have been classified as eczema. (A terrible awful place to have such

>intense itching, BTW.) About the size of a dime, scaly skin on top and

>blistered skin beneath this. Just touching it sent the itch-factor

>through the roof. Lotions and oils only added a little moisture at

>best and did absolutely nothing to remedy the scaling, which always

>returned as soon as the moisturizing effect wore off. It did

>absolutely nothing for the itch and blistering.







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On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:14:58 -0400, "Samios"

<jsamios@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> wrote:



>Hi!  I was just reading your post.  Did you ever have your "eczema"

>diagnosed?  

No, but I've seen eczema before. My adoptive brother had it most of

his juvenile life. And the description would match a symptom here and

there for other things, but it only completely matched the ones the

books/pictures gave for eczema.

>Does it ever recur?  

Never had it before and haven't had it since. I believe the cause of

it this time was most probably stress. I've had a lot of that lately.

And stress is quite commonly a cause of eczema.

>The symptoms sound quite a bit like herpes

>(itching, *blisters*); 

They weren't just blisters. The blistering was under the dry, scaly

patch of skin.

>possibly HSV1 (the virus which causes cold sores) due

>to the location.  If this recurs you can get a culture taken to verify

>whether or not it is caused by herpes.  Also there are a blood tests

OK, rather than be one of those people who just assume, "Oh no, I

couldn't possibly have herpes!" I took your advice on this and had a

blood test done. Got the results this morning. No herpes-type viruses.

But I kind of suspected that, since neither me, my husband, nor my

children have ever had cold sores,warts or unexplained rashes...aside

from this one.  

I also doubt that Vitamin A would've cleared a viral infection.



GCM





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jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>I had a spot come up on my areola about a month ago that could only

>have been classified as eczema. (A terrible awful place to have such

>intense itching, BTW.) About the size of a dime, scaly skin on top and

>blistered skin beneath this. Just touching it sent the itch-factor

>through the roof.



I would strongly recommend you go see your G.P, to verify that that is

actually eczema.  Not to scare you, but there is a form of breast

cancer called Paget's disease, whose early symptoms include an eczema

type area, on, or close to, the areola.  



Judith



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Judith wrote:



> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>

> >I had a spot come up on my areola about a month ago that could only

> >have been classified as eczema. (A terrible awful place to have such

> >intense itching, BTW.) About the size of a dime, scaly skin on top and

> >blistered skin beneath this. Just touching it sent the itch-factor

> >through the roof.

>

> I would strongly recommend you go see your G.P, to verify that that is

> actually eczema.  Not to scare you, but there is a form of breast

> cancer called Paget's disease, whose early symptoms include an eczema

> type area, on, or close to, the areola.

>

> Judith



Oh dear... come on you all. It could also be YEAST. Plain and simple. I've

had this too and I went to dermo's, gp's, etc. It was a scaley patch on

the areola and the top of the breast and discoloration and other little

rashy kind of zits underneath the breast. It's yeast. I've used the

vitamin A and it works very well. Also, if you can stand it, take ginger,

grate it, put it in cheese cloth and make a ball about the 1/2 the size of

a golf ball and dip it for a few seconds in boiling water, rub on area, it

will sting. Pat dry. Put Vit. A on patch or under breast, etc.



   -- Marcella

Blanched@earthlink.net

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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:43:02 +0000, Marcella <blanched@earthlink.net>

wrote:

>

>Judith wrote:

>

>> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>> >I had a spot come up on my areola about a month ago that could only

>> >have been classified as eczema.

>>

>> I would strongly recommend you go see your G.P, to verify that that is

>> actually eczema.  Not to scare you, but there is a form of breast

>> cancer called Paget's disease, whose early symptoms include an eczema

>> type area, on, or close to, the areola.

>>

>> Judith

This one I'm not too concerned about. I've just had my annual exam

about 2 months ago, along with a mammogram. I've only had 2 mammograms

so far, because I'm only 32 and they just aren't that clear before 40

or so. But the breast exams, both at home and at the docs, are always

very thorough because I've had to deal with fibrocystic breast disease

since I was 14. So I'm always watching closely for new or different

types of lumps. So far, nothing suspicious.

>Oh dear... come on you all. It could also be YEAST. Plain and simple. I've

>had this too and I went to dermo's, gp's, etc. It was a scaley patch on

>the areola and the top of the breast and discoloration and other little

>rashy kind of zits underneath the breast. It's yeast. I've used the

>vitamin A and it works very well. Also, if you can stand it, take ginger,

>grate it, put it in cheese cloth and make a ball about the 1/2 the size of

>a golf ball and dip it for a few seconds in boiling water, rub on area, it

>will sting. Pat dry. Put Vit. A on patch or under breast, etc.

>

>   -- Marcella

>Blanched@earthlink.net

>SugrShck@aol.com

>

>

Alright, alright, alright. Eczema, herpes, cancer, yeast. If it comes

back, I will definitely have it looked at. But I will admit that the

yeast thing could be a definite possibility. In hindsight, it happened

right around the time I started going to the gym on a daily basis.

(Hopefully to relieve some of that stress I was talking about in an

earlier post.) I was always in the shower no more than an hour after

working out. However, combined with the hour I spent working out, that

gave whatever-it-was up to 2 hrs. to grow in that warm, sweaty,

confined space day after day. Sounds like a place that yeast would

just love to be. But whatever it was, the Vitamin A kicked it in the

butt pretty fast.

You know, girls are warned early on to watch for yeast problems "down

there"(cotton underpants, keep clean, keep it dry, etc.) But I never

thought you'd have to worry about them in the bra area. And bras are

notoriously *not* well-ventilated. Not well-supporting ones anyhow.

(Spandex, nylon, elastic, etc.) Doesn't make much sense does it?



GCM



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From wicca@cdh.net Thu Jun 04 18:52:49 1998

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Anyone know of any medicinal use for Vaccinium corymbosum, high bush

blueberry? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Can't find any info in

my herb books.

Debbie















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Blueberries are one of the richest sources of anthocyandins, which have

important biological functions. This is probably more nutritional than

medicine medicinal. Bilberries have similar compounds, which are

precursors of molecules used in the eye to sense color. Bilberries have

a reputation for improving sight. These anthocyandins are also good

antioxidants. 





Jonathan 









AutumnCrystal GreyWing wrote:

> 

> Anyone know of any medicinal use for Vaccinium corymbosum, high bush

> blueberry? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Can't find any info in

> my herb books.

> Debbie



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AutumnCrystal GreyWing <wicca@cdh.net> wrote in article

<3576C2D1.E66895D5@cdh.net>...

> Anyone know of any medicinal use for Vaccinium corymbosum, high bush

> blueberry? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Can't find any info in

> my herb books.

> Debbie

> 

>Hi Debbie! 

  This bush is, as I recall, closely related to the European blueberry

(Bilberry)

  whose berry contains powerful anti-oxidants which are especially good for

  capillaries (circulation) and the eyes. I have always suspected that our 

  American wild blueberry has similar properties. I have no research as yet

  to prove this. Hey, anyway the wild blueberry tastes great!

                    Jerry, in good health (through herbs)  jsmith@en.com  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 



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I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

"numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

literature on this subject.



Many thanks in advance,



Andy

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Around here, the big one is Zanthoxylum clava-herculis, known as Toothache 

Tree.  Even a tiny nibble numbs the end of the tongue for several minutes.  A 

definite favorite joke to play on newbies to field botany...



M. Reed,

Texas



>I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

>"numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

>aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

>and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

>into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

>different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

>effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

>effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

>any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

>literature on this subject.



>Many thanks in advance,



>Andy

>_____________________________________________________________________

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>Phytopharmacognosy List Moderator,

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>School of Health, Biological and Environmental Sciences (HeBES)

>Middlesex University

>Queensway

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>United Kingdom



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On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:32:24 -0700, ANDREW BROWN <ANDY7@nw.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:



>I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

>"numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.



True French tarragon, Artemesia drancunculus, numbs the lips and tip of the

tongue.

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In article <3576b537.11831596@news.mia.bellsouth.net>,

herblady@newsguy.com (Rastapoodle) wrote:



> True French tarragon, Artemesia drancunculus, numbs the lips and tip of the

> tongue.



I think numerous artemisia species have this effect.



Coca and betel are topical anaesthetics.



Nettles make the tongue tingle, even when taken as tea.



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ANDREW BROWN wrote:

> 

> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

> aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

> and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

> into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

> different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

> effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

> effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

> any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

> literature on this subject.



Well there is Ciguaterra shellfish poisioning, from a Pyrrhophyta

(Dinoflagellates) I can't remember which.  Ciguaterra causes numbness,

tingling, also temperature reversal, and other nasty stuff.  It also

stays in your system for years.



George Chlipala

cwolf@prairienet.org



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ANDREW BROWN wrote:

> 

> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

> aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

> and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

> into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

> different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

> effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

> effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

> any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

> literature on this subject.



You may want to take a look at the Arum family, specifically

Dieffenbachia, or Dumb Cane, or Mother-in-law Plant. The two common

names refer to the loss of speech if the plant is injested. If I am

not mistaken, the cause of this is small crystals of oxalic acid. Most

aroids share this property, including Philodendrons, and

Jack-in-the-pulpit, a common woodland plant found in the U.S.



This property is not restricted to this family, but is common in many

plants. Oxalidaceae gets its name for the presence of oxalic acid.



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john doe wrote in message <3576c0b0.10797432@news.gatech.edu>...

>

>... Oxalidaceae gets its name for the presence of oxalic acid.



...Or vice versa!  ;)  Generally speaking, chemical compounds are named

after the plants they are discovered in, since after all the plants have

been around a bit longer than the equipment and techniques required for

analysis.  Citrus fruit was named long before there was an isolated "Citric

acid", and Malus domestica, our common apple, likewise contributed it's

genus name to Malic acid.



-Rich









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In article <O3MKYddk9GA.253@upnetnews05>, Anna Wolf wrote:

> Does this include sorrel, from the Oxalis(?) family?

> Anna



Yes. "Sorrel" comes from the Old French, "surrelle", the diminutive of "sur", 

meaning sour or acid.



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john doe wrote:



> You may want to take a look at the Arum family, specifically

> Dieffenbachia, or Dumb Cane, or Mother-in-law Plant. The two common

> names refer to the loss of speech if the plant is injested. If I am

> not mistaken, the cause of this is small crystals of oxalic acid. Most

> aroids share this property, including Philodendrons, and

> Jack-in-the-pulpit, a common woodland plant found in the U.S.



 I wouldn't call what Jack-in-the-pulpit (the root anyway) does to you

 a "mild tingling"! I'd say that if loss of speech is induced, it's

 probably due to the extreme pain.



 You can sample j-i-t-p root if you wish - it's non-fatal in small

 quantities - but be careful.





-- 

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George Chlipala (cwolf@prairienet.org) wrote:

: ANDREW BROWN wrote:

: > 

: > I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

: > "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

: > aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

: > and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

: > into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

: > different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

: > effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

: > effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

: > any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

: > literature on this subject.



: Well there is Ciguaterra shellfish poisioning, from a Pyrrhophyta

: (Dinoflagellates) I can't remember which.  Ciguaterra causes numbness,

: tingling, also temperature reversal, and other nasty stuff.  It also

: stays in your system for years.



: George Chlipala

: cwolf@prairienet.org



In hawaii the toxic dinoflage responsible for ciguterra is Gambriodiscus 

toxicus, and it isn't a shellfish thing, it's found mainly on higher level

fish carnivores, jacks, snappers and groupers, it bio-acumulates from the 

lower level herbivores which are believed to ingest the dinoflage when they

munch on larger algae, the dinoflage occuring epitheticly.



Not that anyone knows for sure but...





--mike

(STILL no bitchin' sig, I **SPIT** on your bitchin' sig, your mother

was a hamster and your father smelled of elder berries!)



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In article <3576E832.5C15BB93@nw.mdx.ac.uk>, Andrew Brown wrote:

> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue. 



[snip]



> Dr Andy Brown,

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In article <3576E832.5C15BB93@nw.mdx.ac.uk>,

ANDREW BROWN <ANDY7@nw.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:

>I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

>"numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

>aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

>and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

>into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

>different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

>effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

>effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

>any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

>literature on this subject.



I have a hazy memory of fresh yarrow creating a numbing of the tip of

the tongue.



-- 

John A. Stanley                      jstanley@gate.net



        "Hey! You got your razor in my wager!"



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Cloves also produce a numbing effect.



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> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.



Not sure if all these qualify, but you might find them interesting:



1. In the northern counties of England, Hemlock water-dropwort

(Oenanthe crocata) has the local name, dead tongue, after its

paralysing effects on "the organs of voice". (If you eat more than

the tiniest amount of it, it's dead everything, of course!)



2. Water cress (Rorippa nasturtium-aquaticum) has the country

name of tang tongue or tang tongues. I certainly get a reaction

to it. There's a clue, of course, in its Latin name -- nasturtium.



3. Brooklime (Veronica beccabunga) has the name mouth-smart,

supposedly from the Flemish, beckpungen [after the pungency

of the leaves]



4. Water-pepper (Persicaria hydropiper) is called smartweed and,

in Canada, marshpepper smartweed. It affected the other end

of the body, too, especially when used as bedding, hence its

other country names -- arsmart, arsesmart and smartarse!



(Several of the Polygonums cause oral and intestinal irritation,

including knotgrass and redshank [aka dead arssmart

persicaria]).





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The Toothache Tree bark (Xanthoylum clavatum) and (Zanthoxylum sinensis)

cause a numbness on tongue and so are Echinacea aug. and E.purpurata

roots.



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There's a herb that used to be used as a menthol type inhalent (steeped

in hot water) called 'Feverfew', small yellowish-green ragged leaves and

a strong smell of menthol.



  In article <35786994.6138@wtp.net>, kr <kreid@wtp.net> writes

>ANDREW BROWN wrote:

>> 

>> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

>> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

>> aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

>> and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

>> into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

>> different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

>> effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

>> effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

>> any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

>> literature on this subject.

>> 

>> Many thanks in advance,

>> 

>> Andy

>> _____________________________________________________________________

>> Dr Andy Brown,

>> Phytopharmacognosy List Moderator,

>> Post-Doctoral Research Fellow (Phytochemistry and Pharmacognosy)

>> School of Health, Biological and Environmental Sciences (HeBES)

>> Middlesex University

>> Queensway

>> Enfield EN3 4SF

>> United Kingdom

>> 

>> Tel: (+44) 181 362 5450

>> Fax: (+44) 181 362 6774

>> A.M.Brown@mdx.ac.uk

>> Phytopharmacognosy discussion group:

>> http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/phytopharmacognosy/

>

>> ******************************************************************

>If you take the secondary roots (the smaller, finer portions of the root

>system) of Yarrow (Achillium millifolium) and chew on them for a bit,

>you'll get a tingling or numbing type of sensation.  This plant is

>commonly found in the mountain and foothill systems in the West.



Mart 



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Martin Akehurst wrote:

> 

> There's a herb that used to be used as a menthol type inhalent (steeped

> in hot water) called 'Feverfew', small yellowish-green ragged leaves and

> a strong smell of menthol.

> 

>   In article <35786994.6138@wtp.net>, kr <kreid@wtp.net> writes

> >ANDREW BROWN wrote:

> >>

> >> I'm looking for plants or plant products which lead to a "tingling",

> >> "numbing" sensation in the mouth, particularly on the tongue.  I am

> >> aware that menthol, or menthol-containing plants can have this effect,

> >> and that the stamens of Echinacea have similar effects when brought

> >> into contact with the oral mucosae.  I know that there are very

> >> different mechanisms for such activities- such as heat-dependent

> >> effects (e.g. capsaicin from chilli peppers) as well as cold-mediated

> >> effects (e.g. menthol), but I'd be happy to hear from anyone who has

> >> any personal experience of similar activities, or who is aware of

> >> literature on this subject.

> >>

> >> Many thanks in advance,

> >>

> >> Andy

> >> _____________________________________________________________________

> >> Dr Andy Brown,

> >> Phytopharmacognosy List Moderator,

> >> Post-Doctoral Research Fellow (Phytochemistry and Pharmacognosy)

> >> School of Health, Biological and Environmental Sciences (HeBES)

> >> Middlesex University

> >> Queensway

> >> Enfield EN3 4SF

> >> United Kingdom

> >>

> >> Tel: (+44) 181 362 5450

> >> Fax: (+44) 181 362 6774

> >> A.M.Brown@mdx.ac.uk

> >> Phytopharmacognosy discussion group:

> >> http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/phytopharmacognosy/

> >

> >> ******************************************************************

> >If you take the secondary roots (the smaller, finer portions of the root

> >system) of Yarrow (Achillium millifolium) and chew on them for a bit,

> >you'll get a tingling or numbing type of sensation.  This plant is

> >commonly found in the mountain and foothill systems in the West.

> 

> Mart

There is a plant in East Texas,USA called Hercules Club, a tree

actually. This was known to the first settlers as a "Toothache tree"

because of the effect of it's bark on the mouth.  Chewing a small piece

of the bark gives a tingling, numbing effect on the mouth like a natural

novacaine. It was used extensivly to stop the pain of a toohache until a

dentist could be visited.

redsmith@usa.net



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Just one more comment on this thread that I don't believe has been

brought up yet (although I haven't followed it too carefully):



Please do not actually try out the effectiveness of these plants on

yourself or on others! To read and be interested in the things you

read about in newsgroups is one thing, but to experiment with them is

something else altogether.



Accurate identification of a plant by an amateur is always

questionable. Try to tell the difference between wild carrot and water

hemlock, and you will see what I mean.



With this particular subject, you are treading on dangerous ground.

Plants produce these poisons on purpose: to prevent being eaten. And

in a lot of cases, they are VERY effective, sometimes in very small

quantities. Knowing that these plants exist is important, but please

don't go experimenting with them. I know we are not talking about

those wildgrowing plants which are sometimes used as recreational

drugs. But the consequences of mistakes in all cases can be fatal.



From mannj@southern.co.nz Mon Jun 15 06:55:43 1998

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Weekend warrior <die.spammer@die.com> wrote:

[snip]

: With this particular subject, you are treading on dangerous ground.

: Plants produce these poisons on purpose: to prevent being eaten. And

: in a lot of cases, they are VERY effective, sometimes in very small

: quantities. Knowing that these plants exist is important, but please

: don't go experimenting with them. I know we are not talking about

: those wildgrowing plants which are sometimes used as recreational

: drugs. But the consequences of mistakes in all cases can be fatal.



To ride one of my hobbyhorses...  consider the remarkable fact that so many

plant-generated poisons have unpleasant tastes.  Bitterness or, in these

cases, tingling.  Can it be mere coincidence?  Unlikely.  Do our taste buds

act as mini-testtubes, evaluating our food for possible toxicity?  I doubt

that, since a number of plant toxins act on specific organs like liver or

intestine.  My tentative conclusion is that bad taste is a mutually

cooperative venture between plants and animals.  A plant that produces a

silent toxin can eventually kill the animal, but the situation could be an

animal cadaver with a full stomach, and a plant eaten to the ground.  So

the evolution of plant toxins with nasty tastes provides an early-warning

message to the animal, that further ingestion may produce illness or death.



One excellent suggestion that I received regarding this situation is that

the relative size of plant and animal might be important in determining

whether a plant toxin has an unpleasant taste.  For instance, it's more

important to deter a cow or a sheep from eating a herbaceous plant, than it

is to kill that ruminant.  But it might be OK to kill small insects without

warning.  Moreover, discouraging one particular insect might not prevent the

thousands of siblings from each taking one nibble.  



Just a thought,



Jay Mann

<mannj@southlights.gen.nz>



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On 15 Jun 1998 03:55:43 GMT, Jay Mann <mannj@southern.co.nz> wrote:



>To ride one of my hobbyhorses...  consider the remarkable fact that so many

>plant-generated poisons have unpleasant tastes.  Bitterness or, in these

>cases, tingling.  Can it be mere coincidence?  Unlikely.  Do our taste buds

>act as mini-testtubes, evaluating our food for possible toxicity?  I doubt

>that, since a number of plant toxins act on specific organs like liver or

>intestine.  My tentative conclusion is that bad taste is a mutually

>cooperative venture between plants and animals.  A plant that produces a

>silent toxin can eventually kill the animal, but the situation could be an

>animal cadaver with a full stomach, and a plant eaten to the ground.  So

>the evolution of plant toxins with nasty tastes provides an early-warning

>message to the animal, that further ingestion may produce illness or death.



That makes a lot of sense. Very related to this are small animals that are

poisonous. They are always bright colors to advertise this. The ones that

blend into the background aren't poisonous, but use camouflage to avoid

being eaten. (Thinking of things like lizards.)



Don (at panix com).



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>>To ride one of my hobbyhorses...  consider the remarkable fact that so many

>>plant-generated poisons have unpleasant tastes.  Bitterness or, in these

>>cases, tingling.  Can it be mere coincidence?  Unlikely.  Do our taste buds

>>act as mini-testtubes, evaluating our food for possible toxicity?  I doubt

>>that, since a number of plant toxins act on specific organs like liver or

>>intestine.  My tentative conclusion is that bad taste is a mutually

>>cooperative venture between plants and animals.  A plant that produces a

>>silent toxin can eventually kill the animal, but the situation could be an

>>animal cadaver with a full stomach, and a plant eaten to the ground.  So

>>the evolution of plant toxins with nasty tastes provides an early-warning

>>message to the animal, that further ingestion may produce illness or death.

Actually, the coevolution of herbivore - plant toxin relationship, at

least with animals capable of learning, is to have the plant produce

something that makes the animal sick enough to teach it not to eat it

again, instead of killing it. I am not sure that this applies to

insects. Also, some herbivores evolved rumens which allowed them to

both detoxify some of the plant poisons, as well as to take advantage

of less nutritious plants, such as grasses.



Anyway, the relationships between plants and the animals which feed on

them are complex, perhaps beyond our current understanding. And

definitely too complex to broadly define with a single explanation.

(This is not a flame; keep thinking: it is something that too few

people do!)



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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:31:58, die.spammer@die.com (Weekend warrior) wrote:



>...

> Actually, the coevolution of herbivore - plant toxin relationship, at

> least with animals capable of learning, is to have the plant produce

> something that makes the animal sick enough to teach it not to eat it

> again, instead of killing it. ...



In fact (though I can't provide a citation) there's a built-in reaction 

among mammals, and probably among other things with large enough brains: 

if you get sick within hours after eating a new food, you avoid the food 

from then on.  In anthropomorphic terms, one would say that the animal 

decides retroactively that the stuff tastes bad.  A hobby horse of mine: 

how many of individual people's inexplicable food hatreds (not the 

reasonable things like cultural biases) stem from happening to get sick 

after the first exposure to some food?



A few years back there was a published experiment in which virgin male 

hamsters (?) were exposed to essence of female hamster in heat, and then 

injected with something that would make them throw up.  It had the 

expected effect: a seriously conflicted young hamster.  Happily, in this 

contest between Eros and Eris (or whoever may be the god of emesis) the 

animals tended to turn to Eros in time.  So I recall it, anyway.



-- 

Dan Drake

dd@dandrake.com

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In article <897882932.337957@mnementh.southern.co.nz>,

Jay Mann  <mannj@southern.co.nz> wrote:

>

>To ride one of my hobbyhorses...  consider the remarkable fact that so many

>plant-generated poisons have unpleasant tastes.  Bitterness or, in these

>cases, tingling.  Can it be mere coincidence?  Unlikely.  Do our taste buds

>act as mini-testtubes, evaluating our food for possible toxicity?  I doubt

>that, since a number of plant toxins act on specific organs like liver or

>intestine.  My tentative conclusion is that bad taste is a mutually

>cooperative venture between plants and animals.  A plant that produces a

>silent toxin can eventually kill the animal, but the situation could be an

>animal cadaver with a full stomach, and a plant eaten to the ground.  So

>the evolution of plant toxins with nasty tastes provides an early-warning

>message to the animal, that further ingestion may produce illness or death.



Many plant toxins are alkaloids which all have a bitter taste.  This taste

really is like the toxic animals with bright colors - we abhor the bitter

taste, so we don't eat enough to destroy our livers, the plant is happy

and we are happy (once we get the taste out of our mouths...).  I agree

that our abhorrence of bitter tastes is a cooperative evolutionary venture

between plants and animals.



Now, where's that cup of coffee, love the bitter taste of caffeine... :-)



>One excellent suggestion that I received regarding this situation is that

>the relative size of plant and animal might be important in determining

>whether a plant toxin has an unpleasant taste.  For instance, it's more

>important to deter a cow or a sheep from eating a herbaceous plant, than it

>is to kill that ruminant.  But it might be OK to kill small insects without

>warning.  Moreover, discouraging one particular insect might not prevent the

>thousands of siblings from each taking one nibble.  



Interesting point.



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As a long time field botanist who can't help tasting and sniffing plants,

flowers, fruits out there I

can say from experience that the most amazing plant part which is guaranteed to

provide a long lasting "tingling", and "numbing" sensation in the mouth,

particularly on the tongue, is the ripe

fruit of Xanthoxylum americanum Mill (the Prickly Ash). This is the

northernmost  species of

the large tropical family Rutaceae to which lemons, limes, oranges, etc.

belong.  Just a small

nibble at a ripe berry (they are very glandular) will send your tongue for a

loop. And the tingle

does not go away for a half hour at least.  I have always thought that these

berries should be

useful in "hot" cookery, but have not had the courage to experiment.  Have

never heard of any

species in the Rutaceae being toxic. Perhaps others reading this post have had

some

experience with the berries of this interesting plant. (some spell the generic

name as Zanthoxylum!).



Ted Mosquin







From kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com Sat Jun 13 15:12:08 1998

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Hello



   I see many

plants in

replies to your

message that

have very

strong effects.

Well, I drink

kava-kava tea

when I have

trouble

sleeping and it

produces a

numbing effect

in the mouth

that is fairly

strong.

   I have also

read that

kava-kava can

become like a

hullucinogen if

taken in large

doses. To do

that, the dose

must have to be

pretty big as I

have never felt

anything but

very relaxed.



Be well

Kenneth

Morrison





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Kenneth Morrison  <kennethmorrison@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>Hello

>

>   I see many

>plants in

>replies to your

>message that

>have very

>strong effects.

>Well, I drink

>kava-kava tea

>when I have

>trouble

>sleeping and it

>produces a

>numbing effect

>in the mouth

>that is fairly

>strong.

>   I have also

>read that

>kava-kava can

>become like a

>hullucinogen if

>taken in large

>doses. To do

>that, the dose

>must have to be

>pretty big as I

>have never felt

>anything but

>very relaxed.

>

>Be well

>Kenneth

>Morrison

>



A 16 character

wide terminal?



Either you're 

drinking a lot

of kava-kava

and hallucinat-

ing a wider mon-

itor, or you're

posting to use-

net with a 

GameBoy....



Doug N









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In article <35826C98.B0BFF351@sprintmail.com>, Kenneth Morrison wrote:

> Well, I drink kava-kava tea



Don't think we see that in Europe. Do you know any more about the plant it 

comes from?



Regards,



Roger



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I've gone the MD route (at least to the point with the current set of

doctors), and have not attained any significant relief from this problem.

So, I'm seeking educated advice on some potential alternatives to the

current allopathic route.



Current symptoms:

I am experiencing a pressure sensation in both my ears, but more so in the

left ear. This is causing a slight loss of hearing sensitivity in the left

ear (note, I'm an audiophile and maximal hearing is of great value to me.

I first realized a medical level care requirement when listening to music,

and the soundstage was shifted slightly to the right. After checking

system components, I asked my wife and a friend to identify the

musician/instrument locations within the soundfield and they placed them

relative to center!). I am also now experiencing what is classified as

"tinnitus", as I now hear a low level background high-frequency noise in

quiet environments, as well as an increase in a louder mid-range frequency

tone that periodically comes and goes. Note that this slight hearing

sensitivity loss is variable, and will change day to day, and even hour to

hour.



I am also experiencing an ear-plugging sensation - the same as one

experiences during airplane flights especially during takoffs and

descents. However, I usually cannot do the yawning, or nose holding plus

swallowing, etc. to get the ears to "pop". Once in a while they do "pop",

and the pressure and ringing subside, but still do not go away completely.

This plugging sensation gets worse whenever I lay down, especially if I

lay flat with no pillow/elevation of head. Leaning backwards or forwards,

or straining under exersion (such as lifting heavy weights) will also

exacerbate the plugging. When the plugging gets "bad", then moderate sound

levels cause a buzzing sound within the left ear (very similar to a piece

of material that is just making contact with a vibrating speaker cone).



As well, I also have pain sensations occuring in either or both ears,

though not all the time.



Historical data:

I'm 42 and in general good health. Lots of physical exercise and careful,

healthy diet. I've never been subjected to a loud noise environment; never

over abused my hearing, and have been very careful to protect my hearing

where necessary. No family history of hearing disorders.



I have had sinus congestion for as long as I can remember. Starting in

March of 1997, I have developed what appears to be allergy symptoms for

the first time - itchy eyes, increased congestion and sneezing.

Allergy-like symptoms started again this spring. 



I started with some increase in ear plugging symptoms in May '97. In

October I started to have some sharp, temporary pain in the ears. Late

October was the notice of the sound-stage sift and realization of some

hearing loss in the left ear. In November went to my primary physician. He

found some TMJ like pressure points on back of jaw bone that gave me

relief when massaged from ear pain (though still not 100%). He started

treatment with Flonase nasal steroidal spray, and concluded a blocked

eustacean tube diagnosis. This was ineffective. He then added allergy

medications and did a hearing test. Ears/hearing tested good, but no help

from Claritan medication. I was then referred to an ENT specialist. He

examined ears, nose, eustacean tubes and did another, more thorough ear

test. Ears/hearing tested very-good, with a slight loss in left ear

compared to right. His diagnosis was same as family-doc:  blocked

eustacean tubes due to allergy. He has tried other allergy + decongestant

medications and other nose sprays. While my breathing ability thru the

nose is improved, the root problem(s) were not affected.  Because of my

health history and coincidence of the allergy symptoms along with the

other symptoms, he is now going to send me to an ENT's specialist to see

if he missed something. Otherwise he indicated that there might not be

anything really "wrong" and this is just something I will have to live

with.





Obviously, this answer is not acceptable. Based on my symptoms, and the

fact that all this has occured within the last 11 months along with coming

down with allergies for the first time in my life, etc., etc., this

doesn't appear to be a logical conclusion. He said I don't fit the typical

tinnitus profile, and is a bit surprised the allergy drugs didn't cure me.

Oh ya, to add another piece of info, I did talk to a friend who is into

aromatherapy. She told me to get essential oil of rosemary (NOT

eucalyptus), and snif the fumes on a tissue. I did that, and the nose

cleared, but it WORSENED the ear-pressure symptom!? As well, I've seen all

the posts about food allergies, and dairy products seem to be a favorite.

I did try the non-dairy diet about 5 years ago for about 10 days. I did

notice a minor improvement in breathing, but that was it. Since my diet

hasn't changed much, and the allergy symptoms lessen over the winter

months, or while being inside, I tend to believe the airborn allergens

theory (that's still not to say I don't have food allergies).



Anyway, sorry for the long post, but I am not ready to acquiesce to this

ear pressure, tinnitus, and hearing imparement. I would appreciate any

informative recommendations from members of these news groups.



Thankyou,

David

david.gallagher@nortel.com



From emmamck@email.msn.com Thu Jun 04 23:32:54 1998

From: "emmamck" <emmamck@email.msn.com>

Subject: Wild Plants

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:32:54 -0400

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Am interested in learning more about edible wild plants. Their botany name,

growth, location, and if possible drawings & recipes. We are interested in

all edible wild plants and will share data & recipes on what we have.

e-mail address  emmamck@msn.com

Correspondence address:   John H. mcKinney

                                                   14358 Lowville Street

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There is an excellent book that I use regularly called "Food for Free" by

Richard Mabey, published by Harper Collins.  I never go out without it!!



Jane :-)





emmamck wrote in message ...

>Am interested in learning more about edible wild plants. Their botany name,

>growth, location, and if possible drawings & recipes. We are interested in

>all edible wild plants and will share data & recipes on what we have.









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I received an excellent book as an xmas gift a number of years ago from my

bro..........The Natural World Cookbook,Complete Gourmet Meals from Edible

Wilds, by Joe Freitus; distributed by The Stephen Greene Press,Box 1000,

Brattleboro,Vt. , 05301

    has great accurate drawings and tons of recipes!Almost 300 pgs. worth! I

gave you address as I do not know if it is in print any longer.This is an

excellent book in my opinion



Another good one and funny is Identifying and Harvesting Edible and Medicinal

Plants, "Wildman"Steve Brill with Evelyn Dean.

I found this at Barnes and Noble



Good luck and happy harvesting! Marianne



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HI there

Sorry about the cross posting, but it seemed the listed groups would

offer me the best variety of opportunities for answers...



OK I have a bad abrasion on my leg... I sent my son out to snip a hunk

of Aloe off of my large plant in the front yard.  He brought back a 6

inch or so long leaf which simply REEKED!  It smelled like spoiled meat

that had been seasoned with garlic...I don't put any pesticides on this

plant and it grows right next to a dense batch of Callis (not sure if

that is the right name-Tall bulb plants w/ yellow flowers and large,

broad leaves).  I have taken pieces off this plant before and never

encountered this type of foul smell.



Theory- This leaf was cut on  a very hot Texas summer day- it was very

warm when my son brought it to me.  Could it be that the plant produces

this odor during the heat of the day to ward off animals and bugs that

might try to get a little moisture from its juicy leaves???  I still

squeezed the gel out of the leaf (which started to smell less strong

after I cooled it under running water)onto my wound..hoping the smell

didn't indicate some toxic substance!



If anyone has any description of the biochemical aspects of this I'd

love to hear them having survived biochem myself(I am a nursing

student). In fact I could say the odor was along the lines of other foul

smelling substances such as amines...



Thanks

Jocelyn Anderson



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Jocelyn Anderson wrote:



> HI there

> Sorry about the cross posting, but it seemed the listed groups would

> offer me the best variety of opportunities for answers...

>

> OK I have a bad abrasion on my leg... I sent my son out to snip a hunk

> of Aloe off of my large plant in the front yard.  He brought back a 6

> inch or so long leaf which simply REEKED!  It smelled like spoiled meat

> that had been seasoned with garlic...I don't put any pesticides on this

> plant and it grows right next to a dense batch of Callis (not sure if

> that is the right name-Tall bulb plants w/ yellow flowers and large,

> broad leaves).  I have taken pieces off this plant before and never

> encountered this type of foul smell.

>

> Theory- This leaf was cut on  a very hot Texas summer day- it was very

> warm when my son brought it to me.  Could it be that the plant produces

> this odor during the heat of the day to ward off animals and bugs that

> might try to get a little moisture from its juicy leaves???  I still

> squeezed the gel out of the leaf (which started to smell less strong

> after I cooled it under running water)onto my wound..hoping the smell

> didn't indicate some toxic substance!

>

> If anyone has any description of the biochemical aspects of this I'd

> love to hear them having survived biochem myself(I am a nursing

> student). In fact I could say the odor was along the lines of other foul

> smelling substances such as amines...

>

> Thanks

> Jocelyn Anderson



  How many neighborhood dogs have access to your yard?





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phxbrd@pop.phnx.uswest.net wrote:

> 

> Jocelyn Anderson wrote:

> > > HI there

> 

> > OK I have a bad abrasion on my leg... I sent my son out to snip a hunk> > of Aloe off of my large plant in the front yard.  He brought back a 6> > inch or so long leaf which simply REEKED!  It smelled like spoiled meat> > that had been seasoned with garlic...I don't put any pesticides on this> > plant and it grows right next to a dense batch of Callis (not sure if> > that is the right name-Tall bulb plants w/ yellow flowers and large,> > broad leaves).  I have taken pieces off this plant before and never> > encountered this type of foul smell.

> >

> > Theory- This leaf was cut on  a very hot Texas summer day- it was very> > warm when my son brought it to me.  Could it be that the plant produces> > this odor during the heat of the day to ward off animals and bugs that> > might try to get a little moisture from its juicy leaves???  I still> > squeezed the gel out of the leaf (which started to smell less strong> > after I cooled it under running water)onto my wound..hoping the smell> > didn't indicate some toxic substance!

> >

> > If anyone has any description of the biochemical aspects of this I'd

> > love to hear them having survived biochem myself(I am a nursing

> > student). In fact I could say the odor was along the lines of other foul> > smelling substances such as amines...

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jocelyn Anderson



> 

>   How many neighborhood dogs have access to your yard?



Very few- I live on a military installation and there are hardly any

stray dogs- MPs pick 'em up pretty quick (I know, I have had to bail my

own out on a few occasions) and outdoor cats are strictly forbidden

also.  This smell was nothing like urine, however...



It was definitely from the juice of the plant, not something that wouls

wash off (I tried!)

-- 

_Jocelyn_

ICQ# 9458429

************************

<< This Space For Rent>>	

************************



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Jocelyn Anderson <andersons@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>OK I have a bad abrasion on my leg... I sent my son out to snip a hunk

>of Aloe off of my large plant in the front yard.  He brought back a 6

>inch or so long leaf which simply REEKED!

  There are MANY bacteria that can infect plants, and they can

produce strong aromas.  The Pseudomonas family is the most

wide-spread of the plant pathogens, AND VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT

CAN INFECT HUMANS!  There are enough cases of fast-moving, nearly

impossible, dangerous to treat wound infections from accidental

(or deliberate) contamination of wounds with wild Pseumonas form

infected plants. "Silage cuts" - the tiny abrasions you get when

working with corn silage - and other exposure to plant material

contaminated with Pseudomas, can go from small to life

threatening in a matter of a couple of days.  Because they are

accidental human pathogens, antibiotics don't work very well

against them.  I remember one death from a gardening cut:

according to the final ID on the bacteria responsible, it was a

"common pathogen of tulips".  But in the human, it caused a fatal

septicemia with loss of blood clotting ability, kidney and liver

failure, and internal bleeding.  I don't know what it does to

tulips.

 The typical pseudomas smell is "fruity", but that's on the

plates in the lab.  In the wild, they could smell like anything,

because they probably have company.  Members of the Clostridium

family usually produce foul-smelling byproducts.  Only a few of

them are pathogenic, but they are widespread in nature.

  Did your son whack off a leaf that was starting to wilt or turn

transparent?  



>I still squeezed the gel out of the leaf (which started to smell less strong

>after I cooled it under running water)onto my wound..hoping the smell

>didn't indicate some toxic substance!

  If you are luck, it didn't indicate that the plant was infected

with plant pathogens.





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  I went to the Doctor and have a sinus infection and a tear in my ear

drum. he said it was probably caused by the infection. Anyway it said it

should take about 2 weeks for it to heal back and has me on Augmenton.

What types of herbs can I take to help my ear heal quicker. I am

currectly taking Vitamin C & E. Mark





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Found this after doing a search for Stevia on http://www.fda.gov



There were other articles there, but I don't have adobe acrobat reader

on this system to check 'em out.



=====

IA#45-06,  REVISED 2/2/96, ATTACHMENT REVISED 12/19/95



SUBJECT           :     "AUTOMATIC DETENTION OF STEVIA LEAVES, EXTRACT

OF

                        STEVIA LEAVES, AND FOOD CONTAINING STEVIA"





NOTE              :     This alert has been revised to incorporate

analytical

                        methodology.  Changes are bracketed by asterisks

                        (***).



TYPE OF ALERT     :     Automatic Detention



                        (Note:  This import alert contains guidance to

FDA

                        field personnel only.  It does not establish any

                        requirements or obligations on FDA or on

regulated

                        entities.)



PRODUCT           :     Stevia> leaves, stevioside (extract of stevia

leaves),

                        foods containing stevia, unless explicitly

labeled as

                        a dietary supplement or for use as a dietary

                        ingredient of a dietary supplement.



PRODUCT CODE      :     45T[][]99



                        All food product codes where the leaves or

stevioside

                        are present as an ingredient (except for dietary

                        supplements).



PROBLEM           :     Unsafe food additive



PAC               :     09006A



COUNTRY           :     See attachment



MANUFACTURER/

SHIPPER           :     See attachment



MANUFACTURER/

SHIPPER

I.D.#             :     N/A



IMPORTERS

I.D. #            :     N/A



CHARGE            :     "The article is subject to refusal of admission

                        pursuant to Section 801(a)(3) in that it appears

to

                        contain a food additive which is unsafe within

the

                        meaning of Section 409, namely stevia leaves or

the

                        extract thereof (stevioside) [Adulteration,

Section

                        402(a)(2)(c)]."



RECOMMENDING

OFFICE            :     DAL-DO (HFR-SW140);

                        CFSAN/Office of Special Nutritionals/Regulatory

                        Branch, (HFS-456);

                        CFSAN/Office of Field Programs/Import Programs

Branch,

                        (HFS-637)



















REASON FOR

ALERT             :     <Stevia> leaves are a native product in Brazil

and

                        Paraguay. The extract, stevioside, has

reportedly been

                        approved for use in foods in Brazil and Japan. 

The

                        product is used in these countries as a

table-top

                        sweetener in virtually all food commodities and

as a

                        flavor enhancer in such products as teas.

Stevioside

                        is reportedly 250-300 times sweeter than sugar

and

                        contributes no calories to the diet.



                        With regard to its use in foods, stevia is not

an

                        approved food additive nor affirmed as GRAS in

the

                        United States.  Available toxicological

information on

                        stevia is inadequate to demonstrate its safety

as a

                        food additive or to affirm its status as GRAS.

                        However, with  regard to its use in dietary

                        supplements, dietary ingredients, including

stevia,

                        are not subject to food additive regulations.



                        <Stevia> leaves and stevioside have been offered

for

                        entry both in bulk and in finished products. 

Examples

                        of products detained because of stevia include

teas,

                        drinks, seafood, fruits, vegetables, and

candies.  FDA

                        analysis performed by Dallas district found diet

teas

                        to consist of up to six percent of stevioside.



GUIDANCE          :     Districts may detain without physical

examination all

                        products identified on the attachment to this

alert.

                        If review of the labeling or import paperwork

reveals

                        stevia leaves, stevioside, or products

containing

                        stevioside, districts may detain these items

without

                        physical examination, unless explicitly labeled

as a

                        dietary supplement, or for use solely as a

dietary

                        ingredient in the manufacture of a dietary

supplement

                        product.



                        If stevia is to be used in a dietary supplement

for a

                        technical effect, such as use as a sweetener or

                        flavoring agent, and is labeled as such, it is

                        considered an unsafe food additive.  However, in

the

                        absence of labeling specifying that stevia is

being or

                        will be used for a technical effect, use of

stevia as

                        a dietary ingredient in a dietary supplement is

not

                        subject to the food additive provisions of the

FD&C

                        Act.



                        If districts determine through analysis that a

product

                        contains stevia leaves or stevioside,

recommendations

                        for automatic detention should be forwarded to

DIOP,

                        HFC-170, with the analytical package unless the

                        product is explicitly labeled as a dietary

supplement

                        or for use solely as a dietary ingredient in the

                        manufacture of a dietary supplement product.



                        In FY'95, there have been several shipments of

pickled

                        radishes from Japan detained because of presence

of

                        stevioside.  Also, in recent years stevia has

been

                        found in many seafood products from Japan. 

Districts

                        should consider sampling these products for the

                        presence of stevioside if its presence cannot be

                        determined from the label.









                        <Stevia> leaves/stevioside may be under study in

the

                        United States in research settings as a basis

for

                        establishing toxicological information for

future food

                        additive petitions.  As stevia leaves/stevioside

are

                        not available in the United States, imported

shipments

                        of stevia leaves/stevioside may be considered

for

                        release when documentation exists to demonstrate

that

                        the pending destination and use of the product

is for

                        research purposes.



                        ***The Division of Field Science recommends that

                        district laboratories utilize the method

published in

                        the Journal of Chromatography, 474 (1989), p.

447-451,

                        "Simultaneous Determination of Stevioside,

                        Rebaudioside A and C and Dulcoside A on Foods by

                        High-Performance Liquid Chromatography."



                        A laboratory must assure that recommended

                        methodologies are reliable and accurate by

utilizing

                        appropriate validation procedures.  Reference to

any

                        commercial materials, equipment, or processes

does not

                        in any way constitute approval, endorsement, or

                        recommendation by FDA.***



                        For questions or issues concerning science,

science

                        policy, sample collection, analysis,

preparation, or

                        analytical methodology, contact the Division of

Field

                        Science at (301) 443-3320 or 3007.



PRIORITIZATION

GUIDANCE          :     II



FOI               :     No purging required.



KEYWORDS          :     <Stevia, stevioside, sweetener, flavor enhancer,

unsafe

                        food additive

DATE LOADED

INTO FIARS        :     February  2, 1996



              ATTACHMENT TO IMPORT ALERT #45-06  REVISED 12/19/95



        SPECIFIC FIRMS AND PRODUCTS IDENTIFIED FOR AUTOMATIC DETENTION



                                JAPAN (JP, 490)





FIRM:                   PRODUCT:          AUTO DET:   PRODUCT CODE:



Kuroda Shokuhin         Pickled Radish    9/18/95     25J[][]26

 Co., Inc.

Kobe City, Hyogo, Japan

MID# JPKURSHO1511KOB



Nozaki Tsukemono Co., Ltd  Salted Radish   12/19/95    25J[]P26

95 Takaasu-Cho                                         25J[]P27

Miyazaki, Japan

MID# JPNOZTSU95MIY

FEI# 1000339196



Shinshin Shokuryo Kogyo    Salted Radish   12/19/95    25J[]P26

 Co., Ltd.                                             25J[]P27

3-38 Kanda

Chiyoda-Ku, Tokyo, Japan

MID# JPSHISHO338TOK

FIE# 1000152843



From Bobtaylor@jerseycape.com Sun Jun 07 19:27:49 1998

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From: "Bob Taylor" <Bobtaylor@jerseycape.com>

Subject: Re: The FDA & Stevia

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This is good research on your part.



The long and short of it means that Stevia can be imported as long as it

is a dietary supplement and not as a food additive, as it is in the

products

listed for detention.



If, we as private individuals want to add it to our foods, that's beyond

the scope

of FDA regulations. However, products containing Stevia as an additive, is

regulated and since the additive is not approved, the products are

detained.



I hope this makes the situation clear to all concerned.



Bob Taylor

Taylor's Organic Gardens









Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote in article

<35761C67.4894CCB4@home.com>...

> Found this after doing a search for Stevia on http://www.fda.gov

> 

> 

> =====

> IA#45-06,  REVISED 2/2/96, ATTACHMENT REVISED 12/19/95

> 

> SUBJECT           :     "AUTOMATIC DETENTION OF STEVIA LEAVES, EXTRACT

> OF

>                         STEVIA LEAVES, AND FOOD CONTAINING STEVIA"

> 







From chipperdog@my-dejanews.com Fri Jun 05 07:22:05 1998

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From: chipperdog@my-dejanews.com

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Subject: herbal stimulant

Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:22:05 GMT

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hi



i was wondering if anyone knows of an effective herbal stimulant. i'm looking

for something that DOES NOT HAVE A VASOCONSTRICTIVE EFFECT,which rules out any

kind of herb with caffeine or ephedrine as it's active ingredient. something

which dilates the blood vessels would be the best.



thanks to all...chipperdog



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From timothyt@bright.net Fri Jun 05 16:32:08 1998

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From: "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 09:32:08 EDT

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On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 04:22:05 GMT, 

chipperdog@my-dejanews.com  <chipperdog@my-dejanews.com> wrote:



>i was wondering if anyone knows of an effective herbal stimulant. i'm looking

>for something that DOES NOT HAVE A VASOCONSTRICTIVE EFFECT,which rules out any

>kind of herb with caffeine or ephedrine as it's active ingredient. something

>which dilates the blood vessels would be the best.



Try cayenne, if you have no ulcers.

Try tyrosine, if you have no thyroid problems.



Tim



ps. I take cayenne 3times / day mainly to reduce chronic pain but 

I think its a gentle and effective stimulant as well. I have to be 

careful when taking tyrosine. Thyroid problems run in my family.





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From: "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal stimulant

Date: Mon, 8 Jun 98 10:19:09 EDT

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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 01:29:06 GMT, 

cyli@visi.com  <cyli@visi.com> wrote:



>What does tyrosine do to/for the thyroid?  



The thyroid uses the amino acid to make the thyroid hormones. 

The primary hormone being thyroxine? I presume taking too much

tyrosine can/will make the thyroid hyperactive?





From bcforrest@mindspring.com Fri Jun 05 08:56:57 1998

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From: Forrest <bcforrest@mindspring.com>

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Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:56:57 -0500

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Am I mistaken? Isn't tryptophan the stuff in milk and turkey that makes

you sleepy?



Bryan Forrest



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From: "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: 5-HTP

Date: Fri, 5 Jun 98 09:23:27 EDT

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On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:56:57 -0500, 

Forrest   <bcforrest@mindspring.com> wrote:



>Am I mistaken? Isn't tryptophan the stuff in milk and turkey that makes

>you sleepy?



You are correct. That is the same stuff. Tryptophan is one of the 

essential amino acids. 5-HTP is potentially 10 times more potent

than L-tryptophan, since it's alittle closer to serotonin than

L-tryptophan is. So your body has an easier time using 5-HTP than

L-tryptophan. (So I have read atleast.)



Tim





From willgee@earthlink.net Fri Jun 05 19:27:08 1998

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I've recently tried 5-HTP in a combo with valerian and B6. It's

dynamite! Works too well for me. I'm groggy the next day. Friends say

the valerian is the last straw. Not really needed..at least not by me.

5HTP by itself seems to work very pleasantly. willgee



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From: darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

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On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:27:08 +0000, glen black <willgee@earthlink.net>

wrote:



>I've recently tried 5-HTP in a combo with valerian and B6. It's

>dynamite! Works too well for me. I'm groggy the next day. Friends say

>the valerian is the last straw. Not really needed..at least not by me.

>5HTP by itself seems to work very pleasantly. willgee



Does anyone know if 5-HTP is dangerous?



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro





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From: Gordon Held <gheldX@thegrid.net>

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Subject: Re: 5-HTP

Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 07:47:31 -0700

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Darrin wrote:



> Does anyone know if 5-HTP is dangerous?

>

> Darrin's Vegas News and Links

> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro



 See the new book out by Michael Murray, ND, entitled  "5HTP------".



His answer is basically not under 500mg/day unless you have certain medical

conditions.



It works better than SJW for me, after a month of use.



Gordon Held



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From annawolf@msn.com Thu Jun 11 07:56:17 1998

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I seem to remember reading that bananas contain 5-HTP. Anyone know?

Anna Wolf



Timothy Timbrook wrote in message <47443.timothyt@bright.net>...

>On Fri, 05 Jun 1998 00:56:57 -0500,

>Forrest   <bcforrest@mindspring.com> wrote:

>

>>Am I mistaken? Isn't tryptophan the stuff in milk and turkey that makes

>>you sleepy?

>

>







From tmatth@netcom.ca Mon Jun 15 11:56:20 1998

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From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

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Subject: Re: 5-HTP

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Anna Wolf wrote:

> 

> I seem to remember reading that bananas contain 5-HTP. Anyone know?



Only in *green* bananas.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE - The ultimate source for new

health and medical findings from around the world.



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Fri Jun 05 16:29:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Subject: Re: Help People With 100% Natural Products & Make Money Too!!

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"Carl & Janie Adams" <adamsfam@socket.net> wrote:



>Enrich International

  Enrich the founders of the pyramid!  Enroll way at the bottom,

just under these fools, and you'll perhaps be lucky enough to

recoup your investment.



>a.. 100% All Natural Products

  Botulism toxin and snake venom are also 100% natural.



>    b.. Improve Your Health Naturally With Herbs

>    c.. Guaranteed 100% Customer Satisfaction Or Your Money Back

>    d.. There Are Herbs For Every Disease With Which A Human 

>        Can Become Afflicted

  Yeah, but damn few of them actually work.  Look at the death

stats from the previous centuries.  Which herb worked against

smallpox, bubomic plague, or even diptheria?  



>    e.. Herbs Are Food, They Feed And Regulate Organs And 

>        Glands And They Cleanse

   About the only thing that will be cleansed is your bank

account.



>    f.. There Are Products To Help Weight Management, And Other 

> Important Bodily Systems Such As:  The Immune System, 

> The Nervous System, The Skeletal System, The Endocrine System, 

>The Respiratory System, Circulatory System, And The Glandular System

  And especially the upline's Monetary System.



>    g.. There Are Many Other Special Care Products For Everyday Needs

>    h.. Possibility To Make Money With The Company As A Distributor

  But it's a hell of a lot more possible to lose money as a

distributor.

>    i.. What Do You Have To Loose?

  Why is it that EVERY DAMNED SPAMMER INSISTS ON SPELLING "LOSE"

AS "LOOSE"?  



>    j.. For More Information With Absolutely NO Obligations Please Reply To The Information Below

>    k.. Geographical Location Does Not Matter Any Location Is Great

>    Janie Adams

>Independent Distributor/Senior Manager

  OK - she's senior manager to who?  The cat?  NAH - cats don't

have managers.



>Fulton, Missouri

>Phone:  573-642-0393 or 573-642-3259

>Email:  Adamsfam@socket.net





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    Carl & Janie Adams wrote in message <35775a0f.0@news.socket.net>...

    Enrich International

    100% All Natural Products

        a.. Improve Your Health Naturally With Herbs

        b.. Guaranteed 100% Customer Satisfaction Or Your Money Back



Dear Carl & Janie



I signed up with Enrich a few years ago, hoping to get some good product, and

maybe make a couple of bucks to help pay for the product on the side. I soon

realized that Enrich was a very greedy company, nickel and diming the

distributors for everything they could get away with. I also realized that the

"make money" claims were over rated and misrepresented.



The products were WAY overpriced, even at the wholesale price. A friend had some

Enrich P&T tested at a lab, and found it was mostly rice flour, with just a

trace of active ingredient. I guess rice flour is also 100% natural, but pretty

expensive at fifty bucks a bottle.



Most Enrich distributors I've come across pass themselves off as heatlh experts,

offering cures for everything imaginable (even though the official line from

Enrich is not to do that). And none that I have met have are even remotely

qualified to offer such advice. Do you really have the knowledge and expertise

to back up your claims? What is your training?. How do you know the products

work, other than from the propaganda your upline feeds you?.



You can defend Enrich as much as you want, but's IMO it's a big scam. Hopefully

you'll get out of it before you loose too much money and all your friends.







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NatureRem wrote in message <1998061116252900.MAA27462@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I was reading was is written here, I am an herbalist working on my master's

>degree in herbology.

>Enrich has literally given me my life back.  I had Epstein Barr for 6 years

>which there is no cure for.  When I started on the Enrich herbs in 6 weeks time

>I no longer showed any signs of Epstein Barr.  From this I have built a large

>successline, from others who have had their bodies balanced back to health by

>the use of Enrich products.  My husband no longer gets bronchitis 2 times a

>year, and we have others who no longer have cancer, arthrititis, etc.

> I am sorry that maybe Enrich didn't work out well for you, and that you didn't

>give it enough time to make you a good income.  I have been with Enrich for 2

>years, and have a successline in 14 states, which mostly has been done by both

>word of mouth and computer.





I'ts good to hear that your use of herbs have improved your health, and that

your are pursuing an education in the use of herbs.



I'd suggest that it's not Enrich that "has given you your life back", it's your

use of herbs.



My point was that Enrich products are overpriced compared to other sources of

similar quality products. As far as giving Enrich enough time to make a good

income, the reason I quit was in disgust with the greed and ethics of the

company, as well as the whole MLM concept in general.



>Enrich products are 100% all natural, the herbs come from their native

>countries.  There is no rice in the products, or that would have to have been

>disclosed on the packaging.



An aquaintance, who also WAS an Enrich distributor, had a sample of P&T tested

at a university lab. She also had some private discussions with the Enrich head

honcho about her findings. This is not something I made up.



>If Enrich misrepresented anything they would be

>shut down and would have not been in business for 20 years.



One of the first things I read about Ken Brailsford (Enrich founder) in the

Enrich literature was that he claims to be the first to person to encapsulate

herbs. This is the first misrepresentation.



There are a lot of MLM companies out there making questionable statements about

their products. Who is shutting them down?



>Not to mention that Enrich along with the FDA set standards for herbs coming

into this

>country.



Another misleading statement. What standards? The FDA does not set standards

based on consulations with one MLM company.













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Subject: Re: stinging nettles - Natural antidote to nettle stings

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Great newsgroup.  I finally have a contribution...the antidote to nettle

stings is brachen fern.  They usually grow in the same area.  If you get a

nettle sting, get some brachen fern leaves, mash them in you hand to

release the juice and rub on the sting...or just mash them on the sting

area.  It works great for me and those I know that have tried it!



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jane hubbard <hubbardj@to-de.com> wrote in article

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> Just found a bunch of stinging nettles in my front yard.  Does anyone

know

> of any medicinal or herbal usage for these plants?

> TIA

> J

> 



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In the UK they're called Dock Leaves, club shaped rosettes of leaves

about six inches long that always grow near to the nettles. If you've

got kids you learn to spot them automatically. In an emergency (like one

of them falling into a patch) fold the leaves over in your hand and slit

the folded edge with your fingernail, and rub on to the effected area.





 In article <01bd90b1$89737be0$28bf7390@E682359.ds.boeing.com>, Mike

<michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com> writes

>Great newsgroup.  I finally have a contribution...the antidote to nettle

>stings is brachen fern.  They usually grow in the same area.  If you get a

>nettle sting, get some brachen fern leaves, mash them in you hand to

>release the juice and rub on the sting...or just mash them on the sting

>area.  It works great for me and those I know that have tried it!

>



Mart 



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Jewel Weed works great for nettle sting, I have rubbed nettle on my hand to

prove this fact! Jewel weed grows in Eastern North America; but I make jewel

weed soap and tincture if you need any. Jewel weed is great for poison oak

and ivy, too.



Karen Shelton

nature@edge.net

Martin Akehurst wrote in message ...

>In the UK they're called Dock Leaves, club shaped rosettes of leaves

>about six inches long that always grow near to the nettles. If you've

>

>>nettle sting, get some brachen fern leaves, mash them in you hand to

>>release the juice and rub on the sting...or just mash them on the sting

>>area.  It works great for me and those I know that have tried it!

>>

>

>Mart







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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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In article <6l97gv$7io$1@news3.alpha.net>, "Jean"

<vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> writes:

>Hmmm....what about tea trea oil...its good for all kinds of skin

>conditions...would it work good for shingles also???



Shingles is a viral infection that affects the nerves. The "shingles" are

caused by the irritation of the nerve ending just under the skin. Usually the

initial attack, which causes blistering of the skin, clears up in a few weeks.

In approximately 20% of the cases, patients develop a secondary condition known

as postherpetic neuralgia. The latter is extremely dangerous and requires

monitoring by qualified health professionals. Left untreated, it can cause

permanent injury to the internal organs.



The virus, varicella-zoster, is the same virus that causes chickenpox in

children. Somebody suffering an outbreak of shingles can infect other people

with chickenpox.



Balch&Balch's Prescription for Nutritional Healing has a good chapter on

shingles and various herbal/vitamin supplements used to alleviate some of its

affects. There isn't any sure-fire remedy yet. The most important thing seems

to be to keep the immune system healthy and try to avoid the shingles evolving

into postherpectic neuralgia. 



I've known some people to have good luck with treating this with traditional

Chinese medicine. The acupuncture helps the pain/itching and the herbal

remedies seem to work well for many patients. Try to find a practitioner with

some experience. Unfortunately, because shingles is another disease on the rise

due to compromised immune systems, many practitioners are seeing much more of

this than they used to.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Tyrosine is a non-essential amino acid. That means the body can make it from

it's store of nutrients. Tyrosine is easily made from phenylalanine and is

important to the general metabolism.



It is used to make adrenaline, thyroid hormones, norepinephrine and dopamine

which all stimulate the central nervous system. Tyrosine also may stimulate

growth hormones and act as a mild appetite suppressant.



For more information about tyrosine or other amino acids, visit our web site

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hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best for

impotancy. thanx bye for now



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PATNDEE wrote:

> 

> hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best for

> impotancy. thanx bye for now



Why, I think all herbs are impotant...oh sorry couldn't resist the

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Hi Patndee:



I have heard that damiana is a good one.



Athene



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>hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best

for

>impotancy. thanx bye for now







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Try Trichopus zealanicus



bala

http://www.kampoyaki.com



PATNDEE <patndee@aol.com> wrote in article

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> hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best

for

> impotancy. thanx bye for now

> 



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[while this may not help, it's an interesting tidbit]



I recently read about one herb which is actually illegal, for what

reason it didn't say. It sure didn't sound bad. It was called, Iboga, or

something very close. It apparently prolonged sexual drive for 12 hours

or more. 



On a legal note, eliminate the use of tobacco products, caffeine,

alcohol, and other vaso-constrictors. Bring in the circulation promoting

herbs.



-Val



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PATNDEE wrote:

> 

> hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best for

> impotancy. thanx bye for now



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>I recently read about one herb which is actually illegal, for what

>reason it didn't say. It sure didn't sound bad. It was called, Iboga, or

>something very close. It apparently prolonged sexual drive for 12 hours

>or more. 



Iboga(Ibogaine) is a hallucinogenic drug. It's probably alot of fun, but most

likely won't help with getting it up. 



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It's hallucinogenic? Wow. Didn't mention that in the book I found it

listed in. Didn't really say a whole lot about it. Actually, it did say

that it enhanced men & women sexually, for 12 hours or more. However,

i'm willing to bet the hallucinogenic part of it may diminish suchs

effects. ;) Where did you read this?



-Val



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> Iboga(Ibogaine) is a hallucinogenic drug. It's probably alot of fun, but most

> likely won't help with getting it up.



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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:17:06 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>[while this may not help, it's an interesting tidbit]

>

>I recently read about one herb which is actually illegal, for what

>reason it didn't say. It sure didn't sound bad. It was called, Iboga, or

>something very close. It apparently prolonged sexual drive for 12 hours

>or more. 

>

Yohimbe and Iboga have very similar chemical structures, both indole

akaloids. While both have the potential to be hallucinogenic, in very

high dosages. They are more of a stimulant. Iboga is most used while

hunting, the user may stay motionless for several hours.



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jwiest@postoffice.ptd.net-nospam (SNick) wrote:



>On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:17:06 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:

>>I recently read about one herb which is actually illegal, for what

>>reason it didn't say. It sure didn't sound bad. It was called, Iboga, or

>>something very close. It apparently prolonged sexual drive for 12 hours

>>or more. 

>Iboga is most used while

>hunting, the user may stay motionless for several hours.



  Doesn't sound like it's much good for an aphrodisiac!



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>From: jwiest@postoffice.ptd.net-nospam (SNick)

>Date: Sun, Jun 07, 1998 00:07 EDT

>Message-id: <3579f82a.2690258@news.ptd.net>



>On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 14:17:06 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>>[while this may not help, it's an interesting tidbit]

>

>>I recently read about one herb which is actually illegal, for what

>>reason it didn't say. It sure didn't sound bad. It was called, Iboga, or

>>something very close. It apparently prolonged sexual drive for 12 hours

>>or more. 



>Yohimbe and Iboga have very similar chemical structures, >both indole

>akaloids. While both have the potential to be >hallucinogenic, in very

>high dosages. They are more of a stimulant. Iboga is most >used while

>hunting, the user may stay motionless for several hours.



The priary citation relating to the use or iboga (Tabernanthe iboga) an

Ibogaine containint plant is probably fifty years old.  The statement relates

to the traditional uses of T. iboga in Gabon, Africa and has most likely not

been used for the purposes of hunting for at least twenty years except by

significant minorities as Gabon is oil, timber, uranium rich.  I believe Gabon

has the highest per capita income south of the Sahara except for South Africa.



Ibogaine, the primary alkaloid in T. iboga which is still used in traditional

African religion in Gabon, Cameroun and principally other West African

countries is used in rites of passage within the Bwiti religion and in more

technologically developed countries it has been proposed as an experimental

medication for the treatment of individual chemical dependencies as well as,

poly-drug dependence.  It does produce a stimulant effect which may depending

on the taker, have an aphrodisiac effect as do many other substances.  However,

I would say the correct environment and partner are important aspects of this

effect.



The most signicant web page giving Ibogaine information is

<http://www.ibogaine.org>



The page contains 3 papers on the traditional African use.  One by Fernandez,

one by Barabe and one by Goutarel et al.



There are also excellent lay and scientific reports on Ibogaine's use and

mechanisms of action in treating chemical dependence.



<http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl> (European mirror)



There is also an Ibogaine list:



Subject:  Ibogaine list



An Ibogaine list has been established.  The list

will involve itself in the discussion of all aspects of this experimental

anti-addictive and psychotherapeutic medication,  including the that of persons

treated,

pharmacology, the African experience in religion and medicine, neuroscience,

clinical reports, behavioral pharmacology, psychiatry, Ibogaine self-help

groups and

more.



To join the list see instructions below:



> >send email to listproc@calyx.net with the subject blank and >with the body

> >containing nothing but the following four words:

>

> >subscribe ibogaine <firstname> <lastname>





http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl





From gypsy@endor.com Sun Jun 07 00:44:44 1998

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From: "gypsy on endor" <gypsy@endor.com>

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In article <1998060522512500.SAA27062@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

patndee@aol.com (PATNDEE) wrote:



>hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best

for

>impotancy. thanx bye for now



well...gotta tell ya...yohimbe's original purpose wasn't for potency!

the africans used it to buoy up their whole body to gear them toward

committing rape, pillage, and mayhem on any neighbouring village.





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Also, try anything high in vitamin E

PATNDEE wrote in message

<1998060522512500.SAA27062@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>hi there can anyone tell me what the best herb other then yohimbe is best

for

>impotancy. thanx bye for now







From billbo1112@aol.com Sat Jun 06 03:09:02 1998

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I am looking for an herb-vinegar receipes that I can us to display in

decorative jars and glass containers (The kind you see sitting on shelves at

restaurants, etc.)



Any help would be greately appreciated

Regards,

Steve Woodard

billbo1112@aol.com



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You take some herbs and cover them with vinegar.  The best quality ingredients

will make the best quality finished product.  The variety and beauty are limited

only by your imagination.



Deb





Billbo1112 wrote:



> I am looking for an herb-vinegar receipes that I can us to display in

> decorative jars and glass containers (The kind you see sitting on shelves at

> restaurants, etc.)

>

> Any help would be greately appreciated

> Regards,

> Steve Woodard

> billbo1112@aol.com







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From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sat Jun 06 15:06:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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billbo1112@aol.com (Billbo1112) wrote:



>I am looking for an herb-vinegar receipes that I can us to display in

>decorative jars and glass containers (The kind you see sitting on shelves at

>restaurants, etc.)



Steve - 

  The basic recipe is this:

Take attractive sprig of herb or herbs.

Rinse thoroughly, shake dry.

Shove into a bottle.

Fill Bottle with vinegar (white vinegar or apple cider vinegar).

Cork or cap the bottle.

Sit it on the shelf.



  For longer-lasting decor, dip the ingredients into the highest

proof booze you can find (151 proof rum or "Everclear" ethanol)

for a few minutes to kill as many of the surface yeasts as

possible.



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Wed Jun 17 22:12:08 1998

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On 6 Jun 1998 05:06:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>billbo1112@aol.com (Billbo1112) wrote:

>>I am looking for an herb-vinegar receipes that I can us to display in

>>decorative jars and glass containers (The kind you see sitting on shelves at

>>restaurants, etc.)

>

>The basic recipe is this:

>Take attractive sprig of herb or herbs.

>Rinse thoroughly, shake dry.

>Shove into a bottle.

>Fill Bottle with vinegar (white vinegar or apple cider vinegar).

>Cork or cap the bottle.

>Sit it on the shelf.



That might work for basil, but for most herbs you only get a neutral-tasting

vinegar which is decorated with a twig of herb that way, NOT herb vinegar. Herb

vinegar is made like this: cut up a quart's (a liter) worth of fresh herb(s),

pour vinegar over, cap tightly, let stand for a couple of weeks. Strain, pour

into bottle, decorate with a twig of the herb(s) in question.



Susan says to try lavender vinegar made the plenty way, and use that to splash

into your face, or use as a rinse after shampoo or such. Sounds like fun!



Henriette



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Henriette Kress wrote in message <359b0ec3.11148786@news.theriver.com>...

>

>That [1 sprig] might work for basil, but for most herbs you only get a

neutral-tasting

>vinegar which is decorated with a twig of herb that way, NOT herb vinegar.

Herb

>vinegar is made like this: cut up a quart's (a liter) worth of fresh

herb(s),

>pour vinegar over, cap tightly, let stand for a couple of weeks. Strain,

pour

>into bottle, decorate with a twig of the herb(s) in question.





I'd say it depends on the herb and on what you call a sprig.  Some like

rosemary and sage definitely go a long way in a pint or so of vinegar, but

then the sprigs I'm cutting are like 8-10" long and really fat.  Using a

quart of fresh cut up rosemary or sage can give the vinegar a medicinal

taste IMHO.  Basil can certainly be used much more liberally, though...



-Rich









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Hello All



My wife and I are experimenting with growing some echinacea in a pot on our

balcony

here in downtown Vancouver. Can anyone give us some advise on growing tips

as well

as how to process the plant for tea or whatever, once it is ready for

harvesting.



Any help that you folks can offer would be most appreciated.



Thanks for your help.



Ron & Madelene







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In Vancouver you probably can't find too much sun for Echinacea, so give it

plenty!  Let it dry out between waterings [if possible].



There are medicinal constituants in the ariel parts of Echinacea.  Even though

we hear more about the roots, the leaves and flowers can be used in either tea

or tincture.



For tea chop and lightly mash the leaves and steep in boiled water.  The

strength depends on whether you are looking for a 'tea' beverage or a medicinal

decoction, which would be stronger.  Experiment until you find the proper

'dose' for you.



Before frost you can harvest the leaves and flowers.  Spread them to dry [I

usually cut the flowers in half] and you can have your tea all winter.



Hopefully, any day now, we will warm up and dry out and have a chance of a

summer.  ;>



Deb

[also from the pacific northWET]







The Searcher wrote:



> Hello All

>

> My wife and I are experimenting with growing some echinacea in a pot on our

> balcony

> here in downtown Vancouver. Can anyone give us some advise on growing tips

> as well

> as how to process the plant for tea or whatever, once it is ready for

> harvesting.

>

> Any help that you folks can offer would be most appreciated.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Ron & Madelene







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From bobby@neosoft.com Wed Jun 10 06:33:13 1998

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I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.



Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should



someone stay off before starting again.



Thanks



Please no e=mail, I post from a friends computer



Anne





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>I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

>Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

>someone stay off before starting again.



Most people recommend that you not use Echinacea/Goldenseal on a

regular basis.  Instead, use it when you are at risk - when you know

you've been exposed to someone with a disease, or when you first feel

the initial symptoms.  Then you can take it as long as needed (i.e. if

exposed, until you know you didn't catch the disease - say 72 hours.

If you catch the disease, until the disease is over, not to exceed 6

weeks.)  Then get off it.





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Harold Groot wrote in message <357e0ff1.5044586@news.sjm.infi.net>...

>>I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

>>Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

>>someone stay off before starting again.

>

>Most people recommend that you not use Echinacea/Goldenseal on a

>regular basis.  Instead, use it when you are at risk - when you know

>you've been exposed to someone with a disease, or when you first feel

>the initial symptoms.  Then you can take it as long as needed (i.e. if

>exposed, until you know you didn't catch the disease - say 72 hours.

>If you catch the disease, until the disease is over, not to exceed 6

>weeks.)  Then get off it.





Goldenseal can raise your blood pressure.  All of my sources recommend that

you use it no longer than 2 weeks at a time.



Scott Lee







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>I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

>

>Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

>

>someone stay off before starting again.



There's no need to take Echinacea on a daily basis unless you're taking it

because you have a damaged immune system.  For those whose immune systems are

in fine shape, take the Echinacea when you're running the risk of getting

sick...you've just been around someone with a cold...you're starting to feel

like you're coming down with something...you have an infection (not a big

serious infection mind you) and you're trying to help your immune

system....things like that.  Take it until you no longer feel ill then

discontinue use.



I've checked through all my herbal books and find no warnings for Echinacea. 

However, since it is often sold in combination with Goldenseal, I looked that

up as well.  Goldenseal should not be taken long term as it may adversely

effect the colon.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From bobby@neosoft.com Fri Jun 12 04:03:52 1998

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Anne wrote: 

> >I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

> >Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

> >someone stay off before starting again.



RedWitch04 wrote:

> There's no need to take Echinacea on a daily basis unless you're taking it

> because you have a damaged immune system.  For those whose immune systems are

> in fine shape, take the Echinacea when you're running the risk of getting

> sick...you've just been around someone with a cold...you're starting to feel

> like you're coming down with something...you have an infection (not a big

> serious infection mind you) and you're trying to help your immune

> system....things like that.  Take it until you no longer feel ill then

> discontinue use.



I started taking it several months ago because I have gum disease, and am

quite sure that I have infection running through my system.  I will not be

in a financial postion to have dental work done for some months to come.  So

I began taking the Echinacea (not with GoldenSeal) and using the best dental

hygene I could.  It seemed to be working, my teeth no longer ached and other

symptons seemed to have lessened.  But I read about it being toxic and I

quit taking it a few weeks ago......now I am having low grade fevers etc.



What are the symptons to the toxic reaction?  



RedWitch04 

> I've checked through all my herbal books and find no warnings for Echinacea.

> However, since it is often sold in combination with Goldenseal, I looked that

> up as well.  Goldenseal should not be taken long term as it may adversely

> effect the colon.



Glad to hear that, and glad that I did not take the Goldenseal.  I'm still not

sure what to do, but I thank everyone for the advise.



BTW, are there any combinations of herbs that should not be taken together?

I wanted to try a few but am worried about "mixing" them in my system.



Thanks again



Anne

> Beth

> The Truth is Out There





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Bobby Haynes wrote:

> 

> Anne wrote:

> > >I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

> > >Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

> > >someone stay off before starting again.

> 

We take it during the winter as a preventative against the colds my boys

are exposed to at school.  We take it for 5 days then stop for 2 days. 

As long as we have kept this up during the cold and flu season we have

had no illnesses.  We do not do it year round.  



> 

> I started taking it several months ago because I have gum disease, and am

> quite sure that I have infection running through my system.  I will not be

> in a financial postion to have dental work done for some months to come.  So

> I began taking the Echinacea (not with GoldenSeal) and using the best dental

> hygene I could.  It seemed to be working, my teeth no longer ached and other

> symptons seemed to have lessened.  





We have discovered Oil of Oregano for our teeth.  My husband has

inherited bad teeth.  He has been trying to get rid of gum disease for

about a year now.  My herbalist recommended using Oil of Oregano on our

gums.  It works great.  I did look for it at the health food store and

was unable to locate it.   I am  planning on growing the medicinal

oregano so we can use the fresh plant.  



J9



home. not world. to reply



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>I started taking it several months ago because I have gum disease, and am

>quite sure that I have infection running through my system.  I will not be

>in a financial postion to have dental work done for some months to come.  



I recently treated a tooth infection with echinacea, garlic and vitamin A.  It

took a little longer to clear up than if I had been able to go and get Keflex

but it did go away.  Thankfully.





>But I read about it being toxic and I

>quit taking it a few weeks ago......now I am having low grade fevers etc.

>

>What are the symptons to the toxic reaction?  



As I said in my original post, I can find no warnings for echinacea.  Nothing

that would indicate that it is toxic, the Goldenseal can have adverse effects

if taken for a long period of time.  The low grade fever you're currently

running  is probably indicative of the  infection that is still in your body.





>BTW, are there any combinations of herbs that should not be taken together?

>I wanted to try a few but am worried about "mixing" them in my system.



In this case it's  not the echinacea and goldenseal should not be taken

together, it's simply that one (goldenseal) should not be taken for an extended

period of time.



There are a lot of great books out there that will help you discover which

herbs "go together"...most do fine with each other. There are many that help

boost the effectiveness of another herb.  Try poking around over at

www.amazon.com for herbal books.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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>I have a bottle of Echinacea tablets here right now.  It states clearly on

the label that one should not take them for more than 7 days consecutively.

Another brand a friend takes states that 2 months is the maximum time, after

which you need to stop for awhile.  I've heard this elsewhere, read it,

etc., so to me, clearly there are warnings about echinacea.





>>>>>>>>>>>>>

RedWitch04 wrote in message

<1998061217394600.NAA11811@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>I started taking it several months ago because I have gum disease, and am

>>quite sure that I have infection running through my system.  I will not be

>>in a financial postion to have dental work done for some months to come.

>

>I recently treated a tooth infection with echinacea, garlic and vitamin A.

It

>took a little longer to clear up than if I had been able to go and get

Keflex

>but it did go away.  Thankfully.

>

>

>>But I read about it being toxic and I

>>quit taking it a few weeks ago......now I am having low grade fevers etc.

>>

>>What are the symptons to the toxic reaction?

>

>As I said in my original post, I can find no warnings for echinacea.

Nothing

>that would indicate that it is toxic, the Goldenseal can have adverse

effects

>if taken for a long period of time.  The low grade fever you're currently

>running  is probably indicative of the  infection that is still in your

body.

>

>

>>BTW, are there any combinations of herbs that should not be taken

together?

>>I wanted to try a few but am worried about "mixing" them in my system.

>

>In this case it's  not the echinacea and goldenseal should not be taken

>together, it's simply that one (goldenseal) should not be taken for an

extended

>period of time.

>

>There are a lot of great books out there that will help you discover which

>herbs "go together"...most do fine with each other. There are many that

help

>boost the effectiveness of another herb.  Try poking around over at

>www.amazon.com for herbal books.

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There







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On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:33:13 -0500, Bobby Haynes <bobby@neosoft.com> wrote:

> I thought I read somewhere that Echinacea if taken too long is toxic.

> 

> Is this true?  If so how long should one take it......and how long should

> 

> someone stay off before starting again.

> 

> Thanks

> 

> Please no e=mail, I post from a friends computer

> 

> Anne

> 



Echinacea is not toxic if taken too long, however, it is an 

immune system booster. If you take it too long your body 

will become accustomed to having it and will adjust and the 

echinacea will no longer be effective.



Then if you quit taking it your body's immune system will be in 

"low gear" and it will take several weeks before it starts to 

protect you normally.



The rule is : Never take Echinacea for longer than two weeks.



Generally you should only take Echinacea if you feel an illness 

coming on, and only until you feel better.



We have a little bit of information on Echinacea on our website

at http://www.ginseng.ca/ec_01000.htm







Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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From davew@wizzards.net Wed Jun 10 23:24:46 1998

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I have been taking Echinacea for about a week now and have developed a nasty 

allergic reaction.



Sore throat, coughing, sore ears, etc.



I read on a bottle of Echinacea not to take if you are allergic to flowers in the daisy 

family (composite). Could I be reacting to the Echinacea? I am very sensitive to side 

effects of various meds.



marcia





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From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

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williams wrote:

> 

> I have been taking Echinacea for about a week now and have developed 

> a nasty allergic reaction.

> 

> Sore throat, coughing, sore ears, etc.

> 

> I read on a bottle of Echinacea not to take if you are allergic to 

> flowers in the daisy family (composite). Could I be reacting to the 

> Echinacea? I am very sensitive to side effects of various meds.



Are you allergic to 'ragweed'?  Prior to your post I was not aware 

of a correlation between Echinacea and ragweed.  OTOH, there is a 

clear and package-label-warning correlation between ragweed allergies

and sensitivity to pyrethrins [chrysanthemum] and the [synthetic]

pyrethroids.  Ergo, if you have a known allergy, especially to 

ragweed,  I would say to err on the side of caution....



-Kyra



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Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> williams wrote:

> >

> > I have been taking Echinacea for about a week now and have developed

> > a nasty allergic reaction.

> >

> > Sore throat, coughing, sore ears, etc.

> >

> > I read on a bottle of Echinacea not to take if you are allergic to

> > flowers in the daisy family (composite). Could I be reacting to the

> > Echinacea? I am very sensitive to side effects of various meds.

> 

> Are you allergic to 'ragweed'?  Prior to your post I was not aware

> of a correlation between Echinacea and ragweed.  OTOH, there is a

> clear and package-label-warning correlation between ragweed allergies

> and sensitivity to pyrethrins [chrysanthemum] and the [synthetic]

> pyrethroids.  Ergo, if you have a known allergy, especially to

> ragweed,  I would say to err on the side of caution....

> 

> -Kyra





I am allergic to ragweed and most other air-borne pollens and yet

echinacea doesn't bother me.



Fidget



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davew@wizzards.net (williams) wrote:



>I have been taking Echinacea for about a week now and have developed a nasty 

>allergic reaction. Sore throat, coughing, sore ears, etc.

  What were you taking it for?  If it was for a cold, it's not

working and yuo seem to have gone into bronchitis.



>I read on a bottle of Echinacea not to take if you are allergic to flowers in the daisy 

>family (composite).

Echinacea is in that family.  Those with allergies should take it

cautiously ... just because it's "natural" doesn't mean it can't

cause reactions.





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I have had severe eczema and some incidences of hives and rashes since I was

a very small child. However, I have really been struggling with this for

about a year now. I have been to three dermatologists, all of whom have

tested for both fungus and bacteria (both negative), and can find no other

reason other than stress (which one doctor told me was ludicrous).  The

solution was to give me very strong cortisone creams, but I dont like to use

these for extended periods of time.



To complicate matters, I have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism, and am being

treated (quite successfully) with synthroid.  Taking the strong cortisone

creams interferes with my bloodwork.  Just prior to Dec. 97 - I went to the

health food store, and bought some lavendar oil, jojoba oil, and some hylands

homeopathic medication for treating hives and rashes.  It worked miraculously

well; all was clear in about five days, with little or no recurrance!



About four weeks ago, my scalp broke out with either severe eczema or hives

(not sure which), as well as under my breasts.	I have tried the same herbs,

and the homeopathy, which seemed to take the edge off, but after two weeks,

the rash seems to be coming back stronger.  Any suggestions would be helpful!



Please write to tygger@stsi.net. Thank you.



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In article <6lag33$1di$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, tygger@stsi.net writes

>I have had severe eczema and stronger.  Any suggestions would be helpful!

>

>snip<

>

>Please write to tygger@stsi.net. Thank you.

>

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Had the same problem around my nose. Wasn't bacteria, etc.. according to

the GP, tried large doses of antibiotics, etc.. still no joy. On advice

from a friend, went for total cleanliness - separate towels for the

shower (one for infected area one for upper body, one for lower),

(trying to) repress a stress impulse to scratch/rub my nose. Nothing

happened for about 4 weeks then it suddenly cleared up, along with a

number of other spots on my body which seemed minor and unrelated. 



Have found since that there are a number of things that trigger it -

rich food, and/or strong sun are the worse culprits. Once it happens the

body seems to get overloaded and spots/lumps break out at a hell of a

rate, if it gets below a certain level then the body can fight it

successfully and whats more is immune to it up to a certain point. Its

like having two levels of immunity with the body switching between the

two.  

Mart 



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sometimes, skin rashes are food allergies--wheat, meat (the hormones used in

the feed/animal), and dairy products.  Keep a food log and see what happens. 

Try eating fresh, raw, organic veggies and see what happens in a week or so



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tygger@stsi.net wrote in message <6lag33$1di$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I have had severe eczema and some incidences of hives and rashes since I

was

>a very small child.

have you heard the latest?  The inside of the banana skin is giving relief

to such

conditions,perhaps

  The Banana Cure

Banana peels are usually thought of as something to watch out for. But new

research shows they might actually have medical benefits. IMX

Pharmaceuticals recently began to sell a new skin medication, called Exorex,

that relies on chemicals derived from banana peels and one percent coal tar.

Exorex relieves symptoms of the common skin diseases psoriasis and eczema.

Psoriasis is a chronic (or persistent) condition, characterized by either

patches of dry, elevated areas of silvery scales--known as plaques--or

severely reddened skin. Eczema is also a lingering condition, but it is an

allergic skin disorder, which causes itchiness and small oozing blisters.



Three fatty acids, which are precursors to fats, derived from the banana

peels are the key to Exorex: ethyl oleate, ethyl linoleate, and ethyl

linolenate. "These fatty acids have a soothing effect [on skin]," says Dr.

David A. Gross, head of the medical advisory committee that created the

treatment. In addition, says Dr. Gross, the chemical makeup of the fatty

acids seems to help pull the coal tar in the Exorex across the skin,

allowing the medication to penetrate deeply. Other medications that use coal

tar but not fatty acids tend to stay on the surface of the skin when

applied, he says.



Exorex is available in several forms, from stabilizing cream to shampoo.

Most national drugstores carry Exorex, which ranges in price from $35 to

$100 depending on product and size.



-- Becky Orfinger









IMX Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

2295 Corporate Boulevard

Boca Raton, FL 33431

http://www.imx.com













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Heard about Exorex on the Psoriasis newsgroups and that it's mainly coal

tar...why don't you try a good steady dose of B complex vitamins?  They're

great for stress!!!



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robbie <ssolo@uninets.net> wrote:

> 

> have you heard the latest?  The inside of the banana skin is giving relief

> to such

> conditions,perhaps

>   The Banana Cure

> 

> Exorex is available in several forms, from stabilizing cream to shampoo.

> Most national drugstores carry Exorex, which ranges in price from $35 to

> $100 depending on product and size.

> 

> -- Becky Orfinger

> 

> IMX Pharmaceuticals, Inc.

> 2295 Corporate Boulevard

> Boca Raton, FL 33431

> http://www.imx.com





Don't believe the hype. The banana thing is just a gimmick. There are no

bananas used in the manufacture of their goop. This is coal tar in organic

solvents. Not simple fatty acids, but esters. This company has been

extremely abusive of the support groups, and is considered by many to be

under a continuing boycott in the psoriasis group for their relentless

shills. If it doesn't work, you won't get your money back. 



See the Psoriasis Hall of Pshame at http://www.pinch.com/skin/pshame.html



-- Ed "boycott exorex" Anderson



From chayward@etsc.net Sat Jun 06 19:30:29 1998

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Got a bunch of wild herbs growing out here in rural New Mexico,

pretending they are weeds. Seeking info on what they are and if anybody

wants to buy some. Talking acres here, and really clean

enviorenmentally; no chemicals in the ground or air for many miles. What

do you need?

 Claude



From coffee6796@aol.com Sat Jun 06 23:02:53 1998

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I'd like some info please. What does it do? Send to coffee6796@aol.com.



From mani5@aol.com Sat Jun 06 23:17:16 1998

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I wouldn't recommend checking this site or any others that market Viagra

alternatives out. Believe me I've looked for alternatives, and while the amino

acid L-Arginine is the closest alternative to Viagra, there really is no

natural/alternative substance that competes with it. The morons who try and

sell this natural Viagra crap are instilling false hope in people who are

desparately searching for a solution to their problem. Don't buy into it.





>Check out 

>

>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=16497465

>

>or

>

>http://www.

>

>freeyellow.com/members4/humanperformancecentre/Viagra_Alternative_Yohimbe.html







From cnsjjc@aol.com Sun Jun 07 19:16:05 1998

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>amino >acid L-Arginine is the closest alternative to Viagra, there really is

no >natural/alternative substance that competes with it. 



Since the active chemical in Viagra is sildenafil, why wouldn't any plant or

herb containing sildenafil be effective?  Are there any plants or herbs which

contain sildenafil?



X-no-archive: yes



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>Since the active chemical in Viagra is sildenafil, why wouldn't any plant or

>herb containing sildenafil be effective?  Are there any plants or herbs which

>contain sildenafil?



not to my knowlege. 



From SSBR@prodigy.net Sat Jun 06 23:29:05 1998

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We were just wondering if there is an interaction between st. Johns wort and

ritalin





Please reply







From Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com Sun Jun 07 21:06:18 1998

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Here's what I found. SJW has the possibility of being what is called an

MAOI -- MonoAmine Oxidase Inhibitor. Basically that means tranquilizer

-- very very mild. The evidence of this is, however, inconclusive...

that is.. it MIGHT be partly MAOI, and it might NOT be....



Anyway, when taking ritalin with an MAOI, it is possible to precipitate

a hypertensive crisis. Really high blood pressure that you wind up in

the hospital for. So, it looks like it could be dangerous to take these

two together, at least for now. If it turns out that SJW is NOT an MAOI,

then it will be ok, but I would not chance it.



ROBERT J ROSS wrote:

> 

> We were just wondering if there is an interaction between st. Johns wort and

> ritalin

> 

> Please reply



From yesirree@aol.com Sat Jun 06 23:56:43 1998

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Hi, I am growing gotu kola and want to eat the raw leaves for their medicinal

and health properties. How many leaves would equal one natures resource

capsule? How many leaves of medium size could I eat safely? Thank you

Catherine

ps  If anyone has this information would you please email me a copy of your

reply

"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

being having a spiritual experience."



From gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu Sun Jun 07 00:36:44 1998

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From: Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

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Is sweet cicely (sp), queen of the meadow and meadow sweet the same

herb? If so, does anyone know if it will grow in northern Texas and

where can I find some seeds? Also, where can I obtain seeds for

sweet woodruff? thanks

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

*Be wiser than other people if you can;

*but do not tell them so.

* --Lord Chesterfield---

===========================================











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On Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:36:44 -0500, Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Is sweet cicely (sp), queen of the meadow and meadow sweet the same

>herb? If so, does anyone know if it will grow in northern Texas and

>where can I find some seeds? Also, where can I obtain seeds for

>sweet woodruff? thanks



Sweet cicely is Myrrhis odorata in Europe; in the US it's usually one or the

other of the Ozmorrhiza species. 

Meadowsweet is Filipendula ulmaria.

There are scores of plants called Queen of the meadow, one of them is

Filipendula ulmaria... you're far better off with latin names here.



Depends on where you are in Texas. I found Ozmorrhiza growing in the Sacramento

mountains of New Mexico (at about 8000 feet), so if you've found a mountain in

Texas go for it ;)



There are several places to go for seeds; Richters usually has what you're

looking for, but they might not have seeds that will make it in the south. You

could ask your local botanical gardens for seeds - if they have it it'll make it

where you're at.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From gardendev2@aol.com Sun Jun 07 02:16:58 1998

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My favorite aunt who lives in Fontainebleau (France) has asked me to help her

find a local source of dried nettle leaf or fresh leaf extract.  Her health

food store/pharmacy doesn't have and can't get it.  She also needs a source for

borage or flax seed oil.



Many thanks if you can help!  I'll send her the info.



Eugenia in CA



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You might try something simple like picking a plantain leaf, chewing it and

putting it on the bites.



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aloe vera plant is excellent.

LEvans1044 wrote in message

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>You might try something simple like picking a plantain leaf, chewing it and

>putting it on the bites.







From annawolf@msn.com Sun Jun 07 07:24:44 1998

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Does anyone know a source for information on apple cider vinegar as

beneficial to joint health? I've heard of this before, some 40 years

ago--that wrestlers use it to make their joints more pliable...???  But I'm

looking for more than heresay on the subject. Thanks!

Anna Wolf







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Try looking for a book entitled folk medicine, can't remember the title.

It's from Vermont.  Talks about taking vinger daily (with honey and hot

water I think).







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ma pickle wrote:



> Try looking for a book entitled folk medicine, can't remember the

> title.

> It's from Vermont.  Talks about taking vinger daily (with honey and

> hot

> water I think).



  D.C. Jarvis, "Vermont Folk Medicine." The classic honey&vinegar book,

and one of the works that launched interest in alternative medicine in

the U.S. Required reading for anyone into herbs and diet.



--

----

Stephen W. Anderson, Rocky Mount, North Carolina



   (To mail, change left side of header address from "aws" to "swa")







From jmh@n2.net Sun Jun 07 07:40:52 1998

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could someone please email me and tell me where to buy the freshest and better 

quality green tea.  I live in san diego california and its hard to find good 

bulk green tea.  please email me.  thanks very much in advance.





From contorer_ms@email.msn.com Sun Jun 07 09:27:43 1998

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You could order by mail. Several companies are listed in

http://www.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Beverages/Tea/Green_Tea/



I have found that health-food cooperatives sometimes have good bulk green

tea, as do (of course) many Asian-style groceries.









jmh wrote in message <6ld5kk$66v$1@supernews.com>...

>could someone please email me and tell me where to buy the freshest and

better

>quality green tea.  I live in san diego california and its hard to find

good

>bulk green tea.  please email me.  thanks very much in advance.

>







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You could order by mail. Several companies are listed in

http://www.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Beverages/Tea/Green_Tea/



I have found that health-food cooperatives sometimes have good bulk green

tea, as do (of course) many Asian-style groceries.









jmh wrote in message <6ld5kk$66v$1@supernews.com>...

>could someone please email me and tell me where to buy the freshest and

better

>quality green tea.  I live in san diego california and its hard to find

good

>bulk green tea.  please email me.  thanks very much in advance.

>







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From: Martin Akehurst <spam.martin@nospam.akeh.demon.co.uk>

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I'd have a look around china town in San Fran. When I'm in the US I

always stock up, you can tell the freshness by the smell. 



In article <6ld5kk$66v$1@supernews.com>, jmh <jmh@n2.net> writes

>could someone please email me and tell me where to buy the freshest and better 

>quality green tea.  I live in san diego california and its hard to find good 

>bulk green tea.  please email me.  thanks very much in advance.

>



Mart 



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Sun Jun 07 10:31:36 1998

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From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

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Subject: Re: Valerian

Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 07:31:36 GMT

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>I have. =) Make sure when you're harvesting herbs (especially in the

>wild) that you make 100% sure you are getting what you're looking for.

>Many plants can look alike. An example is skullcap. There are a few

>which are grown in rock gardens, but not used medicinally. Be sure the

>valerian you're harvesting is:

>

>Valeriana officinalis



You can use most any of the Valeriana species, and even some that aren't

Valeriana anymore - eg. Centranthus ruber, red valerian. 



Usually you use the root. If you dig Valeriana edulis you'll get a whopper of a

root, -much- bigger than the average gobo root. If you dig Valeriana arizonica

you'll get something not much larger than your little finger, with a beard - but

boy, that stuff is strong. If you dig Valeriana officinalis (or sambucifolia)

you get something very like a mop of small rootlets.



If you tincture your valerian fresh you'll have by far less side effects than if

you use the dried plant - it seems dry plant has stronger stimulating effects on

the gut, lungs and heart than fresh plant.

Also, the longer you dry the root the stronger the smell - up to a point, of

course.



You can tincture the fresh herb when you tincture the fresh root, especially if

you use Valeriana officinalis. I haven't tried the foliage of V.edulis; nor have

I tried the -root- of Centranthus ruber, just picking enough flowering stalks

for a quart or two of fresh plant tincture - and yep, it's got the juice.



Happy to help,

Henriette



--

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Interesting, I have never in 30+ years of studying herbs run into any

reference to Centranthus ruber having any medicinal qualities, much less

those of the official Valerian (V. officinalis).



-Rich



Henriette Kress wrote in message <358c41c5.13519074@news.theriver.com>...

>You can use most any of the Valeriana species, and even some that aren't

>Valeriana anymore - eg. Centranthus ruber, red valerian.

>

>You can tincture the fresh herb when you tincture the fresh root,

especially if

>you use Valeriana officinalis. I haven't tried the foliage of V.edulis; nor

have

>I tried the -root- of Centranthus ruber, just picking enough flowering

stalks

>for a quart or two of fresh plant tincture - and yep, it's got the juice.

>

>Happy to help,

>Henriette









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Subject: St. Johns Wort and alcohol

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Someone told me that you should not drink beer or wine while taking St. Johns

Wort.  A friend is taking SJW for depression but likes to drink beer during

the weekly card game.  I've searched through the mountains of info I can find

and can't find anything definite.  Maybe I'm not doing the search right

because I'm fairly new at this internet stuff.	Does anyone know whether SJW

and beer will cause a reaction?  Thank you.  Terri



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I'm not sure about St. John's Wort and alcohol, but most anti-depressant

medication shouldn't be taken in conjunction with alcohol, i.e., Zoloft,

Paxil, Prozac, etc. So it may be related.



-Val



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Terri@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> Someone told me that you should not drink beer or wine while taking St. Johns

> Wort.  A friend is taking SJW for depression but likes to drink beer during

> the weekly card game.  I've searched through the mountains of info I can find

> and can't find anything definite.  Maybe I'm not doing the search right

> because I'm fairly new at this internet stuff.  Does anyone know whether SJW

> and beer will cause a reaction?  Thank you.  Terri

> 

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It is never a good idea to mix alcohol with medications unless it is

PART of the medication (tincture). As SJW tincture is good for

depression, it is unlikely that there would be any ill effects; however,

the tincture is always diluted to a VERY WEAK alcohol content before

taking it. I would still recommend against it.



Valerian wrote:

> 

> I'm not sure about St. John's Wort and alcohol, but most anti-depressant

> medication shouldn't be taken in conjunction with alcohol, i.e., Zoloft,

> Paxil, Prozac, etc. So it may be related.

> 

> -Val

> 

> -==

> NO SPAM

> -==

> 

> Terri@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> >

> > Someone told me that you should not drink beer or wine while taking St. Johns

> > Wort.  A friend is taking SJW for depression but likes to drink beer during

> > the weekly card game.  I've searched through the mountains of info I can find

> > and can't find anything definite.  Maybe I'm not doing the search right

> > because I'm fairly new at this internet stuff.  Does anyone know whether SJW

> > and beer will cause a reaction?  Thank you.  Terri

> >

> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:15:33 GMT, 

Terri@my-dejanews.com  <Terri@my-dejanews.com> wrote:



>... Does anyone know whether SJW and beer will cause a reaction? 



Wouldn't surprise me if there is. I'd bet it's the MAOI effect of

SJW. Making an intelligent guess, probablly siginificantly increases

your chances of a stroke from run away high blood pressure.



So, if you're taking SJW, I'd seriously suggest stop drinking 

completely. *Atleast* cut waaaaaaaaaay back.



Just an intelligent guess,

Tim





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These might help:



http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hypericum.shtml#Action/Effects

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5942/geninfo.htm

http://www.hypericum.com



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Terri@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>Someone told me that you should not drink beer or wine while taking St. Johns

>Wort.  A friend is taking SJW for depression but likes to drink beer during

>the weekly card game.



  Alcohol in combination with other medications can cause some

really dangerous side effects: either increasing or decreasing

the potency of both substances.

  BTW  - alcohol is a depressent.  How much beer does the friend

drink during the game?



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From: Martin Akehurst <spam.martin@nospam.akeh.demon.co.uk>

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You also need to watch some of the more obscure anti-biotics with

alchohol. I took one a few years ago and the effect after 1/2 pint of

beer was like switching the light out - no warning, one minute you're

fully concious, next minute you're waking up a couple of hours later.

The implications for driving or event walking along the pavement make

the hair rise on your neck!



In article <357ad72b.22245613@news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

<abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

>Terri@my-dejanews.com wrote:

>

>>Someone told me that you should not drink beer or wine while taking St. Johns

>>Wort.  A friend is taking SJW for depression but likes to drink beer during

>>the weekly card game.

>

>  Alcohol in combination with other medications can cause some

>really dangerous side effects: either increasing or decreasing

>the potency of both substances.

>  BTW  - alcohol is a depressent.  How much beer does the friend

>drink during the game?



Mart 



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On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:58:54 -0500, 

Jedi  <Jedi__Master@a.galaxy.far.far.away.com > wrote:



>I have a question about THC.  Do they know why the plant produces this chemical?

>Does it deter insect predators?  or does it help the plant survive in a

>hot climate?



Good question, but I doubt anyone can say for real. It would be 

all guesswork/conjecture why plants produce all sorts of chemical 

combinations. Not being religious, but I'm sure someone will say

this... Taking the religious angle, God made plants that way for

man's use(/abuse?).





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What would be the best herbal diuretic?



Thanks.



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On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:53:00 -0500, burro@panama.gulf.net wrote:



>What would be the best herbal diuretic?

>

Not herbal, but one of the most effective diuretics

is cider vinegar.  Those who dislike drinking it

can take it in tablet form - available at most health

food stores.



K





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Do you know if apple cider vinegar, taken internally, is good for joints?

Anna



kfloritto@kermode.net wrote in message

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>On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:53:00 -0500, burro@panama.gulf.net wrote:

>

>>What would be the best herbal diuretic?

>>

>Not herbal, but one of the most effective diuretics

>is cider vinegar.  Those who dislike drinking it

>can take it in tablet form - available at most health

>food stores.

>

>K

>







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burro@panama.gulf.net wrote in message <357AD37C.274A@panama.gulf.net>...

>What would be the best herbal diuretic?

>

>Thanks.

Eat heeps of fresh Parsley it works very well

Lynne







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Try herbal tea or regular iced tea - works for me!



Lynne Braid wrote:



> burro@panama.gulf.net wrote in message <357AD37C.274A@panama.gulf.net>...

> >What would be the best herbal diuretic?

> >

> >Thanks.

> Eat heeps of fresh Parsley it works very well

> Lynne









From brandrew@aol.com Wed Jun 10 00:47:30 1998

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I just got in on this thread, so I don't know if anyone's suggested them yet,

but both cabbage and celery are also natural diuretics.



Bear

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Great oaks from little acorns grow.

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burro@panama.gulf.net wrote:

> 

> What would be the best herbal diuretic?

>  



I have used watermelon and I have also used corn silk.  Both worked

within minutes for me.



j9



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Also, lying down, completely horizontal, makes the kidneys work better.

Anna



WL Sakowski wrote in message ...

> b> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 12:53:00 -0500

> b> Subject: Natural diuretic

> b> From: burro@panama.gulf.net

>

> b> What would be the best herbal diuretic?









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I heard somewhere this weekend that fructose, fruit sugar, can be

absorbed by the body without raising insulin levels. Is this true, and

where can I find more information about this? Thanks!



Bryan



From cat@luckymojo.com Mon Jun 08 01:34:54 1998

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catherine yronwode wrote:

> 

> Judy wrote:

> >

> > I've seen this plant mentioned in a number of books on Hoodoo, used 

> > in various charms for employment, etc. What I'm wondering is, what 

> > species is this plant. What does it look like, and so forth. 



> the "strings" are not string-like at all, rather they are long and

> flexible, sort of like rattan, only they are roots, not canes. The big

> ones are smooth and thicker than pencils; the little ones are wiry and

> thin, like St. John's wort roots. In old oral histories of hoodoo, 

> some folks call them "twigs," because they somewhat resemble sucker 

> growth on a fruit tree...only without the leaf-buds. Most spells call 

> for 9 pieces, so one tries to get 9 that sort of match, and then use 

> them for...well, protection, mostly, and good luck. I put them in 

> several of my formulas, such as Law Keep Away, which is traditional, 

> and i sell them in 9-packs for use to stick in the ground to keep evil 

> people off your path or to tie around your ankle to protect you from 

> being crossed or goofered.



The taxonomic name is Viburnum alnifolium (alder-leafed viburnum) -- or

you can use Viburnum opulus (cramp-bark) or Viburnum ...uh...uh...the

other one ... black haw ... prunifolium, that's it; Viburnum

prunifolium. The roots are use medically as an anti-spasmodic,

especially to ease menstrual cramps. All three species are more or less

interchangeable medically and magically, as far as i know, but if you

order cramp-bark from a medicial herb company, you'll probably get

cut-and-sifted chunklets of root bark, and for hoodoo you want the whole

long roots, so you will probably have to order Devil's Show Strings from

an occult supply company. 



Here's a popular recipe that uses Devil's Shoe Strings magically for

good luck: 



Get nine Devil's Shoe Strings roots and wrap them 9 times around with

white thread and each time you wrap the thread around, tie a knot, so

you end up with nine knots. Put them in a tall narrow medicine bottle

and fill it with whiskey or Hoyt's Cologne. Leave the bottle to sit for

nine days, and after that when you go to gamble, apply for a job, or do

anything that requires luck, dip your fingers in the liquid and run them

through your hair nine times, like you would with hair oil. You can also

use this liquid to dress a mojo hand. Keep the Devil's Shoe Strings in

the bottle topped up with whiskey or Hoyt's Cologne and use the liquid

as a dressing any time you want more luck. 



catherine yronwode



Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html



From inkslinger@writeme.com Mon Jun 08 02:11:11 1998

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    Can anyone here tell me if it's possible for Kava Kava to be the cause

of the skin peeling off of one's hands?  I started taking it Friday and by

that evening the peeling started.  I didn't associate the two until today

because I noticed that the skin is still peeling and the Kava Kava is the

only change in my diet and I haven't been working with any soaps or

chemicals.



    Rhia







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Never heard of that, but stop taking it and see if it clears up. In the

mean time, get thee to a dermatologist.



Rhia R. Drouillard wrote:

> 

>     Can anyone here tell me if it's possible for Kava Kava to be the cause

> of the skin peeling off of one's hands?  I started taking it Friday and by

> that evening the peeling started.  I didn't associate the two until today

> because I noticed that the skin is still peeling and the Kava Kava is the

> only change in my diet and I haven't been working with any soaps or

> chemicals.

> 

>     Rhia



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Rhia R. Drouillard wrote in message <6lf76k$3tj$1@news.us.world.net>...

>    Can anyone here tell me if it's possible for Kava Kava to be the cause

>of the skin peeling off of one's hands?  I started taking it Friday and by

>that evening the peeling started.  I didn't associate the two until today

>because I noticed that the skin is still peeling and the Kava Kava is the

>only change in my diet and I haven't been working with any soaps or

>chemicals.

>

>    Rhia

>>>>

>Just started taking kava myself, after reasonably exhaustive reading on it.

Punching 'Kava Kava' into a web search will yield more info than you

probably have time for.  I read 40 -50 articles, and scanned many more than

that, before taking the plunge.



My search turned up skin problems as a definite thing to look out for,

albeit in what were termed very high doses.  Sounds like you either:

a) are taking too much per the rough guidelines I found for dosage, or

b) are very sensitive to Kava.  ( Hopefully not both !! ).  Good luck, hope

this helps







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My research found skin peeling on palms was PRECISELY the symptom of overdose. 

What preparation of Kava Kava are u using?  Might be good to get the word out

on that!



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DJSampson wrote:

> 

> My research found skin peeling on palms was PRECISELY the symptom of overdose.

> What preparation of Kava Kava are u using?  Might be good to get the word out

> on that!





Hmmm  I suffer from dry, cracked, peeling skin when I use a lot of Dawn

dishwashing liquid, sometimes those anti-bacterial cleaners like Lysol

will do it.  You think I'm overdosing on keeping a clean house?



Just kidding... Couldn't resist!



If that is a side effect of OD'ing from Kava, I'd like to know how much

she's taking too.  I've never taken more than 2 capsules a day, usually

in the a.m. and I haven't had that problem.



Fidget



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While I haven't heard about skin peeling as a result of overuse w/ Kava,

i've heard of the yellowing of the skin. Perhaps this peeling is another

related reaction to certain people who are susceptible (sp) to such a

reaction from using Kava.



-Val



====-*

NO SPAM!





DJSampson wrote:

> 

> My research found skin peeling on palms was PRECISELY the symptom of overdose.

> What preparation of Kava Kava are u using?  Might be good to get the word out

> on that!



From dharamdev@email.msn.com Fri Jun 12 20:51:31 1998

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Quoted from Herbalgram magazine #39, page 52:

    " Although the effect of chronic drinking of traditionally prepared kava

beverages (as distinct from water-alcohol extracts) on the skin has been

mentioned in many reports [footnotes in original], there have been only two

reported attempts, those of Frater and Ruze, to understand the

pharmacological basis for it and to search for a cure. [notes]  The lesion

in question, called _kani_ in Fijian, requires regular, almost daily,

consumption of kava before it appears, and takes from a few months to a year

or more to develop.  The skin becomes dry and covered with scales,

especially on the palms of the hand, the soles of the feet, and the

forearms, back, and shins.  Frater, working with Fijian subjects, came to

the tentative conclusion that kani was caused by an interference by kava

with the normal uptake and assimilation of some of the B group vitamins.

The condition could be reversed, even in the most serious cases, by a

reduction in kava consumption and a balanced diet."



Rhia R. Drouillard wrote in message <6lf76k$3tj$1@news.us.world.net>...

>    Can anyone here tell me if it's possible for Kava Kava to be the cause

>of the skin peeling off of one's hands?  I started taking it Friday and by

>that evening the peeling started.  I didn't associate the two until today

>because I noticed that the skin is still peeling and the Kava Kava is the

>only change in my diet and I haven't been working with any soaps or

>chemicals.

>

>    Rhia

>

>











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Has anyone ever heard of beta-1,3-d-glucan and what does it do?



From lady@centuryinter.net Mon Jun 08 13:34:13 1998

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I bought a few verbena plants. They are not lemon verbena, they have

small bright pink flowers. I was wondering if they are the same as lemon

verbena and can be used for the same thing lemon verbena is used for.



Does anybody know?





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nope, don't eat them



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What does billberry do?  I'm always interested to hear of new herbs.



--

Tauro





Brian Seagroves/Shannon Malone wrote in message

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> I see it,  too.  -- Shannon

>silver@coolmail.to wrote in message <6l8m5o$bs4$1@news1.abac.com>...

>>Please reply if you see this.

>

>







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BILBERRY

LATIN: Vaccinium myrtillus

AKA: Blueberry, Huckleberry

  =20

BODILY ACTIONS: anthocyanins, antibacterial, antiseptic, astringent, =

bladder stones, blood circulation, blood thinner, blood vessels, cold =

hands & feet, diabetes (prediabetes states), diarrhea, diuretic, dropsy, =

dysentery, eye disorders, eye irritation, fatigue, glaucoma cataracts, =

hemorrhoids, immune system, infections, kidney, laxative, light =

sensitive, mouthwash, nearsightedness, night blindness, nutritive, =

raynaud's disease, scurvy, skin (ulcerative), typhoid epidemics, urinary =

problems, varicose veins, water retention

PARTS USED: fruit, leaves

NOTES: This herb is beneficial during pregnancy. DO NOT USE the leaves =

for more than three weeks at a time.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









From voodoobot@mailcity.com Tue Jun 09 02:19:59 1998

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From: voodoobot@mailcity.com (Dr.Loooooosey)

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Recently, my sweetheart and I have been taking many nature walks, all

of which we have been able to gather many herbs that grow naturally on

the California coast. One of the most abundant is chammomile.

Chammomile makes an excellent tea for upset stomach, sleeplessness and

contains a great amount of azulene oil which is a beautiful blue oil

that is excellent for the skin. As well chammomile tea makes a healing

water with which to give your own plants as it is know to repel

disease and bugs on plants. Packaged chammomile just cant compare to

the fresh variety growing here naturally.



Also, Yarrow is quite abundant as well. In fact the most medicinal

variety, which has white flowers is the variety growing here. These

soothing flowers make an excellent "all-around" good medicinal tea,  a

feminine energizer and regulator for menstrual system, urinary

antiseptic, and known to relieve fever and high blood pressure.  From

the Spiritist perspective, these beautiful, pungent white flowers make

an excellent "cleansing bath" as they are an auric restorative. 

Like chammomile, they contain a great amount of azulene oil.

Yarrow stalks are manipulated for IChing divination as well.



Having nature at home is important too! We have several herb plants we

are growing on our balcony. One is the beautiful provence lavender,

which is a french lavender that is the standard for the perfume

industry. It's violet wands are high in essential oil content.

Excellent for sachets and perfumery; as well, the flowers make

excellent flavor in cakes and pasteries.



Anyone interested in fresh herb trading, please contact me at the

above email. I am especially interested in finding fresh st. john's

wort flowers.  Other offers considered as well. 







"A poor man's felony is a rich man's prank."

 Jack Lord as Steve McGarret, 1974



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From arrow@sprint.ca Tue Jun 09 04:28:53 1998

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From: "arrow" <arrow@sprint.ca>

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Subject: Stinging Nettles

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As a solution to the sting someone mentioned brachen fern. Is this the same

as burdock? which is used the same way, squeeze the broad leaves so the

juices can be rubbed directly on the sting. Looks like wild rhubarb and

usually grows very close to the stinging nettle.







From deb@mt.jeff.com Tue Jun 09 11:40:01 1998

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arrow wrote:



> As a solution to the sting someone mentioned brachen fern. Is this the same

> as burdock? which is used the same way, squeeze the broad leaves so the

> juices can be rubbed directly on the sting. Looks like wild rhubarb and

> usually grows very close to the stinging nettle.



 Not the same, but used in the same way.  You can also use yellow dock leaves,

it is usually easiest to pick a small new leaf that is still quite jucy to

begin with and just rub the goo on the nettle sting.



I have used Hypericum [St. John's Wort] flowers with good results.  And Comfrey

leaves, too.



All of these plants grow in the vicinity of my nettle patch.



Now I'm wondering, if there aren't more plants that would also eliminate the

sting for those spots that *really* start to burn after I've left the area.





Deb



--

******

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com   or   debra@teleport.com  or   deb@spoonman.com

If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different set of challenges.







From j.legare@sympatico.ca Tue Jun 09 04:34:32 1998

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Hello everyone, 



I have read a book who suggest to take some 'collinsonia canadensis' to

help relieve the pain of hemorroides. In french they call it 'prunelle'

or 'heal-all' in english. It is suggested to take it internaly. At the

herbal store, I have found some 'prunella vulgaris' or 'brunelle' in

french or 'heal-all' in english (written on the bottle). But I have read

that this one is mainly for external use and I have bought some tincture

to use internaly. Are they the same? I guess not by the latin names. 



Can you see why I am mixed up?!!! Does anyone knows the difference

between the two? Also, does anyone know of a good site to do some

research on plants by latin name? (I am french speaking and don't know

all the english names). 



Thank you for all your answers. I have been a silent reader for some

time but now I need your knowlegde. 



Julie Legar



From gardendev2@aol.com Tue Jun 09 07:22:42 1998

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Hi,



The uses are all of those mentioned, plus anti-rheumatic--particularly for

gouty arthritis.



I had written earlier, requesting a "local" source for my aunt in

Fontainebleau, France.  By local, I should have explained that I meant any mail

order European source.



I could send her a bag of nettles, but both of us are to old to convince

customs or DEA that it is something to eat, not smoke.  :-)



Any European mail order sources of dried herbs???



Thanks,

Eugenia

gardendev2@aol.com







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I am an American living in France near the Swiss border and I have no problem

finding all the stinging nettles that my heart desires.  Over here  Urtica

dioica  is commonly called ortie and your aunt should be able to find it in any

large produce market.  Moreover, pre-packaged foods such as soup are also

available.  Teas (caled tissanes here) and herbal extracts  of Ortie can be

readily found at  any of the abundant Drogeries/Pharmacies.  I hope this helps.



From spammer@mustdie.com Tue Jun 09 14:30:49 1998

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Hi, 

I'm from the Boston area, and I'm going on vacation to South Dakota

for 2 weeks, are there any herbs growing wild there that I couldn't

get around here, that I should try to find. I'll be staying in the

Badlands, and heading to Mt. Rushmore, and Devil's Tower.





Blessed be,

Kitiara Silvermooon



k_silvermoon@geocities.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180





From abacaxi@hotmail.com Tue Jun 09 15:45:00 1998

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spammer@mustdie.com (Kitiara) wrote:



>I'm from the Boston area, and I'm going on vacation to South Dakota

>for 2 weeks, are there any herbs growing wild there that I couldn't

>get around here, that I should try to find. I'll be staying in the

>Badlands, and heading to Mt. Rushmore, and Devil's Tower.



  First:  Be aware that MANY of the plants growing in those areas

are protected wild species or otherwise VERY expensive to

collect.

  Harvesting plants within national parks and monuments is a

federal offense, and the Indians frown upon having white-eyes

digging up their reservations (depending on what you were doing

there, you could be jailed, fined, or both).

  Second:  Harvesting from ranch-land is possible, but you have

to ask permission from the ranch (trespassing is a serious

offense), know the rules for crossing ranches, and know the risks

of the animals you will encounter. If you can't tell which breed

and sex of cattle is in a field, and what mood they are in, you

shouldn't be entering the field.  It's not Disney out there, and

range cattle can ruin your day.  

  Third: The cute bunnies and prairie dogs can be deadly (their

fleas carry bubonic plague, their ticks have Rocky Mountain

Spotted Fever, and tularemia is also a risk) even if you don't

touch them.  The ticks hang on shrubs next to paths, and attach

to any warm-blooded animal that passes.  In summer, the snakes

are out.  Rattlesnakes.



   Best idea: Look for local herb shops and see what they have,

find any Indian ceremonies and see what they are selling there,

but leave the harvesting to the locals with the permits and the

knowledge of what's permissible and safe.







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Wow, the least scary of that list was the rattlesnakes. I'll take it

all into consideration, and probably end up keeping my herb gathering

to inside shopping malls.



>>I'm from the Boston area, and I'm going on vacation to South Dakota

>>for 2 weeks, are there any herbs growing wild there that I couldn't

>>get around here, that I should try to find. I'll be staying in the

>>Badlands, and heading to Mt. Rushmore, and Devil's Tower.

>

>  First:  Be aware that MANY of the plants growing in those areas

>are protected wild species or otherwise VERY expensive to

>collect.

>  Harvesting plants within national parks and monuments is a

>federal offense, and the Indians frown upon having white-eyes

>digging up their reservations (depending on what you were doing

>there, you could be jailed, fined, or both).

>  Second:  Harvesting from ranch-land is possible, but you have

>to ask permission from the ranch (trespassing is a serious

>offense), know the rules for crossing ranches, and know the risks

>of the animals you will encounter. If you can't tell which breed

>and sex of cattle is in a field, and what mood they are in, you

>shouldn't be entering the field.  It's not Disney out there, and

>range cattle can ruin your day.  

>  Third: The cute bunnies and prairie dogs can be deadly (their

>fleas carry bubonic plague, their ticks have Rocky Mountain

>Spotted Fever, and tularemia is also a risk) even if you don't

>touch them.  The ticks hang on shrubs next to paths, and attach

>to any warm-blooded animal that passes.  In summer, the snakes

>are out.  Rattlesnakes.

>

>   Best idea: Look for local herb shops and see what they have,

>find any Indian ceremonies and see what they are selling there,

>but leave the harvesting to the locals with the permits and the

>knowledge of what's permissible and safe.

>

>





Blessed be,

Kitiara Silvermooon



k_silvermoon@geocities.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180





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Yes. However, please remember to pick only a few from the patches, and

leave the rest. 



-Val





Kitiara wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> I'm from the Boston area, and I'm going on vacation to South Dakota

> for 2 weeks, are there any herbs growing wild there that I couldn't

> get around here, that I should try to find. I'll be staying in the

> Badlands, and heading to Mt. Rushmore, and Devil's Tower.

> 

> Blessed be,

> Kitiara Silvermooon

> 

> k_silvermoon@geocities.com

> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180



From shawshaw@bigfoot.com Tue Jun 09 16:02:42 1998

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Has anyone any suggestions as to how to find out what is in a

homeopathic pill - do you know anyone in the UK who would analyse one

for me?  If so, how much of the pill would be required?  I only have

crumbs!



They really work for me but I can no longer get them.





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On Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:02:42 GMT, shawshaw@bigfoot.com (Julia) wrote:



>Has anyone any suggestions as to how to find out what is in a

>homeopathic pill - do you know anyone in the UK who would analyse one

>for me?  If so, how much of the pill would be required?  I only have

>crumbs!

>

>They really work for me but I can no longer get them.



Do you have a name?

Anything above a D12 is not detectable.

( Avogadro )



Clemens



From sjlee@wwnet.com Tue Jun 09 18:27:30 1998

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Hi all,



I know that others have posted info on treating MS, but it meant nothing to

me till now.  Can any of the MS knowledgeable folks out there send me info

on herbs and other alternative treatments, my Aunt has it and it is causing

her strength and coordination problems in on hand and also in her legs.



Thanks in advance,



Scott Lee







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On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:27:30 -0400, "Scott Lee" <sjlee@wwnet.com> wrote:



>Can any of the MS knowledgeable folks out there send me info

>on herbs and other alternative treatments, 



Has she investigated a diet change? The MS/gluten/casein connection is

mostly only anecdotal as it has never really been studied. This is what I

have:



(1) Roger MacDougall was a famous British playwright, who was diagnosed

with MS in the 1950's. The doctors felt it was best to keep the information

from him. They thought it was in his best interests not to tell him what he

had. It was not until he was bedridden that he learned what illness he had.

When he knew about it, he did some reading, and went on a gluten & casein

free diet. He recovered almost totally. This is from CAN A GLUTEN-FREE DIET

HELP? HOW? by Lloyd Rosenvold, M.D., [Keats Publishing, 27 Pine Street (Box

876) New Canaan, CT  06840-0876, 1992, ISBN 0-87983-538-9]. MacDougall

eventually wrote a pamphlet titled "My Struggle Against Multiple

Sclerosis", pub 1980 by Regenics Inc, Rt. 10, 2660 Touby Road, Mansfield

Ohio 44903, Telephone (419) 756-2994 (Cost $2). Now an edited version is on

the web at:



  http://aspin.asu.edu/msnews/mac.htm

  http://www.cris.com/~Debwalt/mylife/roger.shtml



Rosenvold also includes some other anecdotes in his book.



(2) In the Oct. 5, 1974, Lancet, Dr. Norman A. Matheson's letter "Multiple

Sclerosis and Diet" was published on p. 831, wherein he outlined his having

been diagnosed with MS and subsequently reading Roger MacDougall's story.

He then described his return to good health and ended with: "I thank Roger

MacDougall, whose diet made it possible to carry out these observations."



(3) Ashton Embry has written an article "MS - probable cause and best-bet

treatment" in which he discusses the dietary and food allergy links to MS.

The paper is available at: http://www.cris.com/~Debwalt/misc/embryess.shtml

http://www.2cowherd.net/q/embry.htm or

http://aspin.asu.edu/msnews/emb696.htm (old version)



(4) In _Gluten Intolerance_ by Beatrice Trum Hunter, Keats Publishing Inc.

New Canaan, CT. ISBN 0-87983435-8 She talks about a Dr. R. Shatin in

Australia who "has suggested that an inherited susceptibility to multiple

sclerosis is from a primary lesion in the small intestine resulting from

gluten intolerance, and that the demyelination is secondary. Shatin

suggested that the high incidence of multiple sclerosis in Canada, Scotland

and western Ireland may be related to the predominant consumption of

Canadian hard wheat, which has the highest gluten content of all wheat

varieties. In contrast, the incidence of multiple sclerosis is low among

indigenous Equatorial Africans who mainly consume non-gluten containing

grains such as millet."



(5) In _Multiple Sclerosis_, by Jan de Vries, Mainstream Publishing,

(Thorntons?) UK it recommends absolutely no gluten and very high reduction

of dairy products, refined sugar, and saturated fats. He says that one of

his most successful case studies, confirm that 'absolutely not one pinch if

flour' i.e. absolutely no gluten at all... 'otherwise you are deceiving

yourself.'



(6) According to Dr. Joe Murray at the University of Iowa there is the

possibility that the MS patient suffers from a neurologic complication of

undiagnosed celiac disease. About 5% of celiac patients get nerve damage

that can vary from tingling and numbness in the feet to confusion, memory

loss, dizziness and loss of balance, visual abnormalities. This sometimes

happen in the absence of GI symptoms. 



(7) Lutz, W.J., "The Colonisation of Europe and Our Western Diseases",

Medical Hypotheses, Vol. 45, pages 115-120, 1995



Dr. Lutz argues that there is a clear, inverse relationship between

civilisatory diseases and the length of time the people of a given region

of Europe have had to adapt to the high carbohydrate diet associated with

the cultivation of cereal grains that was begun in the Near East, and

spread very slowly through Europe.



I quote from the first page of the article:



"In over thirty years of clinical practice, I have found, as published in

numerous papers and several books (3, 4), that diet works well against

Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, multiple sclerosis, heart failure,

acne and other problems."



donwiss @ panix.com can e-mail a copy of the article text to those

requesting.



(8) There is a fellow named Dave Q that has "recovered" with a gluten-free 

diet and lots of supplements. He discusses this, along with other recovery 

stories, on his web site found at: http://www.2cowherd.net/q/ms.htm



(9) There is a newsgroup for those interested in "Natural Recovery" of MS.

It's alt.support.mult-sclerosis.alternatives. Ask your system administrator

to add it if you can't find it.



(10) A page on MS and Milk is from the Carbondale Center for Macrobiotic

Studies and blames dairy for the distribution of MS. Visit:

http://commercial-directory.clever.net/health/msmilk.htm

If the page isn't available e-mail donwiss @ panix.com for a copy.



(11) The following is a list of articles in medical journals, which were

published at about the time that prednisone became popular in the treatment

of MS. They appear to connect MS with celiac-like intestinal morphology. 



Cook, Gupta, Pertschuk, Nidzgorski "Multiple Sclerosis and Malabsorption"

Lancet; June 24, 1978, p. 1366



Fantelli, Mitsumoto & Sebek "Multiple Sclerosis and Malabsorption" Lancet

May 13, 1978 p. 1039-1040



Davison, Humphrey, Livesedge et al. "Multiple Sclerosis Research" Elsevier

Scientific Publishing New York, 1975



I find it curious that the connection between malabsorption and MS stopped

at about the same time that prednisone and other such steroids became 

the treatment of choice for MS. As I'm sure you know, prednisone incites

the re-growth of the villi despite the ingestion of gluten, in the celiac

gut. Investigators who did endoscopies on MS patients admit that they have

not asked about the patients' use of such drugs. 



(12) Some literature from the celiac view point:



Drs. Cooke & Holmes in _Coeliac Disease_ 1984; Churchill Livingstone, NY

say that 10% of celiacs have neuropathic symptoms. Many appear to be

associated with demyelination. Fineli et. al. echo that figure in "Adult

celiac disease presenting as cerebellar syndrome" _Neurology_ 1980; 30:

245-249.



Cooke & Holmes come right out and express some of their frustration with

neurologists for ignoring the potiential for neuropathic celiac.



In this article:



Beversdorf D, Moses P, Reeves A, Dunn J  "A man with weight loss, ataxia,

and confusion for 3 months" _Lancet_ 1996 Feb 17;347(8999):446 

 

They discuss the neurological manifestations of adult celiac disease which

include cerebellar ataxia, sensory neuropathy, myopathy, hyporeflexis, and

seizures. These symptoms resemble those of Vitamin E deficiency. Patients

with abetalipoproteinaenemia, who lack the lipoproteins necessary to carry

fat-soluble vitamins, have similar symptoms. These patients respond to

water-miscible Vitamin E supplementation.



In this article:



Cooke WT, Neurologic manifestations of malabsorption. In Handbook of

clinical neurology, volume 28 (metabolic deficiency diseases of the nervous

system, part II), Amsterdam; North Holland Publishing Company, 1976;

225-41.



They discuss the many neurological manifestations that are associated with

coeliac disease, including ataxia, peripheral neuropathy, myelopathy,

myopathy, and dementia. 



A new school has emerged, on the heels of the following report:



Hadjivassiliou, et. al. "Does cryptic gluten sensitivity play a part in

neurological illness?" _Lancet_ 1996; 347: 369-371



They found that 57 percent of those with neurological problems of

unknown cause also had antibodies to gliadin, which is a component of

gluten. Sixteen percent of them had coeliac disease, a much higher level

than normally found. Most of the patients with the anti-gliadin antibodies

did not have other symptoms of coeliac disease such as poor absorption of

vitamins.



(13) There is supposedly a book on MS written by a Greg Nooney, a fellow

that has "cured" himself with a gluten-free diet. He may be in Colorado.



========================================



For more information on avoiding these foods, these pages have annotated

links points to many resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:       http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/

  The No Milk Page:           http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/



And this is the diet that I really think people with MS should be on:



  The Paleolithic Diet Page:  http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/



Since switching to it, and not wearing my glasses but occasionally, my

nearsightedness has improved more than 1.25 diopter in each eye (but I am a

celiac and don't have MS).



Don (at panix com).



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Here is a protocol I have for MS:

MS is a progressive, central nervous system disease thought to be =

triggered by an auto-immune reaction to allergens or the HTLV-1 virus. =

Initial onset  usually occurs between ages 30 and 45. More women than =

men seem to be affected.  The disease itself results from damage to the =

sheaths of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord and has been =

incurable because the immune system fights against itself. MS must be =

treated vigorously. A little therapy does not work, but long lasting =

remission and cure are possible if you catch it in time. Natural =

therapies take 6 months to a year. Strong immune defense is essential.

Common Causes:

Too many refined carbohydrates and saturated fats, causing poor food =

assimilation and toxemia from constipation and poor bowel health; lead =

or heavy metal poisoning; hypoglycemia; Vitamin B-6, B-12, and B-1 =

deficiency; food allergies triggering auto-immune reaction; Candida =

albicans overgrowth; gland imbalance.

Malnutrition and stress often precede MS.



Follow a cleansing diet for 2 months, similar to a diet for Candida =

albicans. Then, follow a modified macrobiotic diet for 3 to 6 months.

The diet should be 70 to 80% fresh foods, with plenty of salads and =

green drinks; 15-20% fresh fruits; and 5-10% vegetable proteins from =

sprouts, legumes and seeds. Eat a bowl of brown rice every day for B =

vitamins. Eat fish at least 3 times a week.

Take a potassium broth twice a week.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids to rebuild nerve and tissues.

Avoid all refined foods and fried foods, sugars, full-fat dairy foods, =

and caffeine containing foods. Eliminate meats except fish.

Reduce starchy and high gluten foods. Eliminate pectin containing =

candies.

Try a Wild Yam Cream with DHEA. Reports on it says it can help.

Ginkgo Biloba for tremor control.

Essential fatty acids are a key--try Evening Primrose Oil caps 4 to 6 =

daily.

Calming, relaxing herbs also seem to help nerves. Skullcap, passion =

flower, catnip, valerian are a few.

Also look into anti-inflammatory herbs.

Take a good multi-vitamin-preferably made from natural sources.

Take a good anti-oxidant formula.

Also look into some minerals--preferably chelated.

Overheating therapy can be effective for MS.



Sunlight and Vitamin D influences the remission of MS. There are far =

less incidences of this disease in sun-belt regions.

Avoid emotional stress, poor diet and excessive fatigue. These trigger =

the onset of MS attacks.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke. You need all the oxygen you can =

retain.

Get mild daily exercise.

Look into chiropractic care, massage therapy, mineral baths and =

reflexology. Any knowledge you can gain will be beneficial to you, then =

you will be able to make your decisions concerning your health care.



Hope this helps you out some. Good luck.

Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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    I have had amazing results by increasing my evening primrose oil intake

from 500mg 3 times a day, to 1500mg 3 times a day.  I have rheumatoid

arthritis. My "marshmellow" joints shrunk down to normal the next day and

have remained so. I decided to increase my dose of EPO when I read (from

searching the net) that there are other types of "prostaglandins," other

than the one causing my immune system to trigger the RA. And, that the EPO

increases the body's production of the good prostaglandins(fatty hormones).

    I find your advice for MS, excellent. I wonder if hypothyroidsm is part

of the MS picture--?

Anna Wolf



slade or kay henson wrote in message <6lm1tk$s8p$1@news2.alpha.net>...

Here is a protocol I have for MS:

B-6, B-12, and B-1 deficiency; food allergies triggering auto-immune

reaction; Candida albicans overgrowth; gland imbalance.

Malnutrition and stress often precede MS.





Reduce starchy and high gluten foods. Eliminate pectin containing candies.

Try a Wild Yam Cream with DHEA. Reports on it says it can help.

Ginkgo Biloba for tremor control.

Essential fatty acids are a key--try Evening Primrose Oil caps 4 to 6 daily.

Calming, relaxing herbs also seem to help nerves. Skullcap, passion flower,

catnip, valerian are a few.

Also look into anti-inflammatory herbs.

Take a good multi-vitamin-preferably made from natural sources.

Take a good anti-oxidant formula.

Also look into some minerals--preferably chelated.

Overheating therapy can be effective for MS.



Sunlight and Vitamin D influences the remission of MS. There are far less

incidences of this disease in sun-belt regions.

Avoid emotional stress, poor diet and excessive fatigue. These trigger the

onset of MS attacks.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke. You need all the oxygen you can retain.

Get mild daily exercise.

Look into chiropractic care, massage therapy, mineral baths and reflexology.

Any knowledge you can gain will be beneficial to you, then you will be able

to make your decisions concerning your health care.



Hope this helps you out some. Good luck.

Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade













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Anna,

Hypoglycemia is related to MS, and hypothyroidism is related to =

hypoglycemia. So, I would say, in the big picture, they are probably all =

related, which all comes down to improper nutrition to me. Thanks for =

the compliment. Hope this helps you out.



Kay



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Anna Wolf wrote in message ...

>    I have had amazing results by increasing my evening primrose oil =

intake

>from 500mg 3 times a day, to 1500mg 3 times a day.  I have rheumatoid

>arthritis. My "marshmellow" joints shrunk down to normal the next day =

and

>have remained so. I decided to increase my dose of EPO when I read =

(from

>searching the net) that there are other types of "prostaglandins," =

other

>than the one causing my immune system to trigger the RA. And, that the =

EPO

>increases the body's production of the good prostaglandins(fatty =

hormones).

>    I find your advice for MS, excellent. I wonder if hypothyroidsm is =

part

>of the MS picture--?

>Anna Wolf







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slade or kay henson wrote:



> Anna,

> Hypoglycemia is related to MS, and hypothyroidism is related to hypoglycemia. So, I would say, in the big picture, they are probably all related, which all comes down to improper nutrition to me. Thanks for the compliment. Hope this helps you out.



I too think you have some good advice on the MS picture.  However,  I don't know that one can say it is improper nutrition - it is so hard to figure out what is the right diet for each individual for one thing.



I tried Dr. Weil's advice for MS - low protein diet, no dairy.  Well, no dairy works for me, but the low protein part made me feel like the disease was progressing badly.  When I reintroduced the protein, the upper body weakness went away...This is

not to say that Weil's advice might not work for someone else, but now I know that low protein seems to be harmful for me.



I am not criticizing you, but as a person with MS I get frustrated by statements like MS is caused by improper nutrition.  I have been a health food nut most of my life and always ate what was touted as being a pretty good diet.  When people came for

dinner they always commented on how many veggies I served etc.  I took nutrition courses in University and read tons of alternative literature on disease and nutrition and supplements etc.



I have turned out to be mildly gluten intolerant I believe, but I've eliminated gluten since January and have seen no reversal in ataxia or balance problmes.  Help with spasticity yes, but not with the other problems.  B-12 shots seem to help somewhat

with pheripheral neuropathy - again an indication of B-12 deficieny that might have been related to gluten intolerance and malabsorption issues.  If you are not absorbing properly, it ain't going matter how many organic veggies you eat, you are still

going to have deficiencies.



Recently I had all my amalgams removed.  And a root canal extracted.  The root canal preceded my first MS symptoms by a number of months and since I've had it out, my Lhermettes (the first symptom) is strangely muted.  Not gone, but much, much

lessened and it was really pretty constant for 15 years.  The other thing I have noticed since amalgam removal is that my progesterone cream is no longer working as proscribed - this is weird, weird, weird.  Mercury is a hormone disrupter.  I am going

to have to go back to the doctor and ask some questions about this.  Maybe I no longer need it.  Mercury can also bind to thyroid hormones because they contain sulpher.  The naturopath told me to take MSM after the amalgam removal.  He said he has

seen many cases of hypoglycemia clear up (and food allergies esp. dairy and eggs) after amalgam removal.  Yes, I am hypoglycemic, and the Zone principles seem to work well for me, but now I wonder whether the amalgam was playing a part in that too.

Only time will tell.



What I am trying to say here is that MS seems to be multifactorial and different for each individual.  It is not one disease even, just one label.  I have known people who totally reversed symptoms on amalgam removal, women who are controlling MS

symptoms with birth control pills, people with MS that turned out to be Lymes instead etc.  MS is a convenient label used by neurologists who do not have the knowledge to more narrowly define a variety of diseases.  I am starting to get a real hate on

about this insistence that just because neurologists stick one label on this syndrome, that we support their ignorance by agreeing that is one disease instead of many.



Good nutrition is good advice, if one can figure out what that means for the individual involved...I think it differs widely for each body chemistry.  There are people on D'Adamo's website (Eat Right 4 Your Type) that swear by his advice, but I am a

blood type A and do not do well on his guidelines either.  And flax seed oil gives me PMS from hell, another piece of advise I see for MS regularly.

Evening Primrose Oil helps me after ovulation and gives me PMS before ovulation.   My naturopath is still trying to figure that one out, what it means about my liver.



Anyway, that's my rant for the day...













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>MS is a progressive, central nervous system disease thought to be =

>triggered by an auto-immune reaction to allergens or the HTLV-1 virus. =



 I must point out that this information is false.



MS is certainly NOT always progressive. It is thought to be several different

diseases, in fact, and most people do not have progressive courses.  It is this

kind of sweeping statement that caused me to almost commit suicide when I was

first diagnosed.  



I have had "benign" MS for over ten years, which was "silent" MS for at least

ten years before that.  This is a very common form of MS, as is

relapsing/remitting, which by the very nature of its name is not progressive. 

Please don't scare people unnecessarily by such generalities. 



I've had to comfort many a newly-diagnosed person who has seen the word

"progressive" before her eyes! 



Vivia

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Does anybody know of any herbs or natural treatments that ease

the symptoms of Parkinson's Disease?



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Passsionflower acts as an antispasmodic when 1/2 teaspoon of tincture is

taken 3 times a day. Alternately, you may take a tea twice a day.

Passionflower has been shown to reduce passive tremor when taken in

combination with levodopa better than when either remedy is taken alone.



Daily doses of 500mg Evening Primrose Oil may reduce tremors.



Make sure you are taking a good multivitamin/mineral suppliment. The

best are liquid with 90 essential vitamins and colloidal minerals.



Fava beans, also called broad beans, are a natural source of levodopa,

1/2 cup containing 250mg, or the same ammount of one pill.



B6 vitamins can interfere with the effectiveness of levodopa.



All of the above information is from Taking Control of Your Health CD.



Hope this helps.



Bryan



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I wonder if skullcap might be helpful as some folks use it to control

mild epilepsy. I know someone else out there must know more than me

about this.  Sabra





From BALCOM-CL@worldnet.att.net Mon Jun 15 07:20:17 1998

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I've read that Ginko helps the circulation to the brain.



Tony Tsikouras wrote in message <6ljkmi$rhb@bcrkh13.bnr.ca>...

>Does anybody know of any herbs or natural treatments that ease

>the symptoms of Parkinson's Disease?







From psmilie@my-dejanews.com Tue Jun 09 19:23:54 1998

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Hello,



Has anyone investigated the effectiveness of using St. Johns Wort in external

herbal preparations.  Our company manufactures natural herbal soaps and we

are looking into the benefit of including this herb in one of our soaps.

Obviously, the amount of beneficial components absorbed by the skin would not

equal the amount if digested.  Any insight would be appreciated.



Paul S.

Dean Coleman Herbal Luxuries

http://www.deancoleman.com



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>Hello,

>

>Has anyone investigated the effectiveness of using St. Johns Wort in external

>herbal preparations.  Our company manufactures natural herbal soaps and we

>are looking into the benefit of including this herb in one of our soaps.

>Obviously, the amount of beneficial components absorbed by the skin would not

>equal the amount if digested.  Any insight would be appreciated.

>

>Paul S.



I don't know about using it in a soap, but I do know that it makes a wonderful

first aid ointment and/or oil for minor cuts, scrapes, burns and bruising.



Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Has anyone taken this, and if so, with what effects. Also, any side

affects? - Thanks, Todd





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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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"Todd" <TravM@prodigy.net> wrote:



>Has anyone taken this, and if so, with what effects. Also, any side

>affects? - Thanks, Todd

  Todd - 

go to http://www.dejanews.com and you can read all about it.

Look for SUBJECT with SJW or Saint John's Wort or St. John's Wort

any of the variable spellings.





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A friend just mentioned that he read of something suitable on this

newsgroup.  I hate to ask, but could someone repeat it.  My Airedale

needs a haircut soon.   Thanks.





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Don't know about dogs, but Kava Kava will relax a person...









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Me wrote:

> 

> Don't know about dogs, but Kava Kava will relax a person...



keep in mind that dosages for dogs and cats (and oddly enough, horses if

it's absorbed through the skin) will probably be less than dosages for

people.  i just bought my friend a book on natural remedies for pets

(they just got a dog), and i believe it had something for stressed

animals.  i would suggest you get or (copy the relevant pages from) a

similer book.  i think the disparity between pets and people is usually

based on weight.



brigid



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Please be aware that dogs and cats are not just small people.  They are

after all in different species, genera and families of mammals altogether.

There are a number drugs and foods that are quite harmless to humans that

are known to be dangerous to pets, and vice versa.  The same undoubtedly

holds true for herbs.  Unless you have actually seem a recommendation in a

reputable book on natural remedies for animals, I would be extremely

cautious about dosing.



-Rich









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Richard Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

> Please be aware that dogs and cats are not just small people. 



I am not sure about cats but, for dogs their metabolism rates are a good

deal higher then humans, this means that active chemicals that take a

while to hit a person and act on them for a given amount of time will be

greatly sped up on a dog.  Ergo it's a little harded to go back.

This was learned from a friend of mine who lost a dog very quickly to some

deadly night shade.



Jenn













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 I'm mad.  You're mad."

"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.

"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

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From grandall@lni.net Tue Jun 09 21:54:58 1998

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From: "Randall" <grandall@lni.net>

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Subject: Lemon Balm?

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I have just started learning about herbs.  I bought a book -- "The Complete

Medicinal Herbal" by Penelope Ody.  I made a tea from Lemon Balm which I

have growing in my garden.  However, I somehow can't bring myself to drink

it.  Can any one tell me how I can be sure this is a safe thing to do?  I

am sure it is lemon balm.  I am not sure about how many leaves.  It seems

like there are many, many leaves and very little water.  Also, if I were to

make this on a regular basis, it seems I would need a lot more lemon balm

growing in my garden.  Yesterday I thought the plant was very invasive, now

I can't imagine ever having enough.  Is this a common problem?  Any infor

or references to good info sites would be appreciated.  



Thanks in advance, 



Geri



From rvirnig@greylond.foo.net Wed Jun 10 00:14:32 1998

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On 9 Jun 1998 18:54:58 GMT, "Randall" <grandall@lni.net> wrote:



>I have just started learning about herbs.  I bought a book -- "The Complete

>Medicinal Herbal" by Penelope Ody.  I made a tea from Lemon Balm which I

>have growing in my garden.  However, I somehow can't bring myself to drink

>it.  Can any one tell me how I can be sure this is a safe thing to do?  I

>am sure it is lemon balm.  I am not sure about how many leaves.  It seems

>like there are many, many leaves and very little water.  Also, if I were to

>make this on a regular basis, it seems I would need a lot more lemon balm

>growing in my garden.  Yesterday I thought the plant was very invasive, now

>I can't imagine ever having enough.  Is this a common problem?  Any infor

>or references to good info sites would be appreciated.  

>



I never had any problems when I made tea from lemon balm in my garden.

I don't recall the proportions though.  However, I also used the

leaves in salads too.



As for invasive... it may be small now, but mine grew to the size of a

large bush, and kept coming back every year.



-Rebecca



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>

>I never had any problems when I made tea from lemon balm in my garden.

>I don't recall the proportions though.  However, I also used the

>leaves in salads too.

>

>As for invasive... it may be small now, but mine grew to the size of a

>large bush, and kept coming back every year.

>

>-Rebecca



Do you also know that when after making the tea you can use the left over

after it has cooled down on your feet it does wonders if you have problems

with you feet.







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rvirnig@greylond.foo.net wrote in message

<357da552.227056503@bluebird.uchicago.edu>...

>On 9 Jun 1998 18:54:58 GMT, "Randall" <grandall@lni.net> wrote:

>

>As for invasive... it may be small now, but mine grew to the size of a

>large bush, and kept coming back every year.



While lemon balm can get quite large, as you point out, it is not truly

"invasive" in the manner of some other members of the mint family, which

spread by underground stolons and can easily take over a garden if left

untended.



-Rich









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>While lemon balm can get quite large, as you point out, it is not truly

>"invasive" in the manner of some other members of the mint family, which

>spread by underground stolons and can easily take over a garden if left

>untended.



However, watch out for those seedlings - they pop up everywhere! (including in

our lawn this year!)

Rebecca



So many books, so little time



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If you have a history of allergies, or even if not, i'd suggest taking

a sip or two and waiting 24 hours to make sure you don't have a

reaction, just like with any new food or beverage. However lemon balm

is one of the gentlest of herbs and also delicious with a little

sweetener added. Sabra





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>However, I somehow can't bring myself to drink

>it.  Can any one tell me how I can be sure this is a safe thing to do?  



LOL!  I had the same problem when I first starting making and taking my own

herbal remedies.  Don't worry, you'll get over it...especially after you have

your first taste of that wonderful lemon balm tea.



If you're just making one cup of tea for yourself then use an infuser...you can

pick this up at any "gourmet" coffee shop.  It's a little ceramic egg shaped

object that you pack your lemon balm leaves into and then use it like a tea

bag.  If you're making tea for medicinal purposes and are going to want to have

some on hand for a while then use one ounce of the leaves to a pint of boiling

water, cover and steep 10-15 minutes.  Strain and drink.  Store the left over

in the frig.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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I am growing a couple hundred Stevia plants and would like to be able to

produce some of the powedered extract for personal use. I've plenty of

experience drying herbs, but none in this matter. How difficult and what is

needed?





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From Bobtaylor@jerseycape.com Wed Jun 10 18:42:23 1998

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From: "Bob Taylor" <Bobtaylor@jerseycape.com>

Subject: Re: Stevia: How do you powder it?

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You need at least a mini grinding mill to make a powder.



I briefly held a conversation about them until I heard $500 quoted, and

decided to buy already powdered instead of attempting to do it myself.



Look around for a milling machine.  Good luck!



Saveall@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

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> I am growing a couple hundred Stevia plants and would like to be able to

> produce some of the powedered extract for personal use. I've plenty of

> experience drying herbs, but none in this matter. How difficult and what

is

> needed?

> 

> 

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I'm tempted to buy 120 stevia plants in plugs from Richters. They charge

$10 a plant, but if you're buying the 120 plug tray for $120.00, they're

$1.00 each. :-) If you have enough room, you'll never have to buy again!

:)



-Val



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WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>  Sd> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:19:47 GMT

>  Sd> Subject: Stevia: How do you powder it?

>  Sd> From: Saveall@my-dejanews.com

> 

>  Sd> I am growing a couple hundred Stevia plants ...

> 

> Where in the world did you come up with "a couple hundred"

> Stevia plants?   :)  Did you have seed?

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski



From todd_robbins_98@yahoo.com Tue Jun 09 22:21:26 1998

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     I have been taking "Ashwagandha" for several months now.  Orginally I

read that it was good for the prostate and would increase the sex drive;

however, recently I heard that it has more medicinal effects on the body,

and I was wondering if anyone knew the other helpful purposes that this herb

has.

     I am hooked since it definitely affects the prostate area...whether

good or bad has not been determined, but I refuse to stop taking it.

     Thanks!  REPLY:    hot_toddy_nyc@yahoo.com









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From: Dollar General <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com>

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I do not find it as a prostate anything nor for sex drive, but if it

works for you... great.



Ashwaganda, a.k.a. Withania somnifera (withania) has properties for

being adaptogenic, tonic and sedative. High in iron make it good for

anemia



todd_robbins_98 wrote:

> 

>      I have been taking "Ashwagandha" for several months now.  Orginally I

> read that it was good for the prostate and would increase the sex drive;

> however, recently I heard that it has more medicinal effects on the body,

> and I was wondering if anyone knew the other helpful purposes that this herb

> has.

>      I am hooked since it definitely affects the prostate area...whether

> good or bad has not been determined, but I refuse to stop taking it.

>      Thanks!  REPLY:    hot_toddy_nyc@yahoo.com



From volvonut@icx.net Sun Jun 14 04:42:34 1998

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I have been taking Ashwagandha for several months also.  It is an Indian

herb and is considered a "base" herb.  It is for overall general male

health.  Improves circulation and vitality.  I take it twice a day and have

found that it has been very beneficial to me.



I get it in bulk and pack my own capsules.









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I have had some recent problems with PMS. When I went to a health food store to

pick up something to help relieve it, the clerk directed me to the homeopathy

section and handed me a vial of Sepia Pellets. I was fairly desperate at the

time so I bought and took the pellets. They helped take the edge off, but now

I'm asking myself what exactly am I taking? I took a class in photography, and

they used sepia as a dye for black and white photographs. Can anyone tell me

what this stuff is? Also, can I get some other suggestions for PMS natural

remedies?



                                                                          

            Kris



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Coffee6796 wrote:

> 

> I have had some recent problems with PMS. When I went to a health food store to

> pick up something to help relieve it, the clerk directed me to the homeopathy

> section and handed me a vial of Sepia Pellets. I was fairly desperate at the

> time so I bought and took the pellets. They helped take the edge off, but now

> I'm asking myself what exactly am I taking? I took a class in photography, and

> they used sepia as a dye for black and white photographs. Can anyone tell me

> what this stuff is? Also, can I get some other suggestions for PMS natural

> remedies?

> 

> 

>             Kris



Here is the information I have from  The Family guide to Homeopathy by

Alain Horvilleur, M.D.



Sepia

Base Substance:  Squid ink (Cuttlefish)

 Characteristic signs and symptoms:  Irritability which is aggravated by

being consoled; an aversion to company, work; problems coping with

family; lack of sexual desire; tiredness for not special reason; hot

flashes (even before menopause); herpes during menstrual periods;  cold

sensitivity, aggravated by being near the sea and when it snows; an

empty feeling in the pit of the stomach around 11 a.m.; a craving for

sugar, chocolate, lemons and vinegar; a sensation of heaviness in the

pelvis; strong-smelling urine; round rashes that heal form the center

outward.



From vandy@avana.net Sun Jun 14 11:00:01 1998

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On Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:39:26 GMT, Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

wrote:



>Here is the information I have from  The Family guide to Homeopathy by

>Alain Horvilleur, M.D.



>Sepia

>Base Substance:  Squid ink (Cuttlefish)



> Characteristic signs and symptoms:  Irritability which is aggravated by

>being consoled; an aversion to company, work; problems coping with

>family; lack of sexual desire; tiredness for not special reason; hot

>flashes (even before menopause); herpes during menstrual periods;  cold

>sensitivity, aggravated by being near the sea and when it snows; an

>empty feeling in the pit of the stomach around 11 a.m.; a craving for

>sugar, chocolate, lemons and vinegar; a sensation of heaviness in the

>pelvis; strong-smelling urine; round rashes that heal form the center

>outward.



Please explain.  Are these the characteristic signs and symptoms for

Sepia use?



















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vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:



>Can anyone tell me what this stuff is?



  It's the ink from SQUID!  



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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <357e80ce.1096835@news.primenet.com>...

>coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:

>

>>Can anyone tell me what this stuff is?

>

>  It's the ink from SQUID!



According to some recent research from Japan (where they consume a bit of

squid) the ink has anti-cancer properties as well.



-Rich









From annawolf@msn.com Thu Jun 11 07:01:00 1998

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Squid ink is also used to dye eyebrows & eyelashes, and it can be used

straight from the squid, any part.  Anna Wolf



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <357e80ce.1096835@news.primenet.com>...

>coffee6796@aol.com (Coffee6796) wrote:

>

>>Can anyone tell me what this stuff is?

>

>  It's the ink from SQUID!







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 Also, can I get some other suggestions for PMS natural

> remedies?

>



For a non-commercial report on a natural treatment for PMS, see

www.sonic.net/~forest/photstim.html



David Noton, PhD

The Forest Institute



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My mother has contracted a fairly severe case of shingles, but the

pharmaceutical remedies she has been prescribed for the pain have made her very

nauseous and weak, and I was wondering if there were any herbal anodynes (is

that the correct term?  I apologise if I misspeak)  which might alleviate the

pain without causing nausea.  Secondarily, though not as important, if there

were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?



I would appreciate any input which anyone could give me.  It is very difficult

for me to watch her suffer without attempting to find information which might

be of assistance to her.  Thank you for your time and attention to this

message.







Respectfully yrs.,

<p>

H4P1A3S1

<p>

Glyndwr: "I can call spirits from the vasty deep."

<br>

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call for them?"



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Secondarily, though not as important, if there

>were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?

No cure but relief.  Any ointment with red pepper, red pepper goes by other

names, will help. It is the Caspian in the red pepper that is effective in

treating the nerve endings that the shingles effect.  It is sold over the

counter

Sandy in ME

H4P1A3S1 wrote in message

<1998061000502300.UAA13578@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>My mother has contracted a fairly severe case of shingles, but the

>pharmaceutical remedies she has been prescribed for the pain have made her

very

>nauseous and weak, and I was wondering if there were any herbal anodynes

(is

>that the correct term?  I apologise if I misspeak)  which might alleviate

the

>pain without causing nausea.  Secondarily, though not as important, if

there

>were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?

>

>I would appreciate any input which anyone could give me.  It is very

difficult

>for me to watch her suffer without attempting to find information which

might

>be of assistance to her.  Thank you for your time and attention to this

>message.

>

>

>

>Respectfully yrs.,

><p>

>H4P1A3S1

><p>

>Glyndwr: "I can call spirits from the vasty deep."

><br>

>Hotspur:  "Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do

>call for them?"







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Try tea tree oil.  It's very soothing and cooling on rashes, eases pain

and it got rid of the bad rash I had off and on for years.



Fidget





robbie wrote:

> 

> Secondarily, though not as important, if there

> >were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?

> No cure but relief.  Any ointment with red pepper, red pepper goes by other

> names, will help. It is the Caspian in the red pepper that is effective in

> treating the nerve endings that the shingles effect.  It is sold over the

> counter

> Sandy in ME

> H4P1A3S1 wrote in message

> <1998061000502300.UAA13578@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >My mother has contracted a fairly severe case of shingles, but the

> >pharmaceutical remedies she has been prescribed for the pain have made her

> very

> >nauseous and weak, and I was wondering if there were any herbal anodynes

> (is

> >that the correct term?  I apologise if I misspeak)  which might alleviate

> the

> >pain without causing nausea.  Secondarily, though not as important, if

> there

> >were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?

> >

> >I would appreciate any input which anyone could give me.  It is very

> difficult

> >for me to watch her suffer without attempting to find information which

> might

> >be of assistance to her.  Thank you for your time and attention to this

> >message.

> >

> >

> >

> >Respectfully yrs.,

> ><p>

> >H4P1A3S1

> ><p>

> >Glyndwr: "I can call spirits from the vasty deep."

> ><br>

> >Hotspur:  "Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do

> >call for them?"



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I'm a member of the North Country Herbalist Guild. A few months back one of our

members stood up and told the group that a salve made from St. John's wort and

licorice was working on her clients with shingles. She got very quick results.

She makes this salve herself but unfortunately she recently relocated to Fla.

and I don't have her address. My advice would be to locate a local herbalist

that can make this preparation for you. My own experience with herbalism would

make me think of detoxifying the liver, (which is usually the cause of many

skin disorders), using burdock root for 30 days. No alcohol or coffee during

this time. This would go to the source of the problem but wouldn't give

immediate relief. Shingles is brought on by stress, so a good B vitamin complex

along with a good nervine like lemon balm tea or St. John's wort tea or

tincture would be my personal course of action.  Physicians recommend Acyclovir

which I understand works but I'd personally stay away from many of the steroid

preparations that they prescribe unless nothing else was working and it was

driving me crazy. Good luck to you



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FredWysoki wrote:

> 

> I'm a member of the North Country Herbalist Guild. A few months back one of our

> members stood up and told the group that a salve made from St. John's wort and

> licorice was working on her clients with shingles. She got very quick results.

> She makes this salve herself but unfortunately she recently relocated to Fla.

> and I don't have her address. My advice would be to locate a local herbalist

> that can make this preparation for you. My own experience with herbalism would

> make me think of detoxifying the liver, (which is usually the cause of many

> skin disorders), using burdock root for 30 days. No alcohol or coffee during

> this time. This would go to the source of the problem but wouldn't give

> immediate relief. Shingles is brought on by stress, so a good B vitamin complex

> along with a good nervine like lemon balm tea or St. John's wort tea or

> tincture would be my personal course of action.  Physicians recommend Acyclovir

> which I understand works but I'd personally stay away from many of the steroid

> preparations that they prescribe unless nothing else was working and it was

> driving me crazy. Good luck to you







Thank you Fred.  Although I don't have shingles, I was referring to the

use of tea tree oil for a rash I suffered with on and off over a long

period of time.  It encompassed my entire front torso and at one point

even spread upward to my breasts.  I'm talking about a red, raw rash

that lasted for almost 2 months, and when it was at its worst, it became

impossible to have any type of clothing come in contact with it (lost a

lot of time from work).  The way it appeared was as strange as the day

it disappeared.  Still till that day I would have outbreaks, especially

when getting into a shower and it would "come alive" and itch and burn

and drive me crazy.  I used to apply mounds of moisturizers to try and

soothe it - temporarily of course.  None of the medications from the

various doctors I saw helped until I tried the tea tree oil.  That was

about two months ago and I haven't suffered since.  I understand that

shingles is caused by stress, however when all else fails - "Hey, you

never know"!



Fidget



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I just read your post about Shingles. Unfortunately I have had shingles

for at least 10 years. And I get a very bad cases of it when I do. Each

outbreak I was getting worse then the outbreak before. I have met

someone is a health food store years back that had changed my life with

Shingles. After having outbreaks that lasted in the contagious state for

at least a month or more at a time. I

now have it in control more then ever. I still get the out breaks, but

now not as often, and it is in the healing stage after the second day. I

finally can live with having this if I have too.



I get from the heath food store a product called DMSO. It is sold only

as a solvent to get it as an over the counter product. DMSO is being

used with some spinal cord injury patients and some other things that

they found it helps with. So they are still learning the uses for it.



I was told to make sure it says 99.9% pure. Most of the health food

stores I have been in carry it. DMSO is a gel. So what you do is this,

with a clean q-tip for each application (because you don't want to

infect the bottle) & clean hands, place some DMSO on the blister to

cover. I have done this about 4 times in a day if it is very bad. Most

of the time, the first day application is enough. If you overdue with

DMSO it will make it feel more like a burn if you put it on. So don't

put it on if you have this feeling. And don't use it pass 2 days. By

then it will do all it can do to help heal. I have found at this point

the liquid in the blisters stop and the heal process begins. So after

you finished with using the DMSO after the first or second day. Then

start to put Neosporin (which is a bacterial creme that you get in your

local drugstore, it helps with the healing of cuts etc.) on all the time

until you finish all the healing. I have found this to help clear it up

after the blisters stop. If I had a severe outbreak like I have had when

I first found this product. I had to use it once or twice more the next

day.  Now when I feel an outbreak coming on I just use the DMSO

immediately & vitamins and hopefully I may only develop one or maybe two

blisters. Not a FLEET like I usually get. After you use the DMSO you

will see a slight improvement with the blister after the first hour. I

was amazed when I first tried it. By the second day you don't have the

liquid in the blister that makes you so contagious. Make sure you never

break that blister when it has liquid it in. It is that liquid that

spreads and makes more blisters. The DMSO will fix that.



I had the most severest outbreak ever & and it wasn't stopping and I

already had it for little over a month & still getting worse. I was

starting to feel that itch coming in my eyes. I have found out that if

you get it in your eyes you could go blind from that.  I just left the

doctors office to see if he

could do anything. He wasn't able to help much other then say it has to

take it's course. Oh god, I was so depressed. I went to the health store

& she said you have shingles, I said yes. She said I do too. I can help

you.



She suggested a bunch of vitamins that helps with this condition. She

said to make sure to take 1,000 mg of vitamin C.  She also said put this

DMSO on now. I did. By the time I got home which took about 20 minutes I

had finally seen my first signs of  improvement. I didn't even take the

vitamins until I got home. By the end of the day I wasn't in the pain &

no iching after the vitamins.  I could see the healing process finally

happening.



Here are the vitamins that helps with shingles and helps stop that itch.

I take this at the first sign of shingles and continue until it is

healed. These are the doses that I take.



Vitamin C - 1,000 mg. 3 times a day

Vitamin E - 400 I.U. twice a day

L-Lyseine - 500 mg. 3 times a day



This is the best thing that I have found that does work! I don't get

pain like I use to anymore. I stop it before it gets very far.



I hope this helps you. I know it does work for me and I am glad I tried

it.



Bye! Diana*



>My mother has contracted a fairly severe case of shingles, but the

pharmaceutical remedies she >has been prescribed for the pain have made

her very nauseous and weak, and I was wondering if >there were any

herbal anodynes (is that the correct term?  I apologise if I misspeak)

which might >alleviate the pain without causing nausea.  Secondarily,

though not as important, if there

>were any topical preparations which might alleviate the rash?

>

>I would appreciate any input which anyone could give me.  It is very

difficult for me to watch her >suffer without attempting to find

information which might be of assistance to her.  Thank you for >your

time and attention to this message.

>

>Respectfully yrs.,

><p>

>H4P1A3S1

><p>

>Glyndwr: "I can call spirits from the vasty deep."

><br>

>Hotspur:  "Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when

you do call for them?"











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1246 wrote:

> The DMSO will fix that.

> 



okay, a little more background information on DMSO.  i used to ride

horses, and we would rub DMSO into the horse's skin to 

a) help with sore muscles

b)reduce the swellings known as "shin splints"



DMSO, if its the same stuff, works by increasing blood flow to the

area.  some people are very allergic to this stuff, and a reaction could

kill you.  i always applied the stuff with a toothbrush, i *never*

touched the stuff.  if you plan to go this route, please get tested

first.  an overdose or bad reaction will raise your heartrate and may

cause a heart attack.  i don't know the %mixture used in a human-gel,

but i suspect it's based on weight.  please be careful about how much

you apply.



brigid



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WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>  m> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:15:28 -0500

>  m> Subject: Re: Remedies for Shingles

>  m> From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

> 

>  m> FredWysoki wrote:

> >> immediate relief. Shingles is brought on by stress, so a

> >> good B

> 

>  m>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 

>  m> okay, i'm confused.  i thought shingles was adult-onset

>  m> chicken pox.

> 

> Shingles occurs in adults who had chicken pox when they

> were children... and the virus attaches it'self to the nerve

> endings, remaining dormant...  but stress is one of the things

> that seems to cause it to rear it's ugly  (and it *is* ugly!   :)

> head!

> 

>  m> very dangerous, even deadly, and esp worrisome for

>  m> men because it could damage their reproductive systems.

> 

> Might you have chicken pox and measles confused?  I believe

> it is measles that do all the things you describe...

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski





Well my daughter had a case of shingles - thank God only once - and she

only had the chicken pox as a child, never the measles.



Fidget



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In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j3a347c25@gratisnet.com>, WL Sakowski 

wrote:

> m> very dangerous, even deadly, and esp worrisome for

>  m> men because it could damage their reproductive systems.

>  

> Might you have chicken pox and measles confused?



It's neither. Mumps is the disease you are thinking of. Occasionally it is 

accompanied by orchitis (swollen testicles), which can lead to sterility in 

post-pubertal males but only rarely.



Shingles, or herpes zoster, is, as you say, caused by a reactivation of 

dormant cells of chickenpox virus. It usually occurs in adults but can happen 

with young people too. Shingles can be triggered by stress or age or by a 

course of radiotherapy. The pain resulting (post-herpetic neuralgia) is 

variable in duration, sometimes disappearing immediately, sometimes lingering 

for months. Someone suffering from shingles can readily infect other people 

with chickenpox; the reverse happens less often.



Roger





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> Shingles, or herpes zoster, is, as you say, caused by a reactivation of 

> dormant cells of chickenpox virus. It usually occurs in adults but can happen 

> with young people too. Shingles can be triggered by stress or age or by a 

> course of radiotherapy. The pain resulting (post-herpetic neuralgia) is 

> variable in duration, sometimes disappearing immediately, sometimes lingering 

> for months. Someone suffering from shingles can readily infect other people 

> with chickenpox; the reverse happens less often.

> 

> Roger

> 





Roger I wasn't aware that someone with shingles could give someone chicken pox. A 

lady I go to church with has shingles are there any herbs that could help her (she 

refuses to go to the doctor)?



Marcia





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On Sun, 14 Jun 98 19:03:31 GMT, davew@wizzards.net (williams) wrote:



>Roger I wasn't aware that someone with shingles could give someone chicken pox. A 

>lady I go to church with has shingles are there any herbs that could help her (she 

>refuses to go to the doctor)?



How about a diet change?



From:   http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



Subject: Shingles

From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: 28 Oct 1996



Shingles is a manifestation of a herpes virus that has returned after a 

period of dormancy. The virus has been held captive by macrophages. 

(large blood cells that envelope the virus cell)



Something causes the release of the virus, which is usually associated 

with a weakened state of the immune system. Chronic illnesses, such as 

undiagnosed celiac disease, gluten intolerance, other food intolerances, 

allergies, and periods of illness, could all cause such a lapse. 



Hans Selye (a Canadian, by the way,) was the first to recognize and

document the process involved. (Stress is the struggle an organism

experiences, as it tries to maintain homeostasis.)



Selye characterized the adaptation to stress in three stages:



one.... within forty eight hours of the initial injury the body experiences



a state of shock, where body temperature and blood pressure drop, 

while adrenal glands shrink and microvessels increase permeability, 

leaking more blood into surrounding tissues. 



two.... after about forty eight hours, adaptation begins. Adrenals 

enlarge, and swelling begins to subside. This is the period of 

adaptation, when we give the appearance of being normal. Our body 

functions in a reasonably normal manner, in spite of the stress induced 

by the chronic exposure to the allergen, or food to which we are 

intolerant. 



three.... This is the stage of exhaustion. In adult celiac disease, this 

is when the classic symptoms arrive. The disease has been with us, 

causing vague symptoms of ill health, but without a high level of 

clinical suspicion, a doctor is unlikely to diagnose it. 



This is the stage at which I suspect that, in the case of celiac 

sufferers, we develop shingles, or other manifestations of a depleted 

immune system. 



It may also be what causes the release of such viruses as HIV, after a 

variable period of dormancy. And that would also explain why AIDS 

patients experience remissions in many of their symptoms while following 

a gluten free diet. One must wonder if a gluten-free/casein-free diet 

might have protected them from the development of AIDS, by avoiding 

exhaustion of their immune systems through ingestion of these antigens. 



I suspect that the impaired lymphocyte reactivity to tumour cells is 

indicative of the same state of exhaustion.(1)



As for the herpetic incursion, may I suggest that you be tested for 

gluten intolerance? If you test positive, you may find that a whole new 

world of good health awaits you.



1. Maclaurin et. al. "Impaired lymphocyte reactivity against tumor 

   cells in patients with coeliac disease" _GUT_ 1971; 12: 794-800. 



I hope this is helpful.

Best Wishes, 

Ron Hoggan 





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I'm in the process of recovering from a painful bout of shingles.  In my case,

the "stress" was my ultrasonic toothbrush, which evidently stirred up the

dormant virus.



My MD is holistic;  in addition to echinacea, St. John's Wort and a natural

antiviral called "Laurine,"  I've been taking B complex, L Lysine and vitamin

C.



I used blue chamomile and thyme linalol essential oils on the blisters, and

they dried up after several days.  



Still feeling crummy, but pain free--

Eugenia



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Roger Whitehead wrote:

> 

> In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j3a347c25@gratisnet.com>, WL Sakowski

> wrote:

> > m> very dangerous, even deadly, and esp worrisome for

> >  m> men because it could damage their reproductive systems.

> >

> > Might you have chicken pox and measles confused?

> 

> It's neither. Mumps is the disease you are thinking of. Occasionally it is

> accompanied by orchitis (swollen testicles), which can lead to sterility in

> post-pubertal males but only rarely.

>  Roger



actually, i was told that shingles, measles, mumps, and german measles

(rubella) could all cause those symptoms.  oh, well, live 'n' learn.



brigid



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Here's the regimen from my web page at 



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



I don't selll anything



============== Shingles and Chicken Pox ================



Enzymatic Therapy Megazymes



Enzymatic Therapy SuperImmunoComp



Enzymatic Therapy Simicort, tea tree oil, or neem oil



Calendula flowers, garlic, neem, lemon balm, chamomile flowers, 

onion, Now Allergy Support, quercetin bromelain vitamin C 

combination, l-lysine combination, multivitamin, cayenne,

oatmeal.



=======================================================



Shingles is a recurrence of chicken pox.  The virus, herpes 

zoster, which lies dormant in certain parts of the body, is 

once again expressed and causes a problem.  Standard 

prescription remedies for the malady are acyclovir or famvir.  

Clinical tests in Germany prove that an enzyme preparation with 

adequate amounts of trypsin and chymotrypsin, like Enzymatic 

Therapy Megazymes, are as effective as acyclovir, but I don't 

know how it compares to famvir.  If I was in much pain, I would 

consider doing famvir along with the naturopathic remedy below.



This is the minimum treatment:



Megazymes, taken at 3x recommended dosage.



An antiviral topical like Simicort (a cream preparation), tea 

tree oil, neem oil, or strong (30-50ppm) colloidal silver.



If these topicals cannot be found immediately, a decent one 

that may provide relief can be made by crushing plain aspirin 

and making a paste with water or oil and applying (or even 

using something like Aspircreme short term).  The Simicort has 

aspirin as well as antiviral herbs in a cream base.  Although 

plain aspirin preparations are not curative like neem or tea 

tree oil, it allows one to be pain free until the internal 

measures take effect.  Oatmeal made into a thick paste and 

applied (or used in a bath) is a traditional remedy for chicken 

pox and may provide a bit of relief, but the other topicals are 

much more effective.  Consider adding the aspirin to an oatmeal 

poultice if nothing else is available.



Good tea tree oils are made by Now and Thursday Plantation. 

They may cause initial stinging, so apply a small amount at 

first and build up, or dilute.  They will also help treat 

internal parasites when used topically long term (see below).  

Neem oil is not as potentially irritating as tea tree oil, but 

is much harder to find and more expensive.  Colloidal silver is 

not irritating at all, but will not provide immediate relief 

and is expensive unless made oneself.



To possibly more quickly resolve the malady, other supplements 

can be added to the regimen.  A bottle of Enzymatic Therapy 

SuperImmunoComp taken at double recommended dosage (4, 3x/day) 

may greatly decrease the time it takes to recover.  A standard 

treatment for any herpes virus is lysine, extra vitamin C, B 

vitamins, zinc, and cayenne pepper (taken internally).  This 

can be had with a good multivitamin like Veglife Multi, cayenne 

capsules from the herb shop, and a lysine supplement like one 

of the combinations made expressly for herpes (ask an herb shop 

clerk).  Depending on the degree of discomfort, I might add one 

or more of these to speed healing.  



For more pain control, if needed, an antiinflammatory like Now 

Allergy Support or any quercetin bromelain vitamin C 

preparations can be used.  To more quickly resolve the problem, 

internally administered antiviral herbs/foods like calendula 

flowers, chamomile flowers, garlic, onion, neem leaves, or 

lemon balm can be taken as well as made into a strong tea or 

paste and applied topically if no tea tree, neem, or Simicort 

is available.



According to Hulda Clark, shingles can be expressed when there 

are roundworms (like ascaris) in the body.  If shingles do not 

quickly respond to this therapy, I would deparasitize with her 

standard program or one similar (neem leaves, cloves, and 

garlic, e.g.) plus ensure everyone in the household, especially 

pets, are treated for internal parasites.



Shingles are a malady I have suffered myself.  I had an 

outbreak on my head which was very painful and allowed me to 

experience for the first time in my life a seemingly chronic 

headache.  I used an antiviral/antiparasitic combination (neem, 

cloves, wormwood, barberry - homemade) along with Megazymes.  I 

used Simicort to alleviate the pain for the first couple of 

days, then switched to tea tree oil when the lesions were 

mostly healed.  I used a frequency generator daily at the 

frequencies for herpes zoster and ascaris.  From the time of 

first appearance of lesions to apparent complete resolution was 

one week, although I had "tingles" for over a month afterward, 

for which I applied tea tree oil.







From VampyreHunter@MailAndNews.com Wed Jun 10 04:00:37 1998

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I have a little garden that I have put catnip, peppermint, spearmint,

oregano, and parsley along with some green and hot peppers and cherry

tomatoes in.  And it seems that my vegetable plants are being eaten by

slugs, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of a sure fire way to get rid of

them.  Beer doesn't seem to be working.



Thanks

Jaxy



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I use crushed clam shell dusted on the plants.



Slugs complain that it hurts their feet.



Try catalog from organic suppliers like Gardens Alive, etc.



Vampyre Hunter <VampyreHunter@MailAndNews.com> wrote in article

<VampyreHunter-0906982100370001@port-2-01-56k.gallipolis.zoomnet.net>...

> I have a little garden that I have put catnip, peppermint, spearmint,

> oregano, and parsley along with some green and hot peppers and cherry

> tomatoes in.  And it seems that my vegetable plants are being eaten by

> slugs, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of a sure fire way to get rid of

> them.  Beer doesn't seem to be working.

> 

> Thanks

> Jaxy

> 

> 





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.  And it seems that my vegetable plants are being eaten by

> slugs, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of a sure fire way to get rid of

> them.  Beer doesn't seem to be working.

>

> Thanks

> Jaxy

We have had 10inches of rain in a month and my plants are disappearing from

all the slugs, also.

These things even eat leaves off of my young fruit trees, onions, flowers,

you name it.



I took ammonia and a little Murphy Oil to make it stick wherever sprayed.

Just put the mixture in

a spray bottle.  I ran out of ammonia tonight so just used the Murphy's Oil

and it still seems effective.

But I don't know if the plants can tolerate much more of this mixture.  Only

time will tell.  This is

in the experimental stage right now.

Anyway the slugs just dissolve.

I have to make a trip around the property 5 times a day, spraying.

I even went out tonight with my flashlight and found more slugs eating my

squash and other plants.

I guess the only time they aren't eating is when the sun is out and we

haven't seen the sun in a month.









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robbie wrote:

> 

> .  And it seems that my vegetable plants are being eaten by

> > slugs, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of a sure fire way to get rid of

> > them.  Beer doesn't seem to be working.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Jaxy

> We have had 10inches of rain in a month and my plants are disappearing from

> all the slugs, also.

> These things even eat leaves off of my young fruit trees, onions, flowers,

> you name it.

> 

> I took ammonia and a little Murphy Oil to make it stick wherever sprayed.

> Just put the mixture in

> a spray bottle.  I ran out of ammonia tonight so just used the Murphy's Oil

> and it still seems effective.

> But I don't know if the plants can tolerate much more of this mixture.  Only

> time will tell.  This is

> in the experimental stage right now.

> Anyway the slugs just dissolve.

> I have to make a trip around the property 5 times a day, spraying.

> I even went out tonight with my flashlight and found more slugs eating my

> squash and other plants.

> I guess the only time they aren't eating is when the sun is out and we

> haven't seen the sun in a month.





This is just a thought.  My mother use to tell me to sprinkle salt on

them...you can see them immediately wither away and die.  That I have

done and I can attest to that.  I know sprinkling regular salt on the

ground will be washed away by all the rain, but my thought is, how about

rock salt?  Or maybe sprinkle that salt stuff you use in the winter for

icy pavements. Salt is salt so maybe that would help.



Fidget



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In article

<VampyreHunter-0906982100370001@port-2-01-56k.gallipolis.zoomnet.net>,

VampyreHunter@MailAndNews.com (Vampyre Hunter) writes:



>Beer doesn't seem to be working.



Beer, of course, attracts the little guys. We've found that they like the

really cheap varieties best (go for generic). For easy disposal, just slosh it

in the bottom of a clean milk carton. Lay carton on its side in shady place

near vegetables. Slugs crawl in after beer, close spout, and toss. Putting it

in the milk carton also keeps the dog from drinking it!



Slugs generally won't crawl across any dry irritating surface -- some people

use salt, but clam shells sound better for the garden. At my Dad's pea-patch,

they use a strip of copper around the bed.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle (slug capitol of the world), WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

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I have a sure fire way of getting rid of slugs:



* The Hommade copper band:



  Stores sell these for outrageous prices. What they do, is fit around

your pots/raised beds. When the snails try to pass over them, it

'shocks' them, not letting them over it. A homemade approach is to hot

glue pennies in a complete circle (one complete ring should be enough)

around your pots/raised beds. I have *NEVER* seen a snail on the soil

surface after doing this. It's a MUCH cheaper way of making copper

bands.



* Eggshells

 

  Breaking up eggshells and sprinkling them in a complete circle around

the base of your plants also works, especially in conjunction with a

homemade copper band. If snails ever rain from the sky, thus getting

around your copper band, they will have a hard time living on the soil

with those deadly razor sharp eggshells!



-Val



Vampyre Hunter wrote:

> 

> I have a little garden that I have put catnip, peppermint, spearmint,

> oregano, and parsley along with some green and hot peppers and cherry

> tomatoes in.  And it seems that my vegetable plants are being eaten by

> slugs, and I'm wondering if anyone knows of a sure fire way to get rid of

> them.  Beer doesn't seem to be working.

> 

> Thanks

> Jaxy



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Hey all,



Anyone know of a mail order business that's selling live stevia herbs

for less than $10!? It seems everywhere I find sells them for at least

$10 each! Of course, when you buy them in plugs, or many at a time, then

they reduce the price. (sigh) Thanks.



-Val



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Anyone know of any natural remedy for gout?  My father has a sore big

toe-and would like to investigate the herbal route of cure.

TIA

J



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"jane hubbard" <hubbardj@to-de.com> wrote:



>Anyone know of any natural remedy for gout?  My father has a sore big

>toe-and would like to investigate the herbal route of cure.

  He's going to love this .... cherries.  LOTS of fresh, juicy,

sweet cherries.



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Go on a fasting Detoxification program to rid the body of acid wastes =

quickly.

Follow with a diet of fresh foods for a month to balance uric acid =

formation.

Drink 4 glasses of cherry juice and 6 glasses of water daily to flush =

and neutralize acid. Eat plenty of dark fruits.

Eat high potassium foods: fresh cherries, bananas, strawberries, celery, =

broccoli, potatoes, and greens to put acid crystals in solution so they =

can be eliminated.

Avoid high purine foods, including red meats, rich gravies, broths and =

bouillon, sweetbreads, organ meats, mushrooms, asparagus, dry peas, =

cooked spinach and rhubarb, sardines, anchovies, and crab.

Eliminate alcohol during healing--it inhibits uric acid secretion from =

the kidneys.

Avoid high levels of fructose on any drinks or food. Reduce caffeine, =

fried foods, and all saturated fats.

Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in =

gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.



Hope this helps you out.

Kay





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Kay,



Got a question for you concerning this question you posed....

.

+ADw-Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in

gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.

Hope this helps you out.

Kay+AD4-



Is there a family predispostion to gout?  Reason I am asking is +ACo-I+ACo- am the

one who has hypothyroidism, and my dad has gout.  I sure do not want to go

through what he has.  Is there  a preventive herb or diet to take so I don't

have to go his route with the gout?  Thanks+ACE-



Patti











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jane hubbard wrote:



> Anyone know of any natural remedy for gout?  My father has a sore big

> toe-and would like to investigate the herbal route of cure.



If it's really gout he has to purge his excess and then and prevent

further buildup of uric acid precipitates. Tell him to stop drinking

alcohol and coffee, lose weight, take in more water (a glassfull every

hour and a half he's awake is a good rule of thumb), cut way back on red

meat and other foods high in fats and purines, eat some black cherries

every day (and/or drink several glassfuls of black cherry juice), and

eat more fresh greens and strawberries. Quince or bilberry will speed

things up. Dandelion or yarrow tea will help get rid of the gunk in the

joints.



--

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Stephen W. Anderson, Rocky Mount, North Carolina



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Hi, folks--

Sudden fasting/dieting can release even more uric acid from places where it

loves to hide.



Cherries *are* great--even bags of frozen cherries.  The best relief I have

found, though, is nettle leaf.  Tea, if you can find the dried leaves, or

extract if you can't.  It neutralizes and excretes uric acid.  It would be the

best of both worlds to combine them.



A lot of people get into trouble with a sudden fast--toxins are released in a

rush, and if you have an inflamed condition it's almost certain to become more

aggravated.



best of luck

Eugenia



From ilikex@remove.this.worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 10 06:33:36 1998

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From: "Rishi Malhotra" <ilikex@remove.this.worldnet.att.net>

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Subject: Anything to help along chicken pox??

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:33:36 -0400

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I just caught the chicken pox from my sister (damn her!).  I have several

job interviews coming up at the end of the week, and I was wondering if

anybody knew of some herb(s) which could help me along.  Any help is

appreciated.  Could you also please email me privately / send a copy of the

post to my email address so that when the fever really hits me, I won't have

to sift through the postings?



Thanx in advance

__________________

Rishi Malhotra

ilikex@remove.this.worldnet.att.net (REMOVE.THIS)

ICQ# 7566029







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For chicken pox, if possible, try taking a bath using a wash made from any or

all of the following

Ginger, Goldenseal, pau d' arco, red clover.

Sponge all effected areas well the wash (cooled strong tea).  You can also 

keep a compress of this wash on effected areas to help with the itching.  A

catnip tea...taken internally...may also be of help to you.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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How old are you? Chicken pox can be very serious for adults.

Take 2 lemons in water with a little pure maple syrup every 4 hours to =

flush the system of toxins and clean the kidneys.

Stay on a liquid diet for the first 3 days of infection, with plenty of =

fruit and vegetable juices. Then have a raw foods diet, some apples, =

bananas, yogurt, avocados and a fresh salad daily for the remainder oft =

he week.

Avoid all dairy products except for a little yogurt or kefir cheese.

Dab honey, wheat germ oil, or Vitamin E on scabs to heal and prevent =

infection.



Topical Applications:

Make a rosemary/calendula wash....1 dried handful dried herb each to 1 =

quart of water. Dab on sores every 2 to 3 hours.

Comfrey salve or fresh comfrey leaf compresses.

Aloe vera gel.

St. John's Wort oil or salve.

Apply a goldenseal/myrrh solution.

A strong tea of yellow dock, burdock and goldenseal every 4 hours.



Supplements:

Extra Vitamin C is essential. Begin taking it as soon as diagnosis is =

made. This helps to flush the tissues, relieve itching and neutralize =

the viral activity. Take a natural C, with bioflavonoids.

Beta carotene 25,000 IU

Natural vitamin E 400IU daily

Zinc 30mg twice daily for a month after disease has run its course to =

re-establish immunity.



Do not take aspirin. It has been linked to Reye's Syndrome, a rare but =

deadly disease.



Effective baths for skin itching:

Peppermint/ginger

Cider vinegar/sea salt

Oatmeal

Ginger root

Wet compresses of any of the above may also be applied often to control =

itching.





Hope that helps. I have had chicken pox as an adult. Again, I can tell =

you it can be very serious in an adult.

Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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In article <6lm2pl$scg$1@news2.alpha.net>, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> writes:

>Hope that helps. I have had chicken pox as an adult. Again, I can tell =

>you it can be very serious in an adult.



And most adults do not appreciate a contagious person spreading it in their

office. As important as job interviews are, calling and rescheduling would be

the kindest thing to do.  Frankly, if they're not nice enough to feel some

sympathy over your plight, you probably don't want to work there.



For some adults, the chickenpox virus can lead to shingles, a very serious

disease, so be good to yourself and don't push too hard.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

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From annawolf@msn.com Thu Jun 11 07:12:39 1998

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@msn.com>

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Chicken Pox? If it's the one with skin sores, you might try putting Tree Tea

Oil directly on each sore.  Olive leaf extract is anti-viral.  I'd be

careful of juniper berries if you have kidney problems. Also, concentrated

cranberry capsules might help flush your system.

Anna Wolf



Rishi Malhotra wrote in message <6lkuod$hgg@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>I just caught the chicken pox from my sister (damn her!).  I have several

>job interviews coming up at the end of the week, and I was wondering if

>anybody knew of some herb(s) which could help me along.  Any help is

>appreciated.  Could you also please email me privately / send a copy of the

>post to my email address so that when the fever really hits me, I won't

have

>to sift through the postings?

>

>Thanx in advance

>__________________

>Rishi Malhotra

>ilikex@remove.this.worldnet.att.net (REMOVE.THIS)

>ICQ# 7566029

>

>







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Hi,



I have two bottles of St. John's Wort.  One says "contains .3% hypericin" and

the other says "contains .3% dianthrones as hypericin."



Can anyone distinguish between the two? 



THANKS so much!



Susan



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Hi all! :-)

Just wondering if anyone can explain something to me. I feel a bit silly

for asking but I rather get the right answer than just guess. I have two

different brands of SJW both have 300mg standardized extract to contain

0.3% hypericins. However they also say something else that's different.

One bottle says in addition to the previous ...300mg standardized

extract 1:5 (equivalent to 1500mg St. John's wart), I understand what a

ratio is but a ratio of what? The other just adds (900mcg per capsule).

Does this make one a better potency than the other? What does this

difference mean?

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Hi all! :-)

<BR>Just wondering if anyone can explain something to me. I feel a bit

silly for asking but I rather get the right answer than just guess. I have

two different brands of SJW both have 300mg standardized extract to contain

0.3% hypericins. However they also say something else that's different.

One bottle says in addition to the previous ...300mg standardized extract

<B>1:5 (equivalent to 1500mg St. John's wart), </B>I understand what a

ratio is but a ratio of what? The other just adds <B>(900mcg per capsule)</B>.

Does this make one a better potency than the other? What does this difference

mean?

<BR>Thanks! Christina :-)</HTML>



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From greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net Wed Jun 10 22:18:50 1998

From: greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net (Just Me)

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Subject: Stinging Nettles: new leaves or old?

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All these threads on stinging nettles reminds me of a question I have

regarding them. One herbologist I heard said that it's best to only

eat (or use for teas) the young leaves of new plants. I can't remember

the details now, but I think she said something about older leaves

becoming very grainy and whatever chemical is by then produced in the

old leaves is actually harmful to you. Does anyone have any further

elucidation on this? Or is this   incorrect information? I am anxious

to know as we've got stinging nettles all over the place here and

would like to try them and I'm not even sure if they're young or old

plants! I'm very  new to herbs and wild plants. 







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greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net (Just Me) wrote:



>All these threads on stinging nettles reminds me of a question I have

>regarding them. One herbologist I heard said that it's best to only

>eat (or use for teas) the young leaves of new plants. 



I don't know if the older leaves are actually harmful, but I do know

that the younger leaves taste a whole lot better.  That being so, I

pick, and eat, the younger leaves exclusively.



Judith





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From: Dave Santorum <daves@crespo.demon.co.uk>

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In article <357ed99a.1768307@news.olywa.net>, Just Me

<URL:mailto:greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net> wrote:

> All these threads on stinging nettles reminds me of a question I have

> regarding them. One herbologist I heard said that it's best to only

> eat (or use for teas) the young leaves of new plants. I can't remember

> the details now, but I think she said something about older leaves

> becoming very grainy and whatever chemical is by then produced in the

> old leaves is actually harmful to you. Does anyone have any further

> elucidation on this?



The graininess is real - having had nettles in a cooked meal,

the texture was very off putting. However, none of the family

suffered any chemical reaction - possibly because they had been

thoroughly cooked?



No doubt others will be able to elucidate a little better on this

matter.



DaveS

--

   daves@crespo.demon.co.uk

  d.er DESIGNS on the web @

 http://www.crespo.demon.co.uk/





From annawolf@msn.com Sat Jun 13 08:06:35 1998

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@msn.com>

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When I cook dandelion leaves, mustard leaves, or other mature,

strongly-bitter green, I have to parboil it 1st for 5 minutes, pour the

water off, then I simmer it slowly over olive oil and onions, with a tight

fitting lid. Otherwise, the bitterness is present and the herb doesn't taste

right. Parboiled, it is delicious. Anna



Dave Santorum wrote in message ...

In article <357ed99a.1768307@news.olywa.net>, Just Me

<URL:mailto:greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net> wrote:

> All these threads on stinging nettles reminds me of a question I have

> regarding them. One herbologist I heard said that it's best to only

> eat (or use for teas) the young leaves of new plants. I can't remember

> the details now, but I think she said something about older leaves

> becoming very grainy and whatever chemical is by then produced in the

> old leaves is actually harmful to you. Does anyone have any further

> elucidation on this?



The graininess is real - having had nettles in a cooked meal,

the texture was very off putting. However, none of the family

suffered any chemical reaction - possibly because they had been

thoroughly cooked?



No doubt others will be able to elucidate a little better on this

matter.



DaveS

--

   daves@crespo.demon.co.uk

  d.er DESIGNS on the web @

http://www.crespo.demon.co.uk/









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From mbryan002spamnot@sprintmail.com Thu Jun 11 03:36:23 1998

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	I have recently heard of an all natural "breast enhancer"

called Erdic. I found a website at www.bustingout.com, tee, hee. This

outfit claims that its concoction of wheat, corn, barley, hops and

other grains will increase cup sizes by 2 in as little as 2 months. It

sounds to me as though one could acheive the same results by drinking

beer everyday, given the ingredients in this alleged wonder formula.  

	Anyway,I have been unable to find any independent verification

of the claims made by these purveyors of miracle mammaries. I am

wondering if anyone in this group has heard of this and where I might

get more information on the subject. It occurs to me that if this

stuff were for real, we would be in the midst of a hype storm rivaled

only by the current Viagra deluge. 

	 My wife is extremely curious about it. I, naturally, love her

just the way she is--34A's and all. ;>)



	Thanks in advance and apologies if I have posted this in an

inappropriate group.



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From fafnir16@aol.com Thu Jun 11 05:19:18 1998

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This is a bit personal but I'm desperate. Right before and when I start my

period I get extremely tired. The kind of tired where you feel drugged. Getting

out of bed is hard and staying awake through the day  is impossible. As soon as

my period starts to go away the symptoms do too. Someone suggested low iron.

Could this be the case? 

 As it is starting to happen again I know it will be soon. I've increased my

spinach intake and other veggies  (if you could recommend certain ones that

would help too) and I started taking a multi vitamin.

    If you have any ideas what to do or what could be causing this I would be

eternally grateful.

     Thank you-Sharon



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Despite what our mothers told us, spinach is not the best source of iron --- it

contains oxycolic (sp?) acid which blocks the absorbtion of iron and calcium

----



Better sources mmight be lean meat, egg yolks, 



dandelion, alfalfa, parsely, fennel



dandelion and parsely should also help with water retention, if thats a problem

for you



also avoid coffee and black tea as they play a role in iron depletion





Source "Wise WOman Herbal for the ChildBearing year" By Susan Weed





Hope it Helps





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Fri Jun 12 00:09:48 1998

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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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Subject: Re: Period Help...

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 16:09:48 -0500

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JiaStar wrote:

> 

> Despite what our mothers told us, spinach is not the best source of iron --- it

> contains oxycolic (sp?) acid which blocks the absorbtion of iron and calcium

> ----

> 

> Better sources mmight be lean meat, egg yolks,

> 

> dandelion, alfalfa, parsely, fennel

> 

> dandelion and parsely should also help with water retention, if thats a problem

> for you

> 

> also avoid coffee and black tea as they play a role in iron depletion

> 

> Source "Wise WOman Herbal for the ChildBearing year" By Susan Weed

> 

> Hope it Helps

> 

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong

>



also, i've found that when my iron is low, raisins help.  i used to go

give blood, and when i'm on my period, my iron is low enough that they

won't take me.  i would go and get a six pack of raisin boxes, eat one a

day for five days, and by friday (my periods are long so i was still on

it in this instance) my iron was high enough to let me give blood.



brigid



From vandy@avana.net Sun Jun 14 11:00:04 1998

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Another iron and vitamin C source is tomatoes or tomato juice.  I have

found that I must have iron, vit C and calcium available at the same

time in order to absorb enough of any of them.  As long as I keep

these levels high, the period in not a problem.







posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



From kimber@mornet.com Thu Jun 11 05:33:16 1998

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From: "Kaycee" <kimber@mornet.com>

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Subject: Inflamation of tissue around joints?

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I am looking for a natural herb that can help treat the inflamation of

tissue around my tailbone.  I had an accident on my bike a year ago and even

though there was no bone damage, pain was severe and I couldn't ride or sit

for any length of time.  The Orthopedic Physician prescribed an

"anti-inflammatory" to stop the pain around the area.  After taking the

medication for two months (very expensive and with some subtle side effects)

the symptoms subsided.



However, recently the condition has raised its ugly head.  I want to find a

natural way to deal with this.  It seems to be a chronic problem and there

seem to be a lot of women who suffer from the same condition after reaching

the age of 35+.



Thanks for your help!



Kaycee@mornet.com







From kyra@flash.net Thu Jun 11 06:41:17 1998

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From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

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Kaycee wrote:

> 

> I am looking for a natural herb that can help treat the inflamation 

> of tissue around my tailbone.  I had an accident on my bike a year 

> ago and even though there was no bone damage, pain was severe and I 

> couldn't ride or sit for any length of time.  The Orthopedic 

> Physician prescribed an "anti-inflammatory" to stop the pain around 

> the area.  After taking the medication for two months (very 

> expensive and with some subtle side effects) the symptoms subsided.

> 

> However, recently the condition has raised its ugly head.  I want to 

> find a natural way to deal with this.  It seems to be a chronic 

> problem and there seem to be a lot of women who suffer from the 

> same condition after reaching the age of 35+.



Exercise....



Seriously.  I had a slip-and-fall at 8 months' pregnant.  Permanently

stretched my sacroiliac ligament.  Did therapy, proved to myself that 

if I was using the joints/muscles they didn't hurt, if I was sedentary 

they ached no end.  Once the period of initial healing rest [RICE] is

filled, the drill reverts to Use It Or Lose It.  That was coming 8 

years ago, and to this day my activity level determines my pain level.



-Kyra



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   I know this is not an herbal remedy, but it is a combination that we

frequently recommend to people suffering from Osteo arthritis, as well, as

injurys that have affected the cartilage. It's important that you determine if

your injury is cartilage related, if not the first part of this remedy will do

you no good. Which is Glucosamine Sulfate. It helps to rebuild cartilage, which

in turn helps to relive some if not most of the pain. You must use it for 6-8

weeks before you'll see any benefit. 

   The second thing we recommend is Bromelain, which is actually a pineapple

extact that works wonders with inflammatory conditions. 

     Make sure to pick up a high quality product , that makes a big difference

too.



Hope it helps!

Siochain



From joe@microsoft.com Thu Jun 11 10:13:00 1998

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From: "CGE SOUTH EAST ASIA SDN BHD" <joe@microsoft.com>

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Subject: What herbs can I grow?

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I live in Vancouver, Canada and have some small greenhouses ata my

disposal.  I would very much like to grow some herbs that may have market

potential in the region.  Does anyone know of herbs that may fit this

description and that would grow in the West Coast climate?  I would

appreciate any advice.  Thanks.



Brent





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You might want to take a look at Richters. 



http://www.richters.com



They're a canadian mail order company, and have one of the [if not THE]

largest heb selections i've seen to date. You may be able to find some

suggestions there, if not, at least a great source! :)



-Val



CGE SOUTH EAST ASIA SDN BHD wrote:

> 

> I live in Vancouver, Canada and have some small greenhouses ata my

> disposal.  I would very much like to grow some herbs that may have market

> potential in the region.  Does anyone know of herbs that may fit this

> description and that would grow in the West Coast climate?  I would

> appreciate any advice.  Thanks.

> 

> Brent



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In article <MPG.fe86d095a205f7398970f@192.168.1.1>,

Gillie <princessravenfyre@no.spam.usa.net> wrote:

:In article <6lmfed$vv3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, nursecamy@aol.com 

:says...

: I heard about a

:> topical treatment - Tc36. I got some and used it and in about

: 6 weeks the new

:> growth was coming in pink and normal . It took about 10 months

:> 

:My boyfriend has toenail fungus.  I'd really like to get rid of it, 

:needless to say.  Where did you get this product?  Where can I get it?



If I recall correctly, `Tc36' is an expensive, MLM way to say "tea tree

oil." If you can't find it, I'm sure "nursecamy" (or another huckster)

would be all too happy to sell you some. Plain tea tree oil is available

in health food stores, virtually all of whom don't try to con others into

paying for their advertising a la MLMers, at a reasonable price.





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From: comedy@clear.net.nz  (Nomh de Pluhme)

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Subject: Help! Please, I lost my bookmarks!

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Can you help?



I lost my bookmarks.



I had a favourite plant/server/database/search/type/thingee



it was brilliant - enter the name, scientific or common, it would go

away and think, and then it would come back with all sorts of

climate/habitat/ info illustrated with full colour.



Anyone got any clues.



Need that URL

Cheers



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Subject: Re: Help! Please, I lost my bookmarks!

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Nomh de Pluhme wrote:

> 

> Can you help?

> 

> I lost my bookmarks.

> 

> I had a favourite plant/server/database/search/type/thingee

> 

> it was brilliant - enter the name, scientific or common, it would go

> away and think, and then it would come back with all sorts of

> climate/habitat/ info illustrated with full colour.

> 

> Anyone got any clues.

> 

> Need that URL

> Cheers

Here are a couple to start with. Sorry no pictures.

The first one might keep you busy tho.



http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/index.html

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html



If you do find it could you post the url? Please?

Richard



Remove NOSPAM from address to reply



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Don't know of the site to which you are referring, but

http:\\www.herbalism.com has some excellent links, as well as some good

information. Good luck!



Bryan



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Forrest wrote:

> 

> Don't know of the site to which you are referring, but

> http:\\www.herbalism.com has some excellent links, as well as some good

> information. Good luck!

> 

> Bryan





Your slashes are backwards!!   LOL



Fidget



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I used to have *EXTREME* PMS.  I started taking Evening Primrose Capsules &

my PMS was cut in half.  My own dose is 1500mg daily.



Theresea



TheForestInst@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<6loeuv$4a5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> Also, can I get some other suggestions for PMS natural

>> remedies?

>>

>

>For a non-commercial report on a natural treatment for PMS, see

>www.sonic.net/~forest/photstim.html

>

>David Noton, PhD

>The Forest Institute

>

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I need information about the uses of lemon grass. I think Martha Stewart

mentions it in some cooking?? A friend has given me a large plant but no

instructions!!Please reply e-mail also so I will not miss any reply.

Thanks, Jim

------

Jim in Dallas

jimdoug@iname.com









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	Doe sanyone know of a good place where i order Rosemary plants

or seeds?  Some place you've done reliabel business with?

    I can't find them in any of hte stores in my area...

Thanks,

Vrondi



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Vrondi:



Try:



http://www.richters.com



Also, order one plant, if possible. Forget seeds, they're usually

difficult to germinate. Once you get one rosemary plant, use the

'layering' method once the plant has been well established, and you'll

grow a lifetime of rosemary plants starting with one! :-)



-Val



====-

NO SPAM!





Vrondi wrote:

> 

>         Doe sanyone know of a good place where i order Rosemary plants

> or seeds?  Some place you've done reliabel business with?

>     I can't find them in any of hte stores in my area...

> Thanks,

> Vrondi



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From: Geoffrey Hutchinson <icgth@imap2.asu.edu>

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Hi all --



I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?



I have read that it acts as a mild benzodiazepene, except it lacks

addictive properties.  I'm curious to see what others report.



Geoff





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*[Excuse the crosspost, this is a reply to a user who posted in both]*



Hi Geoffrey:



While I haven't read any convincing proof on Valerian being addictive,

taking it is proof enough, for me. ;) I'll take it 2-3 times a month,

tops. I'm sure it's fine (for most people) on a more frequent basis.

However, with everything, in moderation. ;) Valerian usually works at

anywhere between 350-800mg dose once in a day. I'm out cold, find good

sleep, dream good dreams, and awake refreshed.



I generally suggest other means of relaxation before using

herbs/medication for such - to train yourself to relax without depending

on any substance. Deep breathing relaxation and a warm bath before bed

can help. Remember to try and keep sundays for nothing but relaxation as

well.



-Val



Geoffrey Hutchinson wrote:

> 

> Hi all --

> 

> I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

> Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

> had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

> chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?

> 

> I have read that it acts as a mild benzodiazepene, except it lacks

> addictive properties.  I'm curious to see what others report.

> 

> Geoff



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> Geoffrey Hutchinson wrote:

> > 

> > Hi all --

> > 

> > I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

> > Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

> > had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

> > chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?

> > 

> > I have read that it acts as a mild benzodiazepene, except it lacks

> > addictive properties.  I'm curious to see what others report.

> > 

> > Geoff





Geoff St. John's Wort takes about 6 weeks before it is in full effect. Valerian is okay 

but remember that is also what Valium is made from and that is addictive. Anyone 

with a history of addiction or such problems with Valium should avoid Valerian.



Marcia





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In article <N.061198.115620.95@davew.wizzards.net>,

williams <davew@wizzards.net> wrote:



>Geoff St. John's Wort takes about 6 weeks before it is in full

>effect. Valerian is okay but remember that is also what Valium is

>made from and that is addictive. 



Valium is not made from valerian -- they have nothing in common except

similar-sounding names.



  -- David Wright :: wright at ibnets.com :: Not a Spokesman for Anyone

     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.

     "The daily floggings will continue until morale improves."



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That's a popular misconception, and 100% false. The two are both

chemically unrelated.



-Val



===-

NO SPAM!



> Valerian is okay

> but remember that is also what Valium is made from and that is addictive. Anyone

> with a history of addiction or such problems with Valium should avoid Valerian.

> 

> Marcia



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 04:23:01 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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davew@wizzards.net (williams) wrote:



>Valerian is okay 

>but remember that is also what Valium is made from and that is addictive. Anyone 

>with a history of addiction or such problems with Valium should avoid Valerian.



Marcia - 

  Valerian is NOT the source of any part of Valium.  The active

ingredient in valerian, valproic acid, is NOT the same as the

active ingredient in Valium.  They merely have similar names,

probably because Valium was hitch-hiking on the reputaiton of

valproic acid (which it pretty well knocked out of the market).



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Have you thought about using Kava?  Check out the following

abstract from the journal Pharmacopsychiatry (I got this

from MEDLINE):



**************************

Title

Kava-kava extract WS 1490 versus placebo in anxiety

disorders--a randomized placebo-controlled 25-week

outpatient trial.



Author

Volz HP; Kieser M



Address

Department of Psychiatry, Jena University, Germany.



Source

Pharmacopsychiatry, 30(1):1-5 1997 Jan



Abstract

101 outpatients suffering from anxiety of non-psychotic

origin (DSM-III-R criteria: agoraphobia, specific phobia,

generalized anxiety disorder, and adjustment disorder with

anxiety) were included in a 25-week multicenter randomized

placebo-controlled double-blind trial with WS 1490, a

special extract of kava-kava.



In the main outcome criterion, the Hamilton Anxiety Scale

(HAMA), there was a significant superiority of the test drug

starting from week 8 on. WS 1490 was also found to be

superior with respect to the secondary outcome variables.

HAMA subscores somatic and psychic anxiety, Clinical Global

Impression, Self-Report Symptom Inventory-90 Items revised,

and Adjective Mood Scale. Adverse events were rare and

distributed evenly in both groups.



These results support WS 1490 as a treatment alternative to

tricyclic antidepressants and benzodiazepines in anxiety

disorders, with proven long-term efficacy and none of the

tolerance problems associated with tricyclics and

benzodiazepines.



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>> > I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

>> > Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

>> > had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

>> > chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?





Valerian is NOT indicated for anxiety, rather, it works on the central

nervous system as a mild narcotic.  It is particularly indicated for

individuals with chronic insomnia or other sleep disorders.  NOTE: some rare

individuals are actually stimulated by valerian.



Calming or Nervine herbs possibly more appropriate for your symptoms include

Catnip, Blue Chamomile, Skullcap.  Kava kava is also indicated for anxiety,

NOTE: use Kava wisely and experiment with it in a safe place before using it

in a car or operating equipment because it can also have a narcotic effect.



My own experiences with stress have led me to experiment successfully with a

combination of oat grass, skullcap, St John'swort, astragalus, devil's club

and pulsatilla.  Your best solution is to experiment yourself.  Read good

books and ask good questions.



Good luck! :)









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Fidla, I have a friend who can't use valerian as she feels bad in the

morning, muzzy and drowsy, in the same way she would if she had taken a

sleeping pill. Have you heard of this before? I saw that you said some

people are stimulated by it. She has problems with St John's Wort too, but I

can't remember what. I have had nothing but positive experiences when I have

used herbs , is it possible some people are extremely sensitive or

metabolise the active ingrediants more slowly or diiferently?

----

ROXY

[Born a bookworm, will die a bookworm]

Remove .NOSPAM from address when replying



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In article <6m4a5j$u8p$1@as4100c.javanet.com>, "Fidla" <fidla@aol.com>

wrote:





>

>>> > I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

>>> > Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has

anyone

>>> > had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

>>> > chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?

>

>

>Valerian is NOT indicated for anxiety, rather, it works on the central

>nervous system as a mild narcotic.  It is particularly indicated for

>individuals with chronic insomnia or other sleep disorders.  NOTE: some

rare

>individuals are actually stimulated by valerian.

>

>Calming or Nervine herbs possibly more appropriate for your symptoms

include

>Catnip, Blue Chamomile, Skullcap.  Kava kava is also indicated for anxiety,

>NOTE: use Kava wisely and experiment with it in a safe place before using

it

>in a car or operating equipment because it can also have a narcotic effect.

>

>My own experiences with stress have led me to experiment successfully with

a

>combination of oat grass, skullcap, St John'swort, astragalus, devil's club

>and pulsatilla.  Your best solution is to experiment yourself.  Read good

>books and ask good questions.

>

>Good luck! :)

>

>

>







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Valerian and Valium (diazepam) are not the same thing.  However,

Valerain root extract does seem to have a weak (very weak) affinity for

binding at the same sites that benzo's like Valium, Xanax, etc. do.



Take care!

Erick



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Geoffrey Hutchinson <icgth@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:



>Hi all --

>

>I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

>Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

>had any experience taking valerian officialis?



According to the 1927 Materia Medica, long-term use of valerian

can lead to a depressed state.  Their recommended use was for

occasional, or short-term, treatment of hysteris and ionsomnia.



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I took it many times before bed and found that it did nothing to help me

sleep.  It didn't do a thing for my anxiety either.  I have tried many

herbs and found them all to be useless. Although that's just me, it could

be very different for you. 



> Hi all --

> 

> I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

> Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

> had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

> chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?

> 

> I have read that it acts as a mild benzodiazepene, except it lacks

> addictive properties.  I'm curious to see what others report.

> 

> Geoff



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Hi...

Have never used Valerian for anxiety, but it helps me sleep very well.  I do

notice also that it drives my cat crazy... if I put drops in H20 he knocks

over the glass and tries to rub up against it!  Funny, more potent than

catnip.  Good luck.

elektrobank@mailexcite.com wrote in message ...

>I took it many times before bed and found that it did nothing to help me

>sleep.  It didn't do a thing for my anxiety either.  I have tried many

>herbs and found them all to be useless. Although that's just me, it could

>be very different for you.

>

>> Hi all --

>>

>> I just started taking Valerian for my anxiety (I'm also on St. John's

>> Wort and don't really know if it is doing anything for me).  Has anyone

>> had any experience taking valerian officialis?  Has it helped for

>> chronic anxiety and at what doses has it been used at?

>>

>> I have read that it acts as a mild benzodiazepene, except it lacks

>> addictive properties.  I'm curious to see what others report.

>>

>> Geoff







From timothyt@bright.net Fri Jun 12 18:14:06 1998

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From: "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

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Subject: Re: Valerian for anxiety?

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On 11 Jun 1998 19:02:31 GMT, 

David Wright  <wright@nospam.clam > wrote:



>Valium is not made from valerian -- they have nothing in common except

>similar-sounding names.



It's an unfortunate simularity in the words. I once heard where the 

drug company derived the word Valium, but I forget the details. I 

do recall it has nothing to do with Valerian. Only thing they have 

remotely in common is they are both for nerves/anxiety. Yet, they

are not chemically related in any way. Valium is potentially very

addictive. Valerian is not.





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From: SiCKoVit <s001aoh@discover.wright.edu>

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Any one heard of canthaxtin and its properties of side effect.

It is a part of the carotiniod. 



			Thanx 

				Andre









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From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

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SiCKoVit wrote:

> 

> Any one heard of canthaxtin and its properties of side effect.

> It is a part of the carotiniod.



The correct spelling is canthaxanthin. If is use as an orange food

coloring. It is related to beta carotene, but has no accepted

nutritional value. Some people take it as an artificial (inside-out)

tanning agent. However, I would be concerned about that since it has

lately been found to congregate in the retina.



J Am Optom Assoc 1996 Nov;67(11):690-692 

Canthaxanthine retinopathy.

Bloomenstein MR, Pinkert RB

Barnet Dulaney Eye Center, Phoenix, AZ 85018, USA. 



BACKGROUND: A 42-year-old white female complaining of decreased vision

was examined and small golden particles

were found in the macular regions of both eyes. It was ascertained that

the patient had been using an oral bronzing agent, canthaxanthine

(Orobronze), for the previous 10 years. METHODS: The method of

deposition of these crystalline particles and their possible sequela are

presented. The differential diagnosis of this condition is also

described. RESULTS: In this case a crystalline retinopathy was induced

by the oral ingestion of a bronzing agent. CONCLUSIONS: Although the

gold-like particles have no visual consequences, it is important for the

clinician and the patient to be aware of their etiology. 





However, it was recently shown to have anticancer chemotherapeutic

properties (as does vitamin A and many carotenoids):



Carcinogenesis 1998 Feb;19(2):373-376 

Canthaxanthin induces apoptosis in human cancer cell lines.

Palozza P, Maggiano N, Calviello G, Lanza P, Piccioni E, Ranelletti FO,

Bartoli GM

Institute of General Pathology, Catholic University, Rome, Italy. 



To investigate the possibility that canthaxanthin inhibits cancer cell

growth by inducing apoptosis, human WiDr colon adenocarcinoma and

SK-MEL-2 melanoma cells were treated with two different doses of the

carotenoid for 48 h. Canthaxanthin was incorporated and/or associated to

cells. The treatment with the carotenoid caused growth inhibition in

both cell types. Concomitantly, apoptosis was induced. Increasing time

of exposure and carotenoid concentration, this effect was more

pronounced. At 48 h, the percentages of apoptotic cells were 13 and 15,

using 1 microM canthaxanthin, and 18 and 20, using 10 microM

canthaxanthin in WiDr and SK-MEL-2 cells, respectively. This study

represents the first demonstration that canthaxanthin is able to induce

apoptosis in tumour cells. 



--Tom 

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From green74@webtv.net Thu Jun 11 22:10:00 1998

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From: green74@webtv.net (Christina C)

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Dandelion leaf is excellent.  



Christina C.



From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Fri Jun 12 00:21:26 1998

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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?



also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

vampires. possibly living plants?



i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

list.



thanx in advance,

brigid



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Go to your local garden supply store and ask for a citronella plant.

Also Citronella candles are available in most grocery stores near the

picnic supplies. They do provide a little smoke, but we used three on

the back porch one night as we sat and talked for hours, and I think

there was only one bite among the four of us. 



Bryan



brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> wrote:



>hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

>garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

>something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

>this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

>oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

>

>also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

>alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

>vampires. possibly living plants?

>

>i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

>the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

>list.

>

>thanx in advance,

>brigid





From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Fri Jun 12 02:10:57 1998

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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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Subject: Re: mosquitoes

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brigid wrote:

> 

> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> 

> also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> vampires. possibly living plants?

> 

> i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> list.

> 

> thanx in advance,

> brigid



sorry, i forgot to mention that my dorm doesn't allow burning candles

(open flames is the rule book wording), or i would have tried *my*

citronella candle ;>



brigid



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Fri Jun 12 06:33:01 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> wrote:



>sorry, i forgot to mention that my dorm doesn't allow burning candles

>(open flames is the rule book wording), or i would have tried *my*

>citronella candle ;>



  Avon's "Skin so soft" Bath oil, rubbed on as a lotion, repels

almost anything - my ex and his entire survey crew used it in the

swamps of Georgia successfully.  Or you could try citronella oil

as a lotion.





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From: pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith)

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On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:27:36 -0600 (GMT), wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL

Sakowski) wrote:



> m> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:10:57 -0500

> m> Subject: Re: mosquitoes

> m> From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

>

> m> brigid wrote:

>>>

>>> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.

>

>Take spirulina (or a good B-complex of your choice  :)

>It tastes better, and mosquitoes hate the taste of "B's"

>in the blood, I guess...

>



Also, do not eat bananas! There is a compund in bananas that will

attract them like you are a light house on a dark night!  :-]





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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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Subject: Re: mosquitoes

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Eileen Smith wrote:

> >

> 

> Also, do not eat bananas! There is a compund in bananas that will

> attract them like you are a light house on a dark night!  :-]

> 



that one, even i know ;>  and it works too... i used to love to eat

bananas in summer when i was little, and mosquito bites were just part

of the season.  as i get older, i find i like not being bitten by the

pesky little buggers. :)



brigid



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brigid wrote:

> 

> Eileen Smith wrote:

> > >

> >

> > Also, do not eat bananas! There is a compund in bananas that will

> > attract them like you are a light house on a dark night!  :-]

> >

> 

> that one, even i know ;>  and it works too... i used to love to eat

> bananas in summer when i was little, and mosquito bites were just part

> of the season.  as i get older, i find i like not being bitten by the

> pesky little buggers. :)

> 

> brigid





Well now I'm glad I KNOW!! 



Fidget



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	The best thing that I have found for misquitoes and have tested in

on myself and dog while camping in Northern Ontario is a soap I bought for

the comfort of my dane.  It comes in a bar form all natural, has citronella,

camomile, comfrey and a few other things I can't remember off hand.  I

decided to try it on me and it worked rather well, was nicer to my skin

than some other soaps I have tried and the smell was rather pleasent.  

	You should be able to find it at most pet stores, that where I

came accross it.



 Jenn

	



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Find a gardening center, ask a few knowledgable people (or ask here,

even, heh!) about what color of sticky hanging paper to get. I've used

some in my garden for white flies, and managed to net 1/2 the city's

mosquito population. :-)



-Val



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brigid wrote:

> 

> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> 

> also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> vampires. possibly living plants?

> 

> i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> list.

> 

> thanx in advance,

> brigid



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> wrote:



>hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

>garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

>something to keep them out of my room,



  for starters, window screens with no holes in them.



Mosquitos are supposed to be repelled by the odor of citronella.



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brigid wrote:

> 

> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> 

> also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> vampires. possibly living plants?

> 

> i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> list.

> 

> thanx in advance,

> brigid



Pennyroyal.  I use it when every I am working outside where there is

mosquitoes.  I do not put it on my skin.  A drop on each of my shoes and

a drop on my hat does the trick.  It smells like a strong mint.  I also

noticed that the fleas do not like it either.



J9



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brigid (mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu) writes:

> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> 

> also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> vampires. possibly living plants?

> 

> i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> list.

> 

> thanx in advance,

> brigid





  Hey there,



  I'd suggest you phone any health food stores in your area and ask them

specifically for a citronella lotion. I bought one a few weeks ago and it

works great - it's citronella mixed with some other herbal oils and is

sold specifically as an insect repellant. Sorry, i'm not at home so I

can't tell you know what else is in it or what it's called.



Good luck,



Ivan Hrg





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A citronella plant, looks good, is portable so you can take it home with

you, wards off mosquitoes...rubbing leaves releases the odor, which is

actually not bad.  Avon sells a sunscreen that repels mosquitoes and deer

ticks...a very good product.  Avon also sells Skin So Soft, usu. in the

form of an oil, which repels mosquitoes, but who wants the mess of oil on

the chairs, bedspread, phone handset...you get the picture.  Good luck with

finals!

June



brigid wrote:



> hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

>

> also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> vampires. possibly living plants?

>

> i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> list.

>

> thanx in advance,

> brigid









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actually, studies on Skin So Soft show it's not effective in repelling

mosquitos.  On the other hand, i've also had good luck with citronella lotion

(found in yr local camping store) as well as DEET.. which is great if you're

hitting the rain forest.  And if you;re an adult!  the stuff can be toxic!!



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DJSampson wrote:

> 

> actually, studies on Skin So Soft show it's not effective in repelling

> mosquitos.  On the other hand, i've also had good luck with citronella lotion

> (found in yr local camping store) as well as DEET.. which is great if you're

> hitting the rain forest.  And if you;re an adult!  the stuff can be toxic!!





I thought DEET was banned?   Can't find it anywhere here.  Skin So Soft

has never done a thing for me! - and I have gotten to hate that smell

myself - I don't wanna be near me either!!  LOL



I eat lots of garlic which is supposed to keep them away...that doesn't

work either!  Let's face it - I HAVE SWEET BLOOD!  Anyone have any other

ideas?



Fidget



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Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:



>> actually, studies on Skin So Soft show it's not effective in repelling

>> mosquitos.

  Perhaps they just skid off the slippery skin and crash-land on

the floor instead, but my ex husband's survey crews swore by it.

They were working in swamps.



>I eat lots of garlic which is supposed to keep them away...that doesn't

>work either!  

  Brewers yeast is supposed to have a repellent effect. 



> Let's face it - I HAVE SWEET BLOOD!

  Some people are definitley MORE attractive to them, and I think

it's genetic. I can walk through a cloud of mosquitos.  My sister

would end up drained of blood and covered in welts.



  Physical barriers are most effective: have you considered

draping your room in a mosquito net?





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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:

> 

> >> actually, studies on Skin So Soft show it's not effective in repelling

> >> mosquitos.

>   Perhaps they just skid off the slippery skin and crash-land on

> the floor instead, but my ex husband's survey crews swore by it.

> They were working in swamps.

> 

> >I eat lots of garlic which is supposed to keep them away...that doesn't

> >work either!

>   Brewers yeast is supposed to have a repellent effect.

> 

> > Let's face it - I HAVE SWEET BLOOD!



i'm probably stating the obvious, but a reduction of bananas in the diet

during summer helps a lot of people.



>   Some people are definitley MORE attractive to them, and I think

> it's genetic. I can walk through a cloud of mosquitos.  My sister

> would end up drained of blood and covered in welts.

> 

>   Physical barriers are most effective: have you considered

> draping your room in a mosquito net?





i'm not sure that i could do that without seriously upsetting myself...

my room is *SMALL*  <g>  anyway, i finally went with the citronella

plant - it smells strong, but i'm glad it doesn't smell bad!!  i'll keep

you posted on my "progres".



thanks to everyone who replied!



brigid



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How about citronella EO mixes w/ witch hazel and a little apple cider vinegar

in a spritzer bottle?



From n25s@email.msn.com Mon Jun 15 23:31:03 1998

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Hi



Try Chamomile....

With the tea splashed over your face, arms, hands, and feet, mosquitoes

won't come near you.

It has a sweet, apple like smell and is also good for keeping gnats and

summer flies away.



Good Luck.....



Dan.



brigid wrote in message <35804A56.3686@acs.tamu.edu>...

>hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

>garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

>something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

>this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

>oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

>

>also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

>alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

>vampires. possibly living plants?

>

>i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

>the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

>list.

>

>thanx in advance,

>brigid







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Watch out for bees and wasps, though.



-Val





Neil Stone wrote:

> 

> Hi

> 

> Try Chamomile....

> With the tea splashed over your face, arms, hands, and feet, mosquitoes

> won't come near you.

> It has a sweet, apple like smell and is also good for keeping gnats and

> summer flies away.

> 

> Good Luck.....

> 

> Dan.

> 

> brigid wrote in message <35804A56.3686@acs.tamu.edu>...

> >hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> >garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> >something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> >this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> >oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> >

> >also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

> >alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> >vampires. possibly living plants?

> >

> >i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> >the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> >list.

> >

> >thanx in advance,

> >brigid



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Try some Eucalpytus Oil or Camphor Oil....insects steer clear of these two.

 millenum@lcc.net



Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote in article

<3585B190.B8997DB5@home.com>...

> Watch out for bees and wasps, though.

> 

> -Val

> 

> 

> Neil Stone wrote:

> > 

> > Hi

> > 

> > Try Chamomile....

> > With the tea splashed over your face, arms, hands, and feet, mosquitoes

> > won't come near you.

> > It has a sweet, apple like smell and is also good for keeping gnats and

> > summer flies away.

> > 

> > Good Luck.....

> > 

> > Dan.

> > 

> > brigid wrote in message <35804A56.3686@acs.tamu.edu>...

> > >hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

> > >garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

> > >something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

> > >this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

> > >oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

> > >

> > >also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there

were

> > >alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

> > >vampires. possibly living plants?

> > >

> > >i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

> > >the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

> > >list.

> > >

> > >thanx in advance,

> > >brigid

> 



From sorry@nospam.com Sat Jun 20 02:30:02 1998

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On 19 Jun 1998 02:48:23 GMT, "Cheryl Glenn" <millenum@lcc.net> wrote:



>Try some Eucalpytus Oil or Camphor Oil....insects steer clear of these two.

> millenum@lcc.net



Try starting with one part each of these two, adding one part oil of

neem and adding the admixture to about 6 parts aloe vera gel.

This is a nice combo.

Paul





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In article <35804A56.3686@acs.tamu.edu>, brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

writes

>hi!  i have a problem in my dorm: mosquitoes.  i have started taking

>garlic pills again to ward them off of my person, but i also need

>something to keep them out of my room, or finals will be excruciating

>this summer.  i have had a lot friends suggest using garlic essential

>oil and cutting it with mineral oil.  how much should i use to cut it?

>

>also, i'm not really enamoured of garlic, i was wondering if there were

>alternatives to having my room smell like i was trying to ward off

>vampires. possibly living plants?

>

>i would appreciate a lot of responses because if i go in with a list,

>the stores around here will be sure to have at least one thing on the

>list.

>

>thanx in advance,

>brigid

Brigid,

        I find Citronella candles effective, though I don't know if

they're as readily available in Texas as they are here in England. Don't

burn them continuously indoors, just enough to fill the dorm with its

lemony smell. Good luck for your finals, hope you have good air-

conditioning!

                Philip.

-- 

Philip Ward-Ackland



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Hi all,

I'm interested in joining your newsgroup, and wonder where I can find a FAQ for

it. Thanks very much!



vivia in seattle



PS/ are there any Web rings on herbs that anyone knows of?  I have many that I

grow decoratively, and want to use them more.



thanks again.

Watch my PBS special "Escape from Affluenza" July 7 at 9pm (check local

listings)



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I was wondering if any one has any information on the herbal tea made by

Laci Le Beau corporation.  I have heard reports that's it is unsafe.  I

would like to take the tea for occasional use only , along with my

current weight loss program, and was wondering if this could cause

possible health problems.

Brooke

please respond to e-mail also

luvemdanes@webtv.net



From kyra@flash.net Fri Jun 12 03:57:56 1998

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From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: herbal tea safety

Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:57:56 -0500

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LuvEmDanes@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> I was wondering if any one has any information on the herbal tea 

> made by Laci Le Beau corporation.  I have heard reports that's it 

> is unsafe.  I would like to take the tea for occasional use only, 

> along with my current weight loss program, and was wondering if 

> this could cause possible health problems.



I believe this is the 'weight loss tea' which contains Ma Huang.  ?

Despite all the hype and hysteria, it should be a reasonably safe

product when taken in moderate amounts by persons with no

contraindicating health problems.  If, on the other hand, you 

are an Olympic athlete or otherwise subject to random and periodic 

urine tests for drugs on the IOC prohibition list, you should 

never consume this herb....



-Kyra



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Hi,

  My father is being tested for prostate problems.  I believe it is enlarged at

this time.  Does anyone have an idea as to what will help him?  I have heard

that kelp added to his salt is good.  I am open to any suggestions at this

time.



Thanks

Pegi



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Pegi66 wrote in message <1998061201285100.VAA01970@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Hi,

>  My father is being tested for prostate problems.  I believe it is enlarged at

>this time.  Does anyone have an idea as to what will help him?  I have heard

>that kelp added to his salt is good.  I am open to any suggestions at this

>time.

>





You may want to investigate Saw Palmetto, as it's usually recommend for prostate

problems.







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Pegi66 wrote:

> 

> Hi,

>   My father is being tested for prostate problems.  I believe it is enlarged at

> this time.  Does anyone have an idea as to what will help him?  I have heard

> that kelp added to his salt is good.  I am open to any suggestions at this

> time.

> 

> Thanks

> Pegi





I have heard that pumpkin seeds are really good.  Eating vegetables from

the cabbage family helps.  Tomatoes in any form is also supposed to be

good.  



J9



From healer@ar.com.au Sun Jun 14 14:47:58 1998

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Saw Palmetto is one of the best herbs for anything to do with the prostate.  Also

you must start him on a supplement of zinc.  Zinc is nearly always indicated where

prostate problems are found.



He must reduce alcohol including beer.  Alcohol really aggrevates an enlarged

prostate.  You should go to the health food store and pick up a "mens support"

formula,  they usually contain all the necessary goodies for the job.



Hope this helps.



Pegi66 wrote:



> Hi,

>   My father is being tested for prostate problems.  I believe it is enlarged at

> this time.  Does anyone have an idea as to what will help him?  I have heard

> that kelp added to his salt is good.  I am open to any suggestions at this

> time.

>

> Thanks

> Pegi









From wlwrx@aol.com Mon Jun 15 04:50:59 1998

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As mentioned before, saw palmetto and zinc have been shown in clinical studies

to help.  Soy extract (available in capsule form and in certain foods) is

thought to help.  There are prescription drugs available, but the things I

mentioned do not require a prescription. 

(Some drugs that do require a prescription are Hytrin, Flomax, and Proscar,

among others).  Let me know if you need any further information by e-mail or in

this newsgroup.

Billy Williamson, Pharm D



From tmatth@netcom.ca Mon Jun 15 12:15:40 1998

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From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

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Subject: Re: Prostate (hope I spelled it right)

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Pegi66 wrote:



>   My father is being tested for prostate problems.  I believe it is enlarged at

> this time.  Does anyone have an idea as to what will help him?  I have heard

> that kelp added to his salt is good.  I am open to any suggestions at this

> time.



I have never heard of using kelp although the carotenoids in it might

help.

Saw palmetto, pygeum, and urtica dioica extracts have been used in

Europe with good effect for decades. For products and prices see the web

site below.



Also the prescription drug Proscar will help.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE - The ultimate source for new

health and medical findings from around the world.



From mmcavoy@my-dejanews.com Fri Jun 12 04:43:05 1998

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Subject: Please Translate

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:43:05 GMT

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Could someone please tell me the common names for the following herbs?



- Coptidis Rhisoma

- Scutellaiae Radix

- Gardeniae Fructus

- Phellodendri Wilsonii



If possible, please email the reply, as I do not always have access to the

newsgroup for the time being.



thank you!



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From holliday@nep.net Fri Jun 12 05:36:47 1998

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My daughter can never get alittle bout of Poison Ivy, Poison Oak, or

Posion Sumac.  Although she thoroughly washes w/soap and water, it

spreads.  Yes, I wash the clothes and linen ASAP, because of the nature

of the Oil of these plants, and recently read that alcolhol acts as a

solvent to apply topically...anybody have any success with IvyBlock?

Are there natural preventative or treatment measures?  Last

question...do all of the 3 show the same manifestations on the skin?

Thanks, June





From geoffh@asu.edu Fri Jun 12 09:07:01 1998

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From: Geoff Hutchinson <geoffh@asu.edu>

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Subject: Irritable bowel syndrome: help?

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Hi all --



I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.



Geoff



P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too in

times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the time...









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In article <3580C474.98C33D6@asu.edu>, Geoff Hutchinson <geoffh@asu.edu> writes:

>Hi all --

>

>I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

>for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

>taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

>something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

>alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

>anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

>there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

>

>Geoff

>

>P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too in

>times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

>take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the time...





	I talked to a professor the other day that had success taking care of

IBS through chiropractic care.  Steve



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Hi, this is Patty, Tim's fiancee. For IBS, take (very important) peppermint oil. The

oil MUST be in enteric coated capsules or it will be absolved too soon. Also, cats

claw is supposed to be good but it is expensive.

Also, I hear valerium root is good. However, the peppermint oil in the enteric

coated capsules is what I hear over and over again in the research for IBS.



Patty



agocs_s@dd.palmer.edu wrote:



> In article <3580C474.98C33D6@asu.edu>, Geoff Hutchinson <geoffh@asu.edu> writes:

> >Hi all --

> >

> >I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> >for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> >taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> >something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> >alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> >anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> >there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> >

> >Geoff

> >

> >P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too in

> >times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

> >take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the time...

>

>         I talked to a professor the other day that had success taking care of

> IBS through chiropractic care.  Steve









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Geoff Hutchinson (geoffh@asu.edu) wrote:

> I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.



I take acidopholis and find that it works for me quite well.  I also

eat plenty of fresh fruit and veggies and whole grain foods.



Snit



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Ramblings about my journey toward recovery.  



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Diet changes are the key. Healing herbs will not work without diet =

changes.

During the acute stage--go on a mono diet for 2 days with apples and =

apple juice.

Then, eat a low fat, mild diet with plenty of soluble fiber, but low =

roughage. Foods should be mildly cooked, never fried, with few spices or =

salts.

Include fresh fruits, fruit fiber from prunes, apples and raisins, green =

salads with olive oil and lemon dressing, whole grain cereals--oatmeal =

and brown rice-- and steamed vegetables.

Drink a glass of mixed vegetable juice once a day for the first 2 weeks. =



Eat  cultured foods--yogurt and kefir--for friendly intestinal flora.

Drink fresh carrot juice 3 times a week.

Keep your body wee hydrated. Drink distilled water.

Eat smaller, more frequent meals.

Avoid coffee and all caffeine containing foods: nuts, seeds, dairy foods =

and citrus fruits while healing. Spicy food is also an irritant.

Drink aloe vera juice.

That should get you started with diet.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









From mdjcpa@usit.net Fri Jun 12 17:15:10 1998

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Geoff Hutchinson wrote:

> 

> Hi all --

> 

> I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> 

> Geoff



Geoff~



You might want to check out this site if you haven't seen it:



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In article <358137EE.909@usit.net>,

  petals@petalsoflife.com wrote:

>

> Geoff Hutchinson wrote:

> >

> > Hi all --

> >

> > I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> > for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> > taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> > something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> > alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> > anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> > there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> >

> > Geoff

>

>

>

> --



Geoff, I was also on a medication(buspar) years back for the same thing. I

have IBS. All I can do is tell you what helped me.  Ever since I started a

regular exersize routine(weight lifting and cardio) I started taking a

multivitamin and a protein drink(Designer), my husband even noticed the

difference.  He said it must be that.  I think so also.  Whenever I get off

my routine and don't have time to take the supplements, I do feel the

difference.  Also, do you know if you are lactose intolerant.  I can't drink

milk or eat icecream etc, I use Lactaid milk, not pills. It's called Lactaid

100.  I also use ricemilk in my morning special K.  You can also buy

ricedream icecream. It's made with ricemilk. You really have to see what

works for you. You have to experiment until you find what works.  Another

thing is Sugar. Oh boy! if I have too much I really feel it. I had cake last

week and I wasn't right for days. Fiber, you need eneough fiber in your diet

every day. I can't eat many fruits and vegs, so I eat high fiber bread, and

drink allot of fluids BUT NOT TOO MUCH AT ONCE. If I do that I'm bent over

for a while with pains in my belly. I also can't get the stress out of my

life. I have 2 children that constantly fight etc. I hope this helps. If you

decide to try it, let me know how you do. E mail me. Take care Terri



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<<You can also buy

ricedream icecream. It's made with ricemilk. >>



keep in mind that some of the lactose free Ice Creams (such as Tofutti premium)

are almost as fatteing as Ben and Jerrys --- the one i jsut bought was a

surprising 11G of fat pers erving - and fat can be a problem with IBS as well

---



look into a brand cld Sweet Nothings -- dairy free sweetened without sugar and

im pretty sure (going on memory) is fat free





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

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JiaStar wrote:

> 

> <<You can also buy

> ricedream icecream. It's made with ricemilk. >>

> 

> keep in mind that some of the lactose free Ice Creams (such as Tofutti premium)

> are almost as fatteing as Ben and Jerrys --- the one i jsut bought was a

> surprising 11G of fat pers erving - and fat can be a problem with IBS as well

> ---

> 

> look into a brand cld Sweet Nothings -- dairy free sweetened without sugar 





Does that "sweetened without sugar" product contain aspartame?  Most

times it does and I would advise that you keep looking for another

alternative if this is so.



Fidget





and

> im pretty sure (going on memory) is fat free

> 

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong

> Celestial Creations

> http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

> Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more



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<<Does that "sweetened without sugar" product contain aspartame?  Most

times it does and I would advise that you keep looking for another

alternative if this is so.>>



think its rice syrup or fruit juice concentrate ---



I know theres no aspart.

Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

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Geoff;



I also have IBS and was a "slave" to a pharmacalogical called "loperimide"

(also an Immodium based medication). I went to an herbologist and she

suggested Slippery Elm Bark. I went to my local health store and bought

Slippery Elm in capsules. I Was taking one in the AM and one in the PM to

begin with, and also included some chewable papaya-based enzyme capsules

after meals (for digestion). Now I only need the Slippery Elm once a day

(usually in the AM) and the papaya enzyme capsules after meals and the IBS

(associated symptoms) have disappeared. Also, another contributing factor

for your IBS (intestinal symptoms) could be lactose intolerance. During

this whole process I also switched to a lactose reduced milk and I'm sure

that has alot to do with the fact that my lower GI tract is now much

calmer.

Diana 



Geoff Hutchinson <geoffh@asu.edu> wrote in article

<3580C474.98C33D6@asu.edu>...

> Hi all --

> 

> I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem

now

> for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> 

> Geoff

> 

> P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too

in

> times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

> take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the

time...

> 

> 

> 

> 



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Geoff, I use 2 products every day for my colon...for me, they have worked...



One is an herbal/enzymatic concentrate that I make a tea from, and take

twice a day...and the other is an herbal prep that comes in a capsule,

that I mix with the tea...I take one or two caps a night...



good luck to you...



also, don't take caffene, but you prolly know that??



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Geoff Hutchinson wrote:

> 

> Hi all --

> 

> I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> 

> Geoff

> 

> P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too in

> times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

> take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the time...



i had ibs for 50 yrs until i found out it was caused by eating wheat.

try avoiding wheat, msg, maltodextrin, and hydolyzed vegetable protein.



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If a wheat free (gluten free) diet helped you, then you didn't

have IBS, you had a gluten intolerance.  Still, wouldn't hurt for

anyone to try a gluten free diet and see if it helped.



Susie





Fidget wrote:

> 

> jwwright wrote:

> >

> > Geoff Hutchinson wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi all --

> > >

> > > I've been taking an antidepressant that has helped with my IBS problem now

> > > for several years.  Due to the expense involved and the fact that I'm now

> > > taking St. John's Wort, I want to get off this antidepressant and take

> > > something for IBS.  Has anyone had any success using any herbs or

> > > alternative medicines to treat this?  I know that my IBS stems back to my

> > > anxiety, so I know it is most likely a stress related problem.  And yet

> > > there is only so much I can do for my anxiety.  Thanks.

> > >

> > > Geoff

> > >

> > > P.S.  Taking generic immodium A-D on a daily basis also works for me too in

> > > times of really high stress (since my problem is diarrhea).  I'd rather

> > > take something else though that isn't so "pharmacological" all the time...

> >

> > i had ibs for 50 yrs until i found out it was caused by eating wheat.

> > try avoiding wheat, msg, maltodextrin, and hydolyzed vegetable protein.

> 

> What is hydrolyzed vegetable protein anyway?  Some of these ingredients

> confuse the daylights out of me!

> 

> Fidget





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suequill wrote:

> 

> If a wheat free (gluten free) diet helped you, then you didn't

> have IBS, you had a gluten intolerance.  Still, wouldn't hurt for

> anyone to try a gluten free diet and see if it helped.

> 

> Susie



i just found a product for those of you who can't stand life without

bread... deglutenized corn flour.  i found it at the brazos natural

valley health foods, so i think it will probably be at any major

"natural foods store".  a place where they sell organic products and the

like.



okay.  i know this sounds obvious, but i first read the posts about not

having gluten, and i thought "man, i'd die without bread".  so i thought

it was impotant enough to post.



brigid



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Robin wrote:

> 

> >

> > i just found a product for those of you who can't stand life without

> > bread... deglutenized corn flour.  i found it at the brazos natural

> > valley health foods, so i think it will probably be at any major

> > "natural foods store".  a place where they sell organic products and the

> > like.

> >

> > okay.  i know this sounds obvious, but i first read the posts about not

> > having gluten, and i thought "man, i'd die without bread".  so i thought

> > it was impotant enough to post.

> >

> > brigid

> 

> Do you use the flour to make your own bread, or does it come already made

> in loaves?





i buy Wonder bread <g>... i just thought this was a cool alternative for

those who have gluten allergies.  :)  this stuff was in flour-form, so i

assume that it could be adapted to a bread recipe for those who make

their own bread.  but i don't know much about cooking (i literally

thought a garlic bulb was structured like an onion bulb cause their in

the same family :), so i couldn't tell you how to adapt recipes for it.



brigid



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Vrondi wrote:

> 

> On 12 Jun 1998 21:31:58 GMT, "Diana O'Byrne" <DLPa@pge.com> wrote:

> >(associated symptoms) have disappeared. Also, another contributing factor

> >for your IBS (intestinal symptoms) could be lactose intolerance. During

> >this whole process I also switched to a lactose reduced milk and I'm sure

> >that has alot to do with the fact that my lower GI tract is now much

> >calmer.

> >Diana

> 

> This was something I've sort of noticed myself lately.  I just

> realized the other day that many of my problems have disappeared this

> summer.  i tried to think of what had changed in my eating habits.

> The only thing I can think of is that I'm only having milk once per

> day (as opposed to with every meal).  So for me, a little milk is

> apparently fine.  It is the large amounts that cause trouble.  Perhaps

> this is a contributing factor in other cases too.

> -Vrondi





If a lactose intolerance is your problem, you should also be aware that

there are many processed foods that contain some form of milk.  If the

label says nonfat dry milk that will cause trouble as well.  I know it

does for me as I also suffer with LI and IBS.



Fidget



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See the regimen on my web page at

http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

in the maladies section (I don't sell anything.)



To start, immediately chew well a teaspoon

of fennel seeds.  You will be amazed

at the relief.



turf







From RosemaryConte@worldnet.att.net Wed Jun 24 01:50:33 1998

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From: "Rosemary Conte" <RosemaryConte@worldnet.att.net>

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Subject: Re: Irritable bowel syndrome: help?

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Irritable bowel syndrome's root cause is emotional.  You've probably heard

it before...so, just a reminder that, meditation or simply sitting quietly

practicing a deep breathing exercise for 5 or 10 minutes twice a day...or

at least once, can teach the body and its organs what "calm"  feels like. 

It's interrupting the pattern of emotional chaos and nervousness.  I'll be

happy to share info on breathing exercises if you need.

Rosemary Conte



turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<6mp7jm$qgm$2@samsara0.mindspring.com>...

> See the regimen on my web page at

> http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

> in the maladies section (I don't sell anything.)

> 

> To start, immediately chew well a teaspoon

> of fennel seeds.  You will be amazed

> at the relief.

> 

> turf

> 

> 

> 



From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 02:10:15 1998

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I have always been under the impresion that IBS was emotional AND physical.

Anybody got any thoughts on that?

I do know that IBS is part of the "affective spectrum" - I think. I just know

that it is common with a lot of other disorders in the brain.

Does anybody know of the cause of IBS and why some of us have it and some

don't?

Patty



Rosemary Conte wrote:



> Irritable bowel syndrome's root cause is emotional.  You've probably heard

> it before...so, just a reminder that, meditation or simply sitting quietly

> practicing a deep breathing exercise for 5 or 10 minutes twice a day...or

> at least once, can teach the body and its organs what "calm"  feels like.

> It's interrupting the pattern of emotional chaos and nervousness.  I'll be

> happy to share info on breathing exercises if you need.

> Rosemary Conte

>

> turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote in article

> <6mp7jm$qgm$2@samsara0.mindspring.com>...

> > See the regimen on my web page at

> > http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

> > in the maladies section (I don't sell anything.)

> >

> > To start, immediately chew well a teaspoon

> > of fennel seeds.  You will be amazed

> > at the relief.

> >

> > turf

> >

> >

> >









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From: aca3@netaxs.com (Arthur Anderson)

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Patty (no|spam|pa@navicom.com) wrote:

: I have always been under the impresion that IBS was emotional AND physical.

: Anybody got any thoughts on that?

: I do know that IBS is part of the "affective spectrum" - I think. I just know

: that it is common with a lot of other disorders in the brain.

: Does anybody know of the cause of IBS and why some of us have it and some

: don't?



IBS can be based on hormonal dysfunctions, and those dysfunctions 

can upset neurochemistry in various ways. Like wise, neurochemistry 

(via psychology) can upset hormone/neurotransmitter balance, and 

influence IBS. Either way, IBS should be evaluated on a case by 

case basis since both situations are likely. It's really a matter 

of individual biological/psychological bias.



					Best Wishes,

					Arthur





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From: ".Peter Moran" <pjmoran@gil.com.au>

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Jon Guite <jon@skcldv.demon.co.uk> wrote in article

<GYuGOAAEmEk1EwMB@skcldv.demon.co.uk>...

> In article <6mpbfp$t5k@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Rosemary Conte

> <RosemaryConte@worldnet.att.net> writes

> >Irritable bowel syndrome's root cause is emotional.  You've probably

heard

> >it before...so, just a reminder that, meditation or simply sitting

quietly

> >practicing a deep breathing exercise for 5 or 10 minutes twice a

day...or

> >at least once, can teach the body and its organs what "calm"  feels

like. 

> >It's interrupting the pattern of emotional chaos and nervousness.  I'll

be

> >happy to share info on breathing exercises if you need.

> >Rosemary Conte

> >

> Ronsmary - quit trying to dupe people.  You have been exposed as an

> exploitative fraud, who preys on the vulnerable.  Just FOAD!!

> -- 

> Jon Guite

> When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return

address

> 



Jon's comment is quite unfair in relation to this post of Rosemary's.  Many

patients with the irritable bowel syndrome are aware that it plays up when

they are under stress, and clinical studies show a correlation of symptoms

with indicators of psychological distress such as anxiety scores, etc. 

Meditation may well help.



P Moran



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From: Cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper)

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Subject: Re: Irritable bowel syndrome: help?

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In article <01bd9f3b$07482f60$7a222fca@pjmoran>

           pjmoran@gil.com.au ".Peter Moran" writes:



> Jon's comment is quite unfair in relation to this post of Rosemary's.  Many

> patients with the irritable bowel syndrome are aware that it plays up when

> they are under stress, and clinical studies show a correlation of symptoms

> with indicators of psychological distress such as anxiety scores, etc. 

> Meditation may well help.



Jon's comment is prefectly reasonable. Not only is Rosemary

Conte a disruptive and malicious troll out to scalp

people for money, but her comments were factually wrong.

IBS does *not* have an 'emotional cause' and to suggest 

it does is potentially harmful. It risks leading people 

into the labyrinth of quack pseudo-medicine, where her kind 

lurks to profit, like so many leeches.



-- 

Gary Cooper





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Subject: Re: Irritable bowel syndrome: help?

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In article <01bd9f3b$07482f60$7a222fca@pjmoran>, .Peter Moran

<pjmoran@gil.com.au> writes

>

>Jon's comment is quite unfair in relation to this post of Rosemary's.  Many

>patients with the irritable bowel syndrome are aware that it plays up when

>they are under stress, and clinical studies show a correlation of symptoms

>with indicators of psychological distress such as anxiety scores, etc. 

>Meditation may well help.

>

>P Moran

Peter - check your facts before placing your boot squarely in your

mouth.  Rosemary Conte aka Ron Shelley has been peddling snake oil

remedies around the support groups for some months now.  She/he/it

seems to be able to cure almost anything by phone in return for your

credit card number !!  I am not disputing that stress may worsen IBS.  I

am simply trying to warn people away from a fraudulent therapist.

-- 

Jon Guite

When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address



From ???@??? Thu Jun 25 01:29:06 1998

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.Peter Moran wrote:



> Jon's comment is quite unfair in relation to this post of Rosemary's.  Many

> patients with the irritable bowel syndrome are aware that it plays up when

> they are under stress, and clinical studies show a correlation of symptoms

> with indicators of psychological distress such as anxiety scores, etc.

> Meditation may well help.

>

> P Moran



I think Jon was trying to point out that it is not stress alone that causes

IBS, it only aggravates it. Some of  us have IBS and some of us don't - it's

not because some of us are under more stress than others.



The remark that says stress alone causes IBS is naive without further

explanation of this disorder.

Patty







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In article <6mpbfp$t5k@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>

           RosemaryConte@worldnet.att.net "Rosemary Conte" writes:



> Irritable bowel syndrome's root cause is emotional.  You've probably heard

> it before...so, just a reminder that, meditation or simply sitting quietly

> practicing a deep breathing exercise for 5 or 10 minutes twice a day...or

> at least once, can teach the body and its organs what "calm"  feels like. 

> It's interrupting the pattern of emotional chaos and nervousness.  I'll be

> happy to share info on breathing exercises if you need.

> Rosemary Conte



Nonsense! Try telling that to a gastroenterologist. IBS 

has a multitude of causes (many still unknown). While it

*may* in some people be exacerbated by psychiological

factors, to say its root cause is "emotional" is exactly

the sort of thing one would expect to hear from this

bogus, self-styled "therapist".



Once again la Conte reveals the encyclopaedic depths of 

her ignorance.



-- 

Gary Cooper





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From: Jon Guite <jon@skcldv.demon.co.uk>

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Subject: Re: Irritable bowel syndrome: help?

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In article <6ms61g$f6u@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Rosemary Conte

<RosemaryConte@worldnet.att.net> writes

>If the stress...anger, disappointment, other emotional pain has already

>ravaged the body...well, there is a point of no return for ordinary people.

>Rosemary Conte

>

And I assume that the point of no return financially is when some

desperate person gives a plausible fraud like you their credit card

number.  You have been rumbled Ronsmary - now sod off! Have a nasty day

:)

-- 

Jon Guite

When replying by email, please remove the trailing x from my return address



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Turf,



Ginger, goldenseal, and acidophilus are all extremely helpful, too, in

treating this disorder.  



Delores



turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<6n7pf1$puq$1@camel18.mindspring.com>...

> Cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper) wrote:

> 

> >> beyond what they have learned in their traditional training to

understand

> >> the mind-body connection.  Once the emotions, particularly unexpressed

> 

> >But none, save the clearly barking, who would back your

> >absurd contention that IBS is *caused*  (as opposed

> >to influenced) by emotional disturbances.

> 

> I agree.  But, isn't the conventional medical

> opinion the cause is usually psychosomatic (since they typically

> cannot even palliate, much less cure, it) , I would say we can't whap

> on her too much.  

> 

> Not that I have a large amount of experience in

> recommending treatment for the disorder, but I have never seen anyone

> fail to respond to eating turmeric and fennel seeds - not a complete

> cure for many people, but it helps everyone I have seen.  Complete

> regimen on my non-commercial web page.

> 

> turf

> 

> 



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"lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:



>Ginger, goldenseal, and acidophilus are all extremely helpful, too, in

>treating this disorder.  



True, especially DDS-1 strain acidophilus.  But this (and goldenseal)

are expensive.  What is really amazing is the vast number of herb

and other supplements which would probably greatly alleviate 

if not cure the condition.  Just about any decent

antibacterial/antiparasitic supplement will work, and there are

hundreds.  But, for bang for the buck, nothing beats turmeric

and fennel seeds,  I have found.



turf





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From: Lewis M Coward <highlander@icon.co.za>

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I need help to stop smoking ... and natural cures  / aid  PLEASE !!



Keren Coward





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I quit smoking last week. I am now smoke free one week and 1 day.   It is one

of the hardest things I have ever done. I am doing it cold turkey.  



Try chewing mints, cigar rest gum is also good,  carrots,  sucking on lemons, 

lollipops, drinking water and deep breathes.  When you feel the urge,  go for a

walk. Do anything you can that you would have done before and not smoked during

it, like walking or bike riding. 



There is a newsgroup that offers support. Alt.stopsmoking.support  or something

like that. Do a news group search for it.  It's worth it,  there are a lot of

people on there at different levels of quitting, lots of advice and very little

spam. 



Good luck. Remember,  it's really worth it to quit.  Keep taking aspirin for

those first few days of headaches. 







From ttav@dircon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 21:46:06 1998

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Sunmachin wrote:

> 

> I quit smoking last week. I am now smoke free one week and 1 day.   It is one

> of the hardest things I have ever done. I am doing it cold turkey.

> 

> Try chewing mints, cigar rest gum is also good,  carrots,  sucking on lemons,

> lollipops, drinking water and deep breathes.  When you feel the urge,  go for a

> walk. Do anything you can that you would have done before and not smoked during

> it, like walking or bike riding.

> 

> There is a newsgroup that offers support. Alt.stopsmoking.support  or something

> like that. Do a news group search for it.  It's worth it,  there are a lot of

> people on there at different levels of quitting, lots of advice and very little

> spam.

> 

> Good luck. Remember,  it's really worth it to quit.  Keep taking aspirin for

> those first few days of headaches.



Hello there  the newsgroup is alt.support.stop-smoking  lots of support

and lots of fun.

Tony

Two months, three weeks, five days, 12 hours, 30 minutes and 29 seconds.

3500 cigarettes not smoked, saving 594.86. Life saved: 1 week, 5 days,

3 hours, 40 minutes.



--

Tony    Scotland

Is fhearr fheuchainn na bhith san duil

(It`s better to try than to hope)



From nohow-noway@nowhere.com Mon Jun 15 03:58:00 1998

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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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Use blood purifying herbs. Addictions are in the blood stream. Clean =

blood, no addiction, no withdrawals.

That's how I quit. One warning--the cigarettes taste really nasty a few =

days after you begin taking the herbs. I couldn't stand it. The =

hand-to-mouth thing is really nerve-wracking. That goes away in about a =

week. For anxiety and nervousness, stress relieving herbs are great when =

quitting.



Kay

=20

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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While this may not work for you, I tried handrolling some dried catnip,

and smoking nothing but this for 2 weeks. Guess what? It worked! If you

can find catnip cigarettes in stores -WITHOUT- tobacco included in them,

TRY IT! Also, be sure to drink large amounts of water every day.



-Val



==--

NO SPAM!





Lewis M Coward wrote:

> 

> I need help to stop smoking ... and natural cures  / aid  PLEASE !!

> 

> Keren Coward



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highlander wrote::>I need help to stop smoking ... and natural cures  / aid 

PLEASE !



 

    I quit smoking during May of 1996. <blush> I admit that I used one of those

herbal-three-part deals that get spamvertised all over the place after my

husband decided it was worth a shot. 

    In the weeks leading up to finally giving in, I changed my brand  about

every time I bought smokes-went from regular to menthol, then to like the

nastiest, cheapest, most generic brand I could find-the dusty ones in the dusty

gas station. This in itself decreased my smoking enjoyment by quite a lot.  

    When I decided to use this herbal stuff-there was <ack> aromatherapy

involved that contained lavendar and -sandalwood- or something-I stopped cold

turkey and called it a day. 

    The combination of the herbal capsules, making myself sick of it to start

with, and a very supportive spouse paid off.... although I don't think, even at

this point, I've conquered the psychological aspects of it and still get that

powerful hankerin' now and then- -- - nevertheless it was not half as hard as I

thought it would be and I'm much happier for it.

     I have no clue as to what I used but a web search on 'smoking cessation'

will probably yield up some likely suspects.



anyway,

kathy

http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

time...when I have offline time...



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You can also try the following www.rational.org/recovery.  RR primarily

deals with alcohol/drugs but can be applied to nicotine as well (which is a

drug too).











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Hello, I have an unusual question. Ive heard - somewhere in the

internet - about a way to enlarge the breasts through herbs. Since Im

somewhat flatchested - and i dontt want to have implants - i think i

will give it a try. Has someone more information about that? Even more

interesting - has someone done this? If someone did it, how are the

results, the side effects and where did you get the stuff?



Thanks, Alex





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Sounds strange to me but!................. ther was an article in Natural

Health a few months ago about this..check library for back copies.Excersie.   

Love yourself first!     Marianne



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In article <35815f9e.19992972@news.lrz-muenchen.de>, alex9876@hotmail.com

(Alex) writes:



>. Ive heard - somewhere in the

>internet - about a way to enlarge the breasts through herbs. Since Im

>somewhat flatchested - and i dontt want to have implants - i think i

>will give it a try. Has someone more information about that? Even more

>interesting - has someone done this? If someone did it, how are the

>results, the side effects and where did you get the stuff?



I can tell you where to find the information, but I can't tell which herbs

because I honestly don't remember and I don't have the book in front of me.



James Duke, in his book Green Pharmacy, does discuss this in one chapter and

even gives a tea recipe. I was reading the book to do a review for a local

paper, and it just struck me because it was the first time that I'd seen it

discussed.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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The site that discusses this and has the herbs is:  



http://www.geocities.com/~ksomers/HERB/Herb.html



The herbs are Goat's Rue, Chaste Berry, Black Cohosh, and Alfalfa.

The Goat's Rue stimulates the mammary glands, the Chaste Berry and

Black Cohosh I believe stimulate estrogen.  There are different people

trying it.  Also see my discussion with Val on the site

"www.aasb.com", General section.



alex9876@hotmail.com (Alex) wrote:



>Hello, I have an unusual question. Ive heard - somewhere in the

>internet - about a way to enlarge the breasts through herbs. Since Im

>somewhat flatchested - and i dontt want to have implants - i think i

>will give it a try. Has someone more information about that? Even more

>interesting - has someone done this? If someone did it, how are the

>results, the side effects and where did you get the stuff?



>Thanks, Alex









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As a woman dealing with 38DD appendages in a world where fashion is centered

arounf very petite sized women id say enjoy them!!!!!!!!!





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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Hello,

	I suffer from a pancretatic aliment (chronic pancretitus) and am

wondering if anyone is familar with herbs useful in treating this

condition. I don't check this group everyday so you can either email me

at jrcathey@worldnet.att.net or post here.

	Thank You

	Joe



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ok first of all im not a Dr or anything Im simply quting fr 

"Prescription for Nutritional healng" by Balch and Balch



while not an herb they recomend Chromium for its insulin stabilizing efforts



digestive enzyme supplement containing pancreatin



herbally they suggest:



cedar berries, echinacea, gentian root, and goldenseal to stimulate and

stregthen the pacnreas (do not tk goldenseal internaly on a daily basis for

longer than a week at at ime 000)



dandelion root improves health of pancreas and stimulates bil eproduction



Licorice root supports all glandualr functions (do not use if u have high blood

pressure or for longer than 7 days at at ime)



Eat a diet low in fat and sugar

Elliminate alcohol





If youre on antibiotics take yogurt supplments



Stop smoking and avoid second hand smoke



make sure u have it checked regualrly as pancreatitis puts u at greater risk

for cancer in the region





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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I have some very healthy blackcurrant plants in my garden. How do I make

tea with them, is it just a case of drying/chopping?



With 'black' tea, how is it fermented to get the richer, darker colour?

I would guess it's dried/chopped and then left with a certain amount of

moisture (like the 'composting' process)?



Any advice would be welcomed, many thanks

Mart 



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On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:20:58 +0100, Martin Akehurst <martin@akeh.demon.co.uk>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I have some very healthy blackcurrant plants in my garden. How do I make

>tea with them, is it just a case of drying/chopping?



Use the leaves, dry, crush, pour boiling water over, don't let steep for too

long (if you do the tannins come out and you'll have quite an astringent

moment). Note: a lot of 'mercans believe they have black currant (Ribes nigrum),

when in fact they have a black-berried variety of golden currant (Ribes aureum

var. something-or-other). The leaves of true black currants have little yellow

dots on the underside, and if you crush a leaf you get a truly delicious scent.

THIS is what you want in your tea, not the averate rose family astringent taste

you get from most any other Ribes.



>With 'black' tea, how is it fermented to get the richer, darker colour?

>I would guess it's dried/chopped and then left with a certain amount of

>moisture (like the 'composting' process)?



Fermenting a tea: take some fresh green leaves, suitable for herbal tea (eg.

raspberry leaf (Rubus sp.), strawberry leaf (Fragaria sp.), rowanberry leaf

(Sorbus aucuparia, perhaps Sorbus sp. but I haven't tried any others), or even

meadowsweet leaf. You can try to ferment black currant leaves but the taste will

not improve. Crush the fresh leaves, make a largish ball out of them, put that

into an old-fashioned linen kitchen towel (the old-fashioned ones were -very-

tightly woven), put into a plastic bag, put into a woolen blanket, put into a

plastic bag, put eg. under your bed. Leave for a week, unpack, untangle leaves,

dry.

There are other ways, like making each little leaf into a tiny ball, pressing

all these balls together into a glass jar (filling it to the top - whew!), and

putting that onto a dehydrator for warmth. Let be for a day or two, unpack,

untangle leaves, dry. _Lots_ of work, folks; not for me, this one.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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From hmontgom@trinity.edu Fri Jun 12 23:20:59 1998

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I'm so glad I found this group!  Does anyone have an herbal/organic method to get rid of grasshoppers and ants in the garden?  I

finally have a nice garden this year that I actually get veggies and herbs out of...but they're all being eaten by hoppers and

ants.  I've tried DE, diamateous earth..don't know about spelling...anyway, it doesn't work.

Everything is being eaten, even the stalks! :(  Helen



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We have a boat restoration shop and I took the planer chips (a little

rougher than sawdust) from the mahogany boards we needed to plane.  I used

them as mulch just because I like the color.  It seemed to keep away a lot

of pests from my flowers.  It might work for your veggies too.  If there is

anyone near you who does wood working, they are probably only too glad to

get rid of the chips!

Jo



Helen Montgomery <hmontgom@trinity.edu> wrote in article

<35818DAB.2D3A60F0@trinity.edu>...

> I'm so glad I found this group!  Does anyone have an herbal/organic

method to get rid of grasshoppers and ants in the garden?  I

> finally have a nice garden this year that I actually get veggies and

herbs out of...but they're all being eaten by hoppers and

> ants.  I've tried DE, diamateous earth..don't know about

spelling...anyway, it doesn't work.

> Everything is being eaten, even the stalks! :(  Helen

> 



From holliday@nep.net Sat Jun 13 21:13:59 1998

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Hi Helen,

What works on my Tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers is spraying them w/garlic water.  (I cut up a couple cloves in a spray bottle and

add water.  Let it sit awhile and mist your plants every so often, my garden isn't that big, so it isn't that time consuming.  Don't

try it on berries, yuck.  Also try planting marigolds around your garden edge.

Happy gardening,

June



Helen Montgomery wrote:



> I'm so glad I found this group!  Does anyone have an herbal/organic method to get rid of grasshoppers and ants in the garden?  I

> finally have a nice garden this year that I actually get veggies and herbs out of...but they're all being eaten by hoppers and

> ants.  I've tried DE, diamateous earth..don't know about spelling...anyway, it doesn't work.

> Everything is being eaten, even the stalks! :(  Helen









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Also, add hot peppers to that garlic.  Jerry Baker [of PBS fame] has 

a recipe for garlic/pepper/tobacco spray, but you have to leave the

tobacco out of the mix if you are going to spray it on other

nightshades, specifically the tomatoes and peppers.  [So as to not 

risk transmitting TMV.]  And then there is good old Safer Soap, or 

*any* soap which has either a coconut or olive oil base - the carbon 

ring structure of those two oils has some naturally insecticidal 

properties, and attacks the insects' chitin.



-Kyra



HOLLIDAY wrote:

> 

> Hi Helen,

> What works on my Tomatoes, peppers, and cucumbers is spraying them w/garlic water.  (I cut up a couple cloves in a spray bottle and

> add water.  Let it sit awhile and mist your plants every so often, my garden isn't that big, so it isn't that time consuming.  Don't

> try it on berries, yuck.  Also try planting marigolds around your garden edge.

> Happy gardening,

> June

> 

> Helen Montgomery wrote:

> 

> > I'm so glad I found this group!  Does anyone have an herbal/organic method to get rid of grasshoppers and ants in the garden?  I

> > finally have a nice garden this year that I actually get veggies and herbs out of...but they're all being eaten by hoppers and

> > ants.  I've tried DE, diamateous earth..don't know about spelling...anyway, it doesn't work.

> > Everything is being eaten, even the stalks! :(  Helen



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A couple of weeks ago my wife was bitten by a brown recluse spider. 

Needless to say we didn't discover the bite until the following morning 

when she felt the large swollen (and itchy) area. By that evening there 

were several small blisters within the bite area; we made the decision to 

attempt remedying the bite herbally rather than seeking conventional 

medical treatment. Many people felt this was a rather risky decision as 

these bites soon blister and there is often a lot of pain and "flesh 

loss" - we stood by our decision and the results were astounding.

We began by using a slippery elm poultice on the first night. The 

following day we shifted to using colloidal silver both on the lesion 

and internally ( 10 drops in a glass of water). We also used astragalus 

root tincture (10 drops in a glass of water). Over the next few days the 

area became inflamed and did indeed blister. Once the blister broke we 

started using comfrey ointment over the wound area in addition to the 

colloidal silver and astragalus treatments. Unbelievably within ONE WEEK 

the area had closed, the swelling was gone and there was no more itching 

or seepage. 

We have seen these bites on other individuals, all of whom sought out 

conventional medical help, and there was massive tissue loss in the area 

of the bite. Our natural remedy relieved my wife of such pain and 

scarring effects. Hope this can be of some help to those of you 

unfortunate enough to come into close contact with these pesky spiders 

and their high potency venom.



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sat Jun 13 04:30:02 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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jack karpan <karpan@gte.net> wrote:



>A couple of weeks ago my wife was bitten by a brown recluse spider. 

  Unless you saw the spider, and had it identified, how are you

certain it was a "brown recluse" and not any other spider?



>Needless to say we didn't discover the bite until the following 

>morning when she felt the large swollen (and itchy) area.

  Brown recluse bites are NOT characterized by swelling - the

typical bite is just a painful small blister surrounded by an

area of "ischemia" (pale because the blood velssels close off)

until the surrounding tissue dies and the ulcer spreads.

  Most of the solitary hunting spiders have a nasty bite which

produces exactly the symptoms you describe: large swelling,

itchy, with tiny blisters. All it takes is local application of a

cortisone/anaesthetic ointment for a couple of days, and care to

keep the area from getting infected.  







From kath801@aol.com Sun Jun 14 07:50:58 1998

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 abacaxi wrote::>>Most of the solitary hunting spiders have a nasty bite which

produces exactly the symptoms you describe: large swelling, itchy, with tiny

blisters.





       Hm...I know this isn't alt.creepy.nasty.arachnids or anything.. but what

constitutes "solitary hunting spiders"? We are regularly visited by a couple of

different types that have been pointed out to me as wolf spiders and 'oh a

plain old wood spider'. One is slightly  fuzzy...the other, extremely fast. I

suspect that among the other insects around these parts (So. Cal desert) they

may bite...a semi-regular bite reaction for me -and a recent houseguest- a

large (half-dollar size) very red swollen circular area-only itchy after a day

or so-but lasting for at least a few days. My first experience with them had me

with a fresh-looking bite for almost 2 weeks! Fortunately, subsequent bites

have not been as horrid.

Before we go thru the total hell of calling Bob The Bug Guy... [here's the

herbal tie in] IS there anything I can sprinkle around? Or rub myself with? :)

I am REALLY not a fan of spiders. I know they eat other bugs, but so do lizards

and lizards don't give me heebie jeebies whenever I see them in the house. :)



anyway,



kathy

http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

time...when I have offline time...



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kath801@aol.com (Kath801) wrote:



>       Hm...I know this isn't alt.creepy.nasty.arachnids or anything

  It's starting to sound like it.  At least they are "natural"

and live in the herbs.

>.. but what

>constitutes "solitary hunting spiders"? We are regularly visited by a couple of

>different types that have been pointed out to me as wolf spiders and 'oh a

>plain old wood spider'. One is slightly  fuzzy...the other, extremely fast.

  Various solitary hunting spiders (as opposed to web-spinners)

in the desert: "wolf" spiders are hairy, grey or brownish, have a

leg-span of largish tablespoon spread, and are VERY speedy.  The

"jumping" spiders are small, no more than fingernail size, not

hairy, and as the name indicates, will jump onto their prey.

Both are to be encouraged, because they eat crickets and roaches.

And nothing attracts black widows like crickets ... it's a matter

of keeping the good spiders to help prevent the bad ones.



  but the tiny blisters and huge welts can also be from

caterpillar spines, etc.  The characteristic sign of a brown

recluse is the lack of swelling and the pale ring around the

bite.





 I

>suspect that among the other insects around these parts (So. Cal desert) they

>may bite...a semi-regular bite reaction for me -and a recent houseguest- a

>large (half-dollar size) very red swollen circular area-only itchy after a day

>or so-but lasting for at least a few days. My first experience with them had me

>with a fresh-looking bite for almost 2 weeks! Fortunately, subsequent bites

>have not been as horrid.

>Before we go thru the total hell of calling Bob The Bug Guy... [here's the

>herbal tie in] IS there anything I can sprinkle around? Or rub myself with? :)

>I am REALLY not a fan of spiders. I know they eat other bugs, but so do lizards

>and lizards don't give me heebie jeebies whenever I see them in the house. :)

>

>anyway,

>

>kathy

>http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

>time...when I have offline time...





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Personally, anthough I know everyone in here wants to keep chemical

free, but if you are being bitten more than, say, once in a dozen YEARS,

I would call the bug guy, and as soon as he left I would go behind him

with my own mixture of dursban and diazinon in double strength. Make

sure he and you spray heavily outside the house as well.



Listen, few spiders are lethal. Most just make you sick, but some have

very nasty bites... the brown recluse produces the worst I see in the

hospital. (Thank God I don't see them that often.) Most people wind up

losing the appendage that is bitten -- usually the foot or hand. Don't

mess around with your body like that. Natural is great, but sometimes

you NEED something else.



If you want to try something though, get the citranella plant and make a

tincture of it. That MIGHT work. I've never tried it. I hate spiders and

bugs too, so I spray my house myself with dursban and diazinon

alternately at double strength mixtures. I don't have a bug problem.



Kath801 wrote:

> 

>  abacaxi wrote::>>Most of the solitary hunting spiders have a nasty bite which

> produces exactly the symptoms you describe: large swelling, itchy, with tiny

> blisters.

> 

>        Hm...I know this isn't alt.creepy.nasty.arachnids or anything.. but what

> constitutes "solitary hunting spiders"? We are regularly visited by a couple of

> different types that have been pointed out to me as wolf spiders and 'oh a

> plain old wood spider'. One is slightly  fuzzy...the other, extremely fast. I

> suspect that among the other insects around these parts (So. Cal desert) they

> may bite...a semi-regular bite reaction for me -and a recent houseguest- a

> large (half-dollar size) very red swollen circular area-only itchy after a day

> or so-but lasting for at least a few days. My first experience with them had me

> with a fresh-looking bite for almost 2 weeks! Fortunately, subsequent bites

> have not been as horrid.

> Before we go thru the total hell of calling Bob The Bug Guy... [here's the

> herbal tie in] IS there anything I can sprinkle around? Or rub myself with? :)

> I am REALLY not a fan of spiders. I know they eat other bugs, but so do lizards

> and lizards don't give me heebie jeebies whenever I see them in the house. :)

> 

> anyway,

> 

> kathy

> http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

> time...when I have offline time...



From locklyn@aol.com Sun Jun 14 16:04:09 1998

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>o I spray my house myself with dursban and diazinon

>alternately at double strength mixtures. I don't have a bug problem.



I use borax for bugs.  Works beautifully- no bugs, no problems with pets or my

own allergies.  (If you're not sure about whether or not your pets will be okay

with it, put it somewhere that they can't get to it- like under the sofa and

behind furniture.)  I'm not sure if there are any bugs that will ignore the

borax, but I haven't seen a spider, cockroach, or ant since using it.



Locklyn



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Hi, just a note to other folks on the board.  DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT use

pesticides in strengths other than those listed on the label.  Not only is

it against the law in the United States, but you are risking harm to

yourself and your pets by using a pesticide in doses or uses that are not

listed on the label.  Not to mention the fact that the insects will soon

become resistant to these pesticides and after killing off all the predators

you'll have a rebound pest problem....... oh yes and then there is that

pesky health  issue of low dose chronic exposure to pesticides...........cb

    Dollar General wrote in message <3583B203.36B1166A@Never.Never.Com>...

    Personally, anthough I know everyone in here wants to keep chemical

    free, but if you are being bitten more than, say, once in a dozen YEARS,

    I would call the bug guy, and as soon as he left I would go behind him

    with my own mixture of dursban and diazinon in double strength. Make

    sure he and you spray heavily outside the house as well.



    Listen, few spiders are lethal. Most just make you sick, but some have

    very nasty bites... the brown recluse produces the worst I see in the

    hospital. (Thank God I don't see them that often.) Most people wind up

    losing the appendage that is bitten -- usually the foot or hand. Don't

    mess around with your body like that. Natural is great, but sometimes

    you NEED something else.



    If you want to try something though, get the citranella plant and make a

    tincture of it. That MIGHT work. I've never tried it. I hate spiders and

    bugs too, so I spray my house myself with dursban and diazinon

    alternately at double strength mixtures. I don't have a bug problem.



    Kath801 wrote:

    >

    >  abacaxi wrote::>>Most of the solitary hunting spiders have a nasty

bite which

    > produces exactly the symptoms you describe: large swelling, itchy,

with tiny

    > blisters.

    >

    >        Hm...I know this isn't alt.creepy.nasty.arachnids or anything..

but what

    > constitutes "solitary hunting spiders"? We are regularly visited by a

couple of

    > different types that have been pointed out to me as wolf spiders and

'oh a

    > plain old wood spider'. One is slightly  fuzzy...the other, extremely

fast. I

    > suspect that among the other insects around these parts (So. Cal

desert) they

    > may bite...a semi-regular bite reaction for me -and a recent

houseguest- a

    > large (half-dollar size) very red swollen circular area-only itchy

after a day

    > or so-but lasting for at least a few days. My first experience with

them had me

    > with a fresh-looking bite for almost 2 weeks! Fortunately, subsequent

bites

    > have not been as horrid.

    > Before we go thru the total hell of calling Bob The Bug Guy... [here's

the

    > herbal tie in] IS there anything I can sprinkle around? Or rub myself

with? :)

    > I am REALLY not a fan of spiders. I know they eat other bugs, but so

do lizards

    > and lizards don't give me heebie jeebies whenever I see them in the

house. :)

    >

    > anyway,

    >

    > kathy

    > http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

    > time...when I have offline time...







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In article <6m0lna$nu3$1@ecuador.it.earthlink.net>

"cb" <buglady48@hotmail.com> writes:

 

>Hi, just a note to other folks on the board.  DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT use

>pesticides in strengths other than those listed on the label.  Not only is

>it against the law in the United States, but you are risking harm to

>yourself and your pets by using a pesticide in doses or uses that are not

>listed on the label.  Not to mention the fact that the insects will soon

 

 Another note about pesticides: while you should be very specially extra super

cautious (and we're talking *cautious*!) using them, around people, pets, etc.,

be especially careful around birds. Many pesticides are neurotoxic to birds,

and I have heard of more than one family of anguished children grieving over

their canary when someone sprayed a pesticide in a nearby room.

 

Anne, who wishes the psychosomatic spiders would quit crawling on her! :-)



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From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

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description of actual treatment snipped....



jack karpan wrote:

> 

> A couple of weeks ago my wife was bitten by a brown recluse spider.

> Needless to say we didn't discover the bite until the following 

> morning when she felt the large swollen (and itchy) area. By that 

> evening there were several small blisters within the bite area; we 

> made the decision to attempt remedying the bite herbally rather 

> than seeking conventional medical treatment. Many people felt this 

> was a rather risky decision as these bites soon blister and there 

> is often a lot of pain and "flesh loss" - we stood by our decision 

> and the results were astounding.  

>                             Over the next few days the area became 

> inflamed and did indeed blister. 



In our various adventures in the odd corners of the pest control

business, spouse and I have seen the 'several small blisters' and 

the 'following morning' timeframe in allergic reactions to the 

microscopic stinging hairs shed by certain species of dermestid 

beetles which infest upholstery fibers.  [Identifying dermatoses 

gives me an excuse to go occupy the Medical Center library.]  You 

have described a fairly typical progression for such an allergic 

response.  I have to wonder what she brushed up against....



> We have seen these bites on other individuals, all of whom sought 

> out conventional medical help, and there was massive tissue loss 

> in the area of the bite. Our natural remedy relieved my wife of 

> such pain and scarring effects. Hope this can be of some help to 

> those of you unfortunate enough to come into close contact with 

> these pesky spiders and their high potency venom.



The individuals who suffer massive tissue loss did not seek medical

attention WITHIN 72 HOURS OF THE BITE.  Except, most people are not

aware of a problem until 24 to 36 hours have elapsed, and then they

dither for another day....  An antivenom is available, but not every 

medical site will have it - or even be aware it exists.The 'venom' 

acts like a persistent digestive enzyme in attacking tissue, hence 

the ongoing necrosis and purulence which requires debridement and 

dressing.  Nasty stuff.  Prompt treatment is essential.  I've seen

at least a dozen people go through this.



The critical thing about brown recluses is, YOU WILL NEVER SEE ONE.

That's why they are called 'recluse!'  They occupy undisturbed areas: 

dusty library basement stacks, rank vegetation, remote phone switch

boxes, the garden gloves which hung in your garage all winter....

I spend more time explaining to arachnophobes that any spider they *see*

in their house is okay and is busy catching insects [especially the

wonderful wolf spiders].  Just this week my 2nd grader dressed 

down a teacher for trying to swat a spider!  ;)



-Kyra



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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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Subject: Re: brown recluse relief!!!!!

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Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> The individuals who suffer massive tissue loss did not seek medical

> attention WITHIN 72 HOURS OF THE BITE.  Except, most people are not

> aware of a problem until 24 to 36 hours have elapsed, and then they

> dither for another day....  An antivenom is available, but not every

> medical site will have it - or even be aware it exists.The 'venom'

> acts like a persistent digestive enzyme in attacking tissue, hence

> the ongoing necrosis and purulence which requires debridement and

> dressing.  Nasty stuff.  Prompt treatment is essential.  I've seen

> at least a dozen people go through this.



then, of course, there are occasions where the doctors are sure that it

absolutely can't be a brown recluse bite because ... brown recluses

don't live in that area!!!  i just wanted to point this out.  my

boyfriend has a friend who moved to memphis from colorado and got a bite

while she was unpacking.  she recognized the bite as a brown recluse

bite, went to the doctor, and he told her he wouldn't give her the

antivenom because *he* didn't believe it was a brown recluse.  needless

to say, she had a lot of tissue damage because of this.



this isn't a slam on doctors in general, just a not to say that

*everyone* should be aware that dangerous plants, animals, and insects

often "hitchike" with us when we go places.  don't ever fall into the

trap that because such and such a place isn't a specie's native habitat,

it couldn't possibly live there for any length of time.



okay, rant over.

 

> I spend more time explaining to arachnophobes that any spider they *see*

> in their house is okay and is busy catching insects [especially the

> wonderful wolf spiders].  Just this week my 2nd grader dressed

> down a teacher for trying to swat a spider!  ;)

> 

> -Kyra





ye-es, i just don't want them *in* the house.  i usually try to pick

them up and put them outdoors.



brigid



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mk95528@cyberramp.net wrote:

> 

> Hello All -

> 

> Thanks everyone for posting about these Spiders, especially this

> "dusty library stacks" that you mention Kyra. I have many stacks of

> antique books in storage. I have also dug through thru other

> collections once in a while in garages, basements, attics, barns, etc.

> over the years.  I have never came across or seen a Reculse yet, but

> now I will be aware of this situation. I have probably have been real

> lucky ! I have even dug thru every kind of stack imaginable !

> I am now wondering if there is any home remidies for this critter? I

> also wonder if there is something I can do to my collection

> (spraying,etc..) ?   Age has done a lot of damage to these antiques

> already.



Main 'remedy' would be to rattle that dusty stack of whatever a 

couple times before you go to move it or dig into it.  Give the 

spiders enough warning and they will scram on out of there....

Oh, and wear gloves which you know are clean and unoccupied.  ;)

I don't know of anything you could spray on a book that wouldn't 

hurt it.



-Kyra



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How interesting!!  This thread is so appropriate for me right now.

just bought a set of bookcases from a girlfriend, delivered

yesterday.  Have boxes of bookes in my living room that had been 

stored in the garage.  Killed a brown recluse (also know as fiddle

back) spider this past week that was in the bathroom.  My daughter

got one while going thru a box of things set aside for a yard sale

in my dining room.  We see these spiders every now and then where

i live in the Texas panhandle.  Haven't been bit yet. 

Found that echanacea has worked well to reduce swelling of any bites

that we have had so far from anything.  Have wondered if it would

help with a fiddle back bite, excuse me, brown recluse bite.  



Getting ready to try and empty some of these boxes and put up the

books.  Not working now so plan to do a thorough house cleaning...

the spiders make me nervous. We've been lucky so far.  Also bought some

bug spray the other day.   The brown recluse is  terribly dangerous

and can cause amputations of limbs (if not treated) and terrible

scarring.  Have been told that you can tell the bite because of

two holes next to each other from the bite.  Would be really hard

to tell though, I think.



Susie



Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> mk95528@cyberramp.net wrote:

> >

> > Hello All -

> >

> > Thanks everyone for posting about these Spiders, especially this

> > "dusty library stacks" that you mention Kyra. I have many stacks of

> > antique books in storage. I have also dug through thru other

> > collections once in a while in garages, basements, attics, barns, etc.

> > over the years.  I have never came across or seen a Reculse yet, but

> > now I will be aware of this situation. I have probably have been real

> > lucky ! I have even dug thru every kind of stack imaginable !

> > I am now wondering if there is any home remidies for this critter? I

> > also wonder if there is something I can do to my collection

> > (spraying,etc..) ?   Age has done a lot of damage to these antiques

> > already.

> 

> Main 'remedy' would be to rattle that dusty stack of whatever a

> couple times before you go to move it or dig into it.  Give the

> spiders enough warning and they will scram on out of there....

> Oh, and wear gloves which you know are clean and unoccupied.  ;)

> I don't know of anything you could spray on a book that wouldn't

> hurt it.

> 

> -Kyra





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suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net> wrote:



>How interesting!!  This thread is so appropriate for me right now.

>just bought a set of bookcases from a girlfriend, delivered

>yesterday.  Have boxes of bookes in my living room that had been 

>stored in the garage.

  Open the book boxes IN THE GARAGE, wear gloves, and remove the

books one by one.  Any spiders will leave the boxes, and stay in

the garage.  What you don't want is them being brought into the

house inb the boxes.

  For those with serious spider problems, if you store things in

boxes, use a plastic trash bag inside the box and seal it.  That

keeps spiders from getting into the items.







>Found that echanacea has worked well to reduce swelling of any bites

>that we have had so far from anything.  Have wondered if it would

>help with a fiddle back bite, excuse me, brown recluse bite. 

  Don't risk it, it needs anti-venom for proper treatment.



  I was looking through the medical books and the really serious

insect bites - widows, recluses, and scorpions - have very little

or no swelling.  The ones that leave big welts are probably not

serious.



>The brown recluse is  terribly dangerous

>Have been told that you can tell the bite because of

>two holes next to each other from the bite.  Would be really hard

>to tell though, I think.

  You can't see the fang marks ... the bite of a brouwn recluse

characteristically has little or no swelling, is painful, and has

an area of "ischemia" (pale, like skin looks when you ice it)

around the bite.  That's because the blood vessels close down -

and that's what causes the tissue damage - lack of blood leading

to cell death.





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I have not been following this group long, and don't know much about herbs. 

However, I live in Kansas and we have a lot of brown recluses here.  What I

have always been told to do once bit was to put a piece of bread over it.  This

is supposed to draw the venom (or is it spelled venum?) out.  



While I have heard people say it worked, I have never personally seen it work. 

I, personally, would slap a piece of bread on it while driving to the emergency

room.  But many of the older people in my family swear by it.



                                                                      Sinc

erely,

                                                                           Nara





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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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NaraW wrote:

> 

> I have not been following this group long, and don't know much about herbs.

> However, I live in Kansas and we have a lot of brown recluses here.  What I

> have always been told to do once bit was to put a piece of bread over it.  This

> is supposed to draw the venom (or is it spelled venum?) out.

> 

> While I have heard people say it worked, I have never personally seen it work.

> I, personally, would slap a piece of bread on it while driving to the emergency

> room.  But many of the older people in my family swear by it.

> 

>                                                                       Sinc

> erely,

>                                                                            Nara



i'm not dissin' the wise old elders here but.... this doesn't make sense

to me, because the venom is totally on the inside, and you would have to

be able to make the skin somehow permeable to the poison.  i believe

some herbs can do that (make the skin absorb things quicker), and DMSO

certainly can, so is it a particular *kind* of bread?



brigid



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On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:10:14 GMT, 

mk95528@cyberramp.net  <mk95528@cyberramp.net> wrote:



>>The critical thing about brown recluses is, YOU WILL NEVER SEE ONE.

>>That's why they are called 'recluse!'  They occupy undisturbed areas: 

>>dusty library basement stacks, rank vegetation, remote phone switch

>>boxes, the garden gloves which hung in your garage all winter....

>>I spend more time explaining to arachnophobes that any spider they *see*

>>in their house is okay and is busy catching insects [especially the

>>wonderful wolf spiders].  Just this week my 2nd grader dressed 

>>down a teacher for trying to swat a spider!  ;)



I've seen plenty of wolf spiders, but no brown recluses...

Someone once told me I never will since wolf spiders freq attack/kill

(/eat?) brown recluses. I wonder if anyone else has heard that.

Fact or Fiction?





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>we made the decision to 

>attempt remedying the bite herbally rather than seeking conventional 

>medical treatment. 



Darn, I wish I would've tried that.  I was bitten last year by several brown

recluse spiders that got into my closet and were living in my clothes.  I had

bites all over my chest, stomach, and one on my upper thigh.  I have some

really ugly scars from the conventional treatment, it sounds like you guys had

the right idea.



MP, Lori



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Don't bank on it. What they were bitten by was almost certainly NOT a

brown recluse. Read the other posts, the sings and symptoms they

describe are NOT what you will find with a brown recluse bite. BTW, if

you were bitten several times by these spiders, you are VERY lucky to

even be alive, especially given the location you describe for the bites.

Modern medicine is a good thing, it is just over used and abused, but

some things NEED to be treated by a physician or you wind up looking at

pine for the next million years.



Moron345 wrote:

> 

> >we made the decision to

> >attempt remedying the bite herbally rather than seeking conventional

> >medical treatment.

> 

> Darn, I wish I would've tried that.  I was bitten last year by several brown

> recluse spiders that got into my closet and were living in my clothes.  I had

> bites all over my chest, stomach, and one on my upper thigh.  I have some

> really ugly scars from the conventional treatment, it sounds like you guys had

> the right idea.

> 

> MP, Lori



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Hi,



a friend of mine have kidney stone problems.

Are there any herbs that she could take to relieve the pain or pass the stones?



Thanks



Henry





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Hydrangea

HTorralvo wrote in message

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>Hi,

>

>a friend of mine have kidney stone problems.

>Are there any herbs that she could take to relieve the pain or pass the

stones?

>

>Thanks

>

>Henry

>







From donwiss@no.spam.com Sun Jun 14 03:04:13 1998

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Subject: Re: Kidney Stone

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On 12 Jun 1998 23:55:19 GMT, htorralvo@aol.com (HTorralvo) wrote:



>a friend of mine have kidney stone problems.



Newsgroup: alt.support.crohns-colitis

Subject: Re: Kidney stones control?

From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:18:16 GMT



The condition of some kidney stones is asserted to be the result of 

abnormal calcium deposition in the kidneys, in _Renal Physiology_

by Arthur Vander, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1975. On pages 127-128, it says:

"The increased plasma calcium is deposited in various body tissues 

including the kidneys, where stones are formed." Abnormal 

calcium metabolism is very common in celiac disease. 

Chronic production of kidney stones should be cause to consider being 

tested for celiac disease. 



Even if some drugs, such as Allopurinol, provide relief from the stones, 

they do not treat the underlying pathology. If occult celiac disease is 

at the root of the chronic production of kidney stones, which is a 

distinct possibility, a positive outcome is likely, as it is usually a very

treatable condition. For those with Crohn's or IBD, testing for 

antiendomysium antibodies might reveal associated celiac disease. 



Because of the genetic connections which have been demonstrated between 

celiac disease and Crohn's, the possibility of kidney stones in Crohn's 

seems likely. 



I hope that is helpful.

Best Wishes,



Ron Hoggan

http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/





From turf@mindspring.com Wed Jun 24 00:37:23 1998

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From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

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htorralvo@aol.com (HTorralvo) wrote:



>Hi,



>a friend of mine have kidney stone problems.

>Are there any herbs that she could take to relieve the pain or pass the stones?



One of the best is Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination.

Available cheap at herb shops.  Next would be Planetary Formula's

Stone Free (or use dandelion root and leaf). For more effect use

a vitamin B6 tablet and Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate along with it for

up to a month.



Complete regimen is on my web page in the Cleansing section

under "Stones, Crystals, and other Depoits."



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



I don't sell anything.



turf





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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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Subject: Clearing Nut?

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I'm looking at an Ayurvedic formula which lists "clearing nut" as an

ingredient. Anybody have the botanical latin for this one?



Regards,

Rosemary



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From: "A.S.Wigand" <sam@wigand.demon.co.uk>

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Subject: What would you like to see in a n herb shop?

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        I will shortly be opening an herbal dispensary in NW London.



Does anyone have any suggestions for (non-prescription) product lines,

dietary supplements etc which I might wish to stock?



TIA for any suggestions,

-- 

A.S.Wigand



...as I used to say to my father:



        "Ah, but I have an asbestos suit on..."



From toyboat@acadia.net Sat Jun 13 14:25:14 1998

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From: "Classic Boatworks of Maine" <toyboat@acadia.net>

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Subject: Great Site in Maine

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We found a great site here in Maine.  The lady who runs it does

consultations too and is really knowledgable.

http://www.maineherbs.com

prices seem really reasonable and the products we have used work great.

Jo

-- 



Good Luck and Fair Seas

Marshall and Jo Duhaime,Jr.

Classic Boatworks of Maine - We build and restore classic wood boats.

http://www.nemaine.com/classicboatworks





From yesirree@aol.com Sat Jun 13 19:17:15 1998

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From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

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I am repeating this question in the hopes that someone may see if that did not

see it before. I have mixed connective tissue disease and wondered how much

fresh gotu kola I should take. I grow it because I have heard that it was good

for this particular disease but do not know how many leaves to eat daily . Can

anyone give me just a general idea? thank you

Catherine

"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

being having a spiritual experience."



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The first year we planted a garden, it was devastated with insects.  We could

not harvest a thing.  The next year we had our soil tested.  It was extremely

deficient in many nutrients. We added those nutrients and had absolutely no

problems with destructive insects that year.  We also planted a variety of

things to attract beneficials, added mulch, compost and sand.  We had to rip

out plants because they grew so well. (These were added to our compost bin.) 

We ended up adding fish meal, kelp, gypsum for our "dead" and hardpan soil. 

We also sprayed fish emulsion (to the dismay of our neighbors) every couple

of weeks. Our theory was that by inviting in beneficials and supporting the

plants with nutrients, the plants became strong enough to ward off the

destructive insects. We believe now that the destructive insects prey on

unhealthy plants. No pesticides or herbicides are ever used on our gardens

and we end up having bountiful crops every year.  Maybe having your soil

tested would help you.





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From markwegner@webtv.net Sat Jun 13 23:22:32 1998

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From: markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner)

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I really know nothing about Yohimbe, just the hype, and I have a

question.. I was reading the FAQ and it scared me..  Is it safe to take

Yohimbe occasionally? Or is this something that is best avoided

altogether? Anyone have personal experience? Feel free to mail off

group.



Mark



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What can I take to fight chronic pain, and if nothing will work, what

can I take to fight the tiredness the pain killers bring on??



Any suggestions?





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Subject: Re: Chronic pain relief?

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Chris Wagoner wrote:

> 

> What can I take to fight chronic pain, and if nothing will work, what

> can I take to fight the tiredness the pain killers bring on??

> 

> Any suggestions?





First, what type of chronic pain?  Back pain, arthritis, pain associated

with fibromyalgia or lyme disease?  Give us a clue.



Fidget



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Chronic cervical neck pain.  Had fusion surgery a while back and having

problems with sever pain..





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Chris Wagoner wrote:

> 

> Chronic cervical neck pain.  Had fusion surgery a while back and having

> problems with sever pain..







Thanks Chris.  I answered your message thru email.



Fidget



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From: mcash@webtv.net (Mavis Cash)

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I started drinking two cups of Pau D'arco tea 2 weeks ago to help to

help a persistant fungus infection on my hands (it is clearing up) and

about 3 days later I started doing some serious research on the herb

because various arthritic aches and pains started going away--turns out

this South American herb is not only anti-fungal and anti-bacterial, but

also anti-inflamatory and a booster of the immune system.  If you want

to try it, it's a bark and needs to be boiled--one teaspoonful to a cup

of water--for 10 to 15 minutes.  Hope this helps, Don 













                      



From bethanny@nashville.com Tue Jun 16 20:55:53 1998

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>I started drinking two cups of Pau D'arco tea 2 weeks ago to help to

>help a persistant fungus infection on my hands (it is clearing up) and

>about 3 days later I started doing some serious research on the herb

>because various arthritic aches and pains started going away--turns out

>this South American herb is not only anti-fungal and anti-bacterial, but

>also anti-inflamatory and a booster of the immune system.  If you want

>to try it, it's a bark and needs to be boiled--one teaspoonful to a cup

>of water--for 10 to 15 minutes.  Hope this helps, Don



Can you direct me to some of the resources you found?  I'm not very familiar

with this herb, but it sounds like something I should be doing some reading

on for a variety of reasons.



Beth



bethanny@nashville.com

















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fneill@yahoo.com (fneill) wrote:



>Hi all,  been hearing alot lately about oil of oregano.  lots of claims about 

>healing just about everything.

  Any time you start hearing claims like this, you can be

guaranteed that it's hogwash.





>  can anybody shed some light on if this is a 

> true healing herb.

  There are probably things it can fix: for one, as it is one of

the strongly aromatic herbs, it probably has antibacterial

activity.



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Here's something that everyone always seems to forget. The body usually

heals itself. Did you know that the food you eat has medicinal value?

That's right, from carrots to corn to broccoli to regular old lettuce.

This stuff helps the body take care of itself so you wont have to go to

the doctor. Amazing!



Anyway... to answer your question: (You DO realize that there are about

a thousand different species of oregano, right?) What I have here says

this: parts used are the aerial parts and the essential oil. It helps

settle flatulence, and stimulates the flow of bile. Strongly antiseptic,

good for respiratory conditions such as coughs, tonsillitis, bronchitis,

and asthma. Considered to be a useful promotor of menstruation. The

diluted oil can be applied externally to toothache or painful joints.



WARNINGS: Do not take as a medicine during pregnancy. External use may

cause irritation of the skin. *** Do NOT take the essential oil

internally. ***



It does not say why, but I have found these books to be right on target,

so I would avoid taking the oil internally.





fneill wrote:

> 

> Hi all,  been hearing alot lately about oil of oregano.  lots of claims about

> healing just about everything.  can anybody shed some light on if this is a

> true healing herb.  thanks much.



From hmonstrr@aol.com Tue Jun 16 05:57:56 1998

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>Hi all,  been hearing alot lately about oil of oregano.  lots of claims about

>

>healing just about everything.  can anybody shed some light on if this is a 

>true healing herb.  thanks much.

>

>



I was listening to a radio program this evening , ironically, and talking about

this oil of oregano.  The physicain was telling his listeners about how it can

cure asthma and skin conditions.  If anyone has used this, please write in.



From cntrygalaz@aol.com Sun Jun 14 08:48:30 1998

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Hi all,

So glad I found this spot.....thanks to my sister inlaw! I have a question

please...We are looking for the best ENGERY stuff that is natural..For a quick

boost..I would prefer not somthing that takes time to work but a fast acting

product! Thanks so much in advance....

Email or post!

Beth in AZ



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CntrygalAZ wrote:

> 

> Hi all,

> So glad I found this spot.....thanks to my sister inlaw! I have a question

> please...We are looking for the best ENGERY stuff that is natural..For a quick

> boost..I would prefer not somthing that takes time to work but a fast acting

> product! Thanks so much in advance....

> Email or post!

> Beth in AZ







If you're looking for energy just to get through the day, I would

suggest chromium picolinate.  It will burn the natural sugars in your

body for energy.  You'll find yourself zipping around! Don't take too

much though, it can give you a case of jitters.  Two should be plenty. 

Taking it too late in the day may cause problems sleeping.



Fidget



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it sorta depends on what you want to do with it. I mean, why is it that

you want to take it? Some of the herbs taken for instant energy can also

have some nasty side effects if taken too often or in too large a

volume. I am thinking of ephedra in particular here. Great for energy,

but can drop you 6 feet under if you're not careful.



CntrygalAZ wrote:

> 

> Hi all,

> So glad I found this spot.....thanks to my sister inlaw! I have a question

> please...We are looking for the best ENGERY stuff that is natural..For a quick

> boost..I would prefer not somthing that takes time to work but a fast acting

> product! Thanks so much in advance....

> Email or post!

> Beth in AZ



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Guarana is a plant that is for energy,  it is a caffeine base which isn't the best

but it will usually do the job for the short term for energy.



Other than that....reduce you intake of caffeine and sugar....this will make a

huge difference and go to the health food store and pick up a supplement that

includes Siberian Ginseng, Gotu Kola, Rosemary, Oats.  All these herbs are good

for supporting at times of physical and mental stress.  Ideally though you should

avoid Guarana because of the caffeine.



Hope that helps.



Tracie.



CntrygalAZ wrote:



> Hi all,

> So glad I found this spot.....thanks to my sister inlaw! I have a question

> please...We are looking for the best ENGERY stuff that is natural..For a quick

> boost..I would prefer not somthing that takes time to work but a fast acting

> product! Thanks so much in advance....

> Email or post!

> Beth in AZ









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On 14 Jun 1998 05:48:30 GMT, cntrygalaz@aol.com (CntrygalAZ) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>So glad I found this spot.....thanks to my sister inlaw! I have a question

>please...We are looking for the best ENGERY stuff that is natural..For a quick

>boost..I would prefer not somthing that takes time to work but a fast acting



Try more sleep. And less stress. And some exercise, complete with fresh air. 



For a real quick boost go totally off any caffeine-containing drinks and foods

(like colas, coffee, tea, cocoa, guarana, mate...) and drink a cup only when you

need it. Like once a month, at most.



For a full evaluation of -why- you are tired, or need energy, and what to do

about it, you might want to visit a professional healthcare provider.



Henriette



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Does any practitioners out there have a protocol for treating elevated

prolactin levels caused from a pituitary tumour.



Herbal,  Homoeopathic, Nutritional information would be appreciated.



Thanks



Tracie.





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Dollar General <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>Personally, anthough I know everyone in here wants to keep chemical

>free, but if you are being bitten more than, say, once in a dozen YEARS,

>I would call the bug guy, and as soon as he left I would go behind him

>with my own mixture of dursban and diazinon in double strength. Make

>sure he and you spray heavily outside the house as well.

  I've been bitten by black widows three times and stung by a

scorpion once. The scorpion sting was my fault - I picked up his

rock and scared him. The three widow bites were at houses whose

owners sprayed regularly. Spiders are very resistant to

pesticides.  It's more reliable to control them in and near

habitations by controlling their environment.

1.  Keep their food insects to a minimum by good sanitation: 

    get rid of food spills and water sources immediately.

2.  Keep their housing to a minimum by cleaning under and 

    behind things and moving things regularly.

3.  Encourage natural predators (one here is the mud dauber, 

    a large metallic green or blue wasp that hunts spiders and 

    stuffs them into its nest as baby food ... has a really nasty

    sting if annoyed, but it isn't aggressive).  Lizards and

    birds also hunt spiders, and some spiders hunt other spiders.

    We have a local species that specializes in black widows. If

    I catch some and release them in my garage, I'll be widow

    free in a couple of months.



>Listen, few spiders are lethal. Most just make you sick, but some have

>very nasty bites... the brown recluse produces the worst I see in the

>hospital.

  There are fewer than a dozen spider species of medical

importance: Latrodectus species "widow spiders", Loxoceles

species (New World recluse family), Australia's Atrax species,

and the canal Zone's "black tarantula" are the main ones.  Only

the widows and recluses will move in with us.



>Natural is great, but sometimes you NEED something else.

  Yeah, a nice artificial shoe!



>I hate spiders and

>bugs too, so I spray my house myself with dursban and diazinon

>alternately at double strength mixtures. I don't have a bug problem.

  Not yet, you mean. The ticks in this area are almost totally

resistant to diazinon.  I have fewer roaches and crickets than my

neighbors who spray regularly.  I have lizards, and they don't.

I use boric acid croutons to control the roaches, and coffee

grounds to control the crickets.



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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> I use boric acid croutons to control the roaches ...



I'm glad you mentioned the boric acid.  Years ago we were completely

overrun by roaches - so bad that one time we even found one frozen in an

ice cube in the refrigerator we have in the garage.  I spent a zillion

dollars on professional bug people to come out here and spray, to no

avail.



Then my very old and wise grandmother told me about boric acid.  After

only about two weeks of having spread it around, I never saw another

roach again.



Now I make sure I have fresh boric acid around all year long.  And the

only roaches I ever see are those in other folks' homes.



I also get a good laugh at one particular roach killer I see in the

store.  It's a double-your-money-back guarantee remedy.  Cost? -- $19.99

for a small jar.



The contents?  99% boric acid, 1% inert ingrediant.  HA!  And I can buy

two very large bottles of boric acid for about $4.00 apiece at

Wal-Mart.  :)  :)



Best,

Roach-Free Rebecca



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>I also get a good laugh at one particular roach killer I see in the

>store.  It's a double-your-money-back guarantee remedy.  Cost? -- $19.99

>for a small jar.

>

>The contents?  99% boric acid, 1% inert ingrediant.  HA!  And I can buy

>two very large bottles of boric acid for about $4.00 apiece at

>Wal-Mart.  :)  :)



I don't know the size of these bottles, but I get 20 Mule Team borax in the

laundry section of Walmart (or even the grocery store) for the same purpose. 

It's in a powder form, as opposed to a cube (or liquid?), but it works just as

well.  It comes in a box about the sixe of a large box of cat food.  Not sure

on the price, but it doesn't seem that it's over $3-4.  



Locklyn



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On 15 Jun 1998 19:38:28 GMT, locklyn@aol.com (Locklyn) wrote:



>>I also get a good laugh at one particular roach killer I see in the

>>store.  It's a double-your-money-back guarantee remedy.  Cost? -- $19.99

>>for a small jar.

>>

>>The contents?  99% boric acid, 1% inert ingrediant.  HA!  And I can buy

>>two very large bottles of boric acid for about $4.00 apiece at

>>Wal-Mart.  :)  :)

>

>I don't know the size of these bottles, but I get 20 Mule Team borax in the

>laundry section of Walmart (or even the grocery store) for the same purpose. 

>It's in a powder form, as opposed to a cube (or liquid?), but it works just as

>well.  It comes in a box about the sixe of a large box of cat food.  Not sure

>on the price, but it doesn't seem that it's over $3-4.  

>

>Locklyn



Just wondering what the precautions of borax is as I have cats and two

ferrets.



Eileen





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pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith) wrote:



>Just wondering what the precautions of borax is as I have cats and two

>ferrets.



  It's very bitter - they won't voluntarily eat it.  It is

"toxic" - they would become ill but probably not die.  the

problem is when they walk in it, then lick their feet.  The best

place to put the boric acid is under and behind things, although

I don't think there is anyplace a ferret wouldn't go.  Here's my

protocol:



  Dust it UNDER the bottom drawer of kitchen and bathroom

cabinets.

  Sweep it into the cracks under the baseboards in kitchen, bath

and laundry room.

  Squirt the powder into the holes in the wall where plumbing

comes out.

  Dust LIBERALLY just inside any crawlspace.



  I also leave "feeding stations" at intervals in the shrubbery,

and in closets and other dark spaces: mix 1C boric acid and 1C

sugar with enough water to dissolve everything - about a cup.

Pour this over dry bread scraps until they are evenly soaked and

let them dry.  This will attract roaches, but unlike the recipes

with bacon grease, are not very attractice to carnivores and

don't go rancid.



  The feeding station is a tin can like a soup can - drop a few

"cucaracha krunchies" in the can and squeeze the opening shut -

leave 1/4 inch or so.  Roaches can enter, carnivores can't eat

the bait.









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>>Just wondering what the precautions of borax is as I have cats and two

>>ferrets.

>

>  It's very bitter - they won't voluntarily eat it.  It is

>"toxic" - they would become ill but probably not die.  the

>problem is when they walk in it, then lick their feet. 



I'd agree on this.  There shouldn't be any problem with the kitties, but the

ferrets may have some problems, as they tend to be more sensitive to such

things (yes, I've had both)  The suggestions for out of the way places given by

others are good, though I'm not sure I'd mix any of the borx/boric acid with

good tasting things like sugar or pb&j.  It seems (though please correct me if

I'm wrong) that that may be an attraction to pets, and the bugs in my

experience never needed the extra attractiveness of it.



>I don't think there is anyplace a ferret wouldn't go. 



You got that right.



>  Dust it UNDER the bottom drawer of kitchen and bathroom

>cabinets.

>  Sweep it into the cracks under the baseboards in kitchen, bath

>and laundry room.

>  Squirt the powder into the holes in the wall where plumbing

>comes out.

>  Dust LIBERALLY just inside any crawlspace.



Unless the ferret can get in them... 



>

A bit snipped

>

>  The feeding station is a tin can like a soup can - drop a few

>"cucaracha krunchies" in the can and squeeze the opening shut -

>leave 1/4 inch or so.  Roaches can enter, carnivores can't eat

>the bait.



Good stuff for most, but again, the ferrets can still get in if they want to. 

They're amazing little weazels!  However, if the scent is not attractive to

them, they probably won't bother.  If you can find/make the borax/boric acid

into a cube form or something that would not be so dusty, it woould cut down on

the problem of them tracking it on their feet and getting it that way.  How

that would be done (it might be available in stores, I don't know) is unknown

to me though.  I'm glad the problem of ferrets was brought up.  Again, I never

had problems with mine getting into it, but I can see that as being a distinct

possibility.



Locklyn





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locklyn@aol.com (Locklyn) wrote:





>However, if the scent is not attractive to

>them, they probably won't bother.  If you can find/make the borax/boric acid

>into a cube form or something that would not be so dusty, it woould cut down on

>the problem of them tracking it on their feet and getting it that way.

  That's what the "crunchies" doo.  The roaches eat it, not walk

in it like they do the dust under and behind things.  If you know

something that ferrets don't like - peppermint, chili peppers, or

other strong scent - you could mix it with the sugar/boric acid

solution before you pour it on the stale bread chunks.









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Locklyn wrote:

> 

>>> Just wondering what the precautions of borax is as I have cats and 

>>> two ferrets.

> >

> >  It's very bitter - they won't voluntarily eat it.  It is

> > "toxic" - they would become ill but probably not die.  the

> > problem is when they walk in it, then lick their feet.

> 

> I'd agree on this.  There shouldn't be any problem with the kitties, 

> but the ferrets may have some problems, as they tend to be more 

> sensitive to such things (yes, I've had both)  The suggestions for 

> out of the way places given by others are good, though I'm not sure 

> I'd mix any of the borx/boric acid with good tasting things like 

> sugar or pb&j.  It seems (though please correct me if I'm wrong) 

> that that may be an attraction to pets, and the bugs in my

> experience never needed the extra attractiveness of it.



Just to echo the degree of 'problem' involved here - I am aware of

exactly three fatalities from boric acid, which has been in use for

over 100 years.  The one was a cat which made a habit of occupying

a certain kitchen cabinet which the human repeatedly dusted with 

*piles* of boric acid dust.  The cat wallowed in the dust, groomed 

the dust from its fur and eventually died from a cumulative dose.  

It took quite a while.  The second was an infant whose parents 

picked up the boric acid dust by mistake instead of the talcum 

powder, and used it on open diaper rash sores.  The third is a 

possibly apocryphal 'drowning' of a mine worker in a vat of dust....



Seriously - with any toxin there are three normal routes of exposure.

Ingestion, inhalation, dermal contact.  And then there is intravenous,

which is technically what happened to the infant, but that is not a

"normal" exposure route.  [Dam' near *anything* could kill you by that 

means, depending on dosage....]  So when discussing how 'poisonous'

something is, toxicity will vary.  Boric acid will cause problems by

ingestion, but this exposure is extraordinarily rare and it is fairly

difficult to get a large enough dose by that route.  "It's not as if

you're going to choke down a couple tablespoons of the stuff on your

breakfast cereal."  By dermal contact boric acid has virtually zero

toxicity.  Inhalation is the only real concern in ordinary situations,

and again it is going to be difficult to get a large enough dose to

cause a problem.  Me, I have a chronic runny nose whenever I am using

the stuff - that's how my body is getting rid of it.



So yes, by all means put the dust well out of the way, under/behind 

cabinets, inside wall voids, in the cracks of your pantry shelves,

etc.  The roaches walk through it, lick their feet, and eventually

die.  It takes a while to work, which is good, because that way they

don't connect the mortality with the change in their environment and

avoid your treated areas, which they will do with more-toxic methods.



-Kyra



From maven@weirdness.com Mon Jun 15 00:40:24 1998

From: maven@weirdness.com (Robert Wenzler)

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Subject: Wild herbs?

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Where could I get some information on wild herbs? Particularly ones

that grow in Pennsylvania.



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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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Robert Wenzler (maven@weirdness.com) writes:

> Where could I get some information on wild herbs? Particularly ones

> that grow in Pennsylvania.





Alterntive Nature Online Herbal Newsletter --

	http://www.altnature.com/



They have lots of links to all places,  and also have 

discussion groups where you can post questions. 



A mailing list is native-plants,   write to: majordomo@sharpe-ideas.com

and in the Body (not the subject) write: subscribe native-plants



Of course, at some point you will end up wandering about with 

a book to identify plants.  From the library or bookstore, get one

with good pictures. 



Lee at Ottawa





--

joy



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Have a sonogram before beginning a flush to determine size of the =

stones. If they are too large to pass through the bile and urethral =

ducts, they must be dissolved first.

Here's a diet outline for dissolving them:

9 day gallstone fast and flush.

1. Repeat this mild 3 day olive oil and lemon liquid diet for 3 days:

On rising: take 2 TBS. olive oil and the juice of 1 lemon in water.

Breakfast: take a glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice; or a potassium =

broth or juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Lunch: take another glass of lemon juice in water with 2 TBS. olive oil; =

and a glass of black cherry juice, carrot juice or organic apple juice.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Dinner: have another glass of organic apple, carrot, or black cherry =

juice.

Before bed: Have another cup of chamomile tea.

2. Follow with a 5-day alkalizing diet. Drink 6 to 8 glasses of water =

each day. (preferably distilled)

On rising: take 2 TBS. cider vinegar in water with 1 teas. honey; or 2 =

TBS. lemon juice in water, or a glass of fresh grapefruit juice.

Breakfast: take glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice, or potassium broth =

or juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and a glass of organic =

apple juice.

Lunch: take a green drink, and a fresh green salad with lemon/oil =

dressing. Have a cup of dandelion tea after lunch.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and another glass of =

grapefruit or apple juice.

Dinner: have a small green salad with lemon/oil dressing; or some =

steamed vegetables with brown rice or millet; and another glass of =

organic apple juice.

Before bed: have another cup of chamomile or dandelion tea.

3. Finish with a 1 day intensive olive oil flush:

Starting around 7 P.M. on the evening of the 5th day of the alkalizing =

diet: make a mix of 1 pint of pure olive oil and 9 to 10 juiced lemons; =

take 1/4 cup of this mix every 15 minutes until it is gone, (about 3 to =

4 hours). Lie on the right side for better assimilation if desired.



If you don't like the diet above, I have one for a 4 day intensive olive =

oil flush if you're interested in that instead. I would also suggest =

changing your diet to prevent them from occurring again. Also doing =

routine Detoxifying fasts every 3 to 4 months is a good protocol.



Kay

=20

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Hello.  we (my wife and i) are intrested in trying herbs, expecialy schizandra.

 can anyone tell me a good place on the web to buy herbs.  BTW  has anyone

tried this herb?  thanks for the information

daniel and mary ann thomas



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My wife is taking Schizandra and seems to have good results as long as she

keeps taking it.



She has been getting alot of bulk herbs from Home Health Resources in

Arkansas.  They had a web page a while back.  They are in Piggott, AR.









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I have never personally used this herb but a good site with a large

selection is:

North Alabama Herbs & Oils

www.mindspring.com/~naho

DLThomas44 wrote in message

<1998061500524900.UAA28729@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Hello.  we (my wife and i) are intrested in trying herbs, expecialy

schizandra.

> can anyone tell me a good place on the web to buy herbs.  BTW  has anyone

>tried this herb?  thanks for the information

>daniel and mary ann thomas







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Ok, how about the flip side... I am very overweight, but I am working to

reduce it. However I have very large breasts (for a man) and I was

wondering if there was anything that might target them and reduce the

size. I know they will get smaller as I do, but I would like to speed up

the process if possible... TIA!



BryanAlex wrote:

> 

> Hello, I have an unusual question. Ive heard - somewhere in the

> internet - about a way to enlarge the breasts through herbs. Since Im

> somewhat flatchested - and i dontt want to have implants - i think i

> will give it a try. Has someone more information about that? Even more

> interesting - has someone done this? If someone did it, how are the

> results, the side effects and where did you get the stuff?

> 

> Thanks, Alex



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>

>Ok, how about the flip side... I am very overweight, but I am working to

>reduce it. However I have very large breasts (for a man) and I was

>wondering if there was anything that might target them and reduce the

>size. I know they will get smaller as I do, but I would like to speed up

>the process if possible... TIA!

>



Have never heard of this one.  Suggest you wait until you reach your optimum

weight and then try some weight lifting.  If that doesn't do the job, breast

reduction surgery.



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On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 TmpstQueen In article <199806211844230

0.OAA29655@ladder01.news.aol.com>, TmpstQueen

<tmpstqueen@aol.com> writes

>>

>>Ok, how about the flip side... I am very overweight, but I am working to

>>reduce it. However I have very large breasts (for a man) and I was

>>wondering if there was anything that might target them and reduce the

>>size. I know they will get smaller as I do, but I would like to speed up

>>the process if possible... TIA!

>>

>

>Have never heard of this one.  Suggest you wait until you reach your 

>optimum

>weight and then try some weight lifting.  If that doesn't do the job, breast

>reduction surgery.



I'd suggest you get your hormone levels checked out if your large

breasts aren't caused by overweight. It may not be overproduction

of a female hormone, some thyroid problems can cause this as

well. Surgery is a last resort.





To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



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Hi,



I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what the shelf life of Kava in capsules is?



I would like to take advantage of a sale at a local store, but I don't

know if it will loose potency sitting on my shelf.Is there any advantage

to freezing it?



Any information would be appreciated.



Thanks,  Kirk



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Buying capsules is usually a risk to begin with - you never know how

long they've been sitting in a wherehouse somewhere - then on the

shelves, or before the above, in the sun even!! Capsules generally have

a shelf life of 1 year. It's best to buy/make tinctures which last many

years, if prepared correctly. Freezing does have advantages, though I

don't know the extra shelf-life it would give.



-Val



=-

NO SPAM





Kirk wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I'm wondering if anyone can tell me what the shelf life of Kava in capsules is?

> 

> I would like to take advantage of a sale at a local store, but I don't

> know if it will loose potency sitting on my shelf.Is there any advantage

> to freezing it?

> 

> Any information would be appreciated.

> 

> Thanks,  Kirk



From bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun 15 07:39:34 1998

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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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Subject: GCG notes June 98 (visit to KY)

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June 7, 1998     Ginseng Cooperators Group



Defending Murray woodlot



In May I visited Kentucky.  My main activity concerned the

damage on the western edge of the woods, now owned by my mother.

A neighbour accidentally cut a number of old trees from there

early in 1998, harming the creek life and challenging the

boundaries. 



I went with surveyors around the property to re-measure the legal

boundaries, and took photos of the damage.  My mother's response

to the challenge is still in process, but we feel fairly sure there

will not be any more attacks in the immediate future. 



The event, while traumatic for the forest integrity, has caused my

mother and sisters to increase their appreciation of the value of

the forest. This part of the farm was formerly owned by my mother's

grandfather.  In her childhood, my mother waded in the creek and

carried water up the hill from the spring.

 

Our talks  gave me an opportunity to outline 

my ideas for preserving the Murray woods as a land trust, and 

there were no objections.  This is a major step forward.  We

can now proceed to design the details of a plan, and to raise

funds towards beginning the purchase process.  



The woods is rapidly becoming a unique

island of mature trees, as forests are destroyed and severely-

logged on every side.  Every day, except Sundays, during my visit,

I saw truckloads of logs going towards town.  This continues the

year around.   Here and there in the county are isolated patches

of mature forest held by private landowners, but they are getting

more rare and more isolated.   Each year, some of the mature woods

are logged out, and each year some woods are bulldozed and

destroyed.



Every day, the Murray woods becomes relatively more valuable as

real estate, due to the destruction of surrounding timber lands.

Each day it also becomes more valuable as an example of mature

native woods to be saved for future generations.   Whether it 

will be destroyed, or saved, is up to me and you.





Tree Count



I have transferred the data of my 1995 tree count on the main

Murray woodlot to graphs.  My approximate count of all trees over

3 inch dia. in the 15 acres gives the following:

--------------------------------

Total 969 trees, 19 species



Ash 75   Beech 185    Buckeye 24   Cedar 83

Cucumber 3   Dogwood 21    Elm 4   Hackberry 1

Hickory 72   Ironwood 5    Locust 2   Maple 248

Mulberry 5   Pine 1   Poplar 81    Oak 69

Sassafras 32    Sycamore 8    Black Walnut 50



Number of trees over 24 inch diameter: 146

---------------------------------------------

The next step is to count the herb plants of the understorey

and chart how they are distributed.  My main reason for starting 

the biological census is in order to be able to publish how much

life and "economic" potential is being wiped out, when forests are

destroyed for various "economic" reasons.



The census will also be useful to show how plant populations

move and change in the forest over a period of time.



Presently the most prolific herbs include bloodroot, beth

(trillium), and mayapple.  Ginseng is fairly abundant. New

Goldenseal starts have been introduced, adding to some 

already existing plants. 







St.Johns Wort



Karen Shelton (of Alternative Nature), sent some St.Johns Wort

seed.  I planted a patch about 130' x 40', at my mother's farm. 



I harvested a couple ounces of Bloodroot during the May visit,

from the Murray place and from another place near Powells Creek

area.



=====

===

=

Visit GCG and the Alternative Nature Online Herbal Newsletter,

at 

   http://www.altnature.com/



Both Karen and me are always glad to hear from persons

who love the wild plants!



--Carlos Lee Murray, at Ottawa

###

###

--

joy



From bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jun 15 07:57:50 1998

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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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Dear Herb Helpers,



It is really encouraging to hear about

more people  doing good things for the  wild herbs.



There are ginseng growers who emphasize chemical-free

natural methods,  there are harvesters who always

leave more than they take, there are  webmasters and

writers working  to educate and increase public

awareness, 

there are groups  preserving forest habitats and

other people saving native seeds.





We all want the same thing: a sustainable future for

the wild herb plants.   Each working in different ways,

and sometimes in the same ways  towards a common goal.







Today I invite you to think about how we might cooperate

more, united by this common theme.   





First, I would like to point to the Alternative Nature

Online Herbal Newsletter as a central information resource

for wild herbs, with an orientation towards respect of the

plants as living beings,  and sustainable practices.



Through links, the newsletter, chats,  advertising, as

members or sponsors,  we can all be connected via Altnature 

to each other and to the public.   



Altnature is not just a place where people can find 

comprehensive information about herbs- it's a

place for people who care.







Second, I would like to point to United Plant Savers as an 

organization that embodies  all of our goals towards sustaining

the wild herbs' future. 



The activity being done by each of us to help nature, can be

brought under the  umbrella of UpS.  If we are not yet active,

a good way to start is by sharing  profit with UpS.



UpS has both the down-to-earth ability, and the academic

credentials  to represent our common goals for the wild herbs.

 





Ginseng Cooperators Group invites small-scale harvesters, and 

crafters of herb products, to join its marketing directory

co-op, hosted by Altnature.  All

income pays a percent to benefit nature in various ways.  One

soapmaker (Luna's Handcrafted Herbal Soaps)  designates a percent

of income to UpS.    





It is good that we have so many different persons, companies and

groups in the wild herbs industry,  who care about sustaining the 

future.  It's good to remain independent,  whether as co-ops or

businesses.  



However there can be advantages to cooperation 

with like-minded people on the larger scale.   I point to

Altnature  and Plantsavers as  two organizations that  can

serve each of us on the larger scene --- Altnature as a central

information resource for people who care about the plants;

Plantsavers to specialize in the projects and practices

of applied plant-saving.





The role of GCG is to serve as a facility as needed, or to set

an example, towards cooperation among people and plants.  I started

out trying to do everything, but...



Altnature does a great job with GCG's information needs. 

UpS seems to have the potential to do bigger and better things

in replanting, than we can do alone...



Maybe GCG can specialize in the market co-op... provided I

can find somebody else to organize these land trusts!







Alternative Nature    http://www.altnature.com/



United Plant Savers    http://www.plantsavers.org/



Ginseng Cooperators Group  

 http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/home.htm



###

--

joy



From jhansen@pioneer.net Mon Jun 15 11:36:33 1998

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What does anybody know about the Stevia plant?  Origin? Side effects or

benefits aside from being a sugar substitute?







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>What does anybody know about the Stevia plant?  Origin? Side effects or

>benefits aside from being a sugar substitute?



Native to south America.  Benefits, especially for diabetics Type 1 and Type 2,

is that it won't interfere with blood glucose levels and it has been shown to

actually reduce blood glucose levels thereby lessing...but not

eliminating...the daily intake of insulin.



Check out these sites to find out more.

http://www.healthfree.com/stev/ifc.htm

http://res.agr.ca/lond/pmrc/faq/stevia.html

http://www.herbs.org/index.html

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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From: "Sharon L. Herke" <sh22@evansville.edu>

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Does anyone know where I can get any recipes for using stevia?



Thanks, Sharon





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Ecru,



It originated in Paraguay.  In my books, I can find no benefits listed,

other than its being a good sugar substitute.  It is said to be two-hundred

times sweeter than sugar.  No mention was made of side effects.  It can be

used successfully for cooking and baking (does not lose its sweetness),

while the other sugar substitutes lose sweetness when heated beyond a

certain point.



Delores



Ecru <jhansen@pioneer.net> wrote in article

<3584dd6e.0@news10.kcdata.com>...

> What does anybody know about the Stevia plant?  Origin? Side effects or

> benefits aside from being a sugar substitute?

> 

> 

> 



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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***



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From mommalock@aol.com Mon Jun 15 13:40:31 1998

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>I am having serious energy loss.



Hi - also note that Depression can cause Severe energy loss and the doctor will

probably not 'find' anything wrong...unles you tell him/her All of your

symptoms or changes you've noticed.







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I missed the original thread here but I thought I'd poke my head in. I'm always

finding people on newsgroups who are suffering from CFIDS/ME and have moronic

physicians who don't know how to diagnosis it. If your doctor is not educated in

CFIDS/ME diagnosis, your doc will not do the right labwork and won't know what to

look for. If you have other symptoms besides severe energy loss such as chronic

sore throat, swollen/painful lymph nodes, neurocognitive probs (poor memory/ memory

loss, brainfog, dizziness, vertigo, etc), muscle fatigue, fainting/

lightheadedness, etc, then CFIDS/ME could be the problem. My CFIDS/ME website is

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen :)







Mommalock wrote:



> >I am having serious energy loss.

>

> Hi - also note that Depression can cause Severe energy loss and the doctor will

> probably not 'find' anything wrong...unles you tell him/her All of your

> symptoms or changes you've noticed.







--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************







From pookiehd@aol.com Mon Jun 15 16:22:03 1998

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My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has spread

to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2 different

presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of this

and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will work.  Thank you,

Kim



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Try slicing fresh garlic and applying to the sores. Cover them with =

gauze and leave on overnight. Continue this until they are gone. Worked =

for us when my daughter got them.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:46:25 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Try slicing fresh garlic and applying to the sores. Cover them with gauze and leave on overnight. Continue this until they are gone. Worked for us when my daughter got them.



If you leave garlic for that long on unblemished skin you'll have it blemished

come morning. Put vegetable oil on the skin where you do not want direct contact

with the garlic. Skin that turns red under garlic will almost certainly blister

painfully.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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Subject: Re: Ringworm help

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In article <1998061513220300.JAA22621@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

pookiehd@aol.com (Pookiehd) wrote:



#My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has spread

#to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2 different

#presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of this

#and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will work.  Thank you,

#Kim



Tea Tree Oil



Tea Tree Ointment



Reduce carbo intake



Rub vinegar on skin



Avoid alkalinizing soaps (like Ivory)



Increase water intake



Examine general immune status and support if needed.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



From princessravenfyre@no.spam.usa.net Mon Jun 15 20:55:46 1998

From: princessravenfyre@no.spam.usa.net (Gillie)

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Subject: Re: Ringworm help

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:46 -0700

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> In article <1998061513220300.JAA22621@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

> pookiehd@aol.com (Pookiehd) wrote:

> 

> #My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his

 hand and it has spread

> #to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and

 tried 2 different

> #presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to

 get rid of this

> #and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will

 work.  Thank you,

> #Kim



I know of something that works for tinea versicolor which is close to 

the same thing as ring-worm.  I know that doctors give the same 

medications to treat both fungi.



Selson-Blue the drandruff shampoo works.  Before your son goes to bed, 

put the shampoo on his skin.  Don't rub it in, just coat his skin 

wherever and over the edges of the area he has the fungus.  In the 

morning, he should take a shower and remove all of the shampoo and 

within a few days it will fade.  It may or may not come back a few 

months later, in which case, you would just repeat the process.



BTW, it's the selenium in the Selsun Blue that works.  Other dandruff 

shampoos do not have the same active ingredients. Also, if he has any 

cuts or abrasions in the area, the shampoo should not be used as it 

will sting.



Hope this helps.  It's helped me :)



Kisses,

Gillie





-- 

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A new foot fetish mailing list:  

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Make a strong thyme tea...allow to cool completely...apply to affected area

with cotton ball three to four times a day until it's gone.  Store the tea in

the frig.



Does wonders for eczema, ring worm, athlete's foot...all kinds of skin

problems...except acne.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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I've always had luck with tea tree oil for ringworm.







From vandy@avana.net Thu Jun 18 02:35:24 1998

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:55:46 -0700, princessravenfyre@no.spam.usa.net

(Gillie) wrote:



>

>Selson-Blue the drandruff shampoo works.  Before your son goes to bed, 

>put the shampoo on his skin.  Don't rub it in, just coat his skin 

>wherever and over the edges of the area he has the fungus.  In the 

>morning, he should take a shower and remove all of the shampoo and 

>within a few days it will fade.  It may or may not come back a few 

>months later, in which case, you would just repeat the process.



Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical in

most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both humans

and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

tend to use this same chemical.



This information was given me during my first pregnancy.  The

information about horses also being affected was later confirmed by a

horse breeder.



Please, beware.



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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Subject: Re: Ringworm help

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:05:00 +0100

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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998  In article <3589283b.6496537@news.avan

a.net>, vandy@avana.net writes

>Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical in

>most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both humans

>and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

>occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

>tend to use this same chemical.

>

complete and utter crap. 



The chemical in anti dandruff shampoos is a zinc salt, whose

name escapes me at the moment. Do you think shampoos

designed for human use would get approval for sale if the active

ingredient had the effects you describe?! I'll tell you what, I'll have

a look at the Merck index for the active chemical, and post it here.





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Selenium, I believe.  Generally a good mineral, except when ingested

while pregnant.  Even then, it's only in excess that it's worrisome.

However, the difference between RDA and excess isn't that much, so

it's good to watch it carefully if you're taking it as a supplement.

I've had a tubal and still only take it 3 or 4 times a week max,

rather than the 1 a day recommended on the bottle.



I gravely doubt that shampooing your hair is going to make your baby

grow an extra head or turn up missing one.  Just watch the pills, as

you should watch any pills during pregnancy.  Consult your medical

advisor or stop taking them at that time.







On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:05:00 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

wrote:



>x-no-archive: yes

>

>On Wed, 17 Jun 1998  In article <3589283b.6496537@news.avan

>a.net>, vandy@avana.net writes

>>Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical in

>>most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both humans

>>and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

>>occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

>>tend to use this same chemical.

>>

>complete and utter crap. 

>

>The chemical in anti dandruff shampoos is a zinc salt, whose

>name escapes me at the moment. Do you think shampoos

>designed for human use would get approval for sale if the active

>ingredient had the effects you describe?! I'll tell you what, I'll have

>a look at the Merck index for the active chemical, and post it here.

>

>

>To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

>uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

>You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



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Patience helps.  



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From vandy@avana.net Mon Jun 22 04:36:02 1998

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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:05:00 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

wrote:



>On Wed, 17 Jun 1998  In article <3589283b.6496537@news.avan

>a.net>, vandy@avana.net writes



>>Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical in

>>most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both humans

>>and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

>>occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

>>tend to use this same chemical.



>complete and utter crap. 



I thank you for so politely correcting my post.  Meanwhile if I am

wrong please show me why.  I am working from information given by

medical doctors and veterinarians.



>The chemical in anti dandruff shampoos is a zinc salt, whose

>name escapes me at the moment. 



I am not sure what chemical is the causal agent.  I don't think zinc

salt sounds correct.



>Do you think shampoos

>designed for human use would get approval for sale if the active

>ingredient had the effects you describe?! I'll tell you what, I'll have

>a look at the Merck index for the active chemical, and post it here.



A lot of things are for sale that can cause great harm.  Dandruff

shampoos do usually have a warning against use by pregnant women on

the label.  Cigarettes cause fetal development problems and are still

sold in most places.  Alcohol is readily available and dangerous to

human unborn.



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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vandy@avana.net wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:05:00 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

> wrote:

> 

> >On Wed, 17 Jun 1998  In article <3589283b.6496537@news.avan

> >a.net>, vandy@avana.net writes

> 

> >>Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical in

> >>most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both humans

> >>and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

> >>occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

> >>tend to use this same chemical.

> 

> >complete and utter crap.

> 

> I thank you for so politely correcting my post.  Meanwhile if I am

> wrong please show me why.  I am working from information given by

> medical doctors and veterinarians.

> 

> >The chemical in anti dandruff shampoos is a zinc salt, whose

> >name escapes me at the moment.

> 

> I am not sure what chemical is the causal agent.  I don't think zinc

> salt sounds correct.

> 

> >Do you think shampoos

> >designed for human use would get approval for sale if the active

> >ingredient had the effects you describe?! I'll tell you what, I'll have

> >a look at the Merck index for the active chemical, and post it here.

> 

> A lot of things are for sale that can cause great harm.  Dandruff

> shampoos do usually have a warning against use by pregnant women on

> the label.  Cigarettes cause fetal development problems and are still

> sold in most places.  Alcohol is readily available and dangerous to

> human unborn.

> 

> posted to newsgroup

> vandy at avana dot net

> Georgia,south eastern USA





Could it be that the disagreement here is a misunderstanding of

products?  I mean dandruff shampoos are totally different than those

shampoos with tar as the ingredient (forget the name).



If I'm wrong...just tell me.



Fidget



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On Mon, 22 Jun 1998  In article <358d9b0c.10263692@news.ava

na.net>, vandy@avana.net writes

>>Pregnant women need avoid dandruff shampoos.  The active chemical 

>in

>>>most dandruff shampoos can cause severe birth defects in both 

>humans

>>>and horses.  This chemical halts what ever fetal development is

>>>occurring at the time of ingestion.  Dog and cat fleas/ tick shampoos

>>>tend to use this same chemical.

>

>>complete and utter crap. 

>

>I thank you for so politely correcting my post.  Meanwhile if I am

>wrong please show me why.  I am working from information given by

>medical doctors and veterinarians.



My apologies for shooting from the hip. Nothing personal is/was

meant by this. See the paragraph at the end as to why I was rude.

The next section deals with your question:



>

>>The chemical in anti dandruff shampoos is a zinc salt, whose

>>name escapes me at the moment. 

>

>I am not sure what chemical is the causal agent.  I don't think zinc

>salt sounds correct.



This relates to shampoos designed for human use.



The active ingredient is zinc pyrithione. The following sites list

products which contain it:



http://www.sanavita.com/dermazinc.html

http://www.cybersoupandsand.com/study.htm



and the following sites are medline/educational related (ie not

'selling something')



http://www.rxmed.com/monographs/z-plus.html

http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/vumcdept/derm/contact/ZI005.html



This last site gives some info on possible adverse reactions, but

mentions that they are extremely rare. There is also mention that

formulations containing ~2% zinc pyrithione have been around for

about 30 years, and that it is one of the best treatments for

dandruff that are available.



*THERE WAS NO MENTION OF BIRTH DEFECTS*

.

I cannot access the merck index as promised at the moment, I

hope the URLs supplied aid your research.

>

>A lot of things are for sale that can cause great harm.



yes. nothing is perfectly safe, and some things are lethal if used

incorrectly.



> Dandruff

>shampoos do usually have a warning against use by pregnant women 

>on

>the label



which brands?



>.  Cigarettes cause fetal development problems and are still

>sold in most places.  Alcohol is readily available and dangerous to

>human unborn.



However, if cigarettes and alcohol were submitted for FDA

approval now, they would never get through. There are historical

reasons why they are still available.



(now, onto products designed for animal use)



What component of coal-tar soap causes severe birth defects 

(i) at all

(ii) at exposure to levels when the coal-tar product is used

normally.



Explanation why my initial response was caustic:



People making bald statements without proof, particularly when

derogatory, gets my back up. It contributes to a culture of

misinformation, and can result in a more harmful product being

used for whatever purpose. In your particular case, all it took to get

what I cite was to look on the active ingredient list of an anti

dandruff shampoo bottle, then do a websearch of the active

ingredient.





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Pookiehd wrote in message

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>My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has

spread

>to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2 different

>presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of



The best one I know of is taking the outside hull of the black walnut.  It

is a tar like substance and will stain some. but it will kill ringworm

immediately.  Unfortunately, it may be hard to find this season of the year-

get it in the Fall.



treeline@indy.net







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Pookiehd wrote:

> 

> My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has spread

> to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2 different

> presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of this

> and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will work.  Thank you,

> Kim



We had good success with fresh aloe vera applied to the ringworm every

couple of hours.   It worked like a charm.



J9



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Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@world.com> wrote:



>Pookiehd wrote:

>> 

>> My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has spread

>> to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2 different

>> presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of this

>> and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will work.  Thank you,

>> Kim

>

>We had good success with fresh aloe vera applied to the ringworm every

>couple of hours.   It worked like a charm.

>

>J9



When I was a small child, I seem to get ringworm frequently.  My mother

treated it with the sap from a fig tree.  It was applied 2 or 3 times a day.

It cleared up in a few days.

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From michael.e.freeland@roundfile.boeing.com Thu Jun 18 21:57:15 1998

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Ring worm is a fungus, isn't it?  If I were in your shoes, I'd apply Tea

Tree Oil topically.  I believe it is an antifungal as well as an

antiseptic, very reasonable in cost and readily available in health food

stores.  Perhaps someone else can verify the "antifungal" properties of Tea

Tree Oil.  I think it's worth a try and I'm not aware of any risks.  Check

it out on the web and see what you can learn.

-- 

Mike

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> Pookiehd wrote:

> > 

> > My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has

spread





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I vote for tea tree oil. My regular doctor prescribed an all purpose

fungal/cortisone cream for my ringworm. It didn't work after weeks of

applications that thinned my skin. I then went to a dermatologist who

prescribed an anti fungal pill. I had a allergic reaction to the pill and

stopped taking it the next day. A few days later I read that tea tree might

work. It did! And within a few weeks it was gone. I put it on 2-3 times a

day.  

-- 

Elaine  

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Pookiehd <pookiehd@aol.com> wrote in article

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> My 11 year old son has a nasty patch of ringworm on his hand and it has

spread

> to his chest.  I have taken him to the doctor 2 times and tried 2

different

> presciptions, neither of which have helped.  I really want to get rid of

this

> and would appreciate any imput for herbal remedies that will work.  Thank

you,

> Kim



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A few weeks ago, in the Sunday Times Magazine there were a group of

predictive articles, including one about the National Health Service

(NHS) of the future. In this article  it was postulated that soon,

treatment would be given on a prioritized basis to those with the

highest social status. It implied that treatment would be awarded on

merit. The level of an individual's merit would be assessed by means

of a "points" system.



What I found surprising, was the implication that this system was not

yet in operation. For a while now I've had the distinct impression

that this was exactly how the current system _did_ work.



Recently, a relatively elderly acquaintance appeared to be catapulted

up the waiting list for an eye operation, which was carried out in a

private clinic just a couple of weeks after his final decision to

apply for surgical treatment.



Later when I was discussing the experience with the recipient of this

fine treatment, I said how reassuring it was that a I could look

forward to this level of care should ther need ever arise.

"Oh no!" Said the chap, "You'll never get this kind of treatment; but

you'll be all right"



For sure, this was a very fine and worthy man. If his social standing

enables him to get quick and effective treatment for his ills, good

luck to him. 



What I would like to know is: 



Is a merit system as described above in operation in the UK?



If so, is it possible to find out what ones current rating in that

system is?



The main point I'd like to make, is that from my reading I've gained

the distinct impression that the current medical system in the UK,

came into being largely as a result of the Medical Profession's

prohibitive intervention into a system of popular self-medication that

was proving to be rather _too_effective. By legislative action,

doctors made themselves the arbiters and sole "official" source of

what had been, until then, freely available traditional medicines.



During the times that the Medical Profession's system has functioned

on a  widely available basis, what they have had to offer has been of

immense value. If the scope and quality of medical treatment in this

country (UK) is going to decline for those but the chosen few, it

would seem expedient that those deemed unworthy of medical care should

have made available to them, that range of medicines proscribed by

current Medical practice.



Of course, I have a vested interest, as can be seen in my sig. :-)

--

Tony Halmarack =*= Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



******    TERMINAL WING-DING CLUB    ******

                   ~~~~

  ** Go out with a bang, not a whimper **

                                                             



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french guy looking for informations on achilea millefolium



we call it a flower of st jhon



stephane







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Stephane wrote:

>>french guy looking for informations on achilea millefolium



>we call it a flower of st jhon



Dear Stephane:

Achillea millefolium, or yarrow, is not related to St. John's Wort, Hypericum

perfoliatum.  Perhaps you mean something else by saying a flower of St.John. 

I've hard that yarrow can be used in tincture form to create energy field

boundaries.  Wild yarrow grows in "edge" type environments or in pastures/open

disturbed fields.  "Millefolium" refers to the leaf strcture of yarrow, which

is finely divided, as if into a "thousand" leaflets.  It generally blooms June

through the frost.  Other related harbs are tansy and feverfew, all of which

are in the lettuce family, or Compositae.  Goodbye!  I'm on someone else's

account -- Alyssa



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Interesting concept ... the idea of freezing herbs.



Does this in anyway interfere or alter them?



Marcia





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Hi All~



Does anyone know the effects of taking herbs (eg, ginko biloba, ginseng, kava

kava & valerian) with anti-depressants?  Sad to say (no pun intended) that SJW

did NOT work for me.  I'm on serzone (last resort) and have been a hardcore

vegan besides.  I had such a bad reaction to herbs before that I'm afraid to

try them again.  Has anyone had any similar experiences?



Thanks...any help will be greatly appreciated!  :-)



Flux

*****



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It's not a good idea. When I take -any- herb I make sure i'm not

currently taking -any- medication.



-Val



===-

NO SPAM!



Flux013 wrote:

> 

> Hi All~

> 

> Does anyone know the effects of taking herbs (eg, ginko biloba, ginseng, kava

> kava & valerian) with anti-depressants?  Sad to say (no pun intended) that SJW

> did NOT work for me.  I'm on serzone (last resort) and have been a hardcore

> vegan besides.  I had such a bad reaction to herbs before that I'm afraid to

> try them again.  Has anyone had any similar experiences?

> 

> Thanks...any help will be greatly appreciated!  :-)

> 

> Flux

> *****



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flux013@aol.com (Flux013) wrote:



>Does anyone know the effects of taking herbs (eg, ginko biloba, ginseng, kava

>kava & valerian) with anti-depressants? 

  The only medical reviews I found were with SJW and

anti-depressants.  The usual effect was to decrease the amount of

the anti-depressant needed, even for those who didn't get relief

from SJW alone.  It had a booster effect. 



>Sad to say (no pun intended) that SJW

>did NOT work for me.  I'm on serzone (last resort) and have been a hardcore

>vegan besides.  

  Try increasing your B vitamin intake - vegans have difficulty

getting enough of the B12.  And make very sure you are getting

enough of the essential amino acids - again it takes careful

eating to do this on a vegan diet.

  Low-grade malnutrition has a depressing effect.



>I had such a bad reaction to herbs 

  What reaction, which herbs?







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Seems to me that you might as well ask about taking parsley and

anti-depressants. A plant should not harm you (other than those which are

posionious) if taken as a whole, not as a pill.



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LEvans wrote:



>>"Seems to me that you might as well ask about taking parsley and

anti-depressants. A plant should not harm you (other than those which are

posionious) if taken as a whole, not as a pill."<<





YIKES!  Wrong-o!!  Plants have active ingredients and CAN harm you!  As posted

earlier, there is at least one report of a kava kava induced coma in a patient

who was taking Xanax.



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So what is Xanax? A plant? 



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On 18 Jun 1998 20:53:05 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>So what is Xanax? A plant? 



Not a plant, but a prescribed drug to calm or relieve anxiety.  Very

similar to Valium.

CYA!



Krista Fraser,

Email: frasers@surenet.net





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DJSampson wrote in message

<1998061816270200.MAA09229@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>LEvans wrote:

>

>>>"Seems to me that you might as well ask about taking parsley and

>anti-depressants. A plant should not harm you (other than those which are

>posionious) if taken as a whole, not as a pill."<<

>

>

>YIKES!  Wrong-o!!  Plants have active ingredients and CAN harm you!  As

posted

>earlier, there is at least one report of a kava kava induced coma in a

patient

>who was taking Xanax.



>>Hi.  I'm new around here - missed that info on the kava kava induced coma.

Would appreciate info as I take a similar drug, as well as kava.  Thanks !







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If you are taking any type of anti-depressant (prescription) - DO NOT

TAKE KAVA.  You take one or the other - not both!  This is what this

sleep induced coma is all about!



Fidget









Rob wrote:

> 

> DJSampson wrote in message

> <1998061816270200.MAA09229@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >LEvans wrote:

> >

> >>>"Seems to me that you might as well ask about taking parsley and

> >anti-depressants. A plant should not harm you (other than those which are

> >posionious) if taken as a whole, not as a pill."<<

> >

> >

> >YIKES!  Wrong-o!!  Plants have active ingredients and CAN harm you!  As

> posted

> >earlier, there is at least one report of a kava kava induced coma in a

> patient

> >who was taking Xanax.

> 

> >>Hi.  I'm new around here - missed that info on the kava kava induced coma.

> Would appreciate info as I take a similar drug, as well as kava.  Thanks !



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Rob wrote:



> DJSampson wrote in message

> <1998061816270200.MAA09229@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >LEvans wrote:

> >

> >>>"Seems to me that you might as well ask about taking parsley and

> >anti-depressants. A plant should not harm you (other than those which are

> >posionious) if taken as a whole, not as a pill."<<

> >

> >

> >YIKES!  Wrong-o!!  Plants have active ingredients and CAN harm you!  As

> posted

> >earlier, there is at least one report of a kava kava induced coma in a

> patient

> >who was taking Xanax.

>

> >>Hi.  I'm new around here - missed that info on the kava kava induced

> coma.Would appreciate info as I take a similar drug, as well as kava.  Thanks

> !





Kava kava doesn't induce coma on it's own. Herbs have a LOT less side effects

than medications but they work well....this mean that they will interact with

medications at times. There is evidence that kava kava and Xanax are a BAD mix

although I don't know the research study off the top of my head. Maybe you

should consider talking to your doc about switching to the kava kava in place of

the Xanax for a trial run? I believe the NIH is beginning to do some research on

SJW and kava kava and other herbs like that now so you could probably bring that

up for your doc to look up (if your doc is the jerk-type).



Take care,

--

Jen :)



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djsampson@aol.com (DJSampson) wrote:



>YIKES!  Wrong-o!!  Plants have active ingredients and CAN harm you!  As posted

>earlier, there is at least one report of a kava kava induced coma in a patient

>who was taking Xanax.

  WHAT?  Can you cite the reference for that? 





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>>I had such a bad reaction to herbs 

>  What reaction, which herbs?



I've been an insomniac for years -- last summer I tried melatonin but it had

the opposite effect (ie, complete sleeplessness and nightmares) so I gave that

up after three days.  I was taking SJW from January 1st to Mid-May and was

horrifically anxious, hypersensitive, insomniac, amenorrheac (sp?!) and just

plain depressed and in a foul mood all the time and couldn't get motivated to

do anything.  



With all the fabulous things one hears about SJW, I couldn't imagine that it

was the SJW doing it, so I tried Kava Kava to chill out and spent several

afternoons with my head on my desk.  For insomnia I took Valerian but gave it

up when I kept having to increase the dosage when it didn't have any effect but

make me super-dopey in the morning.  I thought Ginseng would help, but it only

seemed to increase my anxiety.  :-(



The serzone's been working, though.  It's not an official SSRI but is in that

neighborhood so I'm wary about mixing SJW with it.  My insomnia's fixed and my

mood has improved in the past month or so that I've been taking it, thank

goodness.



Thanks so much for all your great info!!  I really appreciate it.  :-)  (BTW, I

do take a B complex)  Take care!



Flux

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Are you eating herbs or pills?



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please, for your own safety, do not mix anti-depressants with ANY medicinal

herbs without consulting a doctor first.  over-the-counter herbal remedies are

unregulated, which means you can get all sorts of different strengths. 

similarly, there are antidepressants that react negatively with grapefruit

juice (and i did not pull this out of thin air -- my friend was on that

particular one briefly, but we've been through so many i can't remember which)

or other foods, as well as the better-known over-the-counter medications for

allergies, et al.  safety should be a major concern; you are using herbs for

helath.

 be safe:  bwong



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"Please, for your own safety don't use any medications and other pills without

consulting your doctor", might have been a better way to put it.  It seems

insane to eliminate herbs from your diet. 



Did you know that there is something in parsley that can induce a miscarrage?

Shall we suggest that all pregnant women stop eating parsley? No. Let's just

stop eating pills and move on back to the plant itself.







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LEvans1044 wrote in message

<1998062322413000.SAA27755@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Did you know that there is something in parsley that can induce a

miscarrage?

>Shall we suggest that all pregnant women stop eating parsley? No. Let's

just

>stop eating pills and move on back to the plant itself.





What has the fact that parsley can cause miscarriage have to do with pills?



-Rich









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>>Did you know that there is something in parsley that can induce a

>miscarrage?

>>Shall we suggest that all pregnant women stop eating parsley? No. Let's

>just

>>stop eating pills and move on back to the plant itself.

>

>

>What has the fact that parsley can cause miscarriage have to do with pills?

>

>-Rich

>



Folks keep saying stay away from such and such an herb if you are on

medication. They seem to be speaking of pills not herbs/weeds. I would like to

suggest that these people talk about not taking certain pills rather than

herbs...that's what it has to do with miscarriages.



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Attributions restored....



LEvans1044 wrote:



> Richard Ogden wrote:



>> LEvans1044 wrote:



>>> Did you know that there is something in parsley that can induce 

>>> a miscarrage?  Shall we suggest that all pregnant women stop 

>>> eating parsley? No. Let's just stop eating pills and move on 

>>> back to the plant itself.



>> What has the fact that parsley can cause miscarriage have to do 

>> with pills?

 

> Folks keep saying stay away from such and such an herb if you are 

> on medication. They seem to be speaking of pills not herbs/weeds. 

> I would like to suggest that these people talk about not taking 

> certain pills rather than herbs...that's what it has to do with 

> miscarriages.



Do what?  Avoidance of allopathic prescription medications would 

in no way alter the fact that parsley has long been regarded as 

an abortifacient in its raw state and in sufficient quantity.



[Folklore verse:  "Parsley grows rank in cuckolds' gardens."]



-Kyra



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Right, in sufficient quantity LOTS of harmless herbs/weeds can harm you and if

the active ingredient has been somehow extracted and put into a pill you have

more of a chance of getting too much of one ingredient.

 

What I am saying is that by staying with the plant rather than the drug

companies who make the "natural" herbal miracles, you do not have to worry as

much about interactions with prescription medication. Naturally I would not

recommend that a person on a blood thinning medication take a tincture of a

plant known to thin blood for any length of time. Nor would I suggest that a

pregnant woman eat a ton of parsley but it would take such great quantities of

the parsley that it is highly unlikely she would be tempted to do so.



This making any sense to anyone?



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i was not advocating pills vs. herbs -- a message was posted re:  taking herbal

remedies WHILE on antidepressants.  to reiterate my little fun fact of some

medications reacting with grapefruit juice, i would imagine there are other

naturally-occuring chemicals in foods  that interact with the synthetic mix of

chemicals  found in antidepressants -- check out a PDR.  i have no objection to

people using herbals remedies, in pill, tincture, tea or whatever form.  i do

it myself.  i'm just advising caution.  people have died from

self-administering plant-based concoctions from poisonous species, including

belladonna, based on folk recipes.  these instances probably do not occur with

the same frequency as medication-related deaths, but i have no statistics to

back up that supposition.



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If one is putting dried herb into a capsule it cannot be called a remedy unless

you are talking about a placebo effect. The amount of any herb that will fit

into a capsule is soooo small I cannot see it having any use.



There are far more deaths from prescription medications than herbs.



I do realize there are herbal abortants. Vit C in high dosages will also do the

trick.

>i was not advocating pills vs. herbs -- a message was posted re:  taking

>herbal

>remedies WHILE on antidepressants.  to reiterate my little fun fact of some

>medications reacting with grapefruit juice, i would imagine there are other

>naturally-occuring chemicals in foods  that interact with the synthetic mix

>of

>chemicals  found in antidepressants -- check out a PDR.  i have no objection

>to

>people using herbals remedies, in pill, tincture, tea or whatever form.  i do

>it myself.  i'm just advising caution.  people have died from

>self-administering plant-based concoctions from poisonous species, including

>belladonna, based on folk recipes.  these instances probably do not occur

>with

>the same frequency as medication-related deaths, but i have no statistics to

>back up that supposition.







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LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> If one is putting dried herb into a capsule it cannot be called a remedy unless

> you are talking about a placebo effect. The amount of any herb that will fit

> into a capsule is soooo small I cannot see it having any use.

> 

> There are far more deaths from prescription medications than herbs.



Can you back this up with statistics? Presription medicines leave a

'paper trail' meaning that cause of death can be ascertained. Because

most herbs can be bought or picked without any record whatsoever, it is

more difficult to determine whether a particular herb is the cause of

death. There is little difference between a misused herbal preparation

and a misused prescription, other than the fact that the misused

prescription is recorded.





> 

> I do realize there are herbal abortants. Vit C in high dosages will also do the

> trick.

> >i was not advocating pills vs. herbs -- a message was posted re:  taking

> >herbal

> >remedies WHILE on antidepressants.  to reiterate my little fun fact of some

> >medications reacting with grapefruit juice, i would imagine there are other

> >naturally-occuring chemicals in foods  that interact with the synthetic mix

> >of

> >chemicals  found in antidepressants -- check out a PDR.  i have no objection

> >to

> >people using herbals remedies, in pill, tincture, tea or whatever form.  i do

> >it myself.  i'm just advising caution.  people have died from

> >self-administering plant-based concoctions from poisonous species, including

> >belladonna, based on folk recipes.  these instances probably do not occur

> >with

> >the same frequency as medication-related deaths, but i have no statistics to

> >back up that supposition.



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On 25 Jun 1998 13:54:13 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>If one is putting dried herb into a capsule it cannot be called a remedy unless

>you are talking about a placebo effect. The amount of any herb that will fit

>into a capsule is soooo small I cannot see it having any use.



You want to say 'the amount of -active- herb...'. Now, it may be true that you

don't get enough herb for the desired effect in a capsule

- if you buy your capsules from a store

- which buys -their- herb from commerce (most herbs in commerce are practically

inert anyway, and powdering these will further add to the damage)

- and which uses capsule machines to fill their capsules,

- which then sit on diverse shelves for a couple years.



If you pick and dry your own herbs (this way guaranteeing that you have quality

herb), and fill your capsules by hand, packing the herb tight enough to avoid

oxidative damage you will most certainly get enough herb to give you an effect.



Henriette



--

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>>If one is putting dried herb into a capsule it cannot be called a remedy

>unless

>>you are talking about a placebo effect. The amount of any herb that will fit

>>into a capsule is soooo small I cannot see it having any use.

>

>You want to say 'the amount of -active- herb...'. Now, it may be true that

>you

>don't get enough herb for the desired effect in a capsule

>- if you buy your capsules from a store

>- which buys -their- herb from commerce (most herbs in commerce are

>practically

>inert anyway, and powdering these will further add to the damage)

>- and which uses capsule machines to fill their capsules,

>- which then sit on diverse shelves for a couple years.

>

>If you pick and dry your own herbs (this way guaranteeing that you have

>quality

>herb), and fill your capsules by hand, packing the herb tight enough to avoid

>oxidative damage you will most certainly get enough herb to give you an

>effect.

>

>Henriette

>

>



Henriette,



Even the capsules in Finland can't be large enough to hold enough herb to do a

person much good, or much harm for that matter.



Also the benefits are questionable with capsules in general. I tend to believe

that the pill taker is just trying to use herbs as modern medicine has taught

us.



Belinda (formerly of Noormarrku)



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levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>What I am saying is that by staying with the plant rather than the drug

>companies who make the "natural" herbal miracles, you do not have to worry as

>much about interactions with prescription medication.

  Not really ... some of the plants have enough active ingredient

to cause interactions without being extracted, purified, etc.

  You should be very cautious taking herbs with a known action in

combination with any prescription medication with a similar

action.





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levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>Folks keep saying stay away from such and such an herb if you are on

>medication. They seem to be speaking of pills not herbs/weeds.

  No - we are speaking of certain herbs.  While parsley as a

garnish is OK, eating large quantities of it is not a good idea

for pregnant women who want to stay that way.



> I would like to

>suggest that these people talk about not taking certain pills rather than

>herbs...that's what it has to do with miscarriages.

 Yoo obviously haven't been reading this newsgroup.  There is a

long list of herbs that can induce abortions.



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Jewel weed broth is good to relieve the itch. I make it and freeze it in the

freezer for emergencies.



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what is jewel weed? I can't find anything by that name.



LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> Jewel weed broth is good to relieve the itch. I make it and freeze it in the

> freezer for emergencies.



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Jewel Weed is Impatiens Capensis. It is a plant that grows in wet, shady areas.

The leaves are across from each other and water beads up on the leaves, thus

making it look as if the leaves do not get wet. The stalk is very near see

through or whitish.



Where have you been looking?



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Touch-me-not (Impatiens capensis, Impatiens pallida).





Dollar General wrote:



> what is jewel weed? I can't find anything by that name.



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Does anyone have any idea what I might have??????



I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck,

shoulders, spine, hips, knees, and feet. The symptons began last October and

have gradually become worse. From time to time the pain will disappear. Pain

will be all over and at times just in one spot. The severity of pain will

vary from day to day. I also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of

my neck just below my ear. I have been seen by a Orthopedic Doctor who has

found bone spurs on my spine. I have been checked for A.S. and various types

of arthritis with no diagnosis as of yet. If you have any idea what I might

have or suggestions of what test my doctor may preform to help find the

problem. Right now I am taking "Arthrotech" for pain and inflammation it

seems to help a little. Please email your response to

meandyou@shore.intercom.net





Thank you,



David Watson



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In article <6m4gaj$84u$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, surplus@writeme.com wrote:

>Does anyone have any idea what I might have??????

>

>I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck,

>shoulders, spine, hips, knees, and feet. The symptons began last October and

>have gradually become worse. From time to time the pain will disappear. Pain

>will be all over and at times just in one spot. The severity of pain will

>vary from day to day. I also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of

>my neck just below my ear. I have been seen by a Orthopedic Doctor who has

>found bone spurs on my spine. I have been checked for A.S. and various types

>of arthritis with no diagnosis as of yet. If you have any idea what I might

>have or suggestions of what test my doctor may preform to help find the

>problem. Right now I am taking "Arthrotech" for pain and inflammation it

>seems to help a little. Please email your response to



If you have already had the more obvious conditions ruled out, you might want 

to look into fibromyalgia.  I don't know enough about it to give you much more 

info than point you toward some sources of info:  alt.med.fibromyalgia, and 

<http://www.medhelp.org/www/piic/>.  



The website is a promotional thing for some doctors, but they have info on 

two chronic pain conditions there.



I wouldn't advise medicating, including with herbs,  for anything until you 

have a diagnosis.



Best of luck.



Sandy



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>If you have already had the more obvious conditions ruled out, you might

want

>to look into fibromyalgia.  I don't know enough about it to give you much

more

>info than point you toward some sources of info:  alt.med.fibromyalgia, and

><http://www.medhelp.org/www/piic/>.

>

Better Fibromyalgia information at http://www.fmnetnews.com/







From logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk Wed Jun 17 09:14:36 1998

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surplus@writeme.com wrote:

>I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck,

>shoulders, spine, hips, knees, and feet. The severity of pain will

>vary from day to day. I also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of

>my neck just below my ear. 



Hi David,



Your symptoms are very similar to mine - lots of pain in joints and

swollen lymph nodes.  I had other symptoms as well, but the pain was

one of the worst.   I have hypothyroidism and mild adrenal

dysfunction.  Both of these are easily treatable, one with Armour

natural desiccated thyroid and the other with a short term course of

hydro cortisone.  Here is a URL containing more information so you can

get a better picture of it. 



http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/schacter/hypothyr.d.htm



This article contains a list of symptoms, like fatigue, pain, coldness

in extremities, headaches, weight problems, etc.; information on

medications, and a simple test you can perform at home to help you

figure out if you are going down the right path.



Most doctors seem to know pretty much bugger all about the thyroid,

which is disgraceful when you consider just how widespread the effect

is when it goes wrong and just how much of the population it affects.

I was ill for 31 years until I found this URL and went to a specialist

who listened to me.  Now for the first time in my life, I am starting

to have an idea of what normal, healthy people feel like.  E-mail me

if you need someone to talk to or more info.



Kat

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I agree with most of those who responded to you but I wanted to add/correct some

things.



You need to be tested for everything (lyme,lupus,adrenal,thyroid, hormone,etc)

before there can be any diagnosis of Fibromyalgia. The only feature of diagnosis

is trigger points...I believe there are 11 that are excrucitatingly painful when

pressed. I think you need to have 8 out of 11? It's not very scientific really.



I have Fibromyalgia and CFIDS (they often go together) and there are herbal

treatments that help. If you 'only' have FM, it will be easier to treat because

you will not have the crippling fatigue with it.  Sleep problems are a biggie in

FM along with the pain and melatonin and valerian are good for that. Mild

excercise at your tolerable level (may mean just some stretching will help ease

muscle pain and stiffness.





> Does anyone have any idea what I might have??????

>

> I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck,

> shoulders, spine, hips, knees, and feet. The symptons began last October and

> have gradually become worse. From time to time the pain will disappear. Pain

> will be all over and at times just in one spot. The severity of pain will

> vary from day to day. I also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of

> my neck just below my ear. I have been seen by a Orthopedic Doctor who has

> found bone spurs on my spine. I have been checked for A.S. and various types

> of arthritis with no diagnosis as of yet. If you have any idea what I might

> have or suggestions of what test my doctor may preform to help find the

> problem. Right now I am taking "Arthrotech" for pain and inflammation it

> seems to help a little. Please email your response to

> meandyou@shore.intercom.net

>

> Thank you,

>

> David Watson





-- Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************







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Jen wrote:

> 

> I agree with most of those who responded to you but I wanted to add/correct some

> things.

> 

> You need to be tested for everything (lyme,lupus,adrenal,thyroid, hormone,etc)

> before there can be any diagnosis of Fibromyalgia.



4 out of 5 I will agree here.  Both lyme and fibromyalgia are the two

syndromes that have no diagnosis, well except if you contract lyme and

catch it immediately, otherwise the tests will always show up negative.

I have Fibro and I've come to that conclusion all by myself.  A few

doctors told me "well yeah, you may have that".  I know how I hurt and I

hurt all the time. There are no blood tests that will detect it. 

FM/CFIDS are very "misunderstood".    





 The only feature of diagnosis

> is trigger points...I believe there are 11 that are excrucitatingly painful when

> pressed. I think you need to have 8 out of 11? It's not very scientific really.



Those guys in the white coats say that there are 18 trigger points and

you need to have at least 11 of them to test positive.  However, I

disagree with that because what hurts today, doesn't hurt tomorrow.

Yeah, there are some trigger points that hurt all the time, but then

there are some that move around.  I wish they would change it to 8

points because I think that is a more realistic number.



> I have Fibromyalgia and CFIDS (they often go together) and there are herbal

> treatments that help. If you 'only' have FM, it will be easier to treat because

> you will not have the crippling fatigue with it. 



Unless I have both FM and CFIDS, I disagree with you.  FM alone can

cause CFIDS. I am in a constant state of fatigue and I think it's

because I'm always in so much pain. Maybe it's called depression but

when you have pain all the time, it's easy to become depressed,

therefore you lose vitality, that lust for life, and not getting a good

night's sleep is a big part, so I agree with you there. 



 Sleep problems are a biggie in

> FM along with the pain and melatonin and valerian are good for that. 





I have found taking MSM and Vit C has helped me greatly with the pain.

Also Malic Acid and Magnesium is great because it puts oxygen back in

your blood cells.  More oxygen means more energy.  You can try Passion

Flower to help you sleep.  I don't usually bother with that though.  I

get on the average of 5 hrs a night - to bed by 4:am and wake up by 9!

Yes, I'm always tired...  Part of my big problem.





Mild

> excercise at your tolerable level (may mean just some stretching will help ease

> muscle pain and stiffness.



Yes, and I find that hot showers or baths help a lot too.  Sitting too

long makes me stiffen up, mostly in the hips/legs so being addicted to

my computer is not exactly doing me a world of good. But hey, I'd rather

be playing here than watching some stupid show on the boob tube.



Fidget

  



> > Does anyone have any idea what I might have??????

> >

> > I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck,

> > shoulders, spine, hips, knees, and feet. The symptons began last October and

> > have gradually become worse. From time to time the pain will disappear. Pain

> > will be all over and at times just in one spot. The severity of pain will

> > vary from day to day. I also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of

> > my neck just below my ear. I have been seen by a Orthopedic Doctor who has

> > found bone spurs on my spine. I have been checked for A.S. and various types

> > of arthritis with no diagnosis as of yet. If you have any idea what I might

> > have or suggestions of what test my doctor may preform to help find the

> > problem. Right now I am taking "Arthrotech" for pain and inflammation it

> > seems to help a little. Please email your response to

> > meandyou@shore.intercom.net

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > David Watson

> 

> -- Jen :)

> 

> ******************************************

> Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/

> 

> Jen's Walk on the Web

> http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

> ******************************************



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> 4 out of 5 I will agree here.  Both lyme and fibromyalgia are the two

> syndromes that have no diagnosis, well except if you contract lyme and

> catch it immediately, otherwise the tests will always show up negative.

> I have Fibro and I've come to that conclusion all by myself.  A few

> doctors told me "well yeah, you may have that".  I know how I hurt and I

> hurt all the time. There are no blood tests that will detect it.

> FM/CFIDS are very "misunderstood".



Definitely. I know what you mean.



> Those guys in the white coats say that there are 18 trigger points and

> you need to have at least 11 of them to test positive.  However, I

> disagree with that because what hurts today, doesn't hurt tomorrow.

> Yeah, there are some trigger points that hurt all the time, but then

> there are some that move around.



I can see your point there!



> > I have Fibromyalgia and CFIDS (they often go together) and there are herbal

> > treatments that help. If you 'only' have FM, it will be easier to treat because

> > you will not have the crippling fatigue with it.

>

> Unless I have both FM and CFIDS, I disagree with you.  FM alone can

> cause CFIDS. I am in a constant state of fatigue and I think it's

> because I'm always in so much pain. Maybe it's called depression but

> when you have pain all the time, it's easy to become depressed,

> therefore you lose vitality, that lust for life, and not getting a good

> night's sleep is a big part, so I agree with you there.



CFIDS involves a lot more than just fatigue unfortunately. I believe that recent

research has found that CFIDS and FM are a lot alike in the way of immune system

abnormalities. I personally believe that CFIDS and FM are very closely related...

possibly caused by the same thing which is as yet unknown. There are criteria put

forth by the CDC for the diagnosis of CFIDS which you might want to check out (to see

if maybe you fit them I mean.)



http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cfs/defined2.htm



Or my CFIDS site at http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/





> I have found taking MSM and Vit C has helped me greatly with the pain.

> Also Malic Acid and Magnesium is great because it puts oxygen back in

> your blood cells.  More oxygen means more energy.  You can try Passion

> Flower to help you sleep.  I don't usually bother with that though.  I

> get on the average of 5 hrs a night - to bed by 4:am and wake up by 9!



Yes! I was taking melatonin but I don't seem to need it anymore luckily. My sleep is

not a big problem for me.



> Yes, and I find that hot showers or baths help a lot too.  Sitting too

> long makes me stiffen up, mostly in the hips/legs so being addicted to

> my computer is not exactly doing me a world of good. But hey, I'd rather

> be playing here than watching some stupid show on the boob tube.

>



I can totally relate to this!!!  :-)



--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************







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Question for the group:



I've noticed more spam here lately than when I first came aboard but

haven't been here long enough to know how this NG traditionally responds

to it. I hate to see it building, given what it's done to other NGs.

What are the customs of a.f.h? Do you ignore it, flame it, ridicule it,

sniff at it, mailbomb the spammer, file a complaint with his ISP, or

what?



Jacob Hasle Nielsen wrote:



(the usual spammer's unctuousness)



--

----

Stephen W. Anderson, Rocky Mount, North Carolina



   (To mail, change left side of header address from "aws" to "swa")







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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:08:23 -0400, "Stephen W. Anderson" <aws@rockymountnc.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I've noticed more spam here lately than when I first came aboard but

>haven't been here long enough to know how this NG traditionally responds

>to it. I hate to see it building, given what it's done to other NGs.

>What are the customs of a.f.h? Do you ignore it, flame it, ridicule it,

>sniff at it, mailbomb the spammer, file a complaint with his ISP, or

>what?



We usually forward the offending piece with a comment or two to the ISP in

question, and to all the website ISP's mentioned in the spam. Not very many

spammer-accounts survive a full-out counter from this NG.



Henriette



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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From kjmoran@nortel.com Tue Jun 16 21:08:41 1998

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David, I agree with Sandy (below).  Sounds  like fibromyalgia.  It's a cousin to

lupus, (which affects the connective tissues) but fibromyalgia affects the joints

mainly, and uses the lymph system to move through the body.  It varies in

intensity like lupus, and is very hard to diagnose it "disguises" itself as other

diseases.  Have you had a hard time sleeping recently?  That is how my mother

contracted it, because her body was not getting enough REM sleep, and was unable

to heal itself properly.  PLEASE get a second opinion and have your doctor test

you for this disease.  There are a lot of websites on it and even a news group, I

think.  Good luck.



Sandy Kear wrote:



> If you have already had the more obvious conditions ruled out, you might want

> to look into fibromyalgia.  I don't know enough about it to give you much more

> info than point you toward some sources of info:  alt.med.fibromyalgia, and

> <http://www.medhelp.org/www/piic/>.

>

> The website is a promotional thing for some doctors, but they have info on

> two chronic pain conditions there.

>

> I wouldn't advise medicating, including with herbs,  for anything until you

> have a diagnosis.

>

> Best of luck.

>

> Sandy

>   >Does anyone have any idea what I might have?

> >I'm 35 years old. I have been suffering from joint pain in the neck, shoulders,

> spine, hips, knees, and feet. The symptons began last October and have gradually

> become worse. From time to time the pain will disappear. Pain will be all over

> and at times just in one spot. The severity of pain will vary from day to day. I

> also have an enlarged lymphnode on the left side of my neck just below my ear.





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Join PBSs HealthWeek for a special half-hour program that looks at what women

are trying and what works best for managing menopause. Six women share their

personal approaches to menopause. A range of leading experts are interviewed

including, Dr. Susan Love, preeminent breast surgeon and author of the

best-selling Dr. Susan Loves Hormone Book and Dr. Marianne Legato, Director of

the Partnership for Womens Health at Columbia University.



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Subject: Ciwujia: What is it?

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I'm trying to track down more info about this herb. It seems to be

appearing in the ingredients listing of some natural work-out

enhancement supplements. Anyone know it's origin, related plants, any

info at all?

Thanks



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From what I can tell, it's just ginseng... panax, I think. Just

something to boost sales...



Bryan



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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:30:02 GMT, Bryan Forrest <bcforrest@mindspring.com> wrote:

> From what I can tell, it's just ginseng... panax, I think. Just

> something to boost sales...

> 

> Bryan



Normally it refers to Siberian Ginseng, but as the name is not 

the true name and is just used for marketing purposes it could 

be anything.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Fri Jun 19 20:42:07 1998

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Subject: Re: Ciwujia: What is it?

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Well, Wu Jia is any of several species of Acanthopanax or Eleutherococcis

(ie: Siberian Ginseng).



-Rich





Bryan Forrest wrote in message <3587EF37.4767@mindspring.com>...

>From what I can tell, it's just ginseng... panax, I think. Just

>something to boost sales...

>

>Bryan







From enoch@mtnhome.com Wed Jun 17 00:22:27 1998

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From: "enoch" <enoch@mtnhome.com>

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Subject: Lymphoma

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A friend of mine has recently been diagnosed with Lymphoma, Are there any

good herbs for this?   Thanks ,Charlotte







From tmatth@netcom.ca Wed Jun 17 06:53:04 1998

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From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

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enoch wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine has recently been diagnosed with Lymphoma, Are there any

> good herbs for this?   Thanks ,Charlotte



You might wish to look at the lymphoma protocol at:

http://lef.org/protocols/prtcl-067.shtml

Curcumin may be useful.



--Tom 

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From hogganr@cadvision.com Wed Jun 17 20:06:31 1998

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Hi Charlotte, 

There are a few reports in the literature about folks with malignant 

conditions responding positively to ketogenic diet (1,2,3,4,5,6). It is a 

tough diet, but perhaps worth a try.



I have also published a theoretical perspective that your friend might 

consider (7). There are a few cases reported to have responded to this 

regimen, but only two appear in  the peer reviewed literature, and I have 

cited those cases. Dr. Chris Reading has also reported 4 cases of recovery 

(8). This diet is less stringent, but it is still no picnic. 



I hope that is helpful.

best wishes, 

Ron Hoggan







1. Nebeling LC, et al.           [See Related Articles] 



Implementing a ketogenic diet based on medium-chain triglyceride oil in 

pediatric patients with cancer. 

J Am Diet Assoc. 1995 Jun; 95(6): 693-697. Review. 

PMID: 7759747; UI: 95279660.



2. Nebeling LC, et al.           [See Related Articles] 



Effects of a ketogenic diet on tumor metabolism and nutritional status in 

pediatric oncology patients: two case reports. 

J Am Coll Nutr. 1995 Apr; 14(2): 202-208. 

PMID: 7790697; UI: 95310706.







3. Beck SA, et al.           [See Related Articles] 



Effect of insulin on weight loss and tumour growth in a cachexia model. 

Br J Cancer. 1989 May; 59(5): 677-681. 

PMID: 2736199; UI: 89287233.



4. Fearon KC.           [See Related Articles] 



Nutritional pharmacology in the treatment of neoplastic disease. 

Baillieres Clin Gastroenterol. 1988 Oct; 2(4): 941-949. Review. 

PMID: 3072982; UI: 89229473.



5. Fearon KC, et al.           [See Related Articles] 



Cancer cachexia: influence of systemic ketosis on substrate levels and 

nitrogen metabolism. 

Am J Clin Nutr. 1988 Jan; 47(1): 42-48. 

PMID: 3122552; UI: 88103393.



6. Ginsberg-Fellner F, et al.           [See Related Articles] 



Metabolic studies in a child with a pancreatic insulinoma. 

Am J Dis Child. 1980 Jan; 134(1): 64-67. 

PMID: 6243203; UI: 80085293.



7. Hoggan R.           [See Related Articles] 



Considering wheat, rye, and barley proteins as aids to carcinogens. 

Med Hypotheses. 1997 Sep; 49(3): 285-288. 

PMID: 9293475; UI: 97439023.



8.Reading C, Meillon R, _Your Family Tree Connection_   Keats; New Canaan, 

Conn.: 1988











In article <6m6nk4$p6d@news.cei.net>, enoch@mtnhome.com says...

>

>A friend of mine has recently been diagnosed with Lymphoma, Are there any

>good herbs for this?   Thanks ,Charlotte

>

>





From Fidget@warwick.net Thu Jun 18 07:54:43 1998

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Good nutrition is a must!  Phytochemicals are a must, in capsule form! 

Lots of brightly colored veggies and fruits, juiced if possible and

organic is the best if manageable.



Get your friend on Essiac Tea.  Don't buy the kind you find in the herb

stores.  You don't know the quality and strength.  I've been talking to

a friend who has been giving her husband essiac for lung cancer.  It has

raised his T cell count and he's doing much better.  She buys it from

someone in California by the name of Chris Corpening who makes it fresh.

There is also a website and so far as I've seen, it's the cheapest

around, only $7/bottle.  You can also buy the bulk herbs from her and

make it yourself.  Here's the website.  Good Luck.



http://www.hdh.simplenet.com/



Fidget





Ron Hoggan wrote:

> 

> Hi Charlotte,

> There are a few reports in the literature about folks with malignant

> conditions responding positively to ketogenic diet (1,2,3,4,5,6). It is a

> tough diet, but perhaps worth a try.

> 

> I have also published a theoretical perspective that your friend might

> consider (7). There are a few cases reported to have responded to this

> regimen, but only two appear in  the peer reviewed literature, and I have

> cited those cases. Dr. Chris Reading has also reported 4 cases of recovery

> (8). This diet is less stringent, but it is still no picnic.

> 

> I hope that is helpful.

> best wishes,

> Ron Hoggan

> 

> 1. Nebeling LC, et al.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Implementing a ketogenic diet based on medium-chain triglyceride oil in

> pediatric patients with cancer.

> J Am Diet Assoc. 1995 Jun; 95(6): 693-697. Review.

> PMID: 7759747; UI: 95279660.

> 

> 2. Nebeling LC, et al.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Effects of a ketogenic diet on tumor metabolism and nutritional status in

> pediatric oncology patients: two case reports.

> J Am Coll Nutr. 1995 Apr; 14(2): 202-208.

> PMID: 7790697; UI: 95310706.

> 

> 3. Beck SA, et al.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Effect of insulin on weight loss and tumour growth in a cachexia model.

> Br J Cancer. 1989 May; 59(5): 677-681.

> PMID: 2736199; UI: 89287233.

> 

> 4. Fearon KC.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Nutritional pharmacology in the treatment of neoplastic disease.

> Baillieres Clin Gastroenterol. 1988 Oct; 2(4): 941-949. Review.

> PMID: 3072982; UI: 89229473.

> 

> 5. Fearon KC, et al.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Cancer cachexia: influence of systemic ketosis on substrate levels and

> nitrogen metabolism.

> Am J Clin Nutr. 1988 Jan; 47(1): 42-48.

> PMID: 3122552; UI: 88103393.

> 

> 6. Ginsberg-Fellner F, et al.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Metabolic studies in a child with a pancreatic insulinoma.

> Am J Dis Child. 1980 Jan; 134(1): 64-67.

> PMID: 6243203; UI: 80085293.

> 

> 7. Hoggan R.           [See Related Articles]

> 

> Considering wheat, rye, and barley proteins as aids to carcinogens.

> Med Hypotheses. 1997 Sep; 49(3): 285-288.

> PMID: 9293475; UI: 97439023.

> 

> 8.Reading C, Meillon R, _Your Family Tree Connection_   Keats; New Canaan,

> Conn.: 1988

> 

> In article <6m6nk4$p6d@news.cei.net>, enoch@mtnhome.com says...

> >

> >A friend of mine has recently been diagnosed with Lymphoma, Are there any

> >good herbs for this?   Thanks ,Charlotte

> >

> >



From hubbardj@to-de.com Wed Jun 17 03:43:25 1998

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From: "jane hubbard" <hubbardj@to-de.com>

Subject: not gout

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Ok, my father does not have gout but he does have arthritis.  Any herbal

remedy ideas?

Thanks in advance

J



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If you make your own herb pills with both  size 00 Caps and powered herbs



How can you tell just how many Caps to take per day?



Is there any good books on this?



Thanks



--

               If at first you don't succeed,

                 Skydiving is not for you!









From mayash@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 17 04:13:41 1998

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  We bought some herbal tablets today that are supposed to help our baby

while teething. It doesn't say much except it helps them relax. The guy

said they have been out for a long time. Anybody know much about these

tablets?

Mark





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Can't say I know much about the ones you have, but we used Hyland's (Best?)

Teething tablets on both our girls and will not hesitate one second to use

them on any (God willing) future children.  We felt they worked well.  Be

aware, that just because one brand does (or does not) work, doesn't mean

you should expect that same from ALL homeopathic teething preparations.  We

tried a couple of different "natural" teething substances, but had the best

luck with Hylands.  Should be available at any health food / nutrition

store, even some grocery chains carry it.  Try it, and hang in there.  I

remember how tough it was, taking turns through the night comforting a

teething baby, and then having to spend a full day at work!   Good luck.

-- 

Mike

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Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

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Mark Ayash <mayash@bellsouth.net> wrote in article

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>   We bought some herbal tablets today that are supposed to help our baby

> while teething. It doesn't say much except it helps them relax. The guy

> said they have been out for a long time. Anybody know much about these

> tablets?

> Mark

> 

> 



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Mike wrote:

> 

> Can't say I know much about the ones you have, but we used Hyland's (Best?)

> Teething tablets on both our girls and will not hesitate one second to use

> them on any (God willing) future children.  We felt they worked well.  Be

> aware, that just because one brand does (or does not) work, doesn't mean

> you should expect that same from ALL homeopathic teething preparations.  We

> tried a couple of different "natural" teething substances, but had the best

> luck with Hylands.  Should be available at any health food / nutrition

> store, even some grocery chains carry it.  Try it, and hang in there.  I

> remember how tough it was, taking turns through the night comforting a

> teething baby, and then having to spend a full day at work!   Good luck.

> -- 



We also used the Hylands teething tablets.  I wish I new about them for

our first two boys.  It was a big relief for the last two.  I liked them

so much that I had bought about a half dozen of the bottles to give out

other parents of teething children.  Most of the these parents then went

on to use them regularly for their next children.



J9



Replace world with home to reply.



From jjordan@jvlnet.com Wed Jun 17 15:10:52 1998

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From: "Midge" <jjordan@jvlnet.com>

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Hi There-



I was wondering if any one in the group has ever made an herbal soap/shampoo

for their dog?  If so could you please tell me how you made this.



Thanks,



Midge







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Hi



I have been lurking for months. So far I have refrained from adding

anything to your group that might be interpreted as spam. Since I

couldn't figure out any other way to attract your attention, I hope

you'll be tolerant of this one lapse.



On June 24th my friends and I are launching a health supersite for the

Greater London area - the url is www.londonhealth.co.uk.  The site will

have a searchable database to help people identify all kinds of medical

practitioners and therapies, from traditional to complementary.  We will

have health news,a forum and a club.  Yes, we are commercial. That is,

we hope eventually to make some money, but it doesn't cost a cent to

browse and you don't have to register if you don't want to.



What we would really like is for you to contribute to our site - e-mail

us your views about your health interests - just as you do now to this

usergroup.  It would be great to have your stuff on our site.  Please

give us a visit - or two. After all, there's commercial and commercial -

Bill Gates I am not.



Peace

Michael Kaye

Director, LondonHealth Ltd.,

21A Daleham Gardens,

London, NW3 5BY,

T 0171 794 7254

F 0171 431 9486

M 0973 206 140

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       (h) michael@m-kaye.demon.co.uk



From sunmachin@aol.com Wed Jun 17 18:54:47 1998

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Anyone ever heard of using Damania for weight control?  If  so,  how much? 



Thanks



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Only if you take enough of it and have a lot of sex. =)



-Val



-==

NO SPAM!



Sunmachin wrote:

> 

> Anyone ever heard of using Damania for weight control?  If  so,  how much?

> 

> Thanks



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Val,

<<<Only if you take enough of it and have a lot of sex. =)>>>Val





I was going to say that. Its safer than viagra.





From jbg01@gnofn.org Wed Jun 17 21:58:49 1998

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From: J B Gautreaux <jbg01@gnofn.org>

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Sunmachin <sunmachin@aol.com> wrote:

> Anyone ever heard of using Damania for weight control?  If  so,  how much? 



> Thanks



	Since Damiana can affect some people's metabolism the same way

that Cannabis Sativa can, yes you will have a wonderfully enhanced

appetite and just scarf down everything in sight.



Blessed Be

Ardwyn magKernnon



From Fidget@warwick.net Thu Jun 18 07:46:34 1998

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Sunmachin wrote:

> 

> Anyone ever heard of using Damania for weight control?  If  so,  how much?

> 

> Thanks





Unless you plan on burning those calories from some hot nights in the

sack, these are the medicinal qualities:



Mild purgative, diuretic, tonic, acting directly on the reproductive

organs, stimulant, hypochondriastic, aphrodisiae. 



An infallible corrective for frigidity, and also considered an extremely

effective nervine.



Fidget



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hi I want to make my own herbal bath oils.  Does anyone recipes as to how to

make essential herbal oils.  I want to start with peppermint, lemonbalm,

bergomant, jasmine, gardenia and rose.  I desperately would like a response. 

Is cold or hot oil better to make?  Please respond to rlspicerc@aol.com 

Thankyou!



From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Wed Jun 17 23:00:29 1998

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Rlspicerc wrote:

> 

> hi I want to make my own herbal bath oils.  Does anyone recipes as to how to

> make essential herbal oils.  I want to start with peppermint, lemonbalm,

> bergomant, jasmine, gardenia and rose.  I desperately would like a response.

> Is cold or hot oil better to make?  Please respond to rlspicerc@aol.com

> Thankyou!





okay, this brings up a thought i've been kicking around:  we only have

stand-up showers in the dorms, is there something i could do to make the

shower experience more soothing?  i'm thinking like a sachet or

something.  i can't leave it in the shower because they're public

(shared by all the residents).  i'm open to any suggestions, it doesn't

have to be a sachet, that's just what i'm thinking cause i have visions

of aromatherapy in my head, i suppose.



brigid



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The essential oils of herbs are mostly made commercially by steam

distillation.  This involved heating some water up (and sometimes even

post-heating the steam itself) and passing the steam through the cut up

herbs, then capturing the vaporized oils and water in a condenser, all in a

sealed system.  Though you can make such an apparatus out of readily

available laboratory equipment, it is not really a job for someone

unfamiliar with laboratory technique.  But it is possible.  An easier

approach, and one that may be satisfactory for your purposes (except with

the gardenia) is to mix the herbs with pure water in a simple still, and

skip the steam generation.  This still requires some specialized equipment

to do a good job, but is somewhat safer than working with steam under

pressure.



Incidentally, it takes unbelievable quantities of jasmine and rose blossoms

to make minute quantities of the true essential oils.  Another way to

capture the scents is to soak pure cotton in a neutral oil (grapeseed might

work) then layer the cotton with blossoms for a few days and repeat with new

blossoms as soon as the old ones begin to age (before they decay).  This is

called "enfleurage" and is the preferred way of extracting some scents (like

gardenia) that are destroyed by heat.



Rlspicerc wrote in message

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>hi I want to make my own herbal bath oils.  Does anyone recipes as to how

to

>make essential herbal oils.  I want to start with peppermint, lemonbalm,

>bergomant, jasmine, gardenia and rose.  I desperately would like a

response.

>Is cold or hot oil better to make?  Please respond to rlspicerc@aol.com

>Thankyou!







From rfrese@alltel.net Wed Jun 17 22:41:27 1998

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From: "Sue" <rfrese@alltel.net>

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I've just been reading all the wonderful info on this ng and I wondered if

any of you know of something that I can use for Acne Rosacea.  I've had it

since 1988 and have to use Tetracycline for long periods of time to clear it

up.  I have to limit my intake of coffee, alcohol, chocolate, spicy foods,

sun constantly.  So I can have a cup of coffee 1x a day or 2 beers a week or

1 chocolate candy a week.  This is the pits because I LOVE chocolate and

would like to be able to drink a beer sometimes when it's not planned.



If there's an herb concoction that I could do instead and be able to live a

normal life, please let me know.



Sincerely, Sue







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Sue wrote:

> 

> I've just been reading all the wonderful info on this ng and I wondered if

> any of you know of something that I can use for Acne Rosacea.  I've had it

> since 1988 and have to use Tetracycline for long periods of time to clear it

> up.  I have to limit my intake of coffee, alcohol, chocolate, spicy foods,

> sun constantly.  So I can have a cup of coffee 1x a day or 2 beers a week or

> 1 chocolate candy a week.  This is the pits because I LOVE chocolate and

> would like to be able to drink a beer sometimes when it's not planned.

> 

> If there's an herb concoction that I could do instead and be able to live a

> normal life, please let me know.

> 

> Sincerely, Sue





Hi Sue,

I got the following info from the healthyideas.com website.  This is

what they suggest:



Rosacea is a chronic inflammatory skin disorder

of                              unknown cause. It is most common in

Caucasians

with fair complexions, and usually starts in middle age

or later. 



When taken by mouth, isotretinoin (13-cis-retinoic

acid), a synthetic derivative of vitamin A, raises the

level of vitamin A in the skin and is often effective.

However, because of its potential toxicity, it needs to

be taken under medical supervision. There is also

early evidence that topical application of a form of

vitamin A called tretinoin (vitamin A acid; retinoic

acid) may be as effective as oral isotretinoin. Your

dermatologist can prescribe both of these medicines. 



Sometimes rosacea appears to be due to a deficiency

of the B vitamins caused, most often, by

malabsorption because of insufficient stomach acid.

When this is the case, the combination of hydrochloric

acid and vitamin B complex seems to cause the

condition to clear, although no scientific

(double-blind) studies have been done to confirm this.



If you are curious about this possibility, find a

physician who will test you for hydrochloric acid

levels and who, if indeed you are deficient, will help

you to find the right supplemental dose of betaine or

glutamic hydrochloride. (These supplements, while

available without a prescription, can cause stomach

irritation and even bleeding if the dosage is too high,

so I'd advise taking them only under a physician's

supervision.)



I thought the deficiency in B vitamins and malabsorption was

interesting.

Please bring this info to your doctor and demand that he check you for

hydrochloric acid levels.  If he thinks it's a waste of time, tell him

to humor you!



Fidget



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Skin heals from the inside out. Diet and nutrition are important for =

healthy skin.

I suggest a fasting Detoxification Program.=20

Start with Detoxifying, then keep your diet sugar-free. Reduce fats and =

concentrated proteins--like red meats. Add Omega-3 rich flax oil in your =

salad dressings. Take Evening Primrose Oil caps as a source of Essential =

Fatty Acids. Add B complex vitamins--100mg daily. Take antioxidants like =

beta-carotene 100,000IU daily, vitamin E 400IU with selenium 200mcg =

daily.

Try applying grapefruit seed extract and take the capsules internally as =

an effective anti-biotic treatment for the skin.

Drink Pau d' arco tea 3 to 4 cups daily as an anti-infective or take Pau =

d' arco/echinacea extract to flush fats from the blood stream.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

extremities.



Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

diet, etc.



Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)



Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!



Dave



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dear dave,

have you stopped smoking and drinking caffeine?



read and post everyday, its a commitment to yourself!

www.lowcarb.org

rosie











iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

call

>Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

>extremities.

>

>Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

>supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

herbs,

>diet, etc.

>

>Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

>

>Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

>

>Dave

>

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From: "claudia" <cookingnewsletterspuds@chef.net>

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I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink soda

with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?

--

Claudia  (To e-mail remove potatoes from address)

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>iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>>I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

>call

>>Raynaud's disease.







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claudia wrote:

> 

> I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

> disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink soda

> with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?



How much iron do you get?



J





-- 





Remove the X to email me.



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In article <35883E0F.75A38B0A@earthlink.netX>,

  Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX> wrote:

>

> claudia wrote:

> >

> > I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

> > disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink soda

> > with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?

>

> How much iron do you get?



I take a multi vitamin with minerals, but I don't think it has iron.

Anyway, isn't too much iron bad for men?

I doubt I need more. I think the Klonopin I'm on,

or the increase in water intake, is somehow

worsening my cold hands...



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Subject: Re: Anything for cold hands?

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:20:18 -0500

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one other concern..............now that you mention you are taking

Klonopin, are you doing the LOW CARB diet? does your doctor know about it?

and approve of this WOE for you?



BE SURE TO VISIT OUR WEBSITE!

alt.support.stop-smoking

http://www.swen.uwaterloo.ca/~bpekilis/as3/as3.html



read and post everyday, its a commitment to yourself!

rosie



iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6mba2b$ibl$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>In article <35883E0F.75A38B0A@earthlink.netX>,

>  Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX> wrote:

>>

>> claudia wrote:

>> >

>> > I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

>> > disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink

soda

>> > with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?

>>

>> How much iron do you get?

>

>I take a multi vitamin with minerals, but I don't think it has iron.

>Anyway, isn't too much iron bad for men?

>I doubt I need more. I think the Klonopin I'm on,

>or the increase in water intake, is somehow

>worsening my cold hands...

>

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raynaud's is a vascular disorder.....intermittent attacks of pallor or

cyanosis of the extremities.  fingers, toes, ears,and/or  nose. brought on

by cold .

caffeine and nicotine have long been know to effect circulation.



read and post everyday, its a commitment to yourself!

www.lowcarb.org

rosie



claudia wrote in message <6m998l$b35$1@tikehau.netreach.net>...

>I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

>disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink soda

>with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?

>--

>Claudia  (To e-mail remove potatoes from address)

>For Claudia's Cooking Newsletter celebrating low-fat and sugar-free

cooking

>and living check out:

>http://www.freeyellow.com/members/cookingnewsletter/

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>>iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>>>I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

>>call

>>>Raynaud's disease.

>

>







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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 claudia In article <6m998l$b35$1@tikehau.

netreach.net>, claudia <cookingnewsletterspuds@chef.net>

writes

>I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

>disease?  And rosie, I never smoked or drank coffee and rarely drink 

>soda

>with caffien in it.  Would doing that help or hurt the problem?

>--

>

Hi there



No idea about what herbs to use, but if you can stomach a

conventional doctor he will prescribe one of the many vasodilating

drugs on the market. He will also monitor your blood pressure as

vasodilators make blood pressure fall. This can be dangerous if

uncontrolled.



You may get relief from eating smoked foods. Here in the UK,

bacon is smoked wet-cure with sodium nitrite. This becomes a

source for NO (nitrogen monoxide) when assimilated into the

body. NO is a potent vasodilator, and a natural one at that.





To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:17:36 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

wrote:



I had a similar problem and was diagnosed with hypothyroid as opposed

to Raynaud's Disease. So I now take a little pill every morning, and

all is well. If you check negative with your doctor you might want to

check out these two web sites.



http://members.tripod.com/~majic1/11606.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~majic1/10485.htm



Good Luck

Majic







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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:37:42 -0700, "claudia"

<cookingnewsletterspuds@chef.net> wrote:



>I also have this problem and have had for years.   What is Raynaud's

>disease? 



>

Claudia,  Raynaud's disease is usually an inocuous disorder affecting

the circulation of the hands and feet.  Usually, it's a coldness or a

color change (blue/purple) that occur in those extremities.  I've seen

severe cases, though...and it's not a pretty sight.  Don't know what

the nutritional treatment would be, but a net search should bring it

up.

Coffee, smoking and anything that can impair circulation by decreasing

the size of the blood vessel circumference would be exacerbating the

problem.



hth,

Lynne

170 pounds lost the lowcarb way--maintaining since Feb '97



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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:13:01 -0700, charlotte le fleur

<Auntique@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>

>Lynne Axiak wrote: 170 pounds lost the lowcarb way--maintaining since Feb

>'97

>Ok-I want details!  Lots of em!                 Char



Char,  I started the Carbohydrate Addict's Diet in Mar '93 and

followed it for a little over 2 years.  Lost 100 pounds on that plan

during the first 14 months.  Switched because of a long plateau

coupled with small slow weight regain.

Switched to Atkins in May '95 and have remained on that plan, with a

few minor variations now and again, since then.



hth,

Lynne

170 pounds lost the lowcarb way--maintaining since Feb '97



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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 Lynne Axiak In article <358ad37f.8060353@n

ews.ziplink.net>, Lynne Axiak <pelaxiak@ziplink.net> writes

>Claudia,  Raynaud's disease is usually an inocuous disorder affecting

>the circulation of the hands and feet.  Usually, it's a coldness or a

>color change (blue/purple) that occur in those extremities.  I've seen

>severe cases, though...and it's not a pretty sight.  Don't know what

>the nutritional treatment would be, but a net search should bring it

>up.



It is not innocuous. In severe cases, the blood flow can become

so tightly restricted that gangrene develops. This is how smoking

can cause a sufferer to lose his/her toes/legs



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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:02:16 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

wrote:

First I wrote:

>  Raynaud's disease is usually an inocuous disorder affecting

>>the circulation of the hands and feet.  Usually, it's a coldness or a

>>color change (blue/purple) that occur in those extremities.  I've seen

>>severe cases, though...and it's not a pretty sight. 

Then news wrote:

>It is not innocuous. In severe cases, the blood flow can become

>so tightly restricted that gangrene develops. This is how smoking

>can cause a sufferer to lose his/her toes/legs

>



Absolutely...many times Raynaud's is mild enough to simply cause  cold

hands/feet and a change in skin color.  But severe cases can cause

severe enough restriction of circulation that amputation is necessary.



Lynne

170 pounds lost the lowcarb way--maintaining since Feb '97







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Dave,

Try some fresh cayenne pepper.  Sprinkle in soups, salads, etc.  Don't

go overboard as you'll be on fire! Natural capsicum will create a

warming effect.  It's known to open up the sinuses, relieve pain, and

aids in circulation.



Fidget





ROSIE wrote:

> 

> dear dave,

> have you stopped smoking and drinking caffeine?

> 

> read and post everyday, its a commitment to yourself!

> www.lowcarb.org

> rosie

> 

> iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> >I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

> call

> >Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> >extremities.

> >

> >Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> >supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

> herbs,

> >diet, etc.

> >

> >Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

> >

> >Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

> >

> >Dave

> >

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In article <6m985c$371$1@nntp0.milwaukee.wi.ameritech.net>,

  "ROSIE" <tbarrett@ameritech.net> wrote:

>

> dear dave,

> have you stopped smoking and drinking caffeine?



Never smoked...stopped all caffein...





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iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in message <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

>Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

>extremities.

>





How about cayenne? I believe it's supposed to help in circulation. Start off in

small doses, and take with food.







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Hello:

Ginkgo Biloba is supposed to improve your circulation.  Check out here

http://www.kcweb.com/herb/herbmain.htm but there tons of other info (URL's) on it.



Nocki



iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:



> I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> extremities.

>

> Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

> diet, etc.

>

> Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

>

> Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

>

> Dave

>

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iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> 

> I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> extremities.

> 

> Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

> diet, etc.



Herbs contain drugs, if they didn't, they wouldn't work.



How much water do you drink?



J

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In article <35883DE0.1F522EBA@earthlink.netX>,

  Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX> wrote:

>

> iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> >

> > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > extremities.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

herbs,

> > diet, etc.

>

> Herbs contain drugs, if they didn't, they wouldn't work.

>

> How much water do you drink?



1/2 gal per day...recently upped from 1/4 gal. Maybe that's doing it?



>

> J

> --

>

> Remove the X to email me.

>





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iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> 

> In article <35883DE0.1F522EBA@earthlink.netX>,

>   Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX> wrote:

> >

> > iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> > >

> > > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> > > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > > extremities.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> > > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

> herbs,

> > > diet, etc.

> >

> > Herbs contain drugs, if they didn't, they wouldn't work.

> >

> > How much water do you drink?

> 

> 1/2 gal per day...recently upped from 1/4 gal. Maybe that's doing it?



I would guess the extra water would help. Has it made the condition

worse? Do you remember what happened before the problem started, like

did you lose or gain weight?



J

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> > > > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

call

> > > > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > > > extremities.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where

it's

> > > > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

> > herbs,

> > > > diet, etc.

> > >

> > > Herbs contain drugs, if they didn't, they wouldn't work.

> > >

> > > How much water do you drink?

> >

> > 1/2 gal per day...recently upped from 1/4 gal. Maybe that's doing it?

>

> I would guess the extra water would help.



Help make my hands warm, or cold?



> Has it made the condition

> worse?



Not sure. I upped my water intake because of dry mouth

associated with taking Klonopin.



> Do you remember what happened before the problem started, like

> did you lose or gain weight?



Weight has been stable all my life. But I recently

was caught in an "anxiety loop". That's what

the Klonopin is for, to keep me calm, and

help me sleep.



>

> J

> --

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> Remove the X to email me.

>





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AaaaHA!   Tension will close down the capillaries in the extremities, makes

your hands and feet *real* cold.   Knowledge from my personal experience.  

I had very cold extremities until I was in my mid-thirties, then maybe I

got used to life or something <g>



I don't know if this would hold true for other people, but I relax a lot

when I sleep.   I would often go to bed with iceberg hands and feet, and

wake up all toasty.



eeyore



iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote

> Weight has been stable all my life. But I recently

> was caught in an "anxiety loop". That's what

> the Klonopin is for, to keep me calm, and

> help me sleep.





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Jet Silverman wrote:



> iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> >

> > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > extremities.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

> > diet, etc.

>

> Herbs contain drugs, if they didn't, they wouldn't work.

>

> How much water do you drink?

>

> J

> --

>

> Remove the X to email me.



 The Medical Dictionary (Dorland's - 25th.) defines a "drug" as: "any chemical

compound that may be used on or adminstered to humans or animals as an aid in the

diagnosis, treatment or prevention of disease or other abnormal condition, for the

relief of pain or suffering, or to control or improve any physiologic or pathologic

condition".



Pretty convenient definition.

It includes anything and everything.

For every condition or even non-conditions - "normal" physiology and biochemistry,

too.

And just to make sure nothing was left out they included "crude drug" - and defined

it as "the whole drug with all its ingredients".  - which includes herbs, spices,

aromas, water - like I said anything and everything.   Except food.  This presents

us with a dilemna.  Is Ginger a food, a spice, an herb or a drug?

It also means that if you advise a thirsty man to drink water and charge him a dime

(for the advise - not the water!) you are practising medicine without a license.

Thus, not charging, you are clear.



According to the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, as amended, Section 201 (g)

(1), defines the term "Drug" to mean the following:

A.  "Articles recognized in the official US Pharmacopeia, oficial Homeopathic

Pharmacopeia of the US or National Formulary, or any supplement to any of them";

and.... (here comes the rub!!)



B.  "Articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mititgation, treatment or

prevention of disease in man or other animals";

C.  "Articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or any function of

the body of man or other animals"; and

D.  'Articles intended for use as a component of any articles specified in clause

(A) (B) or (C)'...



In other words. to "SAY" that any vitamin, mineral, trace element, amino acid, herb,

spice, aroma, even water will have ANY effect on disease or symptoms thereof - that

particular compound or nutrient BECOMES a drug (even if it did not start out as

one!!) under the law as written.

Which is obviously very convenient if you want, need or just feel like pushing the

envelope to its logical (or illogical, depending on your point of view) conclusion.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A. Van Beveren, Ph.D., CNC 609-924-7337   |Au-d.l.r.u?

Nutritional Biochemist and Physiologist   |

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Interesting example of this...



Some research was done with 30 people with severe arthritis, bone to

bone. All were scheduled for joint replacement surgery. For 90 days

prior to the surgery all the patients were given a heaping tablespoon

full of chicken cartilage in their morning orange juice. At the end of

90 days, all but one were clinically cured with no need for surgery. The

final report made reference the effects the "drug" had on these people.

In 90 days, chicken cartilage had become a drug....





Our medical system at work...



Bryan



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From: Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX>

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Forrest wrote:

> 

> Interesting example of this...

> 

> Some research was done with 30 people with severe arthritis, bone to

> bone. All were scheduled for joint replacement surgery. For 90 days

> prior to the surgery all the patients were given a heaping tablespoon

> full of chicken cartilage in their morning orange juice. At the end of

> 90 days, all but one were clinically cured with no need for surgery. The

> final report made reference the effects the "drug" had on these people.

> In 90 days, chicken cartilage had become a drug....



The FDA definition of a drug is something that alters the fuction or

stucture of the body.



J



-- 

Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.



Remove the X to email me.



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I used to have cold hands and feet.  I was a child then, and of course the

mom said it was because I didn't exercise.  Which doesn't mean anything, she

could have easily have said because I didn't study.  Anyway, I don't have

them anymore, maybe exercise helps.  I agree also with the cayenne, I eat

lots of peppers and wasabi, and whether it helps circulation or not, it sure

opens the sinuses, and often the sweat glands.











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From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

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Hi Julie,

I have cold hands and feet too, not a problem, just a nuisance.  Could you tell

me, what is wasabi?  My real problem is chronic sinusitus.  Thanks, June



julie wrote:



> I used to have cold hands and feet.  I was a child then, and of course the

> mom said it was because I didn't exercise.  Which doesn't mean anything, she

> could have easily have said because I didn't study.  Anyway, I don't have

> them anymore, maybe exercise helps.  I agree also with the cayenne, I eat

> lots of peppers and wasabi, and whether it helps circulation or not, it sure

> opens the sinuses, and often the sweat glands.









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From: "eeyore" <eeyore42@pobox.com>

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Wasabi = Japanese horseradish.   It's the green paste you get in Japanese

or sushi restaurants that looks a lot like guacomole ;-)  and will usually

peel off the first 3 layers of sinus.   Do *NOT* eat like guacomole,

regardless of appearance!



eeyore





HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote in article <358E8883.CF1624EE@nep.net>...

> Hi Julie,

> I have cold hands and feet too, not a problem, just a nuisance.  Could

you tell

> me, what is wasabi?  My real problem is chronic sinusitus.  Thanks, June





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From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

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Subject: Re: Anything for cold hands?

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Ditto for me, I wear socks to bed, even in the summer...not too romantic, huh?  I

agree with the posters re: Cayenne.  If you take it in the capsule form, take with

food.

Best wishes,

June



iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:



> I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> extremities.

>

> Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

> diet, etc.

>

> Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

>

> Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

>

> Dave

>

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading









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From: "T." <None@nowhere>

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I, too, always have cold hands and feet.  My recommended treatment? 

Running them under very warm water, very often.  I keep bottles of lotion

EVERYWHERE because my hands tend to get dry.  Almost every night before bed

I turn on the bathtub faucet and warm my feet that way.  



Not really a solution, since I don't as yet know what the real issue is,

but it sure makes me feel better.



Best wishes,

-T.    



HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote in article <358E87F6.C32FCBE@nep.net>...

> Ditto for me, I wear socks to bed, even in the summer...not too romantic,

huh?  I

> agree with the posters re: Cayenne.  If you take it in the capsule form,

take with

> food.

> Best wishes,

> June

> 

> iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> 

> > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

call

> > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > extremities.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where

it's

> > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals,

herbs,

> > diet, etc.

> >

> > Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

> >

> > Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

> >

> > Dave

> >

> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> > http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

> 

> 

> 

> 



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From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

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> iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote:

> 

> > I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

> > Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> > extremities.

> >

> > Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

> > supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

> > diet, etc.

> >

> > Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

> >

> > Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

> >

> > Dave

> >





Have you tried just covering your head - usually when your brain is 

trying to keep warm, it takes the blood flow from the far points - hands 

and feet, first.



...and out of curiosity, if herbs aren't drugs, what are they??  Natural 

doesn't always mean safe or non-invasive.  If you really want to stay 

"chemical free" try the hat trick, first. 



My 2p

Cissy



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From: RVANRAAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca (Ray Van Raamsdonk)

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In article <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

iedsp@agt.gmeds.com writes:

 

>

>I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they call

>Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

>extremities.

>

>Anyway, I'm looking for a way to treat it. Make the blood flow where it's

>supposed to. No drugs...just natural nutrition like vitamins, minerals, herbs,

>diet, etc.

>

>Does anyone have any "warming" advice? :)

>

>Please respond via e-mail. Thanks!

>

>Dave

>

>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

My wife had this problem all of her life until a few months ago.

She got her thryroid checked after reading a book on the subject.

Then she took some thyroid medicine and has been fine ever since.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  * * *

  Regards, Ray Van Raamsdonk

  ray.van.raamsdonk@gems5.gov.bc.ca (250)387-8035

  Capacity Planning, ITSD, Province of British Columbia



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Warm heart.



J



Well, somebody had to say it...





-- 

Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.



Remove the X to email me.



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As a pharmacist who is very interested in herbal preparations in addition to

traditional medication, I have heard of treatment of Raynaud's disease with

grape seed extract.  From what I see, it takes 50 to 100 mg twice a day over

several weeks time to see improvement.  In other words, try it for a while

before you abandon it.  I think ginko should help if given along with it.  I

don't think the exact mechanism of action is known, but clinical studies of

herbs are now going on.  Billy W., Pharm D



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Wait, I though cold hands and warm heart went together?  To get rid of cold

hands, wouldn't you need a cold heart?



-Rich (laughing)



Jet Silverman wrote in message <358EFC42.FEB754C7@earthlink.netX>...

>Warm heart.

>

>J

>

>Well, somebody had to say it...

>

>

>--

>Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.

>

>Remove the X to email me.







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Richard Ogden wrote:

> 

> Wait, I though cold hands and warm heart went together?  To get rid of cold

> hands, wouldn't you need a cold heart?

> 



Oh...people want to get rid of cold hands!? When I read *for* cold hands

I thought it was like shampoo *for* oily hair. :)



J

-- 

Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own.



Remove the X to email me.



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Jet Silverman <jetgal@earthlink.netX> wrote:

: Richard Ogden wrote:

:> 

:> Wait, I though cold hands and warm heart went together?  To get rid of cold

:> hands, wouldn't you need a cold heart?

:> 



: Oh...people want to get rid of cold hands!? When I read *for* cold hands

: I thought it was like shampoo *for* oily hair. :)



My extremities get cold when I eat lots of wheat



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In article <01bd9e98$fd5510b0$d439e7a3@u40909-nta>, None@nowhere (T.)

writes:

>

> Msg-ID: <01bd9e98$fd5510b0$d439e7a3@u40909-nta>

> References: <358E87F6.C32FCBE@nep.net>

> Posted: 23 Jun 1998 11:20:53 GMT

>

> Org.  : None

>

> I, too, always have cold hands and feet.  My recommended treatment?

> Running them under very warm water, very often.  I keep bottles of lotion

> EVERYWHERE because my hands tend to get dry.  Almost every night before

> bed

> I turn on the bathtub faucet and warm my feet that way.

>

> Not really a solution, since I don't as yet know what the real issue is,

> but it sure makes me feel better.

>

> Best wishes,

> -T.





What you are describing (cold hands and feet, dry skin) are classic

symptoms of thyroid problems (hypothyroidism).  You may --or may not-- have

a problem in this area, but can I suggest that you go to your doctor and

request that you be tested for it?  The tests are quite easy and, if your

thyroid is functioning at less than 100%, you will want to know.  This

problem (if indeed you have it) can be progressive so being correctly

diagnosed and treated (if necessary) is **very** important.



Good luck.

Moira



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From: "tony hana" <tonyhana@gte.net>

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iedsp@agt.gmeds.com wrote in article <6m96s4$cd8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> I suffer from cold hands and feet. Have for years. It may be what they

call

> Raynaud's disease. When I'm exposed to cold, the blood flees from my

> extremities.

>



Check out Magnesium deficiency, Excess protein and Calcium can lower

magnesium intake. Magnesium is supposed to come from whole grain foods, so

maybe your intake of these is low. Enriched or white breads are low in

Magnesium. Recomended RDA for sedentary males is 350mg, Average daily

intake is considerably lower than that. Symtoms include, muscle spasms and

twitches, cramps and cold clammy hands.



Supplement your magnesium intake with a minimum of 400mg daily or switch to

whole grain foods.. If you are particularly active then raise your

magnesium supplementation to as much as 1000mg daily. Heavy excersize

strips magnesium away, its important for muscle contractions.







From uryaz@aol.com Thu Jun 18 02:04:58 1998

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I'm tired of payiong $5.00 or more for a  32oz botttle of Aloe Vera Juice.

I Purchased the thick  leafs that you find in the vegetable markets

$1.25. a leaf. I kept the old bottles  which were tinted brown.

To pour the home juice into when it is ready.

I'm going to boil the leaf. But do you keep the skin on or just use the clear

gel inside. to make the juice.

Need a quick response , because I am ready to start cooking.

Many Thanks in advance. 



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Hi all,

Was wondering how you figure doses for children and Echinacea? Can they take

the adult form in a lesser dose or do I need something different for children?

If it makes any difference one is 4 and one is 8...

Thanks in advance

Beth in AZ



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My usual way of dosing would be 1 drop (of tincture) per 2 lbs of body weight,

this for adults or children. For severe infection I would give this dose every

2 hours, lessening the dose as symptoms are relieved.



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From: "MindSpring User" <bbeggsspamnone@mindspring.com>

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I find these threads about Kava interesting. Do folks really gain any

benefit from ingesting Kava?



I spent a couple of weeks in Fiji a few years ago and drank LOTS of it. Cant

say I really was affected by it. I thought once I might have had some mild

euphoric feeling, but that was after a long day of hiking and not much food.



I can say the Fijians seemed affected by it. But they drank it through most

of the day and night. FWIW, I have been told you need to take it for a while

before it would really affect you.



I can say though, it was a much better social drink than alcohol. I enjoyed

drinking it with the Fijians.



--B2



Fidla wrote in message <6m9ssh$hr9$1@as4100c.javanet.com>...

>

>>Input please, is it any good for it?

>

>

>I'd say yes from a personal perspective.  Kava kava is very relaxing to the

>muscles, but it does have a slight narcotic effect as well, so my caution

is

>to experiment with it before using it while driving or operating dangerous

>machinery.  Have fun!

>

>







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It takes time to learn how to use kava well. Sometimes it takes an initial high

dose to feel something, such as 150 to 200 mg of the kavalactones. Once you

notice the effects, you can feel them on smaller doses. Most people describe it

as alertness with relaxation and a mild sense of euphoria. I notice visual

clarity for an hour or two.

Ray Sahelian, MD, the author of new book KAVA: The Antianxiety Herb, has

information on web site www.raysahelian.com

Raffy D. 



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Fidla wrote:



> I'd say yes from a personal perspective.  Kava kava is very relaxing to the

> muscles, but it does have a slight narcotic effect as well, so my caution is

> to experiment with it before using it while driving or operating dangerous

> machinery.  Have fun!



By relaxation of the muscles, do you mean release of muscle tension and easing

of muscle spasms? Does kava kava cause fatigue as it calms?



Thanks,



--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

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I am new to herbs can some one tell me the best way to learn all about

them? 

It would be very much appreaciated   my address is Foxyfeet@hotmail.com 

Thanks  



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cruise the web!!!!



http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/culiherb.html







From jhumphries@aucom.com.au Thu Jun 18 07:40:42 1998

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Subject: Long Term Effects of Valerian

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As a newcomer to this field I am just getting around to reading more widely

on this topic but I'm having trouble answering two questions about valerian

i.e. I take a "sleeping remedy" that includes valerian and two recent books

advise me to avoid "prolonged use of this herb".



This begs at least two questions - what is prolonged use in this context and

- what are the (negative) consequences if one does take this herb over a

prolonged period.



James.



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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jhumphries@aucom.com.au wrote:



>I take a "sleeping remedy" that includes valerian and two recent books

>advise me to avoid "prolonged use of this herb".



>This begs at least two questions - what is prolonged use in this context and

>- what are the (negative) consequences if one does take this herb over a

>prolonged period.



Consequences: "if used continously, may produce melancholia,

hysteria."  "Large doses cause nausea, diarrhea, delirium, lessen

motility, sensibility, and reflex exciteability;"

Source: Culbreth's Materia Medica, 1927

 In other words, it produces unpleasant mental effects, like

depression or agitation.  In large doses, it's overly sedative

and messes up the digestion.



Prolonged - ?? It's meant for occasional use, not every night.  I

can't find any definition of how long is OK, but you should be

working on getting rid of the CAUSE of the sleep problem instead

of medicating the symptoms.





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I have a plugged duct and consequently a cyst on my breast.  What

alternative medicines (herbs) would be good for this condition???  The

surgeon is waiting and urging to do a mastectomy.  Please share your

experiences and information.





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Bill <zip2@bellsouth.net> wrote:



>I have a plugged duct and consequently a cyst on my breast.

  Has it been diagnosed by needle biopsy?  Lumps in breasts are

not something to treat lightly.



>alternative medicines (herbs) would be good for this condition??? 

  If you were a cow, and it were definitely a plugged milk duct,

hot compresses and gentle massage would be the first treatment.

However, if the duct is scarred shut, surgery is the only thing

that will work.



> The surgeon is waiting and urging to do a mastectomy.

  HOLD IT!  Talk to the surgeon again and clarify this - did he

say "mastectomy", which is total removal and a drastic remedy for

a cyst (like taking off a toe for a hangnail), or is his plan to

remove just the cyst and the related milk duct?

  Have they tried "needle aspiration" - removing the cyct

contents by sucking them out - which can often collapse it

permanently.





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Bill wrote:

> 

> I have a plugged duct and consequently a cyst on my breast.  What

> alternative medicines (herbs) would be good for this condition???  

> The surgeon is waiting and urging to do a mastectomy.  Please 

> share your experiences and information.



Standard first remedy for plugged duct progressed to mastitis

[inflammation of breast] is a compress of grated raw potato.

Get a second opinion.  From the information you have provided, 

your surgeon has performed a positive wallet biopsy on you.



-Kyra



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I totally agree with Kyra, get that second opinion and while you are doing that

try applying castor oil compresses. Make the compress by baking a flannel cloth

saturate in castor oil in the oven until it is warm throughout but still able

to be placed on your skin. Cover the cmpress with plastic and/or towels to keep

in the heat and the mess.



Also found cabbage leaves to be helpful for a goat's mastitis. Boiled the

cabbage, applied leaf to breast (udder) for as long as possible (she let me do

it for 5-15 min 2X a day). Reheated the same leaves in the same water and used

them until they fell apart. Took about 10 days for the mastitis to clear up.





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I agree with above.  Definately get a second opinion from another

doctor.



Castor oil compresses DO work.  I have used them in the past with

cysts.  I used a heating pad to keep mine warm.  Apply daily ... be sure

to keep area clean.  Castor oil draws infection from within.  It

penetrates as deep as 6 inches.



Watercress is said to help open blood vessels to blocked areas and clean

out the impurities of and surrounding a cyst.  Eat it with your salad. 

Make sure you are eating watercress.  Many clerks do not recognize it

and it sometimes get confused with other greens.



Best of luck and healing to you :-)



-d



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What is Evening Primrose Oil?

Evening Primrose Oil is a light yellow vegetable oil, extracted from Evening

Primrose seeds with 86% of the fatty acids being polyunsaturated. Linoleic

Acid is the major essential fatty acid and the rare cis GammaLinolenic Acid

(GLA) comprises the majority of the balance. Indian Agricultural Program of

Ontario Evening Primrose Oil, with a minimum 12% GLA, has a GLA

substantially above that of other commercial primrose oil.

Excellent Source of Cis GammaLinolenic Acid (GLA)



GLA is the last stable precursor to a group of hormone-like compounds called

prostagiandins, that control cell growth, cell regeneration, skin condition,

the menstrual cycle, and blood pressure.



Evening Primrose Oil is important because it supplies, firstly, the

biologically active cis Linoleic Acid for normal metabolism and, secondly,

it provides a dietary source of GLA.



Current medical research with

Evening Primrose oil and Gamma Linolenic Acid(GLA)

Rheumatoid Arthritis



Eczema



Multiple Sclerosis



Hyperactivity in Children



PMS (Premenstrual Syndrome)



Cardiovascular Disorders



Chronic Fatigue Syndrome



Diabetes

What about the Evening Primrose Plant?

Evening Primrose (Oenothera biennis) is a wild plant native to Eastern

Canada and Northeastern U.S.A. It can be observed in the wild along

roadsides, fence rows, or in uncultivated fields. Evening Primrose is a

plant that was used for both food and medicine by North American Indians.

Native people did not extract the oil from the seeds, but simply consumed

them as part of their diet.



Research Shows...

Agronomic research at Indian Agricultural Program of Ontario has resulted in

special cultivars that offer greatly improved characteristics. Indian

farmers can rely on uniform stands, standability, and improved yields. The

work has also identified cultivars of high oil recovery and high GLA levels.

Indian Agricultural Program of Ontario has available Evening Primrose Oil at

a GLA level of 12% minimum which is substantially above the GLA of other

commercial Evening Primrose oils.

Non-Solvent Extraction

An expeller extraction process is used, which keeps the oil temperature low.

This helps to maintain the cis conformation of the fatty acids.



Some companies use solvents to extract evening primrose oil, with the

potential for solvent residue in the oil. Use of the expeller extraction

process means the oil is never in contact with solvents. After pressing, the

oil is immediately filtered and bottled to preserve the highest quality.



Addition of Vitamin E

Raw Evening Primrose Oil is highly (92%) unsaturated and is a perishable

oil. Natural anti-oxidants like Vitamin E greatly help preserve and

stabilize the oil in its biologically active cis conformation. 400 ppm of

natural source Vitamin E is added to the oil. No other refining, additives

or preservatives are used.











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Subject: Where to buy Hawthorne in London + Potassuim Question.

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:50:15 GMT

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Hi All,



I have been reading with interest comments on how to reduce blood pressure

using herbal and vitamin methods, and have been trying this approach (in

addition to a low-salt/low-fat diet and exercise) to lowering my borderline

blood pressure.



It seems to be working!!



I am currently taking Ginko Balboa, Garlic, Salmon Oil, Calcium, and Vit C.



Question 1.  I have been looking for the much talked about HAWTHORNE, but

cannot seem to find it in the health food/herbal shops I have been in.	Does

anyone know of a shop in London (preferably west london, but any will do)

that sells HAWTHORNE?



Question 2.  I have a kidney condition and have been told by a friend that

taking Potassium could upset my K/Na balance.  Is this true, and what is the

effect of an upset K/Na balance?  I would like to start taking potassium as

from reading this newsgroup it sounds as though it could be of use as well.



Thanks in advance...

Craig.



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From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Thu Jun 18 23:30:30 1998

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From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

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Subject: Re: Where to buy Hawthorne in London + Potassuim Question.

Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:30:30 -0500

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biggie_nz@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> Question 2.  I have a kidney condition and have been told by a friend that

> taking Potassium could upset my K/Na balance.  Is this true, and what is the

> effect of an upset K/Na balance?  I would like to start taking potassium as

> from reading this newsgroup it sounds as though it could be of use as well.

> 

> Thanks in advance...

> Craig.



well, the chemical symbol for potassium is: K  so yes, it would upset

your K/Na (potassium/sodium).  i'm not sure what exactly this balance

has to do with your kidneys, but if such is the case, i would definitely

reccomend seeing a doctor before taking any potassium.  but you probably

already knew that.  high-potassium foods such as bananas should probably

also be avoided until you talk to a doctor.



brigid



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From: Suze.Hammond@hubert.rain.com (Suze Hammond)

Date: 19 Jun 98 05:37:09 GMT

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Subject: Where to buy Hawthorne in London + Potassuim Question.

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-=> Quoting biggie_nz@my-dejanews.com to All <=-





 bi> Question 1.  I have been looking for the much talked about HAWTHORNE,

 bi> but cannot seem to find it in the health food/herbal shops I have been

 bi> in. Does anyone know of a shop in London (preferably west london, but

 bi> any will do) that sells HAWTHORNE?



Hawthorn works fairly well. (It's what I use.)



Fact is, Hawthorn is a common plant in GB, you ought to be able to gather

some, if you can't find it in stores. I'm told the best source of the

chemical you want within the plant is in the blossoms, second best is in

the fruits. Find a good book on the subject, and it ought to tell you how

to make what you need (such as teas of Hawthorn). Don't gather too near

large highways (too much residual lead!) and always ask owner's permission

to gather blossoms or fruits. If you know anyone with a hedgerow, they

probably have Hawthorns growing in it.



The available pills, here in the States, tend to be made of ground dried

fruits, which is not as good as blossoms, but is adequate. I've brought my

blood pressure pretty consistently down to "normal" or just above, from a

very high reading, using both Hawthorn and Evening Primrose oil (full dose

of each. I drink a good deal of regular "China" tea, as well, as the

diuretic effect is useful, too.



Suze



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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Re: Where to buy Hawthorne in London + Potassuim Question.

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:48:16 +0100

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Craig



Can't remember the exact name but there's a health food shop on Sloane

Sq that is pretty good, you should be able to find hawthorn there. 

There is only one shop - you can't miss it.



Don't forget hawthorn might be labelled under the latin name: crataegus

oxycantha.



Nick

-----------------



biggie_nz@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> Hi All,

> 

> I have been reading with interest comments on how to reduce blood pressure

> using herbal and vitamin methods, and have been trying this approach (in

> addition to a low-salt/low-fat diet and exercise) to lowering my borderline

> blood pressure.

> 

> It seems to be working!!

> 

> I am currently taking Ginko Balboa, Garlic, Salmon Oil, Calcium, and Vit C.

> 

> Question 1.  I have been looking for the much talked about HAWTHORNE, but

> cannot seem to find it in the health food/herbal shops I have been in.  Does

> anyone know of a shop in London (preferably west london, but any will do)

> that sells HAWTHORNE?

> 

> Question 2.  I have a kidney condition and have been told by a friend that

> taking Potassium could upset my K/Na balance.  Is this true, and what is the

> effect of an upset K/Na balance?  I would like to start taking potassium as

> from reading this newsgroup it sounds as though it could be of use as well.

> 

> Thanks in advance...

> Craig.

> 

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From ccjgs@cse.bris.ac.uk Mon Jun 22 16:48:30 1998

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From: ccjgs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Subject: Re: Where to buy Hawthorne in London + Potassuim Question.

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Neal's Yard Remedies in Covent Garden list Hawthorn, look them

up in the call book and ring to confirm availability and price.

I have bought Hawthorn from their Bristol outlet.



If you require a selection of herbs in quantity, then for price

freshness and quality you may be better off with a specialist

trade herb supplier.



Taking excessive potassium supplementation without medical advice

can be potentially fatal.  Banana's are rich in potassium and

one or two a day shouldn't cause any problems, but it's not a

good idea to start to add to this potassium based LoSalt products

or other forms of potassium.



I was 184 over 116, never got round to seeing a doctor, but working

over two and a half years with walking, plus Hawthorn, Yarrow,

Dandelion, as outlined in Hoffmann's - The Holistic Herbal - Element

Book's, I've dropped a stone and my BP has dropped slowly over that

period to around 130 over 90.  I suspect that the exercise and herbs

have contributed in about equal measure.  Were I to diet (heaven

forbid) and give up smoking, chocolate, alcohol I'd probably drop

another stone and come down to nearer 120 over 80, but you've got

to enjoy some of life's pleasures. 



Nick (hero.uk@mcmail.com) wrote:

: Craig

: 

: Can't remember the exact name but there's a health food shop on Sloane

: Sq that is pretty good, you should be able to find hawthorn there. 

: There is only one shop - you can't miss it.

: 

: Don't forget hawthorn might be labelled under the latin name: crataegus

: oxycantha.

: 

: Nick

: -----------------

: 

: biggie_nz@my-dejanews.com wrote:

: > 

: > Hi All,

: > 

: > I have been reading with interest comments on how to reduce blood pressure

: > using herbal and vitamin methods, and have been trying this approach (in

: > addition to a low-salt/low-fat diet and exercise) to lowering my borderline

: > blood pressure.

: > 

: > It seems to be working!!

: > 

: > I am currently taking Ginko Balboa, Garlic, Salmon Oil, Calcium, and Vit C.

: > 

: > Question 1.  I have been looking for the much talked about HAWTHORNE, but

: > cannot seem to find it in the health food/herbal shops I have been in.  Does

: > anyone know of a shop in London (preferably west london, but any will do)

: > that sells HAWTHORNE?

: > 

: > Question 2.  I have a kidney condition and have been told by a friend that

: > taking Potassium could upset my K/Na balance.  Is this true, and what is the

: > effect of an upset K/Na balance?  I would like to start taking potassium as

: > from reading this newsgroup it sounds as though it could be of use as well.

: > 

: > Thanks in advance...

: > Craig.

: > 

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-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



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On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 J. G. Simpson In article <EuyH0u.A0v@fsa.b

ris.ac.uk>, J. G. Simpson <ccjgs@cse.bris.ac.uk> writes

>I was 184 over 116, never got round to seeing a doctor, but working

>over two and a half years with walking, plus Hawthorn, Yarrow,

>Dandelion, as outlined in Hoffmann's - The Holistic Herbal - Element

>Book's, I've dropped a stone and my BP has dropped slowly over that



Very interesting, I'd like to know how you achieved this. My Bp. is

slightly lower(165/105), and I need to get weight down

(6ft3in@17st3lbs) - can you send me details or post to the group?

If you send me details, please note the message below. Thanks.





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Subject: Help! spreading eczema

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I had a tiny patch on my index finger that was diagnosed a eczema a few years

ago. The prescription ointment Psorcon doesn't seem to help and the eczema

has spread to almost cover the finger and is spreading into the palm of my

hand. I tried taking sulphur tablets but that doesn't seem to help. I'm

vegetarian and am wondering if it's something nutritional. I read that some

people are allergic to dairy and eggs and their eczema cleared up then they

eliminated these foods from their diet but that didn't help me. Any

suggestions would very much be appreciated. Thanks.



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Omega 3 & 6 fatty acids and even flaxseed oil.  Putting tea tree oil

directly on the area should soothe and stop the itch.  Try also taking

Grapefruit Seed Extract (in capsule form) which helps with a wide

variety of ailments.



Fidget 









Justina_D@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> I had a tiny patch on my index finger that was diagnosed a eczema a few years

> ago. The prescription ointment Psorcon doesn't seem to help and the eczema

> has spread to almost cover the finger and is spreading into the palm of my

> hand. I tried taking sulphur tablets but that doesn't seem to help. I'm

> vegetarian and am wondering if it's something nutritional. I read that some

> people are allergic to dairy and eggs and their eczema cleared up then they

> eliminated these foods from their diet but that didn't help me. Any

> suggestions would very much be appreciated. Thanks.

> 

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From prashanth30@hotmail.com Thu Jun 18 19:03:23 1998

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Subject: urgent advice needed!!

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to any kind soul who can help!!



my friend Mrs.J.Geetha aged 32 yrs..has a near acute kidney problem..



even if u know any doctor who can help please can u kindly forward this

report.. the patient is in grave need of  specialised medical advice and any 

new advices regarding her health or disease would be thankfully accepted....

may god bless you for reading this....



please send all replies to:cyberpark1@hotmail.com

and a cc to prashanth30@HOTMAIL.COM



THANX..







listed below is a copy of her latest "ultrasound of kub" examination report..



right kidney measures 8.1*3.7cms with cortical thickness o.57cms..



left kidneeey measures 8.2*4cms.. with cortical thicknesss 0.53cms..



both kidneys show increased parenchymal echogenicity.



no calculi or calyceal dilatation..





IMPRESSION:bilateral renal parenchymal disease...





above was the verbatim report details of the patient...



below is the latest haemogram report..(source of specimen :blood)



haemoglobin 9.2 gm%

packed cell volume:27%

WBC count: 14,300 /cmm



DIFFERENTIAL COUNT:



NEUTROPHIL 66%

LYMPHOCYTE : 28%

EOSINOPHIL:3%

MONOCYTE:3%



RENAL PACK 1 REPORT:



GLUCOSE RANDOM 155 MG/DL

BLOOD UREA  96  MG/DL

SERUM CREATININE 5.5 MG/DL

SERUM URIC ACID 7.6 MG/DL

TOTAL CHOLESTROL 130  MG/DL

BILIRUBIN TOTAL 0.5 MG/DL

ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE  313 IV/L



S.G.O.T (AST) 27 IV/L

TOTAL PROTEIN  7.3G/DL

ALBUMIN 4 G/DL

GLOBULIN  3.3 G/DL

SERUM CALCIUM  7.4  MG/DL

SEERUM INORGANIC PHOSPHOROUS  5.3  MG/DL



SODIUM 140   mEq/L

POTASSIUM  3.9 mEq/L

Chloride  102  mEQ/l

bICARBONATE  20 mEq/L







URINE EXAMINATION



SP.GRAVITY : 1020

COLOR AND TRANSPARENCY : STRAW   TURBID

REACTION : ACIDIC

ALBUMIN : ++(100 mg/dl)

sugar  :nil

acetone:nil

urobilinogen :normal



DEPOSITS:



RBC"S 10-12 /h.p.f

pus cells  :occassional

Epithielial cells: nil









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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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prashanth30@hotmail.com wrote:



>to any kind soul who can help!!

>my friend Mrs.J.Geetha aged 32 yrs..has a near acute kidney problem..



  She appears to be in early kidney failure ... dialysis might

take the load off the kidneys for long enough for them to heal

themselves,  but I can't think of any herbs that can help.



*********

>BLOOD UREA  96  MG/DL

>SERUM CREATININE 5.5 MG/DL

>SERUM URIC ACID 7.6 MG/DL

********* very elevated!

>TOTAL CHOLESTROL 130  MG/DL

*** extremely low - typical



>SODIUM 140   mEq/L

>POTASSIUM  3.9 mEq/L

>Chloride  102  mEQ/l

>bICARBONATE  20 mEq/L

**** not too far out of the normal range, if at all

  so she's still able to maintain electrolyte balance



>URINE EXAMINATION

>

>SP.GRAVITY : 1020

>COLOR AND TRANSPARENCY : STRAW   TURBID

>REACTION : ACIDIC

>ALBUMIN : ++(100 mg/dl)

***** losing LOTS of protein thru the urine

  consistent with kidney failure

>sugar  :nil

>acetone:nil

>urobilinogen :normal

>

>DEPOSITS:

>

>RBC"S 10-12 /h.p.f

>pus cells  :occassional

>Epithielial cells: nil

***** no sign of "casts", which either means this is in the early

stages or the final stages: they tend to be in the middle  



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If this in indeed kidney failure there have been cases where nettle infusion

(about 1 qt per day or more) has helped get people OFF dialysis completely.







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From: "Sue" <rfrese@alltel.net>

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Could someone please repost the information on Lupus.  My news server

deleted it or something.  I forgot to save it and need it for my sister.

Thanks, Sue







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Dejanews.

http://dejanews.com

It's a great resource.  Fun, too, once you get into it.





On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:24:20 -0400, "Sue" <rfrese@alltel.net> wrote:



>Could someone please repost the information on Lupus.  My news server

>deleted it or something.  I forgot to save it and need it for my sister.

>Thanks, Sue

>

>



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli



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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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From Dr. Linda Rector-Page

"Lupus is a multi-system, auto-immune, inflammatory, viral disease =

affecting over half a million Americans, more than 80 percent of them =

black and Hispanic women. The immune system becomes disoriented and =

develops antibodies that attack its own connective tissue. Joints and =

blood vessels are affected producing arthritis-like symptoms. The =

kidneys and lymph nodes become inflamed, and in severe cases there is =

heart, brain and central nervous system degeneration. Orthodox treatment =

has not been very successful for lupus. Natural therapies help rebuild a =

stable immune system. Our experience shows that you feel worse for 1 or =

2 months until toxins are neutralized. Then, suddenly, as a rule, you =

feel much better. Stick with your program. It works, but requires many =

months of healing.

Common Symptoms: Great fatigue and depression; rough, red skin patches; =

chronic nail fungus--red at cuticle base; skin pallor; photosensitivity =

to light; inability to tear; low grade chronic fever; rheumatoid =

arthritis symptoms; kidney problems; anemia and low leukocyte count; =

pleurisy; inflammation, especially around the mouth, cheeks and nose; =

seizures; amnesia and psychosis; low immunity.

Common Causes: Viral infection; degeneration of the body, often caused =

by too many antibiotics or prescription drugs from Hydrazine =

derivatives; alcoholism; food allergies; emotional stress; reaction to =

certain chemicals; latent diabetes; overgrowth of candida albicans =

yeast; chronic fatigue syndrome; triggered by UV sunlight."

Follow a Detoxification and Arthritis Program under the supervision of a =

professional for at least 60 days.

The diet should be 60 to 75 percent fresh foods. Avoid nightshade plants =

like eggplant, tomatoes and tobacco.

Keep the diet low in fat. A vegetarian diet is recommended to increase =

fatty acids and decrease fats.

Avoid all red meats, refined sugars and high starch foods.

Herbs:

Evening Primrose Oil- 6 caps daily for Essential Fatty Acids.

Pau d' arco tea-- 3 to 4 cups daily or Pau d' arco/echinacea extract in =

water as an anti-infective.

Gota Kola--4 caps daily as a central nervous stimulant.

Turmeric extract as an anti-inflammatory.

Immune stimulants:

High potency royal jelly

Ginseng/Reishi extract.

Supplements:

DHEA

A good multi-vitamin, preferably made from natural sources with chelated =

minerals.

Anti-Oxidants

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids.

Get plenty of rest and quality sleep. Take a walk every day for exercise =

and stress reduction. Other stress reduction techniques include massage, =

meditation, yoga, and acupuncture. There are also stress relieving herbs =

you can look into.

Over medication for lupus, especially by cortico-steroid drugs is =

dangerous. They weaken the bones, cause excess weight gain and =

eventually suppress immune response.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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In article <358b2f3c.3961041@news.visi.com>, cyli@visi.com writes:



>Subject:	Re: Lupus

>From:	cyli@visi.com

>Date:	Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:37:49 GMT

>

>Dejanews.

>http://dejanews.com

>It's a great resource.  Fun, too, once you get into it.

>

>



Correction: that should be http://www.dejanews.com/





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does anyoneknow of an herbal treatment for gerd or acid reflux



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From chatziem@usa.net Fri Jun 19 19:33:39 1998

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In article <6mc7vg$1g8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  altipton@earthlink.net wrote:

>

> does anyoneknow of an herbal treatment for gerd or acid reflux

>

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>



My middle daughter has it and she is very fond of fennel seed tea.  Also, the

fennel plant if steeped in chamomile tea is supposed to help.  I have often

used peppermint in chamomile for an upset tummy and that may help you.	The

idea is twofold.  First, you want to reduce the amount of acid produced in

the first place (the fennel, I believe) and then you want the tummy to relax

so that it doesn't spasm the upper sphincher (when a sphincher flexes, it

opens up and when it relaxes it closes) between the stomach and the esophogus

so that less acid is likely to bypass that way. (That is the chamomile).



One other thing you may try is rose hip tea.  It may not make your tummy feel

all that much better, but your spirits will be better for it.  It is supposed

to be a relaxant.



One last idea is papaya.  It is high in enzymes that help break down your

food with less acid action needed.  I have not tried this myself, but a

friend of mine swears by it.  Her tummy doesn't produce enough acid to

properly digest her food and so she often winds up with painful episodes of

gas and bowel trouble.	She swears that she has eliminated about 90% of her

sufferings since she started taked papaya extract tablets 20 minutes before

eating.



HTH



Chatzie Massey



Chatzie Massey



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> One last idea is papaya.  It is high in enzymes that help break down your

> food with less acid action needed.  I have not tried this myself, but a

> friend of mine swears by it.  Her tummy doesn't produce enough acid to

> properly digest her food and so she often winds up with painful episodes of

> gas and bowel trouble.  She swears that she has eliminated about 90% of her

> sufferings since she started taked papaya extract tablets 20 minutes before

> eating.

> 

> HTH

> 

> Chatzie Massey

> 



You seem to have missed the point here. This would be exactly the opposite

of what someone with GERD would want to injest. The papayan enzyme would

help the digestion too much and leave the stomach emptying of food sooner

and with a greater residual of acid.



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newworld@west.net wrote in message ...

>

>> One last idea is papaya.  It is high in enzymes that help break down your

>> food with less acid action needed.  I have not tried this myself, but a

>> friend of mine swears by it.  Her tummy doesn't produce enough acid to

>> properly digest her food and so she often winds up with painful episodes

of

>> gas and bowel trouble.  She swears that she has eliminated about 90% of

her

>> sufferings since she started taked papaya extract tablets 20 minutes

before

>> eating.

>>

>> HTH

>>

>> Chatzie Massey

>>

>

>You seem to have missed the point here. This would be exactly the opposite

>of what someone with GERD would want to injest. The papayan enzyme would

>help the digestion too much and leave the stomach emptying of food sooner

>and with a greater residual of acid.





Hi,



I have the same problem and the papaya helps a lot.   It could be that you

may have a problem with yeast, or helicobacter pylorii (the bacteria that

causes ulcers)  I have taken something from my chiropractor which helped a

lot it contained bismuth and deglicyrrized licorice and something else.



Evelyn







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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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Subject: Re: gerd propulsid

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In article <6mei0l$cd8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "The Puddies"

<puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:



#newworld@west.net wrote in message ...

#>

#>> One last idea is papaya.  It is high in enzymes that help break down your

#>> food with less acid action needed.  I have not tried this myself, but a

#>> friend of mine swears by it.  Her tummy doesn't produce enough acid to

#>> properly digest her food and so she often winds up with painful episodes

#of

#>> gas and bowel trouble.  She swears that she has eliminated about 90% of

#her

#>> sufferings since she started taked papaya extract tablets 20 minutes

#before

#>> eating.

#>>

#>> HTH

#>>

#>> Chatzie Massey

#>>

#>

#>You seem to have missed the point here. This would be exactly the opposite

#>of what someone with GERD would want to injest. The papayan enzyme would

#>help the digestion too much and leave the stomach emptying of food sooner

#>and with a greater residual of acid.

#

#

#Hi,

#

#I have the same problem and the papaya helps a lot.   It could be that you

#may have a problem with yeast, or helicobacter pylorii (the bacteria that

#causes ulcers)  I have taken something from my chiropractor which helped a

#lot it contained bismuth and deglicyrrized licorice and something else.

#

#Evelyn



Yes, BISMUTH kills those ulcer-causing bacilli. It is found commonly in

'Pepto-Bismol'. It is safer and more certain than the antibiotics

prescribed for the same task.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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In article <newworld-1906981154470001@pm9-20.sba1.avtel.net>,

newworld@west.net wrote:



#> One last idea is papaya.  It is high in enzymes that help break down your

#> food with less acid action needed.  I have not tried this myself, but a

#> friend of mine swears by it.  Her tummy doesn't produce enough acid to

#> properly digest her food and so she often winds up with painful episodes of

#> gas and bowel trouble.  She swears that she has eliminated about 90% of her

#> sufferings since she started taked papaya extract tablets 20 minutes before

#> eating.

#> 

#> HTH

#> 

#> Chatzie Massey

#> 

#

#You seem to have missed the point here. This would be exactly the opposite

#of what someone with GERD would want to injest. The papayan enzyme would

#help the digestion too much and leave the stomach emptying of food sooner

#and with a greater residual of acid.



1:  You have been 'brainwashed' by the drug cartels into thinking (like

they want you to) that 'acid' is a big problem. It is not. lack of acid is

a big problem.



2:  Concept: Papaya enzymes are prescribed to digest the scar tissues which

prevent the esophogeal sphincter from closing. If the valve closes, NO

'acid reflux' occurs.



3:  Chronic dehydration makes the stomach vulnerable to it's own acids;

resident 'bicarbonates'

cannot be transported to the inner layer of stomach tissues as protection

against acids, if one  is dehydrated.



4:  Any 'treatment' which facilitates digestion will help GERD, including

supplemental hydrochloric acid.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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==Gene Poole== wrote:



> 

> 1:  You have been 'brainwashed' by the drug cartels into thinking (like

> they want you to) that 'acid' is a big problem. It is not. lack of acid is

> a big problem.



Ridiculous.  It has been shown time and time again in medical tests that

dripping a little acid on the esophagus reproduces the pain.  In fact,

this is one test used to confirm someone's chest pain is digestive and

not cardiac or muscular.



> 2:  Concept: Papaya enzymes are prescribed to digest the scar tissues which

> prevent the esophogeal sphincter from closing. If the valve closes, NO

> 'acid reflux' occurs.



I dont see papaya enzymes surviving long enough in the acid environment

of the stomach to do anything more than irritate the mere surface of any

scar tissue.  And often it isn't that scar tissue keeps the valve from

closing.  It's relaxation of the sphincter as a result of high-fat

foods.

 

> 3:  Chronic dehydration makes the stomach vulnerable to it's own acids;

> resident 'bicarbonates'

> cannot be transported to the inner layer of stomach tissues as protection

> against acids, if one  is dehydrated.



Dehydration certainly does not bode well for the stomach, but the

drinking of a lot of water to compensate for any perceived dehydration

can distend the stomach and open the esophageal sphincter.  This is

especially true if the patient is lying down. 



> 4:  Any 'treatment' which facilitates digestion will help GERD, including

> supplemental hydrochloric acid.

> 



This is sheer lunacy.  The ingestion of hydrochloric acid tablets is a

good way to end up in paroxysms of pain at least, and in the ER with an

esophageal bleed at most.  



I really pray no one takes Poole's post as solid medical knowledge.  If

anything, do the opposite of what he says.  The best thing is to just

ignore it as the speculations of an uncredentialed anonymous internet

poster.



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Hello,

I've tried a number of products for the treatment of acid reflux

disease(Gastric reflux).  these products happen to be from the company

nature's Sunshine, but there are probably similiar products out there.



First off, I have the disease "bad" enough that surgery was

consideered(breifly on my part, at least!).  I tried taking Prilosec and

Propulcid, but this only provided temporary releif.  Suppossedly, the

surgery would fix eveything, but I'm not willing to go to that extreme.  My

naturopath put me first on Papaya Mint tablets after every meal.  These

helped some.  Now, she's got me on a combination called Stomach Comfort. 

You take it after every meal, and it has Wintergreen, slippery elm, calcium

carbonate,papaya extract, and marshmellow root.  This has helped so much

that I'm not taking the Prilosec or Propulcid anymore.  Hope this helped...



Caitlyn mcFarland(N.D. student)





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In article <01bda37c$d9c54be0$a203aecf@cait>,

  "caitlyn mcFarland" <caitm@plinet.com> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I've tried a number of products for the treatment of acid reflux

> disease(Gastric reflux).  these products happen to be from the company

> nature's Sunshine, but there are probably similiar products out there.

>

> First off, I have the disease "bad" enough that surgery was

> consideered(breifly on my part, at least!).  I tried taking Prilosec and

> Propulcid, but this only provided temporary releif.  Suppossedly, the

> surgery would fix eveything, but I'm not willing to go to that extreme.  My

> naturopath put me first on Papaya Mint tablets after every meal.  These

> helped some.  Now, she's got me on a combination called Stomach Comfort.

> You take it after every meal, and it has Wintergreen, slippery elm, calcium

> carbonate,papaya extract, and marshmellow root.  This has helped so much

> that I'm not taking the Prilosec or Propulcid anymore.  Hope this helped...

>

> Caitlyn mcFarland(N.D. student)

>

>



Caitlyn, Do you happen to know the concentrations?  And please, what type of

papaya extract, the flesh or the seed?	Thanks.  I have a teen on the brink

of suicide because she can't enjoy food.  She eats and gets sick.....she

doesn't eat and gets sick....she was diagnosed with GERD and complicated by a

possible ulcer, but when she went through the esophoscopy, (which also made

her very sick) they could find not scarring or such of her esophogus or her

stomach.  I have tried Pepsid, Propolcid, Axid, and to little or now avail. 

I didn't think of marshmellow,....but she refuses to take papaya enzymes. 

She says Those make her sick to smell them.



Your  naturopath's regimin may help my DD.  She can't even enjoy going out

with her friends because everything they do is associated with some food or

snack or something and then DD gets ill and can't enjoy their company or the

activities they planned for the rest of the day.  She has become withdrawn

and depressed.	St. Johns Wort has helped some with her demeanor, but she

still has to WANT to feel better and right now she sure doesn't seem to.



I am an "infant" herbalist and I would love any and all suggestions.  I am

trying to save a young woman's self-esteem here, so please, no flames.



Chatzie Massey





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I have had all the test done to large bowl and small intestine and stomach

i have developed bloating and gas (that realy stinks) i get heartburn

ihave tryed to narrow down if i have a food alergy but so far no such luck

my dr. told me to try some things from the health food store so i picked up

some chlorophylle to help the stink and gaz away to help the bloating

so if any one has any other ideas you could e-mail me at goff@vaxxine.com

thanks



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Yogurt with live culture helped my stomach problems, may I recommend Dannon?







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george wrote:

> 

> I have had all the test done to large bowl and small intestine and 

> stomach i have developed bloating and gas (that realy stinks) i get 

> heartburn ihave tryed to narrow down if i have a food alergy but so 

> far no such luck my dr. told me to try some things from the health 

> food store so i picked up some chlorophylle to help the stink and 

> gaz away to help the bloating so if any one has any other ideas you 

> could e-mail me at goff@vaxxine.com

> thanks



"Developed?"  Have you changed your diet in any way at about the 

same time as this situation began?  



"All the tests?"  Barium swallow and all?  Hmmmmm....



One possible explanation is that [for whatever reason] food is 

staying in your gut too long.  Try accelerating the digestive 

transit time by decreasing meat and refined carbohydrate intake 

and increasing whole grain products and vegetables.  



-Kyra



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In article <01bd9b21$04775f40$635d1dd1@pc.vaxxine.com>,

  "george" <goff@vaxxine.com> wrote:

>

> I have had all the test done to large bowl and small intestine and stomach

> i have developed bloating and gas (that realy stinks) i get heartburn

> ihave tryed to narrow down if i have a food alergy but so far no such luck

> my dr. told me to try some things from the health food store so i picked up

> some chlorophylle to help the stink and gaz away to help the bloating

> so if any one has any other ideas you could e-mail me at goff@vaxxine.com

> thanks

>



Sounds like your system ism't properly processing all your food intake.  You

may have a vitamin dificiency going for you or you may have some sort of

stress related problem.



Try chamomile tea.  Also, try some eneceia (sorry for the spelling!  I don't

spell as well as I should.)  The chamomile is a relaxer, especially for the

digestive tract.  And the other is a endocrine cleanser.  It will help your

body restore the natural balance of chemicals in your body so you can process

your food better.  The body is a big, complicated chemical engine.  When one

of the chemical parts goes wrong, it makes several others go wrong too.  This

causes some of the more common sudden "mysterious" maladies we suffer.	Aim

for restoring that balance and you will be well on your way to discovering

what caused it in the first place.



Examine what has happened to you lately, just before this started.  New job?

New boss?  New baby?  What has changed the most dramatically in the last six

months?  Therein may lie your cause.



HTH



Chatzie Massey



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My wife has a similar problem. She also had upper and lower G.I.

workups, including endoscopy, and all the doctors could come up with was

irritable bowel syndrom. Now the stomach bloating happens either when

she eats food that is difficult to digest or at times of high stress. 



In a similar case my son was diagnosed as allergic to wheat. We were

advised to put him on a wheat free diet which we did. As we began to

investigate it we found that his symptoms were consisitent with Celiac

Syndrome. We took him to an allergist and came back negative on all

tests including wheat. At that point we booked an appointment with a

pediatric Gastro enterologist who diagnosed Celiac and ordered an

immediate biopsy of the small bowel.



We had the biopsy done and the results came back as inconclusive. When

we spoke with the G.E. he said that because my son had been on a

wheat/gluten free diet for two years since the initial wheat allergy

diagnoses the celia had regenerated.



We were advised to put him back on wheat and repeat the biopsy when the

sympoms became strong again. Since that time (about 4 years) my son has

has consistently loose bowel movements.



The connection then between my wife with her possible I.B.S. and my son

with Possible Celiac is intestinal. 



Here is what we found makes the biggest difference.



Short term relief of stomach bloating and pain. 

	Phazyme: A simethicone  based gel cap which affects the intestinal gas

directly.



Long term :

	A: Activated Acidophilus in a fermented milk base. The product we use

is called Bio-K and contains a minimum of 50 billion active acidophilus

per 100g. This stuff is amazing. For the first time in 4 years my son is

having normal bowel movements.



	B:Greens Plus. My wife takes this every morning and it has made a huge

difference to her intestinal problems. It contains everything from

wheatgrass to bee pollen. Toss in anti-oxidents and herbs and you have

another amazing product. 



William Thompson 

Canada



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Yep, like I said, yogurt!



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PAPAYA MINT is good







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Hello All



I have selfdiagnosed myself as having symptoms of  Gout.



Undersand kidney are not removing enough uric, excess starts to 

crystalize in joints of extremities. Pain in the morning in the large 

toe.



Anything I can do to flush excess uric acid from system, without ill 

sideffects?



Otherweis I'm healthy, low blood pressure, low pulse healthy diet, 





Any advise will be appreciated, of course will check out any 

recomendations before trying anything..





Thanks

Hart Hennig 





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In article <6mckui$358$1@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>,

  HART <hhennig@skylinc.net> wrote:

>

> Hello All

>

> I have selfdiagnosed myself as having symptoms of  Gout.

>

> Undersand kidney are not removing enough uric, excess starts to

> crystalize in joints of extremities. Pain in the morning in the large

> toe.

>

> Anything I can do to flush excess uric acid from system, without ill

> sideffects?

>

> Otherweis I'm healthy, low blood pressure, low pulse healthy diet,

>

> Any advise will be appreciated, of course will check out any

> recomendations before trying anything..

>

> Thanks

> Hart Hennig

>

>



I developed this gout thing several years ago. I broke my right ankle, and it

seems to have started about that time. I don't know if it is related or not.

But anyway, I find that the BEST thing to do is LAY OFF THE PROTEIN!!!!



Let me give you an example....



My karate instructor recommended that I consume more protein because of the

workouts I am going thru this summer. He recommended eggs. I HATE eggs, they

give me all kinds of digestive problems.  Anyway, I purchased a can of egg

white protein, was using 1/2 the suggested amount. I began on saturday, and

by tuesday, gout had hit my right foot!



It had been so long since my last attack (3 years) that I had fallen into the

habit of eating little protein, and had forgotten about the problem.  The

attack is over, and the can of protein is in the hands of a classmate....



I guess I will just have to do without it.



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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998  In article <6mg7r2$la8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.

com>, nworbekim@my-dejanews.com writes

>In article <6mckui$358$1@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>,

>  HART <hhennig@skylinc.net> wrote:

>>

>> Hello All

>>

>> I have selfdiagnosed myself as having symptoms of  Gout.

>>

>

<snip!>

<stuff about eggs>

>It had been so long since my last attack (3 years) that I had fallen into the

>habit of eating little protein, and had forgotten about the problem.  The

>attack is over, and the can of protein is in the hands of a classmate....

>

>I guess I will just have to do without it.

>



well, we all need protein. I suspect that you are sensitive to

chicken albumin, or some component of chicken eggs. More than

one egg makes me feel bloated, more than two I feel quite unwell.

I believe I am sensitised to chicken eggs alone - I have no

problems with ducks eggs though it can be difficult to obtain

these. I also have no problems with other protein e.g. beef, lamb,

pork etc.



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>I developed this gout thing several years ago. I broke my right ankle, and it

>seems to have started about that time. I don't know if it is related or not.

>But anyway, I find that the BEST thing to do is LAY OFF THE PROTEIN!!!!

>

>Let me give you an example....

>

>My karate instructor recommended that I consume more protein because of the

>workouts I am going thru this summer. He recommended eggs. I HATE eggs, they

>give me all kinds of digestive problems.  Anyway, I purchased a can of egg

>white protein, was using 1/2 the suggested amount. I began on saturday, and

>by tuesday, gout had hit my right foot!

>

>It had been so long since my last attack (3 years) that I had fallen into the

>habit of eating little protein, and had forgotten about the problem.  The

>attack is over, and the can of protein is in the hands of a classmate....

>

>I guess I will just have to do without it.





This whole "getting enough protein" thing is blown way out of proportion. If you

eat a healthy diet with a wide variety of foods, you do not have to worry.

You'll get enough. You don't even need to eat meat to get protein.



If fact, I'd be more concerned about the negative consequences of getting too

much protein.

















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In article <6mckui$358$1@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>,

  HART <hhennig@skylinc.net> wrote:

>

> Hello All

>

> I have selfdiagnosed myself as having symptoms of  Gout.

>

> Undersand kidney are not removing enough uric, excess starts to

> crystalize in joints of extremities. Pain in the morning in the large

> toe.

>

> Anything I can do to flush excess uric acid from system, without ill

> sideffects?

>

> Otherweis I'm healthy, low blood pressure, low pulse healthy diet,

>

> Any advise will be appreciated, of course will check out any

> recomendations before trying anything..

>

> Thanks

> Hart Hennig

>

>

Hi Hart,



I too am a gout sufferer. It began after I broke my right ankle several years

ago, and at first, didn't know what was happening. After some research, I

decided that it was gout and then had a doctor confirm that.



I find that TOO MUCH protein seems to set this off.  For example, I haven't

had an attack in 3 years.  A month ago, my karate instructor recommended that

I increase my protein intake due to the "monster" workouts he was putting us

through.  He suggested egg whites as the source. I like eggs, but they don't

like me. They create TERRIBLE digestion problems in my system. So I opted for

egg white protein powder.



Using only HALF the recommended (by the company) amount, I was drinking 2

protein shakes a day.  I began on saturday, and by wednesday, the GOUT had

raised its ugly swollen head in my right foot.	This time in the arch. It

varies from attack to attack. Sometimes the toe, sometimes the ankle, etc.



Soooo..... OUT with the protein powder, and in with the cranberry/grape juice

I buy at Wal-Mart, along with LOTS of water, and 2 days later, GOUT gone.



I suggest limiting your protein intake to 3 or 4 ounces of something like

chicken or fish a day, with an occasional splurge with red meat. Lots of

water, some suggest> <input type=



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From betka@happyhome.com Tue Jun 23 08:41:14 1998

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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:41:14 -0700

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my dad has had gout for years.....

at first took meds for it...but later due to the side affects began

treating it naturally...

basically he avoids all agitators such as...

red meats or alcohol...some say spinach

he initially when going off the meds went on a strict macrobiotic diet in

order to completely cleanse his system..

since monitoring his diet he can usually tell exactly what food sets him

off...

he discovered MSG to be a big one...and the worse agitator for him is

shell fish

he has never been able to find anything else that really helps except

just change of diet

good luck

Betka





HART wrote:



> Hello All

>

> I have selfdiagnosed myself as having symptoms of  Gout.

>

> Undersand kidney are not removing enough uric, excess starts to

> crystalize in joints of extremities. Pain in the morning in the large

> toe.

>

> Anything I can do to flush excess uric acid from system, without ill

> sideffects?

>

> Otherweis I'm healthy, low blood pressure, low pulse healthy diet,

>

> Any advise will be appreciated, of course will check out any

> recomendations before trying anything..

>

> Thanks

> Hart Hennig









From goterena@aol.com Fri Jun 19 07:13:40 1998

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I have a three year old with ataxia caused by a brain chemical imbalance. 

Ginko Biloba was recommended to me for her, but I have not been able to find a

non alcoholic tincture, nor do I know the right dose.  Any help would be

greatly appreciated.



thanks

T



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Goterena wrote in message <1998061904134000.AAA05210@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I have a three year old with ataxia caused by a brain chemical imbalance.

>Ginko Biloba was recommended to me for her, but I have not been able to find a

>non alcoholic tincture, nor do I know the right dose.  Any help would be

>greatly appreciated.

>

>thanks





Check out Wise Woman Herbals in Oregon, at http://www.medherb.com/WISE_WOM.HTM.



They make good quality glyercine tinctures that are suitable for children. They

can also provide you with qualified advice.











From guerra@webspan.net Fri Jun 19 18:52:44 1998

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From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

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Subject: Re: ginko for children.

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:52:44 -0400

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Goterena wrote:



> I have a three year old with ataxia caused by a brain chemical imbalance.

> Ginko Biloba was recommended to me for her, but I have not been able to find a

> non alcoholic tincture, nor do I know the right dose.  Any help would be

> greatly appreciated.

>

> thanks

> T



 I THINK you can take a very small cup of hot water and put the drop(s) into this

water. The alcohol will evaporate away and you will have a little herbal drink for

your little one?



Anyone?



--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************







From sh22@mail.evansville.edu Fri Jun 19 07:27:51 1998

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From: Sharon Herke <sh22@mail.evansville.edu>

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Subject: Stevia Recipes

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Does anyone have any stevia recipes or know where I can find some.



Thanks, Sharon







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This combination works well for me.

The two together seems to do more than each one individually.

Even over a long period there does not appear to be any side effects that I

have been witness to.







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SLC (slc@mb.sympatico.ca) wrote:

:

:This combination works well for me.

:The two together seems to do more than each one individually.

:Even over a long period there does not appear to be any side effects that I

:have been witness to.

:

:



I concur.  I use American Ginseng (quinquefolium) as well as Gotu Kola and

find them both to be beneficial. Nex





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Valerian over a long period of time appeared to slow down my metabolism and

cause weight gain.









From bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Jun 19 10:32:40 1998

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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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Today I went with a friend to pick Linden tree flowers.

Many of the trees we found were heavily blossoming and 

the timing was good.  Some other trees we saw with hardly

any flowers at all.



It was a pleasure to introduce my friend to the Linden.

Tonight several of us will be taking nice baths that leave

the skin smooth, and rinsing our hair to make it smooth and soft.



We were in the city, walking along to find a tree here and

there which was not in someone's lawn.  Some by the river 

and some by a church.  



The smell of Linden flowers is enchanting.  We asked the trees

for permission and thanked them.



Carlos Lee Murray



Ginseng Cooperators Group  http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/

--

joy



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Lee Murray <bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

<6md46o$rdh@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

> 

> Today I went with a friend to pick Linden tree flowers.

Dear Lee,

I live near Ottawa and would like to know where you picked your Linden

flowers.  I will not overpick, I will keep the site to myself and I will

respect the trees.

Please e-mail at hubbardj@to-de.com

Thanking you

Jane



(I would like lovely skin and hair as well!)



From frasers@black.surenet.net Fri Jun 19 13:19:35 1998

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From: frasers@black.surenet.net (Stephen Fraser)

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Subject: Nipplewort

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Greetings!



I found a crop of Nipplewort growing nearby...anyone know of any

medicinal uses for it?  Checked my books, and it isn't even in there.

Is it called something else as well??

CYA!



Krista Fraser,

Email: frasers@surenet.net





From abacaxi@hotmail.com Fri Jun 19 16:48:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Kenny <bugban4@aol.com> wrote:



>from Dr. Jack Watkins a biological researcher, medical scientist and

>doctor of immunology of over 20 years.

  Can you list his degrees and what projects he worked on?  I got

a |SPAM the other day that would give me my choice of degrees for

$150-500, so I could be a PhD too.



>He starts out saying that dangerous poisons, bile, fatty acids, heavy metals,

>additives and chemicals can build up in our body like "toxic sludge." 

  Can he cite the research and autopsy reports that show where

this "sludge" was found.  



  Typical scare-tactic text, unsupported by facts, follows:



>* Over 3,000 chemicals are added to our foods before they even reach our kitchen.

  Not to mention all those nasty chemicals produced by the plants

as they grow, and the bacteris and fungi that grow on them.  Have

you ever read the chemical analysis of broccoli?  It's SCARY, but

it's all natural



>* A meal of hamburger, fries and a shake contains 12 additives known to be toxic.

  And organically grown cabbage contains carcinogens.  What's the

point here?



>* The average American consumes over nine pounds of additives annually.

>* Pesticides sprays are absorbed by the "fresh" fruit and vegetables we eat,

>  pesticides we just can't wash out!!

>* Hormones and antibiotics are fed to livestock and poultry we eat.

   And the average anti-modern medicine kook gulps down pounds of

herbs with biologically active ingredients, and synthetic

melatonin (a brain hormone) too ... so what;'s the difference.



>* Some cosmetics are lace with chemicals, including cancer-causing coal-tar dyes.

   And chaparral tea is toxic to your liver.  Common molds are

deadly, like Aspergillus flavus which produces AFLATOXIN - the

most potent carcinogen known.  And Penicillum rubrum isn't far

behind with the toxicity of rubritoxin.

  A. flavus like to grow on grains and peanuts, P. rubrum is

commonly found in refrigerators.



>* Toxic substaces detected in lake-source drinking water have doubled in 20 years.

>* Over 85% of Americans have at least one form of a toxic-secreting parasite in them.

   Again - cite the references that show the infestation rate,

and name the parasites by genus and species.





From guerra@webspan.net Fri Jun 19 19:12:26 1998

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Subject: Pain relief / muscle relaxer?

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Hello,



I've had CFIDS and on and off Fibromyalgia for years now. My

FM is flaring up again but since the last time I had a

flare-up I've become very sensitive to medications and have

learned a lot about herbal remedies (and use them for my CFIDS

w/ some meds). I really need a pain relief herb BUT I seem to

be allergic/very senstive to capsaicin creams. I'd like to

take something herbally but preferably not with this in it?

Anyone?



--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************







From levans1044@aol.com Sat Jun 20 02:46:16 1998

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I've found Saint Johnswort and Skullcap tincture to help with muscle pain.



From Fidget@warwick.net Sat Jun 20 04:13:35 1998

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From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

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Jen wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> 

> I've had CFIDS and on and off Fibromyalgia for years now. My

> FM is flaring up again but since the last time I had a

> flare-up I've become very sensitive to medications and have

> learned a lot about herbal remedies (and use them for my CFIDS

> w/ some meds). I really need a pain relief herb BUT I seem to

> be allergic/very senstive to capsaicin creams. I'd like to

> take something herbally but preferably not with this in it?

> Anyone?

> 

> --

> Jen :)





Try MSM (2000 mg 3x/day) with Vit. C (500 mg 3x/day) as well as Devil's

Claw (I buy the tincture which is stronger.  Put it under your tongue so

it gets absorbed sublingually (right into the bloodstream) instead of

being processed through the liver).  Devil's Claw is an

anti-inflammatory.  Give it enough time; it seems to be working very

well for me.



Fidget



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I love St John's Wort oil applied topically for pain relief.



Ingrid







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Thanks for all the advice! I already take St. John's Wort but will add some

others that were recommended.



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>Just let me add that Valerian is a great muscle relaxer.  Don't know where

>you

>live, but Trader's Joe's sells a 100 pill bottle for $4.99.  I can't take

>meds

>either - this stuff works great.  Is good for menustral cramps too and at  5

>cents a pill, it's very affordable!!!

>

>



Seeing as you mentioned menstrual cramps the best thing I've found is

Motherwort tincture. I used it for four months and the cramps have not

returned!



Belinda



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LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> >Just let me add that Valerian is a great muscle relaxer.  Don't know where

> >you

> >live, but Trader's Joe's sells a 100 pill bottle for $4.99.  I can't take

> >meds

> >either - this stuff works great.  Is good for menustral cramps too and at  5

> >cents a pill, it's very affordable!!!

> >

> >

> 

> Seeing as you mentioned menstrual cramps the best thing I've found is

> Motherwort tincture. I used it for four months and the cramps have not

> returned!

> 

> Belinda





How did you use it Belinda?  Did you take it when you felt the cramps

coming on or every day (meaning to build it up in your system)?  Can

this herb/tincture be used long term, safely, no other side

effects/dangers?  My cramps get so bad I become totally dysfunctional

for at least 10 to 14 days out of the month.  The depressing part is,

before I get to enjoy life again without cramps, it's happening again! 

Been looking for something to help rid me of this problem for years, and

it sounds much better than walking around with a bottle of scotch!



Fidget



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>How did you use it Belinda?  Did you take it when you felt the cramps

>coming on or every day (meaning to build it up in your system)?  Can

>this herb/tincture be used long term, safely, no other side

>effects/dangers?  My cramps get so bad I become totally dysfunctional

>for at least 10 to 14 days out of the month.  The depressing part is,

>before I get to enjoy life again without cramps, it's happening again! 

>Been looking for something to help rid me of this problem for years, and

>it sounds much better than walking around with a bottle of scotch!



>Fidget



I use the tincture of the fresh plant (make it myself). 10-20 drops in some

water and wait 30 minutes. If that doesn't do anything then take more, second

dose should. Now this is for cramps, not anything really serious. There is

another tincture that has been recommended for serious menstrual problems,

vomiting and all that but it doesn' come to mind now and I haven't used it

myself.



To use it as a tonic instead of an emergency measure you should take 10 drops

in water every morning starting two weeks before you bleed, in other words

starting with ovulation.



To the best of my knowledge there are no harmful side effects/dangers.



Let me know if it works and while you are trying this I will try to find out

the other tincture....I know it's in my notes somewhere.





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Sometimes there is too much reposting in an answer.  Sometimes there is not

enough.  This time, there was not enough.  What herb are you talking about?



Deb





LEvans1044 wrote:



> >How did you use it Belinda?  Did you take it when you felt the cramps

> >coming on or every day (meaning to build it up in your system)?  Can

> >this herb/tincture be used long term, safely, no other side

> >effects/dangers?  My cramps get so bad I become totally dysfunctional

> >for at least 10 to 14 days out of the month.  The depressing part is,

> >before I get to enjoy life again without cramps, it's happening again!

> >Been looking for something to help rid me of this problem for years, and

> >it sounds much better than walking around with a bottle of scotch!

>

> >Fidget

>

> I use the tincture of the fresh plant (make it myself). 10-20 drops in some

> water and wait 30 minutes. If that doesn't do anything then take more, second

> dose should. Now this is for cramps, not anything really serious. There is

> another tincture that has been recommended for serious menstrual problems,

> vomiting and all that but it doesn' come to mind now and I haven't used it

> myself.

>

> To use it as a tonic instead of an emergency measure you should take 10 drops

> in water every morning starting two weeks before you bleed, in other words

> starting with ovulation.

>

> To the best of my knowledge there are no harmful side effects/dangers.

>

> Let me know if it works and while you are trying this I will try to find out

> the other tincture....I know it's in my notes somewhere.







--

******

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In article <1998062700483000.UAA06876@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



#>How did you use it Belinda?  Did you take it when you felt the cramps

#>coming on or every day (meaning to build it up in your system)?  Can

#>this herb/tincture be used long term, safely, no other side

#>effects/dangers?  My cramps get so bad I become totally dysfunctional

#>for at least 10 to 14 days out of the month.  The depressing part is,

#>before I get to enjoy life again without cramps, it's happening again! 

#>Been looking for something to help rid me of this problem for years, and

#>it sounds much better than walking around with a bottle of scotch!

#

#>Fidget

#

#I use the tincture of the fresh plant (make it myself). 10-20 drops in some

#water and wait 30 minutes. If that doesn't do anything then take more, second

#dose should. Now this is for cramps, not anything really serious. There is

#another tincture that has been recommended for serious menstrual problems,

#vomiting and all that but it doesn' come to mind now and I haven't used it

#myself.

#

#To use it as a tonic instead of an emergency measure you should take 10 drops

#in water every morning starting two weeks before you bleed, in other words

#starting with ovulation.

#

#To the best of my knowledge there are no harmful side effects/dangers.

#

#Let me know if it works and while you are trying this I will try to find out

#the other tincture....I know it's in my notes somewhere.



Too bad there is no mention of the plant used.



Try this, if you care to...



Pain/cramps: General:



Tincture (50%> alcohol) of HOPS FLOWERS and WILD LETTUCE (L. Virosa)



Use fresh plant material. Grind plants in a large 'sarabachi' (Japanese

mortal/pestal) with a cup of 100-120 proof vodka. Pour mash into large jar,

repeat. Be sure that the liquid covers the plant material at the end of

this process.



Seal jar (plastic-wrap under lid) and put in dark place. Agitate once per day.



After 10 days, invert large jar into funnel lined with large coffee-filter

(the large, black coffee-filter cones, with inner ribbed surface, is

perfect for this) and allow to filter into collecting jar. Do this away

from sunlight.



Store in 'well-filled, tightly stoppered' brown-glass bottles, in cool,

dark place.



DOSE: As needed. Caution! This mixture has been known to produce euphoria,

hallucinations, and deep sleep. It is ANODYNE, SOPORIFIC, cooling, tends to

depress all functions to baseline.



Remember, the menstruum (solvent liquid) used MUST BE minimum 50% alcohol.

120 proof is best.



This posting should not be construed to constitute medical advice! Use with

caution!





==Gene Poole==



-- 

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>#I use the tincture of the fresh plant (make it myself). 10-20 drops in some

>#water and wait 30 minutes. If that doesn't do anything then take more,

>second

>#dose should. Now this is for cramps, not anything really serious. There is

>#another tincture that has been recommended for serious menstrual problems,

>#vomiting and all that but it doesn' come to mind now and I haven't used it

>#myself.

>#

>#To use it as a tonic instead of an emergency measure you should take 10

>drops

>#in water every morning starting two weeks before you bleed, in other words

>#starting with ovulation.

>#

>#To the best of my knowledge there are no harmful side effects/dangers.

>#

>#Let me know if it works and while you are trying this I will try to find out

>#the other tincture....I know it's in my notes somewhere.

>

>Too bad there is no mention of the plant used.

>

>Try this, if you care to...

>

>Pain/cramps: General:

>

>Tincture (50%> alcohol) of HOPS FLOWERS and WILD LETTUCE (L. Virosa)

>

>Use fresh plant material. Grind plants in a large 'sarabachi' (Japanese

>mortal/pestal) with a cup of 100-120 proof vodka. Pour mash into large jar,

>repeat. Be sure that the liquid covers the plant material at the end of

>this process.

>

>Seal jar (plastic-wrap under lid) and put in dark place. Agitate once per

>day.

>

>After 10 days, invert large jar into funnel lined with large coffee-filter

>(the large, black coffee-filter cones, with inner ribbed surface, is

>perfect for this) and allow to filter into collecting jar. Do this away

>from sunlight.

>

>Store in 'well-filled, tightly stoppered' brown-glass bottles, in cool,

>dark place.

>

>DOSE: As needed. Caution! This mixture has been known to produce euphoria,

>hallucinations, and deep sleep. It is ANODYNE, SOPORIFIC, cooling, tends to

>depress all functions to baseline.

>

>Remember, the menstruum (solvent liquid) used MUST BE minimum 50% alcohol.

>120 proof is best.

>

>This posting should not be construed to constitute medical advice! Use with

>caution!

>

>

>



Sorry about that, the plant was mentioned in previous posts, it is Motherwort

or Leonurus cardiaca.



Your method of making a tincture sounds awful complicated Gene Poole. Where do

you manage to find 120 proof vodka? We have trouble locating the 100 proof

stuff.



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Motherwort is also wonderful for menopausal hotflashes.   Susun Weed, in her

book, The Menopausal Years, the Wise Woman Way, mentions that it is her

favorite remedy.   When I first started meno, it was the ONLY thing that

helped me.



You can buy the tincture already made too.



Evelyn





LEvans1044 wrote in message

<1998062800161900.UAA07593@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>>#I use the tincture of the fresh plant (make it myself). 10-20 drops in

some

>>#water and wait 30 minutes. If that doesn't do anything then take more,

>>second

>>#dose should. Now this is for cramps, not anything really serious. There

is

>>#another tincture that has been recommended for serious menstrual

problems,

>>#vomiting and all that but it doesn' come to mind now and I haven't used

it

>>#myself.

>>#

>>#To use it as a tonic instead of an emergency measure you should take 10

>>drops

>>#in water every morning starting two weeks before you bleed, in other

words

>>#starting with ovulation.

>>#

>>#To the best of my knowledge there are no harmful side effects/dangers.

>>#

>>#Let me know if it works and while you are trying this I will try to find

out

>>#the other tincture....I know it's in my notes somewhere.

>>

>>Too bad there is no mention of the plant used.

>>

>>Try this, if you care to...

>>

>>Pain/cramps: General:

>>

>>Tincture (50%> alcohol) of HOPS FLOWERS and WILD LETTUCE (L. Virosa)

>>

>>Use fresh plant material. Grind plants in a large 'sarabachi' (Japanese

>>mortal/pestal) with a cup of 100-120 proof vodka. Pour mash into large

jar,

>>repeat. Be sure that the liquid covers the plant material at the end of

>>this process.

>>

>>Seal jar (plastic-wrap under lid) and put in dark place. Agitate once per

>>day.

>>

>>After 10 days, invert large jar into funnel lined with large coffee-filter

>>(the large, black coffee-filter cones, with inner ribbed surface, is

>>perfect for this) and allow to filter into collecting jar. Do this away

>>from sunlight.

>>

>>Store in 'well-filled, tightly stoppered' brown-glass bottles, in cool,

>>dark place.

>>

>>DOSE: As needed. Caution! This mixture has been known to produce euphoria,

>>hallucinations, and deep sleep. It is ANODYNE, SOPORIFIC, cooling, tends

to

>>depress all functions to baseline.

>>

>>Remember, the menstruum (solvent liquid) used MUST BE minimum 50% alcohol.

>>120 proof is best.

>>

>>This posting should not be construed to constitute medical advice! Use

with

>>caution!

>>

>>

>>

>

>Sorry about that, the plant was mentioned in previous posts, it is

Motherwort

>or Leonurus cardiaca.

>

>Your method of making a tincture sounds awful complicated Gene Poole. Where

do

>you manage to find 120 proof vodka? We have trouble locating the 100 proof

>stuff.







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I need some advice on some detoxification herbs. Any info?



--

Jen :)



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>I need some advice on some detoxification herbs. Any info?



Dandelion root/leaf, Burdock, Echinacea, Oregon Grape root, Red Clover,  and

Milk Thistle.  Liquid extracts more effective for detox than tablets/capsules.



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Running--hard and long--is a great way to detox.  The sweating clears out your fat

stores.  Good luck,

-tab



Cnsjjc wrote:



> >I need some advice on some detoxification herbs. Any info?

>

> Dandelion root/leaf, Burdock, Echinacea, Oregon Grape root, Red Clover,  and

> Milk Thistle.  Liquid extracts more effective for detox than tablets/capsules.

>

> X-no-archive: yes









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Cnsjjc wrote in message <1998062014323900.KAA11363@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>>I need some advice on some detoxification herbs. Any info?

>

>Dandelion root/leaf, Burdock, Echinacea, Oregon Grape root, Red Clover,  and

>Milk Thistle.  Liquid extracts more effective for detox than tablets/capsules.

>





Just curious, can you explain your reason for suggesting liquid over capsules?





BTW, a sauna is also a good way to dextox.







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This isn't in my Rodale book.

How do I use it?  jennifer



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 Need info on Grape seed extract ,someone told it could be used to help clear 

 the lungs, so can anyone tell me if this is true 





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ADLERMURPH wrote:

> 

>  Need info on Grape seed extract ,someone told it could be used to help clear

>  the lungs, so can anyone tell me if this is true





Are you sure it wasn't Grapefruit Seed Extract?  Grape Seed Extract is a

powerful anti-oxidant.  Here's what I have on GSE:



Stops sore throat, Kills Strep!



Such a simple remedy for a problem that is usually candy-coated instead

of cured! 



Gargling with GSE and water will handle the most resistant Strep germs.

The necessary dilution of GSE against Streptococcus faecalis is only

1:80,000, in vitro. In vivo, doctors are recommending gargling with 2 to

3 drops in 5 ounces of water. This gives an effective and potent

dilution ratio of about 300 - 500 ppm. 



Unlike many currently marketed products for sore throat pain, after

gargling with GSE, it is completely healthful to swallow the solution. 



Here's the website so you can check on all it's other uses:



http://www.nutriteam.com/



Fidget



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     FDA DEMANDS DESTRUCTION OF BOOKS ON STEVIA



  Stevia is a safe medicinal herb that is both a sweetener 

  and lowers blood sugar (strongly correlated with life

  extension). Stevioside is the sweetener from Stevia 

  that is up to 200 to 300 times sweeter than sugar 

  and contains no calories! Unlike aspartame it can be 

  used in cooking, remaining stable up to 198 degrees. 



  Dr. Julian Whitaker said that "Of the two sweeteners 

  (aspartame and Stevia), Stevia wins hands down for 

  safety." The chemist, Dr. Leigh Broadhurst, said:



  	  Unlike saccharine, Stevia does 

	  not become bitter. Much more

	  concentrated than aspartame. [1]



  Stevia is a potential threat to the market domination

  of aspartame, which some claim has many negative health 

  effects. [2] If the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 

  has its way, that may never happen. The FDA been harass-

  ing the Texas-based Stevita Co., which imports the sweet-

  ner. On May 19th the FDA increased the pressure by demad-

  ing that Stevita Co. destroy all their books on Stevia.

  The FDA order states that FDA officials must be on site

  to "witness the destruction of the cookbooks, literature, 

  and other publications for the purpose of verifying com-

  pliance" with the FDA's order to burn all the books.



  Ian Williams Goddard  - http://Ian.Goddard.net



___________________________________________________________________

The following is from: http://web2.airmail.net/marystod/fdabook.htm





       FDA ATTEMPTS TO COMPEL DESTRUCTION OF BOOKS



          [On Natural Herbal Supplement Stevia]



DALLAS - May 26, 1998 -- In an unprecendented move, US Food 

and Drug Administration officials threatened legal action 

against Texas-based Stevita Co., importers of the sweet-

tasting herbal dietary supplement, Stevia - for distri-

buting books and literature about their product. 



The latest volley in a bitter battle has been fired at Texas-

based Stevita Co.by federal Food and Drug Administration 

officials.  The FDA, an agency of the federal government, is 

responsible for upholding the U.S. Constitution which guarantees 

freedom of speech and expression. This responsiblity was drawn 

into question on May 19th when FDA Compliance Officer, James R. 

Lahar faxed a letter to Stevita Co. addressing the destruction 

of 2,500 books he deemed "offending," at a cost to the company 

well in excess of $10,000. The letter further threatens that

investigators will conduct a current inventory and "witness 

the destruction of the cookbooks, literature, and other pub-

lications for the purpose of verifying compliance" upon 

visiting Stevita Co. for a fourth time this year.



One of three books in question is The Stevia Story  - A tale 

of incredible sweetness & intrigue, by Linda Bonvie, Bill 

Bonvie and Donna Gates with Foreword by James S. Turner, 

Esq..  Ironically, Chapter Four of the book the FDA wants to 

destroy is titled: "What's wrong with the FDA?" An attempt to

strongarm critics into silence - similar to book burnings in

Nazi Germany?



Oscar Rodes, President of the Stevita Company said the 

FDA ordered the action because the books contain general 

information that include: history, usages and scientific 

studies regarding stevia.  Currently, Federal law requires 

stevia herbal products can only be marketed as dietary 

supplements without any mention of having sweetening power.



                       ###





"The Stevia Story-A tale of incredible sweetness & 

intrigue" by Linda Bonvie, Bill Bonvie and Donna 

Gates. ISBN :0-9638458-1-0 ; 79 pp; B.E.D. Publica-

tions Co., Atlanta, GA 30327; 1997. 1-800-4STEVIA.]



_________________________________________________________________

[1]

https://www.orderprocessing.com/cgi-bin/Web_store/web_store.cgi?page=herbind.htm&cart_id=9410712.11589





[2] Aspartame Consumer Safety Network 

http://web2.airmail.net/marystod/ 





  Recommended Stavia Web Pages: 



  http://www.healthfree.com/herbgarden/stevia.htm 



  http://www.healthfree.com/herbgarden/stevlife.htm 







**************************************************************

VISIT IAN WILLIAMS GODDARD  -------->  http://Ian.Goddard.net 

______________________________________________________________ 



  "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its

 opponents and making them see the light, but rather because

  its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows 

   up that is familiar with the idea from the beginning."



                 Max Plank - Nobel physicist



     "The smallest minority on earth is the individual.

       Those who deny individual rights cannot claim 

         to be defenders of minorities." Ayn Rand



 



 



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In article <358af6a2.85008873@news.erols.com> IAN@GODARD.NET (Ian Goddard) writes:

>From: IAN@GODARD.NET (Ian Goddard)

>Subject: FDA to Burn Books on Stevia Herb

>Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 23:42:19 GMT



>     FDA DEMANDS DESTRUCTION OF BOOKS ON STEVIA



>  Stevia is a safe medicinal herb that is both a sweetener 

>  and lowers blood sugar (strongly correlated with life

>  extension). Stevioside is the sweetener from Stevia 

>  that is up to 200 to 300 times sweeter than sugar 

>  and contains no calories! Unlike aspartame it can be 

>  used in cooking, remaining stable up to 198 degrees. 



>  Dr. Julian Whitaker said that "Of the two sweeteners 

>  (aspartame and Stevia), Stevia wins hands down for 

>  safety." The chemist, Dr. Leigh Broadhurst, said:



>          Unlike saccharine, Stevia does 

>          not become bitter. Much more

>          concentrated than aspartame. [1]



>  Stevia is a potential threat to the market domination

>  of aspartame, which some claim has many negative health 

>  effects. [2] If the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 

>  has its way, that may never happen. The FDA been harass-

>  ing the Texas-based Stevita Co., which imports the sweet-

>  ner. On May 19th the FDA increased the pressure by demad-

>  ing that Stevita Co. destroy all their books on Stevia.

>  The FDA order states that FDA officials must be on site

>  to "witness the destruction of the cookbooks, literature, 

>  and other publications for the purpose of verifying com-

>  pliance" with the FDA's order to burn all the books.



>  Ian Williams Goddard  - http://Ian.Goddard.net



>___________________________________________________________________

>The following is from: http://web2.airmail.net/marystod/fdabook.htm





>       FDA ATTEMPTS TO COMPEL DESTRUCTION OF BOOKS



>          [On Natural Herbal Supplement Stevia]



>DALLAS - May 26, 1998 -- In an unprecendented move, US Food 

>and Drug Administration officials threatened legal action 

>against Texas-based Stevita Co., importers of the sweet-

>tasting herbal dietary supplement, Stevia - for distri-

>buting books and literature about their product. 



>The latest volley in a bitter battle has been fired at Texas-

>based Stevita Co.by federal Food and Drug Administration 

>officials.  The FDA, an agency of the federal government, is 

>responsible for upholding the U.S. Constitution which guarantees 

>freedom of speech and expression. This responsiblity was drawn 

>into question on May 19th when FDA Compliance Officer, James R. 

>Lahar faxed a letter to Stevita Co. addressing the destruction 

>of 2,500 books he deemed "offending," at a cost to the company 

>well in excess of $10,000. The letter further threatens that

>investigators will conduct a current inventory and "witness 

>the destruction of the cookbooks, literature, and other pub-

>lications for the purpose of verifying compliance" upon 

>visiting Stevita Co. for a fourth time this year.



      They can't so this anymore.    Leastwise,  not without going thru a 

bunch of things,  which the FDA is well-aware of.    A recent supreme court 

case ( 44 liquormart  v. Rhode island ) says they have to  prove "significant 

government interest"   and then they have to show that the censorship is the 

minimum necessary,  and that the government interest can't be accomplished any 

other way,  etc.   



       This is complete with hearings in which the FDA people have to sit for 

under oath.     Intererestingly,  in a related case ( WLF v. Kessler )  the 

FDA a court order refused to produce FDA director for a deposition.   The FDA 

already admits this for tobacco-- check out their web site using 44 liquormart 

as a keyword.



Peter H. Proctor, PhD, MD.







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Subject: Stevia - Ethnobotanical Reciprocity Criteria - Paraguay

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The time for Stevia rebaudiana Bertoni is comming....slowly but surely. As a

Native of Paraguay, and growing up in the villages of Paraguay in close

contact with the Guarani Indians, who over one thousand yr. ago began using

Stevia I believe that is my mission to contribute to spreading the word on

this wonder herb of the world. The Guarani Indians have learned of the many

medicinal properties of Stevia and its sweetening properties well before the

Spanish Conquistadors arrived in Asuncion the Capital of Paraguay.... They

used the plant to sweeten their food as well as the Mate (Ilex

paraguariensis) another well known green tea of Paraguay. In spite the

ridiculous FDA position on the status of Stevia, people all over the world

are increasingnly using stevia for its many applications in the food industry

as well as for its therapeutical benefits.... As people become more and more

concern about what they consume with todays puzzling choices of food items in

the food market chain....the trend towards more wholsome food products i.e.

more natural rather than - made in the lab chemicals- are awakening into a

new era of - wait a minute attitude....is this stuff made in the lab or is it

'NATURE MADE' ? hmmmmmmm  well, there is a time for everything in life...and

the time....for returning to natural resources..seems to be growing...for the

sake of everyone's benefits... Wants to know more about Paraguay's Stevia

Story (the native place of Stevia) We are working with the Guarani Indians

and with empoverished rural villages of Paraguay to producde Stevia with a

criteria of sustainability and with the criteria of 'Ethnobotanical

reciprocity' - Should you be interested in knowing more about this initiative

please visit our web site at: http://www.uconect.net/~guarani Maitei = (Peace

and Joy in guarani Language)













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Can anyone comment on the use of this herb?  Heard it works like Kava

Kava. Does it?

Thank you, Greg

gkk2001



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gkk2001 wrote:

> 

> Can anyone comment on the use of this herb?  Heard it works like Kava

> Kava. Does it?

> Thank you, Greg

> gkk2001





Kava is known to be an anti-anxiety herb - takes the edge off.



Passion Flower creates relaxation and promotes sleep.



Fidget



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If it promotes sleep, why is it called "passion flower?"





Fidget wrote:



> Passion Flower creates relaxation and promotes sleep.



--

Stephen W. Anderson, Rocky Mount, North Carolina



   (To mail, change left side of header address from "aws" to "swa")







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Stephen W. Anderson wrote:

> 

> If it promotes sleep, why is it called "passion flower?"

> 

> Fidget wrote:

> 

> > Passion Flower creates relaxation and promotes sleep.



Because a complex metaphor has been created to equate its 

appearance with a certain overriding Western cultural myth 

concerning the physical suffering of a 'definitive' god-man....



-Kyra [who is NOT a Paulinian, thankyouverymuch]



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I frequently use passionflower tincture to help relax my mind, when it's

running in circles, and body, my shoulders tend to hunch when I'm stressed.

Sometimes it helps me to sleep but valerian or calcium are more effective

for me. I haven't noticed any other effects. 

-- 

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gkk2001 <gkk2001@accucomm.net> wrote in article

<358b09e7.344278832@nes.accucomm.net>...

> Can anyone comment on the use of this herb?  Heard it works like Kava

> Kava. Does it? 



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In article <358b09e7.344278832@news.accucomm.net>,

  gkk2001@accucomm.net (gkk2001) wrote:

>

> Can anyone comment on the use of this herb?  Heard it works like Kava

> Kava. Does it?

> Thank you, Greg

> gkk2001

>



I take a sleepaid called Calms Forte, it has Passion flower in it as well as

Camomille, it isn't very strong, but it isn't adictive, and it is cheap



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From legalEis@stetic.net Sat Jun 20 04:49:51 1998

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Subject: Gingko Biloba leaves...

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Schalom !



I got dried Gingko Biloba leaves from a friend recently.

Does anybody know how to use it and which dosage should be ingested for

non-therapeutical purpose ?

Or does someone have informations about the "potency" of (dried) leaves

and/or the plant's fruits ?





thanks



legalEis@stetic.net





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Is there a way to get rid of them without going to the doctor?



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> Is there a way to get rid of them without going to the doctor?

> 



From logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 19:58:44 1998

From: logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk (The Ginger Tabby)

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Subject: Echinacea for Cats?

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Hi gang,



My sister in law has a cat with heart problems whose immune system is

not functioning well lately.  He's been getting flu, pneumonia, etc

almost constantly since being diagnosed with an enlarged heart about

six months ago.  He is only 10, but he is acting and looking more like

18 or so.



Basically, I was wondering if I could give him Echinacea to give him a

boost and stop him from getting so sick all the time.  The vet just

keeps giving him antibiotics.  Any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.



Kat

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logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk (The Ginger Tabby) wrote:



>My sister in law has a cat with heart problems whose immune system is

>not functioning well lately.  He's been getting flu, pneumonia, etc

>almost constantly since being diagnosed with an enlarged heart about

>six months ago.

>Basically, I was wondering if I could give him Echinacea 



  Cats have totally different reactions to some things than

humans: for example the dose of aspirin that is safe for a 10-lb

baby can kill a cat of the same weight.

  If you start dosing hijm without finding some solid research,

be aware that you could KILL him rather quickly.



From logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk Sun Jun 21 02:35:00 1998

From: logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk (The Ginger Tabby)

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abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

>  If you start dosing hijm without finding some solid research,

>be aware that you could KILL him rather quickly.



No offence, but give me a little credit for some brains please.  I had

no intention of dosing him without research.  That's why I posted, to

see if anyone had any first hand knowledge and experience.  I've also

been reading books and doing searches on the Net.  So I am not jumping

into this without research.  I was merely seeking advice and

experience.



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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:35:00 GMT, logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk (The

Ginger Tabby) wrote:

>No offence, but give me a little credit for some brains please.  I had

>no intention of dosing him without research.  That's why I posted, to

>see if anyone had any first hand knowledge and experience.  I've also

>been reading books and doing searches on the Net.  So I am not jumping

>into this without research.  I was merely seeking advice and

>experience.

>

>Kat

See if there are any vets in your area that are wholistic, many more

are nowadays. Then, call them and ask. Also check out vet schools.

People on this ng mean well, but they aren't experts, and you'd want

to get a vet's opinion on this. 

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As far as Echniacea dosage we've used the same for the goats as we do for

humans, 1 drop tincture for every 2 lbs body weight every 2 hours, lengthing

time between doses to 3 X day and then amount. I think that would work. The

motherwort I'd be more careful with, perhaps try half that and only twice a day

for a week, a week off and then a week on again. 



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Not that familiar with cats, have been told that they do not digest plants that

well. *shrug* I do know that it works wonders on goats, as does motherwort.

This is in tincture form. The Echniacea for immune system and the motherwort

for the heart.



Belinda



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Hi all



Just wanted to report my findings in case anyone is interested.  I did

searches on the Web, read some books and talked to some vets and the

general consensus is that echinacea is safe for kitties in baby sized

doses and better for them in tincture rather than capsules or

whatever.  Something about the way they digest greens.  With this in

mind, I will try him on one drop a day for two weeks, then off, then

start again, etc.  I will post the results if anyone is interested.



Thanks for the suggestions folks.



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Contents

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1.  Call to Save European Wild Medicinal Plants 

2.  Study Finds Garlic Does Not Lower Cholesterol

3.  Garlic Study Not Applicable to Most U.S. Garlic Products

4.  Manufacturer Denies Ephedra Product Caused Death

5.  Family of Student Who Died from Herbal Ecstasy Settles Suit

6.  Herbal Mystic Carlos Casteneda Dead

7.  China's "Golden Triangle" to Get Major Investment in Herbal Medicine

8.  U.S. Herb Importer Launches Court Challenge to Stop FDA Interference 

9.  St. Johnswort Harvest Begins 

10. North American Study to Test St Johnswort Against Severe Depression

11. The Bud In This Beer Is A Bit Of Marijuana

12. Kava Root is Hot Herb for Anxiety

13. Adverse Reactions to Herbal Products Monitored in California

14. Herb Business News

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1. Call to Save European Wild Medicinal Plants 

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By Karen Edwards



   LONDON, June 18, PA News -- British consumers who are turning to herbal

remedies for aches and pains are causing a major environmental headache

for other countries, a report claimed today. 



   More than 150 European wild plants are in danger of being wiped-out because

they are being over-harvested in their natural habitat to meet demand for herbal

products - which is especially strong among people in the UK, according to the

report.



   And the only way to combat the crisis is to grow and harvest the plants

commercially, instead of plundering them from the wild.



   The report has been produced by Traffic - the wildlife trade monitoring

programme set up by the WWF-World Wide Fund for Nature and The World

Conservation Union (IUCN).



   None of the endangered species grows in Britain where rare wild plants are

protected species. But Britain is one of the world's top importers of wild

plants, together with France, Germany, Italy and Spain.



   A current rise in demand for licorice, which grows wild mainly in Turkey,

means it is at risk of dying out.



   Another species which could be wiped out is the Pheasant's Eye Adonis

vernalis which is already extinct in Italy and the Netherlands and is considered

vulnerable in the rest of Europe.



   The report, Europe's Medicinal and Aromatic Plants: Their use, Trade and

Conservation, by Dr Dagmar Lange, follows in-depth studies in eight countries:

Albania, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Hungary, Turkey, Spain and the UK.



   It shows that nearly 1,300 of Europe's wild plants are used on a commercial

basis in medicinal and herbal remedies, cosmetics and toiletries and cleaning

products.



   A spokeswoman for Traffic said the 75-page study shows that Britain has about

3,000 products on the market that use wild plants. About 25% of British

consumers said they preferred to use them.



   Tom De Meulenaer, director of Traffic Europe, said: "There is no doubt that

the long-term survival of some of these species is at risk.



   "Legislation to protect endangered species is present in almost all European

countries, but one alarming trend is that conservation efforts usually begin

only after a species becomes threatened. For some populations, it's just too

late."



   A spokeswoman for Traffic added: "Today roughly one in four of all

prescriptions dispensed by western pharmacists is likely to contain ingredients

derived from plants.



   "The message is not to stop buying them, but that what we need to do is start

harvesting them and planting them commercially."



   The report is available throughout Europe and will be discussed at the First

International Symposium on the Conservation of Medicinal Plants in Trade in

Europe, taking place at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, on June 22 and 23.



   The WWF today also called for a change in the market to protect Europe's

medicinal and aromatic plants.



   A spokeswoman said: "The UK is among the world's top 12 importers of

medicinal and aromatic plants, importing over 700 different plants for the

herbal medicine trade alone, of which 200 come from Europe.



   "The trade is largely unmonitored and many populations of these species are

at risk. The herbal medicine trade has been booming for a number of years and 1

in 4 people in the UK now use herbal remedies on a regular basis."



   Traffic is calling for: Enhanced trade monitoring, International trade

controls, improved legislation and law enforcement, development of management

programmes, raised public awareness, protected areas and certification for plant

material from sustainable sources.



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2. Study Finds Garlic Does Not Lower Cholesterol

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By Lindsey Tanner



   CHICAGO, June 17, AP -- Hold the mouthwash. A new study disputes the

notion that eating garlic can lower cholesterol. 



   The 25 participants in the German study had high cholesterol and swallowed

either a placebo or the equivalent of three to four cloves of garlic every day

for six months.



   There were no significant changes in the participants' overall cholesterol

levels, nor in their levels of "good" cholesterol or "bad" cholesterol.



   "We were actually surprised how clearly negative the results were," said Dr.

Heiner K. Berthold, a clinical pharmacologist at the University of Bonn. The

findings were published in today's Journal of the American Medical Association.



   Garlic, a folk remedy dating back at least as far as the ancient Egyptians,

is thought by some to lower cholesterol and prevent heart disease.



   The bulbous herb contains allicin, which some studies have said acts as an

antibiotic. The Egyptians used garlic on wounds, infections and intestinal

parasites. British Army surgeons used it to control infection among soldiers in

World War I.



   The garlic used in the study was an oil preparation in pill form at a dosage

high enough to produce breath odor and higher even than in some previous studies

that found modest cholesterol-lowering benefits.



   "The failure of this study to detect any significant effect in our view is

certainly not surprising," said Dr. Ronald Krauss, chairman of the American

Heart Association's nutrition committee and head of molecular medicine at the

University of California's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory.



   "This study qualifies as a solid scientific study. It's what people should be

basing their thought-processes on," instead of on folklore.



   Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine, a Washington group that favors alternative therapies, said that the

study was too small to be definitive and that the researchers examined only a

garlic-oil preparation.



   The results have no bearing on other forms of garlic, he said.



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3.  Garlic Study Not Applicable to Most U.S. Garlic Products

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    AUSTIN, Texas, June 17, Herb Research Foundation -- Today JAMA

published a study erroneously concluding that garlic is not helpful in

lowering cholesterol. The study was based on a garlic oil product that

does not contain one of garlic's key therapeutically active compounds,

allicin. "It's obvious that the active principle deteriorates in the

steam-distilled oil preparation, so they shouldn't expect any significant

biological activity, unless the product is prepared fresh for each usage,"

said Varro Tyler, former Dean of Pharmacy at Purdue University and a

trustee of the American Botanical Council. 



    Tyler is senior author of an herbal medicine textbook widely used in

pharmacy schools, and co-author of Rational Phytotherapy: A Physician's

Guide to Herbal Medicine. The book states that according to clinical

studies published in Germany, where the JAMA study originates,

preparations made from garlic oil are not as effective as garlic powder. 



    "Steam-distilled garlic oil is not chemically identical to fresh

garlic or dried garlic powder," asserts Mark Blumenthal, executive

director of the American Botanical Council. The placebo-controlled study

published in JAMA involved administration of 5 mg oil capsules twice

daily, on and off for six months. Based on the study's results, the JAMA

article reaches the following conclusion: "The commercial garlic

preparation investigated had no influence on serum lipoproteins,

cholesterol absorption, or cholesterol synthesis. Garlic therapy for

treatment of hypercholesteremia cannot be recommended on the basis of this

study." 



    "The authors draw an illogical conclusion," comments Blumenthal.

"Garlic oil does not represent all garlic preparations, or even the

benefits of whole garlic as a food." The leading garlic product in Europe,

Kwai, manufactured by Lichtwer Pharma of Berlin is made of a standardized

garlic powder. This powder contains the chemicals alliin and alliinase

which produce another compound, allicin, the focus of much of the European

research on garlic. The majority of clinical studies on Kwai do suggest a

cholesterol-lowering activity, especially of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. 



    The JAMA study's primary author, Dr. Heiner K. Berthold, claimed that

the garlic oil was chemically similar to powdered garlic preparations, and

included allicin. Dr. Joerg Gruenwald, head of PhytoPharm Consulting in

German and former director of research at Lichtwer Pharma in Berlin, and

an acknowledged expert on garlic research, said, "Products based on the

steam-distilled oil of garlic do not contain the chemical alliin which is

essential in forming allicin." He stressed that various garlic products

contain different chemical composition and biological activity. 



    According to Jeanette Schubert of Lichtwer Pharma USA in Pittsburgh,

"There are at least 12 clinical studies indicating beneficial

cholesterol-lowering activity of Kwai, the leading European garlic

product. In addition, there are 46 clinical studies on other

cardiovascular effects of Kwai." 



    A manufacturer of a leading garlic product from Japan was clear about

the implications of this study. Bill Stirling, Director of Marketing at

Wakunaga, makers of Kyolic garlic, said "These negative results do not

apply in any way to Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract. All research on Kyolic is

published in peer-reviewed journals independent of company influence and

show that Kyolic consistently helps drop cholesterol levels. We would much

rather talk about the positive science on Kyolic than these negative

results on lesser products." 



    Blumenthal pointed out that this issue raises the need for responsible

assessment of research on herbs.  "Not all herbal products are alike. The

method of preparation of various commercial herbal products has a major

influence on their activity in the hum an body." 



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4.  Manufacturer Denies Ephedra Product Caused Death

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    WASHINGTON, June 18, PRNewswire -- Today dietary supplement

manufacturer Twinlab responded to recent media reports that incorrectly

linked the April 1998 death of a California teen with Ripped Fuel(R), a

product manufactured by Twinlab. 



    Twinlab President Ross Blechman pointed out that Santa Barbara County,

California coroner's office attributed the death of 15-year-old Rosanna Porras

to a pre-existing heart defect called 'bland-white-garland syndrome.' The girl's

heart defect led to the massive heart attack that caused her death following her

collapse while playing soccer.



    "Some early media accounts following Rosanna Porras' unfortunate death

implied that she died after taking ephedra based dietary supplement Ripped

Fuel(R), a product Twinlab has marketed safely to consumers for years," Blechman

said.  "In fact, the coroner's office found no medical evidence she took or had

taken Ripped Fuel(R).  Therefore, there is no evidence that Ripped Fuel(R)

played any role in this tragic occurrence."



    "Twinlab deeply regrets the death of young Rosanna Porras and our sympathies

go to her family and loved ones," said Twinlab President Ross Blechman.



    Twinlab is a 30-year-old family-run company that markets over 900 dietary

supplements, including vitamins, minerals, nutraceuticals, sports nutrition

products, herbs and herbal teas.  



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5.  Family of Student Who Died from Herbal Ecstasy Settles Suit

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   PANAMA CITY BEACH, Fla., May 26, AP -- The family of a student who died

from an overdose of an herbal product that mimics the illegal street drug

Ecstasy agreed Tuesday to settle with manufacturers for $2.5 million. 



   Peter Schlendorf, 20, a student from State University of New York at

Albany, died March 1996 from an overdose of Ultimate Xphoria while on

spring break in this Florida Panhandle city. A month later, Florida and

New York banned the sale of the pill and other ephedrine-containing

stimulants. 



   "It was an egregious case because this was a product that had not been

analyzed by its makers," said lawyer Virginia Buchanan, who represents

Schlendorf's parents. 



   The two Tempe, Ariz.-based companies -- American Supplement

Technologies Inc.  and Alternative Health Research Inc. -- had no comment. 



   Makers of such stimulants often claim they heighten sexual awareness

and enhance athletic performance. 



   The Food and Drug Administration classifies ephedrine as a dietary

supplement often used in weight-control products. But the FDA also warns

ephedrine can cause heart attacks, seizures and psychosis. 



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6.  Herbal Mystic Carlos Casteneda Dead

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   LOS ANGELES, June 19, AP -- Best-selling author Carlos Castaneda, whose

books about Don Juan and drug-induced mysticism attracted millions of New

Age followers, has died of liver cancer. He was believed to be at least

66. 



   Castaneda died April 27 at his Westwood home, attorney Deborah Drooz said

today. No funeral was held and his cremated remains were taken to Mexico.



   For more than three decades, Castaneda claimed to have been the apprentice of

a Yaqui Indian sorcerer named Don Juan Matus. His first book, "The Teachings of

Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge," described peyote-fueled journeys with a

sorcerer who could bend time and space.



   Castaneda argued that reality is a shared way of looking at the universe that

can be transcended through discipline, ritual and concentration. The sorcerer,

he said, can see and use the energy that comprises everything -- but the path to

that knowledge is hard and dangerous.



   While his 10 books sold millions of copies worldwide -- and continue to sell

in 17 languages -- critics doubted that Don Juan existed.



   Castaneda always maintained that his experiences were real.



   "This is not a work of fiction," Castaneda said in the prologue to his 1981

book, "The Eagle's Gift." "What I am describing is alien to us; therefore, it

seems unreal."



   Castaneda was obscure on such matters as his birth. Immigration records

indicated he was born Dec. 25, 1925 in Cajamarca, Peru, while various resource

books place his birth exactly six years later, in Sao Paulo, Brazil.



   "He didn't like attention," Drooz told the Los Angeles Times. "He always made

sure people did not take his picture or record his voice. He didn't like the

spotlight."



   Castaneda, who held a Ph.D. in anthropology from the University of

California, Los Angeles, said he met Don Juan in Arizona in the early 1960s

while researching medicinal plants. He followed when the shaman moved to Sonora,

Mexico.



   His first book was a best seller when it appeared in 1968, as were several

sequels that purported to track Castaneda's 12-year apprenticeship.



   The books were critically praised -- author Joyce Carol Oates called them

"remarkable works of art" -- and even debunkers liked his heady visions of

mysticism. "It is a con touched by genius," one critic wrote in the Saturday

Review.



   In recent years, Castaneda's disciples offered seminars and books on

"Tensegrity," a discipline composed of martial arts-like movements that

Castaneda once said allowed ancient Mexican shamans to "perform indescribable

feats of perception."



   He claimed that Don Juan recommended it as a way for him to lose weight.

   "The movements force the awareness of man to focus on the idea that we are

spheres of luminosity, a conglomerate of energy fields held together by a

special glue," he told the Times in a 1995 interview.



   Castaneda himself rarely made appearances and never allowed himself to be

photographed or tape-recorded.



   "A recording is a way of fixing you in time," he once said. "The only thing a

sorcerer will not do is be stagnant."



   While Castaneda contended that Don Juan did not die but rather "burned from

within," he had no doubt about his own mortality.



   "Since I'm a moron, I'm sure I'll die," he told the Times. "I wish I would

have the integrity to leave the way he did, but there is no assurance."



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7. China's "Golden Triangle" to Get Major Investment in Herbal Medicine

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   GUIYANG, June 16, Asia Pulse via COMTEX -- China will invest heavily

in developing a 250,000-square-kilometer area in its southwest region,

known as a "Golden Triangle".



   The 250,000-square-kilometer area is located in an area, where Yunnan, 

Guizhou and Sichuan provinces meet, and abounds in land, sunshine and  water

resources ideal for developing efficient agriculture. 



   According to Lu Liangshu, an academic at the Chinese Academy of  Engineering,

the Chinese government has listed the area into one of the  key areas for

overall agricultural development. 



   Under plan, the area will develop traditional farming with the focus on  the

production and processing of herbal medicine, food, aquatic  products, flowers,

trees, silk, tobacco, sugarcane and starch. It will  introduce new

agro-techniques, new varieties, equipment, and management  in line with the

local conditions. 



   Guizhou Province plans to invest 10.35 billion yuan in constructing a 

package of projects to increase the grain output by 1.975 million a  year. 



   Yunnan Province will designate and develop the dry land in the valley  of the

Jinsha River, a main tributary of the Yangtze River, to become a  state-level

tropical crop production base. The base will concentrate on  the development of

meat, grain, vegetable, tobacco and flowers. 



   Sichuan Province will transform low-yield farmland in southern Sichuan 

including Panzhihua and Xi'chang prefectures into another granary after  the

Chengdu Plain in the province. 



   With abundant sunshine, the area is ideal for growing tropical cash  crops

from South Asia. 



   According to Lu, the area has a 30,000-square-kilometer area, which is  known

as the largest "natural greenhouse" in China's hinterland. 



   Laboratory tests show that the sugar content of sugarcane grown in the  area

has reached as high as 14.5 percent. 



   Lu noted that the development of the area requires not only funds but  also

advanced agrotechniques, and welcomed foreign business people to  make an

investment in this area. 



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8.  U.S. Herb Importer Launches Court Challenge to Stop FDA Interference 

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  SALT LAKE CITY, June 15, AP -- In a case that challenges the

government's ability to regulate natural remedies, a federal judge is

considering when a dietary supplement crosses the line into medicine. 



  Pharmanex, which markets a yeast powder under the name Cholestin, asked U.S.

District Judge Dale Kimball on Monday to stop the Food and Drug Administration

from interfering with the company's imports. 



  The maker of the dietary supplement claims the red yeast rice powder from

China 'promotes healthy cholesterol' and that an FDA ban on its import over

legal concerns, not safety, is choking business. 



  The judge indicated he could rule as early as today on the request to lift the

FDA ban. 



  The FDA is concerned that the over-the-counter Cholestin contains the

powerful, albeit natural, ingredient lovastatin, the key component of Merck &

Co.'s blockbuster anti-cholesterol drug Mevacor, which requires a prescription. 



  The dispute is the first challenge to the FDA's powers under the 1994 Dietary

Supplement Health and Education Act, which provides for the widespread sale of

herbs, teas and capsules containing ingredients that are not FDA-approved as

safe and effective. 



  But the law also set two major restrictions. First, any FDA-approved drug

ingredients cannot also be sold as dietary supplements unless they were sold as

a supplement or food before the drug's approval. 



  Second, supplement manufacturers may claim only general benefits for the

ingredient, rather than cures, prevention or treatments of diseases. 



  FDA regulators say Cholestin runs afoul of the law on both counts: It was not

sold as a supplement before Mevacor was approved, and Pharmanex has made

improper claims about its effectiveness. 



  The safety of Cholestin is not being questioned. 



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9.  St. Johnswort Harvest Begins 

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    PITTSBURGH, Pa., June 15, PRNewswire -- June 24th is the day St.  John

the Baptist's birthday is traditionally celebrated. It is also the time of

year that the plant that bears his name, St. John's Wort, blooms and is

then quickly harvested. 



    There are over 60 species of St. John's Wort.  But by far, the one

that has become most popular this past year is the Hypericum perforatum L

species. 



    This species of St. John's Wort is a hearty but small perennial shrub

with golden yellow flowers.  It grows about two feet high and has dark

green leaves that, when crushed, secrete a dark red oil.  The plant's

leaves have little tiny holes that give the illusion of "perforations," as

alluded to in its Latin name. 



    During last year's harvest, Lichtwer Pharma, the world's largest seller of

St. John's Wort supplements, harvested more than 620 acres, which yielded about

187 tons of plant. The plants then went through an advanced production process

to manufacture LI 160(TM), the only St. John's Wort formulation that has been

proven effective in more than 20 clinical studies to maintain a healthy

emotional balance and well-being. During harvesting time, the company produced

625 million LI 160(TM) tablets.



    In anticipation of increased demand for St. John's Wort all over the world,

Lichtwer Pharma has planned its planting schedule through the rest of this

century.  The company plans to plant at least 2,000 acres of St. John's Wort,

yielding about 3,000 tons of dried plant.



    "While St. John's Wort grows wild all over Europe and the United States,

Lichtwer Pharma follows strict guidelines for the controlled, integrated

cultivation of our St. John's Wort crop. These guidelines relate to things like

soil and climatic requirements, crop rotation and sowings to ensure that, in the

end, consumers receive the same standard product every time," said Bernd

Rosemann, Materials Manager, Lichtwer Pharma AG.



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10. North American Study to Test St Johnswort Against Severe Depression

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   TORONTO, June 11, PRNewswire -- The unique St. John's Wort extract LI

160 has a major role to play in the treatment of mild-to-moderate

depression, say experts meeting in Toronto for the American Psychiatric

Association's Annual Meeting. But they caution consumers that not all

extracts of St. John's Wort are the same and that only one extract known

as LI 160 has extensive clinical evidence to support their recommendation. 



    "It's important to know which St. John's Wort extracts have been clinically

tested and to recommend only these to patients," says Dr. Jacques Bradwejn,

psychiatrist at The Royal Ottawa Hospital.  Dr. Bradwejn helped design the first

North American head-to-head study which will compare the clinically proven St.

John's Wort special extract LI 160 against a placebo, as well as a standard SSRI

anti-depressant medication for more serious forms of depression. The study is

sponsored by the National Institute of Mental Health.



    "There is good clinical evidence to support the use of the LI 160 St. John's

Wort preparation for the treatment of mild-to-moderate depression," says Dr.

Michael Evans, staff physician at the Toronto Hospital and the University of

Toronto Department of Family and Community Medicine, referring to several LI 160

studies published in Europe. "If my patients ask for a recommendation, I go

where there is real evidence of its success."



    In European clinical studies, Kira(R) with LI 160 special extract (the

preparation being used in the NIMH study) appears to be as effective as

conventional anti-depressants for the treatment of mild-to-moderate depression.

The NIMH study will determine the efficacy of St. John's Wort LI 160 in more

severe forms of depression.



    "We're very excited about this study because it will provide answers that

can be integrated into mainstream mental health treatment," says Dr. Bradwejn.

The three-year study will enroll hundreds of patients with depression who will

be randomly assigned to one of three treatment arms -- special St. John's Wort

extract LI 160, a traditional SSRI anti-depressant or a placebo.



    Dr. Jonathan Davidson, Director of the Anxiety and Traumatic Stress Center

at Duke University Medical Centre in North Carolina and Principal Investigator

of the NIMH study says, "St. John's Wort is a good choice for a study because

there is a reasonable body of evidence from Europe to suggest that this herbal

extract can help people with depression." Since 1990, over 25 clinical studies

have been published in Europe using the special extract LI 160 formulation,

involving over 5,600 people. Kira(R) with special extract LI 160 is the most

tested St. John's Wort formulation on the market and the only St. John's Wort

supplement proven in extensive and ongoing research to help people maintain a

healthy emotional balance.



    Commenting on the current use of St. John's Wort in the clinical

management of mild-to-moderate depression, Dr. Evans says, "There are two

scenarios where I recommend St. John's Wort -- for patients who don't meet

all of the criteria for major depression and for patients who will not

take traditional anti-depressants." Dr. Evans sees the role of the

physician to be that of an educator, providing the pros and cons of

self-medicating with alternative treatments, a role that requires

physicians to continually learn about new evidence-based alternative

treatments for patients. 



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11. The Bud In This Beer Is A Bit Of Marijuana

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By Greg Steinmetz 



    BERLIN, May 26, Wall Street Journal -- Asbjoern Gerlach brews his beer

with water, malted barley, yeast, hops -- and marijuana. In Germany, that

last ingredient raises eyebrows, but not for the reason you might think.



  Since 1996, low-tetrahydrocannabinol hemp has been legal here and is now

one of the country's fastest-growing cash crops. Mr. Gerlach, a

30-year-old brewer in Berlin's rough-and-tumble Kreuzberg neighborhood,

adds low-THC Cannabis sativa, the flowering buds of the hemp plant, as a

flavoring in his brew.  He has been doing it on a small scale ever since

hemp was legalized and now sells his beer to pubs as far away as London.



  The police don't care; the hemp in his beer is very low in the active

ingredient people smoke marijuana for. But Germany's image-conscious big

brewers last month threatened to sue him. If Mr. Gerlach should lose in

court, he could be fined $6,000 a bottle for violating the country's

strict beer-purity law.



  The Reinheitsgebot law, enacted in 1516, is one of the first

consumer-protection measures in history. It requires that beer be made

from malt, hops, yeast and water -- and nothing else. If you want to call

it beer, you can't use flavorings. No chocolate, no cinnamon, no tequila

and certainly no marijuana.



  The law was relaxed in 1993 so foreign brewers such as Anheuser-Busch

Cos. and Miller Brewing Co. can sell their "beer" in Germany, additives

and all.  But the old rules still apply to domestic brewers like young Mr.

Gerlach, who looks like a snowboarder in his ragged sweater and baseball

cap. "They are so proud of their stupid law," he complains. 



  Hemp in beer goes way back. In the Middle Ages, before Germany passed

the beer-purity law, brewers commonly used it, among various other herbs.

They liked the aromatic weed because it gave beer a fruity taste and acted

as a preservative. People who drank it "liked the feeling," Mr. Gerlach

says.



  Mr. Gerlach revived the tradition several years ago while earning his

brewing degree at Berlin's Technical University. Hemp was illegal.

Breaking the law made his home brew even more popular at student parties.

"We kept it kind of secret,"  he says. He apprenticed at some big brewers,

but when he graduated and couldn't find a job, he opened a shop for hobby

brewers that sold craft beers, beermaking supplies and beer he brewed

himself.



  He had to keep it quiet until 1996 when Germany legalized hemp

production following intense lobbying from what one government official

called "hippies."  Hemp advocates argued that German agriculture could

benefit from a revival of the plant, which is easy to grow and which can

be used to make all sorts of things, from rope to paper to clothing. Such

products are now sold all over the country, in "hemp stores" and

otherwise. In 1997, the second year for legal hemp in Germany, 7,163 acres

were under cultivation. 



  The German government agreed to legalization after imposing some tough

conditions. Germany allows only nonhallucinogenic varieties to be grown. 

To keep farmers honest, it requires them to register with agriculture

officials and submit to surprise testing of THC levels in their hemp.



  Mr. Gerlach figured even legal hemp would add character to beer -- and

be a good sales gimmick. Immediately after the law passed, he brewed a

batch for a hemp trade fair here. A few months later, with volunteer help

from marketing students at the University of Potsdam, he began commercial

production under the name Turn. The beer is sold in 80 pubs in Berlin and

distributed in Leipzig, Stuttgart and Nuremberg. Some bottles are exported

to Britain, Denmark and Spain.



  The only high anybody gets from drinking Turn comes from alcohol. "You

have to drink 3,000 liters to feel the hemp, but by then you are dead from

the alcohol,"  Mr. Gerlach says. But the beer's label, a blue marijuana

leaf, is suggestive, as is Mr. Gerlach's slogan, "Turn your mind."



  Mr. Gerlach insists he isn't trying to fool anyone. The hemp leaf is

what it is, he says. As for the slogan, "It's our way of saying turn your

mind to the hemp plant for industrial uses."



  Compared to Lowenbrau, Becks and countless other big German beers, Turn

is nothing. Mr. Gerlach produces just 26,400 gallons a year, enough to

produce only 140,800 bottles. But the German Beer Association, the

industry's trade group, is determined to shut him down. Peter Stille, the

group's executive director, says a connection between beer and drug abuse

could damage Germany's reputation for quality beer.



  To put a stop to Turn, the trade group invoked the beer-purity law. But

Mr.  Gerlach thought he had that covered. Nowhere on the label is Turn

called beer.  Rather, it is an "alcoholic drink with hemp buds."



  But the brewing association points out that the label says the product

is "brewed like a traditional beer." Also, Mr. Gerlach's enterprise is

called The Beer Company.



  As chemical analysis would show, Mr. Stille says, "It's beer. But it's

forbidden beer." If the trade group failed to crack down on Turn, he says,

it would have to make exceptions for other brews with unusual ingredients. 

"One bad apple can spoil the whole basket. We don't allow exceptions," he

says.



  Other brewers have had problems with the beer law. Rudolf Wahl, 59, has

been brewing for 36 years. Two years ago, he came out with a hemp beer

called Cannabia and, like Mr. Gerlach, innocently believed that he would

not run afoul of the law as long as he called it a "hemp drink." But

authorities cracked down.  Mr. Wahl still makes Cannabia, but, taking

advantage of a loophole in the beer law, he now mixes it with lemonade. He

has had no legal trouble since then because, all agree, beer mixed with

another drink is no longer beer. "I'm in favor of the law," Mr. Wahl says.

"But in this case it's schizophrenic."



  Peter Fritsch's headaches arise from the fact that he adds sugar to

sweeten his beer, Neuzelle Klosterbrau. The recipe, he says, comes from

monks who for centuries had been brewing in the town of Neuzelle, near the

Polish border. When the brewery association came down on him, he fought

back and hired experts to analyze his drink and declare it a beer. He is

dumbfounded by the trade group's objections. "It's like saying that coffee

becomes something else after you add sugar," he says. He is still in

court.



  Mr. Gerlach is confident that Turn will survive. He has hired a lawyer

and has had help from Berlin's environmentalist Green Party, which won him

some time by arguing that he is creating jobs. Mr. Gerlach only has four

employees at his Kreuzberg location, but every job counts in a

neighborhood with a 30% unemployment rate.



  Mr. Gerlach also has a fallback plan. He has been scouting out locations

in Poland and the Czech Republic with the intention of shipping his beer

back to Germany as an import exempt from the purity law. In the meantime,

he has enough beer to survive a few more months of legal wrangling. "We

have 50,000 bottles in storage," he says.



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12. Kava Root is Hot Herb for Anxiety

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By Judy Foreman



    BOSTON, June 15, Boston Globe -- Traditionally, whenever the people of

the South Pacific islands wanted to welcome a visitor or provide a social

lubricant for communal rituals, they drank a potent potion made from the

roots of an intoxicating pepper plant, kava kava. 



    The jaw-breaking job of turning the tough root of the Piper

methysticum into homemade brew fell to young virgins -- male or female,

depending on the island -- who spent hours chewing the root, then spitting

out the masticated mush into a communal pot, where it was left to mature

for several hours before being quaffed. 



    The effects, says herbal "medicine hunter" and kava promoter Chris

Kilham, were nearly instantaneous: a feeling of profound well-being and

relaxation. 



    What more could one ask? Okay, maybe a little scientific validation.

And access. 



    Westerners are beginning to get both.  In fact, although there are

other herbs that are said to allay anxiety, it's kava that seems poised to

take off like St. John's Wort, the herbal antidepressant that was

virtually unheard of a couple of years ago in North America and now

commands $200-million a year in sales. 



    "The kava market has come out of nowhere.  It's gone from next to

nothing to $40-million to $50-million in sales in one year," says Thomas

Aarts executive editor of the Nutrition Business Journal in San Diego.  At

that, it's still a small chunk of the booming dieatary-supplements

business, which has grown 14 per cent a year for the past three years

to $11.5-billion, driven in part by the popularity of herbals. (In

Canada, kava is available in liquid, capsule or tablet form in many

health food and herbal-remedy stores.)



    Proponents say kava induces a state of relaxation without fogging the

mind as some prescription tranquillizers can.  Kava produces "a delightful

feeling," enthuses Mr. Kilham, who consults for herbal-products companies

that import or market kava. 



    Since many things that sound too good to be true are, some caveats:

The scientific evidence on the benefits and possible risks of kava is

still limited.  There have been 38 double-blind, placebo-controlled

studies on St. John's Wort, also known as Hypericum, says Dr. Harold

Bloomfield, a California psychiatrist who has written a book on it.  By

comparison, there are only half a dozen decent studies on kava, he says.

"We need many, many more -- this is preliminary research at best."



    Dr. Steven Hyman, director of the National Institute of Mental Health,

agrees, calling the kava data "quite weak."  But NIMH is intrigued enough

that it may finance research on it. 



    If the research is not yet there, the need is: An estimated 23 million

Americans wrestle with crippling, life-wrecking, chronic anxiety, and

millions more suffer milder forms. 



    Granted, there are mainstream treatments available, including

anti-anxiety drugs such as Valium, Xanax and Klonopin, which are often

effective but can cause physical dependence.  Non-habit-forming drugs such

as Prozac, an antidepressant, also work against anxiety, as do

cognitive-behaviour therapy and other "talking" psychotherapy. 



    Despite all this, there's still enough angst out there that the

potential demand for herbal tranquillizers is huge.  You should, of

course, consult your doctor before self-medicating for severe anxiety --

or any other serious medical problem. But if you decide to try kava,

here's what you need to know. 

  

    The active ingredients in kava go by two interchangeable names:

kavalactones or kavapyrones. Check the label -- it should say each capsule

is "standardized" to roughly 75 milligrams of kavalactones or kavapyrones,

meaning the concentration is consistent from batch to batch. (Note: kava

pills come in varying strengths -- from 100 to 250 mg -- and the

percentage of kavalactones also varies.  A 250-mg capsule of 30-per-cent

extract would contain 75 mg of kavalactones.)



    The German Commission E, a government-appointed panel that reviews

herbal remedies, has approved kava to combat remedies anxiety, stress and

restlessness and recommends a dose of 60 to 120 mg a day of kavapyrones. 



    Gail Mahady, a pharmacist and plant medicine specialist at the

University of Illinois, adds that side effects are apparently rare. A

monograph she's writing for the World Health Organization will endorse the

use of kava for anxiety symptoms. 



    Some people are allergic to it, however, especially those with known

allergies to pepper, and kava can cause a temporary yellowing of the skin

if used too long. The German commission recommends using it for not more

than three months and says pregnant or nursing women and people with

serious depression should not take it at all. 



    Kava is not only a potent muscle relaxant; it also acts, just as

alcohol and prescription anti-anxiety drugs do, on the brain's GABA

receptors, which regulate anxiety. Kava may also quiet a brain region, the

amygdala, which also governs anxiety. 



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13. Adverse Reactions to Herbal Products Monitored in California

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     SAN FRANCISCO, May 29, BW HealthWire -- Consumers need to be

extremely cautious about drinking or eating off-the-shelf products that

promise weight loss, increased energy, or enhanced athletic performance,

advise experts with the California Poison Control System (CPCS). 



     "In early April, the death of a woman in Southern California

allegedly was linked to her use of a product containing several stimulants

known to increase heart rate and blood pressure.  Since news of that

tragedy, we have received several calls about these types of products,

which are often sold as 'dietary supplements' or 'metabolic enhancers,'"

said Christine Haller, M.D., a consultant with CPCS and a fellow in

medical toxicology at UC San Francisco and the SF Veterans Affairs Medical

Center. 



     "People should not assume that any dietary supplement is safe just

because it is labeled 'natural' or 'herbal,'" she said. "Many contain

active ingredients that can be dangerous to certain individuals because of

their current health condition or because of medications they are taking. 

Any person considering using one of these products should consult a

physician first."



     Since Jan. 1, CPCS has been monitoring its calls about adverse

reactions associated with dietary supplements as part of a nationwide

multi-center trial. Haller is collaborating on the study with Kent Olson,

M.D., a CPCS medical toxicologist and UCSF professor of pharmacy, medicine

and pediatrics. 



     Many of these products are marked "thermogenic" and marketed with

claims of being able to alter one's metabolism, according to Haller. 

Product ingredients often include ma huang, a Chinese herbal product that

contains the drug ephedrine, and guarana, a plant seed that contains

caffeine. 



     "The combination of ephedrine and caffeine is known to cause

increased heart rate and blood pressure, as well as nervousness, insomnia,

nausea, and vomiting," said Haller.  "Adverse effects related to products

that contain ephedrine have included stroke, heart attack, seizures, and

even death." 



     Olson emphasized that consumers need to be aware that dietary

supplement products are considered neither food nor drugs from a legal

standpoint.  "Therefore, they are not regulated by the Food and Drug

Administration.  Manufacturers are solely responsible for product quality,

and toxicity may be related to product impurities, contaminants, or high

levels of active ingredients," he said. 



     CPCS is under the administration of the UCSF School of Pharmacy and

serves all 33 million California residents. 



     The CPCS toll-free hotline service has four sites across the state: 

Valley Children's Hospital in Fresno, UC Davis Medical Center in

Sacramento, UC San Diego Medical Center, and the UCSF-affiliated San

Francisco General Hospital. 

 

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14. Herb Business News

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Global Health Sciences: First Quarter Sales Up 20%

 

    NEW YORK, May 29, PRNewswire -- Global Health Sciences, Inc. reported

improved first quarter results with Net Sales of $46.8 million up 19.7%

from $39.1 million in the first quarter of 1997.  Operating income of

$11.4 million is a 11.7% improvement over the $1O.2 million in the first

quarter of 1997. 



    EBITDA for the quarter ended March 31, 1998 was $11.6 million, or

24.8% of sales compared to EBITDA of $10.5 million, or 26.9% of sales in

the first quarter of 1997.  The drop in margin is primarily attributable

to the pricing adjustment in the new Herbalife Supply Agreement, which

became effective in January, 1998. 



    Sales to Herbalife grew by $3.3 million (11.2%) from $29.4 million in

the first quarter of 1997 to $32.7 million in the first quarter of 1998. 

After adjusting for the effect of the pricing adjustment in the Herbalife

Supply Agreement, Company sales to Herbalife for the first quarter of 1998

increased 23.6%. 



    Sales to customers other than Herbalife grew by $4.4 million (45.4%) 

from $9.7 million in the first quarter of 1997 to $14.1 million in the

first quarter of 1998.  Sales to our second largest customer, EAS,

continue to grow with that company's strong performance.  Approximately 7%

of the sales growth came from new customers primarily as a result of the

focus and attention on expanding the customer base. 

 

    In April, the Company signed a lease on a 286,000 square foot facility

in Anaheim, CA.  The new space will allow the consolidation of the three

plants currently used in the manufacture of powders and will expand the

manufacturing space from 155,000 square feet currently available. 

Occupancy is planned for August 1998.  This will allow for continued

growth and improved efficiency. 



    Four new tablet presses were ordered in May 1998.  This will increase

our total tablet making capacity to 1.4 billion tablets per month, a 15%

increase over current capacity. 



    The Company believes the additional capacity will allow substantial

growth.

 

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La Jolla Diagnostics: Process Enhances Heat Stability of Feverfew Products

 

    LA JOLLA, Calif., May 28, PRNewswire -- La Jolla Diagnostics, Inc. 

(OTC Bulletin Board: LAJD), announced today that it has developed a

process that enhances the heat stability of its solutions which contain

the herb feverfew. 



    Feverfew is the common name for Tanacetum Parthenium, a flowering

plant related to the chrysanthemum, whose leaves have been used for

centuries in herbal remedies for the treatment of various conditions

including migraine headaches.  It is traditionally recommended that

feverfew be kept in a cool environment or refrigerated when stored for a

long period of time. 



    This new process should enhance the Company's ability to distribute

and market its feverfew products.  It may also have broad ramifications on

other products the Company is developing. 



    La Jolla Diagnostics is a company engaged in the development and

marketing of diagnostic tests and consumer health care products, and the

licensing of drug delivery systems. 

 

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Shaklee: `Living Library' of Plants From Around the World

 

     SAN FRANCISCO, May 28, BW HealthWire -- May 28, 1998--Shaklee Corp. 

will break ground today at 10:00 a.m. for its new corporate headquarters

in Pleasanton, Calif., at Hacienda Business Park. 



     The 28-acre site will provide a campus setting for a phased building

program with construction to start in June, 1998. The site is designed to

permit the ultimate consolidation of Shaklee's various San Francisco and

Hayward divisions. The new campus headquarters will reflect Shaklee's

business and corporate culture by utilizing the natural setting to include

open space, gardens, learning and fitness centers. 



     An estimated 400 Shaklee employees from the Bay area will attend the

ground breaking ceremony that will be followed by a tour of the Pleasanton

area and a buffet lunch at the Hilton Hotel. The ground breaking ceremony

will include remarks from Shigeo Morioka, chairman of the board of

Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd., Shaklee's parent company, and Charles

L. Orr, president and CEO of Shaklee Corp. 



     Additional participants include Earl F. Cheit, Ph.D., chairman of the

board of Shaklee Corp., James H. Whittam, Ph.D., president and CEO of the

Shaklee Companies, and the mayor of Pleasanton, Ben Tarver. 



     The first and second construction phases will include an

administration building and learning center to be followed by a research

and development laboratory, cafeteria and warehouse center totaling

approximately 235,000 square feet. Allowing for future growth, subsequent

phases will include an additional three office buildings, laboratory

expansion and fitness center. 



     According to Kay Childs, Shaklee's vice president of human resources,

the first 106,400 square foot office building should be completed within

eighteen months. Initially, an estimated 275 employees are expected to

occupy the first administration building in the fall of 1999. An

additional 150-175 employees will occupy the research and development

facility.



     One, two and three story buildings totaling 625,000 square feet are

included in all phases of the current master plan. Said Childs, "The

phasing of construction for the Hacienda Campus makes economic sense and

allows for future growth. The capacity exists for eventually tripling the

number of headquartered employees." 



     Nearly ten acres have been dedicated to an ecosystem native to the

Livermore Valley containing open space, informal meadows, forested areas

and landscaped courtyards. Special demonstration gardens will create a

`living library' of plants from around the world used to create herbal

products, including those used in creating Shaklee health care products.



     In line with Shaklee's commitment to the wise use of resources,

buildings on the site will be designed to maximize the use of sunlight and

will employ energy conservation measures. 



     Charles L. Orr, president and CEO of Shaklee Corp. said, "We are

eagerly anticipating the opportunity to bring together our San Francisco

and Hayward employee groups in an environment that will facilitate

learning and teamwork." 



     Shaklee Corp., founded in 1956, is a diversified consumer products

company with multilevel marketing, research and development technology

under the Shaklee name, and direct mail products sold through Bear Creek

Corp. Bear Creek Corp.  includes Harry and David, famous for its gourmet

fruits and foods, and Jackson & Perkins, the largest rose grower in the

world. 



     In 1989, Shaklee was purchased by Yamanouchi Pharmaceutical Co.,

Ltd., one of the largest and most profitable pharmaceutical companies in

Japan with worldwide operations. In partnership with Yamanouchi, Shaklee

operates the Yamanouchi Shaklee Pharma Research Center at the Stanford

Research Park in Palo Alto, Calif., and is currently building a second

manufacturing facility in Norman, Okla. 



----

Chai-Na-Ta: Receives Grant to Study Anti-oxidant Properties of Ginseng

 

    LANGLEY, British Columbia, May 27, Business Wire -- Chai-Na-Ta

Corp.--President & CEO Gerry Gill announced today that the company has

received a grant from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research

Council of Canada (NSERC) to further its research into the health benefits

and efficacy of its North American ginseng. 



    The research study, a collaborative project between industry and the

University of British Columbia (UBC), will extend the company's current

research into the 2nd phase of anti-oxidant properties of North American

ginseng.  The study will examine the functional and physiological effects

of North American ginseng, including Chai-Na-Ta's standardized extract,

CNT 2000, and the impact of certain commercial processing technologies on

product efficacy.  Chai-Na-Ta's goal is to demonstrate the positive health

benefits associated with CNT 2000.  Documented results will enable the

company to make functional claims for the product. 



    The UBC project will be funded 19 percent by industry and 81 percent

by NSERC over a three year period.  NSERC will contribute up to $215,000

to the study. 



    President Gerry Gill commented: "This level of support is very

encouraging -- we see it as a strong vote of confidence in our work." He

added, "Testing standardized product is an important step in realizing the

therapeutic potential of North American ginseng.  The results of the first

phase of the study on its anti-oxidant properties are very promising." 



    Anti-oxidants are compounds which combat free radical molecules in the

body.  Free radicals are generated by pollution, stress, ultraviolet

radiation and other factors and are known to cause the breakdown on

healthy cells which can lead to aging and initiate various degenerative

diseases including heart disease, cancer and diabetes.  Other research

projects currently underway have shown that the chemical properties of

North American ginseng have specific health-enhancing effects, including

the ability to inhibit the growth of cancer cells. 



    Chai-Na-Ta Corp. is the world's largest grower of North American

ginseng. The company distributes North American ginseng and other herbal

health products worldwide. 



----

Herbalife: Adds Nutritional, Personal Care Products

 

   LOS ANGELES, May, Dow Jones -- Herbalife International Inc. (HERBA) 

released eight nutritional products and eight additions to its

personal-care line.



  In a press release Tuesday, Herbalife said the products were launched in

the U.S. and are expected to be introduced to the majority of its markets

within 18 months.



  The nutritional products include Thermojetics Protein Bar, Ultimate

Ginkgo dietary supplement, Mega Ginseng dietary supplement, Extreme C and

Extreme C chewables, Ocular Defense Formula, Woman's Choice dietary

supplement and Ultimate Prostate Formula supplement. 



  The personal-care products include Made in the Shade tanning mist and

lotion, DinoKids shampoo, detangler, bubble bath and body lotion and Body

Mist and Fragrant Body Powder.



  Herbalife markets food supplements and personal-care products. 

 

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10. Herb Business News

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Rexall Sundown: Sales Increase 101% and Net Income Advances 103%



    BOCA RATON, Fla., June 17, PRNewswire -- Rexall Sundown, Inc. 

(Nasdaq:  RXSD) today announced record results for the three months ended

May 31, 1998. 



    Net sales for the third quarter rose 101% to $151.0 million from $75.0

million for the same period in fiscal 1997.  Pro forma net income of $19.4

million for the three months just ended increased $9.8 million or 103% compared

to last year's third quarter.  Diluted earnings per share for the third quarter

were $0.26 compared to $0.13 in the third quarter last year.



    In making the announcement, Chris Nast, the Company's Chief Executive

Officer, stated, "We are very proud to have achieved this dramatic level of

sales and net income growth.  Sales to retailers rose 156% compared to the same

period last year, and Rexall Showcase International, the Company's direct sales

division, continued its success, posting a strong sales gain of 45% compared to

the prior year's quarter.  More impressive is the fact that our third quarter

operating margin of 19.8% increased 1.7 points, compared to the third quarter of

fiscal 1997, despite the increase in our investment in advertising, research and

product development and manufacturing capacity."



    For the nine months ended May 31, 1998, net sales increased 87% to $377.2

million from $202.0 million in the previous year.  "The Company's year over year

sales growth continues to significantly outpace that of the overall industry and

reflects the leadership we are bringing throughout the entire category.  Our

products continue to be well received by consumers and our distribution

continues to expand," Mr. Nast said.



    The Sundown(R) Vitamin and Herbal product lines remain the number one

selling brands in the total U.S. food, drug and mass markets and the Company's

Osteo Bi-Flex(TM) product remains the third best-selling nutritional supplement

in the country.  The Company continues to expand its sales to existing retail

customers while adding new customers.  Also contributing to the Company's record

results was the Rexall Showcase International division which launched new

products such as the ProPortion(TM) Bar, expanded its Aestival(TM) personal care

product line and continued to increase its distributor base.



----

Rexall Sundown: Upbeat About Growth Opportunities Despite Walmart's Move



By Meera Somasundaram 



  MINNEAPOLIS, June 11, Dow Jones -- Recent word that Wal-Mart Stores Inc. 

(WMT) plans to expand its own private-label vitamin and herb business

isn't a competitive threat to Rexall-Sundown Inc. (RXSD), according to the

company's top executive. 



  After a presentation at the Piper Jaffray investor conference here, Rexall

Sundown Chief Executive Chris Nast told Dow Jones that Wal-Mart has always been

in the private-label business and that the retailer expands or contracts it

depending on its needs. 



  "We're very supportive of their business," Nast said. "We aren't concerned

about that." 



  Besides, Rexall vitamin supplements are the lowest priced among branded

vitamins in the industry, he said. 



  "Where would the major impact be?," Nast asked. "Would it be with us or would

it be with those people who are priced higher?" 



  About one-third of Rexall's sales have come in recent periods from sales of

its pills to Wal-Mart. About 46% of its products are distributed through food,

mass and drug retailers. 



  In The Wall Street Journal's "Heard on the Street" column in March, some

investors expressed concern about the expansion at Wal-Mart. The article also

said some on Wall Street are questioning whether vitamin stocks can stay pumped

up much longer. 



  But at the presentation here, Nast painted an upbeat growth picture for the

company. 



  He said sales and earnings are expected to grow 25% to 35% annually,

surpassing the industry growth. 



  "This is a very vibrant category," he said. "It's very strong and has been a

strong category like this for years. It's not a flash in the pan." 



  Nast also pointed to the recent news that Rexall has entered into an agreement

with Dollar General Corp. (DG) to sell Rexall's vitamins and herbal products at

all of Dollar General's 3,285 stores in the U.S. 



  Nast also said he's "very comfortable" with Piper Jaffray analyst Allan F.

Hickok's fiscal 1998 earnings estimate of 92 cents a share. The company posted

earnings of 53 cents a share in fiscal 1997, according to Hickok. 



----

PharmaPrint: Herbal Product Deliveries to Commence



     IRVINE, Calif., June 9, BUSINESS WIRE -- PharmaPrint Inc. 

(Nasdaq:PPRT) Tuesday announced fourth quarter and 1998 fiscal year-end

results. 



     PharmaPrint also announced the receipt of multiple purchase orders from

American Home Products Corp. (NYSE:AHP) for the company's herbal supplement

products that are expected to be launched by AHP under the Centrum brand name

this year. Accordingly, PharmaPrint expects to make significant product

deliveries during the coming weeks and record manufacturing revenue for the

deliveries.



     For the year ended March 31, 1998, the company reported a loss of

$14,320,000, or $1.26 per share, excluding non-cash stock compensation expense

charges of $3,795,000, or 33 cents per share. Including these charges, the

company's net loss was $18,115,000, or $1.59 per share.



     For the year ended March 31, 1997, the company reported a loss of

$5,899,000, or 60 cents per share, excluding non-cash stock compensation expense

charges of $5,333,000, or 55 cents per share. Including these charges, the

company's net loss was $11,233,000, or $1.15 per share. No revenues were

reported in either period.



     PharmaPrint's chairman and chief executive officer, Elliot P. Friedman,

said: "Our 1998 results reflect the significant investment we made in the

research and development of our DSHEA herbal supplements and our herbal

pharmaceutical products that require FDA approval.



     "This is a very exciting time for PharmaPrint as we near the

commercialization of the high-quality herbal supplements developed utilizing our

proprietary PharmaPrint Process. The upcoming product launch under AHP's Centrum

brand name will enable the company to participate in the growing $3.6 billion

U.S. herbal supplement market."



     Friedman added: "We are currently in Phase II studies for PPRT-321, a

saw-palmetto-derived pharmaceutical, and expect results later this year.

Developing a herbal pharmaceutical remains a high priority for the company and

represents a significant opportunity to influence the medical community's

outlook on herbal medicines when provided in a FDA regulated and approved

pharmaceutical form.



     "We believe that proven efficacy and dosage parameters coupled with a

herbal's safety profile will drive physician acceptance and market penetration."



     PharmaPrint is applying its proprietary development and manufacturing

process technologies to develop high-quality dietary supplement products and

pharmaceuticals from natural plant extracts.



     The company's technology enables it to identify and quantify the bioactive

molecules within plant sources that are believed to provide therapeutic benefits

and to produce dietary supplements and pharmaceuticals having consistent

batch-to-batch quantities of these bioactives.



     PharmaPrint is currently developing a line of dietary supplement products

to be marketed by American Home Products. Additionally, the company is in Phase

II clinical trials for one of its pharmaceutical candidates PPRT-321, a

pharmaceutical product derived from saw palmetto, intended to be used to treat

the symptoms associated with benign prostatic hyperplasia.



----

Alta Natural Herbs: Distributes Hepatitis Remedy Free to Sufferers



   VANCOUVER, June 8, Canadian Corp News -- Alta Natural Herbs and

Supplements Ltd. wishes to announce that its herbal remedy, HEPATICO, is

now being distributed without charge, to approximately 100 hepatitis

sufferers in Canada and the USA to demonstrate its effectiveness in

fighting hepatitis and cirrhosis of the liver. 



   The Corporation is grateful to the HepC Bulletin, the newsletter

linking Hepatitis C sufferers across Canada, for publishing an article on

the Corporation's offer in its June Newsletter.  The positive response

from the HepC Bulletin's subscribers has allowed the Corporation to move

quickly and launch its demonstration program immediately. 



   The Corporation is offering HEPATICO to individual sufferers providing

they each inform their personal doctor and seek their doctor's opinion,

and support, in arriving at a decision to use HEPATICO.  All registered

participants to date have reported that their doctor is going to monitor

their health profiles, and provide feedback to their patient, and the

Corporation's Medical Directors, on changes in the hepatitis condition

over the period they are consuming the herbal remedy. 



   HEPATICO, a herbal dietary supplement, has been shown to aid

immuno-rehabilitation, healing and the restoration of normal liver

function in persons suffering from viral and toxic hepatitis, and

cirrhosis of the liver in Eastern Europe.  The Corporation is very

confident that it will soon duplicate HEPATICO'S positive benefit in North

America and provide a new relief for hepatitis and cirrhosis sufferers. 



----

Pharmaton: Applauds Decision on Limits to Dietary Supplement Advertising



    RIDGEFIELD, Conn., June 5, PRNewswire -- Pharmaton Natural Health

Products applauds the NAD's decision as a landmark in applying good

advertising principles to the rapidly growing and changing Dietary

Supplement Industry.  The first principle affirmed today is that all

herbal extracts of a given species are not necessarily alike, and may not

have the same effects. A manufacturer cannot "borrow" the clinical

research of a different extract to support advertising claims for its

brand.  In this case, they have ruled that the extensive clinical work

behind our GINKOBA Egb 761 extract cannot be cited as proof of efficacy

for the extract in the Pharmanex BioGinkgo brand. 



    Secondly, the NAD has ruled that the presence of more compound in the

bloodstream does not prove that the product works better in any way -- or

even works as well as the compounds compared.  Pharmanex used blood level

data in rabbits to support a claim of superior efficacy in humans and NAD

has asked them to discontinue this claim in advertising. 



    Pharmaton Natural Health Products and other companies have invested

heavily in research to prove activity and safety of their products in

humans and "we are pleased that this NAD decision has helped protect the

proprietary nature of that research" the company stated.



----

Pharmaceutical Laboratories: Sales Increases 200 Percent



     ARLINGTON, Texas, June 18, BUSINESS WIRE -- Pharmaceutical

Laboratories Inc. (OTCBB:PHLB) is a Texas-based company with offices in

Arlington, Corpus Christi and Harlingen, Texas, which specializes in the

development, manufacturing and marketing of liquid and liquid sublingual

vitamins, minerals, herbal and aloe vera products.



     The Company markets its products under its own "Liquid Solutions" brand

name. These can be found in major chain drug stores, independent pharmacies and

health food stores on a national basis. Many products are also marketed through

private label and mail order.



     Pharmaceutical Laboratories Inc. announces record growth in sales and

profit.  Monthly sales increased from $175,000 in January to $632,000.

Year-to-date sales are $1.8 million and profit is running at 11% of sales.



     "We are pleased with the Company's sales and profit to date," stated

President and CEO Jerry McClure, "especially considering that the Company spent

the end of 1997 and the beginning of 1998 gearing up the 'Liquid Solutions'

product line for shipments that seriously began in February. This of course

lessened the profit for the month of January, but has paved the way for

continued growth and profit."



     McClure additionally stated that he expects sales and earnings to improve

in the third and fourth quarters of 1998 due to the addition of 15 new sales and

service representatives who will be concentrating on new markets.



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From cat@luckymojo.com Sat Jun 20 22:06:28 1998

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From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs,alt.lucky.w

Subject: Re: Vuka Vuka

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:06:28 -0800

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rpr reese <REESE604@webtv.net> wrote:

> 

> Where can I get this?  Is it a herb, root or what.

> 

> Thank you



Vuka Vuka is unfamiliar to me under that name. 



Khus Khus and Kava Kava and Ylang Ylang and Kinnik Kinnik i know...but

not Vuka Vuka. 



Where did you hear about it? What language is the name? 



(posted to alt.folklore.herbs and alt.lucky.w in the hope that another

person may have an answer.) 



catherine yronwode



Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html  

Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

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Yucca Yucca comes to mind!  LOL



Fidget





catherine yronwode wrote:

> 

> rpr reese <REESE604@webtv.net> wrote:

> >

> > Where can I get this?  Is it a herb, root or what.

> >

> > Thank you

> 

> Vuka Vuka is unfamiliar to me under that name.

> 

> Khus Khus and Kava Kava and Ylang Ylang and Kinnik Kinnik i know...but

> not Vuka Vuka.

> 

> Where did you hear about it? What language is the name?

> 

> (posted to alt.folklore.herbs and alt.lucky.w in the hope that another

> person may have an answer.)

> 

> catherine yronwode

> 

> Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

> The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyw.html

> Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

> The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html



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From: C Martin <rich_and_cathi@seasalter0.demon.co.uk>

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Peppermint cordial - any recipes out there?

Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:31:58 +0100

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I have vast quantities of black peppermint in my garden, and am loathe

to just root it up without finding some good use for it.  Ideally, I'd

like to make a non-alcoholic peppermint cordial - non-alcoholic as I'd

like to take it to drink at work in the hot weather.  However, despite

doing an Internet search, and posting to a couple of newsgroups

concerned with food and drink, I've had no luck.  Can anyone here help?

-- 

C Martin



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Subject: Re: Peppermint cordial - any recipes out there?

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C Martin <rich_and_cathi@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>I have vast quantities of black peppermint in my garden, 

  First - which of the mint family are we talking about?  some

"minty" smelling plants, such as pennyroyal, are toxic.



>to just root it up without finding some good use for it.  Ideally, I'd

>like to make a non-alcoholic peppermint cordial 

  cordials use the alchhol to preserve them.  You could make

peppermint tea.



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From: C Martin <rich_and_cathi@seasalter0.demon.co.uk>

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Subject: Re: Peppermint cordial - any recipes out there?

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In article <358cf6ab.537073@news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

<abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

> 

>  First - which of the mint family are we talking about?  some

>"minty" smelling plants, such as pennyroyal, are toxic.



Definitely non-toxic, not pennyroyal.  And increasing by the minute!

>

>  cordials use the alchhol to preserve them.  



I think dictionary definitions of "cordial" may differ on either side of

the Atlantic.  Certainly my UK dictionary defines a cordial as a "fruit

flavoured drink", making no mention of alcohol.  Also, in a home brewing

book I possess, there is a recipe for elderflower cordial, containing

elderflowers, a sliced lemon, sliced oranges, sugar, tartaric acid, and

water.  So far, it tastes pretty good.



So if my mention of "cordials" has misled anyone - I do apologise!  What

I'm after, basically, is a concentrated peppermint flavoured drink, to

be diluted with soda water or lemonade or something similar, to help me

keep my cool.  "Lendee" has kindly mailed me with a suggestion, so I'll

try that.  But if anyone else has any ideas - or wants the recipe for

elderflower cordial, which is a doddle to make - please let me know!

-- 

C Martin



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C Martin wrote:

> 

> So if my mention of "cordials" has misled anyone - I do apologise!  What

> I'm after, basically, is a concentrated peppermint flavoured drink, to

> be diluted with soda water or lemonade or something similar, to help me

> keep my cool.  



Consider the following recipe. It's minty, and meant to be added, a

few spoonfuls at a time, to a glass of cold water. This is from a

collection of historical recipes:

Sekanjabin



Dissolve 4 cups sugar in 2 1/2 cups of water; when it comes to a boil

add 1 cup wine vinegar. Simmer 1/2 hour. Add a handful of

mint, remove from fire, let cool. Dilute the resulting syrup to taste

with ice water (5 to 10 parts water to 1 part syrup). The syrup

stores without refrigeration.



Note: This is the only recipe in the Miscelleny that is based on a

modern source: A Book of Middle Eastern Food, by Claudia Roden.

Sekanjabin is a period drink; it is mentioned in the Fihrist of

al-Nadim, which was written in the tenth century. The only period

recipe I have found for it (in the Andalusian cookbook) is called

"Sekanjabin Simple" and omits the mint. It is one of a large

variety of similar drinks described in that cookbook-flavored syrups

intended to be diluted in either hot or cold water before

drinking.



Syrup of Simple Sikanjabn



(Oxymel)



Andalusian p. A-74



Take a ratl of strong vinegar and mix it with two ratls of sugar, and

cook all this until it takes the form of a syrup. Drink an qiya of

this with three of hot water when fasting: it is beneficial for fevers

of jaundice, and calms jaundice and cuts the thirst, since

sikanjabn syrup is beneficial in phlegmatic fevers: make it with six

qiyas of sour vinegar for a ratl of honey and it is admirable.



This seems to be at least two different recipes, for two different

medical uses. The first, at least, is intended to be drunk hot. In

modern Iranian restaurants, sekanjabin is normally served cold, often

with grated cucumber.



(from http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/recipe_toc.html)



-georg

non ani sunt permittendi



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From: Dana Watsham <dwh@get2net.dk>

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Use your recipe for elderflower cordial, basically. Like this:



1 litre mint leaves & flowers (mentha spicata crispa), 1 litre boiling

water, 1 kilo sugar, 1 lemon.

Combine all in large jar - cover - steep for 3 days - strain, bottle, and

drink as desired.



Enjoy!



Dana



C Martin skrev:



> In article <358cf6ab.537073@news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

> <abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

> >

> >  First - which of the mint family are we talking about?  some

> >"minty" smelling plants, such as pennyroyal, are toxic.

>

> Definitely non-toxic, not pennyroyal.  And increasing by the minute!

> >

> >  cordials use the alchhol to preserve them.

>

> I think dictionary definitions of "cordial" may differ on either side of

> the Atlantic.  Certainly my UK dictionary defines a cordial as a "fruit

> flavoured drink", making no mention of alcohol.  Also, in a home brewing

> book I possess, there is a recipe for elderflower cordial, containing

> elderflowers, a sliced lemon, sliced oranges, sugar, tartaric acid, and

> water.  So far, it tastes pretty good.

>

> So if my mention of "cordials" has misled anyone - I do apologise!  What

> I'm after, basically, is a concentrated peppermint flavoured drink, to

> be diluted with soda water or lemonade or something similar, to help me

> keep my cool.  "Lendee" has kindly mailed me with a suggestion, so I'll

> try that.  But if anyone else has any ideas - or wants the recipe for

> elderflower cordial, which is a doddle to make - please let me know!

> --

> C Martin







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From: jude@bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

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abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



>C Martin <rich_and_cathi@seasalter0.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>

>>I have vast quantities of black peppermint in my garden, 

>  First - which of the mint family are we talking about?  some

>"minty" smelling plants, such as pennyroyal, are toxic.



Fresh Pennyroyal is not toxic.  It is, however, a powerful uterine

contractor, hence useful for easing menstrual cramps and encouraging

menstrual flow.  Pennyroyal gets a bad rap because some idiots tried

to self-abort by using Pennyroyal oil.  Pennyroyal oil (like many

other essential oils), is poisonous when taken internally.  Fresh or

dried Pennyroyal leaves are not.



Judith



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Subject: Re: Peppermint cordial - any recipes out there?

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jude@bennett.com (Judith Scothern) wrote:



>Fresh Pennyroyal is not toxic.  It is, however, a powerful uterine

>contractor, hence useful for easing menstrual cramps and encouraging

>menstrual flow.  Pennyroyal gets a bad rap because some idiots tried

>to self-abort by using Pennyroyal oil.  Pennyroyal oil (like many

>other essential oils), is poisonous when taken internally.  Fresh or

>dried Pennyroyal leaves are not.



Judith - 

  Depends on the quantity of fresh/dried leaves you consume, (or

the strength of the tea). There are recorded infant deaths cause

when their parents mistook pennyroyal for ordinary mint, and gave

them "mint" tea for colic.  It would take a bit longer, and more

tea, to kill an adult, but it's quite possible.

  References available in DejaNews.



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...maybe an iced peppermint tea made with peppermint, some fresh lime and

maybe some fresh ginger too...sugar or honey to sweeten.



C Martin wrote in message <$v3YiJA+wBj1Ewg1@seasalter0.demon.co.uk>...

>I have vast quantities of black peppermint in my garden, and am loathe

>to just root it up without finding some good use for it.  Ideally, I'd

>like to make a non-alcoholic peppermint cordial - non-alcoholic as I'd

>like to take it to drink at work in the hot weather.  However, despite

>doing an Internet search, and posting to a couple of newsgroups

>concerned with food and drink, I've had no luck.  Can anyone here help?

>--

>C Martin







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I like to research on how long a herb stays in the boby before

it is metabolized by the liver. To be specific, I am looking for

info related to half-lives of chemical that exists in the herbs.



Where can I look for that info? Anyone?



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unixon <unixon_31@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I like to research on how long a herb stays in the boby before

>it is metabolized by the liver. 

  Which herb?



>To be specific, I am looking for

>info related to half-lives of chemical that exists in the herbs.

  Which chemical?





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From: Martin Akehurst <martin@akeh.demon.co.uk>

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In article <358df70a.632658@news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

<abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

>unixon <unixon_31@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

>>I like to research on how long a herb stays in the boby before

>>it is metabolized by the liver. 

>  Which herb?

>

>>To be specific, I am looking for

>>info related to half-lives of chemical that exists in the herbs.

>  Which chemical?

>

Which body? ;-)

Mart 



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Martin Akehurst wrote in message ...

>In article <358df70a.632658@news.primenet.com>, Tsu Dho Nimh

><abacaxi@hotmail.com> writes

>>unixon <unixon_31@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>I like to research on how long a herb stays in the boby before

>>>it is metabolized by the liver.

>>  Which herb?

>>

>>>To be specific, I am looking for

>>>info related to half-lives of chemical that exists in the herbs.

>>  Which chemical?

>>

>Which body? ;-)

>Mart



LOL! Absolutely right!



This is a HUGE subject, one that IMO far to little research has been done

on, but it is certainly reasonable to believe that herbs (and the many

chemicals they contain) would follow the same pattern as other ingested

materials - which is to say, there is a strong individual influence

involved, along with of course the chemical properties of the compounds in

question.  EG: some of the simpler water-soluble compounds may clear the

kidneys (or be metabolized) in a matter of hours.  Cannabis compounds, on

which at least some research has been done, may be found virtually intact in

the body for days or even weeks after ingestion.  Factors such as the health

of the liver and kidneys, the amounts of water consumed, the basal metabolic

rate (as well as the amount of vigorous exercise a person does), can all

play a role in clearance of a compound.



-Rich









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Saponin from soy or black cocosh



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From: Eliza Anne <eliza@talon.net>

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Subject: Teas

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Does anyone have any tea mixe recipes that I could mix up? I'm always

searching for new recipes.

Thanks,

eliza

eliza@talon.net





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I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.



Thank you





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Elizabeth wrote:

> 

> I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

> sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

> aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

> 

> Thank you



Boil a small amount of water.  Add boric acid in the amount of 

2% to 5% by weight of the final product.  The boric acid will 

not dissolve at room temperature.  Add mint apple jelly [or 

apple jelly and mint extract] until the mixture returns to the

consistency of jelly.  Apply with a craft syringe near the ants' 

entry points.  Or you can get [maybe only through an exterminator] 

a product named Drax, which is this boric acid solution in both

jelly and peanut butter flavors, and which comes in a syringe.



Your county agricultural exension agent should have an info 

sheet with the exact quantities of each ingredient.  Mine has

yet to emerge from the moving welter....



Also, disrupt their scent trails by wiping them down with vinegar.

I am reliably told that various spices [cinnamon, black pepper] 

will also scatter Pharaoh ants.



-Kyra



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Just in case any of these things work??



Tansy

Sage

Wipe counters with a half-and-half mixture of vinegar and water...Pour

this on anthills?  (Boiling water works, but cools down a bit as you go

outside)

Soapy water or water with dish detergent.  This can be sprayed where you

see the ants

Some people say ants won't cross a line of chalk.  Who knows?



Hope some of this is helpful.  Good luck!



Beth







In article <358C5AE3.30E5@flash.net>, Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net> wrote:



> Elizabeth wrote:

> > 

> > I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

> > sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

> > aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

> > 

> > Thank you

> 

> Boil a small amount of water.  Add boric acid in the amount of 

> 2% to 5% by weight of the final product.  The boric acid will 

> not dissolve at room temperature.  Add mint apple jelly [or 

> apple jelly and mint extract] until the mixture returns to the

> consistency of jelly.  Apply with a craft syringe near the ants' 

> entry points.  Or you can get [maybe only through an exterminator] 

> a product named Drax, which is this boric acid solution in both

> jelly and peanut butter flavors, and which comes in a syringe.

> 

> Your county agricultural exension agent should have an info 

> sheet with the exact quantities of each ingredient.  Mine has

> yet to emerge from the moving welter....

> 

> Also, disrupt their scent trails by wiping them down with vinegar.

> I am reliably told that various spices [cinnamon, black pepper] 

> will also scatter Pharaoh ants.

> 

> -Kyra



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Beth Gottschalk wrote:

> 

> Just in case any of these things work??

> 

> Tansy

> Sage

> Wipe counters with a half-and-half mixture of vinegar and water...

> Pour this on anthills?  (Boiling water works, but cools down a bit 

> as you go outside)

> Soapy water or water with dish detergent.  This can be sprayed where 

> you see the ants

> Some people say ants won't cross a line of chalk.  Who knows?

> 

> Hope some of this is helpful.  Good luck!



Various herbs/spices may or may not work on Pharaoh/sugar ants.

And something that worked today may not work tomorrow.  Experiment.

Problem with ants is to identify the species, because even in the

pest control field no chemical will work for every ant.

IMPORTANT:  DO NOT SPRAY CHEMICALS FOR SUGAR ANTS.  They will act

like yeast and 'bud' off more colonies....

The boiling soapy water trick is for fire ants, or 'pavement' 

species where you can actually see where the nest is.  Pharaoh

ants, you will probably never see the nest site.  =(



-Kyra



From JMueller@mwt.net Sun Jun 21 18:04:42 1998

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Won't boric acid hurt both kids and pets?  I know that I used to use boric

acid tablets for keep various pests under control when I lived in San Diego.

The cat got a hold of one and that was all she wrote.   I haven't used boric

acid anywhere a pet or kid could get a hold of it since.



Could it be that the tablets I bought were a much higher concentration that

what you're suggesting here?  IAE, I'd be very cautious with the stuff since

it can cause problems.



I've never heard of using vinegar to wipe out the pheromone trails before.

I'm going to give that a try since we do have ant problems from

time-to-time.



John Mueller



Lady Necessity wrote in message <358C5AE3.30E5@flash.net>...

>Elizabeth wrote:

>>

>> I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

>> sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

>> aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

>>

>> Thank you

>

>Boil a small amount of water.  Add boric acid in the amount of

>2% to 5% by weight of the final product.

>

<snip>

>

>Also, disrupt their scent trails by wiping them down with vinegar.

>I am reliably told that various spices [cinnamon, black pepper]

>will also scatter Pharaoh ants.

>

>-Kyra







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"John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote:



>Won't boric acid hurt both kids and pets?

  If they eat it, yes.  However, I dust it thoroughly into places

that roaches hide out (under cabinets, in plumbing runs, etc.) or

place the baits in pet-proof containers.



>Could it be that the tablets I bought were a much higher concentration that

>what you're suggesting here?

  NO - it's that the cat ate the tablet.  The powder I use is 99%

boric acid and 1% blue pigment and anti-caking ingredient.



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I have a problem with carpenter ants in my home.  I did some net research

and according to at least two University entomologists , if you disturb the

ant trails, they will find new routes-perhaps less visible ones.  The

secret is to wipe out the nest and therefore the reproducing queen.  The

sites list bunches of chemicals as weapons against ants.  I'll try boric

acid as I don't have pets or kids.  I have heard that cucumber peels

discourage ants.

J



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In article <6mj7o8$23k$1@news2.alpha.net>,

  "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote:

>

> Won't boric acid hurt both kids and pets?  I know that I used to use boric

> acid tablets for keep various pests under control when I lived in San Diego.

> The cat got a hold of one and that was all she wrote.   I haven't used boric

> acid anywhere a pet or kid could get a hold of it since.

>

> Could it be that the tablets I bought were a much higher concentration that

> what you're suggesting here?  IAE, I'd be very cautious with the stuff since

> it can cause problems.

>

> I've never heard of using vinegar to wipe out the pheromone trails before.

> I'm going to give that a try since we do have ant problems from

> time-to-time.

>

> John Mueller

>

> Lady Necessity wrote in message <358C5AE3.30E5@flash.net>...

> >Elizabeth wrote:

> >>

> >> I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

> >> sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

> >> aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

> >>

> >> Thank you

> >

> >Boil a small amount of water.  Add boric acid in the amount of

> >2% to 5% by weight of the final product.

> >

> <snip>

> >

> >Also, disrupt their scent trails by wiping them down with vinegar.

> >I am reliably told that various spices [cinnamon, black pepper]

> >will also scatter Pharaoh ants.

> >

> >-Kyra

>





Any recipe containing boric acid must be kept out of reach of children

and pets.



-Rosemarie





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From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

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John Mueller wrote:

> 

> Won't boric acid hurt both kids and pets?  I know that I used to 

> use boric acid tablets for keep various pests under control when 

> I lived in San Diego. The cat got a hold of one and that was all 

> she wrote.   I haven't used boric acid anywhere a pet or kid could 

> get a hold of it since.

> 

> Could it be that the tablets I bought were a much higher 

> concentration that what you're suggesting here?  IAE, I'd be very 

> cautious with the stuff since it can cause problems.



I discuss this in more detail in the "Natural Pest Control" thread....



The dose determines the poison, and dose is a function of body weight.

Yes, the tablets are a much higher concentration - 90+% as vs 5% max.

As 'pesticides' go, boric acid is about as low a toxicity as you will

find.  Just do keep it out of reach.



-Kyra



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Lady Necessity wrote in message <358C5AE3.30E5@flash.net>...

>Elizabeth wrote:

>>

>> I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

>> sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

>> aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

>>

>> Thank you

>

>Boil a small amount of water.  Add boric acid in the amount of

>2% to 5% by weight of the final product.  The boric acid will

>not dissolve at room temperature.  Add mint apple jelly [or

>apple jelly and mint extract] until the mixture returns to the

>consistency of jelly.  Apply with a craft syringe near the ants'

>entry points.  Or you can get [maybe only through an exterminator]

>a product named Drax, which is this boric acid solution in both

>jelly and peanut butter flavors, and which comes in a syringe.





I agree.  The use of this and other similar baits is the best solution

especially if you want to avoid spraying poisons.  There was a bait that was

(and may still be) sold commercially that was basically a mixture of arsenic

and sugar water - dangerous if consumed, but you could place a poison bait

out of reach of children and pets where the ants could still find it, and

once the ants are gone the cleanup is easy.  Arsenic occurs naturally in

soils, plants and animals, including those we eat (some nutritionists even

believe minute amounts in the diet are beneficial) so provided the bait is

well diluted I would not be too concerned about responsible disposal.  Boric

acid is much less toxic (boron is a required micronutrient for plant growth)

and would probably work as well.



-Rich











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While tending my mother in law's garden I noticed some ants (the tiny red

biting ones) had made their home right in my picking/weeding area.  I'd heard

somewhere that rice helps-I took some raw rice and sprinkled it liberally near

their hole and on their path.

Next day I went back and the rice was gone-and there was a small pile of -? ant

parts. The problem got much smaller.

How this would work with different kinds of ants I don't know...but I've had

success with it, nevertheless.





Elizabeth said::>I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of

small

sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

kathy

http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

time...when I have offline time...



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Elizabeth wrote:

> 

> I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

> sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

> aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

> 

> Thank you



Small dishes with fresh bay leaves in them, spread around the area, have

been effective in controlling ants in our home.  You must be patient, as

it takes a few days, and should probably be done after cleaning the area

with your choice of potion.

	Mike Acord



From vandy@avana.net Mon Jun 22 04:36:04 1998

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On Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:13:41 GMT, Elizabeth <lizp@sky.net> wrote:



>I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

>sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

>aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.



In areas where children or pets are present use grits, baking flour,

rice, etc. any food type product that will swell when wet.  The ants

carry this back to the nest, rain comes, product swells, air passages

are plugged, nest suffocates, and you now have a soft spot in the

yard.



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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Well I dusted the counter top in a volatile concoction of every hot spice I

could find in the kitchen and it seems to be working. The number of ants has

decreased notably and the cats have steered clear due to the scent around the

area. I still haven't found where the buggers were coming in yet. Put it

seems to be near the sink. So I plan on recaulking the area this week to

close off any entry they found.

Thank you everyone for your tip and ideas. I appreciated it greatly :)



~Liz



>









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Hi,



I had a problem with the big black ants coming on my porch so I took

mothballs and put them around the porch and I no longer have  the ants. 

Maybe they don't like the smell.  I also have a dog, and she didn't like

the smell of them so she didn't bother with them.  I also had cats

camping out on my porch and the mothballs kept them away.



Jodi Bredel







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I discovered some years ago that they hate to walk through scouring

powder(comet or dutch cleanser) so I would dust some across their

customary paths and in the holes they enter the house. willgee



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>

>I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

>sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

>aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

>

>



Dissolve 2 garlic tablets in 16 oz of water

Put into a pump sprayer and have at'm.





From elon@jps.net Wed Jun 24 09:10:41 1998

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Try a mixture of dry yeast, powdered sugar, and borax.  The ants will eat it

and carry it back to their nest.  The sugar and yeast ferment.  The borax

caused "soap bubble".  Ants can't burp so they die.  The mixture is

reasonably non-toxic, but the containers [such as a tupperware container

with a small hole cut in it] should still be placed where kids and pets are

unlikely to get into it.



Elon

Elizabeth wrote in message <358C516D.28CA77E@sky.net>...

>I am in desperate need of help here. We have an infestation of small

>sugar ants and I prefer to use something safe so my animals and kids

>aren't harmed. Please anyone...ideas are needed and I will try them all.

>

>Thank you

>







From valerian@home.com Sun Jun 21 10:11:22 1998

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While herbs such as valerian, kava kava, and others are well known for

relaxation, i'd like to suggest another. Calamus root. I've used

homemade tinctures of it and found it promotes relaxation, and found no

trouble sleeping after even a reasonably large dose.



Has anyone else tried it?



-Val



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Never have, where does it grow?



Belinda



From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Tue Jun 23 20:11:12 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Be aware that Calamus root contains saffrole, a known carcinogen.  (There is

supposedly a strain of Calamus that does *not* contain saffrole, but unless

you grow it yourself I don't know how you could tell it was safe short of a

complete chemical analysis).  Not to say it shouldn't ever be used, but

probably not for steady consumption.  The Chinese consider Calamus a "spirit

reviver", usually given only for states of shock, near unconsciousness,

etc. - not for casual use, to be sure, IMO.  There are other cultures

(India, native North America) that treat the root much more casually.  It

may be that the areas where Calamus is more commonly used are areas where

the naturally saffrole-free strains occur, but there's no evidence I know of

to that effect.



-Rich



Valerian wrote in message <358CB2EE.57AF7484@home.com>...

>While herbs such as valerian, kava kava, and others are well known for

>relaxation, i'd like to suggest another. Calamus root. I've used

>homemade tinctures of it and found it promotes relaxation, and found no

>trouble sleeping after even a reasonably large dose.

>

>Has anyone else tried it?

>

>-Val







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On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:11:12 -0400, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Be aware that Calamus root contains saffrole, a known carcinogen.  (There is

>supposedly a strain of Calamus that does *not* contain saffrole, but unless



It's not saffrole, it's beta-asarone. As Todd said, this particular compound is

not found in the North American strain, so find yourself an olde stand of the

plant and grow that in your pond.



Henriette



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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From genjksn@yahoo.com Sun Jun 21 10:22:17 1998

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I've been plagued nearly all my life by anticipatory nervous nausea. 

This happens before public speaking, social events, big days at work,

whatever, and many times I end up in the bathroom numerous times

vomiting.  I dont wish to try the heavy duty tranquilizers until I've

tried some herbal remedies.  What do you think would help me?



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sun Jun 21 15:10:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Shem the Penman <genjksn@yahoo.com> wrote:



>I've been plagued nearly all my life by anticipatory nervous nausea. 

>This happens before public speaking, social events, big days at work,

>whatever, and many times I end up in the bathroom numerous times

>vomiting.  I dont wish to try the heavy duty tranquilizers until I've

>tried some herbal remedies.  What do you think would help me?





Valerian, linden, kava-kava all have calming properties.  Try

them BEFORE you have the big day to see how you tolerate them.

I'm sensitive to linden and tend to doze off with doses others

find "calming".





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Motherwort tincture has been known to help menopausal women with anxiety

(usually un-named fears) you might try it.



Belinda



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From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

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LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> Motherwort tincture has been known to help menopausal women with anxiety

> (usually un-named fears) you might try it.

> 

> Belinda





I don't remember the writer saying she was menopausal age.  Why would

you suggest that particular herb without knowing what age she is...or

did you assume that because she said "all my life"?   Just curious.



Fidget



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I've been told that it is a calmative for folks of all ages but know from

experience that it helps in menopause. I don't know her age and thought it

might be helpful. Many women begin menopausal symptoms in their 30s.



From eliza@talon.net Sun Jun 21 10:27:59 1998

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I haven't used calumus root, but I do sometimes drink catnip tea before

bed. That is, if I can get to it before my cats. -eliza





From ashleigh@eatel.net Sun Jun 21 23:11:24 1998

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Hi Herblist,

My sinuses went bad with sneezing attacts.  And I was hoping that someone

could recommend something natural to fix this problem.

I am hoping for something published.

Best reguards,



Net-Tamer V 1.10.1  - Test Drive



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ashleigh@eatel.net wrote:

> 

> Hi Herblist,

> My sinuses went bad with sneezing attacts.  And I was hoping that someone

> could recommend something natural to fix this problem.

> I am hoping for something published.

> Best reguards,

> 

> Net-Tamer V 1.10.1  - Test Drive





What exactly is the problem when you say your sinuses went bad?



Fidget



From deedub@bigpond.com Mon Jun 22 01:19:36 1998

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This man typically has rapid peristalsis - go to whoa usually 12 hours.

Recently he is alarmed to find undigested food (spinach actually)  passing

through in just 6 hours. Naturally he is concerned that he is not absorbing

his nutrients.



What is the physiology here? What herbs are indicated?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

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On Mon, 22 Jun 1998 David Wilson In article <358d872c.0@139.1

34.5.33>, David Wilson <deedub@bigpond.com> writes

>This man typically has rapid peristalsis - go to whoa usually 12 hours.

>Recently he is alarmed to find undigested food (spinach actually)  

>passing

>through in just 6 hours. Naturally he is concerned that he is not absorbing

>his nutrients.

>

>What is the physiology here? What herbs are indicated?



dunno what herbs are indicated - have you tried any constipating

agents? eliminating dairy/wheat products? Have you ensured he

hasn't got Crohn's disease? Is he in pain? Is it accompanied by

gas? Does he have diahorrea?



To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



From genelab@pc.jaring.my Mon Jun 22 03:15:08 1998

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From: "zamrud zainal" <genelab@pc.jaring.my>

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anyone have any idea about lingzhi or reishi... please let me know some of

it's information espeacially in biochemical point of view







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Zamrud,



	Well, first off, you can grow your own Rieshi (aka Ling Zhi, or

the scientific name Ganoderma lucidum) with an innoculated spore kit from

Richters (http://www.richters.com)



	Your best source of information on the internet for specifically

what an herb does from western POV is Medline.  A very good public domain

medline search engine is the one run by the fine folks at the National

Center for Biotechnology Information at:



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Entrez/medline.html



	enter in "ganoderma"; although not all were for ganoderma lucidum,

I got 110 articles back.





	From the articles I checked out, it seems to have immunomodulating

(good for the immune system) and anti-tumor properties.



	

	...Rodney





zamrud zainal (genelab@pc.jaring.my) wrote:

: anyone have any idea about lingzhi or reishi... please let me know some of

: it's information espeacially in biochemical point of view







From mycowrld@cdsnet.net Mon Jun 22 18:42:47 1998

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From: mycowrld <mycowrld@cdsnet.net>

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zamrud,



There is a summary of information located  at:

http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/reishi.html



For other links to information about medicinal mushrooms, see our

archives page at:

http://www.mushroomcompany.com/archives.html



There are a couple of books available on the subject. For more

information or to order them, click on the following links:



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0962563811/themushroomgrowe

Reishi: Ancient Herb for Modern Times by Kenneth Jones ($7.80)



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0962563803/themushroomgrowe

Reishi Mushroom: Herb of Spiritual Potency and Medical Wonder by Terry

Willard ($14.95)



-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

Mailto:MycoWrld@internetcds.com

http://www.mushroomcompany.com

--                       



zamrud zainal wrote:

> 

> anyone have any idea about lingzhi or reishi... please let me know some of

> it's information espeacially in biochemical point of view



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Hi there.....

I am very interested in pursuing a career in herbalism, and currently I

am getting information on all the available education programs out

there, and  I will probably being doing this through correspondence

courses.

If anyone has any information on the better or could possible recommend

a school?

I just am overwhelmed by the selections out there.

Secondly I have not been able to find much information on the possible

career opportunities out there if one is to become a "licensed

herbalist"

and this makes we wonder if I should put in the 2yrs of study and the

costs or just go for one of the short educate yourself for the pleasure

of knowledge.

Any information, advice or input I would greatly appreciate.

thank you for your time,



Betka Yates





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Recently finished a 6 week live-in apprenticeship with Susun Weed. She also

offers correspondence courses which are not in any way connected with a school

but will teach you about weeds. The address is:

 

 Wise Woman Center

 PO Box 64

 Woodstock, NY 12498



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Calamus is also known as Sweet Flag, here's a bit of info on it, from:



The Herb Book - by John Lust N.D., D.B.M. - ISBN: 0-553-26770-1 (c) 1974

by Benedict Lust Publications 



-----

Sweet Flag



(Acorus calamus)



Common Names: Calamus, grass myrtle, myrtle flag, sweet grass, sweet

myrtle, sweet rush.



Medicinal Part: Rootstock



Description: Sweet flag is a perennial plant that grows more or less

abundantly throughout the northern hemisphere, inhabiting pond edges,

marshes, swamps, and the banks of rivers and streams. Its horizontal,

creeping rootstock, which may grow to be 5 feet long, produces

sword-shaped leaves from 2 to 6 feet high and also a keeled or ridged

flower stalk which bears a cylindrical spadix covered by minute

greenish-yellow flowers. The leaf-like spathe covering the stalk

continues past the spadix to the same length as the leaves.



Properties and Uses: Carminative, diaphoretic, emmenagogue, febrifuge,

sedative, stomachic. Sweet flag is particularly known for its beneficial

effects on the stomach. It stimulates appetite and helps to relieve

acute and chronic dyspepsia, gastritis, and the discharge of an acrid

liquid from the stomach into the throat. For smokers, however, chewing

the dried root tends to cause mild nausea, a property that makes sweet

flag useful for breaking the smoking habit. A decoction of the rootstock

makes a good bath additive for insomnia and tense nerves; it has been

used in baths for children with scrofula or rickets. Sweet flag is

sometimes credited with aphrodisiac powers; for an extended celebration

of its properties, see Walt Whitman's poem, "Calamus."



Preparation and Dosage:



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It should be noted, that aside from this publication, i've found others

where they say consuming a 10" slice of the fresh root can be

hallucinogenic. Also, i've seen a different variety, I believe Richters

sells it, it's 'something americanas' I believe. It lacks a chemical.

Horizon Herbs is the best place i've found that sells the first above

mentioned variety.



-Val



LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> Never have, where does it grow?

> 

> Belinda



From phyto@insidenet.com Tue Jun 23 08:00:13 1998

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>It should be noted, that aside from this publication, i've found >others

>where they say consuming a 10" slice of the fresh root can be

>hallucinogenic. Also, i've seen a different variety, I believe >Richters

>sells it, it's 'something americanas' I believe. It lacks a chemical.

>Horizon Herbs is the best place i've found that sells the first above

>mentioned variety.



Acorus calamus is composed of various genetic species: diploid North

American, tripoloid European, tetraploid Asian, Eastern and Indian.  The

significant difference between these genetic species is the amount of

beta-asarone, a volatile constituent which has found to have been

reponsible for genotoxic, mutagenic and tumour promoting properties in

vitro and in rats.  It is for this reason that Calamus is held in ill

favour, although the extrapolation of this data to humans, as well as

the few reported toxicities make the concern seem unjustified.  But,

it's important to note that the native North American species has NO

beta asarone- so you can cover your butt.



I like this herb as use it alot.  The Ayurvedic usage of it, primarily

as a "brain" tonic, if you will, adds much to the Western usage of the

plant.  It is not considered toxic in any fashion in Ayurveda, but is

considered unsuitable for some people. The Sanskrit name "Vacha" means

"to speak".



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From: Eliza Anne <eliza@talon.net>

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This is just my point of view but...

I've learned the most about herbs just by using them in everyday life

and reading books on how to do so. There is plenty of things that one

can do that involve herbs. Crafts, candlemaking, soap making,

homeopathic doctors, selling herbs bulk or nursery, growing rare herbs

and selling seeds, making tinctures, sewing them into catnip toys,

sachets, bath bags, etc., etc.. You just have to get creative. If you

want to become an herbal healer, than do the research and work with the

herbs every day and slowly build up trust and understanding in your

community. That can be done by offering short little herbal courses on

your own or by doing alot of treatment no cost.

BB,

eliza





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Eliza Anne wrote:

> 

> This is just my point of view but...

> I've learned the most about herbs just by using them in everyday life

> and reading books on how to do so. There is plenty of things that one

> can do that involve herbs. Crafts, candlemaking, soap making,

> homeopathic doctors, selling herbs bulk or nursery, growing rare herbs

> and selling seeds, making tinctures, sewing them into catnip toys,

> sachets, bath bags, etc., etc.. You just have to get creative. If you

> want to become an herbal healer, than do the research and work with the

> herbs every day and slowly build up trust and understanding in your

> community. That can be done by offering short little herbal courses on

> your own or by doing alot of treatment no cost.

> BB,

> eliza



but this way, you can only legally prescribe medicines to yourself.  (at

least in the u.s.)  if you want to become something like an herbal

pharmacist, you have to have a license to practice because you will be

serving and (potentially endangering) large numbers of people.  last i

heard, there are no u.s. federally approved programs for training people

to become herbal pharmacists.  (there's a word here to bring this closer

to the medical establishment, but i'm not sure what it is.)  the uk does

have an approved program for such a thing, but it may/may not allow one

to practice legally in the united states.



i'm not trying to bash you, i just got the feeling the original poster

was looking to become a proffesional herbalist....



brigid



ps: if anyone else thinks that was pretty confused, just ask and i'll

see if i can't do better...



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In article <358EC0D6.69CB@acs.tamu.edu>, brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> writes:

> the uk does have an approved program for such a thing, but it may/may not

allow >one to practice legally in the united states.



You can take the UK courses or receive the equivalent degree from a US

institution, but the Medical Herbalist designation has no legal recognition in

the States. Most  herbalists in this country  work as consultants, teachers,

manufacturers of herbal products, or shop owners. Some of the schools, like the

program in Utah, include some career counseling in their courses. Some just let

you figure it out on your own.



If you want to diagnose or prescribe as part of mainstream medicine in the US,

your choices are limited to the recognized medical professions such as doctor

(medical, osteopathic, chiropractic or naturopathic), acupuncturist,

nurse-practitioner, midwife, etc.  These professions, BTW, have limitations in

the scope of their licenses and not all states license all the alternative

practices. 



"Scope" refers to the types of conditions that the license holder is considered

qualified to treat and may also refer to the type of treatment they may do. 

For example, a naturopathic physician in Washington State is not licensed to do

surgery such as the removal of a gall bladder, but is licensed to do minor

surgery such as the removal of a wart or general first aid.



If you're interested in working specifically with herbs, you might want to join

one of the professional herbal associations in the US such as the American

Herbalists Guild. They have levels of membership based on training and

interest, probably the closest anyone has to "certification" of herbalists in

this country.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine (1998 Prima)

ISBN 0761512446

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm



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In article <35915DF1.3D56@acs.tamu.edu>, brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> writes:

>thanks, rosemary, you said a lot clearer than i did...

>

>brigid



You're welcome, but I liked your explanation. One of the hardest things about

writing my book was trying to keep track of the rapidly changing rules and

regulations concerning alternative medicine. Best way to look at it in the

United States is that this is a time of flux, where several factions are

working out a compromise. 



If you're interested in why British herbalism and American herbalism developed

upon different lines, I really recommend Barbara Griggs' history: GREEN

PHARMACY. The second edition, which was published in 1997, has expanded

chapters about the current status of herbal medicine.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm



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Hi, can anyone tell me if wheatgrass juice is high in oxalic acid.  I

have kidney stones and supposedly can't have certain green leafy

vegetables.  I believe that nutrition is the key though, and have my

vitamin and mineral plan all mapped out. But I wanted to use wheagrass

as part of my daily diet as well.







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From: "Rudiger Mees" <Datio@village.uunet.be>

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I'm looking for the following herbs.



CYMBOPOGON PARKERI STAPH - skhabar (whole plant)



CUMINUM CYMINUM L. - Cumin (fruits)



SIDERITIS MUGRONENSIS (flowers)





Does anyone know where I can buy them?





Thanks











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>> Both Lamium sp. (especially Lamium album) and Stachys (or Betonica) sp. (the

>> betonies) have medicinal value, albeit not the same as nettle (Urtica sp.). The

>> Lamiums (and sometimes the Stachyses) are called blind nettles because they do

>> not sting.

>

> What is the medicinal value of the Lamiums?  I checked 4 or 5 books before I wrote

>the above quote that said they had no value.



Lamium album: pick flowers or flowering tops, dried, as a tea. Used widely in

Europe, as evidenced by the number of European herbals which mention it. Actions

diuretic and astringent, used also as an emmenagogue, and for kidney and bladder

problems (sorry, have no specifics on that use). I suspect it's Yet Another Mint

Family Astringent (YAMFA) - try instead of Hyssop, or desert lavender, or

perhaps even Stachys or Betonica, and see what results you get.



Young leaves and young plants of most all the Lamiums can be used in salads,

soups, or as spinach - they have a fairly mild taste.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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A friend of mine is developing 'spider veins' on her legs (mostly on the calvs)

from standing a lot at work and school. I was wondering ifthere is a

temporary/long term remedy for her. i think the best be would be something

internal, but a creame would be better for work.She is also suffering from a

little bit of stress so I was going to get her some chamomile tea with a

little passion flower on the side.

--Christopher Endsley

christopher.endsley@interimtechnology.com







From phyto@insidenet.com Tue Jun 23 08:14:32 1998

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> A friend of mine is developing 'spider veins' on her legs (mostly on the calvs)

> from standing a lot at work and school. I was wondering ifthere is a

> temporary/long term remedy for her. i think the best be would be something

> internal, but a creame would be better for work.She is also suffering from a

> little bit of stress so I was going to get her some chamomile tea with a

> little passion flower on the side.

> --Christopher Endsley

> christopher.endsley@interimtechnology.com



The judicious use of peripheral vasodilatory herbs such as Zanthoxylum

or Zingiber should be sufficient for most conditions.  Ginkgo, Vaccinum,

Crataegus can all be used as well to promote healthy circulation. 

Beyond that, other herbs can be used a specifics to resolve the

underlying condition (sympathetic stress etc.).  Aesculus (Horse

chesnut) is very good for short periods of time, 0.2 - 1.0 g thrice

daily- but consult a professional for this one as it is potentially

toxic.



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Not sure whether it would help with spider veins, but for the related

vericose veins the herbs most used are horse chestnut and butchers broom.

Other antioxidants (like vitamin C, carotenoids, pycnogenol, grape seed

extract, etc.) are also supposed to be helpful for varicose veins, as well

as herbs that strengthen the connective tissue, like Gotu Kola.



-Rich



root@floater.interimtechnology.com wrote in message ...

>A friend of mine is developing 'spider veins' on her legs (mostly on the

calvs)

>from standing a lot at work and school. I was wondering ifthere is a

>temporary/long term remedy for her. i think the best be would be something

>internal, but a creame would be better for work.She is also suffering from

a

>little bit of stress so I was going to get her some chamomile tea with a

>little passion flower on the side.

>--Christopher Endsley

>christopher.endsley@interimtechnology.com

>

>







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can someone pass on any information about patchouli <pogostemon cablin>

recently aquired a plant and would just to like more about it havent been

able to find much...

thanks in adavance



shell









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shell wrote in message <6mmmke$560@news.dx.net>...

>can someone pass on any information about patchouli <pogostemon cablin>

>recently aquired a plant and would just to like more about it havent been

>able to find much...

>thanks in adavance

>

>shell

>

Patchouli is an annual in most of the world (unless youre really in a hot

climate). It likes moist, rich soil, and hot summerdays, but may tend to

wilt excesively until established. It is easy to propogate from cuttings.

Its in the mint family! I dried mine very easily by hanging in a cool shaded

area but not sure this is the right method. It smelled fine though. Make

sure you keep an eye on fall temps - it hates cold and you'll need to

harvest it before it gets too cool. Treat it a lot like basil, and if you

are in a hot climate maybe give it a bit of PM shade.

Karen







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Hello, after some hours of internet search, I found some sites and

some information about breast enlargement through herbs:



The sites are:



http://www.geocities.com/~ksomers/HERB/Herb.html   Very interesting!!

http://www.aasb.com   at the general section

http://www.erdic.com 











I made a text of all the information I got from the internet about

some herbs that might be useful for breast enlargement:



Alfalfa

Black Cohosh

Chaste Tree

Fenugreek

Goats rue

Saw Palmetto







ALFALFA



MEDICAGO SATIVA

  Phosphaturia in general.

  Menopause, with early osteoporosis symptoms (as a tea with Equisetum

and

      Angelica sinensis).

  Lactation, poor quality and quantity.

  Appetite poor, nervous, weak.

  Malnutrition, recuperation from major illness, surgery.

  Nutritional malabsorption in moderate parathyroid imbalances.







  FLOWERING PLANT.  Standard Infusion as needed.

  STATUS : W/C

*MELILOTUS  (Sweet Clover)

  FLOWERING HERB.  Standard Infusion, 2-4 ounces; the tea for topical

use.

  Not for extended consumption as a tea, due to its coumarin content.

  STATUS : W/A







Alfalfa leaves/     Contains vitamins A,D,E,C; minerals; saponins.







ALFALFA {Medicago sativa} 

       Contains many vitamins and minerals. Is used in treatment of

digestive

    weakness; is said to increases production of mother's milk, helps

in weight

              gain, lowering fever; with rheumatic pain, insomnia and

bowels.













Alfalfa has been used by the Chinese since the sixth century to treat

kidney stones,

and to relieve fluid retention and swelling. It is a perennial herb

that grows

throughout the world in a variety of climates. Alfalfa grows to about

3 feet and has

blue- violet flowers that bloom from July to September. 



First discovered by the Arabs, they dubbed this valuable plant the

"father of all

foods". They fed alfalfa to their horses claiming it made the animals

swift and

strong. The leaves of the alfalfa plant are rich in minerals and

nutrients, including

calcium, magnesium, potassium, and carotene (useful against both heart

disease

and cancer). Leaf tablets are also rich in protein, vitamins E and K.

Alfalfa extract

is used by food makers as a source of chlorophyll and carotene. 



The leaves of this remarkable legume contain eight essential amino

acids. Alfalfa is

a good laxative and a natural diuretic. It is useful in the treatment

of urinary tract

infections, and kidney, bladder and prostrate disorders. Alkalizes and

detoxifies the

body, especially the liver. Promotes pituitary gland function and

contains an

anti-fungus agent. 



Part Used: Whole herb and leaf. 



Common use: This versatile herb is also a folk remedy for arthritis,

diabetes,

asthma, hay fever, and is reputed to be an excellent appetite

stimulant and overall

tonic. Excellent source of nutritive properties with minerals,

chlorophyll and

vitamins. Alfalfa is high in chlorophyll and nutrients. Treating with

alfalfa

preparations is generally without side effects, however the seeds

contain a slightly

toxic amino acid L-canavanine.











ALFALFA - Alfalfa contains eight essential digestive enzymes and eight

essential amino acids of protein. It has been used for a mild blood

thinner, and a kidney cleanser. Contains natural fluorides,

preventing tooth decay and helps rebuild decaying teeth. Athletes use

this herb for endurance and energy.













BLACK COHOSH





CIMICFUGA RACEMOSA





   Has a sedative effect on the nervous system, but also acts as a

cardiac stimulant. Small doses are helpful for diarrhea in children.

Large doses can cause symptoms of poisoning. Heko to relax nervous

tension and other symptoms associated with PMS, menopause and

childbirth.







cohosh, black/      Contains climifugin resin (11). Abortifacient



Climifuga spp.      (22,51). Folklore remedies include treatment of

                    dyspepsia (11); induces menses (22). Side effects

                    include nausea, vomiting, and catharsis (11).

                    Should be especially avoided by pregnant women

(15).













BLACK COHOSH-LICORICE COMPOUND



Estrogen Enhancing Tonic

A blend of the liquid extracts of:

              Black Cohosh rhizome & roots (Cimicifuga racemosa) 20% 

              Chaste Tree berry (Vitex agnus-castus) 20% 

              Saw Palmetto berry (Serenoa serrulata) 20% 

              Sage leaf (Salvia officinalis) 20% 

              Licorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) 20% 



ACTION 

Black Cohosh, Saw Palmetto, Sage & Licorice contain phytoestrogens

(estrogen-like compounds) which, when taken into the body, mimic the

chemistry of estrogen.

Their estrogen activity is much slower & weaker than that of medical

estrogen, but is free of estrogen's side effects. 



INDICATIONS 

As supportive therapy in cases of female hypogonadism and chronic

estrogen deficiency. Its use may be helpful in maladies related to

estrogen deficiency:

menopause, failure of pituitary gland to stimulate development of

secondary sex characteristics, postpartum breast engorgement, and to

initiate menstrual periods and

relieve secondary amenorrhea. 



ADMINISTRATION 

Three times per day take 30 to 40 drops in a little water, in cycles

of three weeks on & one week off. 



ADJUNCT THERAPY 

Concentrated alfalfa juice powder (but not alfalfa sprouts) is an

excellent source of phytoestrogens. Take one or two teaspoonfuls per

day. 

Pomegranates contains small amounts of true estrogen. Eat the ripe

fruit or juice as desired. 



CONTRAINDICATIONS & CAUTIONS 

In some women the estrogen activity of this compound may not be strong

enough to successfully treat their estrogen deficiency. anyone who is

taking medically

prescribed estrogen should not substitute with this compound without

first consulting with their physician. 











Cohosh, Black



Botanical: Cimicifuga racemosa (NUTT.) 

Family: N.O. Ranunculaceae



              Description 

              Constituents 

              Medicinal Action and Uses 

              Preparations 



---Synonyms---Black Snake Root. Rattle Root. Squaw Root. Bugbane. 

---Part Used---Root. 

---Habitat---A native of North America, where it grows freely in shady

woods in Canada and the United States. It is called Black Snake Root

to distinguish it from the

Common Snake Root (Aristolochia serpentaria). 





---Description---The seeds are sent annually to Europe, and should be

sown as soon as the season will permit. It flowers in June or early in

July, but does not perfect seed in England, though it thrives well in

moist shady borders and is perfectly hardy. It is a tall, herbaceous

plant, with feathery racemes of white blossoms, 1 to 3 feet long,

which being slender, droop gracefully. The fruits are dry. 



The plant produces a stout, blackish rhizome (creeping underground

stem), cylindrical, hard and knotty, bearing the remains of numerous

stout ascending branches. It is collected in the autumn after the

fruit is formed and the leaves have died down, then cut into pieces

and dried. It has only a faint, disagreeable odour, but a bitter and

acrid taste. 



The straight, stout, dark brown roots which are given off from the

under surface of the rhizome are bluntly quadrangular and furrowed. In

the dried drug, they are brittle, broken off usually quite close to

the rhizome. In transverse section, they show several wedge-shaped

bundles of porous, whitish wood. A similar section of the rhizome

shows a large dark-coloured, horny pith, surrounded by a ring of

numerous pale wedges of wood, alternately with dark rays, outside

which is a thin, dark, horny bark. 



---Constituents---The chief constituent of Cimicifuga root is the

amorphous resinous substance known as Cimicifugin, or Macrotin, of

which it contains about 18 per cent but the bitter taste is due to a

crystalline principle named Racemosin. The drug also contains two

resins, together with fat, wax starch, gum, sugar and an astringent

substance. 



---Medicinal Action and Uses---Astringent, emmenagogue, diuretic,

alterative, expectorant. The root of this plant is much used in

America in many disorders, and is supposed to be an antidote against

poison and the bite of the rattlesnake. The fresh root, dug in

October, is used to make a tincture. 











Commentary by Karyn Siegel Maier:



Cimicifuga racemosa contains triterpene glycosides, resin,

salycilates, isoferulic acid, sterols, and alkaloids. This plant was

used by Native Americans for a myriad of problems, including headache

(note the presense of salycilates... the forerunner of asprin). It is

still used in western medicine for tinnitus (ringing of the ears), and

by herbalists to increase the intensity of uterine contractions during

childbirth. However, administration should not be a self-application,

but should be monitored by a physician, or N.D. Even moderate doses

can affect the nervous system, induce vomiting, and lower the pulse.



Cimicifuga racemosa is listed in the USDA AGIS EthnobotDB.

















Black Cohosh 







                 Cimicifuga racemosa 



                 Ranunculaceae 



Names : Black Snakeroot, Bugbane, Rattleroot, Rattleweed, Squawroot. 



Habitat : USA and Canada. 



Collection : The roots are unearthed with the rhizome in autumn after

the fruits have ripened. They should be cut lengthwise and dried

carefully. 



Part Used : Root and rhizome; dried, not fresh. 



Constituents : 



      Triterpene glycosides, including actein, cimigoside, cimifugine

(=macrotin), racemoside 

      Isoflavones such as formononetin 

      Isoferulic acid 

      Miscellaneous; volatile oil, tannin. 



Actions : Emmenagogue, anti-spasmodic, alterative, nervine,

hypotensive. 



Indications : Black Cohosh is a most valuable herb that has a powerful

action as a relaxant and a normalizer of the female reproductive

system. It maybe used beneficially in cases of painful or delayed

menstruation.Ovarian cramps or cramping pain in the womb will be

relieved by Black Cohosh. It is very active in the treatment of

rheumatic pains, but also in rheumatoid arthritis, osteo-arthritis, in

muscularand neurological pain. It finds use in sciatica andneuralgia.

As a relaxing nervine it may

be used in many situations where such an agent is needed. It has been

found beneficial in cases oftinnitus. Because of the wealth of accrued

experience, it is worth quoting from Kings American Dispensatory: 



Kings "This is a very active, powerful, and useful remedy, and appears

to fulfill a great number of indications. It possesses an undoubted

influence over the nervous system.

In small doses the appetite and digestion are improved, and larger

amounts augment the secretions of the gastro-intestinal tract.

Excretions from the skin and kidneys are increased by it, the peculiar

earthy odor of the drug being imparted to the urine; the secretions of

the bronchial mucous surfaces are also augmented under its

administration. The heart-beat is slowed and given increased power by

it, while arterial tension is elevated. 



Upon the reproductive organs it exerts a specific influence, promoting

the menstrual discharge, and by its power of increasing contractility

of the unstriped fibers of the uterus, it acts as an efficient

parturient. The venereal propensity in man is said to be stimulated by

Cimicifuga. 



Cimicifuga plays a very important part in the therapeutics of

gynecology. It is a remedy for atony of the reproductive tract. In the

painful conditions incident to imperfect menstruation, its remedial

action is fully displayed. By its special affinity for the female

reproductive organs, it is an efficient agent for the restoration of

suppressed menses. It is even a better remedy in that variety of

amenorrhoea termed "absentio mesium". In dysmenorrhoea it is surpassed

by no other drug, being of greatest utility in irritate and congestive

conditions of the uterus and appendages, characterized by tensive,

dragging pains, resembling the pains ofrheumatism. If the patient be

despondent and chilly, combineCimicifuga with Pulsatilla, especially

in anemic subjects. It is a good remedy for the reflex "side-aches" of

the unmarred woman; also formastitis and mastodynia. It should be

remembered in rheumatism of the uterus, and in uterine leucorrhoea,

with a flabby condition of the viscus, its effects are decided. When

there is a disordered action or lack of functional power in the

uterus, giving rise to sterility, Cimicifugaoften corrects the

impaired condition and cures. Reflex mammary painsduring gestation are

met by it, and in rheumatic subjects it promptly relieves such ovarian

troubles as ovarialgia and neuralgia, the pain being of an aching

character. Orchialgia and aching sensations of theprostate are

conditions calling for Cimicifuga , and as a tonic it is not without

good effects in spermatorrhoea. 



Cimicifuga has proved a better agent in obstetrical practice than

ergot. It produces natural intermittent uterine contractions, whereas

ergot produces constant contractions, thereby endangering the life of

the child, or rupture of the uterus. Where the pains are inefficient,

feeble, or irregular, Cimicifuga will stimulate to normal action. It

is an excellent"partus praeparator" if given for several weeks before

confinement. It is a diagnostic agent to differentiate between

spurious and true labor pains, the latter being increased, while the

former are dissipated under its use. It is the best and safest agent

known for the relief of after-pains, and is effectual in allaying the

general excitement of the nervous system after labor. 



Cimicifuga exerts, a powerful influence over the nervous system, and

has long been favorably known as a remedy for chorea. It may be used

alone or with Valeriana, equal parts. It is, particularly useful here

when associated with amenorrhoea, or when the menstrual function fails

to act for the first time. Its action is slow, but its effects, are

permanent. It has been used successfully as an antispasmodic in

hysteria, epilepsy when due to menstrual failures, asthma and kindred

affections, periodical  onvulsions, nervous excitability, pertussis,

delirium tremens and many other spasmodic affections. 



For headache, whether congestive or from cold, neuralgia,

dysmenorrhoea, or from la grippe, it is promptly curative. As a

palliative agent in phthisispulmonalis, good results are obtained, in

that it lessens cough, soothes the pain, especially the "aching" under

the scapulae, lessens secretions and allays nervous irritability.

Fevers, intermittent and remittent have been benefited by it;

well-marked antiperiodic and tonic virtues having been observed in the

drug. In the exanthemata, it is a valuable agent, controlling pain,

especially the terrible "bone aches" of smallpox, rendering the

disease much milder. Inscarlatina and measles, it relieves the

headache and the backache preceding the eruptions. It is stated that

it has been used in the south with some success as a prophylactic

against variola. Cimicifuga exerts a tonic influence over both the

serous and mucous tissues of the system, and will be found a superior

remedy in the majority of chronic diseases of these parts. In all

cases where acidity of the stomach is present, this should first be

removed, or some mild alkaline preparation be administered in

conjunction with the remedy, before any beneficial change will ensue.

As a remedy for pain, Cimicifuga is a very prompt agent, often

relieving in a few hours, painful conditions that have existed for a

long time 



The saturated tincture of the root is recommended as a valuable

embrocation in all cases where a stimulant, tonic, anodyne, and

alterative combined is required, as in all cases of inflammation of

the nerves, tic-dolloureux, periodic cephalic pain, inflammation of

the spine, ovarian inflammation, spasms of the broad ligaments,

rheumatism, crick in the back or side, inflammation of the eyes, old

ulcers, etc. Preparations of Cimicifuga, to be of any medicinal value,

must be prepared from recently dried roots. 



Preparations & Dosage : Decoction: pour a cup of water onto l/2-l

teaspoonfuls of the dried root and bring to boil. Let it simmer for

l0-l5 minutes. This should be drunk three times a day. 



Tincture: take 2-4 ml of the tincture three times a day. 



"As a partus accelerator, it may be substituted for, and should be

preferred to, ergot; 1/2 drachm of the powdered root may be given in

warm water every 15 or 20 minutes, until the expulsive action of the

uterus is induced, and which it seldom fails to bring on speedily and

powerfully. In acute troubles, as acute muscular rheumatism, and in

false pains, and as an oxytocic, Webster prefers the strong decoction

of the recent root in tablespoonful doses. The fluid extract of black

cohosh may be used in all cases where the article is indicated; its

dose is from 1/2 fluid drachm to 2 fluid drachms. The ordinary dose

for its specific effects is a teaspoonful of a mixture of from 10

drops to 1 drachm of Cimicifuga tincture in 4 ounces of water, the

larger or smaller dose being determined by the condition of the

patient."















CHASTE TREE



VITEX AGNUS-CASTUS

  Palpitations in menopause or puberty from corticosteroid imbalances.

  Progesterone or prolactin deficiency.

  Dysmenorrhea, with depressions and lengthy history of PMS; or with

      progesterone deficiency.

  Menopause, basic initial treatment, if Angelica sinensis worsens

symptoms.

  Menorrhagia, as a general preventative.

  Premenstrual syndrome (PMS), secondary approach.

  Lactation, poor quality and quantity.









Chaste Tree notes



"Long acknowledged in the ancient world as a valuable medicinal herb,

this lovely shrub has only recently been introduced into the herbal

materia medica of the United States. Because of the interest

surrounding the herb, extensive research and clinical studies have

been conducted on it and much is known about the effects of the plant

on the human body. Vitex has a stimulating effect on the pituitary

gland, which among other functions regulates and normalizes hormone

production. Studies verify that vitex increases the production of

luteinizing hormones, enhancing the progesterone cycle. At the same

time it inhibits the release of the follicle-stimulating hormone, FSH

and normalizes the estrogen cycle. It is an excellent herb for

restoring and regulating the estrogen/progesterone balance.



Vitex's normalizing and balancing action is particularly beneficial in

treating painful and irregular menstruation, infertility, PMS,

menopausal problems, and other hormonal imbalances. It has been found

helpful in the treatment of endometriosis and is also useful in

normalizing the system after discontinuing birth control pills.

Because it stimulates the production of prolactin, vitex is often

given to nursing mothers to help ensure a healthy supply of milk. As a

birthing aid and to stimulate the milk flow, take vitex one week

before the birthing date and for ten days thereafter.



Vitex may be used for acute situations but it is most effective if

taken over a prolonged period of time. For chronic problems, such as

menstrual irregularities, endometriosis, infertility, and delayed

menstruation, vitex should be taken for up to one year or longer. No

side effects have ever been reported from extensive and extended use

of this plant. It is one of the most useful herbs for women and should

definitely be included in your herbal pantry."





from "Herbal Healing for Women" , Rosemary Gladstar, Fireside

Press,1993









Chaste Tree



Botanical: Agnus castus 

Family: N.O. Verbenaceae



              Description 

              Medicinal Action and Uses 

              Other Species 



---Part Used---The ripe berries. 

---Habitat---Shores of the Mediterranean. 





---Description---A deciduous shrub of free spreading habit, young

shoots covered with a fine grey down; leaves opposite, composed of

five to seven radiating leaflets borne on a main stalk 1 to 2 1/2

inches long, leaflets linear, lance-shaped, toothed, dark green above,

grey beneath with a very close felt; stalks of leaflets 1/4 inch or

less long- flowers fragrant, produced in September or October, in

whorls on slender racemes 3 to 6 inches long, sometimes branched; the

berries somewhat like

peppercorns, dark purple, halfcovered by their sage-green calyces,

yellowish within, hard, having an aromatic odour; taste warm,

peculiar. The seeds were once held in repute for securing chastity,

and the Athenian matrons in the sacred rites of Ceres used to string

their couches with the leaves. 



---Medicinal Action and Uses---The fresh ripe berries are pounded to a

pulp and used in the form of a tincture for the relief of paralysis,

pains in the limbs, weakness,

etc. 



---Other Species---Vitex trifolia, the three-leaved Chaste Tree, has

similar properties.











: hi, if this is what I think it is, you mean Vitex Agnus Castus, which is

: sometimes known as "the womens' plant" or "the plant of womanhood". Basically,

: it is used for menstrual tension, and I thing it has also been used to combat

: effects of the menopause.



: Correct me if I'm wrong!





OK!  Well, not so much correction as additional information!



While Vitex agnus castus is the official name for chaste berry, and it

is 

used to deal with menopause, it is far more versatile than that in the



area of women's reproductive issues.  Vitex is one of the best

hormonal 

regulators going, and is a good herb to use to deal with SOME types of



infertility.  It balances and normalizes estrogen/progesterone

production, 

and reduces Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH).  It is the latter

property,

BTW, which makes it useful in dealing with menopause.



According to Rosemary Gladstar (Herbal Healing for Women), vitex is

also

useful for PMS, and has been used in the treatment of endometriosis.

It 

is also given to nursing mothers because it stimulates the production

of 

prolactin.  She describes it as "one of the most useful herbs for

women"











Herbal Research Review

Vitex agnus castus Clinical Monograph

by Donald J. Brown, ND

from Quarterly Review of Natural Medicine, Summer 1994



c/o NPRC, Inc.

Pioneer Building, Suite 205

600 First Avenue

Seattle, WA 98104



Vitex agnus castus, also known as chaste tree, is a shrub with

finger-shaped leaves and slender violet flowers. Vitex agnus castus

grows in creek beds and on river banks in valleys and lower foothills

in the Mediterranean and Central Asia. The plant blooms in high summer

and, after pollination, develops dark-brown to black fruit the size of

a peppercorn. The fruit possess a pepper-like aroma and flavor. The

ripe, dried fruit of Vitex agnus castus is the part of the plant used

in medicinal preparations today.



Historical Use

The genus name Vitex is derived from the Latin "vitilium" which means

plaiting. The flexible, but tough and hard branches were used for

construction of wattle fences. Plinius, 1st Century A.D., has the

earliest reference to the plant as Vitex. The species name Agnus

castus originates from the Latin "castitas" (chastity) and the

equating of the Greek "agnos" with the Latin "agnus" (lamb).

Vitex agnus castus belonged to the official medicinal plants of

antiquity and is mentioned in the works of Hippocrates, Dioscorides,

and Theophrast. The first specific medicinal indications can be found

in the writings of Hippocrates, 4th Century B.C. He recommends the

plant for injuries, inflammation, and swelling of the spleen, and the

leaves in wine for hemorrhages and the "passing of afterbirth." In the

"Corpus Hippocratum" he states: "If blood flows from the womb, let the

woman drink dark red wine in which the leaves of the chaste tree have

been steeped. A draft of chaste leaves in wine also serves to expel a

chorion held fast in the womb." Dioscorides attributed to the fruit a

hot and astringent activity and recommended it for wild animal bites,

swelling of the spleen, and for dropsy. Decoctions of the fruit and

plant were used as sitz baths for diseases of the uterus.

The English name for Vitex agnus castus, "chaste tree," is derived

from the belief that the plant would suppress libido in women taking

it. In Greek cities, festivals in the honor of Demeter included a vow

of chastity by the local women. The Catholic church in Europe

developed a variation on this theme by placing the blossoms of the

plant at the clothing of novice monks to supposedly suppress libido.

It is interesting to note that another common name for Vitex agnus

castus, "monk's pepper," derived from the fact that monks in Southern

Europe commonly used the fruit as a spice in their cooking.



Constituents

The majority of clinical studies with Vitex agnus castus (Vitex) have

been performed with a tincture of the fruit. Most medical texts, as

well as monographs in Europe, list the entire preparation as

"medicinally active."1 This is an indication that the medical activity

of the fruit is examined as a whole and that specific "active

constituents" have not been individually isolated.

The fruit of Vitex contains essential oils, iridoid glycosides, and

flavonoids.2 Essential oils include limonene, 1,8 cineole, and

sabinene.3 The primary flavonoids include castican, orientin, and

isovitexin. The two iridoidglycosides isolated are agnuside and

aucubin (see Figure 1).4 Agnuside serves as a reference material for

quality control in the manufacture of Vitex extracts.

One other report demonstrated delta-3-ketosteroids in the flowers and

leaves of Vitex. The authors report (albeit in a somewhat vague

manner) that this fraction of the leaves and flowers "probably"

contained progesterone and 17-hydroxyprogesterone. Testosterone and

epitestosterone were also presumed to be present.5 How this relates to

the content of these substances in the fruit remains to be

ascertained.



How Does Vitex Work?

According to Dr. Rudolf Fritz Weiss, Vitex acts on the

diencephalohypophyseal system p; in other words, the hypothalamus and

pituitary.

Vitex increases LH production and mildly inhibits the release of FSH

(see Figure 4). The result is a shift in the ratio of estrogen to

progesterone, in favor of proges-terone. This is, in fact, a corpus

luteum like hormone effect.10 The ability of Vitex to raise or

modulate progesterone levels in the body is therefore an indirect

effect and not a direct hormonal action.11 This is in contrast to

other phytomedicines, like Black cohosh, frequently used in gynecology

because of their direct binding of estrogen receptors

("phyto-estrogens").12

Vitex also modulates the secretion of prolactin from the pituitary

gland. Early animal studies indicated an increase in lactation and

enlargement of the mammary gland following administration of Vitex.13

It is interesting to note that Vitex has been historically used as a

lactagogue (substance to increase milk production) in lactating women

with poor breast milk production. As we will note below, clinical

studies have confirmed this effect.

Current research with Vitex has indicated usefulness in

hyperprolactinemia. In studies with rats, Vitex was shown to inhibit

prolactin release by the pituitary gland p; particularly under

stress. The mechanism of action appears to involve the ability of

Vitex to directly bind dopamine receptors and subsequently inhibit

prolactin release in the pituitary.14,15 Slight hyperprolactinemia is

commonly associated with corpus luteum insufficiency.16



Use of Vitex in Women's Healthcare

The causes of menstrual disorders are multifaceted and can vary

greatly in their manifestation. Frequently, therapeutic interventions

must be used on a trial and error basis over the duration of a number

of menstrual cycles to determine their efficacy. Nutritional

interventions like vitamin B6, magnesium, and vitamin E, as well as

phytomedicines like Black cohosh, Dong quai, and Evening Primrose oil,

have all shown greater efficacy when used over time periods of several

months. This reflects the gradual balancing effect that many of these

interventions have on the female hormonal system. Vitex certainly fits

this mold.

The majority of clinical studies completed with Vitex have been

non-controlled studies with large populations of female patients in

European gynecology practices. Vitex, which has a Commission E

Monograph in Germany, is frequently used in these practices as an

initial intervention in a number of menstrual disorders including

premenstrual syndrome, hypermenorrhea, polymenorrhea, anovulatory

cycles, secondary amenorrhea, infertility, and hyperprolactinemia. As

we will note, many of these cases can be linked to corpus luteum

insufficiency. Vitex is also used in cases of poor lactation, uterine

fibroids, and climacteric.





Lactation

As mentioned previously, Vitex has been used historically to increase

milk production in lactating women p; another example of its

modulating effect on prolactin levels.

Only one controlled study exists examining the effect of Vitex in

lactating women. Mohr found that lactating women with poor milk

production treated with Vitex liquid extract were able to effectively

increase production. Vitex often took several weeks to show results

but was then used effectively over several months. This study and

clinical use in Europe indicates the safety of Vitex for breast-fed

infants.26



Potential Indications

Anecdotal clinical reports have indicated a potential use for Vitex in

the management of climacteric (hot flushes) in the early stages of

menopause.27 Other clinical observations include: 

 Uterine fibroids which are embedded into the muscle or are subserous

may have their growth arrested by use of Vitex. Submucosal fibroids,

however, are not likely to respond.

 Mild cases of endometriosis for which progesterone therapy are

indicated may respond to Vitex.



How to Use Vitex

Since the early 1950's, the standard Vitex extract used for clinical

research and treatment in Europe has been an alcohol-based tincture of

the fruits of the plant known as "Agnolyt." 100 ml of the solution is

standardized to contain 9 grams of the fruit. The recommended dosage

is 40 drops with some liquid in the morning over several months

without interruption. It is recommended that treatment with this

extract be continued over several weeks after relief of symptoms is

determined. The recent development of a solid extract equivalent of

the tincture has allowed use by alcohol-sensitive women. The capsules

which are 175 mg by weight, have a one-a-day recommendation also.

It is important to note that Vitex is not a fast-acting medication. In

cases of anovulatory cycles and infertility, treatment duration may be

as long as 5-7 months before conception occurs. For secondary

amenorrhea of more than two years duration, Vitex should be

administered for at least 1.5 years. In other conditions mentioned,

however, first indications of efficacy with Vitex are usually seen

within one or two cycles. Extensive or complete freedom of symptoms

usually occurs after 4 to 6 months of treatment.



Is Vitex Safe?

Human and animal studies have determined Vitex to be safe for most

women of menstruating age. Vitex should not be used during pregnancy

but is safe for use during lactation. Safety has not been determined

in children. There are no known interactions with other drugs. Side

effects noted in one large population study are listed in Table 3.

Side effects noted in other clinical observations have included

itching and an occasional rash. Again, these side effects are rare and

have been noted in only 1-2 % of the patients monitored on Vitex. Some

women also report that menstrual flow increases during Vitex

treatment. This is often an indication of therapeutic efficacy.











*VITEX AGNUS-CASTUS  (Chaste Tree Berries, Monk Peppers)

 	SEEDS.  Tincture [1:5, 65% alcohol] 30-60 drops. Ground

Berries, 1/2 to

 	1 tspn. in tea, both once in the morning.  As it strengthens

the 

 	progesterone phase of the estrus cycle, it usually works best

the two 

 	weeks before menses.















                                                           Keuschlamm



 Name: 

       Keuschlamm



 Botanischer Name: 

       Vitex agnus-castus LINN



 Umgangssprachlicher Name: 

       Mnchspfeffer



 Beschreibung: 

      Der Mnchspfeffer, oder auch Keuschlamm genannt, gehrt zu den

Eisenkrautgewchsen. Seine langstieligen Bltter sind gegenstndig und

5 bis 7fach handfrmig geteilt. Die spitzen, lanzettlichen Blttchen

sind auf der Oberseite dunkelgrn, auf der Unterseite sind sie wei

und filzig. Viele kleine Blten stehen in unterbrochenen, hrenartigen

Bltenstnden Andere sind quirlartig in den Achseln der kleinen

Hochbltter zu finden. Der glockenfrmige Kelch ist 5zipfelig. Die 6

bis 9 mm lange, auen behaarte Krone ist trichterig und schief

2lippig. Auerdem zeigt sie eine 3lappige Unterlippe und eine

2zipfelige Oberlippe. Die auen fleischige Steinfrucht wird 3 bis 5 mm

gro und ist rotschwarz.

      Bltezeit: Juni bis September 



Vorkommen: 

      Herkunft: Mittelmeergebiet, Zentralasien 



Wirkung: 

      Pharmakologische Eigenschaften, Pharmakokinetik, Toxikologie:

      Es gibt Hinweise, da wrig-alkoholische Agnus-castus-Extrakte

in vitro die Prolaktinsekretioninhibieren. Humanpharmakologisch ist

eine Senkung desProlaktinspiegels bisher nicht belegt. Zur

Pharmakokinetik liegt kein Erkenntnismaterial vor. Systematische

Untersuchungen zur Toxologie liegen nicht vor. 



Nebenwirkung: 

      Gelegentliches Auftreten von juckenden, urtikariellen Exanthemen

(Hautausschlag). 



Anwendung: 

      Anwendungsgebiete:

      Regeltempoanomalien, Prmenstruelle Beschwerden, Mastodynie

(Schwellung und Schmerzhaftigkeit der weibl. Brste vor der

Monatsblutung).

      Hinweis: Bei Spannungs- und Schwellungsgefhl in den Brsten

sowie bei Strungen der Regelblutung sollte zur diagnostischen

Abklrung zunchst ein Arzt aufgesucht werden.

      Dosierung: Soweit nicht anders verordnet: 

      Tagesdosis: wrig-alkoholische Auszge entsprechend 30-40mg

Droge.

      Art der Anwendung: Wrig-alkoholische Auszge (50-70% V/V) aus

den zerkleinerten Frchten als Flssig- oder Trockenextrakt zum

Einnehmen. 



Besondere Hinweise: 

      Keine Anwendung in der Schwangerschaft. 

      Tierexperimentell wurde eine Beeintrchtigung der Stilleistung

gesehen. 

      Wechselwirkung mit anderen Medikamenten:

      Es sind keine Wechselwirkungen bekannt. Tierexperimentell gibt

es Hinweise auf eine dopaminerge Wirkung der Droge; somit knnte eine

wechselseitige Wirkungsabschwchung bei Gabe von

Dopamin-Rezeptorantagonisten auftreten. 



Wirkstoff/Droge: 

      Keuschlammfrchte, bestehend aus den reifen, getrockneten

Frchten von Vitex agnus castus LINN, sowie deren Zubereitungen in

wirksamer Dosierung. 











CHASTE TREE - Action: Uterine Tonic. Indications: Chasteberry has the

effect of stimulation and normalizing pituitary gland functions,

especially its progesterone function. It may be called an amphoteric

remedy, as it can produce apparently opposite effects though in truth

it is simply normalizing. The greatest use of Chasteberry lies in

normalizing the activity of female sex hormones and it is thus

indicated for dysmenorrhoea, premenstrual stress and other disorders

related to hormone function. It is especially beneficial during

menopausal changes. In a similar way it may be used to aid the body to

regain a natural balance after the use of the birth control pill. Here

are some quotes from an article On Vitex by Medical Botanist

Christopher Hobbs: " In 1930 Dr. Gerhard Madaus conducted some of the

first scientific research on the plant and developed a patent medicine

from and extract of dried fruits named Agnolyt. Almost all of the

studies on Vitex have been done with this preparation. He found it to

have a "strong corpus-luteum" effect, which increases porgesterone.

Scientists think that it regulates the pituitary gland, which detects

increased estrogen levels and tells the ovaries to make less of it.

Recent findings confirm that vitex helps restore a normal

estrogen-to-progesterone balance. It can not only ease but, with time,

actually cure premenstrual syndrome, which has been linked to

abnormally high levels of estrogen, especially if symptoms tend to

disappear when menstruation begins. Herbalist David Hoffmann reports

that the most important use of Vitex in England is for treating

menopause symptoms, and that this is the only female health situation

in which he uses vitex by itself. For relieving symptoms such as hot

flashes, he claims good results after 2 or 3 months of taking 2 ml of

vitex a day. Several studies indicate vitex can help control acne in

teenagers, both among young women and men. Clinical research shows

that vitex may start working to treat imbalance after 10 days, but for

full benefit it should be taken up to 6 months or longer. With PMS, as

positive result may be felt by the second menstruation, but permanent

improvement may take up to a year or longer. Vitex has no report of

even moderate side effects for over 2,000 years















GOATS RUE



GALEGA OFFICINALIS









Goat's Rue has come up in a couple different places lately as a 'very

powerful galactagogue'. Information is difficult to obtain.

I have heard that it is best used as a tea, can take 4-6 weeks to

build up in the mother to increase her milk supply, can make the milk

taste bitter. 

I have also read that it is a diuretic, uterine vasodilator and have

heard it can cause headaches. (anecdotally)

I have read in one source that it is a herb lacking any socially

redeeming value, but that same source gave directions for brewing a

tea with 32 parts water, one part herb.

Any more opinions or real information? Please? Lactating women

worldwide await more information.







Galega officinalis 

Papilionaceae 

Names : French Lilac. 



Habitat : Grows wild in Europe, naturalized in Britain. 

Collection : The stalks with the leaves and flowers are gathered at

the time of flowering, which is between July and August. Dry in the

shade. 

Part Used : Dried aerial parts. 

Actions : Hypoglycaemic, galactogogue, diuretic, diaphoretic. 

Indications : Goat's Rue is one of many herbal remedies with the

action of reducing blood sugar levels. Its use is thus potentially

indicated in the treatment of diabetes mellitus. This must not replace

insulin therapy, however, and should occur only under professional

supervision. It is also an effective galactagogue, stimulating both

the production and flow of milk, and has been shown to increase milk

output by up to 50% in some cases. It may also stimulate the

development of the mammary glands. 



Preparations & Dosage : Infusion: pour a cup of boiling water onto

1teaspoonful of the dried leaves and let infuse for 10-15 minutes.

This should be drunk twice a day. 



Tincture: take 1-2ml of the tincture three times a day.









GOATS RUE {Galega officinalis}

       Is used to reduce blood sugar; for diabetes. Also to increase

milk flow and is said to develop the mammary glands.















Rue, Goat's



Botanical: Galega officinalis (LINN.) 

Family: N.O. Leguminosae





---Synonyms---Herba ruta caprariae. Italian Fitch. 

(German) Pestilenzkraut. 

---Parts Used---Leaves, flowering tops. 





Goat's Rue, known in the old Herbals as Herba rutae caprariae, is a

leguminous plant that in former times was much employed on account of

its diaphoretic properties in malignant fevers and the plague, hence

one of its German popular names of Pestilenzkraut. 



'The leaves, gathered just as the plant is going into flower and

dried, with the addition of boiling water, make an infusion which

being drunk plentifully, excites sweating and is good in fevers.'

(Hill's Universal Herbal, 1832.) 



It was also used as a remedy for worms and recommended as a cure for

the bites of serpents. Parkinson says it is 'good for fattening hens. 



This profuse-flowering, hardy perennial herb is a native of Southern

Europe and the Mediterranean - Gerard calls it Italian Fitch - and it

is widely cultivated in gardens in England. 



---Description---From the several-headed root, rise erect stems, about

3 feet high, smooth and branched, bearing pinnate leaves with from six

to eight pairs of lance-shaped leaflets, 3/4 to 2 inches long, and an

odd terminal one. The leaflets are bright green, smooth (or very

slightly hairy), on short foot-stalks. 



The small lilac, purplish or white flowers are in axillary racemes and

produce narrow, almost cylindrical pods. 



The plant is without scent, unless bruised, when it emits a

disagreeable odour, whence perhaps its name of Goat's Rue. 



It has a mucilaginous and somewhat bitter and astringent taste. It

colours the saliva yellowish-green, if chewed. 



---Cultivation---Being pea-like in character, its chief requirements

are deep soil and moisture. Given these it will grow strongly each

season, producing great masses of flowers, and will grow undisturbed

for many years. Autumn planting is best. 



---Constituents---The constituents of Goat's Rue have not been

investigated fully. It contains a bitter principle and tannin and

yields not more than 12 per cent of ash. 



---Medicinal Action and Uses---Diaphoretic, galactagogue. The herb is

official in the National Formulary IV attached to the United States

Pharmacopoeia; the dried flowering tops are made into a fluid extract

with diluted alcohol. 



In 1873 Gillet-Damitte, in a communication to the French Academy,

stated that this plant when given to cows would increase the secretion

of milk from 35 to 50 per cent, since which time, Cerisoli, Millbank

and several French physicians have affirmed that Goat's Rue is a

powerful galactagogue. The best preparation is stated to be an aqueous

extract prepared from the fresh plant. This almost black extract has a

pronounced odour and is recommended to be given in doses of from 8 to

15 grains, from three to five times a day. 



Culpepper says: 

              'A bath made of it is very refreshing to wash the feet

of persons tired with overwalking. In the northern countries they use

this herb for making their cheeses instead of Rennet, whence it is

called also "CheeseRennet"; the flowers contain an acidity, which may

be got by distillation. This plant is seldom used in the shops.' 



The root of an American species of Goat's Rue (Galega virginiana,

Linn.) is said to be diaphoretic and powerfully anthelmintic. It is

given in decoction.

















FENUGREEK



FENUGREEK - Actions: Expectorant, demulcent, vulnerary,

anti-inflammatory, anti-spasmodic, tonic, emmenagogue, galactogogue,

hypotensive. Fenugreek is a herb that has an ancient history. It was

rarely used in Britain during the hayday of herbal medicine due to

difficulties in obtaining the spice. Since becoming easily available

it has often been overlooked because herbal tradition rarely mentioned

it. For a comprehensive discussion of Fenugreek you must refer to an

herbal or materia medica of Ayurvedic medicine. Its limited use in

Britain demonstrates its value as a vulnerary, healing and reducing

inflammation in conditions such as wounds, boils, sores, fistulas and

tumors. It can be taken to help bronchitis and gargled to ease sore

throats. Its bitterness explains its role in soothing disturbed

digestion. It is a strong stimulator of milk production in mothers,

for which it is perfectly safe, and has a reputation of stimulating

development of the breasts.











Fenugreek 

(Trigonella graecum)



One of the oldest known medicinal plants, use of fenugreek dates back

to the ancient

Egyptians and Hippocrates. A popular folk remedy for sore throats and

colds, this herb is also reputed to be an aphrodisiac. Fenugreek may

also be useful against diabetes. In a study done in India involving

insulin-dependent diabetics on low doses of insulin, pulverized seeds

of fenugreek were shown to reduce blood sugar and other harmful fats.

The authors of the study suggested that diabetics may benefit by

adding fenugreek seeds to their diets. Used externally, pulverized

fenugreek seeds may help soothe skin irritations and reduce the pain

of neuralgia, swollen glands, and tumors. 



Part Used: Seed



Common Use: Demulcent, lubricates intestines, removes mucous,

expectorant, bronchitis, sore throat; Stimulates mother's milk. 



Dosage: 15-20 drops.











FENUGREEK {Trigonella foenum-graecum}

Is used to heal wounds, sores and tumors; to stimulate milk flow and

is said

to help with the development of the breasts.

















Fenugreek 



Also Known As:	Foenugreek seed 

Botanical: 	Trigonella foenum graecum 

Uses: 	Mucilaginous, wounds (poultice), bronchial, catarrh, lung 

Parts Used: 	The seed

Time of Use: 	Unknown

Nutrient: 	A, C, D, B, B-2, B-3, Choline, lecithin, iron,

calcium,	magnesium,

	phosphorous, potassium, sodium, sulfur, chromium, cobalt,

	manganese, niacin, riboflavin, selenium, silicon, thiamine,

zinc 

Habitat: 	Cultivated in Europe and the U.S. 

Harvest: 	June and July

Description:	Grows to 20 inches in height. The taproot produces a

smooth,

 	round stem with few branches. The trifoliate leaves have hairy

 	petioles and inverted egg-shaped leaflets. Sessile yellow

flowers

 	grow in the upper leaf axils during June and July. The fruit

is a

 	16-seeded, sickle-shaped pod that grows to eight inches in

 	length. 

 Compounds:    	Amino Acids, Cholesterol Acid, Dioseginin, Fatty

Acids, Fixed

 	Oils, Lysine, Mucilage, Neotigogenin, Palmitic Acid, Protein,

 	Quercetin, Saponins, Stearic Acid, Steroids, Tigogenin,

 	Trigonelline, Tryptophan, Yamogenin









FENUGREEK



Family: Fabaceae (Leguminosae), Trigonella foenum-graecum L.



Source: Simon, J.E., A.F. Chadwick and L.E. Craker. 1984. Herbs: An

Indexed Bibliography. 1971-1980. The Scientific Literature on Selected

Herbs, and

Aromatic and Medicinal Plants of the Temperate Zone. Archon Books, 770

pp., Hamden, CT.



Fenugreek, Trigonella foenum-graecum L., is an erect annual herb

native to southern Europe and Asia. Undoubtedly one of the oldest

cultivated medicinal plants,

fenugreek is widely grown today in the Mediterranean countries,

Argentina, France, India, North Africa, and the United States as a

food, condiment, medicinal, dye,

and forage plant (11.1-128). The plant reaches a height of 0.3 to 0.8

meters and has trifoliate leaves. White flowers appear in early summer

and develop into long,

slender, yellow-brown pods containing the brown seeds of fenugreek

commerce.



The reported life zone of fenugreek is 8 to 27 degrees centigrade with

an annual precipitation of 0.4 to 1.5 meters and a soil pH of 5.3 to

8.2 (4.1-31). The plant

thrives in full sun on rich, well-drained soils. Growth is slow and

weak in cold temperatures and wet soils. As a leguminous plant,

fenugreek needs little if any nitrogen

fertilizer, and the plant can enrich soils with nitrogen. There is

considerable commercial interest in breeding and growing fenugreek

cultivars high in sapogenins.



Diosgenin, a steroid sapogenin found in fenugreek but currently

isolated from Dioscorea species, is the starting compound for over 60%

of the total steroid

production by the pharmaceutical industry (11.1-74). Other sapogenins

found in fenugreek seed include yamogenin, gitogenin, tigogenin, and

neotigogens (7.2-79,

7.3-52, 7.3-54, 7.3-80). Other constituents of fenugreek include

mucilage, bitter fixed oil, volatile oil, and the alkaloids choline

and trigonelline (11.1-50, 11.1-136).

Extract of fenugreek is obtained by alcoholic extraction.



The maple aroma and flavor of fenugreek has led to its use in many

baked goods, chutneys, confections, and imitation maple syrup

(11.1-128). For culinary

purposes, seeds are ground and used in curries. Young seedlings and

other portions of fresh plant material are eaten as vegetables. The

plant is quite nutritious, being

high in proteins, ascorbic acid, niacin, and potassium (13.1-75).

Fenugreek is also used as a livestock feed.



As a medicinal plant, fenugreek has traditionally been considered a

carminative, demulcent, expectorant, laxative, and stomachic. The

plant has also been employed

against bronchitis, fevers, sore throats, wounds swollen glands, skin

irritations, diabetes, ulcers, and in the treatment of cancer

(14.1-17). Fenugreek has been used

to promote lactation and as an aphrodisiac. Fenugreek seeds have been

used as an oral insulin substitute, and seed extracts have been

reported to lower blood

glucose levels in laboratory animals (7.5-101).



Fenugreek is generally recognized as safe for human consumption as a

spice or natural seasoning and as a plant extract (21 CFR sections

182.10, 182.20 [1982]).



[Note: References listed above in parentheses can be found in full in

the original reference].

















Trigonella foenum-graecum 



Papilionaceae 



Names : Foenugreek 



Habitat : North Africa, India, cultivated worldwide. 



Part Used : Seeds. 



Constituents :



     Volatile oil, containing3-hydroxy-4, 5-dimethyl-2-furanone,

dihydrobenzofuran, dihydroactinidiolide, muurolene, elemene, selinene 

     Alkaloids, including trigonelline, gentianine and carpaine 

     Saponins, based mainly on the sapogenins diosgenin and its isomer

yamogenin, gitogenin and tigogenin 

     Flavonoids, including vitexin and its glycosides and esters,

isovitexin, orientin, vicenins l and 2, quercetin and luteolin 

     Mucilage; mostly a galactomannan 



Actions : Expectorant, demulcent, vulnerary, anti-inflammatory,

anti-spasmodic, tonic, emmenagogue, galactogogue, hypotensive. 



Indications : Fenugreek is a herb that has an ancient history. It was

rarely used in Britain during the hay day of herbal medicine due to

difficulties in obtaining the

spice. Since becoming easily available it has often been overlooked

because herbal tradition rarely mentioned it. For a comprehensive

discussion of Fenugreek you

must refer to an herbal or materia medica of Ayurvedic medicine. Its

limited use in Britain demonstrates its value as a vulnerary, healing

and reducing inflammation in

conditions such as wounds, boils, sores, fistulas and tumors. It can

be taken to help bronchitis and gargled to ease sore throats. Its

bitterness explains its role in

soothing disturbed digestion. It is a strong stimulator of milk

production in mothers, for which it is perfectly safe, and has a

reputation of stimulating development of

the breasts. 



Preparations & Dosage: Poultice; for external use, the seeds should be

pulverized to make a poultice. Decoction: to increase milk production,

gently simmer l l/2

teaspoonfuls of the seeds in a cup of water for l0 minutes. Drink a

cup three times a day. To make a more pleasant drink, add l

teaspoonful of Aniseed to this

mixture. 



Tincture: take l-2ml of the tincture three times a day. 







Citations from the Medline database for the genus Trigonella 



FenugreekAbdo MS al-Kafawi AA Experimental studies on the effect of

Trigonella foenum-graecum. 



Planta Med 1969 Feb;17(1):14-8Ahsan SK Tariq M Ageel AM al-Yahya MA

Shah AH Effect of Trigonella foenum-graecum and Ammi majus on calcium

oxalateurolithiasis in rats. 



J Ethnopharmacol 1989 Oct;26(3):249-54Ajabnoor MA Tilmisany AK Effect

of Trigonella foenum graceum on blood glucose levels in normal and

alloxan-diabetic mice. 



J Ethnopharmacol 1988 Jan;22(1):45-9Elmadfa I Koken M [Effect of

vitamin E and protein quality on the hemolytic effect ofTrigonella

sapogenins in rats] 



Z Ernahrungswiss 1980 Dec;19(4):280-9 (Published in German)Ghafghazi T

Sheriat HS Dastmalchi T Barnett RC Antagonism of cadmium and

alloxan-induced hyperglycemia in rats by

Trigonella foenum graecum. 



Pahlavi Med J 1977 Jan;8(1):14-25Mishkinsky JS Goldschmied A Joseph B

Ahronson Z Sulman FG Hypoglycaemic effect of Trigonella foenum graecum

and Lupinus termis

(leguminosae) seeds and their major alkaloids in alloxan-diabetic and

normalrats. 



Arch Int Pharmacodyn Ther 1974 Jul;210(1):27-37



























SAW PALMETTO



Saw Palmetto (Sabal Serrulata) 







Saw Palmetto is a small, palm-like plant native to North America.

Native

Americans and early American settlers used the berries to treat

problems

associated with the genitals, urinary tract and reproductive system.

This herb is called the "plant catheter" due to its therapeutic effect

on the neck of the bladder and the prostate in men. Saw Palmetto is

widely used in Germany, Canada, the United Kingdom and now the U.S.

for nutritionally benefiting the prostate and urinary tract. It has

been marketed as an aphrodisiac for both men and women. 



The active constituents are volatile oil, steroidal saponin, tannins,

and

polysaccharides. Saw Palmetto is a tonic, and is one of the few herbal

remedies that are considered to be anabolic - it strengthens and

builds body tissues. 



For men it treats an enlarged and weakened prostate gland. It has

shown

significant action in treatment of conditions associated with benign

prostatic

hypertrophy (BPH). Saw palmetto extract works to prevent testosterone

from

converting into dihydrotestosterone, the hormone thought to cause

prostrate cells to multiply, leading to an enlarged prostate. It is

chiefly used as a diuretic and to tone the bladder by improving

urinary flow, and relieving strain. Regular use of saw palmetto may

decrease urinary frequency, especially during the night, by allowing

complete bladder expulsion and reducing inflammation of the bladder

and enlarged prostrate. 



Saw palmetto inhibits androgen and estrogen receptor activity and may

be

beneficial for both sexes in balancing the hormones. Because of it

hormonal

effects it can aid the thyroid in regulating sexual development and

normalizing

activity of those glands and organs. 



Women have used the herb to stimulate breast enlargement and lactation

as well as treating ovarian and uterine irritability. It has been

prescribed for reduced or absent sex drive, impotence and frigidity.

Because of its potential hormonal effects, pregnant women should not

use it. 



The berries have been recommended in treatment of diseases that

deprive the

body of strength and growth. Preliminary evidence exists to also

suggest saw

palmetto may also aid those suffering from thyroid deficiency. Saw

palmetto is a good expectorant for use in clearing chest congestion

and can be used to treat coughs, asthma, and bronchitis. 



It has also been used to stimulate appetite, improve digestion,

nourish the nervous system and increase the assimilation of nutrients

to the body. 



Parts Used: Fresh berries and dried berries as capsules or in

preparation as a

tincture. 



Common Use: The berries have long held a reputation as sexual

stimulants and aphrodisiacs. The largest use today is as a supplement

for reducing enlarged prostate glands, treating urinary tract problems

and for improving body strength. 



Care: Saw Palmetto can be found in sand dunes along the Atlantic and

Caribbean coasts. The plant grows from the Carolinas to Texas. Prefers

well-drained soil and plenty of sun. The berries are harvested in

autumn. Seeds are removed after the herb is dried for propagation in

the spring.















I am a registered massage therapist as well as an aesthetician.  When

I was in  massage therapy school, one of my instructors told the class

that his wife was  very small chested, but began taking saw palmetto,

and her breast size

 increased dramatically.  I never met his wife, and so I can't tell

you that

 this is true for sure or not.....but there you have my story for

whatever it's

 worth.













SAW PALMETTO - is a herb that acts to tone and strength the male

reproductive system. It may be used with safety where a boost to the

male sex hormones is required. It is specific in cases of enlarged

prostate glands. It will be of value in infections of the

genito-urinary tract: Ellingwood gives the following specific

symptomatology: "The direct influence of this agent is exerted upon

the entire reproductive apparatus, especially upon the prostate gland

of the male. It is demanded in enlarged prostate, with throbbing,

aching, dull pain, discharge of prostatic fluid, at times discharge of

mucus, also of a yellowish, watery fluid, with weakened sexual power,

orchalgia, epididymitis and orchitis, when associated with enlarged

prostate. In women, ovarian enalrgement, with tenderness and dull

aching pains, weakened sexual activity, and small undeveloped mammary

glands, are much benefited by its continued use. It is a sedative to

all irritable conditions of these organs and is a profound nutritive

tonic, operating much like phosphorous. It increases the size and

secreting power of the mammary glands where they are abnormally small

and inactive. It improves the tone and overcomes irritability of the

ovaries, relieving dysmenorrhoea when due to atonicity, It may be

given with confidence in wasting of the testes in the early states and

the development of varicocele retarded with the growth and nutrition

of the testes developed materially by its use.

















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I am unable to understand how a pharmaceutical type product can be 100%

natural...can anyone help?



Belinda



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From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

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On 23 Jun 1998, LEvans1044 wrote:



> I am unable to understand how a pharmaceutical type product can be 100%

> natural...can anyone help?

> 

> Belinda

> 

> 

Pharmaceutical is simply anything made by or related to a pharmacy or 

pharmacist - so if a pharmacist markets a product that is present in or 

produced by nature (natural) it is pharmaceutically 100% natural.



Get a good dictionary and don't let the lingo confuse you. Any good 

marketing person can make any product sound like "just what you need/want"



My 2p

Cissy



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Guess I would prefer to have my natural made by nature, not pharmaceutical

companies.



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Does anybody know anything that aids in preventing sinus and/or nasal

drainage?



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Steve Cote wrote in message <6mn77a$ck7$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Does anybody know anything that aids in preventing sinus and/or nasal

drainage?



Dear Steve,



The reason your sinuses continue draining is because there are infectious or

irritating influences that your body is trying to shuck off somehow with the

fluid.



This is not a bad thing, but a bodily defense mechanism.   You need to find

out WHY it is happening.



The best method for working with this problem is from several standpoints.



First of all, eliminate dairy products.   They produce lots of additional

mucus.



Secondly, rinse out your nostrils both night and morning, snuffing up either

salt water, or a product designed for that purpose called ALKALOL which you

can buy in the drugstore.   Do this both night and morning, blowing your

nose thoroughly to wash away dried mucus and allergens and irritants.



Thirdly, eliminate allergens from your surroundings, mostly dust.   Vaccuum

often and try and keep pet dander and such to a minumum in your life.    I

have two dogs and two cats, and having them professionally bathed from time

to time makes a big difference.



Fourth of all, when I have a sinus infection ONLY I use some herbal help.



I use Astragalus, Echinacea, Golden Seal and Nettles in about equal amounts

in a little bit of water and sip it at bedtime especially.



In particular the Astragalus and Echinacea have immune boosting affect.   So

does the Golden Seal, but it also has the effect of opening and drying air

passages.   I have had great success even when I had pneumonia with it for

this purpose.   I also use Nettles which I understand to have some

antihistimine effect, but be careful and don't use too much.   Too much is

NOT good for you.   I have had good results with as little as 10 drops of

each of these herbs at a dose.



When I was very ill with a severe infection which eventually required

antibiotics, I had been using as much as 20 drops of each, and it kept it

from getting worse for quite a while but did not cure it at the time.



Hope my suggestions can help you.



Regards,

Evelyn







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Hi Steve,

PN Drip is not a bad thing, when the alternative is the mucus being thick

and staying in your sinuses.. I get facial pain for months.  If the

drainage is colored if you spit it out, it's probably some infection

(green)...if that's the case, you can go the Echinacea, Garlic, etc.

route, Yellow or orange has proved to me that I have a sinus infection,

and have to be on antibiotics for 14 days.  If the mucus is clear, or

white, then you probably are experiencing some allergy.  IMHO, the best

thing for allergies is preventative measures...hard wood floors are

better than carpets, plain curtains (not ruffled) are better than

blinds...special pillow cases are availabe, air purifiers may help if you

have $ to invest.    Quercetin, supposedly, acts as an antihistamine,

it's a bioflavinoid, not cheap either.

In any case, try eliminating as much dairy as possible.  A good link:

http:/www.sinuses.com

Best wishes,

June



Steve Cote wrote:



> Does anybody know anything that aids in preventing sinus and/or nasal

> drainage?









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HOLLIDAY wrote in message <359121BD.75903C2D@nep.net>...

>Quercetin, supposedly, acts as an antihistamine, it's a bioflavinoid, not

cheap either.

>Best wishes,

>June

>

>Steve Cote wrote:

>

>> Does anybody know anything that aids in preventing sinus and/or nasal

>> drainage?



Someone wrote in that Quercetin is naturally plentiful in onions - the

yellow and red varieties.  Chop up a good mild Vidalia onion, add salad

dressing, and eat.  Not a joke - it really works!



-Rich









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Do you have to eat the onion raw?  Just wondering...  My wife eats a raw

onion and I'm smelling it for days afterward (some kind of reaction with her

biochemistry I guess).  OTOH, she also has major problems with her sinuses

and I'd like to help her get them cleared up.  So, can she get any

beneficial aid from cooked onions or is there something she can take to kill

the body odor after she eats raw ones?



John Mueller



Richard Ogden wrote in message <6mu2uc$bg1@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>Someone wrote in that Quercetin is naturally plentiful in onions - the

>yellow and red varieties.  Chop up a good mild Vidalia onion, add salad

>dressing, and eat.  Not a joke - it really works!

>

>-Rich







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For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Chris Kilham is interviewed on

ABC's 20/20 tonight about his favorite topic and mine: Kava Kava.  A very

responsible and informative interview I might ad, however, if it's half as

potent as the St Johns'wort story last year, Kava will be popping off the

shelves tomorrow to the delight of Natural Food Stores everywhere!  Hold

onto your hats, folks!!!



Fidla







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They neglected to say (although it is mentioned in Bloomfield's book and they

interviewed him) that Kava can increase muscle twitches and should be avoided

by those with Parkinson's.  This may also extend to those with Tourette

Syndrome, as many have reported it increases ticcing.



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In article <1998062303444600.XAA17569@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) wrote:



> They neglected to say (although it is mentioned in Bloomfield's book and they

> interviewed him) that Kava can increase muscle twitches and should be avoided

> by those with Parkinson's.  This may also extend to those with Tourette

> Syndrome, as many have reported it increases ticcing.



They did say that one shouldn't use Kava with other meds and your doctor's

knowledge, hopefully those with Parkinson's or Tourette Syndrome heard

that part.



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>They did say that one shouldn't use Kava with other meds and your doctor's

>knowledge, hopefully those with Parkinson's or Tourette Syndrome heard

>that part.



You'd be hard pressed to find a Dr. that knows of the Kava/TS connection  :-)))



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"Fidla" <fidla@aol.com> wrote:



>For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Chris Kilham is interviewed on

>ABC's 20/20 tonight about his favorite topic and mine: Kava Kava.  A very

>responsible and informative interview I might ad, however, if it's half as

>potent as the St Johns'wort story last year, Kava will be popping off the

>shelves tomorrow to the delight of Natural Food Stores everywhere!  Hold

>onto your hats, folks!!!



  I saw it - they made a tiny mention of the lack of long-term

studies, and gave a couple of teeny warnings, but it was a puff

piece. 



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Tsu Dho Nimh (abacaxi@hotmail.com) wrote:

:"Fidla" <fidla@aol.com> wrote:

:

:>For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Chris Kilham is interviewed on

:>ABC's 20/20 tonight about his favorite topic and mine: Kava Kava.  A very

:>responsible and informative interview I might ad, however, if it's half as

:>potent as the St Johns'wort story last year, Kava will be popping off the

:>shelves tomorrow to the delight of Natural Food Stores everywhere!  Hold

:>onto your hats, folks!!!

:

:  I saw it - they made a tiny mention of the lack of long-term

:studies, and gave a couple of teeny warnings, but it was a puff

:piece. 





Didn't see the piece.  Whenever I take kava for sleep, the next day I'm

slightly off-balance - I'll bump into things, or loose my balance.  Was any

mention made of that? Nex





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>

>Didn't see the piece.  Whenever I take kava for sleep, the next day I'm

>slightly off-balance - I'll bump into things, or loose my balance.  Was any

>mention made of that?



No, but since when is Kava indicated for sleep?  And Geez, how much do you

take to make you lose your balance?  I'd look again at your dosage, my

friend.







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Fidla (fidla@aol.com) wrote:

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:

:>

:>Didn't see the piece.  Whenever I take kava for sleep, the next day I'm

:>slightly off-balance - I'll bump into things, or loose my balance.  Was any

:>mention made of that?

:

:No, but since when is Kava indicated for sleep?  And Geez, how much do you

:take to make you lose your balance?  I'd look again at your dosage, my

:friend.

:

:



A rather low dose, actually - two Nature's Way non-standardized caps of the

raw root (just under 500mg per).  It's very good for sleep by the way.  I

realise it's good for other things (I fall asleep horny), but sleep it does

help, if you're in that frame of mind.



I found quite a few referencwes on the net about Kava and sleep.  Seek and ye

shall find. Nex





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nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:



>Didn't see the piece.  Whenever I take kava for sleep, the next day I'm

>slightly off-balance - I'll bump into things, or loose my balance.  Was any

>mention made of that?



  NO - but I suggest you lower the dose you are taking by quite a

bit ... that's not a good sign.



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Just started on Kava, and loving it so far. Useing it mainly for tension

and stress relief. What do most people using it for this consider

acceptable dosage? I am currently taking one 450 mg tablet 3 times a

day? Does any one know if this is excessive? Also was wondering if it is

safe to use with caffein? Any information would be helpful and

appreciated.



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In article <6mpooq$1h9$1@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>, Dexi@webtv.net wrote:



> Just started on Kava, and loving it so far. Useing it mainly for tension

> and stress relief. What do most people using it for this consider

> acceptable dosage? I am currently taking one 450 mg tablet 3 times a

> day? Does any one know if this is excessive? Also was wondering if it is

> safe to use with caffein? Any information would be helpful and

> appreciated.



What? With Caffein? You've got to be kidding!



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>What do most people using it for this consider

>acceptable dosage? I am currently taking one 450 mg tablet 3 times a

>day? Does any one know if this is excessive? Also was wondering if it is

>safe to use with caffein? Any information would be helpful and

>appreciated.



I take it in a liquid form- approximately 60 drops in a 4 oz glass of water.

That's enough to relax me.  I buy Herb Pharm Kava because I've heard it's

the best from other Kava suppliers.  I get it from Bread & Circus in Hadley

Mass.  If you're an herbalist or some other health practitioner, you can get

it directly from Herb Pharm in Williams, Oregon.



You asked if it can be used with caffein.  I am not an expert, but I have to

ask you this question: why would you use it with caffein?  One is a narcotic

and the other a nervine stimulant.  They have opposite effects on the body

and organ systems.  It's kind of like attempting to go in two directions at

once, isn't it?



Fidla







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Subject: Muiara Puama

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Dear Group Readers:

Does anyone know the dosage and administration methods for muiara puama?

Can it be taken orally, snuffed or smoked instead of a tea or extract?Will

higher dosages can loose bowel problems.? Is there a better alternative for

libido enhancement? TIA.



                                                                           

                Tony.





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On 23 Jun 1998 03:51:33 GMT, "dalt97" <dalt@tht.net> wrote:



>Dear Group Readers:

>Does anyone know the dosage and administration methods for muiara puama?

>Can it be taken orally, snuffed or smoked instead of a tea or extract?Will

>higher dosages can loose bowel problems.? Is there a better alternative for

>libido enhancement? TIA.

>

>                                                                           

>                Tony.

>

I tried making fresh Muirapuama herb into tea, with no luck.  Then I

tried making a tincture from fresh herb.  This was pretty nice, when

used as a tea ingredient.  Mixed with a bit of Siberian Ginseng, and

some anise for flavor, it was sufficiently pleasant that I've repeated

this brew occasionally. 



However, I currently favor commercially prepared tinctures.



There are some libido enhancing qualities for men, but don't expect

Viagra.  When I've overdone it, there was an opposite effect, for me,

anyway.  There are not any significant side effects in the quantities

that I've used.  It mixes well with other herbs. Muirapuama is far

gentler than Yohimbe, (which is a nasty drug pretending to be an herb)

and suitable for at least occasional use.  



I can recommend it as worth a try for libido enhancement, in

combination with Avena Sativa (oats), and/or Siberian Ginseng. 



If you don't mind staying awake all night, are willing to follow some

rather severe dietary restrictions, and don't have any heart problems,

you might want to try Yohimbe.  A web search will give you info about

it.  I wouldn't recommend this herb to anyone, and I suspect it would

cause considerable damage if used regularly.  



I believe Viagra is a better idea than Yohimbe.  If anyone out there

has ever mixed Viagra and Yohimbe, I'd be curious if: (A) Are you are

still alive? and (B) If so, what did you think of it?



From Whosis@what.com Thu Jun 25 17:12:34 1998

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dont.call.me@ill.call.u (Codeman) wrote:



>If you don't mind staying awake all night, are willing to follow some

>rather severe dietary restrictions, and don't have any heart problems,

>you might want to try Yohimbe. 

Safer to get a prescription for Yohimbine. It really is a potent drug

and this is where no regulation can be a real problem with OTC stuff.

With the rx then you know exactly how much drug you're using. Also,

the prescription is not an MAO inhibitor.



>I believe Viagra is a better idea than Yohimbe. 

Wrong. Your implication here is that they are interchangeable and they

are not.  The original poster asked about libido. Yohimbe/Yohimbine

will help a small percentage of men with erection problems; a larger

percentage with libido problems. Viagra is ONLY for erection problems.

It was never intended to benefit the libido. The only indirect libido

implication is giving more self confidence and that can obviously

benefit the libido some but even this is stretching the point. Viagra

is NOT for the libido.



> If anyone out there >has ever mixed Viagra and Yohimbe, I'd be curious if: 



>(A) Are you are still alive? 

Think so.



>(B) If so, what did you think of it?

FANTASTIC! 

	1. Use prescription Yohimbine.

	2. Don't take it three times daily as normally prescribed. (Well, you

can but then you get all the nasty side effects and are probably

*very* aroused around the clock since Viagra's (reduced) effects

continue for a *minimum* of 12 hours.)

	3. Take *one* with the Viagra. 

		a.There is a chemical interaction so the the Yohimbine enhances the

Viagra effect. The erection comes quicker; stays longer; improves

sensation and climax. 25mg Viagra plus one Yoh = 50mg Viagra but with

zero side effects.

		b. Viagra WILL lower blood pressure. Lower blood pressure can make it

a little more difficult (paradoxically) to obtain and maintain an

erection. Yohimbine neutralizes this effect some so that one maintains

closer to a normal blood pressure. So far, experience with the few men

taking the combination is that the lethargy (?) that sometimes follows

Viagra use is minimized. It's a blood pressure thing.



Yeah, man. Alive and VERY happy. Try the combo. Get ED help and

enhanced libido.





From puddies@frontiernet.net Tue Jun 23 16:59:41 1998

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From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

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Subject: Fibromyalgia

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Hello Friends,



I have recently discovered that I have something like 12 of the 14 or so

symptoms of fibromyalgia.   Seems pretty sure that I have this.



Would anyone here care to offer some suggestions either nutritionally or

herbal or otherwise for the care and management of this problem?



I would be extremely appreciative of any knowledgeable replies.



Evelyn

puddies@frontiernet.net









From mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu Tue Jun 23 23:00:55 1998

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The Puddies wrote:

> 

> Hello Friends,

> 

> I have recently discovered that I have something like 12 of the 14 or so

> symptoms of fibromyalgia.   Seems pretty sure that I have this.

> 

> Would anyone here care to offer some suggestions either nutritionally or

> herbal or otherwise for the care and management of this problem?

> 

> I would be extremely appreciative of any knowledgeable replies.

> 

> Evelyn

> puddies@frontiernet.net





okay, stupid new person question - what is fibromyalgia?



brigid



From amsarra@ptd.net Wed Jun 24 03:12:55 1998

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The Puddies wrote:

> 

> Hello Friends,

> 

> I have recently discovered that I have something like 12 of the 14 or so

> symptoms of fibromyalgia.   Seems pretty sure that I have this.

> 

> Would anyone here care to offer some suggestions either nutritionally or

> herbal or otherwise for the care and management of this problem?

> 

> I would be extremely appreciative of any knowledgeable replies.

> 

> Evelyn

> puddies@frontiernet.net





Have you tried neuro muscular massage?  I work with a masseuse who has

had excellent results and even formed a local support group for

fibromyalgia patients.  It's worth a try.



From ???@??? Wed Jun 24 06:01:35 1998

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Here's what has helped me  1. not drinking alcohol   2. not eating meat (my

energy levels drop with meat intake)  3.  taking a malic acid/magnesium

supplement   4. kava kava to help muscle tension 5. valerian for sleep 6. St

John's Wort tincture internally and oil topically to painful spots 7. long

soaks in the hot tub  8. drinking lots of water  9. massage   10. gentle

exercise (which  is hard, I tend to go full tilt in the garden and then hurt

for days).



Good luck.  Ingrid

http://www.mapickle.com







From donwiss@no.spam.com Wed Jun 24 03:33:31 1998

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On 23 Jun 1998 13:59:41 GMT, "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>I have recently discovered that I have something like 12 of the 14 or so

>symptoms of fibromyalgia.   Seems pretty sure that I have this.

>

>Would anyone here care to offer some suggestions either nutritionally or

>herbal or otherwise for the care and management of this problem?



Over in alt.med.fibromyalgia there are now three threads on the gluten-free

diet. Many there have found that they get relief from symptoms by adopting

this diet. Some also have to give up casein. If you compare the symptoms of

celiac disease with fibromyalgia you will find that they match. But with a

FM diagnosis they can prescribe meds, so it's better known then an disorder

with only unprofitable dietary intervention available to control it.



Don (at panix com).



From nohow-noway@nowhere.com Wed Jun 24 05:35:06 1998

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Some doctors say that fibromyalgia comes from using muscles too much, to =

the point where they are stressed or get injured. Others say it's the =

result of not using your muscles enough, another consequence of a =

sedentary lifestyle. Others say it begins with mono, chronic fatigue =

syndrome, then arthritis, and finally fibromyalgia (which means pain in =

the fibrous muscle tissue.) Either way, this condition leaves muscles =

hurting so bad that the pain interferes with moving around and even =

sleeping.=20



A successful dietary program for this condition usually requires some =

level of cleansing therapy, fresh vegetarian food, few or no animal =

products, and immune-enhancing treatments, including appropriate herbs, =

GLA oils, chlorophyll-rich foods, and moderate regular exercise. Avoid =

calcium inhibitors: excess meat or protein from any source; intoxicants =

(alcohol, tobacco, coffee, marijuana, etc.); refined sugar and too many =

sweets; and excess salt. Drink distilled water.

"Alternative Medicine--The Definitive Guide" is a book that gives lots =

of information on arthritis. It stresses PROPER NUTRITION, =

DETOXIFICATION, AND STRESS REDUCTION. I agree with it. It gives =

information on alternative treatments including shark cartilage, sea =

cucumber, and arthritis being linked to dental amalgams.  Herbs it says =

to use are meadowsweet, willow bark, black cohosh, prickly ash, celery =

seed, and nettle.

If you decide to detoxify, be careful of all the products out there. The =

first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you =

eat while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of =

detoxification is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. You =

can't put solid food in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You =

want the waste OUT. You don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would =

be expending its energy to digest the solids. You want your body to =

expend its energy HEALING.

I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to =

you.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Sun Jun 28 20:08:11 1998

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From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

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Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

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>If you decide to detoxify, be careful of all the products out there. The first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you eat while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of detoxification is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. You can't put solid food in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy to digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING.



Sigh. Above shows an astounding lack of digestive tract grasp.



First, the question 'do you eat while on a detox program' is preposterous. Of

course you eat while you're on a detox program, how else do you have a) the

input and b) the energy to feed your blood cleaning organs?

If you detox you want to help your liver, kidneys and skin (and lungs, to some

extent) keep your blood healthy. These organs need energy - you certainly do not

want to starve yourself. 



Next, to be able to get waste -out- you need a large enough mass -in- to make a

bolus. That goes both for feces and for urine. No input, no bolus, no output -

it's that simple. 



Finally, the point with detox is -not- to keep your colon clean (the colon is

always septic - if you're healthy it's friendly bacteria, if you're not healthy

it's less benevolent bacteria), but to get your blood nice and clean. That may

or may not include getting the juices in your kidneys to move out, but

generally, if you're blood's healthy you're healthy.



You might consider some heavy exercise; you get rid of a -lot- of stuff in your

sweat. No bolus necessary here ;)



Cheers

Henriette



--

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Does anyone have experience using a topical bloodroot paste to remove moles?

If so, will you please email me and tell me about your experience (did it

work, etc.)?  Thank you!



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From mary.anderson@virgin.net Tue Jun 23 23:42:41 1998

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My daughter is expecting her first baby in August. She has already bought

some Raspberry Leaf Tea  (!)  but is uncertain when she should start

drinking this.

Help, please?



                              Mary







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She should start drinking it yesterday! But as she hasn't she could start

today. The women I've spoken to that have used raspberry leaf infusion say you

can't start too early.



Belinda



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>She should start drinking it yesterday! But as she hasn't she could start

>today. The women I've spoken to that have used raspberry leaf infusion say

you

>can't start too early.

>

>Belinda



I would approach it with caution, especially in the case of a woman who is

at *any* risk for miscarriage.  I've spoken to quite a few women who drank

raspberry leaf throughout their pregnancy with no problems (including my

herbal mentor, who I trust implicitly); but almost every entry I've found in

the literature indicates it for third trimester *only*.



Dian Dincin Buchman's "Herbal Medicine" reads, "Immediately discontinue as

soon as you know you are pregnant, as the herb is a mild uterine stimulant.

However, pick up again in the last two months of pregnancy.  Tea made with

raspberry leaves eases labor and delivery..."



I don't have Susun Weed's "Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Years" on

hand at the moment, but it might be worthwhile to consult it.



Beth







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Raspberry leaves are used in pregnancy to strengthen and tone the tissue =

of the uterus. This is a help if the herb is regularly drunk throughout =

the pregnancy and also taken during labor. It doesn't cause =

miscarriages, as it tones rather than causes contractions. Many midwives =

have their clients use Raspberry throughout pregnancy, especially if the =

mother has had several children already. My midwife now requires all of =

her clients to use a mixture of Raspberry and Nettles throughout their =

pregnancies.



Kay





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It has been said not to use in the first trimester, but anytime after that

is good, especailly around the 7th month as it is so full of vitamins and

stuff for extra enery needed during that time.  And its a good time too as

it tones the Uterus.  As I always took cautions to the extreme, I never

took it until the 7th month, but I had good results with it.  It is also

very useful after birth, but caution should be used if BF as in some people

it can increase the supply, but in others it can decrease the milk.

-- 

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From: "A.Ferszt" <a.ferszt@nospam.ic.ac.uk>

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Mary M Anderson wrote:

> 

> My daughter is expecting her first baby in August. She has already bought

> some Raspberry Leaf Tea  (!)  but is uncertain when she should start

> drinking this.

> Help, please?

> 

>                               Mary





No drugs of any sort should be used during pregnancy without proper

supervision. Contact a qualified herbalist to check how this should be

taken.



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From: "A.Ferszt" <a.ferszt@nospam.ic.ac.uk>

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LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> >Mary M Anderson wrote:

> >>

> >> My daughter is expecting her first baby in August. She has already bought

> >> some Raspberry Leaf Tea  (!)  but is uncertain when she should start

> >> drinking this.

> >> Help, please?

> >>

> >>                               Mary

> >

> >

> >No drugs of any sort should be used during pregnancy without proper

> >supervision. Contact a qualified herbalist to check how this should be

> >taken.

> 

> These are the posts I'm talking about. Tea should not be enjoyed without

> supervision? sheesh!

> 

It's not a question of 'tea'...it is being used as a medicine. Many

things that may be harmless to an adult can cause difficulties for a

fetus.



She is of course free to do as she chooses. I wouldn't dare add anything

new to my diet/medicine regime if I was pregnant, without checking with

someone who is in a postion to know.



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>It's not a question of 'tea'...it is being used as a medicine. Many

>things that may be harmless to an adult can cause difficulties for a

>fetus.

>

>



This is true, however, raspberry leaf tea will not harm the fetus.  Neither

would mint tea or lemon balm tea or orange pekoe tea for that matter.



>She is of course free to do as she chooses. I wouldn't dare add anything

>new to my diet/medicine regime if I was pregnant, without checking with

>someone who is in a postion to know.



Unfortunately in instances like this "someone who is in a position to know" is

almost NEVER someone with a medical degree.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Raspberry Leaf Tea is perfectly safe for use in pregnancy it contains a

component called FRAGRINE which tones the uterus and helps prevent

miscarriage and hemorrhage.  My midwife AND Reproductive Endocrinologist

suggest women drink it all the time, not just during pregnancy, it's great

for menstrual cramps too.



Dosage 1 cup daily (2 tsp per cup of tea) before pregnancy and during ist

trimester, 2 cups daiy during 2nd trimester, 3 cups daily during 3rd

trimester.



The easiest way to make it is to make a quart at a time and keep it in the

fridge it's excellent cold with some honey and lemon.  Steep it as long as

possible and get loose plant matter that you can examine and have a dated

package for, tea bags are not as reliable a source.



Kerr





From levans1044@aol.com Sat Jun 27 03:51:23 1998

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>> >> My daughter is expecting her first baby in August. She has already

>bought

>> >> some Raspberry Leaf Tea  (!)  but is uncertain when she should start

>> >> drinking this.

>> >> Help, please?

>> >>

>> >>                               Mary

>> >

>> >

>> >No drugs of any sort should be used during pregnancy without proper

>> >supervision. Contact a qualified herbalist to check how this should be

>> >taken.

>> 

>> These are the posts I'm talking about. Tea should not be enjoyed without

>> supervision? sheesh!

>> 

>It's not a question of 'tea'...it is being used as a medicine. Many

>things that may be harmless to an adult can cause difficulties for a

>fetus.

>

>She is of course free to do as she chooses. I wouldn't dare add anything

>new to my diet/medicine regime if I was pregnant, without checking with

>someone who is in a postion to know.



You wouldn't eat anything new for the nine months you are pregnant? I am very,

very sorry for you dear.



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Sun Jun 28 20:08:41 1998

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On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:03:32 -0700, "A.Ferszt" <a.ferszt@nospam.ic.ac.uk> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Mary M Anderson wrote:

>> My daughter is expecting her first baby in August. She has already bought

>> some Raspberry Leaf Tea  (!)  but is uncertain when she should start

>> drinking this.

>> Help, please?

>

>No drugs of any sort should be used during pregnancy without proper

>supervision. Contact a qualified herbalist to check how this should be

>taken.



Raspberry leaf is not a drug, it's an herb.

The usual use for raspberry leaf tea in pregnancy is from the second or third

trimester through a couple of months after birth.



Henriette



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Anything out there to aid in quitting smoking cigarettes?



thank you in advance



mailto:artglas7@flash.net



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There sure is. Roll yourself some catnip cigarettes, using no tobacco.

Smoke these until you no longer feel the urge to smoke tobacco, or at

least until the physical cravings stop. Worked for me.



-Val





Art Glass wrote:

> 

> Anything out there to aid in quitting smoking cigarettes?

> 

> thank you in advance

> 

> mailto:artglas7@flash.net



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> Please, let me know what is catnip and where to get it. Thank you.



Do a search for catnip on the WWW. You're sure to find it. :) Visit In

Harmony Herbs & Spices on the net, they sell the freshest catnip i've

seen to date!



Link to Horizon Herbs:



http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm



-Val



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I am on my third week as a non-smoker. 



The cat nip that you are referring to,  is it the usual supermarket type that

we would buy for cats? 



What about in the tea form?    



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I wouldn't go with the cat kind.. It's been awhile since i've looked at

the package of a catnip treats for cats pack, but.. just to be safe. :)

In Harmony Herbs & Spices is great:



http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/garden.htm



----=

NO SPAM!



Sunmachin wrote:

> 

> I am on my third week as a non-smoker.

> 

> The cat nip that you are referring to,  is it the usual supermarket type that

> we would buy for cats?

> 

> What about in the tea form?



From spot@leopard.lover.org Wed Jun 24 01:02:28 1998

Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:02:28 -0400

From: "Eve Kochel" <spot@leopard.lover.org>

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Does anyone know of a good correspondence school for a degree in herbalism? 

I'd really like to hear from someone who's actually gone through the program

they recommend.



Thanks!



Eve



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Does anyone know a herb useful for rejuvenating bone marrow? I am looking

for leads in helping a friend with bone marrow cancer. Any comments

appreciated.



Lynda







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>Does anyone know a herb useful for rejuvenating bone marrow? I am looking

>for leads in helping a friend with bone marrow cancer. Any comments

>appreciated.



Recovery of bone marrow is much  quicker when it is protected 

from chemo/radiation in the 

first place.  Using strong antioxidants before treatment is a 

lot more effective than trying to rescue it afterward.



But, for rescuing, among the best is a combination - Enzymatic 

Therapy  SuperImmunocomp.  Also, get adequate protein, vitamins, 

minerals, enzymes, and EFAs.



There is a complete conventional cancer treatment adjunct regimen

on my web page at

http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

in the maladies section.  It includes many tips along these lines.



I don't sell anything.



turf







From webmaster@walkaboutwebs.com Wed Jun 24 02:10:06 1998

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In response to message posted by valerian:



I am an incurable insomniac and have tried valerian and found it to be

great, especially along with calcium and magnesium.  I am a website

developer and also recently did three sites on aromatherapy and learned

quite a bit in the process.   The scents of specific herbs can bring on

feelings of relaxation and calmness.  One site has a aromatherapyoils

reference chart on it which explains which herbs and oils can be used to

this end.  The URL is



http://www.pure-aroma.com



I found this to be of great use and now am a firm believer in the

aromatherapy ways.



Duane Nickull











From amsarra@ptd.net Wed Jun 24 03:19:51 1998

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Hi group!

	I am still searching for this book.  If anyone has one and would like

to sell it used, please email me.  mailto:amsarra@ptd.net

	Or if anyone knows of a place on the Internet where I could possibly

obtain this book, mailto:amsarra@ptd.net

	Thank you all once again for the opportunity to reach out and speak my

mind.

Sincerely

Ann Marie Sarra



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From: "Fidla" <fidla@aol.com>

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> Or if anyone knows of a place on the Internet where I could possibly

>obtain this book



Yeah.  go here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/generic-quicksearch-query/002-5205097-4146

640



See it?



Fidla







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In article <35904626.5CBF@ptd.net>, Cookie <amsarra@ptd.net> writes:



>	I am still searching for this book.  If anyone has one and would like

>to sell it used, please email me.  mailto:amsarra@ptd.net

>	Or if anyone knows of a place on the Internet where I could possibly

>obtain this book, mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



If you're looking for used copies, try the Internet databases of used book

dealers. The three most popular are:

http://www.abebooks.com/

http://www.interloc.com/

http://www.bibliofind.com/



ABE allows you to post "want" lists for free. If a shop then posts a title

later, you're automatically e-mailed a "match." This is how Amazon.com finds

their used books.



Good luck,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Field Guide to Edible Wild Plants  by Bradford Angier      have found this in

big bookstores and have seen it in hunting and fishing stores



Pteresen Field Guides  Edible Wild Plants

most large bookstores



From kcooper593@aol.com Wed Jun 24 06:57:13 1998

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Subject: Ginko--Go to harmful??????

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   Hello to all,

  Is there a problem or danger combining herbs like ginko biloba and goto kola.

  Or black cohash, dong-quai,evening primrose oil, and vitex.



  Also what is the difference between whole herbal formula and standardized 

formula? Is one better than the other?



                                                  thanks for any info

                                              keith            

kcooper593@aol.com







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If there is, I've never heard about it.  Ginko and gotu kola, in fact, are

often taken together.



Whole herb "formulas" are just the herb dried and generally ground to a

powder and stuck in a capsule.  Some people prefer them because they believe

they contain all of the compounds in the original herb (though they do not,

for various reasons, mostly having to do with evaporation and oxidation).

Standardized formulas and extracts can be (and generally are) "whole herbs"

as well, that have been tested by a laboratory to guarantee the quantity of

one or more active compounds.  Occasionally (as in the case of ginko) a

fairly simple extraction process is used to concentrate the active

compounds, and the resulting extract may be mixed back into the powdered

herb itself or in a carrier like alfalfa leaves.  This is true of

standardized Ginko extracts, for instance, since the amount of Ginko

required for a beneficial effect (based on double-blind studies) would be at

least several grams two or three times a day.  Since the largest capsules

that most people can comfortably swallow only hold something like 500 mg

(1/2 gram), taking an effective dose of Ginko in the "whole herb" form would

require swallowing something like 10-20 capsules each day.  Also, the tests

which showed Ginko to be effective were done using the standardized extract,

so there is no guarantee that the whole herb would have identical effects.

I can tell you based on my own experience and education in plant nutrition

that the concentration of organic and inorganic compounds in any whole herb

depends on many factors, including growing conditions (light, temperature,

water, soil fertility), time of harvest, health of the tree, age of the

tree, even the position of the leaf on the tree.  Standardization eliminates

the uncertainty about whether an herb can be expected to have an effect, and

provides a basis for being able to duplicate results from one capsule to the

next.



-Rich



KCooper593 wrote in message

<1998062403571300.XAA08413@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>   Hello to all,

>  Is there a problem or danger combining herbs like ginko biloba and goto

kola.

>  Or black cohash, dong-quai,evening primrose oil, and vitex.

>

>  Also what is the difference between whole herbal formula and standardized

>formula? Is one better than the other?

>

>                                                  thanks for any info

>                                              keith

>kcooper593@aol.com

>

>







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does anyone have any info on patchouli <pogostemon cablin>



thanks in advance....



shell







From bejarvis@email.msn.com Wed Jun 24 08:46:11 1998

From: "Bruce Jarvis" <bejarvis@email.msn.com>

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What is the best Dosage for kava kava?   I currently have the Kavatrol brand

it say's to take between one and three.  They are 200mg.   It doesn't say

how many times per day.  Thanks Bruce







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Bruce Jarvis wrote in message ...

>What is the best Dosage for kava kava?   I currently have the Kavatrol

brand

>it say's to take between one and three.  They are 200mg.   It doesn't say

>how many times per day.  Thanks Bruce





I am not an herbalist, but a user.  I have used Kava kava for 3 years.  I

have had very little luck with it in capsulated form and no luck in

standardized extract form.  However, I have had excellent luck with it in

liquid form.  I prefer the brand Herb Pharm, from Williams Oregon, because I

understand they get their Kava kava from Fiji (where it all began).  Perhaps

you should switch brands.  I use about 60 drops in a 4 oz cup of spring

water.  That's enough to relax me.







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In article <6mr1a3$bhj$1@as4100c.javanet.com>, "Fidla" <fidla@aol.com> wrote:



> Bruce Jarvis wrote in message ...

> >What is the best Dosage for kava kava?   I currently have the Kavatrol

> brand

> >it say's to take between one and three.  They are 200mg.   It doesn't say

> >how many times per day.  Thanks Bruce

> 

> 

> I am not an herbalist, but a user.  I have used Kava kava for 3 years.  I

> have had very little luck with it in capsulated form and no luck in

> standardized extract form.  However, I have had excellent luck with it in

> liquid form.  I prefer the brand Herb Pharm, from Williams Oregon, because I

> understand they get their Kava kava from Fiji (where it all began).  Perhaps

> you should switch brands.  I use about 60 drops in a 4 oz cup of spring

> water.  That's enough to relax me.



I on the other hand have great success with the capsulated Kava, I've used

several brands, all standardized, and they work the same for me.



I think dosage is a seperate issue.



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Fidla wrote in message <6mr1a3$bhj$1@as4100c.javanet.com>...

>

>Bruce Jarvis wrote in message ...

>>What is the best Dosage for kava kava?   I currently have the Kavatrol

>brand

>>it say's to take between one and three.  They are 200mg.   It doesn't say

>>how many times per day.  Thanks Bruce

>

>

>I am not an herbalist, but a user.  I have used Kava kava for 3 years.  I

>have had very little luck with it in capsulated form and no luck in

>standardized extract form.  However, I have had excellent luck with it in

>liquid form.  I prefer the brand Herb Pharm, from Williams Oregon, because

I

>understand they get their Kava kava from Fiji (where it all began).

Perhaps

>you should switch brands.  I use about 60 drops in a 4 oz cup of spring

>water.  That's enough to relax me.

>

>>>>>>>>>>

>with regard to the drops - how's the taste ?   Is this cost effective ?

Easy to control ?  thanks.







From bobabrown@home.com Thu Jun 25 03:43:20 1998

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In article <OA4glNzn9GA.255@upnetnews05>,

  "Bruce Jarvis" <bejarvis@email.msn.com> wrote:

>

> What is the best Dosage for kava kava?   I currently have the Kavatrol brand

> it say's to take between one and three.  They are 200mg.   It doesn't say

> how many times per day.  Thanks Bruce

>

>



A recent double-blind study of the use of Kava for relief of stress and

anxiety, which gets referenced here and there is available in reprint form by

requesting it from Natrol (the apparant sponsor of the study).



The results of the research were encouraging.  For this study, they gave two

capsules of Kavatrol twice a day.



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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From rachthird@aol.com Wed Jun 24 16:40:44 1998

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I just watched a television news magazine (not sure if it was 20/20 or

Nightline) about Kava Kava.  The recommended dosage was 70mg. 1 to 3 times

daily.  I was shocked when I looked at my Kava Kava bottle (Nature's

Fingerpring brand) and saw that each capsule contained 500mg. of Kava Kava

powder!  The bottle says take 1-2 tablets 1-3 times daily.  At the maximum

amount, that would be 3,000mg a day!  



Will someone please clear this up for me.  News says 70mg.  Bottle says

3,000mg.  What's an herb lover to do?



Rach



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Subject: Re: Kava Dosage II

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:08:33 -0400

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>Will someone please clear this up for me.  News says 70mg.  Bottle says

>3,000mg.  What's an herb lover to do?



Rach, if you are a true herb lover (and it sounds like you are), my

suggestion is that you experiment with a low dosage and work your way up to

a dosage that feels right to you.  I am not an herbalist, but a user.  I

have used Kava kava for 3 years.  I have had very little luck with it in

capsulated form and no luck in standardized extract form.  However, I have

had excellent luck with it in liquid form.  I prefer the brand Herb Pharm,

from Williams Oregon, because I understand they get their Kava kava from

Fiji (where it all began).  Perhaps you should switch brands.  I use about

60 drops in a 4 oz cup of spring water.  That's enough to relax me.









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I have the same brand of kava kava and I'm sorry I bought it. According to the

Boston Globe, "The active ingredients in kava go by two interchangeable names:

kavalactones or kavapyrones. Check the label -- it should say each capusule is

"standardized" to roughly 75 milligrams of kavalactones or kavapyrones, meaning

the concentration is consistent from batch to batch. ......"The German

Commission E ... recomends a dose of 60 to 120 milligrams a day of kavapyrones"

for anxiety, etc.  

Anyway, this Natures Fingerprint label doesn't give the amount of active

ingredients -- there could be none. I bought mine at GNC, and I don't think

it's a very "serious" chain for supplements. Most of its emphasis is on

bodybuilding stuff.

Next time, I'll look at the label more carefully before I buy.



Rachthird wrote:





I just watched a television news magazine (not sure if it was 20/20 or

Nightline) about Kava Kava.  The recommended dosage was 70mg. 1 to 3 times

daily.  I was shocked when I looked at my Kava Kava bottle (Nature's

Fingerpring brand) and saw that each capsule contained 500mg. of Kava Kava

powder!  The bottle says take 1-2 tablets 1-3 times daily.  At the maximum

amount, that would be 3,000mg a day!  



Will someone please clear this up for me.  News says 70mg.  Bottle says

3,000mg.  What's an herb lover to do?



Rach















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I bought mine at GNC, and I don't think

>it's a very "serious" chain for supplements. Most of its emphasis is on

>bodybuilding stuff.

>Next time, I'll look at the label more carefully before I buy.





No offense to GNC, because I do believe that they provide some high quality

products-as long as you know what you are looking for-at affordable prices,

but they are not in business to educate their customers, far from it as a

matter of fact!  You're much better off purchasing from a Whole Foods or a

Wild Oats or some other reputable natural foods store that is not only in

the business of providing high quality wares to you, but will take the time

to educate you as well.



Good luck!



Fidla







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DDupin (ddupin@aol.com) wrote:

:I have the same brand of kava kava and I'm sorry I bought it. According to the

:Boston Globe, "The active ingredients in kava go by two interchangeable names:

:kavalactones or kavapyrones. Check the label -- it should say each capusule is

:"standardized" to roughly 75 milligrams of kavalactones or kavapyrones, meaning

:the concentration is consistent from batch to batch. ......"The German

:Commission E ... recomends a dose of 60 to 120 milligrams a day of kavapyrones"

:for anxiety, etc.  

:Anyway, this Natures Fingerprint label doesn't give the amount of active

:ingredients -- there could be none. I bought mine at GNC, and I don't think

:it's a very "serious" chain for supplements. Most of its emphasis is on

:bodybuilding stuff.

:Next time, I'll look at the label more carefully before I buy.

:

:Rachthird wrote:

:

:

:I just watched a television news magazine (not sure if it was 20/20 or

:Nightline) about Kava Kava.  The recommended dosage was 70mg. 1 to 3 times

:daily.  I was shocked when I looked at my Kava Kava bottle (Nature's

:Fingerpring brand) and saw that each capsule contained 500mg. of Kava Kava

:powder!  The bottle says take 1-2 tablets 1-3 times daily.  At the maximum

:amount, that would be 3,000mg a day!  

:

:Will someone please clear this up for me.  News says 70mg.  Bottle says

:3,000mg.  What's an herb lover to do?

:

:Rach

:

:

:

:

:

:



The non-standardized version of kava is very ofen in 500mg doses, as that's

the weight of the entire powedered root, rather than its active agents. Two

500mg caps of the raw powdered root is not a huge dose at all - it's in fact

quite usual. Nex





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>The non-standardized version of kava is very ofen in 500mg doses, as that's

>the weight of the entire powedered root, rather than its active agents. Two

>500mg caps of the raw powdered root is not a huge dose at all - it's in

fact

>quite usual.



Please check your literature before posting this.  We need to be absolutely

sure of our information.  Thank you.







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Fidla (fidla@aol.com) wrote:

:

:>The non-standardized version of kava is very ofen in 500mg doses, as that's

:>the weight of the entire powedered root, rather than its active agents. Two

:>500mg caps of the raw powdered root is not a huge dose at all - it's in

:fact

:>quite usual.

:

:Please check your literature before posting this.  We need to be absolutely

:sure of our information.  Thank you.

:

:



I've used kava for several years, and have tried many different brands.  Were

I you, I'd start with one cap of non-standardized powdered root (as that's

what you've apparently got on hand), to guage your reaction, as individuals

have different reactions.  If that's sufficient for you, stay there.  Two caps

of roughly 500mg non-standardized raw root is not a huge dose by any means,

but this again depends on the individual.  I find that two of the Nature's Way

N-S raw root powder puts me in a relaxed mood so that I can either go to

sleep, or continue to stay awake but in a very relaxed state.



I personally do find that the next day my balance is a bit off.  I've notced

this often when using kava.  This again may be a personal thing. It just means

that I use it infrequently, on those times when nothing will get me to sleep.

A couple of the kavas mentioned above always do the trick.



On the ocassions I've stayed awake, I've found I could function just fine - in

fact in the sexual domaine, it rather improves things.  All in all, a useful

root - but one I use with care. Nex







PS - you know, people spout all kinds of information, quoting all kinds of

material that few ever check. 



Anecdotal information is partly what a newsgroup such as this is about.  After

all, each one of us has easy access to the literature on the web and

elsewhere, but it's usually static.  A discussion group has the benefit of

allowing people to give personal accounts of their experiences with herbs, and

to react to position A versus position B, both of which might be of equal

value in the massive body of research that's out there.



Those who feel that *only* pontificating specialists, or longwinded boring

text-gatherers should post have lost the essence of newsgroup interaction: 

the trading of info between individuals - just plain folks.



(Besides, the professorial preachers are often wrong anyway.  Reasearch and

learned texts being what they are, they often disagree with one another. 

Moreover, I can make a quote up anytime I wish, or warp one even faster - not

that I would, but some might)



People who come to newsgroups such as these to gather their _definitive_ info

are misguided.  Newsgroups afford one the opportunity for *further* research

and verification, not for final conclusions.



So keep loads of salt handy, sift through the various claims, counter-claims

and assertions, but do the searches yourself, and them make your *own* mind

up. 



Anecdotal accounts do help, for they point you in directions you might not

have otherwise thought of.  Moreover, folks like to impart what they've

viscerally learned themselves, by the actual *doing* rather than the reading. 

It's a conversation. Let's enjoy it, but let's also not take it too seriously.

Nex





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The news show may have been referring to the dosage of the active

ingredients, called Kavalactones (or Kavapyrones).  Look on your bottle for

the dosage.  Mine is a 250mg dose at 30% strength, which gives 75 mg active

ingredient per pill



Frank



RachThird wrote in message

<1998062413404400.JAA14453@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I just watched a television news magazine (not sure if it was 20/20 or

>Nightline) about Kava Kava.  The recommended dosage was 70mg. 1 to 3 times

>daily.  I was shocked when I looked at my Kava Kava bottle (Nature's

>Fingerpring brand) and saw that each capsule contained 500mg. of Kava Kava

>powder!  The bottle says take 1-2 tablets 1-3 times daily.  At the maximum

>amount, that would be 3,000mg a day!

>

>Will someone please clear this up for me.  News says 70mg.  Bottle says

>3,000mg.  What's an herb lover to do?

>

>Rach







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RachThird wrote in message

<1998062413404400.JAA14453@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I just watched a television news magazine (not sure if it was 20/20 or

>Nightline) about Kava Kava.  The recommended dosage was 70mg. 1 to 3 times

>daily.  I was shocked when I looked at my Kava Kava bottle (Nature's

>Fingerpring brand) and saw that each capsule contained 500mg. of Kava Kava

>powder!  The bottle says take 1-2 tablets 1-3 times daily.  At the maximum

>amount, that would be 3,000mg a day!

>

>The whole issue, as I understand it from a few weeks research only, is the

% of kavalactones present in the kava you have.  I've yet to hear of a

tablet with 100% kavalactones, so I doubt you're in that 3000mg zone !







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My son has the sniffles all the time, the doctors have given medicine

countless time to no avail. So i have decided to cure it the way my

mother used to, i am looking for some Yerba Santa herb. If anyone knows

where i can find some through mailorder i would greatly appreciate

it.



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I absolutely hate those things.  I have found them on my irises hidden

between the folds of the leaves, also on my clothesline, hiding under the

clothespins when the clothes are still damp.  Also I had 3 crawl out of the

hose before I used it yesterday to fill a kiddy pool.  They did not drown,

but *swam* on top of the water.  Ditto on the help!!!



lionel bonnell & kirsten obrien wrote:



> What works in my garden is my leftover coffee (with milk!): put in a can

> and they're attracted and drown (leave space at the top): discovered

> this  by accidentally leaving my coffee cup out - 50 earwigs in it next

> day!









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 Dear Sir/Madam:

      We are looking for other names for Evening Primrose (Oenothera

biennis) and Cat's Claw (Uno de Gato).  What are some other names for them?

 (maybe chinese, latin, botanical, etc)

       Your help is greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you,

Tanya Burman

NickB1@worldnet.att.net



From n25s@email.msn.com Wed Jun 24 23:16:20 1998

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Hi



I am currently doing research for a new book that I am writing about

Medicinal Herbs, and am looking for your help....



I would love to hear from all of you and for you to help with the research I

am doing.



This will involve the following!



I would like you to tell me about your favorite herbs and plants that you

have first hand experience with.

What do you take?

Why do you take it?

How do you feel? Does it work?

How long have you been taking it?

ETC..........



If you want to tell me about more than one of your favorite herbs, then

please do......

I NEED A LOT OF DATA FOR MY RESEARCH............



Please reply to the group or feel free to email me at n25s@msn.com



Thanks in advance to you all, I look forward to hearing from you and keeping

you up to date with my research



Neil.







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On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:16:20 +0100, "Neil Stone" <n25s@email.msn.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I am currently doing research for a new book that I am writing about

>Medicinal Herbs, and am looking for your help....

(snip)

>I would like you to tell me about your favorite herbs and plants that you

>have first hand experience with.

>What do you take?

>Why do you take it?

>How do you feel? Does it work?

>How long have you been taking it?

>ETC..........

>If you want to tell me about more than one of your favorite herbs, then

>please do......

>I NEED A LOT OF DATA FOR MY RESEARCH............



I see a problem with a person asking for information for a book on the internet.

First off, if you -know- your subject you don't need 'A LOT OF DATA FOR MY

RESEARCH'. Next, if you -don't- know your subject, how will you know which of

the suggestions you get will really work, and which of them are 'This brand

really works (...I sell it, of course...)' -replies?



So, Neil: please post your experience with herbal medicine. 



Unless Neil's experience is extensive (which is unlikely, given the nature of

his post) I'd like to discourage afh folks from replying to him - you should not

write books on subjects you don't know.



Henriette



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I looking for a strong herb that will kick my ass asleep And help with

my pain! sorry to say i dont care about addiction!I want the pain to go

away!please help me !!!!!!!!!!





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>I looking for a strong herb that will kick my ass asleep And help with

>my pain! sorry to say i dont care about addiction!I want the pain to go

>away!please help me !!!!!!!!!!

>

>



My partner is in the same boat. Skullcap has helped him some, might help you.

He uses the tincture of the fresh plant.



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>I looking for a strong herb that will kick my ass asleep And help with

>my pain! sorry to say i dont care about addiction!I want the pain to go

>away!please help me !!!!!!!!!!





I assume that all avenues of conventional treatment have failed.  



I would take a 1:1 ratio cal:mag like Country Life Calcium Magnesium

Potassium.  This will help heal and relax.   Also, do Bluebonnet

GSX or other product enough to get 1000mg glucosamine sulfate

per day.  MSM may also work if taken with a multivitamin.



Then, a good antiinflammatory, like a quercetin/bromelain/vitamin C

product (like Bluebonney Super Quercetin or Solgar Quercetin

combinations.) If this is not enough action, consider a

curcumin/boswellin combination like Now Boswellin or Nature's Herbs

Inflammactin.



For sleep and as an antispasmodic, consider valerian.  Kava 

is also helpful.  There are a couple of combinations which contain

these along with other ingredients.



Eat oatmeal two or three times per week (for silica and GLA).  Eat 

adequate protein and good oils (healing and prostaglandin production

to reduce pain).  



If appropriate for this malady, I would look into Vax-D therapy, where

you are put on a rack and  stretched so that nutrients and fluids can

reach the discs.  



turf





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does any one have any general info on patchouli? as to lite and water??



thanks in advance!!



shell







From spot@leopard.lover.org Thu Jun 25 03:09:13 1998

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Subject: Looking for PA Herb Teacher

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Greetings!



Does anyone know of any herbology teachers or classes in the Lancaster, PA,

area?  



Please advise!  Thanks.



Eve

spot@leopard.lover.org



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Subject: MAKING St.J Wort Oil

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Will someone PLEASE tell me how to make St. John's wort oil?



I have a flowering bush. I have put flowers only into oil in the

sunlight, nothing. Then I did it in the shade...nothing.

Now I picked buds and the leaves surrounding the buds with flowers in

oil, have placed it in the sunlight for three days....it isn't getting

even pink.

the first time I used hazelnut oil. Same for the second time, and this

last time, I am using sunflower oil.

It is definitely hypericum perforatum. I squeeze the buds and red

stains my fingers. Oh, yes, I mushed up the flowers and buds after I

placed them in the oil.

To reply take out the no.spam. from the return address.

Thanks to one and all.



Janine



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TAKE IT OUT OF THE SUN!!!



What I have done is to fill a jar full of the flowering tops of the plant, not

packed but full. Then pour olive oil (pure) over it, set it in a dark, cool

place and check it the next day to see if it is running over or perhaps needs

more oil added. Usually runs over so be careful where you put it. The oil will

be ready in 6 weeks.



Tried to tincture it yet?



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Rosemary Gladstar states that when she was in Europe it was wonderful seeing

the many jars of SJW sitting in the sun on windowsills....sometimes sitting in

sand to heat up more.......What is the correct way to do this?



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>Rosemary Gladstar states that when she was in Europe it was wonderful seeing

>the many jars of SJW sitting in the sun on windowsills....sometimes sitting

>in

>sand to heat up more.......What is the correct way to do this?



I use olive oil. I buy it in cans so it is not exposed to light. I keep my SJW

out of the sun. But that's just me. :)



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magda2@aol.com (Magda2) wrote:



>Rosemary Gladstar states that when she was in Europe it was wonderful seeing

>the many jars of SJW sitting in the sun on windowsills....sometimes sitting in

>sand to heat up more.......What is the correct way to do this?



I would say to not put it in the sun.  But, if you don't macerate it

properly, heating it like this is probably a decent solution.  I would

recommend blending the oil and finely ground herb to speed up the

process.



turf





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I use organic olive oil and macerate the herb/oil in the blender, use enough

herb until it's the consistency of runny applesauce.  I keep mine in the

dark not the sun.



Ingrid

http://www.mapickle.com







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Janine skrev:



> Will someone PLEASE tell me how to make St. John's wort oil?

>

> I have a flowering bush. I have put flowers only into oil in the

> sunlight, nothing. Then I did it in the shade...nothing.

> Now I picked buds and the leaves surrounding the buds with flowers in

> oil, have placed it in the sunlight for three days....it isn't getting

> even pink.

> the first time I used hazelnut oil. Same for the second time, and this

> last time, I am using sunflower oil.

> It is definitely hypericum perforatum. I squeeze the buds and red

> stains my fingers. Oh, yes, I mushed up the flowers and buds after I

> placed them in the oil.

> To reply take out the no.spam. from the return address.

> Thanks to one and all.

>

> Janine



I fill a jar with chopped herb, stand it in the sun for a week, strain,

wring the herb, and repeat the process with the same oil three times. By

then it's a lovely dark red and very effective.Just remember, stJohn's

weed in large amounts makes you extra sensitive to sun.



If it's for internal use and you have no hangup about alcohol, a tincture

night be better - steep the flowers only in vodka for a week and strain.

Good in creams, great for adding by the drop to a relaxing tea or such.



Dana



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For a stronger tincture, try steeping the herb in vodka for 4-6 weeks,

shaking a bit every day. (keeping all the while in a dry, dark place)

Following this, strain, press the herb to obtain all the resulting

liquid solution that you can, and place the remaining liquid in the same

place you had it sitting.



-Val

-===-

The shadows then lengthen, and there again - the long shadows fall.



Dana Watsham wrote:

> If it's for internal use and you have no hangup about alcohol, a tincture

> night be better - steep the flowers only in vodka for a week and strain.

> Good in creams, great for adding by the drop to a relaxing tea or such.

> 

> Dana

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From betka@happyhome.com Thu Jun 25 06:07:41 1998

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hiyis...

i know this is not a herb but I am having trouble finding info....

my husband shows signs of having a low blood sugar level (possibly

hypoglycemic) he has cut out all sugar from his diet and has been

supplementing his with L-Glutamine and it works great! one problem is

the recomended dosage is 1-4 capsules (500mg each) a day some have said

1-3 or more...problem is he needs to take around 12 capsules a day for

it to be affective

i was just wondering if anyone knew of any side effects...or if taking

this many a day could cause harm

or

anything else that might be better

thanks

betka





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Seriously, though, there is an enormous amount of good literature out there

about Kava kava.  We've been aware of it for several years and I have used

it personally for 3.  An herbalist friend of mine showed me how to use it as

an alternative to alchohol, if you want to be exact.  We often worked

together on projects which took us late into the night.  And, as we needed

clarity, but wanted to relax and "chill" we found that Kava provided some of

the "relaxing" effects of alcohol without the negative side effects- no

hangover the next day, stuff like that.  Actually, Chris Kilham (the man

interviewed by ABC's 20/20) was the person who gave me my first taste of it

several years ago at a trade show in Baltimore, MD.  I've worked with him

for several years.  He was Nutrition Coordinator at Bread & Circus when I

started there as a manager many years ago.  Since then he has started his

own Marketing company: Cowboy Marketing, and has been very involved in

importing Kava kava into the U.S.  As a matter of fact, if it hadn't been

for Chris, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.  Thank you,

Chris!  :)



As you look around and ask questions, you will find many companies that make

Kava products.  You need to find the product that works best for you.  I

asked Monique Caulfield (the owner of Pacific Sensuals, the maker of

Erotikava) what is the highest quality Kava extract on the market today.

She said emphatically that it was Herb Pharm's extraction.  This is high

praise, for Monique lived in Fiji for 2 years before starting her own Kava

company in Santa Monica, CA (Fiji is one of the islands that have utilized

Kava kava for centuries).







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Prior to making tinctures myself, I purchased *only* tinctures from Herb

Pharm. It's important to note - that one of the owners of Horizon Herbs

is also involved with Herb Pharm. I found this easy to believe, since

Horizon Herbs has always sold the best medicinal herb seeds i've bought.

They always sprouted and maintained strong health through all stages of

life. 



-Val



-== 

NO SPAM



 what is the highest quality Kava extract on the market today.

> She said emphatically that it was Herb Pharm's extraction.  This is high

> praise, for Monique lived in Fiji for 2 years before starting her own Kava

> company in Santa Monica, CA (Fiji is one of the islands that have utilized

> Kava kava for centuries).



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Okay....

Where do you buy this Herb Pharm kava? How much is it?



From Whosis@what.com Fri Jun 26 20:17:48 1998

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"Fidla" <fidla@aol.com> wrote:

>the maker of

>Erotikava) what is the highest quality Kava extract on the market today.



Okay, this is the second post I've seen recently where an inference

can be made that Kava enhances sex and/or libido. Is there a

connection?









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In article <6n0kdn$72$1@camel18.mindspring.com>, Whosis@what.com (Whosis)

writes:



>

>Okay, this is the second post I've seen recently where an inference

>can be made that Kava enhances sex and/or libido. Is there a

>connection?



Kava plays a central part in the fertility rites/rituals in Pacific Rim

countries. Healers use it to treat a variety of ailments related to

reproductive organs. To quote:

"Traditional uses of the plant as a contraceptive, abortifacient, or stimulant

remain to be scientifically verified and explained..."

From KAVA: THE PACIFIC ELIXIR by Vincent Lebot, Mark Merlin and Lamont

Lindstrom.



This is a very extensive and well-done ethnobotanical work on the subject.

Check it out from your library (published 1997, Healing Arts Press).



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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You are definitely right. I called some health food stores yesterday and a

lot of them were sold out or had very few. Others are having to back order.

Are you on it yet. I want to get a good quality brand I am tired of having

to have to take a klonopin sometimes.







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Here's a recipe for relaxation:



1 part freshly squeezed orange juice, 2 parts Kava kava, 7 parts soda water



Enjoy!



Mommy







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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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Subject: the ginseng digger (KY)

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The digging of wild ginseng and goldenseal, in south central

Kentucky, is typically done by young or middle aged men.

In former times, more women were involved in harvesting 

the various herbs that were sold.



The 'seng digger is the type of person who likes being in nature.

You may see this person  going fishing or hunting, too.  



A few hours wandering in the cool green woods is a welcome

recreation  for the farm lad, on days when the hot sweaty work is

caught up for a while.   Not just a passive recreation, 'seng

digging includes the excitement of a treasure hunt.  



People who are motivated to earn money go on to get jobs in 

town or become serious farmers.  Herb digging is not a livelihood

for anyone.  Some of these people may continue digging on the

occasional weekend, because they like it.   The less ambitious type

of person who only works at odd jobs and lives a simple life,

is your typical dedicated  herb digger.



Carlos Lee Murray



   Ginseng Cooperators Group info is at

     http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/

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Subject: ginseng digging tradition & law (KY)

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The state of Kentucky limits ginseng harvesting to September

and early October.   This law is designed to ensure the 

maturation of the seed each year.



The law effectively inhibits the average weekend

digger.  Some of the more dedicated diggers don't obey the

law strictly, however, most of them concentrate their main efforts

within the legal season. 



The law would be difficult to enforce.  Unlike game hunters, 'seng

diggers move silently through the woods and walk for miles away

from their parked vehicles.



However, there was a rumour last year of someone getting charged

for nonseasonal digging in the next county.  A few such incidents

has an effect of making everyone less inclined to take a chance.





My opinion of the law is that it has a good effect.  However it is

not perfect.   Leaving the seed to mature is one of the important

requirements for propagation.  The other requirement is that

diggers leave the small young plants to grow.  Even in the proper

season, if diggers remove the 1- and 2-year plants along with the

older ones, the population suffers.  If seed are present the

ginseng will return, but not for several years.



Of course there is really no way to enforce such practices. 

Fortunately there is a tradition among diggers of stewardship

and that is what needs to be encouraged.  



Diggers vary as individuals.  Some of them will dig every tiny

plant they find; some take no care to scatter the seed.  The

majority of diggers, however, don't harvest the tiny plants since

the weight of the root is insignificant.



Diggers talk to each other about the ways of digging.  Those 

who believe in stewardship practices tell others about their ways.

The scattering of the seed when digging mature plants -- stipulated

in the law -- was practiced by most experienced diggers long before

the law came into being.



The law expresses that the seed shall be scattered within a certain

radius from the mother plant, and that no tools shall be used for

this planting.



The legal season is also the time when ginseng is most easy to 

identify, when the leaves turn golden.  In July it is much more 

difficult to locate the green ginseng among the other plants of the

forest floor.  By late September many weeds and herbs have already

lost their leaves or disappeared entirely, which allows more

visibility.



For farming people, the legal ginseng season is also the time when

a lot of work has to be done harvesting crops and getting ready for

winter, so it's hard for these people to get a chance to go 'seng

digging.   Students, likewise, are confined to school on weekdays

during the season.



Another factor the ginseng digger must consider is that the hunting

seasons for deer and wild turkeys overlaps the ginseng season. 

There is only so much room in the woods and when gunshots are heard

the digger must take a different direction.



Carlos Lee Murray



  Ginseng Cooperators Group info is at



     http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/

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Looking back at the history of ginseng use in the USA we were first told that

the root had to be at least 10 years old to be effective. Then we moved to 7

and I presume it is now down to 3? 



Roamed the hills of TN some this spring and was closely watched by a trio of

middle-aged men. They were very interested in what I was digging (bloodroot).

Once they found that it wasn't "sing" they left me alone, probably had me

figured for a nut collecting some useless roots.



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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)

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LEvans1044 (levans1044@aol.com) writes:

> Looking back at the history of ginseng use in the USA we were first told that

> the root had to be at least 10 years old to be effective. Then we moved to 7

> and I presume it is now down to 3? 



Yes, I used to always hear that 7 years age is required to be really

effective.  I don't hear that any more, people dig anything over 3 years.

 

 

> Roamed the hills of TN some this spring and was closely watched by a trio of

> middle-aged men. They were very interested in what I was digging (bloodroot).

> Once they found that it wasn't "sing" they left me alone, probably had me

> figured for a nut collecting some useless roots.





Maybe they had a private 'seng patch nearby, and hoped you wouldn't find it?

What do you do with the bloodroot?



clm-Ottawa

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Lee Murray wrote in message <6mspoo$p0g@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>

>The law expresses that the seed shall be scattered within a certain

>radius from the mother plant, and that no tools shall be used for

>this planting.

>





I'm curious as to why no tools are allowed.  Certainly an experienced

planter with a dibble or other similar tool would produce a higher number of

successful plants than just scattering seeds, since they are reportedly

relished by rodents and probably also by birds.



-Rich









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"Richard Ogden" (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) writes:

> Lee Murray wrote in message <6mspoo$p0g@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>>

>>The law expresses that the seed shall be scattered within a certain

>>radius from the mother plant, and that no tools shall be used for

> 

> I'm curious as to why no tools are allowed.  Certainly an experienced

> planter with a dibble or other similar tool would produce a higher number of

> successful plants than just scattering seeds, since they are reportedly

> relished by rodents and probably also by birds.



It would seem that the authors of the law wanted to duplicate

natural re-seeding.  Maybe they figure the birds and rodents deserve

their share...  and it's probable that such animals also help to 

spread the seed farther afield.



The subject of who eats the seed is interesting to me.  Actually

the red berry is a fruit that contains the seed.  I sometimes see

where something has taken a bite out of the red fruity part.  

Sometimes there are seeds missing from the cluster.  However

the majority of plants that I see, have all their seed intact.



There must be some animal or bird that eats the fruit and 

passes the seed or drops it -- that would explain the solitary

specimens of ginseng one finds on top of a hill.  (More commonly

you find a bit of a patch where the seed have fallen, forming a 

cascade of successive generations down the side of the hill. )



Carlos Lee Murray



 Ginseng Cooperators Group info is at

	http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/

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Subject: logging effects on wild herbs (KY)

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Logging has become intensive in south central Kentucky.

Smaller and smaller trees are being considered worth the 

cost of extraction, and the machines available enable 

logs to be taken from steeper hillsides and deeper valleys.



The dynamic that drives the logging is quick money. For the

landowner, timber is the quickest, easiest way to turn assets

into cash.   It is axiomatic that many farmers and landowners 

in any particular year will decide they need some quick cash,

whether to make up a shortfall for mortgage payments, to 

build a barn or buy a tractor, or to pay medical bills.



The loggers are hard pressed to find trees and aggressively

seek out people willing to sell their timber. 



Logging is dangerous work and a high profit is required in order to

pay the high costs of insurance for workers.  To maximize profit,

therefore,  the loggers speed up their operation.  In effect

this means they smash down every tree that gets in the way, and 

drag the logs out by the fastest route often gouging ditches on

slopes causing erosion of the soil.  And of course they tend to 

take more safety risks, which in the long run increases their

costs...





Logging would not hurt the wild herbs very much, if it were done

carefully.  Logging out all of the large trees does diminish the

overall life-support integrity of a forest.  This affects

goldenseal more than it affects ginseng.  There are probably other

herbs more fragile that are seriously harmed.  



The discarded tops and branches of trees lying on the forest floor

make excellent hiding places for ginseng.  Until the slag rots

down, the herbs can thrive undiscovered.  However, it is necessary

to have some shade overhead.



The problems of modern logging are that great spaces are knocked

out of the shade canopy -- not by removing timber trees, but by 

smashing down everything in the area where the machines are

working.  At the same time, great damage is done to the forest

floor and soil.



When this type of logging hits a forest,  chances are some of the

ginseng will survive in hidden places.  In 40 years it may

repopulate the forest to some extent.   Goldenseal has a harder

time and may not survive.



When this type of logging is followed by another round of logging

10 years later, even the ginseng can be wiped out of that woods.



As we walk among the forests we see every stage.  There are woods

that have been repeatedly overlogged where we see none of the

special forest herbs.  In other woods we see the remains of old

stumps.  Logging done before about 1975 has not noticeably harmed

the ginseng population.  We see newly logged places where herbs

are turning yellow exposed to too much sun, where the undergrowth

is all flattened or gouged out.



Carlos Lee Murray



 Ginseng Cooperators Group info is at

     http://www.altnature.com/ginseng

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The Ginseng Cooperators Group  has goals that are social. 

You are invited to integrate your interests and activities

with GCG, or with the same common goals, in your own way.





In reality, GCG is a thing I started in 1996, doing a tiny amount

of selling, a tiny amount of replanting, paying tiny commissions 

to a few woodland-owners, and making as much noise as possible

about it.   We have also done some information sharing with people

on internet and web.



The sum of these tiny parts adds up to an *example* of how 

cooperating can be profitable for everybody while sustaining

the natural resource == profitable for nature, too.



That is the purpose of GCG, to set the example.  GCG is wide open

for participation by  diggers, crafters, students, communicators,

users and consumers, growers, and forest-preservation activists.

However, all these people can work in harmony for common goals,

independently of GCG if they prefer.



The essential feature is to pay back nature -- not as a charitable

donation but as a matter of routine business.  To put our money 

where our mouth is.



It's easy to say we love the wilderness and the wild things. 

It's hard to do anything about it, and still make a living, 

with the old fashioned way of doing business by competition.



But you don't have to pay out of pocket.  The principle here is

that  sustainable business attracts more customers -- new business

and on that new business is a small "tax" that you spend on nature.



The contribution to nature is built in, automatic, and it only

comes out when cash is flowing.  It doesn't really cost you

anything.



GCG tries to bring together harvester and customer.  Direct

marketing -- a lot of you are already doing that.  By cutting out

the middle-merchants,  we can offer the customer a "competitive"

price --- and give the profit to nature instead.



(In practice I am also trying to develop some small retailer

contacts for GCG products.)



But it's hard for each of us alone to develop a customer base. 

So, the idea is to join together on the marketing side.  Put a lot

of herbs and herb product suppliers together, that will attract

more customers. 



Small harvesters and crafters can join in the GCG marketing

directory at  altnature.com,  or people can arrange directly with

altnature.com  for a link, ad, webspace, or whatever works to give

you publicity via the central  altnature.com  website.





You may think of ways to pay back nature in your own local region.

If not,  I recommend a "blanket tax"  from 5% to 8.5% be paid to 

United PlantSavers, from the sale of your products.





Another part of the GCG goals is the creation of land trusts or

preserves to ensure the survival of wild herbs,  and to serve as

community education centers.  I will be inviting your participation

as plans come together for some land sites.  However I also know

there are some similar projects already happening, and encourage

others to pursue similar objectives in your part of the country.

Again, it's the principle of cooperation.  I don't have $100,000

and neither do you, but 1,000 of us have $100 apiece.





I feel that education is of equal importance with actual replanting

and reclamation work.  For thousands of years, the wild herbs have

co-existed with human peoples;  herb lore has always been part of

human knowledge.  And the plants, too, have awareness of their

relationships with human beings.



This ancient bond has been eroded by the science of Aristotle,

and it is part of our task  to renew the acquaintance.   If a great

many people love and appreciate having wild herbs,  this will help

ensure their preservation for future generations.





Whatever you are doing in the field of wild herbs,  you're welcome

to add your activity to GCG  -- or to adapt its ideas for your own

work. 





Carlos Lee Murray



     Visit Alternative Nature Online Herbal

     & Ginseng Cooperators Group



     http://www.altnature.com/



Also recommended: United PlantSavers http://www.plantsavers.org/



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From TODD-O.no@spam.worldnet.att.net Thu Jun 25 10:00:34 1998

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Although I am not a doctor, you might want to consider supplementing

with EPA fish oil and GLA (Gamma Linoleic Acid). Research has

suggested that besides decreasing the frequency of headaches, they

influence the production of "good" prostaglandins and reduce the

inflammation and blood vessel spasms common in migraine type

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Gimishin Foug wrote in message <6mriof$jqr$1@svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net>...

>My son has been getting terrible headaches for nearly a year and while

>we are waiting for the results of the M.R.I he has been given

>Amitriptyline 25mg.  Has anyone else been given these for headaches - I

>thought they were anti-depressants.

>

>Please could you reply to the address in my .sig.

>

>--

>Tina

>omega at who.softnet.co.uk

>(for address, substitute ' @ ' for 'at')

>

>

>







From jpitman@chat.carleton.ca Thu Jun 25 21:05:02 1998

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From: jpitman@chat.carleton.ca (Jenn Pitman)

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Subject: Re: migraine type headaches

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> Gimishin Foug wrote in message <6mriof$jqr$1@svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net>...

> >My son has been getting terrible headaches for nearly a year and while

> >we are waiting for the results of the M.R.I he has been given

> >Amitriptyline 25mg.  Has anyone else been given these for headaches - I

> >thought they were anti-depressants.

> >

> >Please could you reply to the address in my .sig.

> >

> >--

> >Tina

> >omega at who.softnet.co.uk

> >(for address, substitute ' @ ' for 'at')



	Yes it is an antidepessant it is a member of the tricyclic

antidrepessants.  It mainly affects dopamine but, serotonin and

norepinephrine aswell.  It block re-up-take making it and inhibitory drug.

 It has a half life of 20 hrs and is the least potient of the tricyclics.

Some members of this drug family are deadly in adults at only 1000-2000mg

doses.  I have migraines and have never been prescribed this type of

medication.  I have tried "imutrax" (I think that's rite) which delt with

serotonin, I did't like it much.



That about all I can say rite now I use feverfew.

Jenn

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 I'm mad.  You're mad."

"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.

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 Botanical names as follows...



Evening Primrose - Oenothera biennis



Cat's Claw - Uncaria tomentosa, Uncaria guianensis



Hope that helps.



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Naum Burman wrote in message <6mrcch$6rr@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

> Dear Sir/Madam:

>      We are looking for other names for Evening Primrose (Oenothera

>biennis) and Cat's Claw (Uno de Gato).  What are some other names for them?

> (maybe chinese, latin, botanical, etc)

>       Your help is greatly appreciated.

>

>Thank you,

>Tanya Burman

>NickB1@worldnet.att.net

>







From eliza@talon.net Thu Jun 25 10:57:43 1998

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From: eliza <eliza@talon.net>

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Does anyone have any remedies for acne. A friend had a friend who asked

her if she knew of anything. That friend asked me and all I could think

of was dandelions because they are blood purifiers. Does anyone know

anything else?

Thanks, eliza





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Here are a few herbs to aid in ridding acne:



Calendula (externally, as a face cleanser)



Internally:



Echinacea root

Dandelion root

Barley grass

Kelp

Red Clover blossoms

Goldenseal root

Alfalfa 



-Val



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eliza wrote:

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> Does anyone have any remedies for acne. A friend had a friend who asked

> her if she knew of anything. That friend asked me and all I could think

> of was dandelions because they are blood purifiers. Does anyone know

> anything else?

> Thanks, eliza



From j20333@aol.com Thu Jun 25 11:54:24 1998

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hi i was wanderin if there were herbs that helped to get rid of some extra male

hormones . its hard to be abstaint and 20 (no pun intended)  . please email me



Jim



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Hops has been known to lessen sexual desire in males.



-Val



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J20333 wrote:

> 

> hi i was wanderin if there were herbs that helped to get rid of some extra male

> hormones . its hard to be abstaint and 20 (no pun intended)  . please email me

> 

> Jim



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From: jpitman@chat.carleton.ca (Jenn Pitman)

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Subject: Re: too much male hormones

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J20333 (j20333@aol.com) wrote:

> hi i was wanderin if there were herbs that helped to get rid of some extra male

> hormones . its hard to be abstaint and 20 (no pun intended)  . please email me



> Jim



	According to studies on this subject "sex drive and testosterone

levels are uncorrelated in healthy men, and testosterone injections do not

increase their sex drive" (Pinel, 1997).  If anything they think it is

correlated to certain nuclei in the hypothalamus.  Short of a gonadectomy

or hypothalamic surgery, yer best bet would be some relaxants.



Jenn

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 I'm mad.  You're mad."

"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.

"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

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i know that when i used to get high alot my sex drive was like nil cause of the

thc , i was just courious if there were other herbs that would do hte same,

what about stuff like chaste berry? 



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Has anyone used yellowdock tea for psoriasis..thanks.



From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Thu Jun 25 19:37:40 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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John wrote in message ...

>

>Hydroponic starter kits.  Hydroponics lets you grow more in the same space.

>You can grow vegetables almost anywhere.

>Visit

>http://www.jvprofit.com/y2k/hydro/jindex1.htm



John, you imply in your website promotion that hydroponics eliminated plant

diseases.  In fact, root borne diseases are far more devastating in a

hydroponics operation, since any introduction of a pathogen is immediately

carried to all the other plants on the same feed line.  As far as leaf

diseases, hydroponically  grown plants are every bit as susceptible to them

as plants in the ground and maybe more so, since most hydroponic systems

require close spacing of plants to achieve some of their reported yield

increases.  Soil-grown plants are able to derive many of their nutrients

directly from the soil without much grower intervention beyond the

occasional spreading of fertilizer or compost.  Successful hydroponics

operations require constant monitoring and replacement of the solutions used

to support the plants - VERY labor intensive, IMO, and expensive, since the

solutions must be made up of the more expensive water-soluble forms of the

required fertilizers.  Add to that the pumps, tanks, feeder lines and other

initial equipment setup and you have a rather big investment.  As far as "no

insecticides needed, that is total BS.  I've worked in greenhouses and the

insect problems in such protected environments are incredible.  Spider mites

and whitefly are probably the worst, and are difficult to control without

rather toxic chemical sprays or fumigation.  Hydroponic systems set up

outside are subject to the same insect and disease problems suffered by

soil-grown plants (or worse, again because of the close spacings involved).



IMO, unless you are planning to grow some *very* high-value crop (read

"Cannabis") in such a system, there is no way you will recoup your

investment for the modest benefits realized.  There used to be quite a few

hydroponic vegetable operations where I lived, whose owners found that fact

out the hard way; very few of them are still in operation, and if you've

priced hydroponic tomatoes at the store lately you will see what they have

to charge (compared to field grown produce) just to stay in business.



-Rich









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looking for and herb or herb combo that will help in my lowback chronic

pain problem! also herbs that work for depression & anixity! sorry for

my spelling! any advice would be helpful!

                                      

                                                a man that needs 

                                                         advice!





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>looking for and herb or herb combo that will help in my lowback chronic

>pain problem! also herbs that work for depression & anixity! sorry for

>my spelling! any advice would be helpful!



Oh, my, the male version of me!  I would like the same information.  My back

and neck always ache and my *last*  nerve is about gone.  Thanks.



Kim



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On 27 Jun 1998 18:31:09 GMT, pookiehd@aol.com (Pookiehd) wrote:



>>looking for and herb or herb combo that will help in my lowback chronic

>>pain problem! 



First find the causal agent of the low back pain.  Is it the result of

improper posture with the stomach rolled forward, possibly caused by

too much fat carried in that region?  Or is it the result of

constipation of the bowel?  Or some other problem.



Loss of weight and back strengthening exercises may solve part of your

problem.  Also check out various types of foot ware.  Sometimes poorly

fitting shoes will cause unnatural movement resulting in back pain.

The wrong mattress can cause back pain, a firmer mattress relieves

back pain for many.  Try replacing the box spring with a sheet of

plywood or an old door.  If the back pain is brought on by spending a

lot of time behind the wheel of a motor vehicle, try removing the

wallet or any thing carried in hind hip pockets and placing a small

pillow in the small of the back.  If a heavy bag is carried on one

shoulder reduce amount carried and replace with a hand held bag or

'fanny pack'.



If the pain source is due to bowel difficulties, try altering your

diet until you find the combination that gives you regular movement

and no back pain.  For constipation, try adding onion or garlic to the

diet.  For diarrhea, try eating more cheese.  Add roughage if movement

is just irregular and inconsistent.



Also check out herbs and foods that increase the calcium, iron and

vitamin C in your diet.  Lack of calcium can cause muscle pain,

especially in the lower leg.  The iron and vitamin C aid in the

absorbtion of the calcium.



>>also herbs that work for depression & anixity! sorry for

>>my spelling! any advice would be helpful!



Again, first identify the source of the difficulty.  Do you consume

large quantities of caffeine, alcohol or other mood effecting foods

(chocolate counts)?  Remove or at least reduce these foods in your

diet.



Are you getting enough sleep on a regular pattern?  Sleep deprivation

can cause depression and anxiety.  In our fast paced modern world we

too often get too little sleep on a regular pattern.  Too much sleep

can also cause difficulties.  Look for a schedule that allows seven to

ten hours sleep.  Retire to bed at the same time each day.  When you

wake refreshed, get up.  After a couple of weeks you should have an

idea of how much sleep your body needs.  If you are not getting enough

sleep, you may sleep longer the first few sleep cycles.  Naps are not

just for young children, most of us would be more productive if we

learned to nap.



Again a balanced diet has much to do with depression and anxiety.

Increase your intake of B complex vitamins to aid in relief of either

depression or anxiety.  Reduce intake of sugars in general and high

processed sugars in particular.  Onion and garlic can cause drowsiness

if over eaten or eaten when already tired.



>Oh, my, the male version of me!  I would like the same information.  My back

>and neck always ache and my *last*  nerve is about gone.  Thanks.



Again, why does the neck ache?  Are you sitting in an unnatural

position or having to wear some sort of head set?  Raising the level

of the computer monitor to eye level can help prevent some neck pain.

Correct this and much of your pain may be relieved.  If the above

information on the back pain does not also help the neck, try changing

the pillow used for sleeping.  Pillows with a firmer roll to rest

under the neck can improve sleep and neck comfort.  



Any stretching exercises to lengthen the back and neck will help

relieve pain causes by joints out of line.  Warm baths and hot water

bottles against cramped areas may relax muscles enough to return to

correct position.  If this fails, see a good licensed chiropractor.  A

chiropractor can help the body return to the correct shape.



YMMV, but this is what has helped me.  I still have some pain,

depression and anxiety, but I now have control of it.  The pain,

depression and anxiety no longer control my life.







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vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



From jtoth@NOSPAMlisco.com Thu Jun 25 23:43:05 1998

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--START COPY--

Wednesday June 24



Company Press Release



SOURCE: Frontier Natural Products Co-op



HerbFest '98 - August 14-16



A Medicinal Herb Workshop and Celebration for the Whole Family

Hosted by Frontier Natural Products Co-op



BOULDER, Colo., June 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Those interested in learning

more about medicinal herbs and plants this summer will find what

they are looking for at HerbFest '98. The 7th annual weekend herb

conference, hosted by Frontier Natural Products Co-op, will be held

August 14-16 on Frontier's 60- acre farm in Norway, Iowa.

Participants must register by July 21, 1998. This unique fun-filled,

family-friendly weekend is a blend of education and entertainment,

bringing together expert herbalists, medicinal herb devotees, and

interested beginners of all ages to explore herbal healing in an

informal, hands-on setting. The 1998 HerbFest is sponsored by

Frontier Natural Products Co-op, Aura Cacia, Lotus Brands, New Hope

Natural Media and the Maharishi Ayruved.



``HerbFest is a unique experience for the whole family,'' states

Steve Phillips, HerbFest Director and Frontier's Manager of Customer

Education and Social Causes. ``We combine top-notch educational

programs and outstanding speakers with a variety of fun

activities.''



The theme of this year's conference is ``Cultivating Herbal

Wisdom.'' According to Phillips, the theme incorporates three

important messages: using herbs wisely based on the knowledge of

herbal traditions, respecting the inherent wisdom of the plants and

protecting herbs in the wild by developing organically cultivated

supplies.



Top herbalists and experts from around the world who are scheduled

to speak at HerbFest include: Rosemary Gladstar, Roy Upton, Juliette

de Bairacli-Levi, Christopher Hobbs, Tieraona Low Dog, Dr. Jill

Stanbury, Jim Long and Rosita Arvigo. They'll be drawing from

traditional knowledge and current research for sessions which

include Herbal Remedies for Cancer Recovery, Honoring the Wisdom of

Our Elders, Herbs - Chemistry & Quality, Principles of Chinese

Herbalism, St. Johns Wort, Senior's Herbal Health Care and an Herbal

Ragbag - Remedies for the Whole Family.



Designed to be a relaxing festival and celebration as well as an

educational event, HerbFest includes activities ranging from

informative seminars to herb walks, tours of Frontier's warehouse

and recreational activities such as yoga and volleyball. Attendees

can mingle and share stories, knowledge and goods at a festive

``herbal bazaar,'' where they are invited to bring their herbal

wares to sell, trade or share. After a full day, the fun continues

with evening activities including live entertainment, a huge bonfire

and camping on Frontier's 60-acre farm. A complete program of

special workshops and activities is scheduled for children.



Admission cost covers the whole weekend, including all seminars and

a comprehensive seminar book, a 100% cotton HerbFest T-shirt,

on-site camping and six delicious vegetarian meals. Cost is $169 per

adult if pre-registered by July 21, 1998, $199 after that date.

Children 17 and under are admitted for $45.



For more information or to get a complete HerbFest '98 program

guide, call 1-800-669-3275 or write to HerbFest '98, P.O. Box 299,

Norway, Iowa 52318.



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From scav@hgo.net Fri Jun 26 02:37:54 1998

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	Does any one have any suggestions as to what the "normal" dosages are for

this Kava? I found it in 200mg and 250mg capsules and have tried taking one

and then , again later that day, two capsules but I don't recall any

noticable effects. 





From dolly45@my-dejanews.com Fri Jun 26 02:43:52 1998

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I have been doing some research on the historical uses of Hamamelis

virginiana (the Witch Hazel plant) for a course report.  Could anyone provide

me with some information they might have?  I am looking for accounts such as

uses by soldiers during the Revolutionary War, Civil War; uses by barbers;

uses by settlers as they moved west during the last century.  I will also

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From redwitch04@aol.com Fri Jun 26 19:07:44 1998

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Witch Hazel is traditionally used for healing cuts, scrapes and abrasions.  For

vericose veins and of course, hemmroids.



According to the "Magic and Medicine of Plants" by Reader's Digest:



"Indians taught the early settlers how to make decoctions of witch hazel barks,

twigs and leaves in various strengths for use as limiment and eyewash an din

the treatment of hemorrhoids, internal hemorrhages and excessive menstrual

flow.  (These decoctions probably contained astringent tannis).



The name witch hazel was given to the North American shrum Hamamelis virginian

by English settleser who attached some of their own lore to the American

species.  Back home,t he forked gtwigs of various European trees had been used

as divining rods to locate water and minerals.  the "witch" in the name witch

hazel does not refer to magic or broomsticks but comes from an Anglo-Saxon word

meaning "to bend".



*My own note here:  The Anglo-Saxon word meaning to "to bend" is probably

Wicce, from which the word Wicca also derives.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From eliza@talon.net Fri Jun 26 14:15:17 1998

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From: eliza <eliza@talon.net>

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Subject: RE. Raspberry Leaf Tea

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t is common knowledge through out obstetrics and midwifery that

raspberry leaf tea IS SAFE! Pick up any book on childbirth and see for

yerself.

-eliza





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>That may be true, but it isn't necessarily safe if someone is allergic

>to it. Finding out after the fact is too late.



Isn't that the way most of us find out we have allergies?



No one knows what they're alleric to until they try it. 

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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>That's essentially what I said. An allergic response in the mother can

>be damaging to the fetus, and certainly isn't helpful in any case



So you're saying that you wouldn't try anything new...anything at all..for the

nine months of pregnancy?  



>You're right about the medical degrees, but that was also why I didn't

>specify 'doctors' as such. I just meant that the use of medicines,

>herbal or otherwise, should be particularly closely supervised in

>pregnancy.



There are many teriffic books out there on these subjects, people are educating

themselves more and more everyday instead of running to someone who is supposed

to know or should know.



Pregnancy isn't a disease that needs to be closely monitored...it's a perfectly

natural thing...women have been doing it for thousands of years before those

who should know ever came along.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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I was wondering if I could preserve the life potency of an herb by vacuum sealing it 

and freezing that pac after drying.



Any ideas?





From mary.anderson@virgin.net Fri Jun 26 23:24:21 1998

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From: "Mary M Anderson" <mary.anderson@virgin.net>

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(Thanks to everyone who took the time and the trouble to reply to the

question re the taking of raspberry leaf tea posed on behalf of my daughter.

Apart from the postings quite a few people e-mailed me directly.)



Now here`are some questions  I`d like help with, please.



Can Ginseng be grown in the UK ?



Can one buy the seeds in the UK?  If not, is it legal to purchase them from

the USA?



I apologise in advance for my stupidity but at the moment I have no access

to this sort of information.



                My thanks,

                                  Mary







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"Mary M Anderson" (mary.anderson@virgin.net) writes:

> Can Ginseng be grown in the UK ?

> 

> Can one buy the seeds in the UK?  If not, is it legal to purchase them from

> the USA?



I don't know the answer.  Mrs. Grieve's herbal has a long section 

about efforts to grow Goldenseal in UK, which apparently they had

some trouble with but were able to succeed.   The conditions for

ginseng are much the same.  I have never heard of it being grown in 

Europe at all,  but there is no doubt that it has been tried by 

someone.



The seed must be kept moist, and are shipped in moist sand.

IF shipping overseas, some fast method would be good to make 

sure they arrive viable.



For the same reason, they have to be planted right away after receiving.

So they need to be planted in the dormant autumn or early spring.



Carlos Lee Murray



	Ginseng Cooperators Group info is at

	http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/









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joy



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On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:24:21 +0100, "Mary M Anderson" <mary.anderson@virgin.net> wrote:

> (Thanks to everyone who took the time and the trouble to reply to the

> question re the taking of raspberry leaf tea posed on behalf of my daughter.

> Apart from the postings quite a few people e-mailed me directly.)

> 

> Now here`are some questions  I`d like help with, please.

> 

> Can Ginseng be grown in the UK ?

> 

> Can one buy the seeds in the UK?  If not, is it legal to purchase them from

> the USA?

> 



If you have sandy or sandy loam soil and plant ginseng in raised

 beds where excess water can drain away, you can probably grow 

ginseng. It also needs about 80% shade.



I don't know if anyone sells ginseng seed there, but you can 

certainly buy seed from Canada or the US. In fact, even from 

my company. The problem is not sending it out from here, the 

problem will be in importing it into the UK. You would have to 

find out what the import restrictions are from UK customs.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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From janf@dimensional.com Sat Jun 27 01:01:03 1998

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From: janf@dimensional.com (Jan K. France)

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I have a nice patch of woolly thyme in the rock garden. I'd like to use it

as a culinary herb, but haven't been able to find any source that says

it's OK to use for that purpose. Does anyone know if it's edible, and if

so, could you please post your source?



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From tzant@email.msn.com Sat Jun 27 01:58:02 1998

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Hi, I am putting together a newsletter regarding herbs that inprove all

aspects of sexual functions. Treatment of impotence, low sex drive,premature

ejaculation ect. any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Wayne

Neil Stone wrote in message ...

>Hi

>

>I am currently doing research for a new book that I am writing about

>Medicinal Herbs, and am looking for your help....

>

>I would love to hear from all of you and for you to help with the research

I

>am doing.

>

>This will involve the following!

>

>I would like you to tell me about your favorite herbs and plants that you

>have first hand experience with.

>What do you take?

>Why do you take it?

>How do you feel? Does it work?

>How long have you been taking it?

>ETC..........

>

>If you want to tell me about more than one of your favorite herbs, then

>please do......

>I NEED A LOT OF DATA FOR MY RESEARCH............

>

>Please reply to the group or feel free to email me at n25s@msn.com

>

>Thanks in advance to you all, I look forward to hearing from you and

keeping

>you up to date with my research

>

>Neil.

>

>

>







From unixon_31@hotmail.com Sat Jun 27 03:35:43 1998

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From: unixon <unixon_31@hotmail.com>

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Does anyone know any research study on net that can be located related

to half-life , potency of phytochemical>

I am looking fr specificly SAPONIN and lIGNAN

Thesed are popular chemicals found in soy , flax, sknown to have

prevented  breast cancer.

I am suprised that no half-life info is on them yet many 

tablets are turned out every month by companies.



From seasonss@mindspring.com Sat Jun 27 05:31:31 1998

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I've been having great difficulty locating vervain seeds. Does anyone have

any ideas.







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From eliza@talon.net Sat Jun 27 12:28:07 1998

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Horehound Candy:

1 cup horehound tea

4 cups sugar

2 cups dark or light corn syrup



Boil horehound leaves to make a strong tea. Drain, reserving one cup

liquid. Add the cup of tea to the other ingredients and boil until it

just starts to caramel. Put onto a flat greased cookie sheet. Start

cutting with kitchen shears or scissors as soon as it starts to harden

on edges.



Does anyone else have and herbal candy recipes? Maybe something to make

from mints?

BB, eliza





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>Horehound Candy:

>1 cup horehound tea

>4 cups sugar

>2 cups dark or light corn syrup

>

>Boil horehound leaves to make a strong tea. Drain, reserving one cup

>liquid. Add the cup of tea to the other ingredients and boil until it

>just starts to caramel. Put onto a flat greased cookie sheet. Start

>cutting with kitchen shears or scissors as soon as it starts to harden

>on edges.

>

>Does anyone else have and herbal candy recipes? Maybe something to make

>from mints?

>BB, eliza



How much plant material to water in the tea?



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Just like making tea although I use one heaping teaspoon of dried

horehound. Oh, and it is one cup water.

eliza





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From: Liz Swanson <lswanson@sfo.com>

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eliza wrote:

> 

> Just like making tea although I use one heaping teaspoon of dried

> horehound. Oh, and it is one cup water.

> eliza



BTW, horehound is incredibly easy to grow--not picky about soil, water,

bugs don't like it...it's even naturalized in many places.



/liz



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LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> >Horehound Candy:

> >1 cup horehound tea

> >4 cups sugar

> >2 cups dark or light corn syrup

> >

> >Boil horehound leaves to make a strong tea. Drain, reserving one cup

> >liquid. Add the cup of tea to the other ingredients and boil until it

> >just starts to caramel.







BOIL TO 300 DEGREES







 Put onto a flat greased cookie sheet. Start

> >cutting with kitchen shears or scissors as soon as it starts to harden

> >on edges.

> >

> >Does anyone else have and herbal candy recipes? Maybe something to make

> >from mints?

> >BB, eliza

> 

> How much plant material to water in the tea?



From jmgriggs@fas.harvard.edu Sat Jun 27 15:26:30 1998

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Are there any herbal approaches in treating or easing the endometrioma on

the ovary?



Thank you in advance.



Ivana



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From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

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Here is the best and simplest way I have found to control/kill all insects.

It is nontoxic and cheap.

It works every time, if done properly.



Basically, this technique takes into consideration the reality of the type

of lungs which insects have, called 'book-lungs'. These lungs are protected

by wax-covered hairs. This is why you can submerge an insect in water, and

it will not drown. But if you put one drop of soap into that water, the

insect dies immediately, because the soap destroys the integrity of the

protective wax, allowing water to enter the bug.



Soap is not toxic to insects, and they will not drown unless there is

enough water to drown them. It is the combination of soap (a small amount)

and _water_ that is fatal.



Directions:



For use on food-plants: pour 1/4 cup Ivory SOAP FLAKES into a 2-gallon

pump-sprayer, and slowly fill with water. Allow the soap to dissolve.



For general use: Pour 1-oz of liquid dish soap into sprayer and fill slowly.



Use: Spray insects with solution, wetting them liberally. They will die.



Hornets, wasps, stinging flying insects: Adjust spray to 'fan' setting, so

that any hornets which fly toward you will be forced to go through the

dropletts. They drop to the ground. Spray them some more.  You may also

force the nozze into the nest (after dark, please!) and saturate the nest.

All will die.



Ant nests and hills: Pour soap-water onto nest or hill. I have seen 3-ft

tall hills shrink to nothing in 24 hours.



Remember, this is NOT toxic to the bugs, they simply drown, if you use

enough water. I have used this for several years, and have never seen it

fail.



Once, I was repairing a shake roof, and discovered a hornet nest in the

wood I was hammering on. Ouch! I sprayed the buggers as they issued from

their hole, they all fizzled out and died as they tried to fly. One sprayer

of solution has lasted me an entire season.



Not that the difference between genuine SOAP and dishwasher solution is

toxicity to humans; Ivory flakes are SOAP, non-toxic on food plants.



I have found this to work better than the Pyrethrin-based 'non-toxic'

food-plant sprays.



Let me know of your results.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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Dear Gene Poole - many hornets, wasps and ants are beneficial.......cb

    ==Gene Poole== wrote in message ...

    Here is the best and simplest way I have found to control/kill all

insects.

    It is nontoxic and cheap.

    It works every time, if done properly.



    Basically, this technique takes into consideration the reality of the

type

    of lungs which insects have, called 'book-lungs'. These lungs are

protected

    by wax-covered hairs. This is why you can submerge an insect in water,

and

    it will not drown. But if you put one drop of soap into that water, the

    insect dies immediately, because the soap destroys the integrity of the

    protective wax, allowing water to enter the bug.



    Soap is not toxic to insects, and they will not drown unless there is

    enough water to drown them. It is the combination of soap (a small

amount)

    and _water_ that is fatal.



    Directions:



    For use on food-plants: pour 1/4 cup Ivory SOAP FLAKES into a 2-gallon

    pump-sprayer, and slowly fill with water. Allow the soap to dissolve.



    For general use: Pour 1-oz of liquid dish soap into sprayer and fill

slowly.



    Use: Spray insects with solution, wetting them liberally. They will die.



    Hornets, wasps, stinging flying insects: Adjust spray to 'fan' setting,

so

    that any hornets which fly toward you will be forced to go through the

    dropletts. They drop to the ground. Spray them some more.  You may also

    force the nozze into the nest (after dark, please!) and saturate the

nest.

    All will die.



    Ant nests and hills: Pour soap-water onto nest or hill. I have seen 3-ft

    tall hills shrink to nothing in 24 hours.



    Remember, this is NOT toxic to the bugs, they simply drown, if you use

    enough water. I have used this for several years, and have never seen it

    fail.



    Once, I was repairing a shake roof, and discovered a hornet nest in the

    wood I was hammering on. Ouch! I sprayed the buggers as they issued from

    their hole, they all fizzled out and died as they tried to fly. One

sprayer

    of solution has lasted me an entire season.



    Not that the difference between genuine SOAP and dishwasher solution is

    toxicity to humans; Ivory flakes are SOAP, non-toxic on food plants.



    I have found this to work better than the Pyrethrin-based 'non-toxic'

    food-plant sprays.



    Let me know of your results.



    ==Gene Poole==



    --

    Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance







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> Directions:

>

>    For use on food-plants: pour 1/4 cup Ivory SOAP FLAKES into a 2-gallon

>    pump-sprayer, and slowly fill with water. Allow the soap to dissolve.

>

>    For general use: Pour 1-oz of liquid dish soap into sprayer and fill

>slowly.

>

>    Use: Spray insects with solution, wetting them liberally. They will die.

>

>    Hornets, wasps, stinging flying insects: Adjust spray to 'fan' setting,

>so

>    that any hornets which fly toward you will be forced to go through the

>    dropletts. They drop to the ground. Spray them some more.  You may also

>    force the nozze into the nest (after dark, please!) and saturate the

>nest.

>    All will die.

>

>    Ant nests and hills: Pour soap-water onto nest or hill. I have seen 3-ft

>    tall hills shrink to nothing in 24 hours.

>

>    Remember, this is NOT toxic to the bugs, they simply drown, if you use

>    enough water. I have used this for several years, and have never seen it

>    fail.

>

>    Once, I was repairing a shake roof, and discovered a hornet nest in the

>    wood I was hammering on. Ouch! I sprayed the buggers as they issued from

>    their hole, they all fizzled out and died as they tried to fly. One

>sprayer

>    of solution has lasted me an entire season.

>

>    Not that the difference between genuine SOAP and dishwasher solution is

>    toxicity to humans; Ivory flakes are SOAP, non-toxic on food plants.

>

>    I have found this to work better than the Pyrethrin-based 'non-toxic'

>    food-plant sprays.

>

>    Let me know of your results.

>

>    ==Gene Poole==



What does this do to the mico-organisms in the soil?



From kath801@aol.com Mon Jun 29 06:08:00 1998

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Gene Poole said::>>Here is the best and >simplest way I have found to

control/kill all >insects.

>It is nontoxic and cheap.

>It works every time, if done properly.





         So.....that would explain, perhaps, the oddball luck I've had with

occasional fruit-fly infestations?

         I found out that if I put a coffee cup out with water, dish soap, and

a little vinegar, all the fruit flies went in there and died. Poof, no more

fruit flies.





kathy

http://members.aol.com/Kath801/index.html <-what I do with my offline

time...when I have offline time...



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kath801@aol.com (Kath801) wrote:





>         I found out that if I put a coffee cup out with water, dish soap, and

>a little vinegar, all the fruit flies went in there and died. Poof, no more

>fruit flies.

  yes - the smell of vinegar attracts them because they think

it's coming from a rotting fruit.  Ay fruit-water-soap combo

should work.



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Traditional use of Kava kava was (and is!) in the liquid form, or in rare

occasions in the form of a highly concentrated paste, of which a tiny amount

is placed on the tongue-this paste is highly potent.  Kava kava is water-

soluble which means that water is the medium best suited for extracting the

active constituents.  Using a water/alcohol combination, one can pull out

all

of the active constituents of the plant-thereby achieving a balance of the

whole plant-all of its energy, all of its constituents-this is important,

especially since I believe that all of a plant's constituents are essential

to

the integrity of the plant as herbal medicine.  The strength of an herbal

extract comes from well-nourished soil, careful growing, proper harvesting

and

premium traditional extraction techniques. I do not believe that anyone can

improve on Nature's own creations.  I have tried Kava kava in many forms

over

the years.  I have the best results from the liquid form.  I do believe it

is

for these reasons noted above.  However, I am not an herbalist and I don't

know for sure why that is.  An herbalist friend of mine told me when I asked

her to teach me more about herbs and their effect on the body: "experiment

with them yourself.  Go slow and start with small dosages.  Keep a pad of

paper handy and note your body's reactions.  Herbs work differently for

everyone.  I might have a completely different reaction to an herbal extract

than you.  Take your time and have fun."  She cautioned, of course, to check

the literature prior to experimenting, and to follow the advice of

professionals.



I have heard of headaches as side effects when the dosage is too high too

quickly.  My recommendation based on my own experimentation is to start with

a

low dosage and go slow until you find the dose that works best for you.

Sorry

this is not hard and fast (magic bullet), but if I've learned anything with

herbal medicine, it's to take it slow.









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Hi - recently at my local garden store I spotted a chasteberry (Vitex

agnus-castus) plant.  It was fairly mature and fairly expensive - about

$40 Cdn.  In a couple of months I will be moving into a house with a

garden and I would love to plant Vitex, because it sounds very attractive

as well as being a herb I use from time to time.



So my question is (before I spring for it):  Will this plant grow on the

inner west coast of British Columbia, Canada?  We have a very mild

climate, although it rains a lot.  The yard I will be gardening in faces

north and is shaded a bit, although there is the option of a sunny (but

still north-facing) front yard to plant in also.



What kind of soil etc does this plant need?



Many thanks.



Kathy

 -- 

       

                   ***************************                      

Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight

Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

                                 - Bruce Cockburn



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I grow a differnet variety of vitex here is hot, sunny Texas, but vitex

is almost weed like.  It gorws fast, tall, and wide.  I love it!  But

plant it wherever you want - it loves sun, but works well under

shade...away from the house.  we keep ous trimmed up more treelike, with

many "trunks", but I have seen them as shrubs, too.  Hummingbirds love

the flowers, as do bees.  We improved our heavy clay soil some, but I

have seen them growing up in the cracks of sidewalks, too!

     Sharon



Kathryn Ford wrote:

> 

> Hi - recently at my local garden store I spotted a chasteberry (Vitex

> agnus-castus) plant.  It was fairly mature and fairly expensive - about

> $40 Cdn.  In a couple of months I will be moving into a house with a

> garden and I would love to plant Vitex, because it sounds very attractive

> as well as being a herb I use from time to time.

> 

> So my question is (before I spring for it):  Will this plant grow on the

> inner west coast of British Columbia, Canada?  We have a very mild

> climate, although it rains a lot.  The yard I will be gardening in faces

> north and is shaded a bit, although there is the option of a sunny (but

> still north-facing) front yard to plant in also.

> 

> What kind of soil etc does this plant need?

> 

> Many thanks.

> 

> Kathy

>  --

> 

>                    ***************************

> Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight

> Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

>                                  - Bruce Cockburn



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Need feedback......for a customer.  Has a son with warts on feet, would prefer

natural treatment as opposed to burning off the little buggers.  My

understanding is it is viral and can be contagious.  A younger son is now

developing warts on feet also.



From what I am researching...pointing to starting with building immune system,

but differing external treatments.  



Any suggestions?  or has anyone struggled and won with this dilema?

Please email me with suggestions....thanks!

Victor  (Diana)

alt.folklore.herbs



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Victor06 wrote:

> 

> Need feedback......for a customer.  Has a son with warts on feet, would prefer

> natural treatment as opposed to burning off the little buggers.  My

> understanding is it is viral and can be contagious.  A younger son is now

> developing warts on feet also.

> 

> From what I am researching...pointing to starting with building immune system,

> but differing external treatments.

> 

> Any suggestions?  or has anyone struggled and won with this dilema?

> Please email me with suggestions....thanks!

> Victor  (Diana)

> alt.folklore.herbs





My daughter suffered terribly with plantar warts and had them removed

several times and in various ways.  I would NOT suggest they be cut out!

Having scar tissue under your feet can also be very painful to walk on

and will cause discomfort in shoes.



I will suggest what worked for my daughter.  The podiatrist put a little

bit of the caustic salve on and bandaged her foot.  This is to "draw" it

to a head whereby he will "top it off" and apply move salve.  During

this entire process, she was told to take 10,000 IU of Vitamin A for

only 30 days...no longer!



After six different ways of trying to get rid of these and always having

them come back...this was the only thing that worked.  BTW, my daughter

was 6 yrs old at the time and she is now 23 and has never had them come

back since!



Good Luck and I advise YOU to be the one to suggest this possible

treatment and watch what kind of treatment the doctor suggests...it will

save your son a lot of pain!



Fidget



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The juice of the Dandelion stem as well as the juice from a milkweedstem

will help to get rid of warts. Has to be applied several times a day.

Also the juice from cedarberries ( green).





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If you mean planter warts, cod liver oil removed my son's



Victor06 <victor06@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998062717552200.NAA23785@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> Need feedback......for a customer.  Has a son with warts on feet, would

prefer

> natural treatment as opposed to burning off the little buggers.  My

> understanding is it is viral and can be contagious.  A younger son is now

> developing warts on feet also.

> 

> From what I am researching...pointing to starting with building immune

system,

> but differing external treatments.  

> 

> Any suggestions?  or has anyone struggled and won with this dilema?

> Please email me with suggestions....thanks!

> Victor  (Diana)

> alt.folklore.herbs

> 



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Victor & Diana,



Check out the bloodroot paste for warts at Alpha Omega Labs site:



http://www.altcancer.com/bpaste.htm



Or, here's an alternative to that.  My niece is 9 years old, and her doctor

prescribed Tagamet (sp?) to get rid of her warts.  According to the doctor,

Tagamet boosts the immune system and, thus, gets rid of the warts.  It worked

like a charm for her...got rid of tons of them that were on her knees.



In article <1998062717552200.NAA23785@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

  victor06@aol.com (Victor06) wrote:

> Need feedback......for a customer.  Has a son with warts on feet, would prefer

> natural treatment as opposed to burning off the little buggers.  My

> understanding is it is viral and can be contagious.  A younger son is now

> developing warts on feet also.

>

> From what I am researching...pointing to starting with building immune system,

> but differing external treatments.

>

> Any suggestions?  or has anyone struggled and won with this dilema?

> Please email me with suggestions....thanks!

> Victor  (Diana)

> alt.folklore.herbs



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I have one on my hand and read in health book to put a drop of Vit A in 

AM, a drop of castor oil in afternoon and drop of lemon juice in PM.  I 

keep it covered with bandaid (looney toons or sesame street for laughs) 

and it has shrunk in half already.  Lou





From Fidla@aol.com Sat Jun 27 21:54:29 1998

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>I tried 2 ounces mixed with oil (as recommended) and it did squat.  Guess

>I should up the dose.





Jon-



There are a lot of really good articles for you to read about this.  Perhaps

you purchased inferior quality kava.  Did you check for the kind of

kavalactones present in the product you chose?  (there are 6 kavalactones,

each with different properties).  Also, what about the amount of kavain

present?  Did you look for that?



Although I am strongly opposed to "standardization" as it is known in the

herbal world, standards of some kind are imperative because there are so

many different varieties and strains of kava.  Different varieties of kava

have different percentages of each of the six different kavalactones (the

active constituent of kava-responsible for the muscle relaxation sensation).

Studies have been done to find out what part of the plant has more

kavalactones and prove that the above-ground portion of the plant contains

higher amounts of dihydrokavain and dihydromethysticin "which are most

effective for everyday problems such as muscular tension, uterine cramps,

sleeplessness and stress."-J. Ram.  The root portion of the plant is most

commonly harvested.  The root also has these chemicals, but in much smaller

amounts.  The root has much greater amounts of the kavalactone kavain-which

is the element most associated with the narcotic effect, or mood-enhancing

quality-a quality not necessary for daily use.



As a consumer, you have to be informed and aware.  Find out where your Kava

is from.  Kava from Fiji and Vanuatu is generally of high quality, and so is

Hawaiian kava.  Suppliers from other regions of the world may cut corners

and ship lesser   quality materials.  If the label on the bottle doesn't say

where the kava is from, call the manufacturer and ask.  If there's no phone

number on the bottle, don't buy that brand.  I believe that a company that

doesn't want you to contact them is of questionable business nature and

should be avoided.



But, then, that's just me.



Fidla







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>As a consumer, you have to be informed and aware.  Find out where your Kava

>is from.  Kava from Fiji and Vanuatu is generally of high quality, and so is

>Hawaiian kava.  Suppliers from other regions of the world may cut corners

>and ship lesser   quality materials.  If the label on the bottle doesn't say

>where the kava is from, call the manufacturer and ask.  If there's no phone

>number on the bottle, don't buy that brand.  I believe that a company that

>doesn't want you to contact them is of questionable business nature and

>should be avoided.

>





The age of the plants is also a major factor in the potency of the product. With

the recent demand for Kava, plants are sometimes harvested after a couple of

years, rather than the five years or so of the past.







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Has anyone  tried  Thymic Protein A for immune disorders?  What is your

experience??





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Our 1 1/2 year old dog is fear aggressive and under a vet's supervision

has taken a number of antidepressants (at different times) to try to

help take the edge off of his behavior.  To date nothing has helped him,

and Prozac made him sick.  I am starting to give him St. Johns Wort,

hoping that this might help whatever chemical imbalance is causing his

aggression (he also has had a grand mal epileptic seizure).  I know this

isn't a dog newsgroup but you folks are so knowledgeable about herbs

that I thought someone could offer suggestions, advice.  Our dog is a

neutered male weighing 60 pounds.  Our vet had no objections to our

trying this herb.  Thanks very much.



Elizabeth



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>Our 1 1/2 year old dog is fear aggressive and under a vet's supervision

>has taken a number of antidepressants (at different times) to try to

>help take the edge off of his behavior.  To date nothing has helped him,

>and Prozac made him sick.  I am starting to give him St. Johns Wort,

>hoping that this might help whatever chemical imbalance is causing his

>aggression (he also has had a grand mal epileptic seizure).  I know this

>isn't a dog newsgroup but you folks are so knowledgeable about herbs

>that I thought someone could offer suggestions, advice.  Our dog is a

>neutered male weighing 60 pounds.  Our vet had no objections to our

>trying this herb.  Thanks very much.

>

>Elizabeth



SJW is more like "sunshine in a bottle" than a miracle cure for depression, in

my opinion. If you want to give it a try why not start at 5 drops 2 or 3 times

a day and work up from that. 



Good luck!





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I found what I think is a species of hypericum growing near the coast,

on roadsides.



It smells like the capsules of ground st. john's that I have, and it

looks exactly like the pictures i have found in books and on the net,

with the exception that it was a big bush (hypericum densiflorum?)



when i squeeze the buds i notice a slight reddishness on the flower

buds, but not on the leaves like preforatum. The smell is pretty

strong, and sweet.  this is my first time trying to wildcraft this

herb, i hope i picked the right thing, i went out armed with pictures

and really checked it out on the net. any advice?

*New Age* is really just a nice way of saying *Spiritual Mafia*.



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If you do get it identified as St. John's wort, be sure and collect

seeds _only_. If everyone goes around harvesting St. John's Wort it's

going to be lost in the wild - like many wild herbs. I'm not trying to

sound harsh, just realistic. ;)



-Val



Jezzie wrote:

> 

> I found what I think is a species of hypericum growing near the coast,

> on roadsides.

> 

> It smells like the capsules of ground st. john's that I have, and it

> looks exactly like the pictures i have found in books and on the net,

> with the exception that it was a big bush (hypericum densiflorum?)

> 

> when i squeeze the buds i notice a slight reddishness on the flower

> buds, but not on the leaves like preforatum. The smell is pretty

> strong, and sweet.  this is my first time trying to wildcraft this

> herb, i hope i picked the right thing, i went out armed with pictures

> and really checked it out on the net. any advice?

> *New Age* is really just a nice way of saying *Spiritual Mafia*.



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sun Jun 28 08:13:01 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>If you do get it identified as St. John's wort, be sure and collect

>seeds _only_. If everyone goes around harvesting St. John's Wort it's

>going to be lost in the wild - like many wild herbs. I'm not trying to

>sound harsh, just realistic. ;)



Val - 

  St. John's Wort is a hardy imported weed in California.  It

grows by the acre in some of the poorer soils.



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So once were many herbs, like the california poppy. However, due to over

harvesting, ALL herbs are on the decline. So as it stands NOW there may

be an abundance of St. John's Wort, but in the future? Which is why I

recommend only collecting seeds from herbs in the wild, leaving a few

plants' seeds out of the patch untouched. But again, that's just me. :)

:) :) 



"My this looks pretty"



(*pluck*)



"I can snag these and sell em"



(*yank*)



-Val





Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>   St. John's Wort is a hardy imported weed in California.  It

> grows by the acre in some of the poorer soils.



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Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>x-no-archive: yes

>

>So once were many herbs, like the california poppy. However, due to over

>harvesting, ALL herbs are on the decline. So as it stands NOW there may

>be an abundance of St. John's Wort, but in the future?.

  It's commercially grown ... and an imported weed, not a "wild

herb".  You must not have driven the San Joiquin Valley: most of

the yellow flowers in the uncultivated fields are SJW.



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On 27 Jun 1998 22:13:01 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:

>

>>If you do get it identified as St. John's wort, be sure and collect

>>seeds _only_. If everyone goes around harvesting St. John's Wort it's

>>going to be lost in the wild - like many wild herbs. I'm not trying to

>>sound harsh, just realistic. ;)

>

>Val - 

>  St. John's Wort is a hardy imported weed in California.  It

>grows by the acre in some of the poorer soils.





Dear Val,



I totally understand your concern about these matters, and I assure

you that I am a responsible and ethical wildcrafter. The St. John's

wort I found, it went on for what seemed miles up and down the road,

just like yarrow and chammomile grow. I certainly only take enough of

any herb for myself and my family.  



You bring up an interesting point in another post about people picking

and selling; someone sent me an email the other day and said that

where they were, all of the st john's wort had been stripped from the

fields, by people who were selling it to herb companies. I think your

concerns would be better directed at these herb companies making big

bucks off of "wildcrafted" herbs.  St. John's Wort is a common weed

growing just about everywhere, what is shameful is the high $$$

figures it commands at your local health food store!  A tincture of

St. John's Wort, standardized, will cost about 20 bucks and last about

2 weeks.



Myself and my family have no health insurance, I take care of all of

our needs with herbal medicine.  One of our health problems is extreme

skin sensitivities which cause much irritation, for this I wildcraft a

lot of yarrow, it grows in abundance everywhere along the coast. I

could never afford to purchase what I need of this herb in a health

food store.  



You also mentioned a "lack" of california poppies in one of your

posts. This is simply not true. They are everywhere, in abundance. 



I go wildcrafting about once a week. Often I run across flowers and

herbs not growing in abundance, and I leave them alone. The issue of

personal responsibility is one that I take seriously, but I also take

seriously the issue of herb companies who sell common weeds at

astronomical prices. Who is forcing these companies and corporations

jumping on the herb bandwagon, stripping the land, to take their

responsibilities seriously? I see people in this NG getting ruffled

about "ethical wildcrafting", yet how do you know that the herbs you

just purchased at the health food store weren't just stripped off the

land indiscriminately? I believe it is far better, health wise and

ethically speaking to wildcraft your own herbs or grow them (if you

have a house and garden) than to purchase them. 



Jezzie

*New Age* is really just a nice way of saying *Spiritual Mafia*.



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Jezzie wrote:

> Dear Val,

> 

> I totally understand your concern about these matters, and I assure

> you that I am a responsible and ethical wildcrafter. The St. John's

> wort I found, it went on for what seemed miles up and down the road,

> just like yarrow and chammomile grow. I certainly only take enough of

> any herb for myself and my family.



Great! I may sound a little huffy when it comes to this.However i've

been cruising herb message areas for years. I've found the majority of

people who wildcraft (who posted about it) would strip the land bare.

Perhaps i'm a little too trigger happy on pushing this message. ;)



> You bring up an interesting point in another post about people picking

> and selling; someone sent me an email the other day and said that

> where they were, all of the st john's wort had been stripped from the

> fields, by people who were selling it to herb companies. I think your

> concerns would be better directed at these herb companies making big

> bucks off of "wildcrafted" herbs.



True, but i've ran into people who've wildcrafted for themselves, only

to sell them to herb companies to make, "semi-big bucks". :)



>  St. John's Wort is a common weed

> growing just about everywhere, what is shameful is the high $$$

> figures it commands at your local health food store!  A tincture of

> St. John's Wort, standardized, will cost about 20 bucks and last about

> 2 weeks.



Which is crazy. >:) 



> 

> Myself and my family have no health insurance, I take care of all of

> our needs with herbal medicine.



Good to hear! :) 



> One of our health problems is extreme

> skin sensitivities which cause much irritation, for this I wildcraft a

> lot of yarrow, it grows in abundance everywhere along the coast. I

> could never afford to purchase what I need of this herb in a health

> food store.



What kind of yarrow? I've found white and red yarrow growing wild -

ended up buying some white yarrow, however, from Horizon Herbs. Has

established itself 'wild' throughout my yard. ;-)



> You also mentioned a "lack" of california poppies in one of your

> posts. This is simply not true. They are everywhere, in abundance.



I failed to provide a time frame. ;-) California had more of their

poppies growing 'everywhere' then you see today. (ala: the golden state) 

Within the last 10-15 years there has been a large decline.



> I go wildcrafting about once a week. Often I run across flowers and

> herbs not growing in abundance, and I leave them alone. The issue of

> personal responsibility is one that I take seriously, but I also take

> seriously the issue of herb companies who sell common weeds at

> astronomical prices. Who is forcing these companies and corporations

> jumping on the herb bandwagon, stripping the land, to take their

> responsibilities seriously? I see people in this NG getting ruffled

> about "ethical wildcrafting", yet how do you know that the herbs you

> just purchased at the health food store weren't just stripped off the

> land indiscriminately? I believe it is far better, health wise and

> ethically speaking to wildcraft your own herbs or grow them (if you

> have a house and garden) than to purchase them.



Very true. ;) I know now not to wave my "ethical wildcrafting" rain

stick in this NG. :-) I'm glad to hear others are so informed.



-Val

----=-

Christopher Robin, he falls down the stairs, his night shirt ripped

open, his flesh torn and bare.



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On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:36 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:





>

>Jezzie wrote:



>> You bring up an interesting point in another post about people picking

>> and selling; someone sent me an email the other day and said that

>> where they were, all of the st john's wort had been stripped from the

>> fields, by people who were selling it to herb companies. I think your

>> concerns would be better directed at these herb companies making big

>> bucks off of "wildcrafted" herbs.

>

>True, but i've ran into people who've wildcrafted for themselves, only

>to sell them to herb companies to make, "semi-big bucks". :)

>



A local health food store in my old town used to have its herbs in

jars in a big display case, many of these herbs were marked

"natuarally wildcrafted", I asked the clerk one day where they bought

their "wildcrafted herbs" and he told me that the owner of the store

went out in the wild and harvested! At the time I was first getting

into herbs and really didnt understand the ecological consequences

(and we arent talking common weeds, he had collected some of the rarer

species and was selling them for big $$$) and thought this was a good

thing, lol. 



Many times on the labels of herb preparations I will se the words

"natuarally wildcrafted", or something to that effect, indicating that

they were collected from the wild. Many of the larger herb companies

do use wildcrafters to harvest for them, as well as purchasing from

farmers. I think many people, who just dont know any better look at a

label and see "naturally wildcrafted" and think, great!  It's natural.

it's wild, it must be good! lol.  These large corporations selling

herbs are often just as evil as the large corporations that spill oil

in the ocean. 



I suppose if a couple of thing were different,  the corporations and

their "wildcrafting" was regulated somehow and/or the company has a

policy of responsible wildcrafting and they could gaurentee that the

wildcrafters selling them herb were acting responsibly. But then, they

would also have to lower their prices for common weeds to be credible

as well. 





>>  St. John's Wort is a common weed

>> growing just about everywhere, what is shameful is the high $$$

>> figures it commands at your local health food store!  A tincture of

>> St. John's Wort, standardized, will cost about 20 bucks and last about

>> 2 weeks.

>

>Which is crazy. >:) 

>



Oh yes it's completely crazy, but they know people will shell out the

$$$ for it. Americans dont like to do for themselves for the most

part; we like clean pretty packages of pre mixed goodies. The even

crazier reality, is that when you purchase herbs off of the shelf, no

matter what it says on the label, it could be anything, because herbal

medicine is not regulated here like it is in europe. In fact, as far

as st. john's wort is concerned, I have been advised by a professional

in the herbal field not to purchase st. john's wort unless it is from

germany, because the hypericum content is regulated and standardized.

I paid 25 bucks for a tincture made in germany. I cant afford health

insurance, I also cant afford to drop a 100 bucks every two weeks at

my local health food store for the herbs i need.







>> One of our health problems is extreme

>> skin sensitivities which cause much irritation, for this I wildcraft a

>> lot of yarrow, it grows in abundance everywhere along the coast. I

>> could never afford to purchase what I need of this herb in a health

>> food store.

>

>What kind of yarrow? I've found white and red yarrow growing wild -

>ended up buying some white yarrow, however, from Horizon Herbs. Has

>established itself 'wild' throughout my yard. ;-)



I have never seen the red, does it look like the white? The white is

everywhere along the coast along with the st. john's wort ;-), big

patches and in some case I have seen fields. 



I wish I had a yard! We have a small balcony I grow provence lavender,

white sage, pennyroyal, greek orgeno, lemon thyme, rue and jasmine.





>> You also mentioned a "lack" of california poppies in one of your

>> posts. This is simply not true. They are everywhere, in abundance.

>

>I failed to provide a time frame. ;-) California had more of their

>poppies growing 'everywhere' then you see today. (ala: the golden state) 

>Within the last 10-15 years there has been a large decline.



I just moved here a couple of months ago, so it looks like the

poppyfields out of "the wizard of oz" to me, ;-)      





>

>Very true. ;) I know now not to wave my "ethical wildcrafting" rain

>stick in this NG. :-) I'm glad to hear others are so informed.

>



I would say keep up the good work Val, you did good by speaking up

about this. "Newbies" to the joys of an herbal lifestyle should be

well informed and this is an important issue.



Jezzie

*New Age* is really just a nice way of saying *Spiritual Mafia*.



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Jezzie wrote:

> 

> A local health food store in my old town used to have its herbs in

> jars in a big display case, many of these herbs were marked

> "natuarally wildcrafted"



LOL.. Reminds me of the first coffee shop selling wildcrafted herbs I

stopped in (years ago). The owner (who knew nothing about herbs) was

boasting about the fact that he found these growing -right- along side a

freeway offramp. (grin) Imagine his dismay when I reminded him that the

plants not only were stripped bare by his collecting, but that they had

been exposed to massive amounts of pollution on a daily basis. :)



>  These large corporations selling

> herbs are often just as evil as the large corporations that spill oil

> in the ocean.



You got that right. ;) If you haven't seen it yet, check out the movie,

"Medicine Man". (1990'ies film)



> Oh yes it's completely crazy, but they know people will shell out the

> $$$ for it. Americans dont like to do for themselves for the most

> part; we like clean pretty packages of pre mixed goodies. The even

> crazier reality, is that when you purchase herbs off of the shelf, no

> matter what it says on the label, it could be anything, because herbal

> medicine is not regulated here like it is in europe.



Good points!



> In fact, as far

> as st. john's wort is concerned, I have been advised by a professional

> in the herbal field not to purchase st. john's wort unless it is from

> germany, because the hypericum content is regulated and standardized.



Interesting.



> I paid 25 bucks for a tincture made in germany. I cant afford health

> insurance, I also cant afford to drop a 100 bucks every two weeks at

> my local health food store for the herbs i need.



I pay $25 for music cds from germany, but there's no way I'm going to

shell out that much for 1 tincture. ;) Not when I can get the bottles

for .99 (or less in bulk) and only pay for the price of the Vodka to

make the tincture (being as I grow (almost) all the herbs I use).



> I have never seen the red, does it look like the white? The white is

> everywhere along the coast along with the st. john's wort ;-), big

> patches and in some case I have seen fields.



The only difference is in that the flowers are red. ;) However, i've

read a few books which state that the red variety are the strongest

medicinally. I myself am not sure on this.



> I wish I had a yard! We have a small balcony I grow provence lavender,

> white sage, pennyroyal, greek orgeno, lemon thyme, rue and jasmine.



:) The combo must smell pretty nice. 



> I just moved here a couple of months ago, so it looks like the

> poppyfields out of "the wizard of oz" to me, ;-)



Heh.



> I would say keep up the good work Val, you did good by speaking up

> about this. "Newbies" to the joys of an herbal lifestyle should be

> well informed and this is an important issue.



Thank ya.



-Val

---=-

"What shadows we are, and what shadows we pursue."

--Edmund Burke, 1780



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>I found what I think is a species of hypericum growing near the coast,

>on roadsides.

>

>It smells like the capsules of ground st. john's that I have, and it

>looks exactly like the pictures i have found in books and on the net,

>with the exception that it was a big bush (hypericum densiflorum?)

>

>when i squeeze the buds i notice a slight reddishness on the flower

>buds, but not on the leaves like preforatum. The smell is pretty

>strong, and sweet.  this is my first time trying to wildcraft this

>herb, i hope i picked the right thing, i went out armed with pictures

>and really checked it out on the net. any advice?



Advice:



1. Check the leaves. They should have little dots on them that are see-thru

sorta.



2. Leave a few flowering tops wherever you pick so there will be some seeds for

later.



3. Have fun!



Belinda



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>>when i squeeze the buds i notice a slight reddishness on the flower

>>buds, but not on the leaves like preforatum. The smell is pretty

>>strong, and sweet.  this is my first time trying to wildcraft this

>>herb, i hope i picked the right thing, i went out armed with pictures

>>and really checked it out on the net. any advice?

>

>Advice:

>

>1. Check the leaves. They should have little dots on them that are see-thru

>sorta.

>

>2. Leave a few flowering tops wherever you pick so there will be some seeds for

>later.

>

>3. Have fun!

>

>Belinda



I am now  sure I got the right thing!  I let the plants wilt a little

bit and noticed dark spots appearing which had a red "oily" matter.

The oil was so abundant it left red marks on the paper towels I had it

sitting on. 



The herbal corporations (which are not regulated with standardization

like they are in Europe) sell their "best" tinctures for 20 bucks or

more. I bought a pint of bacardi 151 and am steeping what I picked

(its been about 3 days now and the liquor is now a nice rosy color).

I have enough extract to fill about 7 of those tiny tincture bottles!

Enough St. John's Wort extract to last about 6 months, (and yes, there

are miles of fields growing along the coast, so I'm sure there wont be

a problem with regrowth next summer.)



Jezzie



*New Age* is really just a nice way of saying *Spiritual Mafia*.



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  Herbs are are used for many things.  What herbs  are suitable for  diets

or weight control 





 Cheers

    

              Keith



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> Herbs are are used for many things.  What herbs  are suitable for  diets

>or weight control 

>

>

> Cheers

>    

>              Keith



Chickweed is said to aid in weight loss tho it might just be water loss. Also

the harvesting of weeds is great, no time to eat and you get exercise!



Belinda



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To respond to the responses to my posting...



I do not advocate wholesale slaughter of insects. The choice to KILL rests

with each person.



Ivory soap (NOT dishwashing detergent) is harmless when used as directed,

to plants, animals,

and microorganisms.



However, if you use soap to clease your skin, you remove the 'acid mantle'

which protects against infection/invasion. Rub 5% cider vinegar onto skin

after bathing to restore skin acidity, which has been neutralized by

alkaline SOAP.



I am well aware that many individuals identify closely with the wellfare of

every living thing.



If we make choices, moral decisions are always involved. Such decisions are

the domain of the individual. 



Peace, love, and healthy microflora...



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance



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>Motherwort is also wonderful for menopausal hotflashes.   Susun Weed, in her

>book, The Menopausal Years, the Wise Woman Way, mentions that it is her

>favorite remedy.   When I first started meno, it was the ONLY thing that

>helped me.

>

>You can buy the tincture already made too.

>

>Evelyn

>

>



Yep!  I have found her to be a wonderful help with my occasional heat flashes.

The tincture is easy to make tho Evelyn, ever tried?



Belinda



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From: "Adrian Zannin" <adrian@pc-assistance.com>

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Subject: Blood pressuer

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Anyone have suggestions for something to control high blood pressure?

Whatever is recommended is intended to be used in conjunction with a general

exercise program...











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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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Diet and nutrition changes are the first and foremost in treatment.=20

You can try garlic, hawthorn berries, mistletoe, rauwolfia, and =

periwinkle. Cayenne mixed with vegetable juices is a good way to lower =

high blood pressure also. Detoxification using a fasting program is =

suggested, because detoxifying helps to cleanse the body of toxins which =

may be causing it.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 slade or kay henson In article <6n5vql$etc$

1@news2.alpha.net>, slade or kay henson <nohow-

noway@nowhere.com> writes

>Diet and nutrition changes are the first and foremost in treatment. 

>You can try garlic, hawthorn berries, mistletoe, rauwolfia, and periwinkle. 

>Cayenne mixed with vegetable juices is a good way to lower high blood 

>pressure also. Detoxification using a fasting program is suggested, 

>because detoxifying helps to cleanse the body of toxins which may be 

>causing it.

>

Hello 



Which toxins may be causing high blood pressure? I notice raised

blood pressure immediately after eating a main meal. The

presence of a hangover causes blood pressure to be on the low

side of normal (in me, at least).



FWIW, I eat a lot of cayenne peppers, both fresh and in chilli

powder, probably many times more than the average white

english person, yet my bp remains high (when I haven't a

hangover)



To reply via email please use news-reply at i-zone dot demon dot co dot

uk. Hitting 'reply-to' will cause it to bounce on the SMTP envelope. 

You have spammers and email harvesters to thank for this. Sorry.



From vandy@avana.net Tue Jun 30 21:32:31 1998

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On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:05:05 -0400, "Adrian Zannin"

<adrian@pc-assistance.com> wrote:



>Anyone have suggestions for something to control high blood pressure?

>Whatever is recommended is intended to be used in conjunction with a general

>exercise program...



It was garlic added to the diet, now some say garlic has no affect on

blood pressure.  All I know is that I lost a lot of weight, ate a lot

of garlic and onion and went through a pregnancy with better blood

pressure than the exercise fanatic of nurse who had to take my

pressures at each visit.  The nurse became a friend but felt it unfair

that I didn't exercise to sweat and still had very good blood

pressure.  Of course when the nurse and doctor finally realized I was

not kidding about shearing sheep, they forbid shearing until the

pregnancy was over for several months and started to understand that I

lead a very active life style.  I was a source of humor in that

medical office. 



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA



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Subject: Green Magma

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Anyone care to comment on this product?  (I have no association with it...

was reading the bottle and sounds interesting, but since I'm somewhat new to

all this, I really don't know if it is true or not...)









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Is that the dried barley powder? As I recall it's pretty expensive. I think

you'd get a lot more benefit by drinking a daily ounce or two of fresh

wheatgrass juice.





Adrian Zannin wrote in message <6n5fgj$hq0$1@news6.ispnews.com>...

>Anyone care to comment on this product?  (I have no association with it...

>was reading the bottle and sounds interesting, but since I'm somewhat new to

>all this, I really don't know if it is true or not...)









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If certain foods give you gas, try a teaspoon of the Green Magma in water

before you eat.  I used to do  this before eating beans and it worked great

for me!

-- 

Mike

Reply to: freelandm@ROUNDFILE.email.msn.com

Remove the "ROUNDFILE" in the return address.

Sorry for the inconvenience.



Adrian Zannin <adrian@pc-assistance.com> wrote in article

<6n5fgj$hq0$1@news6.ispnews.com>...

> Anyone care to comment on this product?  (I have no association with

it...

> was reading the bottle and sounds interesting, but since I'm somewhat new

to

> all this, I really don't know if it is true or not...)

> 

> 

> 

> 



From turf@mindspring.com Sun Jun 28 16:54:19 1998

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A regimen from my web page at

http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

A non commerical web site.



As stated in the intro of the web page, never forgo seeing an MD when

ill.  Regimens given are suggestions for further research, and are

only what I would do if I had the malady.  Do not take supplements for

serious disorders except under the supervision of a health care

professional.  



====== Artherosclerosis, Cholesterol, High Blood Pressure ======



High potency multivitamin which includes 400IU vitamin E, 

25000IU beta carotene / vitamin A activity, 70-200mcg selenium 

and chromium, and 100% RDA or more biotin and folic acid.



Calcium Magnesium supplement of preferably 1:1 ratio cal:mag 

like Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or Country Life Calcium Magnesium 

Potassium for cleansing, or lower magnesium content combination

like Solaray Calcium Magnesium or Country Life Calcium 

Magnesium Complex for maintenance.



Vitamin C



Vitamin E



Flax oil



Choline inositol supplement



Grape seed extract, CoQ10, alpha lipoic acid, Biochem Chol-less 

(or other supplement advertised to lower cholesterol), Now 

Heart Support Factors, Biochem Circu-Support, Biochem Press-Lo, 

or other supplement advertised to assist circulation and heart 

function.



============================================================



First, see Organ and Body cleansing and perform kidney and 

liver cleansing regimens if indicated.  Follow potassium/sodium 

suggestions in Diet and Supplement section.



See Barry Sear's "The Zone" and follow at least loosely, eating 

adequate protein and (good) fats at every meal and snack while 

avoiding starches, sugars, and especially hydrogenated oils and 

trans fats (found in processed and fried foods and margarine.) 

This is also the best diet to lose weight and improve energy. 

Also, see D'Adamo's "Eat Right For Your Type" and follow 

suggestions based on blood type.  In the meantime, avoid wheat 

products, plus potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant, and other 

nightshade vegetables.



Take 1T flax oil daily.  Instead of this, can take Balanced 

blend EFA oil or EPA/DHA fish oil capsules as directed.  Eat 

raw source of oil daily, like 3T or so almonds, sushi (with 

adequate wasabi and ginger only), 1T walnuts, 1T flax seeds, 

etc.  For general use buy Smart Balance, a margarine-type 

product which contains equal amounts of saturated, 

polyunsaturated, and monounsaturated oils which are not 

hydrogenated.  This product is clinically proven to improve 

cholesterol levels.  Spectrum makes a similar product available 

in health food stores.  See Diet and Supplement section on Fats 

and Oils for more information on this topic.  



Increase amount of onions, garlic, and ginger eaten.  Try to 

eat one or more at least once per day, or take garlic 

supplement.  Increase amount of raw or lightly cooked 

vegetables eaten.



Eat one or two eggs, YES, eggs, two or more times per week.  

Cook in small amount of butter or Smart Balance, or Pam-type 

spray.  Use Eggland's Best or free-range (cage free) eggs if 

possible.  Do NOT eat eggs unless consuming adequate vitamins 

and minerals (taking multivitamin and cal-mag daily, e.g.)  

Instead of eggs, yeast or liver (supplement or meat) can be 

used.  Use liver in moderation since, like eggs, it is a rich 

source of beneficial vitamins (especially lipotropics) and 

minerals, but unlike eggs, it can be polluted with too many 

toxic metals.  Cook all meat thoroughly.  See section on eggs 

in Diet and Supplements for more information.



Eat oatmeal two or more times per week.  Preferably eat with 

protein and fat source like raw almonds (or almond meal) or 

well-cooked eggs.



Daily, take a good multivitamin.  Use a cal-mag supplement like 

Solaray Calcium Magnesium enough to provide at least 100% RDA 

calcium and 125% or more magnesium with multivitamin.  Use 3g 

or more vitamin C per day in divided doses, using less or 

smaller doses if it causes stomach upset or diarrhea.  Use an 

extra 400IU vitamin E in addition to the multivitamin if 

desired, enough to get 400-800IU vitamin E total daily.



If serum cholesterol or blood pressure is still high after 

performing kidney and liver regimens, for one or two months, 

take a choline/inositol supplement and, if desired, a 

supplement advertised to lower cholesterol, like Biochem 

Chol-Less, Cholestin, etc, or one advertised to lower blood 

pressure, like Now Heart Support or Biochem Circu-Support 

Factors or Press-Lo.  Get an extra 1000mg or more each choline 

and inositol total from all sources.  For one or two months, 

also take a lecithin supplement as directed, preferably one 

with high phosphatydalcholine content, if atherosclerosis is 

present.



Limit or eliminate caffeine consumption.  Do not use 

decaffeinated coffee.  Green tea provides some caffeine and can 

be used in moderation as coffee substitute since it may provide 

enough benefits to outweigh caffeine detriments.



For best results, use premium antioxidant as directed.  CoQ10, 

alpha lipoic acid, and/or grape seed extracts are all good.  

For grape seed extract, use Activin process type, as found in 

Natrol, Nature's Life, and Bronson products.  Definitely use 

one or more of these if the tolerance to vitamin C is low.  

Definitely use CoQ10 if there have been previous problems 

requiring conventional medicine intervention.





Alternative Theory of heart and circulation disorders



Some nutrients like vitamin E, CoQ10, and others allow the 

blood to carry more oxygen or the organs to use it more 

efficiently.  When it cannot carry enough, due to nutrient 

deficiency, the heart must work harder to provide the necessary 

oxygen to organs.  If it works too hard for too long, it 

enlarges, which, while desirable for many muscles in the body, 

is not for the heart since it can cause valves to not work as 

well. 



Basic building blocks form tissues in the body like blood 

vessels, organs, skin, etc.  When there are sufficient 

nutrients, like vitamins (especially antioxidants) and 

minerals, essential fatty acids (EFAs), and amino acids (from 

protein), this "ground substance" can be made properly, strong,  

and flexible.  



Fat and cholesterol are used in the construction of most body 

cells.  If there are insufficient EFAs or antioxidants the 

cells and hence their structures are weak.  A major factor is 

the presence of trans fatty acids (in fried foods and 

margarine) and hydrogenated oils (in margarine and most 

processed foods), which are much worse than most saturated 

fats, whose short chain acids can be used more effectively.  

Unnatural fats and their structures are not typical of EFAs.  

If this is all that is available, the body will attempt to use 

them as it does any fat in constructing ground substance.  

However, the resulting structure will be weak, especially if 

there is a lack of antioxidants (see Erasmus' "Fats and Oils" 

or any biochemical book on fats.)  



When any tissue in the body is weak, it will typically 

compensate by making more of it.  In blood vessels, cholesterol 

or other fatty deposits are typically used to add thickness to 

the vessel walls.  This is going for short term benefits of 

preventing the vessels from breaking from being too weak to 

contain the pressure, at the expense of the long term detriment 

of clogging the vessels with these deposits and making the 

heart work harder.  Clogged vessels are therefore mostly a 

symptom of nutrient defiency or too much harmful fat in the 

diet.



High serum cholesterol levels are considered an indicator of 

circulation and therefore heart disorder by conventional 

medicine.  This is correct.  However, it is NOT the problem.  

It is the (proper) response to the problem.   It is there to 

strengthen vessel walls.  Reducing it by inhibiting the liver's 

ability to produce cholesterol is a poor, if not ridiculous, 

way to treat it.



These processes have been known by biochemists and many 

alternative health practitioners for decades.  It is slowly 

starting to seep into conventional medicine.  If I had a doctor 

who still, despite all the evidence, recommended hydrogenated 

margarine over butter and thought supplementation of 

antioxidants like vitamin E was not necessary to recover from 

circulation disorders, I would find a more competent MD.



Another major factor in blood pressure and therefore heart 

disorder, is the function of the kidneys.  They remove metabolic 

products and other toxins from the blood.  If they are 

"clogged" with stones and crystals, the heart must work harder 

to push the blood through them.  The heart gets bigger. 

Pressure goes up.  Cleaning the kidneys of these deposits has 

long been recognized as a crucial exercise in treating heart 

and circulation disorders by natural healers.  Supplements like 

magnesium, potassium, vitamins (like B6), and herbs are usually 

used to help wash out the kidneys.  Any diuretic, or even 

drinking plenty of water, will help clean them.  Minerals such 

as magnesium and potassium citrates are among the most 

effective, especially when combined with vitamins such as B6.  

Some minerals, like calcium carbonate, may contribute to the 

problem, if taken without adequate magnesium.  



Caffeine causes blood vessels to constrict and the heart to 

work harder to pump against the increased pressure.  Cigarette 

smoking is a double whammy.  It decreases oxygenation of the 

blood while constricting blood vessels.



Another factor in some heart problems is infection, especially 

coming from the mouth, under root canals or other dental work, 

by staph aureus bacteria.  If there is improperly done dental 

work in the mouth causing problems, have it repaired.  I first 

read about this in a Hulda Clark book published in 1985.  Even 

conventional medical researchers have recently gotten an 

inkling of this, I just read.  This is an unprecedented advance 

in conventional medicine since it usually takes about 50 years 

after described by natural health advocates for conventional 

medicine to also discover the true cause and effect 

relationship of a malady. 



Clark also mentions toxins like cobalt, found in blue-colored 

food, detergent, and other products, contributing to heart 

disease.  It is prudent to avoid these.  She states that dog 

heartworm and loa loa (which is not a problem in the US 

according to conventional medicine) as contributing to or 

causing some cases of heart disease.



I used to live in south Georgia (USA) long before I was 

interested in alternative health matters.  The heartworm 

epidemic in animals was just becoming apparent and all my dogs 

were on heartworm preventative medication from the vet.  

However, the dog which lived next door was not, got heartworms, 

and eventually died.  During this time, I developed an 

occasional acute pain directly behind the sternum.  I was under 

30 years old at the time, ate very well, had a strong heart, 

and exercised a _great_ deal.  An MD said there was nothing wrong 

with me.  But, I wondered if I could have an infection and 

why humans were not on the same kind of preventative medication 

since we get bitten by mosquitoes (the vector) much more than 

dogs.



Over a decade later, still with the occassional pang in my 

chest, I read Clark's statements that heartworm could indeed 

infect humans (but not usually cause a serious problem) and the 

warning signal was an occassional pain directly behind the 

sternum.  After a few days of antiparasitics, I never had the 

pain again.





Barry Sear's Zone diet was designed by him originally to combat 

heart disease.  It is a balanced diet, ensuring adequate 

protein and fat at every meal and snack.  It regulates 

prostaglandin production as well as controls blood sugar 

levels.  These effects seem very beneficial for heart 

disorders.  It is highly recommended to follow at least loosely 

his diet suggestions.  This will elevate the production of the 

two "good" prostaglandins in the body while inhibiting the 

major "bad" one.  Aspirin works well to prevent problems with 

some heart patients, probably by decreasing production of _all_ 

prostaglandins.  Of course, it would be much better to only 

inhibit the bad one and let the others be or improve them.  In 

severe cases, though, there is so much imbalance between bad 

and good prostaglandins that it is better to inhibit all of 

them from forming than to nothing, if one is ignorant of how to 

effect the best balance.









From John_Rosenberg@email.msn.com Sun Jun 28 20:14:33 1998

From: "John C. Rosenberg" <John_Rosenberg@email.msn.com>

Subject: Helpful herbal depression &/or anxiety treatments

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Any suggestions? I would prefer to stay away from, say, benzos; but I get

horrible panic attacks and so on.







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"John C. Rosenberg" <John_Rosenberg@email.msn.com> wrote:



>Any suggestions? I would prefer to stay away from, say, benzos; but I get

>horrible panic attacks and so on.



  Smallish doses of the following herbs might help:

Valerian root (and yes it's supposed to smell that way)

Linden flower (tila or tilia)

Kava root



From sunmachin@aol.com Mon Jun 29 16:41:51 1998

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Saint John's Wart as well.  

Wild Yam Root, for hormonal imbalances. 



Eat more carbohydrates.  It promotes the body's natural manufacture of

serotonin.  



Depression can be really bad. Believe me, I know.  Sometimes it's really very

hard to get through the day but things do get better. You know that.   No

matter what you do today, the sun will always shine tomorrow and this life will

go on. 



Good luck,  know that you are not alone. 



From john.mcadam@mail.telepac.pt Sun Jun 28 22:55:19 1998

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From: john.mcadam@mail.telepac.pt (John McAdam)

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Subject: Where can I buy bulk Hypericum androsaemum leaves?

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I wish to buy bulk Hypericum androsaemum leaves. If you have them

for sale or know who does please let me know by email at

	John.McAdam@mail.telepac.pt

thanks.



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>I wish to buy bulk Hypericum androsaemum leaves. If you have them

>for sale or know who does please let me know by email at

>	John.McAdam@mail.telepac.pt

>thanks.



What is it?



Belinda



From info@fashionnite.com Mon Jun 29 07:38:16 1998

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From: info@fashionnite.com (Long Win)

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            Ginkgo biloba is one of the world's oldest living tree

species, believed to have survived for 200 million  years. Individual

trees have lived 1000 years. Ginkgo trees are tall hardy trees, highly

resistant to pollutants and pests with distinctive fan-shaped leaves.

Ginkgo is considered a sacred tree by the Chinese  and has been used

in Oriental Medicine since ancient times for respiratory ailments and

for brain function. Gingko has a long history of use in Chinese

herbalism. Ginkgo seed is used in treatment for asthma, chronic

bronchitis, spermatorrhea, leukorrhea, and nebulous urine. Ginkgo leaf

is used in treatment for coronary heart disease and angina pectoris. 



              Ginkgo Biloba Extract is is an herbal supplement widely

used in Europe to improve memory and cognitive function and also in

the treatment of intermittant claudication, a vascular constriction

disorder of  the lower legs that results in calf pain upon exertion.

It is also used in the treatment of tinnitus. 



              According to a review of published studies (Varo Tyler,

PhD, The Honest Herbal, 1993) Ginkgo biloba appears to be effective in

treating ailments associated with decreased cerebral blood flow,

particularly in older individuals. Ginkgo enhances blood flow to the

brain by promoting vasodilation and improving blood flow in both the

arteries and capillaries. For the elderly, Ginkgo may improve

concentration and memory, absent-mindedness, headaches, and tinnitus

(ringing in the ears). It may also aid leg circulation.

              A recent article published in the Journal of the

American Medical Association confirms that Ginkgo Biloba Extract is an

important new tool in treating Memory Loss and Dementia (Journal of

the American Medical Association, October 22/29, 1997-Vol 278:

1327-1332.) 



http://www.china-guide.com/



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I wonder which plant many of you are discussing.

I have searched to find Stevia in my books, with no result.

It would be very nice if somebody could tell me the botanical name.

May be it is not growing here in Norway, but I am curious.....



Thanks in advance!



Hege.



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Stevia rebaudiana. This herb is used most often as a sweetner.

-tab



Helga-Elise Haugestad wrote:



> I wonder which plant many of you are discussing.

> I have searched to find Stevia in my books, with no result.

> It would be very nice if somebody could tell me the botanical name.

> May be it is not growing here in Norway, but I am curious.....

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Hege.









From rbinger@msn.com Mon Jun 29 10:09:18 1998

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Does anyone know of successful treament of K-9 osteosacoma using herbs



Bob Binger

rbinger@msn.com









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   Help. I am looking to purchase a reliable and affordable herb

dehydrator. Does anyone

know of any suppliers in the Toronto, Ontario area?



    Any help would be greatly appreciated.     Eagle Times







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I can't help you with your specific question but I can tell you my experience

with a dehydrator.  It was a mess!!!!! I bought a cheap number from Caldors

because I got on the dried fruit kick.  



Apples came out half dried and half not. They tasted like warped fruit that

stayed out in the sun too long. Bananas did not get "chippy". I was trying for

banana chips.  



After all of these attempts along with various other fruits,  I gave up.  



So my advice is to go for quality and spend some bucks.  I still eat a lot of

dried fruits that I just buy from the store.  I found this to be easier. 



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I've a snackmaster 2400 and I love it!! I believe that you could go to

any online website (does excaliburs have one? I hear they are also very

good.) and order with a credit card.

eliza





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Eagle Times wrote in message <35975F71.1C4E8549@sprint.ca>...

>   Help. I am looking to purchase a reliable and affordable herb

>dehydrator. Does anyone

>know of any suppliers in the Toronto, Ontario area?

>

>    Any help would be greatly appreciated.     Eagle Times

>





Lee Valley Tools sells these units. They should have a store or two in the

Toronto area.







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Newly written for my web page at

http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/

A non-commerical web site.



Vitamixer Tips



A Vitamixer is an expensive blender.  It is usually used to 

emulsify fruits and veggies to make a thick "shake."  Unlike 

typical juicers, there is no pulp produced, it's all ground 

into the shake, so there's little mess and all the benefits of 

consuming the pulp, which may be rich in nutrients (and 

certainly fiber).  Ice or water must usually be added in making 

fruit and veggie drinks since it would otherwise be too thick 

to drink.  It heats up what is being ground, a negligible 

amount if kept under 60 seconds or so, but in 8 minutes it will 

make hot soup.



Big problem with the Vitamixer is noise.  It is the same unit 

used in those "smoothie" shops that when they first opened, 

were unbearably loud places.  Then, they started encasing them 

in plexiglass and wood cabinets to contain the noise, which 

helped a great deal.  I have not seen any of these cabinets for 

sale - perhaps I need to look in a trade mag, but they look 

easy enough to make.  If a cabinet is not used, get good ear 

plugs or a gun muffler headset.



The top of the line model lists for (I think) $650, but they 

always give you a $200 discount.  And all it is is a 1 hp 

blender.  But, it is so powerful, it can grind something like 

whole carrots to such a fine slurry (with some water) that they 

can be drunk.  It supposedly even breaks down cell walls and 

releases some nutrients normally unavailable to the body.



For $450, you get pitchers for wet and dry grinding.  With the 

dry pitcher, grains can be ground to pastry-fine flour (but 

it's a pain to do anything but the smallest amounts.)   It can 

make nut butter, but this destroys it faster than anything - 

all the people who I have seen reporting problems use them to 

make nut butters.



I got mine to grind herbs.  Having destroyed three Cuisinarts 

and two coffee grinders making powders for encapsulation out of 

barks, roots, seeds, etc, I figured $450 was not a bad price 

if it could do this long term without failing.  



In this regard, it has been excellent.  It hardly slows down 

when tasked with small amounts of the hardest roots or seeds.  

I have been very pleased with its performance.  



A new use I came up with for the device was with using the wet 

pitcher to make instant herb tinctures.  No more waiting 2 or 

more weeks while the herbs macerate.  Have a tincture in 5 

minutes! This method works best with herbs whose useful 

components can be dissolved in alcohol.  The product produced 

usually tastes so strong that it is probably closer to an 

extract and not a tincture.



Fill wet pitcher with herb (powdered in the dry pitcher if 

necessary to get the volume down).  Cover with vodka.  Grind 

for 60 seconds or so, or until the mixture just starts to heat 

up.  For extracting components impervious to heat, longer grind 

times can be used.  Keep adding vodka if necessary to form 

"funnel" so it will be perfectly smooth.  Mucilagenous or 

fibrous herbs will expand and need a lot of vodka.



After grinding, squeeze through cheesecloth (or a clean cotton 

fabric like t-shirt material.)  To futher clarify if desired, 

drip through coffee filter.  When the herb is ground perfectly 

fine, it will quickly clog a coffee filter and require much 

prodding to get the stuff through.



This method can also be used to make non-alcoholic tinctures.  

Use a mix of 50% water, 50% vegetable glycerin instead of 

vodka.  The product will not be clear.  It will also be very 

difficult to strain since the veg glycerin will make it thick 

and it won't strain through cloth without a _lot_ of pressure.









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> Hi, my name is Daniel I am involved with a very large company that

>manufactures pharmaceutical type products. Enrich international is a 21 year

>old $300 million dollar multinational corporation (debt free) with a major

>presence on the internet. They offer a line of over 400 100% high quality

>natural remedies to help with almost any illness or health problem. Hundreds

>of doctors are already prescribing these products on a daily basis. I use

>their products on a regular basis and they really work!  I liked the results

>so much that I went so far as to become an independent distributor for them.

>I created a web site to give anyone online a chance to discover what I

>discovered.  The web site is still under some construction, but being updated

>daily and will soon be completed (its about 90% done). The site is a good

>opportunity to purchase outstanding products that will enhance every aspect

>of your life and (if you want) allow you the chance to earn your own money

>and increase your wealth by becoming a distributor and creating your own home

>business, but that isoptional. Come check out my web site at:

>





Hi Daniel,



You got sucked in like thousands of other Unrich distributors. And you aren't

the least bit qualified to tell us if the products work or not.



That's the problem with you MLM types. You're extremely gullible. You believe

all the crap that your Unrich upline feeds you. In mere hours, you think you're

health experts, and that Unrich can save the world. And you expect the rest of

the world to follow suit.



The rest of the world is wise to the MLM scam and knows that you can get higher

quality herbs at any herb pharmacy or health food store for a lot less money.







From mpritche@vlinsvr.vsla.edu Mon Jun 29 20:47:19 1998

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Any info on the use of glucosamines to help keep bones strong? In

what form is it taken and where can it be found?  Thanks --







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I don't have any info on them but I see them all the time in the local

pharmacy...they're usually on the same shelf as the vitamins.  Ask your

pharmacist for information about them.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From tmatth@netcom.ca Tue Jun 30 01:56:33 1998

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From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

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Marge Pritchett wrote:

> 

> Any info on the use of glucosamines to help keep bones strong? In

> what form is it taken and where can it be found?  Thanks --



They aren't used for keeping bones strong. They are part of the building

materail of joints and cartilage. Therefore, they are helpful for

repairing joint injuries, and for preventing/repairing some degenerative

joint conditions. The Life Extension Foundation has them available in at

least two products and also sells chondroitin sulfate which has similar

benefits.



Soups made from boiled animal joints may give some of the same benefits.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-841-5433 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE - The ultimate source for new

health and medical findings from around the world.



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mpritche@vlinsvr.vsla.edu (Marge Pritchett) wrote:



>Any info on the use of glucosamines to help keep bones strong?



To keep bones strong, ensure adequate minerals and 

antioxidants.   Glucosamine is typically for arthritis and connective

tissue disorder.  Best deal I have seen for glucosamine sulfate is

Bluebonnet GSX, which is 500mg per capsule with vitamin C,

minerals, and herbs (I think).  Use the sulfate type.  Don't

use GS precursors since they are typically the same price.



There's a complete arthritis regimen on my web page

at http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/ in the maladies section.

I don't sell anything.



turf





From eagletimes@sprint.ca Mon Jun 29 22:17:09 1998

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   Regarding the Oven or Microwave drying of Herbs, is their anyone

aware of any pertinent literature on technique using these methods.



Hope to hear from you,     Eagle Times





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>   Regarding the Oven or Microwave drying of Herbs, is their anyone

>aware of any pertinent literature on technique using these methods.

>

>Hope to hear from you,     Eagle Times



Why are you in such a hurry to ruin perfectly good plant material?



Belinda



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From: Bluesman <sax50man@aol.com>

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Is there an herb which can aid in reversing the early stages of

vitiligo?





From turf@mindspring.com Tue Jun 30 05:56:27 1998

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Bluesman <sax50man@aol.com> wrote:



>Is there an herb which can aid in reversing the early stages of

>vitiligo?



No herbs of which I am aware.  B vitamins, the widest spectrum

you can find with extra PABA and pantothenic acid.  Merely

eating yogurt may help a great deal (intesinal flora produce

B vitamins).



This is the regimen I would use:



Good multivitamin like Solaray VegLife Multi or Country Life

Daily Two or Twinlab Daily Two.



250 - 500mg pantothenic acid per day for up to one month



1000mg PABA per day for up to one month



Also, crush a PABA tablet fine, mix with a little water, 

and apply liquid once or more daily topically.



Eat adequate protein and good fats.  



If the condition is not mostly gone at two weeks or completely

gone at one month, write back.  If money is short, omit multivitamin

and eat 1/2 lb liver (any type) three times a week and brewer's yeast

(3T) three time a week.



turf





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My Mom began experiencing numbness in her feet 15 years ago.  It has since

advanced to her legs, hands and face.  She is 57 years old.  Her neurologist

has yet to find the problem.



Does anyone have any suggestions?





Rach



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From: "stevie" <smitch@cei.net>

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I recently started taking vital-18 for weight loss. Spirulena and Korean

Ginseng are supposed to be the main ingredients. Has anyone heard of this or

have any experience with it? How does it work?







From shannon@yoga.com Tue Jun 30 04:59:06 1998

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From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

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Subject: Re: Allergy to cats--herbal help???

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>bluDragon wrote:

>> 

>> Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

>> allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like

>> to avoid MD, allergists, shots, etc., etc.

>> 

>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.

>> 

>> --

>> bluDragon }:=8)

>> AOL IM "bludraagon"

Some take homeopathic allium cepa in pill form. It is good if symptoms

are like what you get when peeling onions. Red, watery eyes, etc.

Shannon B.



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com



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It sounds to me like you want to have your cake and eat it, too. Anything you

are allergic to should be avoided if you want to be free of symptoms. Period.

No debate.

My herbal advice would depend on your symptoms. Do you get rashes? Rhinitis?

Red, itchy eyes? Sneezing? Asthma?

Please email me with a description of how you feel, and I'll do my best to try

and help.



Dana



Shannon Brophy skrev:



> >bluDragon wrote:

> >>

> >> Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

> >> allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like

> >> to avoid MD, allergists, shots, etc., etc.

> >>

> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated.

> >>

> >> --

> >> bluDragon }:=8)

> >> AOL IM "bludraagon"

> Some take homeopathic allium cepa in pill form. It is good if symptoms

> are like what you get when peeling onions. Red, watery eyes, etc.

> Shannon B.

>

> _____________________________________________________________________

>  For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing

>                or to browse Holistic Products to order

>       visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com







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Does anyone know if there is any interaction between kava kava and beta

blockers for high blood pressure? I've read that kava should not be taken

with any kind of tranquilizer. The beta blocker is not a tranquilizer but it

does slow heart rate so I'm wondering if the kava could cause an adverse

reaction with it. Any information would be appreciated. thank you - please

reply by email if possible.



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In article <6n9m0i$5u9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, daphne_moon@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> Does anyone know if there is any interaction between kava kava and beta

> blockers for high blood pressure? I've read that kava should not be taken

> with any kind of tranquilizer. The beta blocker is not a tranquilizer but it

> does slow heart rate so I'm wondering if the kava could cause an adverse

> reaction with it. Any information would be appreciated. thank you - please

> reply by email if possible.

> 

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No one can tell you what you should or should not take Kava with, the

studys haven't been done. If you are on other meds you need to speak with

your doctor, who is bound to know absolutely nothing about Kava, further

making my point.



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I have read that kava should not be taken with any type of tranquilizer. I

take a beta blocker for high blood pressure and was wondering if anyone knows

of adverse reactions between kava and beta blockers. The beta blocker is not

a tranquilizer but it does slow heart rate. I would appreciate any

information regarding the safety of taking kava with beta blockers. Thank you

- daphne



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From shin2@worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 30 17:15:52 1998

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I know this isn't a herb, and I apologize if this is an inappropriate

place to post.  But has anyone tried this, and does it live up to all

the claims made for it?



From catherine.fenner@reporters.net Tue Jun 30 20:48:00 1998

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like to take some herbs to minimize nausea and diarrhea.  His doctor is =

open to this but would like to know what herbs he's chosen and why.



FIL has chronic stomach/esophagus problems that make ginger =

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From ???@??? Tue Jun 30 20:55:32 1998

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Hello!



My name is Tracy and I've just started growing herbs, in pots in my kitchen.

I am still very new at this, so I would greatly appreciate any general

advice any of you can give me on when to pick them.  I would also like to

know how to use their scents in candles, as I would like to learn to make

candles as well.  Currently, I am growing the basics -- coriander, rosemary,

peppermint, lavender, lemon balm, catnip, and chives.



Thank you for your help!







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What is shepard's puse and what does it do???  Is it good to eat???







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Stardanser skrev:



> What is shepard's puse and what does it do???  Is it good to eat???



Fresh, it tastes mustardy - but it is a powerful astringent, diuretic,

and emetic.Will stop bleedings, ease varicose veins if applied as a

poultice, and a tea will greatly help cure bladder infections.

Don't eat as a veg. Use it as a spice, and save it for the day you get

diarrhoea or a sore bladder, or your mother complains about her varicose

veins troubling her in hot weather.



Blessings,



Dana





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Is there anything I can give my husband for insomnia....chamomile tea

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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:15:56 -0400, "Stardanser" <jugs2@gte.net>

wrote:



>Is there anything I can give my husband for insomnia....chamomile tea

>doesn't work on him

>

There are some herbal teas like valarian, lavender, hops, california

poppy, catnip, and scullcap along with passion flower which could

help. They are nervines and have a sedative effect. Go to Roots &

Wings, the natural healing section for herbal sleep remedies.

http://www.yoga.com/raw/healing/info/sleep.htm

will get you there.

Best wishes,

Shannon B.



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